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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Studio A here at proven Winns

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<v Speaker 1>Color Joy Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show

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<v Speaker 1>with Stacy Hervella, Me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and

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<v Speaker 1>producer Adrianna Robinson. Well Stacy, throughout the years, I have

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<v Speaker 1>helped people with garden problems. I've been involved in the

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<v Speaker 1>media for years, and when I'm out and about and

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<v Speaker 1>people meet me, first thing they'll do is they'll shake

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<v Speaker 1>my hand vigorously and introduce themselves. And then the next

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<v Speaker 1>words out of their mouth are I have a brown thumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything I touch dies. And I say to them, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of information I would have liked before you

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<v Speaker 1>shook my name. Are there plants that you can't kill?

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<v Speaker 1>I say, well, maybe, at least I've tried with certain plants.

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<v Speaker 1>And Stacy, I think when you approach the subject, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to look at plants first of all, considering what

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<v Speaker 1>is their native habitat, look at their reach, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>how large an area across the world does this plant grow?

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<v Speaker 1>Remember it's all relative. And then finally, look at the roots.

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<v Speaker 1>Some plants have what we call adventitious roots or rhizotomous roots,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can make all the difference in the world

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<v Speaker 1>as it relates to a plant survivability.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many factors that go into a plant's

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<v Speaker 2>ability to withstand challenges. But I do want to say

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<v Speaker 2>first that I would think that when most people meet you,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing they would say is I've got the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect pun for you.

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<v Speaker 1>They do that too, I have hundreds of them. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of my best came from listeners.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, just time to get that out of the way. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but there are a lot of different factors. And when

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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking about this topic, you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like there's a differentiation right between plants that are durable,

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<v Speaker 2>which we talk about a lot. We will say things like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this plant will withstand wet soil, or this

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<v Speaker 2>plant can withstand high pH or low pH or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about specific challenges. But to me, these plants

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't kill can't merely tolerate one extreme condition.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to be able to tolerate anything that Mother

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<v Speaker 2>Nature can throw at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great point, and there are actually.

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<v Speaker 2>A number of those plants because of course you can

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<v Speaker 2>walk around and see that plants are surviving despite all

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<v Speaker 2>of the crazy stuff that Mother nature does.

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<v Speaker 3>Throw at them.

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<v Speaker 2>But the bigger question than is are they nice enough

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<v Speaker 2>to have in your landscape?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Exactly. So if I elaborate on that a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see how you feel about this, Stacey. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, look to where they are native. Think about

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<v Speaker 1>the plants from the Great Plains like Helianthus, cone flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>switch grass Esclepius two buosa, favorite plant of yours, and

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<v Speaker 1>think about their root system and what it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>survive out there on the Great Plains. Can get really hot,

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<v Speaker 1>can get really cold, et cetera, et cetera. Right, and

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<v Speaker 1>then take a look at the range. I think about

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting tree people don't talk about a lot, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is ironwood tree. The range of that tree is

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<v Speaker 1>unbelievable throughout Canada, into the eastern US, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down to the Honduras.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, that far down.

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<v Speaker 1>So a sizeable reach on that tree. And then remember

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<v Speaker 1>it's all relative. If you were to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>search engine of your choice and type in plants that

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<v Speaker 1>are hard to kill, odds are what's gonna come up?

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<v Speaker 1>Are houseplants? Yes, because everybody kills houseplants and usually kills

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<v Speaker 1>them with kindness. Now there are super tough houseplants like

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<v Speaker 1>ponytail palm or sandsavaria or zz plants. But odds are

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<v Speaker 1>people kill them left and right. Why Because they overwater them?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>That is so true In all of my years of

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<v Speaker 2>helping people garden and answering questions, overwatering has overwhelmingly been

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that people have killed their plants indoors and

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<v Speaker 2>out I have so so many people who you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hear at proven winners plant a lilac or plant a

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<v Speaker 2>panic lyide range of two of our best sellers. Great

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<v Speaker 2>plants widely be loved, and they say, and I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to give it a good home. So I dug a hole,

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<v Speaker 2>and I dumped a big, you know, bag full of

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<v Speaker 2>composts or potting mix in there, and then I planted it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been watering it every day and now it's wilting,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I gave it more water, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there goes a plant. And the thing the bottom line here,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's houseplants or outdoor plants, is that plants can

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<v Speaker 2>generally withstand underwatering more they can withstand overwatering because what

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<v Speaker 2>they can deal what they can do if they get

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<v Speaker 2>too much, If they get too little water, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>go dormant, just boo. Can't deal just conserving my resources,

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<v Speaker 2>putting it away for a little while. If they get overwatered,

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<v Speaker 2>their roots suffocate. It's like, you know, you can live

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<v Speaker 2>in the desert, but if you drown in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 2>your your life will be very short.

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<v Speaker 3>You might be able to do three.

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<v Speaker 2>Days in the desert, if you know, going through there

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<v Speaker 2>and finding some water, maybe eating a cactus if you're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, in the ocean, you got to stay afloat.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna drown.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why one of my favorite puns is I just

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<v Speaker 1>wet my plants. But it's true. And with those houseplants,

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<v Speaker 1>so they kill them with watering. Whereas there are some

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<v Speaker 1>houseplants if you look at their native habitat their range,

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<v Speaker 1>their characteristics Philodendron chordatum or pothos, that is a plant.

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<v Speaker 1>And my daughter is evidence of this because I've watched

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<v Speaker 1>her houseplants. They can shift from dust dry to soaking

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<v Speaker 1>wet and survive. So there are a few that are tough,

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<v Speaker 1>too very tough to kill. Today's lima rick and by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we're gonna call it limb a Eric li

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<v Speaker 1>MB Thanks to one of our viewers listeners, Randa, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. Tougher than a choke cherry or a

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<v Speaker 1>plant grown on the prairie, one's interest is arbitrary of

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<v Speaker 1>its thorns. You should be wary. Just how does Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>feel about Barbary Rick?

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<v Speaker 2>How dare you don't make me say this on the show?

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we were doing plants we hate next episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, we can save it for next week. Then

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<v Speaker 1>then let me ask you this question. How do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel about day lilies or jeez? Because boy, here is

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<v Speaker 1>a perennial that is next to impossible to kill. I've

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<v Speaker 1>pulled them out of the ground, left them laying for months,

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<v Speaker 1>and they survived it. And again I go back to

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<v Speaker 1>what I originally said, Stacy, I think it goes back

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<v Speaker 1>to the rhizotomous, adventitious thick roots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's definitely why day lilies are pretty hard

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<v Speaker 2>to kill. Because if you dig one up, do you

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<v Speaker 2>see that they have like a nice fleshy storage root

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<v Speaker 2>down there where they can keep moisture. And like I

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<v Speaker 2>just said, because there are deciduous plants, if going really

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<v Speaker 2>gets tough, they just go dormant and then they come

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<v Speaker 2>back next year. They store all their nutrients. I do

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<v Speaker 2>not care for day lilies. This is a widely known fact.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I don't judge anybody who does like them,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do get why people like them. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a visceral reaction to daylilies because this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of gross, but I'm gonna say it anyway. The

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<v Speaker 2>petals remind me of diapers.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're like so thick and puffy and gross. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm cracking up the studio in here. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 2>I just said this on air. But yeah, like especially

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<v Speaker 2>the newer so you know, Sorryboddy in here, it's busted enough.

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<v Speaker 1>It all depends. Maybe I should just pamper you some

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<v Speaker 1>color commentary here anyway.

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<v Speaker 3>So, especially the newer varieties of.

