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Speaker 1: UH California and UH the wildfire situation. I've seen as
Speaker 1: many of us have seen UH videos of UH what
Speaker 1: is going on with the wildfire in in in California
Speaker 1: and see scenes of different area neighborhoods in UH the
Speaker 1: path of of the wildfires and the devastation with UH.
Speaker 1: According to report that we got from UH from Fox
Speaker 1: that fire hydrant UH systems are running out of water
Speaker 1: in certain areas and making it difficult for UH fire
Speaker 1: companies to do their job and protect homes. But also
Speaker 1: in that same report, we heard that that citizens themselves
Speaker 1: are helping helping the efforts and protecting homes and neighbors'
Speaker 1: homes and doing what they can to assess the fire department.
Speaker 1: In one particular case, a gentleman allowed the f A
Speaker 1: fire truck to actually fill up with city water from
Speaker 1: his own house, which means that the that the city
Speaker 1: water itself may actually for for residential use may still
Speaker 1: have reservoirs available with with water. Of course, moving moving
Speaker 1: forward with the United States, and course Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: making more open threats towards Canada's talking about economic takeovers
Speaker 1: and other really crazy things. The thing to remember with
Speaker 1: that is Donald Trump does still have to report to
Speaker 1: Congress and the Senate about everything that he tries to
Speaker 1: do as president. He does not have opened in free reign,
Speaker 1: even though he would like to think he does, but
Speaker 1: Congress does have the ability to stop him, and a
Speaker 1: takeover of Canada would entail a lot of moving parts
Speaker 1: and steps to get each province ratified, and I doubt
Speaker 1: very much that my personal opinion, I doubt very much
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump could get it done within the four
Speaker 1: years that he will be in office. So moving into
Speaker 1: UH Canadian politics, the leadership race is on. The Liberal
Speaker 1: Party is trying to find a new leader and thus
Speaker 1: that leader will t will take over for UH Justin
Speaker 1: Trudeau UH as Prime Minister until UH a new election
Speaker 1: can can be held, where they, of course the Conservatives
Speaker 1: and the Liberals everybody will get to vote on who
Speaker 1: that is. There's a lot of speculation and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of name dropping of who could do best one
Speaker 1: of the You're gonna hear uh a lot about the
Speaker 1: uh uh LeBlanc and how he could actually be a
Speaker 1: wise choice for the leadership role for the Liberal Party.
Speaker 1: In one particular UH interview, the reporter for this CBC
Speaker 1: asked several times about but shouldn't he be taking taking
Speaker 1: a role as the finance minister, said that he can
Speaker 1: combat the tariffs that Donald Trump is putting a place
Speaker 1: against Canada.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: To which.
Speaker 1: The answer was, why can't he do both? And that's
Speaker 1: a good question. Why can't the person who's going to
Speaker 1: sit in the leadership role also directly work with the
Speaker 1: United States on the problem of tariffs and trade as
Speaker 1: well as along with the Minister of Finance. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a interesting selection for the Liberal Party as
Speaker 1: as there they will have their caucus meeting to see
Speaker 1: who they want to represent their party moving forward after
Speaker 1: Justin Trudeau steps down. So, and we're gonna hear from
Speaker 1: Doug Ford as he makes some comments about the premier's
Speaker 1: convention and what was discussed and potential solutions, again leading
Speaker 1: back to trade and how the premiers and provinces will
Speaker 1: work together to solve particular problems. One of the things
Speaker 1: is UH Danielle Daniel Smith of Alberta wanting to increase
Speaker 1: oil production to increase revenue for Canada and not just
Speaker 1: for Alberta, and how that is actually gonna look and
Speaker 1: how they will manage that to meet environmental standards. So,
Speaker 1: but what we're gonna listen to first now is from
Speaker 1: the United Nations UN Security Council floor, as Palestine representative
Speaker 1: from Palestine, AH is making a statement to the Security
Speaker 1: Council about the genus ongoing genocide in Palestine and Gaza
Speaker 1: and how how the Security Council is is actually UH
Speaker 1: handling that, and at some point he is actually going
Speaker 1: to get really choked up about what he's talking about
Speaker 1: because he is watching his UH, his his people suffer
Speaker 1: at the hands of what would seem to be at
Speaker 1: this point a bully government in Israel. So why don't
Speaker 1: we start there, and then when we move forward into doug
Speaker 1: Ford and the comments on the UH liberal leadership brace.
