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Speaker 1: I made a decision pay this sunny SUNet on.

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Speaker 2: I had a visions night. What's up everybody, It's Friday,

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Y got some stuff to talk about? Oh yeah, oh yeah,

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ah yeah. I gotta say, like, you know, when you

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come home from a trip and you're really tired and

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all you want to do is just get in your bed.

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So I got into bed after the trip and I

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put on Netflix and there it is Toxic Love Story

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and I was like.

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Speaker 1: Oh am, I gonna watch that shit out of this.

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Speaker 2: And then I watched some of it and I was

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like twenty minutes into it, and I was gonna text

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you to watch it, and you texted me you gotta

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watch it, and I was like, I'm already watching it.

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Speaker 3: I was like twenty five minutes in. That's so funny, crazy.

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That movie is such a rollercoaster.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Netflix has got some great docs now, they really do.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard people.

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Speaker 3: I heard some people complaining about it because they're like, well,

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I'm this far into it and I don't really like

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I don't get it or whatever, and it's like yeah,

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because it just keeps twisting. There's so many twists, so

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many twists. At first, when I started watching it. Okay,

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so it's about.

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Speaker 1: This, Yeah, spoiler alerts, we're going to spoil it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so I guess fast forward if you haven't

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seen it, but we gave.

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Speaker 2: You the warning on Tuesday to watch it.

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Speaker 1: But also here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: We're yes, spoiler alert, but also it's a case that's

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been in the news. Ye, so like a lot of

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people that you can still go into it knowing the

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story and it's still going to be like what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, yeah, you got to watch it. We're not

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doing any justice, do it. You got to watch it.

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Speaker 3: But remember that, remember that it was also a Netflix

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or a Hulu documentary and it had been a dateline

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story about this is different about it was a guy

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who was you know what exactly what I talk about

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because I thought, for a minute, I thought this was

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the same story.

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Speaker 1: But I was like, wait, but they weren't married.

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Speaker 3: It was a guy who dated this girl and then

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they broke up, and then he started dating this other girl, right,

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and then the second girl, well, the spoiler is that

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she started pretending to be the ex girlfriend. So he

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the guy breaks up the house girl because they're both like,

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he's like a single dad and he's like not ready

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for a relationship, and the other the girl's like okay, cool, cool, right,

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but she that girl was bipolar, right, but she still

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was like okay, right, and then fine. Then the second girl,

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who you don't know is totally crazy, is dating the guy,

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and she starts pretending that there's threats against her life

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and that it's the ex girlfriend who's super jealous, right, right,

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and then the ex girlfriend disappears. Yeah, because the second

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girlfriend freaking murdered her.

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Speaker 2: Right. It's a great I non't know the name of it,

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but it's really good of why or something. It was

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on Netflix and it was a dateline or so. Then

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I was like is this no? Because I kept seeing

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on Netflix coming July whatever, right, new documentary.

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Speaker 3: But I was just like, is this a story that's

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already been covered? There's already been a different documentary, like

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maybe it was HBO. But then as it got into it,

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I was like, no, because those people weren't married and

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this person's married.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I never heard this story before. And it happened in

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San Diego or where Iana close enough, right by Disneyland, Yes,

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close to us, So we were I'm like okay, yeah,

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I'm all in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: They even talked about like I feel like they said

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like the four or five something where I was like, yeah,

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I've been there.

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Speaker 1: Okay and not that long.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to be down there, like that's close

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to the front of Chapman.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there a lot.

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Speaker 3: Like if you guys need anybody to do any more

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research or anything, I could stop off and then help

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the feds get a little Nope, butk you know what

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I mean, interview some peeps, right Redeed hit the pavement.

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Speaker 1: Little Gumshoe.

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Speaker 3: I pitched a show many years ago when I was

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like pitching TV shows about like kid detectives, and we

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called it gum Shoes and the picture was like a

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shoe stepping up and there was like gum under it, right,

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And a couple of the people that we pitched it

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to were like, nobody knows that, saying, oh, come on,

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I know. I was like, gumshoe, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: So dumb? I know?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this story is fucking nuts. It twists and

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turned just when you think you're like, okay, I knows,

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I know.

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Speaker 1: The crazy one is like so you said.

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Speaker 3: It up because okay, So there's this girl there's a

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guy and he dated this girl and now he and

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they weren't married. They were just like boyfriend and girlfriend

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for a while. Then he gets a new girlfriend. We'll

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call her Scamanda. Right, he gets a new girlfriend. I

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think her name is Angie. Yeah, yeah, Angie. Right, So

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he's dating Angie and everything's fine, and they fall in

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love really fast, and they get married and she gets pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, no, he has this first before Angie

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has a girl. Well, it starts well, it's kind of

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like a pulp fiction because it kind of starts out

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that way. But then it goes back in time and

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you find out he had a girlfriend he bought the

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condo with, and then they broke up.

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Speaker 3: Right, and that's not a girlfriend. Yeah, they were together

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for a while. They weren't married, but they bought a

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condo together, and then they were engaged, yes, and then

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they broke up right then you don't really know why.

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in love really fast and she moves in, yes, and

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then she's pregnant. They're married, right, and there aren't like

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like she there's not a lot of red flags, right,

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out after the fact. Okay, So here's what happens.

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Speaker 1: It's honest.

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Speaker 3: They start getting she starts getting new Angie starts getting

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these threatening emails that are really weird and stalker ish

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that are.

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Speaker 1: Like, is watching you. Yeah, you the devil, You're the

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you're of the devil, and you know you're a horrible person.

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At your back, Yeah, watch your back. I'm gonna kill you.