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<v Speaker 1>Daily Again the same way, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't believe I haven't said this to you. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I say this to everybody when they ask me

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<v Speaker 2>how I feel about daylilies, especially the newer varieties. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, newer varieties have more chromosomes. That's what makes

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<v Speaker 2>them bigger, more, you know, more colorful, everything, more robust,

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<v Speaker 2>and it also makes the petals even thicker and uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I really really don't like daylilies. I mean, besides the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that I can't even grow them even if I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to, because I have deer, and I actually have

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<v Speaker 2>one day lily, I believe it or not. It is

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<v Speaker 2>a variegated day lily, and it's kind of interesting. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I knew it would never flower because of

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<v Speaker 2>the deer, but the I like variegation that's like very

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<v Speaker 2>neat and tidy, and this is a parallel variegation, so

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<v Speaker 2>it looks really good. But it is on its last

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<v Speaker 2>legs between the deer and the dry soil. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>close to killing it. But I will say it has

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<v Speaker 2>been at least ten years that I've had it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been slowly declining. So that's, you know, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>good up vote.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the rainbow, the proven Winter's Rainbow Rhythm dailies,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can get varieties that have paeony flowers too.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry Walters, sorry to our partners at Walters and the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Breeders everywhere. Just not my taste.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wet my plants. I think what we'll do

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<v Speaker 1>is we're going to move the rest of this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>to segment for today because there's a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>set to be said, including sharing some plants that I

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<v Speaker 1>think you can't kill. Okay, I think people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to want at least a list of a few plants

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<v Speaker 1>that you can't kill and don't look like diapers.

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<v Speaker 3>That's going to be a very helpful list, Rick, I

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<v Speaker 3>look forward to.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see what Stacy has in mind next. Plants on trial.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next here on the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where we are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about plants that you can't kill or that they

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<v Speaker 2>are very hard to kill.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a dare.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not actually encouraging you to try to kill these plants.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just saying they're going to be very forgiving. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to say, speaking of being forgiving and forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>I like many gardeners and people who are passionate about

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<v Speaker 2>anything in life, have some very strong opinions about plants

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<v Speaker 2>and gardening, and I certainly do not want to disparage

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who likes day Lili's. I know they are widely

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<v Speaker 2>beloved in the garden world. I know where you're coming from,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, I just I just want to say

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not judging because I like plenty of plants that

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<v Speaker 2>people despise and would never grow, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just that's just the way it is. So I

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<v Speaker 2>certainly hope that no one took offense at my little

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<v Speaker 2>uh day Lily tirade there. I get that they're easy

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<v Speaker 2>to grow, I get that they're hard to kill, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're just not for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait until we talk about Barbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, we'll see what happens then. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>every time we do Plants on Trial, of course, I

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<v Speaker 2>always try to tie it to the theme of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking plants that are hard to kill, and

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<v Speaker 2>I try not to repeat a plant that I have

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<v Speaker 2>used before in Plants on Trial. But of course, now

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<v Speaker 2>we've been on the air for you know, a good

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 2>I am repeating a plant on trial for the first

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>It is appropriate because if the topic is plants that

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<v Speaker 2>are hard to kill, there is one plant that stands

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<v Speaker 2>head and shoulders above all of the other proven winner's

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<v Speaker 2>color choice shrubs as being very hard to kill, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to feature it otherwise I would have

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<v Speaker 2>to do some sort of kakamamie roundabout way of bringing

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<v Speaker 2>something else in. So I'm revisiting it because it's been

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<v Speaker 2>a good two three years since we covered it, and

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<v Speaker 2>today's plant on trial low Skate mound Erronia.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a great choice and I love that plant.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think about it, Stacy, well, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you've thought about it, and that is that the plant

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<v Speaker 1>meets my criteria in segment one where it's a native plant,

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<v Speaker 1>right it is with a wide ring.

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<v Speaker 2>That is absolutely true. So this is also we call

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<v Speaker 2>it low Skate mount Arnia. Ronia is also commonly called chokeberry.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really sure how most people tend to know it.

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<v Speaker 2>If they know it as aronia or chokeberry. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>it depends on kind of your framework, because some people

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<v Speaker 2>do know ronia because they sell ronia as like a

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<v Speaker 2>juice and nutritional supplement, so you might be familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That we prefer the name ronia here at proven Winter's

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<v Speaker 2>color choice because choke berry just you know, doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the charm and it comes by that name earnestly. It

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<v Speaker 2>does set big, kind of pithy berries that are so

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<v Speaker 2>astringent that you will choke on them. It's one of

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<v Speaker 2>those things that just sucks all the moisture right out

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<v Speaker 2>of your mouth. Not a pleasant experience, but yes, you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Rick Ronia are an abundant native plant. They basically grow

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<v Speaker 2>everywhere from Maine as far west as Arkansas, so pretty

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<v Speaker 2>you know, basically over the entire eastern half of the

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<v Speaker 2>US and Canada. And when I was reading a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about where they're found in nature, two areas

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<v Speaker 2>stuck out to me that really kind of account for this,

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<v Speaker 2>for this endurance that it has. They can be found

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<v Speaker 2>in bogs and in dunes, and that is two extremes. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because we live in a dune area and

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<v Speaker 2>it's extremely dry, very very sandy, we have almost no

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<v Speaker 2>top soil, very well drained. But of course a bog

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<v Speaker 2>is you know, basically stagnant water and plants, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you'll find ironia in all of those areas.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I just said, it's also.

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<v Speaker 2>Growing everywhere from Maine all the way over to Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 2>so Arkansas is you know, quite hot. It goes down

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<v Speaker 2>all the way into Alabama. So we're talking about good,

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<v Speaker 2>solid USDA Zone eight climates as well as cold you

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<v Speaker 2>know northern Minnesota and you know far eastern main Zone

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<v Speaker 2>three climates. So it also has that wide climate adaptability.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that's another really important part of a

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<v Speaker 2>plant that you can't kill, is it's not just can

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<v Speaker 2>it take really dry conditions and really wet conditions? Can

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<v Speaker 2>it take those hot swings? Can it take those cold swings?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, can it take a snow load? Can it

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<v Speaker 2>take hot sun? And yes, ronia can do all of

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<v Speaker 2>those things. But you're probably wondering how does it look?

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<v Speaker 2>And you could not be blamed, because what's the point

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<v Speaker 2>of having a plant you can't kill if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to even look at it in your yard?

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<v Speaker 3>That's no fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm telling you, Stacey, both the flower and the

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<v Speaker 1>fall color are quite appealing to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so it starts. The show starts in spring with

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<v Speaker 2>little clusters of white flowers. And what I love about

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<v Speaker 2>the Low Skate Mound Erronea specifically is that the pollen

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<v Speaker 2>is pink. And that might seem like a really minor

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<v Speaker 2>detail that you're just like, oh, whoop, do you do

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<v Speaker 2>pink pollen, but it's actually quite interesting and it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>It just makes the flowers look a little bit more colorful.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're gonna have those nice white flowers in spring.

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<v Speaker 2>Plants are just gonna sit around looking beautiful until late summer,

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<v Speaker 2>and then those are going to turn into purple like

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<v Speaker 2>purply black berries, okay, and then in a few more

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<v Speaker 2>weeks you're gonna have amazing fall color red, orange, yellow,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole you know, hot color range there. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that makes Low Skate Mound Erronia special and why

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<v Speaker 2>it's part of the Proven Winter's Color Choice brand is

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<v Speaker 2>because compared to our wild ronea, which are gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>about six feet tall and wide, Low Skate Mound reaches

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<v Speaker 2>one and a half to three feet tall and wide.

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<v Speaker 2>So it lives up to that mound name, just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of growing as a tidy, little tough it there. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get too tall, and it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Really get too wide.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a good landscape friendly size and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>good landscape friendly habit. That makes it a lot easier

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<v Speaker 2>to get this durability in a plant that actually works,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in your standard residential landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to show restraint and not say are you

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<v Speaker 1>pollen my leg? But I will concur that with low

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<v Speaker 1>scape mound erronia, the shape of it in a landscape

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of follows the contour of a landscape, which

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<v Speaker 1>is part of what makes it such a fantastic plant.

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<v Speaker 1>And my personal experience with the plant, I had put

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<v Speaker 1>it in the ground stacy and something came along, either

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<v Speaker 1>a deer or rabbits and ate it to the nubs.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow, okay, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It bounced back and came back with renewed vigors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So I also have my own personal experience with

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<v Speaker 2>this plant that I can attest makes it hard to kill. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the perks working in the horticulture

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<v Speaker 2>industry is you tend to get a lot of free plants.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's a good job perk. And so we

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<v Speaker 2>had a plant giveaway and you know, usually there at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the season, and I took three low

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<v Speaker 2>skate mounds. You know, of course, with the best intentions

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<v Speaker 2>their native I have a native plant garden, thinking I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to plant them in there, but you know how

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<v Speaker 2>it is, the season gets in the way, nothing gets planted.

