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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.

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Speaker 2: Is he I think you already knew that got an excellent,

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excellent show for you this day evening, whenever it is

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that you are going to listen to this. Brent Auran's

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from Flip along with John Mitchalski. I think I said

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it right this time. Author Wellip, thanks for having us

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talking about this great book that he put together. And

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brn On from Flip talking about the book as well

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and telling some great stories.

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Speaker 1: Co hosted.

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Speaker 2: By my good friend Keith roth Um. It's going to

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be an excellent show. It is an excellent show. I

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know because I was part of it. I had a

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great act show on Saturday night here in Las Vegas.

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Thank you to everybody that was able to make it out.

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Todd Hollworth Jesus Christ still has it after all these years.

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He still has it still as the voice still looks

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so goddamn young, damn him. Troy Patrick Ferrell on the

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drums conquering the Anton fig stuff.

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Speaker 1: Phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Mike Campion from Jean's Addiction playing the bass guitar and

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doing some singing. Keith Robert War. Can't say enough about

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Keith Robert War. Phenomenal, phenomenal, phenomenal and he did double duty.

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He played with LVDC, the band that we opened up for.

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We warmed up, as they say in the business, phenomenal,

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absolutely great and great crowd, great songs, good times, great oldies.

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Speaker 1: Not sure who we have.

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was just screaming on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know all the.

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Speaker 2: Socials at real Izzy Presley, Twitter, Inscrant, Facebook, all the

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across the board show page. Another f and podcast. Now

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that the mutual bullshit is over, let us start the show. Hi,

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this is Bobby Brown and welcome to another fucking podcast.

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Speaker 4: Kiss with your Loud music.

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Speaker 3: And your Dan Fogelberg, your.

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Speaker 4: Zeema, hula hoops and fact Man video games. Don't you

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see people today have attention spans that can only be

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measured in namos seconds.

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Speaker 2: He's got an old legendship and they just food.

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Speaker 5: Wait, he's like legend and an adawook from with a

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Speaker 2: Hello Las Vegas, Hello world, Hello, my loyal minions. It

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is good to see you, and it is always good

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to be seeing. This is another f and podcast. I

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am the host of the program. My name is Ezzi

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Presley and I actually have a co host this afternoon.

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His name is Keith Roth from the Serious Exam Hair

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Nation and Ozzie's Boneyard and the band The Dictators, and

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he is a a year long Flip fan. He just

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got introduced to the band by of course me on

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the on one of the cruises that we do. And

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Bryn Arens is back from Flip.

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Speaker 5: You haven't been on in a while, but nice to

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Speaker 2: It's good to see you. And John mccoalsky Is that

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my saying that correctly?

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Speaker 6: Close enough? I say Michowski, but I'll answer that no.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, blame my midwestern self. They are here to

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talk about this book that that John wrote with BRN

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and with a lot of people actually dive into like

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the road crew and all this kind of stuff. It's

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very very cool. It is called Flip Thanks for having us,

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And of course the subtitle is the story behind the

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Little Band that Almost Could.

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Speaker 5: I didn't write it. I didn't have anything to do

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with the writing, okay, other than other than I mean, yes,

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of course I the content, but as far as putting

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a book together, writing a book, I had nothing to

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do with that or no editorial anything. I think, you, well,

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the credit, but as a bio, it's nobody in the

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spand exercised one ounce of editorial controller. At some point

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this in, or talk to this guy or don't talk

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but I hand to god, Brinn never saw the finished

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book till it was already out there and being sold.

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Speaker 5: And not even for two weeks or four, not for

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right. It just like, yeah, it felt weird

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Speaker 6: Twice I can understand, like, what is somebody else's summary

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of my life gonna look like? I get that. But

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they all trusted me with it.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 6: It was such fun and it was a fast project.

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the moment we were printing was eight months.

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Speaker 3: Wowow, and a lot your passion behind that. That's what

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I got it done at expedited and actually, you know,

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having the involvement of breat and everybody else. I mean, yeah,

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the best clean has happened quickly like that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I had some experience writing. I don't how do

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teacher in the middle scho and during the summers when

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search of undiscovered species of insects and my areas dragonflies.

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discovered and named nine species of dragonflies from the South Pacific.

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like I'm really backpacking in jungles, and so I kept

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journals and I turned it into books of my adventures.

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the grandchildren of headhunters and stuff like that. So I

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tell a narrative, but to actually format a book and

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favorite band in the world, I already knew how to

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physically do that stuff and get it done. And I

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page and said, you know, I want to write a book,

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and he said what book, and then he sent me

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his phone number and I just called him up and

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by the end of like a half hour, Brian, you'll

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you'll remember this. By the end of a half hour conversation,

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we were just both connecting so well that it was

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just on and then it was just Facebook meetings. Facebook means.

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Night Bob would remember that story better than me. And

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then it was Nightbob and then it was you know,

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maybe Jack Douglas should have a look at this, and

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it was just like, man, it was it was a

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fans dream come true. It was such a fun, fun book.

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Speaker 3: That's another example of another great book. By the way,

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something do a book on Nightbob. That's something that needs

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to get done as well, since we're talking about him.

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Speaker 5: But we've discussed Nightbob is not ready to do it yet,

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but of course it's in is and pan gould one say,

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author like Jymnasium. But yeah, no question about it. I

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couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 6: Nightbob. You know how to contact me, you know, as.

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Speaker 5: Well as a villa, watch a bill, a coin book.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, so britty when he first contacts you,

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I mean, what's what's going through your head?

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Speaker 5: Rough, No, that the joke would be wrong number. First

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thing I thought it was this guy's got the wrong number.

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Cool now we uh. Just prior to this, we had

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done a bunch of Ace Raileague dates on the East Coast,

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and John and I did hang for a couple of

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minutes after one of those gigs, and I did have

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a vague memory of that.

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Speaker 6: I hadn't even thought about the book at that time.

