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the legends are born?
Speaker 2: Are they?
Speaker 5: Are they gone? Who can say?
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Let the search beak in rustling leaves. But there's no.
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Every year goes a question. Every russell's a clue. Spotching
hollis got its eyes on you. Monsters stories are torn?
Spatching how where.
Speaker 7: The legends are born?
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great podcasts are found. And now the show.
Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, this thing on?
Speaker 10: Yes it is? How are you decending?
Speaker 4: Roger doing good? I barely made it, y'all, taking a nap,
didn't wake up in time, Amanda's panic intextion are you coming,
and like, oh my god.
Speaker 10: It's like tent like, uh, you're usually here by now.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I usually try to get in about thirty minutes early,
make sure everything's working. But y'all mentioning without mentioning. In
light of what's happened in the past couple of weeks
with other Cryptid channels, I've been advised to say this
this show is for entertainment purposes only. Eye roll. That's
my I added that black part. But anyway, so some
of you guys that know what's been going on kind
of understand that. So tonight you know we've got Dan Nadrello.
That's it, right, Amanda.
Speaker 10: Yep, you did it good.
Speaker 4: It's close. It's close. Yeah. Yeah, I was having a
Yarrington moment, Blackie. Uh So tonight, Dan Wisconsin Sasquat researcher,
wildlife photographer, retired d NR biologists herpetologist. Past employment National
Wildlife Federation, private zoo keeper contracted with the Department of
the Army, the Nature Conservancy, Trout Unlimited Highway Department private contractors,
DNR Environmental Surveys, former BFRO independent researcher. Three sightings he's squashing.
I'm skipping. So he's squashed in twenty six states. He
spoke in Alabama last June sixth. Next one is Missouri
a big Foot conference October twenty sixth, So y'all can
check that out and if some of you are in
the area, go, you know, go see them. And I
you know, when I started this show, I wanted every
point of view, and I saw Dan. You know, I
don't you add people that show up or you see
on other shows. And he's been interesting. I've been talking
to him a little bit on Messenger and sending him things.
He's been collecting, you know, evidence or sounds, taking reports
of what they look like. You know, you got the audio,
and just I could tell he was really serious about
collecting data. And uh, he's always been really thankful if
I send him something or whatever. And I just he
seems like a great guy, you know, and some people
you're just drawn to, and Dan's one of those guys
for me, even though we haven't met just briefly backstage,
I know you you know, a lot of times we'll
go and watch shows to prepare. Amanda's been watching shows,
and but I.
Speaker 10: Like to do a little bit of homework.
Speaker 4: It's part of the research, right, I know, right, that's right.
And you know I put Bigfoot hunter in the title,
and a lot of people they'll look at that and
they'll clutch their pearls, you know, and I'm like, but
hunting doesn't necessarily mean you know, bagging, right, So you know,
collecting information like Amanda, you and you and Dan would
get along great because you know you do that every
day or every day that you're at the museum and
taking reports and stuff. So I can't I'm sorry, I
can't look at look at the chat because Hillary and
a few others try to get me laughing. But let's
bring Dan in and thank you for joining us. Well,
you know a lot of us were introduced to this
by accident, something happened, like in my past and Amanda's
past most of the chat here, something that's happened to
draw them to the subject didn't ask to be drawn in.
And with your background, what what drew you to this subject?
Speaker 3: Mainly curiosity? Missus Weber. I was in fifth grade and
I loved all kinds of animals. I decided, since it
wasn't likely I was going to find any dinosaurs, I
was stuck with the current skilled creatures, so I was
process of studying them. I think by the time I
was in eighth grade, I knew all the Latin names
to all the herbs or reptiles and amphibians in my
state of Wisconsin. By the time I graduated from high school,
I knew all the Latin names for all of them
in the entire United States. I was that deeply into it.
But I thought, what am I on earth for? My
dad died when I was five. We moved in with
my mom's dad and he died the same month, and
they're thinking, Holy you know what, there ain't no guarantees here. Now,
what the age am I doing on this planet? And
what do I want to get done? And one is
I want to see the damn thing. What am I do?
What trips my trigger the most animals? So that was
going to I knew I was going to be a zoologist,
and I knew I was going to be a herpetologist,
but why stop there? So remember I'm thinking this when
I'm five, six, seven, eight years old. All the other
kids had goldfish. I had a bullfrog or green frog, tadpole,
So it almost almost like it was automatic.
Speaker 11: You know right, so real quick for those of us
are people who might be listening and not know what
is is.
Speaker 10: A herpetologist.
Speaker 3: Libetologists is a scientist who studies reptiles and amphibians. Reptiles
being the scaled, thick skinned animals such as turtles, lizards, snakes,
the tuitara, crocodilians versus the amphibians which going through a
body change of metamorphosis, toads, frogs, salamanders, and sicilians, which
a lot of people I've never heard of, which is
more tropical. Anyway, As far as getting back to your question,
and you mean, didn't mean to be rude, sidestep everything.
Speaker 4: You fit in good here. We do it all the time, okay.
Speaker 3: And by the way you talk and entertainment, I love
that song. Of all the podcasts I've listened to, that
might be my favorite one.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you that all the credit goes to doug
Ie Tech on that one.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: I discussed, we discussed what we wanted and I call
it the hot check Matchick the magic.
Speaker 3: Well, he's amazing fellow. I know it was funny because
the first day I met him, he brought me into
his office at his house and the next thing I knew,
I was sitting next to Matt Moneymaker. So that was
my first day with Doug and Matt, and which was
really hilarious because when I used to take BF reports
BFIH reports, I often wasn't home. I didn't have a
cell phone, and so my eighty some year old grandmother
would be desensitizing the very scared people on the other
end of the phone and making good friends with people
all over the country. So she talked to Matt before
long before I did. So that's just kind of comical.
So how did I get interested in this? I was
in fifth grade, missus Webers said a honorable snowman. I thought,
you've got to be hitting me. So I hit the encyclopedia,
went right to the Hillary and Shirpa's situation in the Himalayas,
and yetty, you know, And so I'm thinking, there are
adults that take this seriously?
Speaker 10: Why?
Speaker 3: And that was the premise for everything I did. I
never met adults that took it seriously until I was
in my twenties in college and then finally in my
forties when I joined the BFR Row and a few
other but I just couldn't old conversations because number one,
nobody knew took the time to study something so ridiculous
and nobody had any knowledge of it, so it couldn't
be real, you know. And so I was fighting that
in solitude and studying the literature as crazy as I could.
My first, my first experience, it turned out to be
my parents' asquatch. I didn't get to see the soundmaker,
but it was in a church camp. I was fourteen,
and we had something hissed at us, like a pictuufous
bull snake or playing snake or gopher snake, all of
that genus, and they it was so loud, it was unbelievable,
and it was evading all the lights. All the students
or the kids were in flashlights and we couldn't see
it and was staying behind the vegetation splashing at the
leak edge in northern Wisconsin. And I thought, okay, I've
got to become a well lived belligious too, because I
want to know what everything sounds like. I was at
age fourteen, you know, and then nothing happened until I
was in my forties.
Speaker 4: That sounds similar. That sounds similar to mine. It's like
deciding at fourteen and then thirty something years went by. Yeah,
and I stayed in the woods and nothing happened. And
then in twenty twenty, I got a me and my
son got a rock thrown at us, tossed at us,
and it all started. All that memory came back and
I understand that the Okay, so right off the bat,
I'm sure a lot of people will want this question
to ask, and I'd let you know I was wanted
to ask it because we always say what would it take?
What would it take for science to accept this? Because
we all know I mean, and I want to say this.
I heard a guy one time he had seen bigfoot.
He found tracks later at different times, and he was
scared to say it was bigfoot. But the tracks, you know,
and when they're eighteen inches long and you know, eight
or nine inches wide here in four and a half,
so he was scared to say, true were bigfoot tracks. Dan,
if you see a deer in the field and you
know they're deer in the area, and you come back
two weeks from now and you see fresh tracks from
the deer, you kind of know.
Speaker 3: What that is, right exactly.
Speaker 4: So So anyway, eight So anyway, I was like, why
is he so scared to say that. Now what we
what I'm sure a lot of us will know. Let's
say Dan wanted to prove this and he thought he
had everything he needed. Let's let's go with an insect.
Uh what would you have to go through to prove
that so it will be you know, accepted by your peers.
Speaker 3: Well, my memory isn't my memory isn't perfect. So I
did a little research on that just to make sure
I was on top of the game. And so I'm
just going to go through it. So that's systematically all there.
And the first thing is you got to have an
analysis of why you think it is a different species. So,
in other words, you're photographing it, you're making you know, segmentation,
wing division, wing placement, anten of differences, what deciphers that
particular creature as a different species. And with some animals,
you can look at two and they're different species, but
they don't look like it, so they're you know, the
speciation thing. It comes down to the next step, which
is genetic testing. In other words, what's the DNA on
this puppy and how is that working for you? Because
now I'm gonna give you a classic example we have
black rat snakes in north central America. Excuse me, northern
North America. Okay, central North America. It's even been called
the central rat snack, and then more genetic tests, then
it was the Midland rat snack, and then they changed
the black to the gray rat snack, and then they
changed it back to central rat snake. And for me,
it's like, are you guys nuts? And in the Latin
name goes from Aliganian says to spalloides to obsolete as
to obsolete. It's just like, my first question is how
much beer are you guys drinking? And who's the alpha
male that's taken credit for these changes? It turns out
to be one guy in particular on that species. So
it's hilarious the stuff that happens behind the scenes, you know.
And and so the genetic testing is obviously very important.
And then the next step basically would be you have
to have a peer review of and I haven't publicized
in publication and so it's preserved. Now you we're still
not done. It's the next thing we have is comparisons
with other specimens in natural history museums to verify that
it doesn't match any and if you're talking insects, you're
talking how many thousand, and then you go his publication
to a journal, and then you have to have consist
consensus acceptance. So it's pretty there's a lot of steps involved, right,
and there are subdivisions behind those as well. Now, obviously
with an insect or an antelope or even a big cat,
there were different color phases of cheetah king cheetah. There's
been some questions about what's going on with jaguars. Obviously
we've got black and the regular spotty color, and we've
had other animals that looked almost in between. Possibly were
they hybridize between jaguar and mountain lion, which has actually happened,
but very rarely and almost always those hybrids are infertile.