Speaker 3: To President at the start of this year.
Speaker 4: I also wish to convey our sincere congratulations to the
Speaker 4: elected members of the Security Council now taking forth their responsibilities. Denmark,
Speaker 4: Greece Pakistan, Panama and Somalia.
Speaker 3: As proven in the past year, the elected.
Speaker 4: Members have a very important role to play in ensuring
Speaker 4: the councils uphold its charter duties and we assure.
Speaker 3: Them of our full cooperation.
Speaker 4: We also thank the briefers the You and High Commissioner
Speaker 4: for Human Rights Volgar Turk, Doctor rich Papercorn of the WHO,
Speaker 4: and doctor Tania Hedj Hassen for their important briefings and
Speaker 4: compelling testimonies to the Council. I listened today doctor Hodge Hassen,
Speaker 4: as I listened to you at the end of November
Speaker 4: when you address the United Nations during the International Day.
Speaker 3: Of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.
Speaker 4: You are a great humanitarian and you are very faithfully
Speaker 4: were able to convey.
Speaker 3: Some of the messages of the Palestinian.
Speaker 4: People from the Gaza Strip, from the heart of a
Speaker 4: superhumanitarian to the minds and hearts of those who are
Speaker 4: responsible for the maintenance of international.
Speaker 3: Peace and security.
Speaker 4: On behalf of the Palestinian people, I thank you, and
Speaker 4: on behalf of the people, our people, especially in the
Speaker 4: Gaza Strip, I thank you very much, mister President. The
Speaker 4: image the image of doctor Hussam about Sofia wearing his
Speaker 4: white gown medical overcoat, symbol of hope and humanity, summoned
Speaker 4: and walking towards Israeli tanks embodying death and destruction, will remain.
Speaker 3: Forever a reflection of what is at stake in Gaza
Speaker 3: humanity itself.
Speaker 4: It will show people standing up against all odds in
Speaker 4: the face of terrible suffering, trauma and death, and it
Speaker 4: will show how lonely they were in that moment. Palestinian
Speaker 4: doctors and medical personnel are fighting to save human lives
Speaker 4: and losing their own. They are fighting a battle they
Speaker 4: cannot win, and yet they are unwilling to surrender and
Speaker 4: to betray the oath they took. They are trying to
Speaker 4: save lives while hospitals are under attack, while medical personnel
Speaker 4: are together with their patients and people seeking shelter besieged
Speaker 4: and killed, while buildings and works even for mothers and
Speaker 4: newborn babies, are being did while access to medicine is
Speaker 4: being denied, while electricity is cut, while starvation is imposed,
Speaker 4: and while they know that the people they are trying
Speaker 4: to heal will most probably die and that they the doctors,
Speaker 4: will be held responsible by Israel for the ultimate crime
Speaker 4: of trying to preserve life in Gaza and will be detained,
Speaker 4: tortured and even killed, and yet they continue trying. Doctor
Speaker 4: Mahmoud Abu nu Jela, who was killed in an Israeli
Speaker 4: air strike on a Lauda hospital, wrote a message many
Speaker 4: months ago on a white board in the hospital normally
Speaker 4: used for planning surgeries, and I caught him. Who whoever
Speaker 4: stays until the end, will tell the story.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 5: What we could.
Speaker 4: Remember us, remember us.
Speaker 3: We owe them more than remembrance.
Speaker 4: Nothing can explain that for fifteen months Palestinians in Gaza.
Speaker 3: Having doured hell and been abandoned to this faith.
Speaker 4: Nothing justifies that the doctors who were trying to save
Speaker 4: lives of victims have become themselves the victims, and that
Speaker 4: the international community he was not able to match even
Speaker 4: part of their courage and of their dedication to humanity.
Speaker 4: Doctor Adnan Alborch wrote, and they quote, we will die standing.
Speaker 3: And we will not kneel.
Speaker 4: All that remains in the valley are its stones, and
Speaker 4: we are its stones.
Speaker 3: End of Gottes.
Speaker 4: Doctor Adnan Alborsh was the head of orthiopaedics at Raza's
Speaker 4: Alchhi Hospital. He became a familiar face across the globe,
Speaker 4: as his videos showed him operating on the injured and
Speaker 4: the dying with little or no equipment or digging mass
Speaker 4: graves with his colleagues in the yard of the hospital,
Speaker 4: and finally facing the Israeli assault in a hospital where
Speaker 4: thousands had sought safety, the Israeli army ordered a shiffer,
Speaker 4: its patients, staff, and approximately fifty thousand displaced people sheltering
Speaker 4: in the compound to evacuate before setting the hospital on fire.
