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<v Speaker 1>Wigan handed. The Nights are spanking York missed tackles, they

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<v Speaker 1>have to be thanking the wire. I had a night

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<v Speaker 1>to forget lead to worth a title winning bet. Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>about last week's podcast break. We did that for John's

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<v Speaker 1>domestics sake. Welcome to episode twenty five of Super League

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty, a podcast primarily about the top tier of

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<v Speaker 1>British rugby league, but we do some other things as well,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be doing today. My name is Lee

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<v Speaker 1>Addison and my name is John Davidson. You were busy

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<v Speaker 1>last week, John, that was yeah. I just had some

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<v Speaker 1>time off, a bit of a quiet one. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>coach in Australia, Johnny's journal in the UK. But please

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<v Speaker 1>read previous Sorry, listen to previous episodes or read the

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions to find out exactly who we are. Otherwise, this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast will be three hours long. This is also being

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<v Speaker 1>aired on Rugby League dot Com. Thank you to those guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can watch it on YouTube on Rugby League

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<v Speaker 1>Coach Rugby League tweet of the Week. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>give it to Steve mask Aad and Paul Schoolthorpe the

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<v Speaker 1>ninety the eighteen ninety five Cup final, Steve Massquad said,

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<v Speaker 1>is going to lose a shitload of money unless they

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<v Speaker 1>get the venue for free. Monday Witness versus London Rugby

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<v Speaker 1>League is a broke sport. The Championship has no broadcast deal.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that they would hire a venue in Birmingham

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<v Speaker 1>or something has no relation to reality. Steve was having

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a ramp there. John, Yeah, I he

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<v Speaker 1>was on fire this morning. I did a commented one

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<v Speaker 1>of the tweets saying are you fired up?

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<v Speaker 2>How you fired up? Mate? And he didn't respond That's

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<v Speaker 2>how far up he was. But yeah, he was. He

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<v Speaker 2>was a man on a mission on social media today

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<v Speaker 2>or yesterday?

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday it was your time. It wasn't today because I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it. What was it about? What's his eighteen ninety five?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't got well.

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<v Speaker 2>Effectively, they've finally announced where the final will be played,

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<v Speaker 2>which is at Warrington. I think obviously it's Witness Speed

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<v Speaker 2>London in the final. I think a lot of London

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<v Speaker 2>fans are unhappy obviously that they'll have to travel that

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<v Speaker 2>far to a ground which is obviously very close to Witness. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we could probably do a whole podcast on the eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety five Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think, why don't you explain what it is

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<v Speaker 1>for those who don't know, first of all, because we've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of listeners in Australia who want have

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<v Speaker 1>a clue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so it was invented, I'm going to say six. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's effectively a competition for all the clubs outside of

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<v Speaker 2>Super League, so for the Championship, well for the Championship

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<v Speaker 2>in League One clubs, which is now just the Championship

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<v Speaker 2>clubs because there is no League One. And the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of it was have it at Wembley the same day

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<v Speaker 2>as the Challenge Cup final. It's an opportunity for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>these clubs that look no chance in hell of getting

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<v Speaker 2>to a Challenge Cup final, but they could have their

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<v Speaker 2>day in the sun at Wembley. Now, part of the

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<v Speaker 2>problem has always been that it had to be played

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<v Speaker 2>because of the scheduling of the day. It had to

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<v Speaker 2>be played after the final, so literally there'd be two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand people in Wembley after the main game left to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it. So that never really worked and so they've

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<v Speaker 2>taken that away because of the cost. This year, for

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<v Speaker 2>some reason, they've decided to had have a public holiday

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<v Speaker 2>on a Monday. I think it's three pm or two

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<v Speaker 2>pm a day after the last Championship round of games

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<v Speaker 2>regularly the games, which is weird, and now they're having

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<v Speaker 2>at Warrington now yeah, I mean, I think Steve's just

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<v Speaker 2>been very blunt with some facts there which won't go

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<v Speaker 2>down well with a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>And was it a late announcement or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was announced last week at some point

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<v Speaker 2>they'd only announced that the date of the final was

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<v Speaker 2>on that Monday in August at the end of August,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago, which also didn't go down well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it also doesn't have a naming right sponsor, so

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<v Speaker 2>it did. It used to be sponsored by ab Sundex,

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<v Speaker 2>which is Derek Beaumont's company, and he stopped sponsoring it

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of last year. So it's a competition,

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<v Speaker 2>a cup to be honest, without a lot of value,

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<v Speaker 2>no sponsor, no media coverage, no TV deal. And also

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the IMG points that you previously if you'd

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<v Speaker 2>won it, you don't get any either this year. So

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<v Speaker 2>why we're still persisting with this I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there was another one. There's a late entry. Paul

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<v Speaker 2>skull for MBA. No less, this is a dreadful advert

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<v Speaker 2>for super League full stop, terrible, full stop. What was

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<v Speaker 2>he talking about though, He was talking about the Sint

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<v Speaker 2>Helens Alsfield game today, which which Sint Helens won pretty comfortably.

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<v Speaker 2>What I found interesting is that I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know Paul. I've never spoken to him, interviewed him.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously he was a great player, wasn't he a

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<v Speaker 2>great Britain regular, probably one of the best English players

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<v Speaker 2>of the last thirty years. Yeah, and obviously some of

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<v Speaker 2>Helen's legend. He's been and he's been a pundit for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. He's, you know, sometimes on Sky. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>particularly scathing in recent months about St Helens, about their recruitment,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do wonder because he's previously not been like

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<v Speaker 2>this before, whether he's you know, he's got issue with

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<v Speaker 2>the coach or how they deal with Paul Wellens, or

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<v Speaker 2>just the direction of the club. It's really interesting. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't. He didn't pointy punches, did he with that?

