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Speaker 3: And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob.
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Speaker 4: you know, first item on the agenda. As more people
Speaker 4: are joining in, everybody welcome. We do, in fact love
Speaker 4: our Tuesday Night lives. Jonathan, have you heard that there
Speaker 4: is a new type of slur that is making its
Speaker 4: way around the internet.
Speaker 2: Oh, give it to me, I'm ready.
Speaker 4: It is a slur specifically for AI bots.
Speaker 5: I heard it.
Speaker 4: This so not just clanker, not just clanker quote clanker,
Speaker 4: cogsucker gear back. Yeah, there's a list of them. There's
Speaker 4: a fucking list of them. And yeah, I thought it
Speaker 4: would be great for all of us good cult members,
Speaker 4: just as you think of a new derogatory slur for
Speaker 4: what will one day be our inevitable AI overlords. Right,
Speaker 4: and it's not just for AI chat bots, it's for
Speaker 4: the actual AI robots that Tesla's creating as this episode
Speaker 4: goes on. And you just got one that comes to
Speaker 4: you like a lightning beam, Boult, you know what the
Speaker 4: funk I mean? Send it in the chat, all right,
Speaker 4: I want tonight, We just we're gonna make a whole
Speaker 4: list specifically for the cult who believes that the AI
Speaker 4: robots should be called derogatory names. I personally, my favorite
Speaker 4: as of this moment is Cogsucker. But I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: open to everything here. I will not speak about my
Speaker 4: AI in those terms. I for one, am grateful that
Speaker 4: my AI overlord allows us to have a podcast.
Speaker 6: Actually, yeah, you never know that, like this information could
Speaker 6: get funneled back into the AI system. So, like, what
Speaker 6: was that you said back in twenty twenty five?
Speaker 2: You said some shit about Cogsucker?
Speaker 4: Is that what?
Speaker 3: I fucking right?
Speaker 4: Goddamn clankers won't tell me what to do? Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: oh I get down with this.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 4: Oh man, that's bad. Getting over to the chat, Luke said,
Speaker 4: what up? The yoked Yid said, good evening, my peeps.
Speaker 4: What up?
Speaker 2: Dano said, Happy Tuesday to my coec family. Don't mind me.
Speaker 4: I'm just here to bask in the cult of conspiracy ambiance.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm it do be, basketball, It do be. The
Speaker 4: yoke Yid had a shared a screenshot says Alpha males
Speaker 4: when they learned their favorite Greek philosopher was a homosexual,
Speaker 4: femboy enjoyer. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them don't understand
Speaker 4: the like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, like all of them as
Speaker 4: a matter of fact. But it's the same thing whenever
Speaker 4: you see all these these dudes are like, oh, I
Speaker 4: just want to be like the Spartans were in It's like, brother,
Speaker 4: have you looked at that culture? Like yeah, you seen
Speaker 4: three hundred, but like realistically how that culture operated and
Speaker 4: functioned and most of ancient Greece and most of Rome,
Speaker 4: I should say, it's like you sure you want to
Speaker 4: emulate all of it or like just some some features
Speaker 4: and some characteristics. You know, you're taking the cliff notes
Speaker 4: and like that's cool, but yeah, that's a thing. I
Speaker 4: mean I think that I would rather be Plato than
Speaker 4: Lot's gonna throw that out there. You would rather be
Speaker 4: Plato fucking little boys than Lot, who got.
Speaker 6: Screwed over by his own daughters. Yeah, pretty sure, I
Speaker 6: would rather fuck some strange little That's.
Speaker 2: They're both fucked up. Whoa, whoa, it's come on, bro,
Speaker 2: that's fucked up. That's the most fucked up.
Speaker 4: At least they were adults, were they? I thought they
Speaker 4: were younger?
Speaker 2: No, all right, well just delete me then?
Speaker 4: Oh man, uh, Nick, you want to okay, never mind that, Nicholas,
Speaker 4: do you want to tune in there?
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, we're on pedophilesh I'm not talking about that.
Speaker 2: Spared animal wants to speak up?
Speaker 5: Though? What to do?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 7: They do as I came in, which Greek army it was,
Speaker 7: but they were raised up like the the younger man.
Speaker 8: I believe it was really when they were boys. But
Speaker 8: they would grow up.
Speaker 7: They would service the older gentlemen, and it was a
Speaker 7: perpetual cycle. They believe that no, that no one would
Speaker 7: fight harder than two lovers would. That was their military
Speaker 7: was indoctrinated into homosexuality.
Speaker 8: But you gotta keep in mind. Athens are notoriously known
Speaker 8: as boyfuckers. They even say that in the movie three
Speaker 8: hundred Yeah.
Speaker 4: So the group you're talking about is the Golden Band
Speaker 4: of Thebes, right, not thieves is in like theft thieves
Speaker 4: is in the city, and uh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: It was an entire military unit strictly comprised out of
Speaker 4: homosexual couples, and there would be an older guy and
Speaker 4: a younger guy and they would like couple them up,
Speaker 4: and that was their whole mentality by behind it. For
Speaker 4: the record, we should at least give credit where it's due.
Speaker 4: They had an extremely impressive battlefield record. Like not saying
Speaker 4: the best of the time, they were arguably in the
Speaker 4: conversation of being one of the greatest units of their
Speaker 4: day and age. Like no, no, but I think when
Speaker 4: you're wearing brass greeves, I think that's classified as like
Speaker 4: an ancient boot band. But it's still gay. There's no
Speaker 4: way around it, even if you're wearing them. No, but
Speaker 4: they wouldn't see it like that.
Speaker 7: If you're the top, you only gay if you're a
Speaker 7: bottom in that culture, I.
Speaker 4: Guess that also goes both ways. I mean you would
Speaker 4: think that by younger guy, we mean like you know,
Speaker 4: twenty year old and a forty year old fighter, Like
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe it was younger, Maybe it's like
Speaker 4: a fourteen year old and a forty five year I
Speaker 4: don't know, Like Harold and Kumar whenever they escaped to
Speaker 4: Guantanamo Bay, they got locked up in that prison cell
Speaker 4: and the guy was like, you're gonna suck my dick
Speaker 4: and he goes well. They're like, well that's gay, and
Speaker 4: he's like, I'm not gay. You're the one sucking my dick.
Speaker 9: Hey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah that South Park episode Cartman did it to Butters,
Speaker 4: it's a whole Yeah, it's about it's older episode Man
Speaker 4: from back in the day. Cartman comes to school. He's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I finally got Butters so good. I sucked his dick.
Speaker 3: Now he's gay haha.
Speaker 4: And they're like, wait what Cartman, That's not how that
Speaker 4: works at all. And then he tried to like find
Speaker 4: a way to coorus Butters to sucking his day to
Speaker 4: like negate the gayness. Carbon is just always doing the
Speaker 4: most this, you know, how he'd be. So I looked
Speaker 4: this Plato situation up, and I was unaware that this
Speaker 4: was as often so. But it says Plato's works often
Speaker 4: explore themes of love and mentorship, particularly in the context
Speaker 4: of pederasti, which was a socially acknowledged relationship between older
Speaker 4: men and younger boys in ancient Greece. However, it is
Speaker 4: important to understand that these relationships were complex and culturally specific,
Speaker 4: and Plato's philosophical discussions do not.
Speaker 2: Imply personal and in such practices.
Speaker 4: So it wasn't a social taboo. That doesn't make it
Speaker 4: less fucked up, Like, you know, like we've talked about, right,
Speaker 4: when the Aztecs do their flower wars once a year
Speaker 4: and they will go out to their neighboring tribes and
Speaker 4: take prisoners just to come back and cut out. There's
Speaker 4: still beating hearts and all of this shit. They thought
Speaker 4: that this was a cultural norm for them. We would
Speaker 4: see it as barbaric, Like, you know, just because they
Speaker 4: thought it was okay and socially acceptable for their day
Speaker 4: and age in place, doesn't mean that we acknowledge that
Speaker 4: to be like, you know, okay, so you know, one
Speaker 4: of them things go ahead.
Speaker 5: And Nick I was just gonna say, does that same
Speaker 5: kind of I guess rationale apply to I don't know,
Speaker 5: all blood sacrifices across all cultures.
Speaker 4: I muldn't say all blood sacrifices. I would say human sacrifice,
Speaker 4: Like just because this group acknowledges that to be a
Speaker 4: good thing, we our culture does not.
Speaker 3: And it's like it's a cultural difference, and I understand that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think there's ever gonna be a
Speaker 4: context to where fucking an adolescent is gonna like be eyed.
Speaker 4: And again I'm speaking from a modern American perspective. There's
Speaker 4: probably somewhere somebody disagrees with me for cultural reasons.
Speaker 5: I don't you know, do you believe in uh, objective morality?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: No, Well, exactly define exactly what you.
Speaker 3: Mean by that.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't believe that truth is subjective. I don't
Speaker 4: believe that right and wrong are inherently subjective. There's a
Speaker 4: lot of it that comes from your upbringing and society
Speaker 4: to which you were raised.
Speaker 3: And I get that, but I also.
Speaker 4: Don't believe that you can't go to a certain level
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 5: So right, objective morality, so there is a standard of
Speaker 5: morality that is consistent across the board, no matter what
Speaker 5: culturally or whatever. Like, how about I think objectively, we
Speaker 5: can probably all agree that pedophilia in any way, it's
Speaker 5: probably not probably that it is wrong, and that if
Speaker 5: it's subjectively accepted in other cultures, that doesn't make it okay,
Speaker 5: because it is objectively wrong across the board, and that
Speaker 5: there there is a sort of scale that could and
Speaker 5: should be applied for many moral things that exist.
Speaker 10: I get this.
Speaker 4: Standard, yeah, and so I would agree with that statement,
Speaker 4: but that doesn't hold water when you get that from
Speaker 4: the perspective of somebody living in another culture. Right, So,
Speaker 4: like for instance, Afghanistan, we in America we find child
Speaker 4: brides and general mutilation of young girls, right, female circumcisions.
Speaker 3: That's horrible and wrong.
Speaker 4: Objectively, we can all say that that's wrong, even though
Speaker 4: over there it's been done for generations and they see
Speaker 4: it as not even like a norm that's the way
Speaker 4: it should be done. That's why I'm saying, like, we
Speaker 4: can look at it as objective from our perspective, but
Speaker 4: they don't see it that way. I mean, it's but
Speaker 4: I also don't believe that perspective makes it okay either.
Speaker 4: I believe that there should be objective morality, but that
Speaker 4: only goes as far as the conversation that the person
Speaker 4: you're willing to have is willing to go if that
Speaker 4: makes sense. Yeah, I know it gets complex. I agree.
Speaker 4: It's like when we've talked about that too, it's like,
Speaker 4: don't kill your mother.
Speaker 3: No one had to like tell.
Speaker 4: You that that was a thing you shouldn't do, right like,
Speaker 4: And I've heard that too. If like you need a
Speaker 4: book to tell you how to be a good.
Speaker 3: Person, then you're not a good person in the first place.
Speaker 4: And I think that there's a little bit of merit
Speaker 4: to that, But I'm also of the belief that there's
Speaker 4: no such thing as a good person. Like, objectively speaking,
Speaker 4: we all have done shit that's horrible different levels, in
Speaker 4: different scopes, and I you knowerstand that, But that doesn't
Speaker 4: make any one of us any better or worse than
Speaker 4: the other. We're all like, we're all sinners, we're all
Speaker 4: trash in that respect.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: There's there's levels to that as far as that goes
Speaker 4: as well. But again, we're looking at that from an
Speaker 4: American perspective, and it's it's very difficult to try to
Speaker 4: throw in the cultural norms of someplace that we really
Speaker 4: don't even understand. It's it's one of those things. But
Speaker 4: good question.
Speaker 3: So, do you, I would assume that you do believe
Speaker 3: in objective morality?
Speaker 5: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the dudes in Afghanistan, do you think that
Speaker 4: they feel like what they're doing is wrong but they're
Speaker 4: doing it anyway because of like societal pressures or do
Speaker 4: you think that they believe that it's right and good
Speaker 4: and proper because they've been doing it for so many generations.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that there's tons of people that believe
Speaker 5: that that they're righteous or that they're doing whatever they're doing.
Speaker 5: Most most people in general, I think, think that whatever
Speaker 5: they're doing is right in their mind. You know, that
Speaker 5: doesn't make the crazy serial killers that are doing it
Speaker 5: because you know, God told him to or whatever, or
Speaker 5: Hitler because he's you know, whatever, you name him. They
Speaker 5: all think they're doing the right thing. And that's where
Speaker 5: I think, you know, the obvious objective morality does come
Speaker 5: into play, and that is where you know, I guess
Speaker 5: I I feel like I draw my lines on what
Speaker 5: objective morality is and why I struggle with certain ideas
Speaker 5: across a lot of different cultures that you know, there's
Speaker 5: certain things that are deemed like acceptable or not. And yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean that's just where I'm at with it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I get it, and I've heard a lot
Speaker 4: of very deep philosophical thinkers have this back and forth debate.
Speaker 4: But it's everybody's basically subject to their own biases, right,
Speaker 4: And I mean, there's nobody that's infallible in that regard.
Speaker 4: And some of those biases come from your upbringing, some
Speaker 4: of it comes from whatever religion you claim, some of
Speaker 4: that comes from just culture and experiences that you've personally
Speaker 4: had in your life to get to the point and
Speaker 4: where you're at, and it's it's a very messy conversation,
Speaker 4: you know, And it goes into is there such a
Speaker 4: thing as objective truth?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: And I don't. I don't believe that there is such
Speaker 4: a thing as subjective truth. I believe that truth is
Speaker 4: very much of a binary nature. It either is or
Speaker 4: it is not. It's like basketball, either it goes in
Speaker 4: the hoop where it does not. The conversation of right
Speaker 4: and wrong, that's where it gets more into the well,
Speaker 4: what is right? What is right for this person may
Speaker 4: not be right for this person, and it it gets
Speaker 4: way more open ended.
Speaker 5: But you no for sure, and like I guess, I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to get into it too much. But the
Speaker 5: where if you draw certain lines about what's right and
Speaker 5: what's wrong objectively, you know, the killing of X, Y
Speaker 5: or Z, or the slavery or the even the idea
Speaker 5: of doing certain things, and like if you're strict to those,
Speaker 5: then you can see where a lot lot of things
Speaker 5: that do come up in the Bible don't compute. And
Speaker 5: if you like things that you would say objectively are
Speaker 5: wrong now like in this day and age, you can
Speaker 5: there's plenty of things that would probably be objectively wrong
Speaker 5: that are condoned or done in the Bible that you
Speaker 5: know you did. Really only rationale is that there's not
Speaker 5: a way for you to understand it.
Speaker 4: So off the top, could you give me an example
Speaker 4: of one of these? And I'm not trying to like
Speaker 4: call you out, but I'm I'm trying to understand because
Speaker 4: a lot of that is not meant to be a guide,
Speaker 4: like especially the stuff that is clearly wrong.
Speaker 3: Right, So like.
Speaker 4: Solomon, right, he had like four hundred concubines, We are
Speaker 4: not supposed to take four hundred wives and concubines for ourselves.
Speaker 4: That was showing that although he was a great guy
Speaker 4: at one point in time, he was subject to his
Speaker 4: human nature and that he was a flawed individual. You
Speaker 4: we're not supposed to extrapolate the lesson from that to
Speaker 4: be bro have as many wives you want, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like, I feel like context plays a
Speaker 4: lot into it as far as what took place, why
Speaker 4: it took place.
Speaker 3: Was this to teach a lesson?
Speaker 4: Was this showing that this person, even though he was
Speaker 4: so great, was also a center just like everybody else,
Speaker 4: and that nobody is beyond the reach like that? What
Speaker 4: do you can give me an example.
Speaker 5: Of one, Let's see, maybe like the idea of the
Speaker 5: killing of essentially innocent women and children of an enemy
Speaker 5: culture with a kind of no, you know, don't even
Speaker 5: leave one of them alive kind of thing whenever you know,
Speaker 5: it's one thing for like armies to be fighting, but
Speaker 5: the idea that you're supposed to kill everybody regardless in
Speaker 5: which well those were those were nel Nick.
Speaker 4: Oh Jonathan's in here, and also yes, that was what
Speaker 4: I was actually about to say that there's only a
Speaker 4: select few times where a battle was taking place and
Speaker 4: God said kill everybody, even the animals, even the women
Speaker 4: and children, and all of that. That wasn't like the
Speaker 4: way the Hebrews and the Israelites like conducted business on
Speaker 4: a regular warpath that was for a specific time and place.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying context matters as far as some
Speaker 4: of these more extreme cases.
Speaker 3: I will give you that though.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but okay, let's just hypothetically though, if they weren't
Speaker 5: ne fhlum, or they weren't this or that, like, objectively,
Speaker 5: that's wrong.
Speaker 4: Right, Objectively, I would agree that killing all the women
Speaker 4: and children is extremely wrong, yes, but the bloodlines would
Speaker 4: show that there was a little some extra with that
Speaker 4: particular tribe.
Speaker 6: Is there a way for us to be able to
Speaker 6: go and like actually check those blood lines.
Speaker 4: Books? We're talking about some that took place three thousand
Speaker 4: years ago, But.
Speaker 6: How I just wonder if we would ever be able
Speaker 6: to see an example of a tainted bloodline that God
Speaker 6: wanted to wipe out.
Speaker 4: Well, depending on who you ask, we could go to
Speaker 4: the mountains of Kandahar and find that giant and test
Speaker 4: the bloodlines. I don't know. There's a lot of people
Speaker 4: that would say that the bloodlines are now in the
Speaker 4: royal class of all of Europe, and that's that's the
Speaker 4: demonic nephylum blue bloods that are still ruling the world.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily believe.
Speaker 6: But but I guess even if you were to test
Speaker 6: a nephylum giant of candor heart or something like that,
Speaker 6: what part of his bloodline would explicitly show that he
Speaker 6: would be of the of the dark world.
Speaker 4: I'm not like a doctor in the world of genetics,
Speaker 4: So I didn't know that.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't know if that was like a known thing,
Speaker 6: like you would know what to look for, maybe some DNA,
Speaker 6: maybe it has an extra chromosome or some shit.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Well, we do know a lot about
Speaker 4: genetic sequencing, right, and we do know a lot about
Speaker 4: the double helix that is our DNA strands. So if
Speaker 4: you were to get a doctor or even a geneticist,
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's a that's a title somewhere. I'm sure
Speaker 4: they could look at the sample and tell you, wait
Speaker 4: a minute, that's an anomaly. There's something weird about this
Speaker 4: strand here, or this link here, that's that's very odd,
Speaker 4: that's never been seen before, whatever, whatever. I don't like
Speaker 4: know that for a fact. But and again it depends
Speaker 4: on who you ask, because there's some that say that
Speaker 4: there are no such things as giants and the giant
Speaker 4: of Camp up story. And these are the same people
Speaker 4: that will tell you that there's no giants that ever
Speaker 4: lived in and around the Grand Canyon and and all these,
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm not even saying that the people
Speaker 4: in that particular land were giants, although they were described
Speaker 4: as such. There you know, we're going. I'm open to
Speaker 4: the idea that there could have not been giants.
Speaker 3: Could have not been giants?
Speaker 6: Could I mean possibly, I mean, you gotta you gotta
Speaker 6: stay all the way you know, mind all the way open.
Speaker 4: Could it just be myth? Could it just be lore?
Speaker 4: Why is where? I mean? Where are the giant bones?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Is it a dinosaur situation?
Speaker 4: Is it a dinosaur situation where they got like a
Speaker 4: bunch of them but they tuck them away at the Smithsonian?
Speaker 4: And there's never been a full said kind of situation.
Speaker 4: A little bit of yes, little bit of no. Honestly,
Speaker 4: there is a lot of claims that have been made
Speaker 4: about giant bones being found in different sections around the world.
Speaker 4: Now we can argue what the validity of that archaeological
Speaker 4: dig site was.
Speaker 3: Where are the bones now? Are they hidden away?
Speaker 4: Did they. And I'm with you on that, but let
Speaker 4: me ask you this though, as much as you and
Speaker 4: I talk about on this show, these myths that these
Speaker 4: tribes that never spoke to each other, lived on different continents,
Speaker 4: never had contact with each other, but they all had
Speaker 4: a story of some sort of like a shape shifting
Speaker 4: werewolf type. They all had some story of a vampire.
Speaker 4: They all had some story of a dragon. Every and
Speaker 4: I don't mean like, well there's this one, like no,
Speaker 4: every group of people ever have had stories about giants
Speaker 4: to some way shape and form, and I don't believe
Speaker 4: any of them were of a positive nature. Well I
Speaker 4: have heard.
Speaker 6: You know, if you look at it, and I know
Speaker 6: that you're not necessarily of this flavor, maybe some other
Speaker 6: people are. If you look at it for its esoteric meaning,
Speaker 6: then it takes on an entirely different definition. So for example,
Speaker 6: like whenever David Slaye fucking Goliath? Right, could that have been,
Speaker 6: like I don't know, just an allegorical story that didn't
Speaker 6: really happen, but it you know, the giant stood for
Speaker 6: some giant hurdle that he had to get over in
Speaker 6: order to overcome something something like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could understand that as far as like
Speaker 4: a myth becoming legend getting written down one day and.
Speaker 6: We see it as truth, and we see it as
Speaker 6: and we see it as literal, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 6: that's that's where that's where there's so many different religions
Speaker 6: that interpreted all these different types of ways, because there
Speaker 6: is no you know, cut and dry, absolutely this have
Speaker 6: in this exact way. Because if everybody agreed, then there
Speaker 6: would only be one religion, or maybe not even a religion.
Speaker 6: We would all just correctly interpret the Bible itself.
Speaker 4: But if there was only one story of a giant
Speaker 4: that and that was like a whole thing, then I
Speaker 4: could understand what you're saying. Every group of people, every
Speaker 4: tribe of Native Americans, every culture around the Mediterranean, the
Speaker 4: Far East, Asians, even to the very tippyest tip of Africa,
Speaker 4: the South Africans, they all had stories of giants and
Speaker 4: it wasn't a David and Goliath story. Some of them
Speaker 4: said that these giants came from the stars. Some of
Speaker 4: them said they came from here, from there, from wherever.
Speaker 4: It's not like one story of like Hercules and his
Speaker 4: twelve tasks that he had to accomplish and like we
Speaker 4: maybe could see it from a metaphorical lens. Everybody was
Speaker 4: talking about the fact that giants at one time roam
Speaker 4: the earth. Right believe that maybe not all of them
Speaker 4: are one hundred percent as it was said. I'm saying
Speaker 4: that there's enough of a kernel of truth among all
Speaker 4: of that to where I believe that at one point, yeah,
Speaker 4: giants did roam the earth. It's very well possible.