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Speaker 3: And you're and your baby and burn child. It's like

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really crazy. So she goes to the police. They're like,

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we can't really do anything because she hasn't actually like

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threatened you, and we don't know where it's coming from whatever,

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and so now so the police come over to the Okay.

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Speaker 1: So then it escalates.

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Speaker 3: And that they whoever this is it's doing it is

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starting to set up like her getting attacked by a rapists, right,

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goes on some goes and looks on Craigslist and gets

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somebody who like is into that kind of thing, like

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a rape fantasy, and then they're like okay, And then

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somebody does come over who's like okay.

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Speaker 2: Grabs her by the back of her head, pushes her

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against the wall. She calls the police. The police came yes. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So then they finally take into custody the ex girlfriend, right,

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and they when you're watching this, you're like, Okay, I'm

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suspecting that the new girlfriend is doing it herself or something, suspecting.

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Speaker 2: Her from the very beginning for some reason.

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Speaker 3: Right, same, which you're supposed to right. But then so,

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but then they interview the ex girlfriend. I'm watching this

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with John, and the ex girlfriend is like, yeah, I

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did it, right those emails, she said, yeah, I wrote

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the emails.

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Speaker 1: And the ex girlfriend looks.

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Speaker 2: Great, crazy, her eyes blinking. They see that's what Netflix gets.

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good John, Netflix. She looks like she's goads. Maybe she

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had a mental break, because she admitted that she did

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send two of those emails, and.

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Speaker 3: She doesn't specify her to any She's like, yeah, I

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send emails in her eyes are darting all over the place.

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They're pushed out like big bug eyed, like yeah, like

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cotten a dear. Yeah right, So that's all you know

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at that point. So you're like, oh, I guess that

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bitch is crazy graze and was sending all these threatening emails.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, but why do. I kind of feel

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weird about that.

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Speaker 3: And she's the new girlfriend who's getting the threats is

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very intense about it. So when the police come over,

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she's like up in their face and pointing her finger

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and like that bitch is crazy. You should go arrest her,

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like you.

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Speaker 2: Know, okay with her husband in the living room too, right,

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And he's like, yeah, go get her.

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Speaker 3: She's crazy. Yes, and she did this to me and

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she did that to me and okay. So then you're like, okay,

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well this is wrapping up.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was like. Then.

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Speaker 2: I right when you text me, I paused it, and

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then I was like, wait a second, there's another half

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hour to this thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like some who done it? Yeah, Like okay,

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what are we wiposed?

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Speaker 1: I've done my job here, right, I took I took

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some statements. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, and then she goes to jail, she admits it,

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and then she's in jail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's in jail. So then they go back in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we find out that Angie meets this other

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and even fucked up past meets this other guy. Her

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ex boyfriend was this like, uh guy who worked for

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Speaker 1: Police, department.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and she says, oh, so did I I work?

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So they have all this stuff to come in and

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they fall in love right away, and then she gets pregnant. No,

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she got sick with cancer. Oh right, right, right right?

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A different scams? Not there, get a different scam. Too

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many scams and one Netflix dock. So then she gets

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cancer and then the boyfriend is like, oh no, like,

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I'm gonna support you. I'm so madly in love with you.

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with you to your chemo, you know, and she's like,

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oh no, I won't hear of it, Like I you

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are such a busy man, you are so important. Yeah,

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you've got really important things to do.

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Speaker 2: I got this. You need to come to my no

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terminally ill chemo.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I'm gonna be totally fine. Right. So she's

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then she's wearing a wig, she's.

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Speaker 2: Wearing a ski cap, she wears a yes, and then

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they interview one of her boyfriend's girlfriends, like a friend

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the girl, and she's like yes, and she's like being

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supportive of her friend's new girlfriend who's got terminally ill cancer,

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and she's like even cut her hair and you know,

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to like to support her because she lost her hair

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or whatever.

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Speaker 3: This woman, though, let's let's interject, Yeah, that one's kind

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of cry Leslie. The friend the just friends of the

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guy right, clearly was like in love with him.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Wait, you're talking about the woman they interviewed since the

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very beginning. Yes, yes, I'm talking about in the back

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in the day, that the friend that was like supporting

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her and then she was like, wait a minute, your

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hair is like you got more hair than I do, bitch?

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Speaker 1: Remember that? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, she immediately, which you would hope on any

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of these shows like Scamanda you need that friend that's

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like what the fuck?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Cancer? Right? I loved her because.

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Speaker 2: She called her out immediately immediately, and then they have

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this whole meeting to like fucking confront her boyfriend, her friends, everybody,

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and she's like, what's going on.

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Speaker 1: They're like, you don't have cancer. It's like, yes I do.

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Speaker 3: And they're like, no, you don't, bitch, show us the

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reports show yes, so whatever. She's like, well, I can't

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do that right now, and they're like get.

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The port, yes, and she's like a, yeah, you can't

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see it right now, it's basy. I don't know what

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her excuse was.

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Speaker 1: It's on vacation, right, it's closed for vandigram.

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Speaker 2: Shackline.

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Speaker 1: Oh god. So she's like, no, I can't, I can't.

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Speaker 3: And what you would hope for with all of these

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stupid scam shows is what happens here where everybody is like,

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get the fuck out done with you.

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Speaker 1: We want nothing more to do the best. You're a

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crazy liar. Yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: Then she moves on and she meets the guy. Then

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we pick we picked back up in the story.

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Speaker 2: Right, she's the one that married the guy said she

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was pregnant, So now she's now she's getting death threats.

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Speaker 3: So now we're watching it and you're like, well, is

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she pregnant? She all faked cancer?

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Speaker 1: Right? And also I believe.