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<v Speaker 2>With that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, Johnny tweet of the week is actually a retweet.

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<v Speaker 1>I've not given you the honor of one of your

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<v Speaker 1>tweets being the tweet of the week this week, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was the random South guy. Rarely disappoints because I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to talk about that concept of the random

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<v Speaker 1>Seuths guy. I'm sure I saw him at the Capital

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<v Speaker 1>Insurrection on January the sixth in twenty twenty or whenever

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<v Speaker 1>it was. He does literally seem to pop up everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>the random suth guy. Now, the random South guy isn't

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<v Speaker 1>one guy, is it. It's anybody in a South shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of this came up prior to AI

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<v Speaker 1>being so good that you could just do these things

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<v Speaker 1>on a whim. So why do South Jerseys keep popping

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<v Speaker 1>up everywhere? That's what I want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a bit of a phenomenon. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you could say. One of the oldest clubs

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia and have won more Premierships than the other

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<v Speaker 2>and have got a very large fan base, but they

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<v Speaker 2>do pop up everywhere from World Cup soccer to wimbled

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, they probably would have been one at the

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<v Speaker 2>JFK assassination in Dealley Plaza in nineteen sixty three. You

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<v Speaker 2>sayim in WrestleMania, Yeah it is. It always is a

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<v Speaker 2>tackle when you see one of a global event. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I have two theories, one being the role of Russell

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<v Speaker 1>Crowe in the fact that his own club now being

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<v Speaker 1>an owner of the club for I think two decades now,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, that would mean the Jerseys just slip

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<v Speaker 1>into places retail wise that others don't. Secondly, the design,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the design pretty much hasn't changed, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>and it stands out and it's plain, and it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>quite iconic. So Thirdly, I think when they got kicked

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<v Speaker 1>out the competition all those years ago, I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people just spread, like Yoda in Star Wars just went

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<v Speaker 1>into isolation, just went into exile. I think so many

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<v Speaker 1>South people did, and and that's why they're popping up

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<v Speaker 1>in all these places. So if you see a random

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<v Speaker 1>South sky, please take a picture. Sorry, go on, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just going to say, just on that with the

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<v Speaker 1>Russell crow thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember there was a phase I think in

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<v Speaker 2>the early two thousands we always had Hollywood A listers

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<v Speaker 2>at games wearing South Jersey. It's like Tom Cruise, Snoop Dogg,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, Pamela Anderson.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure that's plan to helped, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>the to the masses as well. Yeah, that would have

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<v Speaker 1>definitely helped. Now I want to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 1>the super League table and the difference with the NRL table. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I just put my coffee from my takeaway cup into

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<v Speaker 1>my normal cup. The super League table, John is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot easier to read because you don't get points for

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<v Speaker 1>a buye. Well, there's no there's no buys first of all.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the NRL ladder you have to do a

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<v Speaker 1>quick calculation because they get two points for a buye.

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<v Speaker 1>Why in the NRL do we give two points for

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<v Speaker 1>a buye?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually know the reasoning for that. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>good question.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a really good segment that we've just put together.

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<v Speaker 1>There on a whim, Leeds Rhos the top of the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason this is so easy to read is

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<v Speaker 1>because I can look and see played fifteen. Yeah, twelve, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so Leeds are on twenty four points, Warrington still in

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<v Speaker 1>second on twenty two, but they've only played fourteen. Who

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<v Speaker 1>k are have only played fourteen and they're right up

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<v Speaker 1>there now in twenty on twenty points, so their resurrection

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<v Speaker 1>is well underway. Everyone else has actually played fifteen, So

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<v Speaker 1>wiggan Aer in fourth on twenty, Wakefielder in fifth on twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's are in sixth on twenty, so that's the

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<v Speaker 1>top six. Lee Leopard's in seventh on sixteen, Catalans on sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Another resurrection under JC? How often is the resurrection under JC?

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<v Speaker 2>Have to ask?

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<v Speaker 1>That's John cart right for those wondering his old club. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>cas for Tigers are in ninth. That's good from them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in twelfth. They've they've snuck up jc's old club

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<v Speaker 1>all left. C are in tenth on ten points, Bradford

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<v Speaker 1>Bulls eleventh on ten to lose in twelfth on eight

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<v Speaker 1>York Nights thirteenth on six Huddersfield Giants rock bottom on four.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing that sticks out for me, John, is how condensed

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<v Speaker 1>things are in the top six. So a'll just play

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<v Speaker 1>four their secondly, look at our promoted clubs propping up

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<v Speaker 1>the table with the exception of Huddersfield Giants who are

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<v Speaker 1>propping them all up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's you could say, at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the league. It's kind of a full way about

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<v Speaker 2>at the moment leads at top. You know, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>the whole car being in great form. The last what five, six,

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<v Speaker 2>seven weeks. Leeds are being pretty consistent all season. Warrington

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<v Speaker 2>had been fairly consistent all season, Wakefield picking up some

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<v Speaker 2>momentum and Lee picking up somementums and Helen's have one today,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think they'd lost something like forward their last

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<v Speaker 2>five before that, so I don't think we'll see a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of change. I wouldn't surprise me to see Lee

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<v Speaker 2>move Saint Helen's out of that top six, but there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be some interesting tis to come. Obviously, Magic Weekend in

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks as well at Everton, so yeah, looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you've told me when Magic Weekend is because

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<v Speaker 1>I just had a panic. I had a panic when

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<v Speaker 1>I get to the fixture section. I had a panic

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<v Speaker 1>that was going to read out all these pictures and

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<v Speaker 1>then go it's Magic Weekend this weekend. So I had

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<v Speaker 1>a look at googled Magic Weekend super League and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I might be wrong. I've only scanned it quite significantly.