Speaker 4: Instead of fleeing, doctor al Bursh made his way to
Speaker 4: the Indonesian hospital in northern Gaza, where he worked until
Speaker 4: that two came under fire in November, but refusing to
Speaker 4: renect on his oath, he moved to allow the hospital,
Speaker 4: where he was eventually arrested by the Israeli occupation forces.
Speaker 3: Four months later.
Speaker 4: Over prison guards dragged Alborsch and dubbed him in the
Speaker 4: prison yard, naked from the waist down, bleeding an unable
Speaker 4: to stand. According to a deposition collected by Israeli human
Speaker 4: rights organizations, he died shortly thereafter. The death of doctor Alborsh,
Speaker 4: while in Israeli custody is not a solitary case. Other
Speaker 4: doctors and many other detainees died while in custody after
Speaker 4: having suffered from abuse, torture and rape. Mister Press, then
Speaker 4: this is not a war, and doctor Tonia has indicated
Speaker 4: this is an assault against Palestinian existence. Its target is
Speaker 4: therefore life itself in Razi and all those who are
Speaker 4: trying to sustain it, all those trying to ensure survival
Speaker 4: in the midst of this genocide. And according to this
Speaker 4: criminal intent, it is therefore logical that medical personnel doctors, nurses,
Speaker 4: paramedics are among.
Speaker 3: Its primary districtives.
Speaker 4: This is immoral, I repeat, this is immoral, unbearable.
Speaker 3: And must be stopped.
Speaker 4: The entirety of international humanitarian law rests on a fundamental
Speaker 4: rule ording protection to those not taking part or no
Speaker 4: longer taking part in hostilities first, and for most civilians,
Speaker 4: the sick and the wounded, and those detained.
Speaker 3: Instead of upholding the cardinal.
Speaker 4: Principle of distinction, Israel systematically resorts to indiscriminate attacks when
Speaker 4: it does not deliberately target those afforded.
Speaker 3: Protection under international law.
Speaker 4: Time after time, the same acts, the same patterns, the
Speaker 4: same criminal and inhumane conduct assaults against hospitals, leading to
Speaker 4: the death and detention of civilians, including babies and children
Speaker 4: who are already experiencing hell on earth. No one should
Speaker 4: grow accustomed to these horrors. Israel wants to normalized genocide.
Speaker 4: The report of o rc HR clearly indicates that and
Speaker 4: the quote the attacks on hospitals often followed a similar
Speaker 4: pattern involving missile strikes on hospital buildings, the destruction of
Speaker 4: hospital facilities, shooting of civilians sieges, as well as temporarily
Speaker 4: taking over hospital buildings end of quotation. And this is
Speaker 4: without addressing again and a quote the many cases of
Speaker 4: arbitrary detention, enforced disappearance and ill treatment of medical personnel
Speaker 4: and other palestinians, including internally displaced persons idp id peace
Speaker 4: taken into custody from inside hospitals, which has been reported
Speaker 4: on elsewhere fend of quotation. This is a barbaric and
Speaker 4: it should lead not only to repeated expression of outrage,
Speaker 4: but rather to resolute action for accountability to prevent the
Speaker 4: occurrence of such horrors as worn by you and experts
Speaker 4: and they quote under occupation. Intentional assaults on healthcare facilities
Speaker 4: have the potential to expose individuals to cruel, inhumane and
Speaker 4: degrading treatment, and many constitute a war crime in Gaza.
Speaker 3: This is clearly part of a well.
Speaker 4: Established pattern of genocide for which Israel leaders will have.
Speaker 3: To be held accountable. End of quotation.
Speaker 4: There is no justification for the commission of war crimes.
Speaker 4: There is no justification for the commission of crimes against humanity.
Speaker 4: There is no justification for the commission of the crime
Speaker 4: of genocide.
Speaker 3: No justification whatsoever.
Speaker 4: The ICJ Provisional Managers Orders aimed at preserving the right
Speaker 4: of the Palestinian people to be protected from acts of
Speaker 4: genocide have not only been disregarded by Israel, they have
Speaker 4: been blatantly breached, materializing the risk instead of addressing it,
Speaker 4: Mister President, Israeli action can only be understood in the
Speaker 4: context of the real goals of this war. Remember we
Speaker 4: talked about the report of the Generals, which we don't
Speaker 4: talk about it anymore. Israeli officials and military commanders have
Speaker 4: often confessed to them. For anyone willing to hear, some
Speaker 4: they don't want to hear. They like to hear what
Speaker 4: they like to hear.
