Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Pathway Chili. I'm Robin, I'm Jules.
Speaker 2: And I'm Ashley. Let's dive right into this week's case.
Speaker 3: November fifteenth, nineteen twenty eight, Grand Canyon National Park, Arizona,
Speaker 3: twenty nine year old Glen Hyde and his twenty two
Speaker 3: year old wife Bessie decide to spend their honeymoon taking
Speaker 3: a rafting trip down the rapids of the Colorado River.
Speaker 3: Shortly after stopping at the home of a photographer named
Speaker 3: Emery Colb, the Hidees vanished without a and their empty
Speaker 3: boat is discovered in the river over one month later.
Speaker 3: Over the next several decades, there would be a number
Speaker 3: of twists and turns, including a woman you claimed to
Speaker 3: be Bessie Hyde, and the discovery of an unidentified male
Speaker 3: skeleton in Emery Colb's boat house, but no trace of
Speaker 3: Glen or Bessie is ever found after that.
Speaker 1: The path went Chili, So on this episode we are
Speaker 1: going to be traveling back nearly an entire century to
Speaker 1: cover a mystery which took place in the Grand Canyon,
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenty eight disappearances of Glenn and Bessie Hyde. Anyway,
Speaker 1: if you're an unsolved Mysteries fan, you're probably familiar with
Speaker 1: this story as it was featured on the very first
Speaker 1: episode of the show, hosted by Robert Stack. Glen and
Speaker 1: Bessie Hyde were a newlywed couple who decided to take
Speaker 1: a very adventurous honeymoon by embarking on a lengthy whitewater
Speaker 1: rafting trip through the Grand Canyon along the Colorado River,
Speaker 1: and they hoped to find fame by achieving a new
Speaker 1: speed record, but they would eventually go missing, and even
Speaker 1: though the couple's empty boat was found completely into with
Speaker 1: all their supplies still on board, Glenn and Bessie had
Speaker 1: seemingly vanished into thin air. This story has become a
Speaker 1: pretty legendary unsolved disappearance with a number of twists and turns,
Speaker 1: and even contains a compelling mystery within a mystery, as
Speaker 1: a skeleton initially believed to be Glenn Hyde, would be
Speaker 1: found on the property of one of the last people
Speaker 1: known to have seen the couple alive. Four decades later,
Speaker 1: there would also be a woman who popped up on
Speaker 1: another rafting trip through the Grand Canyon and told a
Speaker 1: number of witnesses that she was Bessie Hyde and had
Speaker 1: disappeared on her own and started a new life after
Speaker 1: killing her husband. All we know for certain is that
Speaker 1: nearly one hundred years have passed since the Hides went
Speaker 1: missing and they have still never been found. So I
Speaker 1: thought it was about time that the path went. Chile
Speaker 1: tackled the very first Mysterious Legends case featured on Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 2: Can my mouth already be hanging open? Because I need
Speaker 2: you guys to back up and clarify a couple of
Speaker 2: things for me. One, how cool that it was on
Speaker 2: the very first episode of Unsolved Mysteries. But okay, a
Speaker 2: body was founded. They believe Eve to be Glenn Hyde
Speaker 2: with the last known person he was seen with. And
Speaker 2: this woman forty years later says, I'm Bessie Hyde and
Speaker 2: I disappeared on my own after I killed my husband.
Speaker 2: Is there any information more about those two incidences and
Speaker 2: are we positive that either are either true or false
Speaker 2: at this time?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we'll definitely talk a lot more about them
Speaker 1: and talk about whether or not they are credible or not.
Speaker 1: But I brought up those two twists because I remember
Speaker 1: when I watched the Unsolved Mystery segment way back in
Speaker 1: like the late nineteen eighties. That that's what they focused on,
Speaker 1: the woman claiming to be Bessie and the mysterious skeleton
Speaker 1: found in the boat house belonging to Emery colp And
Speaker 1: I was like, what is going on here? Like? Are
Speaker 1: these connected to each other? I mean, when you first
Speaker 1: hear about a couple going missing on a whitewater rafting trip,
Speaker 1: you're thinking, initially, okay, it's probably obviously drowned. But then
Speaker 1: they had all these weird twists and turns come up
Speaker 1: in the story several decades later.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's where I am too. Are these real? What's happening?
Speaker 2: This is crazy? So keep telling me more.
Speaker 3: Okay. So our story begins in nineteen twenty eight, and
Speaker 3: our central figures are a newlywed couple from Twin Falls, Idaho,
Speaker 3: twenty nine year old Glen Hyde and his twenty two
Speaker 3: year old wife, Bessie Hyde. Glenn makes his living as
Speaker 3: a farmer, and the circumstances of how he got married
Speaker 3: to Bessie are pretty unusual, ironically enough, given what eventually
Speaker 3: happened to them. The couple first met on a passenger
Speaker 3: ship traveling from San Francisco to Los Angeles in February
Speaker 3: of nineteen twenty seven, and they pretty much fell head
Speaker 3: over heels in love with each other. The problem was
Speaker 3: that Bessie was technically still married to another man in
Speaker 3: another state at that point. Bessie was born in Maryland
Speaker 3: and raised in Parkersburg, West Virginia, under the name Bessie Hayley,
Speaker 3: and was attending Marshall College when she married a man
Speaker 3: named Earl Helmick in Kentucky in June of nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 3: Even though Bessie and Earle had known each other for
Speaker 3: years and attended high school together, their relationship was pretty
Speaker 3: much doomed from the start, as Earle was known to
Speaker 3: have a violent temper. The couple lived together for less
Speaker 3: than two months before they separated, and Bessie moved to
Speaker 3: San Francisco to study art in poetry at the California
Speaker 3: School of Fine Arts. It's been reported that while she
Speaker 3: was living there, Earl sent Bessie money for an operation,
Speaker 3: fueling speculation that she'd traveled out West to terminate an
Speaker 3: unwonted pregnancy or to secretly give birth to a child
Speaker 3: that she put up for adoption, but this has never
Speaker 3: officially been confirmed. Whatever the case, Bessie would meet Glen
Speaker 3: several months later and wanted to marry him as soon
Speaker 3: as possible, but Earle refused to grant her a divorce.
