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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, today the second trial got started for real. We've

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<v Speaker 2>been listening for months about various motions to dismiss and

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<v Speaker 2>appeals on how the first trial ended. It was officially

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<v Speaker 2>a hung jury, although some of the jurors claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>they had agreed while seated as a jury that went

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up to the US Supreme Court, went

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<v Speaker 2>through the Court of Appeals here in Massachusetts, but to

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<v Speaker 2>no avail, and so Karen Reid now faces a second

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<v Speaker 2>trial for three charges, fully leave the scene of an accident, manslaughter,

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<v Speaker 2>and murdering the second degree. So a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have opinions on this case, and I thought this is

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<v Speaker 2>the night when we could really talk about this from

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<v Speaker 2>whatever perspective you want fairness obviously, there are things that

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<v Speaker 2>all of us can agree upon, whatever side of the

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<v Speaker 2>divide you stand on, whether you're on the Karen Reid

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<v Speaker 2>side or the prosecution side. We do know that a

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<v Speaker 2>man and Boston police officer lost his life. So that

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<v Speaker 2>is something that I think we as society need need

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out. And the way we figure that out

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<v Speaker 2>is through jury trials and presentation of evidence in courtrooms. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a trial that has not only dominated the

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<v Speaker 2>news here in New England, but once again is a

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<v Speaker 2>national news story and in some respects an international news story.

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<v Speaker 2>I know people in San Diego, California who listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this program who are deeply invested in the trial. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened that that that January morning. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anyone who's listening knows exactly what happened for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>For certain, we all have opinions. I have an opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't view my opinion as a fact. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor and the one of the defense attorneys, Alan Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>begin with their presentation. Now, uh, the prosecutors a fellow

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<v Speaker 2>named Hank Brennan. He's primarily a defense attorney, has made

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<v Speaker 2>his reputation as a defense attorney and was brought in

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<v Speaker 2>as a special prosecutor. He was not involved in the

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<v Speaker 2>first prosecution. He's brought in as a special prosecutor in

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<v Speaker 2>this case. And he made his presentation and unfortunately, the

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<v Speaker 2>audio I'm not sure if he was standing away from

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<v Speaker 2>the microphones, but the audio is is difficult to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do want to play a little bit in

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<v Speaker 2>fairness to him, the audio from Alan Jackson is much better.

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<v Speaker 2>This we're gonna first start off Rob. This again is

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor, Hank Brennan, talking about Karen Reid's actions, in

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<v Speaker 2>which she she discloses to mutual friend that she thinks

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<v Speaker 2>John got hit her boyfriend, John O'Keefe got hit by

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<v Speaker 2>a plow. Again. I wish the audio was better, So

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just play this. This is cut twenty A. Please

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<v Speaker 2>listen carefully, okay. Twenty eight Rob, she got.

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<v Speaker 3>Manslated, calls another purse, Kerry Roberts, a friend of John O'Keeffe.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of those not friends with defendant, but they know

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<v Speaker 3>because they helped raise the kids. When they interacted. She

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<v Speaker 3>had nothing to do with the night before, wasn't at

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<v Speaker 3>the bars, was home with her family. She calls her

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<v Speaker 3>and says, I think John hit by a plow.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he said.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll start with that in.

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<v Speaker 3>Call hospitals. Hear her voice, man, and then he gives

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<v Speaker 3>not a call on a bit of bank and he

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<v Speaker 3>tells me the ban comes.

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<v Speaker 2>To my house.

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<v Speaker 3>I will help you most him and I I don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So that's the prosecutor. I want to play a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of the defense lawyer, Alan Jackson, who was

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<v Speaker 2>the defense lawyer in the first case. He wanted the

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<v Speaker 2>defense lawyers and he he has some some interesting comments here.

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<v Speaker 2>He speaks about this case as definitively as he can

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<v Speaker 2>that basically his argument in this case is made up

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<v Speaker 2>out of whole cloth, and it was an effort to

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<v Speaker 2>convict an innocent woman and to cover up the actual

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances that led to the death of John O'Keefe. Let's start,

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<v Speaker 2>if we can, with cut number twenty seven. Please rob

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<v Speaker 2>cut twenty seven. This is the defense attorney.

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<v Speaker 6>You will learn that John did not have a single

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<v Speaker 6>injury consistent with being.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit by a car.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me say that again. The evidence will establish that

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<v Speaker 6>John did not suffer a single injury on his body

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<v Speaker 6>consistent with having been hit by a car, not one.

