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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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We're gonna pick up where we left off with the

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Sarah Ransom deposition, so let's get back to it. Menager.

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How long did you stay on the island during this

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first trip? Ransom? A few days? Menager? Was it a

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week or two days? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager. Apart

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from redacted and redacted, Jeffrey and yourself, is there anyone

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else you recall being on that first trip, mister Gergis

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Objection Ransom on that particular first trip, I can't remember.

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I just remember redacted, redacted, Jeffrey, myself on the first trip. Manager,

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when you got to the island, was there anyone else there? Ransom? Yes?

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There was a lovely couple from Zimbabwe somewhere in Africa.

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I think they were either South African or from Zimbabwe.

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But they were a really lovely middle aged couple. Chef

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like staff, really nice staff on the island. Manager, any

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other guests, No, not the first trip. Manager. Did you

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engage in any sexual acts with Jeffrey Epstein on your

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first trip? Ransom? Yes? Manager. What happened? Gerghis Objection Ransom?

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It was I had to give him a massage in

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his bedroom manager, And how did that come about? Ransom?

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So the entire basics were explained to me. There's this

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wealthy dude, this philanthropist, loves women, loves getting massages, and

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this was a nice way to make extra cash, which

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is great. I got to the island. Oh, I was

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made to massage Jeffrey on the plane. Sorry, that's where

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I gave my first massage to Jeffrey. So my first

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massage started with him on the plane with his feet

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and his hands. On that trip I was I had

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to give him other massages like legs, arms, feet, hands, head, shoulders,

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and it wasn't straight away, but they got more sexual.

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Then I was called to his bedroom manager. Okay, I

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just want to make sure we're talking about the same timeframe.

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There was a massage you gave on the plane on

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the way down there, Ransom, Yes, Menager, that was not sexual. Ransom,

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that was not sexual, No, Menager, was that before or

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after he was having sex with redacted in the open

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bed in the plane area? Ransom? It was before. It

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was before they had sex because we all fell asleep, Menager. Okay,

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And then how did the massage come about? Ransom on

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the island or Menager, No on the plane, just on

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the plane, Ransom. Jeffrey asked me in a massage, the Menager.

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So you were asleep and Jeffrey woke you up. McCauley objection, Ransom.

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When we first got on the plane, we sat down,

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you know, like when you first get on an airplane,

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you settle in, and Chad and Chad and Chad and

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I massaged them, and then it was after that we

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kind of all fell asleep. And then I woke up

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and I saw Jeffrey n redacted Meninger, Okay, Ransom. So

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in that effect, I was probably sitting I was facing

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the bed, Menager. You were rear facing Ransom. Yeah, Menager,

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Can I just hand you back defendants Exhibit one? Is

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it still in your recollection the same place? Ransom. Yeah.

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We switched seats a few times, Menager. So where was

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Jeffrey when you gave him the massage on the airplane, Ransom?

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He was. He was seated at the front manager in

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front of where you were, Ransom. We weren't really all

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seated throughout the entire duration of the flight. So as

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soon as the flight took up, we took our seat

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belts off and kind of moved around freely. Because it's

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not a commercial flight. You can do that on a

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private plane, So we weren't in our seats the whole

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entire time. There was a lot of moving around Menainger. Okay,

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can you just draw on the defendants Exhibit one where

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he was when you gave him a massage? Ransom. I

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can't remember specifically on the seat or where I was

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facing that I gave Jeffrey as massage, So I'm not

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comfortable putting something because that's speculating. Menager. Do you have

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a general area at all? Was it in the front area? Ransom?

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The general area? The general area here is at the

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front of the plane and then the bed at the

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back of the plane, Manager, So which of those two

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general areas was the massage? Ransom? So the massage was

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at the front, because I didn't give it to him

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on the bed. It was in the front of the plane.

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I don't remember what specific seat plan I gave him

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a massage, Meninger. Was he wearing clothes Ransom, yes, Menager

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during the whole massage Ransom, during the whole massage, yes, Menager.

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What was he wearing ransom. I don't remember, Menager. Did

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he have on shoes? Ransom, Yes, he had on shoes

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when he walked onto the plane, but then he took

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his shoes off to have the massage, Menager. And do

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you recall what he said when he asked you to

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give him a massage? Ransom? Yes, he asked me to

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massage his feet and massage him. Menager. Were you surprised

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by that request? Ransom? No, Menager? Why not ransom? Because

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Radakta told me that he liked to get massages from

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girls and that he paid them for him. Mener. Did

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he pay you for that massage on the plane? Ransom? No, Menager.