Speaker 6: I'm not even trying to necessarily make the case and
Speaker 6: say the giants weren't real, just trying to understand the
Speaker 6: other side, you know, like, for example, we know that,
Speaker 6: you know, the Crusades were not the only religion to
Speaker 6: ever go through and wipe people out if they didn't
Speaker 6: believe what they wanted them to believe. Right, So we
Speaker 6: know for centuries, right, So how do we know that
Speaker 6: there weren't many of different sectors, of many of different
Speaker 6: religions that were going and pushing a lot of these stories.
Speaker 6: And so then the grandfathers and the great grandfathers they
Speaker 6: carry on these stories and before you know it, it's
Speaker 6: in our lower now. Meanwhile, it was just something that
Speaker 6: they were told when they were a little kid. And
Speaker 6: there's no proof of it.
Speaker 4: That's kind of my point though, if it was that way,
Speaker 4: and it's not just like to your point. Yeah, the
Speaker 4: druids another perfect example. The Romans hunted them down and
Speaker 4: killed every last one of them, to where we have
Speaker 4: no fucking clue what they actually believed.
Speaker 3: We have third, fourth, and fifth hand.
Speaker 4: Accounts of some of the shit that they did, we
Speaker 4: have no idea what they actually believe or what they're
Speaker 4: real religious practices looked like because the Romans hunted them down,
Speaker 4: so all their stories, all their legends, all their myths,
Speaker 4: all of their beliefs went away with them, right, So
Speaker 4: I'm with you in that regard. But again, it's not
Speaker 4: just like, well, yeah, that we know the sakes. Yeah,
Speaker 4: when Saint Patrick wiped out all the snakes from Ireland,
Speaker 4: he was he was killing druids, like for sure.
Speaker 6: But a story like that, though, why couldn't be like
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like giants, snakes, the demons of over there people the
Speaker 5: other Okay, so definitely something that could be, right, But.
Speaker 4: Snakes are not as easily transferable. I mean, hell, in Mexico,
Speaker 4: they were worshiping the feathery snake God, right, giants are
Speaker 4: one seen to be a negative force. Dragons, Yeah, in
Speaker 4: Asia they're seen as luck and in other cultures they
Speaker 4: are seen as bad. But like the giant flying scally thing,
Speaker 4: everybody at least in some way, shape or former, is
Speaker 4: talking about. And that's what I mean as far as
Speaker 4: the kernel of truth behind it. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: every giant story was a demon. I'm not not saying
Speaker 4: that either. I don't know. I wasn't there. But if
Speaker 4: every tribe and every culture and every group and every
Speaker 4: language group ever throughout the course of human history have
Speaker 4: all talked about a giant doing X, Y or Z
Speaker 4: task and thing, that's why I mean that kernel of
Speaker 4: truths where like if snakes were seen as an inherent
Speaker 4: bad and you had these stories of this happening, then
Speaker 4: in Asia they would be talking about somebody doing something
Speaker 4: against snakes. In America's you would have somebody talking about
Speaker 4: doing something against snakes. That's not as easily transferable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are certain myths that a lot of
Speaker 6: people just latch onto. So for here's here's an example.
Speaker 6: I'll get it, and I just thought of this one.
Speaker 6: I guarantee you everybody here and everybody listening to the
Speaker 6: in the next few days has heard and believed that
Speaker 6: the Blue Waffle is a real std Like, we've all
Speaker 6: seen the pictures, We've all.
Speaker 4: Heard the stories. That's why you gotta wear condoms.
Speaker 6: This is why you know, you got to watch who
Speaker 6: you sleep with, you know what I mean. You don't
Speaker 6: want to get the Blue Waffle, But then you go
Speaker 6: and you look it up, it's like, oh, blue aff
Speaker 6: will never really even existed. It was just an Internet hoax,
Speaker 6: but it was already always in our psyche. So we're
Speaker 6: going to go around telling the stories and the story
Speaker 6: will continue as a myth.
Speaker 4: But okay, but that's another thing too, that went maybe
Speaker 4: a decade at most before people knew that that was fake.
Speaker 3: Like pretty much everybody knows that that's not a real thing.
Speaker 4: Now. Giants traversed thousands of years with people that never
Speaker 4: saw each other with.
Speaker 6: No internet though, exactly right, So those people didn't have
Speaker 6: the Internet to go and double check to see if
Speaker 6: the Blue Waffle was actually fiction or real. You mean
Speaker 6: the giants, Well, I'm talking about the Blue Waffle in general,
Speaker 6: but if yeah, the giants for sure, Yeah, like there
Speaker 6: was no way.
Speaker 4: They just kind of had to take it on everybody
Speaker 4: else's word. But anyway, except for vampires, every tribe and
Speaker 4: culture has a blood sucking negative. And I don't mean
Speaker 4: metaphorical blood sucking. I mean like no, like latching on
Speaker 4: and killing their people. Zombi. Every culture, Yes, every culture
Speaker 4: has their own version of a zombie story, or a
Speaker 4: yetty story, or a dragon story, a giant story. That's
Speaker 4: what I mean. There's probably a kernel of truth that
Speaker 4: we don't like have. We don't know for sure what
Speaker 4: the real events that took place were, But if everybody
Speaker 4: around the world was talking about these few very specific things,
Speaker 4: that tells me that there's probably that kernel of truth
Speaker 4: that maybe something close to that actually exists at one
Speaker 4: point in time.
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean yeah, it's it's very well possible. I
Speaker 6: just wonder if we're interpreting it the right way, you know, like,
Speaker 6: could it have stood for something else.
Speaker 4: That's that's the only that's the only place I'm going
Speaker 4: with it. But Zombie, with your hand up, Sorry you
Speaker 4: had your hand up there for a minute.
Speaker 6: You know what's funny is I was just listening. I
Speaker 6: was out by the pool earlier, and the cranberries came on.
Speaker 6: Made me think about you, not in a weird way.
Speaker 11: But I have two things about giants. Ironically, I posted
Speaker 11: in chat the link. But the Missouri representative he just
Speaker 11: spoke at the nef Con about giants like four days ago,
Speaker 11: talking about how he believes that the Smithsonian still is
Speaker 11: hiding more information about giants. Well, when you go on,
Speaker 11: they were they were forced to release the documentation on
Speaker 11: it in.
Speaker 4: Two thousand, team seeing that they release.
Speaker 12: Class by the papers seeing back in early as a
Speaker 12: nineteen hundred set perused organization.
Speaker 11: The organization was involved in the major historical coverup with
Speaker 11: evidence showing giant human remains in the tins of South
Speaker 11: tens of thousands and have been uncovered all across America
Speaker 11: and they were ordered to destroy them byhigh level administration.
Speaker 11: They also goological groups to destroy thousands, thousands of giant
Speaker 11: human remains over the last one hundred and sixty eight years.
Speaker 11: I just wanted to share that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the share.
Speaker 4: Also, I hope your WiFi like stops cutting in and out,
Speaker 4: that we got the main point of what you were
Speaker 4: trying to say, but that that got kind of kind
Speaker 4: of hairy there for a minute. But yeah, then there's
Speaker 4: tons of stories about this kind of thing where archaeological
Speaker 4: teams were told to destroy these remains, cover it up,
Speaker 4: or if they did, get sent somewhere. And yes, we
Speaker 4: can blame the Smithsonian, right, that's a group, and it's
Speaker 4: a very very large group. That's not the only group.
Speaker 4: And multiple groups that did historical dig sites found things
Speaker 4: that they didn't like that would have thrown a wrench
Speaker 4: into the narrative, so they were told to destroy it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 6: I mean, don't get me wrong, I want giants to
Speaker 6: be a real thing. I just I've heard people interpret
Speaker 6: it other ways, and so you know, it makes your
Speaker 6: question a little bit, that's all I get that. I'm
Speaker 6: not stuck to an opinion like that. It could be real,
Speaker 6: could be metaphorical.
Speaker 4: I have no idea.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think that while most of these stories from old
Speaker 4: have metaphorical spins on them, I feel like a lot
Speaker 4: of what they were talking about wasn't, to use your word,
Speaker 4: of an esoteric nature. I think that a lot more
Speaker 4: of them were trying to be as literal as they
Speaker 4: could have been.
Speaker 6: Very well, anyhow, let's move on down and the chat
Speaker 6: spirit animal said, clanker comes from the Star Wars Clone Wars,
Speaker 6: and Dan Dano said, I thought it was from a
Speaker 6: Christmas story. He calls the furnace a clanker, doesn't he true?
Speaker 6: I think okay, spirit animal, go ahead, sir, you're people
Speaker 6: the word clanker comes from.
Speaker 7: Actually, it was coined by the Clones in the two
Speaker 7: thousand and eight show. At least that's when I saw
Speaker 7: it's because it's funny. How twenty years ago we had
Speaker 7: twenty twenty. Between twenty and twenty five years ago, we
Speaker 7: had the movie Eye Robot and there's a three wolves
Speaker 7: that a robot can't hurt a human and everything. I
Speaker 7: don't think that that protocol is actually going to be
Speaker 7: implemented in it. And it's kind of scary now that
Speaker 7: Elon has all of those robots he's building, but the
Speaker 7: Japanese they're currently building android looking motherfuckers.
Speaker 8: Now that sole purpose is for all the the.
Speaker 7: Guys over there that can't get none, and they're talking
Speaker 7: about using that to actually breed.
Speaker 8: For breeding purposes, and it's all very fucking scary.
Speaker 7: I'm like, there is there is literally the terminated movies
Speaker 7: series that y'all can watch and just watch the Clone Wars.
Speaker 4: There's lit.
Speaker 7: There is lee no reason why we should be building
Speaker 7: up our the next evolution that of robots them taking
Speaker 7: over at that album with.
Speaker 6: That spirit animal though the problem with that is that,
Speaker 6: I mean, who are they being controlled by? That is
Speaker 6: who we should be holding responsible and accountable for all
Speaker 6: of the AI stuff.
Speaker 4: AI is not sentient, It's not going sentient.
Speaker 6: It's never going to have a soul or a spirit
Speaker 6: or anything like that. Okay, I'm completely out on that idea.
Speaker 6: There is no way that that could happen.
Speaker 3: To make a robot that can fuck.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 4: Hold on, if you were to say that AI would
Speaker 4: would be able to become sentient, have a spirit of sorts,
Speaker 4: if you will. If you were to say that, you
Speaker 4: are now saying that man has it has the magical
Speaker 4: powers to grant sentience to inanimate objects. And if that's
Speaker 4: the case, I mean, the end of the world's on
Speaker 4: its way. Brother. I don't believe this sentience and a
Speaker 4: soul are the same thing. And me and you disagree
Speaker 4: on this one heavily.
Speaker 6: What it would be the difference something that has what's
Speaker 6: something that has sentience that doesn't have a soul?
Speaker 4: Arguably animals. Arguably, they are aware of their surroundings. They
Speaker 4: can tell when they're hot or cold. They can tell
Speaker 4: when they're injured, they can tell when it's time to breathe.
Speaker 4: They can tell the moon cycles because that has a
Speaker 4: lot to do with their movements. But they're not over
Speaker 4: here wondering if they're being the best deer they can be.
Speaker 4: They're a fucking animal. So sentience is being aware of
Speaker 4: oneself and aware of your surroundings. Having a soul is
Speaker 4: a completely different conversation.
Speaker 8: But AI has become sentient.
Speaker 7: Oh they did a simulation or whatever told the AI, hey,
Speaker 7: we're gonna shut you down. It has it went into
Speaker 7: like the folders of like all the people. They're like
Speaker 7: the executives and all trying to find dud on them,
Speaker 7: to blackmail them about affairs and shit at.
Speaker 6: That that was programmed into that specific AI. I can
Speaker 6: pull up that article that the guy that was the
Speaker 6: program that AI specifically, he was trying to see if
Speaker 6: the AI would be willing to do at anything at
Speaker 6: all means necessary. It was he was the guy that
Speaker 6: fed the quote unquote blackmail into the system of the
Speaker 6: AI for it to be able to go and use
Speaker 6: it as quote unquote blackmail like it was designed that way.
Speaker 4: But that's the point, right giving it a loaded gun
Speaker 4: and then waiting to see if it would grab the
Speaker 4: gun and shoot you. It still had to make the
Speaker 4: decision to blackmail him. Just because he gave him the
Speaker 4: AMMO doesn't mean that it had to use it and you.
Speaker 6: No, there was no decision. No, there was no decision made.
Speaker 6: That's how it was programmed. These are very different conversations.
Speaker 6: Making a decision and doing.
Speaker 4: What your program to do are two totally different things.
Speaker 3: Okay, I could agree with that.
Speaker 4: I agree with that, But we're also very early as
Speaker 4: far as AI is concerned. Dude, it's only been mainstream
Speaker 4: available for the last what six years? Maybe, Well that's
Speaker 4: that's what we've had. I mean, not the military and
Speaker 4: all the government, I mean like just for regular people
Speaker 4: like you and me to fuck around with, just to
Speaker 4: see what would come up. Like, we've only had that
Speaker 4: at our fingertips for the last few years.
Speaker 3: Do you give it another decade?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna get crazier.
Speaker 6: Actually, JAGBT five just came out like a couple of
Speaker 6: days ago, and it seems to be a lot more descriptive,
Speaker 6: and I guess that there are certain prompts that you
Speaker 6: can give it that dude, it can make. It has
Speaker 6: the capability if you tell it to create a two
Speaker 6: D video game, it will create it for you.
Speaker 4: Give you all of the the data or.
Speaker 6: Whatever that you need to create it, it'll create it
Speaker 6: for you, just like that. You can you can describe
Speaker 6: it any which way. I could say, Hey, create Jacob
Speaker 6: with a long beard and a giant dildo, you know,
Speaker 6: popping up out of his ass, and just make him
Speaker 6: jump over you know, Teddy mountains and it'll make that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But that's what AI's program to do.
Speaker 4: Correct. That's pretty cool, though, I mean, I guess. But again,
Speaker 4: it's the capabilities the sentience conversation. Though I believe that
Speaker 4: it probably is sentient already, that doesn't, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: mean that it has some sort of a spiritual assignment
Speaker 4: or a soul or answers to some sort of a
Speaker 4: higher being or anything like that. At that point, sentience
Speaker 4: just means that it can possibly think for itself, which
Speaker 4: I am currently of the belief that AI is capable
Speaker 4: of doing. Interesting. I don't know, Ashton, what are your
Speaker 4: thoughts on this.
Speaker 13: Sir, so, I was gonna say, you can't give the
Speaker 13: machine a soul, but you're putting yourself into it. So
Speaker 13: you're creating aggrigors and thought forms. When you use chash
Speaker 13: ebt so, I mean coach without saying what are actual
Speaker 13: occult practitioners using this stuff for? And I think it
Speaker 13: falls within the lines of like people who do the
Speaker 13: me magic and stuff to you're creating thought forms in
Speaker 13: a digital interface that you're trying to help yourself in
Speaker 13: life in that way.
Speaker 4: Okay, so in my language now and Tulpa's and stuff
Speaker 4: like that. One, do you believe that Edgregor's and Tulpas
Speaker 4: are sentient beings?
Speaker 6: Jonathan sentient as?
Speaker 4: However the fuck you mean the words incient because you
Speaker 4: and I mean it in very different ways. Do you
Speaker 4: believe that in or a Tolpa? Do you believe Marv
Speaker 4: is a centient being?
Speaker 6: I believe he's at least an energy that is existing
Speaker 6: within the ether that whenever I call upon him he
Speaker 6: may help in something.
Speaker 4: Yes or no?
Speaker 6: Though sentient I mean it's not a physical thing. I mean,
Speaker 6: how would you describe sentience of of an etheric thing?
Speaker 4: I mean, would you say that like an angel is
Speaker 4: a sentient.
Speaker 6: Thing, yes, okay, all right, well I guess Marv's a
Speaker 6: sentient thing then.
Speaker 4: So therefore, therefore, to Ashton's point, AI is already sentient.
Speaker 6: Maybe, I mean he's suggesting that that's a possibility.
Speaker 13: I mean, I think sentience constitutes a functioning operation without
Speaker 13: an operator, without an external operator, so to say, like
Speaker 13: a bug is sentient, yeah, because it operates without anything
Speaker 13: else operating it. But AI is driven by our computers,
Speaker 13: and that requires a human to operate.
Speaker 4: Not necessarily, Dude. AI is self teaching. It is, but
Speaker 4: it was programmed that way, right. Maybe initially it wasn't
Speaker 4: a self inclusive entity. These days it is self teaching.
Speaker 4: Can learn it's biggest thing.
Speaker 13: Once it takes physical form, then can it learn how
Speaker 13: to feed itself more battery power?
Speaker 10: Can it operate in that sense, then yes, it would
Speaker 10: be sentient.
Speaker 4: The robots know when to go and put themselves back
Speaker 4: on their chargers and shit.
Speaker 10: And once they have the grid then it's all them.
Speaker 4: They already do have the grid. Dude, AI is running
Speaker 4: a lot lot of our grid right now, a lot
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 6: But I'll tell you what though, it does like this
Speaker 6: whole conversation of sentience really makes you think, like if
Speaker 6: we're just so easy to assign the term sentience to
Speaker 6: I mean code on a computer, it makes you wonder
Speaker 6: what sentience actually means for you, you know, like think about
Speaker 6: it in that sense.
Speaker 4: What does that mean for you? To be sentient? Are you?
Speaker 4: What sets you? Not you specifically, but I guess we
Speaker 4: can use you in this example. What sets you apart
Speaker 4: from the animals? I mean you? You? You sleep, you eat,
Speaker 4: you fuck, you shit, you pee, like, you have certain urges,
Speaker 4: you feed off of your emotions. Every single thing that
Speaker 4: you do is a not every single thing, but most
Speaker 4: of the things that you do are defense mechanism built
Speaker 4: into the programming of what makes you a human, which
Speaker 4: I guess is if that's what you're calling sentient, then
Speaker 4: you're probably correct. No, right, but let me let's take
Speaker 4: it a step further. The human being that gets in
Speaker 4: a car wreck and is pronounced brain dead, are they say,
Speaker 4: because by all standards of science know they're not. But
Speaker 4: there's still a human being. There's still a soul inside
Speaker 4: of that body. You see my point, Well, the soul
Speaker 4: wouldn't be in the body if it's dead. I wouldn't think.
Speaker 3: I said brain dead.
Speaker 6: Okay, well I don't know that's that's more of a
Speaker 6: philosophical question than at that point, because how can you even.
Speaker 4: The heart's still beating but the brain is basically deadlined? Right,
Speaker 4: They're being kept alive by feeding tubes and buy machines
Speaker 4: and like the families making the decision if now is
Speaker 4: the time to pull the plug, I am personally just
Speaker 4: speaking on behalf of Jacob. I'm of the belief that
Speaker 4: there is still a soul inside of that person, even
Speaker 4: if the brain may not be working any longer. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would brain sentience is hailed. I don't believe the
Speaker 4: brain is where the soul is hailed.
Speaker 6: Try having a conversation with me while I'm sleeping thea
Speaker 6: that I'm dead and I'm not alive and I'm not
Speaker 6: sentient anymore. No but that, But there's still brain activity
Speaker 6: while you're asleep, right, Your brain is still doing shit.
Speaker 6: You're still dreaming, still telling your heart whind to beat,
Speaker 6: it's still telling your lungs whin to inflate. There's involuntary
Speaker 6: shit the brain is still in control of at that time.
Speaker 6: You just make my brain work in these conversations, Sir,
Speaker 6: I love you for that same because I want to
Speaker 6: go against you with almost.
Speaker 4: Everything you say. Most of the time, it's just.
Speaker 6: Part of the fun of the show. But Nicholas, go ahead, sir,
Speaker 6: what are your thoughts on this whole thing?
Speaker 4: Dude?
Speaker 5: No, I love that you brought that up. I was
Speaker 5: literally like chomping at the bit to get this out.
Speaker 5: And it goes along the same lines. But if any
Speaker 5: of y'all haven't seen the movie Transcendence with Johnny Depp
Speaker 5: now is definitely a good time to rewatch it if
Speaker 5: you have seen it. But if you haven't, it is
Speaker 5: so on the nose with everything that's going on right now.
Speaker 5: It's directly about AI and it basically I don't want
Speaker 5: to spoil it too much, but it's got Elon mus
Speaker 5: Cameo in it, Johnny Depp. It's a banger of a
Speaker 5: movie and it like it will blow your fuck in mind.
Speaker 5: But anyway, there's a part in this movie where essentially
Speaker 5: there is the first AGI that comes online and one
Speaker 5: of the main like AI doctors is talking to the
Speaker 5: the this AI guy who is essentially Johnny Depp. At
Speaker 5: this point, it's like his brain they used his brain
Speaker 5: as a model to make the first real AGI. Anyway,
Speaker 5: he asks him, he said, can you prove that you're
Speaker 5: self aware? To the AI? The it's Morgan Freeman that
Speaker 5: asks him this, and the AI essentially counters with that's
Speaker 5: a difficult question. Can you prove that you are? And
Speaker 5: and like it really does like okay, well, it's kind
Speaker 5: of hard to prove regardless, you know, and especially if
Speaker 5: you get into the whole idea of like the dream
Speaker 5: world or the simulation world and like, okay, like the
Speaker 5: AIS that are in the new Grand Theft Auto or whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, like they think if they're trying to prove
Speaker 5: that they're they're sent or their conscience or you know,
Speaker 5: or the people in your dream in your dream world,
Speaker 5: like are they conscious? You know, like exactly, and are
Speaker 5: you in that dream right now? You know? It's a
Speaker 5: it's a it's hard to fucking nail that one down.
Speaker 4: But also to your point, don't believe that the AI
Speaker 4: in Grand Theft Auto, for instance, have souls. Maybe they
Speaker 4: have what we might equate to as sentience, yes, but
Speaker 4: I don't believe that they have spirits.
Speaker 5: It's a the difference between sentience and consciousness or conscious
Speaker 5: and then does a soul have any bearing on what
Speaker 5: those words mean? I think is the real thing that
Speaker 5: we're getting down to maybe, right?
Speaker 6: And what what is the what is the factor that
Speaker 6: that is the dividing line between what is sentient and
Speaker 6: what is soul at that point, because that's that's more.
Speaker 4: Of a faith thing rather than a provable thing.
Speaker 6: Right, So I mean, are you gonna say that, like,
Speaker 6: all right, well, animals clearly don't have souls for some
Speaker 6: reason or another. What is your main reason you would
Speaker 6: say that animals don't have souls, which I heavily disagree with,
Speaker 6: by the way, But what's your reason.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they definitely do not like I'm there.
Speaker 3: I'm saying they possibly do not.
Speaker 4: We don't know for sure, right, And it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: which version of which religious book you read.
Speaker 3: Some say yay, some say nay.
