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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.

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<v Speaker 3>November fifteenth, nineteen twenty eight, Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine year old Glen Hyde and his twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>year old wife Bessie decide to spend their honeymoon taking

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<v Speaker 3>a rafting trip down the rapids of the Colorado River.

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<v Speaker 3>Shortly after stopping at the home of a photographer named

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<v Speaker 3>Emery Colb, the Hidees vanished without a and their empty

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<v Speaker 3>boat is discovered in the river over one month later.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the next several decades, there would be a number

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<v Speaker 3>of twists and turns, including a woman you claimed to

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<v Speaker 3>be Bessie Hyde, and the discovery of an unidentified male

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<v Speaker 3>skeleton in Emery Colb's boat house, but no trace of

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<v Speaker 3>Glen or Bessie is ever found after that.

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<v Speaker 1>The path went Chili, So on this episode we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be traveling back nearly an entire century to

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<v Speaker 1>cover a mystery which took place in the Grand Canyon,

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenty eight disappearances of Glenn and Bessie Hyde. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're an unsolved Mysteries fan, you're probably familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>this story as it was featured on the very first

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the show, hosted by Robert Stack. Glen and

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<v Speaker 1>Bessie Hyde were a newlywed couple who decided to take

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<v Speaker 1>a very adventurous honeymoon by embarking on a lengthy whitewater

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<v Speaker 1>rafting trip through the Grand Canyon along the Colorado River,

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<v Speaker 1>and they hoped to find fame by achieving a new

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<v Speaker 1>speed record, but they would eventually go missing, and even

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<v Speaker 1>though the couple's empty boat was found completely into with

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<v Speaker 1>all their supplies still on board, Glenn and Bessie had

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly vanished into thin air. This story has become a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty legendary unsolved disappearance with a number of twists and turns,

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<v Speaker 1>and even contains a compelling mystery within a mystery, as

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<v Speaker 1>a skeleton initially believed to be Glenn Hyde, would be

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<v Speaker 1>found on the property of one of the last people

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<v Speaker 1>known to have seen the couple alive. Four decades later,

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<v Speaker 1>there would also be a woman who popped up on

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<v Speaker 1>another rafting trip through the Grand Canyon and told a

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<v Speaker 1>number of witnesses that she was Bessie Hyde and had

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<v Speaker 1>disappeared on her own and started a new life after

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<v Speaker 1>killing her husband. All we know for certain is that

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<v Speaker 1>nearly one hundred years have passed since the Hides went

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<v Speaker 1>missing and they have still never been found. So I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was about time that the path went. Chile

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<v Speaker 1>tackled the very first Mysterious Legends case featured on Unsolved Mysteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Can my mouth already be hanging open? Because I need

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<v Speaker 2>you guys to back up and clarify a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things for me. One, how cool that it was on

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<v Speaker 2>the very first episode of Unsolved Mysteries. But okay, a

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<v Speaker 2>body was founded. They believe Eve to be Glenn Hyde

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<v Speaker 2>with the last known person he was seen with. And

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<v Speaker 2>this woman forty years later says, I'm Bessie Hyde and

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<v Speaker 2>I disappeared on my own after I killed my husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any information more about those two incidences and

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<v Speaker 2>are we positive that either are either true or false

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<v Speaker 2>at this time?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we'll definitely talk a lot more about them

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about whether or not they are credible or not.

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<v Speaker 1>But I brought up those two twists because I remember

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<v Speaker 1>when I watched the Unsolved Mystery segment way back in

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<v Speaker 1>like the late nineteen eighties. That that's what they focused on,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman claiming to be Bessie and the mysterious skeleton

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<v Speaker 1>found in the boat house belonging to Emery colp And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what is going on here? Like? Are

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<v Speaker 1>these connected to each other? I mean, when you first

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<v Speaker 1>hear about a couple going missing on a whitewater rafting trip,

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking, initially, okay, it's probably obviously drowned. But then

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<v Speaker 1>they had all these weird twists and turns come up

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<v Speaker 1>in the story several decades later.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's where I am too. Are these real? What's happening?

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<v Speaker 2>This is crazy? So keep telling me more.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So our story begins in nineteen twenty eight, and

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<v Speaker 3>our central figures are a newlywed couple from Twin Falls, Idaho,

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine year old Glen Hyde and his twenty two

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<v Speaker 3>year old wife, Bessie Hyde. Glenn makes his living as

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<v Speaker 3>a farmer, and the circumstances of how he got married

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<v Speaker 3>to Bessie are pretty unusual, ironically enough, given what eventually

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<v Speaker 3>happened to them. The couple first met on a passenger

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<v Speaker 3>ship traveling from San Francisco to Los Angeles in February

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<v Speaker 3>of nineteen twenty seven, and they pretty much fell head

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<v Speaker 3>over heels in love with each other. The problem was

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<v Speaker 3>that Bessie was technically still married to another man in

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<v Speaker 3>another state at that point. Bessie was born in Maryland

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<v Speaker 3>and raised in Parkersburg, West Virginia, under the name Bessie Hayley,

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<v Speaker 3>and was attending Marshall College when she married a man

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<v Speaker 3>named Earl Helmick in Kentucky in June of nineteen twenty six.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though Bessie and Earle had known each other for

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<v Speaker 3>years and attended high school together, their relationship was pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much doomed from the start, as Earle was known to

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<v Speaker 3>have a violent temper. The couple lived together for less

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<v Speaker 3>than two months before they separated, and Bessie moved to

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<v Speaker 3>San Francisco to study art in poetry at the California

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<v Speaker 3>School of Fine Arts. It's been reported that while she

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<v Speaker 3>was living there, Earl sent Bessie money for an operation,

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<v Speaker 3>fueling speculation that she'd traveled out West to terminate an

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<v Speaker 3>unwonted pregnancy or to secretly give birth to a child

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<v Speaker 3>that she put up for adoption, but this has never

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<v Speaker 3>officially been confirmed. Whatever the case, Bessie would meet Glen

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<v Speaker 3>several months later and wanted to marry him as soon

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<v Speaker 3>as possible, but Earle refused to grant her a divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>In response, Bessie decided to move to Elko, Nevada, since

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<v Speaker 3>the state had the most lenient divorce laws in the

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<v Speaker 3>country at that time. She lived there for a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of months to meet the residency requirements and filed for divorce,

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<v Speaker 3>which was officially granted on April eleventh, nineteen twenty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>when Earle failed to show up in court to contest it. Bessie,

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<v Speaker 3>then in meeting, mediately traveled to Twin Falls to meet

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<v Speaker 3>up with Glenn, and they were married the following day.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you look at this, are we sure that

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<v Speaker 2>there was money actually sent for this quote operation or

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<v Speaker 2>is that still part of the speculation That.