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<v Speaker 1>The link to the Betfred League Magic Weekend stuff doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>tell you when the date is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not ideal.

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<v Speaker 1>Right at the bottom, it says on Sunday, the fifth

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<v Speaker 1>of July. Jax Jones who has over nine million global streams. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't tell you that magic weekend is that weekend though,

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<v Speaker 1>so anybody with autism, for example, would genuinely think, well,

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<v Speaker 1>all that's happening that weekend iss a fellow called Jax

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<v Speaker 1>Jones in at the Hill Dickinson Stadium. So yeah, not ideal.

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<v Speaker 1>We will go through the details of the games later.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the topics you've brought up, Johnny, Saint

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<v Speaker 1>Helen's struggles now, as you know for ever on the

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<v Speaker 1>various podcasts we've done, I've said Paul Rowley struggles to

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<v Speaker 1>coach defense, but it seems as a bit more going

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<v Speaker 2>Talk us through it, Yeah, I mean, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>second half against Warrington last week was a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>an eye open. I mean, obviously today they've beaten the

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<v Speaker 1>What happened last week, john Because we didn't do a podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Against Warrington had a bit of a second and half

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<v Speaker 2>collapse and Warrington came over the top of them. I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, watching them a lot, they do seem to

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<v Speaker 2>rogerin game two. They do seem to struggle to create

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities in attack. They seem quite one dimensional. Now they've

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<v Speaker 2>kind of struggled in getting Jack Wellsby back to top

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<v Speaker 2>form and finding a spot for Tristan Saylor in their lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>They have had a lot of injuries this year, but

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't really seem particularly that fluid. Now Carl

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<v Speaker 2>Phelp's gone as well, returning back to OZ so just

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside looking in, the club just doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to be very united in what's going on. The fans

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<v Speaker 2>are quite unhappy and restless. Yeah, it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>a mess. I mean, as Paul Sculthorpe tweeted, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of probably Sinahan's greatest ever players. You know, things

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<v Speaker 2>don't seem to be right at the club of a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a huming that's who he's talking about. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't really make it clear, does he. And he's

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<v Speaker 2>tweeting so.

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<v Speaker 1>At Castleford there's some changes going on there. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to enlighten us?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was quite a bit of roster change. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the latest news last week or this week he's been

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<v Speaker 2>Jason Gary Gary. Now they announced that he had re

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<v Speaker 2>signed with with Cass. He's been in really really good form,

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<v Speaker 2>scoring tries for fun in the last month or two. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>My understanding, having spoken to people at York and Castleford

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<v Speaker 2>in the last couple of weeks, is that he'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>signed for York to join York next year, but had

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<v Speaker 2>a change of heart and wanted to stay Cass, and

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<v Speaker 2>there is talk that Cass may have actually paid a

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<v Speaker 2>transfer fee to York to to keep him for next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Now no one Cass would comment on this. York didn't

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<v Speaker 2>respond by calls that, but that is the specially of

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<v Speaker 2>speculation is the out there and he is. My understanding

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<v Speaker 2>that he had signed with with York, so a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a weird one because obviously he's a cast local junior,

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<v Speaker 2>not particularly old, but he has he's having a great season.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a wider movement at castle players. Tom

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<v Speaker 2>Weavers going to be going at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe Joe Westerman also won't be resigned. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>few others there. Alex Maller I believe as well. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously we've talked in other podcasts about the signings that

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<v Speaker 2>Cass are making. Damian Cook. There's a lot of talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Tyrell Sloan from the Dragons also coming to cass. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>the cast coach, Ryan Carr, was an assistant coach at

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<v Speaker 2>Sinjohnora last year. They've already signed Tyler Tyler Duprie. They've

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<v Speaker 2>already signed Robbie Moulhearn from Leafing. Next year, they've signed

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<v Speaker 2>Pot from Catlin. So a huge bit of change of

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<v Speaker 2>Cast and I have turned the corner a bit in

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<v Speaker 2>recent weeks. So I think if you're a Caste fan,

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<v Speaker 2>they obviously had a good win over to lose this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're a cast fine, you're looking a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more positive than things were, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>month or two ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I think again, if you listen to us historically, there

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<v Speaker 1>were some of the defeats where you and I both said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>not bad from Casts, and they're better than that. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a period where they were a bit bipolar.

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<v Speaker 1>One week they'd be really good, the week after they'd

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<v Speaker 1>be they'd be not so great. And then I assume

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<v Speaker 1>as things have settled out and panned out and settled down,

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<v Speaker 1>they're now starting to come good and things are getting

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<v Speaker 1>a bit more solidified and Obviously Ryan Carr has got

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<v Speaker 1>his feet well and true under the table. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we've brushed past it. It's something that you and

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<v Speaker 1>I have been quite heavy on since inception, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>not being wise after the fact. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>get to York getting absolutely battered soon. I mentioned it

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<v Speaker 1>in the opening exchanges of this pod, and those three

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<v Speaker 1>promoted sides are only being propped up by Huddersfield at

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<v Speaker 1>the moment. What's the genuine feeling about the quality of

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<v Speaker 1>Super League at the moment? And the quality of Super

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<v Speaker 1>League can be two things. It can be the quality

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<v Speaker 1>of the play on the field, i e. The standard,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other thing it can be is the entertainment value.