A good examples of black panther. In the United States,
we've only got several options, one an exotic, which would
be most likely a black jaguar. Some say jaguars are
common and are still abundant in certain states with the
mountainous areas, such as Arkansas, north of Texas, north of
New Mexico, north of Arizona. I was talking to steven
S True for not too many years ago. Unfortunately, we
lost him, he passed away. He had told me that
he had seen a black panther, and of course most
of these we don't have a verified black cougar yet.
I was just sharing some images with Marie with her
group Mid Florida Mid America or Mid Florida Research Group,
and a fellow had luckily caught some great video over
Florida panther, but it got into some lighting where it
looked black, and that could certainly answer some of this.
Some of these black panthers are obviously labrador retrievers or housecats,
but I also have friends that have seen or contacts
that have seen red eyed glowing China. Black cats don't
seem to match any of our non natural phenomena. So
have you ever heard.
Speaker 4: Of a have you ever heard of a JAGGARUNDI? Yes,
and I saw something here when I was seventeen, had
no idea was diging diging digging. I mean I rode
up just a few feet from it. I've surprised it
on the car and so I'm thinking possibly some of
these sightings, and this ties into the bigfoot subject too,
some of these sightings around here of the black panther
possibly could be the rare jagg Arundi. And I learned
that just a couple of years ago watching another show
and Bama Murder. People here know who that is. So
he was talking about a jagg Arundy in Alabama, and
when I looked up the picture, I was like the
mystery all those decades, I didn't know what it was.
But anyway, so y'all see either I'm setting up this
show by first off, if you don't have a specimen,
it's very it's there. You're not going to get anywhere,
right if you don't have blood to test, and and unfortunately,
you know, we know what would have to happen or
you know, accidentally or whatever. But but to get this
proven that you're going to have to bring a specimen in.
So you know, we we have pictures and audio, uh sightings.
You know, some of us have all of that, uh
found trackways in areas where their reports and the only
people that pay attention, it seems, are the people that
know or are curious, like you, ah, what could these
things be real? And then they come to these shows
and and and the doc documentaries to kind of learn.
So I think that's where people like you come in.
You I wonst say crossed the line, because that's a
big step for somebody.
Speaker 3: In credibility to get shot, and then you've got people
talking to you. I've lost significant funds in my speaking
engagements because somebody found out that I was. I was
taking sasquatches, real, taking them seriously, and I had good
reason to do that, but it's very difficult to share
that with somebody in twenty four hours, so they can
even get a fraction of what you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So how did you break into the bigfoot groups?
You said you ended up at Doug's house, but did
you go on a search like a lot of us have.
First it started with researching and watching this or that,
and then to actually step in with people. How did
that go?
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be glad to explain my situation. I
had done as big a literature search as I could
do pre internet, and once the Internet came up, there
were vocalization claims. Well you got to check that out.
And basically, after my mom passed, my sister made me
a bet she doesn't remember this. She said, okay, number one,
I'll bet you don't become computer literate. I'm not going
to claim that I have, and number two, I'll bet
you don't network professionally chasing the big airy giants. And
when she says, I know you want to, and I
did so badly, but I knew what it was going
to do to me if I had entered that door. Well,
I decided not to let my little sister went to bet.
So I entered the door and I got online. I
started following up reports. They kept coming back to this
organization called BFRORO. And I didn't know anybody in the
organization at the time. I did, but I didn't know
they were in it. There was some secrecy. There was
one particular man that was constantly putting up reports, and
I saw he flirted with several that claimed were coming
out of Wisconsin. So I started hitting him with questions.
Little did I know at the time it was Matt's
partner back in two thousand and I started hitting him
with a lot of questions. Finally he's basically said, oh,
I'll give you an example. I was just wanting to know,
are you taking people for a ride or are you
actually general or are you genuinely setting aside data and
putting reports together and things of that nature. And he
eventually became agitated by me and said, who the hell
are you? And so I told him and I just said,
I'm so interested in this, I've got to know more.
And he says, do you have a resume? I go, yeah,
and so I flipped him that and the next day
he basically said, I'm going to check in with Matt
on this because I think you're somebody we'd like to
work with. And I'm like, well, okay, And within a
week I was behind the scenes and got the magic
got the magic key and had access to hair scat vocals,
all that and a hundred people that had similar interests,
some with much more experience than I. And so my
job personally was who the hell are these people? I
got to get to know him and I got to
get to know them. Well. That was some people. Doesn't
work with everybody, but it was sure awesome, and I
was honored to work with people that wrote books that
interested me in the first place. John Green was there.
I got to meet doctor John Bendernagel and he became
a close personal friend, and numerous other people and I
worked with me a lot, and I will always treat
I will always treasure that because despite that, everybody liking
everybody all the time. Incredible knowledge can be shared with
all of us, regardless of how we operate or what
we do, or what's likable what isn't likable. Not that
Matt isn't a likable guy, but he's a little on
the controversial side, as was promoted in finding Bigfoots.
Speaker 4: So I've been around him just a little bit, and uh,
he's he gets focused on something nobody else exist. Oh yeah,
I mean he's he's got tunnel vision, and some people
take that the wrong way, but that's a super hyper
focused person.
Speaker 3: He is an incredible man. I just honored the fact
that when I was I was in the Organs for
four years. I'm a little bit unorthodox and I'm tunnel
vision too, and sometimes you get a lot of people
telling you how things should be done, and sometimes there's conflicts.
I don't really do well with that, and so in
the end I got involved with somebody I shouldn't have
and let some things go and it just kind of
slid out the back way. Plus my typing went from
thirty five words a minute to one hundred and five.
I gained fifty pounds. I couldn't get away from the
damn telephone taking reports from Florida, Alaska to wherever. And
that was one thing that was really wonderful about Matt.
He's basically says, hey, you can do anything you want
in here, just don't kiss anybody off. Unfortunately I was
a little bit too. I was a little bit too
intense twenty five years ago, and that happened a few times.
But I tried to make amends with everybody I could.
And you know, I'm just honored to be able to
meet all the personalities, all the wonderful people and learn
so much from so many people. So this interview with
you guys is just an honor.
Speaker 4: Thank you, oh honors all ours, thank you. We uh,
you know, I still I still after three or four years,
I'm shocked when people say yes when I ask them
to come on. You know, I'm like, what, okay, cool?
So I I really get excited and and what I've done.
Dan and Amanda, we we we try to layer our
guests from eyewitnesses that really don't want to tell their
story to people who have studied and studied evidence and
and everything in between, because I want to I want
a good cross section. And I know that you have
been uh, collecting evidence. You asked some great questions on
on Facebook and stuff, and and I know some people, yeah,
they're there's I know you know this better than we do.
There are people on different sides that uh sometimes don't
get along because their tunnel vision. We try to be
open minded because I don't want to miss something, you know.
And my favorite, other than if somebody getting a video
or a specimen, my favorite evidence is audio because it
can be measured. It being scientifically measured, you can rule
out a lot of stuff. Now you can't say what
it is. If you can rule out everything else, that
don't leave much that's.
Speaker 3: Right and sounds like a combination of lion. There's a
few numbered things that can do that. Well, some lions
working together in tandem.
Speaker 4: Man, Well you now know this, uh. And I try
to tell people all the time, uh, when they do something,
when they make a noise, when they call or sneeze
like you have one you know behind Jews, excuse me
have to call. I think I manifested that. But they
do it big, and they do it loud, and it
even even a shuffle a turn doesn't when they take
a couple of steps doesn't sound like anything else. Uh,
it's obviously big two feet it immediately and this happened.
This has all happened to me and people that I know,
And that's what you can't get across. So what what
were you impressed the most about about the leading group
that you started with back then with all those names.
What what impressed you? Because I know coming in you
probably were doubting some things you want to find out.
Speaker 3: I had. I was overly proud of my success studying
literature and we were studying animal behavior. So I felt
very comfortable that single, private people don't come up with
all these details on their own they unless they experience it,
and so to me that was a big factor. And
of course when you're figuring out reports, you definitely would
appreciate secondary evidence to go with it. So comments on
what the kids said, comments on footprints or pictures, comments
on vocalizations, comments on the way the dogs behaved, comments
on the way the livestock behave, comments on the way
animals were during the time the hunter had experiences or
got a visual you know, all those things. As far
as I'll give you an example, one of the first
things that happened when I got into the organization one
of the fellows I was working with was from the northeast.
He was a pilot. You're a pilot, so he obviously
has to be very careful about his credibility. And he
set me aside and he told me, hey, when I
was a teenager, I shot a deer and I was
dragging it and he didn't clean it yet, and he
was on private property, but somebody was following him, and
so he set the deer off to the side and
he went farther down the trail and stood bind a tree.
By golly, if he didn't see a big mail step out.
And so that was what did it for him. And
he didn't tell very many people about this, and so
I was very honored that he took the time to
privatize me a little bit. And so it was experiences
like that that, one on one with people that I
honored and trusted who are real good friends with me
still today. In many cases, a lot of these guys
are older now and they aren't here. So it's kind
of important that we document as much as we can
if we're seriously interested in learning this. And obviously there's
a big yell about anecdotal but hey, we've got David Ellis.
We've got so many other people that are working hard
behind the scenes regarding you know, and obviously David over
at the Expedition Museum and well I got to meet
by the way in October twenty twenty and nice. Yeah,
I stepped in, so I was there.
Speaker 10: Right after I had left. Unfortunately I just missed it.
Speaker 3: Billa was gone by that time too.
Speaker 11: She was Yeah, a small world. I actually not that
I could replace her in any way, shape or for
but I ended up taking over her position whenever she left,
is how I got my position there at the museum.
Speaker 3: Very cool.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I loved Savila. She is wonderful.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've known her now for probably twenty years,
so maybe not that long, but like seventeen eighteen probably
I'd worked with her and worked with a lot of
her illustrations, and she's given me wide open pages on
what I can do with them. You know, I've anything
we can do to enhance her situation, the more we
would like to do that. But between her and Alex
Alexa Evans, those are the two gals that I spent
a lot of time with and who's Alex has got
a lot of a lot of artworking Dave's Museum as well.
But I just you know, these gals are detailed and
concerned about the detail, and so they're gonna listen and
work on those nostrils, work on the eye with in
the diameters of this and that, and the thickness or
lack of thickness of the eye, the eye hear, and
just right on down the line, you know, And I's
gonna tell you, et cetera.