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<v Speaker 6>You'll learn that John's torso, his ribs, his chest, his arms,

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<v Speaker 6>all of them. No broken bones, no fractures, no contusions,

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<v Speaker 6>no torn ligaments, no internal injuries, not even a bruise.

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Jackson, he goes what essentially the argument that he

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<v Speaker 2>wants to make is that John O'Keeffe went into the

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<v Speaker 2>home where he was dropped off that night by Karen Reid,

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<v Speaker 2>and that something happened inside the home, and that when

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<v Speaker 2>John O'Keeffe was found, he had what looked like bite

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<v Speaker 2>twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 6>Please, Rob, we'll take one look at these injuries and

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<v Speaker 6>you'll agree with doctor Lafasata. The evidence will show that

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<v Speaker 6>these injuries are from an animal, like a large dog,

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<v Speaker 6>like the large dog that was inside the Albert house

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<v Speaker 6>that night. You'll learn that Brian Albert has actually admitted

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<v Speaker 6>that his large dog, the family dog, is quote not

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<v Speaker 6>good with strangers, and of course John, ever having been

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<v Speaker 6>to the house before, was this.

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<v Speaker 7>Stranger that night.

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<v Speaker 6>You'll also learned that oddly, very oddly, after having their

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<v Speaker 6>family pet for seven years, a short time after this incident,

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<v Speaker 6>the Albert's got rid of that dog. They called it

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<v Speaker 6>rehoming her, but she was gone.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the final SoundBite that I want to play

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<v Speaker 2>from Alan Jackson, and again the audio on his presentation

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<v Speaker 2>is clearer, so you'll understand his arguments pretty succinctly completely.

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<v Speaker 2>This is his final comments to the jury today. Cut

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<v Speaker 2>number thirty Robin.

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<v Speaker 6>By the end of this trial, you'll conclude that Karen

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<v Speaker 6>Reid is not guilty of hitting John O'Keefe with her SUV.

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<v Speaker 6>There was no collision. She's the victim of a botched

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<v Speaker 6>and biased and corrupted investigation that was never about the truth, folks,

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<v Speaker 6>it was about preserving loyalty. You'll find that this case

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<v Speaker 6>is the very definition of reasonable doubt. And at the

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<v Speaker 6>end of this trial, we'll ask you to return the

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<v Speaker 6>only verdicts, all three of them, that are consistent with

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<v Speaker 6>the evidence, the science, the truth, and justice. Not guilty,

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<v Speaker 6>not guilty, not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the prosecutor, Hank Brennan has in his arsenal in

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<v Speaker 2>this retrial statements that Karen Reid made during some television

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<v Speaker 2>interviews she made voluntarily, which in the last hour Phil

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<v Speaker 2>Tracy was alluding to, which were not available because she

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<v Speaker 2>made these comments between trial the ending of trial one

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning of trial number two. So it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be an interesting trial. And I would like to

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<v Speaker 2>know if there's anywhere else anyone out there tonight who

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<v Speaker 2>does not have an opinion on this. If you want

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<v Speaker 2>to express your opinion, you are more than welcome. But

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<v Speaker 2>if there's anyone out there tonight who is either so

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<v Speaker 2>confused that you do not have an opinion as to

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, or or if you have an opinion either way.

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<v Speaker 2>Six seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>three one ten thirty. This has been just an extraordinary

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<v Speaker 2>trial to follow. It is now national and international news.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea how this is trial is going

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<v Speaker 2>to come out. I know many of you are convinced

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going to come out one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have had that conviction, you like to join

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. Great. As the trial goes on, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to continue to follow the resus else

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<v Speaker 2>on a daily basis, and that there will be uh

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<v Speaker 2>developments uh and and surprises uh and uh and witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>that uh that that may pull you back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's start with a relatively clean slate tonight and

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<v Speaker 2>see what my listeners think. Six one seven, two, four

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty, six one seven, nine three ten thirty. This

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<v Speaker 2>is nightside and we're not trying the case. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you this is I cannot I cannot remember

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<v Speaker 2>a case in New England that drew as much interest

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<v Speaker 2>as this one, and and I'd love to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it with you back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, the only line that is open is six, one, seven, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. We have a guest coming up at ten o'clock,

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<v Speaker 2>so don't don't be shy if you want to jump

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<v Speaker 2>on board and talk about this. We will close this

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<v Speaker 2>part of the conversation up at by ten. So some people,

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<v Speaker 2>I think Rob has told me'd like to wait until

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<v Speaker 2>like ten of the hours so they get the last

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<v Speaker 2>word in. Well, you won't get in with the last

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<v Speaker 2>word tonight. Let me go to Grant and Belmont. Greg

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<v Speaker 2>you're a next your first this hour night Side. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for getting us going, Grant, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having the conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>It's great to be back with you.

