Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to the top and Owel interview with the
OIG Inspectors. Question. Okay, what's your belief or understanding of
how Epstein died? Noel, He hung himself. Question, So you
believe he was dead upon Thomas entering into the cell? Noel,
I don't know, because I just assumed that he hung
himself because I read the indiscernible. Question So you believe
Epstein took his own life? Noel Yeah. Question Did someone
else take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question did anyone assist
Epstein with taking his life? Noel no question. Did Thomas
take Epstein's life? Noel know. Question did Thomas assist Epstein
with taking his life? Noel no question. Did you assist
Epstein with taking his life? Noel, no question? Did you
take Epstein's life? Noel no question. Did you have any
part in Epstein's death? Noel no question. Prior to Epstein dying,
did you have any communications, verbal, electronic, handwritten, or otherwise
with anyone BOP staff member or otherwise about the safety
and well being of Epstein? Noel, no question. All right,
do you need me to that was pretty long? Did
you catch everything that I just asked there? Noel? Yeah. Question,
this is going to be another long one. Prior to
Epstein dying, did you have any communications verbal, electronic, handwritten,
or otherwise with anyone BOP staff members or otherwise? And
when I say otherwise, I mean like civilians, inmates, you know,
anybody on the street Noel, Okay. Question about Epstein's death
or Epstein taking his own life? Noel, no question. Did
anyone offer you anything such as something of value or
favors with regard to harming Epstein or taking his life? Noel,
no question. Did anyone ever threaten you in exchange for
harming Epstein or taking epstein life? Noel? No question. Do
you know anyone else that those questions would have applied to? Noel,
no question. Do you know of anyone else being offered
anything to hurt Epstein or taking his life? Noel, no question. No.
Why wasn't Epstein in his assigned cell on August tenth,
twenty nineteen, Noel, that was a cell question, It wasn't.
This is the first you're hearing of that. Noel, Yeah. Question,
So he wasn't in his assigned cell. Noel. What I
never knew that question, But it kind of doesn't surprise
me because you said that you didn't even know who
was in that in what cell? You just look to
see if people. So Epstein assigned to the cell across
the hall, he wasn't even in the cell that he
was actually assigned to. Noel. Wait, you said across the hall,
so like not in the shoe redacted, same tier. But
you know they do inmates cell locations or rotations, Noel,
no question. So you do not know that inmates are
moved from different Noel, Yeah, I know that they move.
You said, if I know how they do that? I
don't know that question. Do you know how often? Noel?
Often they do that? I'm not sure. Question. Are you
responsible for reviewing as your assignment duties and responsibilities within
the shoe or verifying that the inmates are in the
cells that they're assigned to, Noel, I don't know if
I'm responsible for but there is their ID cards are
on the door. Question was Epstein's ID card on his door? Noel?
No not all of them? Question? Okay, was there anything
else on the door? Noel? Notion was there anything on
the door that said something about him being required to
have a cell mate. Noel, no question, So you don't
know anything about him not being in his assigned cell. Noel,
I never knew that question. Okay, So this is the
first time you're hearing about it ever since the incident. Noel. Right,
So you said he was assigned to the cell across
from him because that had people in it. Question. Yeah,
because of cell rotations. It doesn't mean that Noel cuts
them off. Oh okay, he continues. I think as far
as you were concerned, he was in that cell, you
didn't move them to a different one. But administratively he
was in a different cell, and he was moved and
the assignment didn't follow him. Noel, Oh okay. Questions On paper,
he was supposed to be in one cell. In reality
he was in another Noel okay. Question. So if you
look in the system and you find out, Hey, where
was Epstein supposed to be? He was supposed to be
over here from the paperwork in the book. Noel Oh okay.
Question he was physically located over here. Noel Okay. Question
did you ever have any dealings with that? Noel, I
never even knew that question. So is this the one
that he was actually in? Answer? Yeah, question, so he
was in cell two twenty. He was assigned to sell
two six Noel, uh huh. Question. But that's not something
you dealt with, Noel. No question. Did you ever deal
with rotating the inmates into different cells? Noel, no question.
Do you know who deals with that? Noel? No question.
Did you ever see them get rotated? Noel? On the
eight to four question, That's what I'm asking. I'm not
saying just for Epstein. I'm saying, like, in general, have
you ever witnessed inmates being rotated to different cells? Noel?
One time? Question? One time? And how is that? How
does that play out? Noel? I think redacted the day
when I saw it where redacted was doing it, Like,
I don't know, they told them to pack up, They
pack up the stuff, two people move them, and they
go to the cell that they're supposed to go to. Question.
And then do you know what they're supposed to do
at that point in order to make sure the paperwork
follows them to that cell? Noel, I don't know about
the paperwork. Question. Do you know who is responsible for that? Noel?