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<v Speaker 1>Is part of the speculation. I mean, this was back

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<v Speaker 1>during the nineteen twenties, so I don't think we have

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<v Speaker 1>like any hard records of this, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much just gossip and rumors that they suspected that

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<v Speaker 1>Bessie may become pregnant. And of course this is the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, when an abortion or giving up a child

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<v Speaker 1>for adoption with scandalous, so they figured that, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those cases where they sent her away

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<v Speaker 1>before anyone noticed she was pregnant, and then just she

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<v Speaker 1>miraculously reappeared after she had either terminated or given birth

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<v Speaker 1>to the child. But it just kind of shows that

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<v Speaker 1>Bessie was a woman who was kind of ahead of

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<v Speaker 1>her time for willing to go through this during the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties, and that she was a very independent woman

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<v Speaker 1>who probably would not have been happy in a marriage

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<v Speaker 1>to a guy like Earle and was much happier meeting

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<v Speaker 1>up with an adventurous guy like Glenn.

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<v Speaker 2>What's also interesting is that divorce would have been scandalous,

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<v Speaker 2>and so even if the let's say the pregnancy rumors

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<v Speaker 2>are false and there was no abortion or adoption, just

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<v Speaker 2>her fact of saying, like, I'm so much over this

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<v Speaker 2>other marriage, right, whether she was being abused or just

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't happy or whatever was happening, she left her husband

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<v Speaker 2>so had the confidence to have her own independence, and

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<v Speaker 2>then does this whole elaborate scheme to go get residency

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else and actually petition for a divorce, risking the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he could show up if he ever found

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<v Speaker 2>out about it, but really having this confidence that I

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<v Speaker 2>bet I can beat the system and get away from

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<v Speaker 2>this man and the very next day go be with

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<v Speaker 2>my adventurer. Glenn's pretty pretty bold, especially back in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties, but I mean even today, that's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of power that she wielded.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is kind of relevant to what we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about later because when we explore the theory

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<v Speaker 1>about whether she decided to disappear on her own to

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<v Speaker 1>get away from Glenn and start a new life, and

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<v Speaker 1>you realize, well, she had gone through something like this

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<v Speaker 1>before with her previous husband, so it's not impossible she

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<v Speaker 1>could have attempted something like that again. Anyway, since Glenn

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<v Speaker 1>was an avid outdoorsman and an experienced rafter who had

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<v Speaker 1>run the salmon and snake rivers in Idaho, he came

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<v Speaker 1>up with a very unusual idea for a delayed honeymoon.

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn constructed a two tent. Glenn constructed a two ton,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty foot long, five and a half foot wide, flat

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<v Speaker 1>bottom wooden sweep scout, which he named Rain in the Face,

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<v Speaker 1>and decided that he and Bessie would spend their honeymoon

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<v Speaker 1>taking a lengthy whitewater rafting trip through the Grand Canyon.

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<v Speaker 1>They would travel to Green River, Utah, and spend the

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<v Speaker 1>next several weeks in their scou traveling hundreds of miles

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<v Speaker 1>down the rapids of the Colorado River before they arrived

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<v Speaker 1>in Needles, California. The Colorado River was considered to be

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<v Speaker 1>the most dangerous stretch of water in the world at

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<v Speaker 1>that point, and only forty five people had managed to

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<v Speaker 1>travel the full two hundred and seventy seven mile length

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<v Speaker 1>of the Grand Canyon by river. But Glenn was an

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<v Speaker 1>adventurous thrill seeker who wanted to set a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>all time speed record, and by taking Bessie along, she

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<v Speaker 1>would make history by because I mean, the first documented

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<v Speaker 1>woman to run the canyon. If they succeeded, the couple

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<v Speaker 1>would likely become famous, and Glenn hoped that Bessie would

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<v Speaker 1>use the writing skills to publish a book so they

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<v Speaker 1>can make money recounting their adventure by touring the lecture circuit. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>in spite of Glenn's vast river rapting experience, Bessie was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much a complete novice at this sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn also made the decision not to carry any life

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<v Speaker 1>jackets on board the boat, as apparently using life jackets

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<v Speaker 1>was just not something that was done in Idaho during

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<v Speaker 1>that time period, and they were not even readily available.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's backtrack to this idea and the description of

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<v Speaker 2>their craft. Okay, I love when you describe it. Used

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<v Speaker 2>it a two ton, twenty foot long, five and a

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<v Speaker 2>half foot wide, flat bottom wooden sweep scal And after

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<v Speaker 2>that tongue twister, I went what the heck is that

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<v Speaker 2>and googled it. Guys, it's basically like a huck Finn raft. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>side on it. It looks like you're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>in an adventure novel. And for someone who's a novice,

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<v Speaker 2>that's pretty crazy and scary, like my guts, like, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they simply had an accident and they drown or something happened.

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<v Speaker 2>They hit their head on a rock because I would

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<v Speaker 2>not go down on this sweep scal named rain in

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<v Speaker 2>the face, right, it looks incredibly dangerous and they're not

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<v Speaker 2>going down just some quiet river, they're going whitewater rafting.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you get a chance, google it. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I do see where his adventure side said, we could

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<v Speaker 2>really make something of this if we survived Asterist Right,

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<v Speaker 2>if we survived this trip, we would be the talk

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<v Speaker 2>of the town because this is crazy. You are correct, Glenn,

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<v Speaker 2>it's crazy. So I assume that life vests were basically

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<v Speaker 2>like seat belts used to be, where they just weren't

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<v Speaker 2>part of the narrative and they just weren't very common.