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<v Speaker 2>So I then overwintered the erronias in their nursery containers. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something that we tell people not to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I do it all the time. But it's different when

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<v Speaker 2>it's a free plant versus when someone has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>shelled out money for it. You don't want to just say,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, go ahead and risk it. It's not that

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<v Speaker 2>big of a deal where I'm just like, h if

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<v Speaker 2>I lose them, you know, not that big of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I ever wanted them in their nursery containers. They

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<v Speaker 2>came back and spring, no problem. A whole other season

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<v Speaker 2>goes by. I still don't plant them because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like you think, okay, I'm gonna do this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>things start to grow and then you're just like, oh, wait, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that plant looks so good right now. That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to put it. I don't want to dig

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<v Speaker 2>it up right now. And then you know it's too hot. O,

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<v Speaker 2>it's too hot for do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know there's always you know how it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure our listeners know how it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Adrian is also nodding just for reference here, so we're

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<v Speaker 2>all in the same page. So I never planted them.

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<v Speaker 2>I did that for three seasons and they never died.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I had to finally throw it away because I do

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<v Speaker 2>have to say, this plant does sucker, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>like Rick was saying about, you know, having these robust roots.

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<v Speaker 2>That is one of the reasons that it can be

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<v Speaker 2>so durable and so able to withstand these challenges is

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<v Speaker 2>as it's growing, it puts out these kind of stolens

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll put out shoots not far from the main plant,

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<v Speaker 2>but potentially at some distance from the main plant. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is one of the ways that it's able to

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<v Speaker 2>really utilize all of the nutrients, all of the moisture,

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<v Speaker 2>and have the ability to withstand really challenging conditions. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the worst offender when it comes to suckering.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't like the suckers, all you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do is take a sharp set bade and just

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<v Speaker 2>whack them out. Very simple to do, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that it does make this plant a great choice for

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<v Speaker 2>things like slopes where you might have a very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>wetter at the base and dryer at the top, parking lots,

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<v Speaker 2>the front walkway area where things can it can be

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for things to grow. So it's really good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>fine to including your landscape. You might just have to

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<v Speaker 2>again plan for those suckers if they pop up where

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want them. But yeah, it's a great choice

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<v Speaker 2>for those really really difficult spots, and especially if you

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<v Speaker 2>just don't want to have to, you know, ever deal

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<v Speaker 2>with it. Just let it sucker, let it cover the

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<v Speaker 2>ground there. It's a great stabilizer for that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And we actually recommend it specifically for landscapers

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<v Speaker 2>who are landscaping parking lots, you know, because imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>hard it is to be in a parking lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the Midwest. Here we're stuck with all of

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<v Speaker 2>those horrendous mounds of snow. They got plowed together, and

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<v Speaker 2>even though the snow has been melting on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>those snow mounds do not feel like they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>melt until maybe July. And they're all like gross and

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<v Speaker 2>dirty and full of garbage. It's really horrendous. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, those massive snowlads can go on top of

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<v Speaker 2>low skate mound erronia, and when they melt, the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be there. It's going to flower. It

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<v Speaker 2>is not even going to be phased.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, those snow piles here in the north at shopping centers,

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<v Speaker 1>when they melt in spring, that's when you find those

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<v Speaker 1>missing shopping carts.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>We're very really truly all the time, Stacy. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you're keeping score at home, Stacy is talking about low

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<v Speaker 1>scape mound Ronia. Stacy, I would grow this plant just

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<v Speaker 1>for the fall color. I love the fall tome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's great fall color, and the flowers are really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>They do attract pollinators. Of course, this is a native plant,

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<v Speaker 2>so there just has a lot going for it. Disease resistant.

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<v Speaker 2>You aren't going to see like nasty leaf spots or

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<v Speaker 2>powdery mildew or anything like that on this plant. And

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, Rick, it is not particularly deer resistant

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<v Speaker 2>or rabbit resistant. I did have them eat flowers off

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<v Speaker 2>of my plants. But you know, again, this kind of

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<v Speaker 2>if so if you have deer or a big rabbit issue,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a plant you just need to be aware that

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen. But in my experience, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really damage the plant itself. They really just took the

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<v Speaker 2>flower clusters, which does of course negate the potential for berries.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, again, it's just something that's worth keeping

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<v Speaker 2>in mind if you have those super difficult areas and

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<v Speaker 2>you just want something that's just going to look good

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't have to think about it. I think

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<v Speaker 2>low skate mound erroneous perk for that, as well as

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<v Speaker 2>more refined landscapes, especially if you want to work specifically

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<v Speaker 2>with native species.

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<v Speaker 1>It's my stump of approval.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I said, one and a half to three

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<v Speaker 2>Winner's Color choice dot com. Creating's gardening friends, and welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where it is our

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<v Speaker 2>pleasure to help you with your gardening questions, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know they're going to be coming in hot and heavy

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<v Speaker 2>in these next couple weeks. We've been putting out some

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<v Speaker 2>we've been filming some pruning videos to try to address

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<v Speaker 2>some of the questions that people are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>having very soon. And of course there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>information on our YouTube channel, so if you're already watching

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<v Speaker 2>us on YouTube, make sure you check out some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other content that we have there because there's a

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<v Speaker 2>very good possibility that we've answered some of your gardening

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<v Speaker 2>questions with something that's already in there. And of course

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<v Speaker 2>our website. And you know, again, if you need an

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<v Speaker 2>answer right away, because we can't answer every question on radio,

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<v Speaker 2>we only have a few minutes to do this, please

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<v Speaker 2>do right into proven Winners dot com. You will always

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<v Speaker 2>get a personalized answer from one of our horticulturists giving

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<v Speaker 2>you the help that you need.

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<v Speaker 1>And wow, is pruning a big one?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember if you need to know one piece of

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<v Speaker 2>advice for pruning when in doubt, don't prune, don't do

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<v Speaker 2>it just win in doubt, don't So if you're out

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<v Speaker 2>there you're wondering, we get some nice weather, which we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be having here finally in Michigan, you

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<v Speaker 2>might want to say, I'm gonna get a head start

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<v Speaker 2>and do some work, win and out, don't prune, just

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out first, and then you can go back

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<v Speaker 2>and fix your things. But you know, we still have

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<v Speaker 2>the enduring mystery of this, Stephen Mary, great Myrtle, who

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<v Speaker 2>done it? Our listeners are dying to know if Stephen

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<v Speaker 2>Mary have a reaction to our suggestions. So Stephen Mary,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are hearing this, please do right now us

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<v Speaker 2>back I did not see your message in there, or

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<v Speaker 2>leave a comment on YouTube and let us know how

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<v Speaker 2>it's going, because we have people very invested in your mystery,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have people who are writing in with some

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<v Speaker 2>some ideas of their own. So our listener Elyssa says

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<v Speaker 2>she loves the show. She looks forward to it. She says,

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<v Speaker 2>we bring joy to her week, which is so sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>But she says she was listening to the episode on

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<v Speaker 2>moving plants and wanted to comment on and sympathize with

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<v Speaker 2>the listener. With the crape myrtles, she says, I've also

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<v Speaker 2>had bunnies just chew off the branches and leave them

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<v Speaker 2>scattershot on the ground, so maybe it was a rabbit,

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<v Speaker 2>although she said nothing as large as what you've described

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<v Speaker 2>in the episode. Her most recent victims were four young

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<v Speaker 2>hazel nut shobs, so sad, I love hazel nuts, the

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<v Speaker 2>plants and the nuts. She says, I've included a photo

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<v Speaker 2>you can see how much height they cut back, and

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<v Speaker 2>she says I was devastated, and honestly I would have

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<v Speaker 2>been less mad if they'd at least eaten them. The

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<v Speaker 2>jerks just left them strewn and said flowers and well

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<v Speaker 2>and all. And then she wisely ends gardening is no

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<v Speaker 2>for the faint hearted. And I feel you on that, Alyssa,

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<v Speaker 2>because I this reminded me that in my succulent garden,

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<v Speaker 2>the rabbits I have Alium spherrocephalon and the drumstick Alium

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<v Speaker 2>lovely plant.