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<v Speaker 6>Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>This trial has captivated America. But what I noticed today

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<v Speaker 5>was two things. One Karen Reid was down to about

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five supporters, and two, Hank Brennan is a different

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<v Speaker 5>prosecutor than Adam Lally, and I thought he presented a

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<v Speaker 5>case with no notes that a jury could buy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a lot of faith in Hank Brennan's

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<v Speaker 2>ability as a lawyer. I thought Jackson did a great

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<v Speaker 2>job as well. Well. I will tell you the audio

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<v Speaker 2>levels that I have to deal with tonight. I can

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<v Speaker 2>play a little bit more of the Hank Brennan presentation,

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<v Speaker 2>but to be honest with you, the audio is not

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<v Speaker 2>nearly as it should be. Let me play one more

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<v Speaker 2>SoundBite here from from the prosecutor in the case, and

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<v Speaker 2>let me Rob just trying to be fair here, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is much tougher to listen to. I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to react to it for me, grant. This is cut

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<v Speaker 2>number twenty three. Rob.

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<v Speaker 3>I simply asked you to follow the evidence, follow the signs,

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<v Speaker 3>follow the day, ignore speculation and surmise conjecture. Stay true

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<v Speaker 3>to the evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>It will lead you through the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>That on Ganoid twenty nine twenty twenty two are very prosecuted.

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<v Speaker 3>And was angry and arguing about the relationship up with

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<v Speaker 3>John O'Keefe. And after the fight was over, she left,

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<v Speaker 3>but she brought the fight back hand the.

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<v Speaker 5>Form of her SUV.

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<v Speaker 3>She clipped him and fell backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>He broke his head.

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<v Speaker 3>And then this man who helped a lifetime of help

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<v Speaker 3>was left help the fascinata in the dance moving into

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<v Speaker 3>the truth and it defends all words from everything he looted.

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<v Speaker 2>What I didn't understand about that, Grant, was he he

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<v Speaker 2>implied that they had had an argument, uh, and that

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<v Speaker 2>she brought the argument back to him, I guess by

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<v Speaker 2>backing into him or clipping him with the SUV. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a little vague from I wanted to know more

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<v Speaker 2>with much more specificity, you know, if he felt that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, she had put the car in. My thought

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<v Speaker 2>is that the car might have been inadvertently in reverse

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<v Speaker 2>and she went to you know, to drive away quickly

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<v Speaker 2>and inadvertently backed up. But maybe he did not want

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<v Speaker 2>to make that concession because that could take away that

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<v Speaker 2>that would that would leave her open to manslaughter, but

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<v Speaker 2>would take away theoretically that the the secondary murdered murder.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Dan, absolutely, And I can give you a little

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<v Speaker 2>So please do me a favor as long if this

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<v Speaker 2>When it when it when it appears during this trial.

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<v Speaker 2>When it when it is in the record in this trial.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's there, Dan.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'll just conclude by saying, I think what Brennan

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you you believe in the conviction again. I

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<v Speaker 2>you know I admire. But until it comes in in

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<v Speaker 2>evidence in the second trial, the trial that Hank Brennan

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate your call and feel free to call again. Thanks,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Gren, Thanks Jan, have a great night. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>John Welcome. How are you sir?

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<v Speaker 4>How you doing Dan?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine. Trying to control trying to control this

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<v Speaker 2>a quoted public opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>This whole thing, Like what I know, everyone gets behind

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<v Speaker 4>all this. What was his toxicology and what did he

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<v Speaker 4>actually die of? Was it blunt force trauma? Was he

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<v Speaker 4>seems odd that someone going to back into him he

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, I I don't know, and I'm interested to

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<v Speaker 2>see what the you know, what what trial? What the

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<v Speaker 2>trial is? What what evidence comes in at the trial? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the only thing the jury is supposed to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if this jury is a questioned I

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<v Speaker 2>don't believe. I haven't heard anything that it has that

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know the first trial was there was it

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<v Speaker 4>a system? Was he you know?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that that a so called blood blood

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<v Speaker 2>back of blood alcohol content was done on Reid or

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<v Speaker 2>other on John O'Keeffe. This video that I saw, they

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<v Speaker 2>were both apparently drinking at a bar. And if they

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<v Speaker 2>drink it at a bar, I assume they it includes alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no suggestion that either one of them were

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<v Speaker 2>just drinking you know, Lime Ricky's or something like that,

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<v Speaker 2>if anybody remembers Lime Ricky's. But no, it's uh, something happened.