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<v Speaker 2>And so not shaming him for not having life jackets,

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<v Speaker 2>but my god, he was definitely taking a knowing risk

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<v Speaker 2>putting her on this sweep scal because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I just picture, you know, these two main characters with

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<v Speaker 2>a piece of wood shoving themselves off the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>side of a slow river. That's not what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going whitewater rafting on this basically flat piece of wood.

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<v Speaker 3>I picture Bessie, who has gone through this arduous process

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<v Speaker 3>of getting this divorce from her husband with the violent temper,

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<v Speaker 3>and then she meets Glenn, you know, she falls in love,

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, hey, babe, I've made this scow like on

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<v Speaker 3>of wood, and guess what, We're going to go down

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<v Speaker 3>a river and we don't have any flotation devices, so

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<v Speaker 3>we're just taking our life in our hands. Yes, we've

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<v Speaker 3>it all the way through, but who knows, we may

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<v Speaker 3>not escape with our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a big if, right, And I almost see her

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<v Speaker 2>like an Amelia Earhart character, Like she's got this scarf

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<v Speaker 2>flapping in the wind, and she's got her goggles on

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<v Speaker 2>and she's.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's that's probably not what it looked like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's one of the big mysteries of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>because I've heard different narratives where some sources say that

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<v Speaker 1>say she was enthusiastic. But most women when they hear

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<v Speaker 1>this story have this reaction saying, not only would I

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<v Speaker 1>miles in like a piece of wood is my idea

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<v Speaker 3>And like, would she have been as aware of the

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<v Speaker 3>safety risks as we are today? Like, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 3>that's a big no, because they don't have access to

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<v Speaker 3>the internet, and if there are accidents doing something similar, like,

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<v Speaker 3>are you really going to hear about it? So you

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they said forty five people made this trip

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<v Speaker 1>successfully at that point, but I guess they didn't hear

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<v Speaker 1>the statistics on how many people did nick successfully and

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<v Speaker 1>drowned who didn't live to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the tell, right, It's absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like an old timey version of like doing K

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<v Speaker 3>two or something. The Hides began their trip in Green

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<v Speaker 3>River on October twentieth, and the legend has it that

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<v Speaker 3>an experienced river rafter who saw glens scow described it

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<v Speaker 3>as a quote Wooden Coffin, and he expressed his belief

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<v Speaker 3>that it's not safe enough.

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<v Speaker 4>For the sort of trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Regardless, the Hides managed to complete the first leg of

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<v Speaker 3>their journey and made it to the Grand Canyon National

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<v Speaker 3>Park in record time. The two hundred and seventy seven

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<v Speaker 3>mile trip through the canyon on the Colorado River could

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<v Speaker 3>easily be documented by the mile markers, which were placed

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<v Speaker 3>at various locations, and on November fifteen, the couple arrived

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<v Speaker 3>at the Phantom Ranch near River mile eighty eight. They

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<v Speaker 3>then proceeded to hike up the Bright Angel Trail until

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<v Speaker 3>they arrived at the home of a photographer named Emery Colb.

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<v Speaker 3>Emory and his brother, Ellsworth Colb had become legendary figures

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<v Speaker 3>in the Grand Canyon by successfully navigating the Colorado River

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<v Speaker 3>and filming the entire experience. Emory's home also doubled as

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<v Speaker 3>a photography studio named Cold Studio, which had been in

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<v Speaker 3>business for nearly twenty five years. At this point, Glenn

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<v Speaker 3>knew that Colb was pretty much the area's foremost expert

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<v Speaker 3>on the Colorado River, which is why he and Bessie

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<v Speaker 3>paid him a visit, and while there, the Hides asked

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<v Speaker 3>Colb to take a photograph of them posing by the

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<v Speaker 3>canyon's rim. However, during their interactions, Cold noticed that Bessie

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<v Speaker 3>seemed to have grown tired of the trip and appeared

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<v Speaker 3>apprehensive because they were about to embark on the most

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<v Speaker 3>dangerous stretch of the river. Earlier on their journey, while

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<v Speaker 3>traveling through the rapids of the Cataract Canyon, Bessie, who

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<v Speaker 3>was only five feet tall and weighed ninety pounds, was

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<v Speaker 3>knocked into the water, but Glenn managed to grab her

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<v Speaker 3>ankle and pull her back into the boat. Glunnad also

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<v Speaker 3>apparently fallen out of the scal on two separate occasions

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<v Speaker 3>before Bessie managed to get a rope to him. Since

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<v Speaker 3>the Hides were going to be facing cold winter weather,

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<v Speaker 3>Cold proposed the idea of them staying with him for

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<v Speaker 3>a while until the weather improved, but Glenn refused. Colb

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<v Speaker 3>also offered to let the hides boils his life jackets

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<v Speaker 3>or some inner tubes, but Glenn turned this down as well,

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<v Speaker 3>referring to the items as quote artificial aids and assuring

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<v Speaker 3>Cold but he and Bessie were both very strong swimmers.

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<v Speaker 3>Before the Hides left, Cold's young daughter said goodbye to them,

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<v Speaker 3>and Bessie looked at the shoes the girl was wearing

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<v Speaker 3>and said, quote, I wonder if I shall ever wear

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<v Speaker 3>pretty shoes again. End quote. The Hides then hiked back

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<v Speaker 3>down right Angel trail, climb back into their boat, and

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<v Speaker 3>continued their trip down the river.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's all think boat in quotes. Okay, because again this

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<v Speaker 2>is such a bizarre craft that they're going to travel

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<v Speaker 2>this really treacherous track on, and you listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>way that Glenn is actually given lifelines, and people who

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<v Speaker 2>are very familiar with the area are saying like, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you thought about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want us to give you this? And it's

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<v Speaker 2>almost as though Glenn says, I don't want any of

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<v Speaker 2>those quote artificial aids because he so desperately wants that story.

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<v Speaker 2>We did it without this, We did it better than

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<v Speaker 2>the forty five people before us, right, he wants this

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<v Speaker 2>grand adventure story. And even in the face of seeing

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<v Speaker 2>Bessie's struggle, having people warn him about dangers, offering these

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<v Speaker 2>lifelines to him, seeing that Bessie's kind of getting worn out,

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<v Speaker 2>and knowing that they've already had close calls on the

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<v Speaker 2>easier part of the trip, it almost just seems like

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<v Speaker 2>arrogance and kind of ignorance on his part.

