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Speaker 3: Holdy, folks, welcome back to Operation GCD. Your host JJ
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Speaker 3: welcome back for a special swapcast here with Julia from
Speaker 3: Cosmic Peach how you do and Julia looking forward to
Speaker 3: the conversation me too.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining me for this conversation. It's
Speaker 4: something that I kind of hinted around about a couple
Speaker 4: of times the last few shows we did together. And
Speaker 4: You've been looking into this guy, and I've been looking
Speaker 4: into this guy, and I'm excited to get into the conversation.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna have to tell you first and foremost, ma'am,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you bringing this to my attention because I
Speaker 3: had never heard of Randy Kraft, and he fits right
Speaker 3: into the same framework I'm already mapping and looking into.
Speaker 3: So this is a great puzzle piece for me. So
Speaker 3: I definitely appreciated you looking for me.
Speaker 2: He's a very interesting character.
Speaker 4: Yes, he is a very interesting character. And do you
Speaker 4: feel like if Dave McGowan was still around, this guy
Speaker 4: would have ended up on his radar at some point,
Speaker 4: because I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: That's a good point because I was talking about something
Speaker 3: similar last night on my show on Operation GCD Sundays,
Speaker 3: talking about all these kind of this framework and network.
Speaker 3: We were kind of talking about offline where all these
Speaker 3: folks know each other and cross pass and in regards
Speaker 3: to Dave McGowan's where, yeah, I mean, I think he
Speaker 3: did the best he could with the amount of information
Speaker 3: he had. I said the same thing about John retired
Speaker 3: Detective John Cameron from Great Falls PD who did the
Speaker 3: seminal study into the serial killer. Most folks have probably
Speaker 3: never heard of Edward Wyn Edwards. Tuned in Operation GCD
Speaker 3: for more on that subject. But one thing I covered
Speaker 3: on that was he wrote, Edward, I'm sorry. Cameron wrote
Speaker 3: a book about Edwards, you know, eight seven and eight
Speaker 3: years ago, two different books. At the time, he did
Speaker 3: the best he could with the information he had, but
Speaker 3: now we think we have more information, So Edwards printed sorry.
Speaker 3: Cameron printed a marriage license for example, before Edward Wyn
Speaker 3: Edwards in November of nineteen fifty five and Idaho Falls,
Speaker 3: Idaho under the pseudonym that he had fake credentials for passports,
Speaker 3: driver's license, urity cards for name James Garfield, like the
Speaker 3: President in Langley, like the CIA headquarters. So I found
Speaker 3: another marriage license from the same date with the same
Speaker 3: names to the same lady with the same judges in
Speaker 3: the same stamp, under the name Edward Wayne Edwards. So
Speaker 3: what I'm saying here is it seems like the CIA
Speaker 3: may be Project Chaos like Eddie's friend Charles Manson was.
Speaker 3: Maybe they issued him some fake credentials because old ed
Speaker 3: there gets picked up for a Lover's Lane murder in Portland,
Speaker 3: Ogon in nineteen sixty after he does time in Deer
Speaker 3: Lodge Prison in nineteen sixty under the name James Garfield Langley,
Speaker 3: so he gets the same credentials reissued to him after
Speaker 3: he gets out of a state prison in Deer Lodge Prison,
Speaker 3: the same Deer Lodge prison that the Fellow and Zodiac
Speaker 3: killer at Lake Berry us It claimed to have escaped from,
Speaker 3: murdered a prison guard, stole a car and was driving
Speaker 3: to Mexico. Those are all details from edwyd whin evers life,
Speaker 3: but they didn't happen in nineteen sixty nine at the
Speaker 3: lake Bury s event. They had happened to add fifth
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty nine, but.
Speaker 4: It's still compelling enough to make you wonder.
Speaker 3: Right, who in who, what victim or who? Brian Hartnell
Speaker 3: has no reason to make any of that up. And
Speaker 3: it's in the Santa it's in the Senate. When not
Speaker 3: Santa Rosa. The NAPA County Sheriff's Department please report, which
Speaker 3: I went over on my show talking about.
Speaker 2: It, says dear Lodge prison.
Speaker 3: So Edward Wayne Edwards, whether or not he murdered the
Speaker 3: guard or not, is not known, but he was definitely
Speaker 3: in Dear Lodge prison in that riot in fifty nine.
Speaker 2: He definitely.
Speaker 3: When later, after getting picked up for he gets some reason,
Speaker 3: you know, he gets either gets paroled or he does escape.
Speaker 3: It's not exactly clear really, because again this man lives
Speaker 3: a very dubious and mysterious life. But he gets picked
Speaker 3: up in November of nineteen sixty under the name James
Speaker 3: Garfield Langley again right, arrested for a Lover's Lane murder,
Speaker 3: and he escapes to prison that night, goes on the run,
Speaker 3: becomes one of the most wanted men on the FBI's
Speaker 3: list and is picked up in Atlanta, Georgia in January
Speaker 3: of nineteen sixty two, so fourteen months later, so for
Speaker 3: thirteen and a half.
Speaker 2: So there being is.
Speaker 3: How would anyone know all those intimate details of an
Speaker 3: event that actually happened and never went unvers life and
Speaker 3: further substantiating John Cameron's claims, and I would agree he's
Speaker 3: correcting this that Ed was the guy in the hood
Speaker 3: that day at Barry Essa, and he was I viewed
Speaker 3: more of a like a Manson two Bill Menzer style guy,
Speaker 3: like out of Ultimate Evil.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, and again the reason why Bill Mentzer's named Manson
Speaker 3: two by Mary Terry's because he knew Charles Manson was
Speaker 3: part of that original scene. And Ed has known Charles
Speaker 3: Manson since nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 4: But you do believe that much like the Son of Sam,
Speaker 4: that there was probably multiple assailants that were running and
Speaker 4: ripping through as the Zoe teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these are definitely teams, just ma'am. And that's why
Speaker 3: I keep saying the man in the hood was Ed
Speaker 3: because he knew adds details of his life, right. And
Speaker 3: on top of that and the letters from the Zodiac,
Speaker 3: the Zodiac describes that he gets his rocks off killing folks.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I'll look up the exact quote, but let's paraphrase. Ed
Speaker 3: Ed Edwards gets busted for a nineteen eighty lovers Lane
Speaker 3: murder in Wisconsin. He gets busted in two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: and he gets busted when his daughter watches a true
Speaker 3: crime show on TV says, oh, wait that I know
Speaker 3: that town. I know that field where they found those bodies.
Speaker 3: In fact, my father took me to that field and
Speaker 3: we were living there and left the town that next day.
Speaker 3: So she calls the Wisconsin authorities and tells him that,
Speaker 3: then gives her DNA to compare against DNA left on
Speaker 3: the victims genes of the young female and the Lover's
Speaker 3: Lane murder. Right, and that young female had semen on
Speaker 3: her genes, not raped, no sexual assault, semen passed through
Speaker 3: the assailant's pants onto her, jens on her pants. So
Speaker 3: it seems Edward when Edwards did in fact get his
Speaker 3: rocks off strangling this young female.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: So the evidence I would say is mounting that that
Speaker 3: is ed is definitely involved in that team.
Speaker 4: Oh he has to be right.
Speaker 3: And again he and Charles Manson met they were twenty
Speaker 3: he won or twenty.
Speaker 2: I think Ed was nineteen and Charles was eighteen.
Speaker 3: And they met at the Chili Coothy Reformatory in April
Speaker 3: of nineteen fifty two, and they were there together for
Speaker 3: fifteen months.
Speaker 4: Okay, their besties.
Speaker 3: And Ed ed again that DNA came back on them
Speaker 3: jeans and eighty. He didn't get the death penalty, so
Speaker 3: he he then admitted to another lover's lane murder that
Speaker 3: occurred in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven, and in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven in Ohio there was no death penalty available
Speaker 3: for those crimes during that period. So then he admits
Speaker 3: to another murder in nineteen ninety six in Ohio, and
Speaker 3: there he gets the death penalty and he dies coincidentally,
Speaker 3: strangely enough, you know, a couple months before he was
Speaker 3: to be executed, but five days before John Cameron, the
Speaker 3: man he did the seminal studying to Ed Edwards, was
Speaker 3: supposed to come visit him. Oh shit, Yeah, so someone
Speaker 3: didn't want Ed talkin.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I.
Speaker 4: Was just gonna say that it's more likely they didn't
Speaker 4: want him saying a peep.
Speaker 3: And if you go if folks of you or folks
Speaker 3: of the interwebs, go on, go on and see these
Speaker 3: interviews that occurred in the spring of twenty eleven before
Speaker 3: ed dies. This regard twenty ten, I think it is
Speaker 3: thanks twenty ten. Yeah, because he gets arrested, he gets
Speaker 3: they come get they come get his DNA and by
Speaker 3: warrant in June of two thousand and nine. So I
Speaker 3: think he dies in April twenty ten. But nonetheless, you
Speaker 3: can go on there. He's he's faking to be an
Speaker 3: old man in a wheelchair on oxygen.
Speaker 2: That's all. That's all a ruse. That's all a ruse.
Speaker 2: He did have type two diabetes, but that was all
Speaker 2: a ruse.
Speaker 3: Like the guards of the prison in Ohio where he
Speaker 3: ends up dying said that they would wheel himack to
Speaker 3: his cell and he would just stand up out of
Speaker 3: his wheelchair and walk in.
Speaker 2: Fine.
Speaker 3: So this is this is the diabolical nature of Edward
Speaker 3: Winn Edwards.
Speaker 4: Well, John Wayne Gacy pulled a bunch of shit like
Speaker 4: that too. He'd say he was having heard attacks. He
Speaker 4: would say he couldn't, that he needed a wheelchair and
Speaker 4: all this stuff. Because he also, much like a lot
Speaker 4: of the program Killers, was trying to get out of
Speaker 4: his Was he on death row? He was, wasn't he?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He was? Yeah, they executed Gaysey.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna say, because there were a lot
Speaker 4: of times when he would fake a heart attack, he'd
Speaker 4: fake this, he'd faked that. He's one of these guys who, like,
Speaker 4: until I listened to that podcast, The Clown and the
Speaker 4: Candy Man, I didn't understand like how connected he really
Speaker 4: was because it just sometimes sounded like he was just
Speaker 4: making up lie stories, you know, he was looking into it,
Speaker 4: and it's like, maybe this is true.
Speaker 2: Well nanny was was he politically connected? And you know,
Speaker 2: and whatnot?
Speaker 3: And the JC stuff like he picks up one of
Speaker 3: his victims from the same bar that Jeffrey Dahmer got one.
Speaker 4: Of his victims, right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And there's connection between Gaycy and uh Patsky, Norman and
Speaker 3: wh All and that whole network stretches to Ace Brown
Speaker 3: there in Yonkers in New York in the son of
Speaker 3: the same situation.
Speaker 4: So this is like a huge web, right, And there's
Speaker 4: multiple different I would say, like Portland area, like Seattle, California, Chicago, Dallas, Texas,
Speaker 4: like there are like epicenters, and then there's like little
Speaker 4: spider webs that crawl out from those epicenters.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, for sure, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 3: Think of it this way, as any corporation does, they
Speaker 3: have regional and uh, you know, divisions and you know
Speaker 3: organizational structures throughout regions and whatnot. So you're describing various
Speaker 3: regions that may have regional headquarters in right, mm hmm,
Speaker 3: just like just like any corporation does, right, any corporate effort.
Speaker 3: This is a corporate effort. This is an organized bureaucratic
Speaker 3: spook operation, in my opinion, under matters of quote unquote
Speaker 3: national security every time.
Speaker 4: So would you say that Randy Craft fits this kind
Speaker 4: of blueprint?
Speaker 3: Not only does he fit this blueprint, he also I'm
Speaker 3: very interested in his epicenter of activity around the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty eight presidential campaign of R. F. Kennedy in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: of which Randy Craft was very involved, and of which
Speaker 3: Ruman Polanski and Sharon Tate were very involved in that
Speaker 3: same county campaign effort of the RFK nineteen sixty eight
Speaker 3: presidential campaign. So there's no way, there is no I
Speaker 3: don't have any pictures of approof. But there's no way
Speaker 3: these folks don't know each other, because he's got got
Speaker 3: accolades for that campaign, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: He got a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. Kennedy,
Speaker 4: Just like how John Wayne Gacy has a picture of
Speaker 4: himself with the first Lady, and just how Jeffrey Dahmer
Speaker 4: somehow was able to hook up a private tour of
Speaker 4: the White House when he was still in high school.
Speaker 4: This guy's getting a personal letter of thanks from Robert F.
Speaker 4: Kennedy for his campaigning efforts. Like, there's no way that's
Speaker 4: just innocent.
Speaker 2: Well, don't forget Ted Bundy. He was an assistant.
Speaker 4: Oh and Ted Bundy too, Yeah, to.
Speaker 3: The he was a driver, I believe to the Attorney General.
Speaker 3: I want to think at one point of the state
Speaker 3: of Washington.
Speaker 4: Yes, he and he dated some type of politician's daughter too, right, Well, he.
Speaker 3: Worked high up in that, in the R and C
Speaker 3: structure of the state of Washington. He definitely was involved
Speaker 3: in that and it was a rising star if you will.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hm.
Speaker 4: So I kind of want to get your opinion on something,
Speaker 4: because you know, there's a lot of podcasts out there
Speaker 4: that cover true crime stuff. But all they do is
Speaker 4: cover like the crime aspect of it and not so
Speaker 4: much like how it's connected, you know, like the truth
Speaker 4: about what serial killers really are. And I find it
Speaker 4: interesting that most of the programmed serial killers are the
Speaker 4: ones that get like the bitchin monikers like BTK, Zodiac,
Speaker 4: Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, Like, what are your thoughts
Speaker 4: on the moniker itself? Like this this is a tactic
Speaker 4: used to stir up fear.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, for sure, these are all Operation Gladio style campaigns,
Speaker 3: I would argue, And you're describing the marketing aspects.
Speaker 2: Of it, right, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: So like this guy, Randy Kraft. He becomes known as
Speaker 4: the Scorecard Killer, but he's also known as the California Strangler.
Speaker 4: I want to say, somebody else named him that, Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: Southern California Strangler, the freeway killer or the scorecard killer,
Speaker 4: and and I've been calling him the Government cheese killer
Speaker 4: because he's clearly government and his last name is Kraft,
Speaker 4: So that makes a good that's.
Speaker 3: A good nickname. I like your marketing campaign on that one.
Speaker 3: And if I made this real quick, I looked up
Speaker 3: the Bundy stuff. He was the driver to the Lieutenant
Speaker 3: governor of the state.
Speaker 4: Of oh Okay, Okay.
Speaker 3: And he was integral in the in the Nelson Rockefeller
Speaker 3: campaign in the nineteen sixty eight Nelson Rockefeller campaign for president,
Speaker 3: in the Seattle campaign.