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<v Speaker 2>What we know is that one individual is dead. Someone's dead,

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<v Speaker 2>and the prosecution obviously believes that Karen Reid was the

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<v Speaker 2>cause of his death. Uh. The the defense is trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make the argument that O'Keeffe winning the house, some

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<v Speaker 2>individuals and or a dog. But my question has always been,

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<v Speaker 2>other people there, including police officers, would someone turn around

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<v Speaker 2>and say, I got a great idea, let's get him

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<v Speaker 4>I get it, But what was his actual cause of death?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it like blunt for sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh? Well, there will be autopsy results. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and if someone you know again, I'm sure that there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be medical officials on the stand. Uh, medical experts.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't get. I'll get the whole. However, one's all

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<v Speaker 4>infatuated by it, you know. Yeah, well that people get behind.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, I mean, well, obviously there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people out there who are convinced that she's being framed.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's a lot of people out there who

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<v Speaker 2>convince it was her vehicle. They buy the prosecution case

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<v Speaker 2>that her vehicle backed into him, either inadvertently or intentionally.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, I don't know that that there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's gonna be no videotape which is going to prove

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<v Speaker 2>to us. You know, a jury will come back with

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<v Speaker 2>a decision, But there's no videotape. It wasn't like there

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<v Speaker 2>was a camera uh trained on the front of the

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<v Speaker 2>house that night, and we can look at the camera

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<v Speaker 2>and we can see what happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Mixed bag for the jury again.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm kind of thinking that as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the jurors might say, we we need to

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<v Speaker 2>come back with some decision here and maybe again, but they.

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<v Speaker 4>Will we don't really, we can't tell either way. So therefore, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, figure it out. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that they I don't know that we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna get a second hung jury. That's I I kind.

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<v Speaker 4>Of think of guarantee if there is one, they'll definitely

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I would say, I would think. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right on that. John. Thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>much for your call. As always, I appreciated, have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of minutes late, but I didn't want a short change, John,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks shre You know it's interesting. The only only person

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<v Speaker 2>who really, I guess, knows what happened for certain is

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<v Speaker 2>Karen Reid. And if she really believes, as I apparently

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<v Speaker 2>think she does, that she's innocent, that she did nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to hurt John O'Keefe, Boy, what an experience this has

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<v Speaker 2>been for her. And who knows where the jury where

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<v Speaker 2>the jury will come out in a few weeks from now.

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<v Speaker 2>If if she's if she in her in her soul

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<v Speaker 2>knows that that she did, in a moment of anger,

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<v Speaker 2>do something that she now regrets. What a burden that

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<v Speaker 2>is it. I mean, we all make mistakes in life,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a huge mistake in some form of fashion,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's up to the courts, in twelve jurors to

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out. And that is something to think of

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<v Speaker 2>the next time that you get real angry. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>as I have, and as I think most of us

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<v Speaker 2>have at some point, Alex and millis Alex next on nights,

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<v Speaker 2>I go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Guilty or.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh you're still there?

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<v Speaker 2>He yeah, I am. Were you on some sort of

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, I got distracted. I'm sorry, what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you you sounded off microphone. I wasn't sure if

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, no, no it was it was something going

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<v Speaker 7>on in the other room, and I wasn't sure. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>what I'm offering you, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't understand that. But that's okay. You were talking but

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't able to hear you.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, so go ahead, okay, okay, I jumped the gun.

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<v Speaker 7>So aren't they able to extract data from the SUV?

