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Speaker 3: What's up, everybody, Paul ABERNECTI here, Welcome to another episode

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of Master the NEC where we talk about the National

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Electrical Code, all things electrical, just about any topic, anytime, anywhere,

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on any subject that is pertinent Okay, So it's a

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big word for me. If you listen to the people

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on social media, it's a big word for me. And

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so today's episode, we're gonna talk a little bit about

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kind of an after show from the live that we

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did last night with inspector Preston.

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Speaker 2: Very impressed with him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've taught literally thousands of inspectors, probably more

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than that when all the years that I was with

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teaching for inter Nachi, and you know, he is very impressive,

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not just the way he answers, but his thought process.

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And you know what, it's always a childnge when you

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run into people that actually will do older homes, because again,

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there's there's a lot of things in an older home,

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and the home inspector immediately would like to just red

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flag everything to stand out and just cause all kinds

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of problems for the sale, but they may be legit,

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and so you've got to walk that fine line. And

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I think Preston does a great job of that. And

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I haven't seen any these reports, but I can kind

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of I'm typically a good judge of people, especially in

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the realm of home inspection, uh, and it sure seems

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to me that he's got his his stuff together, and

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so again I wish him all the success. He's obviously

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doing amazing on social media, these over half a million followers.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not big on the follower thing.

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Speaker 3: I think it's you know, you know my opinion on

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social media in my in this this quote influence. But actually,

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of the home inspectors that are in that social whatever

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you want to call it sphere, I think the one

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that you should follow is probably Inspector Preston. I think

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that he probably gives you the best value of knowledge

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than than any of them, uh, and most certainly more

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than some of them, right who are just doing nothing

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but inspecting new home builds that the municipal inspector should

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have caught the stuff before it made it to a

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home inspector or you're just doing a manufacturer of homes

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that just are notoriously creating shitty homes.

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Speaker 2: Uh that just about anybody could probably find the problem.

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But that's all right.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get fanned about fan boys, because

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I get enough of that hate. So anyway, we're gonna

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talk about that a little bit today, a little bit

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about home inspectors for anybody out there that's looking to

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become a home inspector. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not

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gonna recommend any association uh on this episode, although you

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know I am a CMI, so I you know, went

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through the inner Nachi thing. But uh, you know, ashy

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uh is great.

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Speaker 2: You know, Nachi is great. I thank you. You know.

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Speaker 3: Uh, there's nothing wrong with joining multiple associations, especially if

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you're get into the business and you're wanting to gain knowledge,

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because again there's different opinions, different types of training that

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you can get from any organization. So if you're looking

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to get into it, there's a lot of educational material

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now intern out, she does have a lot of material. Now,

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the quality of the material lately, I don't know because

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I don't watch it and I haven't done any electrical

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training for them or refreshing anything from the first video

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that I did for them, which I look like a

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beached fricking whale. That was back Gosh, that's going to

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be close to twenty years ago, and you know, I've

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lost about ninety pounds since then. So but anyway, that

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being what it is, y'all don't watch that shit to

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look at me anyway. So still knowledge, the knowledge is

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still there. It's still the same content. It's still the

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same home inspection driven type of content. So I encourage

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you to look at all kinds of associations. But let's

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talk a little bit today. Maybe you're interested in getting

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in the home inspection, and I'll give you my opinions,

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because again, I was one, and I taught a lot

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of them, and I'm associated with a lot of them

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as far as helping them and giving them in site

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and training. But I'll tell you, when it comes to electricians,

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there's usually a love hate relationship. The first thing that

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out of electricians' mouth is is is efed up home

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inspector or there's piece of whatever home inspector. And you

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don't notoriously hear that the other way around, right, You

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don't hear home inspectors bashing electricians except when they get

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bashed by the home inspector. Home inspector seems to want

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to get all the attention and things like that, But

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at the end of the day, the electricians are the

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one that are usually whining and moaning and groaning about

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the home inspector. Usually usually not the other way around,

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except for some select home inspectors which try to be

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electricians and they're not. Okay, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, revelation,

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you do home inspections. Stick to home inspection, all right? Anyway,

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I guess it doesn't get enough click. So whatever, whatever

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the click thing is, you know that that seems to

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be the thing now social media. Boy, the more clicks

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you have, the means you're knowledgeable. Boy, that's so far

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from the damn truth.

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Speaker 2: Uh. There's people that have millions of clicks and they're

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dumb as a rock.

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Speaker 3: But people like their videos and they create neat content

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and people follow. That doesn't make them an authority by

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any means.

