1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,400 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,160 back in to the top and Owel interview with the 4 00:00:09,199 --> 00:00:14,599 OIG Inspectors. Question. Okay, what's your belief or understanding of 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,079 how Epstein died? Noel, He hung himself. Question, So you 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,039 believe he was dead upon Thomas entering into the cell? Noel, 7 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,160 I don't know, because I just assumed that he hung 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,679 himself because I read the indiscernible. Question So you believe 9 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:33,399 Epstein took his own life? Noel Yeah. Question Did someone 10 00:00:33,399 --> 00:00:37,240 else take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question did anyone assist 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:41,679 Epstein with taking his life? Noel no question. Did Thomas 12 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:45,759 take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question did Thomas assist Epstein 13 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:50,159 with taking his life? Noel no question. Did you assist 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,600 Epstein with taking his life? Noel, no question? Did you 15 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:58,359 take Epstein's life? Noel no question. Did you have any 16 00:00:58,439 --> 00:01:04,040 part in Epstein's death? Noel no question. Prior to Epstein dying, 17 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:08,640 did you have any communications, verbal, electronic, handwritten, or otherwise 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,680 with anyone BOP staff member or otherwise about the safety 19 00:01:12,719 --> 00:01:16,359 and well being of Epstein? Noel, no question. All right, 20 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:18,799 do you need me to that was pretty long? Did 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,640 you catch everything that I just asked there? Noel? Yeah. Question, 22 00:01:23,159 --> 00:01:25,799 this is going to be another long one. Prior to 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,719 Epstein dying, did you have any communications verbal, electronic, handwritten, 24 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:35,000 or otherwise with anyone BOP staff members or otherwise? And 25 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,159 when I say otherwise, I mean like civilians, inmates, you know, 26 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,400 anybody on the street Noel, Okay. Question about Epstein's death 27 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:46,799 or Epstein taking his own life? Noel, no question. Did 28 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,879 anyone offer you anything such as something of value or 29 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,239 favors with regard to harming Epstein or taking his life? Noel, 30 00:01:54,359 --> 00:01:58,040 no question. Did anyone ever threaten you in exchange for 31 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:02,799 harming Epstein or taking epstein life? Noel? No question. Do 32 00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:06,599 you know anyone else that those questions would have applied to? Noel, 33 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,560 no question. Do you know of anyone else being offered 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,759 anything to hurt Epstein or taking his life? Noel, no question. No. 35 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:17,400 Why wasn't Epstein in his assigned cell on August tenth, 36 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:22,120 twenty nineteen, Noel, that was a cell question, It wasn't. 37 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:26,039 This is the first you're hearing of that. Noel, Yeah. Question, 38 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,599 So he wasn't in his assigned cell. Noel. What I 39 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,159 never knew that question, But it kind of doesn't surprise 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,879 me because you said that you didn't even know who 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,199 was in that in what cell? You just look to 42 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,439 see if people. So Epstein assigned to the cell across 43 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:43,840 the hall, he wasn't even in the cell that he 44 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,719 was actually assigned to. Noel. Wait, you said across the hall, 45 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,280 so like not in the shoe redacted, same tier. But 46 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,560 you know they do inmates cell locations or rotations, Noel, 47 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:58,840 no question. So you do not know that inmates are 48 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,719 moved from different Noel, Yeah, I know that they move. 49 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,280 You said, if I know how they do that? I 50 00:03:05,319 --> 00:03:08,439 don't know that question. Do you know how often? Noel? 51 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,479 Often they do that? I'm not sure. Question. Are you 52 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:17,560 responsible for reviewing as your assignment duties and responsibilities within 53 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:20,280 the shoe or verifying that the inmates are in the 54 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,319 cells that they're assigned to, Noel, I don't know if 55 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,719 I'm responsible for but there is their ID cards are 56 00:03:26,759 --> 00:03:31,479 on the door. Question was Epstein's ID card on his door? Noel? 57 00:03:31,759 --> 00:03:34,599 No not all of them? Question? Okay, was there anything 58 00:03:34,599 --> 00:03:38,479 else on the door? Noel? Notion was there anything on 59 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,280 the door that said something about him being required to 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,439 have a cell mate. Noel, no question, So you don't 61 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:48,039 know anything about him not being in his assigned cell. Noel, 62 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:51,240 I never knew that question. Okay, So this is the 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,639 first time you're hearing about it ever since the incident. Noel. Right, 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,199 So you said he was assigned to the cell across 65 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,280 from him because that had people in it. Question. Yeah, 66 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,080 because of cell rotations. It doesn't mean that Noel cuts 67 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,000 them off. Oh okay, he continues. I think as far 68 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:14,319 as you were concerned, he was in that cell, you 69 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,959 