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, that's that is something that the prosecution. That

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<v Speaker 2>is something that the prosecution has implied that they have,

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of forensics could be very important in

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<v Speaker 7>Obviously, right and fast forward. So, if she is found

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<v Speaker 7>out guilty or if there is a hung jury, the

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<v Speaker 7>money that she's raised the legal defense fund, and if

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<v Speaker 7>she becomes very wealthy because of this, will she be

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<v Speaker 7>obligated to pay that back? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No? First of all, I think that whatever money

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<v Speaker 2>has been raised for her, her legal firepower will more

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<v Speaker 2>than eat up that money. These are not inexpensive lawyers

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<v Speaker 2>who are representing her. And even if there's some money

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<v Speaker 2>if she gets in guilty verdict, I think she certainly

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they say, you know, they make you make your

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<v Speaker 7>bed and you lie in it. But I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. She's an never She's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 7>a very intelligent woman. I'm not trying to. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she is an intelligent woman. She she taught

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, was it accounting or something like that at

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<v Speaker 2>Babson if I'm not mistaken of one of the Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, clearly she's an intelligent woman. But intelligent people

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes do stupid things.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, how do you get yourself involved with these things?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 7>Or certain people?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get it, well, Alex. Intelligent people have been

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<v Speaker 2>known to do stupid things, and people who are under

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<v Speaker 2>the influence of alcohol sometimes exercise poor judgment. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when you mix in emotions, they say, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>fine line, a thin line between love and hate. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's I think you're experienced enough to be

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<v Speaker 7>I know, thanks, thank.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, I think yeah, the nuns gave you probably

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk by nuns. I gave you good advice

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<v Speaker 2>to avoid occasions of sin. I got you. Thanks Alex,

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<v Speaker 2>Doc deal later. Have a great night, Gail and Siduate. Gail,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for that lovely magazine that you sent me

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<v Speaker 2>with all sorts of chocolate recipes.

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<v Speaker 9>Oh you're welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan. Just reading it, just just reading it, I put

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<v Speaker 9>I know, I know what you mean. I went through

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<v Speaker 9>So when I saw it, I thought, I go.

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<v Speaker 7>I send this to Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 9>You're welcome. So Dan, I have followed the case a

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<v Speaker 9>how John O'Keefe got outside and why was he outside?

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<v Speaker 9>So he goes into the Albert's house. It's clearly evident

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<v Speaker 9>that he was attacked by the Albert's dog, which I

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<v Speaker 9>believe was the German shepherd. And when you get attacked

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<v Speaker 9>by a dog like that, it's pretty traumatic. So he

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<v Speaker 9>goes outside somehow, and Alan Jackson even said there was

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<v Speaker 9>no bodily injury to him whatsoever. So Alan Jackson needs

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<v Speaker 9>to get hold of that autopsy report. The autopsy report,

426
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<v Speaker 9>it's going to explain everything that I think. There's a

427
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<v Speaker 9>possibility maybe he had a heart attack or aneurysm, and

428
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<v Speaker 9>then he's left out in the snow, he you know,

429
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<v Speaker 9>falls back and guys of hypothermia, which adds to it.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I'm just I think that autopsy report is

431
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<v Speaker 9>gonna is going to explain plenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's true, But then the question is, let's assume

433
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<v Speaker 2>that he did go into the house. Make that assumption

434
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<v Speaker 2>for a moment, and let's assume that you're right that

435
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<v Speaker 2>the dog bit him or jumped at him, and maybe,

436
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<v Speaker 2>you know, the normal reaction of a dog owner is

437
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<v Speaker 2>to try to pull the dog off. I mean, that's

438
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<v Speaker 2>what normally would happen. And let's assume everybody's had a

439
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<v Speaker 2>few drinks and he's mad, I'm going to get the

440
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<v Speaker 2>hell out of here, and he walks outside and he

441
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<v Speaker 2>let's assume, you know, he has some sort of stroke

442
00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you want to you know, aneurysm, whatever, right, right,

443
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<v Speaker 2>Why would then the people who were in the house,

444
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<v Speaker 2>even if they didn't have the good sense to go

445
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<v Speaker 2>out and check and make sure. And when you walk

446
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>when he walked away, I mean, wouldn't someone say, hey,

447
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:50.200
<v Speaker 2>where you're going? You know, you need a ride somewhere?

448
00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, assuming that there was no hostility, right, and

449
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<v Speaker 2>why would they not have at least said, yeah, he

450
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<v Speaker 2>came in the house and our dog attacked him. It's

451
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<v Speaker 2>not our fault that the dog is very protective. No,

452
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<v Speaker 2>they they all testified he never came in the house.

453
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<v Speaker 9>Albert's testified he did not. John o'keef did not go

454
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<v Speaker 9>in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe and again I believe that the police report

456
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<v Speaker 2>that Proctor put together, uh suggested that that that he

457
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<v Speaker 2>never had gone in the house. I don't think there's

458
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<v Speaker 2>any evidence. Look, if there was any evidence that he

459
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<v Speaker 2>went in the house, if there was any evidence that

460
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<v Speaker 2>he went in the house, why is Karen Reid on trial?