Speaker 3: In response, Bessie decided to move to Elko, Nevada, since
Speaker 3: the state had the most lenient divorce laws in the
Speaker 3: country at that time. She lived there for a couple
Speaker 3: of months to meet the residency requirements and filed for divorce,
Speaker 3: which was officially granted on April eleventh, nineteen twenty eight,
Speaker 3: when Earle failed to show up in court to contest it. Bessie,
Speaker 3: then in meeting, mediately traveled to Twin Falls to meet
Speaker 3: up with Glenn, and they were married the following day.
Speaker 2: So when you look at this, are we sure that
Speaker 2: there was money actually sent for this quote operation or
Speaker 2: is that still part of the speculation That.
Speaker 1: Is part of the speculation. I mean, this was back
Speaker 1: during the nineteen twenties, so I don't think we have
Speaker 1: like any hard records of this, and I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty much just gossip and rumors that they suspected that
Speaker 1: Bessie may become pregnant. And of course this is the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, when an abortion or giving up a child
Speaker 1: for adoption with scandalous, so they figured that, well, this
Speaker 1: is one of those cases where they sent her away
Speaker 1: before anyone noticed she was pregnant, and then just she
Speaker 1: miraculously reappeared after she had either terminated or given birth
Speaker 1: to the child. But it just kind of shows that
Speaker 1: Bessie was a woman who was kind of ahead of
Speaker 1: her time for willing to go through this during the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, and that she was a very independent woman
Speaker 1: who probably would not have been happy in a marriage
Speaker 1: to a guy like Earle and was much happier meeting
Speaker 1: up with an adventurous guy like Glenn.
Speaker 2: What's also interesting is that divorce would have been scandalous,
Speaker 2: and so even if the let's say the pregnancy rumors
Speaker 2: are false and there was no abortion or adoption, just
Speaker 2: her fact of saying, like, I'm so much over this
Speaker 2: other marriage, right, whether she was being abused or just
Speaker 2: wasn't happy or whatever was happening, she left her husband
Speaker 2: so had the confidence to have her own independence, and
Speaker 2: then does this whole elaborate scheme to go get residency
Speaker 2: somewhere else and actually petition for a divorce, risking the
Speaker 2: fact that he could show up if he ever found
Speaker 2: out about it, but really having this confidence that I
Speaker 2: bet I can beat the system and get away from
Speaker 2: this man and the very next day go be with
Speaker 2: my adventurer. Glenn's pretty pretty bold, especially back in the
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties, but I mean even today, that's a lot
Speaker 2: of power that she wielded.
Speaker 1: And it is kind of relevant to what we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about later because when we explore the theory
Speaker 1: about whether she decided to disappear on her own to
Speaker 1: get away from Glenn and start a new life, and
Speaker 1: you realize, well, she had gone through something like this
Speaker 1: before with her previous husband, so it's not impossible she
Speaker 1: could have attempted something like that again. Anyway, since Glenn
Speaker 1: was an avid outdoorsman and an experienced rafter who had
Speaker 1: run the salmon and snake rivers in Idaho, he came
Speaker 1: up with a very unusual idea for a delayed honeymoon.
Speaker 1: Glenn constructed a two tent. Glenn constructed a two ton,
Speaker 1: twenty foot long, five and a half foot wide, flat
Speaker 1: bottom wooden sweep scout, which he named Rain in the Face,
Speaker 1: and decided that he and Bessie would spend their honeymoon
Speaker 1: taking a lengthy whitewater rafting trip through the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: They would travel to Green River, Utah, and spend the
Speaker 1: next several weeks in their scou traveling hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: down the rapids of the Colorado River before they arrived
Speaker 1: in Needles, California. The Colorado River was considered to be
Speaker 1: the most dangerous stretch of water in the world at
Speaker 1: that point, and only forty five people had managed to
Speaker 1: travel the full two hundred and seventy seven mile length
Speaker 1: of the Grand Canyon by river. But Glenn was an
Speaker 1: adventurous thrill seeker who wanted to set a brand new
Speaker 1: all time speed record, and by taking Bessie along, she
Speaker 1: would make history by because I mean, the first documented
Speaker 1: woman to run the canyon. If they succeeded, the couple
Speaker 1: would likely become famous, and Glenn hoped that Bessie would
Speaker 1: use the writing skills to publish a book so they
Speaker 1: can make money recounting their adventure by touring the lecture circuit. Well,
Speaker 1: in spite of Glenn's vast river rapting experience, Bessie was
Speaker 1: pretty much a complete novice at this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Glenn also made the decision not to carry any life
Speaker 1: jackets on board the boat, as apparently using life jackets
Speaker 1: was just not something that was done in Idaho during
Speaker 1: that time period, and they were not even readily available.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's backtrack to this idea and the description of
Speaker 2: their craft. Okay, I love when you describe it. Used
Speaker 2: it a two ton, twenty foot long, five and a
Speaker 2: half foot wide, flat bottom wooden sweep scal And after
Speaker 2: that tongue twister, I went what the heck is that
Speaker 2: and googled it. Guys, it's basically like a huck Finn raft. Okay,
Speaker 2: side on it. It looks like you're going to be
Speaker 2: in an adventure novel. And for someone who's a novice,
Speaker 2: that's pretty crazy and scary, like my guts, like, uh,
Speaker 2: they simply had an accident and they drown or something happened.
Speaker 2: They hit their head on a rock because I would
Speaker 2: not go down on this sweep scal named rain in
Speaker 2: the face, right, it looks incredibly dangerous and they're not
Speaker 2: going down just some quiet river, they're going whitewater rafting.