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<v Speaker 3>I just mentioned K two again. It reminds me of

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<v Speaker 3>people who are like, I want to hike to the

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<v Speaker 3>summit of either like Anna Perna or K two or

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<v Speaker 3>Everest without any oxygen, and it's like this badge of honors.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd be like, I made it to the top without

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<v Speaker 3>the oxygen, even though it's far safer to bring that

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<v Speaker 3>oxygen along with you and just use it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you need it, Yep, at the end, you made

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<v Speaker 2>it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like giving birth.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, give me all the medicine because I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>have a baby too.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just do it. Yeah. I think it was just

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<v Speaker 1>a cultural thing at that time where Glenn grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in Idaho, just thinking you just don't wear life jackets

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<v Speaker 1>because if you take a trip like that and you

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<v Speaker 1>wear a quote unquote artificial aid the entire time, then

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<v Speaker 1>to totally invalidates your accomplishment. So I think that's why

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<v Speaker 1>he stubbornly refused to take them.

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<v Speaker 3>But it kind of feels like he's being rather reckless

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<v Speaker 3>and disregarding the safety of his wife, Like he would

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<v Speaker 3>rather have this badge of honor to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>make it without an artificial aid than ensure that Betsy

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<v Speaker 3>is safe. If you don't want the life jacket or

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<v Speaker 3>the inner two, cool, but like, why don't you ask

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<v Speaker 3>Betsy what she wants to do?

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<v Speaker 1>So the following day, the hide stop at a tourist

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<v Speaker 1>facility and bumped into a tourist named Adolf Gilbert Sutro,

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<v Speaker 1>whose grandfather had been mayor of San Francisco during the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century. In exchange for some supplies, the Hides

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<v Speaker 1>agreed to allow suit Or to hitch a ride on

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<v Speaker 1>their boat with them for the next couple of miles

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<v Speaker 1>while they traveled downstream to Hermit Camp. Sutro took one

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<v Speaker 1>final photograph of Glenn and Bessie before they went their

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<v Speaker 1>separate ways, but after this there would be no more

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed sightings of the Hides. They failed to arrive at

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<v Speaker 1>the Needles, California at their schedule time, and when Glenn's father,

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<v Speaker 1>Our Sea Hide, did not hear from them by December

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<v Speaker 1>to sixth, he organized a search effort involving the National

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<v Speaker 1>Park Service and several volunteers. Arcia had previously lost two

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<v Speaker 1>sons when they were children, and was so dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>finding Glenn that he pretty much drove himself into poverty

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<v Speaker 1>by financing multiple searches over the next few years. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point during their journey, the Hides across passed with

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<v Speaker 1>a reporter from the Denver Post and shared their story,

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<v Speaker 1>which soon garnered some coverage in the press, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the time the couple went missing, the search for them

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<v Speaker 1>became national news. In fact, the story got so much

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<v Speaker 1>attention that it even wound up reaching President Calvin Coolidge,

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<v Speaker 1>who ordered his Secretary of War to authorize an air

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<v Speaker 1>search of Grand Canyon National Park with an army plane.

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<v Speaker 1>While on December the nineteenth, the plane finally spotted the

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<v Speaker 1>Hyde skow, which appeared to be trapped in some rocks

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the water near river mile two

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven. Even though the boat seemed to be intact,

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<v Speaker 1>Glen and Bessie were not inside. It would not be

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<v Speaker 1>until Christmas Day when a search party which included Emery

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<v Speaker 1>and Ellsworth Cob made it to this location and located

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<v Speaker 1>the scow. Much like when it was spotted from the

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<v Speaker 1>search plane, the boat was fully intact, with no noticeable

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<v Speaker 1>signs of damage, and was fully stocked with supplies and

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<v Speaker 1>the hide's personal possession, including their clothing and hiking boots,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn's rifle, and a diary that Betsy had been using

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<v Speaker 1>to chronicle their journey. The only thing which appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be missing was the hides themselves. Forty two notches were

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<v Speaker 1>found carved in the boat's gunwale, which seemed to represent

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<v Speaker 1>each day of the trip. If the count was accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>then this meant that the last notch had been carved

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<v Speaker 1>on November thirtieth, which coincided with the date of the

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<v Speaker 1>final entry in Bessie's diary. The scow's bowline stretched from

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<v Speaker 1>the front of the boat into the river and appeared

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<v Speaker 1>to be fastened into crevice in one of the rocks

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<v Speaker 1>and had caught on something underwater. Since the Coal brothers

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<v Speaker 1>had no success with their attempts to dislodge the bowline,

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<v Speaker 1>they decided to cut it. In spite of this discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>subsequent search efforts turned up no trace of Glenn or Bessie.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I right to think that it sounds as if

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<v Speaker 2>the scal gets there almost like it floated down river

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<v Speaker 2>without someone on it and gets lodged in this place,

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<v Speaker 2>And that rope was not officially tied off, it was

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<v Speaker 2>actually jammed in somewhere and kind of caught up on stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what some people think. And there's even speculation

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<v Speaker 1>that it could have been attached to maybe Glenn or

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<v Speaker 1>Bessie's body, and that maybe the cold has made a

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<v Speaker 1>mistake by cutting the bowline, because if they had pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up on it, they might have found the couple. But

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<v Speaker 1>this has never been conclusively proven.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, even if one of them was trying to save

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<v Speaker 2>the other one. Remember, at certain points Bessie had already

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<v Speaker 2>had to rope Glenn back in after he was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to rescue her. So that isn't like an impossible idea

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<v Speaker 2>because we've seen that action on their ride specifically. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's also possible they got bucked out of the scal

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<v Speaker 2>that they one of them fell and hit their head

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<v Speaker 2>trying to rescue the other one. I mean that could

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<v Speaker 2>have had anywhere along the route, and then that boat

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<v Speaker 2>gets lodged just by naturally drifting with the currents.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think this is what makes it stand out

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<v Speaker 1>more than most mysteries where people go missing on a

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<v Speaker 1>boat is if it been found like floating in the river,

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<v Speaker 1>tipped over, and the supplies were scattered everywhere, then it

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<v Speaker 1>would seem obvious that they got into an accident and drowned.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one has an extra feeling of eeriness to

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<v Speaker 1>it because everything about the boat was intact, all the

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<v Speaker 1>supplies were there, but Glenn and Bessie just seemed like

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<v Speaker 1>they had vanished into thin air.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how hard it is. How hard is it

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<v Speaker 2>to flip a five foot wide piece of like wood

421
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<v Speaker 2>with sides on it? Is it a harder thing to

422
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<v Speaker 2>flip over than a typical boat or is that easier

423
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<v Speaker 2>to tip over?