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it was twenty twenty two. They had an album, first

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of their gigs was in Pennsylvania, which was like a

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my best friend, who was a fellow musician. I said,

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we got to come see Flip. I hadn't thought about

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the book. We went, we watched their set, we met

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him a little bit, and then Ace started up and

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the parking lot. So he went hung with them and

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it was a great half hour, just it was just

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shooting the breeze, having a great time. And again I

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hadn't even considered the idea of the book yet. So

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when I contacted you brand, you had some vague recollection

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Speaker 5: I remembered like meeting three or a few really cool

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people that night, so I was able to kind of,

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talking about music and things, and I think I made

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the joke that, dude, it's like we grew up across

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the street from each other. It just happened to be

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Speaker 3: That's ch analogy.

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Speaker 6: Brett and I are really close in age, and you

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know we both I mean, all rock and rollers have this,

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but I'm just a rock and roller by dreams. You know,

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but all rock and rollers have this older sibling who

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was ahead of the curve. They learned all their stuff

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ahead of their age mates because they had somebody who

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of that. So I had all this stuff. And also,

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even though I'm a science teacher, I got the musical background,

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so I was able to say, now that's not cherry

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on the base on that track, is it? And he go,

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You're right. We had freaky in there by, like I

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could hear those things, so we were speaking a musical

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language which I'm going to make a prison also put

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them out their ease a little bit. I wasn't just

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some fanboy saying remember that that that Chris Farley thing,

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wasn't that guy was able to say, now, who are

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you talking about in mister potato Head, because that seems

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like a real point in commentary and Britan we say, oh, yeah,

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that's about somebody, But I'm not going to tell you.

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The average fan isn't coming to you that way. So

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Speaker 2: The thing that I do like about the book is

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when you break down the songs, you get the albums

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and then here's the songs and here's the lyrics, and

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then there's Brinn talking about, well, this is what that

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Speaker 6: That was from the moment I conceived of doing this book,

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and a little bit easier because Flip has like three

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it's a bigger book. But from the moment I conceived

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of it, I said, I want every song to have

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the lyrics to on one side of the page, and

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then in a text box the band's recollections about it,

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because I you know, the whole problems. From the moment

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I thought of it, I said to myself, I want

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this book to be the book that a fan has

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everything a fan wants, because I'd read all the Kiss bios,

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the van Halen that there's only one cheap trick bio

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out there, and I've said this to other people when

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Kiss had that A and e two hour thing going.

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Almost everybody's favorite moment is the scene of Gene and

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Paul sitting in the living room with Paul's feet up

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on the couch, just shooting the shit. I wanted this

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book to be what it would be like for a

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Flip fan to be sitting in the living room with

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the four guys sitting around, just telling the story the

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way they remember it. So you haven't mentioned it yet, Izzy,

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but like so much of the book is in the

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band's own words, Like I transcribed their stories and dropped

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him in because I thought, who better to tell it

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than them? The book the kids want, the kids the

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fans would want.

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Speaker 5: That's how it struck me funny. Even back in the seventies,

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I remember rock bands and interviews Aerosmith. Yeah, for the kids.

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Speaker 6: That just fell out. And that's because I'm a school teacher.

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But you know, you'd much rather have a book say

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about Cheap Trick, with lots of quotes from Rick and

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Bunny and those guys telling it from their point of

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view than a third person thing saying I looked it

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up on Wikipedia and this is what I got. And

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I had the luxury of that, so I used it.

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Speaker 5: To the think that's pronounced Flip.

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Speaker 6: That's coming Britain to your next project?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know is he says to me.

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You know we're talking music and I've known is he

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for a little bit at that point and he goes,

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are you hip to Flip? You know Minnesota band? I'm like,

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Minnesota man, I love Minnesota rock. You know the replacements

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Bosker do you know? Obviously Prince, I'm like, who the

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fuck is Flip? You're gonna have to edit that because

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you've got.

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Speaker 1: To shoot.

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Speaker 3: And then he starts sending me stuff on it. And

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then you know, I go down the rabbit hole. I mean,

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because a lot of things in the nineties, you know,

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it passed me, you know, I was in the thick

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of it. And then uh, and then find that out,

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you know, you work with Mick Ronson and you know,

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you have these records out. Then is he sending me

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YouTube videos? And then I bought the album and I'm like,

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how did I miss this? And then I started sending

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like to my fellow music coologist and we're like, you know,

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we're in New York. You know, we're in New Jersey,

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I mean, and we feel like we know everything. And

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then here's this great band from Minnesota, and it's so

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cool to discover a cool band like you guys, because

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you know, you have great songs I'm a big cheap

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trick fan. You know, you can hear the influence is

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a cheap trick, but you know it's got the theatrics,

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it's got every it's got the whole package. And the

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more you dig down the rabbit hole, you just say

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to yourself, this is cool. And now there's a great

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book that I could read about Flip more so than

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flip Apedia, whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was talking to Izzy before we started rolling,

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and I was telling him that the way I found

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the band like you grow like You, Keith, growing up

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on the East Coast wouldn't have known about it. And

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in twenty thirteen, which I can't believe is eleven years ago,

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already the math insists on it. But I was watching

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three sides of the Coin Tommy Summers. They got into

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a conversation about who's your favorite, Who's a great band

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that a lot of people don't know about, and he

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kept saying Flip Flip, Flip flip. So of course I

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went to Amazon, which is what we do nowadays, and

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everything was out of print, so you got what you

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could get, but I got their second album. Was listening

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to it, I was immediately they were like one of

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my favorite bands in the world on first play, and

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then I started digging for it and digging for it,

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and then I just became so intimately, I don't know,

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connected to it. It was just so awesome. And you know,

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Flip could be mistaken for a crazy ass frat boy

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party band. Fact, they have played the role of a

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crazy fret boy party band in a movie. And uh,

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as some you know, a lot of bands got that shot.

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You know, they'd be in some movies, some college kid movie.