Speaker 4: To that point, I knew a guy that sabylas her is,
and I assumed it was something deep a quick process.
It took months. Months took yea. So y'all, if y'all
see Sabylla's drawings, she just didn't talk to somebody on
the phone and draw that what she heard she it
was contact for months, worked, like he said, working on
the piece of a nostril. And what was frustrating something
I saw a couple of years ago or last year
through a thermal and I tried to get I don't
have drawing skills and I don't know anybody, so I
tried to get Ai. I argued with Ai for hours
because the nose, I couldn't get the nose right. It
always wanted to put a monkey nose right or gorilla nose,
and this definitely wasn't And I got it ninety percent maybe,
and that's the best I can do. But some of hers,
I mean, the detail and the work that she puts in,
and the witnesses also that's worked for them to have
to sit and and some of them, like TKB said,
you know the PTSD that comes along with some of
this and some of these encounters people shut down. This
guy that I'm talking about in particular, he lost his
job because he couldn't function for a while. And you know,
I think he's he's doing better now. But let me
ask you this. So you you have access to Sabella's
uh artwork, UH, and I'm and there there are locations.
Are you seeing any similarities uh in in regions and
differences in other regions of the facial.
Speaker 3: You know, I've been paying I've been trying to pay
attention to that, and to be perfectly honest with you,
it's really hard to say, but I'll give you some
scenarios or or some some observations that I've made that
I feel comfortable talking about. Okay, one is in Washington,
and before before I go into that, I just want
to make one more comment regarding Sabila as incredible, and
that is one of my favorite illustration that she has
is a young male about six feet tall named Nubby.
One of the BFI ROW reports out of Oklahoma. I
forgot the details, but it'd be easily looked up. All
you'd have to do is is just say stability illustration
Oklahoma UH sasquash report for the BFIROW, and that she
come up. But anyway, what's interesting is she got a
phone call and the guys looking at the individual, Hey,
do you want to start drawing? Oh my gosh, because
we can make this happen right now. So to me,
that's the most uh realistic likely illustration she has. And
that's not to step back on any of her other work.
That's just to forward this one another step. Now what
I've got another point to that. On the first observations
I had through night vision, it was with Shane Carr
during Randy Rrington down in Missouri in twenty nineteen. I'm
part of the Ozark Mountain Sasquatch group and those guys
are among the most dedicated human beings that I know.
Regarding the investigations of these guys. Both men have had
visuals as well. So on that night, I drove over
ten hours to get to the spot in southern Missouri
and those arks, and it was three o'clock in the
morning and we were walking down the trail and here
is a peaker and Shane announced both of us, I'm
going in on. Well that sparks question about well, if
we want to interact them, do we want to push them?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: Okay, So that was the argument between me and Randy.
With Shane, Shane was bullheaded and he's going to do
this no matter what. So he turns and he goes.
Randy kind of guides him in. This is the first
night that I'd met Randy, and I'd only met Shane
one other time at his property the year before when
he said you're in. So anyway, Shane goes down. He
gets within seven feet of the individual who's about one
hundred and fifty pounds estimated that means one seventy five
to forty and all black hair, maybe five and a
half feet tall, maybe a little less, maybe a little more,
laying down in a very very non dominant, submissive type
pose with curiosity. So Shane was there. I don't know
how many minutes I'd have to review. He's talked about
this endlessly on numerous other interviews, but he eventually got
up and walked away, and then he turned on and
came back. Then there was two chattering or clattering, and
then a couple at least one rock was thrown, and
he decided, Okay, it's time to go. Now what did
he describe he saw? The closest one was the illustration
that Sibylla did from Oklahoma on that. So that's like
a double set. Yeah, combs up comes up. You know,
that's pretty darn on that.
Speaker 4: So absolutely, and so I've got I'm gonna throw something
at you that everybody gets hit with it because when
you're talking about where you're talking about Southwest Missouri. I've
been through there many times, and most time at night
because I have a family that lives in the Northwest
corner and uh, it's driving through there at night. It
just you know, the Mark Twain area, and it's the
thought goes through my head all these people, like where
do they hide? Dan, You've been all over Tell people
how much habitat there there is just in this country
where it would support something that big. Now, probably not support.
You know, I heard or twelve one hundred of them,
but you know, but uh, you know five six here
or there.
Speaker 3: There's plenty sure area. I'll just start was by saying,
in my state of Wisconsin, we have twenty five thousand
black bear I've seen three. I'm a biologist. Now, I
don't focus on black bear, right. I've seen tracks. We
don't have a lot of them where I'm at, but
I've been up in northern Wisconsin a significant amount, and
I've had Sasquatch vocalizations in many, many different counties. And
I'll say alleged suspect Sasquatch vocals because I did not
see the soundmaker, much like I did not see the
track maker of some of the tracks that I've found,
which are very few. By the way, I'm not particularly
good at that. I'm much better at getting out there
and listening for you know, possibilities. To answer your question,
If you grab a map and look at Little Rock, Arkansas,
swing over to Dallas and then drop down, let's see
was it there? I think, And then you drop down
toward Louisiana or whatever. You get a big triangle there,
and there aren't a lot of towns in there. And
when you've got small towns, I had many interviews where
the town was three thousand and five thousand and seven thousand,
and then there'd be a cornfield, and then there'd be
a stream, and then there'd be an unknown path that
goes right along the edge of the yard. And the
dogs always bark so many times a week at night,
and everybody's sleeping and they're trying to figure out why
they're dog getting all agitated. Then all of a sudden,
there's a mysterious footprint. I had a gall out of Colorado.
She was teaching at the as a biology professor at
one of the universities I taught at, and she I
told her what I was into on the side, and
she goes, I don't ever tell any this. When I
was a little girl, I had something big walk up
to the window and look in at me when I
was in my bedroom. And this would happen a lot,
and my parents never believed me. But we could never
figure out what that big path was that went down
to the river. So and as as the Foggy Mountain,
or as the Foggy Creek, folk Creek deal is, I'm
gonna get this eventually, Foggy Creek. You know, they they
always walked creeks, streams, the rivers are highway and hey,
this says. So when the first reports I got when
I was in BFROL was out of a while and
was out of a radio fellow who had just taken
the night off, and he happened to see his assquatch
walk out of the woods, walk right over the lake,
continue walking, walk right into the lake, and disappear underwater.
You know. So, I think they're right under our nose,
and I think that their juvenile tracks are so human like.
And I've got a quote from doctor Meldolam saying telling
one of our investigators, Hey, the juveniles are extremely difficult
to tell from human feet, which means they're generally being
disregarded as human footprints. So as a result, so many
investigators just let that go. You know so, I think,
and I think the reports of the juveniles are up.
And I also think that because of the way we
manage our predators, you'll notice our black bear populations and
virtually every state going up, expanding online, starting to reclaim
their original locations east of the Mississippi River. In case
anybody's interested, not one person in modern times has been
killed by a mountain lion east of the Mississippi River.
And we're only averaging like one person a year year,
and I think it's like one hundred and thirty deaths
in the last two hundred years.
Speaker 4: Well, if people quit trying to pet them, that probably
would work itself out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, college too, right, Well.
Speaker 4: There's there. Oh man, there's so many things. But real
quickly the two the two different spots, I found big
tracks with smaller tracks, the Dan one of them. Uh,
we'll talk later.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be bugging you, man,
don't mind. I'm gonna be bugging you to Uh.
Speaker 4: The tracks we found right at Bank National Forest in Alabama.
Uh a real sandy salty. The river was down, which
is a perfect time to find tracks. We weren't expecting much,
but we found the bigger tracks and then all of
a sudden, these smaller ones appeared and we were looking
at the compression it was. It wasn't a hill to
toe or a toe to heel step. It's almost like
something sat one down, like it was clinging on to
a mom And we looked. I didn't see any tracks
coming out. It walked down to the river like curiously
and put its right foot on the rock and kind
of splayed out like this right here. But anyway, and
the other one was and it was the week of
Thanksgiving on a Tuesday, so you know, what kind of weather,
what the weather's like. And the first thing I thought,
and I even said on the video, who would let
their kids run around out here in Barefoot in the wintertime?
Speaker 3: And that's such an incredible point to make.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they were fresh because it hadn't rained here
in a couple of months. And this was up at
the land between the lakes. We went up there, and
but I did find the bigger tracks, which you know,
and and I'll tell you this a lot of the
audience knows three years prior to the same family had
been casted, and what some of the information. The bigger
ones were staying in line, right, they were just walking,
they knew where they were going. The two little ones
were running back and forth across like kids playing. And
so anyway, I'll let you speak, but that that's the
type of evidence that doesn't get heard. We've done shows
on the track away, we've showed the cast and I
don't I'm not going to say, nobody cares, but the
people here care. The people that are watching and listening
to us and know us, they care. But that's as
far as it goes. Dan. We need you to help us.
We need you to prove this.
Speaker 3: No kidding talks to talk about what's the smallest tracks
you've come across in.
Speaker 4: The smallest That small one compressed in the mud was
about eight inches, but I do realize that it probably
might have been a seven inch, you know what I'm saying.
But toes and you're right, the big tracks looked like
bigfoot tracks. The little tracks, you're like. I even went
to Greg and his daughter Abby. I said, when's the
last time you've been off the way off down in there.
She's been a long time, and I'm like, Greg said, why?
So we found some small tracks that look humanish, but
it was the heel was off a little bit and
there's a little bit of curve to it, you know,
Like I'm not an expert, but we took pictures. I
was new at this, and my son took a lot
hour of one of them, but he missed the best
one because he was really experimenting with that early on.
And I wish we would have spent more time. But Dan,
here's what people don't talk about comes into this. Sometimes
when you find evidence and it's really fresh, there's a
fear factor for the individual too. I'm not going to
sit there and cast and turn my back because if
they look. When I was three years old, I learned
really quick not to mess with a mama and his
baby with chickens. So if something that's big, I'm danged.
So we're not gonna mess with baby. But man, there's
there's so much we definitely we're not through. But uh,
there's definitely a lot to get into. Yah, tell us,
tell us tell us about your uh your encounters with
the bigfoot or sasquire how that happened.
Speaker 3: Okay, I couldn't figure out where they were, and I
spent my uh later teens, in all twenties, in all
thirties climbing river bluffs, catching, measuring and winning rettlesnakes. That
was my I love rattlers. I just think they're wonderful.