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Speaker 2: But I digress. So I don't need to go there.

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Speaker 3: Well anyway, So let's talk a little bit about home inspections,

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why they're important for me as an electrician and in understanding.

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Speaker 2: The concepts of home inspection.

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Speaker 3: So I'm speaking to you, you know, electricians, I embrace

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the home inspector. Not all of them are created equal,

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not of them all are great, some are just mediocre,

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some are poor. Same with electricians. We have the same

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problems in all trades, so better than others.

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Speaker 2: Uh. At the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: From an electrician standpoint, A home inspector brings me business,

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and you're electrical contractor and you're in the business to

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make money. You're in a business to make money, Okay,

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So if a home inspector brings you business, you should

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embrace that business. And if something they say is you

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disagree with, my advice really is not to bad mouth them,

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not to bash to the customer. I mean that we've

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talked about that in my soft skills. You don't need

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to do that to a customer. I mean, it's okay

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if you want to get quote angry on social media,

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but you don't work.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way.

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Speaker 3: For the customer, Okay, especially if they feel pretty loyal

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to the person, even though they were feeding them bs.

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have to break. And it's no sense in trashing somebody

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and running the risk of them getting a bad impression

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of you that you're going to have to overcome.

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Speaker 2: It's just not worth it.

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Speaker 3: So electricians, you know, if you get a report, there's

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things on the report to fix you know that there bs. Right,

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It's like calling it a double tap to a breaker

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when the breaker's designed to handle two conductors. But the

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inspector calls it a double tap. Okay, you know that

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that's not the case because the breakers, but they don't

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necessarily know that. They just see two conductors to a breaker,

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and you're saying, well, they should know that, Well they

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may not. Okay, they may not understand all the nuances

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because you got to remember, and I think.

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Speaker 2: I always have to reiterate this. Home inspectors are generalists.

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Speaker 3: The problem with some of them out there, the ones

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that want attention on social media, they go beyond the

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generalists and they try to get into the expert area,

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even argue with experts, and the reality is they look

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foolish in doing so. But they still got their fanboys

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that'll follow anyway and jump on that bandwagon and what not,

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what not.

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Speaker 2: I get it. It's fine, no big deal.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, if you're going

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to put yourself out there as a home inspector, then

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you should walk that generalist line and do it that way.

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for the glamour, for the fame, for the whatever they

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feel like it gives them on social media. They'll do

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certain things and that's fine, that's fine. The real home

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inspectors like Inspector Preston, which is unique because Preston has

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a social media presence, but he's the real deal as

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far as an inspector, and he does older homes. That's

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not that he's going to shy away from new stuff,

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because I'm sure he'll take it, but he primarily in

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the area he's at or older home, so he's going

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and so he's going to have to make recommendations to

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the customer. And it doesn't automatically mean that in a

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report you have to come off as an extreme alarmist.

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There's a tactful way to do it, and you can

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put something in that requires additional attention, and there's nothing

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wrong with that. If you really honestly feel that in

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your report, it's you duty to put that in your

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report as a home inspector.

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Speaker 2: Now, as an.

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Speaker 3: Electrician, I may disagree with something in the report, but

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I'm still getting paid to come out and look at it.

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wine about this, I don't understand it because you're still

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getting paid. Now, unless you feel like this, it's some

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kind of I don't know ethic thing. I mean, look,

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the home inspector's not fixing it, he's calling it out

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for you to evaluate it. There's nothing wrong, I mean,

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there's there's electrical contractors that do a lot of the

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valuations of electrical systems.

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Speaker 2: That's all it is. And if it is something legit,

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you fix it.

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Speaker 3: If it's not, you address to the customer and say,

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I get what the report said. But you know, there's

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a generalist and there's an expert. I'm the expert, and

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this is okay or yes they're correct.

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Speaker 2: We need to fix it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, either or but you can do it with professionalism

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and tactfulness. And there is no part of me that

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thinks some of the social media home inspectors have no

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idea what tactfulness is because you can tell by how

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they post online that they just there isn't there is

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any tactfulness to it at all when you're working with

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Speaker 2: So anyway, that's my thought on that.

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Speaker 3: So home inspectors bring electual contractors business, and you know

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I tell people all the time, so this is more

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service related when it brings the home inspector brings the

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electrician business. Because in a real estate agent or the

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you know what happens is I guess we should step

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back if for those that aren't familiar with it. When

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you get a home inspection, which is typically an option

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on every home sale, and if a home is sold

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multiple times, it's probably had multiple inspections, so you're thinking, Okay,

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everything should have been caught in the other inspection. But again,

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not every inspector is at the same level, so some

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things get found. Some people are more knowledgeable than others.

