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Speaker 1: What is up?

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Speaker 2: Feula Siko's I'm Dan fora Valley coming at you with

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my certified fantabulous host, mister Grant Hughes end. As we

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roll out another twenty twenty five twenty twenty six NBA

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season look ahead, we are joined by Andrew Claudio of

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Nick's Film School to talk about the Charlotte Hornets.

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Speaker 1: No excuse me, sorry, we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the Knicks, which means we get to talk

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to g MAC. I don't know who called you, Gmac,

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but it's GMC around these parts. Follow Andrew on the

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Socials Machine at Andrew Claudio underscore spelled exactly as it sounds,

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and it's on the screen, and it's in the podcast

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and YouTube description. Andrew, welcome back for year like five

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or six of you doing this. Thank you so much

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for coming back on How are you doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's good to be back. I gotta mean

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that for Valley that I texted you when you texted

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me about like it's time for the preview to do

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this show again. That my reaction to seeing your text

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on screen was like, I've been waiting for this text.

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I said to my wife, you know I've been waiting

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for fivality to text me about when we're gonna talk

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about the Knicks. And after years of you wanting the

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Knicks to fire the head coach and you being on

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here to be like Whenther, the Knick's gonna get rid

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of tibbs, We're finally here to talk about the Knicks,

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having fired the coach that you wanted. Gone so happy

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to be here, and obviously I'm also happy that I

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finally get to do one with Grant as well. Well.

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Speaker 2: Grt, I just very clearly are you taking notes about

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how you should be reacting when I text you about podcasting.

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Speaker 1: Time? Every single time you text Dan. I turned to

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my wife and I say like, oh, thank god I

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got to hear from Dan again. It's a blessing exactly. Yeah,

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I mean this is fancy.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I can't wait to get into this,

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especially with the TIBs of it all, because I know Dan,

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over the years you have advocated for some things with

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regards to TIBs that not everybody else has. But also

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because I talked to you so often, I know that

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there have been times where you walked it back. So

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I'm just this, I don't know, we don't need to

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segue anything, right, we should just get into the first question,

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which is really Andrew, like, where do you.

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Speaker 1: Land on the tips firing? And will let Dan say

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his piece? But do you think he did enough to

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get another year out of this or was it just time?

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And if so, why can he answer both questions be yes?

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Like I thought he did enough to get another year.

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I left the Conference finals being like that was a

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pretty horrific coaching performance by Tibbs. I don't think it's

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even the reason they lost the conference finals. Divine intervention

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and blowing a fourteen point lead with two and a

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half minutes in Game one is to me why they

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lost the conference finals. And I give him a ton

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of credit for why they beat Boston, like he had

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Missoula going to hack a mitch on Mitchell Robinson just

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to get their backup center out of the game, like

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I actually thought he Jedi mind tricked him because the

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three point variance was going his way in the Celtics series.

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And I think all of those feelings I'm expressing the

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maddening tendencies and principles that he holds true to, and

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then how they benefit you when you least expect them.

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In situations where the margins are so tight are the

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TIBs conversation Like that is the entire Tibbs experience. And

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I think he's a really good coach. I think the

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further you get into the playoffs, his weaknesses are on

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full display. And it's that his inflexibility doesn't allow him

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to go to option C, Option D, option E. And

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when you're going up against the coach like Carlisle, who's

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going to like Tony Bradley and Thomas Bryant and Ben

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Shephard and guy eleven, twelve and thirteen on his bench

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and he knows he can because he used the regular

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season to see how those guys can contribute, Whereas Tibbs

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was like, I have my seven and that's why I'm

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going to play during the regular season. He doesn't have

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that option. So I landed at the end of the

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season being like, how are you going to fire a

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guy that made it to the conference finals, while also

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saying if they went a different direction, because next year

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is the year, I would understand that I'd welcome it.

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And it's how I ended up reacting to the news

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like I understand that I welcome it, So I know

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Speaker 3: This was more of a day to day thing for

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you guys, but it's you're pulling me back to like

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the postseason and all the conversations we had about how

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like everything that's good about Tibbs is also bad, like

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from the rigidity to like there's like all of the

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speechures are bugs in a certain way because it's like, yeah,

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he doesn't go deep enough into the bench, but you

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guys know who's.

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Speaker 1: Playing, and you know how many minutes it's gonna.

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Speaker 3: Be, and like there's something to be said for the

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just like the hunker down and get after it of

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it all, but also it wears everybody out, like all

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the positives were negatives. I think, like, did you this

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it now. Distill it was like how good is good

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enough for the Knicks because and that's what you're saying,

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like he gets to the conference finals. Maybe that's sort

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of a sub question here is like was there a

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coach on planet Earth that would have gotten this roster

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farther had it been used differently last year?

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Speaker 1: Well, so that not to spoil the rest of the show, Yeah,

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it's literally the test case we're about to see with

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Nip Brown. I think the Knicks will be better during

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the regular season this year. I think they'll be We'll

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learn more things. They'll use the regular season for data

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collection and to see what an actual five out lineup

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looks like, and to see what playing with more pace,

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and to seeing what guy eleven, twelve, and thirteen. Like

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I mentioned the Pacers did last year, like I think

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they'll be more flexible. I think there'll be a more

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creative plane in place other than just hitting the same

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button over and over again, even if the button is

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leading to some winning. I think the well will be

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much more entertaining and will look better on paper. This

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year they lose in the second round, it's technically not

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as good as last year, and it's technically around earlier

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than they were eliminated the year before. And it's why

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the unfairness of the job really was how I processed

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his firing, the fact that you can get a team

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like the Knicks that hasn't been to the conference finals

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in twenty five seasons, to the conference finals, like dethrone

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the Celtics. I know Tatum got hurt, but they were

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down nine, about to go, got to go down three

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to one in Game four when that happened, and again

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I say, they get to the next they get to

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the Pacers series and lose, and I said, if they

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fired Tims, I would understand it. Like it's just the

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nature of the business that if you wonder if a

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team has the next level to go to, you want

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to fire the coach first and see if someone else

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can get them there. And then if that coach can't

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get them there, you don't go full Matt Ashpia and

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just keep hiring coaches until you eventually blow up the roster.

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I think if Mike Brown can't and this pivot into

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leaning more of an offensive mindset, if that doesn't get

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them there, then we'll see some roster shake ups next year.

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if they're deployed differently, if this looks different, if it's

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more sustainable, And I think that's more the motivation behind

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going on to a new coach.

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Speaker 2: When you look at what Mike Brown is trying to

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implement and the buzzwords, the stuff that he has said

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ever since coming where it's played with more pace, we

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have more three pointers, five out lineups using Galen Brunson

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off the ball, using Karl Anthony Towns as a playmaker

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of all of the things he wants to incorporate, this

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would be a two fold question. What do you view

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as sort of the most difficult thing for him to

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implement and what is the one that most intrigues you.

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If they're the same thing, that's of course fine.

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Speaker 1: Well, some of these principles they can flick, Like if

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you're going five out, that means Cat is at the five.

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So your rim protection is going to be garbage. Like

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you said it, I just like I saw it for

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eighty two games last year, and Kat played dropped the majority,

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the majority, the entirety of last season. And then we

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got to the playoffs and they're switching against the Celtics

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and then they're starting Mitchell Robinson in the Conference finals.

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You don't have any possessions. You might know this already, Dan,

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you have any possessions. Jalen Brunson, Mitchell Robinson and Karl

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Anthony Towns had played together before suddenly Cat became the

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starting center in Game three of the Conference Finals. How

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many they had played together in their lives before that?

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Wasn't it like one hundred and eleven or something? Ridiculously low.

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No way less, way less forty not possessions minutes, minutes.

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Speaker 2: Oh minutes, I'll say forty.

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Speaker 1: The answer fourteen. The answer is two. There you go,

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like a couple out of bounds possessions like it's basically

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what they did. They played the double bigs with with

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Brunson like barely at all during the regular season, and

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I think Mitch is about to be the starter, so

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you're about to see a lot more of it during

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the regular season. I think the most difficult thing to

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and it's why I think we could get to the

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end of this year and come to the same conclusion

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that you did when you fired Tibbs. It's that I

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don't know how sustainable a defense you can actually create

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with both Jalen Brunson and Karl Anthony Towns on the

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floor at all times. I do like some of the

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offensive principles that he's trying to creatively instill, whether it

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be like you said, Brunton off ball, taking more threes,

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you know, running the offense through cat like a hub.

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I like, Kat's not Hartenstein, so it's gonna be so

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much more difficult to do that. Add TIBs, run the

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offense through like Randall at the at the nail or

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Hartenstein at the nail extended, and like you saw ways

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that the Knicks actually got creative with the right center.

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I just I think it's some of the complications with

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running an offense through Kat. So all of this to say,

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the defense, and a sustainable playoff defense in particular, is

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the most difficult thing. I'm excited to see why of

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the offensive principles that he's going to install, because I

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think that's why you went and got him is a

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focus now needs three to a back on the offense

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on this team, and especially with the roster that they

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Speaker 2: So I do think we all agree that Robinson is

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the favorite to be the final starter for the season.

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Is that who you would start?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Is that the right answer? Because the word you mentioned

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before is conflict And this runs completely counter to the

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five out model. And I know you don't have to

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play the entire game like that, but if Josh Harden

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is coming off the bench, you presume he's in aw

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of minutes. And it was like eighty eight percent of

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That's not five out I'd like, Josh Hart's a really

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fun player, but that's not five out, and so I

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just don't which again, if you're concerned about the defense,

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then sure that makes some semblance of sense, but you

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might have again the worst of not the worst, but

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this problem where we'll catch the five, but we're also

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not five out, and that's just like, okay, well what

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are we what's happening here?

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Speaker 1: So I've been on record I would start duce to withcbride.

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Speaker 3: Yes, oh you guys, you guys became best friends.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's not even I do have the same

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concerns that Tims did and maybe other people have about

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the two small guards, like I do have concerns towards

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that the numbers are just astronomical when Brunton's next to McBride,

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and the eighty three possessions we saw of Deuce in

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place of Josh Hart, plus the starters like also astronomical.

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I just want to see it until it stops working,

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like the data at a certain point is allowed to

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just be right for a while, even if it's like

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protect against two small guards? And this is honestly one

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of the biggest buggaboos with TIBs is like he did

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and and I guess more specifically abandon like I believe

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in size more than anything, and it's why like RJ.

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was more effective than the other, I would start Douce.

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I don't think they're going to I also think there's

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a lot of pros to Mitchell Robinson being the starter

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you Mitch. I think if you get creative with staggering,

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could just be like an impactful six minutes at a

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time player. I thought that's what you saw in the playoffs.

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He comes in for six minutes, messes stuff up like

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secures your defense becomes the rimp protector, the offensive rebound

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like possession battle machine, and then you go to somebody else.

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each half with Mitch, then you go to your five

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out concepts, then you bring you go to Josh Hart

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and Mitch, and you're leaning even further into the possession

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battle like you have multiple ways to do it. I'm

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less tied to the five out thing, like with Deuce

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being the starting lineup than I am. I needed to

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see it, like I need more than eighty three possessions

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this season? How about like fifteen a game? Like the

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four minutes a half? Why can't I see five out

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in the first and second half, which is to Dan's point,

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is not what happens when either Mitchell Robinson or Josh

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Harder on the floor. So they should be partners in

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the second unit or taking advantage of second units. And

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it's why I'm very curious how much we're going to

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see it this year.