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I feel like she didn't let him come to appointments

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for the baby. Yeah, same kind of playbooks she did

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with the answer right. So then but he doesn't really

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suspect as far as we know, she's not pregnant. Right,

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somebody tried to came and was like tried to attack

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me and they grabbed my hair and this is where

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I have some.

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Speaker 1: Questions for you.

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Speaker 3: So then it's still like now we're like three quarters

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of the way through and we're like okay, so oh

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so then he figures out that she's not really pregnant,

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and he's like, get out of here, right, So.

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Speaker 1: Now ex girlfriend's in jail.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's this guy is like this poor guy, like

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he had a crazy ex who is sending stocking emails

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and now the girl current girlfriend is like, was faking

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a pregnancy. You're like, this guy can't catch a break

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by right now, poor thing.

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Speaker 2: US Marshall guy, Yeah, US Marshall guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it wasn't. That was oh yeah, he's a US

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marginal day. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now you're like, fuck, there's still like twenty

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minutes left though.

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Speaker 2: Right, So okay, he breaks up with her because she's

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not really pregnant, and he did go to the police, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then he goes and reports her.

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Speaker 2: He reports her, but does he figure out that she

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was actually the one now doing those emails and the

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girl in jail's innocent.

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Speaker 1: What happened there?

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Speaker 3: Not so fast because then we find out. Then we

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find out they go back into his past, and then

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you find out that he's the fucked up one.

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Speaker 1: Right, So.

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Speaker 3: Two fucked up people found each other, just like how

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we have all these episodes where we're like, how does

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two guys find each other and go like, let's be

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serial killers together?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't one of them go wait a minute, you're a

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serial killer too.

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Speaker 2: Like the Hillside strangler. Yeah, his brother and his cousin. Yeah, like, hey,

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how about we go out and kill women, throw them on.

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Speaker 1: The side of the freeway. Right, great idea, Yeah I

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want to go to do that. I just wanted needed

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to be asked.

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Speaker 2: Go Wednesday or Thursday?

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Speaker 1: How do these two people find each other?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: So these two fucking crazy people. So this guy you

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find out, So now they go back again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Now the FEDS are looking into it because

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there's this one great fed yes who you're like, oh

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my god, finally, finally a reliable narrator.

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Speaker 3: Right when guy's like okay, everybody calm, he's like, calm

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the fuck down.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was he had to look into it because

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this guy was a US marshal, yes, and so he

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had they had to do more investigating. And then then

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he got like his his his uh, I guess he

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got his electronics and he downloaded like all these audio

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files and he figured out that this guy was the one.

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So the girl his wife. She went to jail to

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the wife right, yes, because he said the wife was

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actually doing it. Yes, And the girlfriend's innocent. That's in

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the jail, she's innocent.

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Speaker 3: So we find out that what had happened. What happened

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was the ex girlfriend had written she was totally crazy.

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insanely abusive and manipulative and was controlling everything about her,

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wouldn't let her go anywhere, wouldn't let her do anything,

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and he drove her so crazy, and she kept trying

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to break up with him, and he was abused, he

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was abusing her. She finally gets away from him, He

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steals she had put all the money down for the condo,

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kicks her out, and he doesn't pay her for any

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of the condo. She can't and then it just made

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her so crazy that she sort of lost reality and

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she found herself like doing them and Anne hash wandering

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around the desert waiting for like a UFO to come

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get her. Some good Samaritan find literally finds her like

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by the side of the road and takes her takes

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her to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: So she had sent a couple of emails that were

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kind of crazy, but none of the So then this

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guy is like, oh, here's my opening. I'm gonna send

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more of these emails, but they're gonna be way worse.

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Speaker 2: And frame her and frame me because because he hated

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her so much as a clean controller, and she was

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that kind of sweet and innocent that these types of

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guys prey on. She was very sweet, like she thought

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everything was a Disney princess movie. She was very innocent,

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and this guy was like hey, you know, he was

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great to her, but then one night he'd be like,

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how about like I have a guy come over and

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like rape, pretend rapio and she's like what the fuck?

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And then she's like, okay, mail, I'll do it once.

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Speaker 1: And then then I held that like oh okay, like

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it'll get it.

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Speaker 2: Scratch that itch, like because.

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Speaker 3: She's like he would not he was relentless, like He

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just kept saying, this is the thing that will make

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me happy. And she was like, oh my god, I

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guess if I want this guy to marry me, I've

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got to do this thing. And then she's like if

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I do it once, will you leave me alone? And

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he's like yeah, absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was the victim and all. I mean really,

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and she spent like four months in jail, you know,

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and anyway.

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Speaker 3: Emails that she sent were nothing real threatening now all,

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but they were like you're the Demon's gonna get you

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for this or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Right, they were crazy, but they weren't any of that.

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Speaker 2: But how does she like, how come she didn't go

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like those other emails are not mine? Like, you know,

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she just was like, yeah, I sent them, and they're like, okay,

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you're going to jail.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if they didn't tell her they might not.

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And they just said, here's these emails and we found

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that you wrote them, and she's like, okay, yeah I

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wrote them, and they're like welcome.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: Good, right, So she didn't know about the other emails that.

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So here's the other thing I don't get. He's crazy.

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Ematl's crazy number two wife who's also crazy and fakes

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everything' scamanda and then kicks her out and then she

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then she.

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Speaker 1: Goes to jail.

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Speaker 3: She's already she was already in jail, is what happened.

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They figured out, right the emails were coming from like

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her computer.

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Speaker 2: Right, I think, right? Which what he was doing that

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he was doing it, He was doing it.

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Speaker 1: She was just because she was in on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was in on it. So why did she

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throw him under the bus and go, hey, he was

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in on this? Like, she didn't say anything, She just

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went to jail.

