WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:37.079 Oh trigger warn This podcast may include explicit content that 2 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:39.280 will take you out of your comfort zone and make 3 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:40.479 you question reality. 4 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.840 Listeners, just question is advised. 5 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:56.200 Holdy, folks, welcome back to Operation GCD. Your host JJ 6 00:00:56.399 --> 00:01:01.880 vance Operation GCD and not the Vice pre no bombs here, folks, 7 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.439 welcome back for a special swapcast here with Julia from 8 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:08.200 Cosmic Peach how you do and Julia looking forward to 9 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.280 the conversation me too. 10 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:13.840 Thanks so much for joining me for this conversation. It's 11 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:17.040 something that I kind of hinted around about a couple 12 00:01:17.040 --> 00:01:21.840 of times the last few shows we did together. And 13 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:24.599 You've been looking into this guy, and I've been looking 14 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:28.760 into this guy, and I'm excited to get into the conversation. 15 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.680 Well, I'm gonna have to tell you first and foremost, ma'am, 16 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:33.519 I appreciate you bringing this to my attention because I 17 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.560 had never heard of Randy Kraft, and he fits right 18 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:39.519 into the same framework I'm already mapping and looking into. 19 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:41.319 So this is a great puzzle piece for me. So 20 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:43.719 I definitely appreciated you looking for me. 21 00:01:43.799 --> 00:01:44.959 He's a very interesting character. 22 00:01:45.400 --> 00:01:49.840 Yes, he is a very interesting character. And do you 23 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:54.200 feel like if Dave McGowan was still around, this guy 24 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:56.959 would have ended up on his radar at some point, 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:57.959 because I do. 26 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:00.640 Yeah, that's a good point. 27 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.439 That's a good point because I was talking about something 28 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.640 similar last night on my show on Operation GCD Sundays, 29 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.479 talking about all these kind of this framework and network. 30 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.360 We were kind of talking about offline where all these 31 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.439 folks know each other and cross pass and in regards 32 00:02:13.439 --> 00:02:15.120 to Dave McGowan's where, yeah, I mean, I think he 33 00:02:15.199 --> 00:02:17.599 did the best he could with the amount of information 34 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.719 he had. I said the same thing about John retired 35 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.400 Detective John Cameron from Great Falls PD who did the 36 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:26.719 seminal study into the serial killer. Most folks have probably 37 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:30.240 never heard of Edward Wyn Edwards. Tuned in Operation GCD 38 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.840 for more on that subject. But one thing I covered 39 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.240 on that was he wrote, Edward, I'm sorry. Cameron wrote 40 00:02:37.240 --> 00:02:39.599 a book about Edwards, you know, eight seven and eight 41 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:42.280 years ago, two different books. At the time, he did 42 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:43.960 the best he could with the information he had, but 43 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:47.960 now we think we have more information, So Edwards printed sorry. 44 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.080 Cameron printed a marriage license for example, before Edward Wyn 45 00:02:51.199 --> 00:02:54.400 Edwards in November of nineteen fifty five and Idaho Falls, 46 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.800 Idaho under the pseudonym that he had fake credentials for passports, 47 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.400 driver's license, urity cards for name James Garfield, like the 48 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.960 President in Langley, like the CIA headquarters. So I found 49 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.639 another marriage license from the same date with the same 50 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.400 names to the same lady with the same judges in 51 00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.800 the same stamp, under the name Edward Wayne Edwards. So 52 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:17.560 what I'm saying here is it seems like the CIA 53 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.120 may be Project Chaos like Eddie's friend Charles Manson was. 54 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.759 Maybe they issued him some fake credentials because old ed 55 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.759 there gets picked up for a Lover's Lane murder in Portland, 56 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.879 Ogon in nineteen sixty after he does time in Deer 57 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:35.360 Lodge Prison in nineteen sixty under the name James Garfield Langley, 58 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:37.960 so he gets the same credentials reissued to him after 59 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:40.639 he gets out of a state prison in Deer Lodge Prison, 60 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:44.479 the same Deer Lodge prison that the Fellow and Zodiac 61 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.240 killer at Lake Berry us It claimed to have escaped from, 62 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:49.960 murdered a prison guard, stole a car and was driving 63 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:52.400 to Mexico. Those are all details from edwyd whin evers life, 64 00:03:52.439 --> 00:03:54.319 but they didn't happen in nineteen sixty nine at the 65 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.879 lake Bury s event. They had happened to add fifth 66 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:00.080 in nineteen fifty nine, but. 67 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.360 It's still compelling enough to make you wonder. 68 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.280 Right, who in who, what victim or who? Brian Hartnell 69 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:08.879 has no reason to make any of that up. And 70 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.879 it's in the Santa it's in the Senate. When not 71 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:15.759 Santa Rosa. The NAPA County Sheriff's Department please report, which 72 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.000 I went over on my show talking about. 73 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.160 It, says dear Lodge prison. 74 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.879 So Edward Wayne Edwards, whether or not he murdered the 75 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:24.000 guard or not, is not known, but he was definitely 76 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 in Dear Lodge prison in that riot in fifty nine. 77 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:26.560 He definitely. 78 00:04:26.759 --> 00:04:29.759 When later, after getting picked up for he gets some reason, 79 00:04:29.879 --> 00:04:33.199 you know, he gets either gets paroled or he does escape. 80 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:36.000 It's not exactly clear really, because again this man lives 81 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:39.600 a very dubious and mysterious life. But he gets picked 82 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.519 up in November of nineteen sixty under the name James 83 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.160 Garfield Langley again right, arrested for a Lover's Lane murder, 84 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.560 and he escapes to prison that night, goes on the run, 85 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.399 becomes one of the most wanted men on the FBI's 86 00:04:51.399 --> 00:04:53.639 list and is picked up in Atlanta, Georgia in January 87 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:56.160 of nineteen sixty two, so fourteen months later, so for 88 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:57.079 thirteen and a half. 89 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.079 So there being is. 90 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.600 How would anyone know all those intimate details of an 91 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:06.079 event that actually happened and never went unvers life and 92 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.079 further substantiating John Cameron's claims, and I would agree he's 93 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:12.560 correcting this that Ed was the guy in the hood 94 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:14.920 that day at Barry Essa, and he was I viewed 95 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:18.120 more of a like a Manson two Bill Menzer style guy, 96 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:19.399 like out of Ultimate Evil. 97 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:19.639 Right. 98 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.680 So, and again the reason why Bill Mentzer's named Manson 99 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.079 two by Mary Terry's because he knew Charles Manson was 100 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:28.519 part of that original scene. And Ed has known Charles 101 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:30.000 Manson since nineteen fifty two. 102 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.920 But you do believe that much like the Son of Sam, 103 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.600 that there was probably multiple assailants that were running and 104 00:05:39.560 --> 00:05:42.079 ripping through as the Zoe teams. 105 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:45.240 Yeah, these are definitely teams, just ma'am. And that's why 106 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:46.839 I keep saying the man in the hood was Ed 107 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:49.399 because he knew adds details of his life, right. And 108 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:52.839 on top of that and the letters from the Zodiac, 109 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.360 the Zodiac describes that he gets his rocks off killing folks. 110 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:56.600 Right. 111 00:05:57.079 --> 00:05:59.920 I'll look up the exact quote, but let's paraphrase. Ed 112 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:03.519 Ed Edwards gets busted for a nineteen eighty lovers Lane 113 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.040 murder in Wisconsin. He gets busted in two thousand and nine, 114 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:09.160 and he gets busted when his daughter watches a true 115 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:12.839 crime show on TV says, oh, wait that I know 116 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:15.720 that town. I know that field where they found those bodies. 117 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.920 In fact, my father took me to that field and 118 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.079 we were living there and left the town that next day. 119 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.759 So she calls the Wisconsin authorities and tells him that, 120 00:06:23.199 --> 00:06:26.079 then gives her DNA to compare against DNA left on 121 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.240 the victims genes of the young female and the Lover's 122 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:31.120 Lane murder. Right, and that young female had semen on 123 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:34.879 her genes, not raped, no sexual assault, semen passed through 124 00:06:34.879 --> 00:06:38.360 the assailant's pants onto her, jens on her pants. So 125 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:42.319 it seems Edward when Edwards did in fact get his 126 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:44.800 rocks off strangling this young female. 127 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.399 Oh my god. 128 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.600 So the evidence I would say is mounting that that 129 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:52.560 is ed is definitely involved in that team. 130 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:55.879 Oh he has to be right. 131 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.720 And again he and Charles Manson met they were twenty 132 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:01.360 he won or twenty. 133 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:05.360 I think Ed was nineteen and Charles was eighteen. 134 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.959 And they met at the Chili Coothy Reformatory in April 135 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.040 of nineteen fifty two, and they were there together for 136 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.319 fifteen months. 137 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:17.879 Okay, their besties. 138 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:21.759 And Ed ed again that DNA came back on them 139 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.040 jeans and eighty. He didn't get the death penalty, so 140 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:26.439 he he then admitted to another lover's lane murder that 141 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.800 occurred in Ohio in nineteen seventy seven, and in nineteen 142 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.399 seventy seven in Ohio there was no death penalty available 143 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.720 for those crimes during that period. So then he admits 144 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:38.240 to another murder in nineteen ninety six in Ohio, and 145 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:41.800 there he gets the death penalty and he dies coincidentally, 146 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.839 strangely enough, you know, a couple months before he was 147 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.639 to be executed, but five days before John Cameron, the 148 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.480 man he did the seminal studying to Ed Edwards, was 149 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:56.759 supposed to come visit him. Oh shit, Yeah, so someone 150 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:57.639 didn't want Ed talkin. 151 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:58.759 In my opinion, I. 152 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:01.600 Was just gonna say that it's more likely they didn't 153 00:08:01.639 --> 00:08:03.240 want him saying a peep. 154 00:08:04.199 --> 00:08:05.920 And if you go if folks of you or folks 155 00:08:05.959 --> 00:08:07.639 of the interwebs, go on, go on and see these 156 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:10.879 interviews that occurred in the spring of twenty eleven before 157 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.399 ed dies. This regard twenty ten, I think it is 158 00:08:14.240 --> 00:08:17.319 thanks twenty ten. Yeah, because he gets arrested, he gets 159 00:08:17.959 --> 00:08:20.759 they come get they come get his DNA and by 160 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.399 warrant in June of two thousand and nine. So I 161 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:25.519 think he dies in April twenty ten. But nonetheless, you 162 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.120 can go on there. He's he's faking to be an 163 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.319 old man in a wheelchair on oxygen. 164 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.519 That's all. That's all a ruse. That's all a ruse. 165 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:35.159 He did have type two diabetes, but that was all 166 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:35.679 a ruse. 167 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.720 Like the guards of the prison in Ohio where he 168 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.200 ends up dying said that they would wheel himack to 169 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:41.559 his cell and he would just stand up out of 170 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:42.480 his wheelchair and walk in. 171 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:42.840 Fine. 172 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.480 So this is this is the diabolical nature of Edward 173 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:47.360 Winn Edwards. 174 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:50.320 Well, John Wayne Gacy pulled a bunch of shit like 175 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.639 that too. He'd say he was having heard attacks. He 176 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.320 would say he couldn't, that he needed a wheelchair and 177 00:08:58.399 --> 00:09:03.279 all this stuff. Because he also, much like a lot 178 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.559 of the program Killers, was trying to get out of 179 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:09.240 his Was he on death row? He was, wasn't he? 180 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:12.639 Yeah? He was? Yeah, they executed Gaysey. 181 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.240 Yeah. I was gonna say, because there were a lot 182 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.679 of times when he would fake a heart attack, he'd 183 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.960 fake this, he'd faked that. He's one of these guys who, like, 184 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:26.080 until I listened to that podcast, The Clown and the 185 00:09:26.120 --> 00:09:29.759 Candy Man, I didn't understand like how connected he really 186 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.759 was because it just sometimes sounded like he was just 187 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:38.320 making up lie stories, you know, he was looking into it, 188 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.279 and it's like, maybe this is true. 189 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.600 Well nanny was was he politically connected? And you know, 190 00:09:44.639 --> 00:09:45.120 and whatnot? 191 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.600 And the JC stuff like he picks up one of 192 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:50.440 his victims from the same bar that Jeffrey Dahmer got one. 193 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.600 Of his victims, right, you know what I'm saying. 194 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:59.720 And there's connection between Gaycy and uh Patsky, Norman and 195 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.080 wh All and that whole network stretches to Ace Brown 196 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:03.519 there in Yonkers in New York in the son of 197 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:04.240 the same situation. 198 00:10:05.759 --> 00:10:09.679 So this is like a huge web, right, And there's 199 00:10:10.759 --> 00:10:25.440 multiple different I would say, like Portland area, like Seattle, California, Chicago, Dallas, Texas, 200 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.679 like there are like epicenters, and then there's like little 201 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.159 spider webs that crawl out from those epicenters. 202 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:35.879 Sure, yeah, for sure, that's a good way to put it. 203 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:38.399 Think of it this way, as any corporation does, they 204 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:42.240 have regional and uh, you know, divisions and you know 205 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:46.639 organizational structures throughout regions and whatnot. So you're describing various 206 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.399 regions that may have regional headquarters in right, mm hmm, 207 00:10:50.960 --> 00:10:54.039 just like just like any corporation does, right, any corporate effort. 208 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:57.200 This is a corporate effort. This is an organized bureaucratic 209 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:00.000 spook operation, in my opinion, under matters of quote unquote 210 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:01.919 national security every time. 211 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:09.240 So would you say that Randy Craft fits this kind 212 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.159 of blueprint? 213 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.759 Not only does he fit this blueprint, he also I'm 214 00:11:15.879 --> 00:11:18.639 very interested in his epicenter of activity around the nineteen 215 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:23.240 sixty eight presidential campaign of R. F. Kennedy in Los Angeles, 216 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:25.919 of which Randy Craft was very involved, and of which 217 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.840 Ruman Polanski and Sharon Tate were very involved in that 218 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.159 same county campaign effort of the RFK nineteen sixty eight 219 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:34.679 presidential campaign. So there's no way, there is no I 220 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:36.399 don't have any pictures of approof. But there's no way 221 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.440 these folks don't know each other, because he's got got 222 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:40.440 accolades for that campaign, you know what I mean. 223 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:45.519 He got a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. Kennedy, 224 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:51.000 Just like how John Wayne Gacy has a picture of 225 00:11:51.120 --> 00:11:57.279 himself with the first Lady, and just how Jeffrey Dahmer 226 00:11:57.440 --> 00:11:59.759 somehow was able to hook up a private tour of 227 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.159 the White House when he was still in high school. 228 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:05.799 This guy's getting a personal letter of thanks from Robert F. 229 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:10.240 Kennedy for his campaigning efforts. Like, there's no way that's 230 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:11.840 just innocent. 231 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.279 Well, don't forget Ted Bundy. He was an assistant. 232 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:17.600 Oh and Ted Bundy too, Yeah, to. 233 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:21.200 The he was a driver, I believe to the Attorney General. 234 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:22.600 I want to think at one point of the state 235 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:23.200 of Washington. 236 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:30.080 Yes, he and he dated some type of politician's daughter too, right, Well, he. 237 00:12:30.679 --> 00:12:32.759 Worked high up in that, in the R and C 238 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:35.879 structure of the state of Washington. He definitely was involved 239 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.000 in that and it was a rising star if you will. 240 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:40.480 Mm hmmmm hm. 241 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:45.399 So I kind of want to get your opinion on something, 242 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.320 because you know, there's a lot of podcasts out there 243 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.360 that cover true crime stuff. But all they do is 244 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:54.080 cover like the crime aspect of it and not so 245 00:12:54.240 --> 00:12:59.320 much like how it's connected, you know, like the truth 246 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:03.799 about what serial killers really are. And I find it 247 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.679 interesting that most of the programmed serial killers are the 248 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:14.360 ones that get like the bitchin monikers like BTK, Zodiac, 249 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:21.279 Hillside Strangler, Son of Sam, Like, what are your thoughts 250 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:25.759 on the moniker itself? Like this this is a tactic 251 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:27.159 used to stir up fear. 252 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:31.159 Right, Well, for sure, these are all Operation Gladio style campaigns, 253 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:33.879 I would argue, And you're describing the marketing aspects. 254 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:35.200 Of it, right, mm hmm. 255 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.279 So like this guy, Randy Kraft. He becomes known as 256 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:49.320 the Scorecard Killer, but he's also known as the California Strangler. 257 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:53.799 I want to say, somebody else named him that, Oh yeah, 258 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:58.879 Southern California Strangler, the freeway killer or the scorecard killer, 259 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:03.279 and and I've been calling him the Government cheese killer 260 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:08.200 because he's clearly government and his last name is Kraft, 261 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:11.120 So that makes a good that's. 262 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.759 A good nickname. I like your marketing campaign on that one. 263 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:15.399 And if I made this real quick, I looked up 264 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.440 the Bundy stuff. He was the driver to the Lieutenant 265 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:18.480 governor of the state. 