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Speaker 3: It feels like what we're getting to here is is

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now we definitely it's gonna be interesting to see what

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Mike Brown does, like tactically, like how does he increase

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the pace? How does he get the Knicks to not

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be one of the slowest teams in the league to

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just get into the first action like all that kind

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of stuff. But it feels like the real test of

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Mike Brown is gonna be based on what you guys

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are talking about, like how effectively night to night can

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you use these different looks that you're gonna have based

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on the situation, Because like there isn't a perfect one, right,

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Like if you if Cat's the five, then like you said,

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the rim protection's terrible. If he's the four, you guard

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him with a small like it just neutralizes what's great

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about him. Now you don't have any space, You have

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less spacing. But like the point is, these are all

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buttons that Tibbs had available to push and didn't, and

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so just does Mike Brown push more buttons? It feels

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like it just like mess around a little bit. And

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which I think that's really what this is, right, It's

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not so much like can.

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Speaker 1: They play faster?

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Speaker 3: It's just like can you use the what you have

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in more were like creative ways.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll go a step further, like available buttons

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to TIBs last year? Right, I'm I'm I'm almost positive

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Dan knows this, But like, are you guys aware how

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many possessions the starting five that the Knicks had last year?

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How many they played together? It was by far the most. Yeah,

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it was by far the most, by far the most,

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by eight hundred possessions. And it wasn't like a Gangbusters

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starting five. It was plus I'm going to it now.

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So it played eight hundred now, hold on, I had

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my notes better yesterday. It ended up being like when

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you included the playoffs, they ended up being like dead

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even in point differential for the year. Yes, so regular

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season they played four hundred and forty more than anybody else,

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eighteen hundred and forty eight possessions that starting five played

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together finished finished plus four, which the fifty first percentile

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according to Clean the Glass. And like the playoffs, there

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were a negative and if you really you're really sorty,

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you gotta go from January first on at that point,

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and teams had started to do this, but it was

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really the Thunder game on January third that we saw it.

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Teams decided, we're going to put a center on Josh

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Hart and put our biggest wing on Cat and that's

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just how we're going to guard the Knicks for the

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rest of the season. And it neutralized any of the

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Gangbusters offense that we saw from the first two and

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a half months of the season, and Tims never adjusted.

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He was just like, I love Josh Hart. Everything he

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does is great, And to be clear, I love Josh Hart.

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A lot of the things he does is great. I

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think on a team that has Hartenstein or doesn't have

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Karl Anthony Towns, I think I would start Josh Hart

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because I want the possession battle. It's just that we

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saw it for two years, whether it be the Cavs

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series or the Sixers series. You deflate teams by having

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three and four and five possessions every time on one

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side of the court. And it's how you create open

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three point looks is off of offensive rebounds. And if

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you want to play that way, you can. You can't

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play that way if you have Karl Anthony Towns on

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the floor. And Tibbs never adjusted at any point. So

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let's see what we could do if we put a

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fifth shooter that teams are going to guard differently, have

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Cat matched up against the center, which no center could

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really guard him. We saw him one on one against

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rudygo Bart in Minnesota and he went for forty and

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twenty last year. Like I, he didn't utilize Kt the

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way he could be best utilized on offense. And then

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if you have him as your center on defense, it's

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like having him in without Rudy Gobert. So I all

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these buttons you're right were available to him last year,

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and he didn't push them, which is why I was

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going into this season thinking I see to see it,

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like can I see it? And then come playoff time,

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hopefully those same concerns we all have, you know, aren't

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as fully realized as they were in the Pacers series

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last year. The Josh Hart.

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Speaker 2: Stuff is interesting because I think one of the stronger

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cases to not start Duce McBride is that you don't

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necessarily want Josh Hart at Mitchell Robinson playing together all

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that much. The data on that last season was really bad,

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and when you're talking about the Knicks were outscoed, their

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offensive rating was in the toilet or close to it,

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and their defensive rating was in the toilet when those

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two played together. When you're talking about those like Josh

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Hart like a non relative non shooter, he will shoot

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defenses don't care, and then Mitchell Robinson an actual non shooter, like, yeah,

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I guess there'd be benefits on the glass defensively, but

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it speaks to I think how difficult of a fit

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Josh Hart can be for maybe the way that the

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Knicks would want to play or what should be their

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core lineups. And so I'm just curious as to where

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you land on that. And then also just we have

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the injury news coming out of media day, does seem

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like the back is fine coming out of that first

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preseason game, But where do you see like him working

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with a finger splint outside of the shooting, which is

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going to be ify to begin with, do you see

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that impacting like and or are you worried about it

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impacting any area of his game, whether it is the rebounding,

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the rim pressure, or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So let's start here. I actually do believe in the

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Josh Hart Mitch line ups in sec against second units.

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I think some of the lineups that she saw that

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didn't work out the most, Like in the playoffs, they

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were a positive and it was largely second units that

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they were taking advantage of. And it's why, like the

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cleaning the glass data for the postseason ends up being

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not as good as it was before they started playing

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together most of the Pacers series. All that to say,

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I think you lean into Tibbs ball. When Josh Hart

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plays at Mitch Robinson, you go full possession battle. You're

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putting your two best rebounders on the team and just

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I'll say, like better than Kat as a rebounder because

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I think Josh Hart gets to he doesn't get the

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fifty to fifty balls, he gets to eighty twenty balls.

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He's like the best guard rebounder outside of Rust that

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I've ever seen. I think all the things you mentioned,

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the fingersplint, the I mean, the back issue, I'm not

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even that concerned about watching the game yesterday, I think

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he would have went back in the game if I

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think they might have even said that. So he got

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He got ejected because he threw the ball into the crowd.

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He was upset and that he did he did a josh.

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He did a josh again. He's just trying to give

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souvenirs and they're penalizing him. I think he was very

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nervous about the Yankee game later that night and just

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wanted to go take the rest of the game off.

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If you see him on Saturday, he might do it

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again because the Yankees play at four o'clock on Saturday

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and he wants to make sure he has they have

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his undivided attention. I think the finger splint more than anything,

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and and the surgery he had in the off season

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is even more of a reason why he can't be

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your starter, because if he's already unwilling to shoot, if

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he has five working fingers on each hand, how much

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like is it gonna translate on the court. You're still

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like a very h a shooter that hesitates more often

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than you should. And I also wonder if having an

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injury or or a sensitive digital one of his hands

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takes away some of his aggression, the ability to go

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get those rebounds? Does that go? Are you avoiding contact

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because of that that injury? So look, I need to

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I've talked so negatively about him. I think the world

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of Josh Hart like he was a playoff hero and

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it's still a playoff hero. We did this this countdown

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over at Nicks Film School of the top twenty five

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Nicks of the past twenty five season, and the man

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finished in the top nine, and I had him as

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high as sixth. Like, I think Josh Hart is outstanding.

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I don't think he underperformed last year. I think he

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was overexposed. I think he's a twenty five to a

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twenty to twenty five minute player that Tibbs was playing

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forty minutes. And the more you play him, the more

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his weaknesses are on full display. So I think if

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he goes back to that twenty to twenty five minute

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change of pace guy, I think you're looking at a

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very productive player, and I think that's what he'll be

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this season.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll get back to some of the bigger names.

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We haven't really talked Brunson much, for example. We'll get there,

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just because this is kind of a more immediate, I

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don't know piece of the puzzle. So right now, there's

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a bit of a roster crunch. There's a couple some

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fairly decent sized names that you know are in camp,

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and it essentially you can you can put a finer

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point on this if if you want, But like the

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Knicks may need to dump somebody that's younger in order

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to onboard a couple of these veteran minimums to fit

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them on the roster. Talking about guys like Malcolm Brogden,

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Landry Shammitt. I can't remember who the third potential candidate is,

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but it's a situation where they can't keep all these

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guys unless or can't keep two of them, even unless

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maybe Tyler Kohleik goes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's Pacom Doatier.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about like Deuce McBride, kind of getting

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thrown into this like who's gonna go conversation like that

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feels more tied to contract status and ain't like there's

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just no way that he's not gonna be on this team.

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If you had to choose how this all shakes out

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from a you know, end of the roster perspective, how

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would you go about it? Who do you think makes

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the most sense to keep from from the group. That's

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sort of you know, hiffy right now.

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Speaker 1: So I want to be clear it's like a top

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nine for me and then everything else while respecting like

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what NBA players are and that this is a business

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and that these guys have jobs and livelihoods that I

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hope are not affected too much by me saying this.

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Everybody else is indispensable, Like I have a top seven

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really that made it to the conference finals last year.

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I like Malcolm Brogdon. I like Jordan Clarkson in theory.

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I like Clarry Shamitt in theory. I like the kids

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have Poorty and Tyler Kolek have had moments, and Pacom

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Dottie is an unknown at the moment, I assume pocom

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Dottia is going to be the one that gets moved

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so you could keep the veterans onto minimums that can

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help contribute to your team. This year, I've heard that

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they've been trying to move Tyler Kollach but just makes

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too much and is already at the point in his

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basketball car he's going to be twenty four years old.

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It might already be twenty four years old, which in

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NBA years, it is just not much of a unknown,

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like we kind of know what you are at this

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point in your basketball life. The Douce stuff was interesting

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because I don't I agree with you, Grant. I don't

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think it's You're not a serious organization if you're trying

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to win a championship and you trade Duce McBride. In

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my opinion, I think he just contributes to winning and

477
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,839
has shown to contribute to winning and the majority of

478
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,599
his NBA career, even when he couldn't shoot in the beginning,

479
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,880
he was going into the rotation and being a lockdown

480
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,839
defender as a fallaway jumpers saw it. So I look,

481
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:41,599
I I think it'll end up being pocom daddier. I

482
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:46,559
think it's a it's a game of musical chairs for

483
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,400
the eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, spot. And it's why again

484
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,680
that those two words data collection being what this season

485
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,480
is all about for me, Like I want to see

486
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,640
you what Tyler Kullak looks at in spots. I want

487
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,240
to see what like Ariel have Porty when Mitch doesn't

488
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:02,960
play because he's not going to play back to backs

489
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,839
this year, Like what he looks at looks like as

490
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,680
like a backup center. Like there are a lot of

491
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,279
looks this team could give this season that will allow

492
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,680
us to learn come playoff time. Can I go to

493
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,240
this in an important spot? Can I? Is this a

494
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,039
sustainable thing? That this seems to be working for a game.

495
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,119
Let's see if it works for the next game. I

496
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,440
as far as the roster is concerned, I think Comb's

497
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,720
going to be the one that eventually gets dealt.

498
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Clarkson obviously was the veteran name which inexplicably I

499
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,400
couldn't remember, because he's the one that seems most interesting.