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Speaker 1: That's what my question was that I don't get that.

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Speaker 2: I don't get that We're gonna have to go on

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Reddit or something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But then so then they're like the one office, this

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one guy that we're talking about, who was the reliable

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narrator is like, so then I started to get a

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bad feeling about this guy, right, And then you're like,

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oh shit, what y And then they started doing a

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deep dive on this guy and he's a horrible piece

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of shit, and then you find out about all the abuse,

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and then you find out that he was the one

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sending the emails right or definitely in on it.

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Speaker 1: Right, They were doing it together. Yes, crazy. Maybe is

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it possible.

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Speaker 3: That she did that that just wasn't in the documentary

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that she Maybe it was just like he did it

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too and they're like shut.

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Speaker 2: Up, ye, or maybe they didn't have enough evidence. Maybe

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that well, because.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that was the impetus for them doing such a

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deep dive on him.

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Speaker 2: Right, because once the Feds got involved, that's how they

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figured it out, you know. So yeah, the guy, the

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reliable narrator was like, all right, everybody, let me, let

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me explain you what happened.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and then.

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Speaker 3: Wow, and then he went to jail. Later, Yeah, for

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a long time. I think he is he still in jail.

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He might still be in jail.

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Speaker 2: He went to jail for like twenty years, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Although they didn't kill anybody.

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Speaker 2: No, no, they just it was cyberstocking also like interfering

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with the you know, investigations and stuff like just fucking

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crazy crazy crazy, so good, so good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't best in the way of like

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like you have on a questions, like we're saying it

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could have been even longer, but it was so good

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in the way that there's like twist, twist, twist, and

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you're like wait what Yeah, oh, no, wonder there was

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more time in this documentary. And then you're like, god,

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people are crazy.

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Speaker 2: The hell the hell, and now two crazy people found

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each other.

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Speaker 1: That that was just like wow, wow wow wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then okay, so I want to do a basically

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a shout out for our friend before we move on

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to our next topic. Karen Ford. For those of you, well,

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I didn't cut it out of Tuesday, but Karen Ford

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is my GLP one lady that a lot of you

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guys are using. So I'm not telling you anything you

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don't know, but I'm going to give you her phone

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number and just tell you that I found GLP ones

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after my whole a lifetime of like kind of dieting

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and you know, getting getting big and then trying to

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get small again and then going to the gym, and

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then having gone through menopause and being like, well now

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it's really hard to lose weight. I decided to try

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GLP ones. As everybody knows you've been hearing about my thing.

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And then I got Karen Ford's name from one of

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our listeners. It wasn't like random, somebody was using her.

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And now our friend Karen has like officially made this like.

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Speaker 1: A big business.

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Speaker 3: So she's doing it through like the online pharmacy, and

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you get the all the things you would get with

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those other services, but for less money. And you're kind

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of grandfathered into her prices on FCOL. So you're gonna

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you call her and you just say, hey, I'm an

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FCOL listener, can you hook me up? And she'll take

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you through it. So her number is nine four nine

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eight three six nine one four four. Her name is

474
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Karen Ford. She's on our page, on our Facebook page,

475
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and I'll just.

476
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Speaker 1: Put her freaking phone number for you.

477
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:03,839
Speaker 3: The description of the episode nice, so just unders sound great. Yeah,

478
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,880
what I'm doing to probably get a lot of listeners,

479
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,240
Like I'm sure people are gonna everybody wants to try those.

480
00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, will you turn the.

481
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: Air down a little like like not off? No, I

482
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,799
mean it's I'm not cold enough. I know I'm hot.

483
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,799
It is hot. It's like it's like a lake Havasu here.

484
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:24,799
Speaker 2: No, it's swampy.

485
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you okay really quick? This is just

486
00:23:29,079 --> 00:23:33,119
kind of funny. So for anybody that watched The Ultimatum

487
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,920
this season, yeah, I started watching it, okay, So it's

488
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,400
it's pretty good season.

489
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,559
Speaker 1: I'm kind of crazy. It's a little crazy.

490
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:45,279
Speaker 3: So there's this guy named Eddriss who doesn't isn't when

491
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:46,079
it doesn't.

492
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 1: Go into the trial marriage?

493
00:23:47,759 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: Is he the one with the curly curly hair?

494
00:23:49,799 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: No, okay, who had the curly curly hair? He was

495
00:23:54,200 --> 00:24:00,640
like the Yeah, he kind of was very immature. Oh no, no,

496
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,319
no no. But so two guys don't go into the

497
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,160
trial marriages.

498
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 3: That guy Gebrin, that's right, right, Yeah, that's young, he's

499
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:08,279
really young.

500
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:09,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

501
00:24:09,319 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: So this guy is really cute, looks a little bit

502
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:18,400
like Andy Garcia. Ooh, and he proposes to his girlfriend

503
00:24:18,839 --> 00:24:22,200
before they can go into the trial marriages. Now, apparently

504
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:28,880
in the reunion, he's apparently very crazy and he was

505
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,000
like abusive that he and he and that girl break

506
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,559
up and then she says like he was humiliating me

507
00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:36,680
and there's all this stuff.

508
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,079
Speaker 1: Wow, but now they're back together.

509
00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 3: Anyway, I was on social media and I saw that

510
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,599
he's been sober for like a really long time, okay,

511
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,680
like sixteen or seventeen years. So I was like, shit,

512
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,799
I want to get him on drunkish. Yeah, So I

513
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:56,079
sent him a message on Instagram and he got right

514
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,079
back to me, and he was immediately like, Hey, I

515
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,200
just want you to know that my behavior on the

516
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:02,680
reunion well done.