Speaker 4: What, yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 2: That's Ted Bundy's political connection.
Speaker 3: So we see what I'm saying there is we see
Speaker 3: this repeating pattern, right, not only the marketing and creative nicknames.
Speaker 3: We see the repeating pattern these political connections. We see
Speaker 3: the repeating pattern I see with Craft name, with Bundy,
Speaker 3: with you know, with her oh, I don't know about
Speaker 3: with Craft, I don't remember, but definitely with Bundy and
Speaker 3: Ed Edwards and Charles Manson they have these are men
Speaker 3: without fathers mm hmm, you know, Richard Ramirez, you know,
Speaker 3: the list goes on with these characters. But I do
Speaker 3: think that is a repeating pattern of behavior inactivities I
Speaker 3: think should not be ignored.
Speaker 2: Now, what was uh, what was Craft's Well, I know
Speaker 2: he had a father, but was what was his relationship?
Speaker 2: You recall does his father worked in the aerospace industry? Right? Yes?
Speaker 4: So actually government cheese is weird because his struggles with
Speaker 4: his family were because of his sexuality. A lot like
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Dahmer, except I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's dad played
Speaker 4: a lot to do with helping jeff become who he was.
Speaker 4: In this case, he was kind of shunned by his
Speaker 4: family because he was gay and it was in the
Speaker 4: early sixties and that shit wasn't cool back then, I guess,
Speaker 4: or it was looked down upon. So he kind of
Speaker 4: had like a weird relationship with his parents.
Speaker 3: Right right, And his dad was in the aerospace industry,
Speaker 3: and I saw them before he got into politics. That
Speaker 3: he joined the ROTC there at Claremont College in Los Angeles,
Speaker 3: before later going and enlisting in the Air Force and
Speaker 3: then and then later getting out and then going back
Speaker 3: to Claremont. So this is he's got some odd in
Speaker 3: and outs and trajectories in life. And is again his
Speaker 3: associations in the nineteen sixty eight RFK campaign in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles is extremely questionable.
Speaker 4: So here let me get your thoughts on this. Craft
Speaker 4: enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was
Speaker 4: in support of the Vietnam War, and then later he
Speaker 4: joined the Air Force. But do you find that some
Speaker 4: of these psychopaths when they're put into programs as young
Speaker 4: adults or even teenagers that they could have been scouted
Speaker 4: out as potentially being like highly functioning sociopaths or highly
Speaker 4: functioning psychopaths, and they are kind of recruited in a
Speaker 4: way for future programs because of their innate psychopathy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's certainly
Speaker 3: that's a factor. I think some of this is multi generational.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, tell me about what you think about that.
Speaker 4: Do you think it's always generational or do you think
Speaker 4: am I back? Am I back?
Speaker 2: You're back? You're back.
Speaker 3: So I was saying, I think I think the rule
Speaker 3: is that it's multi generational. But the exception to that
Speaker 3: rule is when it's not multi generational. So there are
Speaker 3: examples of that, but the overwhelming pattern shows that it is.
Speaker 3: These are multi generational aspects that we don't quite understand.
Speaker 4: So would you say, because I think like Ted Bundy's
Speaker 4: stepdad was military, Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was some kind of
Speaker 4: like a scientist or something like that. Uh, Like you're
Speaker 4: saying it comes from like the dad's side of the family,
Speaker 4: or it could be random, or.
Speaker 2: It could be either one.
Speaker 3: It could be either one I mean, it could be
Speaker 3: Mom's at side, Dad's side. So I think, for example,
Speaker 3: so let's look at that. I think I was described
Speaker 3: to you there before the show here started, Julia. But
Speaker 3: the Zodiac victim and survivor Brian Hartnell Lake Berry, I say, who,
Speaker 3: I would argue at the one who stabbed a bunch
Speaker 3: of times at Edward's that is the man in the
Speaker 3: hood and.
Speaker 2: The magical you Beck you Beck, Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: So let's look at let's look at so I think,
Speaker 3: understanding all these crimes, you gotta understand only the criminology
Speaker 3: of the you know, the the the you know the aspects, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, environments, the families of the criminals.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: You gotta do the same thing with the victims, right,
Speaker 3: and you gotta you gotta understand that is why are
Speaker 3: they a victim?
Speaker 2: Is at random? I don't think it is.
Speaker 3: And again, if you start looking at it in a
Speaker 3: generational regard, it seems indicated.
Speaker 2: It's not so.
Speaker 3: Brian Hartnell gets stabbed a bunch of times by the
Speaker 3: guy and the seemingly thelemic magical ritual hood and what
Speaker 3: it seems like a ritual sacrifice around water, uh. Filmed
Speaker 3: in a snuff capacity by two men who sat on
Speaker 3: a boat thirty meters away from the victims and watched
Speaker 3: them screen for thirty minutes while one of the victims,
Speaker 3: Brian Hartnell, crawled to the road and his girlfriend, Cecilia Shepherd,
Speaker 3: would later die in the ambulance on the way to
Speaker 3: the hospital, but Brian Hartnell would survive despite the very
Speaker 3: tragic circumstances and a lot of stavings. So Brian Hartnell
Speaker 3: looking at him. His mother was a woman by the
Speaker 3: name Walker was the last name, and her father seems
Speaker 3: to have been the hereditary member of the Society to Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: the folks that started America and the secret society that is,
Speaker 3: and I would argue still very much runs it. And
Speaker 3: I would argue there's very much been a factional feud
Speaker 3: in that society since Aaron Burr murdered the President General
Speaker 3: of that society, Alexander Hamilton, in eighteen oh four. I
Speaker 3: called him the anti liberty faction. In the liberty faction,
Speaker 3: that would be Burr on the anti liberty faction representing
Speaker 3: the Crown and the Vatican. His backgrounds backers, and that's
Speaker 3: demonstrably proven. The things historians miss on that is, they
Speaker 3: don't claim that Aaron Burr started that coup until after
Speaker 3: he murdered Alexander Hamilton. And the reason that said is
Speaker 3: because no one wants to understand that Alexander ham the
Speaker 3: President General of the Society at the time. So and
Speaker 3: Aaron Burr was a fellow New York Chapter Society member.
Speaker 3: But this is a modern day knighthood. It's literally the
Speaker 3: new incarnation of the Knight's Templar. These folks forefathers were
Speaker 3: the Knights Templar, and these folks started America and the
Speaker 3: Secret Society formed by the original officers of Washington's Army
Speaker 3: in May of seventeen eighty three. America formed in September
Speaker 3: seventeen eighty three. So that's there's really not much dispute.
Speaker 3: So it gets passed down hereditary from the original members.
Speaker 3: Now when you get to a situation like Brian hart
Speaker 3: Hartnell's maternal grandfather Walker there, if he doesn't have any sons,
Speaker 3: and then it gets passed down through the daughter to
Speaker 3: the next available paternal lineage.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So, and if you go back in that lineage, Colonel Walker,
Speaker 3: the original member there, who the hereditary member appears been
Speaker 3: passed down to Brian Hartnell's maternal grandfather. The original member
Speaker 3: was a major figure in the society, personal friend of
Speaker 3: Washington and assistant to General von Steubens. So this is
Speaker 3: a very integral member within this power structure that the
Speaker 3: membership is getting passed down through. And I think that
Speaker 3: might play into a factor of some of these things.
Speaker 3: Because Brian Hartnell's grandfather died and I think it was
Speaker 3: November of nineteen sixty six, when he was seventeen years old.
Speaker 3: So it seems like young seventeen year old Brian Hartnell
Speaker 3: got himself hereditarily inducted into the secret Society that started
Speaker 3: America three two, just under three years before he gets
Speaker 3: stabbed a bunch of times.
Speaker 4: That is so crazy. That is so crazy, And go ahead, well,
Speaker 4: I was going to say, so it's like we could
Speaker 4: compare it kind of actually not kind of. We can
Speaker 4: compare it to like the Laurel Canyon of serial killers
Speaker 4: and victims, right, because if you look at the Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 4: like David Crosby and some of these assholes with Lutely,
Speaker 4: you know, they've got family members going all the way
Speaker 4: back like signers of the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 2: You know, well, on that note.
Speaker 3: On that note, let's look at the Manson family murders
Speaker 3: there in Benedict Canyon, of that same Laurel Canyon scene.
Speaker 2: Right from the sixties, you got Abigail Folger.
Speaker 3: To the Coffee Foundation, and if you go back to
Speaker 3: the Folgers, Peter Folger was the founder of Nantucket back
Speaker 3: in the late sixteen hundreds. He's Peter Folger's the grandfather
Speaker 3: of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's mother's the daughter of Peter
Speaker 3: Volder Maryland and Marilynd Monroe's father. Again, people want to
Speaker 3: dispute these things. I've looked pretty well into it to
Speaker 3: come to a conclusion here, because she does seem to
Speaker 3: have Monroe heritage through her mother's family, even though she
Speaker 3: would later choose the name Monroe as this monic as
Speaker 3: the pseudonym. Right, it seems to be that that might
Speaker 3: be why. But my point being is DNA has proven
Speaker 3: that she's a Gifford. Her father was a Gifford, Charles Gifford.
Speaker 3: Charles Gifford's mother was a Franklin. Sorry maternal grandmothers of Franklin.
Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe's sixth great grandfather was Benjamin Franklin, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: six sixth grade, n sixth grade.
Speaker 4: An knew it. You was gonna drop a freaking bomb
Speaker 4: like that. Look at this.
Speaker 3: So as a result of that, speaking of the Laurel
Speaker 3: Canyon seeming, we got Marilyn Monroe. You know who's the
Speaker 3: Church of Satan's dedicated the Bible's dedicated her in one
Speaker 3: of the parties, right, and she's she's cousins folds your
Speaker 3: cousins with Abigail Folger. And it gets worse than that
Speaker 3: because if you look at John Markham, the processed church
Speaker 3: attorney who plays a lot of things later in life,
Speaker 3: but notably in two thousand and two, he's helping Leslie
Speaker 3: van Hooton get out of prison, right, the Manson girl
Speaker 3: from the La Bianca mers right. And if you look
Speaker 3: at who takes over Jay Seabring, the victim at the
Speaker 3: Tate Polanski him and the Manson murders, the man who
Speaker 3: takes over his enterprise inherits it after his murder is
Speaker 3: a man by the name of Jim Markham. He is Markham,
Speaker 3: cousins with the processed church attorney John Markham.
Speaker 4: My god, right, So it's not just the killers, it's
Speaker 4: the victims too, and.
Speaker 3: It gets worse, it gets You're spot on, it gets.
Speaker 3: We're Sharon Tate's father, US Army and Intelligence Colonel Paul Tait.
Speaker 3: His second great grandfather was Lieutenant Jesse Tate from the
Speaker 3: Virginia chapter of the Society to Cincinnati. It seems like
Speaker 3: he was a hereditary member, right, and he had no sons.
Speaker 3: He had no sons, and Sharon Tate was pregnant with
Speaker 3: eight and a half months pregnant with her son, which
Speaker 3: would have been the hereditary member to receive membership from
Speaker 3: the Society from Paul Tate.
Speaker 4: So wild.
Speaker 3: So I think what we're looking at is what you're saying.
Speaker 3: These elite families, right, and these disputes that they have,
Speaker 3: and we were told the Penstance tale, if you will,
Speaker 3: If you know these parapolitical storylines, you guys deal with
Speaker 3: these factors and chew on us for a while when
Speaker 3: they're really just doing their secret society family bullshit feuds.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, do you believe JJ your personal opinion, are you
Speaker 4: scared of serial killers? Like, do you think that there
Speaker 4: are real, live, just random psychopaths out there that just
Speaker 4: want to fucking just murder people, or do you think
Speaker 4: that a lot of the hype and a lot of
Speaker 4: the sensationalism behind it is mostly programmed.
Speaker 2: You know. That's a great question, Julie. And in fact,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in anything, but I have met
Speaker 3: a couple of these characters. I know a few of
Speaker 3: what you're talking about. I would say they're all programs.
Speaker 4: You would say, Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now I'll give you I'll give you a great example,
Speaker 3: and I'll tie you back into the process in the
Speaker 3: RFK murder for you. So, I met a fellow back
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, face to face, about eighteen
Speaker 3: inches away through a thin layer of plexiglass, a cannibalistic,
Speaker 3: psychopathic kid diddling, homicidal, a serial killer by the name
Speaker 3: of Nathaniel bar jonah Right. He had attempted to murder
Speaker 3: eat in the race uh. He raped and attempted to
Speaker 3: murder and eating five young kids in Massachusetts. The judge
Speaker 3: that let him out was the same judge that let
Speaker 3: Teddy Kennedy walk in the Chapiquittic situation. He was the
Speaker 3: special prosecutor in that case. He was later a judge,
Speaker 3: but he was a special prosecutor in that case. Right
Speaker 3: so in chap Equittic, the victim in chap Equittic happened
Speaker 3: to be rfk's chief campaign staffer from the nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: eight presidential campaign, a woman that had a lot of details,
Speaker 3: a lot of details, and it just so happens old
Speaker 3: Teddy Kennedy six months prior to the art of the
Speaker 3: chap Equittic situation, happened to be meeting with the Cambridge
Speaker 3: mayor in the processed church, in the Cambridge location of
Speaker 3: the processed church.
Speaker 2: That's document.
Speaker 4: Fuck off.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 4: So what about what about? Like, so you met you've
Speaker 4: met this guy, right and you feel like he was
Speaker 4: grassroots or you feel like it was a generation I.
Speaker 3: Not only think that it was generational. I think he
Speaker 3: was a mind control assassin style. He was let loose
Speaker 3: from the Bridgewater Mental Hospital, the same Bridgewater Mental hospital
Speaker 3: that my former stalker and want to be pr Rep
Speaker 3: Buffalo Jared Riviza allegedly sits in today. He's another mind
Speaker 3: controlled guy went on multi state killing spree. He sits
Speaker 3: in the same mental state out statemental hospital that let
Speaker 3: Nathaniel bar Jonah loose to go.
Speaker 2: He told the judge.
Speaker 3: He told numerous psychiatrists in nineteen ninety one. Bar Jonah
Speaker 3: did before they let him out of this joint that
Speaker 3: he was going to murder, rape, murder and eat young children.
Speaker 3: He told the judge, that judge that now you're good, dude,
Speaker 3: you're good. The same guy to let Teddy Kennedy walk
Speaker 3: from the tap of quittic situation. And you know what
Speaker 3: Nathaniel bar Jonah did four weeks had to let him out.
Speaker 3: He kidnapped, attempted, he was in the process of raping
Speaker 3: and was going to murder and eat that young boy.
Speaker 2: And they caught him.