didn't move them to a different one. But administratively he 70 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,439 was in a different cell, and he was moved and 71 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:25,199 the assignment didn't follow him. Noel, Oh okay. Questions On paper, 72 00:04:25,439 --> 00:04:27,759 he was supposed to be in one cell. In reality 73 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:32,199 he was in another Noel okay. Question. So if you 74 00:04:32,319 --> 00:04:35,040 look in the system and you find out, Hey, where 75 00:04:35,079 --> 00:04:37,759 was Epstein supposed to be? He was supposed to be 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,560 over here from the paperwork in the book. Noel Oh okay. 77 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:47,079 Question he was physically located over here. Noel Okay. Question 78 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,079 did you ever have any dealings with that? Noel, I 79 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,560 never even knew that question. So is this the one 80 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:58,839 that he was actually in? Answer? Yeah, question, so he 81 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,560 was in cell two twenty. He was assigned to sell 82 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,959 two six Noel, uh huh. Question. But that's not something 83 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,319 you dealt with, Noel. No question. Did you ever deal 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,360 with rotating the inmates into different cells? Noel, no question. 85 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,480 Do you know who deals with that? Noel? No question. 86 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,480 Did you ever see them get rotated? Noel? On the 87 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:24,680 eight to four question, That's what I'm asking. I'm not 88 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,720 saying just for Epstein. I'm saying, like, in general, have 89 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:32,560 you ever witnessed inmates being rotated to different cells? Noel? 90 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,680 One time? Question? One time? And how is that? How 91 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,600 does that play out? Noel? I think redacted the day 92 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:41,279 when I saw it where redacted was doing it, Like, 93 00:05:41,399 --> 00:05:43,920 I don't know, they told them to pack up, They 94 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,720 pack up the stuff, two people move them, and they 95 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,560 go to the cell that they're supposed to go to. Question. 96 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:51,639 And then do you know what they're supposed to do 97 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,639 at that point in order to make sure the paperwork 98 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,480 follows them to that cell? Noel, I don't know about 99 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,279 the paperwork. Question. Do you know who is responsible for that? Noel? 100 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:05,480 No question. Would it be the lieutenant in your opinion, 101 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,199 or you just don't know, Noel, I just don't know. 102 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,040 Question Okay, And is that anything you've ever dealt with 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,800 as far as like training or that you recall Noel, 104 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,079 the cell rotation, no question. Do you know if it's 105 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,519 supposed to be every certain amount of days? Noel. I 106 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:24,720 know it's supposed to be every certain amount of days, 107 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,319 but I don't know. Do you remember Epstein ever being 108 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,639 assigned to sell two O six? Noel. I don't know 109 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:34,800 where to sell two O six? Is there's one that's 110 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,800 across from where he was at question? They're both on 111 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:43,360 El tier. So I'm just assuming Noel, Oh, question, because 112 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:47,560 there's the paperwork that shows that's not even the number. Noel. Yeah, 113 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,399 the number is not on here. I don't know what 114 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:52,879 cell is two six. She gets cut off. So when 115 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:55,120 you're in the shoe in July and August, when he 116 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,759 was when Epstein was assigned to the shoe, do you 117 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,360 recall him ever being in a different cell than the 118 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:03,079 cell you found him in or Thomas found him in 119 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,480 on August tenth. Noel, Yeah, he was downstairs. Question downstairs Noel? 120 00:07:09,759 --> 00:07:12,800 On I think MD here with Tartaglioni, because that was 121 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,920 his cell mate. Question all right, So what about on Eltier? 122 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,639 You ever remember him being in a different cell up there? Noel, 123 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:24,120 no question, No, Noel, no question. All right, So the 124 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Tartaglioni incident happened on July the twenty third. He comes 125 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:32,680 back on July thirtieth, from your recollection, he came back 126 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,920 and he was with Reyes. He was always in that 127 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:39,800 same cell, Noel, and in that indiscernible cell. Yes, question, 128 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:42,639 all right, So maybe he wasn't rotated, but on paper 129 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:47,360 it was rotated. Noel. Maybe. Question, but you don't know 130 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:51,319 anything about it? Noel, I don't know anything. No question. Okay, 131 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,199 but do you know what BOP database tracks that? Noel, 132 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,439 no question. Why were there pill bottles found on the 133 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:02,560 top blank of Epstein's cell? Noel, I don't know. Question. 