I love gators, I love all that stuff. So by
the time I was in the bo, by the time
I was in high school, I had my first timber rattler,
and then I went to Florida when I was eighteen.
I came back with a copperhead that I bought for
six bucks because I couldn't find one down there. And
then uh, and then but I did get some really
nice four foot watermarks, and so that was really cool.
And then I couldn't find any diamondbacks. I've been to Florida,
look eighteen times now, it was sixteen. My sister lives
there now. And I'm not going to go in further
with the Florida stuff because because I just haven't had
any Sasquatch experiences there, but I have in Georgia. That
week that I came out and ended up going over
to see David at the expedition, I had my my
UH sports utility vehicle was slammed at two o'clock in
the morning. I had invited and wished that they would
do that, and they did. And I know it wasn't
another person, because I happened to be in a place
that they locked off so that the public couldn't get
in there. Okay. And I was with Keith Bearden that night,
who was out of Georgia and is now in Arizona,
and Keith and I were talking. We had a cougar
walk across the road one hundred feet from us. That
made me decide, okay, I'm going to be here alone tonight.
I think I'm not going to just sleep out like
I normally would, but I decided to stay in the Yukon.
And when Keith dropped me back off at the at
the base on my cooler, there were two oak leaves,
one that was commonly seen right where we were, and
I don't know where the other one came from. I
did look it up to see what kind it was,
but they were placed symmetrically on top of my cooler,
which I found extremely interesting. And then Keith goes, oh,
by the way, you're not alone. I'm like what, And
I look up and right up over my windshield there's
a nice piece of branch that all the It was
like a dead branch, so it was just wood and
it was just hanging in the wind right over my windshield.
Somebody put it there, so that was interesting. So I
just announced to the woods, Okay, if you guys want,
go ahead and take the chow and the cooler, but
would you please let me know you're there. And I'm
hoping to look in the window at me I want
to see you. And I went back and I laid
in bed for laden the seat for an hour. I
fell asleep two o'clock in the morning. Carash Wham is
just one. So I'm all smiles and happy. I got visitors,
and now I'm just waiting for somebody to be peeking
at me. If they did, they did it behind my
back and I couldn't see them. That was one. It
was notable. In twenty I had something else happened in
Arkansas that that month. I don't know exactly what, but
I got vocals and I got some lights going on
that I don't understand, and if it was made by people,
I didn't want to meet them. So I didn't make
myself available because I didn't have I did not have
protection with a handgun or anything, which wouldn't be very
wise to step out with a handgun when there's five
guys that got a handgun on you. So then we're
looking at In Wisconsin, I have a property that I
worked for twelve years and I got vocalizations there. The
first thing that happened to me that was really unusual
was after the vocalization, I got a pack of coyotes
that came in real close best recording I had at
that time. I wasn't using digit I was using the
you know, the other stuff before that, and this pack
of coyoats was just fantastic. I was so happy. I
shut everything down, sat there and relaxed, and all of
a sudden, behind me, somebody sneezed, and I'm like, wait
a minute, wait a minute, because this was right after
the coyotes came by, and so I'm thinking it's guy
the landowner, and she's a little old gal in her
early seventies at the time, and I'm looking back at
the house. It's all black and all shut down. There's
no light there at all whatsoever. I'm completely in the dark.
So I'm thinking of what's going on. Was it a
leg behind? But it was up in the air cougar
because we did have cougar on the property, despite the
fact that there's no cougar in Wisconsin at that time officially,
which is hilarious.
Speaker 4: But anyway, that's another conversation because we can get into that. Yeah,
I ended up the Mountain Lion guy somehow.
Speaker 3: Good. Anyway, I've got a group called Eastern Mountain Lions
online that I take reports.
Speaker 4: I've seen seventeen since nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 3: We've got this audience county.
Speaker 10: So what was the name of the group there, Dan,
I think it's not.
Speaker 3: My Eastern Cougar Mountain Lion something like that. Just perfectly
honest with you. I have over one hundred and fifty groups,
and I administrate them by not letting the wrong people
come in. Right, as long as there's harmony, it works.
As long as there's somebody who's kicking and breaking windows,
I'm sorry they can't play because we don't have time
for that.
Speaker 4: Right, That's just that's distraction. And sometimes, Dan, I think
some of the distractions are on purpose. We won't get
into that, but there's people people that or even people
or groups that like to undermine oh yeah, the truth.
So yeah, well, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, and there's all kinds of problems now because we
have copycat behavior. We have we have people going for clicks,
and we have people that are enhancing situations and truth
and honesty isn't always the golden rule, and et cetera,
et cetera, and we have to be a little bit
more careful. You could have as Thomas Steinberg always are
sett in one of his books, you could have five
people looking at the same thing and have five different
descriptions regarding distance, regarding shape, regarding you know, I mean,
we all perceive things differently sometimes, especially when it's a
short amount of observation, uh, distant and low light. Plus
as you mentioned before, the fear factor. So now what
turned me on to that particular spot. Initially it was
a rail snak call. She claims she had a rally.
I never found it, and the location made me severely
think that she did not have a rally. But she
did have mountain lion and that was really cool, so
that made it worth it. But then one night after
she divorced her husband and she moved into this little
cabin on this private property of just an acre surrounded
by woods, in the middle of a big valley along
the creek. She closed the basement door. They finally something
was down there, and I didn't really know what, but
they closed the basement door, and that night she had
something scream so loud that it literally paralyzed her in
bed for like five minutes at least. She was just
too scared to get out of bed, and so we
should put She thought I was gonna come through the wall,
come through the door, come through the wall. When she'd
never heard it was just a skull splitting screen. She
got up, she moved to the kitchen, and she's got
two small lapdogs with her, and they're hurdled around the
table in the kitchen, and this thing screaming outside, and
she notices rodents coming up out of the floorboards, dis oriented,
unable to walk perfectly. So there was a hitching. There
was a hitch in their gidiap. So of course, I'm thinking,
has this got to do with the vocals? It sure
seems like it, And what options do we have regarding
these kinds of vocals? I can think of something. So
that's why I turned on to her place and started
coming in and trying to do anyway. Within the twelve years,
some of the most unusual things that happened were the
wires were taken out of the leaf ducks that ran
alongside the house for rain. There's ten feet off the ground.
That was why we've taken off and put gently along
the base of the house, those big leaf those big
water trays or ducks, you know, where the water would run.
They would disconnect them and put them over underneath the clothesline. Wow,
they would bring up or some it would bring up
rocks from the creek with moss on it and put
it on the rock letch.
Speaker 4: Dan speaking of that, you know what surprised me because
I started the show to learn more and just like
listening to you, I could listen to you for days.
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna be talking for this.
Speaker 4: Man and I would love but uh what I think
one of the shockers for me not having the resources,
not having you know, like people you were around and
got the soak up knowledge.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing for me was the apparent uh intelligence.
Speaker 3: That's so underestimated.
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, if.
Speaker 3: You tell you what Locke David over at the expeditions
them in a room for an hour and make him
talk and you'll come out just absolutely shocked in the
mist just I haven't had a lot of conversations with him,
but I love every paragraph he sends me, so I
just know how he feels about what they've got going
on upstairs. And I've got private notes from other people
who are shocked out of their mind as to what's
happened to them. And then I've personally had something happen
that being a professional zoologist. You bever be careful who
you tell things like this to, because your credibility can
be shot in seconds. But I had a situation that
was either a confirmation or a coincidence. Happened twice once
out in Idaho with my friend Angeli Gum. I'm part
of the legacy group that she's got out there and
with her son Mitchell, and they've had observations quite a few.
And also what happened. It was funny because Keith Bearden
was involved in that too, because after I had some
things going on out there, I'm driving back across Wyoming
and he calls me. He goes, Hey, I don't know
why I'm calling you, but I just said this urge
to call you. I'm like, what what's up? He goes,
where are you hawaii Oming? Coming back from back Northwest? Okay, Well,
I just got to talking to Ron Morehead and here's
what we talked about. And what he talked about was
almost identical to what we experienced through a person who
claimed mental telepathy with an individual that was exchanging with us.
Now did that really happen? The girls are convinced of it.
It made so much sense, it almost had to. But
yet where are we with mental telepathy. Well, that's just
like the way hypnotism used to be. It wasn't universally accepted.
Now it is much more. And I think that we
have all kinds of things around us that are friends,
that we're just on the outskirts of learning about it,
and once we dive into it, it's going to be amazing.
So in other words, I got thirteen thoughts here. I'll
share this. Last September, I was in northern or western
Wisconsin with a group of twenty other people or so.
They divided to go north and go south, and so
they were out of the area. Everybody was accounted for.
I was with four other people. Three of them left.
I'm left in the campsite alone. And this is really
difficult to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I
thought to myself, Okay, this is perfect. I'm alone. If
you're here, could you let me know I'm not kidding you.
Between one and three seconds later, I got the most
beautiful female sounding and it was about a tenth of
a mile away. And I've got a friend of mine
as this happened once in a while, and her response
was ask them to do it. Again tell them how
nice it was. So I was filled with so much
happy that I forgot to do that. And now it's
got to become an automatic reaction if it ever happens again.
So was that coincidence or was that confirmation? And you
probably have a fifty to fifty right down the middle
on that with people. All I know is that I'll
give you another example of what happened. I got. I
set myself on fire accidentally and in a stressful situation
back in twenty eighteen. I had to go to the
Burn Center in Madison, Wisconsin, and it worked out fine,
but they kept me seventeen days to go through skin
graft surgery out and I had a significant amount of
my leg below my knee burned. And I'm okay. But
what was interesting was when I came back to the
study site, and that's the place where there was a
skull splitting scream, and I got the kyak pack with
a sniff behind me the sneeze. Okay. On the trading block,
I got a plant put there and the plant is burdock,
and I went in to look at the medicinal of
burdock and the roots were ripped off. I'm like, what's
going on with that? I checked it and it's basically said,
that's a. That's a. It works against carcinogens. So it's like, gee,
maybe I don't need that, thank you, Okay, but I
still don't know what's going on. So I'm reading about
burdock and is especially great for topical use on burned areas.
Now I'm like, did they smell this and give it
to me? What's going on? So those are a couple
examples of things that make me go, huh.