500
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Like if you're talking about liking Josh Hart and Mitchell

501
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,960
Robinson on Second Units, isn't I mean Clarkson probably doesn't

502
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,079
have his fastball anymore. I think he's thirty two or

503
00:25:47,079 --> 00:25:49,359
thirty three and we haven't seen him in a winning

504
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,400
environment in a long time. But like, isn't he the

505
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,000
guy that maybe you throw out there to run a

506
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:55,839
second unit and he's like, well, I'll get you a

507
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,960
couple of shots, Like I don't know how good they'll be,

508
00:25:58,039 --> 00:26:00,960
but if if you're built around heart Mitchell Robinson to

509
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,119
go get those misses like that kind of makes some

510
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,759
sense on paper, Right, is he someone that knicks fans

511
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,400
or you? I don't speak for everybody, but like feels

512
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,160
like he might be a piece that's maybe should be

513
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:14,079
like viewed a little notch above Brogden or Shammitt.

514
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:18,559
Speaker 1: Well, so I actually forgot the guy that I'm actually

515
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:22,200
the most excited about for the eighth man, and that's Yabu. Sure,

516
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:25,799
and we'll talk about him in a second. But I

517
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,039
looked at the Jordan Clarkson signing the way I looked

518
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:31,400
at the campaign signing last year, like this is a minimum.

519
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,160
If we get anything of value out of him, then

520
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,559
it's a positive. And the Knicks have just they've needed

521
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:40,519
bucket getters on the second unit pretty much since they

522
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:44,039
traded him manual quickly. They haven't had that. And a

523
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:45,680
guy that can create his own shot, a guy that

524
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,720
can create for others. Now, very interesting first game, first

525
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,200
preseason game, the joke on Twitter. I don't know if

526
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,160
you guys play two K at all, but the what's

527
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,119
that the NBA NBA two K the video game. The

528
00:27:04,039 --> 00:27:07,240
A button I think is to pass on the Xbox,

529
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,839
And everybody was saying that Jordan Clarkson doesn't have an

530
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,480
A button and the man just would step on the

531
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,240
court regardless of shot clock or situation or even where

532
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:18,039
the defense was. I was like, I'm gonna get my

533
00:27:18,079 --> 00:27:22,000
shots up today, and if some of those tendencies show

534
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:24,240
during the regular season, I don't think he's gonna play

535
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:29,359
very long. I reacted to the move in the moment

536
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,519
that yes, he could run your second unit offense. I

537
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,440
also think there's a world where if we just need

538
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,279
a guy to go out and get some buckets on

539
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,039
an important game in a second unit, I think he's

540
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,640
a perfect spot for that. And unlike the campaign situation,

541
00:27:47,079 --> 00:27:49,599
if it doesn't work out, they can pivot. The Knicks

542
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:53,839
were so bereft for depth and talent and it's Tibbs,

543
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,039
so you're already like, aren't allowed to make a mistake

544
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,519
or two that he was like, all right, you're a veteran.

545
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,079
I'm gonna put you in the rotation campaign. Here's five

546
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,119
first half minutes. I think we'll be more flexible with

547
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,359
with that this year and what the standards are, at

548
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,400
least during the regular season. So what intrigues you most

549
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,759
about Gershon Yabuseli's fit. We talked about a lot about

550
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,480
five out right, and we talked about how Douche, being

551
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,720
as small as he is, may not allow them, or

552
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:25,599
maybe a coach maybe has has a may hesitate.

553
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:29,079
Speaker 2: Is there like something not even to derail us from there?

554
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:30,960
But I know that you're kind of smaller, but it

555
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,599
also allows you to not have assuming he's on the court,

556
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,039
Michale Bridges defend at the point of attack, which seems

557
00:28:36,079 --> 00:28:37,079
like pretty awesome.

558
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: Yes, But I don't think Yabu can defend at the

559
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:44,839
point of attack either. I think Bridges is a lot

560
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
better point of attack. Where were you going with that

561
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:47,640
when you.

562
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: Were talking about deuce, I thought you were saying you

563
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,480
were reluctant to play yeah, because too small. It was

564
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,319
bringing us back to the starting lineup to score, like

565
00:28:54,359 --> 00:28:57,240
playing deuce with the starters with the reluctance of having

566
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,359
two small guards. I'm like, well, you also then don't

567
00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:02,079
have Michael Bridges like being guarding like guarding at the

568
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:03,640
point of attack, which is pretty.

569
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:06,279
Speaker 1: Dope preaching to the choir. He becomes your best point

570
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,640
of attack defender by default, and then this whole wing

571
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:11,839
stop thing that you built actually puts them on the

572
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,799
wing like it's the one hundred percent the well, okay,

573
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,359
fifty percent the other incentive for why I would start

574
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,200
to do so, he becomes a better point of attack

575
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:26,680
defender and uh, you put your wing back in their

576
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,759
proper spot. Anyway, I'm laughing that you saw it. I

577
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,559
was talking about it was kind of confused.

578
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: I don't think Yabu's gonna survive out there on on

579
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:37,200
job morinth.

580
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. What I do think though, is that Yabu next

581
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,240
to Kat could be a great pairing. And then if

582
00:29:43,359 --> 00:29:47,920
if like Yabu's your you're in place of Mitch Starter, right,

583
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,160
then that's a five out lineup, and that's something I

584
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,240
can I can believe in that I can trust. It's

585
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,319
one of the looks you can go to. I think

586
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:01,279
the biggest thing I again trying not to be completely

587
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,960
disrespectful to NBA players who have accomplished way more from

588
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,480
a basketball was there like an NBA player or front

589
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,319
office executing your DM recently no recognizing where I stand

590
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,119
on the totem pole. Also shout out the game theory.

591
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,079
People now listen to what I say more offense, so

592
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,480
I need to make sure I'm not as disrespectful. Shout

593
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:27,319
out to the city of Philadelphia who apparently had some

594
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,960
people in their coaching staff knew who I was when

595
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,599
I shut up the game theory. Regardless, Yabu's not precious Achua,

596
00:30:35,759 --> 00:30:38,240
Like I could see a four that actually can space

597
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:40,920
the floor in Tony twenty five and Tony twenty six.

598
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:43,920
You can just do more things offensively, and on a

599
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,839
team that has Karl Anthony Towns, I think you need

600
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,960
to lean into guys that can do more things offensively

601
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,400
that will make like each other better. Like spacing is

602
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,200
a thing, gravity is a thing, and the way you

603
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:57,799
create more room for people to operate is by putting

604
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:01,039
more space around them. With guys who attract gravity, I

605
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:05,000
think Yaboo will command more respect, absolutely more respect than

606
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,000
what I've been seeing over the past couple of seasons.

607
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,599
So there are a lot of lineups. Whether he's like

608
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,839
as a three, as a five, like you could go

609
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,759
a lot of different ways with Yaboo. Then I'm intrigued

610
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,799
for them to experiment with I really hope we don't

611
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,359
see him at the three. I just want to scrow

612
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:25,559
that out there. Okay, the lineup is Cat, Yaboo, Ananobi,

613
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:28,200
all right?

614
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 2: Well that I would call Yabu the four, and that

615
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,400
that scenario like they're gonna do.

616
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,839
Speaker 1: Think it's interchangeable if you want to, but in that

617
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:39,240
specific lineup, like isn't Yaboo and Annob isn't Anenobe technically taller.

618
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: I think what you're doing is you would just take

619
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:45,400
Yaboo and put him on like the weakest defensive assignment

620
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,559
at the like the three. Like to me, it just

621
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,680
wouldn't be a I wouldn't do it as Yaboo at

622
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,759
the at the three.

623
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:52,799
Speaker 1: I guess you could argue he might operate on offense

624
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,519
more like a three than Ananobi, but give him what

625
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:56,279
we saw from og by the end of last season,

626
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,680
I don't even think you could say that anymore. So

627
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,279
I'll go a step further. It's like Yaboo instead of

628
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,680
Josh Hart in those Mitch Cat lineups, Like then at

629
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,039
least there's a floor spacer out there, and then if

630
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,079
you want, you have your your five and your four

631
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,759
covered and then he's still covering it three, but at

632
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,160
least you have some rim protection. I'm not even saying

633
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,119
it's my favorite lineup. It's just one of the lineups

634
00:32:19,119 --> 00:32:21,799
that he could go to because he's not a liability.

635
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:25,480
From a shooting standpoint.

636
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta pivot from ya. This is a

637
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:31,000
little more yabus, a lot of yabu. Sorry this would happened. Sorry,

638
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,039
but no, we haven't really touched on the brunts and

639
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,839
of it all. And maybe partly that's because, like he's

640
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,400
just gonna be an MVP candidate and there's not a

641
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,000
whole lot to really get into. But to me, it

642
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:47,079
seems like a huge portion of the optimism or maybe

643
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:50,880
like the expectation of, if not better different under Mike

644
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,119
Brown hinges on Brunson playing differently or being used differently,

645
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,559
and so I think there's kind of two core issues

646
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:00,799
there that I'd like to get at your take on.

647
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:06,759
The first is do you think Brunson can you know,

648
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160
be used effectively off the ball in all these different

649
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,160
ways so that I always joke with Dan like my

650
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,839
enduring image of Nick's offense after a point last year

651
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,200
was Brunson pounding the dribble and looking for space for

652
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:21,519
fifteen seconds, finding none, giving the ball up and sprinting

653
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:22,960
to go get it back so he could do it

654
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,680
for another you know, ten nine seconds? Can he be

655
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:29,559
used differently than that? And then does he want to

656
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,039
like he doesn't seem like this type of player, but

657
00:33:33,079 --> 00:33:35,519
does he want to be used differently than that? Like

658
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:37,759
if sort of like once the player's on the ball,

659
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:39,960
just a ridiculous usage rate.

660
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's hard to like throttle that back. So can he?

661
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,480
Will he? And then assuming all that.

662
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: Is like okay with everybody, do the Knicks have the

663
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:55,599
surrounding personnel to make the Brunson off ball different looks effective?

664
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,400
Which is to say, are there enough other playmakers to

665
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,400
like make use of him as a decoy as a

666
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,279
catch and shoot guy as a guy coming off screen?

667
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,000
So multi prong question, but just sort of makes sense

668
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,199
of the brunts inside of this under Mike Brown.

669
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:17,199
Speaker 1: So I'll say this, the heliocentric Brunson offense was effective

670
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,880
two years ago when Randall went down, when Julius Randall

671
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,880
dislocated his shoulder. It's what turned him into a top

672
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:30,280
five MVP candidate. You know, I thought last year, going

673
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880
into the year, we didn't know healthy Randall was gonna be.