266 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:19.960 Of oh Okay, Okay. 267 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.440 And he was integral in the in the Nelson Rockefeller 268 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:26.720 campaign in the nineteen sixty eight Nelson Rockefeller campaign for president, 269 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.120 in the Seattle campaign. 270 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.440 What, yeah, that's what it was. 271 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:34.200 That's Ted Bundy's political connection. 272 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.960 So we see what I'm saying there is we see 273 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:39.039 this repeating pattern, right, not only the marketing and creative nicknames. 274 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:41.799 We see the repeating pattern these political connections. We see 275 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.080 the repeating pattern I see with Craft name, with Bundy, 276 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:46.360 with you know, with her oh, I don't know about 277 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.600 with Craft, I don't remember, but definitely with Bundy and 278 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.080 Ed Edwards and Charles Manson they have these are men 279 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:55.240 without fathers mm hmm, you know, Richard Ramirez, you know, 280 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.000 the list goes on with these characters. But I do 281 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:00.679 think that is a repeating pattern of behavior inactivities I 282 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:01.840 think should not be ignored. 283 00:15:02.039 --> 00:15:05.320 Now, what was uh, what was Craft's Well, I know 284 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:07.159 he had a father, but was what was his relationship? 285 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:11.679 You recall does his father worked in the aerospace industry? Right? Yes? 286 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:16.919 So actually government cheese is weird because his struggles with 287 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:21.360 his family were because of his sexuality. A lot like 288 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:25.120 Jeffrey Dahmer, except I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's dad played 289 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:28.000 a lot to do with helping jeff become who he was. 290 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.519 In this case, he was kind of shunned by his 291 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.879 family because he was gay and it was in the 292 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:40.320 early sixties and that shit wasn't cool back then, I guess, 293 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:44.440 or it was looked down upon. So he kind of 294 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.679 had like a weird relationship with his parents. 295 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.480 Right right, And his dad was in the aerospace industry, 296 00:15:52.519 --> 00:15:54.559 and I saw them before he got into politics. That 297 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:57.799 he joined the ROTC there at Claremont College in Los Angeles, 298 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.559 before later going and enlisting in the Air Force and 299 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:03.159 then and then later getting out and then going back 300 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:05.440 to Claremont. So this is he's got some odd in 301 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:08.039 and outs and trajectories in life. And is again his 302 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.919 associations in the nineteen sixty eight RFK campaign in Los 303 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.799 Angeles is extremely questionable. 304 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:19.519 So here let me get your thoughts on this. Craft 305 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:25.200 enrolled in the Reserve Officers Training Corps and he was 306 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.559 in support of the Vietnam War, and then later he 307 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:34.080 joined the Air Force. But do you find that some 308 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.840 of these psychopaths when they're put into programs as young 309 00:16:37.879 --> 00:16:42.240 adults or even teenagers that they could have been scouted 310 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.879 out as potentially being like highly functioning sociopaths or highly 311 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:51.679 functioning psychopaths, and they are kind of recruited in a 312 00:16:51.720 --> 00:17:00.120 way for future programs because of their innate psychopathy. 313 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:02.480 Yeah, I mean I think it's I think it's certainly 314 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.240 that's a factor. I think some of this is multi generational. 315 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.720 Okay, Yeah, tell me about what you think about that. 316 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:13.839 Do you think it's always generational or do you think 317 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.240 am I back? Am I back? 318 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:18.559 You're back? You're back. 319 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:21.480 So I was saying, I think I think the rule 320 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.319 is that it's multi generational. But the exception to that 321 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.240 rule is when it's not multi generational. So there are 322 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:30.480 examples of that, but the overwhelming pattern shows that it is. 323 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.720 These are multi generational aspects that we don't quite understand. 324 00:17:34.920 --> 00:17:41.559 So would you say, because I think like Ted Bundy's 325 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:49.559 stepdad was military, Jeffrey Dahmer's dad was some kind of 326 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:55.319 like a scientist or something like that. Uh, Like you're 327 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:58.160 saying it comes from like the dad's side of the family, 328 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:00.720 or it could be random, or. 329 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:01.480 It could be either one. 330 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:02.799 It could be either one I mean, it could be 331 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:06.240 Mom's at side, Dad's side. So I think, for example, 332 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.680 so let's look at that. I think I was described 333 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.599 to you there before the show here started, Julia. But 334 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.160 the Zodiac victim and survivor Brian Hartnell Lake Berry, I say, who, 335 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.359 I would argue at the one who stabbed a bunch 336 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:18.359 of times at Edward's that is the man in the 337 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:19.640 hood and. 338 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.480 The magical you Beck you Beck, Yeah, yeah, yep. 339 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:25.960 So let's look at let's look at so I think, 340 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:28.680 understanding all these crimes, you gotta understand only the criminology 341 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:32.200 of the you know, the the the you know the aspects, uh, 342 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.480 you know, environments, the families of the criminals. 343 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:35.720 Right. 344 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.559 You gotta do the same thing with the victims, right, 345 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:40.720 and you gotta you gotta understand that is why are 346 00:18:40.759 --> 00:18:41.279 they a victim? 347 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:42.599 Is at random? I don't think it is. 348 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:44.039 And again, if you start looking at it in a 349 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:46.079 generational regard, it seems indicated. 350 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:47.039 It's not so. 351 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:49.400 Brian Hartnell gets stabbed a bunch of times by the 352 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:52.759 guy and the seemingly thelemic magical ritual hood and what 353 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.599 it seems like a ritual sacrifice around water, uh. Filmed 354 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:58.720 in a snuff capacity by two men who sat on 355 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:00.759 a boat thirty meters away from the victims and watched 356 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.319 them screen for thirty minutes while one of the victims, 357 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:06.839 Brian Hartnell, crawled to the road and his girlfriend, Cecilia Shepherd, 358 00:19:06.839 --> 00:19:08.720 would later die in the ambulance on the way to 359 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.039 the hospital, but Brian Hartnell would survive despite the very 360 00:19:12.160 --> 00:19:16.680 tragic circumstances and a lot of stavings. So Brian Hartnell 361 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:19.279 looking at him. His mother was a woman by the 362 00:19:19.359 --> 00:19:22.720 name Walker was the last name, and her father seems 363 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.519 to have been the hereditary member of the Society to Cincinnati, 364 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:29.039 the folks that started America and the secret society that is, 365 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.400 and I would argue still very much runs it. And 366 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:33.799 I would argue there's very much been a factional feud 367 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.799 in that society since Aaron Burr murdered the President General 368 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:40.359 of that society, Alexander Hamilton, in eighteen oh four. I 369 00:19:40.400 --> 00:19:42.680 called him the anti liberty faction. In the liberty faction, 370 00:19:42.759 --> 00:19:45.519 that would be Burr on the anti liberty faction representing 371 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.839 the Crown and the Vatican. His backgrounds backers, and that's 372 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:52.200 demonstrably proven. The things historians miss on that is, they 373 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.680 don't claim that Aaron Burr started that coup until after 374 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.440 he murdered Alexander Hamilton. And the reason that said is 375 00:19:57.480 --> 00:20:00.720 because no one wants to understand that Alexander ham the 376 00:20:00.759 --> 00:20:03.319 President General of the Society at the time. So and 377 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.559 Aaron Burr was a fellow New York Chapter Society member. 378 00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.200 But this is a modern day knighthood. It's literally the 379 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.480 new incarnation of the Knight's Templar. These folks forefathers were 380 00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:16.000 the Knights Templar, and these folks started America and the 381 00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.720 Secret Society formed by the original officers of Washington's Army 382 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.599 in May of seventeen eighty three. America formed in September 383 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.720 seventeen eighty three. So that's there's really not much dispute. 384 00:20:26.799 --> 00:20:32.119 So it gets passed down hereditary from the original members. 385 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:34.400 Now when you get to a situation like Brian hart 386 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:40.359 Hartnell's maternal grandfather Walker there, if he doesn't have any sons, 387 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:43.119 and then it gets passed down through the daughter to 388 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:45.680 the next available paternal lineage. 389 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:45.960 Right. 390 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.839 So, and if you go back in that lineage, Colonel Walker, 391 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.319 the original member there, who the hereditary member appears been 392 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.839 passed down to Brian Hartnell's maternal grandfather. The original member 393 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:58.960 was a major figure in the society, personal friend of 394 00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:02.799 Washington and assistant to General von Steubens. So this is 395 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.839 a very integral member within this power structure that the 396 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:08.400 membership is getting passed down through. And I think that 397 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:10.160 might play into a factor of some of these things. 398 00:21:10.200 --> 00:21:13.240 Because Brian Hartnell's grandfather died and I think it was 399 00:21:13.319 --> 00:21:16.359 November of nineteen sixty six, when he was seventeen years old. 400 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.000 So it seems like young seventeen year old Brian Hartnell 401 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:22.559 got himself hereditarily inducted into the secret Society that started 402 00:21:22.599 --> 00:21:26.279 America three two, just under three years before he gets 403 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.519 stabbed a bunch of times. 404 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:37.680 That is so crazy. That is so crazy, And go ahead, well, 405 00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:39.359 I was going to say, so it's like we could 406 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:43.319 compare it kind of actually not kind of. We can 407 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.680 compare it to like the Laurel Canyon of serial killers 408 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.400 and victims, right, because if you look at the Laurel Canyon, 409 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:55.839 like David Crosby and some of these assholes with Lutely, 410 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:59.640 you know, they've got family members going all the way 411 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.319 back like signers of the Declaration of Independence. 412 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.720 You know, well, on that note. 413 00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:10.720 On that note, let's look at the Manson family murders 414 00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:13.200 there in Benedict Canyon, of that same Laurel Canyon scene. 415 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.160 Right from the sixties, you got Abigail Folger. 416 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:20.039 To the Coffee Foundation, and if you go back to 417 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.799 the Folgers, Peter Folger was the founder of Nantucket back 418 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:27.160 in the late sixteen hundreds. He's Peter Folger's the grandfather 419 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.839 of Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin's mother's the daughter of Peter 420 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:37.079 Volder Maryland and Marilynd Monroe's father. Again, people want to 421 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.519 dispute these things. I've looked pretty well into it to 422 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:42.039 come to a conclusion here, because she does seem to 423 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:45.480 have Monroe heritage through her mother's family, even though she 424 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.400 would later choose the name Monroe as this monic as 425 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.440 the pseudonym. Right, it seems to be that that might 426 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:53.279 be why. But my point being is DNA has proven 427 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.960 that she's a Gifford. Her father was a Gifford, Charles Gifford. 428 00:22:57.279 --> 00:23:02.400 Charles Gifford's mother was a Franklin. Sorry maternal grandmothers of Franklin. 429 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:08.279 Marilyn Monroe's sixth great grandfather was Benjamin Franklin, I'm sorry, 430 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.599 six sixth grade, n sixth grade. 431 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:13.519 An knew it. You was gonna drop a freaking bomb 432 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:14.680 like that. Look at this. 433 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:17.079 So as a result of that, speaking of the Laurel 434 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:20.119 Canyon seeming, we got Marilyn Monroe. You know who's the 435 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:22.640 Church of Satan's dedicated the Bible's dedicated her in one 436 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:26.680 of the parties, right, and she's she's cousins folds your 437 00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:28.720 cousins with Abigail Folger. And it gets worse than that 438 00:23:29.319 --> 00:23:31.880 because if you look at John Markham, the processed church 439 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:34.240 attorney who plays a lot of things later in life, 440 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.079 but notably in two thousand and two, he's helping Leslie 441 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:39.960 van Hooton get out of prison, right, the Manson girl 442 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:42.359 from the La Bianca mers right. And if you look 443 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.119 at who takes over Jay Seabring, the victim at the 444 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:47.960 Tate Polanski him and the Manson murders, the man who 445 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:51.319 takes over his enterprise inherits it after his murder is 446 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:54.640 a man by the name of Jim Markham. He is Markham, 447 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:59.559 cousins with the processed church attorney John Markham. 448 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:04.319 My god, right, So it's not just the killers, it's 449 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:07.039 the victims too, and. 450 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.720 It gets worse, it gets You're spot on, it gets. 451 00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:14.319 We're Sharon Tate's father, US Army and Intelligence Colonel Paul Tait. 452 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.400 His second great grandfather was Lieutenant Jesse Tate from the 453 00:24:19.480 --> 00:24:23.240 Virginia chapter of the Society to Cincinnati. It seems like 454 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.839 he was a hereditary member, right, and he had no sons. 455 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.880 He had no sons, and Sharon Tate was pregnant with 456 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.000 eight and a half months pregnant with her son, which 457 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.519 would have been the hereditary member to receive membership from 458 00:24:36.519 --> 00:24:37.640 the Society from Paul Tate. 459 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:39.680 So wild. 460 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.039 So I think what we're looking at is what you're saying. 461 00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.920 These elite families, right, and these disputes that they have, 462 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.440 and we were told the Penstance tale, if you will, 463 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:53.200 If you know these parapolitical storylines, you guys deal with 464 00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:55.279 these factors and chew on us for a while when 465 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.039 they're really just doing their secret society family bullshit feuds. 466 00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:58.279 Right. 467 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.559 Well, do you believe JJ your personal opinion, are you 468 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:06.920 scared of serial killers? Like, do you think that there 469 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:12.640 are real, live, just random psychopaths out there that just 470 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.519 want to fucking just murder people, or do you think 471 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.319 that a lot of the hype and a lot of 472 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.599 the sensationalism behind it is mostly programmed. 473 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:26.839 You know. That's a great question, Julie. And in fact, 474 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:27.200 I don't. 475 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.319 I'm not an expert in anything, but I have met 476 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:30.839 a couple of these characters. I know a few of 477 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.519 what you're talking about. I would say they're all programs. 478 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:35.400 You would say, Okay. 479 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.640 Yeah, Now I'll give you I'll give you a great example, 480 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.519 and I'll tie you back into the process in the 481 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.599 RFK murder for you. So, I met a fellow back 482 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.839 in two thousand and one, face to face, about eighteen 483 00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:49.359 inches away through a thin layer of plexiglass, a cannibalistic, 484 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:53.680 psychopathic kid diddling, homicidal, a serial killer by the name 485 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:59.240 of Nathaniel bar jonah Right. He had attempted to murder 486 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:01.680 eat in the race uh. He raped and attempted to 487 00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:05.000 murder and eating five young kids in Massachusetts. The judge 488 00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.480 that let him out was the same judge that let 489 00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:11.440 Teddy Kennedy walk in the Chapiquittic situation. He was the 490 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.160 special prosecutor in that case. He was later a judge, 491 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:15.960 but he was a special prosecutor in that case. Right 492 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:19.480 so in chap Equittic, the victim in chap Equittic happened 493 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.720 to be rfk's chief campaign staffer from the nineteen sixty 494 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.359 eight presidential campaign, a woman that had a lot of details, 495 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.960 a lot of details, and it just so happens old 496 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:32.680 Teddy Kennedy six months prior to the art of the 497 00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:36.079 chap Equittic situation, happened to be meeting with the Cambridge 498 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.400 mayor in the processed church, in the Cambridge location of 499 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:40.160 the processed church. 500 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:41.200 That's document. 501 00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:43.599 Fuck off. 502 00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:44.079 Yep. 503 00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:53.000 So what about what about? Like, so you met you've 504 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:55.720 met this guy, right and you feel like he was 505 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:01.279 grassroots or you feel like it was a generation I. 506 00:27:01.279 --> 00:27:03.799 Not only think that it was generational. I think he 507 00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.599 was a mind control assassin style. He was let loose 508 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.680 from the Bridgewater Mental Hospital, the same Bridgewater Mental hospital 509 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:14.039 that my former stalker and want to be pr Rep 510 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:17.920 Buffalo Jared Riviza allegedly sits in today. He's another mind 511 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.599 controlled guy went on multi state killing spree. He sits 512 00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:23.079 in the same mental state out statemental hospital that let 513 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.200 Nathaniel bar Jonah loose to go. 514 00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:26.240 He told the judge. 515 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:29.440 He told numerous psychiatrists in nineteen ninety one. Bar Jonah 516 00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.359 did before they let him out of this joint that 517 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.839 he was going to murder, rape, murder and eat young children. 