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<v Speaker 1>When I do scroll on social media or my rugby

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<v Speaker 1>league coach Twitter, it tends to be overly negative from fans,

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<v Speaker 1>and I do know that British rugby league fans can

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<v Speaker 1>be overly negative sometimes. What's the general feel that you're

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<v Speaker 1>finding in terms of the quality of the competition with

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we've added two new sides and technically

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<v Speaker 1>three new sides because Salford dropped out and there was

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<v Speaker 1>an extra third team. Quinn, where are we at? John? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's difficult to answer a part because obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I can give my opinion, my take and look, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I wrote I see someone retweeted it today. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote back in I think it was June last

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<v Speaker 2>year about you know, they were going to bring in

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<v Speaker 2>new teams and this is likely to be disaster because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have the playerpool, you know, and obviously to

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<v Speaker 2>lose to New York weren't given the full distribution, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can't recruit to the same extent anyway until this

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<v Speaker 2>also have to pay close to a million quid in

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<v Speaker 2>travel costs. So personally, I think there's been some high

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<v Speaker 2>points in some games, you know, the World Club Challenge

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<v Speaker 2>for example. You know, I think there's been positives, the

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<v Speaker 2>return of Bradford. Overall, I think has been good. But

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<v Speaker 2>the flip side is, you know, we don't have in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK, we don't have enough players for fourteen teams.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we had enough good players for twelve teams,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that was evident last year with what

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<v Speaker 2>happened on the field. Now by increasing the quota, what

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<v Speaker 2>we're getting now instead of we're getting top tier NRL

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<v Speaker 2>players who are either unable to get regular games in

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<v Speaker 2>the NRL, or who wanted to change, or who were

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<v Speaker 2>maybe in the last year or two of their careers.

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<v Speaker 2>We're now getting people who have never been any near

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<v Speaker 2>an NRL club or you know, no chance of really

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<v Speaker 2>just regular reserve graders. Now some of those you get

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<v Speaker 2>and they turn out to be diamonds and the rough

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<v Speaker 2>and some developed late and other ones are just clearly

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<v Speaker 2>not good enough. And I think you know that shows

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a purist, that shows on the field in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of entertainment fact that we have had some entertaining games.

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<v Speaker 2>But I really found this was interesting. What was a

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<v Speaker 2>two three? He probably two weeks ago Steve Masko did

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<v Speaker 2>an interview a story with Michael Chamis, who was over

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<v Speaker 2>just before the Challenge Cup final in the UK, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>scouting for the P and G Chiefs that he works

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<v Speaker 2>for and holding meetings with the Worthy Peters. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was the round where Wigan obviously rested their whole team

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<v Speaker 2>and what a whole health care I beat them by

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<v Speaker 2>what was the sixty odd whatever it was, And he

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<v Speaker 2>made some comments just saying, look, you know, an NRL deal,

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<v Speaker 2>an NRL investment in Super League would be great because

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<v Speaker 2>it would lift the whole competition standard, it would help

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<v Speaker 2>you know, clubs, and you know that it would make

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<v Speaker 2>the competition more competitive each game. Now, the reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>that story on Facebook on Twitter was basically, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>super League's more competitive in the NRL.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what is this as you know, he's

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<v Speaker 1>an idiot, that's what your mind. That's why you can

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<v Speaker 1>predict to the top six are going to be five

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<v Speaker 1>minutes into the competition. That yeah, in t that is yeah, only.

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<v Speaker 2>Five teams have one Super League in what years haven't they? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Now it was quite predictable. The interesting thing for me,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't listened to the full podcast yet because

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<v Speaker 2>I've been a bit busy, but Brian McDermott's interview with

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<v Speaker 2>James Graham on the by Round and effectively Brian McDermott

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<v Speaker 2>said the same thing. Now we didn't say the same words,

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<v Speaker 2>but the NRL is much more competitive week in, week

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<v Speaker 2>out and Super League there are more athletes, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Andy said other things. But there's no outcry

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<v Speaker 2>about Brian McDermott saying it because he's English. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it criticizes, well not even criticize the English game just

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<v Speaker 2>has an honest, truthful opinion. People whose time. But there

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<v Speaker 2>is a very defensive mentality. I mean I've seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I've said things, people get their back up because

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<v Speaker 2>you can't have a foreigner criticize an English product.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's the whole thing to mean. As your friend,

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<v Speaker 1>I can get it.

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<v Speaker 2>You get at the reverse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, Well as my friend I can. As

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, I can slag you off. But if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else slags you off, I jumped to your I jump

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<v Speaker 1>to your your defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, John Whyle, you get it on your social when

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<v Speaker 2>you talk about the NRL to who's this English?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah. I've just done some very very very

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<v Speaker 1>quick assessments of score lines, right and very base. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I've done a quick scan of which games have

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<v Speaker 1>been tight and which ones haven't. Right so far in June,

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<v Speaker 1>and bear in mind we're recording in at the start

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<v Speaker 1>of the fourth week. I think there's about twelve of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fixtures so far that have been one sided. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's my knowledge of what a rugby league score line is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So twenty two four is one sided, right,

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<v Speaker 1>There's been one significant winner, for example, but there's bigger

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<v Speaker 1>scores than that. In May, there was nine in the

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<v Speaker 1>whole month. So what we're getting now is some some

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<v Speaker 1>difficulty dealing with this, with this fixture congestion, if you like,

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<v Speaker 1>or the regularity of fixtures in April. Just scanning because

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<v Speaker 1>looks like April was the worst month. So what that

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<v Speaker 1>suggests to me is back in April, some teams are

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<v Speaker 1>they've sort of adjusted things in training to get their

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit again in May, and then it's starting

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<v Speaker 1>to collapse again in June. So and I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this from a from a coaching perspective, from a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if I was the coach of a team trying to

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<v Speaker 1>I manage them? How would I how would I how

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<v Speaker 1>would I look at them in terms of in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of load management with all these games that they've got going.