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Did you expect them to ransom? Well, it was. It

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was the beginning of the trip, so I'm hardly going

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to I don't really know you. Can you please pay me?

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It's not something you really discuss. I don't think it's

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not really appropriate. It's not very business like Menager. And

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you were clothed during the massage on the plane Ransom, yes, Menager.

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Where was the second massage ransom on his island? Menager?

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Where on the island? Ransom? So the second time I

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massaged them was probably on It was I was then

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asked to massage them again later that day, to massage

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him again in the open plan seating area on the island. Menager,

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who asked you to do that? Ransom? Redacted? Menager? So

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redacted was on the island? Answer? Yes, Menager? Did she

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travel with you? Ransom? Not all. I can't remember specifically

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who who is traveling with us. I can't say that

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I one hundred percent remember her on that first flight.

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I don't. I can't visually see her there, but I

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know that she traveled with us pretty much every time

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with Jeffrey. She traveled everywhere with Jeffrey Meninger. How many

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times did you go to the island ransom several? Menager?

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How many? Ransom? Several? Several times. There were multiple occasions

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that I went to the island, Menager three times? Ransom

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several several. I can't remember how many times specifically, Menager.

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I understand you don't have a specific answer. Ransom, yeah, Menainger.

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Do you believe it was more than ten times? Ransom?

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I don't think it was as much as ten times. No,

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maybe a little bit less, but not that many. Menager.

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Do you know how many times you went on the

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private plane versus a commercial plane Ransom. I flew both,

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so I can't remember how many times I did commercial,

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how many times I did private? I mean it was

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I know that I did fly commercially at some times

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when the plane wasn't available, Menager. And the total number

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of trips to the island you think was less than

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ten times, mister Gergis objection, Ransom, there was several times.

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I'm not sure if it was more than ten. I

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don't know the accurate number. It was several times, Menager.

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Did you go through any type of passport control when

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you went to the island at all? Ransom? No, they

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didn't check passports. Oh, I bet you they didn't. If

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you want to have underage girls come in, can't be

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checking passports, now, can you? Menager? How did you get

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from where the plane landed to the island? Ransom? Jeffrey speedboat? Menager?

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Was that the only method? Ransom? Also a helicopter? Menager?

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Who flew the helicopter? Ransom? I don't a guy, Menager?

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Was he cute? Gergis objection? Ransom? I don't remember. Gurgis objection.

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And I direct the witness not to answer, Menager. I'm

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learning about super yachting. I thought I would find out

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about the helicopter gergis. I thought you were going to

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ask if he was taller than six feet or less

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than six feet. I thought that was the next series

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of questions, Menager. So you said the second massage you

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gave Jeffrey was on the island the same day you

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flew down there the first time. Ransom, yes, Menager. And

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it was in the open plan area. Ransom yes. Manager,

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And you recall redacted being the one to ask you

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to give the massage. Ransom. We were all sitting there socially,

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Jeffrey asked me, and that wasn't a sexual massage in

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the seating area on the island. The second massage, he

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was still training me to massage, so my standards weren't

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quite high enough. Manager, How did he train you to

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massage them? Ransom? He let the girl's massage me in

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front of him. He showed me how to because his

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body is full of notts so and he likes his

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massage really hard. So when you really push on those

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knots that he has, you have to be quite firm

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with him. Manager. So he told you that he liked

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what he liked ransom. Yes. Yeah, and some of the

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other girls, sorry redacted, showed me how he liked his massages. Menager.

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Was he clothed during the second massage Ransom? Yes? Manager?

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Were you clothed Ransom? Yes? Menager. Did any sexual contact

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occur on the second massage Ransom? No, Menager. When do

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you recall there being a third massage ransom the next day? Menager?

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And what happened that gave rise to the third massage Ransom?

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I was called to Jeffrey's bedroom to massage, Menager? Who

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called you ransom? I don't want to speculate, so I

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can't remember specifically who called me, Menager. Okay, so the

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third person you don't recall, ransom, It was a female.

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It was either redacted or redacted. So I can't remember

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which of the two that called me, because they called

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me many times during the duration of my trip, Menager.