517
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I haven't seen the reunion, right because

518
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:07,680
I heard.

519
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 3: People talking about it on Reddit, but every time I

520
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,920
went to watch it, I was falling asleep, really, so

521
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,680
I never got to his part, right, I still need to.

522
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,400
So when he said that, he was like, I just

523
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,039
want you to know, like that behavior it's not like

524
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,920
represent it doesn't represent me. And I'm really sorry and

525
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,039
I feel really bad and like I've made amends and

526
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,480
all this stuff. And I was like, dude, I don't

527
00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:34,759
know because I haven't actually seen the reunion, but honestly,

528
00:25:34,759 --> 00:25:35,559
I don't really.

529
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,319
Speaker 1: Care, right right, right, so what like, my name's Caul.

530
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,359
That's exactly.

531
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: I still want him on the show to talk about sobriety.

532
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,039
I we don't even have to talk about the show

533
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:46,960
if you don't want. But he goes, I have to

534
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:52,039
check with Netflix pr department. So he's like, I'm gonna

535
00:25:52,039 --> 00:25:55,799
email Netflix and let you know, and the Netflix lady

536
00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:58,400
wrote back right away and was like hell yeah, when.

537
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, name of a day. That's great, that's nice,

538
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:03,200
that'll be fun.

539
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: That's good.

540
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,759
Speaker 2: They about the publicity. I'm sure you know, to have

541
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:08,279
him on it really.

542
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:11,839
Speaker 3: Does not have a lot of Instagram followers, and you know,

543
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,079
I'm sure that I'm not going to make him look bad.

544
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: I don't.

545
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously I'm gonna say I watched you on the show,

546
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,839
but and I will have seen the reunion, right, but

547
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,920
he's going to talk about sobriety. So yeah, that's good. Yeah,

548
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:30,319
that's good. Yeah, Well keep us to stop.

549
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:32,079
Speaker 1: Okay, So.

550
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Wait, there is another show actually on Hulu. It just

551
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,440
came out. My grandfather is Charles Manson.

552
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: I want to see that one.

553
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 2: I watched that one last night too, and it was

554
00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:47,400
pretty good.

555
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: It was really good.

556
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: Young she's, you know, and she's very close to her dad,

557
00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,720
and her dad's dad was Charles Manson. And she goes

558
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,119
out there and she talks to people that knew her

559
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,799
grandfather and she her and she documents her relationship with

560
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,240
her dad or dad was like a single dad who

561
00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,319
brought her up. You can see the resemblance. Her dad's

562
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,960
pretty cute actually, and she looked she's got kind of

563
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,519
like you can see the resemblance pretty much. But it's

564
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,839
pretty interesting. You can watch it. She cries a little

565
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:22,720
too Much's a little too much, and very close up

566
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:25,680
of the crying, oh, wanting a couple of things, but

567
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,319
like every other scene, she's like crying. Well, it's not

568
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,559
like it just happened, right, I mean, yeah, and you

569
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,359
wouldn't do anything wrong. So but yeah, you gotta watch it.

570
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,400
It's pretty, it's it's interesting.

571
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,519
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, and I want to also get to this court.

572
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,039
Speaker 3: Case that we could talk about. But I thought I

573
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:47,759
would tell you about this article that I found. Yeah, okay,

574
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:52,720
so the headline this isn't People magazine. I want your

575
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,279
take on this. The headline is mom thinks family dog

576
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,559
hated her so much it purposely attacked her daughter.

577
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: Wait, mom thinks fall.

578
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read you the I'm gonna read you the article. Okay.

579
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,759
Speaker 3: Heather and Nicholas Harris's child was injured by their wymerainer

580
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:11,480
love wine rainers.

581
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: They're so bad.

582
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: They got the white, they get the wirey, don't they have?

583
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,799
Oh they're very skinny too.

584
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,559
Speaker 1: They were like light brown. They're like Tope Colard with

585
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,599
like usually with like blue eyes.

586
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,559
Speaker 3: Right, and they are also in a lot of like

587
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,480
dog calendars. They're just very good looking. Sleek, very short

588
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,960
haired dogs. Okay, So a woman thinks her family dog

589
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:36,960
preferred her husband and hated her so much it purposely

590
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,119
attacked their young daughter.

591
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: Okay.

592
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 3: Heather and Nicholas Harris, Welcome to wymerainer a German hunting

593
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,200
dog named Remington into their home in twenty twenty one

594
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,640
when the pup was eight weeks old. So they got

595
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,519
them as a baby. Okay, she says. My husband had

596
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:01,279
wanted that breed his whole life, Heather said, just skipping

597
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:04,759
around a little. Remington, according to Heather, quote, ended up

598
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:09,119
being super clingy with Nicholas husband. Okay, so that's like

599
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,920
how Bob is with me, right, Okay? She added, quote

600
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160
he was obsessed with my husband and hated me.

601
00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: What. Okay, I'm reading this article. I'm like, this is

602
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:23,119
People magazine.

603
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: Like that is kind of strange.

604
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,839
Speaker 1: Oh, it hates me. It doesn't hate you, ad dogs

605
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,640
don't hate people, right unless you're like abuses? Right? Okay.

606
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: Heather explained that after quote a couple of incidents where

607
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:40,640
Remington had attacked our other dog, she and Nicholas took

608
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:41,319
him to the vet.

609
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,039
Speaker 1: Quote.

610
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 3: He was put on a mood stabilizer. By the way, relatable.