674
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,480
We didn't know what the team like. They traded for

675
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:39,000
Michael Bridges at the beginning of the summer and you thought, okay,

676
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,840
that's their move. Right right before training camp, they traded

677
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,400
for Kat and they never really had a chance to

678
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,960
develop any chemistry or synergy. And you saw some of

679
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,320
it over the first half of the year. But this

680
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000
is what I'm talking about. By around January, when team

681
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,400
started to guard Kat differently, the pivot was like, all

682
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,280
r let's go back to what worked last year, and

683
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,400
catches became a floor space there, which is not how

684
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,480
you use cat but is also how Brunson gets to

685
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,599
be Clutch Player of the Year. The can he play

686
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,880
that way is a very big yess for me because

687
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,480
Julius Randall made All NBA two seasons ago, and go

688
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:20,199
look at Jalen Brunson's catch and shoot three point numbers,

689
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,320
like that's a lot of the success that Randall and

690
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:28,960
Brunson had together was that that Randall attracts a double

691
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,679
team finds Brunson on the wing or in the corner

692
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,639
and he's just getting more and more catch and shoot threes,

693
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:40,079
and that like element had disappeared with last year when

694
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,280
they were just learning all how to play together. The

695
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,239
does he want to of it all? I think is

696
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,360
a crunch time question for me, because I think it.

697
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:54,480
I think he can. For the first like segmented first

698
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:59,000
forty three minutes of a game, crunch time is Brunson time,

699
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,920
and it has been for the past three years. It's

700
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,039
also been very successful, you know, like you don't become

701
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:07,199
the clutch player of the year for no reason. But

702
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,039
I do agree like the one of not to make

703
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,559
this an anti Josh Hart segment again. One of the

704
00:36:12,599 --> 00:36:15,960
most frustrating stats that I remember from last season is

705
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,719
the crunch time field goal attempts. Number one was brunts

706
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,559
in by a large margin. Number two was Josh Hart

707
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,199
had more field goal attempts than Karl Anthony Towns in

708
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,480
crunch time. It's because the other three can go Are

709
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:30,159
we allowed to curse on here? Oh yeah, okay? The

710
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,280
other three can go fuck off and go like space

711
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,239
the floor and then we're gonna have the Villanova pick

712
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,559
and roll and have Josh come bring the center into

713
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:40,039
the action and then either they double brunts in and

714
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,960
then hearts available in the short role, which works, or

715
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,800
like they just switch it and then it's brunting against

716
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,199
the center. And it led to some decent offense offense,

717
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,159
but like on nights it didn't work. It's like, you know,

718
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,079
we should probably try to get involved in the action,

719
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,599
Karl Anthony Towns. This all NBA player is just standing

720
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:02,239
on the way watching all of this play out. Oh yeah,

721
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,599
the guy you traded five picks for in Michal Bridges.

722
00:37:05,679 --> 00:37:07,400
Oh yeah, the guy he gave two hundred and twelve

723
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,840
million dollars to uh og Anobi. So that is one

724
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,480
of the biggest challenges for Mike Brown is to create

725
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,840
twenty different looks for Brunson to go through and as

726
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,480
the point guard, then recognizing, Okay, this isn't working. It's

727
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:26,079
not just me trying to create my own shot. Even

728
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,760
though I want to make clear he's been very successful

729
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,880
at just making something out of nothing the last three years.

730
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,320
It just should be the last resort play. I liken

731
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,320
it to like Aaron Rodgers in his prime was the

732
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,320
best in my opinion at the play breaks down and

733
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,320
it's the most successful play that we had. That shouldn't

734
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,440
be your offense, but it's a nice card to pull

735
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:49,400
if things go wrong. Got it.

736
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: You mentioned Karl Anthony Tow's not being involved in enough

737
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,440
of the crunch time actions, specifically Mike Brown. Sounds like

738
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,199
he's going to make that a point of emphasis throughout

739
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,199
the entire course of the game. We've heard a lot

740
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,079
about he will be using the handoff situations. Maybe we'll

741
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:05,199
see some inverted picking rolls. That would be pretty fun.

742
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,360
I'd kill to see more of those. What does that

743
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,119
look like though, like kind of unlocking Karl Anthony Towns

744
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:12,440
as a playmaker, And do you think that he has

745
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,480
because look, Karl Anthon Towns gets downhill. I think we'll

746
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,639
see more of that, him turning a corner in Mike

747
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:20,400
Brown's offense coming like out of those handoffs. Maybe more

748
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,079
free throw attempts, maybe more attempts at the rim is

749
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:25,960
passing like when he's kind of live like live dribble

750
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,320
getting downhill like it's not existent for the most part,

751
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,480
one of the lowest pass out.

752
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,119
Speaker 1: Rates on drives last year. Where do you just land on?

753
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: What does unlocking Karl Anthony Towns as a playmaker ideally look.

754
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,079
Speaker 1: Like this season. Can I tell you my favorite play

755
00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:41,719
from this meaningless preseason game in Aoi's Abbi yesterday, please,

756
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,559
Kat at the top of the key, at top of

757
00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:48,519
the three point line drives to the rim. Guy on

758
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,880
his hip so he's not like he has a path. Center,

759
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,679
rotates over Bridges, kicks out to the three point line

760
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:59,360
in the corner. Kat from last year takes that to

761
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
the rim because he's he's a monster and it could

762
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,679
probably get contact, probably get the shot in and probably

763
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:09,840
get the bucket. He passed out to the corner yesterday

764
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,360
and actually hit Bridges in for three and it went in.

765
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,239
Apparently Bridges changed the shot again and that these are

766
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,039
gonna be more smoother and shout to Fred Katz who

767
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,559
noticed this. It's like, does Bridges shot look better this year?

768
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,800
It's like, I'm not doing any more content on. Doesn't

769
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,760
Macal Bridges shot look like anything? It went in? That's

770
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000
what it looks like. It went in. Uh more of

771
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:33,440
those Dan. I don't think you could run like the

772
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,639
Hartenstein offense. I don't think you'd run the Randall offense

773
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:38,800
through through Cat. I just don't think he's that good

774
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,360
a passer in the sense of like has the same

775
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,119
court vision that the other two do. I think all

776
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,960
of his abilities as a passer, like from the three

777
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,679
point line, are because he's tall and like can see

778
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,599
the floor better than anybody, So like the obvious back

779
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,239
door cut that you that you put in front of him,

780
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,480
he'll see. But the guy is the guy's a scorer,

781
00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:05,119
the guy is a rebounder. The guy is an unstoppable

782
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:12,400
force on offense that I recognize might leave some people

783
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,199
more frustrated when he isn't and he's just he's a

784
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,840
little more timid. But the things he's really good at

785
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,400
I don't think involved passing as much. So it's little

786
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,360
things like like you said, driving kicks, recognizing when when

787
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,199
there's more movement on the court, which I also think

788
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,559
Mike Brown will institute just more movement in general and

789
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:37,400
more cuts. So yeah, I'm less, I'm less like excited

790
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,079
or intrigued by a cat hub on offense and more

791
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:46,599
so just more opportunities in like short examples for him

792
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,840
to create for others. More. What do you think about

793
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,559
the Bridges extension. I thought it was a good number.

794
00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:57,880
There was a weird stretch last year where I wondered

795
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,559
if they were gonna have to trade the guy they

796
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:02,000
just traded five picks for. And part of it was

797
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:05,400
coming from Bridges Camp that he's just not happy here,

798
00:41:05,519 --> 00:41:10,280
and some of that was TIBs related for sure. Look

799
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:13,480
always thought that when you traded for him, he's eventually

800
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,920
going to be extended too. And I don't buy too

801
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,480
much into the like took up hay Cut because he

802
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,400
took six million dollars less. But when in this world

803
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,480
of first and second aprons, those six million dollars in

804
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,320
space might actually come in andy if you're looking for

805
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,679
a minimum payer or a mid A taxpayer mid level here,

806
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,840
like it actually can't help at the end of the day.

807
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,000
It's just not it's not the brunts and sacrifice that

808
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:41,440
some made it out to be.

809
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: Well, Dan and I have real group think a lot

810
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,840
of the time, but we both thought we were like

811
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,039
missing something because there was.

812
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,559
Speaker 1: Some backlash to the extension, and I just.

813
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 3: Anchored to like, well, if he h's free agency, he's

814
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,559
getting way more than that, or you're gonna have to

815
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,159
pay way more than that to beat the market to

816
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,199
keep him, and I kind of stopped the analysis there.

817
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, Daniel, what were you gonna say.

818
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 2: Well, he was just talking about the thin margins they're working,

819
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,760
like how that helped, and it's their roster right now,

820
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,440
is proof with what they're trying to do to sure

821
00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:11,239
in a second veteran minimum. So I don't I'm not

822
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,239
like dislocating my shoulder trying to pat him on the

823
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,199
back for taking six million dollars less.

824
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:18,199
Speaker 1: But in a way, he took way.

825
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,199
Speaker 2: More than six million dollars less because had he hit

826
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,800
the open market, like I know, some teams, there's like

827
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,079
ten teams that could have cap space next year, some

828
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:26,639
of that will.

829
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:27,039
Speaker 1: Win go down.

830
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: Say what you will about Michale Bridges, this salary makes

831
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,400
him like the fifty first highest paid player in the

832
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,360
NBA is of right now.

833
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,039
Speaker 1: When the extension kicks in, that's he's.

834
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,519
Speaker 2: Probably like the fortieth to fifty best player in the

835
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,159
NBA as of right now. So that's right where I

836
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,000
just I found the And really it was wasn't just

837
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,920
one person, but like John Hollinger of the Athletic Quote,

838
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,760
whom I very much like, he just was so against it.

839
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320
I was just like I was not that I was

840
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,360
shocked he signed it, but when they traded for him,

841
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,119
I was like, well, they better hope he signed the extension.

842
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,480
Otherwise you gave up control of five first round surrendered

843
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,360
to control of all these first round picks, and then

844
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,760
you're gonna go pay two hundred plus million dollars for

845
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,480
this guy. So I thought the extension was actually a

846
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,599
huge win for the Knicks. Yeah, I mean this was

847
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:13,519
the outcome you hoped for when you traded for him,

848
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,679
right like this this is a best case. I mean,

849
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:18,039
you'd like you would like to for him to have

850
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,199
not faced questions about a shot and all this other

851
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:22,960
stuff this past season, But like, I don't know, I

852
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,920
feel like that one got overthought. Andrew On the court though,

853
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,880
whether it's Mike Brown related or just Bridges, you know,

854
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:35,000
kind of altering how he plays sort of individually, Where

855
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,480
do you see the room for him to improve the most?

856
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,280
Just and you can completely not discuss shooting for him

857
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:43,880
if you want to.

858
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,199
Speaker 1: So I see on the dock, my answer is in

859
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,480
parentheses that I'm not allowed to say about say three oh,

860
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:54,559
just like I think on defense, he is what he

861
00:43:54,639 --> 00:43:57,239
is at this point, like top three defensive player of

862
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,119
the year MCGA. Bridges isn't coming back. I also as

863
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,840
much as he's taken a step back on ball, like

864
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,719
at the point of attack. When Brunson sprained his ankle

865
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,599
last year and missed a month. We saw Deuce in

866
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:14,239
the starting five, and when Deuce then got hurt, we

867
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,440
saw Delon Wright in the starting five and you actually

868
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,639
saw how you can use It's why I'll do it

869
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,039
this time. Dan, to bring back why the Duce McBride

870
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:27,840
starting five is so appealing, as I saw what happens

871
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,639
when you put Deuce at the point of attack and

872
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:32,360
you put bridges on the wing. What about Yapu at

873
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:34,639
the point of attack? Well, even better, if yap is

874
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,639
this point of attack, it still puts bridges on the wing.

