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Speaker 1: Welcome to Squatching Holler.

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Speaker 2: In the midst where the trees lean loom. Squatching Holler's

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gotta tell the show.

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Speaker 3: Wisps creep like creature's faint out. Every shadow's got a

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secret to grow?

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Speaker 4: Monsters rise? Where the stories are told? Squatching hollow? Where

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the legends are born?

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Speaker 2: Are they?

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Speaker 5: Are they gone? Who can say?

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Speaker 2: In the hollow of the truth your slips? Which huge

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footprints faed? Where the creek runs thand a lantern sways?

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Let the search beak in rustling leaves. But there's no.

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Speaker 6: One there, is it the wind or the beast you fear?

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Every year goes a question. Every russell's a clue. Spotching

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hollis got its eyes on you. Monsters stories are torn?

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Spatching how where.

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Speaker 7: The legends are born?

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Speaker 5: Are they? Are they gone? Who can say?

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Speaker 2: They are.

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Speaker 8: Not seen?

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Speaker 9: And now you're Squatching Holler. Hosts Roger Williams, Amanda Stowers

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and Ashley Rags. Remember this podcast can be downloaded everywhere

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great podcasts are found. And now the show.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hello, this thing on?

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Speaker 10: Yes it is? How are you decending?

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Speaker 4: Roger doing good? I barely made it, y'all, taking a nap,

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didn't wake up in time, Amanda's panic intextion are you coming,

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and like, oh my god.

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Speaker 10: It's like tent like, uh, you're usually here by now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I usually try to get in about thirty minutes early,

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make sure everything's working. But y'all mentioning without mentioning. In

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light of what's happened in the past couple of weeks

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with other Cryptid channels, I've been advised to say this

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this show is for entertainment purposes only. Eye roll. That's

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my I added that black part. But anyway, so some

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of you guys that know what's been going on kind

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of understand that. So tonight you know we've got Dan Nadrello.

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That's it, right, Amanda.

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Speaker 10: Yep, you did it good.

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Speaker 4: It's close. It's close. Yeah. Yeah, I was having a

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Yarrington moment, Blackie. Uh So tonight, Dan Wisconsin Sasquat researcher,

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wildlife photographer, retired d NR biologists herpetologist. Past employment National

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Wildlife Federation, private zoo keeper contracted with the Department of

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the Army, the Nature Conservancy, Trout Unlimited Highway Department private contractors,

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DNR Environmental Surveys, former BFRO independent researcher. Three sightings he's squashing.

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I'm skipping. So he's squashed in twenty six states. He

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spoke in Alabama last June sixth. Next one is Missouri

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a big Foot conference October twenty sixth, So y'all can

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check that out and if some of you are in

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the area, go, you know, go see them. And I

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you know, when I started this show, I wanted every

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point of view, and I saw Dan. You know, I

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don't you add people that show up or you see

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on other shows. And he's been interesting. I've been talking

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to him a little bit on Messenger and sending him things.

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He's been collecting, you know, evidence or sounds, taking reports

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of what they look like. You know, you got the audio,

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and just I could tell he was really serious about

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collecting data. And uh, he's always been really thankful if

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I send him something or whatever. And I just he

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seems like a great guy, you know, and some people

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you're just drawn to, and Dan's one of those guys

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for me, even though we haven't met just briefly backstage,

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I know you you know, a lot of times we'll

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go and watch shows to prepare. Amanda's been watching shows,

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Speaker 10: Like to do a little bit of homework.

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Speaker 4: It's part of the research, right, I know, right, that's right.

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And you know I put Bigfoot hunter in the title,

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and a lot of people they'll look at that and

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they'll clutch their pearls, you know, and I'm like, but

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hunting doesn't necessarily mean you know, bagging, right, So you know,

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collecting information like Amanda, you and you and Dan would

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get along great because you know you do that every

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day or every day that you're at the museum and

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taking reports and stuff. So I can't I'm sorry, I

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can't look at look at the chat because Hillary and

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a few others try to get me laughing. But let's

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bring Dan in and thank you for joining us. Well,

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you know a lot of us were introduced to this

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by accident, something happened, like in my past and Amanda's

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past most of the chat here, something that's happened to

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draw them to the subject didn't ask to be drawn in.

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And with your background, what what drew you to this subject?

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Speaker 3: Mainly curiosity? Missus Weber. I was in fifth grade and

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I loved all kinds of animals. I decided, since it

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wasn't likely I was going to find any dinosaurs, I

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was stuck with the current skilled creatures, so I was

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process of studying them. I think by the time I

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was in eighth grade, I knew all the Latin names

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to all the herbs or reptiles and amphibians in my

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state of Wisconsin. By the time I graduated from high school,

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I knew all the Latin names for all of them

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in the entire United States. I was that deeply into it.

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dad died when I was five. We moved in with

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my mom's dad and he died the same month, and

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they're thinking, Holy you know what, there ain't no guarantees here. Now,

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what the age am I doing on this planet? And

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what do I want to get done? And one is

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I want to see the damn thing. What am I do?

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What trips my trigger the most animals? So that was

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going to I knew I was going to be a zoologist,

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and I knew I was going to be a herpetologist,

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but why stop there? So remember I'm thinking this when

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I'm five, six, seven, eight years old. All the other

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kids had goldfish. I had a bullfrog or green frog, tadpole,

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Speaker 11: You know right, so real quick for those of us

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are people who might be listening and not know what

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is is.

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Speaker 10: A herpetologist.

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Speaker 3: Libetologists is a scientist who studies reptiles and amphibians. Reptiles

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being the scaled, thick skinned animals such as turtles, lizards, snakes,

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the tuitara, crocodilians versus the amphibians which going through a

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body change of metamorphosis, toads, frogs, salamanders, and sicilians, which

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a lot of people I've never heard of, which is

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more tropical. Anyway, As far as getting back to your question,

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and you mean, didn't mean to be rude, sidestep everything.

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Speaker 4: You fit in good here. We do it all the time, okay.

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Speaker 3: And by the way you talk and entertainment, I love

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that song. Of all the podcasts I've listened to, that

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might be my favorite one.

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you that all the credit goes to doug

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Ie Tech on that one.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 4: I discussed, we discussed what we wanted and I call

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it the hot check Matchick the magic.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's amazing fellow. I know it was funny because

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the first day I met him, he brought me into

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his office at his house and the next thing I knew,

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I was sitting next to Matt Moneymaker. So that was

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my first day with Doug and Matt, and which was

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really hilarious because when I used to take BF reports

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BFIH reports, I often wasn't home. I didn't have a

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cell phone, and so my eighty some year old grandmother

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would be desensitizing the very scared people on the other

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end of the phone and making good friends with people

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all over the country. So she talked to Matt before

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long before I did. So that's just kind of comical.

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So how did I get interested in this? I was

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in fifth grade, missus Webers said a honorable snowman. I thought,

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you've got to be hitting me. So I hit the encyclopedia,

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went right to the Hillary and Shirpa's situation in the Himalayas,

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and yetty, you know, And so I'm thinking, there are

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adults that take this seriously?

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Speaker 10: Why?

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Speaker 3: And that was the premise for everything I did. I

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never met adults that took it seriously until I was

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forties when I joined the BFR Row and a few

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other but I just couldn't old conversations because number one,

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nobody knew took the time to study something so ridiculous

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and nobody had any knowledge of it, so it couldn't

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be real, you know. And so I was fighting that

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in solitude and studying the literature as crazy as I could.

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my parents' asquatch. I didn't get to see the soundmaker,

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but it was in a church camp. I was fourteen,

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and we had something hissed at us, like a pictuufous

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bull snake or playing snake or gopher snake, all of

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that genus, and they it was so loud, it was unbelievable,

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and it was evading all the lights. All the students

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or the kids were in flashlights and we couldn't see

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it and was staying behind the vegetation splashing at the

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leak edge in northern Wisconsin. And I thought, okay, I've

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got to become a well lived belligious too, because I

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want to know what everything sounds like. I was at

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age fourteen, you know, and then nothing happened until I

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Speaker 4: That sounds similar. That sounds similar to mine. It's like

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deciding at fourteen and then thirty something years went by. Yeah,

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and I stayed in the woods and nothing happened. And

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then in twenty twenty, I got a me and my

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son got a rock thrown at us, tossed at us,

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and it all started. All that memory came back and

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to ask, and I'd let you know I was wanted

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to ask it because we always say what would it take?

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we all know I mean, and I want to say this.

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scared to say it was bigfoot. But the tracks, you know,

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and when they're eighteen inches long and you know, eight

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so he was scared to say, true were bigfoot tracks. Dan,

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if you see a deer in the field and you

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know they're deer in the area, and you come back

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two weeks from now and you see fresh tracks from

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the deer, you kind of know.

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Speaker 3: What that is, right exactly.

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Speaker 4: So So anyway, eight So anyway, I was like, why

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what I'm sure a lot of us will know. Let's

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say Dan wanted to prove this and he thought he

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Speaker 3: Well, my memory isn't my memory isn't perfect. So I

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did a little research on that just to make sure

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I was on top of the game. And so I'm

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just going to go through it. So that's systematically all there.

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analysis of why you think it is a different species. So,

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in other words, you're photographing it, you're making you know, segmentation,

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wing division, wing placement, anten of differences, what deciphers that

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particular creature as a different species. And with some animals,

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you can look at two and they're different species, but

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they don't look like it, so they're you know, the

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speciation thing. It comes down to the next step, which

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is genetic testing. In other words, what's the DNA on

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this puppy and how is that working for you? Because

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black rat snakes in north central America. Excuse me, northern

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North America. Okay, central North America. It's even been called

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the central rat snack, and then more genetic tests, then

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it was the Midland rat snack, and then they changed

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the black to the gray rat snack, and then they

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changed it back to central rat snake. And for me,

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it's like, are you guys nuts? And in the Latin

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to obsolete. It's just like, my first question is how

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much beer are you guys drinking? And who's the alpha

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male that's taken credit for these changes? It turns out

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it's hilarious the stuff that happens behind the scenes, you know.

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in publication and so it's preserved. Now you we're still

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not done. It's the next thing we have is comparisons

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it doesn't match any and if you're talking insects, you're

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talking how many thousand, and then you go his publication

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to a journal, and then you have to have consist

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consensus acceptance. So it's pretty there's a lot of steps involved, right,

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and there are subdivisions behind those as well. Now, obviously

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with an insect or an antelope or even a big cat,

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there were different color phases of cheetah king cheetah. There's

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been some questions about what's going on with jaguars. Obviously

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we've got black and the regular spotty color, and we've

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had other animals that looked almost in between. Possibly were

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they hybridize between jaguar and mountain lion, which has actually happened,

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but very rarely and almost always those hybrids are infertile.

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A good examples of black panther. In the United States,

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we've only got several options, one an exotic, which would

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be most likely a black jaguar. Some say jaguars are

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common and are still abundant in certain states with the

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mountainous areas, such as Arkansas, north of Texas, north of

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New Mexico, north of Arizona. I was talking to steven

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lost him, he passed away. He had told me that

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he had seen a black panther, and of course most

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of these we don't have a verified black cougar yet.

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I was just sharing some images with Marie with her

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group Mid Florida Mid America or Mid Florida Research Group,

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and a fellow had luckily caught some great video over

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Florida panther, but it got into some lighting where it

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looked black, and that could certainly answer some of this.

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but I also have friends that have seen or contacts

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that have seen red eyed glowing China. Black cats don't

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seem to match any of our non natural phenomena. So

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have you ever heard.

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Speaker 4: Of a have you ever heard of a JAGGARUNDI? Yes,

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and I saw something here when I was seventeen, had

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no idea was diging diging digging. I mean I rode

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up just a few feet from it. I've surprised it

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on the car and so I'm thinking possibly some of

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these sightings, and this ties into the bigfoot subject too,

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some of these sightings around here of the black panther

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possibly could be the rare jagg Arundi. And I learned

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that just a couple of years ago watching another show

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and Bama Murder. People here know who that is. So

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he was talking about a jagg Arundy in Alabama, and

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when I looked up the picture, I was like the

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mystery all those decades, I didn't know what it was.

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But anyway, so y'all see either I'm setting up this

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show by first off, if you don't have a specimen,

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it's very it's there. You're not going to get anywhere,

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right if you don't have blood to test, and and unfortunately,

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you know, we know what would have to happen or

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you know, accidentally or whatever. But but to get this

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proven that you're going to have to bring a specimen in.

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So you know, we we have pictures and audio, uh sightings.

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You know, some of us have all of that, uh

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found trackways in areas where their reports and the only

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people that pay attention, it seems, are the people that

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know or are curious, like you, ah, what could these

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things be real? And then they come to these shows

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and and and the doc documentaries to kind of learn.

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So I think that's where people like you come in.

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You I wonst say crossed the line, because that's a

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big step for somebody.

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Speaker 3: In credibility to get shot, and then you've got people

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talking to you. I've lost significant funds in my speaking

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engagements because somebody found out that I was. I was

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taking sasquatches, real, taking them seriously, and I had good

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reason to do that, but it's very difficult to share

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that with somebody in twenty four hours, so they can

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even get a fraction of what you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So how did you break into the bigfoot groups?

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You said you ended up at Doug's house, but did

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you go on a search like a lot of us have.

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First it started with researching and watching this or that,

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and then to actually step in with people. How did

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that go?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'll be glad to explain my situation. I

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had done as big a literature search as I could

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do pre internet, and once the Internet came up, there

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were vocalization claims. Well you got to check that out.

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And basically, after my mom passed, my sister made me

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a bet she doesn't remember this. She said, okay, number one,

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I'll bet you don't become computer literate. I'm not going

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to claim that I have, and number two, I'll bet

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you don't network professionally chasing the big airy giants. And

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when she says, I know you want to, and I

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did so badly, but I knew what it was going

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to do to me if I had entered that door. Well,

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I decided not to let my little sister went to bet.

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So I entered the door and I got online. I

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started following up reports. They kept coming back to this

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organization called BFRORO. And I didn't know anybody in the

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organization at the time. I did, but I didn't know

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they were in it. There was some secrecy. There was

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one particular man that was constantly putting up reports, and

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I saw he flirted with several that claimed were coming

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out of Wisconsin. So I started hitting him with questions.

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Little did I know at the time it was Matt's

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partner back in two thousand and I started hitting him

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with a lot of questions. Finally he's basically said, oh,

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I'll give you an example. I was just wanting to know,

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are you taking people for a ride or are you

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actually general or are you genuinely setting aside data and

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putting reports together and things of that nature. And he

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eventually became agitated by me and said, who the hell

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are you? And so I told him and I just said,

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I'm so interested in this, I've got to know more.

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And he says, do you have a resume? I go, yeah,

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and so I flipped him that and the next day

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he basically said, I'm going to check in with Matt

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on this because I think you're somebody we'd like to

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work with. And I'm like, well, okay, And within a

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week I was behind the scenes and got the magic

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got the magic key and had access to hair scat vocals,

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all that and a hundred people that had similar interests,

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some with much more experience than I. And so my

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job personally was who the hell are these people? I

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got to get to know him and I got to

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get to know them. Well. That was some people. Doesn't

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work with everybody, but it was sure awesome, and I

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was honored to work with people that wrote books that

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interested me in the first place. John Green was there.