Speaker 11: I'm smiling as you're telling saying that because I might
have told you that Roger and people know me growing
up here in southern Apalachia. My grandma was what would
have been referred to as an old granny woman, which
she could go out into the woods and pick out
any herb or whatever you needed, and she could make
whatever you needed to help. Heliaep I remember when I
was growing up, she kept burdack sav on hand for everything.
Anytime I got stun right, anytime I kept I got
sung by bees or an.
Speaker 10: Ant or a sunburn or whatever. Rub some of that
on there, take care of it right away. That let
me interesting.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you a quick, quick version of a story, uh,
priming a carburetor of seventeen friends, some miscommunication, somebody turned
the engine over before I told him to. I ended
up on fire, same spot leg and fire was all
around me. And so this goes into like, is are
these things possible that we're talking about. I'd accepted it
that this was it. I couldn't run, I was surrounded
in fire, I was on fire.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've told any of these people
this yet, but I feel it's important. All of a sudden,
it felt like a cold fingertip touched me right here,
and without thinking about it, my body was turned loose
and I ran with my eyes shut that direction. I
didn't say, ho, I need to go that way, that
safety my body when it I was touched. It just happened,
and I missed three cars. A tree ran by my
sister on fire and she never saw me in the dark.
Ended up in the front yard. So now that's a
long story, but I'm glad you brought that up, because
if that's possible, what else is possible? Right?
Speaker 3: And that is the key question right there, because as
you know, what's going on right now does not make
common soun there's no body publicly key, publicly verified by science,
there's no DNA agreement. It's like a partial and everything
so much historically it was all coming back, well, it's
contaminated human, contaminated human. But if these footprints from the
juveniles are so closely resembling our feet, we can't be
that far away related from at least some of the
species in the complex.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I know you've never heard this. People, other
people have heard this. I did a DNA test maybe
a couple of years ago. Now you're not. I have
a high amount of Neanderthal DNA.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm Norway. So I got some myself.
Speaker 4: So if you go back in history, something happened, right,
and so we don't know what branched off, you know what.
So and finding that out shocked me, but then it
started making me think, well, if that's possible, then what
the same question again? Then what else is possible? They
should keep open mind. And you know, in twenty twenty
talking about this, I wouldn't have known what you were
talking about. But even now, I always before I enter
somewhere that we know where they're there, I hold my
hands out and show no weapons and then I think
in my mind, this is what we're doing. We're not
here to hurt you, you know whatever. And everything since
I started doing that has been more calm, whether they're
not throwing things or picking up things and hitting it
against a tree. So anyway, it's just I don't know
what all this means. But because I've kept open mind
that I'm digging, it seems to be leading somewhere and
I don't want nowhere. But if somebody says, oh, they're
they're just dumb apes or this or or that, I'm like, well,
what about these these DNA tests like you brought up
that come back you know, uh, partially human or whatever,
you know, they all that contamination like you said, And
it's man, it's so frustrating because there's no there's not
a lot of us out here that know how to
I kind of know how to gather evident keep it clean,
but you can breathe on it and contaminate it. So
that's what we need.
Speaker 3: Anything one thing we can I'm gonna be rude and
jump in. One thing, like everybody remember, is when hair
is collected, if you cannot touch it somewhow some way,
that would be great. And then also not a bag
because that promotes moisture and fungus and by and other problems.
So you want to go to a like an envelope
or a paper bag or something like that. So it's
a dry situation for potential hair collection. So that's good
idea being sent to me, hopefully soon, and then that's
going to go out to a couple of research buddies
of mind just to see if we've got everything. And
most often these things are already contaminated because people have
handled them so much. But because that's just you know,
I mean, I had a rock thrown at me that
I picked up on one of my trips down on
the ozarks, and I announced to the other guys, hey,
I'm sorry, but that's mine. And it was the first
time I'd had that happen ever, and so I was
very happy about it. And it was like a four
ounce quartz rock that I keep in my head one fifty.
And what's interesting, though, is we all thought about it
about the same time afterwards. Rather than grabbing it right,
we should have put the vision on it to see
potent you know, to see potential handprint. Yeah, but we
didn't do that. It's just to grab and happy.
Speaker 4: So I've been there, and since I have you here,
I might have sent this to you. But I found
an interesting hair on one morning after my buddy Greg,
he's in here and his aunt Verbiy's in here. Something
pulled on his door one night around two o'clock to
am and they and they frequent his his cabin.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: He told me about it. I'm an hour and a
half away. So I went down and I found greasy
fourarm hair prints and it would have had to reach
the cross. But anyway, this one hair I found. The
first it's about almost three inches long. The first inch
is solid coal black and the rest of it is
like fiber optic clear.
Speaker 3: Have you that interesting?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And then I go digging in what would be
the advantage of an animal having that with dispersion of
light hard to see in low light conditions, blah blah
blah the moon, you know, so basically an animal would
look blurry to us any hard photograph. So not saying
that's what it is, Doug has it right. I might
have messed it up because I put it in playstatements
in it. I know, I'm learning, Yeah, that's exactly right.
Next time something like that happens, you call me immediately.
I say, yes, sir, but but you just did a
good dug impression. I can do a better one, but
I don't, but you can. Uh so, so what kind
of have you run up on? Any hair that that
it was similar to that? That would be black and
turned and look, it didn't fade, It did not fade.
Speaker 3: I heard something from Tunisee. It looked a little bit
like that. When I was in the BFL, I was
working in private property in Virginia. Didn't getting to here
from that private property from Tennessee. We did get air
from that, and uh a number of other different private properties.
And what was interesting to me was a lot of
the evil things that were happening were parallels. So I
could almost guess what was going to happen. In every case.
It was a general interaction. You know, people get Obviously,
we have individuals that aren't all the same. We have youngsters,
we have oldsters, we have grouchy, we have happy, we
have non stressed, we have super stressed, probably have some wounded,
and who knows what else. But in this case, for example,
I had to seven foot two seventeen foot inch prints
in both properties going on at the same time, and
I happened to get butt prints from both of them.
One had a thirty six inch across, the other one
had a thirty four inch across. Just imagine how that
translates to the shoulders.
Speaker 4: What was that was that close to the water the
butt prints?
Speaker 3: The butt print, No, it was it was up the bill.
Speaker 4: I'm asking. I saw it like one laid down one time.
Speaker 3: Neat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was just say the tendens. I gotta do this
because otherwise I forget that. The Tennessee thing was so
cool because up the hill above the house, behind the brush,
there was a cave and a giant stream rock with
LG was taken up there and set in the front
of the cave so you could sit on that rock
not be seen from below, and watch all the activities
in the yard. At the same time. On a hot
day or hot night, you'd have that nice, cool cave
air coming up on your.
Speaker 4: Back and it gets cover to hide to. You know,
you get behind it if you need to, So, I mean, uh,
maybe it wouldn't that big. I'm sorry it was big.
Speaker 3: It was big. But as far as intelligence goes, who's winning. Yeah,
we don't have with all of our technology and equipment,
and as the as the guys who are convinced this
is impossible say, we would have them on game cam.
Well we do, but your mind. Just got a great
cell phone picture the other day. I think it was
either last night or the night before. He's out of Indiana.
Most of the pictures come back horrific, but every once
in a while things align. And he said some great
footprint casts. But if he showed ninety percent of the
stuff he has to the general observer, it would be trashed,
you know, because it's just difficult to get the resolution,
especially with equipment that doesn't bother them. And if you
pull out equipment that does bother them, they're gonna just
you're not gonna have anything to photograph.
Speaker 4: And one thing that gets me, it makes me chuckle inside,
you know, I don't know. I don't laugh at people,
but the non believers, or he would tear you down there, like,
but there's so many cell phone cameras and all these
people have them on. They have a clear picture, I said,
because they're looking at their phone and they're not looking
what's in front of them. Yep, it's a distraction. So
that's all I say. About it. But that's yeah, I've
seen that happen so many times in situations where you
need to be looking were like you said earlier about
other people, that that's the real danger. Of course, we're
walking this trail and I'm scanning, scanning, scanning, and looking
behind and my wife and my mom. There's a guy
six three wearing a bright blue shirt, our jacket and
bright orange pants got within thirty yards of us, and
they never saw him.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying anything about them. It's just you
need to be observant, and if you're not, you're.
Speaker 3: You know, And time and time again we see that
over and over. My fournial partner and I were in
southern Illinois one time, hurping and we were a school
group come and my thoughts were, wouldn't it be cool
to see how close we could be to them without
being seen? So we jumped off the boardwalk, ran through
the swamp, found a few trees stood out where we
should easily be seen. Not one student saw uce.
Speaker 4: They're distracted, they're playing.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't wearing camouflage or guillie suit. If I was,
it'd be impossible to see, you know, So I mean
just you know, I mean they're right under or no,
and then they do obvious things that are that's impossible.
There's no way they would do that. Are you sure
I was the last person on earth to accept tree structures.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now I know that there's an association. I also think
there's a lot of mistakes made by people, But I
also think there's some that are obviously not them that
might be them. And I also know that, uh.
Speaker 4: There's there's a question there. Dan, the hair you found,
it'd have elasticity. I've been told that how would just
pull apart. We found the red hair would just pull apart.
Now I do know. Doug asked me before I sent
this sample, was it rigid or was it wispy? And
I told him it's wispy, which you know, and he's
just he said, good send it. The corser hair is
not what you're looking for.
Speaker 3: Well, you know there's different parts of the body. Yeah,
these guys are highly variable, and I'm gonna give an
example of that in the tracks. Barb Shuper is a
real good friend of mine from Washington, and she told
me her first observation was such that she couldn't figure
out what zoo that gorilla.
Speaker 4: Got out of.
Speaker 3: She did not think it was a sasquatch. He thought
it was a gorilla. Okay, And she's sin seeing others
that don't look like that at all. Okay. And we
have a wide variation of looking footprints. It's not a
carbon copy that well, of course, it's like, well, these
are real and everything else was faked, not necessarily.
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Dan, So, the I found
that trackway the land between the lakes, and they're the
biggest one was shaped different than the There was two
adult looking tracks. Yeah, the big one had the V
shape and the big toes like marshmallows. And then there
was one it had a more uh, I don't even know, parallel.
The edges were parallel that they didn't widen out, and
the toes are a little different. And then the and
the kids, uh whatever looked more human. Uh is that
something you're seeing too? Like it could be a male
female different?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Plus you'd mentioned an eight foot tall female.