875
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,960
I think if bridges can be like five percent better

876
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,280
at point of attack, and it's it's better as a

877
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,400
pick and roll defender because it's not Cat in an

878
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,639
endless drop into oblivion and it's Mitter Robinson in pick

879
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,920
and roll coverage instead, and he actually has a center

880
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:00,960
that he can count on to protect the Maybe he's

881
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,719
more aggressive on defense. As far as offense is concerned.

882
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:07,679
The whole point of hiring Mike Brown is that the

883
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,639
hope is that more people get to eat and maybe

884
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,199
more being more engaged on offense getting more on ball reps.

885
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:19,360
The other thing that happened during when Brunton was out

886
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,480
for a month, as we saw Anonobi and Bridges gonna

887
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,280
have the offense run through them during stretches. One of

888
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,360
my favorite out the tips. I don't even know if

889
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,519
this is like a specific tips thing, but it seemed

890
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:33,320
like they were calling a lot of plays for Bridges

891
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,079
in the playoffs in second units. I go look at

892
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,360
the beginning of the fourth quarter of the Boston game

893
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,880
two or Bridges scores fourteen un answer points by himself,

894
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,559
and it's just like, get to get us back into

895
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,280
this game. I'm just gonna run everything through you, and

896
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:50,880
everybody else is just going to be setting screens in

897
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,639
the second unit. So like there are options for him

898
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,719
on ball more on offense, while recognizing he's gonna need

899
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,559
to shoot thirty six thirty seven percent from three for

900
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:04,639
this offense to really reach its full potential. So hopefully

901
00:46:04,639 --> 00:46:07,920
he gets back up to that and doesn't give us

902
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,960
slake three months of wondering if he changed his shooting

903
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,360
form and as a result, he's now our J. Barrett,

904
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,360
no disrespect to RJ. Please don't send your people at

905
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,440
me in Canada.

906
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:23,599
Speaker 2: You mentioned Oji Anonobe and specifically the stretch that he

907
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,559
had while Brunson was out last year.

908
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:27,199
Speaker 1: How much do you read into that?

909
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,119
Speaker 2: I mean, like the foul rate went up, the drives

910
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,760
went up, and then how do you just view his

911
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,639
fit in the larger context of not just what Mike

912
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:36,679
Brown is trying to implement. But you mentioned it before,

913
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,000
This team is weird because I don't think they have

914
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:42,719
an elite like Second Creator, but they have a bunch

915
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,719
of dudes that are gonna want to have plays on

916
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,840
the ball for them, and so you say everybody needs

917
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,159
to eat, Like, how do you see Ananobe fitting in?

918
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,119
Is he like someone who could maybe when you're trying

919
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,679
to juice the touches for bridges and towns? Is that

920
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,440
someone who in the past, like this goes back to

921
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,159
his time in Toronto, he has been the person that's

922
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,119
fallen by the wayside. Is there a way to make

923
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,440
sure that doesn't happen to him here? Especially again, given

924
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,039
what he showed during that time that Brunson was out.

925
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,519
Speaker 1: I think if you ask Anonobe that question, it's different

926
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:16,599
from reality of what he should be given. I think

927
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:20,440
the fact that look that stretched, without brunsaying as much

928
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,480
as I liked what I saw from Bridge, I liked

929
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:26,159
what I saw from Ananobe some of its opponent dependent.

930
00:47:26,639 --> 00:47:29,239
They played some bad teams in there, and both of

931
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000
them cooked during that stretch. And then if I remember

932
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,000
correctly to the schedule, I'm trying not to be like

933
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,559
specific about small sample sizes, but they took care of

934
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,320
the Miami Heat, who were at that point in full

935
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,239
tank mode. They took care of another bad team, and

936
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,119
then they played the Clippers, and it's like, that's Kawhi

937
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,440
Leonard now guarding you. That's like if it's a zoobots

938
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:54,679
waiting for you at the room, that's Chris Dunn. You know,

939
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,679
like they have all these different ways to stop you.

940
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:04,079
And I think OG going downhill can be effective in

941
00:48:04,199 --> 00:48:08,519
certain moments when it's also like mixed in with like

942
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:11,840
a pick and pop for Kat and like a brunch

943
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,800
in drive that attracts the defense. And it's why having

944
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,000
the offense move more I think will create opportunities for

945
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:24,719
these guys to cook and to eat more. I maintained

946
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,199
that the best version of OG Andnobi is a guy

947
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,239
taking eleven to twelve shots a game and half of

948
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,400
them are threes. So I'm hoping that he's okay with

949
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,519
that because I think it's a very valuable thing to have,

950
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:42,239
and you know, I'm hoping a more creative offense, Like

951
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,039
I think this is maybe more of a subconscious thing,

952
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,559
but just touching the ball on a possession can also

953
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:51,519
go a long way, which I know it might not

954
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:56,280
seem like a lot to the casual basketball fan, but

955
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,079
just having a chance to be like, all right, I

956
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:01,719
got involved in the this. This wasn't just me standing

957
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,920
around and, like I said, fucking off in the corner

958
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,280
while these two Villanova teammates play pick and roll with

959
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,719
each other.

960
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, We've talked to fair amount about Josh Hart,

961
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:13,599
so I'm gonna I feel like we have a good

962
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,920
sense there I want to talk about. I mean, partly

963
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,840
because he said it and partly because it would be

964
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,920
difficult for the reverse to be true. There should be

965
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,280
more minutes distributed to bench players this season under Mike Brown.

966
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,119
Maybe this is a little Devil's advocate kind of question,

967
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,480
but like a lot of the guys that are expected

968
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,800
to stop up those minutes have some questions or some uncertainties,

969
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,599
Like you know, Malcolm Brogden, great name. There's probably a

970
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,519
reason that he's in camp on maybe a minimum. You know,

971
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,719
Clark's and Yabusele's track record is very short as an

972
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,920
NBA player. Do you have any concerns that like maybe

973
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,440
this idea of like, well, we're just gonna play more

974
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,599
guys is not like a cure all, just because some

975
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:02,880
very few of these players are givens as like net

976
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,840
positive contributors when they're out there.

977
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: I go back and forth. I want to be clear,

978
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:13,920
I want more guys to play in the regular season,

979
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:18,480
like the core seven come playoff time. Being healthy is

980
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:21,199
what matters to me. And I've actually like I've gotten

981
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,280
into it with some people at Nicks Film School that like,

982
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,159
this is my case for Mitch being a bench player,

983
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,079
if you wanted to go that route, that there's one

984
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,039
series that I need Mitchell Robinson healthy for and it's

985
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:35,400
that Cavs series if they make it to our conference finals,

986
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,159
and if that means putting him in bubble rap and like, sorry,

987
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:40,760
you don't get to be a defensive player that you're

988
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,599
candidate or the All defense candidate because you played fifty

989
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:49,039
five games, but you're healthy against the team that still

990
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,320
has nightmares of you getting offensive rebound after offensive rebound

991
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:56,760
against them two years ago. Then that's fine, and I

992
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:00,000
think just to might should have turned this into a dream.

993
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:03,599
Anytime I say data collection, it's what the regular season

994
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:05,519
has to be about for me. Now, as far as

995
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,800
the day to day rotation is more specifically what you're asking.

996
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,760
The Knicks had a bottom six net rating in the

997
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,320
fourth quarter last year. I'm not going to completely apply

998
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,760
that to or attribute that to TIBs and minutes, and

999
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,599
I would largely was fine with playing your best players

1000
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,679
a lot. I like watching the best players play. I

1001
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,559
didn't think they had guys last year. To go eight

1002
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:35,360
and nine and ten deep with this year is different.

1003
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,440
I think Yabu can play in a lineup, in a

1004
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,960
lot of lineups. I think you know the guys you

1005
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,920
mentioned the veterans on this team at the very end,

1006
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,199
and maybe a Tyler Kohlik or an Ariel Hipporty can

1007
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,639
play in certain lineups. And more specifically, I think you

1008
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:52,880
should find out this season what you have in all

1009
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,599
of those guys. So a long way of saying, like

1010
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,719
last year, I thought guys did look very exhausted come

1011
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,599
fourth quarters, and the data kind of backs that up

1012
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:08,239
this year. Let's see what like mckel bridge is playing

1013
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,960
thirty seven minutes or thirty six minutes, or Ennobi playing

1014
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,079
thirty two minutes or thirty three minutes on average, Like

1015
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,039
if certain games he has to you got to extend

1016
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:21,199
your guys, Fine, but I think you did to. The

1017
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,119
front office did a really good job given the limited

1018
00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:28,159
assets that they have to them in actually giving Mike

1019
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,119
Brown some options, and he seems very willing in the

1020
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:33,960
regular season to explore them. Yeah, I think.

1021
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,079
Speaker 3: And the reason that's kind of a Devil's advocate question

1022
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:39,440
is because whether those guys need to play fewer minutes

1023
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:41,480
or not. We know McBride should be playing more than

1024
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,480
twenty four or twenty five, and so get him to

1025
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,199
thirty and you can knock down, you know, one or

1026
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,119
two from a couple other guys and like you kind

1027
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,760
of have solved they're not solved it, but you know

1028
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,920
what I mean, Like that's right, that's the working big

1029
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,639
to small.

1030
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,199
Speaker 1: Approach to that depth issue.

1031
00:52:55,519 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 2: Right, Which youngster, whether it's like a Bahama Diara up

1032
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,920
Dottie A, is it still Tyler Kolek if you want

1033
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,039
to talk about one of the two way, guys, do

1034
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,280
you like yourself some dingk Pate, But like, who's like

1035
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,760
the youngster associated with this team that intrigues you the

1036
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:11,480
most long term?

1037
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: Right now? I know I'm talking to the president of

1038
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,840
the Frank nil Keina High Fan Club UH support group

1039
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,000
at this point, But I gotta be honest. Because of

1040
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,360
how good the team is, I'm a net neutral on

1041
00:53:26,519 --> 00:53:28,679
all of them. Like, if you want me to pick one,

1042
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,039
Ariel Hookporty seemed to be the one that showed the

1043
00:53:31,079 --> 00:53:34,599
most promise, the most NBA ready out of all of them.

1044
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,599
I have some very big concerns about Tyler Kolik as

1045
00:53:37,639 --> 00:53:40,920
a shooter. I have some even bigger concerns about Tyler

1046
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,800
Koleik as a defender. As a pastor, I think he

1047
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:47,280
might be he might be the best passer on the team.

1048
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,639
To be honest, already, I just don't know. I just

1049
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:55,599
don't know how you necessarily build an offense around a

1050
00:53:55,599 --> 00:53:58,920
guy that teams don't respect as a shooter. So he

1051
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,320
could potentially get get better, but as I mentioned, how

1052
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,719
old he is at this point in his career, it'd

1053
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,400
be difficult. And the Diouara and dink Pate and any

1054
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,960
of these other names that showed up at Summer League

1055
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:15,159
and I had to learn who they were. Diuara seems

1056
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,800
very athletic, and I am intrigued by his athleticism and

1057
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,719
how it could translate into the NBA. This guy that

1058
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,719
in his non NBA career shot twenty seven percent from

1059
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,519
the field, I believe, And is that good? It's not good.