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I got to meet doctor John Bendernagel and he became

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a close personal friend, and numerous other people and I

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worked with me a lot, and I will always treat

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I will always treasure that because despite that, everybody liking

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everybody all the time. Incredible knowledge can be shared with

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all of us, regardless of how we operate or what

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we do, or what's likable what isn't likable. Not that

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Matt isn't a likable guy, but he's a little on

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the controversial side, as was promoted in finding Bigfoots.

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Speaker 4: So I've been around him just a little bit, and uh,

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he's he gets focused on something nobody else exist. Oh yeah,

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I mean he's he's got tunnel vision, and some people

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take that the wrong way, but that's a super hyper

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focused person.

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Speaker 3: He is an incredible man. I just honored the fact

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that when I was I was in the Organs for

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four years. I'm a little bit unorthodox and I'm tunnel

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vision too, and sometimes you get a lot of people

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telling you how things should be done, and sometimes there's conflicts.

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I don't really do well with that, and so in

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the end I got involved with somebody I shouldn't have

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and let some things go and it just kind of

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slid out the back way. Plus my typing went from

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thirty five words a minute to one hundred and five.

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I gained fifty pounds. I couldn't get away from the

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damn telephone taking reports from Florida, Alaska to wherever. And

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that was one thing that was really wonderful about Matt.

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He's basically says, hey, you can do anything you want

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in here, just don't kiss anybody off. Unfortunately I was

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a little bit too. I was a little bit too

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intense twenty five years ago, and that happened a few times.

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But I tried to make amends with everybody I could.

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And you know, I'm just honored to be able to

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meet all the personalities, all the wonderful people and learn

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so much from so many people. So this interview with

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you guys is just an honor.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, oh honors all ours, thank you. We uh,

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you know, I still I still after three or four years,

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I'm shocked when people say yes when I ask them

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to come on. You know, I'm like, what, okay, cool?

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So I I really get excited and and what I've done.

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Dan and Amanda, we we we try to layer our

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guests from eyewitnesses that really don't want to tell their

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story to people who have studied and studied evidence and

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and everything in between, because I want to I want

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a good cross section. And I know that you have

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been uh, collecting evidence. You asked some great questions on

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on Facebook and stuff, and and I know some people, yeah,

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they're there's I know you know this better than we do.

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There are people on different sides that uh sometimes don't

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get along because their tunnel vision. We try to be

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open minded because I don't want to miss something, you know.

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And my favorite, other than if somebody getting a video

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or a specimen, my favorite evidence is audio because it

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can be measured. It being scientifically measured, you can rule

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out a lot of stuff. Now you can't say what

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it is. If you can rule out everything else, that

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don't leave much that's.

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Speaker 3: Right and sounds like a combination of lion. There's a

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few numbered things that can do that. Well, some lions

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working together in tandem.

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Speaker 4: Man, Well you now know this, uh. And I try

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to tell people all the time, uh, when they do something,

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when they make a noise, when they call or sneeze

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like you have one you know behind Jews, excuse me

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have to call. I think I manifested that. But they

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do it big, and they do it loud, and it

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even even a shuffle a turn doesn't when they take

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a couple of steps doesn't sound like anything else. Uh,

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it's obviously big two feet it immediately and this happened.

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This has all happened to me and people that I know,

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And that's what you can't get across. So what what

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were you impressed the most about about the leading group

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that you started with back then with all those names.

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What what impressed you? Because I know coming in you

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probably were doubting some things you want to find out.

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Speaker 3: I had. I was overly proud of my success studying

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literature and we were studying animal behavior. So I felt

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very comfortable that single, private people don't come up with

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all these details on their own they unless they experience it,

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and so to me that was a big factor. And

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of course when you're figuring out reports, you definitely would

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appreciate secondary evidence to go with it. So comments on

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what the kids said, comments on footprints or pictures, comments

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on vocalizations, comments on the way the dogs behaved, comments

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on the way the livestock behave, comments on the way

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animals were during the time the hunter had experiences or

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got a visual you know, all those things. As far

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as I'll give you an example, one of the first

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things that happened when I got into the organization one

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of the fellows I was working with was from the northeast.

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He was a pilot. You're a pilot, so he obviously

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has to be very careful about his credibility. And he

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set me aside and he told me, hey, when I

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was a teenager, I shot a deer and I was

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dragging it and he didn't clean it yet, and he

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was on private property, but somebody was following him, and

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so he set the deer off to the side and

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he went farther down the trail and stood bind a tree.

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By golly, if he didn't see a big mail step out.

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And so that was what did it for him. And

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he didn't tell very many people about this, and so

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I was very honored that he took the time to

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privatize me a little bit. And so it was experiences

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like that that, one on one with people that I

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honored and trusted who are real good friends with me

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still today. In many cases, a lot of these guys

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are older now and they aren't here. So it's kind

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of important that we document as much as we can

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if we're seriously interested in learning this. And obviously there's

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a big yell about anecdotal but hey, we've got David Ellis.

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We've got so many other people that are working hard

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behind the scenes regarding you know, and obviously David over

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at the Expedition Museum and well I got to meet

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by the way in October twenty twenty and nice. Yeah,

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I stepped in, so I was there.

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Speaker 10: Right after I had left. Unfortunately I just missed it.

473
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 3: Billa was gone by that time too.

474
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,599
Speaker 11: She was Yeah, a small world. I actually not that

475
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,440
I could replace her in any way, shape or for

476
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,880
but I ended up taking over her position whenever she left,

477
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,000
is how I got my position there at the museum.

478
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: Very cool.

479
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 10: Yeah, I loved Savila. She is wonderful.

480
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've known her now for probably twenty years,

481
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,400
so maybe not that long, but like seventeen eighteen probably

482
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,759
I'd worked with her and worked with a lot of

483
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:57,960
her illustrations, and she's given me wide open pages on

484
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,720
what I can do with them. You know, I've anything

485
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,960
we can do to enhance her situation, the more we

486
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,799
would like to do that. But between her and Alex

487
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,240
Alexa Evans, those are the two gals that I spent

488
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,960
a lot of time with and who's Alex has got

489
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,200
a lot of a lot of artworking Dave's Museum as well.

490
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:22,279
But I just you know, these gals are detailed and

491
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,079
concerned about the detail, and so they're gonna listen and

492
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:31,000
work on those nostrils, work on the eye with in

493
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,720
the diameters of this and that, and the thickness or

494
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,599
lack of thickness of the eye, the eye hear, and

495
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:41,319
just right on down the line, you know, And I's

496
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,559
gonna tell you, et cetera.

497
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:47,119
Speaker 4: To that point, I knew a guy that sabylas her is,

498
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,720
and I assumed it was something deep a quick process.

499
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,799
It took months. Months took yea. So y'all, if y'all

500
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,440
see Sabylla's drawings, she just didn't talk to somebody on

501
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,279
the phone and draw that what she heard she it

502
00:33:03,319 --> 00:33:05,839
was contact for months, worked, like he said, working on

503
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,400
the piece of a nostril. And what was frustrating something

504
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,799
I saw a couple of years ago or last year

505
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,119
through a thermal and I tried to get I don't

506
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,160
have drawing skills and I don't know anybody, so I

507
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,319
tried to get Ai. I argued with Ai for hours

508
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,839
because the nose, I couldn't get the nose right. It

509
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,559
always wanted to put a monkey nose right or gorilla nose,

510
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,200
and this definitely wasn't And I got it ninety percent maybe,

511
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,240
and that's the best I can do. But some of hers,

512
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,759
I mean, the detail and the work that she puts in,

513
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,119
and the witnesses also that's worked for them to have

514
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:51,119
to sit and and some of them, like TKB said,

515
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,480
you know the PTSD that comes along with some of

516
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:57,480
this and some of these encounters people shut down. This

517
00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:00,599
guy that I'm talking about in particular, he lost his

518
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,680
job because he couldn't function for a while. And you know,

519
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,400
I think he's he's doing better now. But let me

520
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,360
ask you this. So you you have access to Sabella's

521
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:17,159
uh artwork, UH, and I'm and there there are locations.

522
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,920
Are you seeing any similarities uh in in regions and

523
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,599
differences in other regions of the facial.

524
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,559
Speaker 3: You know, I've been paying I've been trying to pay

525
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,039
attention to that, and to be perfectly honest with you,

526
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,840
it's really hard to say, but I'll give you some

527
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,920
scenarios or or some some observations that I've made that

528
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,000
I feel comfortable talking about. Okay, one is in Washington,

529
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,039
and before before I go into that, I just want

530
00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:53,039
to make one more comment regarding Sabila as incredible, and

531
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:56,760
that is one of my favorite illustration that she has

532
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,159
is a young male about six feet tall named Nubby.

533
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,519
One of the BFI ROW reports out of Oklahoma. I

534
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:10,079
forgot the details, but it'd be easily looked up. All

535
00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:13,480
you'd have to do is is just say stability illustration

536
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,920
Oklahoma UH sasquash report for the BFIROW, and that she

537
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:24,320
come up. But anyway, what's interesting is she got a

538
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,440
phone call and the guys looking at the individual, Hey,

539
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:34,119
do you want to start drawing? Oh my gosh, because

540
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,880
we can make this happen right now. So to me,

541
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:45,320
that's the most uh realistic likely illustration she has. And

542
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,320
that's not to step back on any of her other work.

543
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,320
That's just to forward this one another step. Now what

544
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,760
I've got another point to that. On the first observations

545
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,000
I had through night vision, it was with Shane Carr

546
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:03,920
during Randy Rrington down in Missouri in twenty nineteen. I'm

547
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,480
part of the Ozark Mountain Sasquatch group and those guys

548
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:11,159
are among the most dedicated human beings that I know.

549
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,679
Regarding the investigations of these guys. Both men have had

550
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,800
visuals as well. So on that night, I drove over

551
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,039
ten hours to get to the spot in southern Missouri

552
00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:26,639
and those arks, and it was three o'clock in the

553
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,920
morning and we were walking down the trail and here

554
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,480
is a peaker and Shane announced both of us, I'm

555
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,239
going in on. Well that sparks question about well, if

556
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,199
we want to interact them, do we want to push them?

557
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: Right?

558
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: Okay, So that was the argument between me and Randy.

559
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,280
With Shane, Shane was bullheaded and he's going to do

560
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,679
this no matter what. So he turns and he goes.

561
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,679
Randy kind of guides him in. This is the first

562
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,559
night that I'd met Randy, and I'd only met Shane

563
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,599
one other time at his property the year before when

564
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:04,760
he said you're in. So anyway, Shane goes down. He

565
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,920
gets within seven feet of the individual who's about one

566
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,800
hundred and fifty pounds estimated that means one seventy five

567
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:18,119
to forty and all black hair, maybe five and a

568
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:20,679
half feet tall, maybe a little less, maybe a little more,

569
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:28,559
laying down in a very very non dominant, submissive type

570
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:33,400
pose with curiosity. So Shane was there. I don't know

571
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,960
how many minutes I'd have to review. He's talked about

572
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:41,840
this endlessly on numerous other interviews, but he eventually got

573
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,159
up and walked away, and then he turned on and

574
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,760
came back. Then there was two chattering or clattering, and

575
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,079
then a couple at least one rock was thrown, and

576
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,719
he decided, Okay, it's time to go. Now what did

577
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,239
he describe he saw? The closest one was the illustration

578
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,440
that Sibylla did from Oklahoma on that. So that's like

579
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,519
a double set. Yeah, combs up comes up. You know,

580
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:07,599
that's pretty darn on that.

581
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,119
Speaker 4: So absolutely, and so I've got I'm gonna throw something

582
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:15,119
at you that everybody gets hit with it because when

583
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:18,079
you're talking about where you're talking about Southwest Missouri. I've

584
00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:21,079
been through there many times, and most time at night

585
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:23,639
because I have a family that lives in the Northwest

586
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:28,840
corner and uh, it's driving through there at night. It

587
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:36,360
just you know, the Mark Twain area, and it's the

588
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:38,679
thought goes through my head all these people, like where

589
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:45,079
do they hide? Dan, You've been all over Tell people

590
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,760
how much habitat there there is just in this country

591
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:55,239
where it would support something that big. Now, probably not support.

592
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,280
You know, I heard or twelve one hundred of them,

593
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,519
but you know, but uh, you know five six here

594
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:01,000
or there.

595
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:05,039
Speaker 3: There's plenty sure area. I'll just start was by saying,

596
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,599
in my state of Wisconsin, we have twenty five thousand

597
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,519
black bear I've seen three. I'm a biologist. Now, I

598
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:18,000
don't focus on black bear, right. I've seen tracks. We

599
00:39:18,039 --> 00:39:19,679
don't have a lot of them where I'm at, but

600
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,119
I've been up in northern Wisconsin a significant amount, and

601
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,960
I've had Sasquatch vocalizations in many, many different counties. And

602
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:32,079
I'll say alleged suspect Sasquatch vocals because I did not

603
00:39:32,119 --> 00:39:34,679
see the soundmaker, much like I did not see the

604
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,840
track maker of some of the tracks that I've found,

605
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,760
which are very few. By the way, I'm not particularly

606
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,159
good at that. I'm much better at getting out there

607
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:50,519
and listening for you know, possibilities. To answer your question,

608
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,960
If you grab a map and look at Little Rock, Arkansas,

609
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:03,280
swing over to Dallas and then drop down, let's see

610
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,880
was it there? I think, And then you drop down

611
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,800
toward Louisiana or whatever. You get a big triangle there,

612
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:19,519
and there aren't a lot of towns in there. And

613
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:22,599
when you've got small towns, I had many interviews where

614
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,360
the town was three thousand and five thousand and seven thousand,

615
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:28,239
and then there'd be a cornfield, and then there'd be

616
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,559
a stream, and then there'd be an unknown path that

617
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,519
goes right along the edge of the yard. And the

618
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,800
dogs always bark so many times a week at night,

619
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:39,480
and everybody's sleeping and they're trying to figure out why

620
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,440
they're dog getting all agitated. Then all of a sudden,

621
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,760
there's a mysterious footprint. I had a gall out of Colorado.

622
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,320
She was teaching at the as a biology professor at

623
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:56,119
one of the universities I taught at, and she I

624
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,239
told her what I was into on the side, and

625
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,039
she goes, I don't ever tell any this. When I

626
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:04,400
was a little girl, I had something big walk up

627
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,719
to the window and look in at me when I

628
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,639
was in my bedroom. And this would happen a lot,

629
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,679
and my parents never believed me. But we could never

630
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,079
figure out what that big path was that went down

631
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:18,519
to the river. So and as as the Foggy Mountain,

632
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:25,400
or as the Foggy Creek, folk Creek deal is, I'm

633
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,760
gonna get this eventually, Foggy Creek. You know, they they

634
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:37,719
always walked creeks, streams, the rivers are highway and hey,

635
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,960
this says. So when the first reports I got when

636
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,880
I was in BFROL was out of a while and

637
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:46,079
was out of a radio fellow who had just taken

638
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,880
the night off, and he happened to see his assquatch

639
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,719
walk out of the woods, walk right over the lake,

640
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,960
continue walking, walk right into the lake, and disappear underwater.