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<v Speaker 1>Good question, and I don't want to test it and

425
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<v Speaker 1>try it.

426
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<v Speaker 2>See come on now, I'm wondering for is it more

427
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<v Speaker 2>stability on that and that simply the waves would knock

428
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<v Speaker 2>you out because it doesn't rotate or like ride the

429
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<v Speaker 2>waves as well as something that has more of a

430
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<v Speaker 2>curve to the base of the boat, right, which is

431
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<v Speaker 2>why boats have that. But what it all so then

432
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<v Speaker 2>be harder to flip over, So that's why it looks

433
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<v Speaker 2>quote intact instead of capsize.

434
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<v Speaker 3>I think that's possible because of the shape of the boat.

435
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<v Speaker 3>You might be more likely to get thrown off since

436
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<v Speaker 3>we know that Glenn was thrown off twice, Bessie was

437
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<v Speaker 3>thrown off once, and it seems statistically improbable. But there's

438
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of debris and logs and rocks in rivers

439
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<v Speaker 3>like that, and so a body could potentially get stuck

440
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<v Speaker 3>underneath those things. And even though the gases would develop

441
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<v Speaker 3>in the gut, which usually brings bodies to the surface,

442
00:22:32.079 --> 00:22:35.519
<v Speaker 3>that wouldn't necessarily happen. It seems unlikely with two bodies,

443
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<v Speaker 3>but it could have happened the last specific location Bessie

444
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<v Speaker 3>had mentioned in her diary was Diamond Creek, rapid located

445
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<v Speaker 3>at River mile two twenty five, and evidence was discovered

446
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<v Speaker 3>to suggest the hides and set up camp in the area.

447
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<v Speaker 3>In fact, two years later, a search party for an

448
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<v Speaker 3>unrelated event wound up finding an inscription on the beam

449
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<v Speaker 3>of a ceiling in an old shack near Diamond Creek.

450
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<v Speaker 3>It read quote Glenn and Bessie Hide November thirty first,

451
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<v Speaker 3>nineteen twenty eight. If either Glenn or Bessie had inscribed that,

452
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<v Speaker 3>they probably did so on December first of that year

453
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<v Speaker 3>and had forgotten that November only had thirty days. There

454
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<v Speaker 3>was also an eyewitness account from a prospector who reportedly

455
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<v Speaker 3>saw a brown leather jacket floating in the Colorado River

456
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<v Speaker 3>around the approximate time the Hides went missing. The currents

457
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<v Speaker 3>were too swift for him to retrieve it, but Bessie

458
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<v Speaker 3>was known to have worn a leather jacket on the trip. Ironically,

459
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<v Speaker 3>the location the boat was found was just over forty

460
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<v Speaker 3>miles from the mouth of the Grand Canyon, and if

461
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<v Speaker 3>the details in Bessie's diary were accurate, the couple had

462
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<v Speaker 3>actually been ahead of schedule and would have easily broken

463
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<v Speaker 3>the speed record if they had traveled the entire distance. Anyway,

464
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<v Speaker 3>even though the hide's bodies could not be found, many

465
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<v Speaker 3>people suspected that Glenn and Bessie had fallen out of

466
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<v Speaker 3>their scow and drowned in the river. Others theorized that

467
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<v Speaker 3>they may have become separated from the boat and attempted

468
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<v Speaker 3>to hike their way to the canyon, but died of

469
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<v Speaker 3>exposure before they made it. However, over the course of

470
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<v Speaker 3>the next several decades, a number of unusual events would occur,

471
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<v Speaker 3>which caused speculation that there was a lot more to

472
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<v Speaker 3>the story.

473
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<v Speaker 2>Well, also, if you think about them, if they were

474
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<v Speaker 2>truly ahead of schedule, is that because of this incredible

475
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<v Speaker 2>skill or could it be because of some kind of recklessness.

476
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<v Speaker 2>Glenn's already shown some kind of, you know, tendency to

477
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<v Speaker 2>be almost arrogant in his confidence of how he's going

478
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<v Speaker 2>to do this trip.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Right.

480
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to really pay attention to timelines. I'm

481
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<v Speaker 2>not going to worry about what the safest route would be.

482
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to try to have these claims to fame. So,

483
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<v Speaker 2>if he was trying to be the fastest to ever

484
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<v Speaker 2>do it, and maybe they were ahead of schedule. Could

485
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<v Speaker 2>it be a result of recklessness and not just this

486
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<v Speaker 2>incredible feat which then could have led to them getting

487
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<v Speaker 2>hurt as well.

488
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's entirely possible that they were so ahead

489
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<v Speaker 1>of schedule that they were not taking safety precautions. And

490
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe Glenn thought they were invincible, saying that, or we're

491
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<v Speaker 1>going to show like several days before anyone's expecting us to,

492
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<v Speaker 1>and that led to him making more chances, taking more risks,

493
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<v Speaker 1>and eventually they reached a point where they did something

494
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<v Speaker 1>too dangerous and it cost them their lives. So in

495
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, a tour group went on a three

496
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<v Speaker 1>week commercial rafting trip through the Grand Canyon, and near

497
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<v Speaker 1>the end of their trip, they set up camp at

498
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<v Speaker 1>Diamond Creek. Since this was near the location where Glenn

499
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<v Speaker 1>and Bessie Hyde's boat had been found four decades earlier,

500
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<v Speaker 1>the tour guy decided to share the story about their

501
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 1>mysterious disappearance around the campfire that night. It was here

502
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<v Speaker 1>that an elderly woman in the group named Elizabeth Cutler

503
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<v Speaker 1>remarked that she was actually Bessie Hyde. She claimed that

504
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<v Speaker 1>Glenn had become so obsessed with completing the rafting trip