Speaker 3: Israel.
Speaker 4: Israeli occupation soldiers described the actions and instructions of their division.
Speaker 4: Chief Division commander of Division two fifty two, Brigadier generally Yahudabah,
Speaker 4: stated to Aretz that his aim was to flatten as
Speaker 4: much of Gaza as possible, to forcibly displace some two
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty thousand Palestinians who were still present in
Speaker 4: northern Gaza, to take over the land. He's building a
Speaker 4: private militia from settlers, from relatives, from fanatic soldiers, to
Speaker 4: destroy every day fifty sixty buildings in the Gaza strip,
Speaker 4: not to allow Gaza being a place for a single
Speaker 4: Palestinian to live in it. He was clear that they
Speaker 4: needed to and they quote, according to Haretz, make things
Speaker 4: hard on convoys that entered and harassed them. Not only
Speaker 4: there are thieves who steal the trucks, the Israeli soldiers
Speaker 4: are watching and facilitating this behavior, insisting, and they continue
Speaker 4: the quotation, there are no innocence in Gaza. For those
Speaker 4: of you who think that this is a war against
Speaker 4: Hamas and not against the Palestinian people. A general braggadier
Speaker 4: general currently in the Israeli Army, head of Division two
Speaker 4: fifty two, there are no innocents in Gaza.
Speaker 3: Free game.
Speaker 4: Every individual in the Gaza Strip, the Palestinian people. But
Speaker 4: his greatest insanity in the wars of one officer of
Speaker 4: the occupation army and a quote was the one about
Speaker 4: moving the Gazans southward and taking land, as much land
Speaker 4: as possible and the potie.
Speaker 3: There is a war against the Palestinian people.
Speaker 4: It is a war of genocide to eliminate as many
Speaker 4: as possible and to allow the situation in Gaza to
Speaker 4: be not inhabitable by any individual. They don't want Palestinians
Speaker 4: in the Gaza Strip and later on in other parts
Speaker 4: of the occupied character. Cuation orders and destruction of civilians
Speaker 4: infrastructures including hospitals, and killings and maiming of civilians, including
Speaker 4: doctors have to be understood. In this context, either the
Speaker 4: Palestinians are displaced or they are destroyed. There is no
Speaker 4: other option, ethnic cleansing or genocide, and for the time
Speaker 4: being it has meant both, Mister President. The images are
Speaker 4: out there for all to see of repeated assaults against
Speaker 4: our hospitals as part of the assault on Palestinian life
Speaker 4: and Palestinian existence. You can see such assaults also in
Speaker 4: the West Bank by the Israeli occupation forces.
Speaker 3: They keep claiming the use of human shields.
Speaker 4: They say Hamas used the people in Gazda as human shields,
Speaker 4: saying how outrageous it is for combatants to use human
Speaker 4: shields or to pretend to be civilians when their occupation
Speaker 4: forces have done both repeatedly, with occupation forces sometimes disguised
Speaker 4: as civilians, as patients even pretending to be pregnant women
Speaker 4: seeking care with her relatives, have conducted military raids against
Speaker 4: and within hospitals.
Speaker 3: That is their behavior.
Speaker 4: For those who try to lecture to you that others
Speaker 4: are using civilians and human shields, these evidence, these stories
Speaker 4: were documented and some were caught in the action.
Speaker 3: We salute all medical practitioners.
Speaker 4: From around the world who have volunteers to help our
Speaker 4: people in Gaza, as well as all those who have
Speaker 4: expressed solidarity and provided support to their colleagues in Palestine.
Speaker 3: Your moral voices give hope.
Speaker 4: To the Palestinian people and all those who cherish and
Speaker 4: seek to preserve humanity. Everyone needs to choose if they
Speaker 4: stand by hope and humanity as embodied by the white
Speaker 4: coat worn by doctors around the world, or if they
Speaker 4: stand with destruction and death. And those who say they
Speaker 4: have made the right choice. Need to act accordingly, mister President,
Speaker 4: Doctor Hussam Abu Safir stated a few weeks before this
Speaker 4: ultimate assault on the camal of one hospital and they could.