Speaker 2: So if you get a chance, google it. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I do see where his adventure side said, we could
Speaker 2: really make something of this if we survived Asterist Right,
Speaker 2: if we survived this trip, we would be the talk
Speaker 2: of the town because this is crazy. You are correct, Glenn,
Speaker 2: it's crazy. So I assume that life vests were basically
Speaker 2: like seat belts used to be, where they just weren't
Speaker 2: part of the narrative and they just weren't very common.
Speaker 2: And so not shaming him for not having life jackets,
Speaker 2: but my god, he was definitely taking a knowing risk
Speaker 2: putting her on this sweep scal because, like I said,
Speaker 2: I just picture, you know, these two main characters with
Speaker 2: a piece of wood shoving themselves off the you know,
Speaker 2: side of a slow river. That's not what's happening here.
Speaker 2: They're going whitewater rafting on this basically flat piece of wood.
Speaker 3: I picture Bessie, who has gone through this arduous process
Speaker 3: of getting this divorce from her husband with the violent temper,
Speaker 3: and then she meets Glenn, you know, she falls in love,
Speaker 3: they get married, they're going on this honeymoon and then
Speaker 3: he's like, hey, babe, I've made this scow like on
Speaker 3: of wood, and guess what, We're going to go down
Speaker 3: a river and we don't have any flotation devices, so
Speaker 3: we're just taking our life in our hands. Yes, we've
Speaker 3: found love and we will be legends if we make
Speaker 3: it all the way through, but who knows, we may
Speaker 3: not escape with our lives.
Speaker 2: It's a big if, right, And I almost see her
Speaker 2: like an Amelia Earhart character, Like she's got this scarf
Speaker 2: flapping in the wind, and she's got her goggles on
Speaker 2: and she's.
Speaker 1: Ready to go.
Speaker 2: But that's that's probably not what it looked like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's one of the big mysteries of this story,
Speaker 1: because I've heard different narratives where some sources say that
Speaker 1: Bessie was terrified of the idea, but some other sources
Speaker 1: say she was enthusiastic. But most women when they hear
Speaker 1: this story have this reaction saying, not only would I
Speaker 1: not want to do this, but I certainly want to
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do this on my honeymoon to a
Speaker 1: guy I just married, Because even though Glenn's added like
Speaker 1: an adventurous guy, going down two hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 1: miles in like a piece of wood is my idea
Speaker 1: of a good time.
Speaker 3: And like, would she have been as aware of the
Speaker 3: safety risks as we are today? Like, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: that's a big no, because they don't have access to
Speaker 3: the internet, and if there are accidents doing something similar, like,
Speaker 3: are you really going to hear about it? So you
Speaker 3: really are going in blind in a way that we
Speaker 3: wouldn't today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they said forty five people made this trip
Speaker 1: successfully at that point, but I guess they didn't hear
Speaker 1: the statistics on how many people did nick successfully and
Speaker 1: drowned who didn't live to.
Speaker 2: Tell the tell, right, It's absolutely true.
Speaker 3: It's like an old timey version of like doing K
Speaker 3: two or something. The Hides began their trip in Green
Speaker 3: River on October twentieth, and the legend has it that
Speaker 3: an experienced river rafter who saw glens scow described it
Speaker 3: as a quote Wooden Coffin, and he expressed his belief
Speaker 3: that it's not safe enough.
Speaker 4: For the sort of trip.
Speaker 3: Regardless, the Hides managed to complete the first leg of
Speaker 3: their journey and made it to the Grand Canyon National
Speaker 3: Park in record time. The two hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 3: mile trip through the canyon on the Colorado River could
Speaker 3: easily be documented by the mile markers, which were placed
Speaker 3: at various locations, and on November fifteen, the couple arrived
Speaker 3: at the Phantom Ranch near River mile eighty eight. They
Speaker 3: then proceeded to hike up the Bright Angel Trail until
Speaker 3: they arrived at the home of a photographer named Emery Colb.
Speaker 3: Emory and his brother, Ellsworth Colb had become legendary figures
Speaker 3: in the Grand Canyon by successfully navigating the Colorado River
Speaker 3: and filming the entire experience. Emory's home also doubled as
Speaker 3: a photography studio named Cold Studio, which had been in
Speaker 3: business for nearly twenty five years. At this point, Glenn
Speaker 3: knew that Colb was pretty much the area's foremost expert
Speaker 3: on the Colorado River, which is why he and Bessie
Speaker 3: paid him a visit, and while there, the Hides asked
Speaker 3: Colb to take a photograph of them posing by the
Speaker 3: canyon's rim. However, during their interactions, Cold noticed that Bessie
Speaker 3: seemed to have grown tired of the trip and appeared
Speaker 3: apprehensive because they were about to embark on the most
Speaker 3: dangerous stretch of the river. Earlier on their journey, while
Speaker 3: traveling through the rapids of the Cataract Canyon, Bessie, who
Speaker 3: was only five feet tall and weighed ninety pounds, was
Speaker 3: knocked into the water, but Glenn managed to grab her
Speaker 3: ankle and pull her back into the boat. Glunnad also
Speaker 3: apparently fallen out of the scal on two separate occasions
Speaker 3: before Bessie managed to get a rope to him. Since
Speaker 3: the Hides were going to be facing cold winter weather,
Speaker 3: Cold proposed the idea of them staying with him for
Speaker 3: a while until the weather improved, but Glenn refused. Colb
Speaker 3: also offered to let the hides boils his life jackets
Speaker 3: or some inner tubes, but Glenn turned this down as well,
Speaker 3: referring to the items as quote artificial aids and assuring
Speaker 3: Cold but he and Bessie were both very strong swimmers.
Speaker 3: Before the Hides left, Cold's young daughter said goodbye to them,
Speaker 3: and Bessie looked at the shoes the girl was wearing
Speaker 3: and said, quote, I wonder if I shall ever wear
Speaker 3: pretty shoes again. End quote. The Hides then hiked back
Speaker 3: down right Angel trail, climb back into their boat, and
Speaker 3: continued their trip down the river.