Speaker 3: They gave him probation, and they shipped him off to
Speaker 3: Great Falls, Montana, which has an identical profile if you're
Speaker 3: familiar with the Son of Sam and cold activity to
Speaker 3: the Son of Sam minor situation.
Speaker 4: Wow, do you think it's also a pattern because Randy
Speaker 4: Craft Government cheese killer, he thank you? He also fits
Speaker 4: the pattern of uh, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy in
Speaker 4: the way that he just keeps getting away with it
Speaker 4: like they will caught him multiple times, like pretty much
Speaker 4: in the act, and he still will either get a
Speaker 4: slap on the wrist or he'll get probation. Randy Craft
Speaker 4: got away with murdering young men and boys for a
Speaker 4: decade and got caught several times and got let right
Speaker 4: back out on the street. JJ.
Speaker 3: That can that's a pattern. No, that's you're spot on,
Speaker 3: that's a pattern. So Nathaniel bar Jonah in nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: seven in Massachusetts, there he got arrested. This is what
Speaker 3: put him in. They threw him in prison for twenty years.
Speaker 3: He got transferred to that mental institution, right, but he uh,
Speaker 3: he did fourteen years I think him there before they
Speaker 3: let him out.
Speaker 2: But he uh.
Speaker 3: In nineteen seventy seven, he's arrested raping. They catch him
Speaker 3: in the act of raping an eight year old boy
Speaker 3: in his car and there's another eight year old boy
Speaker 3: already that he already rapped half dead in the.
Speaker 4: Trunk, and he got probation for that.
Speaker 2: He got probation when he repeated that act in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 3: That same judge that they can let him off in
Speaker 3: ninety one and gave him probation to let him out
Speaker 3: of that mental institution. Is the same prosecutor like Teddy
Speaker 3: Candy walk on the chap aquotic situation, right, you know,
Speaker 3: decades prior, and the way I look at it is process.
Speaker 3: People are going to process. Mm hmmm, h you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 4: And you're you're you were in the military, right allegedly.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding you. Twenty I did twenty years in the
Speaker 2: Air Force, Military Police.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, So answer me this question too, right, because
Speaker 4: this is something that I find inconsistent with Randy Kraft's
Speaker 4: story because he, much like a lot of the Laurel
Speaker 4: Canyon cast of characters, was stationed at Edwards Air Force
Speaker 4: Base right in southern California. He quickly rose to the
Speaker 4: rank of Airmen first class and a supervisor manager, and
Speaker 4: he was in charge of pain test planes. Are you
Speaker 4: familiar with what that might have been?
Speaker 3: Well, you got a lot of Nazis there. So Edwards
Speaker 3: is part of Air Force Material Command. Air Force Material
Speaker 3: Command was largely set up by Project the Project paper
Speaker 3: Clip Nazis in the headquarters of which is at Ry
Speaker 3: Patterson Air Force Base, where they would later run all
Speaker 3: of their alien sy ops out of right, So there
Speaker 3: is that is an interesting detail in the matter. I
Speaker 3: would be I would also like to know the epicenter
Speaker 3: of activity with one specific cult So when Parsons dies
Speaker 3: in the whole Agape Lodger of the OTO in Pasadena
Speaker 3: kind of you know, splinters. He didn't actually found the
Speaker 3: Pasadena lodge. The founder of it was a different fellow,
Speaker 3: and that fella ran off with parsons actual wife. Hubbard
Speaker 3: ran off with parsons wife's girlfriend. They're all doing weird
Speaker 3: sexual stuff. So who knows.
Speaker 2: But this is just I legally.
Speaker 3: Documented relationships I'm discussing. But then there's Marjorie Cameron that's
Speaker 3: in the mix, right. She would go on to start
Speaker 3: a different cult in Riverside County, California, right outside of
Speaker 3: Edward's Air Force Base, right right near the administrative headquarters
Speaker 3: of Scientology, right near Cabazon, Indian.
Speaker 4: JJ.
Speaker 2: Right, So there's an.
Speaker 3: Episode of activity there right with all that, With all
Speaker 3: that stuff, they're like, that's not all happening independently and
Speaker 3: around the same location.
Speaker 4: Fuck No, especially not with like a bunch of the
Speaker 4: Laurel Kenyon crew coming up out of Edward's Air Force Base,
Speaker 4: you know, with their family and so and so. Keeping
Speaker 4: that in mind, what you just said, someone who is
Speaker 4: stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and there's supposed to
Speaker 4: be a supervisor manager of testing of excuse me, painting
Speaker 4: test planes. Would there ever be a time where they
Speaker 4: would have gotten trained on what to do with dead
Speaker 4: bodies and stuff?
Speaker 3: No, but I'm glad you bring that up, because clearly
Speaker 3: someone trained Edward when Edwards to be a highly skilled
Speaker 3: and very disciplined assassin, and.
Speaker 4: Someone with Randy Craft.
Speaker 3: Randy Craft, Yeah, Randy Craft, definitely your spot on me,
Speaker 3: and he definitely got some similar training for sure with
Speaker 3: the way he operates. It's it's evident, it's evident. Right again,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to see patterns amongst all these folks. And
Speaker 3: and what I would argue is that that that title
Speaker 3: that you described him as is likely just to cover
Speaker 3: cover cover, title cover.
Speaker 4: It has to be, right, it has to be because,
Speaker 4: like well I was gonna say when I describe a
Speaker 4: couple of these victims and what he did to them,
Speaker 4: I just don't Maybe I'm not a rocket science a
Speaker 4: scientist JJ.
Speaker 2: But neither was Jack Parsons. But look what he achieved.
Speaker 4: Well hear me out. I just don't know when the
Speaker 4: proper disposal of a dead body would come up in
Speaker 4: the painting test planes class, Like I are those two
Speaker 4: things they do do they Is that like an elective
Speaker 4: class you can take. I mean, like, what the fuck,
Speaker 4: how does he know this stuff?
Speaker 3: Well, I would say it's again something similar to the
Speaker 3: reason why Edward. When Edwards continually gets issued the same
Speaker 3: credentials and fake, fake IDs, passports and Social Security cards
Speaker 3: under the name doctor James Garfield Langley, even before he
Speaker 3: and after he gets out of state prison in Montana.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is we're dealing with similar programs of
Speaker 3: cover stories and cover ideas, and it's tough to discern
Speaker 3: the facts when we know that there's obvious subterfuge at hand.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Wait, I mean, so, I know you're gonna touch
Speaker 4: on Marjorie Cameron right quick, but I did want to say.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was just gonna point out that cult. No,
Speaker 2: that's all I was gonna point out.
Speaker 4: Was that cult oh oh outside of Edward's Air Force base. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: with the sex magic and the yep.
Speaker 3: Well, you were talking about the Laurel Canyon crowd. That's
Speaker 3: precisely who she's associated with. So part of her cult
Speaker 3: was Dean Stockwell, Kenneth Anger. This is the nineteen fifties, right,
Speaker 3: So this is before Laurel Canyon. Right, So you have
Speaker 3: that same predecessor crowd, the Laurel Canyon scene and the
Speaker 3: Manson family scene around this cult in Riverside County in
Speaker 3: the post Agape Lodge. So Brent branching the two errors
Speaker 3: right the forties, late thirties and forties to the sixties
Speaker 3: is branched with Marjorie Cameron, Kenneth Anger, Dean Stockwell, the
Speaker 3: actor I'm missing, oh, Dennis Hoppers involved in this, right
Speaker 3: m M.
Speaker 4: That is so so crazy and it has to be
Speaker 4: connected too because.
Speaker 2: Look at the name the children.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, a.
Speaker 2: Lot of connotations there, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I was gonna say, Randy Kraft, and I
Speaker 4: wanted to get your thoughts on this. He only served
Speaker 4: thirteen months and he was supposedly discharged on medical grounds
Speaker 4: because he told his supervisors that he was gay. Do
Speaker 4: you find that credible?
Speaker 3: Well, that would have been the disposition of that activity
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean if you told him that even when I
Speaker 3: first joined before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Speaker 3: on to SERRA two thousand and nine or ten, and yeah,
Speaker 3: have you said that, you would just immediately get it.
Speaker 2: You would get a general discharger. Yah, that's how they
Speaker 2: would do it.
Speaker 4: But do you find that it could be just like
Speaker 4: a likely cover to send him on his merry murdering way.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't
Speaker 2: think they're mutually exclusive. It could be both. It can
Speaker 2: me both.
Speaker 3: Let's take a quick note here before I take this
Speaker 3: on the screen. Note Julia and the repeating patterns we
Speaker 3: see here. So, while in Mexico, and this is the fifties,
Speaker 3: Marjorie Cameron began doing blood rituals in the hopes of
Speaker 3: communicating with Parsons. And then you'll see when she heard
Speaker 3: the unidentified flying object had allegedly been seen over Washington,
Speaker 3: DC Capitol Building, she considered a response to parsons death.
Speaker 3: So this is what I mean by these people are
Speaker 3: all doing Thelemit rituals, blood rituals, and they're also ancient
Speaker 3: Ilian cargo cults.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are. Oh my god. So maybe he was
Speaker 4: dismissed because he was gay. I actually think it's a cover.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's both right, it's a convenient way to shitcoat it
Speaker 3: because he is obviously an ardent homosexual and the Sado
Speaker 3: massachist of that.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And what makes it interesting to me is
Speaker 4: because Government Cheese was said to be a brilliant genius
Speaker 4: study had a high IQ. That's his name, man, that's that's.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 3: No, that's gonna be the title. I'm gonna put that
Speaker 3: in the title Mind Control Murders and Government Cheese.
Speaker 4: Yes. So he was said to have like the super
Speaker 4: high IQ. And after his time in the military, he
Speaker 4: immediately found employee with an aerospace program y and he
Speaker 4: worked for this aerospace firm for the majority of the
Speaker 4: time that he was ripping and running through dude's buttholes.
Speaker 4: So a lot of rip, a lot of ripping, a
Speaker 4: lot of running, but he keep he kept getting away
Speaker 4: with it, like he would be caught in the act
Speaker 4: JJ of some of the most debaucherous shit you can imagine,
Speaker 4: and they'd be like eh, and they would just let
Speaker 4: let him go or give him a probation or or
Speaker 4: nothing at all.
Speaker 3: Same thing we see with Ed Edwards as pal Charles Manson.
Speaker 3: The same thing we see with Ted Bundy when he
Speaker 3: escapes per goes to airports and gets an airline ticket
Speaker 3: under his name Ted.
Speaker 4: Bundy, Well, right, right, so okay.
Speaker 3: Nothing like excame prison, being wanted by the Feds and
Speaker 3: state police and being like, you know, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: get a book an airline ticket under.
Speaker 2: My own name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he knew just like I think government cheese.
Speaker 4: And actually Jeffrey Dahmer because that night that one little
Speaker 4: boy is sipped and the police returned to that victim
Speaker 4: right back up to his apartment and was just like,
Speaker 4: enjoy your butt sex and like left or whatever.
Speaker 2: Enjoy them rip some runs.
Speaker 3: So what you're putting out here, if I may, is
Speaker 3: you're pointing out a pattern of behavior here where this
Speaker 3: is repeating pattern behavior. They're always let out and stuff,
Speaker 3: and you'll see that and the reaction of these individuals
Speaker 3: when they are finally arrested, they are utterly shocked and
Speaker 3: in all because they've been allowed to operate with impunity murdering,
Speaker 3: ripping and running buttholes and stealing the shit and doing
Speaker 3: hood rat shit for so long. When they're finally busted,
Speaker 3: they don't understand it because they've been allowed to do
Speaker 3: these things under some sort of mission in operation.
Speaker 4: JJU stole the words right out of my mouth because
Speaker 4: when I tell you how Randy Kraft got caught, You're
Speaker 4: gonna shit your pants, and like, how how shocked he
Speaker 4: was that he even got caught, because every.
Speaker 2: Time, every time, every fucking time.
Speaker 4: So the first victim that he got caught with was
Speaker 4: a thirteen year old little boy. He found him, took
Speaker 4: him back to his apartment, gave him an overdose of drugs,
Speaker 4: raped him, beat him, and then he left for work.
Speaker 4: And somehow this little boy got out, made his way
Speaker 4: to an emergency room. He told the police where to
Speaker 4: go to the apartment. This little boy had to get
Speaker 4: his stomach pumped, he had to get all types of
Speaker 4: medical treatment. And the little boy was like, yes, this
Speaker 4: man drugged me and raped me and beat me, and
Speaker 4: there was no charges ever filed against him. That was
Speaker 4: his first victim, a thirteen year old boy.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, So that sounds all like Michael Locino in
Speaker 3: the Presidio incident, when a young a young female victim
Speaker 3: identified intimate details of the inside decorations and furniture of
Speaker 3: his home, let alone identifying him as Mikey in the
Speaker 3: base PX And yet no charges.
Speaker 4: Right, no charges, no, And and it keeps it keeps
Speaker 4: going like that. And what you'll find is he actually
Speaker 4: killed about seventy young men and boys over his ripping
Speaker 4: and running Butthole's career, and the majority of them were
Speaker 4: United States Marine Corps officers.
Speaker 2: I saw that, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's even operating on some of these barracks installations.
Speaker 3: Who's letting him on there?
Speaker 4: Who's not letting him? Thank you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was an MP in the Air Force for twenty years, ma'am.
Speaker 3: You ain't getting on a base unless you fucking know
Speaker 3: some shit and people.
Speaker 4: You have to have at least a cat card, some
Speaker 4: shit something.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, let me shure you. If you do some
Speaker 3: weird shit around some barracks, folks are going to call
Speaker 3: that in, you know what I mean. And you got
Speaker 3: to know some ship to people to make sure nothing happens,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean to have some top cover, if
Speaker 3: you will, right right.
Speaker 4: My ex husband worked out an Air Force base and
Speaker 4: it was hard to even let me get in because
Speaker 4: we would go to like the bowling alley and stuff sometimes, and.
Speaker 2: The security forces guys were dicks.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, they were so. I mean, I find it
Speaker 4: interesting that he was able to get to these Marine
Speaker 4: Corps officers so easily. He killed a bunch of Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems almost targeted, right, Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Yeah don't. I don't think that's an accident at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he could just be like I really
Speaker 3: like Marines, where someone could be like, this is who
Speaker 3: they're targeting.
Speaker 2: And again, and I'll look into it.
Speaker 3: I haven't gotten a chance to yet because I'm really
Speaker 3: interested in the victimology and who these victims are and
Speaker 3: where they come from. Obviously, because I'll give you another
Speaker 3: example here in the moment when we get back to
Speaker 3: some more tales of Laural Canyon with Leno la Bianca
Speaker 3: in his background, because that's fucking interesting relative to matters
Speaker 3: of Edwards Air Force Base and whatnot. But nonetheless, it
Speaker 3: is the victims. I think these are our targeted things.