Speaker 4: I refused to leave the hospital and sacrifice my patience,
Speaker 4: So the army punished me by killing my son. I
Speaker 4: saw him die at the entrance gate of the hospital.
Speaker 3: It was a great shock.
Speaker 4: I found a grave for him near one of the
Speaker 4: hospital's walls so that he could stay.
Speaker 3: Close to me. End of quetessue. Doctor Abusafir.
Speaker 4: Was himself injured and now he has been abducted, detained.
Speaker 3: His faith anknon.
Speaker 4: He refused to leave the victims behind. Can't we display
Speaker 4: some degree of that same courage. The plight of doctor
Speaker 4: Hassam Abu Safir, who must be immediately released, is but
Speaker 4: one story from Gaza among an infinite number of stories
Speaker 4: of an unimaginable loss and trauma and ache and suffering
Speaker 4: and courage and resilience.
Speaker 3: A story of a people.
Speaker 4: Who, while receiving solidarity of people's and countries around the world,
Speaker 4: feel abandoned to a terrible faith enduring another ending hell.
Speaker 4: It is our collective responsibility to bring this hell to
Speaker 4: an end. It is our collective responsibility to bring this
Speaker 4: genocide to an end.
Speaker 3: We have a new tea to save lives. This counts.
Speaker 3: You have an obligation to save lives.
Speaker 4: Palestinian doctors and medical personnel took that mission to heart
Speaker 4: at the parallel of their lives. They did not abandon
Speaker 4: the victims. Do not abandon them and Israeli impunity and
Speaker 4: the genocide and this aggression immediately and unconditionally now, And
Speaker 4: I thank you, mister President, for you When.
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Speaker 14: He understands what Canadians are facing, and he's real. He
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Speaker 14: And so I think he has exactly what it takes.
Speaker 14: And I think he's going to stand up for Canada
Speaker 14: in dealing with the US or anybody else. And that's
Speaker 14: why I think he's our best bet. But it's something
Speaker 14: he needs to decide do you think.
Speaker 8: That MPs liberal MP's in your caucus think the same thing?
Speaker 8: Also want him to reconsider.
Speaker 14: I don't want to seek for others. It's not fair,
Speaker 14: but I think Dominic has shown for a number of years.
Speaker 14: I'm probably very biased because I've been in PS for
Speaker 14: a number of those years, but he has what it takes.
Speaker 14: He cares deeply about this country and he will connect
Speaker 14: with people from coast to coast to coast.
Speaker 8: Do you not think any of the other contenders for that.
Speaker 14: It's not about that. It's so I believe in confidences parties.
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Speaker 12: What I said going into the meeting is that we
Speaker 12: have an opposition leader who won't take his briefing, and
Speaker 12: it's important for those inside the party to listen to
Speaker 12: those inside our caucus room who have taken their security briefings.
Speaker 8: And I think those concerns are being listened to. It
Speaker 8: was a good caucus, as always is a good discussion.
Speaker 7: Did you guys, Are you guys giving a recommendation to
Speaker 7: the party in terms of what you should want the
Speaker 7: leadership race.
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Speaker 11: I don't discuss the caucus celebration, but it was a
Speaker 11: very thoughtful conversation around the process we should be looking at.
Speaker 11: Of course, it's up to the party executive to just
Speaker 11: make this determination based on the constitution.
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Speaker 5: to talk about what's talking about?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: What do you favor in a leadership race?
Speaker 5: What are you looking for?
Speaker 11: Well, you know, from a process perspective, we need to
Speaker 11: make sure is that that it's a credible process, a
Speaker 11: process that.
Speaker 8: Is fair and transparent. We want Canadians to have full confidence.
Speaker 11: In the process that we follow in electing the next
Speaker 11: leader in the prime minister of the country.
Speaker 8: So that's a very important element, which I have full confidence.
Speaker 11: In the party and the board that the rules they
Speaker 11: will set up will allow for that that level of
Speaker 11: credibility to the entire process.
Speaker 10: What does a credible process mean though?
Speaker 11: What does that look like to you specifically, Well, I
Speaker 11: think transparency and fairness is important. Making sure the rules
Speaker 11: are in place that allows for people's participation, that there's
Speaker 11: no doubt around the vote and the mechanism.
Speaker 8: That was used to at the leader.
Speaker 11: These are some really important fundamental principles that we follow
Speaker 11: to elect anyone, including a city councilor or an.
Speaker 8: MPP or an MP.