Speaker 2: Let's all think boat in quotes. Okay, because again this
Speaker 2: is such a bizarre craft that they're going to travel
Speaker 2: this really treacherous track on, and you listen to the
Speaker 2: way that Glenn is actually given lifelines, and people who
Speaker 2: are very familiar with the area are saying like, Hey.
Speaker 1: Have you thought about this?
Speaker 2: Do you want us to give you this? And it's
Speaker 2: almost as though Glenn says, I don't want any of
Speaker 2: those quote artificial aids because he so desperately wants that story.
Speaker 2: We did it without this, We did it better than
Speaker 2: the forty five people before us, right, he wants this
Speaker 2: grand adventure story. And even in the face of seeing
Speaker 2: Bessie's struggle, having people warn him about dangers, offering these
Speaker 2: lifelines to him, seeing that Bessie's kind of getting worn out,
Speaker 2: and knowing that they've already had close calls on the
Speaker 2: easier part of the trip, it almost just seems like
Speaker 2: arrogance and kind of ignorance on his part.
Speaker 3: I just mentioned K two again. It reminds me of
Speaker 3: people who are like, I want to hike to the
Speaker 3: summit of either like Anna Perna or K two or
Speaker 3: Everest without any oxygen, and it's like this badge of honors.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, I made it to the top without
Speaker 3: the oxygen, even though it's far safer to bring that
Speaker 3: oxygen along with you and just use it.
Speaker 2: If you need it, Yep, at the end, you made
Speaker 2: it anyway.
Speaker 1: It's like giving birth.
Speaker 2: I'm like, give me all the medicine because I'm gonna
Speaker 2: have a baby too.
Speaker 1: Let's just do it. Yeah. I think it was just
Speaker 1: a cultural thing at that time where Glenn grew up
Speaker 1: in Idaho, just thinking you just don't wear life jackets
Speaker 1: because if you take a trip like that and you
Speaker 1: wear a quote unquote artificial aid the entire time, then
Speaker 1: to totally invalidates your accomplishment. So I think that's why
Speaker 1: he stubbornly refused to take them.
Speaker 3: But it kind of feels like he's being rather reckless
Speaker 3: and disregarding the safety of his wife, Like he would
Speaker 3: rather have this badge of honor to be able to
Speaker 3: make it without an artificial aid than ensure that Betsy
Speaker 3: is safe. If you don't want the life jacket or
Speaker 3: the inner two, cool, but like, why don't you ask
Speaker 3: Betsy what she wants to do?
Speaker 1: So the following day, the hide stop at a tourist
Speaker 1: facility and bumped into a tourist named Adolf Gilbert Sutro,
Speaker 1: whose grandfather had been mayor of San Francisco during the
Speaker 1: late nineteenth century. In exchange for some supplies, the Hides
Speaker 1: agreed to allow suit Or to hitch a ride on
Speaker 1: their boat with them for the next couple of miles
Speaker 1: while they traveled downstream to Hermit Camp. Sutro took one
Speaker 1: final photograph of Glenn and Bessie before they went their
Speaker 1: separate ways, but after this there would be no more
Speaker 1: confirmed sightings of the Hides. They failed to arrive at
Speaker 1: the Needles, California at their schedule time, and when Glenn's father,
Speaker 1: Our Sea Hide, did not hear from them by December
Speaker 1: to sixth, he organized a search effort involving the National
Speaker 1: Park Service and several volunteers. Arcia had previously lost two
Speaker 1: sons when they were children, and was so dedicated to
Speaker 1: finding Glenn that he pretty much drove himself into poverty
Speaker 1: by financing multiple searches over the next few years. At
Speaker 1: one point during their journey, the Hides across passed with
Speaker 1: a reporter from the Denver Post and shared their story,
Speaker 1: which soon garnered some coverage in the press, and by
Speaker 1: the time the couple went missing, the search for them
Speaker 1: became national news. In fact, the story got so much
Speaker 1: attention that it even wound up reaching President Calvin Coolidge,
Speaker 1: who ordered his Secretary of War to authorize an air
Speaker 1: search of Grand Canyon National Park with an army plane.
Speaker 1: While on December the nineteenth, the plane finally spotted the
Speaker 1: Hyde skow, which appeared to be trapped in some rocks
Speaker 1: in the middle of the water near river mile two
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Even though the boat seemed to be intact,
Speaker 1: Glen and Bessie were not inside. It would not be
Speaker 1: until Christmas Day when a search party which included Emery
Speaker 1: and Ellsworth Cob made it to this location and located
Speaker 1: the scow. Much like when it was spotted from the
Speaker 1: search plane, the boat was fully intact, with no noticeable
Speaker 1: signs of damage, and was fully stocked with supplies and
Speaker 1: the hide's personal possession, including their clothing and hiking boots,
Speaker 1: Glenn's rifle, and a diary that Betsy had been using
Speaker 1: to chronicle their journey. The only thing which appeared to
Speaker 1: be missing was the hides themselves. Forty two notches were
Speaker 1: found carved in the boat's gunwale, which seemed to represent
Speaker 1: each day of the trip. If the count was accurate,
Speaker 1: then this meant that the last notch had been carved
Speaker 1: on November thirtieth, which coincided with the date of the
Speaker 1: final entry in Bessie's diary. The scow's bowline stretched from
Speaker 1: the front of the boat into the river and appeared
Speaker 1: to be fastened into crevice in one of the rocks
Speaker 1: and had caught on something underwater. Since the Coal brothers
Speaker 1: had no success with their attempts to dislodge the bowline,
Speaker 1: they decided to cut it. In spite of this discovery,
Speaker 1: subsequent search efforts turned up no trace of Glenn or Bessie.