505
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<v Speaker 1>that things erupted into a violent fight, which resulted in

506
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<v Speaker 1>Glenn beating her. In response, she grabbed a knife, stabbed

507
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<v Speaker 1>Blent to death, sank his body, and let their float

508
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<v Speaker 1>and let their boat float downstream. She then proceeded to

509
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<v Speaker 1>hike her own way out of the Grand Canyon to

510
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<v Speaker 1>Peach Springs, climbed on a bus, and then went on

511
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<v Speaker 1>to start a new life for herself under her new identity.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Well The other members of the group initially figured that

513
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<v Speaker 1>Cutler was just making up this story, even though she

514
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<v Speaker 1>would have been around the same age as Bessie if

515
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<v Speaker 1>she was still alive at that time, But word about

516
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<v Speaker 1>this story eventually spread, and when historians tracked down Cutler

517
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<v Speaker 1>to her home in Palm mo Roy, Ohio and asked

518
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<v Speaker 1>her about it, she denied ever telling the story and

519
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>claimed to have never heard of Glen or Bessie Hyde.

520
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<v Speaker 1>Once further research was done, it became clear that Kutler's

521
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<v Speaker 1>story could not have been true. Not only was she

522
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:34.559
<v Speaker 1>around half a foot taller than Bessie Hyde, but birth

523
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>records showed that Kutler was born in Palm Moroy on

524
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<v Speaker 1>December the second nineteen oh eight. In fact, old newspaper

525
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 1>articles were uncovered which showed photographs of Cutler attending some

526
00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:48.000
<v Speaker 1>family reunions in Palm Roy, Ohio during the late nineteen twenties,

527
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<v Speaker 1>effectively debunking the idea that she was Bessie Hyde living

528
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:55.359
<v Speaker 1>under a false identity. Cydler died in nineteen ninety eight,

529
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<v Speaker 1>and since she had once worked as a psychology professor

530
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<v Speaker 1>and had a reputation for playing games with people, this

531
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:03.920
<v Speaker 1>may have been the reason she decided to tell people

532
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:04.759
<v Speaker 1>she was Bessie.

533
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting that you have this psychology professor who's almost

534
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>making the world her experiment or her playground, right to say, hey,

535
00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to do these psychological experiments on people. She

536
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>has to be a pretty smart cookie to be, you know,

537
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>young and becoming a professor and a woman back then, right,

538
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.759
<v Speaker 2>pursuing that kind of career, and so she's no dummy.

539
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.680
<v Speaker 2>But it's really interesting that she would take on such

540
00:27:29.799 --> 00:27:34.839
<v Speaker 2>a powerful, hurtful, dangerous narrative to play with people with.

541
00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 2>This is saying I even she's saying I killed somebody, right.

542
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>How did she think she.

543
00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Get away with that?

544
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Or what was the perk in doing something like that.

545
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:46.200
<v Speaker 1>But she's a load of saying no, I killed my

546
00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>husband and pretending to be someone else. And it's like,

547
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.880
<v Speaker 1>even though it would be effectively debunked, like you're out

548
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>in the woods alone with these strangers, Like, how do

549
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:55.799
<v Speaker 1>you think they're going to react if they find out

550
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>you confess to killing someone? And thankfully, I think at

551
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the time they just thought she was joking, so they

552
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't really take it that seriously. But it just seems

553
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:05.599
<v Speaker 1>like a very brazen thing to do, to confess to

554
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a murder you didn't do while you're out there in

555
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>the woods with a bunch of strangers. So the next

556
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>surprise development took place when Emery Coal passed away on

557
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<v Speaker 1>December the eleventh, nineteen seventy six, at the age of

558
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:21.079
<v Speaker 1>ninety six. Two months later, Colp's grandson was going through

559
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.960
<v Speaker 1>the boathouse on his property at Cold Studio when he

560
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>was surprised to discover the remains of a male skeleton

561
00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.440
<v Speaker 1>inside a canoe being kept in the rafters. Some remnants

562
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>of clothing, a shoe and a belt were next to

563
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>the remains, and everything was subsequently turned over to the

564
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Coconino County Medical Examiner's Office. The victim was determined to

565
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 1>have been a Caucasian mail in his twenties, but most importantly,

566
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>a bullet from a thirty two caliber gun was found

567
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 1>embedded in his skull and there was a bullet hole

568
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>in his right temple. Tests showed that the bullet originated

569
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>from a Revolver originally manufactured in nineteen oh two, and

570
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the condition of the bones and the clothing fragments seemed

571
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<v Speaker 1>to suggest that the victim's death that occurred sometime during

572
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen twenties. Of course, this began to feel rumors

573
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>that the victim was Glenn Hyde and that Emery Colb

574
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.200
<v Speaker 1>could have murdered him well. Like I mentioned on the intro,

575
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 1>this case would be featured on the very first episode

576
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of Unsolved Mysteries hosted by Robert Stack, which originally aired

577
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.119
<v Speaker 1>on November twenty nine to nineteen eighty seven. For the segment,

578
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 1>the show consulted with doctor Walter Burkby, a forensic anthropologist

579
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 1>from the University of Arizona. While Birkeby was a nationally

580
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>recognized expert in his field and it earned the nickname

581
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Death because he specialized and unidentified human remains basically

582
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>long before the era of DNA testing and websites such

583
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.880
<v Speaker 1>as the dough Network, Doctor Birkby was one of the

584
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 1>best people to turn to if you ever wanted to

585
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 1>identify the skeleton remains of a John or Jane Doe,

586
00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>so the skeleton found in Colb's boat house was passed

587
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.519
<v Speaker 1>on to him. The segment showed Birkeby performing a test

588
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>where he compared the facial structure of the skull to

589
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.559
<v Speaker 1>a photograph of Glenn Hyde and to Term and they

590
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.640
<v Speaker 1>did not match at all. Well, Burntney was unable to

591
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>determine the victim's true identity. He was able to conclude

592
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 1>with one hundred percent certainty that it was not Glenn.

593
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.279
<v Speaker 1>Of course, this only opened up a lot more unanswered questions,

594
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.720
<v Speaker 1>creating a mystery within a mystery about who the remains

595
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 1>did actually belong to and why Colb had been keeping

596
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>them on his property.