Speaker 3: And again, when your tail with all these Marine Corps officers,
Speaker 3: you have to ask, what the fuck is really going
Speaker 3: on there?
Speaker 4: What do you think about this in relation to the
Speaker 4: information you brought up about the the uh what is
Speaker 4: it like a cult that was right outside of Edward's
Speaker 4: Air Force Base or it was what would you call it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know their exact location.
Speaker 3: I just know they were in Riverside, California, and the
Speaker 3: same location as Ewards Air Force Base, and the same
Speaker 3: locations is the administrative worldwide headquarters of the Scientologists.
Speaker 4: Well, what would you call it? Like a religious sect,
Speaker 4: a cult? Huh?
Speaker 3: I would call it an offshoot of Thelma. It was
Speaker 3: an offshoot of the Gopy Lodge of the Ato.
Speaker 4: Okay, because I meant I saw that it mentioned sex
Speaker 4: magic in there and like a bunch of weird stuff.
Speaker 4: So what do you think about Randy Kraft ritualizing his
Speaker 4: victim in like a specific way? What would what would
Speaker 4: you think about that?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3: And again this is this is an offshoot of the
Speaker 3: Yappe logist is Jack Parson's wife ex wife, you know,
Speaker 3: he his second wife there, Marjorie Cameron. So and you
Speaker 3: can see here even in writings from Gerald Yorke here
Speaker 3: from Wicked Folks, right, he's talking about the Lima stuff,
Speaker 3: because the Wicked stuff all, it's all Wicka is an
Speaker 3: offshoot of Thelema as well. And they all they all
Speaker 3: embrace Crowley. They're all talking about we love Carola. Here
Speaker 3: we go and speaking of embrace, embracing his THELEMI beliefs.
Speaker 3: So we see that over and over again.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: This is an offshoot. So we were talking about the
Speaker 3: sado masochistic uh rape and torture, especially of males. That
Speaker 3: is right out of Crowley. And I'll bring up a
Speaker 3: quote in the moment, but that you're spot on with
Speaker 3: this is Craft's activities are fucking thelemic as shit if
Speaker 3: you asked me so.
Speaker 4: For example, one of his signatures was that he would
Speaker 4: burn the victim's eyeballs out with the car cigarette lighter.
Speaker 4: He would bite their nipples off, he would shove ballpoint
Speaker 4: pins down their penis holes, and he would he would
Speaker 4: cut and he would literally right, but he would he
Speaker 4: would rape them obviously in the bee hole, and then
Speaker 4: he would cut their penis and ball bag off and
Speaker 4: then he would a sock up the bee hole. That's
Speaker 4: how he ended up getting caught. Is his signature was
Speaker 4: a sock up the bee hole.
Speaker 2: So what do you.
Speaker 4: What do you think about it? But I have heard them, well,
Speaker 4: what what do you think of it in regards to ritualism,
Speaker 4: because this is this goes beyond like, oh, this guy
Speaker 4: just like strangled some dudes and like threw him out
Speaker 4: on the side of the road. This is going to
Speaker 4: the next level of inhuman debauchery.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Julie, you're spot on, man. Look at the
Speaker 3: West Memphis three victims and the mutilation of those of
Speaker 3: their genitals. So and again we look back at the
Speaker 3: statements of Alistair Curley and these people who are adhere
Speaker 3: to them. And Alistair Curley believed there were three forms
Speaker 3: of sex magic autoerotic, heterosexual, and homosexual. He claimed that
Speaker 3: by performing specific so specific sexual rituals for different things
Speaker 3: is how I take it right. He claimed that by
Speaker 3: performing specific sexual rituals, including sato massochistic sex rituals on
Speaker 3: young boys, one could achieve financial gains and personal success. Further,
Speaker 3: for the mutilation in genitals, the sadomasochistic acts of burning
Speaker 3: things nipples and biten.
Speaker 2: Shit off and bhole socks of b holes.
Speaker 3: And whatnot, look no further than the motivations of the
Speaker 3: people that they of the religion they claim.
Speaker 4: Right, it has to be, because it's like, there are
Speaker 4: a lot of things that make me think that this
Speaker 4: is very similar to Ted Bundy and to Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 4: because Jeffrey Dahmer did a lot of weird stuff with
Speaker 4: the genitals. He did a lot of weird stuff about
Speaker 4: like hacking and slashing and eating and cannibalizing and like
Speaker 4: keeping parts for later. And you know Ted Bundy was
Speaker 4: a necrophile and he was doing a bunch of weird
Speaker 4: stuff like this, and it's like why, we're why. It's
Speaker 4: like they go beyond just killing the person. They're like
Speaker 4: shoving socks up bee holes, they're cutting penises and ball
Speaker 4: bag off, they're people's eyes out, Like what is this,
Speaker 4: j jas Well, it's.
Speaker 2: It's the whole hog effect as I explained it.
Speaker 3: Man, it's the it's the they're going to get the
Speaker 3: most utility out of out of the situation. So not
Speaker 3: only is it ritual human sacrifice following the seemingly the
Speaker 3: words of Curly they're and uh, not only is it
Speaker 3: probably hits in many of these instances, it's all also
Speaker 3: causes chaos and terror processed Church style and accordance with
Speaker 3: Eric Trist Tavistock's Social Turbulence paper from nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 3: which seems to indicate precisely the outline and framework of
Speaker 3: what the process does in trist In the process invaded
Speaker 3: America at the same time, and back to Laurel Canyon,
Speaker 3: Eric Trist the founder of Tavistock and writer of the
Speaker 3: Social Turbulence, the philosophy of causing chaos and terror on
Speaker 3: a society in which to mold it. Would then go
Speaker 3: to UCLA. His son would become the manager in music
Speaker 3: publishing company president of the Grateful Dead, And I would
Speaker 3: argue this goes in line with Bill Colby's folks and
Speaker 3: his machinations of Operation Gladio to achieve the same goals.
Speaker 3: And we look at folks like Michael Aquino, who was
Speaker 3: a Colby queer. That's what it's working title. All of
Speaker 3: Colby's people. I'm calling them Colby queer's not because of
Speaker 3: their sexual natures, even though that may be the case,
Speaker 3: but because they're strange and unusual. And we have a
Speaker 3: hard time explaining these matters in our day and age
Speaker 3: and relating to whatever the fuck's going on, because these
Speaker 3: people have made it intentionally strange and unusual and hard
Speaker 3: to explain. But if Dave McGowan was alive today, he
Speaker 3: claimed that Bill Colby brought Project Phoenix home and that
Speaker 3: was the Serial Killers. And if he was alive today,
Speaker 3: I think he would adapt the same thing that I'm
Speaker 3: saying right now and say that What they did was
Speaker 3: with that is built a Satanic framework what's called Satanic
Speaker 3: murder Ink. So in order to get folks to do
Speaker 3: hoodrat shit, you got to have a framework in which
Speaker 3: to recruit folks and operate within this network. So they
Speaker 3: built a Satanic Murder Inc. Network through these Satanic cults,
Speaker 3: beginning in nineteen sixty six with a colby queer Michael Aquina.
Speaker 3: Now he would argue that he doesn't join the Church
Speaker 3: of Satan until sometime between sixty seven and sixty nine,
Speaker 3: which I'm narrowing down and I've got five different dates
Speaker 3: as due claims he first meets Levey and then later
Speaker 3: joins the Church of Satan. What I'm saying is he's
Speaker 3: bullshitting on all of them. He was there from day one.
Speaker 3: Because this is much like the Mafia's murdering. This is
Speaker 3: Satanic murder Inc. And they're going to do their hood
Speaker 3: rat shit the same way, but they're going to use
Speaker 3: this framework of Satanism in which to accomplish it. And
Speaker 3: that's why we see in McGowan's program to kill folks
Speaker 3: like Richard Ramirez getting a one on one with Anton
Speaker 3: Levey and San Francisco before his terror campaign in Los.
Speaker 4: Angeles too much? That's too much, right, So what would
Speaker 4: you say about I wanted to kind of like touch
Speaker 4: on something you mentioned just now, what would you say
Speaker 4: about these guys are kind of mixing business with pleasure
Speaker 4: because they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy to
Speaker 4: some degree as well.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not mutually exclusive.
Speaker 3: So let's take a look at Edward Wyn Edwards I
Speaker 3: said he got picked up in Portland in nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: for lovers lane. I said he was probably most likely
Speaker 3: and a likely probability is the guy like Berrys and
Speaker 3: the Zodiac mask in September sixty nine. He He also
Speaker 3: is convicted of doing two different lovers lane murders, one
Speaker 3: in Wisconsin in eighty and one in Ohio in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy seven.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is it doesn't have to murder
Speaker 2: folks in lovers lanes. It's it's not.
Speaker 3: What you're saying is they're not mutually exclusive. They're not
Speaker 3: business and pleasure. He mixed both. So that's what that's
Speaker 3: what I mean by the whole hog effect, And it
Speaker 3: is a bit so. Not only is it the whole
Speaker 3: hog effect, economically speaking, ritually speaking, they're gonna achieve whatever
Speaker 3: they can personally speaking. So Ed didn't know his father.
Speaker 3: He was a product of a one night stand in
Speaker 3: the x seat of a car, and his mother went
Speaker 3: to prison immediately thereafter, and he had a lot of
Speaker 3: other issues with this. He was identified of being a
Speaker 3: psychopath at the age of thirteen, and the root of
Speaker 3: his psychopathy was this issue with his parents in this
Speaker 3: lover's land situation in.
Speaker 2: The back of a car.
Speaker 3: So, look how Ed achieves all of his murders in life,
Speaker 3: all overwhelming majority, it seems a lot of them. He
Speaker 3: targets his victims, but then targets them to do them
Speaker 3: in a chaos terror event and a ritualistic human sacrifice,
Speaker 3: but chooses to do that in a lover's lane because
Speaker 3: that seeks his that achieves his personal ends.
Speaker 2: Right, Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Yes? It does, it does. And that's what I kind
Speaker 4: of see with Randy Kraft because it's, like I said before,
Speaker 4: the level he goes to destroying the body and the raping,
Speaker 4: and like the shoven ballpoint pins up up the penis
Speaker 4: to then still cut the penis off. It's like it's
Speaker 4: too much, Okay.
Speaker 3: I like wh ma'am, because that's exactly how I read
Speaker 3: it when I looked into this too. It's the same shit.
Speaker 3: He really enjoys that right he has to.
Speaker 4: And you know, there was another instance where there was
Speaker 4: this guy, uh, what's his name? I think his name? Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's Keith Crotwell was the victim. And even though the
Speaker 4: police literally caught him in the act, he had taken
Speaker 4: this boy and drove around with him. And then the
Speaker 4: next day they found his body in a jetty close
Speaker 4: to where he was last seen and he had been decapitated.
Speaker 4: He had a sock in the bee hole, he had
Speaker 4: all the markers that he was brought in for questioning,
Speaker 4: and the Los Angeles District Attorney office said, nah, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's him, and let him go. And if
Speaker 4: they would have done their job, they would have prevented
Speaker 4: another like thirty to forty men and boys getting murdered.
Speaker 2: Was this big leosi.
Speaker 4: So it didn't list the name, it just said the
Speaker 4: Los Angeles District Attorney's Office at the time of the
Speaker 4: crime declined pressing charges against Craft, citing that the autopsy
Speaker 4: remains were inconclusive. Even though this little boy had been
Speaker 4: seen in Randy Craft's car by several witnesses, and Randy
Speaker 4: Craft himself had said that, yes, he had been driving
Speaker 4: around with him all night, and even though he had
Speaker 4: a sock in the booty hole and was decapitated and
Speaker 4: all this shit, the Los Angeles District Attorney's office did
Speaker 4: not want to press charges against him.
Speaker 2: And this was nineteenth one, this.
Speaker 4: Was nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 2: Oh well, Vincent Bigleyosi left in seventy two.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it must have been a different guy. Do
Speaker 4: you know who took excuse me, do you know who
Speaker 4: took over?
Speaker 2: I'm looking that up right now.
Speaker 3: I know Charles Manson's personal friend, Ira Reiner did not
Speaker 3: get elected until nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 4: So whoever this middleman was in between those two literally
Speaker 4: let Randy Kraft walk even though he had clearly decapitated
Speaker 4: in booty whole. SoC Yeah, another young man. Interesting and
Speaker 4: it's like he if they would have, if they would
Speaker 4: have pressed charges against him, because there was plenty of evidence,
Speaker 4: they would have saved at least thirty more boys from dying,
Speaker 4: but they didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep saying anything about nothing.
Speaker 3: Uh bar Jonah, I'm like you know that that processing
Speaker 3: and Judge you let Ted Kennedy walk as a special
Speaker 3: prosecutor and chapiquick if he didn't let Nathaniel bar Jona
Speaker 3: out for Lord Nathaniel barr jon had told the judge,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna he says, he says he's gonna kill, rape,
Speaker 3: murder and eat children. And the guys said, yeah, you're
Speaker 3: you know, well, you're joking, right, even though he'd already
Speaker 3: done that five times before, or attempted to murder, and
Speaker 3: he'd he'd raped young boys and found and you know
Speaker 3: again found one nearly murdered in his trunk.
Speaker 2: That's got him in the prison, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, he wasn't joking when he told the judge
Speaker 3: and judge, yeah, you're joking right. So had they not
Speaker 3: done that and had and then four weeks later, had
Speaker 3: they not give him probation when he reoffended you know,
Speaker 3: a ten year old Zachary Ramsey that was kidnapped and
Speaker 3: numerous eyewitnesses saw bar Jonah with him, an unregistered and
Speaker 3: non sex offender who was not reporting to his probation
Speaker 3: officers speaking of accountability, and numerous eye witnesses see him
Speaker 3: with him in nineteen ninety six. In December of ninety
Speaker 3: six and Great Falls, Montana, the town I look my
Speaker 3: first assigned in the Air Force in the town I
Speaker 3: lived in for three years. So I know, folks, I
Speaker 3: know all these stories from first hand accounts and whatnot,
Speaker 3: not just from reports on the interwebs and whatnot. And
Speaker 3: again I came face to face with Nathaniel bar Jona
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one. I saw pure eval And
Speaker 3: in two thousand he may have served me human meat
Speaker 3: burgers at the local heart is where he worked. But
Speaker 3: I argue that had anyone done anything, Zachary Rams and
Speaker 3: the other children would not have been rape, murdered and
Speaker 3: eaten by Nathaniel Barjona.
Speaker 4: Isn't that The saddest part is like how many victims
Speaker 4: could have been saved? But it was clearly an orchestrated
Speaker 4: attempt to get this guy back out on the street.
Speaker 3: I say the same thing, man, And they always claim
Speaker 3: matters of national security like a kino, like the finders
Speaker 3: and so on and so forth, of matters we've never
Speaker 3: even heard of, because they've deemed it matters of national security.