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<v Speaker 1>So obviously these teams are really struggling with this, and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the worse you are as a player, and that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds really horrible. The way have said it, but the

418
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<v Speaker 1>less talented you are as a player, it's probably a

419
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<v Speaker 1>result in part to the way you are professional or

420
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<v Speaker 1>not professional. So the way you approach your professionalism is

421
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<v Speaker 1>not going to lend itself to playing games week in

422
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<v Speaker 1>week out against superior opposition. And then secondly, the quality

423
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of the player that we've got there is also making

424
00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the games harder too, because you're playing against teams that

425
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.359
<v Speaker 1>are flogging you basically. So look, I think there's so

426
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:42.519
<v Speaker 1>many problems, and I think York's result this weekend, which

427
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<v Speaker 1>we will go into, bear in mind, this is a

428
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<v Speaker 1>team that in round one beat last year's premiers. Bear

429
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<v Speaker 1>in mind we've had nothing but praise for York and

430
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.839
<v Speaker 1>the way they've attacked things. For them to get beat

431
00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:03.039
<v Speaker 1>by that score line, nobody can tell me Super League

432
00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>is more competitive than the NRL.

433
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<v Speaker 2>Now.

434
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<v Speaker 1>I know West Tiger's got pumped the other week, but

435
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>there's been some very very very very very big score

436
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:13.759
<v Speaker 1>lines in Super League this year.

437
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<v Speaker 2>In particular, I think I think there's score lines is

438
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<v Speaker 2>one way to look at the level of competition. You

439
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:22.480
<v Speaker 2>can look at numerous ways. I think when you watch games,

440
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you can see how competitive teams are and whether they

441
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<v Speaker 2>have good periods or where they drop off. You can

442
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<v Speaker 2>look at the amount of Grand Final winners over you know,

443
00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>you look and look at you know this year, I

444
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.519
<v Speaker 2>mean the Broncos, the reigning Primaries, and they've been pretty terrible.

445
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:41.319
<v Speaker 2>The Bulldogs are one of the top teams. Last year,

446
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 2>they've been pretty terrible. You gen't really don't see I mean,

447
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:48.720
<v Speaker 2>not for a long long time anyway, you know, Wigan

448
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.759
<v Speaker 2>and Saint Helen's you know, in last or second last

449
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>or you know, it doesn't really happen a turnaround doesn't

450
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>really happen like that in in Super League because there

451
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Speaker 2>is a golf in so many different ways, not just

452
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:09.319
<v Speaker 2>playerpool and finances and fan bases but everything. So I

453
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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, I think part of the problem with experiension

454
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:16.519
<v Speaker 2>experience the competition of fortun teams. There wasn't an analysis done.

455
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.519
<v Speaker 2>It was a rush decision. There wasn't a lot of planning.

456
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, we may end up with fifteen, but you know,

457
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>it just isn't There isn't a real detailed case to say,

458
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.559
<v Speaker 2>why should we do this, This will achieve X y z,

459
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 2>we have this amount of money to do it. It's

460
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>not been explained to me because obviously York and to

461
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Loose took half the Central distribution this year, but I

462
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:45.680
<v Speaker 2>was told by reliable sources that they'll get the full

463
00:26:46.000 --> 00:26:48.440
<v Speaker 2>distribution obviously if they're in Super League next year. But

464
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>where's that extra money going to come from. It may

465
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.519
<v Speaker 2>come from a better TV deal, but we don't know

466
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>if we're getting a better TV deal, do we. That's

467
00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 2>been very quiet, So there's just so many unknowns at

468
00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 2>the moment, and generally the peers that they don't like

469
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:09.839
<v Speaker 2>people asking questions or they don't like, you know, criticism.

470
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.440
<v Speaker 2>That's valid.

471
00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>The conversation that we're having as well, so the whole

472
00:27:19.359 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 1>we have this many teams in the competition. It actually

473
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 1>goes against the concept of elite player development because you're

474
00:27:29.319 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 1>singing the talent pool. So that goes hand in hand

475
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.079
<v Speaker 1>with the World Cup squad that's just been announced by

476
00:27:36.400 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Brian McDermott, who works at Gold Coast Titans in Australia,

477
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.400
<v Speaker 1>is announced a thirty eight man squad.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I think.

479
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>There were no shocks in that. Nobody was admitted, I

480
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.160
<v Speaker 1>don't think, but people were added. The first question before

481
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>we talk about who was in that thirty eight man

482
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>squad and there's that many names in there. I'm surprised.

483
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm not in there. What what's that squad for?

484
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:01.400
<v Speaker 2>What?

485
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Why have they name that?

486
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a really good question. I think sometimes

487
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 2>they named them just to create a bit of news and.

488
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>A bit of talk, which I don't know, maybe that

489
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 1>they don't say I've got an Irish granddad and would

490
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:17.839
<v Speaker 1>have played for them instead.

491
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the interesting obviously it'll be I

492
00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 2>think probably either a twenty four or twenty seven man

493
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 2>squad for the actual Cup. But probably the interesting bit

494
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>is the amount of Australian born or heritage players that

495
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>by mcdernald has named. Obviously, Sean Wayne was dead set

496
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:42.880
<v Speaker 2>against that when he started, and then he kind of

497
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>backtracked a little bit and had Victor Radley.

498
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:47.200
<v Speaker 1>In there.

499
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But there's quite a large number when you consider Jaden Brawley,

500
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Billy Smith Well Aj Brimson was the other one that

501
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>came in lastly under Shaw Wayne, but then Caleb hamlin

502
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Ulli from Wakefield, Maxiking from Canterbury and Maxkan's obviously played

503
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>for New South Wales in origin as well, and Ben

504
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Tolty from the Bristo Broncos, So I think that's got

505
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.400
<v Speaker 2>a few people's back up, even though other countries do it,

506
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.440
<v Speaker 2>even though England does it in cricket and rugby union,

507
00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's the way of the modern world.