We have very very tall females in the women's basketball deal,
So I mean the individual variation for a height can
be very very wide and extreme. You might have full
grown adult females that are only five and a half
feet tall. For all wheks, I've heard of six footers,
and we don't know how small or young they are
when they have their first little one, you know. Getting
back to Barb. The only reason I'm bringing that up
was because over in that same area, Angelique, one of
hers that Sibylla drew, looked almost like a Caucasian person
like one of us. Of course he was much more
handsome according to her. But the beauty of this is
the individual variation. I mean, Sibylla has drawn some that
look like gorillas or apes went out of Texas, went
out of Illinois, out of the Yellowstone National Park. These
don't look like they're the same species, and they often
have giant incisors. They often have the ape type looking
nose that's flat, And of course some of that might
come from if you're standing real close and you're looking
up into the face of a eight footer, his nose
is going to give you a shipload of nostrils simply
because of the angle and how close he is. If
you get back farther, then you might get the hood
of the nose and all that and throw the fear factory.
And I have a buddy of mine that was in
South Dakota and he had a one on one. I'm
not going to take along with this, but he had
a one on one with an individual that the tribe
told him don't take certain trails. Well, you didn't think
about it. And he went to the river the wrong way,
and he has his head down because of the prairie rattlers,
and so he's on his way down the trail and
all of a sudden he realizes there's a tree that moved,
looks something. This thing walks right over to him and
just stares at him. Well, there goes number one, there
goes number two. I'm gonna die. He's like three feet away.
My goodness, he's about had it, and it's eight feet
He turns and starts heading back, thinking that he's going
to get decapitated or something real quick. It stands right
behind him and follows him step by step. He'd take
three steps to every step it took. He got back
towards the buildings, and then it went around him up
on the hill and watched him go back to the buildings.
He has not camped since he quit hunting, and he
absolutely refuses to deal with that because something that couldn't
be was you know so, But I guess what I'm
saying is that we don't know what we're dealing with
yet because there's so many varieties.
Speaker 4: So both of y'all know Sabila, I've never met her.
If next time you talk to her, ask her if
she remembers, like the more human face versus the ape
like face, if if one or the other was a
stressful situation or they were more aggressive. You know what
I'm saying. You see, don't getting that. I've always wondered
about that because I've heard stories took reports, Amanda, you know,
I know you have too, where people were just scared
to death. And I'm wondering, like Dan is talking about,
if there's different types and maybe their brain's not developed
by the shape of the ska and all that science,
and maybe they're a little more aggressive than others because
I've noticed in like in Alabama, they can get aggressive out.
I blame it on the heat and humidity, but that
doesn't joke. I get aggressive to it. But anyway, but
when you get in these other places and and and
another thing, people you have to realize, well, had I
had a bad experience well, you don't know what happened
three years ago. Somebody might have shot it one, you know,
So that's the one. You have to be careful and
once once you are in the area, like Jane Goodall
and getting a relationship with the gorillas and the family
and all that, they start trusting. I feel like we've
earned trust in one spot, which I know, and it's
weird saying absolutes. I know we have by what's gone
on since. Uh, but I feel like, uh, just like
Greg going in and find this new place to hunt.
He goes in and he's competing for them with their
food and they try to run him out many times
until they figure out he's not leaving, and then he
knows what they are. So uh, then you get reports
from back you know, uh, in history of people trading
with them, those stories right there. Hey, I.
Speaker 3: On the gifting block, so I didn't get to see them,
right and speaking of that, I did have a visual
finally I left Alabama. I know, I'm jumping around all
over here.
Speaker 4: You're good. No, hey, half our audience is the same
way as.
Speaker 3: We are, so they don't care.
Speaker 4: It.
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh, yeah, right, working on that. There's unusual beetles,
you know, whatever it happens to be.
Speaker 4: And you got and you've got a big foot standing
close to you, and you don't understand.
Speaker 3: You're looking at They got a buddy of mine actually
in Alabama who associates the presence of the big brown beetles.
They love them, They reading them well in his area.
Speaker 4: So that's very interesting, taking reports of them digging in
the ground. And so that makes sense that they would
take advantage of the nutrition.
Speaker 3: And oh the nutritions all around us, because if we
can eat so many things, they can eat that plus more,
so you know, and then the job our Oh my goodness, gracious. Uh,
it's hard to know where to reflect. I think we're
dealing with different ages, different experiences, different locations, and they
all come with different pressures, different family characteristics, behaviors, and
so some things are easy and unstressed, and other things
are a pain. Rump will still skin and it's problematic,
and you have to really know what the people are
doing so you can operate your schedule without a collision
with these people who happen to have guns, or happen
to yell a lot, or happen to have multi dogs
that give away your location, and so okay, So now
I'm finish up down in Alabama and I get to
meet some more wonderful Alabama people, and I'm in other
numerous other places as well. So I finally got to
meet Angie Williamson. She came over from Georgia, so that
was wonderful. And then up I go toward Tennessee because
one of the BFL guys, and I work with everybody,
everybody because everybody's got a clue, and you know, I
might not agree or I might disagree, but it's like
I'll tell you what I think. I'd like to hear
what you think, and I'd like to know why because
we can all learn stuff. So anyway, I head out
to a new guy's place on his property that I
was told about and hooked up with and stayed there
for four hours in Tennessee, and he had an interesting
situation there where she had a group that there's been
some visuals and there have been some interactions. A lot
of times it was little games and you know, little
items that you can take and give and move around
and things like that, so whether golf balls or whatever. Well,
one of the things he did was he left his
camera on a tripod there for a while. Then he
took it down and the next day he came back.
Here was a structure that looked almost identical to his
tripod with the camera lens with the long ones on it.
And I've got the photos of that, and I'm welcome
to share them, so in the future, I'd be glad
to share that.
Speaker 4: Ye, yeah, definitely. Part two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of his name or locations, show it,
share it. But that's just really really interesting. From there,
I went up to work with a mother daughter friends
of mine in northeastern Indiana, and it's along the river system,
and there had been structures there, there had been other
things there, and I'd gotten a footprint there two years
before and three years before, and uh, I had some
other things with vocalizations going on. Plus the daughter gets footprints,
little gifts. And then the kids, we think, come up
out of the gully and then they pull the hummingbird
feeder and they pull some of the other bird feeders
off and lay them in the grass as a joke.
And then you know, so there's constant movement with things
like that. So I get there, I'm hanging out and
I have supper and Now it's after seven o'clock and
we're talking and I'm looking through the window. This is
such a lazy man's game and my situation. I'm sitting
there looking out the window and talking with her. It's
seven point thirty seven pm, and I see her husband
go by. It doesn't look right. So if you're going
to draw a picture of me looking out the window
with that little cartoon over with that little caption area
cloud over my head, it'd be filled with question marks
and exclamation marks because I don't know what the age
I'm looking at, because it's so surreal. It's gliding, it's
already sprown, and it's tall and lanky, and it's like
so motion and I'm like a fixed and I'm just
absolutely rock solid stared at this. And I'm looking through
a window that's got blinds, so there's increment. There's ten
strips of increment's going and it was a walks by
from right to left. I'm thinking it's got to be
the husband and he'll be coming in the house soon.
That's it. That's it, that's got to be. But he
walks by some white spots on the tree. Now, like huh,
I wonder what that is. So when he goes by
and I'm waiting, and after I timed it a minute
and thirty seven seconds later, the husband comes in. He's
wearing a green shirt, and I'm like, uh, is there
anybody else here on the property right now? No, because
you know this is private and there's nobody here. Why
I didn't really, I just said I might have seen something.
I looked over his wife and she smiled and she goes,
you saw one, didn't she? And I'm like, well, let's see,
And I said, do you mind walking outside and walking
from the shed past the tree down the driveway. I
can do that. So I'm sitting there and she goes
out and does that. A couple of things I didn't mention.
One those white spots. Those were flowers from a flowering dogwood.
And I couldn't see her. She's five to one as
she walked by. Okay, So then I take her place
and have her sit and I said, can you see me?
And I go out. As I walk by, I walk
over those white flowers. Find out well, their white flowers.
Lift my hand up and my hand's going over seven feet.
Initially I let this thing was seven feet tall, but
it was it was an increment two or the flowers
were an increment two. On the blinds it was an
increment four. So it was higher than the It was
like a head higher than the flowers. So my guest
is he was eight feet and I'm lenk you like
a basketball player?
Speaker 4: Uh? I was was this in Alabama?
Speaker 3: This was in northeastern Indiana? Okay, Actually, James Lady is
not terribly far from Detroit in uh, southeastern Michigan. It's
not that terribly far from this location.
Speaker 4: I had a I saw something I'm not gonna say where.
It was tall and lanky and black, head to toe
walking on two legs. I saw it take three steps,
pivot on the right foot and start walking away. But
we're we're moving and we're in the woods.
Speaker 3: But did you say what stated if that's possible?
Speaker 4: It was Alabama? And uh, and I do the what
the crap is that? You know? My son looks out
so that's that's a that's a deer feeder. I'm like, no,
not that I see that, not, but I need to
go and see how tall that deer feeder is. But
what confused me was the lankiness of it. But then
I talked to people. Oh, no, they're all different sizes,
you know, in different areas, And so you're you're there,
was the husband on the way home when you saw.
Speaker 3: This, No, he was with us at supper when he
went out to working around.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, he was gone.
Speaker 3: And you know, I got there maybe five thirty, so
we probably took we probably talked and hung out for
forty minutes before we ate. But it was the precise
time that I saw this individual. Was it seven thirty
seven pm? I'm not sure that. And it was also
between sixteen and seventy feet away from me.
Speaker 4: And that's that's good on your Like a lot of
people panic. Let's give you guys some advice. That'll be
listening tomorrow and whatever. If you happen to seize any anything,
practice on people, practice on deer, practice on whatever. If
you see something I used to do this and it
walks past the tree and there's a spot on that
tree and kind of say, okay, well it looks like
it's about six or seven inches taller than that, and
you can get a good judgment. That's how when people
ask me how tall the first one I saw was,
I said, somewhere between seven and seven and a half
because of it walked under a limb it was, and
then we went later. Of course, my dad laughed, but
I talked him and we went up there and he
had something happen. We measured, so I don't know whether
it was six nine or seven four, but it's in
that range, sure, and that gives you. That gives you
a kind of a guide to go by by. And
you you're not gonna be perfect, but and I do
understand y'all that it's so hard, but if you practice
doing that anyway, yep, and then it becomes a natural thing.