641
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:01,559
You know. So, I think they're right under our nose,

642
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,639
and I think that their juvenile tracks are so human like.

643
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,760
And I've got a quote from doctor Meldolam saying telling

644
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:15,519
one of our investigators, Hey, the juveniles are extremely difficult

645
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,960
to tell from human feet, which means they're generally being

646
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:25,039
disregarded as human footprints. So as a result, so many

647
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:29,239
investigators just let that go. You know so, I think,

648
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,440
and I think the reports of the juveniles are up.

649
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,840
And I also think that because of the way we

650
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,199
manage our predators, you'll notice our black bear populations and

651
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,159
virtually every state going up, expanding online, starting to reclaim

652
00:42:43,559 --> 00:42:48,159
their original locations east of the Mississippi River. In case

653
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:51,920
anybody's interested, not one person in modern times has been

654
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,119
killed by a mountain lion east of the Mississippi River.

655
00:42:55,679 --> 00:43:00,280
And we're only averaging like one person a year year,

656
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,920
and I think it's like one hundred and thirty deaths

657
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,440
in the last two hundred years.

658
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 4: Well, if people quit trying to pet them, that probably

659
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,239
would work itself out.

660
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:16,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, college too, right, Well.

661
00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 4: There's there. Oh man, there's so many things. But real

662
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,360
quickly the two the two different spots, I found big

663
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:30,679
tracks with smaller tracks, the Dan one of them. Uh,

664
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:31,920
we'll talk later.

665
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna be bugging you, man,

666
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,000
don't mind. I'm gonna be bugging you to Uh.

667
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: The tracks we found right at Bank National Forest in Alabama.

668
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,559
Uh a real sandy salty. The river was down, which

669
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,760
is a perfect time to find tracks. We weren't expecting much,

670
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,079
but we found the bigger tracks and then all of

671
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:57,880
a sudden, these smaller ones appeared and we were looking

672
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,480
at the compression it was. It wasn't a hill to

673
00:44:01,559 --> 00:44:04,400
toe or a toe to heel step. It's almost like

674
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,280
something sat one down, like it was clinging on to

675
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,360
a mom And we looked. I didn't see any tracks

676
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,480
coming out. It walked down to the river like curiously

677
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,440
and put its right foot on the rock and kind

678
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,760
of splayed out like this right here. But anyway, and

679
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,599
the other one was and it was the week of

680
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,079
Thanksgiving on a Tuesday, so you know, what kind of weather,

681
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,760
what the weather's like. And the first thing I thought,

682
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,440
and I even said on the video, who would let

683
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,960
their kids run around out here in Barefoot in the wintertime?

684
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:42,159
Speaker 3: And that's such an incredible point to make.

685
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: You know.

686
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And they were fresh because it hadn't rained here

687
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,440
in a couple of months. And this was up at

688
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,000
the land between the lakes. We went up there, and

689
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,079
but I did find the bigger tracks, which you know,

690
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:58,960
and and I'll tell you this a lot of the

691
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,400
audience knows three years prior to the same family had

692
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:07,320
been casted, and what some of the information. The bigger

693
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,559
ones were staying in line, right, they were just walking,

694
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:13,159
they knew where they were going. The two little ones

695
00:45:13,199 --> 00:45:17,239
were running back and forth across like kids playing. And

696
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,559
so anyway, I'll let you speak, but that that's the

697
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:24,880
type of evidence that doesn't get heard. We've done shows

698
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,400
on the track away, we've showed the cast and I

699
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,440
don't I'm not going to say, nobody cares, but the

700
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,000
people here care. The people that are watching and listening

701
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,119
to us and know us, they care. But that's as

702
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:39,079
far as it goes. Dan. We need you to help us.

703
00:45:39,159 --> 00:45:40,159
We need you to prove this.

704
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 3: No kidding talks to talk about what's the smallest tracks

705
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,360
you've come across in.

706
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,559
Speaker 4: The smallest That small one compressed in the mud was

707
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:56,960
about eight inches, but I do realize that it probably

708
00:45:57,039 --> 00:45:59,320
might have been a seven inch, you know what I'm saying.

709
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:06,039
But toes and you're right, the big tracks looked like

710
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:10,280
bigfoot tracks. The little tracks, you're like. I even went

711
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,599
to Greg and his daughter Abby. I said, when's the

712
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:16,000
last time you've been off the way off down in there.

713
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:19,760
She's been a long time, and I'm like, Greg said, why?

714
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,000
So we found some small tracks that look humanish, but

715
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,920
it was the heel was off a little bit and

716
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,320
there's a little bit of curve to it, you know,

717
00:46:30,599 --> 00:46:33,599
Like I'm not an expert, but we took pictures. I

718
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,000
was new at this, and my son took a lot

719
00:46:37,079 --> 00:46:39,400
hour of one of them, but he missed the best

720
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,079
one because he was really experimenting with that early on.

721
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,920
And I wish we would have spent more time. But Dan,

722
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,280
here's what people don't talk about comes into this. Sometimes

723
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,400
when you find evidence and it's really fresh, there's a

724
00:46:54,440 --> 00:47:00,079
fear factor for the individual too. I'm not going to

725
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,760
sit there and cast and turn my back because if

726
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,280
they look. When I was three years old, I learned

727
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,400
really quick not to mess with a mama and his

728
00:47:10,559 --> 00:47:14,440
baby with chickens. So if something that's big, I'm danged.

729
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:24,039
So we're not gonna mess with baby. But man, there's

730
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:28,840
there's so much we definitely we're not through. But uh,

731
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,599
there's definitely a lot to get into. Yah, tell us,

732
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:39,039
tell us tell us about your uh your encounters with

733
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,000
the bigfoot or sasquire how that happened.

734
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,079
Speaker 3: Okay, I couldn't figure out where they were, and I

735
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:52,559
spent my uh later teens, in all twenties, in all

736
00:47:52,679 --> 00:48:00,480
thirties climbing river bluffs, catching, measuring and winning rettlesnakes. That

737
00:48:00,599 --> 00:48:04,079
was my I love rattlers. I just think they're wonderful.

738
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:10,800
I love gators, I love all that stuff. So by

739
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,000
the time I was in the bo, by the time

740
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,480
I was in high school, I had my first timber rattler,

741
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:18,679
and then I went to Florida when I was eighteen.

742
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,079
I came back with a copperhead that I bought for

743
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,159
six bucks because I couldn't find one down there. And

744
00:48:24,199 --> 00:48:27,920
then uh, and then but I did get some really

745
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,480
nice four foot watermarks, and so that was really cool.

746
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,440
And then I couldn't find any diamondbacks. I've been to Florida,

747
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,920
look eighteen times now, it was sixteen. My sister lives

748
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,639
there now. And I'm not going to go in further

749
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,960
with the Florida stuff because because I just haven't had

750
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:49,000
any Sasquatch experiences there, but I have in Georgia. That

751
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,159
week that I came out and ended up going over

752
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:54,599
to see David at the expedition, I had my my

753
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,519
UH sports utility vehicle was slammed at two o'clock in

754
00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:03,320
the morning. I had invited and wished that they would

755
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,000
do that, and they did. And I know it wasn't

756
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,559
another person, because I happened to be in a place

757
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:14,719
that they locked off so that the public couldn't get

758
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:20,199
in there. Okay. And I was with Keith Bearden that night,

759
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:24,519
who was out of Georgia and is now in Arizona,

760
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:28,159
and Keith and I were talking. We had a cougar

761
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,960
walk across the road one hundred feet from us. That

762
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:34,599
made me decide, okay, I'm going to be here alone tonight.

763
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,760
I think I'm not going to just sleep out like

764
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,320
I normally would, but I decided to stay in the Yukon.

765
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:46,719
And when Keith dropped me back off at the at

766
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:52,679
the base on my cooler, there were two oak leaves,

767
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:58,159
one that was commonly seen right where we were, and

768
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,960
I don't know where the other one came from. I

769
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,719
did look it up to see what kind it was,

770
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:06,599
but they were placed symmetrically on top of my cooler,

771
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,320
which I found extremely interesting. And then Keith goes, oh,

772
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,440
by the way, you're not alone. I'm like what, And

773
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:17,559
I look up and right up over my windshield there's

774
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:21,199
a nice piece of branch that all the It was

775
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,480
like a dead branch, so it was just wood and

776
00:50:23,519 --> 00:50:26,320
it was just hanging in the wind right over my windshield.

777
00:50:27,159 --> 00:50:30,400
Somebody put it there, so that was interesting. So I

778
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:34,400
just announced to the woods, Okay, if you guys want,

779
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,519
go ahead and take the chow and the cooler, but

780
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:39,760
would you please let me know you're there. And I'm

781
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,400
hoping to look in the window at me I want

782
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,920
to see you. And I went back and I laid

783
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,519
in bed for laden the seat for an hour. I

784
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:52,000
fell asleep two o'clock in the morning. Carash Wham is

785
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:55,800
just one. So I'm all smiles and happy. I got visitors,

786
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,599
and now I'm just waiting for somebody to be peeking

787
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:01,719
at me. If they did, they did it behind my

788
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,000
back and I couldn't see them. That was one. It

789
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:06,840
was notable. In twenty I had something else happened in

790
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Arkansas that that month. I don't know exactly what, but

791
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:14,480
I got vocals and I got some lights going on

792
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,440
that I don't understand, and if it was made by people,

793
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:20,239
I didn't want to meet them. So I didn't make

794
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,280
myself available because I didn't have I did not have

795
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,519
protection with a handgun or anything, which wouldn't be very

796
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:30,599
wise to step out with a handgun when there's five

797
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:33,880
guys that got a handgun on you. So then we're

798
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,599
looking at In Wisconsin, I have a property that I

799
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:45,159
worked for twelve years and I got vocalizations there. The

800
00:51:45,199 --> 00:51:48,159
first thing that happened to me that was really unusual

801
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:54,199
was after the vocalization, I got a pack of coyotes

802
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,159
that came in real close best recording I had at

803
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,000
that time. I wasn't using digit I was using the

804
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:07,039
you know, the other stuff before that, and this pack

805
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,400
of coyoats was just fantastic. I was so happy. I

806
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,039
shut everything down, sat there and relaxed, and all of

807
00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:17,079
a sudden, behind me, somebody sneezed, and I'm like, wait

808
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:21,400
a minute, wait a minute, because this was right after

809
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,840
the coyotes came by, and so I'm thinking it's guy

810
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,639
the landowner, and she's a little old gal in her

811
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,679
early seventies at the time, and I'm looking back at

812
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:33,079
the house. It's all black and all shut down. There's

813
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:36,039
no light there at all whatsoever. I'm completely in the dark.

814
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,880
So I'm thinking of what's going on. Was it a

815
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,559
leg behind? But it was up in the air cougar

816
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,719
because we did have cougar on the property, despite the

817
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,760
fact that there's no cougar in Wisconsin at that time officially,

818
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,079
which is hilarious.

819
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 4: But anyway, that's another conversation because we can get into that. Yeah,

820
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:01,159
I ended up the Mountain Lion guy somehow.

821
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: Good. Anyway, I've got a group called Eastern Mountain Lions

822
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,119
online that I take reports.

823
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 4: I've seen seventeen since nineteen eighty seven.

824
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 3: We've got this audience county.

825
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 10: So what was the name of the group there, Dan,

826
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:16,679
I think it's not.

827
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: My Eastern Cougar Mountain Lion something like that. Just perfectly

828
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:25,719
honest with you. I have over one hundred and fifty groups,

829
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:33,920
and I administrate them by not letting the wrong people

830
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,440
come in. Right, as long as there's harmony, it works.

831
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:41,320
As long as there's somebody who's kicking and breaking windows,

832
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,280
I'm sorry they can't play because we don't have time

833
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:44,519
for that.

834
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,599
Speaker 4: Right, That's just that's distraction. And sometimes, Dan, I think

835
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:50,719
some of the distractions are on purpose. We won't get

836
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,920
into that, but there's people people that or even people

837
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:59,480
or groups that like to undermine oh yeah, the truth.

838
00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:01,280
So yeah, well, and you.

839
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: Know, and there's all kinds of problems now because we

840
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,559
have copycat behavior. We have we have people going for clicks,

841
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,719
and we have people that are enhancing situations and truth

842
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,039
and honesty isn't always the golden rule, and et cetera,

843
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:15,719
et cetera, and we have to be a little bit

844
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,599
more careful. You could have as Thomas Steinberg always are

845
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,320
sett in one of his books, you could have five

846
00:54:21,519 --> 00:54:24,280
people looking at the same thing and have five different

847
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,760
descriptions regarding distance, regarding shape, regarding you know, I mean,

848
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:33,000
we all perceive things differently sometimes, especially when it's a

849
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:38,880
short amount of observation, uh, distant and low light. Plus

850
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:43,239
as you mentioned before, the fear factor. So now what

851
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400
turned me on to that particular spot. Initially it was

852
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,199
a rail snak call. She claims she had a rally.

853
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,079
I never found it, and the location made me severely

854
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,400
think that she did not have a rally. But she

855
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,280
did have mountain lion and that was really cool, so

856
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,079
that made it worth it. But then one night after

857
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,840
she divorced her husband and she moved into this little

858
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,559
cabin on this private property of just an acre surrounded

859
00:55:09,599 --> 00:55:12,800
by woods, in the middle of a big valley along

860
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:19,920
the creek. She closed the basement door. They finally something

861
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,000
was down there, and I didn't really know what, but

862
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,800
they closed the basement door, and that night she had

863
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:31,039
something scream so loud that it literally paralyzed her in

864
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:37,320
bed for like five minutes at least. She was just

865
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,320
too scared to get out of bed, and so we

866
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,159
should put She thought I was gonna come through the wall,

867
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:43,840
come through the door, come through the wall. When she'd

868
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,280
never heard it was just a skull splitting screen. She

869
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,320
got up, she moved to the kitchen, and she's got

870
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:54,320
two small lapdogs with her, and they're hurdled around the

871
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,840
table in the kitchen, and this thing screaming outside, and

872
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,320
she notices rodents coming up out of the floorboards, dis oriented,

873
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:09,039
unable to walk perfectly. So there was a hitching. There

874
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,199
was a hitch in their gidiap. So of course, I'm thinking,

875
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:15,599
has this got to do with the vocals? It sure

876
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,519
seems like it, And what options do we have regarding

877
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,920
these kinds of vocals? I can think of something. So

878
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,039
that's why I turned on to her place and started

879
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:28,199
coming in and trying to do anyway. Within the twelve years,

880
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,559
some of the most unusual things that happened were the

881
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,840
wires were taken out of the leaf ducks that ran

882
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,760
alongside the house for rain. There's ten feet off the ground.