518 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.119 He told the judge, that judge that now you're good, dude, 519 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:38.960 you're good. The same guy to let Teddy Kennedy walk 520 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:41.640 from the tap of quittic situation. And you know what 521 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.119 Nathaniel bar Jonah did four weeks had to let him out. 522 00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.640 He kidnapped, attempted, he was in the process of raping 523 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.000 and was going to murder and eat that young boy. 524 00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:50.640 And they caught him. 525 00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:53.640 They gave him probation, and they shipped him off to 526 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:56.880 Great Falls, Montana, which has an identical profile if you're 527 00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.799 familiar with the Son of Sam and cold activity to 528 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:00.640 the Son of Sam minor situation. 529 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.599 Wow, do you think it's also a pattern because Randy 530 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:13.640 Craft Government cheese killer, he thank you? He also fits 531 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:20.880 the pattern of uh, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy in 532 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:24.240 the way that he just keeps getting away with it 533 00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.440 like they will caught him multiple times, like pretty much 534 00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.720 in the act, and he still will either get a 535 00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.960 slap on the wrist or he'll get probation. Randy Craft 536 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:40.960 got away with murdering young men and boys for a 537 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:46.039 decade and got caught several times and got let right 538 00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.400 back out on the street. JJ. 539 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:51.440 That can that's a pattern. No, that's you're spot on, 540 00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.200 that's a pattern. So Nathaniel bar Jonah in nineteen seventy 541 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.039 seven in Massachusetts, there he got arrested. This is what 542 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.279 put him in. They threw him in prison for twenty years. 543 00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.839 He got transferred to that mental institution, right, but he uh, 544 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:06.720 he did fourteen years I think him there before they 545 00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:07.200 let him out. 546 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:08.279 But he uh. 547 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.319 In nineteen seventy seven, he's arrested raping. They catch him 548 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:12.880 in the act of raping an eight year old boy 549 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.640 in his car and there's another eight year old boy 550 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.279 already that he already rapped half dead in the. 551 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.880 Trunk, and he got probation for that. 552 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:24.400 He got probation when he repeated that act in nineteen 553 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:24.920 ninety one. 554 00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.000 Oh my god. 555 00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:31.240 Yeah, Well, here's the deal. 556 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:33.640 That same judge that they can let him off in 557 00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:35.680 ninety one and gave him probation to let him out 558 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:38.440 of that mental institution. Is the same prosecutor like Teddy 559 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.000 Candy walk on the chap aquotic situation, right, you know, 560 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:43.839 decades prior, and the way I look at it is process. 561 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:47.640 People are going to process. Mm hmmm, h you know 562 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:48.039 what I mean. 563 00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:53.799 And you're you're you were in the military, right allegedly. 564 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:55.960 I'm kidding you. Twenty I did twenty years in the 565 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.400 Air Force, Military Police. 566 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.519 Okay, okay, So answer me this question too, right, because 567 00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.480 this is something that I find inconsistent with Randy Kraft's 568 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:08.759 story because he, much like a lot of the Laurel 569 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:14.119 Canyon cast of characters, was stationed at Edwards Air Force 570 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:19.720 Base right in southern California. He quickly rose to the 571 00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:23.640 rank of Airmen first class and a supervisor manager, and 572 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.759 he was in charge of pain test planes. Are you 573 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.839 familiar with what that might have been? 574 00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.720 Well, you got a lot of Nazis there. So Edwards 575 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.000 is part of Air Force Material Command. Air Force Material 576 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:39.359 Command was largely set up by Project the Project paper 577 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.839 Clip Nazis in the headquarters of which is at Ry 578 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:44.119 Patterson Air Force Base, where they would later run all 579 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.400 of their alien sy ops out of right, So there 580 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.240 is that is an interesting detail in the matter. I 581 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.200 would be I would also like to know the epicenter 582 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:56.920 of activity with one specific cult So when Parsons dies 583 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.559 in the whole Agape Lodger of the OTO in Pasadena 584 00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:02.839 kind of you know, splinters. He didn't actually found the 585 00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:05.559 Pasadena lodge. The founder of it was a different fellow, 586 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:10.200 and that fella ran off with parsons actual wife. Hubbard 587 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:13.240 ran off with parsons wife's girlfriend. They're all doing weird 588 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:14.559 sexual stuff. So who knows. 589 00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:16.680 But this is just I legally. 590 00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.480 Documented relationships I'm discussing. But then there's Marjorie Cameron that's 591 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.119 in the mix, right. She would go on to start 592 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:27.039 a different cult in Riverside County, California, right outside of 593 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.960 Edward's Air Force Base, right right near the administrative headquarters 594 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.759 of Scientology, right near Cabazon, Indian. 595 00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:36.480 JJ. 596 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:41.319 Right, So there's an. 597 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.720 Episode of activity there right with all that, With all 598 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.240 that stuff, they're like, that's not all happening independently and 599 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:47.240 around the same location. 600 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:51.279 Fuck No, especially not with like a bunch of the 601 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.119 Laurel Kenyon crew coming up out of Edward's Air Force Base, 602 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.079 you know, with their family and so and so. Keeping 603 00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:02.640 that in mind, what you just said, someone who is 604 00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:05.880 stationed at Edwards Air Force Base and there's supposed to 605 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:12.039 be a supervisor manager of testing of excuse me, painting 606 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:16.359 test planes. Would there ever be a time where they 607 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:20.839 would have gotten trained on what to do with dead 608 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:22.079 bodies and stuff? 609 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:25.920 No, but I'm glad you bring that up, because clearly 610 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.960 someone trained Edward when Edwards to be a highly skilled 611 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.599 and very disciplined assassin, and. 612 00:32:31.920 --> 00:32:34.119 Someone with Randy Craft. 613 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.440 Randy Craft, Yeah, Randy Craft, definitely your spot on me, 614 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.440 and he definitely got some similar training for sure with 615 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:43.759 the way he operates. It's it's evident, it's evident. Right again, 616 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.880 I'm starting to see patterns amongst all these folks. And 617 00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.519 and what I would argue is that that that title 618 00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.799 that you described him as is likely just to cover 619 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:52.400 cover cover, title cover. 620 00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.480 It has to be, right, it has to be because, 621 00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:00.039 like well I was gonna say when I describe a 622 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.839 couple of these victims and what he did to them, 623 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.680 I just don't Maybe I'm not a rocket science a 624 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.519 scientist JJ. 625 00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.440 But neither was Jack Parsons. But look what he achieved. 626 00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.680 Well hear me out. I just don't know when the 627 00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.839 proper disposal of a dead body would come up in 628 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:26.119 the painting test planes class, Like I are those two 629 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:30.400 things they do do they Is that like an elective 630 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:33.279 class you can take. I mean, like, what the fuck, 631 00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:34.680 how does he know this stuff? 632 00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:37.240 Well, I would say it's again something similar to the 633 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.440 reason why Edward. When Edwards continually gets issued the same 634 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.880 credentials and fake, fake IDs, passports and Social Security cards 635 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.920 under the name doctor James Garfield Langley, even before he 636 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.920 and after he gets out of state prison in Montana. 637 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:54.759 What I'm saying is we're dealing with similar programs of 638 00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:57.000 cover stories and cover ideas, and it's tough to discern 639 00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:00.680 the facts when we know that there's obvious subterfuge at hand. 640 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:06.680 Absolutely. Wait, I mean, so, I know you're gonna touch 641 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:14.400 on Marjorie Cameron right quick, but I did want to say. 642 00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:14.239 Oh, I was just gonna point out that cult. No, 643 00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:15.320 that's all I was gonna point out. 644 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:21.559 Was that cult oh oh outside of Edward's Air Force base. Yeah, yeah, 645 00:34:21.599 --> 00:34:23.639 with the sex magic and the yep. 646 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:26.199 Well, you were talking about the Laurel Canyon crowd. That's 647 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.840 precisely who she's associated with. So part of her cult 648 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.679 was Dean Stockwell, Kenneth Anger. This is the nineteen fifties, right, 649 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:34.840 So this is before Laurel Canyon. Right, So you have 650 00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.639 that same predecessor crowd, the Laurel Canyon scene and the 651 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:42.079 Manson family scene around this cult in Riverside County in 652 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:45.280 the post Agape Lodge. So Brent branching the two errors 653 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:48.440 right the forties, late thirties and forties to the sixties 654 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:52.639 is branched with Marjorie Cameron, Kenneth Anger, Dean Stockwell, the 655 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.320 actor I'm missing, oh, Dennis Hoppers involved in this, right 656 00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:56.800 m M. 657 00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:01.880 That is so so crazy and it has to be 658 00:35:01.960 --> 00:35:03.639 connected too because. 659 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:06.079 Look at the name the children. 660 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.119 Yeah, well, a. 661 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:11.519 Lot of connotations there, right. 662 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:16.519 Yeah. So I was gonna say, Randy Kraft, and I 663 00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:18.719 wanted to get your thoughts on this. He only served 664 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:24.079 thirteen months and he was supposedly discharged on medical grounds 665 00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:27.760 because he told his supervisors that he was gay. Do 666 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.039 you find that credible? 667 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.519 Well, that would have been the disposition of that activity 668 00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:32.840 for sure. 669 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:33.119 Yeah. 670 00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:34.719 I mean if you told him that even when I 671 00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:37.840 first joined before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell 672 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:43.320 on to SERRA two thousand and nine or ten, and yeah, 673 00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.079 have you said that, you would just immediately get it. 674 00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:46.920 You would get a general discharger. Yah, that's how they 675 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:47.360 would do it. 676 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.239 But do you find that it could be just like 677 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.719 a likely cover to send him on his merry murdering way. 678 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.119 Well, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's I don't 679 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.280 think they're mutually exclusive. It could be both. It can 680 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:00.679 me both. 681 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.599 Let's take a quick note here before I take this 682 00:36:04.679 --> 00:36:07.000 on the screen. Note Julia and the repeating patterns we 683 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:09.880 see here. So, while in Mexico, and this is the fifties, 684 00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:12.760 Marjorie Cameron began doing blood rituals in the hopes of 685 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.159 communicating with Parsons. And then you'll see when she heard 686 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.360 the unidentified flying object had allegedly been seen over Washington, 687 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.800 DC Capitol Building, she considered a response to parsons death. 688 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:24.880 So this is what I mean by these people are 689 00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.679 all doing Thelemit rituals, blood rituals, and they're also ancient 690 00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:28.679 Ilian cargo cults. 691 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:37.880 Yeah, they are. Oh my god. So maybe he was 692 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.440 dismissed because he was gay. I actually think it's a cover. 693 00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.760 I think I think that's what I'm saying. 694 00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.000 It's both right, it's a convenient way to shitcoat it 695 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.280 because he is obviously an ardent homosexual and the Sado 696 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:51.079 massachist of that. 697 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.639 Mm hmm. And what makes it interesting to me is 698 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.920 because Government Cheese was said to be a brilliant genius 699 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:04.159 study had a high IQ. That's his name, man, that's that's. 700 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:04.519 I love it. 701 00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:06.480 No, that's gonna be the title. I'm gonna put that 702 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.920 in the title Mind Control Murders and Government Cheese. 703 00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.360 Yes. So he was said to have like the super 704 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:16.440 high IQ. And after his time in the military, he 705 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:22.840 immediately found employee with an aerospace program y and he 706 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.840 worked for this aerospace firm for the majority of the 707 00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.639 time that he was ripping and running through dude's buttholes. 708 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.079 So a lot of rip, a lot of ripping, a 709 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:37.199 lot of running, but he keep he kept getting away 710 00:37:37.280 --> 00:37:41.000 with it, like he would be caught in the act 711 00:37:41.159 --> 00:37:45.320 JJ of some of the most debaucherous shit you can imagine, 712 00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:48.239 and they'd be like eh, and they would just let 713 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:53.079 let him go or give him a probation or or 714 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:53.960 nothing at all. 715 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.760 Same thing we see with Ed Edwards as pal Charles Manson. 716 00:37:57.800 --> 00:37:59.440 The same thing we see with Ted Bundy when he 717 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:03.320 escapes per goes to airports and gets an airline ticket 718 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:04.280 under his name Ted. 719 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:09.119 Bundy, Well, right, right, so okay. 720 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.559 Nothing like excame prison, being wanted by the Feds and 721 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:13.039 state police and being like, you know, I'm gonna go 722 00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:14.559 get a book an airline ticket under. 723 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:14.840 My own name. 724 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.639 Yeah, because he knew just like I think government cheese. 725 00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.039 And actually Jeffrey Dahmer because that night that one little 726 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.960 boy is sipped and the police returned to that victim 727 00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.000 right back up to his apartment and was just like, 728 00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:32.800 enjoy your butt sex and like left or whatever. 729 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:34.519 Enjoy them rip some runs. 730 00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:37.360 So what you're putting out here, if I may, is 731 00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.760 you're pointing out a pattern of behavior here where this 732 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.079 is repeating pattern behavior. They're always let out and stuff, 733 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:44.480 and you'll see that and the reaction of these individuals 734 00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.760 when they are finally arrested, they are utterly shocked and 735 00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.920 in all because they've been allowed to operate with impunity murdering, 736 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.800 ripping and running buttholes and stealing the shit and doing 737 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.480 hood rat shit for so long. When they're finally busted, 738 00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:59.880 they don't understand it because they've been allowed to do 739 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.639 these things under some sort of mission in operation. 740 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.679 JJU stole the words right out of my mouth because 741 00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:08.119 when I tell you how Randy Kraft got caught, You're 742 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.360 gonna shit your pants, and like, how how shocked he 743 00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.800 was that he even got caught, because every. 744 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:17.440 Time, every time, every fucking time. 745 00:39:18.239 --> 00:39:20.800 So the first victim that he got caught with was 746 00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.960 a thirteen year old little boy. He found him, took 747 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.599 him back to his apartment, gave him an overdose of drugs, 748 00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:31.960 raped him, beat him, and then he left for work. 749 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:35.079 And somehow this little boy got out, made his way 750 00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.800 to an emergency room. He told the police where to 751 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.840 go to the apartment. This little boy had to get 752 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.400 his stomach pumped, he had to get all types of 753 00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.599 medical treatment. And the little boy was like, yes, this 754 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.840 man drugged me and raped me and beat me, and 755 00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:53.760 there was no charges ever filed against him. That was 756 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:55.800 his first victim, a thirteen year old boy. 757 00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:58.920 Oh shit, So that sounds all like Michael Locino in 758 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:02.639 the Presidio incident, when a young a young female victim 759 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:06.559 identified intimate details of the inside decorations and furniture of 760 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:09.119 his home, let alone identifying him as Mikey in the 761 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:11.440 base PX And yet no charges. 762 00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:15.800 Right, no charges, no, And and it keeps it keeps 763 00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:18.280 going like that. And what you'll find is he actually 764 00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:23.039 killed about seventy young men and boys over his ripping 765 00:40:23.119 --> 00:40:28.800 and running Butthole's career, and the majority of them were 766 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.800 United States Marine Corps officers. 767 00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:33.360 I saw that, dude. 768 00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:37.360 Yeah, he's even operating on some of these barracks installations. 769 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:38.360 Who's letting him on there? 770 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:40.719 Who's not letting him? Thank you? 771 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:41.880 Yeah? 772 00:40:42.039 --> 00:40:44.039 I was an MP in the Air Force for twenty years, ma'am. 773 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.199 You ain't getting on a base unless you fucking know 774 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:47.360 some shit and people. 775 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.400 You have to have at least a cat card, some 776 00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:50.639 shit something. 