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But and b Brynn won't cop to this, but if

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you sit down and listen to what they're talking about,

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Brenna is writing about, you know, how you feel and

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experiences and what the hell's going on in your head,

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and that really grabbed me. Brinnin has brinn this is

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your oh, shut aw shucks moment. But Brinna has a

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real knack with lyric writing and and and plays plays

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on words lines like did I read you write? You know,

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stuff like that, And sometimes I have to go back

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and listen again and say, wait, wait, did I hear

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what I thought I heard? And you say, oh wait

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a second Okay, So I was really deep into it

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and I've been out here in New Jersey like an

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evangelist for Flip ever since. Then, all of a sudden,

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I had finished my last book, which was one of

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my travel jungle stories, and I I was reading a

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lot of rock bios and I'm always looking for the

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next book, and I suddenly said, man, these I like

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these books, and this is a book that nobody's done.

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There's any number of Kiss books or Elton John books

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or Beatles Beatles books is a library of those. And

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I said, you know, it's got to be a couple

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thousand Flip fans who would really really like this, And

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I know what I'd like it to be. And Brin's

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heard me tell us too many times. But in our

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first conversation, the first phone conversation I had with Brann,

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we were part of the way through and he just said,

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if you don't mind me asking, why do you want

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to write this book? And I immediately said, because I

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want to read it.

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Speaker 3: I want to read it.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's like this deserves to be written, and

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if nobody's going to do it, I wanted to be

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right and I will do that.

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Speaker 3: So how do I get it? John?

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Speaker 6: Exactly? How do you get the book. Ah, well, yes

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it is for sale you first of all, for the

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world out. If you just Google flip with two p's

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thanks for having us, you'll be directed quickly to rock

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Steady and band camp, where it's for sale for twenty

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five roughly twenty five bucks plus shipping. That's it for now.

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It will make it available more widely event she will lee.

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But this was totally self published I did. The only

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thing I did not personally do is Brinn's brother, Kai,

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who was the second guitarist in the band for many

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years and who is a graphic artist of great renown

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out in La, volunteered to do the cover, and he

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did the cover, for which I'm tremendously grateful. Of course,

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I got all of the intellectual property, all the lyrics,

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and all the photos from the band, But everything else

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about this was done on my desktop and Microsoft Word

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every last bit. I did all the type setting, everything,

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and I had for several years before I was a teacher.

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I made my living basically in glorified typing pool in

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a big company, so I learned how to line edit

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and do all that stuff in format. And of course

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I'd done a bunch of my travel books already, and

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I would like to say if it doesn't self glorify

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me too much. If a real publisher gets their hand

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on this book, I think they'll probably say who is

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your editor? And I'll be able to say that was me, Oh,

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who was your type setter?

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Speaker 3: Me too.

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Speaker 6: I really really worked on the quality of it, and

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I think people will find it it's a nice product.

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But the feedback we've got so far from people is

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they say it's a really fun read. It takes them

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back to where they were. They really hear the voices

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of the group because of the way I wrote it.

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When Brin's quoted, they kind of hear him, and when

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Eric's quoted, they hear him. And that's what I'm digging

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the most is people say they just love in the experience.

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For me, it was a labor I love to write.

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Speaker 5: I just use the word to flip and intellectual in

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the same sentence.

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Speaker 3: But before you jumped on, Bryn, we were talking about documentaries.

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I mean, you know, take this book and just you know,

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you guys tell the side of the story in front

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of the cameras. I mean that would be another great

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thing to do too as well, you know, because I'm sure,

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hopefully you got some of that great footage from some

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of the early days and the shows. I mean there's

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so much history there and videos and you know it'd

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be cool and all the stunts, I mean that was

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you know, you're a guy that's got a lot of courage.

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I mean, there's not a lot the shyness thing never

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entered your body because I've read some of the crazy stint.

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It's that you pulled, you know, in New York and

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with the tour group, you know, finding your way in

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MTV and Cereal on the crowd. They're a cheap trick show.

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And you know the post office record release. I mean,

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this is fucking great man.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, you know, you know you cool.

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Speaker 6: You did your home Keith. You read the book. Well,

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it doesn't always happen.

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Speaker 3: I want to get the book. It's like, you know,

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it's all like one beautiful compilation to see it all.

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But you know that's how. I'm a music head, you know,

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and I'm sure bring your music. I know, is he

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is so well I am.

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Speaker 5: And at that time, at the beginning of Flip, I

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was reading a sib vicious book, a sex pistol book,

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a Malcolm McLaren book and a Johnny Rotten book kind

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of all at the same time, and they used all

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these things. Like basic that I thought were really interesting

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were the idea of taking a band like the Sex

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Pistols and to open up the ut like have them

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play in Texas where it would create a ruckus like

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our motto. You know, so many bands when they rehearse,

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they sit down after rehearsal with the proverbial beeer and go, hey,

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what if you know, what if we did this? What

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and we would actually is that you were there? I

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feel like the movie Tommy Boy. Yeah, you were there.

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You know. The next day we would actually start working

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on the what is And that's where you kind of

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get all that stuff and the whole team. Everybody pitched

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in to get these things done. Everybody. It wasn't a

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one man show. It wasn't you know. It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great it's a great story. I mean

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when you were talking about the book, we were talking

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about the No Monk book, which a vicious or the Yes, Yeah,

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it's as a musician, it's inspiring because you could see

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like what it was all about, you know, and you know,

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to create things for yourself. I mean, you know, because

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it's up to you to make it happen. I mean,

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you know, when you have a record deal, all it

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is is basically you've got a credit card that eventually

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you're gonna have to pay it back, so you can

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let that balance build up. But you know, you got

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to you got to do things on your own. And

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that's what was really inspiring about your story, how you

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went out and should happen for yourselves.

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Speaker 5: Well as a young person, when I would when the

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New York Dolls and Kiss and really the early seventies

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New York scene by and large, I always imagine these

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guys black Sabbath. Actually the early English groups included deep purple.