Speaker 11: But also making sure that it's being done in a
Speaker 11: way that there are no doubts as to that that
Speaker 11: it was a favored one candidate over the other.
Speaker 8: So that element of fairness is always very much Again,
Speaker 8: that's our party. You have to ask the party about those.
Speaker 15: TEPI do you think it should be restricted to citizens
Speaker 15: and permanent residents?
Speaker 11: Again, those something that party has to determine, and they
Speaker 11: have to make those determinations based on bast Basically, I
Speaker 11: think we need to we do have. I have to
Speaker 11: be mindful about the concerns around foreign interference, right, there's
Speaker 11: something we are far more aware of today than than
Speaker 11: ever before.
Speaker 8: So I think we need to make sure that there
Speaker 8: are safeguards in ployees.
Speaker 11: That will ensure that the the veracity of the process
Speaker 11: and the people who engage in voting is not questionable.
Speaker 10: What assurances of any did you receive that there will
Speaker 10: be safeguards in place.
Speaker 11: We had a very thoughtful discussion, and of course the
Speaker 11: party is look at all their options and they were.
Speaker 8: Really thoughtful and listening to what was presented.
Speaker 11: When when your colleagues just came out and said they
Speaker 11: want Donalic LeBlanc to change his mind, do you think
Speaker 11: that there's enough of an effort to get him to
Speaker 11: reconsider running for leadership. There's a lot of effort to
Speaker 11: do that, you know. I've been saying now for the
Speaker 11: last two days that we need to make sure that
Speaker 11: we have a leader.
Speaker 8: Who's experienced, who's fluy, bilingual, who is.
Speaker 11: Able to communicate with Canadians and present a positive vision forward.
Speaker 11: I think Dominic LeBlanc has a lot of talent. He
Speaker 11: understands politics really well. He's demonstrated again and again his
Speaker 11: belief in Canada, and.
Speaker 8: I really hope that he reconsiders his decision.
Speaker 10: But why should he reconsider his decision? What do you
Speaker 10: make of his argument or his explanation that he needs
Speaker 10: to be finance minister right now that's more important than
Speaker 10: running for party leadership.
Speaker 11: Well, I think we need to make sure that we
Speaker 11: have a strong leader of the party and a strong
Speaker 11: prime minister who can lead the country, win the next
Speaker 11: election and continue to defend the interest of Kennadian's conversing
Speaker 11: with him, I mean, look, I've run for leadership.
Speaker 8: It's a big decision. There's a lot of internal reflection
Speaker 8: that goes on.
Speaker 11: Of course, you have to speak to your family, you
Speaker 11: have to speak to your supporters, and then you make
Speaker 11: a decision. And so I think the reflection process that
Speaker 11: he is going through is credible. It is a big job,
Speaker 11: it is a huge undertaking, and so I respect him
Speaker 11: for doing that, and I'm grateful for his friendship that
Speaker 11: he's listening to, myself and many people like who are
Speaker 11: members of the publicity.
Speaker 10: More importantly, Canada has some stability in terms of who,
Speaker 10: you know, the Minister of Finance and in tergi of
Speaker 10: border security at a time when you know there's increasing
Speaker 10: you know, jokes or otherwise comma's being made about Canada
Speaker 10: being the fifty first state of United States. Isn't that
Speaker 10: more important than the Liberal party leadership here?
Speaker 8: Well, first of all, we're not just talking about Liberal
Speaker 8: Party leadership. We're talking about.
Speaker 11: Not only the leader but also the next Prime minister
Speaker 11: and somebody then who will lead the party into the
Speaker 11: next election, so that we continue to defend effectively.
Speaker 8: The interest of Canadians. Number one. Number two, we do
Speaker 8: have a government place, We do have a prime minister
Speaker 8: in place, and there is there is a cabinet, and
Speaker 8: people can do multiple things at the same time. It
Speaker 8: doesn't precluse them from doing one job of the other.
Speaker 8: I think they're smart, smart people.
Speaker 3: But I think.
Speaker 8: I think, I think it will be.
Speaker 11: Would be extremely beneficial to Canada of somebody of caliber's
Speaker 11: coomy club Block considers learning.
Speaker 10: Frontary, suggesting he could do the job he's in now
Speaker 10: in cabinet and then campaign for party leadership.
Speaker 8: Well, those decisions are not mine to whether one would be.