461
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<v Speaker 9>Right, Well, we cannot go by what Proctor said in

462
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<v Speaker 9>his report because he's not credible enough. You know, he

463
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<v Speaker 9>would say that the boogeyman exists. We have to, like

464
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<v Speaker 9>I think, we have to take Proctor out of the

465
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<v Speaker 9>picture because in order for the only well, what we

466
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<v Speaker 9>know is that he had bite marks from an animal

467
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<v Speaker 9>from a dog on his arm. Alan Jackson said that,

468
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<v Speaker 9>so somehow John o'keef came into contact with the Albert's

469
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<v Speaker 9>dog and so ended up outside. So that's where it's

470
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<v Speaker 9>that's where the question is. And I think that I

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<v Speaker 9>really think that that that oh god, what's it called again?

472
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<v Speaker 9>The report? The oh, I forgot the name of the report.

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<v Speaker 2>Autopsy autopsy, Jackson is saying. Jackson said he had no

474
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<v Speaker 2>other injuries. Okay, So so let's assume that he was

475
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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's keep it simple. Well, let's let's let's let's

476
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<v Speaker 2>say that he's that she drives off, doesn't hit him,

477
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<v Speaker 2>and he's so drunk, hypothetically that he falls down in

478
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<v Speaker 2>the snow. Okay, And and let's assume that you know,

479
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<v Speaker 2>maybe you know, he just fell in the snow, and

480
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<v Speaker 2>there could be any animal out there at night that

481
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<v Speaker 2>could be out there, could be a fox or whatever.

482
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<v Speaker 2>But let's assume why would the why would the the

483
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<v Speaker 2>Alberts or whomever was in that house. Someone should have

484
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<v Speaker 2>should have gone on the record and said, look, never

485
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<v Speaker 2>came in the house. I mean, if they have nothing

486
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<v Speaker 2>to hide, okay. And I'm not saying that they did anything.

487
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<v Speaker 2>But you would think that at some point, well, I'm

488
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<v Speaker 2>saying that at some point Proctor would have would have,

489
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<v Speaker 2>you know, filed the report. I don't know all the

490
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<v Speaker 2>specifics of the case, but but you would you think

491
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<v Speaker 2>it's either he got hit by the car or he

492
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<v Speaker 2>went in the house and something bad happened and he

493
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<v Speaker 2>got put out in the lawn. I think those are

494
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<v Speaker 2>the two options. Would you agree?

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm not sure if I can, because the Alberts

496
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<v Speaker 9>could be lying. They could be lying just to stay

497
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<v Speaker 9>out of it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I'm saying there's only no what I'm saying,

499
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<v Speaker 2>there's only whoa. But but if he never came in

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<v Speaker 2>the house and and the police found someone dead on

501
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.359
<v Speaker 2>by lawn tomorrow morning, I would be out there and saying,

502
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<v Speaker 2>what the hell's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Pretend?

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<v Speaker 9>So let's pretend that John o'keef did not go in

505
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<v Speaker 9>the Elbert's house, and somehow the dog was outside. He

506
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<v Speaker 9>gets attacked by the dog, German shepherd, big dog, you know,

507
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 9>heavy bite, the heavy bite, uh pressure, that's going to

508
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.079
<v Speaker 9>leave a mark on your arm. So he gets the

509
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.359
<v Speaker 9>he gets the bite marks from the dog which is

510
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<v Speaker 9>probably outside, and then somehow in some maybe drunken, stupidor

511
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<v Speaker 9>he falls and that's when he's that's how he gets outside.

512
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<v Speaker 9>Well he's outside anyway, and that's how he ends up

513
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<v Speaker 9>on the snow. But I really think that autopsy report

514
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<v Speaker 9>is going to tell everything.

515
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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's let us hope, let us hope. Gail always

516
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<v Speaker 2>great to talk to me here. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You've you've maybe confused some people and confused me a

518
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<v Speaker 2>little bit, but but you've you've raised really good questions

519
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 2>and I really do appreciate. Let's focus on the autopsy report. Uh,

520
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe I'll do a little research on that and try

521
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to find out what was entered during in the first trial.

522
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<v Speaker 2>In that, Okay, well on the.

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<v Speaker 9>Second ten how old was John Keith? Was he in

524
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<v Speaker 9>his forties?

525
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<v Speaker 2>I think somewhere in that. I'm just.