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<v Speaker 3>I just love it, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those it's one of the sea through plants.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take up a lot of space, it just

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<v Speaker 2>adds height. It's gorgeous. And once they start butting out

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<v Speaker 2>and growing in my garden, the rabbits do bite them

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<v Speaker 2>down and then they go, oh, crad, this tastes terrible,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they leave it on the ground. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>spit it out, which is you know, one of the things,

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<v Speaker 2>so they don't spit it. They just like start to

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<v Speaker 2>munch it and then they're like, wait, this does not

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<v Speaker 2>taste good, and then yeah, they just leave it and

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<v Speaker 2>there's nothing, of course they can do at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, rabbits do sometimes do that. But overall, I

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<v Speaker 2>do still believe that the crape myrtle, the branches that

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<v Speaker 2>they cut into just seemed a little too thick for

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit damage.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's something we see here in the north

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<v Speaker 1>every year also around this time of the year, not rabbits,

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<v Speaker 1>but quirrels, especially on spruce trees where the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>those tender buds the sap is moving through the branches.

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<v Speaker 1>They give a little chew like you the word you

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<v Speaker 1>used was scattershot all over the ground.

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<v Speaker 3>That was Alyssa's word.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and you'll see that, thank you, Alyssa. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that on the ground with spruce branch tips do.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's all sorts of things right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They're showing at the maples to get the sap that's

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<v Speaker 2>running and so then you're like, whoa, why is my

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<v Speaker 2>maple dropping all these flower buds?

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<v Speaker 3>But no, it's just squirrels.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maple will get an answer for this mystery at

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<v Speaker 1>some point. Sure would be nice to know. Chris has

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<v Speaker 1>a quick question that's a follow up to our recent

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<v Speaker 1>show about moving plants. You mentioned moving a pawpaw tree.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I understand, you're supposed to cut around the

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<v Speaker 1>tree a season ahead to cut the rhizome roots. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if you didn't mention that or I missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I mentioned that, but if I didn't, thank you, Chris.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that because I think that's wise with trees

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<v Speaker 1>that you're going to try to move against. Stacy, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe people should sharpen their shovels, have a nice sharp

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<v Speaker 1>edge on it, and Chris, you're right, it makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense to me to do that, to create

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<v Speaker 1>some hair roots at the point where you've cut the

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<v Speaker 1>roots and intend to move it at some point. The

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<v Speaker 1>tough conundrum, so to speak, is how far out from

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<v Speaker 1>the trunk do you cut?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would basically say the canopy line. I

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<v Speaker 2>would agree with you, you know, if you can, but

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<v Speaker 2>that could be a pretty big ball that could well

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<v Speaker 2>and you don't necessarily. So basically what this is is

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<v Speaker 2>the concept of root pruning. So you're going all around

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<v Speaker 2>the plant that you're especially a tree that you're intending

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<v Speaker 2>to move, and again, by severing those roots, the plant

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<v Speaker 2>is then going to concentrate additional root growth into this

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<v Speaker 2>prospective root ball, and then that just helps it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of undergo that transplanting process a little bit easier. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a very good thing to do if you have the

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<v Speaker 2>foresights in time to do that. Of course we don't

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<v Speaker 2>all have that time.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Would in many cases leave you quite a very large

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<v Speaker 2>root ball. But you know, what else can you do?

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<v Speaker 2>If you're going to move a big tree, You might

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<v Speaker 2>just need to have a pizza party with some friends, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what you do. You get a big darp and

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<v Speaker 1>you do that. And coming from the garden center industry,

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<v Speaker 1>there were a lot of fertilizer companies stacy that would

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<v Speaker 1>recommend a liquid fertilizer when you make those cuts into

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<v Speaker 1>the roots. Many of these were like a vitamin B

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<v Speaker 1>twelve or whatever. I'm not endorsing that. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I'd have to do more research on that,

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<v Speaker 1>but you will see a lot of that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's probably something that can't necessarily hurt, but may

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<v Speaker 2>not live up to its promises.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I have to dig in a little deeper on

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<v Speaker 1>that one.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Sunshine writes Hi, Rick and Stacey love your show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm struggling with three trees. One in my south sideyard,

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<v Speaker 1>two in my parkway, all three of Cleveland pairs.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh.

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<v Speaker 1>We planted them in twenty twenty because they gave four

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<v Speaker 1>seasons of interest, but this was before I found out

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<v Speaker 1>recently how invasive they are, and we want to remove

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<v Speaker 1>and replace them. The only other tree I can think

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<v Speaker 1>of to use to get the four seasons of interest

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<v Speaker 1>we want is Autumn Brilliance service Berry And I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to give a big thumbs up and kudos to that suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see what Stacy has to say written. She writes, here,

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<v Speaker 1>I've read they aren't great with road salt. Are there

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<v Speaker 1>any other trees that you'd recommend for our parkway that

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<v Speaker 1>can provide four seasons of interest? Can hold up to

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<v Speaker 1>road salt bonus points for beautiful fall color?

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<v Speaker 2>And she says no seated maples or dwarf trees or

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<v Speaker 2>anything that drops messy fruit. So you know, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, what do you call that? So

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<v Speaker 2>this concept of parkways, what do you call that space?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know that term parkways?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I always called it the easement, but everyone in my

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood calls it a parkway.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends on what part of the country you're in.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people, I think would call it a parkway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well this was like, this is a relatively new

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<v Speaker 2>term for me. But in any case, that's what means.

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<v Speaker 1>If you stick something in the ground there, odds are

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's going to come along and pull it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that can happen with the parkway too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I so, yes, I agree that service Berry is

601
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<v Speaker 2>an ideal all purpose replacement for Bradford pairs. So Sunshine

602
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<v Speaker 2>referred to them as Cleveland pears. That's just a specific

603
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<v Speaker 2>cultivar of Bradford pair, but it's all calorie pair, Bradford pair,

604
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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland pair, all the same thing. So I do think

605
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<v Speaker 2>service Bury is a stellar replacement for all of these

606
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<v Speaker 2>invasive pairs because it flowers at a similar time, it's native,

607
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<v Speaker 2>it has great fall color, you can actually eat the fruit,

608
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<v Speaker 2>it's delicious, you will have to be fighting the birds

609
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<v Speaker 2>off for it. And it's just a beautiful, elegant, easy

610
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<v Speaker 2>to grow treat. So when I was looking it up,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not see anything that says that they're particularly

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<v Speaker 2>salt sensitive. And I do want to mention that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>road salt, the salts that they use on roads if

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<v Speaker 2>you live in a cold climate, has changed a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, way back in the seventies and eighties, the

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<v Speaker 2>road salt that they used was absolutely catastrophic to.

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<v Speaker 1>Planets cool stuff. Now they're mixing in stuff like beet juice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's all sorts of different things that they do,

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<v Speaker 2>and so road salt is definitely not as problematic as

620
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us tend to think that it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's certainly plants that are extremely sensitive to salt, and

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<v Speaker 2>you would want to avoid them. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that the issue of what they use nowadays

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be as big a problem for a

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<v Speaker 2>service barrier. Amalank here And the other thing you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know about road salt is as long as you

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<v Speaker 2>are getting sufficient rainfall and or you have irrigation, those

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<v Speaker 2>salts leach out of the soil quite easily. So it

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<v Speaker 2>becomes more of an issue if you aren't having good

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<v Speaker 2>rainfall or a droughty season. But overall, I wouldn't necessarily

632
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<v Speaker 2>let that scare you away from the service berry. But

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<v Speaker 2>I did want to write a couple of different options

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<v Speaker 2>that I thought about. You could try Cursus red bud.