Speaker 10: Do you think cabinet ministers have to step should step
Speaker 10: have to step out of their role if they want
Speaker 10: to campaign for not necessarily?
Speaker 8: Why not not necessarily? What rule tells says that it can.
Speaker 10: I mean, would there be split split responsibilities?
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I think that's the decision.
Speaker 11: I don't want to expect later the decision the prime
Speaker 11: minister may make, and he made prime minister may decide,
Speaker 11: And you're right in the past that that type of
Speaker 11: decisions has been made.
Speaker 10: But how can Canadians, How can Canadians be in a
Speaker 10: posision to trust discovery mission have if you'll have key
Speaker 10: cabinet ministers like mister Levont potentially others to get Paris
Speaker 10: also trying to campaign for leadership, like how can Canadians trust?
Speaker 11: Okay, there are many capable people in in this UH,
Speaker 11: in this caucus who can.
Speaker 8: Play different roles.
Speaker 11: If somebody chooses to run for leadership and they are
Speaker 11: required to step away from their responsibility, I think the
Speaker 11: strongest spokesperson, the strongest advocate for for for Canada we
Speaker 11: have is the Prime Minister himself.
Speaker 5: Meeting with the Premiers of Canada, had a very good
Speaker 5: and constructive conversation. We are going to Ottawa next Wednesday
Speaker 5: to sit down with the Prime Minister and Minister LeBlanc
Speaker 5: and we're just making sure that we have a strong plan.
Speaker 5: I know the premiers have a strong plan, but we
Speaker 5: want to see where the federal government stands right now.
Speaker 5: Keep in mind, the Prime Minister is still the Prime Minister,
Speaker 5: the Minister is still the minister, and until that changes,
Speaker 5: we're going to make sure that we hold their feet
Speaker 5: to the fire and come out as a united country
Speaker 5: on a message to our American friends and allies, and
Speaker 5: let's just make sure that we do everything in our power.
Speaker 5: I mentioned to the premiers to avoid these tariffs. I
Speaker 5: personally feel they're coming. They're coming hard. The President has
Speaker 5: really ramped up his talking points over the last day
Speaker 5: or two, and we're concerned. We're concerned, but we're a
Speaker 5: strong country. We're a very strong country when it comes
Speaker 5: to other critical minerals and energy and manufacturing. So we'll
Speaker 5: see how this moves. But we want ongoing conversations, weekly
Speaker 5: updates from the federal government, be it the Prime Minister
Speaker 5: or Minister LeBlanc, and we just look forward to getting
Speaker 5: there and having a conversation. We're also confirming on February
Speaker 5: the twelfth will be in Washington meeting elected officials in Washington.
Speaker 5: A group of US will be going down there as well.
Speaker 5: I'll take any questions based on that concern. Who do
Speaker 5: you want to be the voice that brings up those
Speaker 5: concerns to your US counterparts when that time comes. Reading that, well, good,
Speaker 5: good question. Every premier has their responsibility, no matter if
Speaker 5: it's the Western governors, mid West governors, East Coast governors.
Speaker 5: Everyone's contacting their counterparts down in the US, and as
Speaker 5: I've been saying over the last little while, I'm not
Speaker 5: hearing the same tone from governors and senators and congress people,
Speaker 5: and my fellow premiers aren't hearing the same tone as well.
Speaker 5: So I think there's a little split down in the US.
Speaker 5: President saying one thing and elected officials are thinking something opposite.
Speaker 12: Were that meeting on Wednesday?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 13: Is that part of that going to be a list
Speaker 13: from the premiers of here's what we think through intelligent TIFs.
Speaker 8: Need to be That be part of that discussion.
Speaker 5: I think that'll be part of the discussion. We want
Speaker 5: to see their list. They put a small list together,
Speaker 5: and I apologize I can't comment on that. That's really
Speaker 5: showing our cards to the US. But we have a
Speaker 5: strong list, and I'm sure the other premiers do as well.
Speaker 5: On the federal government as a list as well. Can
Speaker 5: you give us a sort of idea of what might
Speaker 5: be on that list, guys, I really apologize. I don't
Speaker 5: think it's strategic for Canadians or Ontarians to hand out
Speaker 5: the list, and it gets right down to the US government.
Speaker 5: If you can just bear with us, and let's see
Speaker 5: what happens on January the twentieth, and we'll make sure
Speaker 5: we disclose the list after we see the tariffs out
Speaker 5: there planning to put on Canada.
Speaker 7: Have you seen any education?