Speaker 4: Well, something else you might find interesting is that government
Speaker 4: Cheese kept a scorecard book, which is why he became
Speaker 4: known as the scorecard Killer. But he detail seventy victims
Speaker 4: on his scorecard that he murdered, raped, and put socks
Speaker 4: in their bee holes. And he also had photographs, not polaroids,
Speaker 4: photographs of all of his victims, and they couldn't find
Speaker 4: where he was getting his photographs developed. And at several
Speaker 4: of the crime scenes there were two sets of footprints
Speaker 4: in the sand or in the dirt nearby where the
Speaker 4: victim was found, alluding to the fact that he definitely
Speaker 4: had an accomplice. So very much like Sun of Sam,
Speaker 4: very much like Zodiac Government Cheese most likely had an accomplice,
Speaker 4: somebody who was developing these photos for him, somebody who
Speaker 4: was helping him dispose of bodies, probably somebody helping him
Speaker 4: with the murders and rapes as well, because you know,
Speaker 4: he was said to push his victims out of a
Speaker 4: moving vehicle going over fifty miles an hour down the freeway.
Speaker 2: So that was that move, that was his move.
Speaker 4: That, yeah, but it doesn't seem likely because some of
Speaker 4: these guys were like to over two hundred pounds and
Speaker 4: he's gonna what, open the door, push him out, close
Speaker 4: the door, all while driving all seeing him you know, it's.
Speaker 2: Just like, what if he drugged him first.
Speaker 4: You well, they were they were dead by the time
Speaker 4: he pushed him out.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, it's possible. I don't know. I just they ought.
Speaker 3: These sick fantasies are intriguing. So bar Jonah would would
Speaker 3: incapacitate his young child victims by he was a three
Speaker 3: hundred pound man. He would just start sitting and bouncing
Speaker 3: up and down their chest.
Speaker 4: Mmm.
Speaker 3: So everything you just described about the details of Brandy Kraft,
Speaker 3: his mode of operations, and profile all applied to Nathaniel
Speaker 3: bar Jones activities in Great Falls, Montana from nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: six to two thousand.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm finding that there are a lot of these
Speaker 4: guys that fit this exact mold, that are almost kind
Speaker 4: of like obscure in a way, because until I mentioned
Speaker 4: this guy to you, you had never heard about him.
Speaker 3: But until I mentioned Paniel bar Jonah to you, had
Speaker 3: you heard of him.
Speaker 4: I had never heard of him.
Speaker 3: And these are And that's what I'm saying. So we
Speaker 3: both are now presenting two different examples.
Speaker 2: We both have done a lot.
Speaker 3: What I'm getting at, Maname, is we've both done a
Speaker 3: lot of studying the mind control of SaaS as the
Speaker 3: serial killers and all these sick bastards were describing here,
Speaker 3: and we both now have presented two examples from both
Speaker 3: ends where we hadn't heard of these folks, right, but
Speaker 3: we're all seeing the same patterns still regardless. So then
Speaker 3: it also caused me to wonder how many more of
Speaker 3: these folks have we not identified the same patterns of
Speaker 3: in our't household names, like the you know, the ones
Speaker 3: we've already identified, or you know, like the scorecard killer
Speaker 3: who I'm I had never heard of, and you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna call him the Hardy's cannibal, whom you had.
Speaker 2: Never heard of?
Speaker 4: Right, we have government cheese and Hardy's cannaburg.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my bad yet government cheese.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it. They're they're two peas in.
Speaker 2: A pod and like, no, seriously, yeah.
Speaker 4: They have so much in common. And like with with
Speaker 4: government cheese, not only is he getting onto marine bases,
Speaker 4: he's getting onto like Al Toro Marine Air Air Base.
Speaker 4: He's getting onto like I could go on and on
Speaker 4: JJ there's literally he was just ripping and running through
Speaker 4: the Marine Corps. Nobody's nobody's no, nobody's noticing, like these
Speaker 4: guys are just turning up dead with socks and their
Speaker 4: be holes, and like nobody's put into and two together
Speaker 4: seventy dead bodies later.
Speaker 3: And didn't he dump some of them on some of
Speaker 3: these military installations, yes, yea, yeah, then that causes the
Speaker 3: jurisdictional situation where now the military police are not in
Speaker 3: orient too.
Speaker 4: Yes, And so like this whole time, as I said before,
Speaker 4: he's working for this aerospace firm, and every single time
Speaker 4: he is sent out on business quote unquote, it's to
Speaker 4: the it's to the Portland Seattle area. And when he
Speaker 4: goes on business quote unquote, five to ten more victims
Speaker 4: show up on the side of the road with socks
Speaker 4: and their bee holes and their penis and ball bags
Speaker 4: sliced off. And he literally raped, murdered, and dismembered young
Speaker 4: men and boys from California all the way to Portland,
Speaker 4: all the way to Seattle. And he did this, like
Speaker 4: I said, for for a decade and just nobody noticed.
Speaker 4: That seems unlikely as fuck to me.
Speaker 3: But I mean, let me let me give you two
Speaker 3: follow up points here real quick. So in regards to
Speaker 3: not only a government cheese and his dad, well, Nathaniel
Speaker 3: Barr Jones family lived. His father and mother lived in
Speaker 3: Great Falls, Montana, despite being from you know, near the
Speaker 3: Boston suburbs, massa jusets.
Speaker 2: They lived there because of the Air Force base. His
Speaker 2: father worked there.
Speaker 3: He was in the retired Air Force and in the
Speaker 3: aerospace industry much like government cheese and his father right. So,
Speaker 3: and on top of that, when we talk about the
Speaker 3: military investigators and police down there ignoring all these things,
Speaker 3: that ncis Naval Criminal Investigative Service for those marine installations,
Speaker 3: and the and the marine MPs on the base both
Speaker 3: ignoring these things. When we look at this circumstances compared
Speaker 3: to other again establishing patterns. I have seen the Air
Speaker 3: Force Office of Special Investigations report on the murder, well
Speaker 3: the quote unquote suicide of John Carr, to state that
Speaker 3: I know it exists, and I know they forwent any
Speaker 3: jurisdiction on the matter and allowed the local sheriff's department
Speaker 3: to investigate it despite being on proprietary jurisdiction on the
Speaker 3: Air Force base.
Speaker 4: Damn.
Speaker 2: So they wrote a report on it. But then they
Speaker 2: look the other way.
Speaker 4: Of course, they all that that's what they do. It's
Speaker 4: like their modus operandi. That's how they work.
Speaker 3: And since I told that story about the Air Air Force,
Speaker 3: and I don't want it because that's a very the
Speaker 3: whole son of sand community. That's a wild bunch. But
Speaker 3: I don't have a copy of the report. I went
Speaker 3: to grad school in Washington, d C. When I was
Speaker 3: at station there, and I went to grad school with
Speaker 3: an Air Force office with special special Investigations. They're they're
Speaker 3: one of their chief and listed people at their headquarters
Speaker 3: there in DC. He was my classmate for eighteen months,
Speaker 3: and he always wanted to be my friend. So he's
Speaker 3: always bring me in different reports. You know every week
Speaker 3: when we we we would come in for a weekly class,
Speaker 3: right you know, to get you know, like three at
Speaker 3: four hours every Thursday. It was a fucking hell of
Speaker 3: a schedule. Four hours ever, like every Thursday night, so
Speaker 3: from like six pm to ten pm.
Speaker 2: You know, it was shitty.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, uh, he would bring me in all these
Speaker 3: different reports over those eighteen you know, after about six
Speaker 3: months when I meet just tell me to go fuck
Speaker 3: off because the guy was a tool, you know, and
Speaker 3: I was I had I don't know anyway, you know,
Speaker 3: he wanted to be my friend, He's always bring me reports.
Speaker 3: So at one point in time, and I wasn't into
Speaker 3: any of the son of Sam, I wasn't into any
Speaker 3: of the shit. This is two thousand and eleven right
Speaker 3: twenty twelve, late t eleven to twenty twelve, that time period,
Speaker 3: you know. But one time he did bring me that report,
Speaker 3: and you know, I didn't even un grasp a lot
Speaker 3: of the details, and I remember a lot of the details.
Speaker 3: But what I said to him was why the fuck
Speaker 3: did they give up jurisdiction on this case? And he
Speaker 3: just shrugged his shoulders. That was me because again, it
Speaker 3: makes no sense to me right looking the other way
Speaker 3: in a matter like that. They have proprietary jurisdiction, meaning
Speaker 3: they can tell anyone else to go fuck off. They
Speaker 3: don't share jurisdiction with anybody that's on an Air Force,
Speaker 3: federal installation and federal property.
Speaker 4: I mean JJ. The thing to me too, is like
Speaker 4: they came up with this theory that government Cheese was
Speaker 4: putting the socks in the bee hole because he had
Speaker 4: military background, and he was doing that to prevent the
Speaker 4: body from purging before he could get it dumped at
Speaker 4: the dump site. And that was something that they would
Speaker 4: teach people in the military. They also found that most
Speaker 4: of the victims had tissue papers shoved down their throats
Speaker 4: and in their nostrils. But again, when would he have
Speaker 4: learned this when he only served for thirteen months and
Speaker 4: all he did was paint test planes? Like when does
Speaker 4: that come up in the in the painting class, like
Speaker 4: fucking putting socks and be holes and putting tissue paper
Speaker 4: down the throat and doing all that, Like when would
Speaker 4: that have come up? When would that have been a
Speaker 4: necessary skill to learn to paint a plane? Like am
Speaker 4: I retarded?
Speaker 3: Or like you know, I'm glad you picked up on that,
Speaker 3: because obviously he was trained in which to do that
Speaker 3: to avoid evidence being disseminated at locations when you're druyk
Speaker 3: transporting a dead body to a dump site. So Edward
Speaker 3: and Edwards didn't do the same stock buttole routine, but
Speaker 3: he was trained in similar activities. He has framed so
Speaker 3: many people from murder over the years. Every murder that
Speaker 3: ed committed, he would frame somebody for it. Everyone do
Speaker 3: so by planning evidence, everyone, and he's documented in it.
Speaker 3: He's he's documented in in uh In, in Narket, murdering
Speaker 3: folks and then informing to the police and the FBI
Speaker 3: on folks that he murdered, and then testifying against the
Speaker 3: folks that he set up on more than one occasion.
Speaker 3: Mother someone trained him out to do these things, plant
Speaker 3: the evidence. And really what he's doing is the same
Speaker 3: thing Mark Furman did in the OJ case, blowing up
Speaker 3: the case from every ankle on both sides, because what
Speaker 3: Ed's doing is causing such chaos and discord amongst so
Speaker 3: law enforcement. In large part, I think they're dumb. I
Speaker 3: think some of them are co opted. I think some
Speaker 3: of them are cult members. But in large part what
Speaker 3: most of them are just ignorant and or you know,
Speaker 3: buying into the magic shows that he will so that
Speaker 3: you know, when when you go into a scene that
Speaker 3: there's evidence planted, there's no other conclusion to reach. They
Speaker 3: reached the only seemingly reasonable conclusion they can, right. And
Speaker 3: I'll use a case you you know for what damn well,
Speaker 3: uh very well, and that is the John Benay Rams
Speaker 3: the case.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So that's a case where everyone they look at the evidence,
Speaker 3: and again, some of the people in Boulder co opted,
Speaker 3: some of them are cult members, and some of them
Speaker 3: are just dumb. But what I'm saying here is, uh,
Speaker 3: you look at that case and the only reasonable conclusion
Speaker 3: by a reasonable officer what in law enforcement they call
Speaker 3: it objectible objective reasonableness. And I think d understood that
Speaker 3: very well. And I think someone trained him because uh,
Speaker 3: and I'll get to Ed how he might relate to
Speaker 3: these matters in a moment, according to Detective John Cameron's
Speaker 3: study of the matter. Detective John Cameron's, by the way,
Speaker 3: is the man who brought Nathaniel barr jonat is justice.
Speaker 3: By the way, the guy that studied Ed Edwards. So
Speaker 3: he the guy's legitimate homicide detective. He makes you know,
Speaker 3: I don't subscribe to all of his theories on Ed.
Speaker 3: But what I think he's describing about Ed that he
Speaker 3: doesn't quite grasp is that Ed was the general in
Speaker 3: that handed death cult that henryly Lucas describes.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, all right, all right, I'm tracking with you.
Speaker 3: So what what John Cameron's identified is a mode of
Speaker 3: operations within that death cult of assassins that I think
Speaker 3: Ed was the leader of. And that way, when you
Speaker 3: look at all of what John Camer's put together on Ed,
Speaker 3: he's attributing so many crimeston well Ed is very prolific.
Speaker 3: I agree, he didn't do all those what John Camer's
Speaker 3: identified as a pattern of behavior and a mode of
Speaker 3: operations that Ed was in charge of. So in that regard,
Speaker 3: whether or not ED was directly involved with John, but
Speaker 3: or not, I don't know. But what you find is
Speaker 3: evidence in the John Binney case despite all of the
Speaker 3: objective actions of you know, the objective evidence that can
Speaker 3: be extrapolated from the scene, the only conclusion you could
Speaker 3: reach is how did this dead girl get into the
Speaker 3: basement of this home with a ransom letter next to her?
Speaker 3: And the parents knew nothing about it? So they were
Speaker 3: going to say, well, the parents did it, and that's
Speaker 3: been in dispute ever since. Mind you, that's not what
Speaker 3: the details say, is it. Though, that's not what the
Speaker 3: forensic details.
Speaker 2: Say, is it. No.
Speaker 4: Actually, I've spoken in great detail about the forensic evidence
Speaker 4: and it tells a completely different story.
Speaker 3: So they have just a real quick run down and
Speaker 3: I'll and I'll bring this ED connection to a quick
Speaker 3: John Camer's three on.
Speaker 2: Ed here and no quick resolution.
Speaker 3: So the forensic evidence was support the twine was not
Speaker 3: sourced from the home. The duct tape on her mouth
Speaker 3: was not source from the home. There was a stun
Speaker 3: gun mark on her neck, no stun gun on the home.
Speaker 3: And also there was DNA found on her underwear and
Speaker 3: her leggings, which they initially tried and blood, you're right,
Speaker 3: And they were trying to describe that as saying somebody
Speaker 3: in the manufacturing process left this DNA on there, and
Speaker 3: then they decided to compare it to the DNA on
Speaker 3: the leggings and say these leggings and the under were
Speaker 3: manufactured in different locations. There's no way that's possible. So
Speaker 3: that being said, somebody seems to plant in blood and
Speaker 3: DNA on that young girl. And I don't think it
Speaker 3: was the purpose and the DNA that in my opinion
Speaker 3: and the opinion of John Cameron, I think he makes
Speaker 3: a good point. The evidence that that would lead to
Speaker 3: would not be ed edwards despite he may have in
Speaker 3: fact been that secret Santa Claus that John Benny was
Speaker 3: talking about that she was going to see on Christmas night.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, I did find that David McGowan did areat job
Speaker 4: kind of seeing what you're saying in program to Kill
Speaker 4: about John Benney. There I believe that there was a
Speaker 4: lot of eyes wide shuddering going on around John Bennet, Yeah, so, and.