777 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:53.719 Yeah. Yeah, let me shure you. If you do some 778 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.679 weird shit around some barracks, folks are going to call 779 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:57.000 that in, you know what I mean. And you got 780 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.519 to know some ship to people to make sure nothing happens, 781 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.480 you know, I mean to have some top cover, if 782 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:03.000 you will, right right. 783 00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.679 My ex husband worked out an Air Force base and 784 00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.519 it was hard to even let me get in because 785 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.800 we would go to like the bowling alley and stuff sometimes, and. 786 00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:13.639 The security forces guys were dicks. 787 00:41:13.679 --> 00:41:18.440 Huh yeah, they were so. I mean, I find it 788 00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:20.639 interesting that he was able to get to these Marine 789 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.679 Corps officers so easily. He killed a bunch of Marine Corps. 790 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.480 Yeah, it seems almost targeted, right, Marine Corps. 791 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.000 Yeah don't. I don't think that's an accident at all. 792 00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:34.119 Yeah, I mean he could just be like I really 793 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.079 like Marines, where someone could be like, this is who 794 00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:36.679 they're targeting. 795 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.960 And again, and I'll look into it. 796 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:40.840 I haven't gotten a chance to yet because I'm really 797 00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.719 interested in the victimology and who these victims are and 798 00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:45.000 where they come from. Obviously, because I'll give you another 799 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:46.880 example here in the moment when we get back to 800 00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:50.079 some more tales of Laural Canyon with Leno la Bianca 801 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:53.559 in his background, because that's fucking interesting relative to matters 802 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:56.840 of Edwards Air Force Base and whatnot. But nonetheless, it 803 00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.159 is the victims. I think these are our targeted things. 804 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:01.480 And again, when your tail with all these Marine Corps officers, 805 00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.159 you have to ask, what the fuck is really going 806 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:04.480 on there? 807 00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.519 What do you think about this in relation to the 808 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:14.840 information you brought up about the the uh what is 809 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:17.760 it like a cult that was right outside of Edward's 810 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.639 Air Force Base or it was what would you call it? 811 00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.119 Yeah, I don't know their exact location. 812 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:29.559 I just know they were in Riverside, California, and the 813 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.119 same location as Ewards Air Force Base, and the same 814 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:38.360 locations is the administrative worldwide headquarters of the Scientologists. 815 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.639 Well, what would you call it? Like a religious sect, 816 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.440 a cult? Huh? 817 00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:45.440 I would call it an offshoot of Thelma. It was 818 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.480 an offshoot of the Gopy Lodge of the Ato. 819 00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:51.000 Okay, because I meant I saw that it mentioned sex 820 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:53.559 magic in there and like a bunch of weird stuff. 821 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:59.320 So what do you think about Randy Kraft ritualizing his 822 00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.000 victim in like a specific way? What would what would 823 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:03.719 you think about that? 824 00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.440 Well, I'm I'm glad you said that. 825 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.320 And again this is this is an offshoot of the 826 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:11.000 Yappe logist is Jack Parson's wife ex wife, you know, 827 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:14.079 he his second wife there, Marjorie Cameron. So and you 828 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.719 can see here even in writings from Gerald Yorke here 829 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:19.639 from Wicked Folks, right, he's talking about the Lima stuff, 830 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.159 because the Wicked stuff all, it's all Wicka is an 831 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.000 offshoot of Thelema as well. And they all they all 832 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.559 embrace Crowley. They're all talking about we love Carola. Here 833 00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:29.719 we go and speaking of embrace, embracing his THELEMI beliefs. 834 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.840 So we see that over and over again. 835 00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:32.119 Again. 836 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.039 This is an offshoot. So we were talking about the 837 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:39.000 sado masochistic uh rape and torture, especially of males. That 838 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.480 is right out of Crowley. And I'll bring up a 839 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.960 quote in the moment, but that you're spot on with 840 00:43:44.039 --> 00:43:47.039 this is Craft's activities are fucking thelemic as shit if 841 00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:48.920 you asked me so. 842 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:55.199 For example, one of his signatures was that he would 843 00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.400 burn the victim's eyeballs out with the car cigarette lighter. 844 00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.079 He would bite their nipples off, he would shove ballpoint 845 00:44:05.159 --> 00:44:10.480 pins down their penis holes, and he would he would 846 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:17.559 cut and he would literally right, but he would he 847 00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.920 would rape them obviously in the bee hole, and then 848 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:24.760 he would cut their penis and ball bag off and 849 00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:28.159 then he would a sock up the bee hole. That's 850 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.400 how he ended up getting caught. Is his signature was 851 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:32.559 a sock up the bee hole. 852 00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:35.840 So what do you. 853 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:44.920 What do you think about it? But I have heard them, well, 854 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.519 what what do you think of it in regards to ritualism, 855 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:51.199 because this is this goes beyond like, oh, this guy 856 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:53.599 just like strangled some dudes and like threw him out 857 00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:55.440 on the side of the road. This is going to 858 00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:01.159 the next level of inhuman debauchery. 859 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.320 Well, yeah, Julie, you're spot on, man. Look at the 860 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.199 West Memphis three victims and the mutilation of those of 861 00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:09.960 their genitals. So and again we look back at the 862 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.360 statements of Alistair Curley and these people who are adhere 863 00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.360 to them. And Alistair Curley believed there were three forms 864 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:20.119 of sex magic autoerotic, heterosexual, and homosexual. He claimed that 865 00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.320 by performing specific so specific sexual rituals for different things 866 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.440 is how I take it right. He claimed that by 867 00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:34.519 performing specific sexual rituals, including sato massochistic sex rituals on 868 00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:43.559 young boys, one could achieve financial gains and personal success. Further, 869 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:47.639 for the mutilation in genitals, the sadomasochistic acts of burning 870 00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:49.519 things nipples and biten. 871 00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:51.519 Shit off and bhole socks of b holes. 872 00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.360 And whatnot, look no further than the motivations of the 873 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.199 people that they of the religion they claim. 874 00:45:56.320 --> 00:46:01.320 Right, it has to be, because it's like, there are 875 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.880 a lot of things that make me think that this 876 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.360 is very similar to Ted Bundy and to Jeffrey Dahmer, 877 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.480 because Jeffrey Dahmer did a lot of weird stuff with 878 00:46:10.519 --> 00:46:13.679 the genitals. He did a lot of weird stuff about 879 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:18.519 like hacking and slashing and eating and cannibalizing and like 880 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:23.480 keeping parts for later. And you know Ted Bundy was 881 00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:27.719 a necrophile and he was doing a bunch of weird 882 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.119 stuff like this, and it's like why, we're why. It's 883 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:34.480 like they go beyond just killing the person. They're like 884 00:46:34.519 --> 00:46:38.079 shoving socks up bee holes, they're cutting penises and ball 885 00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.239 bag off, they're people's eyes out, Like what is this, 886 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.119 j jas Well, it's. 887 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:45.840 It's the whole hog effect as I explained it. 888 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:47.800 Man, it's the it's the they're going to get the 889 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:50.639 most utility out of out of the situation. So not 890 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.800 only is it ritual human sacrifice following the seemingly the 891 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.719 words of Curly they're and uh, not only is it 892 00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.280 probably hits in many of these instances, it's all also 893 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.960 causes chaos and terror processed Church style and accordance with 894 00:47:04.079 --> 00:47:07.840 Eric Trist Tavistock's Social Turbulence paper from nineteen sixty three, 895 00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:11.159 which seems to indicate precisely the outline and framework of 896 00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:14.559 what the process does in trist In the process invaded 897 00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.320 America at the same time, and back to Laurel Canyon, 898 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:20.000 Eric Trist the founder of Tavistock and writer of the 899 00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:23.559 Social Turbulence, the philosophy of causing chaos and terror on 900 00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.280 a society in which to mold it. Would then go 901 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.719 to UCLA. His son would become the manager in music 902 00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.920 publishing company president of the Grateful Dead, And I would 903 00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:36.280 argue this goes in line with Bill Colby's folks and 904 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:39.920 his machinations of Operation Gladio to achieve the same goals. 905 00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.880 And we look at folks like Michael Aquino, who was 906 00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:45.599 a Colby queer. That's what it's working title. All of 907 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:47.760 Colby's people. I'm calling them Colby queer's not because of 908 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.400 their sexual natures, even though that may be the case, 909 00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.800 but because they're strange and unusual. And we have a 910 00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:56.239 hard time explaining these matters in our day and age 911 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.400 and relating to whatever the fuck's going on, because these 912 00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.440 people have made it intentionally strange and unusual and hard 913 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:04.519 to explain. But if Dave McGowan was alive today, he 914 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.519 claimed that Bill Colby brought Project Phoenix home and that 915 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:10.159 was the Serial Killers. And if he was alive today, 916 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:11.639 I think he would adapt the same thing that I'm 917 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.360 saying right now and say that What they did was 918 00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.199 with that is built a Satanic framework what's called Satanic 919 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.480 murder Ink. So in order to get folks to do 920 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:21.400 hoodrat shit, you got to have a framework in which 921 00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.519 to recruit folks and operate within this network. So they 922 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:26.800 built a Satanic Murder Inc. Network through these Satanic cults, 923 00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.800 beginning in nineteen sixty six with a colby queer Michael Aquina. 924 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.960 Now he would argue that he doesn't join the Church 925 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.719 of Satan until sometime between sixty seven and sixty nine, 926 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:38.719 which I'm narrowing down and I've got five different dates 927 00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:40.639 as due claims he first meets Levey and then later 928 00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.519 joins the Church of Satan. What I'm saying is he's 929 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:44.920 bullshitting on all of them. He was there from day one. 930 00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.679 Because this is much like the Mafia's murdering. This is 931 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:50.079 Satanic murder Inc. And they're going to do their hood 932 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:51.679 rat shit the same way, but they're going to use 933 00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:54.719 this framework of Satanism in which to accomplish it. And 934 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:58.480 that's why we see in McGowan's program to kill folks 935 00:48:58.519 --> 00:49:01.199 like Richard Ramirez getting a one on one with Anton 936 00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.280 Levey and San Francisco before his terror campaign in Los. 937 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:10.639 Angeles too much? That's too much, right, So what would 938 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.239 you say about I wanted to kind of like touch 939 00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:20.199 on something you mentioned just now, what would you say 940 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.599 about these guys are kind of mixing business with pleasure 941 00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.079 because they wouldn't do it if they didn't enjoy to 942 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.239 some degree as well. 943 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:30.679 Well, they're not mutually exclusive. 944 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:32.400 So let's take a look at Edward Wyn Edwards I 945 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:34.880 said he got picked up in Portland in nineteen sixty 946 00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.559 for lovers lane. I said he was probably most likely 947 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.920 and a likely probability is the guy like Berrys and 948 00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:45.840 the Zodiac mask in September sixty nine. He He also 949 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.400 is convicted of doing two different lovers lane murders, one 950 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.719 in Wisconsin in eighty and one in Ohio in nineteen 951 00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:52.360 seventy seven. 952 00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.119 So what I'm saying is it doesn't have to murder 953 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:56.679 folks in lovers lanes. It's it's not. 954 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.880 What you're saying is they're not mutually exclusive. They're not 955 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:02.159 business and pleasure. He mixed both. So that's what that's 956 00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:03.679 what I mean by the whole hog effect, And it 957 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.559 is a bit so. Not only is it the whole 958 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:09.079 hog effect, economically speaking, ritually speaking, they're gonna achieve whatever 959 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:12.480 they can personally speaking. So Ed didn't know his father. 960 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:15.199 He was a product of a one night stand in 961 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.639 the x seat of a car, and his mother went 962 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.440 to prison immediately thereafter, and he had a lot of 963 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.719 other issues with this. He was identified of being a 964 00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:24.679 psychopath at the age of thirteen, and the root of 965 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.400 his psychopathy was this issue with his parents in this 966 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:28.679 lover's land situation in. 967 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:29.239 The back of a car. 968 00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.760 So, look how Ed achieves all of his murders in life, 969 00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.199 all overwhelming majority, it seems a lot of them. He 970 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:36.760 targets his victims, but then targets them to do them 971 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:40.280 in a chaos terror event and a ritualistic human sacrifice, 972 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.199 but chooses to do that in a lover's lane because 973 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.000 that seeks his that achieves his personal ends. 974 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:49.360 Right, Does that make sense? 975 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.000 Yes? It does, it does. And that's what I kind 976 00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:56.840 of see with Randy Kraft because it's, like I said before, 977 00:50:56.920 --> 00:51:03.400 the level he goes to destroying the body and the raping, 978 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:08.599 and like the shoven ballpoint pins up up the penis 979 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:13.559 to then still cut the penis off. It's like it's 980 00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.519 too much, Okay. 981 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:18.360 I like wh ma'am, because that's exactly how I read 982 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.119 it when I looked into this too. It's the same shit. 983 00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.239 He really enjoys that right he has to. 984 00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.239 And you know, there was another instance where there was 985 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.840 this guy, uh, what's his name? I think his name? Yeah, 986 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:37.039 it's Keith Crotwell was the victim. And even though the 987 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:41.960 police literally caught him in the act, he had taken 988 00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.639 this boy and drove around with him. And then the 989 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.079 next day they found his body in a jetty close 990 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.639 to where he was last seen and he had been decapitated. 991 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.599 He had a sock in the bee hole, he had 992 00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:57.719 all the markers that he was brought in for questioning, 993 00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:02.960 and the Los Angeles District Attorney office said, nah, I 994 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.480 don't think it's him, and let him go. And if 995 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.519 they would have done their job, they would have prevented 996 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:12.880 another like thirty to forty men and boys getting murdered. 997 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:15.360 Was this big leosi. 998 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.199 So it didn't list the name, it just said the 999 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.760 Los Angeles District Attorney's Office at the time of the 1000 00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:33.639 crime declined pressing charges against Craft, citing that the autopsy 1001 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:38.920 remains were inconclusive. Even though this little boy had been 1002 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.639 seen in Randy Craft's car by several witnesses, and Randy 1003 00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:48.159 Craft himself had said that, yes, he had been driving 1004 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.679 around with him all night, and even though he had 1005 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.199 a sock in the booty hole and was decapitated and 1006 00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.920 all this shit, the Los Angeles District Attorney's office did 1007 00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.639 not want to press charges against him. 1008 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.719 And this was nineteenth one, this. 1009 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:05.400 Was nineteen seventy five. 1010 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.719 Oh well, Vincent Bigleyosi left in seventy two. 1011 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:12.280 Okay, so it must have been a different guy. Do 1012 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.920 you know who took excuse me, do you know who 1013 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:15.400 took over? 1014 00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:19.599 I'm looking that up right now. 1015 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.840 I know Charles Manson's personal friend, Ira Reiner did not 1016 00:53:22.880 --> 00:53:24.360 get elected until nineteen eighty four. 1017 00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:30.719 So whoever this middleman was in between those two literally 1018 00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:34.559 let Randy Kraft walk even though he had clearly decapitated 1019 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:41.039 in booty whole. SoC Yeah, another young man. Interesting and 1020 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:46.360 it's like he if they would have, if they would 1021 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:49.840 have pressed charges against him, because there was plenty of evidence, 1022 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:55.960 they would have saved at least thirty more boys from dying, 1023 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:57.159 but they didn't. 1024 00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.639 Yeah, I keep saying anything about nothing. 1025 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.320 Uh bar Jonah, I'm like you know that that processing 1026 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.480 and Judge you let Ted Kennedy walk as a special 1027 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.480 prosecutor and chapiquick if he didn't let Nathaniel bar Jona 1028 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:12.159 out for Lord Nathaniel barr jon had told the judge, 1029 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.599 I'm gonna he says, he says he's gonna kill, rape, 1030 00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.920 murder and eat children. And the guys said, yeah, you're 1031 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:18.599 you know, well, you're joking, right, even though he'd already 1032 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.039 done that five times before, or attempted to murder, and 1033 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.760 he'd he'd raped young boys and found and you know 1034 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.159 again found one nearly murdered in his trunk. 