883
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,960
That was why we've taken off and put gently along

884
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,880
the base of the house, those big leaf those big

885
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,400
water trays or ducks, you know, where the water would run.

886
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,559
They would disconnect them and put them over underneath the clothesline. Wow,

887
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,119
they would bring up or some it would bring up

888
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,239
rocks from the creek with moss on it and put

889
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,280
it on the rock letch.

890
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,559
Speaker 4: Dan speaking of that, you know what surprised me because

891
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:12,000
I started the show to learn more and just like

892
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,519
listening to you, I could listen to you for days.

893
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna be talking for this.

894
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 4: Man and I would love but uh what I think

895
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,960
one of the shockers for me not having the resources,

896
00:57:25,079 --> 00:57:27,679
not having you know, like people you were around and

897
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,159
got the soak up knowledge.

898
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:30,119
Speaker 7: Uh.

899
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 4: The biggest thing for me was the apparent uh intelligence.

900
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,239
Speaker 3: That's so underestimated.

901
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,519
Speaker 4: Yes, sir, if.

902
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 3: You tell you what Locke David over at the expeditions

903
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,880
them in a room for an hour and make him

904
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,239
talk and you'll come out just absolutely shocked in the

905
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,440
mist just I haven't had a lot of conversations with him,

906
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,480
but I love every paragraph he sends me, so I

907
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:08,000
just know how he feels about what they've got going

908
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:12,119
on upstairs. And I've got private notes from other people

909
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,039
who are shocked out of their mind as to what's

910
00:58:15,079 --> 00:58:19,360
happened to them. And then I've personally had something happen

911
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:25,119
that being a professional zoologist. You bever be careful who

912
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,039
you tell things like this to, because your credibility can

913
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,280
be shot in seconds. But I had a situation that

914
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:37,559
was either a confirmation or a coincidence. Happened twice once

915
00:58:37,719 --> 00:58:42,159
out in Idaho with my friend Angeli Gum. I'm part

916
00:58:42,239 --> 00:58:48,119
of the legacy group that she's got out there and

917
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,360
with her son Mitchell, and they've had observations quite a few.

918
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,400
And also what happened. It was funny because Keith Bearden

919
00:58:57,519 --> 00:59:00,320
was involved in that too, because after I had some

920
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,840
things going on out there, I'm driving back across Wyoming

921
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960
and he calls me. He goes, Hey, I don't know

922
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,440
why I'm calling you, but I just said this urge

923
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400
to call you. I'm like, what what's up? He goes,

924
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:15,000
where are you hawaii Oming? Coming back from back Northwest? Okay, Well,

925
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,039
I just got to talking to Ron Morehead and here's

926
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,039
what we talked about. And what he talked about was

927
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:25,360
almost identical to what we experienced through a person who

928
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,039
claimed mental telepathy with an individual that was exchanging with us.

929
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:37,239
Now did that really happen? The girls are convinced of it.

930
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:41,280
It made so much sense, it almost had to. But

931
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,440
yet where are we with mental telepathy. Well, that's just

932
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:48,320
like the way hypnotism used to be. It wasn't universally accepted.

933
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:51,480
Now it is much more. And I think that we

934
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:53,760
have all kinds of things around us that are friends,

935
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:57,159
that we're just on the outskirts of learning about it,

936
00:59:57,199 --> 00:59:59,800
and once we dive into it, it's going to be amazing.

937
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,599
So in other words, I got thirteen thoughts here. I'll

938
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,920
share this. Last September, I was in northern or western

939
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,920
Wisconsin with a group of twenty other people or so.

940
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:18,239
They divided to go north and go south, and so

941
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,000
they were out of the area. Everybody was accounted for.

942
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,960
I was with four other people. Three of them left.

943
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,039
I'm left in the campsite alone. And this is really

944
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:33,039
difficult to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway. I

945
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:37,960
thought to myself, Okay, this is perfect. I'm alone. If

946
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,639
you're here, could you let me know I'm not kidding you.

947
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:45,400
Between one and three seconds later, I got the most

948
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:51,599
beautiful female sounding and it was about a tenth of

949
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:53,880
a mile away. And I've got a friend of mine

950
01:00:54,039 --> 01:00:56,800
as this happened once in a while, and her response

951
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,760
was ask them to do it. Again tell them how

952
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,760
nice it was. So I was filled with so much

953
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,159
happy that I forgot to do that. And now it's

954
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:08,119
got to become an automatic reaction if it ever happens again.

955
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,119
So was that coincidence or was that confirmation? And you

956
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:15,360
probably have a fifty to fifty right down the middle

957
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,519
on that with people. All I know is that I'll

958
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:23,920
give you another example of what happened. I got. I

959
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,440
set myself on fire accidentally and in a stressful situation

960
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:29,599
back in twenty eighteen. I had to go to the

961
01:01:29,639 --> 01:01:33,559
Burn Center in Madison, Wisconsin, and it worked out fine,

962
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:36,400
but they kept me seventeen days to go through skin

963
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,920
graft surgery out and I had a significant amount of

964
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,000
my leg below my knee burned. And I'm okay. But

965
01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:47,079
what was interesting was when I came back to the

966
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:48,960
study site, and that's the place where there was a

967
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,480
skull splitting scream, and I got the kyak pack with

968
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:59,320
a sniff behind me the sneeze. Okay. On the trading block,

969
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:09,960
I got a plant put there and the plant is burdock,

970
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,639
and I went in to look at the medicinal of

971
01:02:13,679 --> 01:02:17,440
burdock and the roots were ripped off. I'm like, what's

972
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,159
going on with that? I checked it and it's basically said,

973
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:26,079
that's a. That's a. It works against carcinogens. So it's like, gee,

974
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:29,519
maybe I don't need that, thank you, Okay, but I

975
01:02:29,519 --> 01:02:31,400
still don't know what's going on. So I'm reading about

976
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:38,840
burdock and is especially great for topical use on burned areas.

977
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:43,960
Now I'm like, did they smell this and give it

978
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:49,280
to me? What's going on? So those are a couple

979
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:54,920
examples of things that make me go, huh.

980
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 11: I'm smiling as you're telling saying that because I might

981
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,400
have told you that Roger and people know me growing

982
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,119
up here in southern Apalachia. My grandma was what would

983
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,800
have been referred to as an old granny woman, which

984
01:03:08,159 --> 01:03:09,760
she could go out into the woods and pick out

985
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,960
any herb or whatever you needed, and she could make

986
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,119
whatever you needed to help. Heliaep I remember when I

987
01:03:15,159 --> 01:03:20,280
was growing up, she kept burdack sav on hand for everything.

988
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:24,480
Anytime I got stun right, anytime I kept I got

989
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,039
sung by bees or an.

990
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 10: Ant or a sunburn or whatever. Rub some of that

991
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,760
on there, take care of it right away. That let

992
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,039
me interesting.

993
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 4: Let me tell you a quick, quick version of a story, uh,

994
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:43,880
priming a carburetor of seventeen friends, some miscommunication, somebody turned

995
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,760
the engine over before I told him to. I ended

996
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:53,039
up on fire, same spot leg and fire was all

997
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:56,880
around me. And so this goes into like, is are

998
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,719
these things possible that we're talking about. I'd accepted it

999
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,880
that this was it. I couldn't run, I was surrounded

1000
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:06,880
in fire, I was on fire.

1001
01:04:07,159 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 6: Oh.

1002
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've told any of these people

1003
01:04:10,199 --> 01:04:14,559
this yet, but I feel it's important. All of a sudden,

1004
01:04:14,599 --> 01:04:17,519
it felt like a cold fingertip touched me right here,

1005
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,039
and without thinking about it, my body was turned loose

1006
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:25,280
and I ran with my eyes shut that direction. I

1007
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:26,960
didn't say, ho, I need to go that way, that

1008
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:31,480
safety my body when it I was touched. It just happened,

1009
01:04:31,519 --> 01:04:34,400
and I missed three cars. A tree ran by my

1010
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,559
sister on fire and she never saw me in the dark.

1011
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,840
Ended up in the front yard. So now that's a

1012
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,519
long story, but I'm glad you brought that up, because

1013
01:04:44,519 --> 01:04:48,440
if that's possible, what else is possible? Right?

1014
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: And that is the key question right there, because as

1015
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:58,280
you know, what's going on right now does not make

1016
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:08,159
common soun there's no body publicly key, publicly verified by science,

1017
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:14,239
there's no DNA agreement. It's like a partial and everything

1018
01:05:14,679 --> 01:05:18,000
so much historically it was all coming back, well, it's

1019
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:24,159
contaminated human, contaminated human. But if these footprints from the

1020
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:29,440
juveniles are so closely resembling our feet, we can't be

1021
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,880
that far away related from at least some of the

1022
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:36,840
species in the complex.

1023
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 4: And yeah, I know you've never heard this. People, other

1024
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,639
people have heard this. I did a DNA test maybe

1025
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,159
a couple of years ago. Now you're not. I have

1026
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,079
a high amount of Neanderthal DNA.

1027
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,239
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm Norway. So I got some myself.

1028
01:05:54,599 --> 01:05:59,679
Speaker 4: So if you go back in history, something happened, right,

1029
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:04,000
and so we don't know what branched off, you know what.

1030
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:09,800
So and finding that out shocked me, but then it

1031
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:14,519
started making me think, well, if that's possible, then what

1032
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,320
the same question again? Then what else is possible? They

1033
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:22,760
should keep open mind. And you know, in twenty twenty

1034
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,480
talking about this, I wouldn't have known what you were

1035
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:30,440
talking about. But even now, I always before I enter

1036
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:34,119
somewhere that we know where they're there, I hold my

1037
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,559
hands out and show no weapons and then I think

1038
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,559
in my mind, this is what we're doing. We're not

1039
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:43,760
here to hurt you, you know whatever. And everything since

1040
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:49,199
I started doing that has been more calm, whether they're

1041
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:52,559
not throwing things or picking up things and hitting it

1042
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:57,159
against a tree. So anyway, it's just I don't know

1043
01:06:57,199 --> 01:07:00,000
what all this means. But because I've kept open mind

1044
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,239
that I'm digging, it seems to be leading somewhere and

1045
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:07,880
I don't want nowhere. But if somebody says, oh, they're

1046
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,239
they're just dumb apes or this or or that, I'm like, well,

1047
01:07:11,239 --> 01:07:14,400
what about these these DNA tests like you brought up

1048
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,400
that come back you know, uh, partially human or whatever,

1049
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:22,679
you know, they all that contamination like you said, And

1050
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:27,119
it's man, it's so frustrating because there's no there's not

1051
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:30,840
a lot of us out here that know how to

1052
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:35,320
I kind of know how to gather evident keep it clean,

1053
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:40,840
but you can breathe on it and contaminate it. So

1054
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,519
that's what we need.

1055
01:07:42,039 --> 01:07:44,079
Speaker 3: Anything one thing we can I'm gonna be rude and

1056
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,880
jump in. One thing, like everybody remember, is when hair

1057
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,840
is collected, if you cannot touch it somewhow some way,

1058
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,440
that would be great. And then also not a bag

1059
01:07:55,719 --> 01:07:59,960
because that promotes moisture and fungus and by and other problems.

1060
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,760
So you want to go to a like an envelope

1061
01:08:03,199 --> 01:08:06,199
or a paper bag or something like that. So it's

1062
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:12,199
a dry situation for potential hair collection. So that's good

1063
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,920
idea being sent to me, hopefully soon, and then that's

1064
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,840
going to go out to a couple of research buddies

1065
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,399
of mind just to see if we've got everything. And

1066
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,760
most often these things are already contaminated because people have

1067
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,199
handled them so much. But because that's just you know,

1068
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:29,359
I mean, I had a rock thrown at me that

1069
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,079
I picked up on one of my trips down on

1070
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,000
the ozarks, and I announced to the other guys, hey,

1071
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,840
I'm sorry, but that's mine. And it was the first

1072
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,760
time I'd had that happen ever, and so I was

1073
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,600
very happy about it. And it was like a four

1074
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,760
ounce quartz rock that I keep in my head one fifty.

1075
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:49,079
And what's interesting, though, is we all thought about it

1076
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:52,439
about the same time afterwards. Rather than grabbing it right,

1077
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:59,039
we should have put the vision on it to see

1078
01:08:59,159 --> 01:09:03,479
potent you know, to see potential handprint. Yeah, but we

1079
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,359
didn't do that. It's just to grab and happy.

1080
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 4: So I've been there, and since I have you here,

1081
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,520
I might have sent this to you. But I found

1082
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,560
an interesting hair on one morning after my buddy Greg,

1083
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,800
he's in here and his aunt Verbiy's in here. Something

1084
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:21,359
pulled on his door one night around two o'clock to

1085
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,039
am and they and they frequent his his cabin.

1086
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 7: Uh.

1087
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,359
Speaker 4: He told me about it. I'm an hour and a

1088
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:29,479
half away. So I went down and I found greasy

1089
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:32,680
fourarm hair prints and it would have had to reach

1090
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,000
the cross. But anyway, this one hair I found. The

1091
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:41,039
first it's about almost three inches long. The first inch

1092
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:44,239
is solid coal black and the rest of it is

1093
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:45,880
like fiber optic clear.

1094
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 3: Have you that interesting?

1095
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah? And then I go digging in what would be

1096
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,920
the advantage of an animal having that with dispersion of

1097
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,319
light hard to see in low light conditions, blah blah

1098
01:09:56,359 --> 01:09:59,520
blah the moon, you know, so basically an animal would

1099
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,199
look blurry to us any hard photograph. So not saying

1100
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,800
that's what it is, Doug has it right. I might

1101
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,920
have messed it up because I put it in playstatements

1102
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:15,279
in it. I know, I'm learning, Yeah, that's exactly right.

1103
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:17,880
Next time something like that happens, you call me immediately.

1104
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:22,079
I say, yes, sir, but but you just did a

1105
01:10:22,119 --> 01:10:24,399
good dug impression. I can do a better one, but

1106
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:29,920
I don't, but you can. Uh so, so what kind

1107
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,279
of have you run up on? Any hair that that

1108
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:35,680
it was similar to that? That would be black and

1109
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:38,479
turned and look, it didn't fade, It did not fade.

1110
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,359
Speaker 3: I heard something from Tunisee. It looked a little bit

1111
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,960
like that. When I was in the BFL, I was

1112
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,840
working in private property in Virginia. Didn't getting to here

1113
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,039
from that private property from Tennessee. We did get air

1114
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:54,199
from that, and uh a number of other different private properties.

1115
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:56,199
And what was interesting to me was a lot of

1116
01:10:56,199 --> 01:11:00,199
the evil things that were happening were parallels. So I

1117
01:11:00,199 --> 01:11:04,399
could almost guess what was going to happen. In every case.