Speaker 3: I and and uh, I agree with you know, they've
Speaker 3: released four pages of the eighteen page grand jury investigation.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know about ten years ago, and it
Speaker 3: says right there in the grand jury that the Ramsays
Speaker 3: were not guilty of murder. They were guilty of obstruction
Speaker 3: of justice and covering up the scene and their daughter's
Speaker 3: death and introducing her and negligence introducing her to an
Speaker 3: environment which she could she would then face these.
Speaker 4: Services, right. That's why that's that's where the eyes wide
Speaker 4: shuttering comes in, because I think they helped.
Speaker 2: Whatever they helped, I think they helped the cover up.
Speaker 2: I think they called in the heavy hitters if you
Speaker 2: willed to do the job.
Speaker 3: So John Benney told everybody for two days prior to
Speaker 3: a murder that this Sam was coming to visit her,
Speaker 3: three days prior to murder that Sam was coming to visit. Well,
Speaker 3: from the twenty third to twenty fourth, and all of
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth. Night of the twenty third through the
Speaker 3: night of the twenty fifth, she tells her mother and
Speaker 3: numerous people that Satna is going to come visitor on
Speaker 3: Christmas Night, not Christmas Eve, right, So that that begins
Speaker 3: on the twenty third during a Christmas party. It happens
Speaker 3: after the Christmas party at the Ramsey House in the
Speaker 3: twenty third, the same Christmas party, someone calls nine to
Speaker 3: one one.
Speaker 4: Right, I was gonna say, nobody knows about that.
Speaker 3: So John Cameron presents interesting theory that would have been
Speaker 3: Ed who would have infiltrated to the family through the
Speaker 3: church or this cult, these eyes wide shut things which
Speaker 3: probably actually operated through that Evangelical church. In my opinion,
Speaker 3: it's a different story altogether. But Ed would have been
Speaker 3: and this is how we integrate himself many times faking
Speaker 3: to be a psychiatrist, a law enforcement officer, or a
Speaker 3: church member.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: So he would do all these things to integrate himself
Speaker 3: intolks life, to frame folks for murder and et cetera,
Speaker 3: and accomplish these tasks. So Cameron presents that he was
Speaker 3: the one at that Christmas party the call nine one,
Speaker 3: the test response of Boulder PD. And then he was
Speaker 3: the fat guy with a white beard who told John
Speaker 3: Benay that he was Santa Claus Coue see her on
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth, and then in fact, the evidence planted
Speaker 3: in that DNA and blood was not gonna be eds
Speaker 3: and edsm that would have been a different person would
Speaker 3: have connected to a different murder. So he murdered a
Speaker 3: guy in Ohio just a few months prior, and it's
Speaker 3: very likely that's the one he admitted to and got
Speaker 3: the death penalty. Four in two thousand and nine, the
Speaker 3: murder of a man that he adopted forced to go
Speaker 3: into the army, and he adopted a nineteen year old man,
Speaker 3: convinced them to go in the army, convinced them to
Speaker 3: go a Walt murdered him for the two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars insurance policy, hid his body until after
Speaker 3: John Benet's murder, and it seems like what he was
Speaker 3: trying to do in the FBI and game. This maybe
Speaker 3: why we've never heard about the DNA evidence in that case,
Speaker 3: because the DNA evidence led to Danny Boy Edwards, and
Speaker 3: then that opens up the can of worms on ed.
Speaker 4: Day.
Speaker 3: That's John Cameron's theory, and I think he makes a
Speaker 3: strong argument because they've never wanted to mention the actual
Speaker 3: evidence of that DNA and I suspect like John Cameron
Speaker 3: says that dead evidence would have been Danny Boy Edward's
Speaker 3: blood in DNA, and ed would have the dead adopted
Speaker 3: son he just killed and made it go a ball
Speaker 3: for the insurance check and the one he would later
Speaker 3: get the tath penalty for. So we know, I mean,
Speaker 3: we know all the details of that murdering. Folks can
Speaker 3: go on YouTube and watch Old ed in prison describe
Speaker 3: the details of how he planned, plotted, and did all
Speaker 3: these things. He moved to a town in Ohio and
Speaker 3: did this from day one, plotting out this whole situation
Speaker 3: for two years. This is how diabolical he was. He
Speaker 3: would rent, he would charter air private aircrafts. We fly
Speaker 3: all around America. This dude never stopped murdering. But I
Speaker 3: think he never stopped organizing murdering through this hand of
Speaker 3: death cult network that I think.
Speaker 2: He was the general of WHOA Yeah.
Speaker 3: And you know how there was always a question with
Speaker 3: a ransom note in the Ramsey case. How did they
Speaker 3: know John Ramsey's exact bonus and that ransom note? And
Speaker 3: why would you leave a ransom note for a kidnapping
Speaker 3: next to a dead body? Right, because again this confuses everybody, Right,
Speaker 3: This is ads, and no one's gonna have any idea
Speaker 3: what's going on when you put a dead body in
Speaker 3: a basement with a ransom note, right, that's going to
Speaker 3: confuse everything. You're exactly You're only going to look at
Speaker 3: the parents because that's the only logical conclusion any objectively
Speaker 3: reasonable party could make, despite yet what the evidence says, right,
Speaker 3: because then how else would anyone get in the house.
Speaker 3: There's so many other questions. What I'm saying here is
Speaker 3: these were all Ed diabolically planned. All of his merged
Speaker 3: for a long period time. But the knowledge of that
Speaker 3: that bonus well Ed's sun worked for the Denver office
Speaker 3: of Lockheed Martin, the same Lockeed Martin that purchased John
Speaker 3: Ramsey's business in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 2: Axis grets.
Speaker 3: Wow, So Ed could have worked I'm saying his son
Speaker 3: was complaicit. I'm saying Ed could have worked the same
Speaker 3: way Ed worked in life through his son to get
Speaker 3: that information.
Speaker 4: This is a total new uh theory. I guess if
Speaker 4: you will for me, because I obviously have covered John
Speaker 4: Bennet at nauseum and I never could like put a
Speaker 4: name to the person who was probably responsible for it.
Speaker 4: But I always said it had to be some eyes
Speaker 4: wide shuddering going on, for sure, and the parents were
Speaker 4: complacent in the cover up for sure.
Speaker 3: Well, and I'm gonna get too far off Kraft, but let's
Speaker 3: just do a quick comparison. So Manson too, Bill Mentzer cocaine,
Speaker 3: Bob's buddy from the roy raid and murder who got
Speaker 3: indicted with the head of the Median cartel in America,
Speaker 3: Karen Greenberger. No one talks about that. You know, they
Speaker 3: were all indicted together. Bob was on a dineda co conspirator.
Speaker 3: He pled the fifth thanks to Robert Shapiro, OJ's attorney. Anyhow,
Speaker 3: if you look at that whole situation regarding you know, however,
Speaker 3: how how Bill Metzer's story breaks down. According to burk Witz,
Speaker 3: He's brought in as the heavy hitter Manson two, an
Speaker 3: ultimate evil, to take care of the snuff film and
Speaker 3: Stacey Moskowitz, I argue ad served the same purpose coming
Speaker 3: in for the Zodiac and that snuff film. So if
Speaker 3: we look at all these heavy hitters kind of operating
Speaker 3: under this hand of death style kind of operation that
Speaker 3: I ed was in charge of, you know, when we
Speaker 3: start seeing this pattern operations, these eyes wide shut parties
Speaker 3: or these cult cells in different cities call in the
Speaker 3: heavy hitters when they want to get something done. And
Speaker 3: Ed was never according to Ed's chiltern, he was never
Speaker 3: home on Christmas throughout his entire life, right, and when
Speaker 3: did John Benada on Christmas? So Ed was known for
Speaker 3: the Christmas which.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Day sif you weren't eyes white shut sell of these colts, right,
Speaker 3: if you were an ice white shut sell of these
Speaker 3: colts and you wanted to call on your Christmas heavy hitter,
Speaker 3: that is Ed. And Ed's got his whole situations seemingly
Speaker 3: all over the business.
Speaker 4: So I guess now I have a name then, for
Speaker 4: this anomalous person that I keep referring to in all
Speaker 4: my John Benay episodes. I knew it had to be
Speaker 4: someone and it obviously the parents were complicit in the
Speaker 4: cover up, but I, until this moment, didn't have that name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let me share with you in the Cosmic
Speaker 3: Peach audience a little bit more on Edward when Edwards
Speaker 3: where they can check out some more stuff on Operation
Speaker 3: GCD for further But when I say he knew Charles
Speaker 3: Manson and fifty two, when I say that he operated
Speaker 3: in a very similar project Chaos CIA situation. By AD's
Speaker 3: owne admission, he gets the identity of James Garfield Langley
Speaker 3: in November of nineteen fifty.
Speaker 2: Five in Key West, Florida.
Speaker 3: So I said, what's going on in November of nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty five in Key West, Florida. Well, it just so
Speaker 3: happens the CIA is plotting the overthrow of the Batista regime.
Speaker 3: And there's photographs literally with Fidel Castro there at the
Speaker 3: same time in Key West with the CIA in November
Speaker 3: of nineteen fifty five. So and again Ed gets that fake,
Speaker 3: that same James Garfield ID after he goes to prison
Speaker 3: in Deer Lodge, Montana and then later gets picked up
Speaker 3: under that ID. And he also gets married under that
Speaker 3: ID in nineteen fifty five. And I have two different
Speaker 3: births or two different marriage licenses here for that activity.
Speaker 2: So that's is Edward Wayne Edwards one.
Speaker 3: And that's a recent discovery by me, and John Cameron
Speaker 3: printed this in his book. So I don't think what
Speaker 3: I'm saying is, you know, ten years ago when John
Speaker 3: Cameron did his study, he didn't have access to some.
Speaker 2: Shit that got released recently.
Speaker 3: So but we can prove here that once again, John,
Speaker 3: that Edward Winn Edwards is getting this fake, seemingly CIA
Speaker 3: cover name and credentials time after time, getting picked up
Speaker 3: and released and escaping places folks looking the other way.
Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, you know, it seems like we're
Speaker 3: looking at a circumstance here regarding characters such as Charles
Speaker 3: Manson and every remembers in this whole kind of handed
Speaker 3: death thing that seems very much orchestrated by some matters
Speaker 3: of national security, if you will.
Speaker 4: M hm, Well, I actually don't have too much more
Speaker 4: to add about Government Cheese. I did want to tell.
Speaker 2: You how he got I keep forgetting his name's Government Cheese.
Speaker 2: I love that name too. I want to tell you.
Speaker 4: How he got caught. And I actually want to go
Speaker 4: over some other killers that I came across that were
Speaker 4: functioning during this same time that I think you might
Speaker 4: find interesting, that are in connection maybe with Randy Well.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely gonna find them interesting because I think they
Speaker 2: probably all work for.
Speaker 4: Ed right, That's why I that's what made me think
Speaker 4: of it. I think that this is part that Government
Speaker 4: Cheese himself could have been part of this cult. But
Speaker 4: he didn't get caught.
Speaker 2: I don't see how he's not looking at his profile.
Speaker 2: I don't see how he.
Speaker 4: Fished the same he's.
Speaker 2: Socking the butthole and everything, right, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: What I mean by that is what I mean by
Speaker 3: that is he's not leaving evidence anywhere. I think he's
Speaker 3: the first guy I've heard of the sock in the
Speaker 3: butthole routine. But what I'm saying is he's not leaving
Speaker 3: any evidence. He someone trained him to do that.
Speaker 4: Somebody had to have And it's like you said, they
Speaker 4: almost get shocked when they're caught because they've been doing
Speaker 4: it so long. So he started in what was it
Speaker 4: what I say, in the sixties, right, he started in Okay,
Speaker 4: he started in nineteen seventy two, and he wasn't caught
Speaker 4: until nineteen eighty three. And the only reason he was
Speaker 4: caught is because he was observed swerving in his vehicle
Speaker 4: down a freeway and he was pulled over and he
Speaker 4: was made to do a sobriety test, and he failled
Speaker 4: a sobriety test, and the officer went to search his
Speaker 4: vehicle and noticed that there was a man who he
Speaker 4: thought was passed out in the passenger seat with a
Speaker 4: jacket covering his lap, And as he removed the jacket
Speaker 4: from the man's lap, he noticed that his penis was
Speaker 4: halfway cut off and he was dead as luck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so sounds like Bundy, right, sounds like Bundy
Speaker 3: with his getting pulled over with the seat out of
Speaker 3: his volts Wagon.
Speaker 2: Like it's this guy's cllly murdered people, right. But here's the.
Speaker 4: Thing, JJ, he was not arrested for having a dead
Speaker 4: man with his penis halfway cut off in his passenger seat.
Speaker 2: He was a rosi his house right right?
Speaker 4: Oh, I was just gonna say he was only arrested
Speaker 4: for driving under the influence. They did not even though
Speaker 4: he had a dead fucking body with his penis halfway
Speaker 4: cut off in the passenger seat of his car. He
Speaker 4: was only charged with driving under the influence. And it
Speaker 4: wasn't until later when they found all the dead guy
Speaker 4: photos and the blood and all this other stuff in
Speaker 4: his car that he was eventually charges were eventually pressed
Speaker 4: against him, and he got the death penalty. But the
Speaker 4: scorecard that they found had at least seventy murder victims
Speaker 4: on it, but they could only charge him with sixteen
Speaker 4: based on the evidence, So he didn't even go down
Speaker 4: for all of the victims, and there was potentially even more.
Speaker 2: What was the evidence.
Speaker 3: It seemed kind of murky A lot of the evidence,
Speaker 3: like many of these right, they were attributing victims with
Speaker 3: to evidence. And you see all the other guys that
Speaker 3: are killing in and around him at the same time
Speaker 3: when he start plotting out all these murders, so many
Speaker 3: dudes doing the similar activities he's doing at the same
Speaker 3: time in the same place as in the seventies, and
Speaker 3: there's no evidence. Again, a lot of these victims are attributing,
Speaker 3: so I don't know how they attribute.
Speaker 2: It to whom.
Speaker 4: So the way that they were able to get at
Speaker 4: least sixteen of the seventy was from his scorecard where
Speaker 4: he would have where he wrote the victim's name and
Speaker 4: then he had photographs of their dead body and the
Speaker 4: uh signature of the sock in the bee hole was
Speaker 4: kind of how they were able to get and also
Speaker 4: Stemen samples.