526
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<v Speaker 9>Like, once you get if he was like forty five

527
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:02.640
<v Speaker 9>and above, you know, once you get past forty five,

528
00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:06.480
<v Speaker 9>anything can happen. So I'm listening. It's a possibility he

529
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<v Speaker 9>could have had a heart attack on aneurysm, and and

530
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 9>you know, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Comes back to injury, back to the autopsy. Certainly it

532
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 2>was a sudden death. There should be an autopsy and

533
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>we'll try to figure out what that says. I gotta run, Gail.

534
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<v Speaker 2>I thank you so much. We'll talk soon. Okay, you're

535
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<v Speaker 2>gonna join us on Sunday at.

536
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:26.839
<v Speaker 8>The brunch or no, I'm sorry, I can't.

537
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, no problem, no problem, gonna have a big crowd anyway,

538
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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Gail, talk to you soon. Quick break here on Nightside,

539
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<v Speaker 2>coming right back.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

541
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, back to the phones to go. We're gonna try

542
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<v Speaker 2>to get everybody in the lake callers. I don't think

543
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna make it. Let me go to Paul in Dorchester.

544
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<v Speaker 2>Paul next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 10>Go ahead, Hey Dan, can you tell me the investigators

546
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 10>ever enter the premises the of the home?

547
00:32:56.839 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 5>Yes?

548
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:57.440
<v Speaker 10>Or no?

549
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<v Speaker 2>My recollect And again I'm not an expert in this case.

550
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>Is that Proctor, Michael Proctor never went into the house. Okay,

551
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<v Speaker 2>now as an investigator.

552
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<v Speaker 10>Okay, that's okay, that's one thing. Now, how did all

553
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 10>the cell phones get disposed of? They was destroyed? They

554
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 10>were okay, whatever happened was the dog Chloe? How do

555
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 10>you get me.

556
00:33:30.799 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 2>When I guess the phrase they used that Chloe was rehomed.

557
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Chloe is alive today. I don't

558
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 2>know if Chloe has gone on to that big dog

559
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>pound in the sky. I really don't know.

560
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<v Speaker 10>I bet, I bet Chloe had a new bright smile,

561
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 10>at least I was. I was would not be funny

562
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 10>he came in with a human smile, you know, I

563
00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:57.240
<v Speaker 10>guess I think the dog disappeared? Now did they not

564
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 10>sell that at home? And also they refurnished the floor of.

565
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<v Speaker 2>That I read stuff like that, But I read stuff

566
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>like that, but again I don't have I haven't followed

567
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 2>this trial as closely as I as I would like.

568
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping people like you either ask questions or provide information.

569
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the injury tonight.

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<v Speaker 10>The injury seem inconsistent with getting backed into buy a car.

571
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 10>If you get bumped by a car, you may get

572
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<v Speaker 10>a bump in like one spot and fell got in

573
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<v Speaker 10>his head. But like the woman was saying, I don't

574
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<v Speaker 10>see how the puncture wounds were there from from that?

575
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:38.079
<v Speaker 10>How and also how the in the in the tail

576
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 10>light they had it backwards in the auto shopped them

577
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:44.559
<v Speaker 10>and and and the dog disappeared. That's what gets me,

578
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:46.639
<v Speaker 10>Man how can you get rid of your dog after

579
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<v Speaker 10>eight years?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. I don't I don't quite understand, Paul,

581
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 2>I got a bunch of others. Isn't going to try

582
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>to get a couple more in at least? Okay? Thanks man,

583
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 2>We ready to smiled. You raised the questions. You raised

584
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<v Speaker 2>the questions, and it raised them.

585
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 8>Well.

586
00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, John and hanover John next on nightside, A

587
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<v Speaker 2>little tight on time, Go ahead.

588
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<v Speaker 4>John, Hey, Dan, good evening.

589
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<v Speaker 11>I was a witness at a trial once in Quincy

590
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<v Speaker 11>District Court. I was the only witness and vendant was

591
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:14.280
<v Speaker 11>a buddy of mine, and I'll tell you twenty years later.

592
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 5>He was innocent.

593
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<v Speaker 11>But someone in the case knew the district attorney of

594
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<v Speaker 11>someone in their office, so they brought someone in from

595
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.400
<v Speaker 11>Middlesex to prosecute, and it was our governor more heally

596
00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.199
<v Speaker 11>at the time this kid got convicted. It forever shook

597
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<v Speaker 11>my faith in our judicial system, because I know he

598
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<v Speaker 11>wasna Yeah what.