1118
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:10,039
It was a general interaction. You know, people get Obviously,

1119
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:14,680
we have individuals that aren't all the same. We have youngsters,

1120
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:18,600
we have oldsters, we have grouchy, we have happy, we

1121
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,039
have non stressed, we have super stressed, probably have some wounded,

1122
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,199
and who knows what else. But in this case, for example,

1123
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:32,359
I had to seven foot two seventeen foot inch prints

1124
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:36,319
in both properties going on at the same time, and

1125
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:38,680
I happened to get butt prints from both of them.

1126
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,640
One had a thirty six inch across, the other one

1127
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,880
had a thirty four inch across. Just imagine how that

1128
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,800
translates to the shoulders.

1129
01:11:47,079 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 4: What was that was that close to the water the

1130
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:52,119
butt prints?

1131
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 3: The butt print, No, it was it was up the bill.

1132
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:59,159
Speaker 4: I'm asking. I saw it like one laid down one time.

1133
01:11:59,439 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 3: Neat.

1134
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1135
01:12:02,319 --> 01:12:05,319
Speaker 3: I was just say the tendens. I gotta do this

1136
01:12:05,359 --> 01:12:08,359
because otherwise I forget that. The Tennessee thing was so

1137
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:14,319
cool because up the hill above the house, behind the brush,

1138
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:19,720
there was a cave and a giant stream rock with

1139
01:12:20,039 --> 01:12:24,079
LG was taken up there and set in the front

1140
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:27,319
of the cave so you could sit on that rock

1141
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,760
not be seen from below, and watch all the activities

1142
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,520
in the yard. At the same time. On a hot

1143
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:37,119
day or hot night, you'd have that nice, cool cave

1144
01:12:37,159 --> 01:12:38,319
air coming up on your.

1145
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,399
Speaker 4: Back and it gets cover to hide to. You know,

1146
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,279
you get behind it if you need to, So, I mean, uh,

1147
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,079
maybe it wouldn't that big. I'm sorry it was big.

1148
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 3: It was big. But as far as intelligence goes, who's winning. Yeah,

1149
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:59,279
we don't have with all of our technology and equipment,

1150
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:02,520
and as the as the guys who are convinced this

1151
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:06,600
is impossible say, we would have them on game cam.

1152
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,159
Well we do, but your mind. Just got a great

1153
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,079
cell phone picture the other day. I think it was

1154
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:16,000
either last night or the night before. He's out of Indiana.

1155
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:20,680
Most of the pictures come back horrific, but every once

1156
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,319
in a while things align. And he said some great

1157
01:13:24,399 --> 01:13:30,079
footprint casts. But if he showed ninety percent of the

1158
01:13:30,119 --> 01:13:33,920
stuff he has to the general observer, it would be trashed,

1159
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,359
you know, because it's just difficult to get the resolution,

1160
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,800
especially with equipment that doesn't bother them. And if you

1161
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,600
pull out equipment that does bother them, they're gonna just

1162
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,239
you're not gonna have anything to photograph.

1163
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,359
Speaker 4: And one thing that gets me, it makes me chuckle inside,

1164
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:52,119
you know, I don't know. I don't laugh at people,

1165
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:56,439
but the non believers, or he would tear you down there, like,

1166
01:13:56,520 --> 01:14:00,760
but there's so many cell phone cameras and all these

1167
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,760
people have them on. They have a clear picture, I said,

1168
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,600
because they're looking at their phone and they're not looking

1169
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:08,000
what's in front of them. Yep, it's a distraction. So

1170
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,279
that's all I say. About it. But that's yeah, I've

1171
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:14,960
seen that happen so many times in situations where you

1172
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:17,960
need to be looking were like you said earlier about

1173
01:14:18,159 --> 01:14:21,479
other people, that that's the real danger. Of course, we're

1174
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,319
walking this trail and I'm scanning, scanning, scanning, and looking

1175
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:27,279
behind and my wife and my mom. There's a guy

1176
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,720
six three wearing a bright blue shirt, our jacket and

1177
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,239
bright orange pants got within thirty yards of us, and

1178
01:14:35,279 --> 01:14:36,159
they never saw him.

1179
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 3: Yep.

1180
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying anything about them. It's just you

1181
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:47,319
need to be observant, and if you're not, you're.

1182
01:14:45,279 --> 01:14:48,319
Speaker 3: You know, And time and time again we see that

1183
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:51,000
over and over. My fournial partner and I were in

1184
01:14:51,079 --> 01:14:55,880
southern Illinois one time, hurping and we were a school

1185
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,359
group come and my thoughts were, wouldn't it be cool

1186
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:02,119
to see how close we could be to them without

1187
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:06,479
being seen? So we jumped off the boardwalk, ran through

1188
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,520
the swamp, found a few trees stood out where we

1189
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,720
should easily be seen. Not one student saw uce.

1190
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,520
Speaker 4: They're distracted, they're playing.

1191
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 3: And I wasn't wearing camouflage or guillie suit. If I was,

1192
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,439
it'd be impossible to see, you know, So I mean

1193
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,239
just you know, I mean they're right under or no,

1194
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:35,119
and then they do obvious things that are that's impossible.

1195
01:15:35,159 --> 01:15:39,680
There's no way they would do that. Are you sure

1196
01:15:40,119 --> 01:15:43,840
I was the last person on earth to accept tree structures.

1197
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1198
01:15:45,119 --> 01:15:50,560
Speaker 3: Now I know that there's an association. I also think

1199
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:53,439
there's a lot of mistakes made by people, But I

1200
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,279
also think there's some that are obviously not them that

1201
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:01,199
might be them. And I also know that, uh.

1202
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:07,199
Speaker 4: There's there's a question there. Dan, the hair you found,

1203
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,000
it'd have elasticity. I've been told that how would just

1204
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,680
pull apart. We found the red hair would just pull apart.

1205
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:16,399
Now I do know. Doug asked me before I sent

1206
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:20,039
this sample, was it rigid or was it wispy? And

1207
01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:22,920
I told him it's wispy, which you know, and he's

1208
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,159
just he said, good send it. The corser hair is

1209
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:28,800
not what you're looking for.

1210
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,720
Speaker 3: Well, you know there's different parts of the body. Yeah,

1211
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,399
these guys are highly variable, and I'm gonna give an

1212
01:16:35,399 --> 01:16:38,640
example of that in the tracks. Barb Shuper is a

1213
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,960
real good friend of mine from Washington, and she told

1214
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:47,439
me her first observation was such that she couldn't figure

1215
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:51,800
out what zoo that gorilla.

1216
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:52,399
Speaker 4: Got out of.

1217
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 3: She did not think it was a sasquatch. He thought

1218
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:02,119
it was a gorilla. Okay, And she's sin seeing others

1219
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:06,359
that don't look like that at all. Okay. And we

1220
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,840
have a wide variation of looking footprints. It's not a

1221
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:15,039
carbon copy that well, of course, it's like, well, these

1222
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,119
are real and everything else was faked, not necessarily.

1223
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this, Dan, So, the I found

1224
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,359
that trackway the land between the lakes, and they're the

1225
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:32,640
biggest one was shaped different than the There was two

1226
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:36,960
adult looking tracks. Yeah, the big one had the V

1227
01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:40,199
shape and the big toes like marshmallows. And then there

1228
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:45,520
was one it had a more uh, I don't even know, parallel.

1229
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:48,640
The edges were parallel that they didn't widen out, and

1230
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,479
the toes are a little different. And then the and

1231
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:56,560
the kids, uh whatever looked more human. Uh is that

1232
01:17:56,680 --> 01:17:59,000
something you're seeing too? Like it could be a male

1233
01:17:59,079 --> 01:17:59,920
female different?

1234
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:06,520
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Plus you'd mentioned an eight foot tall female.

1235
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,720
We have very very tall females in the women's basketball deal,

1236
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:16,439
So I mean the individual variation for a height can

1237
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,800
be very very wide and extreme. You might have full

1238
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,920
grown adult females that are only five and a half

1239
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,239
feet tall. For all wheks, I've heard of six footers,

1240
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,600
and we don't know how small or young they are

1241
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,359
when they have their first little one, you know. Getting

1242
01:18:31,359 --> 01:18:33,600
back to Barb. The only reason I'm bringing that up

1243
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:38,359
was because over in that same area, Angelique, one of

1244
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:44,720
hers that Sibylla drew, looked almost like a Caucasian person

1245
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,800
like one of us. Of course he was much more

1246
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,640
handsome according to her. But the beauty of this is

1247
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,159
the individual variation. I mean, Sibylla has drawn some that

1248
01:18:55,279 --> 01:18:58,439
look like gorillas or apes went out of Texas, went

1249
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:03,279
out of Illinois, out of the Yellowstone National Park. These

1250
01:19:03,279 --> 01:19:06,479
don't look like they're the same species, and they often

1251
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:10,720
have giant incisors. They often have the ape type looking

1252
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:14,159
nose that's flat, And of course some of that might

1253
01:19:14,279 --> 01:19:17,560
come from if you're standing real close and you're looking

1254
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:21,479
up into the face of a eight footer, his nose

1255
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,880
is going to give you a shipload of nostrils simply

1256
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:27,319
because of the angle and how close he is. If

1257
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:30,079
you get back farther, then you might get the hood

1258
01:19:30,079 --> 01:19:33,520
of the nose and all that and throw the fear factory.

1259
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,640
And I have a buddy of mine that was in

1260
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,159
South Dakota and he had a one on one. I'm

1261
01:19:39,159 --> 01:19:40,600
not going to take along with this, but he had

1262
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:46,119
a one on one with an individual that the tribe

1263
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:50,960
told him don't take certain trails. Well, you didn't think

1264
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,279
about it. And he went to the river the wrong way,

1265
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,520
and he has his head down because of the prairie rattlers,

1266
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:00,239
and so he's on his way down the trail and

1267
01:20:00,279 --> 01:20:02,720
all of a sudden he realizes there's a tree that moved,

1268
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:07,439
looks something. This thing walks right over to him and

1269
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,720
just stares at him. Well, there goes number one, there

1270
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,319
goes number two. I'm gonna die. He's like three feet away.

1271
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:20,279
My goodness, he's about had it, and it's eight feet

1272
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:27,000
He turns and starts heading back, thinking that he's going

1273
01:20:27,079 --> 01:20:30,800
to get decapitated or something real quick. It stands right

1274
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:35,000
behind him and follows him step by step. He'd take

1275
01:20:35,079 --> 01:20:38,159
three steps to every step it took. He got back

1276
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:40,439
towards the buildings, and then it went around him up

1277
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,880
on the hill and watched him go back to the buildings.

1278
01:20:43,239 --> 01:20:48,439
He has not camped since he quit hunting, and he

1279
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:53,840
absolutely refuses to deal with that because something that couldn't

1280
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:59,279
be was you know so, But I guess what I'm

1281
01:20:59,319 --> 01:21:02,199
saying is that we don't know what we're dealing with

1282
01:21:02,319 --> 01:21:04,239
yet because there's so many varieties.

1283
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,359
Speaker 4: So both of y'all know Sabila, I've never met her.

1284
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,880
If next time you talk to her, ask her if

1285
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:16,279
she remembers, like the more human face versus the ape

1286
01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:20,399
like face, if if one or the other was a

1287
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,119
stressful situation or they were more aggressive. You know what

1288
01:21:25,119 --> 01:21:29,760
I'm saying. You see, don't getting that. I've always wondered

1289
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:35,159
about that because I've heard stories took reports, Amanda, you know,

1290
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:38,239
I know you have too, where people were just scared

1291
01:21:38,279 --> 01:21:43,279
to death. And I'm wondering, like Dan is talking about,

1292
01:21:43,399 --> 01:21:48,720
if there's different types and maybe their brain's not developed

1293
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:50,880
by the shape of the ska and all that science,

1294
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:54,399
and maybe they're a little more aggressive than others because

1295
01:21:54,399 --> 01:22:00,239
I've noticed in like in Alabama, they can get aggressive out.

1296
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,920
I blame it on the heat and humidity, but that

1297
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:06,359
doesn't joke. I get aggressive to it. But anyway, but

1298
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:11,039
when you get in these other places and and and

1299
01:22:11,119 --> 01:22:14,439
another thing, people you have to realize, well, had I

1300
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,039
had a bad experience well, you don't know what happened

1301
01:22:17,039 --> 01:22:19,479
three years ago. Somebody might have shot it one, you know,

1302
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:21,840
So that's the one. You have to be careful and

1303
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,199
once once you are in the area, like Jane Goodall

1304
01:22:25,359 --> 01:22:29,159
and getting a relationship with the gorillas and the family

1305
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:32,800
and all that, they start trusting. I feel like we've

1306
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,680
earned trust in one spot, which I know, and it's

1307
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,560
weird saying absolutes. I know we have by what's gone

1308
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,199
on since. Uh, but I feel like, uh, just like

1309
01:22:45,279 --> 01:22:48,359
Greg going in and find this new place to hunt.

1310
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:52,479
He goes in and he's competing for them with their

1311
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,000
food and they try to run him out many times

1312
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:57,640
until they figure out he's not leaving, and then he

1313
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,359
knows what they are. So uh, then you get reports

1314
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:07,479
from back you know, uh, in history of people trading

1315
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,319
with them, those stories right there. Hey, I.

1316
01:23:13,039 --> 01:23:17,239
Speaker 3: On the gifting block, so I didn't get to see them,

1317
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,800
right and speaking of that, I did have a visual

1318
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,039
finally I left Alabama. I know, I'm jumping around all

1319
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:24,479
over here.

1320
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 4: You're good. No, hey, half our audience is the same

1321
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:29,199
way as.

1322
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:30,239
Speaker 3: We are, so they don't care.

1323
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:33,319
Speaker 4: It.

1324
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, gosh, yeah, right, working on that. There's unusual beetles,

1325
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,439
you know, whatever it happens to be.

1326
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: And you got and you've got a big foot standing

1327
01:23:44,479 --> 01:23:46,039
close to you, and you don't understand.

1328
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 3: You're looking at They got a buddy of mine actually

1329
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,800
in Alabama who associates the presence of the big brown beetles.

1330
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:57,359
They love them, They reading them well in his area.

1331
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 4: So that's very interesting, taking reports of them digging in

1332
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,640
the ground. And so that makes sense that they would

1333
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,640
take advantage of the nutrition.