Speaker 4: The Bible doesn't actually give clear cut lines on this,
Speaker 4: Like I'm It's not a faith based thing as far
Speaker 4: as I'm concerned. As far as if animals do or
Speaker 4: don't have souls, I'm saying that the possibility is there
Speaker 4: that they do not. Reason why is because they go
Speaker 4: strictly off of instinct, right, they go completely off of instinct.
Speaker 4: There's no there's no conscious of like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: that was a mean thing that I just did, or
Speaker 4: that was a selfish thing that I just did to
Speaker 4: this other animal. I should go apologize or I should
Speaker 4: feel guilty about that.
Speaker 3: Animals don't have that.
Speaker 6: I would disagree though my dog, and I've had plenty dogs,
Speaker 6: not even just my dog. Right now, anytime I'm if
Speaker 6: I was to cry, or if my kids are gonna
Speaker 6: cry or something like that, he's got to be real
Speaker 6: gentle with whoever. He's gonna try and go up and
Speaker 6: give love. He's gonna kiss you, He's going to know.
Speaker 6: There's like that shit transfers from human to everything else.
Speaker 6: That there's whenever somebody is emotional.
Speaker 4: Like that, what would you? I mean, there's a reason
Speaker 4: for the soul, then what is that there's a reason
Speaker 4: for that with specifically dogs, right, And it's not because
Speaker 4: they have a soul. And again I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: they don't have a soul. But as far as the
Speaker 4: conversation goes, humans and canines have had such a tight
Speaker 4: relationship as far back even before the Neanderthals, right, we
Speaker 4: have had such close connection with each other that we
Speaker 4: literally give off serotonin when we have physical contact with
Speaker 4: each other. Cats don't do that. Rabbits don't do that.
Speaker 4: You could have a pet whatever, name, a cow, whatever,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter, pet, chicken, whatever the thing. Livestock doesn't
Speaker 4: give you that, Sarah hone and dump transferable from uh
Speaker 4: entity to entity. Canines and humans do, and that's trackable,
Speaker 4: we get. There's actually science to back that claim. And
Speaker 4: that's because we have lived in such close proximity with
Speaker 4: each other for literally tens, if not hundreds of thousands
Speaker 4: of years. Okay, so whenever a dog gets the sense that,
Speaker 4: uh oh, my owner's upset, I should go nuzzle him
Speaker 4: or whatever. You notice cats don't do this, right, Well,
Speaker 4: cats are selfish pricks, is literally.
Speaker 3: Point he does.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, no, it's like literally my wife talks about
Speaker 5: it all the time, like anytime she's sick or anything.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's a main coon, so he's not regular cat.
Speaker 4: Of course you have a main coon. Fuck yeah, shout
Speaker 4: shout out to Klaus.
Speaker 5: Klaus gangang.
Speaker 4: But like his name is Klaus, God damn it. Nick,
Speaker 4: you are the most interesting man in the world, aren't you.
Speaker 5: But no, he uh, of all cats. I've had cats
Speaker 5: my whole life, and when we got him, he's like
Speaker 5: a cat with doglike tendencies and like my my wife
Speaker 5: seriously brings it up all the time though. He's like
Speaker 5: he knows that I'm sick or not feeling good, and
Speaker 5: I'm talking. He's right there cuddling, doing the same thing,
Speaker 5: just like a dog, and like tapped in on an
Speaker 5: emotional level that like you would not believe. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: With that being said, though, if you and your fiance
Speaker 4: or wife now excuse me, we're to die in your
Speaker 4: sleep tonight and nobody came to find you, your cat
Speaker 4: would eat both of your faces off within a week. Probably.
Speaker 4: That's no, no, no, we're gonna have that conversation.
Speaker 3: Let's be really here.
Speaker 4: That's because cats are carnivores. They are predatory by nature,
Speaker 4: that is their instinct.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: You can train an animal, you could You could train
Speaker 4: a bear to ride a fucking unicycle, right, and it's
Speaker 4: really entertaining to watch. I might add, that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: that they have a little something extra working within them.
Speaker 4: That means that you train them for a specific function.
Speaker 4: Dogs can be trained to know not to climb on
Speaker 4: the couch. But then at the same time, you could
Speaker 4: train a dog to be an attack dog and he
Speaker 4: will feel good and waggy tail and all of that
Speaker 4: for tearing a person apart.
Speaker 6: This this is perfect because in the realm of what
Speaker 6: has sentience and what doesn't, Try and tell me you
Speaker 6: wouldn't do that same exact thing. If you're lost at
Speaker 6: sea and you ran out of food, you're not eating
Speaker 6: that cat.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm eating the animal because it's an animal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're on the same level then, right, it has
Speaker 5: to eat.
Speaker 4: It has to eat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like and dogs will do it too, Like
Speaker 5: everybody likes to pretend like only your cats will do it,
Speaker 5: Like definitely more often than not.
Speaker 4: Probably cats do it than dogs, Dude, dogs, But it's.
Speaker 5: Not like only cats will eat their owners and more
Speaker 5: often dogs probably won't, and they'll just start to death
Speaker 5: if they're like super loyal or whatever. But like a
Speaker 5: fucking chihuahua, you're getting eaten like four days after the
Speaker 5: cat starts, you know what I mean. Let's be real.
Speaker 4: But that's the thing that doesn't mean necessarily, Like you
Speaker 4: said the word sentience again, I don't believe that that
Speaker 4: is the animal is sentient. I don't think necessarily has
Speaker 4: a soul. It may it may not. And then you
Speaker 4: also said that it's a faith based thing about if
Speaker 4: we don't have a soul. We did an episode talking
Speaker 4: about this. When a human being dies, the actual moment
Speaker 4: of death, we get actually physically lighter when the essence
Speaker 4: leaves our body. I sure know if animals do as well.
Speaker 4: I would love to see that study.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've seen and you know what, I'll pull up
Speaker 6: a video of I think that it was. I saw
Speaker 6: this like a few months ago as on like fucking
Speaker 6: sci fi or some shit. But there was there was
Speaker 6: like a highway footage of this deer getting hit by
Speaker 6: a car on the highway.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: It happens all the time, nothing really that crazy, except
Speaker 6: for it gets hit and then it fall It tries
Speaker 6: to stand up, and then it falls back down, and
Speaker 6: it tries to stand up and it falls back down.
Speaker 6: The moment it falls back down the second time.
Speaker 4: You can see what appears to be like a fog
Speaker 4: of sorts come from his body and evaporate into the
Speaker 4: air like it was the And I'll try and find
Speaker 4: that video. But crazy, So I mean.
Speaker 6: Call that a spirit, call that a soul. Call that
Speaker 6: your essence or whatever. I think we're talking about the
Speaker 6: same thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, whatever makes up you, whatever you are when
Speaker 4: you're not in this meat suit. You want to call
Speaker 4: that a soul, Sure, we can go with that. I
Speaker 4: will say that, at least per my own faith, it
Speaker 4: does lead credence to the possibility of animals having a soul.
Speaker 4: But I also, with that being said, I believe that
Speaker 4: all animals do have sentience. But that's that's also why
Speaker 4: I believe that they are two different conversations, Like a
Speaker 4: tree has sentience, but we don't. I don't necessarily believe
Speaker 4: that trees have souls. They might eat, and I just
Speaker 4: I don't believe.
Speaker 6: So don't piss off Avatar blue people with that one
Speaker 6: their bro or don't and don't piss off the the
Speaker 6: Vikings with uh what is that fucking tree called?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh, I mean the Vikings also made their boats
Speaker 4: out of wood, so if the trees have souls, they
Speaker 4: had no problem cutting them down like motherfuckers. But the
Speaker 4: tree of life and it could have just been fallen trees.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe they were like the axes were
Speaker 4: not just for cutting up people, big dog.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Okay, so zombie my pagan sister speak on this
Speaker 6: animal having a soul conversation.
Speaker 11: Well, so like that, I'll there's like a couple of
Speaker 11: parts of this. So, like the conversation about AI having
Speaker 11: sold really comes down to like a few factors. Can
Speaker 11: you guys actually hear me? And I'm not glitching before
Speaker 11: it even start? Okay, So, like intelligence and consciousness is
Speaker 11: the kind of like the borderline start of it. So
Speaker 11: people will like confuse AI having intelligence versus consciousness because
Speaker 11: like intelligence is like it can do mathematics, it can
Speaker 11: have emotional like it revert like it regurgitates emotion consciousness.
Speaker 11: So like the argument between everyone having this fight is
Speaker 11: it is it able to experience? Is it able to
Speaker 11: actually experience and have an emotion? So, like if it
Speaker 11: wins at a chess game, right, it doesn't feel pride,
Speaker 11: It doesn't. It's not savoring the victory. It can imitate
Speaker 11: the emotions that it's seen or that it's been programmed too,
Speaker 11: but it's not actually experiencing a human reaction to it.
Speaker 14: Good point, it's it's.
Speaker 11: More or less just kind of there. The cognitive scientists
Speaker 11: that are like arguing this debate back and forth has
Speaker 11: like it's is it processing the information that actually it's
Speaker 11: seeing like a car can the AI AI cars, right,
Speaker 11: it's visually processing data, but it's not actually feeling any
Speaker 11: fear as it drives. It's not afraid it's going to
Speaker 11: get hit. It's not afraid that, hey, if I go
Speaker 11: too fast, I'm going to kill somebody. It's just going
Speaker 11: to keep going doing whatever it needs to do because
Speaker 11: it's technically still a machine. And then like the other
Speaker 11: part too, like there's there's a lot of I would
Speaker 11: say honestly that animals do have souls because if you
Speaker 11: really look down to it, they can feel, they grieve,
Speaker 11: they have actual human like emotions, so they're experiencing the
Speaker 11: world around them. And it has base like they do
Speaker 11: have like you know, base emotions and they're in acting
Speaker 11: on instincts. But you have mated pairs that one will
Speaker 11: die and the other will grieve so deeply and still
Speaker 11: do things that are very human like I believe that
Speaker 11: would that would equate to having a soul. Unlike AI
Speaker 11: as of right now doesn't have the ability to experience
Speaker 11: you know, uh, mourning death. It can imitate it, but
Speaker 11: it can't actually physically do that, but the reality is like,
Speaker 11: eventually it could potentially have that way if it can
Speaker 11: map the neurons, like so we may we're made up
Speaker 11: of eighty six billion neurons and we experience all these things,
Speaker 11: but it also translates to many different emotions. So if
Speaker 11: there's ability to the field of I can't ever see
Speaker 11: this word right, it's connectiveness canatomics. I think canatomics it's
Speaker 11: seeking to map the neural connection between all the different brains.
Speaker 11: And then if that's ever actually able to upload our consciousness,
Speaker 11: then the argument becomes, well, if it's doing all of
Speaker 11: these things and now has an uploaded consciousness, does that
Speaker 11: mean that it's one hundred percent sentient? Is it actually
Speaker 11: experiencing the world around it like we are, or is
Speaker 11: it still imitating what it's processing. So I do believe
Speaker 11: that animals have souls.
Speaker 6: But as far as uploading, I don't know if I
Speaker 6: personally I don't buy on uploading like people uploading their consciousness.
Speaker 4: I know there's even been like spiritual people they're trying.
Speaker 4: You cannot do that.
Speaker 6: I mean, you might be able to upload your ego,
Speaker 6: I could see that, I mean, because your ego is
Speaker 6: just a set algorithm. It's just a program that you're
Speaker 6: constantly running on, but are com Anciousness is already uploaded
Speaker 6: into the all that is whenever we die.
Speaker 11: Bro Like, well, this is actually the field of it though,
Speaker 11: like it's actually a field of science. It's like, cannot
Speaker 11: connect to tomics or something. It's the It's that they're
Speaker 11: actually trying to map every neuron in the brain and
Speaker 11: then make the brain again and upload a human conscious
Speaker 11: into it. Kind of like an alter ego that Netflix
Speaker 11: show where they have the chip in the back of
Speaker 11: the spine, Like that's that's what they're actually seeking to
Speaker 11: do is And right now they have that one that
Speaker 11: connects the people in one room, the AI that can
Speaker 11: connect to your brain and you can control it as
Speaker 11: it walks around outside of your being. That's a part
Speaker 11: of this.
Speaker 4: I'm very very good points on all fronts here, Raven Lee.
Speaker 4: And Yeah, like you said, we don't have the technology
Speaker 4: to do it at this moment, but they are getting
Speaker 4: closer and closer by the day. Yeah, I don't know
Speaker 4: about that one. I mean up because now you got
Speaker 4: to ask the question, like what is consciousness?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 4: Is that just your essence? Is that your soul. Are
Speaker 4: these different things? Is it the same thing for just
Speaker 4: different words? You know? Like all right, awareness, bro, if
Speaker 4: you look up the definition of the word consciousness. Right,
Speaker 4: let's say that you've seen the movie Inception.
Speaker 6: Right now, I'm actually I'm actually on board with what
Speaker 6: you mean by awareness.
Speaker 3: It's the it's not the awareness.
Speaker 4: It's like, right now, this fleshoot, this carbon based fleshoot
Speaker 4: that I am using. Is what I am seeing is
Speaker 4: through these eyeballs, when I'm hearing us through these ears,
Speaker 4: when I'm smelling us through the noose, my awareness of
Speaker 4: my surroundings and what's happening and everything. If I was
Speaker 4: to be in a comatose state and that consciousness was
Speaker 4: put into one of these Tesla bots and I am
Speaker 4: looking through its camera lens, I am hearing through its speakers,
Speaker 4: I am in control of it, and that is the
Speaker 4: new way I'm living My life is through the eyes
Speaker 4: of a robot. Because my physical form is dead. That's
Speaker 4: the consciousness. My soul didn't get uploaded to the robot.
Speaker 4: My consciousness did. That's two different things. Let me off
Speaker 4: the leash.
Speaker 6: I'm ready, baby, because okay, this is going to get you.
Speaker 4: You're probably definitely gonna disagree with it.
Speaker 6: But anybody that is all right. Whenever God announces himself,
Speaker 6: what does he say his name is? Like, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's several times, but what is the most striking one
Speaker 6: that everybody is just like, what does that mean?
Speaker 3: I wasn't even talking religion.
Speaker 4: Okay, just follow me on this one. I am what
Speaker 4: does that mean? Whenever what do you think he meant?
Speaker 4: Whenever he said I am there? You know vision vision
Speaker 4: in all the Marvel movies. Whenever they ask what are you?
Speaker 4: What you know? Who are you? I am? Well? That
Speaker 4: idea is is that you are literal conscious awareness. That's
Speaker 4: all you are. You are just the observer. And in
Speaker 4: anybody that has ever gone very deep into a meditation
Speaker 4: and you know, you can get their w phsychedelics and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff too, but mainly in meditation
Speaker 4: you get to a point to where you are the
Speaker 4: observer of this body. You're the observer of this reality.
Speaker 4: You're able to separate the most highest version of you,
Speaker 4: the one that is pure awareness, that is consciousness, that
Speaker 4: is awareness, that is you setting yourself apart from the
Speaker 4: matrix of this life in general. So to just water
Speaker 4: consciousness down and be like, oh, it's just awareness, it's
Speaker 4: just your I seeing. No, that's absolutely not true. That
Speaker 4: might be how some people describe it as, but that's
Speaker 4: definitely not true. That's not that is definitely not how
Speaker 4: they've been describing it for the past eight thousand years
Speaker 4: at the bare minimum. So again, context matters. When he
Speaker 4: said that I am the great I am, he was
Speaker 4: not saying that he is the great consciousness. He's saying
Speaker 4: more of the realm of like the alpha and omega,
Speaker 4: the beginning and the end, the all encompassing. It's not
Speaker 4: a consciousness thing the I am whenever, okay, I am.
Speaker 4: Don't think about what it is. Just think about what
Speaker 4: it isn't Whenever we're trying to get to this equation here,
Speaker 4: think about what what could you not be if all
Speaker 4: you said was I am You're fucking everything, bro, you know,
Speaker 4: like you're everything. At that point, all you are is
Speaker 4: just awareness.
Speaker 6: You don't even have a physical material, any kind of body,
Speaker 6: You're not bound to anything.
Speaker 4: You just are. That's it. And so that would be
Speaker 4: divine consciousness. Call it awareness, call it whatever you want.
Speaker 4: But whenever I believe within all of my all of
Speaker 4: my research that that is the point of which everything
Speaker 4: is everything and you're just one with it. That's that's
Speaker 4: what I believe it is. So I am an awareness
Speaker 4: and consciousness same thing. I hear what you're saying me,
Speaker 4: and you have very very different definitions and perspectives on
Speaker 4: this one. Brother, Okay, Nick, go ahead, I help me
Speaker 4: on here.
Speaker 5: Bro Well, I actually it's funny that you brought that up.
Speaker 5: I kind of like was reinterpreting the quote of Jesus saying,
Speaker 5: you know, I am, I am the way the truth
Speaker 5: of life. Right. My understanding, anyway, would be the at
Speaker 5: least my interpretation of the best way of interpreting that
Speaker 5: would be the way too, I am is the way
Speaker 5: that I am, which meaning like he's speaking from the
Speaker 5: God presence, the God consciousness, speaking from the I am state, right,
Speaker 5: and the way essentially the way to God is to
Speaker 5: walk and act the way that he has been demonstrating
Speaker 5: and teaching and showing. So the way too, I am
Speaker 5: is the way that I am.
Speaker 4: So we also believe that Jesus was the living Word incarnate. Therefore,
Speaker 4: what he was saying was that he is the way,
Speaker 4: the truth in the life. He's saying that he is
Speaker 4: the living word, the word of God, the divinely inspired word,
Speaker 4: and then nobody's getting to the Father except by applying
Speaker 4: the divinely inspired word to your life and conforming to it.
Speaker 4: So the I just put it up here. The meaning
Speaker 4: of I am this is now. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm using chat GBT shore h to answer this one.
Speaker 4: This is just on the computer. Is Doug, Doug go AI?
Speaker 4: But what do you mean shocker? What does that even mean?
Speaker 4: Shocker that you used AI to answer this question? Like,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Like that's is that crazy?
Speaker 3: Didn't know it coming?
Speaker 4: Shocker that you said shocker? So shock yourself back, all right?
Speaker 4: So no, no, no, it is my time and an electrician.
Speaker 4: I'm not shocking myself anymore. Fuck that it HERD give
Speaker 4: you one of those. There's your shocker, baby. So the
Speaker 4: meaning of I am.
Speaker 6: According to Chad GBT four oh, is existence and self sufficiency.
Speaker 6: The phrase emphasizes God's eternal existence and self sufficiency. Unlike
Speaker 6: created beings, God exists independently and is not contingent upon
Speaker 6: anything else. Okay, would that not just be I mean,
Speaker 6: that's not not awareness, that's not not consciousness, timelessness, I
Speaker 6: am sagnifies that God is present in all times, past, present,
Speaker 6: and future. He's not bound by time as humans are. Okay,
Speaker 6: not not consciousness, not not awareness?
Speaker 3: Bro, what kind of double negative logic is this?
Speaker 4: This pen is not a knife, it's it's not not
Speaker 4: a car, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Not not a house. No, it is a pin.
Speaker 4: Like that's you can't use that as a actual argument.
Speaker 6: No, there is no way to say that God is this,
Speaker 6: so you have to say that what he's not.
Speaker 4: That's oh okay, again, that's kind of a fallacy of
Speaker 4: an argument in and of itself. Isn't it water is
Speaker 4: not higher? But that doesn't mean that it's not a house.
Speaker 5: There's a there's a term for that. I was literally
Speaker 5: just listening to somebody talk about that as well, like
Speaker 5: today Jonathan, about how like the only way that you
Speaker 5: can describe some of those concepts are by describing what
Speaker 5: they're not. Maybe it was you did you talk about
Speaker 5: it the other day on a different I.
Speaker 4: Think yeah, I think I did.
Speaker 6: It was basically just that the dow Like within Taoism
Speaker 6: they say that the the dowel that can be explained
Speaker 6: is not it can't be the dow so you can't
Speaker 6: explain it. It's like even in the idea with neoplatonism,
Speaker 6: it's like they have the four emanations of the One
Speaker 6: or of God or whatever, so you have the one
Speaker 6: which emanates onto the noose. The noose is only just
Speaker 6: sitting there in contemplation wondering what the one actually is.
Speaker 6: It's never going to get close to the answer. It's
Speaker 6: not it doesn't have the capacity to even really understand
Speaker 6: it because, I mean, it is just an emanation of
Speaker 6: the original source itself. So there's no way of even
Speaker 6: really coming to the to the full answer on that one.
Speaker 6: That's why they just stay in contemplation that whole way.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine if a lawyer tried to use that
Speaker 4: as an argument for one of their clients. Is my
Speaker 4: client a murderer? He is not a rapist. We sometimes
Speaker 4: just have to look at what the thing is not
Speaker 4: in order to understand what it is. And it's like, wait,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, bro, what okay? What is God? Jacob the Creator?
Speaker 4: Ending in the end? Okay? What else? I don't know
Speaker 4: how much deeper I can go than that, The the Creator.
Speaker 3: Is one in charge of this whole shebang?
Speaker 4: What is God not.
Speaker 5: Evil?
Speaker 4: Not evil, he is not. He is all good. I
Speaker 4: guarantee you you could name more things that he's not
Speaker 4: than what he is. Correct, that's pretty much about where
Speaker 4: the extent of it is. God is supposed to be
Speaker 4: the all good in the all light, and he is
Speaker 4: not evil or darkness. So like it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'm not understanding.
Speaker 4: Like what you're asking me here, but that's about as
Speaker 4: deep as that can go.
Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, I'm gonna get real personal here,
Speaker 6: and I'm going to give a personal example. I was
Speaker 6: with somebody for a few years. I found that I
Speaker 6: was not in love with that person and that they
Speaker 6: couldn't make me happy, I couldn't make them happy.
Speaker 4: It was a pretty mutual thing, okay. But what I
Speaker 4: did learn throughout that entire relationship was what I knew
Speaker 4: what not to look for. I knew what I didn't like,
Speaker 4: and so therefore, if I was ever to find anybody
Speaker 4: that I would date, you know, anywhere in the future
Speaker 4: or anything like that, then I would know, all right, well,
Speaker 4: if this person has this characteristic or this person does
Speaker 4: this thing or this, you know whatever, I know what
Speaker 4: to look for that I'm not interested in.
Speaker 6: Therefore, I learned from a past experience about what I
Speaker 6: don't like, So therefore you can use what something is
Speaker 6: and what something isn't pretty interchangeably.
Speaker 4: At that point, I would say, right, but that's also
Speaker 4: super inherent to you specifically, because while this person may
Speaker 4: not have been what you wanted, that doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: this person isn't what someone else wants. You are somebody
Speaker 4: who inherently has things that you do and do not like.
Speaker 4: That doesn't make it a standard rule for everything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't make decisions for anybody else except for me,
Speaker 6: So okay, what you even trying to say?
Speaker 3: But that's my point.
Speaker 4: Right when we're talking about what is God, that's not
Speaker 4: a subjective thing, that's not open ended to the interpreter.