1060
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:41,079
I'm I'm intrigued by the the NBA roster, not necessarily

1061
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:45,079
the potential NBA roster, is my unfortunate answer to that question.

1062
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:47,280
But this is this is the cool part about being

1063
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,599
a Knicks fan now, is that we're past the point

1064
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,079
of ifs and hopes were actually at the point of

1065
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,360
some certainty, which is is always a good thing.

1066
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 3: From someone that didn't scrutinize the Nick as much as

1067
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:03,440
either of you guys. Can you give me the thumbnail

1068
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,280
sketch of Dottier and like, why what was hoped for?

1069
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,840
And what did not happen that chick?

1070
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:13,079
Speaker 2: Haven't you've seen his practice analytics? Grant, I'm just come on, like,

1071
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,199
I'll only remember as this time a year ago is

1072
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:17,320
like well, of the of the rookie class, like this

1073
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,119
is probably the one you're gonna want to keep an eye.

1074
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,519
IM not saying you guys said that, but that was

1075
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:21,480
the impression I got.

1076
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: I think it's you look at his build.

1077
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,679
Speaker 2: He's six what is he six' eight six,' seven and

1078
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,239
he's a wing and he's someone who in theory could handle.

1079
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,519
The ball the hope was that his jumper would have

1080
00:55:31,519 --> 00:55:34,239
been more bankable than, it was but then it has

1081
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,119
been IN. THE nba i think even in the first,

1082
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,920
preseason game you saw that this is someone who's not

1083
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,480
completely unaware on the, Defensive END like i think that's

1084
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,400
probably where he stood out to me again that first

1085
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,239
game for the, most PART and i think also why

1086
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,440
you could make the case that he's the. Most important

1087
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,840
and this comes BACK to i know we're talking about

1088
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,960
the end of roster, spots Here but Oji had andobi

1089
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,079
last year was just basically an anomaly with, his availability

1090
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,480
and if something happens, to him something Happens. To bridges

1091
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,119
this team doesn't have a ton. Of Wings It's, josh

1092
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:07,039
Hart it's og And It's. Michel bridges like what are

1093
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:08,920
you doing if one of those guys needs to? Miss

1094
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,960
time like who are you? Turning to Is It?

1095
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:12,519
Speaker 1: Landry shammitt the.

1096
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: Three six drave you you can down, AND look i

1097
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,280
totally get that you can downsize. And stuff but the

1098
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,800
Theory OF dottie a to me is so intriguing because,

1099
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,480
it's okay like if you need an, emergency wing you

1100
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,559
do not. Have it and like we already Know That

1101
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:29,639
josh hart is dealing with the finger splint injury and

1102
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:31,239
with the amount of time that he spends on the

1103
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,880
floor or they're like making those hustle plays like that's

1104
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,519
someone who could feasibly. Miss time so it's very into.

1105
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,639
The weeds we're getting past the top maybe eight of,

1106
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:43,199
the rotation eight nine of. The rotation but for as

1107
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,800
talented as they are at the top on, the wings

1108
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,760
they're like. That's it, after that it just.

1109
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 3: It just seemed from a distance that it flipped Quickly.

1110
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:53,800
On dattier from, my, perspective.

1111
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,079
Speaker 2: Well they also what do we know about him because

1112
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,400
they didn't and THIS is i didn't weigh in on the,

1113
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,159
Tib stuff like this IS what i went back and,

1114
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:05,159
forth on is that he should have Let's use andrews some, data, collection,

1115
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,880
Like yeah dottie should have been you should have. Done

1116
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,000
more actually think the starting lineup hurt.

1117
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: Them, here wow nice grant. Hold done oh why they

1118
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,159
pay me?

1119
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:17,039
Speaker 2: So much because the starting lineup was, so rickety Especially post,

1120
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,039
january first you didn't find yourself in a lot of

1121
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:22,719
low leverage situations to where you, could, say yeah it's empty.

1122
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,840
The bench but you also Know that tims wasn't gonna do.

1123
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,639
It anyway everyone points to when they're right that Game

1124
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:30,119
in charlotte with myself for just pay like forty seven

1125
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:33,480
minutes or. Some shit so but we, don't know and

1126
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:36,199
so there's that intrigue. There STILL but i don't mean

1127
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:36,760
to inflate.

1128
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,039
Speaker 1: His IMPORTANCE and i CAN tell i Think that gmac

1129
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,840
disagrees with me here a. Little bit but like the, wing.

1130
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: Rotation it can Get very there's a point where it

1131
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,719
could become very fragile because it seems Like the knicks

1132
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:51,480
are placing a lot of stock In one we're gonna

1133
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,719
play two bigs at once a, lot maybe, which okay fine.

1134
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,760
To me that's why do You Have Karl anthony towns

1135
00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,599
as Much Then Karl anthony Towns. AND yaboo i get

1136
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:03,360
it five, out there but it's also they don't have

1137
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,920
reserve wings on. THIS team I Guess josh hart as a,

1138
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,760
reserve technically but beyond those three it gets a. Little

1139
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,719
fragile and so that's why someone who Stands at DOTTIER

1140
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:12,559
size i, See.

1141
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: Him, i'm, like, okay yeah like that's going to. Intrigue

1142
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:22,679
me so the ONLY intrigue i have Grant for dottier

1143
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,199
is that enough people have told me that they're tracking

1144
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:32,239
his shots, in practice and as, a result it's a

1145
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,599
lot Of flashbacks toduce McBride how they were tracking his shots,

1146
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,679
in practice and they're they're, going in and when they're

1147
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,440
going in, more consistently you're going to see it translate TO.

1148
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:46,719
The nba i'm intrigued by that, happening again Potentially that

1149
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,760
dottier is just suddenly going to show up and be

1150
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,440
a forty percent three, point shooter Because the knicks have

1151
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,360
a track record of it happening Once the deuce's shot

1152
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,400
had a hitch in it Worse Than, michael bridges and

1153
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,519
then suddenly he showed up and was like a knockdown

1154
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,280
Shooter that DAN and i were wanting to get it.

1155
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:06,960
One Day gonna opine should Play, over yabuseli Even though

1156
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,480
yabaseli might be better at the point, of attack this

1157
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:12,679
is a. Great bit we're gonna use. This, all yeah

1158
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,559
there's gonna be people. Who don't they're like they've Never

1159
00:59:15,639 --> 00:59:21,760
watched yabelli play. A minute You mentioned ananobi In the

1160
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,639
anomaly Of last. YEAR'S health, I do i do agree.

1161
00:59:24,639 --> 00:59:29,480
With that you do have a very easy pivot if you.

1162
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:31,880
Want to now It means josh hart becomes a starter

1163
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:35,719
or also could also mean uh uh deuced for pride being.

1164
00:59:35,719 --> 00:59:39,760
A Starter josh harten has played at least seventy five

1165
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,840
games the last. Three seasons mcalbridges hasn't missed the game since.

1166
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,400
High SCHOOL so i think built into the Calculation with

1167
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:50,800
dottie is that nothing's gonna happen. To them AND and.

1168
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: I know i'm an alarmist, by trade, BUT yeah i,

1169
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,400
see that and it's well like those guys, are, Dude

1170
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,840
dude that's HOW think i see more of a trend

1171
01:00:02,159 --> 01:00:04,400
that they have a track record of not.

1172
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,239
Speaker 1: Missing, Games Now JOSH hart i think is due for

1173
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,440
like as intense and fast paced and reckless he can

1174
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,400
be at TIMES like i could see something. Happening There

1175
01:00:15,639 --> 01:00:18,639
mcal bridges goes out of his way literally to go

1176
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,480
out of, people's way like your voids goes Back like

1177
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,920
i've never seen a fade away layup Until mcal bridges

1178
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:27,159
came into. My life oh you Never Watched DeAndre ayton,

1179
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:30,559
Play this maybe it's. Even funnier but the fact that

1180
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,320
does everything for, the layup, the drive the get to,

1181
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,079
the rim, the elevation and then suddenly a, TILT back

1182
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,760
i did not know that was a thing that could happen.

1183
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,679
UNTIL then I Think piccomb dadier may be something in

1184
01:00:45,719 --> 01:00:48,880
the future because of what some people behind the scenes.

1185
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,639
Have said i'm at the POINT where i need people

1186
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,360
that can contribute to the twenty, twenty five Twenty. Six

1187
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:59,519
knicks and, while yes the first preseason game looked like

1188
01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:03,280
he knew where he could be, on defense looked a

1189
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,960
bit of a mess on. Offense unfortunately, and yeah those

1190
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,280
were some wide open threes that he missed over five

1191
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,880
from three and a couple of live. Ball, TURNOVERS like

1192
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,639
i just, He's twenty like he's not supposed to be

1193
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:18,679
that ready, to play especially when you play as little

1194
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:21,880
as he did. Last Year to, dan's Point and i'd

1195
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,519
actually pushed back on there was no point of. Low

1196
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,320
leverage brunt had missed. A month that whole month should

1197
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,800
have been about, data Collection Put tyler kolick in. The

1198
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,320
rotation i'm not saying.

1199
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:36,519
Speaker 2: That there shouldn't have been, data collection but it's so

1200
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:37,320
there's there's never.

1201
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: Such things if the runout, of, excuses yeah right up

1202
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,840
forty in the conference final and the game six Against

1203
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,599
the celtics when they Clinched and missoula's pulled all his

1204
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:51,079
starters in the mid, third Quarter and tibbs, IS like

1205
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,719
i need to get. The lead just make sure it

1206
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:56,519
gets up. To, FIFTY like i agree. With you like

1207
01:01:56,719 --> 01:01:58,920
all of his betting a, live spread we. Don't, know

1208
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,559
look if, that's True then TIBs should go over to

1209
01:02:03,639 --> 01:02:05,639
my friends OVER at i actually don't know if you have,

1210
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:09,000
a SPORTSBOOK so i don't want to compete any mentioned

1211
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:12,360
any conflicting, Sponsors. Regardless TIBs if if you have, any

1212
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,719
tips then. Let's, TALK okay i might know.

1213
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: Some, people andrew are you ready to enter The cookie

1214
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:19,559
Cutter slash lightning?

1215
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: Round port let's, Do it grant you want to start us? Off,

1216
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,400
here yeah what's the biggest need on this roster? Right now? A,

1217
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:29,800
Championship no. I'm kidding the biggest deal on the roster

1218
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:37,920
right now is a defined backup. Point guard and, That's,

1219
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,719
interesting like, even so what's out signing all these? Cards

1220
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,159
right a defined BACKUP point i don't know who it. Is,

1221
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,079
YET oh i. Don't know if, you're.

1222
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: Saying like you want someone who's not on, the roster

1223
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:49,760
they need to go out and GET.

1224
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,519
Speaker 1: They i gotta, Be honest i'm so out on the

1225
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:55,559
transactional like. They did they've done so much already as

1226
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:58,960
far as getting OPTIONS that i think there's enough Here

1227
01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,480
until february for me to say whatever they need is

1228
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:03,599
probably already on. The roster they just got to find

1229
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:05,840
It Is malcolm brobben the backup? Point Guard Is? Jordan

1230
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,440
clarkson the backup? Point guard do you Go to deuce

1231
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,559
as a backup point guard and just be a little

1232
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:13,800
bigger Next? To shammitt do you See If tyler kohlech

1233
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,960
can be your backup point guard in at this point in?