508
00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:24.079
<v Speaker 1>But it has it has pissed off a few people,

509
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 1>you could say, so again, the national squad is one thing.

510
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Another thing is the direction of the game from a

511
00:29:32.640 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>commercial point of view and a marketing point of view.

512
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.799
<v Speaker 1>And the RFL seem to have made a big decision

513
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>and we only know this because of things that have

514
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 1>been linked to certain journalists and certain people we know

515
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>who's missed out on the RFL CEO role. Do we

516
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:52.519
<v Speaker 1>know any more though.

517
00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Not as yet. It seems to be a favorite of

518
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>talk that that ha decided on who the new RFL

519
00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>CEO will be. It's it's someone with some football connections,

520
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:13.039
<v Speaker 2>potentially to Manchester United who yeah, as a man City found.

521
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Out or they've been Manchester United have been a model

522
00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 1>of success for the last fifteen years, haven't they?

523
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 2>I think? I think the interesting point is that that

524
00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Tony Mester, of the former Manly CEO, who is quite

525
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>played for Wigan in London and I believe is quite

526
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:33.480
<v Speaker 2>close to people at Wigan did not get the job.

527
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Now you could imagine that that Wigan would have liked

528
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.279
<v Speaker 2>to favor you know, we're going to have been opposed

529
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>to the niger Wood regime. That's no revelation. So that's interesting.

530
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 2>And it's also interesting, I think because if we are

531
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:51.319
<v Speaker 2>going to have a NRL deal with Super League and

532
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 2>investment and partnership, it's logical to think that with an

533
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Australian running the RFL and someone who has close connections

534
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:02.279
<v Speaker 2>with people in the NRL, that Tony Mestrov would have

535
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 2>been a helpful kind of conduit. So that's not happening.

536
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It also seems to me a Graham Taylor, who was

537
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>another candidate for the job, an agent, he was pushed

538
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 2>by League Express as a good option. So it seems

539
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 2>to me, and I've heard this from a from a source,

540
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that niger Wood would have liked him as the RFL CEO.

541
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 2>So he's not gone his way. So maybe this is

542
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:30.359
<v Speaker 2>a whoever gets the job, the unknown person is a

543
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 2>is a measure between the two. Perhaps maybe a kind

544
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>of a fallback. I don't know. Yeah, it's it's all

545
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:46.599
<v Speaker 2>very all, very interesting, but yeah, hopefully we'll know more

546
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 2>in the near, very near future, and there'll be an announcement.

547
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 1>I've also heard from a very reputable source that the

548
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>person who may have got the job was a late entrance,

549
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 1>so there was a deadline and then the ignored the deadline.

550
00:31:59.160 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 1>What do you think of that?

551
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:03.799
<v Speaker 2>That would not surprise me? With the RFL, I mean,

552
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>there are things that have gone on the RFL the

553
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 2>last couple of years, a lot that I've written about,

554
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot that I can't write about because of you know,

555
00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 2>defamation and other things you have to be very careful about.

556
00:32:17.400 --> 00:32:20.039
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, nothing would surprise me. I think it's a

557
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:29.079
<v Speaker 2>terribly run organization. Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. Lee. Look,

558
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I think you know the We've seen that the clubs

559
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 2>still hold the key power in the game anyway, and

560
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>it seems like Niger Woods still has the support of

561
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>the majority of clubs. So whoever has that job will

562
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 2>obviously it's a question of how independent or how much

563
00:32:46.799 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 2>control they'll actually have.

564
00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 1>In terms of defamation and not writing things. Your job

565
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this week, Johnny's job is people who ask journalists who

566
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:56.839
<v Speaker 1>their sources are.

567
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've had this, I've had this a few times.

568
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:04.480
<v Speaker 2>The last couple of days, I wrote an exclusive about

569
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>who would be taking over Oldham a couple of days

570
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>before that was confirmed on Saturday, and I think it

571
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.759
<v Speaker 2>was on Twitter. I had someone no picture in their profile,

572
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of made up name, no follower, like where did

573
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 2>you hear this from? And blah blah blah blah blah.

574
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:26.279
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like, am I supposed to say my

575
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>sources are? Like the point of actually being a journalist is,

576
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, using well, getting people's confidences and not revealing

577
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>you know who who who they are. That's the golden

578
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:43.839
<v Speaker 2>rule of journalism. Now people seem to suspect or know

579
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>who your particular sources are. I wrote the story today

580
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>about Nathan Kless, who looks very likely, Yeah, it looks

581
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 2>very likely to be the next Whole Yard coach. And

582
00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 2>I saw some whole k R fan on Facebook coming

583
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I saw all the days ago. You know, where did

584
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you It's kind of like, well, I'm sorry, I don't

585
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 2>scroll Facebook or social media for stories. I actually do

586
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>have sources in the game, coaches, players, officials, referees, other journalists, CEOs,

587
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 2>directors of rugby agents. You know, they come from all

588
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.159
<v Speaker 2>different places, and you know it's kind of laughable. I

589
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:31.480
<v Speaker 2>guess what people think journalists do, or how people think

590
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.679
<v Speaker 2>they get their information, and what the process is to

591
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 2>stand up the information. I know journalists in the modern

592
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.400
<v Speaker 2>world have a terrible reputation. I do understand that, but

593
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.639
<v Speaker 2>I think you can only really judge individuals by their

594
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>own reputation, and I think as a journal STOP developed

595
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 2>a reputation over many, many years which is fairly decent

596
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:57.239
<v Speaker 2>or at least okay. But I also understand that if

597
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>you write things that people don't like, then they're going

598
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>to slag you off. So that's just part of the

599
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:03.320
<v Speaker 2>modern world. I guess.