635
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<v Speaker 2>That one does have some papery fruits, but they're not

636
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<v Speaker 2>really messy. They're not and they don't self sow like

637
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.039
<v Speaker 2>maple's do self sewing everywhere. You could try temple of

638
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:29.759
<v Speaker 2>bloom hepticodium sure, another great choice. Crusader hawthorn is a

639
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.880
<v Speaker 2>plant that is in the proven Winter's Color Choice Trees line.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a thornless hawthorn. It's native. It does have fruit,

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<v Speaker 2>but the birds will take care of those for you.

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, I do have kind of a left

643
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<v Speaker 2>field choice for you, and that is Persian spy your Parodia,

644
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<v Speaker 2>also known as Persian ironwood, And this is a beautiful

645
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<v Speaker 2>tree for fall color and it has amazing foliage. You're

646
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<v Speaker 2>not really gonna get the flowers. It does have quite

647
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<v Speaker 2>interesting flowers in late winter. They're brown and red and

648
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<v Speaker 2>I love them. But this is definitely one of those

649
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<v Speaker 2>tree replaced that your neighbors are not going to have,

650
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<v Speaker 2>and I think that most people would really really like.

651
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<v Speaker 2>So Persians by your Parodia should be on the market

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<v Speaker 2>a couple this year, but certainly increasing in the years

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<v Speaker 2>to come. We got to take a little break and

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified show Plants you Can't

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<v Speaker 1>Kill Episode. Let's take a look at some of these plants.

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<v Speaker 1>As promised Stacy, I have bamboo on my list. It

663
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<v Speaker 1>has a higher strength to wait ratio than steal and concrete.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty tough plant.

665
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you might wish you could kill it for some

666
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:58.799
<v Speaker 2>people who have planted bamboo. Not so much of an

667
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.279
<v Speaker 2>issue for us through the Midwest, but certainly in some

668
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:06.039
<v Speaker 2>milder climates bamboo can be a very problematic, so beautiful

669
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<v Speaker 2>and interesting plant.

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<v Speaker 1>There will be people out there dealing with weeds that

671
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.239
<v Speaker 1>will bemoan ground ivy, which is in the mint family.

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00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Many times, you know it's in the mint family when

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<v Speaker 1>it has a square stem. Or if you're trying to

674
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.280
<v Speaker 1>grow one of these cool seasoned grasses here in the

675
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 1>North and you get bermuda grass, that's another grass that

676
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>it feels like you can't kill it. Aga podium, Lily

677
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.880
<v Speaker 1>of the Valley. I'm gonna say Lily of the Valley

678
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>and then send your cards, emails and letters saying, Rick,

679
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.400
<v Speaker 1>don't say Lily of the Valley. But that's a plant

680
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.559
<v Speaker 1>you talked about day lilies. I'm going to talk about lily.

681
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can't kill it.

682
00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I do you know, I have, as I've talked about

683
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 2>on the show before, a personal connection to that plant.

684
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.840
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's a nightmare if you don't want it.

685
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 2>It is an absolute nightmare.

686
00:34:54.280 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, violets, adventitious roots, seed pockets underneath the foliage, glossy

687
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>foliage that repels herbicide. I'm just saying that violets are

688
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:11.800
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people a plant you can't kill, but.

689
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 2>They're so lovely. And I'll tell you, if you have

690
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:19.639
<v Speaker 2>the good fortune of seeing a baby bunny munching of

691
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:21.519
<v Speaker 2>violets in your yard, you.

692
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 3>Will be very glad it's there. It's really just a delight.

693
00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a terrible person now, No.

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00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 3>It's you know.

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00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.679
<v Speaker 2>I know people hate lawn violets, and if you're trying

696
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<v Speaker 2>to grow a beautiful, consistent.

697
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 3>Lawn, yeah, they would definitely be problematic.

698
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<v Speaker 2>But I love the color of violets, and because I

699
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.679
<v Speaker 2>have a high tolerance for a bit of weediness, if

700
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 2>you know the plant has an esthetic trade off, I'll

701
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>tolerate some violets in my lawn.

702
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. We're in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, let's go down this route. Yuka oof. Yeah, any

704
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 1>plant that has a real fibrous nature to it, I

705
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.000
<v Speaker 1>think is tough to kill. I've got potentila on the

706
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:07.079
<v Speaker 1>list only because it's so hardy. Chives carracs helibores. I

707
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.920
<v Speaker 1>had chokeberry or Erronia on my list. Any plants that

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00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 1>grow in the Great Plains, as we mentioned, I'm not

709
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<v Speaker 1>going to say bar berry seedum's paeonies are tough to kill.

710
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>They are snap dragons, nepettas, junipers. Think about Opuntia prickly

711
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 1>pear cactus. You find that I looked it up here.

712
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<v Speaker 1>Opuntia is native to the lower forty eight states of

713
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<v Speaker 1>the United States.

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00:36:36.679 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>It grows all over here. You see it quite often.

715
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I have some in my garden and it is definitely

716
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>hard to kill, and we do manage it, but that's

717
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 2>not really a fun job because it is extremely spiny.

718
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 2>And my Apuncia in my garden is so happy that

719
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.880
<v Speaker 2>it also spreads by seed as well as spreading by

720
00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>its you know, foliage. But I love it. It's it's

721
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 2>just a cool plant.

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00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I do too. I love it. There's some people who

723
00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:03.920
<v Speaker 1>just can't stand it.

724
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Of course, you could kill apuntia if it was duet,

725
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 2>it would die pretty quickly within short short order, and.

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00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>Another one i'd throw again. Just talking about the characteristics

727
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.159
<v Speaker 1>of plants that are tough to kill. When you go

728
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<v Speaker 1>out to Cape cod and you look at Rosa rugosa,

729
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, and people will say, don't ever plant and

730
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:26.280
<v Speaker 1>it is. It's listed as an invasive plant. They call

731
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<v Speaker 1>it beach tornado or beach tomato because of the hips

732
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.039
<v Speaker 1>on the plant, and of course it spreads by suckers

733
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and the tomato shaped rose hips. Spiny, tough, durable plant.

734
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>So that gives you an idea. Again, I say, you

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<v Speaker 1>just take a look at where's it native to, what's

736
00:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 1>its reach, what's the root system like, and it's going

737
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.000
<v Speaker 1>to tell you a lot about how tough that plant is.

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<v Speaker 1>We got some male from Trish. Let's see. Trish says, Hello,

739
00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 1>Stacey and Rick, huge fan of your show. Thank you

740
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 1>very Ry Moltstrish, Southeast Pennsylvania, Zone seven A old six

741
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:09.159
<v Speaker 1>B I inherited a very steep slope forty degrees. Wow

742
00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>with our new home. It's densely covered by chameleon plant.

743
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy.

744
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:18.119
<v Speaker 2>So this is a plant that you can't kill, but

745
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.679
<v Speaker 2>wish that you could if you have it. This is

746
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 2>our third listener question from someone who is trying to

747
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 2>manage chameleon.

748
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh interspersed with pe andes azalea huge vibeburnum at the

749
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:36.559
<v Speaker 1>area's edge. So Trish sent along some photos the viburnum

750
00:38:36.599 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 1>successfully shades out the offender. The local extension office told

751
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>me the only option is to move. No. I threw

752
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 1>that the only option is to eradicate the chameleon plant

753
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>spray with roundup. I garden organically, not an option. I

754
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>broadcast a pre emergent last spring and cut back the

755
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.559
<v Speaker 1>plants before they set seeds. My question is can I

756
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>plant taprit plants like Baptisia euphobia to shade out the

757
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>chameleon plant over time? Professor Google is less than helpful.

758
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Mulch for any advice. So I

759
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:17.280
<v Speaker 1>like your sense of humus, theatrician. I have a solution

760
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.280
<v Speaker 1>for Trisha. Well you have well, because it's a forty

761
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>degree slope. I'd go to a store I would get

762
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I would not do the round up thing, and it's

763
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:27.599
<v Speaker 1>not going to work any It.

764
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't work, if that's what I was going to say too,

765
00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.079
<v Speaker 2>even if you were open to using herbicide, Trish, it

766
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:33.039
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work on that plant.