1334
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 3: And oh the nutritions all around us, because if we

1335
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,640
can eat so many things, they can eat that plus more,

1336
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:21,399
so you know, and then the job our Oh my goodness, gracious. Uh,

1337
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:24,640
it's hard to know where to reflect. I think we're

1338
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:30,760
dealing with different ages, different experiences, different locations, and they

1339
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:36,359
all come with different pressures, different family characteristics, behaviors, and

1340
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:39,640
so some things are easy and unstressed, and other things

1341
01:24:39,680 --> 01:24:42,479
are a pain. Rump will still skin and it's problematic,

1342
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,800
and you have to really know what the people are

1343
01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,880
doing so you can operate your schedule without a collision

1344
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:51,000
with these people who happen to have guns, or happen

1345
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:53,920
to yell a lot, or happen to have multi dogs

1346
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:57,920
that give away your location, and so okay, So now

1347
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:01,720
I'm finish up down in Alabama and I get to

1348
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,880
meet some more wonderful Alabama people, and I'm in other

1349
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:09,319
numerous other places as well. So I finally got to

1350
01:25:09,319 --> 01:25:12,640
meet Angie Williamson. She came over from Georgia, so that

1351
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,680
was wonderful. And then up I go toward Tennessee because

1352
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,000
one of the BFL guys, and I work with everybody,

1353
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:23,920
everybody because everybody's got a clue, and you know, I

1354
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,279
might not agree or I might disagree, but it's like

1355
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:30,159
I'll tell you what I think. I'd like to hear

1356
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,359
what you think, and I'd like to know why because

1357
01:25:32,399 --> 01:25:36,880
we can all learn stuff. So anyway, I head out

1358
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,560
to a new guy's place on his property that I

1359
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,880
was told about and hooked up with and stayed there

1360
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,840
for four hours in Tennessee, and he had an interesting

1361
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,239
situation there where she had a group that there's been

1362
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:53,119
some visuals and there have been some interactions. A lot

1363
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:56,600
of times it was little games and you know, little

1364
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:59,279
items that you can take and give and move around

1365
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:02,960
and things like that, so whether golf balls or whatever. Well,

1366
01:26:03,039 --> 01:26:04,520
one of the things he did was he left his

1367
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:08,960
camera on a tripod there for a while. Then he

1368
01:26:09,039 --> 01:26:11,720
took it down and the next day he came back.

1369
01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:15,880
Here was a structure that looked almost identical to his

1370
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,800
tripod with the camera lens with the long ones on it.

1371
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,560
And I've got the photos of that, and I'm welcome

1372
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:24,680
to share them, so in the future, I'd be glad

1373
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:25,600
to share that.

1374
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,199
Speaker 4: Ye, yeah, definitely. Part two.

1375
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is one of his name or locations, show it,

1376
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,800
share it. But that's just really really interesting. From there,

1377
01:26:37,079 --> 01:26:41,560
I went up to work with a mother daughter friends

1378
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:46,840
of mine in northeastern Indiana, and it's along the river system,

1379
01:26:47,079 --> 01:26:49,640
and there had been structures there, there had been other

1380
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:52,359
things there, and I'd gotten a footprint there two years

1381
01:26:52,399 --> 01:26:56,800
before and three years before, and uh, I had some

1382
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,880
other things with vocalizations going on. Plus the daughter gets footprints,

1383
01:27:02,319 --> 01:27:04,800
little gifts. And then the kids, we think, come up

1384
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,399
out of the gully and then they pull the hummingbird

1385
01:27:07,399 --> 01:27:09,399
feeder and they pull some of the other bird feeders

1386
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:11,880
off and lay them in the grass as a joke.

1387
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,159
And then you know, so there's constant movement with things

1388
01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:18,359
like that. So I get there, I'm hanging out and

1389
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:22,479
I have supper and Now it's after seven o'clock and

1390
01:27:22,520 --> 01:27:25,159
we're talking and I'm looking through the window. This is

1391
01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:29,000
such a lazy man's game and my situation. I'm sitting

1392
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,279
there looking out the window and talking with her. It's

1393
01:27:32,319 --> 01:27:35,159
seven point thirty seven pm, and I see her husband

1394
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:38,319
go by. It doesn't look right. So if you're going

1395
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:40,239
to draw a picture of me looking out the window

1396
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:43,760
with that little cartoon over with that little caption area

1397
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:46,960
cloud over my head, it'd be filled with question marks

1398
01:27:47,039 --> 01:27:50,199
and exclamation marks because I don't know what the age

1399
01:27:50,199 --> 01:27:54,119
I'm looking at, because it's so surreal. It's gliding, it's

1400
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:58,880
already sprown, and it's tall and lanky, and it's like

1401
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,439
so motion and I'm like a fixed and I'm just

1402
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,199
absolutely rock solid stared at this. And I'm looking through

1403
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:09,920
a window that's got blinds, so there's increment. There's ten

1404
01:28:10,039 --> 01:28:13,960
strips of increment's going and it was a walks by

1405
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,680
from right to left. I'm thinking it's got to be

1406
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:18,439
the husband and he'll be coming in the house soon.

1407
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,720
That's it. That's it, that's got to be. But he

1408
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:25,239
walks by some white spots on the tree. Now, like huh,

1409
01:28:25,279 --> 01:28:28,239
I wonder what that is. So when he goes by

1410
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:32,159
and I'm waiting, and after I timed it a minute

1411
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,560
and thirty seven seconds later, the husband comes in. He's

1412
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:40,319
wearing a green shirt, and I'm like, uh, is there

1413
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:45,000
anybody else here on the property right now? No, because

1414
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,359
you know this is private and there's nobody here. Why

1415
01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:51,720
I didn't really, I just said I might have seen something.

1416
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,920
I looked over his wife and she smiled and she goes,

1417
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:59,680
you saw one, didn't she? And I'm like, well, let's see,

1418
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:02,439
And I said, do you mind walking outside and walking

1419
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:07,159
from the shed past the tree down the driveway. I

1420
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:09,439
can do that. So I'm sitting there and she goes

1421
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,640
out and does that. A couple of things I didn't mention.

1422
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:18,840
One those white spots. Those were flowers from a flowering dogwood.

1423
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,239
And I couldn't see her. She's five to one as

1424
01:29:22,279 --> 01:29:26,000
she walked by. Okay, So then I take her place

1425
01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:28,079
and have her sit and I said, can you see me?

1426
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,479
And I go out. As I walk by, I walk

1427
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,319
over those white flowers. Find out well, their white flowers.

1428
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:37,920
Lift my hand up and my hand's going over seven feet.

1429
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:40,600
Initially I let this thing was seven feet tall, but

1430
01:29:40,680 --> 01:29:44,399
it was it was an increment two or the flowers

1431
01:29:44,399 --> 01:29:47,479
were an increment two. On the blinds it was an

1432
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,439
increment four. So it was higher than the It was

1433
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:55,279
like a head higher than the flowers. So my guest

1434
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:58,319
is he was eight feet and I'm lenk you like

1435
01:29:58,359 --> 01:29:59,319
a basketball player?

1436
01:30:00,079 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 4: Uh? I was was this in Alabama?

1437
01:30:04,399 --> 01:30:11,199
Speaker 3: This was in northeastern Indiana? Okay, Actually, James Lady is

1438
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:17,039
not terribly far from Detroit in uh, southeastern Michigan. It's

1439
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:20,279
not that terribly far from this location.

1440
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 4: I had a I saw something I'm not gonna say where.

1441
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,880
It was tall and lanky and black, head to toe

1442
01:30:29,359 --> 01:30:32,279
walking on two legs. I saw it take three steps,

1443
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,920
pivot on the right foot and start walking away. But

1444
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,199
we're we're moving and we're in the woods.

1445
01:30:37,279 --> 01:30:39,520
Speaker 3: But did you say what stated if that's possible?

1446
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:44,279
Speaker 4: It was Alabama? And uh, and I do the what

1447
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,520
the crap is that? You know? My son looks out

1448
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,199
so that's that's a that's a deer feeder. I'm like, no,

1449
01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:53,600
not that I see that, not, but I need to

1450
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,600
go and see how tall that deer feeder is. But

1451
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,119
what confused me was the lankiness of it. But then

1452
01:30:59,159 --> 01:31:02,520
I talked to people. Oh, no, they're all different sizes,

1453
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,520
you know, in different areas, And so you're you're there,

1454
01:31:07,119 --> 01:31:10,520
was the husband on the way home when you saw.

1455
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 3: This, No, he was with us at supper when he

1456
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,319
went out to working around.

1457
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,640
Speaker 4: Oh okay, he was gone.

1458
01:31:18,119 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 3: And you know, I got there maybe five thirty, so

1459
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:23,720
we probably took we probably talked and hung out for

1460
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,199
forty minutes before we ate. But it was the precise

1461
01:31:27,319 --> 01:31:31,800
time that I saw this individual. Was it seven thirty

1462
01:31:32,119 --> 01:31:35,119
seven pm? I'm not sure that. And it was also

1463
01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:37,239
between sixteen and seventy feet away from me.

1464
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 4: And that's that's good on your Like a lot of

1465
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,680
people panic. Let's give you guys some advice. That'll be

1466
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,199
listening tomorrow and whatever. If you happen to seize any anything,

1467
01:31:48,279 --> 01:31:52,520
practice on people, practice on deer, practice on whatever. If

1468
01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:55,279
you see something I used to do this and it

1469
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:57,520
walks past the tree and there's a spot on that

1470
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,000
tree and kind of say, okay, well it looks like

1471
01:32:01,039 --> 01:32:04,119
it's about six or seven inches taller than that, and

1472
01:32:04,199 --> 01:32:07,640
you can get a good judgment. That's how when people

1473
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,520
ask me how tall the first one I saw was,

1474
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:12,760
I said, somewhere between seven and seven and a half

1475
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:18,279
because of it walked under a limb it was, and

1476
01:32:18,319 --> 01:32:21,039
then we went later. Of course, my dad laughed, but

1477
01:32:21,039 --> 01:32:23,319
I talked him and we went up there and he

1478
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:26,560
had something happen. We measured, so I don't know whether

1479
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:29,920
it was six nine or seven four, but it's in

1480
01:32:29,960 --> 01:32:33,920
that range, sure, and that gives you. That gives you

1481
01:32:34,039 --> 01:32:37,439
a kind of a guide to go by by. And

1482
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,960
you you're not gonna be perfect, but and I do

1483
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:43,359
understand y'all that it's so hard, but if you practice

1484
01:32:43,439 --> 01:32:47,720
doing that anyway, yep, and then it becomes a natural thing.

1485
01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:51,520
Speaker 3: So right along those, I've got a buddy of a

1486
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,119
buddy of mine who is a police officer. I'm gonna

1487
01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:55,800
call him a buddy because we've spent a lot of

1488
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,039
time talking and I need to get back with him

1489
01:32:58,039 --> 01:33:01,720
to finish smart work. But I'm an illustrator as well,

1490
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,680
by the way, and I'll prove that eventually. So what

1491
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:11,840
happened is this was like in ninety four and he

1492
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,640
was at his grandfather's place. I just retired now, and

1493
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:19,600
he was up visiting his grandfather where they were gonna

1494
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,840
hunt deer. But he came in early and something banged

1495
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:27,359
the side of the house and he's getting some vocalizations

1496
01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:31,800
that were very, very intimidating. So the first night, I

1497
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,199
don't think he slept at all. And the second night

1498
01:33:35,279 --> 01:33:40,159
he still was nervous, and something hit the house again.

1499
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:46,119
And he's attributing it to like a local area, like

1500
01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:49,319
with a air force or something where maybe some of

1501
01:33:49,319 --> 01:33:52,920
the guys are just relaxing and drinking and just going

1502
01:33:52,920 --> 01:33:54,640
out in the woods and relax, you know, having a

1503
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,960
good time. And he steps outside of the building and

1504
01:33:58,359 --> 01:34:02,199
here is an eight footer with its hand on a tree,

1505
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,119
and he said, I was thirty feet away perfectly at

1506
01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:09,239
ten o'clock in the morning. He said, I thought I

1507
01:34:09,359 --> 01:34:11,319
was going to die. I thought he was going to

1508
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:14,920
kill me. He was not interested in the aggression at all.

1509
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:19,479
It was all curiosity. And he said, I make a living.

1510
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,760
I made a living being a police officer by guessing

1511
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:27,960
distance and guessing body masks in adversaries and whether or

1512
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,520
not what I would have to do to stay safe

1513
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,840
for to help other people. And he said, its hand

1514
01:34:34,079 --> 01:34:38,520
was eight up by its head and its head was

1515
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:42,159
eight feet four inch off the ground. He said, I'm

1516
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:45,960
not kidding you. The biggest person that he was familiar

1517
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,520
with was Shack, because Shack is an honorary police officer

1518
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:55,520
in Arizona, and so he visited them in conferences. And

1519
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,720
also he had another fellow who was one of the

1520
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,960
bad guys, was a six foot nine, four hundred some

1521
01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:05,640
pound guy, and he said this thing would make those

1522
01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,359
guys look tiny. He said it had to be eight

1523
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:15,479
hundred pounds. It was built five foot wide shoulders, and

1524
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,079
he drew it for me. The only mistakes he made

1525
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:21,159
was the shoulders out wide enough, which I'm going to

1526
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:24,359
make adjustments on. But I will send that to you.

1527
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:28,760
He's published it in places in my private groups, you know,

1528
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,479
so I can do that anyway. That was very very

1529
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:39,039
ape looking. That was northwestern lower portion of Michigan, which

1530
01:35:39,079 --> 01:35:43,520
is really interesting. I had a Wisconsin report I got

1531
01:35:43,560 --> 01:35:49,800
through my friend Barnaby with caps Barnabie Jones, And this

1532
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:53,359
particular individual lived within twenty five miles of where I

1533
01:35:53,399 --> 01:35:57,119
grew up, and he was out doing mushrooms with a

1534
01:35:57,159 --> 01:36:03,600
friend moreles and and they were several days worth of stuff,

1535
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:07,520
but they got whistles, they got followed. One day they

1536
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:11,479
were up on the hill, they found a giant nest

1537
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:16,199
like an eagle nest, but much heavier wood with some weaving,

1538
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:20,720
and it was solid. It wasn't going anywhere. Well before

1539
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:22,720
he got to it, they were farther up the hill.

1540
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:27,119
He took a whiz behind a tree, and he came

1541
01:36:27,159 --> 01:36:29,840
down to the nest and he heard a vocal, looked

1542
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:34,239
up and where he whizzed, here was this giant man

1543
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:37,159
who he thought was a giant farmer with a monkey

1544
01:36:37,239 --> 01:36:37,680
mask on.

1545
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:42,159
Speaker 4: It's funny how your mind does when.

1546
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:46,119
Speaker 3: It came down the hill toward him. He froze, He

1547
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:49,640
felt paralyzed, He felt like he couldn't do anything. And

1548
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,840
his buddy down the hill. And this is along the

1549
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,600
Mississippi River, by the way, in southern Wisconsin. And long

1550
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:05,399
story short, there was no aggression. It was all curiosity.

1551
01:37:06,079 --> 01:37:08,359
But the one comment he made about it was as

1552
01:37:08,399 --> 01:37:12,399
big as he was, the genitalia on the sky you

1553
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,960
could barely see it. And that is a great ape

1554
01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:24,199
characteristic sasquatch reports, where the genitalia is equivalent to our ratios, right,

1555
01:37:24,640 --> 01:37:28,119
you know, and obviously we are highly variable, they are

1556
01:37:28,199 --> 01:37:32,279
highly variable. I'm sure there's so many things that we

1557
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:35,319
can take into consideration, but how could all if this

1558
01:37:35,399 --> 01:37:39,640
is all bs and If this is all, there's nothing

1559
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,960
to it, how can we have all these as as

1560
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:49,760
Cliff Brackman calls it, all this congruent information that mirrors itself,

1561
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:54,520
coming from so many different isolated places, from people who

1562
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:58,039
don't want to spend time with this. Exactly, they have

1563
01:37:58,199 --> 01:38:04,039
no choice because they're life has been completely changed knowing

1564
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:06,000
what might be looking in the window.