Speaker 2: Am I right to think that it sounds as if
Speaker 2: the scal gets there almost like it floated down river
Speaker 2: without someone on it and gets lodged in this place,
Speaker 2: And that rope was not officially tied off, it was
Speaker 2: actually jammed in somewhere and kind of caught up on stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what some people think. And there's even speculation
Speaker 1: that it could have been attached to maybe Glenn or
Speaker 1: Bessie's body, and that maybe the cold has made a
Speaker 1: mistake by cutting the bowline, because if they had pulled
Speaker 1: up on it, they might have found the couple. But
Speaker 1: this has never been conclusively proven.
Speaker 2: Ooh, even if one of them was trying to save
Speaker 2: the other one. Remember, at certain points Bessie had already
Speaker 2: had to rope Glenn back in after he was trying
Speaker 2: to rescue her. So that isn't like an impossible idea
Speaker 2: because we've seen that action on their ride specifically. But
Speaker 2: it's also possible they got bucked out of the scal
Speaker 2: that they one of them fell and hit their head
Speaker 2: trying to rescue the other one. I mean that could
Speaker 2: have had anywhere along the route, and then that boat
Speaker 2: gets lodged just by naturally drifting with the currents.
Speaker 1: And I think this is what makes it stand out
Speaker 1: more than most mysteries where people go missing on a
Speaker 1: boat is if it been found like floating in the river,
Speaker 1: tipped over, and the supplies were scattered everywhere, then it
Speaker 1: would seem obvious that they got into an accident and drowned.
Speaker 1: But this one has an extra feeling of eeriness to
Speaker 1: it because everything about the boat was intact, all the
Speaker 1: supplies were there, but Glenn and Bessie just seemed like
Speaker 1: they had vanished into thin air.
Speaker 2: I wonder how hard it is. How hard is it
Speaker 2: to flip a five foot wide piece of like wood
Speaker 2: with sides on it? Is it a harder thing to
Speaker 2: flip over than a typical boat or is that easier
Speaker 2: to tip over?
Speaker 1: Good question, and I don't want to test it and
Speaker 1: try it.
Speaker 2: See come on now, I'm wondering for is it more
Speaker 2: stability on that and that simply the waves would knock
Speaker 2: you out because it doesn't rotate or like ride the
Speaker 2: waves as well as something that has more of a
Speaker 2: curve to the base of the boat, right, which is
Speaker 2: why boats have that. But what it all so then
Speaker 2: be harder to flip over, So that's why it looks
Speaker 2: quote intact instead of capsize.
Speaker 3: I think that's possible because of the shape of the boat.
Speaker 3: You might be more likely to get thrown off since
Speaker 3: we know that Glenn was thrown off twice, Bessie was
Speaker 3: thrown off once, and it seems statistically improbable. But there's
Speaker 3: a lot of debris and logs and rocks in rivers
Speaker 3: like that, and so a body could potentially get stuck
Speaker 3: underneath those things. And even though the gases would develop
Speaker 3: in the gut, which usually brings bodies to the surface,
Speaker 3: that wouldn't necessarily happen. It seems unlikely with two bodies,
Speaker 3: but it could have happened the last specific location Bessie
Speaker 3: had mentioned in her diary was Diamond Creek, rapid located
Speaker 3: at River mile two twenty five, and evidence was discovered
Speaker 3: to suggest the hides and set up camp in the area.
Speaker 3: In fact, two years later, a search party for an
Speaker 3: unrelated event wound up finding an inscription on the beam
Speaker 3: of a ceiling in an old shack near Diamond Creek.
Speaker 3: It read quote Glenn and Bessie Hide November thirty first,
Speaker 3: nineteen twenty eight. If either Glenn or Bessie had inscribed that,
Speaker 3: they probably did so on December first of that year
Speaker 3: and had forgotten that November only had thirty days. There
Speaker 3: was also an eyewitness account from a prospector who reportedly
Speaker 3: saw a brown leather jacket floating in the Colorado River
Speaker 3: around the approximate time the Hides went missing. The currents
Speaker 3: were too swift for him to retrieve it, but Bessie
Speaker 3: was known to have worn a leather jacket on the trip. Ironically,
Speaker 3: the location the boat was found was just over forty
Speaker 3: miles from the mouth of the Grand Canyon, and if
Speaker 3: the details in Bessie's diary were accurate, the couple had
Speaker 3: actually been ahead of schedule and would have easily broken
Speaker 3: the speed record if they had traveled the entire distance. Anyway,
Speaker 3: even though the hide's bodies could not be found, many
Speaker 3: people suspected that Glenn and Bessie had fallen out of
Speaker 3: their scow and drowned in the river. Others theorized that
Speaker 3: they may have become separated from the boat and attempted
Speaker 3: to hike their way to the canyon, but died of
Speaker 3: exposure before they made it. However, over the course of
Speaker 3: the next several decades, a number of unusual events would occur,
Speaker 3: which caused speculation that there was a lot more to
Speaker 3: the story.
Speaker 2: Well, also, if you think about them, if they were
Speaker 2: truly ahead of schedule, is that because of this incredible
Speaker 2: skill or could it be because of some kind of recklessness.