600
00:35:03.719 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Now, in terms of full KR's potential choice of coaching

601
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.679
<v Speaker 1>Nathan Kalis, I've just done some quick googling and the

602
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 1>only thing I can find about his coaching career is

603
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 1>that the coach went with Ville in twenty sixteen ish

604
00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and didn't get to the finals both times. So is

605
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 1>there anything else? I mean, what's he done for the

606
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>last decade?

607
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>So he retired in twenty ten. I believe he worked

608
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 2>in pathways at Para. He did coach Wentworthville. I think

609
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.199
<v Speaker 2>he coached the Warriors reserve grade side for a couple

610
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>of years. He served as an assistant coach to the

611
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>NR old team at the Roosters and at the West Tigers,

612
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>and then I think for the last three or so

613
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:43.440
<v Speaker 2>years he's been the new so Worl's Cup coach of Paramatta. Now,

614
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.800
<v Speaker 2>when I found out about this today and checked it

615
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:50.440
<v Speaker 2>with a few people, the club haven't got back to me,

616
00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>but a few pretty reliable sources. It was quite surprising

617
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 2>because he's not a name and just say he was

618
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 2>a great player for Paramatta around for New Zealand for

619
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:02.880
<v Speaker 2>me years. He's not a name that's ever been thrown

620
00:36:03.000 --> 00:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>up as and you would know this Lee Like there's

621
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 2>all there's already assistant coaches in NRL who are seen

622
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:10.440
<v Speaker 2>as the next NRL held coach.

623
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:11.559
<v Speaker 1>You know, Blake one.

624
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Deanie Young's obviously interim coacher, but he's been one for

625
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:18.840
<v Speaker 2>a while. Josh Hannay was for a while, Craigs fitz

626
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<v Speaker 2>Gibbon was before he went to Cornala, Christian Wolf was

627
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.760
<v Speaker 2>before he went to Saint Helens and the Dolphins, Justin

628
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>Holbrook was. There's always you know, one of those is

629
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<v Speaker 2>Matt King at the moment now I think Matt King

630
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<v Speaker 2>is the other Roosters. I think he's an assistant coach. Obviously,

631
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.199
<v Speaker 2>he's a consistant coach in you so well's now as

632
00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>my understanding that he was in the running for the

633
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<v Speaker 2>whole KR job as well, or it was the least approached.

634
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:47.280
<v Speaker 2>But Nathan Chayles has never been mentioned in those circles,

635
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.519
<v Speaker 2>in those media reports in Australia for years now. You

636
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 2>can take that one of two ways. You could say, oh, well,

637
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's not that good a coach, or maybe he's

638
00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>just not got people beaging.

639
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>It's all path of least resistance in a lot of

640
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<v Speaker 1>cases in my experience, who's got.

641
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly exactly that that definitely does play a role.

642
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't disagree there at all. So he's forty eight,

643
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 2>he's had probably a decade a little more than a

644
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:17.760
<v Speaker 2>decade of coaching experience. I don't know if he'll be

645
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:18.679
<v Speaker 2>a good fit or not.

646
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess how long did you say he has been

647
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 1>the Eels and South Wales Cup coach for I.

648
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Think about three years, three and a half years.

649
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, Well, in twenty four they finished eleventh, in

650
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty five to finish third, and right now their twelfth

651
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, there you go.

652
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.519
<v Speaker 2>I think just lasting on that, and I think it

653
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<v Speaker 2>was you who mentioned this before the news came out

654
00:37:44.400 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in Australia about Ben Gardner. That was someone they reached

655
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 2>out to. And he's obviously I was assistant coach at

656
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:54.559
<v Speaker 2>at Penrith and some you know has been some Oldkay

657
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 2>coach well that they approached him and he decided to

658
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>knock him back because he's obviously going to be the

659
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:01.400
<v Speaker 2>assistant at per and I think he sees that as

660
00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:05.519
<v Speaker 2>a head coaching role in two or three years after MANINGA.

661
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they've they've obviously looked around and and you know,

662
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>down their due diligence. But whether he is the first

663
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.639
<v Speaker 2>choice or not, I don't know.

664
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<v Speaker 1>He's not first choice, He's not tenth choices the choice

665
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>John is how I heard it once. Steve McLaren said

666
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 1>that when he was about eighteenth choice of England manager

667
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>in I worked out well ninety seven ninety eight or

668
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. No, no, it would have been a

669
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.199
<v Speaker 1>bit later that two thousand and seven.

670
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 2>But just on that, I mean Gareth Southgate, he was

671
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 2>highlight of his management career before England was getting relegated

672
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:46.280
<v Speaker 2>with but he did pretty he did the best in

673
00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:48.199
<v Speaker 2>England since Alph Ramsey in sixty six.

674
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<v Speaker 1>I'd love, I'd love, I'd love to have a coaching

675
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 1>conversation now when it comes to why we select coaches.

676
00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.599
<v Speaker 1>So I mean, we're going to talk about origin later,

677
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>so let's not try and not get into the mine.

678
00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:03.960
<v Speaker 1>But origin has been very interesting in the last decade

679
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and that it's been TV personalities that have been the coaches.