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So when you say they called me, what does that

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mean ransom? They come up to me and say, please

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go to Jeffrey's bedroom and massage Jeffrey. He is waiting

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for you, Menager. What time of day was it, Ransom,

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I think it was. I can't remember what specific time

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of day it was. Menager, can you describe the island

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for me? Were there more than one building on it? Ransom? Yeah,

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there were multiple buildings. You had the main house, you

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had certain accommodation areas where the girls sit. There were

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a various buildings around the island where he used to

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have all him and his other guests, like beds and beds,

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like little shelter things where him and his guests used

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to have sex with the girls, like beds set up

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for instant sexual entertainment. So Menager on a beach area, Ransom,

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all over the island, all over the island. So if

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you go on one of his squad bikes and do

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a tour of his island, which I'm sure you guys

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have done, you will see multiple buildings around the island. Manager.

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And where were you staying during this first trip, Ransom?

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I was staying in one of the guest houses that redacted,

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the main guest house that all the girls shared. Menager.

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Were you staying in your own room? Ransom? No, Menager,

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who are you sharing a room with? Ransom? Redacted? I

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think redacted slept in the bungalow. She didn't stay per se.

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She was explained to be Jeffrey Epstein's girlfriend at the time, Menainger,

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When you were asked to give Jeffrey a massage on

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the third occasion by a female, do you recall what

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words were used? Ransom. I can't remember the exact words, no,

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but I was. It was generally it was, can you

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please go and give Jeffrey It's kind of like your

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turn type of thing. Menainger. Did you know where his

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bedroom was? Ransom? I was shown to his bedroom. Menager.

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Who showed you to his bedroom? Ransom? I can't remember

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who showed me to his bedroom? Menager? All right, tell

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me what happened during the third massage, Ransom. So I

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went into Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom. His bedroom is like ice cold.

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It's always ice cold. He likes his bedroom very well

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air conditioned. There was a massage table laid out in

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his bedroom. He asked me to undress and that he

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wanted to give me a massage, and he asked me

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to lay down on the table. He then started touching

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my body. I was. I was. It didn't start off

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as a sexual massage. It was just, you know, it

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was just doing a normal massage, and then he started

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to touch me. He touched my vaginal region, and he

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touched me all over. Meninger. Were you draped with a towel? Ransom, no,

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Menainger for no part of the massage, Ransom for the

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I can't remember, Meninger. Was anyone else present in the

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room Ransom, No, Menager. And after he started touching you

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while you were on the table, did you give him

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a massage? Ransom. I can't remember the specific sequence of events,

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but I remember the third massage. It wasn't for Jeffrey,

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it was for me. He performed the massage on me. Meninger.

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Did you tell him to stop? Ransom? No? I did not, Meninger.

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Did you have any sexual contact with him? Ransom, No.

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He just touched me and he was touching himself too,

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so Meninger. Did you have an orgasm? Ransom? I did

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have an orgasm. He used a specific vibrator on me,

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which it was quite hard not to Meninger. Can you

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describe it, Ransom? Yeah, it's quite big. It's not an

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actual vibrator. It's really good. You should get one if

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you don't. The witness sorry, I'm allowed to talk, Okay, sorry?

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Then Ransom goes on. It's all can I draw it.

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Can I draw it? I'll draw you the exact I

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can actually get you. I actually own one, so I

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can get you a photo of it. You know. It's

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also in the pictures in the dentist's chair in one

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of the photos. So it's like this, mister Gergis, you're fine.

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Ms McAuley, you're fine. Ransom. So it's actually a massager

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for the shoulders. It's got a long base, it's got

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quite a it's like a rubber white head. And yeah,

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it was really it's not used for sexual purposes. Meninger.

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It's not ransom. No, that's what I'm saying. It's not

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a vibrator. Meninger. Okay, Ransom. It was actually quite painful

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for me. Meninger, Okay, Ransom. Actually, Meninger, okay, did you

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tell him to stop? Ransom? I told him to stop

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when he because he pressed the vibrator head on my

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clitteris and it was in credit painful. It hurt me.

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That's a very sensitive area. And the strength of this

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specific device he used is it's not really meant for that, Menager. Right,

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did he stop when you said stop? Ransom? No? Manager,

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And how long did this massage? Ransom? Interrupts her until

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I orgasmed Menager, and then what happened? Ransom? He just

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stopped and I got dressed and I left. Manager. Was

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there any discussion Ransom? No, Menager. Did he give you

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any money? Ransom? No, Gurgis. Can we stop for a moment?