134 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,519 Do you know anything about like medication or what was 135 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,120 found in there? Noel, no question. Do you have any 136 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,399 idea what was even Did you ever go on Epstein's 137 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:15,959 cell prior to this incident? Noel, no question. Do you 138 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:18,399 know if Epstein was authorized to have pills in his 139 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:22,560 cell on the shoe? Noel, I don't know. Question do 140 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,279 you know if that's like abnormal or if inmates are 141 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:29,000 allowed to have medication in the shoe Noel, No question, 142 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,720 they're not allowed to, Noel, they're not allowed. Question even 143 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:36,879 if it's prescription medication, Noel, I don't know. Question do 144 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:40,240 you ever provide inmates prescription medication when you're working in 145 00:08:40,279 --> 00:08:45,159 the shoe Noel, No, the nurse does. Question the nurse 146 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,000 comes around. Noel, yeah. Question So is that surprising to 147 00:08:49,039 --> 00:08:53,440 hear that there were medications in his cell? Noel? Yes. 148 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Question and you knew nothing about that being in there, Noel. 149 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,960 No question. Is it SHEE policy for things like medication? 150 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,759 Is it different than the other housing units? Noel? Yeah, 151 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:08,519 because I think like on housing units they can have 152 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,080 prescription medication in their cell. Question Okay, Noel, but in 153 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,799 the shoe they can't. Question And do you know that 154 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,240 to be a fact or is that just your belief? Noel, 155 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,000 I don't know it to be a fact. Question Okay. 156 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,879 Do you know if any other inmate in the shoe 157 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 are allowed to have medication in their cell? Noel, I 158 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,639 don't know. Question how many changes of clothing and linens 159 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,840 are inmates allowed to have in the shoe Noel. I 160 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,240 think one question it's supposed to be a one for 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:46,039 one exchange. Noel. Yes. Question for both linens and clothing, Noel. 162 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,559 For linen, I'm not sure. With clothing question okay, why 163 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,480 did Epstein have extra clothing and extra linen in his cell? Noel, 164 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:56,960 I don't know. Question you don't know, but you said 165 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,480 that was something that you did though, as far as 166 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:02,639 your duty is to be able to provide people with 167 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:07,039 linen and clothing, Noel. I never gave out linen ever, 168 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,279 because that's done on the shift. Prior question what shift 169 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,120 is that? Noel? Eight to four? Question? And did you 170 00:10:14,159 --> 00:10:17,919 ever work the eight to four shift? Noel? Yeah, but 171 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:19,840 I worked the eight to four when I come in 172 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:22,399 to do overtime before, but it's not always in the shoe. 173 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,840 Question okay, so have you ever worked eight to four 174 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,799 in the shoe? Noel? I think I have question? And 175 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:32,519 do you remember doing or giving the linens? Noel. I 176 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,600 never gave linens. Question you never gave linens, Noel. Never 177 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:42,000 question What about the clothing, Noel, Noe never question When 178 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,759 is that done? Noel? I give toilet paper? Say that again? 179 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:49,080 Question when is the clothing done? Noel? I don't know. 180 00:10:49,759 --> 00:10:53,000 Question no, And did you ever provide Epstein with additional 181 00:10:53,039 --> 00:10:57,639 clothing or linens? Noel? Never. Question do you know of 182 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:01,200 anyone that has Noel, no question. You ever, you never 183 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,039 witnessed anyone provide him with anything extra? Noel. No question. 184 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,759 Do you know if providing inmates with extra clothing and 185 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,759 linin's is a security risk? Noel, I don't know. Question no. 186 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,360 If you saw that an inmate had extra clothing or linens, 187 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,159 would you do anything about it? Noel? I mean i'd 188 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:23,759 ask question who would you ask? Noel the officer I'm 189 00:11:23,759 --> 00:11:27,279 working with? Question And did you ever have to do that? Noel? 190 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:32,279 No question. So you never witnessed anybody, Noel, because I 191 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,600 never saw it. No question. Okay. And when you're looking 192 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,559 in doing your accounts, in your rounds, are you looking 193 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,759 for things like that? Noel, not really. Question, you're just 194 00:11:41,799 --> 00:11:44,799 looking for the person. You're not looking to see what's 195 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,799 going on in their cell. Noel. Correct. Sometimes they don't 196 00:11:47,799 --> 00:11:50,240 even let you see their cell. They're like standing in 197 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,159 the window blocking the window. Question. But it's your understanding 198 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:57,960 though it's supposed to be a one for one exchange, Noel. Yes, 199 00:11:58,279 --> 00:12:00,159 all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and 200 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,120 in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going 201 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,120 to pick up where we left off. All the information 202 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,919 that goes with this episode can be found in the 203 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:08,879 description box.