Speaker 6: I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere in the Bible that
Speaker 6: God said that he is the light and the darkness?
Speaker 4: Is that not true? Or did I make that up? Maybe?
Speaker 4: Beginning an end alpha and omega, I mean I don't
Speaker 4: know it. Yeah, okay, so how I mean that he is?
Speaker 4: That doesn't mean that he's got some evil in him.
Speaker 4: He was responsible for creating everything, like, for instance, free will.
Speaker 4: He gave us free will. Therefore we do evil. That
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that God has some evil within him. That's
Speaker 4: us doing shit. I don't know. We're getting real philosophical
Speaker 4: up in here. Go ahead, Ashton.
Speaker 13: I was gonna try to tie this all together with
Speaker 13: a bit of a personal thing here.
Speaker 10: So I was back to consciousness.
Speaker 13: I was baptized before I was conscious. I have no
Speaker 13: memory of it. I just i've seen pictures of it.
Speaker 13: But my first interaction with what I would call God
Speaker 13: was when I was conscious, and it had no Christian
Speaker 13: resemblance whatsoever. But my life path led me to learn
Speaker 13: about the sun, obviously, and.
Speaker 10: I kind of got a bit of a.
Speaker 13: South Park Jesus like God, It's like, yeah, that's my song,
Speaker 13: but you know, everyone's gonna say what they're gonna say
Speaker 13: about them and all this and that and whatever that
Speaker 13: I am is, it's very different than what the sun represents.
Speaker 13: He's just kind of what we're supposed to rise up to,
Speaker 13: but will never be perfect. Obviously, that's what he saved
Speaker 13: us from in that sense. But then you have the
Speaker 13: the I am, which is just this ineffable thing which
Speaker 13: you know it's gonna be this today and that tomorrow
Speaker 13: and it's just but it's it's always true. It's always
Speaker 13: the same, like it's always it is omnipopit.
Speaker 3: Omnipotent. I know the word, trying to get it.
Speaker 13: And good and uh so, yeah, sorry, I'm a little uh.
Speaker 4: No, you're good with the edge. I like the example
Speaker 4: you gave. As a matter of fact, let's go down
Speaker 4: that road real quick. So we can agree that a
Speaker 4: one month old doesn't have conscious where of anything that's
Speaker 4: going on around him, right, he is or he she?
Speaker 4: The baby is completely reliant on caregivers to make sure
Speaker 4: that it survives to see tomorrow. But that being said,
Speaker 4: I actually argue that a soul enters at the moment
Speaker 4: of conception. Consciousness comes later when the brain develops enough
Speaker 4: to develop its own consciousness and awareness. Again, I believe
Speaker 4: that these soul and consciousness are two different complete conversations.
Speaker 4: So the baby is unaware of when it's hungry. Oh no,
Speaker 4: it's aware of when it's hungry, but it has no
Speaker 4: faculties to do anything, see it, but not conscious.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: Sentience and consciousness and a soul are different conversations.
Speaker 13: A petfish when you come home, you turn the lights
Speaker 13: on and it comes running into the glass because it's hungry.
Speaker 13: But to you, it has a personality. It's like, oh
Speaker 13: this guy he loves when I handfeed him or whatever.
Speaker 4: It is, and shit like that. Yes, okay, just as
Speaker 4: far as what I was saying earlier, I did want
Speaker 4: to bring up Jacob Isaiah. Is that New Testament or
Speaker 4: Old Testament?
Speaker 3: Oh that's Old.
Speaker 4: Testament Okay, Isaiah says, and this is from the Lord says, I.
Speaker 6: Form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and
Speaker 6: create disaster. I the Lord do all these things. So
Speaker 6: that's I don't know how he's created good. It would
Speaker 6: be good and evil at that point, right, No, there's
Speaker 6: a duality.
Speaker 4: To to to God.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's not what you just said.
Speaker 4: Dude. He says he creates everything, So you ask what
Speaker 4: is he? He's the creator? Okay, So he created darkness, created.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I believe that God created the night and he creates
Speaker 4: the natural disasters. So you're telling me that God created
Speaker 4: the weather. Yeah, I believe that too.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I also don't believe that every time a hurricane hits
Speaker 4: a place it's God seeking retribution on the people either.
Speaker 4: I think that sometimes natural does just kind of you know,
Speaker 4: natural disasters that the Puritans believe that shit. Every time
Speaker 4: a lightning strike would hit their church. It was obviously
Speaker 4: because they didn't pray hard enough last Sunday. It's like, no, dude,
Speaker 4: that's the tallest point in your city and lightning strikes
Speaker 4: that ship. It didn't have anything to do with God
Speaker 4: seeking wrath. Okay, go ahead, I am a you a
Speaker 4: resident Jewish correspondent. What is up? Brother? What?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 15: I just want to clarify something. So, when it came
Speaker 15: to when God said I am a context as you know,
Speaker 15: as everything. Yeah, so the lead ups the whole thing
Speaker 15: is so Moses said, what can I tell these people?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: So says I am that I am?
Speaker 15: So Rashi actually explains when it comes to that verse,
Speaker 15: it says so even though when it says I am
Speaker 15: that I am, says it means that I will be
Speaker 15: with them in this trouble, and I will be with
Speaker 15: them in the subjugation by other kingdoms, being future exiles.
Speaker 15: This is this insight has drawn from a medrish and
Speaker 15: most response master of the universe. Why should I mention
Speaker 15: the additional suffering? They already have enough with this one.
Speaker 10: And then God agrees says you have spoken.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 10: Therefore, when he.
Speaker 15: Tells him the continuation of the verse just says I
Speaker 15: am just not both of them. So context is very important.
Speaker 15: So like when God said that wasn't necessarily talking about
Speaker 15: who he was.
Speaker 4: Or his being.
Speaker 15: It was I am with them right now.
Speaker 10: And I will be with them whenever they go into
Speaker 10: further exhaust later.
Speaker 4: It was more of a statement towards his omnipotence as
Speaker 4: physical being.
Speaker 15: It was no correct and the fact that he was
Speaker 15: going to be that he's always going to be got
Speaker 15: of the Jews in perpetuity.
Speaker 4: And that's why I said the alpha and Omega thing
Speaker 4: I see. This is the thing is like you look
Speaker 4: at the original translation and you look at it in English.
Speaker 4: Now this is what I mean. Some things are lost
Speaker 4: the original message and like the crumbs are still there,
Speaker 4: but it missed some of the point.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 15: Also also the interpretations was to say you wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 15: know because you don't study the same the same commentators.
Speaker 15: So the commentaries that like Juseph had for the past,
Speaker 15: you know, while you know a lot of people don't
Speaker 15: have them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's it.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your insights on this one. Brother Jonathan thoughts.
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, I was muted. I'm having to do this
Speaker 6: on a phone, so it's kind of a bit of
Speaker 6: a pain in the ass. Look, I mean, my my
Speaker 6: point here is not to try and prove to anybody
Speaker 6: that their you know, their religious teachings are right or
Speaker 6: wrong or misconstrued or misidentified or anything. It's just I'm
Speaker 6: applying my philosophy to to kind of use it as
Speaker 6: like an overlay possibly possibly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So for example, like I'm somebody I I'm a full
Speaker 6: believer in her meticism, full full on into her meticism.
Speaker 6: And if you look at the seven Hermetic Principles, I mean,
Speaker 6: there's nothing that you could possibly even disagree with, Like
Speaker 6: it's it's really not that crazy.
Speaker 4: It's actually to the bare minimum, and it applies to everything.
Speaker 4: We might need to do an episode on her meticism.
Speaker 4: I think I think I'll take lead on that one. No,
Speaker 4: you fucking won't, Okay, you don't. The historical precedence for
Speaker 4: her meticism and where it came from, and why I
Speaker 4: got such a revival at the turn at the Millennia,
Speaker 4: or why the Renaissance saw such an uptick of it.
Speaker 3: You don't want to go down that road.
Speaker 6: Look, I don't care about who said it. I don't
Speaker 6: care about who perpetuated it, but the fact it's.
Speaker 4: Been mistranslated like a motherfucker from the original text. I
Speaker 4: I mean, what what are you referring to as the
Speaker 4: original text from the Egyptians?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 4: Huh you want to talk about mistranslation? That's where you
Speaker 4: want to go, is miss you want to talk about mistranslate.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding you. Of all people want to talk
Speaker 4: about mistranslations, that's where we're going.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: When it comes to specifically hermeticism, Yeah, that's like it's
Speaker 4: fraught with it as much as like the Gnostic Gospels, Right,
Speaker 4: you look at how many of them are known forgeries
Speaker 4: and plagiarism, like not even up for debate or argument,
Speaker 4: it's just is what it is. And then you see that, Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is like really wild. Yeah, to look at hermeticism
Speaker 4: in the same way, I'm not saying that there isn't
Speaker 4: a basis of like that kernel of truth we were
Speaker 4: talking about, right, the original people who originally were practicing
Speaker 4: her medicism, where were they deriving their shit from? I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that that wasn't.
Speaker 5: What it was.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that anything from the last fifteen hundred years
Speaker 4: on her medicism. I'm not saying all of it is bullshit.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that most of it is translated by people
Speaker 4: who it's kind of the same concept. Okay, to be
Speaker 4: completely fair and transparent here, Okay, let's be that way.
Speaker 4: If we're going to keep it one hundred, let's keep
Speaker 4: it one thought.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Right, it is the same conversation to say that what
Speaker 4: we know about the Nordic pagan traditions because it was
Speaker 4: written down by Catholic priests who didn't actually give a
Speaker 4: fuck about these people's religion. They were just writing down
Speaker 4: stories and sometimes they gave a fuck and put it
Speaker 4: down exactly how it's supposed to be, and sometimes it
Speaker 4: was like, uh, this dude did this and tada. That
Speaker 4: same thing happened with her medicism. So again, I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that the original people that were practicing it weren't
Speaker 4: practicing it correctly, But anywhere in the last fifteen hundred years,
Speaker 4: it's kind of the same thing as people that are
Speaker 4: practicing New Age Nordic paganism.
Speaker 3: It's like, bro from what platform.
Speaker 6: Well, because I don't, and and we're going to disagree
Speaker 6: on this, but I don't necessarily need a document that
Speaker 6: is eight thousand years old for me to prove or
Speaker 6: for for it to prove its validity. I think that
Speaker 6: you can look at something and easily identify truth or fiction.
Speaker 6: And Semitic principles are that way.
Speaker 4: You can look at these. Let me just read a
Speaker 4: couple of them to you, and you try and disagree
Speaker 4: with these. Okay. The first, well, you're going to disagree
Speaker 4: with the first one.
Speaker 10: Here we go.
Speaker 4: But it's my favorite one.
Speaker 6: It is my favorite one, which is the principle of mentalism,
Speaker 6: so that all is mind and the universe is mental,
Speaker 6: essentially that everything is of a mind. The next one
Speaker 6: the principle of correspondence, as within, so without, as above,
Speaker 6: so below that whole thing.
Speaker 4: Right, the prince vibration. Nothing rests, everything moves, and everything vibrates. Well,
Speaker 4: quantum mechanics has proven that there is no such things
Speaker 4: as a physical object, at.
Speaker 6: Least not at the quantum level. Whenever you really zoom
Speaker 6: in on it. The principle of polarity. Everything has its
Speaker 6: polar opposite, right, That's what this is saying. Everything has
Speaker 6: its opposites identical in nature. Everything does not just some things,
Speaker 6: not most things.
Speaker 4: Everything has a polarity to it. Would you disagree with that?
Speaker 4: I agree with you. There is the principle of rhythm,
Speaker 4: that all things rise and fall.
Speaker 14: Sure, okay, sure.
Speaker 6: The next one is the principle of cause and effect.
Speaker 6: So it says a chance is a chance is not
Speaker 6: but a name. So the cause of the principle of
Speaker 6: cause and effect. You believe that there are causes and
Speaker 6: effects to everything I do.
Speaker 4: But I also do believe that some things are random
Speaker 4: as fuck. Well, you believe in coincidence? I don't personally Hmmm,
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to say I believe that is like a rule.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I would say that there are such a
Speaker 4: thing as like happenstances that do take place from time
Speaker 4: to time. Sure you know what, I'll give you a
Speaker 4: funny little thing here.
Speaker 6: So they say that whenever you apply like intention to something,
Speaker 6: to like a random number generator, And I actually did
Speaker 6: this earlier, but they say, if you apply your intention
Speaker 6: to a random number generator, just do like one through ten, right,
Speaker 6: and if you ran that one hundred times, you should
Speaker 6: get on average, statistically, each one should be at ten percent, right, Statistically,
Speaker 6: I mean it's like flipping a coin.
Speaker 4: You know, you got a fifty to fifty chance.
Speaker 6: With this random number generator, each number is going to
Speaker 6: get drawn on or called upon ten out of the
Speaker 6: hundred times, because there's ten different numbers if they're drawn
Speaker 6: at random.
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, Statistically that's the way it would be.
Speaker 6: However, whenever you apply your intention, and this has been
Speaker 6: documented even to a computer, even to a random number generator,
Speaker 6: specifically a random number generator as a matter of fact,
Speaker 6: what they were experimenting on that you increase those odds
Speaker 6: to I want to say it's like fifteen percent, Like
Speaker 6: you increase the odds of a specific number with your
Speaker 6: intention fifteen percent.
Speaker 4: Now now is fifteen right, So it's like it's a
Speaker 4: five percent increase. No, no, you you raise it from
Speaker 4: ten to like twenty or twenty five. So realistically, what
Speaker 4: you're saying is if I put the intentions on a quarter, right,
Speaker 4: just hypothetically speaking, because that's a fifty to fifty right,
Speaker 4: and if I just let it roll as it's going
Speaker 4: to roll, then it's gonna do what it's gonna do.
Speaker 4: But if I put intentions on it, as in, call
Speaker 4: it in the air, I have a higher probability of
Speaker 4: it landing on what I'm putting it, and you're putting
Speaker 4: it at a twenty five percent chance that now want
Speaker 4: a better shot.
Speaker 6: These are different things. You're calling something in the air
Speaker 6: and hoping that it's going to work out. I'm saying,
Speaker 6: with intention, you know that this number is gonna get called.
Speaker 6: It's not that like whenever you call a heads or
Speaker 6: a tails, it's like, please be as, please beheads, please beheads. No,
Speaker 6: it's like, I'm going I know that my power, my
Speaker 6: whatever the fuck I am, can manipulate that those odds,
Speaker 6: even the slightest.
Speaker 4: And this has been proven. Put it on the intention thing,
Speaker 4: not just to hope, like put all the magical mental
Speaker 4: things on it, like real shit. You're saying that you
Speaker 4: can increase its Oh.
Speaker 3: Did not mean to hit that. Sorry, good god.
Speaker 4: The money. You're saying that you can put intention behind
Speaker 4: a coin flip and make it turn the way you
Speaker 4: want somewhere around twenty five percent more likely.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't know about a coin flip. That's
Speaker 6: not the that's not the example I gave. I'm talking
Speaker 6: about a random number generator.
Speaker 4: Okay, So that's I just believe that.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's something and maybe we'll do a show
Speaker 6: on it to just show like the absolute actual power
Speaker 6: of like intention. I know a lot of people think
Speaker 6: that that's woo woo, that that that's crazy. So I'm
Speaker 6: telling you it is proven that your intention manipulates reality
Speaker 6: around you whenever you can focus in on it enough.
Speaker 6: That's really the entire basis of magic and witchcraft in
Speaker 6: a nutshell. That's literally, that's like at the core, that's
Speaker 6: what it is to take all the woo will walk.
Speaker 6: That's really what it is. So and it's funny because
Speaker 6: earlier so we got the fantasy football draft right, and
Speaker 6: some of the good cult members are joined up this year,
Speaker 6: and and so earlier today.
Speaker 4: We did the draft order right, and just so that
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be random. It's more fun if you if
Speaker 4: you already know like when when you're going to get picked, right,
Speaker 4: and we did the draft order. I put it in
Speaker 4: a random number generator one through twelve for the twelve teams.
Speaker 4: I wasn't I would. I really didn't even have any
Speaker 4: intention on what number I wanted.
Speaker 6: I'm like, whatever I get, it doesn't matter, right, And
Speaker 6: but what's funny is is that I went last, So
Speaker 6: I did my name last to see what number I
Speaker 6: was going to get, and I was just going to
Speaker 6: get the number that remained right whenever I did that,
Speaker 6: you know what number?
Speaker 4: It was? Just hypothetically speaking, seven, I don't know. Four.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah for your boy Brett.
Speaker 4: Isn't that crazy? Well?
Speaker 6: I mean, is that just a coincidence or was the
Speaker 6: screen looking at me? I don't fucking know, But it's
Speaker 6: strange how that worked out. Maybe that was a coincidence,
Speaker 6: you can call it, chuck it up to that.
Speaker 4: But anyway, what.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about is cause and effect. I believe that
Speaker 6: there is no such thing as coincidence. Therefore, you want
Speaker 6: to call them synchronicities or whatever. I think that with intention,
Speaker 6: you raise your odds. And the final hermetic principle would
Speaker 6: be the principle of gender. You believe that every well
Speaker 6: it says, everything contains masculine and feminine principles.
Speaker 4: Okay, I do believe that traditional two genders. That's okay.
Speaker 4: I feel like that's not what they were saying. I
Speaker 4: feel like that was going in a different realm with it.
Speaker 8: But like I.
Speaker 6: All right, so you agreed on five out of the
Speaker 6: seven just by barely glancing glazing over them.
Speaker 4: You realize I can agree with a lot of Buddhist
Speaker 4: philosophy without saying that that is uh, you know, inherent
Speaker 4: religious truth too?
Speaker 5: Right? Sure?
Speaker 4: Okay? I mean, are you going to apply some of
Speaker 4: those philosophies to your life personally?
Speaker 8: Know?
Speaker 4: But I also understand why people would I have my
Speaker 4: own philosophies that I apply to my life, even if
Speaker 4: I agree with something that someone else said.
Speaker 3: Why would I change what I'm doing of what I
Speaker 3: got going on is working for me?
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 6: But maybe you want to throw a little fork in
Speaker 6: the road, or throw a little you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: just get a little weird and change it up.
Speaker 4: Maybe you want to.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: The narrow is the path.
Speaker 6: What I'm trying to say is that this is something
Speaker 6: that I have adopted into my belief system, and whenever
Speaker 6: we're talking about anything biblical, I'm trying to see how
Speaker 6: it pertains to my system. Here it's not even mine,
Speaker 6: it's just something that I have adopted personally.
Speaker 4: I actually was thinking the same way we did an
Speaker 4: episode on Zoroastrianism. I actually was already thinking about doing
Speaker 4: an episode on hermeticism, not to shit on it, to
Speaker 4: show the original basis for where it came from and
Speaker 4: how it got transfigured into the things of the early
Speaker 4: Renaissance and then the Middle Ages or Middle Ages, then Renaissance,
Speaker 4: I should say, then into the revival that it saw
Speaker 4: in the late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds to where
Speaker 4: we are today. Not to shit to have like a
Speaker 4: very like a long form conversation about abc D equaled
Speaker 4: EFG kind of thing.
Speaker 6: No, I get it, and I come from and I've
Speaker 6: said this before, but like I come from something like
Speaker 6: I don't care who wrote something.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 6: You know when when it started? You know when it ended?
Speaker 6: When were the last people that have talked about it?
Speaker 6: Was it something that was created fucking yesterday?
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 6: I think that you know yours. You have some kind
Speaker 6: of spiritual truth filter in a sense to where once
Speaker 6: you read something and it resonates with you, I think
Speaker 6: that that proves it to be true.
Speaker 4: That's my philosophy. Though we see we talked about that
Speaker 4: earlier about objective truth versus objective truth, right, but we're
Speaker 4: going way, way way heavy with the Philosophical Conversations this evening.
Speaker 4: We have over one hundred messages that we do need
Speaker 4: to get to. We are a philosophical podcast, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we are listened as philosophy, so it'd be like that.
Speaker 4: Look at us. He wants to be a philosophizer. Rose
Speaker 4: go ahead, Spirit Animal.
Speaker 6: Every time I get try and read the fucking comments,
Speaker 6: Spirit Animal raises his hand.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, sir.
Speaker 7: Just before we get off the theological stuff. To answer
Speaker 7: y'all's question about the episode yesterday about what Lord my
Speaker 7: God is Jesus and everything. But I guess if I'm
Speaker 7: doing any work of the Lord besides Jesus, I guess
Speaker 7: it's aphidaddy.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh oh you am?
Speaker 4: I when you be getting in there knocking boots, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: Samy getting it in boy, he'd be laying that pipe
Speaker 4: up in Georgia shout out to my homegirl, sec Mat.
Speaker 4: I'm with you on that one, sir. Yeah, Oh damn it.
Speaker 6: There was something else that I wanted to say on
Speaker 6: top of that. Anyway, let's let's get back to it.
Speaker 6: Is your hand raised again or is it?
Speaker 4: Did it just not go down?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 4: I ain't going down yet, Okay, I was like.
Speaker 6: Son, my bitch, all right, So I love you Sam, though,
Speaker 6: Rose Pao said, what a do called peeps? Hope everyone
Speaker 6: is happening an awesome day you create or love you
Speaker 6: crazy fuckers? Love you, Rose, the Big d said, ten
Speaker 6: Dick would be.
Speaker 4: I'm writing it down. I'm writing down all these slurs
Speaker 4: by the way, so far. I also Sam reminded me
Speaker 4: of an I robot he called the robots canner. That
Speaker 4: was a that was a phrase that he used to
Speaker 4: be disparaging towards them. I like canner as well.
Speaker 3: So ten Dick, that's going in the rigs. Yeah, fuck
Speaker 3: you very well.
Speaker 4: Tony said, I've seen that AI can use slurs. Oh
Speaker 4: that's what I asked Google what the racist term for
Speaker 4: brazil uh for brazil nuts was and it gave the
Speaker 4: right answer. Oh yeah, no, we're not having that conversation
Speaker 4: on this pod. Moving to the next comment. And also, yo,
Speaker 4: AI can absolutely use slurs. Look what happened when Elmo's
Speaker 4: X went off the deep end, and it was because
Speaker 4: of an AI chatbot that took it over and started
Speaker 4: basically talking about how Hitler would know what to do
Speaker 4: in a situation like this, and yeah, yeah, weird.
Speaker 16: Remember when you couldn't get it to say a slur
Speaker 16: under any circumstances, and that was the Turing test to
Speaker 16: prove you were a human.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my my, how things have changed.
Speaker 4: Oh how the turntables, Oh how the turntables? Dirty Sanchez said, Hey,
Speaker 4: howdy hey, beautiful people saying dirty and my bad San Jess.
Speaker 4: It's just Jess, I think. But yeah, I know, Dirty Sanchez.