611
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,799
I've thought about that, like, maybe Bob needs some prozac. Yeah,

612
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:53,519
you know that's anxious, right, Okay, And had been on

613
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:57,039
the pill, not the birth control pill, on the on

614
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,000
the mood stabilizer for about eight months. There hadn't been

615
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,880
any more incidents, but he still had some issues sharing. Okay,

616
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,079
now listen, by the way, don't hear this. This is

617
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,480
a very sad story and this dog sucks. But like

618
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,599
it's just this woman's point of view is weird, right, Okay.

619
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Two years later, in twenty twenty three, Heather and Nicholas

620
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,880
welcome to daughter Savannah, changing up their family dynamic by

621
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,640
adding another human in the mix. A year later, tragedy

622
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400
struck that forced the couple to put their child first.

623
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:34,960
So here's what happened. October twenty twenty four. Heather was

624
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,839
at home with her then eleven month old child, who

625
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,039
was using her walker to get around the kitchen.

626
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 1: Quote.

627
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:44,279
Speaker 3: I'd always tried never to keep my eyes off her

628
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,960
or leave her in a room with him unattended, the

629
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,880
mom said, referring to her child and the pet. At

630
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,519
one point, Heather said she heard a snarl coming from Remington,

631
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,160
and she quote then heard a loud scream from my daughter.

632
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:00,880
Rushing into the room, Heather found that the animal had

633
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,319
attacked Savannah. He literally took a chunk of her cheek out,

634
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:08,319
she said of Remington. There was blood everywhere. The chunk

635
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,160
was on the floor. It was so traumatic. Oh my right, horrible, horrible.

636
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
I could barely breathe. She was inconsolable. I was in

637
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,480
such shock.

638
00:31:18,319 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

639
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,559
Speaker 3: Savannah was rushed to children's hospital after the attack, and

640
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:26,440
there she underwent surgery to have a bioengineered synthetic skin

641
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,200
replacement fitted to help regrow cells on her face. Okay,

642
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,839
so I'm not going to read any more about that matter.

643
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,240
But she's doing okay, okay, And she says, I think

644
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920
if he'd gotten her in the right spot, he probably

645
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,799
could have killed her. He added, She added, this is

646
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:46,039
the mom and then the dog was put.

647
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: To put down.

648
00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 3: Okay, but then this is the end of this. This

649
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,119
is like the end of the article.

650
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: She goes.

651
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,279
Speaker 3: Looking back, she thinks the canine went after her daughter

652
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:57,880
because of his disdain for her.

653
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:58,839
Speaker 1: Quote.

654
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: I feel like this was target it at me. Ever

655
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,799
since Savannah was born. I feel like he was even

656
00:32:04,839 --> 00:32:06,359
more clinging with my husband.

657
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: Quote.

658
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: He just loved my husband, and I felt Savannah was

659
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,640
the one thing he could get back at me for,

660
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:19,519
continued Heather f Yeah, and she basically is like, if

661
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,960
your dog shows any aggression, I think they may need

662
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,240
to be removed from the home. Yeah obviously yes, But

663
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,039
like you, she thinks this dog that was adopted at

664
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,039
eight weeks is like a bad send.

665
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: You guys like agenda right.

666
00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: Like writing down face?

667
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:36,559
Speaker 2: Is it?

668
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: Like, oh today mom went in the kitchen and didn't

669
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,200
fix me a snack. That bitch, I'm going to get

670
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000
her child to get back at her.

671
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,359
Speaker 2: That's crazy, right, That is crazy down crazy crazy, Like.

672
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: No, you're dog also for an aggressive dog that I

673
00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:56,240
get it, But like, how are you like, Oh, he

674
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:59,039
loved my husband. He just's trying to attack my child

675
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:00,440
to get because he hates me.

676
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: The dogs don't, They don't think that way. They're not

677
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,240
plotting against you. It's not a dog out of a

678
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:09,000
horror movie.

679
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:14,559
Speaker 3: Maybe the dog's grandfather Charles Manson, Right there you go, Yes,

680
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:18,720
it's a bad seed. Yeah, that's crazy. Will I say

681
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,319
that out loud to People magazine?

682
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: Tell it to your other crazy friends exactly other weird.

683
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: But it's like you're gonna say you've had a few

684
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,119
glasses of wine, keep it to yourself. You're still processing

685
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,079
your trauma. You're like, I know this is gonna sound

686
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,960
super nuts, right, but I sometimes I would feel like

687
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,920
the way the dog.

688
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: Was looking at me, like okay, And then your friends

689
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,920
could be like, dude, okay, crazy relax. Yeah, but you're.

690
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: Like sitting there with People Magazine like like, here's my theory.

691
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: You better watch for your dogs. Yes, they might be

692
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,279
doing the.

693
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:54,359
Speaker 2: Same public service announcement. Yeah, although I do have a

694
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,359
crazy friend that might think the same way, just saying.

695
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's possible. Okay. So then we wanted to talk

696
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,640
about this sad court case. Oh it's so sad.

697
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I saw that there was

698
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:11,760
like opening statements this morning. It's the Lance Lindsey Clancy story.

699
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,679
It's really sad because she was apparently struggling with postpartum.

700
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,400
She had three kids, like young under the age of

701
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,519
like six, and she had been struggling. Was a young couple.

702
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:31,239
Husband went to go get food, She killed the kids,

703
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:36,079
and then she went outside and tried to kill herself

704
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:40,880
by slitting her throat, and the husband found her and

705
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,840
was like, what are you doing? What is going on?