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The witness is crying. I think maybe we should take

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a moment, have a moment. Okay, mark that as defendants

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Exhibit number two, and then we'll take a break for

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here too, and in the next episode we'll pick up

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where we left off. All of the information that goes

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What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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This episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off

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with the Sarah Ransom deposition. Menager. So you just described

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for us. I think what you recall being the third

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massage with Jeffrey Ransom? Yeah, Menager. Do you recall the

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next one after that? Ransom? It was? It was basically

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the same I was called to give Jeffrey massages Menager

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during that first trip to the island. Ransom during the

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first trip, Yeah, Menager, can you approximate how many massages

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you gave to them during that first trip Ransom? I

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would give them up to maybe to a day. The

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other girls they had to also give them massages during

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that trip, Menager. And you don't remember days that trip

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was ransom? No, not specifically how many it was a

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few days. It was a few days, Menager. At some

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point did the massages become different than the one you

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just described as the third massage? Ransom? It was either

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Jeffrey lying on the massage, me massaging them and turning

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sexual or vice versa. Pretty much from the third sexual

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massage I had with Jeffrey. All other massages were sexual. Menager.

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Do you recall who was on the flight home from

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that first trip Ransom? I don't recall who was on

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the flight home. I think it was all the people

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that were on the first flight there. Menager. Did you

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receive any compensation from Jeffrey during that first trip Ransom?

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I received like three hundred bucks or something, not a lot, Menager.

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When did you get that ransom at the end of

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the trip, Menager? And how was it given to you

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ransom in cash? Menager? By whom ransom? That specific time?

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It was Jeffrey. Menager. Where were you when he gave

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you that money? Ransom? I can't recall where I was

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when he gave me the cash. Manager. Did were you

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still with the other females that had been on the plane,

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Ransom when he gave me the cash? Menager? Yes, Ransom,

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I can't recall. I don't remember if someone was with me,

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but we all knew that we were going to get cash. Manager.

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Did you see him giving cash to anyone else? Ransom?

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I saw him give cash to or redacted? Menager? How

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much did he give her, if you know, Ransom, I

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don't know, Menager. Did you see redacted having any type

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of sexual relations with Jeffrey during this trip? Ransom? Yes,

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I did, Menager. When did you see that? Ransom? I

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didn't see it in the bedroom, but we were called

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on like a rotation visit for Jeffrey throughout the day

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and evening. Menager, When did you see her redacted having

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some type of sexual relationship with Jeffrey on the island

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during that first trip, Ransom, I didn't see her perform

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sexual acts on Jeffrey. Manager. Did anyone see you performing

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sexual acts on Jeffrey during the first trip to the island, Ransom. No, Menager,

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did you tell any of these other women about what

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was going on during your massages with Jeffrey Ransom? Yes? Manager.

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Who did you tell Ransom all the girls that were there? Menager?

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And again that is redacted and redacted and redacted, mister

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gergis objection. Menager? Do you remember Ransom? I can't say

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specifically if redacted was there. I can't remember redacted being there,

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so I don't like to bring redacted into the first trip.

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I saw her multiple times on the island, but I

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can't specifically place her there on the first trip. I

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just remember the key people that were there because they

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were the most vivid in my memory. Menager. Do you

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know if you took any pictures during that first trip? Ransom?

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I don't think during that first trip. No, we weren't

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actually allowed to bring any electronic devices with us. Menager,

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How did you learn that rule? Ransom? Redacted told me,

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and the other girls told me? Manager, who are the

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other girls? Ransom? Redacted? Menager? Did you take a camera

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to the island, Ransom, not the first time, No, Menager.

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Did you have a digital camera at the time, Ransom? Yes,

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I did, Menager. What kind, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.

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Did you have a phone with a camera on it? Ransom?

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I had a BlackBerry, yes, which you could take photos on. Menager,

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All right. Do you recall there being any sexual acts

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performed on the plane on the ride home during that

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first trip? Ransom? No, Menager, Okay. Do you recall going

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down a second time Ransom to the island? Menager, yes, Ransom, yes, Manager.

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When did that happen? Ransom? Shortly, I can't remember specifically

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when it was, but it wasn't on I don't know

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the time length. I saw Jeffrey and Glaane and the

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crowd quite a lot in New York as well, so

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it's not clear to me when the second trip was Menager.