767
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:33.559
<v Speaker 3>It beads.

768
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:35.880
<v Speaker 2>So this is a semi aquatic plant. They sell it

769
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.480
<v Speaker 2>for use in ponds, and you try to put any

770
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of water on it, and all you're going to

771
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>have is beads, so it won't even work.

772
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you can add a spreader sticker, you could

773
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.679
<v Speaker 1>spray and fall where it's more effective than the top

774
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 1>kill you'd get in spring or summer. But I'm with you, Stacy,

775
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>I still don't think it's.

776
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Going to work, not completely.

777
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:57.280
<v Speaker 1>So a forty degree slope. My recommendation is you pull

778
00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 1>out the nice plants that you have in there, like

779
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>the aza or some of the other plants our episode

780
00:40:03.119 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Bust a Move, pull them out and then sacrifice the

781
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 1>area for a year. Get some heavy thick black plastic

782
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>with landscape pins, pin it to the ground and let

783
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the sun do the work and solarize the area.

784
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I have heard if you're looking at

785
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>the many nightmare stories of people who are trying to

786
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 2>deal with chameleon plant also known as houtuna, and it's

787
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:30.239
<v Speaker 2>also sold in Asian markets to.

788
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 3>Eat as fishment.

789
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes I read that.

790
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it is edible, but you would have to

791
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 2>eat an awful lot of it so you have any

792
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 2>effect on yours, And let me tell you you know,

793
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 2>we'll have Trish's pictures of course on YouTube. So you

794
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.199
<v Speaker 2>can catch them there or in the show notes. It's

795
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of whu tunia, and we've heard from other

796
00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>listeners who have had to deal with this plant. It's

797
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot, a lot that she's trying to deal with,

798
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 2>and I think that I've heard that even the solarizing is,

799
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, not a permanent solution. And basically you don't

800
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.360
<v Speaker 2>have to worry so much about the seeds of this plant.

801
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:05.639
<v Speaker 2>It's primarily spreading through its runners, and its runners are

802
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>conveniently brittle, so as you try to remove them, they break,

803
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and any little tiny piece that you have in there

804
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 2>is just going to turn into a new plant. So yeah,

805
00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 2>this thing is definitely a plant that you can't kill

806
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and will wish that.

807
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 3>You had now.

808
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Dryness will certainly help, but you can't really just suddenly

809
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 2>change the drainage on your slope. If you could somehow

810
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.280
<v Speaker 2>get more sun in there, I think that could help

811
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 2>potentially help as well, because that will obviously help the

812
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.039
<v Speaker 2>soil be less moist. And I don't necessarily think, as

813
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:36.519
<v Speaker 2>you'll see in the pictures, Trisha's vibranium is quite large

814
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and quite beautiful. I think you can still just you know,

815
00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of put if you want to do the solarization route,

816
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.840
<v Speaker 2>just kind of put it around those plants, you know,

817
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 2>not too close to their base and those should be fine,

818
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and then you can manage it. But yeah, I think

819
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 2>overall your best bet is probably going to be hand pulling.

820
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.760
<v Speaker 2>You might be able to look into whether there is

821
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 2>a pH level that they can't stand, either more acidic

822
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 2>or alkaline, and try changing the pH you know, putting

823
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>down lime or sulfur to change the pH and see

824
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>if that helps. But honestly, this is just one of

825
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>those plants that I really wanted to cover Trisha's question

826
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.039
<v Speaker 2>in this episode because it's it really is just that

827
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>hard to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and programming or editorial note I would make is

829
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<v Speaker 1>that if you go the solarization route, it's not a

830
00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:28.320
<v Speaker 1>situation where you put it on and two weeks later

831
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:30.920
<v Speaker 1>take it off. You are in for the long haul

832
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 1>in order to make this work, so at least a.

833
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<v Speaker 2>Year, and I would say in the case of Houtunia,

834
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you would probably want to go for maybe even two years.

835
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 2>But I wouldn't be surprised if this thing could pop

836
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:41.800
<v Speaker 2>through your plastic, you know, and it would be you

837
00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>would well, you want you don't want to use like

838
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>a stretchy kind of plastic. You want that really super

839
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 2>heavy duty landscape fabric. So that would be a lot

840
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 2>of work. But you know, and so we didn't answer

841
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>a question, which is whether planting deep, tap rooted plants

842
00:42:57.639 --> 00:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>like Baptisia and Euphorbia could help shade them out. I

843
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:03.400
<v Speaker 2>don't think it could hurt, you know, especially a baptisia

844
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.159
<v Speaker 2>because it is taller. So if you plant smaller perennials,

845
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 2>I think what's likely to happen is the hutunia is

846
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.079
<v Speaker 2>just gonna pop right up in the middle of them.

847
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>They're not likely to pop in the middle of baptizia,

848
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.119
<v Speaker 2>so that is one potential. Obviously she's seeing some success

849
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>with a vibern I'm shading out the hutunia in its vicinity,

850
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>so you could certainly try that. But I would also

851
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 2>anytime you're planting out there, or anytime you have some

852
00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>frustrations to get out, I would go out and dig,

853
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.599
<v Speaker 2>dig a little houtunia and just make sure you are

854
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:33.159
<v Speaker 2>burning it or you know, throwing it away. Do not

855
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 2>ever ever compost this, and don't give it to anybody else.

856
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Of Course, tric seems to know what a nightmare it is.

857
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 2>But just saying, all right, well.

858
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 1>Lily asks us, my Forcythia has not flowered for me

859
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>yet in zone five B six with this winter, I

860
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:54.159
<v Speaker 1>feel like it's zone four. Yes, I agree, Lily. It's

861
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.239
<v Speaker 1>in a south facing area and this will be its

862
00:43:56.280 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 1>third year that it's over wintered there. If it doesn't

863
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>flower this spring, what can I do? And I think

864
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>it's it's too early for cythy.

865
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, so she says that it hasn't flowered in it's

866
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.880
<v Speaker 2>in three years. Oh so she's consistently had an issue

867
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.400
<v Speaker 2>with it not flowering. And you know, always the number

868
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>one reason when a shrub isn't flowering, it's almost always

869
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 2>improper pruning. And basically what that means is it was

870
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 2>pruned at the wrong time. So forth, the earlier a

871
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>plant blooms in the season in spring, the more likely

872
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.039
<v Speaker 2>it is to have to bloom on old wood. So

873
00:44:32.079 --> 00:44:34.840
<v Speaker 2>basically what that means is that last spring, after the

874
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Forsythia bloomed or would have bloomed in Lily's case or

875
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe your case, it took a little rest and then

876
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:44.320
<v Speaker 2>it immediately started making its flower buds for the next year.

877
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's going to have those flower buds on it

878
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>basically June, July, August, you know, all the way through

879
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>the time that it blooms the following spring, and a

880
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people will do, you know, a fall prune

881
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 2>as they're kind of doing their garden cleanup, or they

882
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 2>will prune it in spring just thinking they're doing, you know,

883
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>a spring cleanup, And if you cut it either of

884
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>those times, you are cutting off the flower buds. It

885
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>has already made for that season. So the best time

886
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.719
<v Speaker 2>to prune, the only time to prune Forcythia without negatively

887
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 2>impacting the flowers is immediately after it flowers in spring.

888
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.559
<v Speaker 2>So if it's if it is a pruning issue, stop

889
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.599
<v Speaker 2>doing that. Your plant should be just fine. But also shade. Now,

890
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Forsythia is extremely shade tolerant, but of course the more

891
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 2>shade it's in, the less well it will flower.

892
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Well. Lily's saying here, it's on the south side in

893
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 1>zone five B, so I'm going to hope that it's

894
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>getting a fair amount of sun. But you are you

895
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 1>are correct, And I have seen with Forsythia in zone

896
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:46.280
<v Speaker 1>five B where if you get a lot of snow

897
00:45:47.079 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 1>above that snow line, the buds are lost, are lost, yeah,

898
00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:54.719
<v Speaker 1>fooded temperature and that can happen too. But you're right, Stacey,

899
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 1>this is saying three years.