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When I would see their stage sets, I imagine them

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either building it in their rehearsal space, warehouse, garage, whatever

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it might be. And there's always been an element to that.

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And that was at a time Aerosmith's drum riser. The

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drum riser had fur on it. It was a noticeable thing.

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The production values back then were kind of such that

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these drum risers and different things people would put together

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like in their garages on a day.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 5: That was always really and still is quite frankly to

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this day, very appealing to me.

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Speaker 2: Well, you've always heard those stories about know, the early kiss,

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the levitating drum riser. There's people back there, you know,

474
00:25:04,519 --> 00:25:07,279
pulling on chains to make it go up, and you.

475
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,759
Speaker 5: Know, like and shims.

476
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know that that brings it back to

477
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,400
the whole kiss thing too, because it always comes back

478
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,240
to kiss. They did all themselves too, you know. It's like,

479
00:25:24,079 --> 00:25:26,440
and you guys really really built on that.

480
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would imagine Sean Delaney at some point had

481
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:35,240
screwdrivers and fucking duct tape in his hands and ship.

482
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,039
Oh yeah, and I've seen it. Was funny. Living in

483
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,400
New York and working with Bill a Coin, I got

484
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640
the chance to, like before they cleared out one of

485
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,640
the warehouses to go in there.

486
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

487
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 5: And I was stunned to see all this ship with

488
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:56,200
like Elmer's blue and glitter and duct tape, and I'm like,

489
00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,039
oh my god, this stuff looks like I might have

490
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,039
made it.

491
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 6: One of the things that one of the things that

492
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:08,319
happened in the process of all this. The book came out,

493
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,960
and then Brinn called me and he said, listen, we

494
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,359
might want to do a book signing in Minneapolis, and

495
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,839
I said, it's cool. I'll come out for that. And

496
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,799
then he called me a little while later and he said,

497
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,119
you know some of the other guys, because now the

498
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,799
drummer was in Florida and the bass players getting a moved.

499
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,279
I always said, the guys may come together so we

500
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,559
can all sign together. And I said, no, it sounds

501
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,160
very good. I'd love to see the guys again because

502
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,519
I'd met them all before the book even was a thing.

503
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,480
Be cool to meet them all now that we've done

504
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:37,920
all this FaceTime. And then he said, you know, we're

505
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,519
thinking of actually doing a set, well, play a set,

506
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,680
and I said, it's awesome. So we arranged for me

507
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,839
to get there in time to be there for their

508
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,359
first rehearsal in over a year in some recording studio

509
00:26:50,519 --> 00:26:54,480
in Minneapolis. And so I'm there with my favorite band

510
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,559
in the world. I'm there in the room, they're playing

511
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,359
some of my favorite music ever. And all this I

512
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,920
even got when they were done rehearsing. They even gave

513
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,559
me the shot to record myself singing freak with them,

514
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,640
just so I could have it as students a dream

515
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,960
come true. But at the end of it, we're all

516
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,599
sitting around. The guys are all very pleased. They're pleased

517
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:17,319
with rehearsal. They're frankly, it was really heartwarming. Each one

518
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:21,400
of them took a private moment somewhere during that week

519
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,599
to come up to me and say, you know, it's

520
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,640
really meant a lot to us if somebody came out

521
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:29,119
of nowhere and really cared and did this. But an

522
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,240
interesting moment with Brynn. He came up to me and

523
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,480
I don't think either one of us thought about it,

524
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,799
but we were talking about what you guys were just

525
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:40,799
saying about how Brynn with Flip has always been we'd

526
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,480
think of wouldn't it be cool if but Flip would

527
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,680
take the extra step of doing it. Wouldn't be cool

528
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,000
if there was a pillow fight? Ki, I get some pillows?

529
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,039
Would it be cool if we dropped cereal on the

530
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:55,279
travrom a helicopter, KI find the guy from General mills By.

531
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:57,000
Brynn walked up to me and he said, you know,

532
00:27:57,079 --> 00:28:00,599
it just occurred to me, you writing this book is

533
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,599
the same mentality somewhere I, as the author said, wouldn't

534
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,319
it be cool if I just tried to find a

535
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,920
way to contact Bren and do a book. And I

536
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,200
think in a very subtle way that we didn't realize

537
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,920
till the show was almost over. That was an emotional

538
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,200
connection that somebody, out of the blue said I'd like

539
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,680
to do this and I'll just find a way to

540
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,240
do it right right. And I don't say it to

541
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,400
praise myself. I'm talking about the connection we had was

542
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,319
partly like wow, it's like little rascals. Hey, let's build

543
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,160
a fire station and have you know, let's just do it.

544
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,720
And I think this was an example of hey, this

545
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:35,119
is something I want to do. We'll figure out a

546
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,559
way to do it. And it was just such a joyous,

547
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:42,200
fun experience and once in a lifetime it was really

548
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,359
really I always said to everybody else, they said, you

549
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,880
know where, how do you think this is going to go?

550
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,519
I say, look, if we break even, I'm happy. This

551
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,200
was like a this is a joy ride right.

552
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what.

553
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,799
Speaker 2: In the book it brought back some memories for me,

554
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,559
that stuff that I had forgotten about. And in the

555
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,160
nineties we had we had a caller ID at the house,

556
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,920
which not a lot of people had, and it likely

557
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,480
said it said it like it said the name out loud,

558
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,759
bobber like whatever. But all of a sudden I see

559
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,240
the caller idea and it says Brent Arens, Like, what

560
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,680
the fuck is how one?

561
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,079
Speaker 1: How does he know who I am?

562
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:22,559
Speaker 3: Too?