Speaker 5: Premier Trump's listening and willing to listen to what you do?
Speaker 5: You know something I can't answer for President elect Trump.
Speaker 5: I know our message is getting to him. I've heard
Speaker 5: it from people that know him. I heard it from
Speaker 5: elected officials. He's hearing our message loud and clear. No
Speaker 5: matter if it's our ads that are running that are
Speaker 5: very very positive. People in the US love those odds.
Speaker 5: It's a positive message about working together building that and
Speaker 5: can fortress. And that's our goal. We're so much stronger.
Speaker 5: We can be the strongest jurisdiction in the world, the
Speaker 5: wealthiest jurisdiction, almost prosperous, the safest jurisdiction. And that's that's
Speaker 5: our goal, is to work hand in hand and build
Speaker 5: a relationship with our US counterparts that we have over
Speaker 5: decades and generations.
Speaker 15: When you go down to when you go down to Washington,
Speaker 15: who is taking the lead here and you know, perhaps
Speaker 15: setting up a meeting with the White House, is it
Speaker 15: Ontario's responsibility to take that lead as in yours who
Speaker 15: is in charge of this group of premiers that's going
Speaker 15: to be going.
Speaker 5: Down Yeah, thanks for that, Colin as a chair. Well,
Speaker 5: we'll be taking the lead. Ontario will and I know
Speaker 5: other premiers are going to be setting up meetings and
Speaker 5: their contacts that they build up their relationships with congress
Speaker 5: people or senators or governors. So we'll go down as
Speaker 5: a group, but we'll be setting up individual meetings and
Speaker 5: the people that we've built relationships with.
Speaker 15: Is the White House on the list of you'd like
Speaker 15: to have, Well, no, it's not. Are you authorized to
Speaker 15: meet with the president?
Speaker 8: If if it comes to.
Speaker 5: That, you know, that'd be up to the president. And
Speaker 5: we're going down there to speak to the American people,
Speaker 5: to speak to the elected officials down there that can
Speaker 5: get into the ear of at that time President President Trump.
Speaker 5: What kind of feedback you're getting the federal government down here?
Speaker 5: The Fortress can not What does that mean? I haven't
Speaker 5: heard from him. I just haven't heard from There's a
Speaker 5: lack of leadership right now in Ottawa. But I want
Speaker 5: to compliment someone. I want to compliment Dominic LeBlanc. I
Speaker 5: have confidence. As long as he's in his position, he's
Speaker 5: going to do a great job leading. All the premiers
Speaker 5: get along very well with Minister LeBlanc and I'm glad
Speaker 5: he's at the table. We do have to follow up
Speaker 5: with the minister that's in charge of the border, and
Speaker 5: that's I believe Minister David McGuinty. I would imagine like
Speaker 5: he should be out there on a daily basis telling
Speaker 5: the US what we're doing to secure the border. It's
Speaker 5: not the province's responsibility. We've had to step up to
Speaker 5: cover that gap.
Speaker 15: Last question for you, or said earlier today that if
Speaker 15: the tariffs are applied in Ontario that you would need
Speaker 15: to spend ten billions of dollars in order to make
Speaker 15: sure you're showing up Ontario's economy.
Speaker 8: So you said you didn't have a mandate for that.
Speaker 15: What does that mean that you are setting the stage
Speaker 15: for a potential early election as early as February.
Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying that Colin I need a mandate
Speaker 5: from the people. Similar to the pandemic. The only difference
Speaker 5: with the pandemic it was worldwide. Secondly, if we had
Speaker 5: a unanimous vote, which is which is shocking Queen's Park
Speaker 5: for anything, but we'll be there to support the businesses
Speaker 5: that may potentially get hurt an election. Well that's that's
Speaker 5: your comments, not mine. But let's see what happens. Let's
Speaker 5: see how long these these tariffs are in place. And
Speaker 5: I did, I did mention to the premiers that Ontario
Speaker 5: is going to get hit the hardest barn over anyone.
Speaker 5: And it's my job as Premiere to protect the industries,
Speaker 5: to protect jobs in Ontario and the people of Ontario.
Speaker 5: And I will spare no expense to make sure that
Speaker 5: we keep our economy going, because our economy pays for everything,
Speaker 5: no matter if it's a healthcare, education, social services, infrastructure,
Speaker 5: and we need to make sure that we protect all
Speaker 5: jobs and the people here.
Speaker 7: But the.
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