1565
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:08,720
Speaker 4: So I knew. I knew when you said this, this

1566
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:13,319
word was gonna bring very acts to the table. So

1567
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:17,960
when you say paralyzed, uh, very acts. And I have

1568
01:38:18,079 --> 01:38:21,640
experienced this. Where did he try to move and couldn't

1569
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,399
move or he was just paralyzed from shot?

1570
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:27,960
Speaker 3: I'll have to talk to him further, okay, because it's

1571
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,560
right down the middle, okay, And I would hit to

1572
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:34,119
say either way, because I just don't know. But we

1573
01:38:34,279 --> 01:38:38,279
do know people have actually tried to move and simply couldn't.

1574
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 4: I'm one of them. But I didn't. I didn't see

1575
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:45,199
a bigfoot though it was it was about it was

1576
01:38:45,239 --> 01:38:48,000
about seventy five yards where I eventually saw the bigfoot,

1577
01:38:48,079 --> 01:38:52,000
And it was probably a year or two before. And

1578
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,239
I can tell you that story sometimes they've they've heard

1579
01:38:55,279 --> 01:38:57,680
it a lot. But I was trying to move and

1580
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,640
I couldn't. I couldn't go forward. And in my head,

1581
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,079
here you go Dan. In my head that I was

1582
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:07,640
like eleven years old, maybe twelve, I said, if if

1583
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,720
you'll let me go, I'll turn around and go back

1584
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,239
to the house. I won't come back today. And everything released,

1585
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:15,000
and I did it. I turned around and so VARIAX

1586
01:39:15,039 --> 01:39:18,279
had something similar happened to him. Was it David Ellis

1587
01:39:18,359 --> 01:39:23,479
or somebody? There's several other people that's had it happen,

1588
01:39:23,560 --> 01:39:28,520
but it's weird. Maybe it wasn't David. It's it's somebody

1589
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,399
that watches the show, watches Doug show. If you're in here,

1590
01:39:32,600 --> 01:39:35,520
let us know, get a force Field show.

1591
01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:36,239
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1592
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,359
Speaker 4: Well, so what it does is it puts this in

1593
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:44,840
your mind. And you know, I saw a documentary many

1594
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:48,039
years later, maybe a couple of decades, where I learned

1595
01:39:48,039 --> 01:39:51,560
about the infrasound and how it affects prey and humans

1596
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:54,000
and all that, and I got up on the edge

1597
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,039
of my seat. I was like, wait what because that

1598
01:39:57,159 --> 01:39:59,479
just blew my mind. I wouldn't, you know. I didn't

1599
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,439
take a lot of science classes and all that. I

1600
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,039
understand a lot of it, but I was exposed to

1601
01:40:05,079 --> 01:40:10,880
that on a documentary about animals, not Bigfoot, and they

1602
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:13,439
and that's another thing you can measure. You can measure,

1603
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:17,760
you know, the hurts. I guess. So yeah, as soon

1604
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:21,680
as I heard that, Yeah, and Troy Allen like, listen

1605
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:26,279
to your gut always, no matter what situation, always listen

1606
01:40:26,319 --> 01:40:26,840
to your gut.

1607
01:40:27,279 --> 01:40:28,239
Speaker 3: Yep, I agree.

1608
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:31,920
Speaker 11: Speaking immeasurable, I actually made it. Really just had a

1609
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,680
really interesting observation. If we can go back to your

1610
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:39,880
encounter where you saw the sasquatch n of the being

1611
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,720
you know, through the blinds and had the lady go

1612
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,640
out there. I find it really interesting that, you know,

1613
01:40:44,680 --> 01:40:47,640
you see that. Within just a couple of minutes, the

1614
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,920
husband comes in and they, you know, they say it

1615
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,760
was like, oh, you've seen them, and you ask them to,

1616
01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:55,680
you know, to go out so that way they can

1617
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:56,199
measure it.

1618
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,399
Speaker 10: If it was me, if that had happened, to be like, hey, no, I'm.

1619
01:40:59,279 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 11: Not going out.

1620
01:41:00,399 --> 01:41:01,199
Speaker 10: I don't want to be an ordy.

1621
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:05,119
Speaker 11: So that to me just shows how comfortable those people

1622
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:09,680
are of that property and the things out there. Or

1623
01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:15,000
maybe that's just my thought process.

1624
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 2: But my.

1625
01:41:15,319 --> 01:41:17,319
Speaker 3: Hand's gonna go up, my finger's gonna go up, and

1626
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:21,600
I'm just gonna say, choose your friends carefully. Yeah, because

1627
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:25,720
I've had too many experiences that I particularly weren't fond of.

1628
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:29,560
Maybe I didn't know the people, well, maybe they didn't

1629
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,600
know me. Well, maybe there were other things. But if

1630
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:35,560
you need to be comfortable with who you're at, with

1631
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:38,600
where you're at, and so I try to meet everybody

1632
01:41:38,920 --> 01:41:41,760
and find out what we're all best suited for and

1633
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:45,880
geared toward that, because nobody wants to feel uncomfortable. We

1634
01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:46,920
need to keep this fun.

1635
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 5: You know.

1636
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:51,279
Speaker 3: It's really weird for me because I'm the one that

1637
01:41:51,359 --> 01:41:53,960
goes out and does all the stuff wrong. Remember I

1638
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:57,159
mentioned I was unorthodox, So when you're not supposed to whistle,

1639
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,520
I'm out there alone, walk on the trail in the dark,

1640
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:05,840
whistling saying come on, guys, come on, come on. And

1641
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:09,840
I've taken reports where a house owner sent their son

1642
01:42:09,960 --> 01:42:14,479
out the sun, walks out around the corner, walks right

1643
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:19,880
into a giant mail and this in this particular situation,

1644
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:23,600
it was the Cumberland Beast group of people that we

1645
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:26,479
had on Doug's show. That's one of the reasons why

1646
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,960
I was working with him at that time because I

1647
01:42:29,039 --> 01:42:32,600
was long story short. I had a lot to do

1648
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:36,159
with bringing people in for that, you know, witnesses. But anyway,

1649
01:42:36,199 --> 01:42:39,239
this young fellow was about four hundred pounds, six feet six,

1650
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:41,800
and he walked into a big mail and he said,

1651
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:45,119
I walked into his stomach and I heard him grunt,

1652
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:49,359
and I freaked and I ran back into the house.

1653
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:53,039
And so I mean, we're all vulnerable, and some days

1654
01:42:53,079 --> 01:42:55,840
we have days where isn't it take much to scare us?

1655
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,920
But I decided long ago after looking at all the statistics,

1656
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:05,279
you know, John Green's book and everybody else's. If you're curious,

1657
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:09,319
if you're interesting, and you don't pose a threat, you

1658
01:43:09,359 --> 01:43:10,960
should be able to get away with a lot of

1659
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:15,439
stuff regarding how close you can come, and you know

1660
01:43:16,079 --> 01:43:18,800
you don't have to be aggressive. Plus the fact is

1661
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,319
it possible some of these guys are mirroring our behavior.

1662
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:27,039
So if you're been able to shape nervous, have weapons

1663
01:43:27,319 --> 01:43:31,199
all all you know, we got all our are We're

1664
01:43:31,279 --> 01:43:34,520
just twisted, we're ready to, you know, do things we shouldn't,

1665
01:43:34,760 --> 01:43:38,800
and we're upset, and if they're mirroring any of that,

1666
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:43,039
it's got to make them nervous. I've got private stories

1667
01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:47,560
or private explanations of what happened with certain people when

1668
01:43:47,560 --> 01:43:51,119
they behaved a certain way and wasn't particularly good, you know.

1669
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,479
And Shane told me right up, he said, look, if

1670
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:57,000
you come in and they hit you with rocks, I'm

1671
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,960
going to be faced with having to send you back

1672
01:43:59,079 --> 01:44:04,520
because trying to get a nice general atmosphere here and

1673
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:08,479
not aggression, and we need patient people. And so I'm

1674
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:12,319
all that, I uh, it's I'll drive across the contrary

1675
01:44:12,399 --> 01:44:14,640
for the right footprint. Basically, well.

1676
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 4: For the people that are here this, I'm like, well,

1677
01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:22,000
that sounds crazy. How would they know. My dog knows

1678
01:44:22,119 --> 01:44:25,199
in the morning if I'm upset, if I'm sad, if

1679
01:44:25,239 --> 01:44:28,960
I'm happy, they mirror me, so they come over and

1680
01:44:29,039 --> 01:44:32,920
console me. So if if the dogs can do it,

1681
01:44:33,279 --> 01:44:35,399
if I can find it in nature in one instance,

1682
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:38,199
then it's possible to me until you've proven otherwise.

1683
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 3: And we know it's so little really, but we're pretty

1684
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:44,800
damn arrogant, so we think we know everything. That's the

1685
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:48,439
funny part. That's yeah, four or five years from now,

1686
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:51,560
I was like, oh, we didn't take this into consideration.

1687
01:44:51,960 --> 01:44:54,760
It's like it's like when the when the when the

1688
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,399
uh bondo apes. You know, the billy apes came out.

1689
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,239
Oh my god, they've got to be hybridized with gorillas.

1690
01:45:02,399 --> 01:45:04,359
Oh my god, they've got to be a new species.

1691
01:45:04,399 --> 01:45:07,239
Oh my god. They're damn near like sasquatches. But it

1692
01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:12,920
turns out that they're just another cultural, different, larger Eastern

1693
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:17,880
group population in chimpanzees in the Northern Democratic Area of Congo.

1694
01:45:18,199 --> 01:45:21,720
So you know, the facts come out eventually, but we

1695
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,800
jumped to conclusions sometimes because we're excited.

1696
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:29,560
Speaker 4: And you know, for you, you know, we'll we'll we're

1697
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,920
getting close to two hours, we won't you know, you're

1698
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:35,720
got No, that's I mean, no, it's been great conversation

1699
01:45:36,399 --> 01:45:41,720
twenty minutes man, No and no, And I appreciate you

1700
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,920
know you being here and and but the thing is

1701
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:50,039
this conversation is valuable because of you know, what you're

1702
01:45:50,079 --> 01:45:53,960
trained in and but you had the curiosity, uh to

1703
01:45:55,279 --> 01:45:58,880
It took a lot of I know you you joke

1704
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,640
and blame it on your and the bed, but he

1705
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:04,760
took a lot of courage to cross that line. And

1706
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:08,359
for people like us that know, but nobody takes it

1707
01:46:08,399 --> 01:46:11,800
seriously outside of this group. Well, I want to thank

1708
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:12,880
you for doing that.

1709
01:46:13,039 --> 01:46:16,000
Speaker 3: Sure, well, thank you, Yes, sir, you're one of the

1710
01:46:16,039 --> 01:46:18,079
first people who actually said that to me. I appreciate.

1711
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:20,800
Speaker 4: I know, I know what you chant, I know what

1712
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,079
you gambled.

1713
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,319
Speaker 3: Well, and you see how you see how interested and

1714
01:46:25,439 --> 01:46:28,640
I am. But I am in it after all these yours.

1715
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:32,199
I just want to know more stuff. I want to

1716
01:46:32,279 --> 01:46:36,279
increase the likelihood I have experiences. I'm just indebted to

1717
01:46:36,399 --> 01:46:39,840
all the people that have invited me over where crazy

1718
01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:43,399
stuff went down and I could walk away going crap.

1719
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:45,000
That was scary, man.

1720
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 10: I know.

1721
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,319
Speaker 3: And look when when you break a stick real close.

1722
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:53,640
And I remember back in two thousand and oh two,

1723
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,399
I was in Tennessee. I had a chance to look

1724
01:46:55,439 --> 01:46:58,520
over Ravine to see and I just couldn't do it,

1725
01:46:59,119 --> 01:47:01,720
you know, made me very nervous. But that was the

1726
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,560
one example. Well, that happens to all of us. Sometimes.

1727
01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,720
Speaker 4: Everybody I've talked to you said, you're a really nice guy.

1728
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:13,439
You're you You're talking. The way the way you talk

1729
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:17,600
and how you your views are makes people comfortable. I

1730
01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,640
can already see that. So you'll get more you'll get

1731
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:27,039
more access to areas than the normal, you know, because

1732
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:30,880
people it's a trust thing. First of all. All of

1733
01:47:30,920 --> 01:47:33,600
this is trust. You know, whether they're dealing with the

1734
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:36,079
Sasquatch or whatever you want to call them, we call

1735
01:47:36,119 --> 01:47:41,920
them boggers down here, and it's just uh. People listen

1736
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:46,479
to Dan and learn from him, not just the information

1737
01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,840
he has, but how he got the information. That's very

1738
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:52,640
important to UH. Don't just go in kicking the gates

1739
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:54,000
down and say, hey, I want to come big foot

1740
01:47:54,039 --> 01:47:56,680
hunting on here. Don't don't do that. You got to

1741
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:59,079
know the people. You got to know the area, you

1742
01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:01,279
know to got to know their traditions.

1743
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 3: Find the history, find out what you can learn, use

1744
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,760
your advantage, find out what they did, find out what

1745
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,199
they bother them, and stick to it. They don't want

1746
01:48:10,319 --> 01:48:12,439
you to do in something a certain way, but don't

1747
01:48:12,520 --> 01:48:14,920
do it. That's a great way to make enemies and

1748
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,000
you're not be invited back again.

1749
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 4: We've got one of the best spots to go to

1750
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,840
Iro and a half from here, and my buddy, my

1751
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,319
buddy's like, y'all can come down here and sit on

1752
01:48:25,319 --> 01:48:26,560
the porch, or we can go out in the woods,

1753
01:48:26,600 --> 01:48:28,039
or you can go down to the river and do that.

1754
01:48:28,439 --> 01:48:31,000
Don't hit any trees, don't be screaming and hollering, don't

1755
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:33,880
do any calls because y'all are going to go back

1756
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:35,560
an hour and halfway. And I got to live with them.

1757
01:48:35,560 --> 01:48:36,760
Don't make them out right.