563
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,839
Speaker 2: How does he get my number? Then I realized, oh yeah,

564
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:30,000
I'm friends with Freaky and he's like, hey, you know

565
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,480
Anyboddy that can print a cereal box? And when I

566
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:35,440
was looking through the book, when I got to the

567
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,240
cereal box part, I'm like, oh my god, I forgot

568
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,079
about that, you know, and I can't find mine. I

569
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,839
have it somewhere, but but yeah, just kind of brings

570
00:29:44,839 --> 00:29:48,119
you back to, you know, like one of your favorite bands, Hey,

571
00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:49,759
how do we do this?

572
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,039
Speaker 3: And what a genius marketing idea? Right? You know it's

573
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,160
in a cereal box, but you know with the CDs

574
00:29:56,319 --> 00:29:58,519
and the way things were stocked, you know, stocked in

575
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,440
record stores to have its own space. I mean, you

576
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,440
know you're always thinking, I'm surprised that's some corporate uh

577
00:30:05,559 --> 00:30:08,319
you know an r. I mean, some corporate record label

578
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,920
didn't hire you just from marketing just for your ideas,

579
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,119
because it's genius.

580
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 5: Stuck really and you nailed it again, you're right, and

581
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,359
that totally happened.

582
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 6: It was strack it all in its own wrecks because

583
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,960
it couldn't fit in the record.

584
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 5: And it's only you know, cardboard stand up advertising, and.

585
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:32,079
Speaker 6: Who wouldn't want that?

586
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: You know? If I saw that in the record store,

587
00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:36,440
I would have discovered Flip before is he turned me

588
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,839
on to it. If I saw your band and those

589
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,319
visuals and heard those songs, I would have been in.

590
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,319
I would have been and so many people I know

591
00:30:43,359 --> 00:30:45,440
would have been in because you know, we love the

592
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,319
Dolls and Kiss and you know and punk rock and

593
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,839
the Ramones and Richard l all that stuff, and I

594
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,599
mean you and Chief Trick. You know, it's all intertwined

595
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,880
in this great package. Notice Flip And as I say,

596
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,119
my favorite saying is better late than pregnant. So I'm

597
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,799
glad I got to.

598
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,039
Speaker 6: And we're hoping to correct that. Man, We're hoping to

599
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,559
get the word out more people be checking it out

600
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:07,680
and saying, man, I like this, I like that, I

601
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,200
like this. Cool.

602
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

603
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 6: The kelest thing to me that could happen is for

604
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,759
somebody who's a Flip fan to get their hands on

605
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,960
this book. But they don't live in Minneapolis anymore, live

606
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640
in Seattle. They live in Austin and they have another

607
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,359
friend who's a musicologists and the guy says, what's that book?

608
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,799
He said, read it? And all of a sudden, the

609
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:29,480
guy's looking for the CDs and the downloads well base.

610
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,799
Speaker 3: You know, and you know he was like that, dude,

611
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,599
are you kidding me? You don't know this band?

612
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,559
Speaker 1: Like it was like, dude, I go into Sebastian Bach, vote.

613
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 6: You yo, but I think I've had in Goldwaite either one.

614
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean another guy that you mentioned was you

615
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,039
know I was telling you before I worked with David

616
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,319
Johansson for twenty over twenty four years now, and I mean,

617
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,400
this is a band that he would like. He doesn't

618
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,559
love a lot of rock and roll, but you know

619
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,079
he doesn't know flip is he will? But this is

620
00:32:01,119 --> 00:32:04,200
a band because you were mentioning the lyrics, how you know,

621
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,839
it's an infectious you know, there's a lot of great

622
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,359
melodies in there. But if you really dive in to

623
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,480
what he's saying with Bryn's saying, I mean, it says

624
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,720
something and that's you know, another beautiful thing about the band.

625
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:20,119
Speaker 6: I think one of the things that's really artful about

626
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Brin's lyrics is they're not too on the nose. You

627
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,200
can you listen to it and you say, oh, may

628
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,720
he's talking about talking about somebody talking about a situation.

629
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,400
But it's not those kind of very literal lyrics. I

630
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,200
went to the store and bought a thing, and then

631
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:36,680
a thing happened, and the thing happened. It's about what's

632
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,720
going on in people's heads and that allows you to

633
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,359
reflect on people you know and what the things you've

634
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,119
lived through, and then that makes that song yours right. Well,

635
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
there's a real high art. There's a real high art

636
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,119
to that. And yeah, from Heat Miser over here has

637
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,359
that and.

638
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: Look the and the one the one that sticks out

639
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,839
that I that I noticed in the book is from

640
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,920
I Wish I was a Planet, where he says swallowing stars,

641
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,079
What the hell does that mean?

642
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 6: But it works, Yes, it just sounds good, it plays good.

643
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,559
There's got to be some of that too.

644
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: Is there a new record in the works, Rien, Uh?

645
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,839
Speaker 5: I think so. I believe so the material is. I

646
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,039
think I believe I have the material.

647
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, perfect timing, you know, with the book and now

648
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,920
a new record and obviously you guys are back together.

649
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 5: I have spoken to John fields about it. He's up

650
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:43,559
for it. The truth of the matter is, for me,

651
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,079
I kind of need some form of management in places.

652
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,640
I'm sure you understand. And I have been talking to

653
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:55,720
a couple of different people that I really like. So

654
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,559
hopefully I'll get some help.

655
00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: Hopefully people we'll see this, and uh, you know I

656
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:03,359
want to help.

657
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm hoping people see it too.

658
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,639
Speaker 6: Yes, that's for your own selfish reasons. How could you

659
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:13,760
be so selfish?

660
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 3: Is he?

661
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 6: How could you use a podcast to promote yourself so flagrantly?

662
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 2: I would never do anything like that. And I know

663
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,880
Keith does have a hard out. He has to bounce

664
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,119
here really quick. I got got how long?

665
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:30,199
Speaker 1: Nine minutes?

666
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

667
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: Oh all right?

668
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: We want to keep it that long unless you wanted

669
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,320
to wrap it up is well, no, it's up to you.

670
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,440
An Elvis impersonation gig coming up or something, right.