597
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>So bizarre, and it's almost like they weren't even hidden.

598
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.319
<v Speaker 2>They're just in this canoe. So it's they're going through

599
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>his stuff and it's like, oh, yeah, here's also a body.

600
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who was that and what the heck was

601
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>he doing with it? Is it someone that got hurt

602
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>on a trip with him. Is it somebody that he

603
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>actually did? No, he's shot, right, this guy shot in

604
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:42.839
<v Speaker 2>the head.

605
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, later on in the episode, we're going to

606
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>reveal who this person probably was. This is kind of

607
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>a logical explanation for it. But when Unsolved Mysteries here

608
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.839
<v Speaker 1>their episode back in nineteen eighty seven, they still had

609
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<v Speaker 1>no idea. So a lot of people watching at the

610
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 1>time were thinking that Emery Colb, this legendary photography was

611
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 1>actually like a clotset serial killer or something like why

612
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:05.160
<v Speaker 1>was he keeping remains in his boat house? But it

613
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>turned out that the explanation was a lot less gruesome

614
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>than barrigely thought.

615
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<v Speaker 2>Perfect I'll wait for that one.

616
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 1>At first, I'm like, could have been an accident.

617
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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no, there's a man with a gunshot wom'm

618
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 2>sitting in a canoe in his space, So okay, I

619
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<v Speaker 2>will wait to know more about that.

620
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<v Speaker 3>While if you asked doctor Famiu Malik, it very well

621
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:22.359
<v Speaker 3>could have been natural causes.

622
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>It's very true, very true.

623
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<v Speaker 2>The dog did it, absolutely.

624
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 1>And he was smoking thirty more marijuana cigarettes. So that's

625
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 1>what that is.

626
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.720
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Well, believe it or not, it wasn't

627
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>long before rumors started to spread about another woman possibly

628
00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 3>being Bessie Hyde under a new identity. In May of

629
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety two, Georgie White Clark, a legendary figure in

630
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 3>the field of river rafting, died of cancer at the

631
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:50.680
<v Speaker 3>age of eighty one. Georgie had worked as a river

632
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 3>rafting guide in the Grand Canyon for forty five years

633
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 3>and made history in nineteen fifty two when she became

634
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 3>the first woman to row the full length of both

635
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 3>the Grand Canyon and Arizona's Marble Canyon. Following her death,

636
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 3>Georgie's caretaker was searching through her lingerie er and was

637
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 3>surprised to discover a certified copy of Glenn and Bessie

638
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Hyde's marriage certificate, which also happened to be resting alongside

639
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 3>a pistol. Furthermore, when Georgie's birth certificate was uncovered, it

640
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.440
<v Speaker 3>revealed that she had originally been born under the name

641
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 3>Bessie de Ross, as White and Clark were the surnames

642
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 3>of the two ex husbands that she'd previously been married to.

643
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.319
<v Speaker 3>Throughout her life, Georgie was always known for being a

644
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:37.160
<v Speaker 3>very secretive woman, even to her closest friends and Georgie's caretaker,

645
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:40.359
<v Speaker 3>who also recalled her expressing a personal hatred towards Henry

646
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 3>coleb and refusing to even be in the same room

647
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.799
<v Speaker 3>with him, though she never specified why. So naturally, this

648
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:52.039
<v Speaker 3>only fueled speculation that Georgie White Clark was actually Bessie Hyde, however,

649
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.839
<v Speaker 3>since Georgie was about five inches taller than Bessie and

650
00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:58.079
<v Speaker 3>didn't really resemble her that much. However, since Georgie was

651
00:32:58.119 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 3>about five inches taller than Bessie and didn't really resemble

652
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:03.839
<v Speaker 3>her that much, it didn't take much for historians to

653
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 3>debunk this idea, particularly since Georgie's early life was well

654
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.920
<v Speaker 3>documented in a biography titled Woman on the River. Georgie

655
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.279
<v Speaker 3>married her first husband at an early age. It was

656
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.519
<v Speaker 3>only seventeen years old when she gave birth to a

657
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.359
<v Speaker 3>daughter in March of nineteen twenty nine. If Georgie was

658
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Bessie High, then this meant Bessie would have had to

659
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 3>have been five months pregnant at the time she vanished,

660
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.880
<v Speaker 3>so the idea of them being the same person was

661
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.559
<v Speaker 3>pretty much completely dismissed.

662
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.680
<v Speaker 2>And you don't stretch five inches older, you get right,

663
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 2>you actually shrink so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't work.

665
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 2>But what is bizarre is why would you have that

666
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 2>birth certificate there? Why the marriage certificates that seemed to

667
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.160
<v Speaker 2>line up? It is very odd. Are we sure those

668
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>items were found or could the caretaker have alluded to

669
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>these ideas thinking that she knew Georgie so well and

670
00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 2>that Emory Colb and that frustration with him might actually

671
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.319
<v Speaker 2>make the caretaker think that she could be Bessie. Was

672
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:02.680
<v Speaker 2>she caught up in somethingre Did she actually turn over

673
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>those documents?

674
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh? No, they did find the marriage certificate and it

675
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.599
<v Speaker 1>was certified and it was the real thing. And we

676
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 1>still don't know how Georgie acquired a copy. And I

677
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 1>guess it's my guess that she may have been such

678
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.880
<v Speaker 1>a historian about river rafting that maybe she had a

679
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 1>fascination with the hide disappearance and decided to acquire it

680
00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:24.280
<v Speaker 1>as a souvenir. But if so, she never talked about

681
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 1>it or showed it to anybody, because they did not

682
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 1>find it in her drawer till after her death. And

683
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 1>we still don't know the story about why she had

684
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.519
<v Speaker 1>a hatred towards Emery Cole. That is also a big mystery.

685
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>So I can understand why I'd be tempting to believe

686
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>that she might be Bessie, but obviously that has been

687
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.199
<v Speaker 1>completely debunked. So in two thousand and one, two separate

688
00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:45.800
<v Speaker 1>books about the disappearance of Glenn and Bessie Hyde were

689
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>released pretty much simultaneously. Interestingly enough, one of them was

690
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.239
<v Speaker 1>factual while the other was fictionalized, and apparently neither of

691
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the authors even knew that the other book was being published.