Speaker 2: Glenn's already shown some kind of, you know, tendency to
Speaker 2: be almost arrogant in his confidence of how he's going
Speaker 2: to do this trip.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to really pay attention to timelines. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to worry about what the safest route would be.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to try to have these claims to fame. So,
Speaker 2: if he was trying to be the fastest to ever
Speaker 2: do it, and maybe they were ahead of schedule. Could
Speaker 2: it be a result of recklessness and not just this
Speaker 2: incredible feat which then could have led to them getting
Speaker 2: hurt as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's entirely possible that they were so ahead
Speaker 1: of schedule that they were not taking safety precautions. And
Speaker 1: maybe Glenn thought they were invincible, saying that, or we're
Speaker 1: going to show like several days before anyone's expecting us to,
Speaker 1: and that led to him making more chances, taking more risks,
Speaker 1: and eventually they reached a point where they did something
Speaker 1: too dangerous and it cost them their lives. So in
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy one, a tour group went on a three
Speaker 1: week commercial rafting trip through the Grand Canyon, and near
Speaker 1: the end of their trip, they set up camp at
Speaker 1: Diamond Creek. Since this was near the location where Glenn
Speaker 1: and Bessie Hyde's boat had been found four decades earlier,
Speaker 1: the tour guy decided to share the story about their
Speaker 1: mysterious disappearance around the campfire that night. It was here
Speaker 1: that an elderly woman in the group named Elizabeth Cutler
Speaker 1: remarked that she was actually Bessie Hyde. She claimed that
Speaker 1: Glenn had become so obsessed with completing the rafting trip
Speaker 1: that things erupted into a violent fight, which resulted in
Speaker 1: Glenn beating her. In response, she grabbed a knife, stabbed
Speaker 1: Blent to death, sank his body, and let their float
Speaker 1: and let their boat float downstream. She then proceeded to
Speaker 1: hike her own way out of the Grand Canyon to
Speaker 1: Peach Springs, climbed on a bus, and then went on
Speaker 1: to start a new life for herself under her new identity.
Speaker 1: Well The other members of the group initially figured that
Speaker 1: Cutler was just making up this story, even though she
Speaker 1: would have been around the same age as Bessie if
Speaker 1: she was still alive at that time, But word about
Speaker 1: this story eventually spread, and when historians tracked down Cutler
Speaker 1: to her home in Palm mo Roy, Ohio and asked
Speaker 1: her about it, she denied ever telling the story and
Speaker 1: claimed to have never heard of Glen or Bessie Hyde.
Speaker 1: Once further research was done, it became clear that Kutler's
Speaker 1: story could not have been true. Not only was she
Speaker 1: around half a foot taller than Bessie Hyde, but birth
Speaker 1: records showed that Kutler was born in Palm Moroy on
Speaker 1: December the second nineteen oh eight. In fact, old newspaper
Speaker 1: articles were uncovered which showed photographs of Cutler attending some
Speaker 1: family reunions in Palm Roy, Ohio during the late nineteen twenties,
Speaker 1: effectively debunking the idea that she was Bessie Hyde living
Speaker 1: under a false identity. Cydler died in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: and since she had once worked as a psychology professor
Speaker 1: and had a reputation for playing games with people, this
Speaker 1: may have been the reason she decided to tell people
Speaker 1: she was Bessie.
Speaker 2: That's interesting that you have this psychology professor who's almost
Speaker 2: making the world her experiment or her playground, right to say, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do these psychological experiments on people. She
Speaker 2: has to be a pretty smart cookie to be, you know,
Speaker 2: young and becoming a professor and a woman back then, right,
Speaker 2: pursuing that kind of career, and so she's no dummy.
Speaker 2: But it's really interesting that she would take on such
Speaker 2: a powerful, hurtful, dangerous narrative to play with people with.
Speaker 2: This is saying I even she's saying I killed somebody, right.
Speaker 2: How did she think she.
Speaker 1: Get away with that?
Speaker 2: Or what was the perk in doing something like that.
Speaker 1: But she's a load of saying no, I killed my
Speaker 1: husband and pretending to be someone else. And it's like,
Speaker 1: even though it would be effectively debunked, like you're out
Speaker 1: in the woods alone with these strangers, Like, how do
Speaker 1: you think they're going to react if they find out
Speaker 1: you confess to killing someone? And thankfully, I think at
Speaker 1: the time they just thought she was joking, so they
Speaker 1: didn't really take it that seriously. But it just seems
Speaker 1: like a very brazen thing to do, to confess to
Speaker 1: a murder you didn't do while you're out there in
Speaker 1: the woods with a bunch of strangers. So the next
Speaker 1: surprise development took place when Emery Coal passed away on
Speaker 1: December the eleventh, nineteen seventy six, at the age of
Speaker 1: ninety six. Two months later, Colp's grandson was going through
Speaker 1: the boathouse on his property at Cold Studio when he
Speaker 1: was surprised to discover the remains of a male skeleton
Speaker 1: inside a canoe being kept in the rafters. Some remnants
Speaker 1: of clothing, a shoe and a belt were next to
Speaker 1: the remains, and everything was subsequently turned over to the
Speaker 1: Coconino County Medical Examiner's Office. The victim was determined to
Speaker 1: have been a Caucasian mail in his twenties, but most importantly,
Speaker 1: a bullet from a thirty two caliber gun was found
Speaker 1: embedded in his skull and there was a bullet hole
Speaker 1: in his right temple. Tests showed that the bullet originated
Speaker 1: from a Revolver originally manufactured in nineteen oh two, and
Speaker 1: the condition of the bones and the clothing fragments seemed
Speaker 1: to suggest that the victim's death that occurred sometime during
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. Of course, this began to feel rumors
Speaker 1: that the victim was Glenn Hyde and that Emery Colb
Speaker 1: could have murdered him well. Like I mentioned on the intro,
Speaker 1: this case would be featured on the very first episode
Speaker 1: of Unsolved Mysteries hosted by Robert Stack, which originally aired
Speaker 1: on November twenty nine to nineteen eighty seven. For the segment,
Speaker 1: the show consulted with doctor Walter Burkby, a forensic anthropologist
Speaker 1: from the University of Arizona. While Birkeby was a nationally
Speaker 1: recognized expert in his field and it earned the nickname
Speaker 1: Doctor Death because he specialized and unidentified human remains basically
Speaker 1: long before the era of DNA testing and websites such
Speaker 1: as the dough Network, Doctor Birkby was one of the
Speaker 1: best people to turn to if you ever wanted to
Speaker 1: identify the skeleton remains of a John or Jane Doe,
Speaker 1: so the skeleton found in Colb's boat house was passed
Speaker 1: on to him. The segment showed Birkeby performing a test
Speaker 1: where he compared the facial structure of the skull to
Speaker 1: a photograph of Glenn Hyde and to Term and they
Speaker 1: did not match at all. Well, Burntney was unable to
Speaker 1: determine the victim's true identity. He was able to conclude
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent certainty that it was not Glenn.