Speaker 3: So right along those, I've got a buddy of a
buddy of mine who is a police officer. I'm gonna
call him a buddy because we've spent a lot of
time talking and I need to get back with him
to finish smart work. But I'm an illustrator as well,
by the way, and I'll prove that eventually. So what
happened is this was like in ninety four and he
was at his grandfather's place. I just retired now, and
he was up visiting his grandfather where they were gonna
hunt deer. But he came in early and something banged
the side of the house and he's getting some vocalizations
that were very, very intimidating. So the first night, I
don't think he slept at all. And the second night
he still was nervous, and something hit the house again.
And he's attributing it to like a local area, like
with a air force or something where maybe some of
the guys are just relaxing and drinking and just going
out in the woods and relax, you know, having a
good time. And he steps outside of the building and
here is an eight footer with its hand on a tree,
and he said, I was thirty feet away perfectly at
ten o'clock in the morning. He said, I thought I
was going to die. I thought he was going to
kill me. He was not interested in the aggression at all.
It was all curiosity. And he said, I make a living.
I made a living being a police officer by guessing
distance and guessing body masks in adversaries and whether or
not what I would have to do to stay safe
for to help other people. And he said, its hand
was eight up by its head and its head was
eight feet four inch off the ground. He said, I'm
not kidding you. The biggest person that he was familiar
with was Shack, because Shack is an honorary police officer
in Arizona, and so he visited them in conferences. And
also he had another fellow who was one of the
bad guys, was a six foot nine, four hundred some
pound guy, and he said this thing would make those
guys look tiny. He said it had to be eight
hundred pounds. It was built five foot wide shoulders, and
he drew it for me. The only mistakes he made
was the shoulders out wide enough, which I'm going to
make adjustments on. But I will send that to you.
He's published it in places in my private groups, you know,
so I can do that anyway. That was very very
ape looking. That was northwestern lower portion of Michigan, which
is really interesting. I had a Wisconsin report I got
through my friend Barnaby with caps Barnabie Jones, And this
particular individual lived within twenty five miles of where I
grew up, and he was out doing mushrooms with a
friend moreles and and they were several days worth of stuff,
but they got whistles, they got followed. One day they
were up on the hill, they found a giant nest
like an eagle nest, but much heavier wood with some weaving,
and it was solid. It wasn't going anywhere. Well before
he got to it, they were farther up the hill.
He took a whiz behind a tree, and he came
down to the nest and he heard a vocal, looked
up and where he whizzed, here was this giant man
who he thought was a giant farmer with a monkey
mask on.
Speaker 4: It's funny how your mind does when.
Speaker 3: It came down the hill toward him. He froze, He
felt paralyzed, He felt like he couldn't do anything. And
his buddy down the hill. And this is along the
Mississippi River, by the way, in southern Wisconsin. And long
story short, there was no aggression. It was all curiosity.
But the one comment he made about it was as
big as he was, the genitalia on the sky you
could barely see it. And that is a great ape
characteristic sasquatch reports, where the genitalia is equivalent to our ratios, right,
you know, and obviously we are highly variable, they are
highly variable. I'm sure there's so many things that we
can take into consideration, but how could all if this
is all bs and If this is all, there's nothing
to it, how can we have all these as as
Cliff Brackman calls it, all this congruent information that mirrors itself,
coming from so many different isolated places, from people who
don't want to spend time with this. Exactly, they have
no choice because they're life has been completely changed knowing
what might be looking in the window.
Speaker 4: So I knew. I knew when you said this, this
word was gonna bring very acts to the table. So
when you say paralyzed, uh, very acts. And I have
experienced this. Where did he try to move and couldn't
move or he was just paralyzed from shot?
Speaker 3: I'll have to talk to him further, okay, because it's
right down the middle, okay, And I would hit to
say either way, because I just don't know. But we
do know people have actually tried to move and simply couldn't.
Speaker 4: I'm one of them. But I didn't. I didn't see
a bigfoot though it was it was about it was
about seventy five yards where I eventually saw the bigfoot,
And it was probably a year or two before. And
I can tell you that story sometimes they've they've heard
it a lot. But I was trying to move and
I couldn't. I couldn't go forward. And in my head,
here you go Dan. In my head that I was
like eleven years old, maybe twelve, I said, if if
you'll let me go, I'll turn around and go back
to the house. I won't come back today. And everything released,
and I did it. I turned around and so VARIAX
had something similar happened to him. Was it David Ellis
or somebody? There's several other people that's had it happen,
but it's weird. Maybe it wasn't David. It's it's somebody
that watches the show, watches Doug show. If you're in here,
let us know, get a force Field show.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, so what it does is it puts this in
your mind. And you know, I saw a documentary many
years later, maybe a couple of decades, where I learned
about the infrasound and how it affects prey and humans
and all that, and I got up on the edge
of my seat. I was like, wait what because that
just blew my mind. I wouldn't, you know. I didn't
take a lot of science classes and all that. I
understand a lot of it, but I was exposed to
that on a documentary about animals, not Bigfoot, and they
and that's another thing you can measure. You can measure,
you know, the hurts. I guess. So yeah, as soon
as I heard that, Yeah, and Troy Allen like, listen
to your gut always, no matter what situation, always listen
to your gut.
Speaker 3: Yep, I agree.
Speaker 11: Speaking immeasurable, I actually made it. Really just had a
really interesting observation. If we can go back to your
encounter where you saw the sasquatch n of the being
you know, through the blinds and had the lady go
out there. I find it really interesting that, you know,
you see that. Within just a couple of minutes, the
husband comes in and they, you know, they say it
was like, oh, you've seen them, and you ask them to,
you know, to go out so that way they can
measure it.
Speaker 10: If it was me, if that had happened, to be like, hey, no, I'm.
Speaker 11: Not going out.
Speaker 10: I don't want to be an ordy.
Speaker 11: So that to me just shows how comfortable those people
are of that property and the things out there. Or
maybe that's just my thought process.
Speaker 2: But my.
Speaker 3: Hand's gonna go up, my finger's gonna go up, and
I'm just gonna say, choose your friends carefully. Yeah, because
I've had too many experiences that I particularly weren't fond of.
Maybe I didn't know the people, well, maybe they didn't
know me. Well, maybe there were other things. But if
you need to be comfortable with who you're at, with
where you're at, and so I try to meet everybody
and find out what we're all best suited for and
geared toward that, because nobody wants to feel uncomfortable. We
need to keep this fun.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: It's really weird for me because I'm the one that
goes out and does all the stuff wrong. Remember I
mentioned I was unorthodox, So when you're not supposed to whistle,
I'm out there alone, walk on the trail in the dark,
whistling saying come on, guys, come on, come on. And
I've taken reports where a house owner sent their son
out the sun, walks out around the corner, walks right
into a giant mail and this in this particular situation,
it was the Cumberland Beast group of people that we
had on Doug's show. That's one of the reasons why
I was working with him at that time because I
was long story short. I had a lot to do
with bringing people in for that, you know, witnesses. But anyway,
this young fellow was about four hundred pounds, six feet six,
and he walked into a big mail and he said,
I walked into his stomach and I heard him grunt,
and I freaked and I ran back into the house.
And so I mean, we're all vulnerable, and some days
we have days where isn't it take much to scare us?
But I decided long ago after looking at all the statistics,
you know, John Green's book and everybody else's. If you're curious,
if you're interesting, and you don't pose a threat, you
should be able to get away with a lot of
stuff regarding how close you can come, and you know
you don't have to be aggressive. Plus the fact is
it possible some of these guys are mirroring our behavior.
So if you're been able to shape nervous, have weapons
all all you know, we got all our are We're
just twisted, we're ready to, you know, do things we shouldn't,
and we're upset, and if they're mirroring any of that,
it's got to make them nervous. I've got private stories
or private explanations of what happened with certain people when
they behaved a certain way and wasn't particularly good, you know.
And Shane told me right up, he said, look, if
you come in and they hit you with rocks, I'm
going to be faced with having to send you back
because trying to get a nice general atmosphere here and
not aggression, and we need patient people. And so I'm
all that, I uh, it's I'll drive across the contrary
for the right footprint. Basically, well.
Speaker 4: For the people that are here this, I'm like, well,
that sounds crazy. How would they know. My dog knows
in the morning if I'm upset, if I'm sad, if
I'm happy, they mirror me, so they come over and
console me. So if if the dogs can do it,
if I can find it in nature in one instance,
then it's possible to me until you've proven otherwise.
Speaker 3: And we know it's so little really, but we're pretty
damn arrogant, so we think we know everything. That's the
funny part. That's yeah, four or five years from now,
I was like, oh, we didn't take this into consideration.
It's like it's like when the when the when the
uh bondo apes. You know, the billy apes came out.
Oh my god, they've got to be hybridized with gorillas.
Oh my god, they've got to be a new species.
Oh my god. They're damn near like sasquatches. But it
turns out that they're just another cultural, different, larger Eastern
group population in chimpanzees in the Northern Democratic Area of Congo.
So you know, the facts come out eventually, but we
jumped to conclusions sometimes because we're excited.
Speaker 4: And you know, for you, you know, we'll we'll we're
getting close to two hours, we won't you know, you're
got No, that's I mean, no, it's been great conversation
twenty minutes man, No and no, And I appreciate you
know you being here and and but the thing is
this conversation is valuable because of you know, what you're
trained in and but you had the curiosity, uh to
It took a lot of I know you you joke
and blame it on your and the bed, but he
took a lot of courage to cross that line. And
for people like us that know, but nobody takes it
seriously outside of this group. Well, I want to thank
you for doing that.
Speaker 3: Sure, well, thank you, Yes, sir, you're one of the
first people who actually said that to me. I appreciate.
Speaker 4: I know, I know what you chant, I know what
you gambled.
Speaker 3: Well, and you see how you see how interested and
I am. But I am in it after all these yours.
I just want to know more stuff. I want to
increase the likelihood I have experiences. I'm just indebted to
all the people that have invited me over where crazy
stuff went down and I could walk away going crap.
That was scary, man.
Speaker 10: I know.
Speaker 3: And look when when you break a stick real close.