671
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: No, no, No, An's Faily tribute gig this Saturday night,

672
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,519
Saturday Saturday. We have a Todd Howworth playing with us,

673
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,000
so we're going to do all the Frailey's combat stuff

674
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:51,079
with him, which is badass.

675
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,199
Speaker 3: He was in Jersey for a while.

676
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, whereabouts in Jersey are you, I'm.

677
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,639
Speaker 3: In Central Jersey. I'm in a you know, in your

678
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,559
Red Bank. Are you familiar with Red Bank?

679
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 5: But Central Jersey?

680
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: I get Yeah, we get offended when you call it

681
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,639
South Jersey, and you know, because it's uh people always

682
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:13,920
say once they go over the Driscoll Bridge at South Jersey,

683
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,519
We're not We're I'm about forty five to fifty minutes

684
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:17,679
out of the city, sort of.

685
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 6: Stone pony Ish area.

686
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little further north. I mean a little bit

687
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,519
north than that, but yeah, which is a It was

688
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,199
the best kept secret in the world. And sadly after

689
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,639
nine to eleven, I mean, well, you know, obviously a

690
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,039
lot of people came this way, and then after COVID,

691
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,519
I mean you know this, if you google our area,

692
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
it's just it's considered a suburb of New York City.

693
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 6: Now, well, Kevin Smith movies are all red Bank, right

694
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,519
down the street.

695
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,199
Speaker 3: Kevin is right down the street. And all those guys.

696
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 6: Facing Amy and all those clerks, that's all Red Bank.

697
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's all Red Bank.

698
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, except which was Eden Prairie, Yeah, Prairie.

699
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 6: He needed a skank your them all, so he had

700
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,440
to go to the west.

701
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 3: He just opened up a real big theater in Atlantic Islands,

702
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,239
which he's doing a lot of great stuff, you know, cool.

703
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,360
So it's a it's a well, you know, you're North Jersey, right,

704
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,239
so I am.

705
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:15,079
Speaker 6: I am up here in the north Marstown Marstown, Yes, yes,

706
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,280
historic Lawstown.

707
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: And they had the great studio.

708
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,559
Speaker 6: Marstown's awesome. I love it. I was a nature kid

709
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:23,480
and I got Woods five minutes this way, and I

710
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:25,519
got New York forty minutes that way, and it was

711
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,440
dreamed for me, perfut in.

712
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: New Jersey, right what I mean what I'm saying. You know,

713
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,719
it was such a cool thing where yeah, Jersey sucks,

714
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,000
but then you know, because we liked it right where

715
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,559
it was. But it was a great artist community where

716
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:39,719
you could afford to get apartments and you know a

717
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,639
lot of rehearsal spaces and people I like.

718
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,199
Speaker 5: After that, I've always liked New Jersey. Spent a lot

719
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,360
of time there. After I moved to New York City.

720
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,639
I was fortunate enough to meet Richie ran A Stars

721
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,679
and spend a lot of time with Ritchie.

722
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:56,679
Speaker 3: Great guy. I love Ritchie.

723
00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 5: That yeah, great guy. That Bergen County I believe he

724
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,159
lived in Yeah, yeah, just on the other side of

725
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:07,559
the river.

726
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, Britain.

727
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 2: How much how much of the merchandise stuff and the

728
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,519
and the marketing, how much of that did you learn

729
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:17,880
from just growing up on Kiss and how much of

730
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:18,440
it was Bill?

731
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 5: It was all us, none from Bill. What Bill brought

732
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:35,559
was yes, say yes to almost everything. Like when we

733
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:40,119
got kicked off of the Evanescence tour, for instance, I'm

734
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,159
in the back of the bus and Bill is on

735
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,480
the cell phone with the agent that we had to

736
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,559
sign with, who was Evaness's the agent to get the dour.

737
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,039
We did a pillow fight at the end of the show.

738
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,840
We had vacuums and leaf blowers and as you remember

739
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,039
is he were very studious about cleaning up after ourselves

740
00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:02,480
and said it was only clean on stage, there was

741
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:09,719
everywhere else. The road manager punched our road manager, Cole

742
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,000
cocked him in the back of the head. That was

743
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,679
as we were walking towards the bus after the show

744
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,760
and the crowd was going fucking ape shit right. We

745
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,480
went over to killing We killed totally killed it. We

746
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:27,440
were hot, and so later that night Bill was in

747
00:38:27,519 --> 00:38:29,599
the back of the bus and I'm sitting with him

748
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:32,039
in the lounge and he's talking to the agent, and

749
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,000
the first thing I hear is Bill say, well, you

750
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,800
said you wanted a rock and roll band open up

751
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,400
for him, and then hung up on the guy. And

752
00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:47,440
that's when I went, yeah, like the first time I

753
00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:50,320
ever played back in black, you know, on trump'sing guitar.

754
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,679
At the same time, was showing off to Bill in

755
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,599
a warehouse waiting for everybody to get there to rehearse.

756
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,239
My joke is that's what you come up with when

757
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,039
it's your turn to bring the beard or rehearsal and

758
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:04,239
nobody else shows up.

759
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:06,079
Speaker 3: That's what happens.

760
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,199
Speaker 2: Well, you talk about, you know, just being on fire

761
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,280
when you're you know, when you guys are playing. You know,

762
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,480
I heard so many stories about that tour you guys

763
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:20,199
did with Ever Clear and the Mayfield four. Oh like

764
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,559
beginning of the show, you guys were first on, there

765
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,760
was another band, then there's Mayfield four, and then.

766
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,519
Speaker 1: And then Never Clear.

767
00:39:28,639 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: But they would make you and Freaky stay in costume

768
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,599
until the very end to come back out because you

769
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:37,320
guys are going over so big, right.

770
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:43,639
Speaker 6: Yep, you road which your road crew hated because they

771
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,679
had to keep everything ready for you to do that

772
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,000
last five minutes.