1035 00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:28.559 That's got him in the prison, you know. 1036 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:30.760 So, yeah, he wasn't joking when he told the judge 1037 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.440 and judge, yeah, you're joking right. So had they not 1038 00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:36.000 done that and had and then four weeks later, had 1039 00:54:36.000 --> 00:54:38.880 they not give him probation when he reoffended you know, 1040 00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:43.719 a ten year old Zachary Ramsey that was kidnapped and 1041 00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:48.840 numerous eyewitnesses saw bar Jonah with him, an unregistered and 1042 00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.880 non sex offender who was not reporting to his probation 1043 00:54:51.960 --> 00:54:55.519 officers speaking of accountability, and numerous eye witnesses see him 1044 00:54:55.519 --> 00:54:57.519 with him in nineteen ninety six. In December of ninety 1045 00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.400 six and Great Falls, Montana, the town I look my 1046 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.000 first assigned in the Air Force in the town I 1047 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.039 lived in for three years. So I know, folks, I 1048 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.320 know all these stories from first hand accounts and whatnot, 1049 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:08.159 not just from reports on the interwebs and whatnot. And 1050 00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:10.719 again I came face to face with Nathaniel bar Jona 1051 00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:12.559 in two thousand and one. I saw pure eval And 1052 00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:15.360 in two thousand he may have served me human meat 1053 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:17.360 burgers at the local heart is where he worked. But 1054 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:21.159 I argue that had anyone done anything, Zachary Rams and 1055 00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.199 the other children would not have been rape, murdered and 1056 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:25.559 eaten by Nathaniel Barjona. 1057 00:55:25.719 --> 00:55:29.000 Isn't that The saddest part is like how many victims 1058 00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:33.880 could have been saved? But it was clearly an orchestrated 1059 00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:36.840 attempt to get this guy back out on the street. 1060 00:55:38.320 --> 00:55:40.199 I say the same thing, man, And they always claim 1061 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:43.239 matters of national security like a kino, like the finders 1062 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.159 and so on and so forth, of matters we've never 1063 00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.079 even heard of, because they've deemed it matters of national security. 1064 00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.679 Well, something else you might find interesting is that government 1065 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:57.119 Cheese kept a scorecard book, which is why he became 1066 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:02.639 known as the scorecard Killer. But he detail seventy victims 1067 00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.440 on his scorecard that he murdered, raped, and put socks 1068 00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:12.320 in their bee holes. And he also had photographs, not polaroids, 1069 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:17.119 photographs of all of his victims, and they couldn't find 1070 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:21.800 where he was getting his photographs developed. And at several 1071 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:24.880 of the crime scenes there were two sets of footprints 1072 00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:28.119 in the sand or in the dirt nearby where the 1073 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.519 victim was found, alluding to the fact that he definitely 1074 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.960 had an accomplice. So very much like Sun of Sam, 1075 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:41.559 very much like Zodiac Government Cheese most likely had an accomplice, 1076 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.679 somebody who was developing these photos for him, somebody who 1077 00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:49.119 was helping him dispose of bodies, probably somebody helping him 1078 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.000 with the murders and rapes as well, because you know, 1079 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.679 he was said to push his victims out of a 1080 00:56:56.760 --> 00:57:00.880 moving vehicle going over fifty miles an hour down the freeway. 1081 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.039 So that was that move, that was his move. 1082 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:07.719 That, yeah, but it doesn't seem likely because some of 1083 00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.840 these guys were like to over two hundred pounds and 1084 00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:14.039 he's gonna what, open the door, push him out, close 1085 00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:19.880 the door, all while driving all seeing him you know, it's. 1086 00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:23.719 Just like, what if he drugged him first. 1087 00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:26.199 You well, they were they were dead by the time 1088 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:27.039 he pushed him out. 1089 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.039 Oh, well, it's possible. I don't know. I just they ought. 1090 00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.239 These sick fantasies are intriguing. So bar Jonah would would 1091 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:36.400 incapacitate his young child victims by he was a three 1092 00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.480 hundred pound man. He would just start sitting and bouncing 1093 00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:39.360 up and down their chest. 1094 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:40.679 Mmm. 1095 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.639 So everything you just described about the details of Brandy Kraft, 1096 00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:49.480 his mode of operations, and profile all applied to Nathaniel 1097 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:52.239 bar Jones activities in Great Falls, Montana from nineteen ninety 1098 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:53.119 six to two thousand. 1099 00:57:54.559 --> 00:57:56.800 Well, I'm finding that there are a lot of these 1100 00:57:56.840 --> 00:58:02.800 guys that fit this exact mold, that are almost kind 1101 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:09.400 of like obscure in a way, because until I mentioned 1102 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.639 this guy to you, you had never heard about him. 1103 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.519 But until I mentioned Paniel bar Jonah to you, had 1104 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:16.400 you heard of him. 1105 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:18.280 I had never heard of him. 1106 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:20.679 And these are And that's what I'm saying. So we 1107 00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:22.400 both are now presenting two different examples. 1108 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:23.079 We both have done a lot. 1109 00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:24.559 What I'm getting at, Maname, is we've both done a 1110 00:58:24.559 --> 00:58:27.320 lot of studying the mind control of SaaS as the 1111 00:58:27.320 --> 00:58:30.519 serial killers and all these sick bastards were describing here, 1112 00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:33.239 and we both now have presented two examples from both 1113 00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:35.400 ends where we hadn't heard of these folks, right, but 1114 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:38.039 we're all seeing the same patterns still regardless. So then 1115 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.239 it also caused me to wonder how many more of 1116 00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.920 these folks have we not identified the same patterns of 1117 00:58:42.960 --> 00:58:45.920 in our't household names, like the you know, the ones 1118 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.679 we've already identified, or you know, like the scorecard killer 1119 00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:51.079 who I'm I had never heard of, and you know what, 1120 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:54.159 I'm gonna call him the Hardy's cannibal, whom you had. 1121 00:58:54.000 --> 00:58:54.519 Never heard of? 1122 00:58:55.519 --> 00:58:58.000 Right, we have government cheese and Hardy's cannaburg. 1123 00:58:58.079 --> 00:58:59.960 Yeah, my bad yet government cheese. 1124 00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:06.320 I mean, it's just it. They're they're two peas in. 1125 00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:09.960 A pod and like, no, seriously, yeah. 1126 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:12.639 They have so much in common. And like with with 1127 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:17.639 government cheese, not only is he getting onto marine bases, 1128 00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:22.039 he's getting onto like Al Toro Marine Air Air Base. 1129 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.280 He's getting onto like I could go on and on 1130 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:28.960 JJ there's literally he was just ripping and running through 1131 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:34.000 the Marine Corps. Nobody's nobody's no, nobody's noticing, like these 1132 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.000 guys are just turning up dead with socks and their 1133 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:38.519 be holes, and like nobody's put into and two together 1134 00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:40.679 seventy dead bodies later. 1135 00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:43.400 And didn't he dump some of them on some of 1136 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:48.800 these military installations, yes, yea, yeah, then that causes the 1137 00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:52.920 jurisdictional situation where now the military police are not in 1138 00:59:52.960 --> 00:59:53.480 orient too. 1139 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:58.320 Yes, And so like this whole time, as I said before, 1140 00:59:58.360 --> 01:00:02.039 he's working for this aerospace firm, and every single time 1141 01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:05.800 he is sent out on business quote unquote, it's to 1142 01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:10.519 the it's to the Portland Seattle area. And when he 1143 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:15.840 goes on business quote unquote, five to ten more victims 1144 01:00:15.880 --> 01:00:18.440 show up on the side of the road with socks 1145 01:00:18.440 --> 01:00:20.880 and their bee holes and their penis and ball bags 1146 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:28.320 sliced off. And he literally raped, murdered, and dismembered young 1147 01:00:28.400 --> 01:00:32.679 men and boys from California all the way to Portland, 1148 01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.440 all the way to Seattle. And he did this, like 1149 01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.960 I said, for for a decade and just nobody noticed. 1150 01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.119 That seems unlikely as fuck to me. 1151 01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.480 But I mean, let me let me give you two 1152 01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.920 follow up points here real quick. So in regards to 1153 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.199 not only a government cheese and his dad, well, Nathaniel 1154 01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.119 Barr Jones family lived. His father and mother lived in 1155 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:58.639 Great Falls, Montana, despite being from you know, near the 1156 01:00:58.679 --> 01:00:59.960 Boston suburbs, massa jusets. 1157 01:01:01.079 --> 01:01:02.920 They lived there because of the Air Force base. His 1158 01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.679 father worked there. 1159 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.440 He was in the retired Air Force and in the 1160 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:08.639 aerospace industry much like government cheese and his father right. So, 1161 01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:11.440 and on top of that, when we talk about the 1162 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.719 military investigators and police down there ignoring all these things, 1163 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:19.519 that ncis Naval Criminal Investigative Service for those marine installations, 1164 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.800 and the and the marine MPs on the base both 1165 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:26.320 ignoring these things. When we look at this circumstances compared 1166 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:29.760 to other again establishing patterns. I have seen the Air 1167 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:33.360 Force Office of Special Investigations report on the murder, well 1168 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.880 the quote unquote suicide of John Carr, to state that 1169 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:40.840 I know it exists, and I know they forwent any 1170 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:43.880 jurisdiction on the matter and allowed the local sheriff's department 1171 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.880 to investigate it despite being on proprietary jurisdiction on the 1172 01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:47.639 Air Force base. 1173 01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:49.719 Damn. 1174 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.480 So they wrote a report on it. But then they 1175 01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:54.599 look the other way. 1176 01:01:56.079 --> 01:02:00.199 Of course, they all that that's what they do. It's 1177 01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:04.920 like their modus operandi. That's how they work. 1178 01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:07.920 And since I told that story about the Air Air Force, 1179 01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:09.599 and I don't want it because that's a very the 1180 01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:12.280 whole son of sand community. That's a wild bunch. But 1181 01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:14.519 I don't have a copy of the report. I went 1182 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:16.480 to grad school in Washington, d C. When I was 1183 01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.199 at station there, and I went to grad school with 1184 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.840 an Air Force office with special special Investigations. They're they're 1185 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:25.480 one of their chief and listed people at their headquarters 1186 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:28.159 there in DC. He was my classmate for eighteen months, 1187 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.199 and he always wanted to be my friend. So he's 1188 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:32.599 always bring me in different reports. You know every week 1189 01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:34.960 when we we we would come in for a weekly class, 1190 01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:37.280 right you know, to get you know, like three at 1191 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:39.800 four hours every Thursday. It was a fucking hell of 1192 01:02:39.800 --> 01:02:42.760 a schedule. Four hours ever, like every Thursday night, so 1193 01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:44.239 from like six pm to ten pm. 1194 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:45.199 You know, it was shitty. 1195 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:49.039 But nonetheless, uh, he would bring me in all these 1196 01:02:49.079 --> 01:02:51.079 different reports over those eighteen you know, after about six 1197 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:52.320 months when I meet just tell me to go fuck 1198 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.480 off because the guy was a tool, you know, and 1199 01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:57.360 I was I had I don't know anyway, you know, 1200 01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:59.039 he wanted to be my friend, He's always bring me reports. 1201 01:02:59.039 --> 01:03:00.519 So at one point in time, and I wasn't into 1202 01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:02.039 any of the son of Sam, I wasn't into any 1203 01:03:02.079 --> 01:03:05.559 of the shit. This is two thousand and eleven right 1204 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.800 twenty twelve, late t eleven to twenty twelve, that time period, 1205 01:03:10.239 --> 01:03:11.840 you know. But one time he did bring me that report, 1206 01:03:11.840 --> 01:03:13.639 and you know, I didn't even un grasp a lot 1207 01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:15.480 of the details, and I remember a lot of the details. 1208 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.480 But what I said to him was why the fuck 1209 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:19.519 did they give up jurisdiction on this case? And he 1210 01:03:19.599 --> 01:03:23.880 just shrugged his shoulders. That was me because again, it 1211 01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:25.880 makes no sense to me right looking the other way 1212 01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:29.159 in a matter like that. They have proprietary jurisdiction, meaning 1213 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:31.360 they can tell anyone else to go fuck off. They 1214 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:33.400 don't share jurisdiction with anybody that's on an Air Force, 1215 01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:37.800 federal installation and federal property. 1216 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.559 I mean JJ. The thing to me too, is like 1217 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.920 they came up with this theory that government Cheese was 1218 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.719 putting the socks in the bee hole because he had 1219 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.480 military background, and he was doing that to prevent the 1220 01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:58.519 body from purging before he could get it dumped at 1221 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.280 the dump site. And that was something that they would 1222 01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:05.159 teach people in the military. They also found that most 1223 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.280 of the victims had tissue papers shoved down their throats 1224 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:12.199 and in their nostrils. But again, when would he have 1225 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.440 learned this when he only served for thirteen months and 1226 01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:18.519 all he did was paint test planes? Like when does 1227 01:04:18.599 --> 01:04:21.719 that come up in the in the painting class, like 1228 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:26.440 fucking putting socks and be holes and putting tissue paper 1229 01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:28.760 down the throat and doing all that, Like when would 1230 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:30.639 that have come up? When would that have been a 1231 01:04:30.719 --> 01:04:34.039 necessary skill to learn to paint a plane? Like am 1232 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:34.800 I retarded? 1233 01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:37.400 Or like you know, I'm glad you picked up on that, 1234 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:39.679 because obviously he was trained in which to do that 1235 01:04:39.719 --> 01:04:43.559 to avoid evidence being disseminated at locations when you're druyk 1236 01:04:44.159 --> 01:04:46.840 transporting a dead body to a dump site. So Edward 1237 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.440 and Edwards didn't do the same stock buttole routine, but 1238 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:53.079 he was trained in similar activities. He has framed so 1239 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:55.000 many people from murder over the years. Every murder that 1240 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:59.639 ed committed, he would frame somebody for it. Everyone do 1241 01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:02.639 so by planning evidence, everyone, and he's documented in it. 1242 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:07.039 He's he's documented in in uh In, in Narket, murdering 1243 01:05:07.079 --> 01:05:10.039 folks and then informing to the police and the FBI 1244 01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:13.199 on folks that he murdered, and then testifying against the 1245 01:05:13.199 --> 01:05:15.199 folks that he set up on more than one occasion. 1246 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.800 Mother someone trained him out to do these things, plant 1247 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:22.039 the evidence. And really what he's doing is the same 1248 01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:24.320 thing Mark Furman did in the OJ case, blowing up 1249 01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:27.199 the case from every ankle on both sides, because what 1250 01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:31.519 Ed's doing is causing such chaos and discord amongst so 1251 01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.079 law enforcement. In large part, I think they're dumb. I 1252 01:05:34.119 --> 01:05:35.880 think some of them are co opted. I think some 1253 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.079 of them are cult members. But in large part what 1254 01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:42.199 most of them are just ignorant and or you know, 1255 01:05:42.440 --> 01:05:45.079 buying into the magic shows that he will so that 1256 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:47.119 you know, when when you go into a scene that 1257 01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.320 there's evidence planted, there's no other conclusion to reach. They 1258 01:05:50.440 --> 01:05:53.679 reached the only seemingly reasonable conclusion they can, right. And 1259 01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:56.800 I'll use a case you you know for what damn well, 1260 01:05:57.039 --> 01:06:00.000 uh very well, and that is the John Benay Rams 1261 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:00.400 the case. 1262 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:00.639 Right. 1263 01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:04.039 So that's a case where everyone they look at the evidence, 1264 01:06:04.039 --> 01:06:06.199 and again, some of the people in Boulder co opted, 1265 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:07.760 some of them are cult members, and some of them 1266 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.800 are just dumb. But what I'm saying here is, uh, 1267 01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:14.199 you look at that case and the only reasonable conclusion 1268 01:06:14.199 --> 01:06:16.639 by a reasonable officer what in law enforcement they call 1269 01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:20.280 it objectible objective reasonableness. And I think d understood that 1270 01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.840 very well. And I think someone trained him because uh, 1271 01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:24.559 and I'll get to Ed how he might relate to 1272 01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:27.519 these matters in a moment, according to Detective John Cameron's 1273 01:06:27.480 --> 01:06:29.960 study of the matter. Detective John Cameron's, by the way, 1274 01:06:30.039 --> 01:06:32.599 is the man who brought Nathaniel barr jonat is justice. 1275 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.119 By the way, the guy that studied Ed Edwards. So 1276 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.119 he the guy's legitimate homicide detective. He makes you know, 1277 01:06:39.280 --> 01:06:41.440 I don't subscribe to all of his theories on Ed. 1278 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:43.559 But what I think he's describing about Ed that he 1279 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:45.920 doesn't quite grasp is that Ed was the general in 1280 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.400 that handed death cult that henryly Lucas describes. 1281 01:06:48.719 --> 01:06:53.039 Oh okay, all right, all right, I'm tracking with you. 1282 01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.960 So what what John Cameron's identified is a mode of 1283 01:06:57.000 --> 01:07:00.199 operations within that death cult of assassins that I think 1284 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.079 Ed was the leader of. And that way, when you 1285 01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:05.320 look at all of what John Camer's put together on Ed, 1286 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.320 he's attributing so many crimeston well Ed is very prolific. 