Speaker 3: That's fair, but well, I guess I was referring to
Speaker 3: the outlying other ones, right, Like how do they even say, like, oh,
Speaker 3: he almost did seventy because he got Patrick Kearny out there,
Speaker 3: same time, same place, doing the same I don't know,
Speaker 3: the sock and the bee holes, but similar victims.
Speaker 4: Well, actually it was said that they had a hard
Speaker 4: time catching Randy Kraft government cheese because of Patrick Kearney.
Speaker 2: And this guy, right, William Boonen, Right.
Speaker 4: William Bonnen is out there raping and running through boys
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: But you know what, the same time. What's going on here?
Speaker 4: They're all but but but they're all ripping and running
Speaker 4: through young men and boys at the same time in California,
Speaker 4: And they all have similar backgrounds. Like Patrick Kearney, for example,
Speaker 4: was ripping and running through dudes be holes, and he
Speaker 4: was dismembering and necrofiling his victims. He also was in
Speaker 4: the Air Force. He was in the Air Force, and
Speaker 4: Patrick Kearney became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald while he
Speaker 4: was in the Air Force. And he said that he
Speaker 4: worked on top secret military language operations with Lee Harvey
Speaker 4: Oswald while he was in the Air Force, and then
Speaker 4: he later became one of the most prolific serial killers
Speaker 4: to ever live. Does that make sense to JJ?
Speaker 2: Are you fucking kidding me? He knew Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 4: He knew Lee Patrick Kearney who ripped and ran through Yeah,
Speaker 4: let me see it, says Patrick Kearney murdered and dismembered, disemboweled,
Speaker 4: and cut his victim's hearts and lungs out, murdered at
Speaker 4: least twenty eight young boys in southern California between nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy one and nineteen seventy seven. Was in the United
Speaker 4: States Air Force and uh befriended Lee Harvey Oswald and
Speaker 4: worked with him in top secret military language operations and
Speaker 4: took a trip with him to Mexico City for unknown reasons.
Speaker 3: Well, hear me out, I did not know that. Maybe
Speaker 3: I appreciate bringing that to my attention. Here's what I want.
Speaker 3: That's that's some that's a that's a well, that's a
Speaker 3: lot of details there, ma'am. So that would be my
Speaker 3: as you see, my my brain is currently being blown
Speaker 3: here because that's a major factor.
Speaker 2: I keep drawing a lot.
Speaker 3: So I've been drawing a lot of these circles around
Speaker 3: a lot of these characters, and a lot of things
Speaker 3: go back to, as I point out, from Trickye Dixoning
Speaker 3: and the Watergate tapes, the Bay of Picks, the Bay
Speaker 3: of Pigs thing. So that's fucking interesting. But if I
Speaker 3: may point out, and my may, I'll definitely be getting
Speaker 3: back to you on that note as well in the
Speaker 3: future when I look into that subject more.
Speaker 2: But this got you know their connections there.
Speaker 3: But if I made one thing I saw between him
Speaker 3: and Craft and it to me, it also relates in
Speaker 3: my opinion, to the incidents and activities around the death
Speaker 3: of John beIN a Ramsey and it goes back to
Speaker 3: that Thuggie cult. You know I've discussed before relative to
Speaker 3: the Four Pie movement, and they're alleged the four Pie
Speaker 3: off shoot of the process, and they're alleged uh ritual
Speaker 3: venerations or incorporations of philosophies, theology, theologies and rituals of
Speaker 3: the Thuggie cult, Cali worshiping, Shingon Buddhists right, shing gan Bood.
Speaker 3: It seems to be the elements of that four Pie
Speaker 3: movement who did as text style murders, eating hearts and shit.
Speaker 3: So we see that going on here. But with the
Speaker 3: thuggy aspects, we see this garrot, this tie, this torture
Speaker 3: and device with the ropes and stuff, the same thing.
Speaker 3: We see these guys do with Kearney the same thing
Speaker 3: we see Craft do Government cheese and the same thing
Speaker 3: we see John Benet with that twine was victim too.
Speaker 4: And William Bonnon the other murder. If you click on him,
Speaker 4: you'll find that William Bonnon also used a garrott, also
Speaker 4: is raping and running through little boys buttholes. And Patrick Kearney,
Speaker 4: Government Cheese and William Bonnon were all called the Freeway Strangler.
Speaker 4: All three of them were called the Freeway Strangler. So
Speaker 4: they're all doing it together right right, But it's it's
Speaker 4: just like Son of Sam and Zodiac. It's like it's
Speaker 4: not one fucking guy. The Freeway Killer is William Bonnen
Speaker 4: and Patrick Kearney and and Government Cheese. They were all
Speaker 4: running through little boys be holes.
Speaker 3: I'll be honest with the Government Cheese has been ripping
Speaker 3: and running some buttholes long before Randy Kraft. But I
Speaker 3: do like the nickname, you know, literally, you know, government
Speaker 3: cheese being not good for your butthole, you know, unning
Speaker 3: literal government cheese.
Speaker 4: There was something else I wanted to mention to you
Speaker 4: about Patrick Kearney though, to see if if you find
Speaker 4: this absolutely crazy. So the way that he's, you know,
Speaker 4: necrofiling his victims and doing this weird stuff. It's very ritualistic.
Speaker 4: And he's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald worked with him
Speaker 4: in military language school and military language operations. And he
Speaker 4: gets an honorable discharge from the military, moves to Long Beach, California,
Speaker 4: and he purchases a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he uses
Speaker 4: to pick up his victims in just like Eddy.
Speaker 2: And just like the son of Sam.
Speaker 4: Oh my, gosh, he had a yellow Volkswagon.
Speaker 3: No, but one of the members of the colt did
Speaker 3: it was it was seen at numerous of the of
Speaker 3: the crimes as the getaway vehicle.
Speaker 4: Well think about that, JJ.
Speaker 3: Repeating patterns, ma'am, smaller circles, Drone smaller circles.
Speaker 4: So kind of to sum up, I did want to
Speaker 4: just mention some other serial killers that were in and
Speaker 4: around this area in California. Obviously, we have the Zodiac
Speaker 4: assumed military background, the Manson family military background. But then
Speaker 4: there's Joseph James DeAngelo, also known as the Golden State
Speaker 4: Killer or the East Area rapist. And he.
Speaker 2: Didn't mean interject, but there's no way that's that's the
Speaker 2: same pattern.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, what do you think about Lonnie David Franklin Junior,
Speaker 4: also known is the Grim Sleeper. He was active in
Speaker 4: South Los Angeles? Oh? Yeah, did you cut out? Sorry?
Speaker 4: Where was I at when you cut out?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was having connectivity issues, you said, James Joseph D'Angel,
Speaker 3: And I was just pointing out that's another pattern.
Speaker 2: That's definitely a team.
Speaker 4: Oh, definitely. The next one I said was Lonnie David
Speaker 4: Franklin Junior, also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was
Speaker 4: active in South Los Angeles in nineteen eighty five, also
Speaker 4: military background. Have you heard of him?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: But I mean we're talking Charles Manson's friend being the
Speaker 3: personal friend be and at one point in time a
Speaker 3: defense attorney for Leslie Crenwinkle during the trials in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy the Manson Family trials, Ira Reyner. He got elected
Speaker 3: District Attorney of Los Angeles from eighty four to ninety two,
Speaker 3: and he prosecuted the night stalker McMartin, Bob you let
Speaker 3: Bob Cocaine Evans walk on the murder Roy Raiden, but
Speaker 3: prosecuted the number one member of the Colombian drug cartel,
Speaker 3: the Median cartel that is an America Karen Greenberger, and
Speaker 3: he prosecuted Manson too, Bill Menzer, you don't think they
Speaker 3: knew each other. If he's personal friends with Charles Manson
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty nine nineteen seven, you don't think he
Speaker 3: knew Menser too, who was a bodyguard and boyfriend allegedly
Speaker 3: of Mama Casts. And they're all members of the process, right,
Speaker 3: you don't think these people know each other. They definitely
Speaker 3: know each other.
Speaker 2: So who's this guy?
Speaker 3: Because I Reyner didn't do he did a lot of
Speaker 3: weird things as this attorney.
Speaker 4: He went by the grim Sleeper. His name is Lonnie
Speaker 4: David Franklin Junior. He had a military background, and he
Speaker 4: was raping and running through women in nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: And he's a black fellow.
Speaker 4: Huh yeah, Well, the next one on my list was
Speaker 4: Richard Ramirez.
Speaker 3: Oh if I made real quick, if I may real
Speaker 3: quick on this fella. So there's Toddy Lintini and his tapes.
Speaker 3: His interview tapes have been stolen from the sun of
Speaker 3: san Archives of ed Senators of Princeton University. I'm sort
Speaker 3: of the the archives of of ed Sanators of Princeton
Speaker 3: University someone stole our the four hours I believe it
Speaker 3: was of audio interviews with Tony Lentini. He was a
Speaker 3: one percent biker leader who was allegedly a present for
Speaker 3: the murder and ritual murder of Eton Pats there in
Speaker 3: Westchester County, New York. And he was allegedly deep into
Speaker 3: this process movement, right, so he tells the stories of
Speaker 3: there was a joint efforts within the black motorcycle outlaw
Speaker 3: motorcycle gangs that were also members of the cult to
Speaker 3: do the same Son of Sam style shootings in New
Speaker 3: York City. And uh, allegedly there was these things that
Speaker 3: just never got reported on within the black communities there
Speaker 3: with somebody doing the same activities. Really, yeah, and somebody,
Speaker 3: I would argue, part of this ongoing process church cover
Speaker 3: upper movement, these ongoing enterprises. They still I've been to
Speaker 3: Princeton and I've talked to the librarian. They someone stole
Speaker 3: those tapes.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Yeah, well, this motherfucker is dead, so we'll never
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll never know from him.
Speaker 3: So he gets busted in what year he's always from
Speaker 3: Stute Guard. Huh, that's interesting because it wasn't was it
Speaker 3: Dahmer or one of those other dudes was over there
Speaker 3: in stute Gart in the seventies.
Speaker 4: Dahmer, Yeah, yep, dahmer.
Speaker 3: So he gets he gets busted in what nineteen? Holy shit,
Speaker 3: they got a number of names listed for multiple Yeah,
Speaker 3: when does he get busted? Nineteen looks like nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 4: I thought it was nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's say by January eighty sixth fifteen murders had
Speaker 3: been linked to the case, more detectives added to the
Speaker 3: joint LAPD Sheriff's Department Task Force. Huh for the South
Speaker 3: Side slayer. But by eighty six the case was still
Speaker 3: an investigation.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: By late eighty six, conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions called.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go, speaking of teams, right, conflicting MOS
Speaker 3: and suspect descriptions, Right, so it's.
Speaker 4: Probably multiple assailants.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, look at list one, two, three, four, five
Speaker 3: black dudes on this team. Like I just said about
Speaker 3: the Son of Sam situation, they had a similar team
Speaker 3: of situations going on in the black community. According to
Speaker 3: Tiny Lentini, who was in the cult and part you know,
Speaker 3: high up apparently, and again he got into the cult
Speaker 3: by being the security, much like we see with folks
Speaker 3: like Victor Thorne out there in the Manson family situation,
Speaker 3: a man who's still alive today and very rich and powerful.
Speaker 3: And he was the head of I always want to
Speaker 3: call it Satan slaves as Gypsy Jokers.
Speaker 2: He was the head of the Gypsy.
Speaker 3: Jokers, A similar character to Tiny Lnini, right, very similar character,
Speaker 3: and Tiny Linini would later do multiple stents of prison
Speaker 3: for raping his own children and child pornography. But he's
Speaker 3: dead now. So nonetheless, Victor Thorne is still alive. Whether
Speaker 3: or not he's still involved in hood ratshit activities of
Speaker 3: outlaw bliker gangs and these satanist.
Speaker 2: Cold activities, I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: But what I can tell you is it seems to
Speaker 3: be repeating patters we see amongst these outlaw blicker crowds.
Speaker 3: So when I take Mantini's statements as despite his background
Speaker 3: as being rooted in at least largely fact right, so,
Speaker 3: you know, when these tapes are gone and we don't
Speaker 3: we don't have anything to look at anymore, you know,
Speaker 3: I wonder, but we do see these same repeating.
Speaker 2: Patters from coast to coast, this black.
Speaker 3: Community element right, the African American communities that get terrorized
Speaker 3: the same way through elements within their community, just like
Speaker 3: the Son of Sam does with elements within their community.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I was gonna say, with with government cheap.
Speaker 4: I think the Freeway strangler was Randy Kraft, William Bonnen,
Speaker 4: and Patrick Kearney were all the Freeway Strangler, just like
Speaker 4: the Hillside Strangler was multiple people.
Speaker 2: Yep. And they're all multiple people's.
Speaker 3: We're living under a false pretense to assume otherwise the
Speaker 3: exception to the rule might be an individual, but the
Speaker 3: rules their team, an organized team effort. And it's the
Speaker 3: FBI and John Douglas who sold us this false narrative
Speaker 3: of the loan only gonna kill blonds, and only gonna
Speaker 3: do them at twelve o'clock midnight, and only gonna do
Speaker 3: them with seven strikes to the chest, and you know,
Speaker 3: very specific patterns, and all that's bullshit. All that's well,
Speaker 3: there are similar patterns of behavior in meads of operations.
Speaker 3: They're not as strict as that John Douglas wants to
Speaker 3: convince folks of. And the idea of these perpetration of
Speaker 3: these ideas is the same thing we see later in
Speaker 3: the landing report, where there are no Satanists murdering people anywhere.
Speaker 2: Pay no attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears
Speaker 2: have deceived you, as.
Speaker 3: Michael Lokino will tell you, mister satanic murdering himself, as
Speaker 3: I would allege m hm.
Speaker 4: Well, and you know, so that guy that I mentioned
Speaker 4: earlier is being part of the Government Cheese crew. He
Speaker 4: was Air Force too, just like Randy Kraft and Patrick Kearney.
Speaker 4: William Bonnen served in the Air Force and is suspected
Speaker 4: of twenty one plus murders of of little boys who
Speaker 4: he raped and tortured, just like Patrick Kerney, and just
Speaker 4: like Government Cheese, and all three of them came from
Speaker 4: the Air Force.
Speaker 3: You mean to tell me this, This this fella with
Speaker 3: the pedophile stash and the weird haircut, you know, looking
Speaker 3: like he's got that five head going to with What
Speaker 3: do you mean by the weird haircut? You can see
Speaker 3: his file five head is very prominent. You mean to
Speaker 3: tell me this fellow rape fro Murner Schuld. No, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't never believe it.
Speaker 2: You look at the guy.
Speaker 3: You know he's got he's got the petter. You see
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about? It's got that Petter ridged five head.
Speaker 3: He's got the Petter mustache, right, I mean, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: obviously I'm obviously paying things some broad strokes here, but
Speaker 3: there is a certain physiotomy that seems to repeat amongst
Speaker 3: patterns with these folks.