Speaker 1: Of course, this only opened up a lot more unanswered questions,
Speaker 1: creating a mystery within a mystery about who the remains
Speaker 1: did actually belong to and why Colb had been keeping
Speaker 1: them on his property.
Speaker 2: So bizarre, and it's almost like they weren't even hidden.
Speaker 2: They're just in this canoe. So it's they're going through
Speaker 2: his stuff and it's like, oh, yeah, here's also a body.
Speaker 2: I mean, who was that and what the heck was
Speaker 2: he doing with it? Is it someone that got hurt
Speaker 2: on a trip with him. Is it somebody that he
Speaker 2: actually did? No, he's shot, right, this guy shot in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, later on in the episode, we're going to
Speaker 1: reveal who this person probably was. This is kind of
Speaker 1: a logical explanation for it. But when Unsolved Mysteries here
Speaker 1: their episode back in nineteen eighty seven, they still had
Speaker 1: no idea. So a lot of people watching at the
Speaker 1: time were thinking that Emery Colb, this legendary photography was
Speaker 1: actually like a clotset serial killer or something like why
Speaker 1: was he keeping remains in his boat house? But it
Speaker 1: turned out that the explanation was a lot less gruesome
Speaker 1: than barrigely thought.
Speaker 2: Perfect I'll wait for that one.
Speaker 1: At first, I'm like, could have been an accident.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there's a man with a gunshot wom'm
Speaker 2: sitting in a canoe in his space, So okay, I
Speaker 2: will wait to know more about that.
Speaker 3: While if you asked doctor Famiu Malik, it very well
Speaker 3: could have been natural causes.
Speaker 1: It's very true, very true.
Speaker 2: The dog did it, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And he was smoking thirty more marijuana cigarettes. So that's
Speaker 1: what that is.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Well, believe it or not, it wasn't
Speaker 3: long before rumors started to spread about another woman possibly
Speaker 3: being Bessie Hyde under a new identity. In May of
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two, Georgie White Clark, a legendary figure in
Speaker 3: the field of river rafting, died of cancer at the
Speaker 3: age of eighty one. Georgie had worked as a river
Speaker 3: rafting guide in the Grand Canyon for forty five years
Speaker 3: and made history in nineteen fifty two when she became
Speaker 3: the first woman to row the full length of both
Speaker 3: the Grand Canyon and Arizona's Marble Canyon. Following her death,
Speaker 3: Georgie's caretaker was searching through her lingerie er and was
Speaker 3: surprised to discover a certified copy of Glenn and Bessie
Speaker 3: Hyde's marriage certificate, which also happened to be resting alongside
Speaker 3: a pistol. Furthermore, when Georgie's birth certificate was uncovered, it
Speaker 3: revealed that she had originally been born under the name
Speaker 3: Bessie de Ross, as White and Clark were the surnames
Speaker 3: of the two ex husbands that she'd previously been married to.
Speaker 3: Throughout her life, Georgie was always known for being a
Speaker 3: very secretive woman, even to her closest friends and Georgie's caretaker,
Speaker 3: who also recalled her expressing a personal hatred towards Henry
Speaker 3: coleb and refusing to even be in the same room
Speaker 3: with him, though she never specified why. So naturally, this
Speaker 3: only fueled speculation that Georgie White Clark was actually Bessie Hyde, however,
Speaker 3: since Georgie was about five inches taller than Bessie and
Speaker 3: didn't really resemble her that much. However, since Georgie was
Speaker 3: about five inches taller than Bessie and didn't really resemble
Speaker 3: her that much, it didn't take much for historians to
Speaker 3: debunk this idea, particularly since Georgie's early life was well
Speaker 3: documented in a biography titled Woman on the River. Georgie
Speaker 3: married her first husband at an early age. It was
Speaker 3: only seventeen years old when she gave birth to a
Speaker 3: daughter in March of nineteen twenty nine. If Georgie was
Speaker 3: Bessie High, then this meant Bessie would have had to
Speaker 3: have been five months pregnant at the time she vanished,
Speaker 3: so the idea of them being the same person was
Speaker 3: pretty much completely dismissed.
Speaker 2: And you don't stretch five inches older, you get right,
Speaker 2: you actually shrink so yeah.
Speaker 1: That doesn't work.
Speaker 2: But what is bizarre is why would you have that
Speaker 2: birth certificate there? Why the marriage certificates that seemed to
Speaker 2: line up? It is very odd. Are we sure those
Speaker 2: items were found or could the caretaker have alluded to
Speaker 2: these ideas thinking that she knew Georgie so well and
Speaker 2: that Emory Colb and that frustration with him might actually
Speaker 2: make the caretaker think that she could be Bessie. Was
Speaker 2: she caught up in somethingre Did she actually turn over
Speaker 2: those documents?
Speaker 1: Oh? No, they did find the marriage certificate and it
Speaker 1: was certified and it was the real thing. And we
Speaker 1: still don't know how Georgie acquired a copy. And I
Speaker 1: guess it's my guess that she may have been such
Speaker 1: a historian about river rafting that maybe she had a
Speaker 1: fascination with the hide disappearance and decided to acquire it
Speaker 1: as a souvenir. But if so, she never talked about
Speaker 1: it or showed it to anybody, because they did not
Speaker 1: find it in her drawer till after her death. And
Speaker 1: we still don't know the story about why she had
Speaker 1: a hatred towards Emery Cole. That is also a big mystery.