1234
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,519
His career so like a guy to run the second

1235
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,079
unit is really More what, I'm saying AND that's i

1236
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,159
think their biggest need because they just haven't had it

1237
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,320
since they traded. A, manual quickly what's.

1238
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:32,239
Speaker 2: Something About the knicks strength? Weakness storyline whatever player development

1239
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,679
that's flying under the radar that you think deserves.

1240
01:03:34,679 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: MORE attention a healthy Season Of mitchell robinson if you

1241
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:44,280
want to talk about the, biggest if like Knocking, on

1242
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:49,639
wood a healthy Season Of mitchell robinson could put him

1243
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:55,400
in conversations next offseason that he becomes too expensive For. The,

1244
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,119
knicks now that might just be, by default like a

1245
01:03:59,199 --> 01:04:01,519
thing that's gonna, happen anyway because where they are against The.

1246
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:03,920
Second APRON but i think a Lot of, knicks fans

1247
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,840
because of his, descending salary have Looked at mitch as a,

1248
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,320
positive asset like when he, comes back he'll, be fine

1249
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:13,159
and he's so injury prone that like will always be

1250
01:04:13,199 --> 01:04:16,280
able To. Keep mitch BUT like, i mentioned we spent

1251
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,159
this summer doing the top Twenty five knicks of the

1252
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:22,519
past twenty. Five seasons it's crazy to think he's the

1253
01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:25,960
Longest tenured nick of the past twenty. Five seasons the

1254
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,119
moment he starts playing, this season like he becomes the

1255
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:34,440
Longest tenured Nick After. Carmelo anthony that's mellow. Plate seven

1256
01:04:34,519 --> 01:04:36,480
he will be entering into his, eighth season Is what

1257
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,239
i'm trying. To say regardless that this Could Be mitchell

1258
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,760
robinson's last year In a, KNICKS uniform i think is

1259
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:46,320
an under the radar thing and who knows how it

1260
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,119
could potentially end as romantic as that could. Potentially be

1261
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,400
if If the knicks gets as far as a lot

1262
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,000
of people think they could, GET to i will SAY what.

1263
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: I think could bode well for them is that there

1264
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,079
will be other bigs on the market. Next summer and

1265
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:00,840
so if they this is just an issue they don't

1266
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,280
want to pay him mid, level money, then, like fine

1267
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,719
that's a different that's a. Financial CONUNDRUM but i would

1268
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,000
be pretty surprised if there's like any team That's Making

1269
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,239
mitchell robinson even like their plan be, or.

1270
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 1: See yeah maybe the health is going to matter to

1271
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,239
me as far As if i'm another team Looking At,

1272
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:19,000
MITCHELL robinson i see what he is to See how

1273
01:05:19,039 --> 01:05:21,519
i'm backtful? He IS am i getting more than thirty

1274
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:22,159
games out?

1275
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 3: Of, him yeah more relevant this year than the. Last

1276
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,440
five let's discuss the ten man rotation because there might

1277
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:34,440
actually be one which is, really like There's seven yabaseli

1278
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,920
probably makes eight kind of. Non negotiable so this is

1279
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,000
really a Question about we've talked. About starters you can

1280
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:42,400
reiterate there who you think? Should start and then who's

1281
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,360
nine and ten of the?

1282
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,679
Speaker 1: Guys left so this is mine OR am i operating

1283
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:50,360
off OF what i Think the knicks? Will do however

1284
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,119
you want to? Answer it what would her? Two be

1285
01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:58,639
what would you? Mind eight Of Course garrison. Matthews, FORGOT

1286
01:05:59,239 --> 01:06:03,039
yeah I Love, matt ryan but like, the quarterback not the.

1287
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,199
Speaker 3: Basketball player you need someone to fall down when he

1288
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,800
runs into screens, A, lot garrison this is a superstar.

1289
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,639
Speaker 1: At that i'm going to answer it in Reality and

1290
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,159
i'll go with What the knicks. Will DO but i

1291
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:18,000
Think the knicks. Will do and so that's Brunts, In

1292
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:24,039
Bridges annobie Kat and mitch as, starting Five, With deuce Josh,

1293
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:29,960
Hart Yabuselli, jordan clarkson And Then malcolm brogden as the

1294
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,679
last the, last Starter With landry shammitt being the next

1295
01:06:33,679 --> 01:06:37,440
guy off. The bench with the, CAVEAT that I Think,

1296
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:41,760
ariel porty if And when mitch, misses time will be the.

1297
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,639
Backup center that sounds.

1298
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:47,079
Speaker 2: ABOUT right I like shamy way more than, everybody Else

1299
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:48,079
so i'd probably throw him.

1300
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:52,119
Speaker 1: In THERE but i Understand The clarksondent brockton appeal of.

1301
01:06:52,199 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 2: It, all yeah this is this is to a large

1302
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,400
extent matchup DEPENDENT and i think especially With. The knicks

1303
01:06:57,639 --> 01:06:59,559
but what do you think will wind up being their

1304
01:06:59,639 --> 01:07:01,519
most used crunch.

1305
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: Time unit, this year? Last year? Starting five how do

1306
01:07:06,519 --> 01:07:10,400
you Feel about so nothing's going. TO change i think

1307
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,519
there will be more options in. Crunch time, But again

1308
01:07:14,639 --> 01:07:17,480
josh hard for as FRUSTRATED as i can be on

1309
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:20,559
the offensive side of, the ball his ability to secure

1310
01:07:20,599 --> 01:07:23,159
the biggest rebound of, your game let alone your season

1311
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:29,760
sometimes is an. Important thing it was less about ability

1312
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:34,679
and even Performance, with josh it. Was deployment it's the

1313
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:37,800
most anti TIPS thing i could be here is that,

1314
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,880
LAST year i don't think he was a good fit

1315
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,079
from a principal and a style standpoint for the collection

1316
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:47,079
of talent. They Have If mike brown can show, more

1317
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:50,719
variety more creativity and this just looks different and is

1318
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,679
not has a bigger margin for error than hopefully brunts and,

1319
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,599
saves US then i think those five can still, be

1320
01:07:57,639 --> 01:08:00,800
EFFECTIVE and i think potentially they will be. This year,

1321
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,039
and look as MUCH as I want mitch, TO play

1322
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:07,880
i don't want him nowhere near the court when teams

1323
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,880
can go to Hack a mitch in crunch time like

1324
01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:13,519
needed up up Three, with however like three minutes left

1325
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:14,360
and the Hack of mitch can.

1326
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:18,239
Speaker 2: Be deployed some argument for starting him too is that

1327
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,720
teams aren't in, the pen like you're not the Teams

1328
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:21,680
the knicks before they're in the.

1329
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:26,279
Speaker 1: Bonus. Exactly now my hope is, that, like Oh the

1330
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:30,199
deuce McBride lineup, is working and dash har the need.

1331
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:34,199
To close, i've, Decided right i've also decided because the

1332
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:39,159
data has also decided that. It's working, So yeah i'll

1333
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:42,000
say last year, starting five if we accomplished nothing else

1334
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:44,840
is that you guys have firmly convinced Me that duce

1335
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:45,720
needs to start and.

1336
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,039
Speaker 3: Finish Games so i'm this is this has been a journey.

1337
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:52,239
FOR me i just want to, see it. THAT'S all

1338
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:52,800
i just want to.

1339
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: SEE it i want to. That's, Point Yeah i'm. I'm.

1340
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,159
Speaker 3: In yeah so, any, weird quirky unconventional lineups you think they,

1341
01:09:02,199 --> 01:09:04,640
may try or hope they, will try, you.

1342
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:07,359
Speaker 1: Know like we're gonna see enough, of yaboo just ending

1343
01:09:07,399 --> 01:09:13,640
the point. Of it, besides that what what are you hoping?

1344
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,800
TO see i gotta, BE honest i had a joke planned,

1345
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,920
for this and it's just we've already discussed it so

1346
01:09:20,039 --> 01:09:21,880
much that it doesn't. Even land, it's, LIKE yeah i

1347
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,920
got this crazy, Lineup ready so take last year, starting

1348
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:28,479
Five Take josh hart out And put duce McBride. In

1349
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:34,960
boom it's, crazy, Lineup. RIGHT tibbs i think they can

1350
01:09:35,079 --> 01:09:39,640
go to some very good defensive LINEUPS without i mean

1351
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,119
it's literally the lineup we saw last Year, without kat,

1352
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:45,760
without bruntsing and you Go, to mitch you Go to

1353
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,680
deuce in. THEIR spots i think there's some really good

1354
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:53,199
offensive Lineups like yaboo at the five, Intrigues, me like

1355
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:57,399
if A game mitch, doesn't play do You go Yaboo,

1356
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:02,119
And Anobe Deuce bridges brunt and it's just like a five.

1357
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:07,520
Out lineup but it's like The diet rico, cola whatever

1358
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,479
the old soda that you get it at the, dollar

1359
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,920
store used to be version Of the warriors, death, lineup

1360
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,119
right because it doesn't have anything to stop people. On offense. On,

1361
01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:22,359
defense yeah there's there's some really creative offensive lineups they

1362
01:10:22,399 --> 01:10:24,920
can go to with two, small guards three. SMALL guards

1363
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,239
I know clarkson is like technically, six seven but he

1364
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:31,520
profiles like a. Smaller guard so if you wanted To

1365
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:33,880
like yaboo with, The Five josh hart at the four

1366
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,479
Next to clarkson and Do some, brunson like that's a

1367
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:42,399
really good offensive lineup in. My opinion he's, six seven?

1368
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,399
IS he i thought it was six five and most,

1369
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,399
my god but so even that he's not six to

1370
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,479
one like he doesn't he's not a, small guard but

1371
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,720
he profiles like play a. Small, guard Yeah like josh

1372
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:56,960
six six three on b ball refs. SIXTY things i

1373
01:10:57,000 --> 01:11:00,760
looking at it six, Seven, yesterday LaMelo? What's up maybe?

1374
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:04,159
SIX seven i JUST realized i, did, THAT man i

1375
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:07,159
didn't do that. ON purpose i would like To see

1376
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:07,840
yabu at.

1377
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 2: THE five i would Go like yabu like in sort

1378
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:12,479
of the, secondary units Give me Bridges.

1379
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,079
Speaker 1: And anobi yabu at the Five with Shaman. And deuce

1380
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,479
that's A lineup i would like. To, SEE yeah, I

1381
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,119
mean i mean for all the creative lineups that you could come.

1382
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:22,760
Up with, BELIEVE me i didn't see them.

1383
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,079
Speaker 2: Last year before we force you to make. Some predictions

1384
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,039
is there anything we haven't discussed about this team that

1385
01:11:29,079 --> 01:11:30,039
you think needs to be.