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other than the bare minimum they need to maintain their

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certification or license, which is never a good thing. You

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always want to be striving to learn more.

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Speaker 2: I get it. Takes time, it takes money, takes commitment.

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that much time. Yeah you too, you know you do.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, when you think about it, in those realms,

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who else is better to put their eyes on something

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multiple times during transactions than the home inspector. I mean,

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I'm electrician, I'm not going to get in there, and

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I mean, by the time he gets called in, the

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shit's already messed up. But if he had a second

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set of eyes and other people that were looking at

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things during sales and transactions and all, and then they

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can refer to him, then you go fix it. If

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it's nothing to be fixed, you just don't fix it.

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You say there's no need for that. You gave your

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professional opinion.

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Speaker 2: And you move on. But you cash the check. You know,

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people say that's just honest. No, it's not.

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Speaker 3: If the home inspector called it out and you're the

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electrician and they want you to evaluate it, you evaluated it,

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you should get paid for your time. I you know

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a good example of this also, And my brother is

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a classic case of this. I love him to death,

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but you know he doesn't feel right if he gets out,

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goes out to a call and it's you know, I

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was going to use the saying of an older person,

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but we're all getting rapidly old. And you go out

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and you just do nothing more than reset a GFCI

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and he says, I just don't feel right charging them

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at my minimum an hour rate.

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Speaker 2: And that's that's that's him and I get it. Me.

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Speaker 3: I never had that problem because I know that overheads, burdens,

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costs of insurance. It's all broken down over how many

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times I have to turn that key in my vehicle

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to get to leave my office to go do something.

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Money is already being spent, so I need to at

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least recoup it. And I'm not in business not to

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make money. I mean, fuck, why would you be in

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business if you're not making money? Okay, So anyway, so

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in this scenario, you've got a charge, and I got

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my one hour minimum, regardless of whether or not I

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fixed it in ten minutes.

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Speaker 2: But one thing that was different from me, and I say.

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Speaker 3: This a lot to electricians, you know, I say that,

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you know you need to give them their hour.

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Speaker 2: They're paying for it.

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Speaker 3: And you're think, well, if I get in and out

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of there and I do a bunch of these and

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the money adds up and I spent less time, No,

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I don't. That's not the way I do business. You

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do whatever you want your business.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. That's not how I do business.

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Speaker 3: I do business in a sense that they're paying for

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an hour, I'm gonna give an hour. So I'm either

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going to give them a thermal inspection. I'm going to

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give them a visual inspection. I'm going to offer to

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make recommendations, whether they want them or not. I'm going

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to give them that opportunity. If they say no, I decline,

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then that's fine. I at least made the offer. And

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I'm also it's going to be very transparent. I'm going

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to say, look, you're paying a minimum.

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Speaker 2: Of an hour.

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Speaker 3: I fixed your issue in ten minutes, twenty minutes, whatever

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it is, but I owe you that hour. So while

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I'm here, I would like to do an evaluation of

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your electrical system to give you the peace of mind. Again,

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it's not pressuring you to do anything as just part

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of what we do. Because we feel like you're paying

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for an hour. We want to give you the hour,

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and you know what, you'd be surprised what other business

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you can get out of it, or the reputation that

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you build or the rapport that you build, and you

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have an opportunity to educate the customer while you're there

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and all that good stuff. So there's ways to do it,

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and not every mom and pop is going to do

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it that way.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 3: But when you think of you know kind of going

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back to home inspections. There are a set of eyes

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that we don't get to see stuff as often as

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they do because every transaction typically going to have the

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option for a home inspection. And yeah, they may call

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out some things that are you know, that you might

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disagree with. As an electrician, they might call out and

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you might say, that's fine, that's okay, that's okay. Their

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job is done.

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Speaker 2: They moved on. Now it's your turn and you don't

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have to bash the inspector. You can just go.

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Speaker 3: In my professional opinion, this is not an issue. Now

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they can choose who they want to believe or who

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they want to follow. That got to remember home inspections. Okay,

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I'll say this again. Home inspections are optional and the results.

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Speaker 2: Of a home inspection are part of a negotiation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the seller in the buyer are in a

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negotiation to purchase. Okay, So the buyer desires to have

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a home inspection. The home inspection is done, they have

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a list of items that they would like to be addressed.