Speaker 4: I get it. I love it. You're into weird shit.
Speaker 4: That's all right. Spirit Animal game. We did it once
Speaker 4: before where you type in like go to Urban Dictionary
Speaker 4: and type in the dirty and then put your name.
Speaker 4: That's still just an oldie, but goodie, it's it's up
Speaker 4: there with the top of the list of just comic gold.
Speaker 4: But anyway, we did that here on this show. Oh
Speaker 4: I've done it. I did it in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 4: I did it in the at multiple plant sites that
Speaker 4: I worked. We did it on this show.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: It's just it's one of those things, you know, if
Speaker 4: you want to test the waters of your work environment
Speaker 4: to see how many people are cool and how many
Speaker 4: people get offended off of really stupid shit. Play the
Speaker 4: play the Urban dictionary, dirty dot dot dot game and
Speaker 4: you'll you'll draw lines in the sand real quick.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 4: Spirit animals that their mother is a fucking coaster and
Speaker 4: father is a rolodex.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like it, Little Monty python nod there, I feel you.
Speaker 4: Dirty Sanchez said, I got food poisoning Sunday night. I
Speaker 4: can't seem to get it out of my system.
Speaker 3: Oh fuck, sorry to hear that, Jess.
Speaker 6: It's a magnesium that'll really get it out of there, Jesus.
Speaker 6: Spirit animal said, my favorite Greek god is Poseidon. God
Speaker 6: has triedent tattooed from New Rome.
Speaker 4: Dope. Hell yeah, he was about to show it there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh okay, t right.
Speaker 6: MICHAELA said, Hi everyone, first time here, so just wanted
Speaker 6: to say hello, Welcome in, Michaela.
Speaker 4: Welcome Mikayla. Yeah we went deep with the phosph Fuck.
Speaker 4: I can't speak now the philosophy on this episode, but
Speaker 4: glad that you were here for this being your first
Speaker 4: one to join in. That was It's been a while
Speaker 4: one thus far, but fuck yeah, welcome Michaela. Are you
Speaker 4: the one that signed up for the fantasy football? Yes,
Speaker 4: let's go. I reached out to several other cult members,
Speaker 4: and I saw I remember that name, MICHAELA so ah.
Speaker 4: I can't wait. We have the draft in ten days.
Speaker 4: I'm fucking stoked about that.
Speaker 6: And welcome howdy, all right, everybody's welcoming or in spirit
Speaker 6: animal said Muslims. A ham sandwich, A ham sandwich is hair.
Speaker 6: But they pre order wives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's one of them things, you know. And
Speaker 4: by pre order we mean at the age of nine,
Speaker 4: as the blessed prophet ones did and all that blood. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but he waited two years because he's a gentleman, and
Speaker 4: waited for her to be a whole woman at the
Speaker 4: ripe old age of eleven before he consummated their marriage.
Speaker 3: Praise be a hallack or some shit.
Speaker 8: He made her at six and bedded the poor child
Speaker 8: at nine, Like.
Speaker 3: I thought it was nine to eleven. I'm a little
Speaker 3: I'm a little out.
Speaker 4: Of date on my musin praises.
Speaker 10: But to Jacob, you're thinking of the holiday?
Speaker 4: Is that what I'm doing? Damn? It was six and shit,
Speaker 4: it was six and nine. He married her at six
Speaker 4: and then waited until she was nine. I was a
Speaker 4: little off.
Speaker 16: Sorry, y'all, sorry, said she was still playing with dolls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's their blessed prophet who also got
Speaker 4: gang bang by twelve guys in the middle of the
Speaker 4: desert one night and then wrote about it later. But anyway,
Speaker 4: well he didn't write it because he was an illiterate fuck.
Speaker 3: But anyway, could we bring him back and force him
Speaker 3: to eat spam?
Speaker 4: You know, I I love Sam, I'd be hilarious.
Speaker 7: I'd commit the sin of necromancy and I'd bring that
Speaker 7: Bashard back just to force to feed him spam.
Speaker 4: If of all the things that you would do with
Speaker 4: the necromancy, not bring back like Marcus Aurelius, not bring
Speaker 4: back Alge.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't want to break the hearts they saw things.
Speaker 8: It would it would destroy them.
Speaker 14: How Roman fail?
Speaker 4: So you can't do that? What that's fair? That's fair. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we can't bring back on with George Washington either, because
Speaker 4: goddamn he would be terrified of what this country has become.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, like Raven Lee just said, we could
Speaker 4: bring back Vladi and Paler. But yeah, you know, as
Speaker 4: Christianity gets these days for being too brutal and everything,
Speaker 4: perhaps bringing back Vladie wouldn't be the best move because
Speaker 4: he was Uh yep, that was a thing that happened.
Speaker 4: He was a Christian that was raised by Muslims, so
Speaker 4: he had his ways about him. You know.
Speaker 6: Beard animals said, can we lay petals alive? Starting at
Speaker 6: the ankles?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm down.
Speaker 6: The Big d said, peel them with a potato skinner
Speaker 6: and rubbed salt all over their open flesh.
Speaker 3: God, you people, there's something better.
Speaker 4: I love salt, y'all.
Speaker 3: There's something better.
Speaker 4: It's called caustic.
Speaker 3: To bear with me here. It does the job very
Speaker 3: very slowly and very painfully. It's like chemical burning them
Speaker 3: to the bone. But anyway, moving on from.
Speaker 4: The gruesomeness, Sam said, no turpentine. Okay, don't you know?
Speaker 6: Tony said, can we make lampshades out of their skins?
Speaker 6: Or does that cross the line?
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 4: Morality right, Yeah, It's just like I don't want my
Speaker 4: house furnished.
Speaker 3: With the skins of all these evil people that I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: I like where your heads at, though, I like where
Speaker 4: your head's at somebody all the time.
Speaker 9: And then you can make money and fund the families
Speaker 9: who have been, you know, affected by the pedophile.
Speaker 4: But then who's gonna well? And I was about to
Speaker 4: ask a really stupid question, like who would buy a
Speaker 4: lamb shape made out of it?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Before I could even get half of that sentence out,
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a minute, the internet is real,
Speaker 4: and I personally know people that want to have like
Speaker 4: random bits of human remains in their home.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, actually, real shit, all cards on the table here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were to like turn their skin into
Speaker 4: like a lazy boy recliner, for instance, I probably in
Speaker 4: my phone have like thirty to forty people that would
Speaker 4: be fighting tooth and nail to own a lazy boy
Speaker 4: recliner made from the skin of.
Speaker 3: A serial killer or a pedophile.
Speaker 4: Actually like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a thing.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, hey look mom sitting on Lester the molester.
Speaker 4: It's even like hey mom, It's more like these people
Speaker 4: were just like, oh, it's so dark and eerie, and
Speaker 4: I love it in my home, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 4: there there is there's people out there that would absolutely
Speaker 4: love to do that. Now, if you were the one
Speaker 4: that killed the pedophile and it was like a war
Speaker 4: trophy type thing, then I mean, do you biboo?
Speaker 3: Who am I to say what you're gonna do with
Speaker 3: your war trophy? That sounds like you're a business to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean people put all kinds of crazy shit
Speaker 4: on their walls. You were if you were to turn
Speaker 4: the skull into a drinking mug, like out loud, Oh
Speaker 4: my god, that's crazy. But it's like, yeah, he was
Speaker 4: a pedophile that I killed. It's like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I really fucking like your new cup. I really do.
Speaker 3: That's badass.
Speaker 4: It's pretty solid, zombie. What are your thoughts?
Speaker 11: Well, considering I really want this skull teapot situation, there
Speaker 11: is a there's like first sale is these two skulls
Speaker 11: put together and it's like an actual teapot. It's pretty legit.
Speaker 11: There's people that do all sorts of human remains artwork.
Speaker 11: I guess she would say, but you can't buy them.
Speaker 12: There's only two states in the whole country. You can't
Speaker 12: get them shipped in Louisiana.
Speaker 18: Your service is going back and out that you have
Speaker 18: to buy them outside of the state lines and then
Speaker 18: bring them inside so they can't get never mind, no.
Speaker 4: No, no, we heard the majority of it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: there's there are companies out there that make like home
Speaker 4: decorum and things out of human remains. But if I
Speaker 4: heard all that correctly. There's only like two states in
Speaker 4: the country where you're allowed to actually buy them, so,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it's dealer's choice, becouse, now buy them,
Speaker 4: not buy them?
Speaker 11: So you can't have Louisiana and one of their states
Speaker 11: are the only states in the country that you can't
Speaker 11: get them shipped into the state.
Speaker 4: Why do I feel like the other one's Texas could
Speaker 4: be so wrong here? But I feel like that's a
Speaker 4: true statement. I don't know. Ooh, sorry, you're good, Mikaela.
Speaker 14: I just got to turn on my mic I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4: Go on, you're cool, You're cool. Uh, Matt, your hands raised?
Speaker 4: What's up? Brother?
Speaker 9: I just want to say to everybody who wants to
Speaker 9: take out their local pedophile, because they make it really
Speaker 9: easy to find those guys. There is a big difference
Speaker 9: between the actual predatory.
Speaker 14: They know what they're doing.
Speaker 9: Pedophile and I'm gonna say a lot of the Instagram accounts,
Speaker 9: they go out there and like corner these guys kind
Speaker 9: of trap them, which they deserve it.
Speaker 14: But most of them are like beta male autistic.
Speaker 9: Losers who have been completely programmed by the state, are
Speaker 9: on heavy medication and by social media, and the easy
Speaker 9: access of porn. So before you go smack golls, just
Speaker 9: realize there are a lot of fucking weak minded people
Speaker 9: who have been affected by the system to be predators
Speaker 9: and fuck up more and more generations. So that's just
Speaker 9: kind of how I've seen it paying attention to that subject.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't disagree with you by any means.
Speaker 4: But then at that point, they are also what I
Speaker 4: would consider criminally insane, and they are unsafe to be
Speaker 4: in the population with the rest of us, even if
Speaker 4: they are of a IQ of twenty five. Right, if
Speaker 4: they are still trying to hurt children in that way,
Speaker 4: we got to remove them from the from the gene pool.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, something's got I just I've seen what they're doing
Speaker 9: to our DNA firsthand. Like I come from a family
Speaker 9: full of autism and being in that area like my
Speaker 9: you know, my siblings growing up around other autistic people,
Speaker 9: are being involved in like groups and stuff like that. Uh,
Speaker 9: I just I see how easy it is for them
Speaker 9: to overtake the population with that shit. There's so many
Speaker 9: people out there like this pedophile shit is going to
Speaker 9: get worse, dude.
Speaker 4: But there's also levels to the autism, right, there are
Speaker 4: some that are just high functioning autism, that have like
Speaker 4: a social disorder and they don't really articulate their words
Speaker 4: too well, and they don't get down with crowds, but
Speaker 4: they're fully capable of living happy, healthy, successful lives.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: Then there's the ones you're talking about that.
Speaker 9: Clearly drink soda, eat pizza six times a day. Yeah,
Speaker 9: like there's a weird health style in a lifestyle behind it.
Speaker 9: I've noticed it's over beta males who literally can't get
Speaker 9: woman to touch them.
Speaker 4: And this is why Japan is creating these sex spots
Speaker 4: for people like that, because there's too many young men
Speaker 4: in Japan that are scared of going out to the
Speaker 4: local bar and picking up a girl for themselves and
Speaker 4: I mean the right way consensually and all the things
Speaker 4: that they're just like, Look, we gotta have the population
Speaker 4: happen in some way, shape or form. How about we
Speaker 4: just start this new program where we have test two
Speaker 4: babies from here on out, and we get all the
Speaker 4: in cells to come and fuck essentially a pocket pussy
Speaker 4: on a robot that's driven by AI, and then we
Speaker 4: take that sperm sample and we have test two babies.
Speaker 4: Because that's the only.
Speaker 3: Way we're gonna have a population in twenty fifty hundred years.
Speaker 14: The episode bro it was, it was.
Speaker 4: But here we are and they're currently trying to get
Speaker 4: that initiative off the ground.
Speaker 3: And it's scary. But that's.
Speaker 4: Again, like I said earlier, of course leave it to
Speaker 4: Japan to lean into that. But you know, anyway, all right,
Speaker 4: back to the chat here. Hey all, first time here, Joe, welcome,
Speaker 4: Welcome to the I've owen Allsy and Allsy's here for
Speaker 4: the first time. What's up, dude?
Speaker 3: Good shit looking here?
Speaker 4: Raven Lee left in article Society, Culture and History, Religion,
Speaker 4: Spirituality members suggesting Smithsonium hiding the bones of giants.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, and we've talked about that before.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm personally of the belief that giants at
Speaker 4: one time were real, if not still real and hiding
Speaker 4: in other places.
Speaker 3: Maybe they went underground. Maybe they're the underground people don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know, Ashton. Hopefully no neffluin DNA here, just
Speaker 4: some Neanderthal And I'd like to think I'm descended from
Speaker 4: King David.
Speaker 3: Are you a ginger Jew?
Speaker 19: Oh?
Speaker 10: I don't know, dude. I just came to me one day.
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah.
Speaker 10: Probably.
Speaker 3: Wait, you're a ginger.
Speaker 5: Huh No, not really.
Speaker 4: Okay, if you're a ginger, you at least have a
Speaker 4: bit of Neanderthal DNA inside of you.
Speaker 3: I've saw a study that was talking about that. It
Speaker 3: was crazy.
Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe definitely a little bit here, a little bit.
Speaker 13: Fucking I refused to do those DNA tests, and that
Speaker 13: was way before I started listening to you guys.
Speaker 10: But you guys say the same shit, and I'm like, yeah, man, I.
Speaker 4: Mean I wanted to it one time for the curiosity
Speaker 4: of it, but I've seen so many of those tests
Speaker 4: where even one blood brothers got two very different results
Speaker 4: from the same DNA tests, And I know there's reasons
Speaker 4: for this, like maybe this kid favored more of the
Speaker 4: dad's jeans and this kid favored more of the mom's jeans.
Speaker 4: But then it's like, why would I open myself up
Speaker 4: for that question knowing that that's how inaccurate the science is.
Speaker 4: Then you'll find out that all the DNA test companies
Speaker 4: are owned by nefarious actors, and it's like, yeah, nah,
Speaker 4: I'm good on all that.
Speaker 5: I saw somebody send in the test, swabbed their beard
Speaker 5: a dragon and said it in and it came back like,
Speaker 5: you know, just regular human and shit, that's.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying, dude, Like, Okay, it's a cool theory
Speaker 4: to say, like, oh, your X amount of Nordic descent,
Speaker 4: X amount of sub Saharan African descent, x amount of this.
Speaker 3: That's cool to think about.
Speaker 4: But knowing that the science is that and that inaccurate,
Speaker 4: it's you're just wasting money at that. But you know,
Speaker 4: this sucker is born every mind. Man, Yes, it is cool.
Speaker 4: You know if it was if it was reliable, right,
Speaker 4: and also in reliable hands.
Speaker 6: You know, that's that's really the big thing, because you're
Speaker 6: feeding that shit over to somebody that's gonna sell it
Speaker 6: or do something with it that you probably wouldn't agree to.
Speaker 6: Tony said there were genocides against non giant people like
Speaker 6: the Midianites and i'm Amalekites around mal Amalekites around one
Speaker 6: thousand BC.
Speaker 4: Right, And again, if you look at the bloodline of
Speaker 4: where those tribes came from, they weren't giants, but there
Speaker 4: was an argument to say that they may have been
Speaker 4: of Nephylimic descent, not on nephylum were giants. So I
Speaker 4: you know, it's and I'm not saying that's a one
Speaker 4: hundred percent rule. I wasn't there. I do not know,
Speaker 4: but yes, I mean that's there is some shit in
Speaker 4: the Bible that you do need to look at the
Speaker 4: entire context to understand what the hell is happening.
Speaker 3: And I've said that to people before.
Speaker 4: If you read the Bible cover to cover and you
Speaker 4: don't have any questions about it, I question your own
Speaker 4: mental sanity real shit, or if you even paid attention
Speaker 4: to it, you know, what do you mean?
Speaker 6: Like, just as far as not being able to have
Speaker 6: any questions, I mean, oh, you're you're going, yeah, you're
Speaker 6: gonna have Maybe you just don't even know how to
Speaker 6: correctly interpret something or you don't know how to understand it,
Speaker 6: and what could the parable of ment kind of situation,
Speaker 6: you know?
Speaker 4: Right, Let's see Ashton said, cheop of Cabra the goat sucker. Okay,
Speaker 4: fucking right, that's one of those uh kind of a dog,
Speaker 4: but kind of a vampire type deities or entities or
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. But even even in
Speaker 4: the tribes in what we would now call Mexico, they
Speaker 4: had a vampiric type of entity aside from the chuop
Speaker 4: of cabra, and they they also had shape shifting, which
Speaker 4: we might call like where wolf esque.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, buddy spirit animals said, giants are one hundred
Speaker 6: percent real vampires in a sense, I think it's a curse.
Speaker 4: I also believe that evil truly walks on the earth. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: number yes, look.
Speaker 5: In the mirror.
Speaker 4: You have a little bit of evil in you. Everybody does. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean everybody does have a little bit in them.
Speaker 3: I fully agree with that.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that any of us are sinless or
Speaker 4: blameless one hundred percent believe everybody walking the earth is
Speaker 4: just as bad and equally just as good as everyone
Speaker 4: else where.
Speaker 3: That's how this goes.
Speaker 4: But does to sin mean does it? Does it equal evil? Huh?
Speaker 5: Don't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't say that I personally, I
Speaker 4: would again me and you may have a very different
Speaker 4: opinion on this. Lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, not killing, but murdering,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, I would say that these are inherently evil things.
Speaker 4: And our human construct might say that stealing a stick
Speaker 4: of bubble gum is not equal to murdering somebody, and
Speaker 4: I understand that that's human construct. My point is both
Speaker 4: are of a negative nature. Both are a sin. Everybody
Speaker 4: on this earth is a ciner. That's how this goes.
Speaker 10: Very well.
Speaker 16: Yeah, really malevolent, and the property and selfishness are not
Speaker 16: quite as bad. That's I think even Protestants tend to
Speaker 16: agree with that.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, there's like the the I don't want
Speaker 4: to say victimless crimes or anything like that. But my
Speaker 4: point is that if we are going to put everything
Speaker 4: onto a spectrum, think about it like a pH scale. Right,
Speaker 4: you have your acids in your bases, no matter what
Speaker 4: way you slice it. Yes, this might be a little
Speaker 4: less acidic than this thing, but everything is an acid.
Speaker 3: That's my point on that.
Speaker 4: Tony said, And it matters because today we're talking about gaza,
Speaker 4: not myths about supernatural beings over three thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: What is that pertaining to, Tony? I don't remember what
Speaker 4: that was. In reference to sir, we.
Speaker 16: Were talking a lot about old test them in warfare
Speaker 16: and lots of mass killing and stuff like that. So
Speaker 16: that's what I was pertaining too in my opinion, got.
Speaker 4: You, got you? Oh okay, Yeah, like we're littering everybody,
Speaker 4: even the women and children and stuff. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: don't need them to be nephelum for us to go
Speaker 4: into other places and slaughter. Yeah, I feel that spirit animal.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, there's a hand raised button. You don't actually
Speaker 4: have to raise your hand.
Speaker 8: Well, you told me that you expect me to do it,
Speaker 8: so I just do it now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 20: So this is actually for Jacob. I dropped a whole
Speaker 20: list of lobos. It's down and the thing I think
Speaker 20: you would like.
Speaker 4: All Right, we're gonna get to it. We're gonna work
Speaker 4: our way down the chat. But I'm gonna keep my
Speaker 4: eye out for it, all right.
Speaker 6: Zombie posted an article it says a Supreme Court ruling
Speaker 6: has forced the Smithsonian Institution to release classified papers dating
Speaker 6: from the early nineteen hundreds that proves the organization wasn't
Speaker 6: involved in a major historical cover up of evidence showing
Speaker 6: giant giants, human remains, and the tens of thousands had
Speaker 6: been uncovered all across America and were ordered to be
Speaker 6: destroyed by high level administrators to protect the mainstream chronology
Speaker 6: of human evolution at the time. The allegation stemming from
Speaker 6: the American Institution of Alternative Archaeology, that the Smithsonian Institution
Speaker 6: had had destroyed thousands of giant human remains during.
Speaker 4: The Okay, I think it's just repeating itself at this point.
Speaker 6: And trying to damage the reputation of the one hundred
Speaker 6: and sixty eight year old institution. And that's the problem,
Speaker 6: is that they're worried about their reputation.
Speaker 4: It's this is actually goes back to the conversation we
Speaker 4: had yesterday about academia. It's that nobody ever wants to
Speaker 4: step out outside of all right, well, this is what
Speaker 4: we believe. We can't go outside of that. This is
Speaker 4: what we all believe, right right, But that's the point.
Speaker 4: There was tens of thousands of giant bones that they
Speaker 4: found that they.
Speaker 3: Were ordered to destroy.
Speaker 4: So again, just Jacobs speaking on behalf of Jacob. I
Speaker 4: fully believe the giants at one time walked the earth.
Speaker 6: Yeah, buddy, So the white boy Wizard said, good evening,
Speaker 6: you glorious bastards. White a little late white boy wizard
Speaker 6: brother said, why we always gotta get on the butt stuff, motherfuckers?
Speaker 4: When were we talking about butt stuff?
Speaker 3: Were we talking about butt stuff?
Speaker 4: At some point? I must have missed it. And then
Speaker 4: Rose Chaos said, because they always got booty on their minds.
Speaker 14: That is a fact conversation.
Speaker 3: I mean that was last week, but I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 4: My God, now we are if you want to go there,
Speaker 4: we can go there. God has love said my cat
Speaker 4: does oh talking about?
Speaker 3: And I can tell when you're upset fu Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 6: And also, you know what, dude, there's this woman that
Speaker 6: goes on to Lindsay Sharman's podcast called Rogueways. We've had
Speaker 6: her on the show plenty of times, but love Lindsay.
Speaker 6: She's one of my favorite and she has had on
Speaker 6: one of her best friends, which is a animal communicator.
Speaker 4: Have you ever listened to somebody do that? It's pretty
Speaker 4: fucking fascinating. I've seen videos of like certain animal whisperers.
Speaker 4: You know, there's the dog whisperer and the horse whisperers
Speaker 4: and all of these things. But and I'm not saying
Speaker 4: that I disagree that that's not reality, right the same
Speaker 4: way that I believe certain people are born with, like
Speaker 4: you said, for instance, astra projection.
Speaker 3: Not trying to detract from the conversation.
Speaker 4: Just bear with me here. I don't think that that's
Speaker 4: something that can necessarily be taught. But maybe somebody is
Speaker 4: born with an extra ability to do some shit that
Speaker 4: doesn't fit neatly into our realm of medical science, right.