599
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Was he convicted of? Without you don't give me much

600
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>information about you know, his name or anything, but what

601
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>what was he? What was he charged with?

602
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

603
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:41.280
<v Speaker 11>It was the charge was domestic He was my roommate.

604
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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

605
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<v Speaker 4>We had a mutual friend.

606
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:43.880
<v Speaker 7>She came all over.

607
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 4>I thought she was I thought I was getting lucky.

608
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.840
<v Speaker 4>It turned out to be a setup.

609
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<v Speaker 11>It was his ex girlfriend and he came home and

610
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<v Speaker 11>she beat him up a little bit, and he picked

611
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<v Speaker 11>her up and put her outside the door and then

612
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 11>just stared me down, you know, And it was just

613
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 11>it's one of those things.

614
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<v Speaker 2>She was assumed. Did she not testify? You were a witness?

615
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Did she not testify?

616
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<v Speaker 11>No, she didn't. She she called it in like a

617
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 11>couple of days later, her father called us and gave

618
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<v Speaker 11>us a heads up. My roommate and her were both

619
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 11>kind of, I don't want to say disturbed, but they

620
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 11>had some emotional problems in high school.

621
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<v Speaker 4>That's how they met.

622
00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh was your roommate and was your roommate male or female?

623
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<v Speaker 4>He was a male and she was a female.

624
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<v Speaker 2>So so if how did they get how did they

625
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:26.679
<v Speaker 2>get the evidence in? If she didn't testify.

626
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<v Speaker 11>It was a statement that they brought forth. But the

627
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<v Speaker 11>whole point was they brought me forth as a witness,

628
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<v Speaker 11>the only one. And I was indifferent because I had

629
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<v Speaker 11>thrown him out because he owed me money for rent

630
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 11>at that point, because it was a months later, and

631
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<v Speaker 11>the way more heally conducted herself was like she was

632
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<v Speaker 11>trying to sell a story to the jewelry and she

633
00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:46.440
<v Speaker 11>didn't really care what I had to say at all,

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<v Speaker 11>And it just I was founded.

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<v Speaker 2>But it certainly, it certainly doesn't sound like it was

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<v Speaker 2>something that should make the judicial system proud. John. Interesting, interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>a little off topic, but very interesting. Thank you so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>have a good night, you too. Mixed up last one

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<v Speaker 2>of the hour, Chuck and Plymouth. Chuck, I got about

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<v Speaker 2>a minute for you, would you Lake?

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<v Speaker 8>Thank of my call. You know, I think Alan Jackson's

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<v Speaker 8>done a great job of mutting the waters with with

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<v Speaker 8>the Snell phones being destroyed and the floor being redone

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<v Speaker 8>in the house being sold. But people need to follow

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<v Speaker 8>the facts. So many people are like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 8>she has to be innocent because Procer lick through her

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<v Speaker 8>phone for nudes.

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<v Speaker 4>What a rude jerk.

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<v Speaker 8>If they follow the facts, they could figure it out

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<v Speaker 8>what I think happened in this case. If if he

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<v Speaker 8>in anyway o'keith entered that house, and how did he

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<v Speaker 8>get out if they dragged him outside he was dead.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't you think he'd leave a plow from two guys

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<v Speaker 8>carrying a man outside of the house. I think he

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<v Speaker 8>got hit by the car, hit his head on the ground,

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<v Speaker 8>and then I think a snowplow goosed him up on

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<v Speaker 8>the sidewalk, and that's where he died, on the sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 8>after a plow goosted him up there. But if the

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<v Speaker 8>bottom line is this, like you said, either somebody went

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<v Speaker 8>in the house, he went in the house and got

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<v Speaker 8>beat or you hit on the car. And even you said,

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<v Speaker 8>you said it best she wouldn't be on trial if

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<v Speaker 8>he went in the house. How can all those people

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<v Speaker 8>in the house keep a secret for this long? No,

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<v Speaker 8>that one that one giving anything saying that, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 8>I just saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's that's a strong argument. And what do you plan?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know it just neither story. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing that's clear cut here. So let's let's hope

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence is presented more effectively by both sides. Hey, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks man.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you, Chock. That's it. We're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about tariffs. Unfortunately, those of you who are still on

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<v Speaker 2>the line, I told you Paul earlier, you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to get on because we got the ten o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on night Side, We're going to talk about tariffs

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<v Speaker 2>with a Boston University business professor from their business school.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a really good we'll we'll introduce you to him

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<v Speaker 2>right after this