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I'm not going to say fixed, because they need to

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be addressed. Okay, they may need to be fixed, but

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they got to be addressed and they've been identified by

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a home inspector.

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Speaker 2: This is now given to the seller.

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Speaker 3: The seller will pass this on to an electrician that

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they hire, or they can flat out deny it and

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say I'm not fixing squat. Take it as it is,

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and then it will come back to the buyer to

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determine whether these things are easy enough to fix, not

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a big deal, something that they can absorb.

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Speaker 2: And the seller could say, you know what, I'm going

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to give you.

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Speaker 3: One thousand dollars towards fixing all these issues, but I

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don't want to mess with it. See it's a negotiation,

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that's all it is. But an inspection is important because

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it finds things. And I was very impressed, and this

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is not always the case. I was very impressed with

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Inspector Preston's.

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Speaker 2: Statement about thermography because I tried.

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Speaker 3: If you listen to the show, it's actually over on

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our YouTube channel. If you haven't listened or watched it,

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it's also available on fast tracks Tube now for free,

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so you can go check out how our platform works

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over on fast tracks Tube. You get to watch that

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for free over there, so you get to see how

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neat that app is, how neat that thing adapts to

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a mobile device.

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Speaker 2: And it's pretty cool. Go check it out. It's worth it,

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worth looking at.

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Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, he believes in thermography.

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In fact, he owns three thermal imaging cameras. Shit, he's

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got as many as I have. And I teach this. I,

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you know, created a certification program I have.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if you had more.

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Speaker 3: I got more than three, but usually I have the

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lower grade ones to show people the difference in the

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pixels and the adjustments and all that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, so I use it for that.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, he does thermal imaging, and I don't know

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if we were offline. Offline, I asked him, I said,

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and you know, do you load these circuits? Typically with

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thermal imaging, it doesn't do you any good unless you got.

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Speaker 2: Some low going through it.

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Speaker 3: And he immediately said yes. He's got a little heater

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he brings in there. He plugs in to the circuits

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and it'll heat up pretty quickly because it's a higher amp,

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so it's more like a little heater with resistive heater,

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and it's not going to take long. If you've got

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a pretty good resistive heater that's pulling twelve thirteen amps.

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It's not gonna take long, and you could be doing

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other things and you're checking these these circuits and you're

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there usually for three or four hours for home inspection anyway,

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So you're looking at something, looking at something. Didn't go

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check a circuit then run back. I mean you have

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to coordinate it. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass,

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but you have to coordinate it. But at the end

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of the day, the fact that he said that immediately

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lets me know that he understands thermography. And you know,

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now do you need to do that's only electrical when

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it comes to plumbing and running hot waterlines and cold

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and looking for wet spots, which you you need a

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moisture meter, because again with thermography blue if that's what

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your palette is blue, whether it's cold air or blue,

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whether it's cold water, it's gonna look essentially the same.

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Now you can notice with the air it stays blue consistent,

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but with water it starts to graduate or gradiate or

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gradients starts to happen towards the end. But you need

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a higher pixel camera to see that. But if you

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get good at it, you can tell. But anyway, the

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point was he did it. And then then we talked

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about drones and incorporating the drone into your thermogra into

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your home inspection, and we got into a little we're

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talking about the classification for a professional drone operator. I'll

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be honest with you, most home inspections I would tell you,

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and I don't want to tell you to break the law,

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but I'm like, dude, you're just flying it over the house,

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screw the licensing for you, just don't share it on

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social media whatnot like that. Yeah, I get it, Paul's

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telling you to do something, but at the end of

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the day, that FAA crap is a bunch of crap.

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It is a bunch of crap. Yes, I am certified.

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I do have a life because I used to share

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videos for drones on YouTube, which is a paid platform.

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It's my only paid platform. So at the end of

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the day, yes, I went and got it. But at

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the end of the day, I thought it was a

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crock of crap having to learn the classes of airspace

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and all that shit when you're just doing home inspections

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and you're just gonna be looking at the roof and

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a couple of feet off of you it's total crock

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but anyway you do you But at the end of

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the day, the fact that he did that was, you know,

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tells me that this is a this is a home

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spect that spends the right amount of time on a job.

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Just it's not about getting in and getting out and

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doing as quickly and being so.

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Speaker 2: We're in the world now where everything is so quickly.

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Speaker 3: You know, you watch electrical videos on social media and

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they're trying to cut a box in. It's it's almost

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like it's you know, like the OS where they're trying to, Okay,

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let the timer go off, how quickly I rough it in.