773
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 5: I'd be remiss if I didn't finish my statement because

774
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,440
you had asked the question how much of it was

775
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:56,360
you guys and how much of it was Bill? A

776
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:02,280
coin because it's very you know, by proxy, Bill is

777
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,280
telling me to do all the things I'm doing I'm

778
00:40:05,679 --> 00:40:09,400
thinking of without having to say him because of what

779
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,519
I was influenced by earlier. So at that point, quite frankly,

780
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:19,079
it's a semi ethereal thinking. But I was already listening

781
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,800
to him tell me what to do. And I was

782
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,199
in the fifth grade. So when I came up with ideas,

783
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,679
they flowed with him and he just never said no.

784
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,800
So like once again the back in Black thing where

785
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,719
I did that while just him, he goes, do that tonight.

786
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,400
We played the first half and we got done, and

787
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:43,599
I did it and it went over huge, and he goes,

788
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
You're going to be doing that every night now. So

789
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:47,760
shit like that.

790
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: I mean, one question I wanted to ask you, Brnn,

791
00:40:52,119 --> 00:40:55,000
is you know I'm a huge Mcronson fan. You know

792
00:40:55,039 --> 00:40:56,559
I did get to meet him as a fan when

793
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,239
I was a kid, But what was it like working

794
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480
with him? And I also heard that you guys were

795
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:03,360
the first people actually work in Paisley Park in a

796
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,719
Prince's studio. So, I mean, that's like an incredible experience.

797
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,679
Speaker 5: It was a game changer for me because what happened

798
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,280
at that session was Mick Ronson and myself got along

799
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:20,760
like a house on fire. And at one point I

800
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,559
asked him why he was why he took the gig,

801
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,119
and he pointed at me and he says, you're the

802
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,960
best natural guitar player I've ever seen in my life. Wow,

803
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,000
and me yeah, And he introduced me. Then he got

804
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,719
us a show with I when the Hunter Ronson band

805
00:41:38,079 --> 00:41:41,400
Why Ui Orta album was touring and when he introduced

806
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,239
me to my hero ian Hunter. That's how he introduced me. Wow.

807
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:52,800
And when we got done making the record, Mick mixed it.

808
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,480
I wasn't even in the building at the time, and

809
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:01,480
you know, there was reports that people thought it was

810
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,519
a little heavy on my guitar and that I that

811
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,280
I was there when mix mixed it, and since he

812
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,559
and I got along so well, that I influenced the mix,

813
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,480
when in truth, I had absolutely nothing to do with

814
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,840
it whatsoever. It was kind of an interesting thing.

815
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: Uh.

816
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 5: He ruined meeting a lot of other rock stars for

817
00:42:22,599 --> 00:42:25,440
him because as you know, he was from Hall, he

818
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:30,199
was from a small industrial esque town and Assault of

819
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:37,880
the Earth individual. What an incredible experience, Uh fucking great?

820
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I met him. He was

821
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,559
playing with Ian and you know, I've got to know

822
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,639
Ian's another great guy who I've got to know throughout

823
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:48,800
the years. But I mean I think that was and

824
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,480
I met a lot of people, you know, from radio

825
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:52,199
and as a musician. I think the only time I

826
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,079
ever really got starstruck was around Mick Ronson, because you know,

827
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,840
this is the guy behind Hockey Dory and Ziggy starred

828
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
us and you know, everything he's done, even the Wildhearts,

829
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:04,119
And I was just such a fan, you know, and

830
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:07,239
I was like, it's Mick Ronson. You don't meet Mick Ronson.

831
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,480
And as you said, he couldn't have been the nicer guy.

832
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,880
But you know, to do that, and to do it

833
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,079
at Prince's studio, I mean, what was the vibe in

834
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,679
that place? I mean that must have been sick.

835
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 5: It was super cool. Yeah, we were the first, you know,

836
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,159
people to go in there and rent the studio, I guess.

837
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,519
And I'll tell you one story that was really funny.

838
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,239
My then manager at the time his name was herb

839
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,400
Guardians from the nineteen sixties, managed Buffy, Saint Marie, the

840
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:38,320
Young Rascals, a lot of the first cast members of

841
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,679
the first rung of Saturday Night Live, Ed Bagley, Junior,

842
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:52,079
Bill Cosby, and a plethora of other musical artists. Him,

843
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,360
myself and Mick Ronson were at the kitchen at Paisley

844
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,320
Park Studios and Prince walked in to meet Mick and

845
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,119
say how said go, and he said great, and he

846
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:05,760
introduced everybody and we shook hands with him except for

847
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,400
my manager, this very large, funniest guy I ever met

848
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,760
in my fucking life, very large, aging man with big

849
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,679
gray hair like you like you would picture a nineteen

850
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,960
sixties manager. And he's standing over his arms closed, and

851
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,400
Prince goes to shake his hand, and he goes, what

852
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:27,880
you don't recognize me? And Prince goes, should I? And

853
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,000
he goes under a cherry moon, I'm the guy who

854
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,920
bought it. Lego had only sold one copy and that Prince,

855
00:44:37,079 --> 00:44:39,480
and Prince should obviously know him, because if it only

856
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:41,679
sold one copy, wouldn't he know who it was that

857
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:47,320
bought it? I fucking walked I walked away. I walked away.

858
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:52,039
Really slow. I was probably sweating, I was probably red

859
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,519
in the face. And I'm walking back towards the control room,

860
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,599
mumbling to myself, we're done, it's over. And I hear

861
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,079
mixed Cuban heels coming behind me. Walked in the control

862
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,599
room and I turn around. I go, it's over, isn't it.

863
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,599
We're out of here, and he goes, I had to

864
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,519
leave so I wouldn't start fucking cracking up. Man, that

865
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:11,840
might have been the funniest thing I've ever seen in

866
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,719
my old bucket.

867
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: Well, so how does Prince respond to that?

868
00:45:18,639 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: I don't recall. I think it's fair to say I

869
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:23,880
immediately went into shock.