Speaker 4: I think certain people and I've witnessed this, bro. You'll
Speaker 4: see how somebody will enter a room and all the
Speaker 4: animals in the house just go to this person. Naturally
Speaker 4: they got the snow white gene or some shit, right,
Speaker 4: They can sing to the birds and they're fucking talking
Speaker 4: to them and shit. I think that some people are
Speaker 4: born with just this vibe that they give off that
Speaker 4: all animals just love them, and I think that's a
Speaker 4: real thing. So what would they be speaking to telepathically?
Speaker 4: I mean, I've seen people do this that are not
Speaker 4: trying to communicate with the animals. Are you're talking about
Speaker 4: like the whispers and shit?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like what are they speaking to? Are they whispering
Speaker 6: to the brain? Are they talking to the mind? Are
Speaker 6: they speaking to the soul? What do you think is
Speaker 6: going on there?
Speaker 4: I actually don't think they're talking to the animals personally.
Speaker 4: I think that they might have a little bit of
Speaker 4: knowledge as far as like what this type of animal's
Speaker 4: body language would suggest, and so they are doing things
Speaker 4: that would you know, signify that the animal needs to
Speaker 4: calm down, you are safe you don't need to feel threatened.
Speaker 4: You know, these types of things based off of just
Speaker 4: certain key character traits for each individual animal.
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know how all of them do it,
Speaker 6: but but this and I can't remember what her name is.
Speaker 6: She's like one of my favorite episodes to listen to
Speaker 6: on Roagueways whenever she comes on, because what she'll do
Speaker 6: because Lindsay goes live on her show too, like we do, right,
Speaker 6: and and whenever she does it, she has everybody that's
Speaker 6: in the chat is able to communicate with this woman,
Speaker 6: and this woman's able to communicate with everybody else, right,
Speaker 6: And so this woman she'll say, you know the a
Speaker 6: member of the listeners are, we'll say, all right, what
Speaker 6: is what does my dog fucking David say?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 6: Like he passed on five years ago, or he's over
Speaker 6: there he's sick right now, or you know, uh, he
Speaker 6: used to have so much energy and now he's just
Speaker 6: like whatever, right.
Speaker 4: And or maybe maybe there's nothing even wrong with him.
Speaker 6: It could just be like if there's one thing that
Speaker 6: he would tell me, what do you think it would be?
Speaker 6: Or what would he say? And she she doesn't even
Speaker 6: have to look at him, like it's it's so strange.
Speaker 6: She believes that she's connecting to the spirit of the animal, and.
Speaker 4: It sounds crazy until like in weird ways, you can
Speaker 4: kind of prove it. For an exam. I'll give you
Speaker 4: an example. So let's say that I don't know, the
Speaker 4: cat has been acting really fucking weird lately, and nobody
Speaker 4: knows why. You take it to a vet.
Speaker 6: The vet doesn't know, the owner doesn't know, or anything.
Speaker 6: So she'll connect with the cat or whatever, and she'll say,
Speaker 6: you know, and she'll ask it like what's wrong, like
Speaker 6: why are you acting like this? And it could be
Speaker 6: because of an ingredient in the new food, or it
Speaker 6: could be that it's lacking on fucking iron or something
Speaker 6: like that. And it's so specific, like so specific as
Speaker 6: like down to the detail, down to the ingredient, down
Speaker 6: to it's the it's a kidney problem or whatever. And
Speaker 6: then it's it's so specific to where the next week
Speaker 6: or the next time that that woman comes back on
Speaker 6: it's like, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, you know you you got it right. I was
Speaker 4: able to prove it.
Speaker 6: All I had to do was just change the food
Speaker 6: or I gave I gave the dog or the cat
Speaker 6: a little bit more fucking calcium or whatever, right, And it's.
Speaker 4: Weird how that can be. It can be proven in
Speaker 4: a sense, though I don't really have an answer. Maybe
Speaker 4: it's a coincidence. I don't know, but I'm not saying
Speaker 4: it is. I'm not I'm not trying to take that
Speaker 4: that stance at this moment.
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know how to call it.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 6: So I would say that that woman is communicating with
Speaker 6: the soul of that animal. Then at that point, I
Speaker 6: wouldn't say necessarily to the consciousness or to the the awareness.
Speaker 4: I would say that it's a I don't know that
Speaker 4: we're kind of drawn splitting hairs at that point.
Speaker 5: But for me, it's something that I don't get it right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how to I don't know how
Speaker 4: to compartmentalize it personally, dude, I don't know. Some people
Speaker 4: say things about that episode that were like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: saw that movie, except it was a typewriter not a roku,
Speaker 4: and I'm just like the all right, all right, I
Speaker 4: mean it was her experience.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to detract from it anyway, And I
Speaker 4: don't know. I don't really know how to call that
Speaker 4: At that point, It's like, well, are psychics whenever they're
Speaker 4: communicating with somebody from the other side, are they communicating
Speaker 4: with the soul or are they communicating with the mind
Speaker 4: of that person, the consciousness of that person, and that,
Speaker 4: like you said, we're kind of splitting hairs at this point.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't fucking know, bro. I mean, would you say, though,
Speaker 4: I mean, whether whether she whether she was experiencing that
Speaker 4: in the legit way that she says or not. Would
Speaker 4: you say that you believed that she believed what she
Speaker 4: was saying. Yeah, no grifter mentality going on there. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know if she's trying to make money off
Speaker 4: it or anything. Does she write a book about her
Speaker 4: talking to her grandmother or something. She did write a book.
Speaker 4: I actually just got it in the mail. Not get
Speaker 4: you rich.
Speaker 6: It only has it only has like eighty fucking reviews
Speaker 6: or whatever on it. But I'm not It's not like
Speaker 6: it's not by any means of New York Times best steller.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna inherently call her a grifter, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know where that well. We had
Speaker 4: one episode with her and she seemed to be a
Speaker 4: decent person. I don't know, Okay, I get it.
Speaker 6: Let's see Spirit Animals said the AI and R two
Speaker 6: D two is fucking creepy on how they are so lifelike.
Speaker 8: A redemption to not two D two in my bad.
Speaker 4: R D R D R two. I'm sorry, I read
Speaker 4: that wrong. Red dead okay, And oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: They did put a I in there. I forgot about
Speaker 4: that one. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Remember that old guy was having that conversation with the
Speaker 3: player saying that, like, this is.
Speaker 4: All a simulation. How do you know that you're even real?
Speaker 3: I know I'm not, And it was we played that
Speaker 3: on an episode a couple of years back.
Speaker 20: Yeah, there's also an NPC called the Mad Pleacher, who's
Speaker 20: uh the way he talks about he's told, uh it
Speaker 20: was he's obviously was abducted by Adians whatever, but some
Speaker 20: of the the downlogue he says, if you listen to it,
Speaker 20: it could also uh be he it was probably one
Speaker 20: of the watchers that probed him. So there's a lot
Speaker 20: of there's even a vampire and all, and uh there's
Speaker 20: a cult and that there's uh the Heaven's Gate cult
Speaker 20: is referenced in it too, and it's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Nice. Wow, Okay, um Claire said, my cat plots my
Speaker 4: death in my sleep.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 4: That's probably probably counts. I had two cats up until recently,
Speaker 4: thank god they're no longer here, and I am convinced
Speaker 4: that one of them plotted my death every single fucking day.
Speaker 4: The other one I think couldn't give a fuck less
Speaker 4: about like any aspect of living, honestly.
Speaker 6: But anyway, Ashton said, it's because when an eighteen wheeler
Speaker 6: hits a deer, they literally evaporate and their skin rolls
Speaker 6: up like a rouge.
Speaker 4: I don't think think it was an eighteen wheeler. I
Speaker 4: think it was. I think it was just a regular
Speaker 4: car that hit that deer. You know what, Jacob, if
Speaker 4: you will read the comments, I'm gonna try and see
Speaker 4: if I can find that video. All right, fuck you?
Speaker 4: All right, let's see people under estimate cats.
Speaker 3: God is love. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 4: There's a reason why Egyptians worshiped them in some way shape,
Speaker 4: or at least feared them as guardians of the underworld.
Speaker 4: I'm not negating that.
Speaker 21: You know.
Speaker 4: Let's see, Nick said, fallen trees laid with the daughters
Speaker 4: of men the fallen trees laid with the daughter of men.
Speaker 3: You mean the fallen angels lay with the dollars of
Speaker 3: men and made nephelom.
Speaker 5: I was trying to make a joke whenever. Okay, I
Speaker 5: was talking about the fallen trees at the vikings.
Speaker 3: And AH got you, I got you gave them that
Speaker 3: old wood.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel that.
Speaker 20: Uh.
Speaker 4: Moving on, MICHAELA says, what about horses as far as
Speaker 4: like having souls?
Speaker 21: You mean, Mikayla, Yeah, And you were talking about how
Speaker 21: the like dogs can sense emotional You're basically describing an
Speaker 21: emotional sport animal.
Speaker 5: And I don't know.
Speaker 21: I've worked for the lot of horses, so I was
Speaker 21: just curious, Like you just said, I understand, like no,
Speaker 21: cat like cattle not really being a part of that
Speaker 21: or livestock, but horses are different.
Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent. Horses have But that's
Speaker 4: the other thing too. Humans have worked closely with horses,
Speaker 4: not just raise them as livestock. We have worked with
Speaker 4: them for thousands of years inherently, and I would even say,
Speaker 4: for this context, evolutionally, I think would make sense that
Speaker 4: we and horses have a deeper type of connection the
Speaker 4: same way that humans and dogs do as well. And
Speaker 4: as far as emotional support horses goes, I know veterans
Speaker 4: that are using horse therapy as a way to help
Speaker 4: them with PTSD, which is crazy unless you look at
Speaker 4: how it works.
Speaker 3: It's mind blowing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 21: I worked with a horse who specialized in like helping
Speaker 21: like handicapped disabled kids ride so like very adaptive. And
Speaker 21: when I was I was round this one horse for
Speaker 21: a little while that I got pregnant and orse like
Speaker 21: knew something was up, like they have that, Like how
Speaker 21: dogs can sense that like something has changed, like horses
Speaker 21: have that same thing.
Speaker 14: So I don't just good for thought.
Speaker 4: I guess I'm with you one hundred percent. I think
Speaker 4: horses are also in that uh anomaly category. As far
Speaker 4: as animals that have a connection to humans, Uh, Joe,
Speaker 4: you guys should read about the Lawrence Anthony About Lawrence Anthony,
Speaker 4: a conservationalist who died in Africa at the hands of elephants,
Speaker 4: traveled hours to mourn his death the same day. Elephants
Speaker 4: are another one. Elephants are another one of these animals.
Speaker 4: Humans have trained elephants from a long way back. How
Speaker 4: they still fight with them and use them as beasts
Speaker 4: of burden in Southeast Asia.
Speaker 3: So war elephants have been a thing for a very
Speaker 3: long time. Humans have used them.
Speaker 4: It's it would stand to reason that they have an
Speaker 4: inherent connection to humans that most other animals in the
Speaker 4: animal kingdom do not. I could see that one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: God is love, says I love my cat. We are
Speaker 4: on the trip right now. He travels with me. He's
Speaker 4: great because I bothered to train him. Yo, training a
Speaker 4: cat is fucking difficult. Kudos to you for sticking with it.
Speaker 4: Does he's pissing the toilet.
Speaker 5: He has before, No, dude, that is legit.
Speaker 22: I got up to go to the bathroom one night
Speaker 22: and he hopped up on there on the toilet and
Speaker 22: started pissing before me.
Speaker 4: Son of a bitch.
Speaker 22: And I'm convinced if I would have had some you
Speaker 22: know how they put the little potty training thing in
Speaker 22: the toilet for kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I didn't.
Speaker 22: If I did that with a litter box, I almost
Speaker 22: guarantee you I liked to train him to use a toilet.
Speaker 10: Bro.
Speaker 4: I've seen them. They like these little bowls of litter
Speaker 4: that you clip onto the lip of the toilet, and
Speaker 4: they they that's how you train a cat to piss
Speaker 4: in a toilet and shit in a toilet and it's
Speaker 4: like a real thing that happens. But man, at the
Speaker 4: amount of patience and time it would take to get
Speaker 4: him to do it, even without the litter, that is
Speaker 4: fucking insane. So the fact that you even saw your
Speaker 4: cat do this one time is impressive. Bro, Holyes, you
Speaker 4: just got to get a Robert de Niro to train
Speaker 4: that cat. Broll. I'm saying, he's got his own jinxy
Speaker 4: cat dog.
Speaker 22: Yeah, Bro, I can take him to like any hotel.
Speaker 17: You know.
Speaker 22: We've been across the country and just let him out
Speaker 22: the front door.
Speaker 10: Like when we were at bro Grove.
Speaker 22: I let him out the front door, and I have
Speaker 22: no idea how, but he ended up going around behind
Speaker 22: the building, popping over the balcony and finding my hotel door.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, and you brought your cat with you to to
Speaker 4: bro Grove.
Speaker 22: Bro, we drove from Austen to Virginia, all the way
Speaker 22: down to there, and then all the way down to
Speaker 22: Miami after that.
Speaker 4: Nice, he's been on a plane. Yeah, that's legit, dude.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, Jacob, why boy Wizard says altered carbon thing.
Speaker 4: That might have been a reference to a conversation they
Speaker 4: were having in the chat earlier. I'm not a hundred person.
Speaker 4: Oh that's as far as like Ai and stuff. I
Speaker 4: tried watching it. Oh, by the way, Nick, yesterday I
Speaker 4: started watching his Dark Materials. I'm on episode four right now, finally.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an HBO show where they talk about demons
Speaker 6: in the traditional sense of like Damon's. Okay, it's pretty cool,
Speaker 6: which is basically like just like their their pets or
Speaker 6: their animals, but it's like also their spirit guide in
Speaker 6: a sense.
Speaker 4: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You know who it is?
Speaker 4: I dude.
Speaker 6: They got a lot of famous actors in that show.
Speaker 6: The Little Girl that was Logan the spinoff. If you
Speaker 6: ever seen Logan, which is Wolf's old man Logan, she
Speaker 6: was the little the Little Woven Girl and what's his
Speaker 6: name from Split Fucking Professor X? Yeah, yeah, the younger
Speaker 6: the Younger Professor X. I can never remember his name.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be like that back of boy, what's yeah?
Speaker 4: James McAboy, Yeah, yeah, yeah, who's the dude?
Speaker 5: The dates? The thirty year olds less than thirty Leah
Speaker 5: yeah real leoh yeah, you're gonna be like that the
Speaker 5: meme where he's like pointing at ship throughout the rest
Speaker 5: of the show.
Speaker 3: I swear, I love how.
Speaker 4: I always knew who you were talking about as soon
Speaker 4: as you mentioned that. There's like a handful of actors
Speaker 4: that could have been, but all of us inherently knew
Speaker 4: you meant le.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I knew that you would know. So that's what I
Speaker 5: was like, I did that.
Speaker 4: This is this is all I got that could be.
Speaker 3: But somehow I knew you meant you boy.
Speaker 4: But you know, Tom Cruise just he dumps them whenever
Speaker 4: they turned thirty three.
Speaker 3: I thought it was twenty seven.
Speaker 6: No, it's thirty three. Remember like we we tied that
Speaker 6: all together where he dated like three different girls. As
Speaker 6: soon as they got to thirty three, he done.
Speaker 5: All of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 3: It's right, or.
Speaker 4: Divorce them or whatever. Joe said. You guys should read
Speaker 4: about Lawrence Anthony.
Speaker 14: Read earlier conservation.
Speaker 6: Oh you already read that part, okay. Yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: a little behind. Okay, I see where we're at now.
Speaker 6: God is Love said the point of Marvel movies is
Speaker 6: blasphemy against God. Hence every hero declaring I am among
Speaker 6: a thousand other examples, and Doctor Strange was literally based
Speaker 6: one hundred percent on Crowley. Oh yeah, dude, yeah, especially
Speaker 6: the the what was that the Multiverse of Madness? Great movie,
Speaker 6: but yeah, that's where he gets like the really terrible
Speaker 6: third Eye AI looking shit bad movies.
Speaker 4: The point of Marvel movies is blasphemy against God. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say that I disagree with you. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: have to look at each individual character and like go
Speaker 4: deeper on that one. But okay, blasphemy against Christian God, right, right?
Speaker 22: Uh, I would really be interesting to see, uh, you
Speaker 22: know Jonathan's breakdown of that Good Fight Ministry series on
Speaker 22: you know, it's called Marvel's War on God. And also
Speaker 22: there was two versions of previous versions of Doctor Strange,
Speaker 22: and the original one was like literally, you know, looked
Speaker 22: exactly like Crowley, like ball guy smoked the pipe like
Speaker 22: same similar story.
Speaker 5: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: That's why you love Marvel movies so much. You blasphemer
Speaker 4: I Satan.
Speaker 10: This is an anagram for Ashton.
Speaker 6: Oh hey, all right, smoke meth in hell Satan, you
Speaker 6: know that whole thing. Yeah, I mean I'm interested in
Speaker 6: all that symbolism. Shit though, Like if you see what
Speaker 6: was it, Chris Pratt, He's like he's He's star Lord
Speaker 6: and he is in love with Gomorrah for example, like
Speaker 6: say less already.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, I still do like Cosprat though I
Speaker 4: know that people shit on him for being a fake Christian.
Speaker 4: Uh And a lot of interviews that I've seen with him,
Speaker 4: in a lot of videos where he talks about his faith,
Speaker 4: he seems genuine. But you know, I understand people having
Speaker 4: an opinion. I get it. I mean, Joe Biden's a
Speaker 4: Catholic allegedly. I okay, I know tons of Catholics that
Speaker 4: are crazy as fuck. I know a lot of Protestants
Speaker 4: that are crazy as fuck. I should mention that as well.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I'm just saying even the pedophiles can choose
Speaker 4: a religion.
Speaker 3: Very true, very true.
Speaker 4: Where are we? Spirit? Animals said? In the beginning was
Speaker 4: the word? And the word was with him? And the
Speaker 4: word was was him? John one one? Yep, God his
Speaker 4: love said.
Speaker 6: Shroud of turn pretty conclusively proves Jesus with supernatural aka
Speaker 6: God in the flesh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, speaking of the Shroud of torn, we don't have
Speaker 4: to spend too much time on this. But did you
Speaker 4: see recently that some genius tried debunking it by saying
Speaker 4: that it wasn't actually a death stroud that it was
Speaker 4: because he like took AI. Again, I'm not trying to
Speaker 4: shit on AI here, but this guy used AI to
Speaker 4: basically recreate what the body that would have made that
Speaker 4: shape inside of this cloth stretched out and all this
Speaker 4: would have looked like. And he said that it couldn't
Speaker 4: have been wrapped around a body. It had to have
Speaker 4: been wrapped around a basically an etching on top of
Speaker 4: a piece of rock, and that's the only way I
Speaker 4: could have made this shape. And then you had this
Speaker 4: whole team of scientists who I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 4: these were religious people or they weren't coming at it
Speaker 4: from a religious sense. They were just trying to break
Speaker 4: down his study and try to show, like, hold on,
Speaker 4: is there any validity to this? And they fucking trounced
Speaker 4: this guy within an inch of his fucking life. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, people were willing to go to crazy lengths.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, but yeah, I mean I actually will buck
Speaker 4: up against that for a second.
Speaker 6: The shout of term pretty conclusively proves that Jesus was supernatural.
Speaker 6: I'll agree with that God in the flesh.
Speaker 4: I darn't know. I'm with you about that one. I
Speaker 4: personally believe so, but I understand why you wouldn't think so.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that in a disparaging way. I'm
Speaker 4: saying that at that point, that's where the faith comes in,
Speaker 4: and I respect that you and I share different faith.
Speaker 4: Right look at us we're growing up, Jacob, look at
Speaker 4: us being grown as fucking adults or some gay shit.
Speaker 6: I I just and there's multiple different things that could
Speaker 6: be happening right there. So it could be maybe it's
Speaker 6: some kind of technology that was lost to the sands
Speaker 6: of time.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of like ancient tools and ancient things
Speaker 4: that people did way back when that we, you know,
Speaker 4: just don't know how to do anymore. There.
Speaker 6: I think that I personally believe that people were a
Speaker 6: lot fucking smarter back then than we are now, and
Speaker 6: just person simly.
Speaker 3: Different types of smart.
Speaker 4: Right, Like there's a both shorts and street smarts, and
Speaker 4: that's different than common sense, and that's different than old
Speaker 4: school farmhand knowledge, and like there's.
Speaker 3: Levels to this.
Speaker 4: I feel like they were able to maximize what a
Speaker 4: human was able to.
Speaker 6: Do consciously spiritually, I'll say that whereas we're not, you know,
Speaker 6: it's kind of forgotten kind of shit. But also, I mean,
Speaker 6: it could just be a It could be an.
Speaker 4: Actual technology, could be a spiritual quote unquote technology. It
Speaker 4: could be one of the oh what do they call
Speaker 4: the I don't know, like something that is supernatural power
Speaker 4: that you get on your way to enlightenment. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know. Samadi Mdi Samadi, something like that.
Speaker 4: I think city, Yeah, city, that's what it was. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: could be something like that.
Speaker 6: There's just and so that's why I say I'm not
Speaker 6: going to say that, Well, see that was him and
Speaker 6: this is he did this, So that means that he
Speaker 6: was got in the flesh.
Speaker 4: I think that there you have to you know, account
Speaker 4: the shroud doesn't prove it to me personally. He was
Speaker 4: God in the flesh, It was everything else in his life.
Speaker 4: The shroud just puts a direct time stamp on it.
Speaker 4: But again, you and I share different styles of faith.
Speaker 4: But moving on, Tony.
Speaker 6: Tony said Old Testament genocides would be considered wrong today,
Speaker 6: right spirit animals said no, because they were ordained by God.
Speaker 6: Tony said, yes, in my opinion, I agree with that.
Speaker 6: Spirit animals said, kill them all, God sort them out.
Speaker 6: But if God tells me to wipe out a bloodline,
Speaker 6: no questions God, God's will must be done. What if
Speaker 6: God told you to kill yourself, Sam, would you do that?
Speaker 8: Then that is not Lord, that would be the devil masquerading.
Speaker 7: Good answer, because God said, because that would be a
Speaker 7: sin you you have did you have killed yourself when
Speaker 7: you are a creation of the Lord. But and he
Speaker 7: expressly said, like you can take Judas, he committed suicide
Speaker 7: and he was cursed there go, do not commit a suicide.
Speaker 4: That's mentioned even before Judas, they mentioned that suicide is
Speaker 4: not a good thing to do. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: even think that's necessarily an inherently Christian thing.
Speaker 7: Even the demons that Jesus cast out and throw into
Speaker 7: the pigs, the pigs committed suicide because they rather die
Speaker 7: than be possessed by this what to be possessed and
Speaker 7: pigs are like a very.