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It's almost like what happened to the skill, the neat

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the work, you know, the neat work, and it's just

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all quick now. Granted you can be neat and still

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be quick. I'm just saying it just seems like that's

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a shifted focus and I'd rather you take the extra

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I'd rather pay my technician to take the extra time

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to make it neat and accurate than trying to be

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so fast. Anyway, I'm strolling like I always do, off topic.

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Home inspectors, so I think they bring a massive value

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to the industry. Good home inspectors. Bad home inspectors are

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just looking for attention and they're pointing out things that

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you probably could find yourself anyway. And so you know,

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it's the ones that have the experience. Now I can

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tell you right now, I will take a home inspector

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who does older homes over the ones that all they

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typically do day in and day out is the newer stuff.

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You know why because the codes were different back then,

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things were different, and you're looking for certain things. They

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know how to inspect he exchangers, they know how to

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look for the thermal barrier. They know this stuff because

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you're used to dealing with older homes that weren't up

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to energy codes and things like that. So they've developed

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the knowledge of these things that they're looking for. Not

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the guys that do the d R. Horton holmes that are.

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You know, that's a municipal inspector's issue. If they're missing stuff, Okay,

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they need to address that, okay, But especially in an

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industry where even the electricians in certain states don't even

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have good licensure or good requirements, that's kind of scary

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as well.

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Speaker 2: Ok But.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so I think home inspectors bring an incredible value

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to the industry. I think they give electricians a set

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of eyes. I think they bring revenue to the electrician.

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I think that home inspectors can call out things. I

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do believe that you have to do things in a

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way that you're not an alarmist unless it is truly

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something that's very serious. Now, maybe the fact that the

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vast majority of the inspection reports uh. And by the way,

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I did learn that that Inspector Preston has an inspection software.

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Y'all might want to reach out to him if you're

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a home inspector and talk to him about software because

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I believe he created some software that is uh. You

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know that again, who better to buy software from from

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a guy who's used to been doing inspections for a

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long time, is very knowledgeable. So I mean, dude, if

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you're a home inspector and you want a good reporting software,

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I check you out Inspector Preston. I'm you you won't

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be hard to find him on on TikTok or other

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social media platforms. Factor you just google Inspector Preston, New

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York and you'll be able to find him and see

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what he's got. I don't know, we didn't talk about it,

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but you know, see what he's got to offer if

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you're in if you're in that industry, home inspections. So

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kind of to summarize here my thoughts on home inspectors.

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One to all the electricians out there that will be

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hating on home inspectors. Look, they're not all created equal.

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I get it, neither all the electricians. All you got

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to do is spend a couple hours on TikTok, Instagram, whatever,

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and you realize that people post the dumbest shit and

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they don't even check it for violation. And I'm gonna

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be honest with you, you are not a good electrician. You

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can be the best looking work in the world, you

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can do, run the best runs of conduit, you could

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do the all world. That doesn't make you a great electrician.

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I don't care what you say. I don't care you

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do commercial only doesn't make you better than residential. You

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do industrial doesn't make you better than residential or commercial.

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You do service that make you a lesser of an

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electrician than anybody that does. Make It's all electrical. The

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electrons don't know any different.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. So at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: When you think about it, home inspectors bring value to

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every electrician as another set of eyes. And you know what,

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as an electrician, you're out there to correct the issues,

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but you don't have to flame things out so badly

504
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unless they are legit. So that means it means you

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need to increase your training. You need to think about

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how you report things on your report. If it's obviously

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a serious issue, you call it out right, you know, so.

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Speaker 2: It's it's all relevant.

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Speaker 3: But I think home inspectors bring an incredible value to

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the industry.

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Speaker 2: The good ones.

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Speaker 3: The bad ones can hurt the industry, and so the

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good ones, you know, And what hurts the industry is

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instead of the electricians embracing the home inspectors saying they

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make me a lot of money, okay, because that's how

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I think they bring make me a lot of money.

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And I'm not here to justify what they put in

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the report. I'm just here to answer and give my

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expert opinion on the report that my client hired me for.

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I'm not going to bash the home inspector. I'm not

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going to say they suck or they don't need to

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be doing this, So that is none of my customer's business, zero,

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none of their business. All I'm here to do is

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give my opinion.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's where people have a problem. The

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buyer in the seller are negotiating. The seller hires an

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electrician to look at the report that the buyer's inspector generated, right,

529
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and then they look at this report, and the electrician,

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who's feeling like they have a fiduciary responsibility to this seller,

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starts bashing the home inspector because they're part of a

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different party. You shouldn't be doing that, I'm telling you

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right now, electricians, you should not be doing that. Be professional.