1287 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.199 I agree, he didn't do all those what John Camer's 1288 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:13.239 identified as a pattern of behavior and a mode of 1289 01:07:13.280 --> 01:07:16.760 operations that Ed was in charge of. So in that regard, 1290 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:18.599 whether or not ED was directly involved with John, but 1291 01:07:18.760 --> 01:07:20.239 or not, I don't know. But what you find is 1292 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:23.119 evidence in the John Binney case despite all of the 1293 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:26.639 objective actions of you know, the objective evidence that can 1294 01:07:26.679 --> 01:07:29.320 be extrapolated from the scene, the only conclusion you could 1295 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:31.000 reach is how did this dead girl get into the 1296 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:33.159 basement of this home with a ransom letter next to her? 1297 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.159 And the parents knew nothing about it? So they were 1298 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:36.719 going to say, well, the parents did it, and that's 1299 01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:40.480 been in dispute ever since. Mind you, that's not what 1300 01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:41.840 the details say, is it. Though, that's not what the 1301 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:42.960 forensic details. 1302 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.320 Say, is it. No. 1303 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:51.239 Actually, I've spoken in great detail about the forensic evidence 1304 01:07:51.559 --> 01:07:54.039 and it tells a completely different story. 1305 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:57.639 So they have just a real quick run down and 1306 01:07:57.840 --> 01:08:00.400 I'll and I'll bring this ED connection to a quick 1307 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:01.920 John Camer's three on. 1308 01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:03.760 Ed here and no quick resolution. 1309 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:07.480 So the forensic evidence was support the twine was not 1310 01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:09.239 sourced from the home. The duct tape on her mouth 1311 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:11.039 was not source from the home. There was a stun 1312 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:13.199 gun mark on her neck, no stun gun on the home. 1313 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.760 And also there was DNA found on her underwear and 1314 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.800 her leggings, which they initially tried and blood, you're right, 1315 01:08:20.840 --> 01:08:23.520 And they were trying to describe that as saying somebody 1316 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.079 in the manufacturing process left this DNA on there, and 1317 01:08:26.119 --> 01:08:28.159 then they decided to compare it to the DNA on 1318 01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.840 the leggings and say these leggings and the under were 1319 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:33.800 manufactured in different locations. There's no way that's possible. So 1320 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.279 that being said, somebody seems to plant in blood and 1321 01:08:37.359 --> 01:08:39.039 DNA on that young girl. And I don't think it 1322 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:41.840 was the purpose and the DNA that in my opinion 1323 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:43.560 and the opinion of John Cameron, I think he makes 1324 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.039 a good point. The evidence that that would lead to 1325 01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.279 would not be ed edwards despite he may have in 1326 01:08:49.279 --> 01:08:52.399 fact been that secret Santa Claus that John Benny was 1327 01:08:52.439 --> 01:08:54.760 talking about that she was going to see on Christmas night. 1328 01:08:55.960 --> 01:08:56.159 Right. 1329 01:08:56.279 --> 01:09:00.439 Well, I did find that David McGowan did areat job 1330 01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:02.840 kind of seeing what you're saying in program to Kill 1331 01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:06.079 about John Benney. There I believe that there was a 1332 01:09:06.119 --> 01:09:14.079 lot of eyes wide shuddering going on around John Bennet, Yeah, so, and. 1333 01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.000 I and and uh, I agree with you know, they've 1334 01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:19.880 released four pages of the eighteen page grand jury investigation. 1335 01:09:19.920 --> 01:09:22.239 I'm sure you know about ten years ago, and it 1336 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.359 says right there in the grand jury that the Ramsays 1337 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:26.439 were not guilty of murder. They were guilty of obstruction 1338 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.279 of justice and covering up the scene and their daughter's 1339 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.239 death and introducing her and negligence introducing her to an 1340 01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.720 environment which she could she would then face these. 1341 01:09:35.640 --> 01:09:39.319 Services, right. That's why that's that's where the eyes wide 1342 01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.319 shuttering comes in, because I think they helped. 1343 01:09:43.800 --> 01:09:45.840 Whatever they helped, I think they helped the cover up. 1344 01:09:45.880 --> 01:09:47.560 I think they called in the heavy hitters if you 1345 01:09:47.600 --> 01:09:48.560 willed to do the job. 1346 01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:52.199 So John Benney told everybody for two days prior to 1347 01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.239 a murder that this Sam was coming to visit her, 1348 01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:56.520 three days prior to murder that Sam was coming to visit. Well, 1349 01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.039 from the twenty third to twenty fourth, and all of 1350 01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:01.159 the twenty fifth. Night of the twenty third through the 1351 01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:03.560 night of the twenty fifth, she tells her mother and 1352 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:05.840 numerous people that Satna is going to come visitor on 1353 01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:10.199 Christmas Night, not Christmas Eve, right, So that that begins 1354 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:13.399 on the twenty third during a Christmas party. It happens 1355 01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:15.399 after the Christmas party at the Ramsey House in the 1356 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.359 twenty third, the same Christmas party, someone calls nine to 1357 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:18.960 one one. 1358 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.760 Right, I was gonna say, nobody knows about that. 1359 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.760 So John Cameron presents interesting theory that would have been 1360 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.760 Ed who would have infiltrated to the family through the 1361 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:32.039 church or this cult, these eyes wide shut things which 1362 01:10:32.079 --> 01:10:34.920 probably actually operated through that Evangelical church. In my opinion, 1363 01:10:35.039 --> 01:10:37.560 it's a different story altogether. But Ed would have been 1364 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.119 and this is how we integrate himself many times faking 1365 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:42.640 to be a psychiatrist, a law enforcement officer, or a 1366 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:43.279 church member. 1367 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:43.560 Right. 1368 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:45.800 So he would do all these things to integrate himself 1369 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.600 intolks life, to frame folks for murder and et cetera, 1370 01:10:48.800 --> 01:10:51.600 and accomplish these tasks. So Cameron presents that he was 1371 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:53.560 the one at that Christmas party the call nine one, 1372 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.319 the test response of Boulder PD. And then he was 1373 01:10:56.359 --> 01:10:58.520 the fat guy with a white beard who told John 1374 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:00.640 Benay that he was Santa Claus Coue see her on 1375 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.680 the twenty fifth, and then in fact, the evidence planted 1376 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:06.840 in that DNA and blood was not gonna be eds 1377 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.239 and edsm that would have been a different person would 1378 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:12.720 have connected to a different murder. So he murdered a 1379 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:17.319 guy in Ohio just a few months prior, and it's 1380 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.479 very likely that's the one he admitted to and got 1381 01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:22.960 the death penalty. Four in two thousand and nine, the 1382 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:25.720 murder of a man that he adopted forced to go 1383 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:27.880 into the army, and he adopted a nineteen year old man, 1384 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:30.840 convinced them to go in the army, convinced them to 1385 01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:32.720 go a Walt murdered him for the two hundred and 1386 01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:35.560 fifty thousand dollars insurance policy, hid his body until after 1387 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.399 John Benet's murder, and it seems like what he was 1388 01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:41.159 trying to do in the FBI and game. This maybe 1389 01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.279 why we've never heard about the DNA evidence in that case, 1390 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.079 because the DNA evidence led to Danny Boy Edwards, and 1391 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.079 then that opens up the can of worms on ed. 1392 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:51.079 Day. 1393 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:53.000 That's John Cameron's theory, and I think he makes a 1394 01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:56.680 strong argument because they've never wanted to mention the actual 1395 01:11:56.720 --> 01:11:59.720 evidence of that DNA and I suspect like John Cameron 1396 01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.880 says that dead evidence would have been Danny Boy Edward's 1397 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.159 blood in DNA, and ed would have the dead adopted 1398 01:12:06.159 --> 01:12:07.720 son he just killed and made it go a ball 1399 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.760 for the insurance check and the one he would later 1400 01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:12.760 get the tath penalty for. So we know, I mean, 1401 01:12:12.800 --> 01:12:14.560 we know all the details of that murdering. Folks can 1402 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:17.840 go on YouTube and watch Old ed in prison describe 1403 01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:19.880 the details of how he planned, plotted, and did all 1404 01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:22.640 these things. He moved to a town in Ohio and 1405 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:25.119 did this from day one, plotting out this whole situation 1406 01:12:25.239 --> 01:12:27.479 for two years. This is how diabolical he was. He 1407 01:12:27.520 --> 01:12:30.119 would rent, he would charter air private aircrafts. We fly 1408 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.960 all around America. This dude never stopped murdering. But I 1409 01:12:33.000 --> 01:12:35.680 think he never stopped organizing murdering through this hand of 1410 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:37.039 death cult network that I think. 1411 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:40.760 He was the general of WHOA Yeah. 1412 01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:42.880 And you know how there was always a question with 1413 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.279 a ransom note in the Ramsey case. How did they 1414 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:48.680 know John Ramsey's exact bonus and that ransom note? And 1415 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.680 why would you leave a ransom note for a kidnapping 1416 01:12:50.720 --> 01:12:53.680 next to a dead body? Right, because again this confuses everybody, Right, 1417 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.520 This is ads, and no one's gonna have any idea 1418 01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:57.439 what's going on when you put a dead body in 1419 01:12:57.479 --> 01:13:00.520 a basement with a ransom note, right, that's going to 1420 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.159 confuse everything. You're exactly You're only going to look at 1421 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:06.840 the parents because that's the only logical conclusion any objectively 1422 01:13:06.840 --> 01:13:09.560 reasonable party could make, despite yet what the evidence says, right, 1423 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:11.479 because then how else would anyone get in the house. 1424 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:13.359 There's so many other questions. What I'm saying here is 1425 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:17.239 these were all Ed diabolically planned. All of his merged 1426 01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.079 for a long period time. But the knowledge of that 1427 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:23.920 that bonus well Ed's sun worked for the Denver office 1428 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:28.680 of Lockheed Martin, the same Lockeed Martin that purchased John 1429 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.680 Ramsey's business in nineteen ninety one. 1430 01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:31.479 Axis grets. 1431 01:13:32.840 --> 01:13:37.079 Wow, So Ed could have worked I'm saying his son 1432 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.199 was complaicit. I'm saying Ed could have worked the same 1433 01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:41.000 way Ed worked in life through his son to get 1434 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:41.560 that information. 1435 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:47.399 This is a total new uh theory. I guess if 1436 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.600 you will for me, because I obviously have covered John 1437 01:13:51.640 --> 01:13:57.359 Bennet at nauseum and I never could like put a 1438 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.439 name to the person who was probably responsible for it. 1439 01:14:00.479 --> 01:14:02.720 But I always said it had to be some eyes 1440 01:14:02.800 --> 01:14:05.680 wide shuddering going on, for sure, and the parents were 1441 01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:10.319 complacent in the cover up for sure. 1442 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:12.119 Well, and I'm gonna get too far off Kraft, but let's 1443 01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.680 just do a quick comparison. So Manson too, Bill Mentzer cocaine, 1444 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.159 Bob's buddy from the roy raid and murder who got 1445 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.399 indicted with the head of the Median cartel in America, 1446 01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:25.000 Karen Greenberger. No one talks about that. You know, they 1447 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:27.680 were all indicted together. Bob was on a dineda co conspirator. 1448 01:14:27.680 --> 01:14:31.479 He pled the fifth thanks to Robert Shapiro, OJ's attorney. Anyhow, 1449 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:35.640 if you look at that whole situation regarding you know, however, 1450 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:38.720 how how Bill Metzer's story breaks down. According to burk Witz, 1451 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:41.000 He's brought in as the heavy hitter Manson two, an 1452 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:43.159 ultimate evil, to take care of the snuff film and 1453 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:46.159 Stacey Moskowitz, I argue ad served the same purpose coming 1454 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.399 in for the Zodiac and that snuff film. So if 1455 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:50.279 we look at all these heavy hitters kind of operating 1456 01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:52.680 under this hand of death style kind of operation that 1457 01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:55.079 I ed was in charge of, you know, when we 1458 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.000 start seeing this pattern operations, these eyes wide shut parties 1459 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.520 or these cult cells in different cities call in the 1460 01:15:00.520 --> 01:15:02.920 heavy hitters when they want to get something done. And 1461 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.600 Ed was never according to Ed's chiltern, he was never 1462 01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:09.920 home on Christmas throughout his entire life, right, and when 1463 01:15:09.920 --> 01:15:12.079 did John Benada on Christmas? So Ed was known for 1464 01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:13.159 the Christmas which. 1465 01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:18.520 That's crazy. 1466 01:15:19.920 --> 01:15:22.800 Day sif you weren't eyes white shut sell of these colts, right, 1467 01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.199 if you were an ice white shut sell of these 1468 01:15:24.199 --> 01:15:26.279 colts and you wanted to call on your Christmas heavy hitter, 1469 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.640 that is Ed. And Ed's got his whole situations seemingly 1470 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.520 all over the business. 1471 01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.479 So I guess now I have a name then, for 1472 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:37.840 this anomalous person that I keep referring to in all 1473 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.199 my John Benay episodes. I knew it had to be 1474 01:15:41.279 --> 01:15:44.439 someone and it obviously the parents were complicit in the 1475 01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.760 cover up, but I, until this moment, didn't have that name. 1476 01:15:47.960 --> 01:15:50.600 Yeah, well, let me share with you in the Cosmic 1477 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.800 Peach audience a little bit more on Edward when Edwards 1478 01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:54.720 where they can check out some more stuff on Operation 1479 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:58.600 GCD for further But when I say he knew Charles 1480 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:01.000 Manson and fifty two, when I say that he operated 1481 01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:05.399 in a very similar project Chaos CIA situation. By AD's 1482 01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:08.880 owne admission, he gets the identity of James Garfield Langley 1483 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:10.399 in November of nineteen fifty. 1484 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.159 Five in Key West, Florida. 1485 01:16:12.199 --> 01:16:13.960 So I said, what's going on in November of nineteen 1486 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:15.680 fifty five in Key West, Florida. Well, it just so 1487 01:16:15.720 --> 01:16:19.640 happens the CIA is plotting the overthrow of the Batista regime. 1488 01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:23.560 And there's photographs literally with Fidel Castro there at the 1489 01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:25.680 same time in Key West with the CIA in November 1490 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:28.239 of nineteen fifty five. So and again Ed gets that fake, 1491 01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:31.119 that same James Garfield ID after he goes to prison 1492 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:33.840 in Deer Lodge, Montana and then later gets picked up 1493 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.800 under that ID. And he also gets married under that 1494 01:16:36.840 --> 01:16:39.119 ID in nineteen fifty five. And I have two different 1495 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:42.159 births or two different marriage licenses here for that activity. 1496 01:16:42.199 --> 01:16:44.199 So that's is Edward Wayne Edwards one. 1497 01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:47.079 And that's a recent discovery by me, and John Cameron 1498 01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:49.279 printed this in his book. So I don't think what 1499 01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:51.159 I'm saying is, you know, ten years ago when John 1500 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:53.720 Cameron did his study, he didn't have access to some. 1501 01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:54.960 Shit that got released recently. 1502 01:16:55.039 --> 01:16:57.800 So but we can prove here that once again, John, 1503 01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.079 that Edward Winn Edwards is getting this fake, seemingly CIA 1504 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.439 cover name and credentials time after time, getting picked up 1505 01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:07.239 and released and escaping places folks looking the other way. 1506 01:17:07.680 --> 01:17:09.600 So what I'm saying, you know, it seems like we're 1507 01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.720 looking at a circumstance here regarding characters such as Charles 1508 01:17:12.720 --> 01:17:15.279 Manson and every remembers in this whole kind of handed 1509 01:17:15.279 --> 01:17:19.359 death thing that seems very much orchestrated by some matters 1510 01:17:19.399 --> 01:17:20.920 of national security, if you will. 1511 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:26.119 M hm, Well, I actually don't have too much more 1512 01:17:26.199 --> 01:17:29.000 to add about Government Cheese. I did want to tell. 1513 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:31.399 You how he got I keep forgetting his name's Government Cheese. 1514 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:34.439 I love that name too. I want to tell you. 1515 01:17:34.399 --> 01:17:39.439 How he got caught. And I actually want to go 1516 01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:43.600 over some other killers that I came across that were 1517 01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:46.399 functioning during this same time that I think you might 1518 01:17:46.439 --> 01:17:50.239 find interesting, that are in connection maybe with Randy Well. 1519 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:51.960 I'm definitely gonna find them interesting because I think they 1520 01:17:51.960 --> 01:17:52.760 probably all work for. 1521 01:17:52.840 --> 01:17:57.479 Ed right, That's why I that's what made me think 1522 01:17:57.520 --> 01:18:01.880 of it. I think that this is part that Government 1523 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:04.600 Cheese himself could have been part of this cult. But 1524 01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:06.960 he didn't get caught. 1525 01:18:07.000 --> 01:18:09.079 I don't see how he's not looking at his profile. 1526 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:09.680 I don't see how he. 1527 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:12.680 Fished the same he's. 1528 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:14.560 Socking the butthole and everything, right, you know what I mean. 1529 01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:15.119 I'm saying. 1530 01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:18.199 What I mean by that is what I mean by 1531 01:18:18.199 --> 01:18:19.920 that is he's not leaving evidence anywhere. I think he's 1532 01:18:19.960 --> 01:18:21.640 the first guy I've heard of the sock in the 1533 01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.720 butthole routine. But what I'm saying is he's not leaving 1534 01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:25.479 any evidence. He someone trained him to do that. 1535 01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:30.520 Somebody had to have And it's like you said, they 1536 01:18:30.560 --> 01:18:33.920 almost get shocked when they're caught because they've been doing 1537 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:40.119 it so long. So he started in what was it 1538 01:18:40.319 --> 01:18:45.800 what I say, in the sixties, right, he started in Okay, 1539 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:49.239 he started in nineteen seventy two, and he wasn't caught 1540 01:18:49.359 --> 01:18:54.359 until nineteen eighty three. And the only reason he was 1541 01:18:54.439 --> 01:19:00.760 caught is because he was observed swerving in his vehicle 1542 01:19:01.319 --> 01:19:08.399 down a freeway and he was pulled over and he 1543 01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:12.439 was made to do a sobriety test, and he failled 1544 01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:18.399 a sobriety test, and the officer went to search his 1545 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:21.199 vehicle and noticed that there was a man who he 1546 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.119 thought was passed out in the passenger seat with a 1547 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.760 jacket covering his lap, And as he removed the jacket 1548 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:32.439 from the man's lap, he noticed that his penis was 1549 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.239 halfway cut off and he was dead as luck. 1550 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:40.760 Yeah, and so sounds like Bundy, right, sounds like Bundy 1551 01:19:40.800 --> 01:19:42.520 with his getting pulled over with the seat out of 1552 01:19:42.560 --> 01:19:43.119 his volts Wagon. 1553 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:47.640 Like it's this guy's cllly murdered people, right. But here's the. 1554 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:52.920 Thing, JJ, he was not arrested for having a dead 1555 01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:55.920 man with his penis halfway cut off in his passenger seat. 1556 01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:01.560 He was a rosi his house right right? 