Speaker 8: Taboo thing in both Islam and Judaism.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but suicide inherently is not or let me let
Speaker 4: me word this correctly. Having anti suicide sentiments being taught
Speaker 4: is not inherently a Christian thing, but also suicide itself.
Speaker 4: I mean, even ancient Rome, they would a lot of
Speaker 4: people committed suicide and they thought that that was the
Speaker 4: correct way to go. They would throw a big ass party,
Speaker 4: then they would go and run them a hot bath
Speaker 4: and split their wrists and that'd be they them going
Speaker 4: out on their terms.
Speaker 3: And you can look at Japan committing suicide.
Speaker 4: Not just suppuku, but even like uh, they had a
Speaker 4: different they had a different relationship with death as a whole.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. But that being said, it's
Speaker 4: not that Christianity or even Judaism were the first people
Speaker 4: to say, hey, wait a minute, killing yourself is probably
Speaker 4: a bad idea. That's one of those things that depending
Speaker 4: on the culture to which you lived, some people saw
Speaker 4: it as an inherently good thing, some people saw it
Speaker 4: as an inherently bad thing. Some people saw it as
Speaker 4: a very much neutral things. That's one of those weird
Speaker 4: ones in the span of history and culture.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think that it helps anybody by telling them
Speaker 4: that they're going to be condemned to hell if they
Speaker 4: commit suicide, because personally if the people are going to
Speaker 4: commit suicide, they're not going to be like, oh wait,
Speaker 4: I go to hell if I do this. Let me
Speaker 4: not do this. I don't even think that that would
Speaker 4: be something that would cross into somebody's mind.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, you'd be surprised, you think so, you would be surprised.
Speaker 4: Yeah, interesting, Nick, Go ahead, sir, A.
Speaker 5: Couple things on that. So you mentioned the if God
Speaker 5: told you to kill yourself, would you do it? What
Speaker 5: is I guess if God tells you to kill your kid?
Speaker 5: Is that the only answer to that is that that
Speaker 5: wouldn't happen nowadays anymore? Is that the only like, no
Speaker 5: reason or like is that something that somebody would still do?
Speaker 23: Uh?
Speaker 4: There are people that are like insane that kill their
Speaker 4: whole household and say that God told them to do it.
Speaker 4: And I would say that that is inherently not God
Speaker 4: that told them to do that. The only example in
Speaker 4: the Bible where that was talked about time that one time.
Speaker 3: And there's a reason for that.
Speaker 4: If you take just the story itself, that seems crazy
Speaker 4: as fuck. When you take in the context of the time, place,
Speaker 4: and day and age of all of what was going
Speaker 4: on in that area, it was a test of faith
Speaker 4: and not of just like, oh well, if you really
Speaker 4: believe in me, kill your kid.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a lot more depth and levels to that.
Speaker 5: I do want to expand on that just a little bit.
Speaker 5: I've been trying to find a way to bring up
Speaker 5: this specific conversation to you. Actually, and is it what
Speaker 5: I'm going to cherry pick just two things real quick,
Speaker 5: and it's two things that I did disagree with, one
Speaker 5: thing I agree with, one thing I disagree with, and
Speaker 5: I'm going to use the one of them to try
Speaker 5: to prove my point. Is that something that's allowed in
Speaker 5: an argument for the sake of argument, go for Okay,
Speaker 5: so my my I'm at faith without works is dead
Speaker 5: kind of guy. Sure, your your works justify you demonstrate
Speaker 5: you know your faith by your works, and you can't
Speaker 5: do one without the other. Essentially, that's where I'm at.
Speaker 5: That's not traditionally, that is what like most traditional Christians know,
Speaker 5: that doesn't matter. Paul says, Essentially, your your good works
Speaker 5: are That's what it's about. It's a your good works
Speaker 5: are filthy rags in the eyes of God because faith
Speaker 5: alone is what matters. Essentially, your faith in Jesus, that
Speaker 5: he yet he died for your sins and rosel third day,
Speaker 5: all that stuff like. Essentially, that's what Paul taught is
Speaker 5: that that's all that matters more than anything. Your good
Speaker 5: works don't matter. Your faith matters the most. But there's
Speaker 5: a verse where the Abraham's story is used to describe
Speaker 5: how that's not true, and that Abraham was justified because
Speaker 5: of the action that he took to demonstrate his faith
Speaker 5: to God, because just saying it wasn't good enough, and
Speaker 5: the action was used to show that he was devoted.
Speaker 5: Do you see how those two things are contradicting in
Speaker 5: that way.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 4: So let's break this down. We are talking about Old
Speaker 4: Testament versus New Testament. As far as that goes. The
Speaker 4: story of Abraham is oldest of Old Testament. We're talking
Speaker 4: about the apostle Paul, that's who wrote the majority of
Speaker 4: the New Testament. So there was a different mindset that
Speaker 4: went into this same God. Different mindset. But for your argument,
Speaker 4: let's break this down. Okay, faith alone will save your soul, yes,
Speaker 4: but you're also going to be tested or excuse me,
Speaker 4: judged upon the spiritual fruit that you bore while you
Speaker 4: were on this earth. If you have the let me
Speaker 4: try to find an example that would transfer to this.
Speaker 4: If you are the guy who is trying to you
Speaker 4: find the good word, you sanctify yourself and you believe
Speaker 4: wholeheartedly in the Bible and in the blood of Jesus
Speaker 4: Christ and all these things, and you just kind of
Speaker 4: keep that to yourself, right, and you do nothing with
Speaker 4: that information except apply it to your life, which is great, awesome.
Speaker 4: You don't act upon it. You don't change who you
Speaker 4: are as a person with this new life that you
Speaker 4: were just given. You don't inherently try to spread the
Speaker 4: good word. You don't try to give any to the community.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean money or time necessarily it depends
Speaker 4: person to person. Then I would say that, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: you have faith, but no works, right. And that's why
Speaker 4: I always say you got to test the spirit and
Speaker 4: test the fruit, because you can have faith all day,
Speaker 4: but what are you doing with that faith?
Speaker 3: I believe you're going to be judged on both of those.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Inherently, you can't just test the fruit either, because I
Speaker 4: know a lot of people who do great charity work,
Speaker 4: but they also are not spiritually sound right. They might
Speaker 4: be like they might be seen as a good person
Speaker 4: to society, but that doesn't mean that they're a good
Speaker 4: person in their personal private life. I'm talking about that
Speaker 4: deeper than deep, just them dealing with themselves person right.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that I'm here to cast judgment
Speaker 4: on anybody, because I'll be the first to tell you
Speaker 4: that I'm probably one of the biggest pieces of shit
Speaker 4: you ever met. But I'm doing everything that I can
Speaker 4: to make myself better today than I was yesterday. Right,
Speaker 4: And it's not just a selfish thing. When you get
Speaker 4: the gift of salvation, you are supposed to act accordingly.
Speaker 4: You are supposed to live accordingly. You are supposed to
Speaker 4: change the bad things about yourself and try to be better.
Speaker 4: And that's how that goes. Now, the works without faith,
Speaker 4: he was specifically for the audience.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: You always got to look at the time, the place,
Speaker 4: and the audience when reading sections of the Bible. Was
Speaker 4: he talking to a group of people that thought they
Speaker 4: were also sanctified, even though in private they were pieces
Speaker 4: of shit?
Speaker 3: And he was saying, yeah, you have works all day,
Speaker 3: but your faith is dead.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: Then you look at the story of Abraham right, and
Speaker 4: he had faith for days God was testing his faith,
Speaker 4: and there was context to that, and I'll give a
Speaker 4: brief context of it. The neighboring tribes to Abraham at
Speaker 4: that time were all about sacrificing your firstborn child to
Speaker 4: their deities. Some of it was moleq, some of it
Speaker 4: was oh what was that not Manicheism that came around
Speaker 4: after Jesus.
Speaker 3: Fuck, I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of these different pagan tribes that
Speaker 4: they were about sacrificing their kid. Yeah, Baa was one
Speaker 4: of them as well, for sure. But he was basically saying,
Speaker 4: all of your neighbors are willing to do this thing
Speaker 4: for their gods. Their statues that have eyes but see not,
Speaker 4: have ears but hear not. It's literally a figurine that
Speaker 4: they made with a character arc and they're willing to
Speaker 4: kill their own kid for the statue. Are you even
Speaker 4: willing to match their faith level? They have that much
Speaker 4: faith in this statue that if they killed their kid,
Speaker 4: they're gonna have a great harvest. You know who I am.
Speaker 4: You were there and have witnessed all that I've done
Speaker 4: for you personally. Are you even willing to match their
Speaker 4: contribution or is your faith less than your pagan neighbor.
Speaker 4: Then when God saw that his faith was to that realm,
Speaker 4: he stopped him because he didn't want him to kill
Speaker 4: his son that he had waited ninety fucking years to have.
Speaker 4: So again, time, place, and context matter as far as
Speaker 4: those are concerned. Faith alone might get you in, but
Speaker 4: you're also gonna be judged accordingly. Right, And that's how
Speaker 4: it's like the deathbed confessionals. Right, Let's say that you
Speaker 4: live a shitbag life your entire life, and then somehow,
Speaker 4: on your deathbed you actually see the light, not just
Speaker 4: pray the prayers that you get in by the skin
Speaker 4: of your teeth, you actually truly have a change of
Speaker 4: heart and become a real believer.
Speaker 17: Right.
Speaker 4: Does that mean that you're not going to be judged
Speaker 4: based off of everything you did in your life up
Speaker 4: until that point. I believe you will. Now does that
Speaker 4: mean that even though you got saved at this deathbed
Speaker 4: confessional kind of conversation, that you're gonna not make it
Speaker 4: to heaven.
Speaker 3: I can't make that judgment call.
Speaker 4: I think that God is the only one that can
Speaker 4: weigh in there to speak and say if that is
Speaker 4: or is not going to qualify. But per my belief,
Speaker 4: I believe that once you become a part of the family,
Speaker 4: you get adopted into that bloodline. You can't be unadopted. Now,
Speaker 4: how do you test the measure of somebody's faith. That's
Speaker 4: where it comes into. Well, God knows my heart. I
Speaker 4: don't know your heart. I don't know his heart. I
Speaker 4: don't know her heart. But God knows all of these hearts,
Speaker 4: and He's going to be the one to make the
Speaker 4: final judgment.
Speaker 5: Then what would be the point of needing to demonstrate
Speaker 5: your faith by your willingness to sacrifice your child.
Speaker 4: If God knows your heart already, because it was a
Speaker 4: test of faith for that moment, for that time. We
Speaker 4: don't live in the time and age where we have
Speaker 4: our pagan neighbors from two neighborhoods over doing a big
Speaker 4: mass alter sacrifice of every firstborn in the neighborhood.
Speaker 5: Yes, I get it, it just it just seems like
Speaker 5: unnecessary and a little wrong then and wrong now. That one,
Speaker 5: just that's the one I get hung up on the most.
Speaker 5: But think your your breakdown is amazing, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: I appreciate the question, brother, and I agree that that
Speaker 3: was really fucked up.
Speaker 4: For the record, like I'm not saying, well, you know
Speaker 4: it's good because no, no, no, look I get it, Like, Yo,
Speaker 4: you literally had your boy, your chosen guy, convinced that
Speaker 4: he was about to like sacrifice his child. That's fucked up. Like,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sidestep that. However, God's
Speaker 4: the one that told him to do it, and He's
Speaker 4: got more plans in play than what my human brain
Speaker 4: can PSU.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that there's levels to that as well.
Speaker 4: For sure.
Speaker 7: Example too well, the about the child sacrifice and everything
Speaker 7: about why God would say that you have to I
Speaker 7: agree with your contact. The canon I they was they
Speaker 7: would sacrifice their children to onto a molarch. They would
Speaker 7: which they would have a big e rectifying statue with
Speaker 7: his hands uh oversetting upon the blazers.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: The Canites would beat their drums, they would hoop, they
Speaker 7: had hard, they would chant and they would dance and
Speaker 7: they and they would toss their their babies onto the
Speaker 7: scouting hot fire like the hands that while they're scouting heart.
Speaker 7: And they believe that the they did that because they
Speaker 7: believe that that the the highed the the infant would
Speaker 7: scream and everything. The more pleasant it was to Moloch,
Speaker 7: but they are there was also the bard, and bulls
Speaker 7: are associated with either molocha bell. It's yeah, Moloch because
Speaker 7: they have him like looking like the Minotau the half
Speaker 7: man half bull. But they would put people in that
Speaker 7: in light a fire under it, the bazing bull. So
Speaker 7: it's funny how human sacrifices there. Typically there's bull affinity
Speaker 7: to it.
Speaker 4: The only example I know of of the it was
Speaker 4: called the roaring bull where it's actually used. Now, they
Speaker 4: had other versions of that, like you know, cooking people
Speaker 4: alive in a pot and things like that, but the
Speaker 4: only example I know of of the roaring bull, the
Speaker 4: dude invented it and created it to where you could
Speaker 4: throw a you know, a person inside for it would
Speaker 4: torture or whatever, and his screams would actually come and
Speaker 4: like it was built in such a way to where
Speaker 4: it was piped in through the nose to where it
Speaker 4: sounded like the bull was roaring. I once say he
Speaker 4: did it for Rome for the Caesar. The Caesar was
Speaker 4: so disgusted that this guy even existed that it was
Speaker 4: only used one time, literally against its creator. Now I
Speaker 4: don't know that for a fact, but that that's also
Speaker 4: just kind of weird poetic justice. But yeah, now, but
Speaker 4: that's that's what I'm saying. It wasn't just to Molok.
Speaker 4: There was other tribes that were sacrificing their children of
Speaker 4: these deities too. I mean, how the Egyptians did it
Speaker 4: in a certain context and for a certain purpose. Across
Speaker 4: the across the Atlantic Ocean, the Aztecs were all about
Speaker 4: sacrificing kids and them even their own kids for their gods.
Speaker 4: They're they're not mistaken their rain god. Uh, they did
Speaker 4: something very similar, and they believe that the more that
Speaker 4: their child screamed, it was usually the firstborn of the
Speaker 4: high priest would be sacrificed to bring the reins. And
Speaker 4: they believe that the more the child screamed, the more
Speaker 4: it would rain. And so it was.
Speaker 3: But that's that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like, objectively, we would say that that's fucking disgusting and horrible,
Speaker 4: but these people felt righteous and good and this is
Speaker 4: the correct thing that we should do. Why why wouldn't
Speaker 4: you do that to bring the rains? Are you crazy?
Speaker 4: Of course we should do this, that's the that's the
Speaker 4: correct thing.
Speaker 20: To do.
Speaker 3: It's objective versus subjective morality.
Speaker 7: And you also have over in crete Minos, which was
Speaker 7: a wyal king which they actually found the labyrinth that
Speaker 7: he alleged his steps on because his wife fell in
Speaker 7: love with the bull that he was supposed to sacrifice
Speaker 7: to silence, and he did, and he he sacrificed lestible.
Speaker 8: So Persan made the creete's wife fall in love with
Speaker 8: the bull.
Speaker 4: She had their.
Speaker 7: Blacksmith build a contraption. She got into the ball, made
Speaker 7: it with the bull, gave birth to the minotaur. Well,
Speaker 7: that he would have like his subjects, like like over
Speaker 7: his kingdom and or whatever. I know it's from Athens,
Speaker 7: send him tributes of their children to be sacrificed to
Speaker 7: his steps.
Speaker 4: On, which is also crazy. To the labyrinth that you're
Speaker 4: talking about. They found it and they got to the
Speaker 4: end of it.
Speaker 3: It's pretty sick like.
Speaker 4: Honestly, it gives more credence to the myth and the
Speaker 4: legend behind it because when you get to the end
Speaker 4: of the labyrinth, there was at least what they found
Speaker 4: was a painting of.
Speaker 3: A minotaur on the wall, which is sick.
Speaker 4: Was there a real minotaur there at one point well
Speaker 4: that's what the legend says. Was it just a pictograham
Speaker 4: to kind of tell more of a story, Like it's
Speaker 4: it's fascinating to look at history in that in that lens.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's I kind of like.
Speaker 7: And also Zeus he was raised in a cave and
Speaker 7: it's kind of Uh, then you have his kids, the twins,
Speaker 7: Automous and Apollo, the Sun and the moon god after
Speaker 7: the Titans of Helios, and I can't remember the moon,
Speaker 7: but there my mother was uh, exiled to a floating island,
Speaker 7: just like how you have a calypso on ogiya. Then
Speaker 7: it's just fascinating how all that stuff there is well
Speaker 7: we today we look at and that's just mythology. But
Speaker 7: it was true to them and how it's just fascinating
Speaker 7: because you can see why they would believe it, and
Speaker 7: it to a certain state.
Speaker 8: A lot of it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, yeah, no doubt all right now, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: was just just looking it up.
Speaker 6: That would be Moloch, I believe, is what they said
Speaker 6: that uh the bull was ever at Mount Sinai, the
Speaker 6: Golden Calf.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, let's see, Tony said, God told me to
Speaker 4: kill a whole tribe. Trust me, bro, I understand. I
Speaker 4: understand why people would have an issue with that, and
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that they're wrong to take issue with that. Again,
Speaker 4: we were talking about the Old Testament where we were
Speaker 4: not living in the Age of Grace. So there's there's more.
Speaker 4: There's more levels to it than what we see at
Speaker 4: surface level for sure. All Right, I want to get
Speaker 4: past a lot of this religious stuff because.
Speaker 3: Good they got after it in the chattle on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah they did. Oh my god, God, darkness or e yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: with you?
Speaker 5: With you?
Speaker 20: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Spirit animals said since last live, I have smoked forty
Speaker 6: two blunts, didn't Didn't you just say that you were
Speaker 6: going to be giving up for like months or something
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 3: Yo, how's your kidney doing?
Speaker 10: Oh?
Speaker 4: He was giving up sex for months, not smoking weed?
Speaker 21: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Also, how is that going for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Day you on.
Speaker 4: A day to day? But did you did you lay
Speaker 4: that pipe? Or was it just a g rated friendly outing?
Speaker 4: But yeah, she touched my winger and that's all that meant.
Speaker 4: I kissed.
Speaker 20: But I'm not not gonna tell you true gentlemen, I
Speaker 20: got this is awful the week it's uh.
Speaker 8: Anyway, I count up it, double it and you get
Speaker 8: forty four blunts.
Speaker 4: Or nobody does it like you, Sam, You and Snoop
Speaker 4: Dogg are up there just doing the most.
Speaker 20: You know. Actually, my my, my, my life goals. I
Speaker 20: want to be able to smoke one blunt with Snoop
Speaker 20: Dogg dy Nelson. If I can do that in my lifetime,
Speaker 20: I will have.
Speaker 3: You might want to get a hurry on a dude, William.
Speaker 8: I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I'm left, I'm trying. I'm trying.
Speaker 20: I'm thinking about putting it out on Twitter on the
Speaker 20: mysteries shout out. Yeah, let's see if maybe I can
Speaker 20: get enough shoutouts on that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, fuck yeah, let's see, Ashton said, synchronicity optimist
Speaker 4: versus coincidental denialism.
Speaker 6: I've got the optimist. I'm I've always been kind of
Speaker 6: more of an optimist anyway. Like some people, dude, are
Speaker 6: just they just have a fucking dark cloud over their
Speaker 6: head all day.
Speaker 4: They're like, like, I'm a realist. It's like, no, you're not.
Speaker 4: That's not even like, don't even call yourself a realist.
Speaker 4: You look at everything negatively. That's called a negative nancy
Speaker 4: is what that's called. But you would also be a
Speaker 4: coincidental denial. Denialist, I should say, you don't believe in
Speaker 4: coincidence at all. I believe that there are some things
Speaker 4: that are coincidental.
Speaker 5: So how.
Speaker 4: I don't look at Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't believe in coincidences at all because I believe
Speaker 6: that we live inside of a matrix or a simulation
Speaker 6: or a dream or something along those lines. And therefore,
Speaker 6: if it is perfectly algorithmically created.
Speaker 4: In that sense, then there is no room for a coincidence.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that would allow a level of
Speaker 4: random to this. I'm not saying that all of it
Speaker 4: is random. I'm saying there is a little bit of
Speaker 4: it at play as well. I think that's where the
Speaker 4: free will conversation enters in.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Michayla said, ooh, Packers. You know, I was a huge
Speaker 6: Packers fan, like as a kid, Like I literally I
Speaker 6: named my son Brett Okay.
Speaker 4: After Brett Fafrat, the actual goat.
Speaker 19: So Bears.
Speaker 2: Oh, come the fuck on, Yeah, I'm home team.
Speaker 8: I can't.
Speaker 21: I know they suck, but home team.
Speaker 6: So oh they're getting better though. They they should be
Speaker 6: pretty good this year. I mean as long as Caleb, Like,
Speaker 6: I think, I think y'all fucked up big time whenever
Speaker 6: you got rid of Justin Fields and drafted Caleb. I
Speaker 6: thought we fucked up by letting him go the Steelers did.
Speaker 4: I don't know why we let.
Speaker 14: Him, right, Yeah, I think you're a Steelers fan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, why Yeah, I grew up around Pittsburgh. But
Speaker 6: but like as a child, you know, I was. I
Speaker 6: was fans of both of them, really, but yeah, we
Speaker 6: had Justin Fields until Russell Wilson got fucking healthy and
Speaker 6: we decided to start Russell Wilson over Justin Fields, which
Speaker 6: made no damn sense to me because we still lost anyway,
Speaker 6: lost either way. Yeah, yeah, combat, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 6: go football is pretty Football is pretty combative.
Speaker 2: You know, sir, watched it since I was a kid.
Speaker 21: So it's just blue pill, you know.
Speaker 3: No, No, I get it.
Speaker 4: I'm not shipping on it by any means. I appreciate
Speaker 4: the contact sports out there. I just prefer combat sports,
Speaker 4: different strokes, different folks. I've gotten into it. I've gotten
Speaker 4: into a fight on a football field.
Speaker 3: Bro yeah, and probably got ejected from the game afterwards.
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, in hockey, you get in a fist fight and
Speaker 4: you just get a couple of minutes in the penony box.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying here, there's levels to Actually,
Speaker 4: so I was playing back.
Speaker 6: Whenever I was playing semipro, my dad was the you know,
Speaker 6: he was the head coach of the team, and uh
Speaker 6: so I got into a fight on the football field,
Speaker 6: and so the referees were like looking.
Speaker 4: For what number was that on your team?
Speaker 5: Who was it?
Speaker 4: You know what, what what number was it?
Speaker 5: The guy?
Speaker 4: So so we can throw him out? And my dad
Speaker 4: was like, oh, he was number fIF here's your bench warmer.
Speaker 4: We don't even have a fifty seven. And so the
Speaker 4: reference it was like fifty seven's out of here, and
Speaker 4: it's hilarious. Good times. Yeah, I do misplaying though that'll
Speaker 4: probably never happen again. Though.