534
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Just look at the report, address each item. If something

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looks really crazy, you can still address it tactfully and say,

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in my professional opinion, I don't think this is a

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00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,599
concern you need to worry about. And I'll give you

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the language that you can reply back to the buyer

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with it based on your professional opinion.

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Speaker 2: Now, if the.

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Speaker 3: Buyer wants to take the home inspector's decision or over

542
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the electrician who's the professional, then that's that's between them.

543
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That's part of the negotiation. I don't get involved in that,

544
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because you know the seller's gonna the buyer is going

545
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to say, oh, sure, the electrician would say that because

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he's representing the buyer. This is why I talk about

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integrity all the time when I say that as the

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electrician it's hired, or as the inspector, I am not

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on camp anybody. I'm not on Camp seller, I'm not

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on Camp buyer. I'm an independent third party sent there

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to do an evaluation. I don't give a crap whether

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the person buys a home or doesn't buys a home.

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Speaker 2: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: And so when I walk into that situation, I make

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it very clear I'm going to give you an opinion.

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Speaker 2: On what I see. That's it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to sway it either way. Don't ask

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me to write something in a certain way that's more persuasive.

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I'm going to be professional in my report, and I

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expect the electrician to do the exact same thing. Sadly,

561
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that's not what we see, and that is why the

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industry gets tainted because a vast majority of electricians will

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make derogatory comments about home inspectors. But we're starting to

564
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see a lot of electricians like Terrence. Terrence comes to

565
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,720
our coffee hours he's a you know, you know, been

566
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:28,799
a follower a long time. Last night in the chat

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he made it clear that he says, dude, I don't

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00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,680
say anything. I make good money from the home inspectors. Absolutely,

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00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,200
that's the mentality you need to have. You don't need

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to bash them, just answer and dress the questions professionally.

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That's why I recommend trade hog because you can write

572
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something out, then you pop it in trade hog and

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ask it to translate it into something more professional. It'll

574
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,920
keep it technical and it'll give you a translation. That's

575
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,079
really the office Hog, which is the back end that

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you use for things like that. But the point is tactfulness.

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You don't need to be an alarmist unless it's truly

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something to be alarmed. Now, maybe do that the home

579
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,440
spector just doesn't know, and he is an alarmist because

580
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he or she doesn't know. Well, that's where you need

581
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to get more education. Okay, more education in what you do.

582
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And it takes me back to the beginning of this podcast.

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Speaker 2: The associations. The associations have training.

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Speaker 3: They need to do better if you feel like they're lacking,

585
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but I think they do a pretty good job. Whether

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00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:36,000
it's ashi or Nachi or whatever. I think as far

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as an association, I think that all home inspectors should

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at least take the National Home Inspector Exam.

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Speaker 2: I believe you. I believe every home inspector should take

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that and pass it. I passed it.

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Speaker 3: I believe everybody should pass it, regardless of the association

592
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:55,440
you're in. Regardless because it's a pretty tough little test

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00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,640
for home inspectors and you need to be tested.

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Speaker 2: I'm serious.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's my thoughts on that. Hope you enjoyed

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something in today's podcast. Take it away from you again. Electricians,

597
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:11,640
stop bashing home inspectors. Home inspectors, stop bashing electricians. Home inspectors.

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00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,519
Be very tactful in your reports and be very professional Electricians.

599
00:31:16,759 --> 00:31:19,920
Just answer what they put. Don't interject your personal feelings

600
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,400
into it. Just address it and give your personal opinion.

601
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,079
If you disagree, that's fine. It's okay to disagree, but

602
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,880
you don't need to embellish it. Stop bashing. Stay professional.

603
00:31:29,279 --> 00:31:32,359
Kick and people say, wow, Paul saying that with the

604
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,200
crap he says on social media, that's right, because I'm

605
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,680
neither the electrician or the home inspector. I'm just a

606
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,279
talking head on the Internet. That's it, so I can

607
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,319
say what the hell I want to say. All right,

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All right, folks, untill next time, Stay safe, God blessed,

609
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and we'll catch you on another episode of Master the NEC.

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Speaker 2: Take care.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning into another electrifying episode of the Master

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the NEET podcast. We hope you're feeling more powered up

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