1557 01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:05.680 Oh, I was just gonna say he was only arrested 1558 01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:09.760 for driving under the influence. They did not even though 1559 01:20:09.800 --> 01:20:13.199 he had a dead fucking body with his penis halfway 1560 01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:15.880 cut off in the passenger seat of his car. He 1561 01:20:16.079 --> 01:20:22.680 was only charged with driving under the influence. And it 1562 01:20:22.760 --> 01:20:26.159 wasn't until later when they found all the dead guy 1563 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:29.239 photos and the blood and all this other stuff in 1564 01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:34.760 his car that he was eventually charges were eventually pressed 1565 01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:41.000 against him, and he got the death penalty. But the 1566 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:44.720 scorecard that they found had at least seventy murder victims 1567 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.520 on it, but they could only charge him with sixteen 1568 01:20:48.159 --> 01:20:50.840 based on the evidence, So he didn't even go down 1569 01:20:50.920 --> 01:20:54.399 for all of the victims, and there was potentially even more. 1570 01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:56.039 What was the evidence. 1571 01:20:56.079 --> 01:20:57.880 It seemed kind of murky A lot of the evidence, 1572 01:20:57.960 --> 01:20:59.760 like many of these right, they were attributing victims with 1573 01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:01.800 to evidence. And you see all the other guys that 1574 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:03.560 are killing in and around him at the same time 1575 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:06.199 when he start plotting out all these murders, so many 1576 01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:08.399 dudes doing the similar activities he's doing at the same 1577 01:21:08.439 --> 01:21:10.720 time in the same place as in the seventies, and 1578 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:13.079 there's no evidence. Again, a lot of these victims are attributing, 1579 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:14.479 so I don't know how they attribute. 1580 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:14.560 It to whom. 1581 01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:17.880 So the way that they were able to get at 1582 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:22.479 least sixteen of the seventy was from his scorecard where 1583 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:25.800 he would have where he wrote the victim's name and 1584 01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:31.560 then he had photographs of their dead body and the 1585 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.600 uh signature of the sock in the bee hole was 1586 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:38.359 kind of how they were able to get and also 1587 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:40.000 Stemen samples. 1588 01:21:40.760 --> 01:21:42.640 That's fair, but well, I guess I was referring to 1589 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.479 the outlying other ones, right, Like how do they even say, like, oh, 1590 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:47.960 he almost did seventy because he got Patrick Kearny out there, 1591 01:21:48.479 --> 01:21:50.479 same time, same place, doing the same I don't know, 1592 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:52.880 the sock and the bee holes, but similar victims. 1593 01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:57.079 Well, actually it was said that they had a hard 1594 01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:02.319 time catching Randy Kraft government cheese because of Patrick Kearney. 1595 01:22:02.880 --> 01:22:05.079 And this guy, right, William Boonen, Right. 1596 01:22:05.640 --> 01:22:10.039 William Bonnen is out there raping and running through boys 1597 01:22:10.079 --> 01:22:10.560 as well. 1598 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:15.159 But you know what, the same time. What's going on here? 1599 01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.960 They're all but but but they're all ripping and running 1600 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.920 through young men and boys at the same time in California, 1601 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:27.760 And they all have similar backgrounds. Like Patrick Kearney, for example, 1602 01:22:28.760 --> 01:22:33.000 was ripping and running through dudes be holes, and he 1603 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:37.680 was dismembering and necrofiling his victims. He also was in 1604 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:43.560 the Air Force. He was in the Air Force, and 1605 01:22:43.720 --> 01:22:48.039 Patrick Kearney became friends with Lee Harvey Oswald while he 1606 01:22:48.199 --> 01:22:51.079 was in the Air Force. And he said that he 1607 01:22:51.159 --> 01:22:55.560 worked on top secret military language operations with Lee Harvey 1608 01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:58.439 Oswald while he was in the Air Force, and then 1609 01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:01.560 he later became one of the most prolific serial killers 1610 01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:04.199 to ever live. Does that make sense to JJ? 1611 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:08.520 Are you fucking kidding me? He knew Lee Harvey Oswald. 1612 01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:17.319 He knew Lee Patrick Kearney who ripped and ran through Yeah, 1613 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:25.000 let me see it, says Patrick Kearney murdered and dismembered, disemboweled, 1614 01:23:25.039 --> 01:23:28.479 and cut his victim's hearts and lungs out, murdered at 1615 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.079 least twenty eight young boys in southern California between nineteen 1616 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:36.439 seventy one and nineteen seventy seven. Was in the United 1617 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:43.319 States Air Force and uh befriended Lee Harvey Oswald and 1618 01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:48.239 worked with him in top secret military language operations and 1619 01:23:48.279 --> 01:23:52.479 took a trip with him to Mexico City for unknown reasons. 1620 01:23:53.920 --> 01:23:55.720 Well, hear me out, I did not know that. Maybe 1621 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:58.079 I appreciate bringing that to my attention. Here's what I want. 1622 01:23:58.159 --> 01:24:01.079 That's that's some that's a that's a well, that's a 1623 01:24:01.079 --> 01:24:03.479 lot of details there, ma'am. So that would be my 1624 01:24:03.840 --> 01:24:06.199 as you see, my my brain is currently being blown 1625 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:07.560 here because that's a major factor. 1626 01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:09.000 I keep drawing a lot. 1627 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:10.880 So I've been drawing a lot of these circles around 1628 01:24:10.880 --> 01:24:12.239 a lot of these characters, and a lot of things 1629 01:24:12.239 --> 01:24:14.439 go back to, as I point out, from Trickye Dixoning 1630 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:16.439 and the Watergate tapes, the Bay of Picks, the Bay 1631 01:24:16.479 --> 01:24:19.319 of Pigs thing. So that's fucking interesting. But if I 1632 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:21.920 may point out, and my may, I'll definitely be getting 1633 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:24.159 back to you on that note as well in the 1634 01:24:24.199 --> 01:24:25.880 future when I look into that subject more. 1635 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:27.640 But this got you know their connections there. 1636 01:24:27.640 --> 01:24:30.079 But if I made one thing I saw between him 1637 01:24:30.079 --> 01:24:33.119 and Craft and it to me, it also relates in 1638 01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:35.840 my opinion, to the incidents and activities around the death 1639 01:24:35.880 --> 01:24:38.079 of John beIN a Ramsey and it goes back to 1640 01:24:38.119 --> 01:24:41.239 that Thuggie cult. You know I've discussed before relative to 1641 01:24:41.279 --> 01:24:45.520 the Four Pie movement, and they're alleged the four Pie 1642 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:49.720 off shoot of the process, and they're alleged uh ritual 1643 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:54.840 venerations or incorporations of philosophies, theology, theologies and rituals of 1644 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:59.880 the Thuggie cult, Cali worshiping, Shingon Buddhists right, shing gan Bood. 1645 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:01.840 It seems to be the elements of that four Pie 1646 01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:06.159 movement who did as text style murders, eating hearts and shit. 1647 01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.399 So we see that going on here. But with the 1648 01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:11.319 thuggy aspects, we see this garrot, this tie, this torture 1649 01:25:11.399 --> 01:25:14.039 and device with the ropes and stuff, the same thing. 1650 01:25:14.039 --> 01:25:16.079 We see these guys do with Kearney the same thing 1651 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:18.640 we see Craft do Government cheese and the same thing 1652 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:21.680 we see John Benet with that twine was victim too. 1653 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:28.039 And William Bonnon the other murder. If you click on him, 1654 01:25:28.079 --> 01:25:31.800 you'll find that William Bonnon also used a garrott, also 1655 01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:36.520 is raping and running through little boys buttholes. And Patrick Kearney, 1656 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:41.600 Government Cheese and William Bonnon were all called the Freeway Strangler. 1657 01:25:42.079 --> 01:25:44.760 All three of them were called the Freeway Strangler. So 1658 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.399 they're all doing it together right right, But it's it's 1659 01:25:49.520 --> 01:25:52.520 just like Son of Sam and Zodiac. It's like it's 1660 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:57.479 not one fucking guy. The Freeway Killer is William Bonnen 1661 01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:01.720 and Patrick Kearney and and Government Cheese. They were all 1662 01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.520 running through little boys be holes. 1663 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:12.000 I'll be honest with the Government Cheese has been ripping 1664 01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.119 and running some buttholes long before Randy Kraft. But I 1665 01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:16.800 do like the nickname, you know, literally, you know, government 1666 01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:19.479 cheese being not good for your butthole, you know, unning 1667 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:21.800 literal government cheese. 1668 01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.399 There was something else I wanted to mention to you 1669 01:26:24.520 --> 01:26:28.079 about Patrick Kearney though, to see if if you find 1670 01:26:28.119 --> 01:26:33.000 this absolutely crazy. So the way that he's, you know, 1671 01:26:33.119 --> 01:26:37.359 necrofiling his victims and doing this weird stuff. It's very ritualistic. 1672 01:26:37.960 --> 01:26:41.199 And he's friends with Lee Harvey Oswald worked with him 1673 01:26:41.199 --> 01:26:47.600 in military language school and military language operations. And he 1674 01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:52.600 gets an honorable discharge from the military, moves to Long Beach, California, 1675 01:26:52.680 --> 01:26:56.680 and he purchases a yellow Volkswagen Beetle that he uses 1676 01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:01.000 to pick up his victims in just like Eddy. 1677 01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:03.520 And just like the son of Sam. 1678 01:27:04.640 --> 01:27:07.039 Oh my, gosh, he had a yellow Volkswagon. 1679 01:27:07.920 --> 01:27:09.439 No, but one of the members of the colt did 1680 01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:11.279 it was it was seen at numerous of the of 1681 01:27:11.319 --> 01:27:13.039 the crimes as the getaway vehicle. 1682 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.319 Well think about that, JJ. 1683 01:27:17.079 --> 01:27:20.640 Repeating patterns, ma'am, smaller circles, Drone smaller circles. 1684 01:27:21.960 --> 01:27:25.439 So kind of to sum up, I did want to 1685 01:27:26.039 --> 01:27:29.439 just mention some other serial killers that were in and 1686 01:27:29.479 --> 01:27:33.680 around this area in California. Obviously, we have the Zodiac 1687 01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:39.960 assumed military background, the Manson family military background. But then 1688 01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.239 there's Joseph James DeAngelo, also known as the Golden State 1689 01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.800 Killer or the East Area rapist. And he. 1690 01:27:52.079 --> 01:27:53.960 Didn't mean interject, but there's no way that's that's the 1691 01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:54.880 same pattern. 1692 01:27:54.640 --> 01:27:59.279 Right, Yes, what do you think about Lonnie David Franklin Junior, 1693 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:03.560 also known is the Grim Sleeper. He was active in 1694 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:07.439 South Los Angeles? Oh? Yeah, did you cut out? Sorry? 1695 01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:09.600 Where was I at when you cut out? 1696 01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:10.079 I don't know. 1697 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:13.840 I was having connectivity issues, you said, James Joseph D'Angel, 1698 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:15.479 And I was just pointing out that's another pattern. 1699 01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:16.479 That's definitely a team. 1700 01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:21.560 Oh, definitely. The next one I said was Lonnie David 1701 01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:26.720 Franklin Junior, also known as the Grim Sleeper. He was 1702 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:31.600 active in South Los Angeles in nineteen eighty five, also 1703 01:28:31.720 --> 01:28:34.079 military background. Have you heard of him? 1704 01:28:36.359 --> 01:28:36.560 No? 1705 01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.479 But I mean we're talking Charles Manson's friend being the 1706 01:28:39.640 --> 01:28:42.319 personal friend be and at one point in time a 1707 01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:46.359 defense attorney for Leslie Crenwinkle during the trials in nineteen 1708 01:28:46.399 --> 01:28:50.319 seventy the Manson Family trials, Ira Reyner. He got elected 1709 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:53.479 District Attorney of Los Angeles from eighty four to ninety two, 1710 01:28:53.760 --> 01:28:57.439 and he prosecuted the night stalker McMartin, Bob you let 1711 01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.920 Bob Cocaine Evans walk on the murder Roy Raiden, but 1712 01:29:00.119 --> 01:29:06.159 prosecuted the number one member of the Colombian drug cartel, 1713 01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:09.600 the Median cartel that is an America Karen Greenberger, and 1714 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:12.399 he prosecuted Manson too, Bill Menzer, you don't think they 1715 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:15.319 knew each other. If he's personal friends with Charles Manson 1716 01:29:15.319 --> 01:29:17.119 in nineteen sixty nine nineteen seven, you don't think he 1717 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:20.640 knew Menser too, who was a bodyguard and boyfriend allegedly 1718 01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:22.880 of Mama Casts. And they're all members of the process, right, 1719 01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:24.800 you don't think these people know each other. They definitely 1720 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:25.239 know each other. 1721 01:29:25.800 --> 01:29:26.640 So who's this guy? 1722 01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:28.399 Because I Reyner didn't do he did a lot of 1723 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:30.079 weird things as this attorney. 1724 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:34.439 He went by the grim Sleeper. His name is Lonnie 1725 01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:38.479 David Franklin Junior. He had a military background, and he 1726 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:42.560 was raping and running through women in nineteen eighty five. 1727 01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:44.720 And he's a black fellow. 1728 01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:48.439 Huh yeah, Well, the next one on my list was 1729 01:29:48.520 --> 01:29:49.600 Richard Ramirez. 1730 01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:52.600 Oh if I made real quick, if I may real 1731 01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:57.399 quick on this fella. So there's Toddy Lintini and his tapes. 1732 01:29:57.560 --> 01:29:59.760 His interview tapes have been stolen from the sun of 1733 01:29:59.800 --> 01:30:02.880 san Archives of ed Senators of Princeton University. I'm sort 1734 01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.680 of the the archives of of ed Sanators of Princeton 1735 01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:08.399 University someone stole our the four hours I believe it 1736 01:30:08.439 --> 01:30:11.199 was of audio interviews with Tony Lentini. He was a 1737 01:30:11.239 --> 01:30:14.640 one percent biker leader who was allegedly a present for 1738 01:30:14.680 --> 01:30:17.159 the murder and ritual murder of Eton Pats there in 1739 01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:19.880 Westchester County, New York. And he was allegedly deep into 1740 01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:23.039 this process movement, right, so he tells the stories of 1741 01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:27.479 there was a joint efforts within the black motorcycle outlaw 1742 01:30:27.560 --> 01:30:30.399 motorcycle gangs that were also members of the cult to 1743 01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:32.520 do the same Son of Sam style shootings in New 1744 01:30:32.560 --> 01:30:36.359 York City. And uh, allegedly there was these things that 1745 01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:38.960 just never got reported on within the black communities there 1746 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:44.920 with somebody doing the same activities. Really, yeah, and somebody, 1747 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:48.760 I would argue, part of this ongoing process church cover 1748 01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:52.159 upper movement, these ongoing enterprises. They still I've been to 1749 01:30:52.159 --> 01:30:54.680 Princeton and I've talked to the librarian. They someone stole 1750 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:55.239 those tapes. 1751 01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:03.760 Interesting, Yeah, well, this motherfucker is dead, so we'll never 1752 01:31:04.560 --> 01:31:06.079 I mean, we'll never know from him. 1753 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.119 So he gets busted in what year he's always from 1754 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:12.039 Stute Guard. Huh, that's interesting because it wasn't was it 1755 01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:15.600 Dahmer or one of those other dudes was over there 1756 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:16.880 in stute Gart in the seventies. 1757 01:31:17.880 --> 01:31:21.560 Dahmer, Yeah, yep, dahmer. 1758 01:31:22.800 --> 01:31:27.760 So he gets he gets busted in what nineteen? Holy shit, 1759 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:30.600 they got a number of names listed for multiple Yeah, 1760 01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.239 when does he get busted? Nineteen looks like nineteen eighty seven. 1761 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:38.560 I thought it was nineteen eighty six. 1762 01:31:39.720 --> 01:31:42.600 Okay, let's say by January eighty sixth fifteen murders had 1763 01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:45.199 been linked to the case, more detectives added to the 1764 01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:50.199 joint LAPD Sheriff's Department Task Force. Huh for the South 1765 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:52.199 Side slayer. But by eighty six the case was still 1766 01:31:52.199 --> 01:31:52.960 an investigation. 1767 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:54.720 Blah blah blah. 1768 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:58.159 By late eighty six, conflicting MOS and suspect descriptions called. 1769 01:31:58.199 --> 01:32:01.399 Oh there you go, speaking of teams, right, conflicting MOS 1770 01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:04.720 and suspect descriptions, Right, so it's. 1771 01:32:04.560 --> 01:32:07.039 Probably multiple assailants. 1772 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:15.960 Well yeah, look at list one, two, three, four, five 1773 01:32:16.039 --> 01:32:18.560 black dudes on this team. Like I just said about 1774 01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:21.359 the Son of Sam situation, they had a similar team 1775 01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.640 of situations going on in the black community. According to 1776 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.560 Tiny Lentini, who was in the cult and part you know, 1777 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:29.920 high up apparently, and again he got into the cult 1778 01:32:29.920 --> 01:32:32.399 by being the security, much like we see with folks 1779 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.399 like Victor Thorne out there in the Manson family situation, 1780 01:32:35.520 --> 01:32:38.239 a man who's still alive today and very rich and powerful. 1781 01:32:38.640 --> 01:32:41.119 And he was the head of I always want to 1782 01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:42.960 call it Satan slaves as Gypsy Jokers. 1783 01:32:43.000 --> 01:32:44.239 He was the head of the Gypsy. 1784 01:32:43.960 --> 01:32:48.600 Jokers, A similar character to Tiny Lnini, right, very similar character, 1785 01:32:49.479 --> 01:32:52.520 and Tiny Linini would later do multiple stents of prison 1786 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:55.199 for raping his own children and child pornography. But he's 1787 01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:57.880 dead now. So nonetheless, Victor Thorne is still alive. Whether 1788 01:32:57.920 --> 01:32:59.920 or not he's still involved in hood ratshit activities of 1789 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.079 outlaw bliker gangs and these satanist. 1790 01:33:01.640 --> 01:33:03.039 Cold activities, I couldn't tell you. 1791 01:33:03.319 --> 01:33:05.359 But what I can tell you is it seems to 1792 01:33:05.359 --> 01:33:08.079 be repeating patters we see amongst these outlaw blicker crowds. 1793 01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:12.000 So when I take Mantini's statements as despite his background 1794 01:33:12.039 --> 01:33:15.119 as being rooted in at least largely fact right, so, 1795 01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:18.720 you know, when these tapes are gone and we don't 1796 01:33:18.840 --> 01:33:20.600 we don't have anything to look at anymore, you know, 1797 01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:22.640 I wonder, but we do see these same repeating. 1798 01:33:22.319 --> 01:33:25.800 Patters from coast to coast, this black. 1799 01:33:25.600 --> 01:33:28.960 Community element right, the African American communities that get terrorized 1800 01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:31.000 the same way through elements within their community, just like 1801 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:33.000 the Son of Sam does with elements within their community. 1802 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:36.840 Yeah, and I was gonna say, with with government cheap. 1803 01:33:36.960 --> 01:33:42.199 I think the Freeway strangler was Randy Kraft, William Bonnen, 1804 01:33:42.279 --> 01:33:45.800 and Patrick Kearney were all the Freeway Strangler, just like 1805 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.640 the Hillside Strangler was multiple people. 1806 01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:52.960 Yep. And they're all multiple people's. 1807 01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:55.439 We're living under a false pretense to assume otherwise the 1808 01:33:55.800 --> 01:33:57.640 exception to the rule might be an individual, but the 1809 01:33:57.720 --> 01:34:00.920 rules their team, an organized team effort. And it's the 1810 01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:04.399 FBI and John Douglas who sold us this false narrative 1811 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:07.279 of the loan only gonna kill blonds, and only gonna 1812 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:09.319 do them at twelve o'clock midnight, and only gonna do 1813 01:34:09.359 --> 01:34:11.840 them with seven strikes to the chest, and you know, 1814 01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:15.600 very specific patterns, and all that's bullshit. All that's well, 1815 01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:18.039 there are similar patterns of behavior in meads of operations. 1816 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:20.239 They're not as strict as that John Douglas wants to 1817 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:23.079 convince folks of. And the idea of these perpetration of 1818 01:34:23.119 --> 01:34:24.680 these ideas is the same thing we see later in 1819 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:27.800 the landing report, where there are no Satanists murdering people anywhere. 1820 01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:30.520 Pay no attention to your senses. Your eyes and ears 1821 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:31.319 have deceived you, as. 1822 01:34:31.199 --> 01:34:35.079 Michael Lokino will tell you, mister satanic murdering himself, as 1823 01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:37.119 I would allege m hm. 1824 01:34:38.359 --> 01:34:41.760 Well, and you know, so that guy that I mentioned 1825 01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:46.199 earlier is being part of the Government Cheese crew. He 1826 01:34:48.479 --> 01:34:51.600 was Air Force too, just like Randy Kraft and Patrick Kearney. 