692
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>The factual book was sunk without a say. The Tragic

693
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Colorado River Honeymoon of Glen and Bessie Hyde, which was

694
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:07.400
<v Speaker 1>written by a Grand Canyon River guide named Brad Dimmick

695
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and is the most complete and detailed account of the story.

696
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.840
<v Speaker 1>As part of his research, Dimmick even went so far

697
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.760
<v Speaker 1>as to build an exact replica of the hides Wooden

698
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.679
<v Speaker 1>sweep scow and used it to travel down the Colorado

699
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 1>River in order to get an exact idea of what

700
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:25.559
<v Speaker 1>the couple went through. The other book was titled Grand Ambition,

701
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 1>and while author Lisa Michaels based the story on actual events,

702
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 1>it was written in the style of a fictional novel,

703
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>with Glenn and Bessie as the main characters. Anyway, in

704
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, there would finally be some answers

705
00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>about the male skeleton found in Emery Colbs boathouse. The

706
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 1>cold case squad at the Coconino County Sheriff's Office were

707
00:35:44.960 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 1>able to determine that the victim was likely an unidentified

708
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.840
<v Speaker 1>John Doe, who had been found in the Grand Canyon

709
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:54.119
<v Speaker 1>at Shoshone Point in June of nineteen thirty three. This

710
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.039
<v Speaker 1>discovery came about when the son of a former Grand

711
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>Canyon ranger sent a number of photographs and docum eguments

712
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>from his father's collection to the Grand Canyon Museum collection.

713
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 1>One of these photos featured the skeleton remains of the

714
00:36:07.199 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>aforementioned John Doe. When he was originally found. The victim

715
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.559
<v Speaker 1>carried no identification, and it was estimated that his actual

716
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 1>death occurred about two years beforehand. He had a bullet

717
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 1>hole in his right temple, and since a thirty two

718
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 1>caliber gun was next to the remains, his death was

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00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>ruled to be a suicide. Clothing fragments, a shoe and

720
00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:29.719
<v Speaker 1>a belt were also at the scene and perfectly matched

721
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 1>the same items found with Emery colb skeleton. It turned

722
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 1>out that in nineteen thirty three, Colb had been a

723
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 1>representative on the County Corner's journey for death inquests at

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00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:42.079
<v Speaker 1>the Grand Canyon. Since the John Doe could not be

725
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:44.519
<v Speaker 1>identified and there was no next of kin to claim

726
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.599
<v Speaker 1>his remains, it seemed likely that Colb took them home

727
00:36:47.679 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 1>himself and stored them in his boat house. In fact,

728
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Colb's grandson, who eventually found the remains four decades later,

729
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:58.039
<v Speaker 1>would recall having seen some bones on his grandfather's property

730
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 1>when he was just a small boy during the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>The actual identity of the John Doe is still unknown,

732
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but authorities are certain that no foul play was involved

733
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>in his death and he has no connection to the

734
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>High Case. As for Glenn and Bessie, the legend of

735
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>their disappearances continues to live on after nearly a century,

736
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 1>but the truth about what happened to them remains a mystery.

737
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.079
<v Speaker 1>So I guess you could say the path went chili.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it explains a lot, but that's still really bizarre.

739
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess back in the nineteen twenties and thirties, if

740
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>you were called to help with a crime scene and

741
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you helped figure out what went on, and no one

742
00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>came forward, why not just take the body home with you? Right,

743
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I get taking the case file home or taking

744
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe a piece of evidence or something maybe, but the body.

745
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of crazy, but really kind of interesting too.

746
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, you know what, I'll take it home.

747
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I'll uh.

748
00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.639
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like a little medical specimen I guess for

749
00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>him or part of the career he was doing. But man, today,

750
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.039
<v Speaker 2>looking back, that seems very bizarre.

751
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.639
<v Speaker 4>Didn't age well for sure, No.

752
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure he had good intentions. He's probably thinking, well,

753
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 1>if nobody claims this victim, he's probably gonna be burying

754
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>a pauper's grave and he'll be forgotten about. So I'll

755
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 1>just keep the remains on hand in case his family

756
00:38:17.280 --> 00:38:20.039
<v Speaker 1>does come forward someday. But you think he lived all

757
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:21.599
<v Speaker 1>the way to the age of ninety six, that at

758
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 1>some point he would maybe write into his will for

759
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>his grandkids say, and when I die and you find

760
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 1>some remains in my boat house, this is what happened

761
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 1>to them. So it is just kind of amusing that

762
00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 1>he kind of forgot about them for about four decades,

763
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 1>and that after he dies people start suspecting he's a

764
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>murderer or a serial killer or something because of this mistake.

765
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.440
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it made the whole thing, the connection to

766
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 1>the High case, less mysterious than we thought. But it

767
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:48.719
<v Speaker 1>is still a mystery. Who this person? Well, it was,

768
00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and I guess Cole technically did a good thing because

769
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:53.639
<v Speaker 1>if this victim had been buried in a pauper's grave

770
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>back in the nineteen thirties, people would have forgotten about him.

771
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.760
<v Speaker 1>But now he's part of this very mysterious story.

772
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Was it Robin where one of the investigators kept the

773
00:39:03.280 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 3>skull of the victim like on their desk?

774
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, I'm trying to remember that. Oh, I think

775
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:13.880
<v Speaker 1>it was the lady of the Dunes case. I remember

776
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 1>we talked about that and she was eventually identified. I'm

777
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>just gonna double check her name. Yeah, she was identified

778
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 1>by DNA testing a couple of years ago as a

779
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.239
<v Speaker 1>woman named Ruth Marie Terry. She was found murdered in Provincetown, Massachusetts,

780
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.719
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy four. But yeah, for many years afterwards,

781
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.760
<v Speaker 1>the lead investigator on the case actually kept the victim's

782
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>skull on his desk, just as a reminder, as a

783
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.440
<v Speaker 1>motivator to solve the case an identify her. But I'm

784
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.519
<v Speaker 1>sure if this happened today, a lot of people would

785
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.480
<v Speaker 1>frat upon that. So I think that about brings an

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<v Speaker 1>end to Part one. Join us next week as we

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<v Speaker 1>present part two of our series on the disappearances of

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn and Bessie Hyde.

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