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When was the first time you met Glaine Ransom. I'd

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been to the island a couple of times before, and

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then I met Glaine on the island, Menainger. Tell me

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about your meeting with her, Ransom. I remember being told

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by everyone before she arrived who she was, and I

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was pretty much told the type of person she was

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and that I had to do everything she told me

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to do. Who told you that Ransom redacted? Redacted, redacted

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and redacted. Every single girl that I came in communication

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with told me that Menager And what type of person

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did they tell you? That she was? Ransom? She's incredibly intimidating.

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She's not someone you want to be stuck in an

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alley with at night. Put it that way. She's a

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very dangerous character and has connections Menager, And that was

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communicated to you by this group of females redacted, redacted,

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redacted and redacted Menager, anyone else Ransom. I mean, it

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was a general conversation amongst the girls about Golaane. So

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there were other girls all the time. So during the

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duration of my stay, so pretty much from my when

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I first arrived in New York, my entire time was

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spent with Jeffrey and Golaane and that crowd. So, yeah,

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it was that's about everything. Meninger. Okay, so you met Ransom.

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I met a lot of girls who we all had

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the same opinion of Golaane. We were all frightened of her.

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She had a very odd relytionlationship with Jeffrey. And yeah,

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she's not a nice I'm sorry. I know she's your client,

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but she's not She's not a friendly, warm person. I

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liked her dog though, her Yorkshire Terrier. Her dog was nice. Menager.

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You recalled meeting her for the first time on that island, Ransom. Yeah,

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she flew in by helicopter, Menager. And that was after

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you were on the island a couple of times. Ransom, Yeah, Menager.

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Did she fly the helicopter Ransom? I can't remember if

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she flew it or not. I just remember her getting out,

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like getting out of and going Glaine and I was like,

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I was quite frightened when she arrived. So, Menager, was

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she alone or with someone? Ransom? I can't remember if

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she was with someone. I just remember the first time

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I saw her, I was like, is that it? She

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didn't look that scary when I first met her. Looks

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her deceiving Menager. So the first time you saw her,

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she was getting off a helicopter Ransom, Yeah. Manager. And

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you don't recall if she flew the helicopter Ransom. I

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don't recall if she flew it herself or if there

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was a pilot there. I just remember she arrived on

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a helicopter. Manager. What's the next thing you remember about

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your interactions with her personally? Ransom? She stayed on the

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island a few days, and I didn't have a lot

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of interaction with her. I avoided her, to be honest, Menager.

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Did you take pictures with her? Ransom? No, we weren't

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allowed any digital cameras on the island, Menager. Have you

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ever taken a picture of her? Ransom? No. I didn't

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really feel comfortable and I didn't feel the need to

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take pictures of Glane for my photo album, Menager. Apart

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from staying away from her and not having a lot

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of interactions, do you recall anything else about your first

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interaction with her on the island? Ransom? Yeah. She was

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incredibly unpleasant to me. She wasn't friendly or warm. Menager.

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What did she say or do? Ransom? She was very dismissive,

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just another girl, really, Manager. Did you ever give her

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a massage? Ransom? No? Menager? Did she ever give you

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a massage? Ransom? She massaged me once or twice, but

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it was to it was to refine my technique for

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Jeffrey Menager. This was on the first time that you

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met her, Ransom. Yeah, during that trip she because Jeffrey again,

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he's quite specific on how he likes his massages, and yeah,

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I'm not that's not my forte massages, Menager. How did

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it come about that she was helping you to refine

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your massage techniques? Ransom. We were just sitting in the

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main area by the big house. That's where we chilled out.

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There's a table there as well, and yeah, we were

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just sitting on the sofas and I think I can't

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remember if I was giving Jeffrey a massage, but we

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were all sitting together, and I think he was getting

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massaged by one of the girls and we were kind

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of taking it in turns Menager. Was it sexual? Ransom? No,

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it wasn't sexual, but Glaine was there and I wasn't

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doing it properly, and she showed me how to massage

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them and how he liked it, Menager. And what part

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of his body? Did she show you how to massage? Ransom?

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His feet, his hands? Manager? Did she say anything to you, Ransom?

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I can't remember specifically what she said to me. She

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said a lot of things to me, Manager, Okay, well

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tell me what you remember that she said to you.

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Gurgis objection? When where? What? What are we talking about? Ransom?

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I can't remember specifically what she said to me. All

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I know is that she wasn't. She wasn't a particularly

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a nice person to me or to anybody, so very dictatorial, manager,

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unlimited by time or anything. Do you recall anything Glayne

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said to you? Gurgis objection you're asking her Ransom. It

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was had a massage, Jeffrey. I remember speaking to her

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quite a lot about my fit application. I remember speaking

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to Glaine about my psychiatrist about my weight. My weight

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was a big issue, and in fact, everything was an

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issue with Glaine. Manager during this first time you met her,

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other than discussing massages, did the those other topics come up? Ransom.