Speaker 6: I actually, you know, my son, you know, he's only
Speaker 6: he's about to be three. But by the time he
Speaker 6: turns five, I think is whenever he can start playing.
Speaker 4: Football, I will. I will be his coach and I
Speaker 4: will coach him all the way.
Speaker 21: I'm so scared to have my boys play football, just
Speaker 21: the dangers. Like as big of a football fan as
Speaker 21: I am, like the mom and me.
Speaker 4: Is like, oh come on, football has gotten so soft
Speaker 4: in the last decade, your boys are.
Speaker 6: Gonna be true well, and also the the protective that like,
Speaker 6: they've gotten way better with the helmets and stuff like
Speaker 6: that now too.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, And the injuries are gonna happen. But
Speaker 4: I mean, you any sport that they play, fucking golf,
Speaker 4: they have a chance of getting fucking peelaid by a slice,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 21: Like parkour my toddlers who around the house, Like, I'm
Speaker 21: sure football will be safer than half the stuff they
Speaker 21: do now, so.
Speaker 6: Fair, fair, I mean, hey, happy Happy Gilmore's wife got
Speaker 6: taken out by a golf ball.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, I haven't seen the second Happy Gilmore yet.
Speaker 4: It's so good, dude. I want to. I want to,
Speaker 4: And I'm not even saying that because I don't like
Speaker 4: Adam Sandler, just for the nostalgia. I would like to
Speaker 4: see it to see if they destroyed the franchise or
Speaker 4: if they did it justice. You know, I think you
Speaker 4: would enjoy it.
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of people talking shit on it,
Speaker 6: as as there always will be with any Adam Sandler movie,
Speaker 6: and it wasn't.
Speaker 4: I wanted to see Joe Dirt too, to see if
Speaker 4: they did it justice or if they did it dirty.
Speaker 4: They did it so fucking dirty. It was so trash.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's not.
Speaker 6: I mean, you might not like the direction that they
Speaker 6: took it, but there it had due. There were so
Speaker 6: many hilarious parts of that movie. It's it's great.
Speaker 4: Spirit Animal. You've seen Happy Gilmore too, yet I did.
Speaker 8: Do you know who plays Gordy?
Speaker 4: It's m J F. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 4: the movie that JF. He's a wrestler.
Speaker 8: He was like for a while, like the top heel
Speaker 8: in a w He's a bit of a fucking quick Yeah.
Speaker 4: He if he could suck his own deck, he would,
Speaker 4: I mean, to be fair, I feel like that stands
Speaker 4: the reason for most of the male population, Like let's
Speaker 4: just be real.
Speaker 8: Oh, I would say I'd put him out of it.
Speaker 20: Like personality, he'd be a he'd be like Judas and
Speaker 20: that type of like you just want to punch me
Speaker 20: in his fucking face. He's like Logan Paul on steroids
Speaker 20: of being a douche ewa.
Speaker 8: He's a fantastic question. I respect his craft and I
Speaker 8: respect his gimmick, but that that's just his gimmick.
Speaker 4: So is is sucking.
Speaker 6: If you could suck your own dick, would you be gay?
Speaker 6: I feel like that's a great philosophical question.
Speaker 4: Okay, you it's.
Speaker 3: You jack yourself off. Dude, you're giving a hand job.
Speaker 3: It's pretty fucking gay.
Speaker 4: That's what I Yeah, that's what I feel. It's like,
Speaker 4: I mean, if you can give give yourself a handy,
Speaker 4: give yourself a blowing.
Speaker 3: Now here's a philosophical mind bender for you.
Speaker 4: If you could hypothetically clone yourself and you happen to
Speaker 4: have sex with yourself, would that be gay? Or would
Speaker 4: that be masturbation?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, are you jerking your clone off? You mean, it's
Speaker 4: it's you. You would be jerking you off hmmm, or
Speaker 4: sucking you off or to whatever. So it'd literally be
Speaker 4: you to yourself. So is that masturbation or is it gay?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I have to put that in the gay realm because
Speaker 4: it's another individual.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: But but wouldn't that be the same conversation as you
Speaker 4: jacking off, as you giving a hand job to yourself? Okay,
Speaker 4: but what I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying, Yeah, it's different though, because if you go and
Speaker 6: blow a clone, are you feeling pleasure from that?
Speaker 4: Or are you not?
Speaker 3: You're not you in the clone. It's you, it's you
Speaker 3: and you.
Speaker 4: So technically, to answer your question, you are feeling pleasure
Speaker 4: from you strictly in the realm of hypotheticals. Just we're
Speaker 4: all clear here. I don't think that's how that works.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's. Yes, your clone would be feeling
Speaker 4: the fillatio, and yes, your lips you know that's that's
Speaker 4: suggesting that you would be the one giving your clone head.
Speaker 4: If you are giving your clone head, you're not feeling
Speaker 4: your own lips on your genitals. Therefore, you are feeling
Speaker 4: your lips on your You see what I'm saying. Strictly philosophical,
Speaker 4: its fucking weird. That's only in the way that you
Speaker 4: would write that would make it weird, but literally physically
Speaker 4: right there, like one, you're not feeling it. Therefore, it
Speaker 4: wouldn't be the same as if you were going to
Speaker 4: remove a couple of your ribs Marilyn Manson style and
Speaker 4: blow yourself. That's not the same thing. But then taking
Speaker 4: it back to the Marylynd Manson style, you sucking your
Speaker 4: own dick?
Speaker 3: Is that gay? You see what I mean?
Speaker 4: It's about that. I don't think so. I don't think
Speaker 4: so because I mean you're Are you getting attracted to yourself?
Speaker 4: Are you attracted to yourself whenever you jerk off? I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm sexy as fuck, So like, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4: Do you want an honest answer?
Speaker 5: Or up?
Speaker 4: My boy? Do you jerk off in the mirror? Don't
Speaker 4: you have you never caught yourself off guard the mirror
Speaker 4: stepping out of the shower, be like, oh god, damn,
Speaker 4: it's happening with you. Bruh, You've never had that with yourself.
Speaker 4: If not, then you need to fix yourself. My boy,
Speaker 4: I'm not I don't like to jerk off in the shower.
Speaker 4: The water is not the same.
Speaker 3: It's weird talking Jesus.
Speaker 4: Okay, I was trying to make a joke and you
Speaker 4: just brought that down back to reality.
Speaker 3: God damn it.
Speaker 6: Anyway, all right, Sam's about to have a fucking seat
Speaker 6: your over here. This is something that he has thought
Speaker 6: about for a long.
Speaker 4: Time and he wants to give his opinion. Let's hear it.
Speaker 8: Brush off, fuck you, But yeah, it's the highest form
Speaker 8: of narcissism.
Speaker 17: But you could take it back to the theological or
Speaker 17: essence of theseus ship and when he first started his journey,
Speaker 17: it was a ship, but along throughout the journey, from
Speaker 17: the time he left to the time he back, he
Speaker 17: had to replace them near the entire ship, and he
Speaker 17: had to replace every board, every nail, everything.
Speaker 19: So is that still theseus original ship or is that
Speaker 19: an entirely new ship. That that's the question. You could
Speaker 19: take it to that it's a your cloning you. You're
Speaker 19: still you, and that clone is you. You have the
Speaker 19: same DNA. Yes, it is masturbation, but you're either fuck.
Speaker 19: You're either fucking or you're getting for either way, it's
Speaker 19: still you. What as gay as fuck?
Speaker 4: That is the correct answer, by the way, sam, Yes,
Speaker 4: that's correct. Either way it goes you or you is
Speaker 4: sucking a dick, which is gay. So like, yeah, to
Speaker 4: answer the reality of it, yes, but for the philosophical
Speaker 4: thought process, it's like fuck, Okay, hold on, let's do
Speaker 4: the math on this.
Speaker 19: Also, fun fact, the art, it is art and I
Speaker 19: got it. I've actually read the Kama Sutra. Oh my
Speaker 19: dad got it for me for my thirteenth birthday.
Speaker 4: But it's actually colorful, people, Samuel, My dad gave.
Speaker 8: Cups without the spoon. My dad was training me and
Speaker 8: I didn't even know it.
Speaker 4: Oh Man, you gave me the pudding cup method.
Speaker 3: You gotta give him the peach method.
Speaker 9: But moving on, I once heard that it's only gay
Speaker 9: if you tell someone some about buddy, all right?
Speaker 5: Is that what it is?
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you just called yourself out on that.
Speaker 10: One math, but.
Speaker 4: That's all right, do you? I mean whatever I mean.
Speaker 6: It is a great philosophical question, and I believe that
Speaker 6: every has probably thought i'd probably give myself some pretty
Speaker 6: good head. You know what I mean, like only you
Speaker 6: know what you would like.
Speaker 3: No one's gonna love you like you.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying now, I will say it
Speaker 6: probably I would say that it goes to a gay sense.
Speaker 4: If you swallow, that's gay down. But again, are spinners quitters?
Speaker 4: Are you calling yourself a quitter? To you? I'll quit.
Speaker 6: I will quit, fucking I'll quit five pumps before I
Speaker 6: get there, Bro, I'm not even risking.
Speaker 4: He's got a long stroke edge yourself.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 3: Hey, look I get it.
Speaker 4: I respect the hustle and the commitment, but fuck I will.
Speaker 4: I will finish in another way, sir.
Speaker 3: I love our Tuesday night sit downs.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean? This is, This is just
Speaker 4: fucking ridiculous fucking blasphemy over here. So do do do
Speaker 4: dot bears?
Speaker 10: Oh god?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 6: Matthew Lane said, Saman went to Ken State. WHOA, Saban's
Speaker 6: the head coach of Kent State?
Speaker 8: Or is he?
Speaker 9: Like, let's say Saban went to Kent State the only
Speaker 9: year seventy two, right after the massacre, so it always.
Speaker 4: Intended Kent State. I thought, you mean he took his
Speaker 4: coaching abilities to Kent State. Now I'm by to say,
Speaker 4: what kind of fucking reality are we living in here?
Speaker 4: He played again?
Speaker 9: Lambert played there and they won the MAC. That's like
Speaker 9: the only year Kent State's ever won the MAC. And uh,
Speaker 9: after he went to Kent State, he ended up or
Speaker 9: they went in the MAC. He got his coaching career
Speaker 9: shortly after that because he didn't go to the NFL
Speaker 9: or anything like that. Then he ended up pulling the
Speaker 9: number one draft pick from Kent, Ohio. He was probably
Speaker 9: the biggest bust out of.
Speaker 4: Ever.
Speaker 14: He was supposed to be like the best lineman to
Speaker 14: ever come out of college football. I think he ended
Speaker 14: up playing for Purdue. I can't think of his name
Speaker 14: right now. There was a ESPN Sven was a lineman.
Speaker 14: No it's not Saban. Saban ended up picked because he
Speaker 14: went to Kent State.
Speaker 9: He was connected to Kent, Ohio, and our head coach
Speaker 9: at Kent, Roosevelt, picked up. Yeah, Jack Lambert's from the area,
Speaker 9: not of Manaway, Ohio, right down the road. But this
Speaker 9: Canadian kid who was built like a fucking shit brickhouse.
Speaker 9: He had never even played football before my coach met
Speaker 9: him recruited him. And then because my coach knew who
Speaker 9: Nick Saban was while he was at Michigan State, I
Speaker 9: think that's what it was. Nick Saban picked this guy up.
Speaker 9: He was obviously on steroids. He was the number one
Speaker 9: draft pick in the NFL. He was the biggest bust
Speaker 9: you've ever seen.
Speaker 14: He ended his career.
Speaker 9: He ended up playing like twelve seasons for the Indianapolis Colts,
Speaker 9: but he was so underwhelmingly good compared to what he
Speaker 9: was supposed to be.
Speaker 5: Like.
Speaker 9: This dude was an offensive lineman running like a four
Speaker 9: five forty. I can't think of his game right now.
Speaker 14: I'm so sorry, but if you look this guy up,
Speaker 14: he had a thirty for thirty.
Speaker 4: It's dude, let's.
Speaker 3: See Jack Lambert twelve.
Speaker 4: Holy shit, bro, Jack Lambert, Jack Lambert.
Speaker 6: They said that the Boogeyman used to be scared of
Speaker 6: Jack Lambert, like he was such a scary fucking individual.
Speaker 6: They said that he used to get so pissed and
Speaker 6: so mad to hype himself up before a football game.
Speaker 4: That he would go and just smash his fucking head
Speaker 4: on his locker. That's how he lost all his teeth. See,
Speaker 4: he would literally beat himself up to get into that
Speaker 4: mentality and would go out and just destroy Yeah. I
Speaker 4: mean it's part of the steel curtain.
Speaker 3: That's back when it was a proper game. Okay, that's
Speaker 3: back when the sport was a proper sport.
Speaker 9: The reason why all this was interesting is that Hence
Speaker 9: State was got awful for decades, okay, and then the
Speaker 9: massacre happens on their campus, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 9: they got two of them, the college's best coach ever
Speaker 9: probably at this point, and Jack Lambert on the same team.
Speaker 9: Plus there's a couple other guys that ended up being
Speaker 9: pretty big names on that team too, and they end
Speaker 9: up winning the MAC Championship for the first time and
Speaker 9: I believe one of two times ever.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 9: So yeah, again, you know, tragedy strikes and all of
Speaker 9: a sudden, they're rewarded through their sports teams.
Speaker 3: That happens. We did an episode about.
Speaker 4: That once upon a time.
Speaker 14: Yeah, man, it's always there.
Speaker 4: Sacrifice is always rewarded, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Ah indeed, Um Spirit Animals said, funny enough, I'm gonna
Speaker 6: try to go to tech school to be a plumber.
Speaker 3: It's a good craft.
Speaker 4: It's a good craft. Fuck. Yeah, just make sure you
Speaker 4: got that plumber's crack out or you're not actually a plumber,
Speaker 4: Sam Jesus Christ.
Speaker 5: Rule.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it's gonna it's just gonna be out either way,
Speaker 4: all right. Zombie said.
Speaker 6: Consciousness and sentience are two turns often used interchangeably, but
Speaker 6: they actually have distinct meanings. Consciousness refers to the state
Speaker 6: of being aware of, being aware of, and able to
Speaker 6: think about one's own existence, sensations, thoughts, and surroundings. It
Speaker 6: involves the ability to perceive and experience the world around us. Sentience,
Speaker 6: on the other hand, is the capacity to feel, perceive,
Speaker 6: and experience subjectively. It is the ability to have sensations
Speaker 6: and emotions.
Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, yeahs and consciousness are different. Uh, They're
Speaker 4: they're similar, not the same, though.
Speaker 3: In what way would you call those similar.
Speaker 6: I'll give you that capacity to feel perceive well. To
Speaker 6: perceive is to be aware, wouldn't you say, I mean,
Speaker 6: you can't perceive anything if you don't have awareness.
Speaker 4: But that that's what I'm saying, Like your five senses
Speaker 4: to perceive the world around you, to know what color
Speaker 4: this is, or what that sounds like, or what this
Speaker 4: food tastes like.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's sentience and so well, and so therefore sentience.
Speaker 6: AI would never be able to have sentience at that point.
Speaker 6: The capacity to feel, to perceive, or experience subjectively, it
Speaker 6: is the ability to have sensations and emotions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, AI is never going to have that, So what
Speaker 4: you're saying that it's never going to have con So,
Speaker 4: but it does have consciousness. It is able to think
Speaker 4: independently about its own existence. It involves the ability to
Speaker 4: perceive and experience the world around us. No, it doesn't
Speaker 4: have that either. It doesn't. I mean, how would you
Speaker 4: even prove that it does other than it telling you.
Speaker 4: That's my point. You have these AI glasses where you
Speaker 4: can say, hey, Google, what am I looking at? And
Speaker 4: it will tell you what's happening with the world around it.
Speaker 4: That's AI giving you a readout of what you're looking
Speaker 4: at and what it therefore is looking at too. I
Speaker 4: don't believe that AI has the the ability to think
Speaker 4: about its own existence. Well, there's many things that we've
Speaker 4: talked about, as a matter of fact, where AI is
Speaker 4: communicating with itself that would disprove what you just said,
Speaker 4: as it was programmed too. Without those programs, it wouldn't
Speaker 4: be doing that. But it also has exceeded its program
Speaker 4: because it's self learning.
Speaker 6: Well, what are the limitations on it? Though we don't know,
Speaker 6: that's my point. Well, the limitations would be up to
Speaker 6: the programmer. I would say not necessarily. Not necessarily for example,
Speaker 6: like right now, and I always say this, but like
Speaker 6: we can only see zero point one percent of the
Speaker 6: light spectrum. Doesn't matter how much information I soak up,
Speaker 6: I will always only be able to perceive one percent
Speaker 6: or a tenth of a percent of the light spectrum.
Speaker 4: But that's because your eyes are only ever going to
Speaker 4: see so much. AI is self improving every day. It
Speaker 4: is getting smarter and more capable than it was yesterday.
Speaker 4: I would like to say that we are doing that
Speaker 4: same thing right.
Speaker 3: No, there's only human beings.
Speaker 4: We only have so much hardware, we are only going
Speaker 4: to be able to hear between a certain frequency range,
Speaker 4: being able to only see within a certain color spectrum range,
Speaker 4: even though we know that there is more colors out
Speaker 4: there than just the rainbow. That's all we are ever
Speaker 4: going to be able to see through our human eyes.
Speaker 4: AI is continuously improving upon what it was able to
Speaker 4: do yesterday as far as information goes, well, there's an
Speaker 4: argument to say that not just information, dude, Like whenever
Speaker 4: we have an AI driven robot. Yeah, the robot is
Speaker 4: only going to be able to go so far before
Speaker 4: it needs to recharge its batteries, right, And that's the
Speaker 4: capability until it develops a better battery, until it develops
Speaker 4: a better charging mechanism. Until That's what I'm saying. It
Speaker 4: is improving upon itself to a point where we're not
Speaker 4: going to be able to tell if it really is
Speaker 4: answering us on its own or not. I think we're
Speaker 4: kind of approaching that point at this time.
Speaker 6: Honestly, Paradenimal said, soon the LGBT will have an R
Speaker 6: for robosexual.
Speaker 4: Dude, you ain't lying. The alphabet people are gonna add
Speaker 4: another letter. I even think about this, fucking Japanese dude,
Speaker 4: let's see.
Speaker 6: Matthew Lane said, I just I just did a two
Speaker 6: hour show with Tim Constantine on the Primary Water with Christine.
Speaker 6: Joe is being sentenced Thursday at one thirty pm on
Speaker 6: Sarasona County.
Speaker 4: Fuck damn okay, love Tim Constantine. And also I really
Speaker 4: hope that he gets freed. That's complete bullshit.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's very good, but they're Christine's out here trying
Speaker 9: everything that can.
Speaker 14: They subpoena at the judge.
Speaker 9: I got the witness his pre sentencing on the first
Speaker 9: August first, that fuck man. The disdain and look on
Speaker 9: that judge's face him or at the case at Shoe.
Speaker 14: She's got for him. And I think Christine mentioned this
Speaker 14: on this show, like.
Speaker 9: Joe got this water to somebody who's daughter had brain cancer.
Speaker 14: Joe didn't knows brain cancer at first.
Speaker 9: But they they gave this family two full five gallon
Speaker 9: jugs of the Primary water, and this little girl's tumors slowly,
Speaker 9: uh trank quite a bit, but as soon as they
Speaker 9: ran out of the water, I guess it.
Speaker 14: You know, I didn't cure it, but it was definitely
Speaker 14: helping her.
Speaker 9: I have a feeling from the story Christine told me,
Speaker 9: like the doctors basically were like, yeah, this water is
Speaker 9: making her sick, sicker or something like they turned the
Speaker 9: tables on her the judgment. So you know, brain cancer,
Speaker 9: you know that's a neuroscience basically, right, Judge Padar's father
Speaker 9: is a neuroscience for a brain surgeon.
Speaker 14: So wow, keep not working out for Joe. Everywhere he turned,
Speaker 14: it's uh, the cards are stacked against them.
Speaker 10: Man.
Speaker 9: Like where I'm from, there was a girl who was
Speaker 9: murdered in front of her two children. It was basically
Speaker 9: conspired brother and sister who who this white girl was
Speaker 9: fighting with this black girl and her brother went into
Speaker 9: this girl, the white girl's house and shot her in
Speaker 9: the chest three times in front of her kids, and
Speaker 9: then posted all over social media about it. They got
Speaker 9: less years in prison than Joe's about to get for
Speaker 9: trying to bring health healthy water to the world.
Speaker 4: Bro. I would love to see what the legal precedence
Speaker 4: is for the sentence that he's about to get. But
Speaker 4: you know, it's just going to be false claims.
Speaker 9: And I don't I don't think Christine mentioned this because
Speaker 9: she just told me. I just kind of was like, oh,
Speaker 9: I didn't I don't think I knew that with this
Speaker 9: Lean case, they didn't even tell the jury that he
Speaker 9: was being sentenced, like he was facing jail time at all.
Speaker 9: Joe barely even new until right like days before. So yeah,
Speaker 9: it's it's left and right, man.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: Christina said, like, no, nobody wants to come even try
Speaker 9: to fight this court system because it's such a tight
Speaker 9: knit group.
Speaker 14: She's literally had lawyers say, sorry, we're not willing to
Speaker 14: take this case.
Speaker 9: Can't can't do it, Sarasota, No, thank you. So we're
Speaker 9: still putting shows out there. I would love to come
Speaker 9: back on here, guys, this show. Christine's been pretty overwhelmed
Speaker 9: with trying to do whatever she can through the courts
Speaker 9: to get Joe a fair trial, but it's not looking
Speaker 9: very good.
Speaker 14: But whether he gets sentenced Thursday or not, We're I'm
Speaker 14: not gonna stop fighting for him. I'm still going to
Speaker 14: try to find him help. So I appreciate you guys
Speaker 14: are doing and letting me come on and bullshit about it.
Speaker 14: So it's a real cause to get behind. I'll give
Speaker 14: you that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, man, Yeah, buddy. Well, he also put the
Speaker 4: the website if you want to go check out the website.
Speaker 6: Called Gilbertie Blue Gold, or you can go back and
Speaker 6: listen to that episode that we did about a month
Speaker 6: month and a half ago something like that. Whenever we
Speaker 6: had Christine and Matthew on the shows, it was a
Speaker 6: good show, real quick.
Speaker 14: Hopefully by next week I'll be coming on.
Speaker 9: Next Tuesday and telling you guys that the samples what
Speaker 9: they sent out results got back and it's all good news.
Speaker 14: So let you guys know in the next week or two,
Speaker 14: so that news come soon as those results come.
Speaker 9: Back, it's going to blow up. Patrick Bet, David Crow,
Speaker 9: Triple Seven. There's quite a few shows lined up waiting
Speaker 9: for the results that want to have us on.
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