900
00:45:56.880 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, so the winter. That's another good point.

901
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>And I did want to mention that Lily, and to

902
00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 2>anyone else who is maybe struggling with the same issue

903
00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:08.119
<v Speaker 2>for scythia. Is not all forcythias are the same. They

904
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 2>might all look the same when you see them in bloom,

905
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>but there's actually a lot of variation out there, different varieties,

906
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and there are some for Scythia that are not as

907
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.039
<v Speaker 2>hardy as others. And so depending on how you got this,

908
00:46:20.079 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 2>where you got this, when you got this, it might

909
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 2>not be as hardy as other varieties. Of course, unless

910
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>you kept the tag or there's still a tag somewhere

911
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.840
<v Speaker 2>on it, there's no way for you to really know that.

912
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 2>But I would say if it's still not flowering for you,

913
00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:36.679
<v Speaker 2>I would, and you know it's not a pruning issue,

914
00:46:36.719 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I'd consider moving it, you know. Sometimes, you know, as

915
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.320
<v Speaker 2>we talked about it in our moving show, there can

916
00:46:41.360 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 2>be different factors that you know, we don't know since

917
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>we aren't seeing a picture of the plant. So consider

918
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:48.519
<v Speaker 2>moving at this spring if you still don't see any flowers.

919
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.679
<v Speaker 2>But again, hopefully pruning is the answer, because that's the

920
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:53.360
<v Speaker 2>simplest solution.

921
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 1>Or take it out and replace it with a proven

922
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:56.559
<v Speaker 1>winner's variety.

923
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, hopefully that would.

924
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's certainly ours are nicer and denser in

925
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>the way that they bloom, but they still can't withstand

926
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 2>improper pruning, and ours are hardy to USCA zone five,

927
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:11.360
<v Speaker 2>So that does you know, usually it should be fine,

928
00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 2>especially for someone who's in like on the edge of

929
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:16.960
<v Speaker 2>five B and six, normally wouldn't be an issue, but

930
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, it does depend on on where you're located.

931
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:23.079
<v Speaker 2>But again, I'm hoping it's a pruney issue, because you know,

932
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>those are always frustrating for the people who said, Oh,

933
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 2>I thought I was doing the right thing by puning it.

934
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>But at least it's easy to solve.

935
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure. Roger asked, love your show, I plan to convert

936
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:35.000
<v Speaker 1>a portion of my Zone seven sunny lawn to a

937
00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 1>perennial bed. My plan is to first kill the grass

938
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:42.559
<v Speaker 1>with herbicide, then apply three inches of compost, then finally

939
00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:48.000
<v Speaker 1>transplant my grumpy perennials. He's saying it here, y perennials

940
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 1>now in part shade to full sun. Am I on

941
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:58.519
<v Speaker 1>the right track. Any recommendations, I would say that timing

942
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:02.159
<v Speaker 1>is everything, and if I were doing it, I would

943
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>use the solarization process on grass in August and then

944
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>make the move with the plants in September. But that's

945
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>just how I would do it. Can you spray with

946
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>an herbicide to kill it off? Absolutely, and the bottle

947
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:23.039
<v Speaker 1>will tell you how soon you can replant afterwards, and

948
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 1>it's usually pretty quickly. But you are correct in trying

949
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.679
<v Speaker 1>to get that grass taken care of first before we

950
00:48:29.719 --> 00:48:30.320
<v Speaker 1>do anything else.

951
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.159
<v Speaker 2>You don't want to start with grass in your bed.

952
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 2>I think you are on the right track. Roger. The

953
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:36.440
<v Speaker 2>only thing that I would add, and the reason that

954
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to specifically answer your question today, is that

955
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 2>before you spray herbicide, you should mow and put your

956
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 2>lower on. Put your mower on the lowest setting. Usually

957
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 2>Rick is always like put it high. Make sure that

958
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:52.079
<v Speaker 2>that grass is shading itself out. So if you want

959
00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:54.320
<v Speaker 2>a good looking lawn, I would say, lower your deck

960
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.440
<v Speaker 2>as low as it can go so that you're nearly

961
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 2>scalping your lawn, and then put your herbicide on because

962
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 2>it's going to make it a lot more effective and

963
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 2>really help to kill those roots. Because of course, as

964
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 2>the grass comes out, you know it can be difficult

965
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 2>to manage it with herbicide because grass is fairly narrow,

966
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.599
<v Speaker 2>but by scalping it you're going to get that immediate

967
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>So mow it really low, immediately, spray your herbicide, let

968
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 2>it die, then put down your compost, and then I

969
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 2>think you can plant if you want, and if you

970
00:49:24.760 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 2>can't wait until fall, I think it's perfectly fine to

971
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>do this in spring urine zone seven. So actually your

972
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 2>time to do this is probably not that far off.

973
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Roger, you're setting an example for people because you're recognizing

974
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>these grumpy perennials need to move, they need more sunshine.

975
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>So kudos to you for being willing to bust that move.

976
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Randy Wright, Stacey, and Rick, I'm truly ready for spring

977
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and summer. I have two of your lo and behold

978
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:56.199
<v Speaker 1>blue chip, dwarf, butterfly bush lovely plants. I agree. I'm

979
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>curious when to or should I trim them back for

980
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.079
<v Speaker 1>the spring In summer, when should I fertilize them? I

981
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.440
<v Speaker 1>noticed roughly two weeks ago on one of them, they

982
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:10.039
<v Speaker 1>had already started leafing out. Should I do anything to

983
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>it now? And Stacy, we addressed this last week in

984
00:50:13.400 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the Lavender Show about how folks have lots of questions

985
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.440
<v Speaker 1>on pruning both lavender and bud leans.

986
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

987
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:25.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I always try to tell people when

988
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.960
<v Speaker 2>they ask about pruning, No plant strictly needs pruning, but

989
00:50:29.079 --> 00:50:32.639
<v Speaker 2>in many cases spending the time to prune will give

990
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you a much better looking plant. It will give you

991
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:38.159
<v Speaker 2>a better bloom. And to me, butterfly bush falls firmly

992
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:42.079
<v Speaker 2>in that category. If you don't prune butterfly bush, what

993
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 2>happens is they get very tall. So even a dwarf

994
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:48.880
<v Speaker 2>variety like low and behold will get taller. And they

995
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>don't flower all over. They only flower at the tippy top.

996
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 2>And so you don't get like if you look at

997
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.320
<v Speaker 2>the pictures on our plant bags or on our website,

998
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.480
<v Speaker 2>or certainly what you're going to be seeing here on YouTube,

999
00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 2>you can see they're beautiful. They're justlowers and you're not

1000
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:03.840
<v Speaker 2>going to get that look unless you prune them. And

1001
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 2>if you don't believe me, take a walk around your neighborhood.

1002
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Everyone has like that one house in their neighborhood that's

1003
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.199
<v Speaker 2>not very well taken care of, you know, or it's

1004
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 2>like a rental and no one ever does anything.

1005
00:51:14.719 --> 00:51:16.360
<v Speaker 3>And if you see a butterfly.

1006
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Bush that's like eight feet tall with just a few

1007
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 2>sparse flowers at the top, you know that is an

1008
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>unprune butterfly bush.

1009
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, and Stacy, as you know, I'm a runner, so

1010
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I run through neighborhoods and to keep myself occupied, I

1011
00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.199
<v Speaker 1>mentally score homes as i'm running back.

1012
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 3>So watch out if he's running in your neighborhood.

1013
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you have proven winners color choice shrubs

1014
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 1>in your yard, you automatically get bonus points. Oh I

1015
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 1>like this all right, there's no prize.

1016
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 2>In Watch Out West Michigan. So yes, you should prune them.

1017
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to, but I think you'll be much

1018
00:51:50.159 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 2>happier with the result, and they should be pruned in spring.