870
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you don't know what just happened. You probably

871
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,360
went over and over in your head for hours after that.

872
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,400
Speaker 5: I just went, this guy's balls are like that big.

873
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,280
There was no there was no reasons whatsoever. But this

874
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,239
is the kind of humor herb hat. He was very

875
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,960
cutting nineteen sixties, managing a lot of comedians, you know

876
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,079
in that area what's it called, what's the word I'm looking?

877
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:54,639
You know, Bleeker Street area, New York City in the

878
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,400
nineteen sixties of a kettle of fish, you know, the

879
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,719
bitter and when Ratlin Bones lived in New York City

880
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,039
and he managed us. We played all those places, Kenny's

881
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,519
cast Away, all of it. Loved it, fucking loved it,

882
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:19,599
China Club, Limelight, CB, GBS, a few times with Nightbob mixing.

883
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:24,039
Yeah yeah, New York City, man, Yeah, baby, it was

884
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:28,599
a great time, really fucking great, really fucking great.

885
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 3: Well it moved and moved over to the next borough now,

886
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,920
which is uh, you know, Brooklyn is doing something.

887
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,639
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, thank's going on there.

888
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: But New York City will make a comeback. And that's

889
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,920
what I loved about Minnesota too, because the first time

890
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,119
I was out there, it is like the mini Apple,

891
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,800
you know, I mean, it's it's a great town for music.

892
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,639
The people are awesome, and you know, I know first

893
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,559
first Avenue in Lake Elmo, those are.

894
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:57,639
Speaker 5: My Lake Elmo excellent and Lake Elmo.

895
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:02,039
Speaker 3: A friend of ours, you know, where we were crashed

896
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:05,199
out and first at what a beautiful city man, and

897
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,519
you know, and a great culture for music and art

898
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,440
and rock and roll and gone.

899
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 5: To the game.

900
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: What was it the gay eighties? What was that place?

901
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,679
Speaker 1: Nineties?

902
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, nineties, it was great, you know.

903
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 3: The sheriff Yeah, yeah, great, you know, great restaurants. It's

904
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:20,880
very cool man, and.

905
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:24,599
Speaker 5: Good couches to sleep on when John comes to town.

906
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,039
Speaker 6: By the way, I'm going to throw in something here

907
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:30,079
because you were talking, both of you were talking so

908
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:35,719
much about how really just essentially nice. Some of these

909
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,840
guys were mick ronson herb Gart and all that. And

910
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:44,639
one of my lasting feelings about this whole book experience was,

911
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,400
and I say so, in the last chapter, it really

912
00:47:48,559 --> 00:47:51,760
was apparent these are four men, the original lineup. The

913
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,079
four men really really like each other, and that just

914
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:03,039
came through with every contact. They liked each other back

915
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:05,840
in the day. They liked each other when they weren't playing,

916
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,960
they were still in touch. They like each other now

917
00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,119
it's there's a warmth and a fellow feeling and an

918
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,400
ease of interaction that is just contagious. So when I

919
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,599
entered that world, I was just so embraced by it.

920
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,800
And in the world of writing rock bios or Hollywood bios,

921
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,000
most of the juice comes from all that guy said

922
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:29,960
that guy's shit and the other guy said he's still

923
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:34,400
was crap, And there's literally none of that, And nobody

924
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,519
exercised one ounce of editorial control on me. But there

925
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,960
wasn't any need for it. These people got nothing to hide.

926
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,960
They love each other and it comes through and the

927
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,840
quality is there in those recordings. So the recordings speak

928
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,039
for themselves, even though I tried to speak for them

929
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,119
for two hundred and eighty pass But it was just

930
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,000
as a fan who knew a little something about how

931
00:48:57,039 --> 00:49:00,159
to write a book. It was a dream project, it

932
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,639
really was. And these are nice, nice people who like

933
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,960
what they do. And the subtitle of the book, the

934
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:09,840
Little Band that Almost Could, comes from the fact that

935
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,320
they had their setbacks, but they never really stopped trying

936
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,199
because this is what they do.

937
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 3: You know.

938
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 6: They had a shot at a big record contract in

939
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,559
the company folds. They had a shot at a record

940
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,239
contract and the vice president changes. They had a shot

941
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,000
at a contract and somebody sues the company for back royalties.

942
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:29,360
The company goes away, but they kept persisting because this

943
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:31,800
is just in their bloodstream. This is what they do,

944
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and they can count on each other. They all got

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each other's backs. And I'm telling you, if the day

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after tomorrow Britton calls these guys and says, hey, you

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want to do a thing, the answer is going to be, yeah,

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when should we show up?

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Speaker 5: We do have a couple of days coming up.

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Speaker 3: Good, what do you got caught up?

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Speaker 5: Got a hard set? Sure yet, but I have a

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lot of plays day Wallace before there.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I look forward to seeing you. You know,

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I can't wait to hear you know whatever you got

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going on to do record and you go, hopefully a

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film whatever the case may be. But uh, I think

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Izzy really for getting me into the band.

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Speaker 3: But I love the band.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's been great to meet at Keith.

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Speaker 7: I know you're on limited time, so we you know, Yeah,

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I'd like to pick yourself at some point with all

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you guys, but uh, you know, John Brenn, great, great

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seeing you guys. Great talking about flipp and uh keep

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on keeping on and Isy you demand.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's what I love to hear. On that note, we're

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say again where we can get the book Amazon?

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Speaker 6: Uh no, not Amazon, the Amazon. They'll they'll get it

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in band camp rock Steady. If they seek me Google

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Flip with two p's. Thanks for having us. They will

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get connected to it.

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Speaker 2: All right, John mc mit chalski, there we go, Brent

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awrens Keith Roth.

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Speaker 1: My name is Izzie Presley. Thanks for having us Thanks.

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Speaker 5: For having us love buddy, it's.

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Speaker 3: Be a part of it. Thank you so much.