Speaker 4: Well, you remember in Program to Kill Leonard Lake and
Speaker 4: Charles whatever the fuck his last name was aimed, they
Speaker 4: were also they were also ripping and running around the same.
Speaker 2: Time and running, ripping and running, a lot of ripping
Speaker 2: and running in that era. Right.
Speaker 4: What about Samuel Little he was supposed to have confessed
Speaker 4: to killing ninety three people in California.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got them for a funeral Ohio too, I think, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think there was some in Ohio actually, But so
Speaker 4: that's actually the end of my presentation. But think about
Speaker 4: what I just said, Like all of these serial killers,
Speaker 4: William Bonnan, Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese, Richard Ramirez, the Hillside stranglers,
Speaker 4: Leonard Lake and Charles Ing, you know, Lonnie, David Franklin, Junior,
Speaker 4: Joseph James DeAngelo, I mean, the Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer.
Speaker 4: They're all coming out of California and they're all ripping
Speaker 4: and running during or close to the same timeframes. What's
Speaker 4: up with this.
Speaker 3: Saying it seems it even seems more organized when you
Speaker 3: realize that they're all being shipped there. They're all being
Speaker 3: shipped there their military jobs, the aerospace and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Right, mm hmm.
Speaker 4: But another one that I did not mention in that
Speaker 4: list that I want to talk to you about at
Speaker 4: a later time is the dating game Killer also came
Speaker 4: from southern California and was ribbon and running during the
Speaker 4: same time, and he knew Polanski.
Speaker 3: So if I may suggest, man, let's do a seventies
Speaker 3: TV game show serial killer show, We'll do al Kala
Speaker 3: the two times Eddie Edward when Edwards was on the
Speaker 3: To Tell the Truth and I forget the other one
Speaker 3: he was on. I got to tell the Truth on
Speaker 3: cant recall the other show he's on, but he was
Speaker 3: on two and it was nineteen seventy two and nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy three, I think, And then al cal is what's
Speaker 3: seventy seven? On the dating game mm hmmmm hm there
Speaker 3: was another one that there was a fourth one, there
Speaker 3: was another Was there another dating game one or was
Speaker 3: there another another game show?
Speaker 2: I can't think of a serial they're from right now.
Speaker 4: It's a different game show, and I'd actually have to
Speaker 4: google it. But I think this is a really good
Speaker 4: idea because I find it fascinating how these things are
Speaker 4: are not more.
Speaker 2: Think of the logistics, right, How are they getting on
Speaker 2: the show? How did Edward Edward travel?
Speaker 3: How did he travel the country getting on over a
Speaker 3: thousand TV and radio shows promoting a book that he
Speaker 3: was metamorphosized as a criminal, meanwhile murdering folks on this
Speaker 3: national tour.
Speaker 2: The entire time.
Speaker 4: What I said, Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's there's a I assure you, ma'am. I ran logistics
Speaker 3: and current operations for the Air Force. I took a
Speaker 3: three year hiatus from being a military police in the
Speaker 3: Air Force, and I ran. I was working at headquarters
Speaker 3: in DC, literally managing the logistics for current operations in
Speaker 3: the Air Force, and in a you know, in a
Speaker 3: bunker in deep below the surface there you know, you
Speaker 3: will my as I call it, my my two and
Speaker 3: a half year stint in the hole, and I went back.
Speaker 3: It was so bad I volunteered to go back in
Speaker 3: the military police and go to war. So I found
Speaker 3: that more favorable circumstances for me at the time. But nonetheless,
Speaker 3: it is these logistics that I'm often concerned about because
Speaker 3: as a war planner in the Air Force who manage
Speaker 3: current operations, logistically speaking, there's a lot I see the
Speaker 3: machinations behind a lot of these projects, and I understand
Speaker 3: what goes into it.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? You are spot on.
Speaker 3: There is a deep logistics to getting on not only
Speaker 3: a game show, but the machinations of reissuing credentials to
Speaker 3: everyone edwards, the machinations of getting law enforcement offices around
Speaker 3: the country to look the other way.
Speaker 4: MM one hundred Yeah, I actually have another show I
Speaker 4: got to jump on here in a minute, but we
Speaker 4: got a plan for that one too, because it's just
Speaker 4: like with government cheese, there's too much there government cheese,
Speaker 4: man too much there for it to be a coincidence.
Speaker 4: And I actually want to thank you for indulging me
Speaker 4: this afternoon, because when I discovered this guy was like,
Speaker 4: why the fuck am I just finding out about this asshole?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I felt the same way when he presented them
Speaker 3: to me, So I definitely appreciate your time. I am
Speaker 3: in the conversation and blowing up my brain hole with
Speaker 3: these topics, and again, drawing a lot of small circles
Speaker 3: around a lot of these activities across the wide spectrum
Speaker 3: of time, geographical distance, and a lot of what I
Speaker 3: would call satanic murdering.
Speaker 2: And if you want to.
Speaker 3: Impacting our society today, let me introduce you to nonetheless.
Speaker 2: Of Buffalo Jared Orvisa, the.
Speaker 3: Guy that my former stalker who wanted to be my
Speaker 3: pr rep. And I'm pretty sure he wanted to murder
Speaker 3: me and wear my skin as a human coat. And
Speaker 3: that's mister Buffalo Jared, who sits today after his multi
Speaker 3: state mind control assassin killing spree, the murder victim of
Speaker 3: which hired him as his pr Rep. Jared sits in
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Jared sits in the Bridgewater Statemental Institution, allegedly
Speaker 3: because his court cases are not in the actual court system.
Speaker 2: Folks check that out on Operation GCD. I did that
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 3: Sundays ago, the case or the Legends of Buffalo Joe Rivisa.
Speaker 3: But that image you just saw was months before that
Speaker 3: campaign of murder. And he's wearing a strangely smiley faced,
Speaker 3: you know, chaos symbol.
Speaker 2: I would argue of the neo process.
Speaker 3: Lana will go, He's gone trans apocalypse kind of processing
Speaker 3: InStyle of you ask me as well, and also within
Speaker 3: this whole kind of satanic murdering situation, right within these
Speaker 3: mind controlled assassins. What I'm saying is we see repeating factors.
Speaker 3: Not only is in that he's in the same mental
Speaker 3: hospital then unleashed Nathaniel Barr Jonah to go eat, murder
Speaker 3: and rape kids in Great Falls, Montana. He's also of
Speaker 3: the mind. He's of a the family of these sports
Speaker 3: hypnosis infamous sports hypnosis family that broke the curse of
Speaker 3: the Goat and helped the Chicago Cubs win the World
Speaker 3: Series after a nearly one hundred year drought. And it
Speaker 3: was Ken Revisa, his great uncle and the company his
Speaker 3: father and him used to work for, the infamous Revisa
Speaker 3: sports hypnosis and psychology family that is credited with the
Speaker 3: Cubs help breaking the Cubs curse and back there a
Speaker 3: few years ago in twenty sixteen. So this is a
Speaker 3: fellow that I think we see these sam repeating patterns in. Again,
Speaker 3: he's currently under seemingly no accountability because his court cases
Speaker 3: are not in Connecticut or Massachusetts court systems, and at
Speaker 3: least not publicly despite him allegedly sitting in that same
Speaker 3: Bridgewater State Mental Hospital.
Speaker 2: And again I would.
Speaker 3: Argue, this dude reeks of every aspect of what we
Speaker 3: discussed from these fellas in the seventies and eighties that
Speaker 3: are going on right now. He went on a murder
Speaker 3: campaign last May and ain't no one talking about it.
Speaker 3: And the only reason I knew about it is because
Speaker 3: I had a Google alert set up for the son
Speaker 3: of a bitch because he creeped me out so bad
Speaker 3: that I thought he wanted to kill me and wear
Speaker 3: my skin as a human coat. Before all this, right
Speaker 3: before all this, So my being is you know, these
Speaker 3: things are still going on despite people thinking this is
Speaker 3: going on in the seventies and eighties, this stuff is
Speaker 3: still present today.
Speaker 4: Well, since this is a swapcast, actually JJ, I would
Speaker 4: like you to take a minute and just let all
Speaker 4: of the listeners know where they can find out more information,
Speaker 4: not only about this as a dick cheese, but all
Speaker 4: of your work.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I appreciate your time and again blowing up my brain
Speaker 3: home with these these details and ideas. I've been, like
Speaker 3: I said, you presented this craft filled too mean, I
Speaker 3: was need to fit into this whole study I'm doing
Speaker 3: right now with mapping a lot of these activities. Victim
Speaker 3: is doing genealogies, I'll do all sorts of shit, and
Speaker 3: he also is I'm very interested in the nineteen sixty
Speaker 3: eight Los Angeles presidential campaign of RFK, so one thing
Speaker 3: not discussed there, and folks can check out an operation
Speaker 3: GCD this and many other topics, especially relative to the
Speaker 3: process church and folks like Buffalo Jared Rivisa that I
Speaker 3: covered a few weeks ago on My Sunday's show, and
Speaker 3: Edward Wayne Edwards I covered a couple weeks ago on
Speaker 3: My Sunday Show, and Nathaniel bar Jonah I covered a
Speaker 3: few weeks on My Sunday show, The Hardy's Cannibal. But
Speaker 3: I do enjoy your your new marketing campaign of government
Speaker 3: government cheese here as well, so I'm gonna call him
Speaker 3: the Hardy's Cannibal. But yeah, folks can check that out there.
Speaker 3: And I my do a free free Patreon preview of
Speaker 3: my Sunday sh shows there on YouTube, Rumble and Twister,
Speaker 3: and then I do, uh, you know, my Patreon show
Speaker 3: there on those Sundays and on Thursdays, I'm doing the
Speaker 3: same thing with a free Patroon preview and the Anatomy
Speaker 3: of Satanic Panic that focuses around uh. The ideas, the
Speaker 3: continued investigation ideas of Dave McGowan and his Program to
Speaker 3: Kill largely focused around the psychological syops to mind more
Speaker 3: of Michael Akino and his Colby's queers, because that's where
Speaker 3: he came from the Phoenix program. So and I'm packing,
Speaker 3: how you know, using his own statements, how he's a
Speaker 3: ball washping a ball he ball washes and Nazi Satanists
Speaker 3: and his own words and z own book.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I'm also using his own words to prove that
Speaker 3: he's using because he'll I have videos of him saying
Speaker 3: I don't do I don't do magic on my military time.
Speaker 3: In his own book he's talking about doing thelemic rituals
Speaker 3: on military duties. So again, I'm only using his own
Speaker 3: words in that series, using the words of Alistair Curley
Speaker 3: about the sato masochistic torture and murder of young boys
Speaker 3: in which to gain personal and financial success, to which
Speaker 3: to say when he ball washes Curle and Thalma, I
Speaker 3: don't care if everyone participates in those extremist views of
Speaker 3: what's precisely what Crowley says. Clearly those Crowley words are
Speaker 3: being we're seeing those exhibited time after time, and the
Speaker 3: ritualistic satomasochistic murder, rape and cannibalism of young children and
Speaker 3: young men, and following the prescription with especially these mutilated
Speaker 3: gentilia like we've described to night, we seen with the
Speaker 3: West Memphis three as well. This is repeated time after time.
Speaker 3: So I'm not only unpacking some of the more. I'm
Speaker 3: not going over the high profile murders in that series.
Speaker 3: What started off doing is just unpacking the psychological operations
Speaker 3: focused around A Kino his activities in the presidio, and
Speaker 3: then spotting off from there on different tracks of how
Speaker 3: we see these replicating patterns of behavior time after time,
Speaker 3: over and over in these same precise syops to mine
Speaker 3: more that we get today. When I packed last week
Speaker 3: a documentary from two tenty twenty three in an interview
Speaker 3: given by the filmmakers called Satan Wants You and they
Speaker 3: are literally and I compare and contrast that to Keyno's
Speaker 3: own statements from his book. Is his email communications with
Speaker 3: Dave McGowan back in two thousand and one on these
Speaker 3: topics which are hilarious, and we see the same pattern
Speaker 3: behavior from a Keno in two thousand and one to
Speaker 3: a Keyno in twenty twenty to these folks in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, and it's the same statements, the same ignorance
Speaker 3: of all these things, in the same perpetration of the
Speaker 3: same propaganda. So ploks because I got that series there,
Speaker 3: and then you joined me quite often here recently for
Speaker 3: some film reviews, Julian, we got some more of those
Speaker 3: coming up on those from my Wednesday shows are going
Speaker 3: to be film.
Speaker 2: Reviews from this going forward.
Speaker 3: And then Fridays I do a roundtable in which I'm
Speaker 3: always looking forward for future roundtables of this nature.
Speaker 2: So hopefully you'll join me there.
Speaker 4: Yes, I would love to. I'm so glad that we
Speaker 4: met because we have so much in common in as
Speaker 4: far as the topics we like to cover. I feel
Speaker 4: like you understand a lot of the stuff that I
Speaker 4: try to present on my show, and sometimes but is
Speaker 4: easily digestible as one would think. You know, I talk
Speaker 4: about Laurel Canyon, I talk about Program to Kill, I
Speaker 4: talk about you know, it's too much to be a coincidence.
Speaker 4: There's definitely something more going on. So I was really
Speaker 4: excited when we met because it seemed like you were
Speaker 4: already tracking with me and we understood what the fuck
Speaker 4: was up right away.
Speaker 3: You ain't kidding, You ain't kidding. I reciprocate those same thoughts, man.
Speaker 3: When you drop the name Tuesday Weld on me, I
Speaker 3: was like.
Speaker 4: All right, there you go talking about Yeah, yeah, that
Speaker 4: was actually really good's deep? I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that episode. I've listened to a couple times.
Speaker 3: I don't usually listen to a lot of episodes. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: because every because here's the thing. Every even in conversations
Speaker 3: with you, I learned you blow up my brain hell
Speaker 3: every time, man. But then I have to re listen
Speaker 3: to things. So I'm like, she makes some good points here,
Speaker 3: she makes some good points here.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you, I think so much joining me tonight too,
Speaker 4: because I feel like this was a barn burner, as
Speaker 4: you would say, it's.
Speaker 2: A real barn burner.
Speaker 3: I got a few tabs open to continue some reading
Speaker 3: here tonight, and I appreciate your time for sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: J And any any more closing thoughts on that note,
Speaker 3: We'll just end it.
Speaker 2: Then it'll good to go.
Speaker 4: We're good to get all right.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3: Thank you and thanks for the folks of the interwebs
Speaker 3: and the cosmic peach folks of the inn webs.
Speaker 5: Doctor, my eyes have seen the youth and slow great
Speaker 5: of that Fright now I want to understand.
Speaker 4: I have done all that.
Speaker 5: I could see the evil and the glue without hiding.
Speaker 2: You must help me a few can, Doctor, Tell.
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