1019
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 2>So uh, this is a case where much like the lavender, Yes,

1020
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 2>you should wait until the plant tell you where it

1021
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.159
<v Speaker 2>wants to be cut back. So once you see that

1022
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.280
<v Speaker 2>new foliage starting to emerge, you just want to cut

1023
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>above where a very large, healthy bud is emerging. And

1024
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.199
<v Speaker 2>with a butterfly bush, I would recommend that you cut

1025
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 2>back pretty much as far as you can. Don't just

1026
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.480
<v Speaker 2>cut off like a couple of inches, go to where

1027
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:21.079
<v Speaker 2>those lowest buds are emerging, and cut just above those,

1028
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.800
<v Speaker 2>because that will really help you to keep that nice tidy,

1029
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:28.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, very floriferous shape. And don't worry really that

1030
00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.519
<v Speaker 2>one of them seems to be leafing out and the

1031
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 2>others don't. I see this with butterfly bush all the time.

1032
00:52:33.679 --> 00:52:36.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, even here where everything's in the same conditions

1033
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.599
<v Speaker 2>and being expertly taken care of, there must just be

1034
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like some very subtle microclimates that we can't pick up on,

1035
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:45.039
<v Speaker 2>where one plant seems to, you know, leaf out much

1036
00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 2>earlier than its neighbors, even though they're all the same variety.

1037
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>But just wait until you see that new growth, then

1038
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and cut them. If you want to fertilize them,

1039
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:57.199
<v Speaker 2>one application in early spring should be sufficient. The general

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<v Speaker 2>purpose fertilizer I recommend for shrubs is a rose fertilizer,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can use whatever you have. It's not that

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00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:06.840
<v Speaker 2>big of a deal. And then that's all. Then you

1043
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:08.880
<v Speaker 2>just have to wait and then once the heat comes

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00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>on you know June July you'll have a fully blooming

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00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:13.639
<v Speaker 2>butterfly bush again.

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<v Speaker 3>Deb Rights.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm moving to a cul de sac in April, so

1048
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.400
<v Speaker 2>we call that a court usually here in Michigan. And

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00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the road in front of the road I'm moving to

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00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:23.119
<v Speaker 2>is full of trees. I think it's disappointing that the

1051
00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>road I'm moving to has no trees and most of

1052
00:53:26.039 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the front gardens or parkways have been changed to off

1053
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:29.800
<v Speaker 2>road parking.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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00:53:30.480 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 2>How can I gather community spirit and get each house

1056
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.079
<v Speaker 2>to plant a small patio tree and have pots and flowers.

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00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that it can't be a tree lined road,

1058
00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 2>as there's limited space for cars, but that doesn't mean

1059
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 2>there can't be small potted trees, flowers and more green

1060
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I would like to have a road that people talk

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00:53:47.000 --> 00:53:49.159
<v Speaker 2>about how pretty it is, a road that gives a

1062
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>real community feel and supports wildlife. Can you help?

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00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we're not psychologists. I do want to say

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00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.880
<v Speaker 2>this is like a group psy call it question, and

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00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything about psychology.

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<v Speaker 1>Have have a block party? I would start by having

1068
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.280
<v Speaker 1>a block party, and a cul de sac is the

1069
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 1>perfect place to have a block party. Yeah, so if

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00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you get the neighbors together. That's a place to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two. So I live on a cul de sac

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<v Speaker 1>and when I moved into the house, the yard had

1073
00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:32.159
<v Speaker 1>been neglected, and the neighbors were all watching me because

1074
00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I got in there and I started tearing stuff out,

1075
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 1>pulling stuff out, and started planting like crazy, and the

1076
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 1>cannas started coming up, and people started ringing the doorbell

1077
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>asking what's that plant? And what's that plant? And pretty

1078
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 1>soon most of the neighbors started doing the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I think that is really the key

1080
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.320
<v Speaker 2>is you have to set an example. And once people

1081
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.360
<v Speaker 2>start to see that, like, oh wow, what deb did

1082
00:55:03.719 --> 00:55:05.920
<v Speaker 2>looks really great. I don't see her out there slaving

1083
00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>over it every single day, so you know, it doesn't

1084
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 2>seem like it's that hard. I think you set the

1085
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:13.800
<v Speaker 2>example first, and then as you get to know your

1086
00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.719
<v Speaker 2>neighbors more and more, you can kind of say, have

1087
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:19.000
<v Speaker 2>you ever thought about this? And I think the important

1088
00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 2>thing to remember for gardening is when you're a gardener,

1089
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:25.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, you have all that enthusiasm, but it took

1090
00:55:25.519 --> 00:55:27.519
<v Speaker 2>you time to get there. You may have had some

1091
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of natural inclination towards gardening, but it takes a

1092
00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 2>long time to start to acquire the knowledge and experience

1093
00:55:34.719 --> 00:55:38.039
<v Speaker 2>and awareness of plants that you have, and most people

1094
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 2>don't have that. So it's not necessarily from a lack

1095
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:43.760
<v Speaker 2>of wanting to do it. It's from a lack of

1096
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.360
<v Speaker 2>not knowing where to start. Yeah, and or not a

1097
00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:50.920
<v Speaker 2>lack of just not knowing where to start. And you know, Deb,

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00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.199
<v Speaker 2>if you have that idea and can kind of be

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00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:56.519
<v Speaker 2>that leader for people, you know, by having this example

1100
00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and saying, hey, if you would like to do this too.

1101
00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I got this at so and So's garden center,

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00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.280
<v Speaker 2>which is, you know, a couple miles away. Here's some

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00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>other plants that you could try. You know, again, I

1104
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>would assume I would. The best thing that you can

1105
00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:12.199
<v Speaker 2>do anytime you have to have a difficult situation like

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00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:15.039
<v Speaker 2>this is just assume that the other people have a

1107
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>good intent and are open to your suggestions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Deb, I would suggest to you again, living

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00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.559
<v Speaker 1>on the cul de Sac, that I do. That's what

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00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:27.079
<v Speaker 1>I started doing, and neighbors really got into it, and

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00:56:27.239 --> 00:56:31.079
<v Speaker 1>pretty soon they're growing cannas and they're growing ornamental grasses,

1112
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 1>and they're asking me questions and people just kind of

1113
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:38.880
<v Speaker 1>get into it, and I would share with you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've shared this before on the show that in the

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00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:46.519
<v Speaker 1>garden center industry, we knew that people need that inspiration,

1116
00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:49.639
<v Speaker 1>and so we'd take a few employees and have them

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00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 1>take the store uniform off and put them in civilian clothes,

1118
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and then you put some nice plants on a shopping

1119
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 1>cart and just tell them to go walking around. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be amazed. People are like, what's that plan? What's

1121
00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:03.320
<v Speaker 1>that plan? Where'd you get that plan? You had?

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00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.239
<v Speaker 3>Shopping ringers?

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<v Speaker 1>Shopping ringers? It works.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad to hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true people, we're just inspiring people.

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00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people need some inspiration, and debit sounds like you

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00:57:14.800 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 2>are ready to be that inspiration, and you know, I

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00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.639
<v Speaker 2>think it's yeah. I think you can do it. Find

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00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>some photos maybe on Pinterest or online about you know,

1130
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:28.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of what you are hoping to achieve, and and slowly,

1131
00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I think once people see the payoff, they should they

1132
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 2>should come around. But yeah, they have to see how

1133
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:37.559
<v Speaker 2>great it is first. Sometimes you do need to to

1134
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:41.079
<v Speaker 2>lead by example and show them rather than tell them.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to be great.

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<v Speaker 1>I call it exam.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were going to say that that's why

1138
00:57:44.800 --> 00:57:48.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't say it myself, all right.

1139
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<v Speaker 3>So with that, I want to thank you Rick, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to thank all of our listeners who wrote in,

1141
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 2>and all of your listeners out there, and of course

1142
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much to Adriana for doing all of

1143
00:57:57.639 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 2>this great work.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 2>Through this entire episode, I want to make clear to

1146
00:58:04.159 --> 00:58:06.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody she has absolutely been a part of the laughter.

1147
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Even if you can't hear her, she's back there trying

1148
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:11.639
<v Speaker 2>to keep it under wrap, so she's not just like

1149
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 2>staring at us sternly. So anyway, thanks to all of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you have an absolutely wonderful week ahead. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you next week.