706
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,559
Where are the kids? Because he knew that she's been

707
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,440
struggling with a lot of postpartum and she was like,

708
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,199
they're in the basement. Now. She is like paralyzed now

709
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:57,480
from the waist down, and she's on trial. She fully

710
00:34:57,519 --> 00:35:01,480
admits that she did it. Her defenses, and her husband

711
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:05,239
has now actually remarried and had kids pretty quickly and

712
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,400
has moved on. But he's very supportive to her, and

713
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,119
he's testifying today like for the prosecution, but he's sticking

714
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,760
up for her, saying basically, we've gone so many, so

715
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,440
many doctors. She wasn't quiet about it. She kept telling

716
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,679
me she was having these ideations of self harm, harming

717
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,480
the kids. It's been going on for actually years, and

718
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:34,079
they put her right before the murders. They put her

719
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,920
on like I think they said, like twenty two different

720
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,079
medications in that year. Yes, and they were going today

721
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,119
they were going through all the different medications. But he

722
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,800
was the first witness that the husband was the first

723
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,599
witness on the stand today. So it's going on right

724
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:51,119
now in Boston.

725
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,079
Speaker 1: So why didn't they get her help soon?

726
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: They tried, They tried. I think they're gonna say basically

727
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:04,519
like the doctors or some she was failed along the

728
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:10,880
way because they tried. Yeah, turned the air down to

729
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,760
sixty six nice.

730
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: Well, like, what did he has?

731
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 2: Has?

732
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: The husband said, like what some of the signs were,

733
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,760
because obviously he thought as soon as he saw he

734
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,199
was like where the kids?

735
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: Right?

736
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 2: He didn't he Actually, I think of what I heard.

737
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,719
I could be wrong, but I think I heard that

738
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,719
he's quit his job and started working from home to

739
00:36:31,079 --> 00:36:31,880
keep an eye on her.

740
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: Oh Andy, they were.

741
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, they were going to a lot of different appointments,

742
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:42,239
uh huh, and they just couldn't get anything going, Like

743
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,199
they couldn't get I don't know, I don't know. We're

744
00:36:46,199 --> 00:36:47,559
gonna have to see how it happened.

745
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: The last one, remember the one that was Andrea Yates. Yeah,

746
00:36:52,840 --> 00:37:00,280
her husband and she killed her kids and her husband rusty, Yeah, okay,

747
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,280
they had he kept making her have more kids even

748
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,719
though she had horrible postpartum psychosis.

749
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,599
Speaker 2: And he was like they were religious. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

750
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,239
that one was that was different. Yeah, the husband was

751
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,000
like kind of ignored I think the symptoms, whereas this

752
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:17,039
is totally different.

753
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: But had she had any of these symptoms with the

754
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,920
first kid or the second kid.

755
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: Because like I think it kept going because the kids

756
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,760
are not that far in age, Like, why.

757
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,039
Speaker 3: Have three if you're experience if you experience postpartum psychosis,

758
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:35,760
that's not treated right, right, because obviously you have the

759
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,119
third one. I'm not judging by the way I'm saying.

760
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,599
It seems weird that it's like it's one thing if

761
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:44,519
you have it with the first one. I know people

762
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:49,079
this has happened to that get like post really bad postpartum,

763
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,920
like the serious psychosis kind, then get treated and then

764
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,400
they know what to do, Like they decide to have

765
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,960
another one, but they know they're going to.

766
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: Have to get treated right away.

767
00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

768
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also know.

769
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: People that had that happened with the first one, and

770
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,960
then we're like absolutely not having another.

771
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,159
Speaker 1: Right, like right, not worth the risk. Yeah.

772
00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,199
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I know I should. I mean,

773
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,079
I was just listening to it on my way in

774
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,639
about it and it's just really sad. But we'll see

775
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:19,840
what happens. Yeah, any Karen read updates, not that I

776
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,760
know of. There's always updates, there's always stuff going on,

777
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,880
but I don't know. I got to catch up. I haven't.

778
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need something like I need something to keep

779
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,400
up on. Yeah, now that Blake Lively is not.

780
00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Oh and then I heard that

781
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,840
Ryan Reynolds was at Comic Con and he's such a douche.

782
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,599
I didn't hear anything like he's just I can't stand him.

783
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,639
I just can't look at him the same at him

784
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:44,920
and her.

785
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: What are they saying? He was acting like.

786
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: I just like it was making it all about him,

787
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,159
And you know, I think that that side of the

788
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,360
audience and comic Con fans, they don't give a shit

789
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,800
about the Baldoniana Lively, so he's always going to have

790
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,519
that built an audience her. I don't know what she's

791
00:39:03,559 --> 00:39:05,280
going to do, Like who's going to want to work

792
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,280
with her? I mean, she wasn't even doing movie great

793
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,679
movies before It Ends with Us. She ruined her fucking career.

794
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,639
She could have done It Ends with Us part one,

795
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,599
Part two, part three, and sailed off in the Sunset,

796
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,400
but no, she fucked it up.

797
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:22,639
Speaker 1: So I don't know.

798
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: I don't know, like if she's ever gonna people are

799
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,239
talking about it, like is she ever going to work again?

800
00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:29,400
Like what director is going to want to work with her?

801
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,719
I know, but you could get a director like the

802
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,719
guy that directed Simple Whatever, and you know that doesn't

803
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,599
care about that stuff. Who knows, I don't know.

804
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we go, I'll just recommend that I have

805
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,360
been listening to I went back because of my memory problems,

806
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,519
which the good side of my memory problems, I went

807
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:57,480
back to The Opportunist. And remember this Sherry Shriner story

808
00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:01,760
sounds she was like a weird doomsday like cult.

809
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah.

810
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such a fucked up story. Unfortunately you have

811
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,960
to pay. But what I did is I bought like

812
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,880
a trial, right, and so I can I can listen

813
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,280
for like a week. Yeah, yeah, I can get through

814
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,440
all the episodes I want to get through. So I'm

815
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:18,320
just trying to hurry up.

816
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: What's it called.