Speaker 1: So I can understand why I'd be tempting to believe
Speaker 1: that she might be Bessie, but obviously that has been
Speaker 1: completely debunked. So in two thousand and one, two separate
Speaker 1: books about the disappearance of Glenn and Bessie Hyde were
Speaker 1: released pretty much simultaneously. Interestingly enough, one of them was
Speaker 1: factual while the other was fictionalized, and apparently neither of
Speaker 1: the authors even knew that the other book was being published.
Speaker 1: The factual book was sunk without a say. The Tragic
Speaker 1: Colorado River Honeymoon of Glen and Bessie Hyde, which was
Speaker 1: written by a Grand Canyon River guide named Brad Dimmick
Speaker 1: and is the most complete and detailed account of the story.
Speaker 1: As part of his research, Dimmick even went so far
Speaker 1: as to build an exact replica of the hides Wooden
Speaker 1: sweep scow and used it to travel down the Colorado
Speaker 1: River in order to get an exact idea of what
Speaker 1: the couple went through. The other book was titled Grand Ambition,
Speaker 1: and while author Lisa Michaels based the story on actual events,
Speaker 1: it was written in the style of a fictional novel,
Speaker 1: with Glenn and Bessie as the main characters. Anyway, in
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, there would finally be some answers
Speaker 1: about the male skeleton found in Emery Colbs boathouse. The
Speaker 1: cold case squad at the Coconino County Sheriff's Office were
Speaker 1: able to determine that the victim was likely an unidentified
Speaker 1: John Doe, who had been found in the Grand Canyon
Speaker 1: at Shoshone Point in June of nineteen thirty three. This
Speaker 1: discovery came about when the son of a former Grand
Speaker 1: Canyon ranger sent a number of photographs and docum eguments
Speaker 1: from his father's collection to the Grand Canyon Museum collection.
Speaker 1: One of these photos featured the skeleton remains of the
Speaker 1: aforementioned John Doe. When he was originally found. The victim
Speaker 1: carried no identification, and it was estimated that his actual
Speaker 1: death occurred about two years beforehand. He had a bullet
Speaker 1: hole in his right temple, and since a thirty two
Speaker 1: caliber gun was next to the remains, his death was
Speaker 1: ruled to be a suicide. Clothing fragments, a shoe and
Speaker 1: a belt were also at the scene and perfectly matched
Speaker 1: the same items found with Emery colb skeleton. It turned
Speaker 1: out that in nineteen thirty three, Colb had been a
Speaker 1: representative on the County Corner's journey for death inquests at
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon. Since the John Doe could not be
Speaker 1: identified and there was no next of kin to claim
Speaker 1: his remains, it seemed likely that Colb took them home
Speaker 1: himself and stored them in his boat house. In fact,
Speaker 1: Colb's grandson, who eventually found the remains four decades later,
Speaker 1: would recall having seen some bones on his grandfather's property
Speaker 1: when he was just a small boy during the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: The actual identity of the John Doe is still unknown,
Speaker 1: but authorities are certain that no foul play was involved
Speaker 1: in his death and he has no connection to the
Speaker 1: High Case. As for Glenn and Bessie, the legend of
Speaker 1: their disappearances continues to live on after nearly a century,
Speaker 1: but the truth about what happened to them remains a mystery.
Speaker 1: So I guess you could say the path went chili.
Speaker 2: Okay, it explains a lot, but that's still really bizarre.
Speaker 2: I guess back in the nineteen twenties and thirties, if
Speaker 2: you were called to help with a crime scene and
Speaker 2: you helped figure out what went on, and no one
Speaker 2: came forward, why not just take the body home with you? Right,
Speaker 2: Like I get taking the case file home or taking
Speaker 2: maybe a piece of evidence or something maybe, but the body.
Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy, but really kind of interesting too.
Speaker 2: So he's like, you know what, I'll take it home.
Speaker 1: I'll uh.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a little medical specimen I guess for
Speaker 2: him or part of the career he was doing. But man, today,
Speaker 2: looking back, that seems very bizarre.
Speaker 4: Didn't age well for sure, No.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure he had good intentions. He's probably thinking, well,
Speaker 1: if nobody claims this victim, he's probably gonna be burying
Speaker 1: a pauper's grave and he'll be forgotten about. So I'll
Speaker 1: just keep the remains on hand in case his family
Speaker 1: does come forward someday. But you think he lived all
Speaker 1: the way to the age of ninety six, that at
Speaker 1: some point he would maybe write into his will for
Speaker 1: his grandkids say, and when I die and you find
Speaker 1: some remains in my boat house, this is what happened
Speaker 1: to them. So it is just kind of amusing that
Speaker 1: he kind of forgot about them for about four decades,
Speaker 1: and that after he dies people start suspecting he's a
Speaker 1: murderer or a serial killer or something because of this mistake.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it made the whole thing, the connection to
Speaker 1: the High case, less mysterious than we thought. But it
Speaker 1: is still a mystery. Who this person? Well, it was,
Speaker 1: and I guess Cole technically did a good thing because
Speaker 1: if this victim had been buried in a pauper's grave
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen thirties, people would have forgotten about him.
Speaker 1: But now he's part of this very mysterious story.
Speaker 3: Was it Robin where one of the investigators kept the
Speaker 3: skull of the victim like on their desk?
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I'm trying to remember that. Oh, I think
Speaker 1: it was the lady of the Dunes case. I remember
Speaker 1: we talked about that and she was eventually identified. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna double check her name. Yeah, she was identified
Speaker 1: by DNA testing a couple of years ago as a
Speaker 1: woman named Ruth Marie Terry. She was found murdered in Provincetown, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four. But yeah, for many years afterwards,
Speaker 1: the lead investigator on the case actually kept the victim's
Speaker 1: skull on his desk, just as a reminder, as a
Speaker 1: motivator to solve the case an identify her. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure if this happened today, a lot of people would
Speaker 1: frat upon that. So I think that about brings an
Speaker 1: end to Part one. Join us next week as we
Speaker 1: present part two of our series on the disappearances of
Speaker 1: Glenn and Bessie Hyde.
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