1758
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:43,319
Speaker 3: Well, I took this year. I took many months to

1759
01:48:43,439 --> 01:48:49,239
study Frederll's Alaska Sasquatch reports. He's got a minimum of

1760
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:52,479
two hundred and seventy five of them. Oh, I read

1761
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:55,640
and studied them all. And I haven't talked too much

1762
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:57,640
on the phone, but I did. We went back and

1763
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:01,479
forth a little bit, and I get I get his philosophy,

1764
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,399
but you keyed it right there. We got to live

1765
01:49:04,479 --> 01:49:08,520
with them, and they got cousins and brothers and neighbors visit,

1766
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:11,319
and we don't know them, and we don't know exactly

1767
01:49:11,399 --> 01:49:14,000
who's going to do what when how, and you know,

1768
01:49:14,319 --> 01:49:17,439
so there's a lot of factors involved. I got a

1769
01:49:17,479 --> 01:49:20,520
new report in one of our local counties, and one

1770
01:49:20,560 --> 01:49:22,319
of my new projects is going to be I want

1771
01:49:22,399 --> 01:49:26,119
to get recordings in all these different counties and then

1772
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:28,199
try to hone in on tea areas and then try

1773
01:49:28,199 --> 01:49:30,239
to get try to help David Ellis a little bit,

1774
01:49:30,520 --> 01:49:35,439
we'll call it anyway, long story short, I hit a

1775
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:38,399
new county. I got a new boss and I asked

1776
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:40,479
him about it. I said, you're an outdoorsman, what do

1777
01:49:40,520 --> 01:49:42,479
you know And he said, I got a buddy of

1778
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:46,359
mine as Native American, he'll probably talk to you, so okay,

1779
01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:49,600
And I told him, here's what I'm after, and he said,

1780
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:51,840
I'll tell him. He came back and he gave me

1781
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:55,239
the exact locations where I needed to go. But he said,

1782
01:49:55,279 --> 01:49:58,279
I'm not going out there with you. And the answer

1783
01:49:58,479 --> 01:50:03,119
was because if they decide they don't like you, they

1784
01:50:03,199 --> 01:50:06,079
might be mad at me for bringing you here. Absolutely,

1785
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:11,279
and that's intriguing, interesting aspect to this why it's a

1786
01:50:11,359 --> 01:50:18,039
good idea to behave properly professionally. People are happy and

1787
01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:21,520
they're glad to see that might reflect on what we're

1788
01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:23,000
looking for, right.

1789
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 4: And I couldn't have said it any better. Y'all. We

1790
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,119
try to I'm trying to get educated. I'm trying to

1791
01:50:33,479 --> 01:50:37,840
help you guys, and Dan just this has been a

1792
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,920
great conversation. I definitely want to continue this down the

1793
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,439
line and I'll call you and we'll talk about some

1794
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:50,159
of the other Yeah, I've learned more about wildlife since

1795
01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:54,039
twenty twenty and my neck of the woods and other

1796
01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:58,960
states and then I have my whole life because of

1797
01:50:59,159 --> 01:51:02,560
studying this. Yeah, and you have to know, you have

1798
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,520
to you have to know, like you said, you know

1799
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:08,760
the sounds your memory bank, so you'll know warning sounds

1800
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:12,439
for this and or something's in distress or so you

1801
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:14,399
can ide it and know that it's not what you're

1802
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:17,920
looking for. And when you're in the dark, everybody knows.

1803
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,239
When you're in the dark one o'clock in the morning,

1804
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:22,720
and you hear something that you've heard of me in time,

1805
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:23,840
that might sound different.

1806
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:29,279
Speaker 3: So's there's deer drums for something else. But those squirrels

1807
01:51:29,359 --> 01:51:30,800
make a heck of a lot of noise.

1808
01:51:31,560 --> 01:51:34,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just And like you said, one of my

1809
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:38,159
favorite things you said tonight, which coming from a hunting background,

1810
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,279
when we had that, I'll just say the fit was

1811
01:51:42,279 --> 01:51:46,399
thrown and it was throwing big big rocks and mumbling

1812
01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:49,920
and pacing in the circle, and the little one screaming uh.

1813
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:58,039
Before that started. Before it started, we noticed some birds

1814
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:02,039
flew out of a true eat and went, uh, I

1815
01:52:02,039 --> 01:52:06,359
think it went southeast. They went about southeast, and I

1816
01:52:06,399 --> 01:52:09,319
told my son, I said, something just flushed those birds

1817
01:52:09,359 --> 01:52:13,119
and they weren't hanging around, so just keep because I

1818
01:52:13,159 --> 01:52:15,920
was thinking more like some other predator, right you hog

1819
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:20,239
or coats or whatever. I wasn't thinking that was about

1820
01:52:20,239 --> 01:52:22,840
to happen. But pay attention to your other animals.

1821
01:52:23,039 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 3: Yep, Flat Rock just made a great comment regarding a gateway.

1822
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:30,479
You know, the gateway to study in Sasquatch just opens

1823
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,640
the door for other wildlife, but the other wildlife opened

1824
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:35,399
the door for him for them.

1825
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 10: Ye, it works both ways.

1826
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:43,279
Speaker 3: Incredible network. Yes, and that's one of the reasons I

1827
01:52:43,319 --> 01:52:46,600
love doing this because of all the wonderful people I've

1828
01:52:46,640 --> 01:52:50,359
been fortunate enough to meet. And thank you you too,

1829
01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:53,960
because you're obviously in the mix. Thank you very very much.

1830
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,399
Speaker 4: Well, and here, here's what we're gonna Where's what we're

1831
01:52:57,399 --> 01:53:01,239
gonna do. So we'll end here, and y'all, y'all know,

1832
01:53:01,319 --> 01:53:03,560
Doug and I have been doing some music for fun

1833
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:05,319
or whatever. He wants me to play one.

1834
01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:07,600
Speaker 3: Like I said, that's my favorite two and so far.

1835
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,560
Speaker 4: Well, we've got a song that I wrote, he produced,

1836
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,560
I'll play that. We've been doing that for about four

1837
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,199
months now and might be able to do something with it.

1838
01:53:19,359 --> 01:53:22,880
I might can help you out. Yeah, I can do

1839
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,439
a little bit myself, but I can't produce like Doug does.

1840
01:53:25,920 --> 01:53:26,680
He's amazing.

1841
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:28,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he is an amazing He's not really a

1842
01:53:28,439 --> 01:53:31,279
human being. He's something I know he doesn't think.

1843
01:53:31,399 --> 01:53:32,520
Speaker 4: I think he's a vampire.

1844
01:53:33,880 --> 01:53:36,800
Speaker 3: But he's sure tricks flying squirrels. I know that.

1845
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 4: I've heard some stories over the phone that I can't tell.

1846
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:45,199
It's like a hilarious So here's what we do.

1847
01:53:45,680 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 7: Uh.

1848
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 4: I've got a song I wrote. It's called a free

1849
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:52,399
Range Soul and it's it's about a guy that kind

1850
01:53:52,439 --> 01:53:54,520
of stepped out of the way of life and let

1851
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:56,479
it go on its pace. He lived it, he's living

1852
01:53:56,479 --> 01:54:00,239
in his own pace. It's one of my favorites. I'm

1853
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:02,159
gonna give you a little heads up, du if you

1854
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:05,279
listen to the beat of this U and Dan, he

1855
01:54:05,359 --> 01:54:09,199
won't doubt this when I say this, Doug. The pace

1856
01:54:09,239 --> 01:54:11,520
of the song. Doug looked up the pace of a

1857
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:16,560
galloping horse and mimicked it and put it in beat

1858
01:54:16,600 --> 01:54:21,119
by beat. So I can't get a picture of a

1859
01:54:21,159 --> 01:54:22,960
horse galloping out of my head. And I know this

1860
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:25,399
doesn't have anything the Bigfoot. It's just with Bigfoot. It's

1861
01:54:25,399 --> 01:54:28,079
just something we do for fun and people that are

1862
01:54:28,119 --> 01:54:31,479
listening tomorrow on Spotify, turn it up, enjoy and then

1863
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,920
we'll do our outro and we'll get out of here.

1864
01:54:33,960 --> 01:54:36,159
Thank y'all so much for being here. Thank you Dan,

1865
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:40,800
Thank everybody, Uh the donations. We didn't say anything, but

1866
01:54:40,840 --> 01:54:45,079
we're shocked when that happens. Thank you so and I'm

1867
01:54:45,079 --> 01:54:47,760
gonna play this and we'll we'll end it. Y'all have

1868
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:51,159
a great weekend and look forward to talking to you again,

1869
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:52,560
mister Dan.

1870
01:54:53,279 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

1871
01:54:54,439 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 4: And here's here's free Range Soul by Eli Colter, written

1872
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:00,640
by me and Doug.

1873
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:25,199
Speaker 12: Gotcha time to leave past me by I just chipped

1874
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:33,840
my hat, stepped down over his wheel, never got swallowed

1875
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,159
up in the tide, over the crowd.

1876
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 7: I dimmed myself out of there again.

1877
01:55:42,720 --> 01:55:45,800
Speaker 3: Dust on my boots, shun.

1878
01:55:45,760 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 7: On my back.

1879
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 3: A man learns early what I can't eat back.

1880
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:08,279
Speaker 5: I come on, any man. The ties is horse where

1881
01:56:08,319 --> 01:56:09,680
the water rons came.

1882
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,199
Speaker 4: We're the tall brass brands say, and.

1883
01:56:16,119 --> 01:56:20,359
Speaker 6: The characters ring, and the sky stays alive between.

1884
01:56:24,199 --> 01:56:27,600
Speaker 4: He ain't worried about promises. It's old world.

1885
01:56:27,680 --> 01:56:28,079
Speaker 6: Can't key.

1886
01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 4: You can't tame a free range sword, A comrade, roast deep.

1887
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:39,359
Speaker 5: I'm just a free range so We're a true grit smile,

1888
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:42,199
never complaints.

1889
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:46,439
Speaker 13: Won't get tamed at.

1890
01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:51,359
Speaker 3: Him crooked man's game.

1891
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:59,880
Speaker 5: I stand tall in the side, Never turn on friends.

1892
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:03,399
Speaker 3: You can't change my free range soul.

1893
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,479
Speaker 2: OI lose.

1894
01:57:21,439 --> 01:57:26,439
Speaker 5: Why some are I want along its line? Heard the

1895
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:29,560
coils cry.

1896
01:57:31,880 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 6: There's a canopy son a longs.

1897
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 14: Some men live near the midnight sky. Some chase gold,

1898
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:46,520
some chase goots, some just arriving when little free range

1899
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:48,000
soul and knows that costs.

1900
01:57:47,840 --> 01:57:49,800
Speaker 5: Chains, and I won't.

1901
01:57:49,920 --> 01:58:01,119
Speaker 12: I'm again, I please.

1902
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:06,399
Speaker 7: My own trail steeps it in the saddle, surehanded him

1903
01:58:06,439 --> 01:58:11,079
the rain, smart enough to.

1904
01:58:11,239 --> 01:58:20,479
Speaker 14: Know you can't rope to win, hold back the plane.

1905
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:25,800
These callouses tell stories, some dust and stubborn days.

1906
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 5: At the end of the trail.

1907
01:58:28,359 --> 01:58:29,239
Speaker 2: I can't all.

1908
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:32,560
Speaker 4: For this silple cowfold.

1909
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:40,920
Speaker 5: I'm just a freeze rain. So with a true great

1910
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:48,760
smile and ever complaints walm cat sangled up.

1911
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 12: Hen crooked Nunning's games.

1912
01:58:56,680 --> 01:59:01,800
Speaker 5: I stands all in the saddle, Never turned on friends.

1913
01:59:02,760 --> 01:59:04,720
Speaker 10: You can't keep my free ring.

1914
01:59:07,279 --> 01:59:09,359
Speaker 6: You'll never get the chill.

1915
01:59:13,239 --> 01:59:15,319
Speaker 4: You'll never get the chill.

1916
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:55,720
Speaker 8: Down in the barns, where the water runs black, where

1917
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,159
the moss hags low and the night leans back the

1918
01:59:59,239 --> 02:00:03,000
stores with f about a shadow tall, big feet moving

1919
02:00:03,079 --> 02:00:04,520
where the moon that fault.

1920
02:00:05,000 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 6: Some say it some saved ghost in the trees.

1921
02:00:08,039 --> 02:00:10,800
Speaker 4: Some say it trouble blowing in with the breeze.

1922
02:00:11,239 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 15: But around here, man, we know the call, or we

1923
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:19,920
just calling friends the squatching howler, So lie that.

1924
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:22,479
Speaker 16: Fer let the cat tell.

1925
02:00:22,439 --> 02:00:28,720
Speaker 5: Say hit the nber copperheads wading hereund in the Georgia fault.

1926
02:00:29,159 --> 02:00:31,640
Speaker 3: That ain't no man, anything, ain't no go.

1927
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:35,439
Speaker 16: When a creek groll's cold and the shadows get taller. Yeah,

1928
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:39,760
your brother in a squatting it just walt get.

1929
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:40,479
Speaker 5: A brave man.

1930
02:00:41,560 --> 02:00:43,439
Speaker 16: But I mind your stamping and squatching.

1931
02:00:43,600 --> 02:01:05,319
Speaker 13: How boody tell me stories about the thing in saut

1932
02:01:05,439 --> 02:01:07,600
to ten foot high with a tomb.

1933
02:01:07,640 --> 02:01:12,079
Speaker 16: But y'all red ice burning like a summer's coat, least

1934
02:01:12,199 --> 02:01:14,560
track thig enough to swallow your sober.

1935
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:16,359
Speaker 5: The old folks laugh, say.

1936
02:01:16,439 --> 02:01:19,279
Speaker 13: Don't you fear if crit has been living here for

1937
02:01:19,479 --> 02:01:21,960
hundreds of years, treat them with respect.

1938
02:01:22,039 --> 02:01:25,039
Speaker 15: When the moon gets smaller and they'll let you live

1939
02:01:25,159 --> 02:01:28,840
in squatching, holler sold that fire.

1940
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:31,079
Speaker 13: Hell, let the swamp drum roll.

1941
02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:34,119
Speaker 2: You can hear that beast right down in your soul.

1942
02:01:34,279 --> 02:01:37,399
Speaker 13: If you hear her ground from the river, call it

1943
02:01:37,520 --> 02:01:40,399
ain't no boat frout balking that lord.

1944
02:01:40,319 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 16: Little swamp runners stealing the crickets get salt to y'all

1945
02:01:43,960 --> 02:01:47,479
lie alone in the spotting hollow weather brave thing.

1946
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,920
Speaker 4: Ties in the fools off nother horder.

1947
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,520
Speaker 16: Can't watching that spatching holler.

1948
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:25,880
Speaker 13: Some say guards it old pine ridge.

1949
02:02:26,079 --> 02:02:30,279
Speaker 8: Some say he walks from bridge to bridge, warm things show.

1950
02:02:30,399 --> 02:02:35,000
Speaker 15: When the night comes down, something big still calls it scrowned.

1951
02:02:37,439 --> 02:02:41,239
Speaker 13: So bank that fall and the night get deep at

1952
02:02:41,279 --> 02:02:44,399
the willows win for whither cut up creeps. If you

1953
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:49,159
catch us glimpse through the midnight, holler, just now your head, don't.

1954
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 16: Scream, and holler the brother wild on stree and the

1955
02:02:52,079 --> 02:02:56,079
legends get taller at the wherever it runs in swatching Holly,

1956
02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,000
we ain't scared, but we show stayed cast us down.

1957
02:03:00,079 --> 02:03:02,119
Speaker 4: In the corner that squatching hole.

1958
02:03:04,680 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 12: M h

1959
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:22,920
Speaker 7: M