And I remember back in two thousand and oh two,
I was in Tennessee. I had a chance to look
over Ravine to see and I just couldn't do it,
you know, made me very nervous. But that was the
one example. Well, that happens to all of us. Sometimes.
Speaker 4: Everybody I've talked to you said, you're a really nice guy.
You're you You're talking. The way the way you talk
and how you your views are makes people comfortable. I
can already see that. So you'll get more you'll get
more access to areas than the normal, you know, because
people it's a trust thing. First of all. All of
this is trust. You know, whether they're dealing with the
Sasquatch or whatever you want to call them, we call
them boggers down here, and it's just uh. People listen
to Dan and learn from him, not just the information
he has, but how he got the information. That's very
important to UH. Don't just go in kicking the gates
down and say, hey, I want to come big foot
hunting on here. Don't don't do that. You got to
know the people. You got to know the area, you
know to got to know their traditions.
Speaker 3: Find the history, find out what you can learn, use
your advantage, find out what they did, find out what
they bother them, and stick to it. They don't want
you to do in something a certain way, but don't
do it. That's a great way to make enemies and
you're not be invited back again.
Speaker 4: We've got one of the best spots to go to
Iro and a half from here, and my buddy, my
buddy's like, y'all can come down here and sit on
the porch, or we can go out in the woods,
or you can go down to the river and do that.
Don't hit any trees, don't be screaming and hollering, don't
do any calls because y'all are going to go back
an hour and halfway. And I got to live with them.
Don't make them out right.
Speaker 3: Well, I took this year. I took many months to
study Frederll's Alaska Sasquatch reports. He's got a minimum of
two hundred and seventy five of them. Oh, I read
and studied them all. And I haven't talked too much
on the phone, but I did. We went back and
forth a little bit, and I get I get his philosophy,
but you keyed it right there. We got to live
with them, and they got cousins and brothers and neighbors visit,
and we don't know them, and we don't know exactly
who's going to do what when how, and you know,
so there's a lot of factors involved. I got a
new report in one of our local counties, and one
of my new projects is going to be I want
to get recordings in all these different counties and then
try to hone in on tea areas and then try
to get try to help David Ellis a little bit,
we'll call it anyway, long story short, I hit a
new county. I got a new boss and I asked
him about it. I said, you're an outdoorsman, what do
you know And he said, I got a buddy of
mine as Native American, he'll probably talk to you, so okay,
And I told him, here's what I'm after, and he said,
I'll tell him. He came back and he gave me
the exact locations where I needed to go. But he said,
I'm not going out there with you. And the answer
was because if they decide they don't like you, they
might be mad at me for bringing you here. Absolutely,
and that's intriguing, interesting aspect to this why it's a
good idea to behave properly professionally. People are happy and
they're glad to see that might reflect on what we're
looking for, right.
Speaker 4: And I couldn't have said it any better. Y'all. We
try to I'm trying to get educated. I'm trying to
help you guys, and Dan just this has been a
great conversation. I definitely want to continue this down the
line and I'll call you and we'll talk about some
of the other Yeah, I've learned more about wildlife since
twenty twenty and my neck of the woods and other
states and then I have my whole life because of
studying this. Yeah, and you have to know, you have
to you have to know, like you said, you know
the sounds your memory bank, so you'll know warning sounds
for this and or something's in distress or so you
can ide it and know that it's not what you're
looking for. And when you're in the dark, everybody knows.
When you're in the dark one o'clock in the morning,
and you hear something that you've heard of me in time,
that might sound different.
Speaker 3: So's there's deer drums for something else. But those squirrels
make a heck of a lot of noise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just And like you said, one of my
favorite things you said tonight, which coming from a hunting background,
when we had that, I'll just say the fit was
thrown and it was throwing big big rocks and mumbling
and pacing in the circle, and the little one screaming uh.
Before that started. Before it started, we noticed some birds
flew out of a true eat and went, uh, I
think it went southeast. They went about southeast, and I
told my son, I said, something just flushed those birds
and they weren't hanging around, so just keep because I
was thinking more like some other predator, right you hog
or coats or whatever. I wasn't thinking that was about
to happen. But pay attention to your other animals.
Speaker 3: Yep, Flat Rock just made a great comment regarding a gateway.
You know, the gateway to study in Sasquatch just opens
the door for other wildlife, but the other wildlife opened
the door for him for them.
Speaker 10: Ye, it works both ways.
Speaker 3: Incredible network. Yes, and that's one of the reasons I
love doing this because of all the wonderful people I've
been fortunate enough to meet. And thank you you too,
because you're obviously in the mix. Thank you very very much.
Speaker 4: Well, and here, here's what we're gonna Where's what we're
gonna do. So we'll end here, and y'all, y'all know,
Doug and I have been doing some music for fun
or whatever. He wants me to play one.
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's my favorite two and so far.
Speaker 4: Well, we've got a song that I wrote, he produced,
I'll play that. We've been doing that for about four
months now and might be able to do something with it.
I might can help you out. Yeah, I can do
a little bit myself, but I can't produce like Doug does.
He's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is an amazing He's not really a
human being. He's something I know he doesn't think.
Speaker 4: I think he's a vampire.
Speaker 3: But he's sure tricks flying squirrels. I know that.
Speaker 4: I've heard some stories over the phone that I can't tell.
It's like a hilarious So here's what we do.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: I've got a song I wrote. It's called a free
Range Soul and it's it's about a guy that kind
of stepped out of the way of life and let
it go on its pace. He lived it, he's living
in his own pace. It's one of my favorites. I'm
gonna give you a little heads up, du if you
listen to the beat of this U and Dan, he
won't doubt this when I say this, Doug. The pace
of the song. Doug looked up the pace of a
galloping horse and mimicked it and put it in beat
by beat. So I can't get a picture of a
horse galloping out of my head. And I know this
doesn't have anything the Bigfoot. It's just with Bigfoot. It's
just something we do for fun and people that are
listening tomorrow on Spotify, turn it up, enjoy and then
we'll do our outro and we'll get out of here.
Thank y'all so much for being here. Thank you Dan,
Thank everybody, Uh the donations. We didn't say anything, but
we're shocked when that happens. Thank you so and I'm
gonna play this and we'll we'll end it. Y'all have
a great weekend and look forward to talking to you again,
mister Dan.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.
Speaker 4: And here's here's free Range Soul by Eli Colter, written
by me and Doug.
Speaker 12: Gotcha time to leave past me by I just chipped
my hat, stepped down over his wheel, never got swallowed
up in the tide, over the crowd.
Speaker 7: I dimmed myself out of there again.
Speaker 3: Dust on my boots, shun.
Speaker 7: On my back.
Speaker 3: A man learns early what I can't eat back.
Speaker 5: I come on, any man. The ties is horse where
the water rons came.
Speaker 4: We're the tall brass brands say, and.
Speaker 6: The characters ring, and the sky stays alive between.
Speaker 4: He ain't worried about promises. It's old world.
Speaker 6: Can't key.
Speaker 4: You can't tame a free range sword, A comrade, roast deep.
Speaker 5: I'm just a free range so We're a true grit smile,
never complaints.
Speaker 13: Won't get tamed at.
Speaker 3: Him crooked man's game.
Speaker 5: I stand tall in the side, Never turn on friends.
Speaker 3: You can't change my free range soul.
Speaker 2: OI lose.
Speaker 5: Why some are I want along its line? Heard the
coils cry.
Speaker 6: There's a canopy son a longs.
Speaker 14: Some men live near the midnight sky. Some chase gold,
some chase goots, some just arriving when little free range
soul and knows that costs.
Speaker 5: Chains, and I won't.
Speaker 12: I'm again, I please.
Speaker 7: My own trail steeps it in the saddle, surehanded him
the rain, smart enough to.
Speaker 14: Know you can't rope to win, hold back the plane.
These callouses tell stories, some dust and stubborn days.
Speaker 5: At the end of the trail.
Speaker 2: I can't all.
Speaker 4: For this silple cowfold.
Speaker 5: I'm just a freeze rain. So with a true great
smile and ever complaints walm cat sangled up.
Speaker 12: Hen crooked Nunning's games.
Speaker 5: I stands all in the saddle, Never turned on friends.
Speaker 10: You can't keep my free ring.
Speaker 6: You'll never get the chill.
Speaker 4: You'll never get the chill.
Speaker 8: Down in the barns, where the water runs black, where
the moss hags low and the night leans back the
stores with f about a shadow tall, big feet moving
where the moon that fault.
Speaker 6: Some say it some saved ghost in the trees.
Speaker 4: Some say it trouble blowing in with the breeze.
Speaker 15: But around here, man, we know the call, or we
just calling friends the squatching howler, So lie that.
Speaker 16: Fer let the cat tell.
Speaker 5: Say hit the nber copperheads wading hereund in the Georgia fault.
Speaker 3: That ain't no man, anything, ain't no go.
Speaker 16: When a creek groll's cold and the shadows get taller. Yeah,
your brother in a squatting it just walt get.
Speaker 5: A brave man.
Speaker 16: But I mind your stamping and squatching.
Speaker 13: How boody tell me stories about the thing in saut
to ten foot high with a tomb.
Speaker 16: But y'all red ice burning like a summer's coat, least
track thig enough to swallow your sober.
Speaker 5: The old folks laugh, say.
Speaker 13: Don't you fear if crit has been living here for
hundreds of years, treat them with respect.
Speaker 15: When the moon gets smaller and they'll let you live
in squatching, holler sold that fire.
Speaker 13: Hell, let the swamp drum roll.
Speaker 2: You can hear that beast right down in your soul.
Speaker 13: If you hear her ground from the river, call it
ain't no boat frout balking that lord.
Speaker 16: Little swamp runners stealing the crickets get salt to y'all
lie alone in the spotting hollow weather brave thing.
Speaker 4: Ties in the fools off nother horder.
Speaker 16: Can't watching that spatching holler.
Speaker 13: Some say guards it old pine ridge.
Speaker 8: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge, warm things show.
Speaker 15: When the night comes down, something big still calls it scrowned.
Speaker 13: So bank that fall and the night get deep at
the willows win for whither cut up creeps. If you
catch us glimpse through the midnight, holler, just now your head, don't.
Speaker 16: Scream, and holler the brother wild on stree and the
legends get taller at the wherever it runs in swatching Holly,
we ain't scared, but we show stayed cast us down.
Speaker 4: In the corner that squatching hole.
Speaker 12: M h
Speaker 7: M