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I can't remember the first encounter with Golaine, but it

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was pretty soon after everything snowballed quite quickly. Manager. Well,

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you saw her getting off the helicopter, correct Ransom, Yes, Manager,

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And you saw her on the island for a couple

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of days that time, you said, correct Ransom, yeah. Manager.

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So during that time that you saw her over a

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couple of days, do you remember any other discussions you

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had with her apart from this massage, Ransom, We spoke

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about why I was there in New York. I mean

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we you know, she got to know me. She asked

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me a lot of questions about my family life. I mean,

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she questioned me a lot about my personal life. Manager.

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Was anyone else present when you were having these discussions

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with Glaine Ransom? Yes? Everyone everyone that was redacted, redacted,

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Jeffrey and redacted Manager. Was there anyone different on this trip? Ransom?

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Redacted as well, redacted. Was there Menager anyone else on

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this trip? Ransom? I can't remember Menager? Was redacted, redacted

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and redacted there? Ransom, not the first time that I

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met Klaine Menager. Was anyone else there? Ransom? I can't

457
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remember Menager. Anything that would help refresh your memory, Ransom,

458
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if you could give me the plane logs or something,

459
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or names or photos. Ten years, as I said, is

460
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an incredibly long time. I don't remember who. I mean,

461
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it was such a long time for me. I came

462
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to New York. My intention was to meet many people,

463
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make new friends, make a new life for myself, so

464
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I didn't really I don't remember names specifically, Menager. Do

465
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you remember any descriptions of other people who were on

466
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the island the first time you met Klaine Ransom? There

467
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were all beautiful people. I just remember being surrounded by

468
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beautiful young people. There were always girls. There were always girls.

469
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You know, girls didn't even have time to kind of

470
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remember girls' names because there was always people leaving the island,

471
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popping in, flying in, So there was a constant flux

472
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of people coming in, popping in visiting Jeffrey and Golaine Menager.

473
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So the first time you met Glaine, you saw her

474
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get off a helicopter. She was on the island for

475
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a couple of days. Any other females you remember being

476
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there on that occasion? Mcaulay Objection asked and answered Ransom redacted, redacted,

477
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redacted and redacted. And I can't remember any others Menager, Menager,

478
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can you remember any descriptions of other people who were

479
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there on that occasion? Gurgis Objection asked and answered, Ransom.

480
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They were beautiful, they were pretty, and they were just

481
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beautiful Menager. Hair color Gurgis Objection, Ransom, normal Menager, height, Ransom.

482
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I don't recall height, Menager, any other physical characteristics at all,

483
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mister Gergis Objection, Ransom, just that they were extremely beautiful.

484
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I've never seen girls like that, Menager. Well you had

485
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been a model in London, right, Ransom, Yeah, I have,

486
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but you know, Jeffrey Epstein wired the elite, didn't he

487
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you know? Him and Glaine, so they were pretty much

488
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the crem dela creme of the crop. I would say

489
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the girls that were around them menager on this first

490
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occasion when you met Glaine and there were beautiful girls

491
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who you don't recall what they look like. You they

492
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were beautiful, Ransom. Yeah, there were beautiful people constantly surrounded

493
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by Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine. They were only surrounded by

494
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beautiful people, beautiful girls, menager. But apart from that, you

495
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don't have any other specifics, Ransom. I don't recall the

496
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appearance of the other girls. I don't. As I will

497
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say again, there was a constant stream of people coming

498
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in going off the island, popping in, popping out, girls

499
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flying in, girls flying out. There were girls on the

500
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island that were their shorter time frames than me and

501
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flew out. I didn't really I hung out with my

502
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crew redacted or redacted. They were my friends. I thought

503
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they were my friends, So I didn't really cozy up

504
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to any of the other girls. It's like high school,

505
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you know, you're not friends with everybody. You ask me

506
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who every one I went to high school with I

507
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,079
don't remember. I don't have a clue. I don't know

508
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who they are. Manager. Do you have a best friend

509
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from school? Gurgis, Objection, Ransom, several, several? I mean, who

510
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has any best friends at school? School? School? We don't

511
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make best friends at school. All right, folks, we're gonna

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wrap up this part here, and in the next episode

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we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of

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