817
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 3: It's called The Opportunist. Opportunist and if you if you

818
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,159
do the trial, they re Sheherry Shriner's stuff was some

819
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,840
of the first stuff they ever did. And there's like

820
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:34,440
two hundred episodes but so but luckily they put them

821
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,920
all as the most recent.

822
00:40:37,079 --> 00:40:40,079
Speaker 1: So, like the whole podcast is basically behind a paywall.

823
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:42,280
What is it? What's it about?

824
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: Is she she's a.

825
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: It's about a cult.

826
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 3: It's about like a weird doomsday cult and what she

827
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,960
was like on the radio, and it was during COVID

828
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,559
and stuff, and she just does not seem like anybody

829
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,119
that would really be running a cult because she kind

830
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,880
of tacks like, you know, she's like, yeah, my name's

831
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,639
like Sherry Shriner, and and they she wants everybody to

832
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:06,079
make Orgon. It's like it's just weird conspiracy theory. But

833
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,599
then you're like, how do these people get sucked in?

834
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:12,159
And they're like they call themselves Orgon Warriors, and they're like, yeah,

835
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,159
Sherry Shriner, she's keeping them all safe from the aliens.

836
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 1: I think. I remember she gets into.

837
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 3: A fight with this other cult, this other like conspiracy theorist,

838
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,639
because the other conspiracy theorist is like a weird religion

839
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,440
conspiracy theorist. But so they get they're doing an appearance

840
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,400
together on some show and everything's going great until it

841
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,480
turns out that but Sherry Shriner also believes in aliens,

842
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,719
and the other lady's like wait what like but they're

843
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,440
both super fucking crazy, right, conspiracy crazy and crazy Yeah,

844
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,239
like the blood of this and the blood of that.

845
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,880
They're like, yeah, bonded. And then Sheerry's like yeah, but

846
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,039
the aliens and the other one's like, wait ah, that's

847
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:54,280
not Jesus quoted for me. I don't believe in aliens.

848
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,599
And she's like, well, you're stupid, and then they have

849
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:58,880
a big fight and like Sherry hangs up on her.

850
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so good.

851
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: I love Crazy on Crazy Grind.

852
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's like eight episodes.

853
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: That's great.

854
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,159
Speaker 1: I gotta listen. I kind of remember, didn't she.

855
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: Anytime I see people online that have like that purply

856
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:18,039
cosmic stars, ever see those like as their avatar or

857
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,760
like a unicorn, Like it's always purple and stars and

858
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:27,840
like a Bolliage Colerie thing, I'm always like, good cut goo.

859
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,679
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yes, yes, but so in a row. Remember

860
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,480
last week I told you to go back and listen

861
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,719
to Till Swan right the Gateway right, But now I'm

862
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:37,800
on to Sherry Schriiner.

863
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: And there's another little longer.

864
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:42,679
Speaker 3: Series in there if you go way back about this

865
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,280
guy named Chris Baffam who was who ran rehabs.

866
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember that guy.

867
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's in jail right now. He

868
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,920
was scamming. He was pulling these scams. A lot of

869
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,760
crazy people involved with that story. My tie to it

870
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,360
is I remember they did this article about him in

871
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,679
the La Times years ago, and I was like, oh

872
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:07,400
my god, this is crazy. Then I was in children's

873
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,559
hospital with Sadie in like the blood draw room. You know,

874
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,639
you just start like striking up a conversation with another

875
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,960
mom with her kid, and I was talking to this

876
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:22,840
mom and somehow it came out this quickly that her

877
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,320
husband runs rehabs. And I was like, oh, what's his name? Like,

878
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:29,559
you know, I was sober at the time, and she

879
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,599
was like Chris Batham and I.

880
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: Was like, oh shit, wow guy.

881
00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:37,119
Speaker 3: Of course I wasn't like, oh I know who that is.

882
00:43:37,159 --> 00:43:40,039
I just read about the shoe's scandal right right. He

883
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:41,519
wasn't in jail at the time.

884
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 2: So it was after the article came out.

885
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: After the article came out, she must have thought, I

886
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:46,800
didn't read the article.

887
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,599
Speaker 2: Why would you want to brag about that? I don't know,

888
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,079
but it just came out like that's insane.

889
00:43:53,159 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, that's of extra interest.

890
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 3: It's very similar to something happening in van Ey's.

891
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Now it's like, oh, I I know I know that guy.

892
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:07,320
Speaker 3: Now man, Yeah, all right, well, let's say hello to

893
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:12,760
our beautiful listeners again. We got Dick Frolicker and Nikki

894
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,679
call your girl, Elizabeth Williamson, a lot of kiddies.

895
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,199
Speaker 1: And who's rocking him?

896
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,159
Speaker 2: Uh? And Red and her Massy yet.

897
00:44:21,079 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paully, we love your pancakes.

898
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 2: Valerie hits it out of the park, Katerina, check that Mueller,

899
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,400
Gaby and Missy. They made it back from Arizona, but

900
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,800
they went in the wrong direction, so now they're in

901
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:42,639
like Barstow, Rebecca Uh, Sean Voje Pei Oht, nice ass,

902
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:47,519
Kelly Brandt, she's your aunt. Alicia Scalante City Vale Monte Leslie,

903
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,000
stop it with the coughing.

904
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,639
Speaker 1: Aaron is a dirty Sanchez. Sandra not easy being green.

905
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,800
Rista gets trapped. Katie's rolling on e. Adam Lerner he's

906
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,880
our car guy. Adam's got a car.

907
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 3: Please check him out if you're looking to get another vehicle, and.

908
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: We will see y'all next week. Your parent, now, don't

909
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:11,119
have it out that angel