1827 01:34:51.640 --> 01:34:56.960 William Bonnen served in the Air Force and is suspected 1828 01:34:57.159 --> 01:35:01.720 of twenty one plus murders of of little boys who 1829 01:35:01.760 --> 01:35:05.119 he raped and tortured, just like Patrick Kerney, and just 1830 01:35:05.159 --> 01:35:08.239 like Government Cheese, and all three of them came from 1831 01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:08.920 the Air Force. 1832 01:35:09.880 --> 01:35:12.079 You mean to tell me this, This this fella with 1833 01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:15.279 the pedophile stash and the weird haircut, you know, looking 1834 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:16.960 like he's got that five head going to with What 1835 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.359 do you mean by the weird haircut? You can see 1836 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.199 his file five head is very prominent. You mean to 1837 01:35:21.239 --> 01:35:23.039 tell me this fellow rape fro Murner Schuld. No, I 1838 01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:27.439 wouldn't never believe it. 1839 01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:28.439 You look at the guy. 1840 01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:30.000 You know he's got he's got the petter. You see 1841 01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.319 what I'm talking about? It's got that Petter ridged five head. 1842 01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:36.960 He's got the Petter mustache, right, I mean, yeah, I'm 1843 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:39.760 obviously I'm obviously paying things some broad strokes here, but 1844 01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:42.439 there is a certain physiotomy that seems to repeat amongst 1845 01:35:42.479 --> 01:35:43.680 patterns with these folks. 1846 01:35:44.479 --> 01:35:47.640 Well, you remember in Program to Kill Leonard Lake and 1847 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:52.640 Charles whatever the fuck his last name was aimed, they 1848 01:35:52.680 --> 01:35:56.119 were also they were also ripping and running around the same. 1849 01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:59.479 Time and running, ripping and running, a lot of ripping 1850 01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:00.840 and running in that era. Right. 1851 01:36:01.840 --> 01:36:06.600 What about Samuel Little he was supposed to have confessed 1852 01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:09.239 to killing ninety three people in California. 1853 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:13.520 Yeah, they got them for a funeral Ohio too, I think, yeah. 1854 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.840 I think there was some in Ohio actually, But so 1855 01:36:17.520 --> 01:36:21.760 that's actually the end of my presentation. But think about 1856 01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:26.079 what I just said, Like all of these serial killers, 1857 01:36:26.119 --> 01:36:32.560 William Bonnan, Patrick Kearney, Government Cheese, Richard Ramirez, the Hillside stranglers, 1858 01:36:32.680 --> 01:36:40.520 Leonard Lake and Charles Ing, you know, Lonnie, David Franklin, Junior, 1859 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:45.239 Joseph James DeAngelo, I mean, the Charles Manson, the Zodiac Killer. 1860 01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:49.560 They're all coming out of California and they're all ripping 1861 01:36:49.600 --> 01:36:56.039 and running during or close to the same timeframes. What's 1862 01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:56.800 up with this. 1863 01:36:56.800 --> 01:36:59.119 Saying it seems it even seems more organized when you 1864 01:36:59.159 --> 01:37:02.359 realize that they're all being shipped there. They're all being 1865 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.760 shipped there their military jobs, the aerospace and stuff like that. 1866 01:37:05.880 --> 01:37:07.239 Right, mm hmm. 1867 01:37:07.680 --> 01:37:11.239 But another one that I did not mention in that 1868 01:37:11.359 --> 01:37:13.079 list that I want to talk to you about at 1869 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:17.319 a later time is the dating game Killer also came 1870 01:37:17.920 --> 01:37:21.319 from southern California and was ribbon and running during the 1871 01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:23.600 same time, and he knew Polanski. 1872 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:26.680 So if I may suggest, man, let's do a seventies 1873 01:37:27.279 --> 01:37:30.880 TV game show serial killer show, We'll do al Kala 1874 01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:33.920 the two times Eddie Edward when Edwards was on the 1875 01:37:36.800 --> 01:37:40.039 To Tell the Truth and I forget the other one 1876 01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:41.560 he was on. I got to tell the Truth on 1877 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:43.920 cant recall the other show he's on, but he was 1878 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.079 on two and it was nineteen seventy two and nineteen 1879 01:37:46.159 --> 01:37:48.520 seventy three, I think, And then al cal is what's 1880 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:52.439 seventy seven? On the dating game mm hmmmm hm there 1881 01:37:52.479 --> 01:37:54.960 was another one that there was a fourth one, there 1882 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:56.880 was another Was there another dating game one or was 1883 01:37:56.880 --> 01:37:59.039 there another another game show? 1884 01:37:59.199 --> 01:38:01.239 I can't think of a serial they're from right now. 1885 01:38:01.640 --> 01:38:04.079 It's a different game show, and I'd actually have to 1886 01:38:04.079 --> 01:38:06.039 google it. But I think this is a really good 1887 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:11.960 idea because I find it fascinating how these things are 1888 01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:13.159 are not more. 1889 01:38:14.920 --> 01:38:17.159 Think of the logistics, right, How are they getting on 1890 01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:19.920 the show? How did Edward Edward travel? 1891 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.640 How did he travel the country getting on over a 1892 01:38:22.840 --> 01:38:26.720 thousand TV and radio shows promoting a book that he 1893 01:38:26.840 --> 01:38:31.479 was metamorphosized as a criminal, meanwhile murdering folks on this 1894 01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:32.520 national tour. 1895 01:38:32.319 --> 01:38:33.000 The entire time. 1896 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:36.399 What I said, Yeah. 1897 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:39.439 There's there's a I assure you, ma'am. I ran logistics 1898 01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:41.479 and current operations for the Air Force. I took a 1899 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:44.359 three year hiatus from being a military police in the 1900 01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:46.439 Air Force, and I ran. I was working at headquarters 1901 01:38:46.439 --> 01:38:50.239 in DC, literally managing the logistics for current operations in 1902 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:52.960 the Air Force, and in a you know, in a 1903 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:55.840 bunker in deep below the surface there you know, you 1904 01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:58.159 will my as I call it, my my two and 1905 01:38:58.199 --> 01:39:01.399 a half year stint in the hole, and I went back. 1906 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:03.000 It was so bad I volunteered to go back in 1907 01:39:03.039 --> 01:39:05.520 the military police and go to war. So I found 1908 01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:09.439 that more favorable circumstances for me at the time. But nonetheless, 1909 01:39:09.800 --> 01:39:12.159 it is these logistics that I'm often concerned about because 1910 01:39:12.199 --> 01:39:14.039 as a war planner in the Air Force who manage 1911 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:17.840 current operations, logistically speaking, there's a lot I see the 1912 01:39:17.880 --> 01:39:20.520 machinations behind a lot of these projects, and I understand 1913 01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:21.359 what goes into it. 1914 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:23.119 You know what I mean? You are spot on. 1915 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:25.680 There is a deep logistics to getting on not only 1916 01:39:25.720 --> 01:39:28.680 a game show, but the machinations of reissuing credentials to 1917 01:39:28.720 --> 01:39:32.680 everyone edwards, the machinations of getting law enforcement offices around 1918 01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:33.840 the country to look the other way. 1919 01:39:34.680 --> 01:39:39.680 MM one hundred Yeah, I actually have another show I 1920 01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:43.199 got to jump on here in a minute, but we 1921 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:46.560 got a plan for that one too, because it's just 1922 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:50.279 like with government cheese, there's too much there government cheese, 1923 01:39:50.319 --> 01:39:54.119 man too much there for it to be a coincidence. 1924 01:39:54.800 --> 01:39:57.840 And I actually want to thank you for indulging me 1925 01:39:57.920 --> 01:40:03.000 this afternoon, because when I discovered this guy was like, 1926 01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:06.520 why the fuck am I just finding out about this asshole? 1927 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:07.720 Uh? 1928 01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:09.800 Well, I felt the same way when he presented them 1929 01:40:09.840 --> 01:40:11.359 to me, So I definitely appreciate your time. I am 1930 01:40:11.439 --> 01:40:13.439 in the conversation and blowing up my brain hole with 1931 01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:15.880 these topics, and again, drawing a lot of small circles 1932 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.159 around a lot of these activities across the wide spectrum 1933 01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:20.680 of time, geographical distance, and a lot of what I 1934 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:22.000 would call satanic murdering. 1935 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:22.840 And if you want to. 1936 01:40:25.720 --> 01:40:29.119 Impacting our society today, let me introduce you to nonetheless. 1937 01:40:28.600 --> 01:40:30.880 Of Buffalo Jared Orvisa, the. 1938 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.119 Guy that my former stalker who wanted to be my 1939 01:40:33.239 --> 01:40:35.880 pr rep. And I'm pretty sure he wanted to murder 1940 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:44.000 me and wear my skin as a human coat. And 1941 01:40:44.000 --> 01:40:46.560 that's mister Buffalo Jared, who sits today after his multi 1942 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.680 state mind control assassin killing spree, the murder victim of 1943 01:40:49.720 --> 01:40:53.279 which hired him as his pr Rep. Jared sits in 1944 01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:56.600 the Buffalo Jared sits in the Bridgewater Statemental Institution, allegedly 1945 01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:59.479 because his court cases are not in the actual court system. 1946 01:40:59.680 --> 01:41:02.199 Folks check that out on Operation GCD. I did that 1947 01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:02.720 a couple. 1948 01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:06.840 Sundays ago, the case or the Legends of Buffalo Joe Rivisa. 1949 01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.319 But that image you just saw was months before that 1950 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:13.199 campaign of murder. And he's wearing a strangely smiley faced, 1951 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:14.760 you know, chaos symbol. 1952 01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:16.079 I would argue of the neo process. 1953 01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:20.840 Lana will go, He's gone trans apocalypse kind of processing 1954 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.399 InStyle of you ask me as well, and also within 1955 01:41:23.439 --> 01:41:26.039 this whole kind of satanic murdering situation, right within these 1956 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:29.239 mind controlled assassins. What I'm saying is we see repeating factors. 1957 01:41:29.279 --> 01:41:30.760 Not only is in that he's in the same mental 1958 01:41:30.760 --> 01:41:34.399 hospital then unleashed Nathaniel Barr Jonah to go eat, murder 1959 01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:38.520 and rape kids in Great Falls, Montana. He's also of 1960 01:41:38.560 --> 01:41:41.079 the mind. He's of a the family of these sports 1961 01:41:41.159 --> 01:41:44.520 hypnosis infamous sports hypnosis family that broke the curse of 1962 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:47.520 the Goat and helped the Chicago Cubs win the World 1963 01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:50.560 Series after a nearly one hundred year drought. And it 1964 01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:53.359 was Ken Revisa, his great uncle and the company his 1965 01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.439 father and him used to work for, the infamous Revisa 1966 01:41:56.479 --> 01:42:00.760 sports hypnosis and psychology family that is credited with the 1967 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:03.199 Cubs help breaking the Cubs curse and back there a 1968 01:42:03.199 --> 01:42:05.960 few years ago in twenty sixteen. So this is a 1969 01:42:05.960 --> 01:42:08.680 fellow that I think we see these sam repeating patterns in. Again, 1970 01:42:09.079 --> 01:42:12.000 he's currently under seemingly no accountability because his court cases 1971 01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:14.720 are not in Connecticut or Massachusetts court systems, and at 1972 01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:17.359 least not publicly despite him allegedly sitting in that same 1973 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:19.840 Bridgewater State Mental Hospital. 1974 01:42:19.840 --> 01:42:20.880 And again I would. 1975 01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:23.319 Argue, this dude reeks of every aspect of what we 1976 01:42:23.399 --> 01:42:25.680 discussed from these fellas in the seventies and eighties that 1977 01:42:25.720 --> 01:42:28.159 are going on right now. He went on a murder 1978 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:30.279 campaign last May and ain't no one talking about it. 1979 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:31.680 And the only reason I knew about it is because 1980 01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:33.880 I had a Google alert set up for the son 1981 01:42:33.880 --> 01:42:35.520 of a bitch because he creeped me out so bad 1982 01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:37.520 that I thought he wanted to kill me and wear 1983 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:40.039 my skin as a human coat. Before all this, right 1984 01:42:40.039 --> 01:42:44.279 before all this, So my being is you know, these 1985 01:42:44.279 --> 01:42:46.439 things are still going on despite people thinking this is 1986 01:42:46.479 --> 01:42:48.199 going on in the seventies and eighties, this stuff is 1987 01:42:48.239 --> 01:42:49.439 still present today. 1988 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:54.000 Well, since this is a swapcast, actually JJ, I would 1989 01:42:54.039 --> 01:42:55.920 like you to take a minute and just let all 1990 01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:58.600 of the listeners know where they can find out more information, 1991 01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:03.000 not only about this as a dick cheese, but all 1992 01:43:03.039 --> 01:43:04.239 of your work. 1993 01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:06.920 Well, thank you, ma'am. I appreciate it. 1994 01:43:06.920 --> 01:43:09.159 I appreciate your time and again blowing up my brain 1995 01:43:09.199 --> 01:43:11.399 home with these these details and ideas. I've been, like 1996 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:13.439 I said, you presented this craft filled too mean, I 1997 01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:15.119 was need to fit into this whole study I'm doing 1998 01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:18.039 right now with mapping a lot of these activities. Victim 1999 01:43:18.119 --> 01:43:20.239 is doing genealogies, I'll do all sorts of shit, and 2000 01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:24.439 he also is I'm very interested in the nineteen sixty 2001 01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:27.640 eight Los Angeles presidential campaign of RFK, so one thing 2002 01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.479 not discussed there, and folks can check out an operation 2003 01:43:30.640 --> 01:43:33.760 GCD this and many other topics, especially relative to the 2004 01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:37.399 process church and folks like Buffalo Jared Rivisa that I 2005 01:43:37.439 --> 01:43:39.760 covered a few weeks ago on My Sunday's show, and 2006 01:43:40.199 --> 01:43:42.279 Edward Wayne Edwards I covered a couple weeks ago on 2007 01:43:42.319 --> 01:43:45.279 My Sunday Show, and Nathaniel bar Jonah I covered a 2008 01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:48.439 few weeks on My Sunday show, The Hardy's Cannibal. But 2009 01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:51.680 I do enjoy your your new marketing campaign of government 2010 01:43:51.800 --> 01:43:53.640 government cheese here as well, so I'm gonna call him 2011 01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:56.560 the Hardy's Cannibal. But yeah, folks can check that out there. 2012 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:59.479 And I my do a free free Patreon preview of 2013 01:43:59.479 --> 01:44:03.079 my Sunday sh shows there on YouTube, Rumble and Twister, 2014 01:44:03.199 --> 01:44:05.399 and then I do, uh, you know, my Patreon show 2015 01:44:05.439 --> 01:44:07.720 there on those Sundays and on Thursdays, I'm doing the 2016 01:44:07.760 --> 01:44:10.600 same thing with a free Patroon preview and the Anatomy 2017 01:44:10.640 --> 01:44:14.840 of Satanic Panic that focuses around uh. The ideas, the 2018 01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:17.560 continued investigation ideas of Dave McGowan and his Program to 2019 01:44:17.640 --> 01:44:21.159 Kill largely focused around the psychological syops to mind more 2020 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:24.520 of Michael Akino and his Colby's queers, because that's where 2021 01:44:24.560 --> 01:44:28.199 he came from the Phoenix program. So and I'm packing, 2022 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:30.800 how you know, using his own statements, how he's a 2023 01:44:30.840 --> 01:44:34.600 ball washping a ball he ball washes and Nazi Satanists 2024 01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:36.680 and his own words and z own book. 2025 01:44:37.199 --> 01:44:37.760 Uh. 2026 01:44:38.520 --> 01:44:40.319 And I'm also using his own words to prove that 2027 01:44:40.359 --> 01:44:42.880 he's using because he'll I have videos of him saying 2028 01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:45.680 I don't do I don't do magic on my military time. 2029 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.520 In his own book he's talking about doing thelemic rituals 2030 01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:51.159 on military duties. So again, I'm only using his own 2031 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:53.920 words in that series, using the words of Alistair Curley 2032 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:56.760 about the sato masochistic torture and murder of young boys 2033 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.680 in which to gain personal and financial success, to which 2034 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:03.199 to say when he ball washes Curle and Thalma, I 2035 01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:07.039 don't care if everyone participates in those extremist views of 2036 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.399 what's precisely what Crowley says. Clearly those Crowley words are 2037 01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.319 being we're seeing those exhibited time after time, and the 2038 01:45:13.359 --> 01:45:18.840 ritualistic satomasochistic murder, rape and cannibalism of young children and 2039 01:45:18.920 --> 01:45:22.800 young men, and following the prescription with especially these mutilated 2040 01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:24.840 gentilia like we've described to night, we seen with the 2041 01:45:24.880 --> 01:45:28.159 West Memphis three as well. This is repeated time after time. 2042 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:31.039 So I'm not only unpacking some of the more. I'm 2043 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.359 not going over the high profile murders in that series. 2044 01:45:33.439 --> 01:45:36.760 What started off doing is just unpacking the psychological operations 2045 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:39.960 focused around A Kino his activities in the presidio, and 2046 01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:42.479 then spotting off from there on different tracks of how 2047 01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:45.720 we see these replicating patterns of behavior time after time, 2048 01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.760 over and over in these same precise syops to mine 2049 01:45:48.760 --> 01:45:52.119 more that we get today. When I packed last week 2050 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.399 a documentary from two tenty twenty three in an interview 2051 01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:58.840 given by the filmmakers called Satan Wants You and they 2052 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:01.840 are literally and I compare and contrast that to Keyno's 2053 01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:04.840 own statements from his book. Is his email communications with 2054 01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:06.800 Dave McGowan back in two thousand and one on these 2055 01:46:06.800 --> 01:46:10.560 topics which are hilarious, and we see the same pattern 2056 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:14.039 behavior from a Keno in two thousand and one to 2057 01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:17.760 a Keyno in twenty twenty to these folks in twenty 2058 01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:20.199 twenty three, and it's the same statements, the same ignorance 2059 01:46:20.199 --> 01:46:22.239 of all these things, in the same perpetration of the 2060 01:46:22.239 --> 01:46:25.079 same propaganda. So ploks because I got that series there, 2061 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:28.399 and then you joined me quite often here recently for 2062 01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:30.239 some film reviews, Julian, we got some more of those 2063 01:46:30.279 --> 01:46:32.039 coming up on those from my Wednesday shows are going 2064 01:46:32.079 --> 01:46:32.680 to be film. 2065 01:46:32.479 --> 01:46:33.800 Reviews from this going forward. 2066 01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:36.560 And then Fridays I do a roundtable in which I'm 2067 01:46:36.560 --> 01:46:38.960 always looking forward for future roundtables of this nature. 2068 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:40.199 So hopefully you'll join me there. 2069 01:46:40.960 --> 01:46:43.239 Yes, I would love to. I'm so glad that we 2070 01:46:43.359 --> 01:46:46.159 met because we have so much in common in as 2071 01:46:46.199 --> 01:46:48.640 far as the topics we like to cover. I feel 2072 01:46:48.640 --> 01:46:51.199 like you understand a lot of the stuff that I 2073 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:55.720 try to present on my show, and sometimes but is 2074 01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:59.319 easily digestible as one would think. You know, I talk 2075 01:46:59.359 --> 01:47:02.119 about Laurel Canyon, I talk about Program to Kill, I 2076 01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:06.199 talk about you know, it's too much to be a coincidence. 2077 01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:09.079 There's definitely something more going on. So I was really 2078 01:47:09.279 --> 01:47:11.680 excited when we met because it seemed like you were 2079 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:16.079 already tracking with me and we understood what the fuck 2080 01:47:16.199 --> 01:47:17.199 was up right away. 2081 01:47:18.199 --> 01:47:22.079 You ain't kidding, You ain't kidding. I reciprocate those same thoughts, man. 2082 01:47:22.079 --> 01:47:24.000 When you drop the name Tuesday Weld on me, I 2083 01:47:24.039 --> 01:47:24.319 was like. 2084 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:29.800 All right, there you go talking about Yeah, yeah, that 2085 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:32.119 was actually really good's deep? I enjoyed it. 2086 01:47:32.399 --> 01:47:34.640 Yeah, I love that episode. I've listened to a couple times. 2087 01:47:34.680 --> 01:47:36.319 I don't usually listen to a lot of episodes. I'm like, oh, 2088 01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:39.279 because every because here's the thing. Every even in conversations 2089 01:47:39.279 --> 01:47:41.000 with you, I learned you blow up my brain hell 2090 01:47:41.039 --> 01:47:42.560 every time, man. But then I have to re listen 2091 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:44.920 to things. So I'm like, she makes some good points here, 2092 01:47:44.920 --> 01:47:46.000 she makes some good points here. 2093 01:47:46.720 --> 01:47:50.239 Well, thank you, I think so much joining me tonight too, 2094 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:53.000 because I feel like this was a barn burner, as 2095 01:47:53.000 --> 01:47:54.479 you would say, it's. 2096 01:47:54.399 --> 01:47:55.399 A real barn burner. 2097 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:57.560 I got a few tabs open to continue some reading 2098 01:47:57.600 --> 01:48:00.399 here tonight, and I appreciate your time for sure. Yeah, 2099 01:48:01.159 --> 01:48:05.000 J And any any more closing thoughts on that note, 2100 01:48:05.079 --> 01:48:05.680 We'll just end it. 2101 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:06.359 Then it'll good to go. 2102 01:48:07.199 --> 01:48:09.520 We're good to get all right. 2103 01:48:09.680 --> 01:48:10.159 Yes, ma'am. 2104 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:12.319 Thank you and thanks for the folks of the interwebs 2105 01:48:12.319 --> 01:48:14.000 and the cosmic peach folks of the inn webs. 2106 01:48:14.319 --> 01:48:19.439 Doctor, my eyes have seen the youth and slow great 2107 01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:24.920 of that Fright now I want to understand. 2108 01:48:27.279 --> 01:48:28.960 I have done all that. 2109 01:48:29.159 --> 01:48:34.760 I could see the evil and the glue without hiding. 2110 01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:44.520 You must help me a few can, Doctor, Tell. 2111 01:48:44.399 --> 01:49:00.199 Me what it's for them moment, for so m