No question. Would it be the lieutenant in your opinion,
or you just don't know, Noel, I just don't know.
Question Okay, And is that anything you've ever dealt with
as far as like training or that you recall Noel,
the cell rotation, no question. Do you know if it's
supposed to be every certain amount of days? Noel. I
know it's supposed to be every certain amount of days,
but I don't know. Do you remember Epstein ever being
assigned to sell two O six? Noel. I don't know
where to sell two O six? Is there's one that's
across from where he was at question? They're both on
El tier. So I'm just assuming Noel, Oh, question, because
there's the paperwork that shows that's not even the number. Noel. Yeah,
the number is not on here. I don't know what
cell is two six. She gets cut off. So when
you're in the shoe in July and August, when he
was when Epstein was assigned to the shoe, do you
recall him ever being in a different cell than the
cell you found him in or Thomas found him in
on August tenth. Noel, Yeah, he was downstairs. Question downstairs Noel?
On I think MD here with Tartaglioni, because that was
his cell mate. Question all right, So what about on Eltier?
You ever remember him being in a different cell up there? Noel,
no question, No, Noel, no question. All right, So the
Tartaglioni incident happened on July the twenty third. He comes
back on July thirtieth, from your recollection, he came back
and he was with Reyes. He was always in that
same cell, Noel, and in that indiscernible cell. Yes, question,
all right, So maybe he wasn't rotated, but on paper
it was rotated. Noel. Maybe. Question, but you don't know
anything about it? Noel, I don't know anything. No question. Okay,
but do you know what BOP database tracks that? Noel,
no question. Why were there pill bottles found on the
top blank of Epstein's cell? Noel, I don't know. Question.
Do you know anything about like medication or what was
found in there? Noel, no question. Do you have any
idea what was even Did you ever go on Epstein's
cell prior to this incident? Noel, no question. Do you
know if Epstein was authorized to have pills in his
cell on the shoe? Noel, I don't know. Question do
you know if that's like abnormal or if inmates are
allowed to have medication in the shoe Noel, No question,
they're not allowed to, Noel, they're not allowed. Question even
if it's prescription medication, Noel, I don't know. Question do
you ever provide inmates prescription medication when you're working in
the shoe Noel, No, the nurse does. Question the nurse
comes around. Noel, yeah. Question So is that surprising to
hear that there were medications in his cell? Noel? Yes.
Question and you knew nothing about that being in there, Noel.
No question. Is it SHEE policy for things like medication?
Is it different than the other housing units? Noel? Yeah,
because I think like on housing units they can have
prescription medication in their cell. Question Okay, Noel, but in
the shoe they can't. Question And do you know that
to be a fact or is that just your belief? Noel,
I don't know it to be a fact. Question Okay.
Do you know if any other inmate in the shoe
are allowed to have medication in their cell? Noel, I
don't know. Question how many changes of clothing and linens
are inmates allowed to have in the shoe Noel. I
think one question it's supposed to be a one for
one exchange. Noel. Yes. Question for both linens and clothing, Noel.
For linen, I'm not sure. With clothing question okay, why
did Epstein have extra clothing and extra linen in his cell? Noel,
I don't know. Question you don't know, but you said
that was something that you did though, as far as
your duty is to be able to provide people with
linen and clothing, Noel. I never gave out linen ever,
because that's done on the shift. Prior question what shift
is that? Noel? Eight to four? Question? And did you
ever work the eight to four shift? Noel? Yeah, but
I worked the eight to four when I come in
to do overtime before, but it's not always in the shoe.
Question okay, so have you ever worked eight to four
in the shoe? Noel? I think I have question? And
do you remember doing or giving the linens? Noel. I
never gave linens. Question you never gave linens, Noel. Never
question What about the clothing, Noel, Noe never question When
is that done? Noel? I give toilet paper? Say that again?
Question when is the clothing done? Noel? I don't know.
Question no, And did you ever provide Epstein with additional
clothing or linens? Noel? Never. Question do you know of
anyone that has Noel, no question. You ever, you never
witnessed anyone provide him with anything extra? Noel. No question.
Do you know if providing inmates with extra clothing and
linin's is a security risk? Noel, I don't know. Question no.
If you saw that an inmate had extra clothing or linens,
would you do anything about it? Noel? I mean i'd
ask question who would you ask? Noel the officer I'm
working with? Question And did you ever have to do that? Noel?
No question. So you never witnessed anybody, Noel, because I
never saw it. No question. Okay. And when you're looking
in doing your accounts, in your rounds, are you looking
for things like that? Noel, not really. Question, you're just
looking for the person. You're not looking to see what's
going on in their cell. Noel. Correct. Sometimes they don't
even let you see their cell. They're like standing in
the window blocking the window. Question. But it's your understanding
though it's supposed to be a one for one exchange, Noel. Yes,
all right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here and
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