1386
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: TALKED about i think there's a playoff conversation to be

1387
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:34,880
had about this TEAM that i think we're about to

1388
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,920
HAVE that i think will be the only thing missing from. The,

1389
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,800
conversation okay.

1390
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,159
Speaker 3: So then we will now force you to make. A

1391
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:44,119
prediction this is more, REGULAR season, I suppose but how

1392
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:45,920
many games do you have? Them winning and then where

1393
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:46,960
do you see them finishing In.

1394
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: The east this should comes to no surprise. TO anybody

1395
01:11:51,039 --> 01:11:52,880
i Think the knicks are going TO The nba finals.

1396
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:58,159
THIS year i think now paths are different. Every season

1397
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,159
this is a principal eye person me believe. In TIBs

1398
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,199
like you can't, just, say hey they made it the

1399
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:07,239
conference finals, last year so the next step is Like

1400
01:12:07,279 --> 01:12:12,239
the pacers are gone Because, of haliburton and Like the

1401
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,760
celtics are gone Because. Of tatum so Clearly the knicks

1402
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:17,479
should be the one to, go There RIGHT so i

1403
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:21,640
have no Idea what orlando could potentially be as a hindrance.

1404
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:25,800
To that atlanta is actually a team that scares me

1405
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:28,399
because they can do the thing that the knicks biggest

1406
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,560
weakness is, really well and it's defending pick, and rolls

1407
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:36,760
especially if they get any hint of Help. From PORZINGIS

1408
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,800
but i think they have enough and there's enough guys

1409
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,600
there that are battle tested that you play enough playoff,

1410
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,239
games together you know how to get through certain situations

1411
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:49,840
that a lot of these younger teams. Just don't and

1412
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,279
when it comes to Them, VERSUS cleveland i like our

1413
01:12:52,279 --> 01:12:54,079
guys better than. Their guys just don't know what else to.

1414
01:12:54,079 --> 01:12:57,279
SAY it i Like the knick's ability to take advantage

1415
01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:00,560
of the calves weakness weakness on the boards more so

1416
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,319
than their ability to take advantage Of the knicks' biggest

1417
01:13:04,359 --> 01:13:07,000
weaknesses in the pick and. A ROLL so i haven't

1418
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:09,239
gone through. THE finals i have. FIFTY five i believe

1419
01:13:09,239 --> 01:13:12,159
it is the number of Wins that i've predicted for

1420
01:13:12,199 --> 01:13:13,800
this season or picked for. This SEASON so i have

1421
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,319
them hitting the over with the Caveat and i'll wait

1422
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:23,039
for the for the the worry that could potentially come in.

1423
01:13:23,079 --> 01:13:26,520
A second but that's my that's my prediction for. This

1424
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,880
season they're going to, the finals they'll probably, lose it

1425
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:35,359
and then they'll reassess in. The offseason what were you

1426
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:37,399
saving the? Worry for that was you answered the prediction

1427
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:39,960
question before we even like the additional, prediction question fore

1428
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,399
we even got. To it so what do you filling up.

1429
01:13:41,399 --> 01:13:45,560
Your chest the, nightmare scenario the absolute nightmare scenario. FOR

1430
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,960
me i Mentioned. The hawks knicks wins. Sixty games it's

1431
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,560
the most Fun any knicks fan has had watching a,

1432
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:56,439
team since like since two. Years ago but like now

1433
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,840
it's a sixty. Win team it's not just Like this

1434
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,079
TIBs team that we all fell in love with because

1435
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,840
they tried harder than, everybody, Else, right like it's actually

1436
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:06,880
we're excited because they're winning. Every night they're going on

1437
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,319
ten and eleven game. Winning streaks the offense, is great,

1438
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,439
is great the vibes. Are immaculate brunson's a TOP five.

1439
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,960
Mvp candidate two guys ARE. All nba they sneak in

1440
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,359
with A Third. ALL star i don't. Know who it,

1441
01:14:18,359 --> 01:14:21,880
will Be probably yaboo after he's also at all. Defense candidate,

1442
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,760
right deuces they still. Take positions it'd be at the,

1443
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,159
guard spot right Like dus is winning the three point

1444
01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:32,960
contest and after seeing so much five out and then and,

1445
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,720
it's like see didn't, need tips, you know we we

1446
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,239
got rid. Of them then they get to. The playoffs

1447
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,079
they play the second round Against, the hawks and their

1448
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:44,600
biggest problem during the playoffs, last year and a team

1449
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,079
can just Pick On Karl, anthony towns Pick On. Jalen

1450
01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:51,399
Brunson It's trey young getting downhill doing whatever he wants Against,

1451
01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:54,720
the knicks and, like bitch because of his, injury history

1452
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,479
he's worn down come, playoff time like a bad Injury to.

1453
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:02,119
Mitch Happens And, trey YOUNG who i wanted to just on,

1454
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:05,960
the record is eleven and twenty five in his career Against.

1455
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,800
The knicks now actually gets to claim that he Dominates

1456
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,359
the knicks for, His career like want to, be clear

1457
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,880
like eleven and, twenty one eleven and, twenty five whatever.

1458
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,880
IT is i know he has seven regular season wins

1459
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:20,159
Against the knicks in, his career but there's this one

1460
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,039
playoff Series Where julius randall And the House of cards

1461
01:15:23,039 --> 01:15:26,359
That that knicks team was, Like collapsed and now he gets

1462
01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:28,600
to claim like He Owns Madison square garden because of

1463
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,720
one playoff series and a in season tournament game that

1464
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,920
like nobody. Cared about now he actually has something to

1465
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:38,199
claim Over, the knicks and it's that the year that

1466
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,319
they won, sixty games and this was supposed to be,

1467
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:45,600
their year he eliminated them in the, second round and

1468
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,199
that is my, biggest worry that it's a team like

1469
01:15:48,319 --> 01:15:51,520
that that can take advantage of the knicks biggest weakness,

1470
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:55,640
on defense will exploit it for however many games in a,

1471
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,399
playoff series and then it's a round earlier then they

1472
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:03,239
got eliminated, last year which will bring the so why'd

1473
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:05,840
you get Rid of tibbs conversation all the? Way, back

1474
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:10,279
yeah so it's, my nightmare to be. Completely honest it's

1475
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:12,399
The thing i've thought a lot about this offseason that

1476
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:16,319
if there's a way this season goes, catastrophically wrong it's

1477
01:16:16,359 --> 01:16:19,159
not even like they win forty five games and it's not.

1478
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:21,680
That good it's they're too good in the regular season

1479
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,159
to create, any doubt and then come, playoff times we

1480
01:16:25,239 --> 01:16:28,520
don't even get the matchup Against.

1481
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: The cavs is as someone who's predicting them to MAKE

1482
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,000
The nba finals and knowing what the expectations are and

1483
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,720
what the. FRONT office, i mean they said it in their,

1484
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,800
press release but what it infers that You fired TIBs

1485
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,319
and didn't even have the which. Is fine the guy

1486
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:45,840
picked Out Like mike brown was one of. Many options

1487
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:49,319
they really believe that this is a. Championship roster is

1488
01:16:49,359 --> 01:16:52,119
there any scenario there where this can be? A progress

1489
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:55,159
isn't linear situation, where, it's oh they didn't make it

1490
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,520
as far as, last year but we saw this happen

1491
01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:02,039
and so like we are still encouraged by what's? The,

1492
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:04,680
ord no you think that they kind of have to

1493
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,119
meet THAT bar i would say at Least The eastern conference,

1494
01:17:07,159 --> 01:17:09,239
finals again and That again i'm asking with someone who

1495
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:10,119
has them going TO The.

1496
01:17:10,199 --> 01:17:15,520
Speaker 1: Nba, finals no there's no version where. They lose there's

1497
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,199
no version where they lose anything but game seven of

1498
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:23,159
the conference finals. Or later that progress is that you

1499
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:26,119
could consider. THE season i don't know how you Know

1500
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,640
what i'm trying. To say i'm trying, to say like

1501
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,640
it's a failure unless they get to game seven OF

1502
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,239
The Nba, Conference finals like that's what. They've created, that

1503
01:17:33,359 --> 01:17:38,199
is unfortunately the situation they've now created for their coaching

1504
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,399
staff or, their players for their franchise and their. Fan

1505
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,279
base you told us getting further than you had then

1506
01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:49,039
in the last twenty five years wasn't. Good enough and

1507
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:52,840
it took again divine intervention from a team on a

1508
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:56,319
heater in crunch time that took the eventual champs to

1509
01:17:56,399 --> 01:18:00,119
seven games that almost beat them in Seven games like

1510
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,520
that wasn't. Good enough so if you don't get to,

1511
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:07,640
that again it's not good enough just by. Your definition

1512
01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:11,000
so There's, no hey look we won, sixty games like

1513
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:13,800
the scenario. Lime painting we won sixty games and then

1514
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,000
lost in the. Second round, but like we're still working.

1515
01:18:18,039 --> 01:18:19,920
At something it's a first year. Head, coach no you

1516
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:23,600
told us getting to game six two wins away from,

1517
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,359
the finals six wins away from a championship isn't, Good

1518
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,760
enough so next year you have to be better. Than that.

1519
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 2: This, was, great gemask thank you so mush for giving

1520
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,880
us a bunch of your time.

1521
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,199
Speaker 1: Once again are you able to just.

1522
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,159
Speaker 2: Tell our audience where they can find you in all

1523
01:18:38,199 --> 01:18:40,000
the work that, you're doing not ONLY a kfs.

1524
01:18:40,039 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: But elsewhere you could find Me on Twitter AT. Andrew J.

1525
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:50,800
Claudio underscore my Burner is starduce, twenty six, twenty five,

1526
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:51,680
twenty six.

1527
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:59,159
Speaker 2: Not yabo poa gobu lockdown l opoa ldpoa.

1528
01:18:59,159 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: Excuse me you can find Me At Nick's. Film school on,

1529
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,880
all socials we got a lot of stuff going on

1530
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,920
on every social that you can follow as well as our,

1531
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,520
YouTube channel which is Fastly Growing game theory With. San

1532
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:12,439
vassini i'm doing a lot more stuff with them. THIS

1533
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:16,319
season i haven't talked about baseball that much throughout, this

1534
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:21,760
CONVERSATION but i also Have A mets therapy TikTok and

1535
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:24,399
Twitter and instagram ACCOUNT where i just give my three

1536
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,319
minutes thoughts About The New, york mets and boy do

1537
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,800
they make me check in for a lot of sessions

1538
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:33,199
with how they treat their. Fan base so those are

1539
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,760
all the places you could. Find. Me guys it was

1540
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,640
always good to make this, week weekly yearly trip to

1541
01:19:40,399 --> 01:19:43,479
The hardwood knox and to talk about a basketball team

1542
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,600
that has kind of taken over my life over the past.

1543
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,479
Five years so it's good to be with. You today, Thank.

1544
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,600
Speaker 3: You andrew the feeling, is mutual and YOU know i

1545
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,640
don't always close these with, other.

1546
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:00,520
Speaker 1: Teams but since, you're here everybody rate. With you subscribe

1547
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:00,720
to all.

1548
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:04,079
Speaker 3: Those Things Apologies, jared allen Shout Outs, frank milakina