680
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:13.039
<v Speaker 1>So Billy Slater had never coached in his life before

681
00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:18.639
<v Speaker 1>before he became Queensland coach. Brad Fhitler ended up failing

682
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>eventually at the Roosters over well over a decade ago,

683
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.679
<v Speaker 1>so they gave him the job. Brad Phitler was a

684
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 1>bit similar to Garret Southgate in the sense that he

685
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.000
<v Speaker 1>came through the New South Wales system, so Garrett Southgate

686
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 1>came through the England youth system as a coach, so

687
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Brad Fhitler probably given him not enough credit there. And

688
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:40.239
<v Speaker 1>then their current choice Lori Daly. All I've seen him

689
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>do is some betting stuff at the end of shows

690
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:50.639
<v Speaker 1>and radio radio. Yeah, so you know, and and then

691
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 1>and they choose him and have probably chosen him because

692
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 1>he played five eight for them for.

693
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Most LA was one of the players that's coming in

694
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.400
<v Speaker 2>you so well as an Australia in the last thirty

695
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 2>odd years. He was a phenomenal player. But I think

696
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 2>it's proven. I think doesn't he have now the most

697
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 2>losses as an Origin coach ever, and you look at

698
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:16.719
<v Speaker 2>at least the first two games this year, not talking

699
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>about the years before, but it's pretty much been a disaster.

700
00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the choice of Gareth Southgate and then Thomas

701
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Toucle since then in the soccer realm. In the football realm,

702
00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I have to say soccer because just because we often

703
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about football as rugbyy, they've played some good football.

704
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I study all this stuff all the time. I've been

705
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.599
<v Speaker 1>reading lots about this. So if we go back and

706
00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned alf Ramsey, Okay, alf Ramsey took elocution lessons.

707
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Alf Ramsey was a working class kid from somewhere down

708
00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 1>south and took elocution lessons to sound like he was

709
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 1>an army captain and dressed in a track suit and

710
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.559
<v Speaker 1>made the track suit look formal. Right, That's how alf

711
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Ramsey and was very emotionless. And then after alf Ramsey

712
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 1>they went with Don Reve. Now, Don Revey was more

713
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>of a somebody who would say the right things to

714
00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the board and could manage upwards and downwards. I suppose

715
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>because Don Revey took leads and then was taken over

716
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:30.480
<v Speaker 1>Leeds were taken over by Brian Clough, who was enigmatic

717
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 1>quite maverick, certainly one of my big coaching influences, but

718
00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>would also tell boards where to stick their football advice.

719
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 1>And the FA didn't go with him. And then when

720
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Revey left them to go to Saudi Arabia, the clamoring

721
00:41:48.960 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 1>publicly was for Brian Clough again, and then they went

722
00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:58.760
<v Speaker 1>for Greenwood, who was the coaching director style person. Right now,

723
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 1>let me tell you about coaching directors in English football

724
00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:08.079
<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, a guy called Charles Hughes studied one

725
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred teams and one hundred games and deciphered that most

726
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>goals were scored with three touches three kicks of the ball.

727
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:22.360
<v Speaker 1>So therefore put in place, using those statistics a system

728
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 1>that men all English teams did long ball, knock it

729
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:30.400
<v Speaker 1>down with a header, somebody score off the second ball,

730
00:42:31.480 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and that happened for thirty years. That's how they interpreted

731
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 1>those statistics. So when you get certain people of a

732
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.280
<v Speaker 1>certain way of looking at things. If you look at

733
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>things statistically or scientifically, that's the danger of what can

734
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.159
<v Speaker 1>happen anyway, So we go through the England manager list

735
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and then and it's a really good study because it

736
00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 1>applies to any sport. So they've gone from Greenwood to

737
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Bobby Robson, who'd won some trophies, very good coach. They

738
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 1>went from Robson who did well in the end, to

739
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Graham Taylor, not the one who went for the RFL job.

740
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>The Graham Taylor, who do I not like that? Again

741
00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:14.320
<v Speaker 1>a successful coach in lower grades, but it can't work out.

742
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:20.639
<v Speaker 1>And then they went with Kevin Keegan from memory.

743
00:43:21.159 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 2>No, I think it was l Tel, wasn't.

744
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>It yeh, Terrybles.

745
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they failed to qualify for ninety four. They went

746
00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to all Tell.

747
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.679
<v Speaker 1>They did try ll Tell Tell Terry Vennables, who again

748
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't get on with the with the directors of the

749
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:35.559
<v Speaker 1>f A.

750
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>The Blazer.

751
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.400
<v Speaker 1>He was only got they got rid of him for winning.

752
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And then it was Glenn Hoddle. GEEZU jumped a feudent

753
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 1>or with Kevin Keegan. Glenn Hoddle's been a lot, Yeah,

754
00:43:49.480 --> 00:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Glenn Hoddle was the ex player I'd say Glenn Hoddle

755
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>was a Brad Fittler. Yeah, and then it went to

756
00:43:55.039 --> 00:44:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Keegan. He was the Lorrie Daily, disastrous us. And

757
00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 1>then they went to a foreign manager, Spenn who who

758
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:09.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't talk in the same way. You know, football wasn't

759
00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 1>all about passion, it was it was a bit of

760
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 1>an intellectual challenge.

761
00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 2>He kept his passion off the field. Yeah.

762
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 1>And then we went back to an English manager, Steve McLaren,

763
00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the wally with a browlly because he was, and then Fabio,

764
00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:28.079
<v Speaker 1>and then Fabio to Roy Hodgson, who was that would

765
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:32.159
<v Speaker 1>be like employee. Yeah, that was like employing Des Hasler.

766
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Roy Hodgson would be like employing Des Hasler Roy Hodgson.

767
00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.360
<v Speaker 1>And then they were like oh Sam allaedyes for a week.

768
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>If you remember the part, the part of wine, they're

769
00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>good pints of wine. And then and then we've ended

770
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 1>up with Garret Southgate because they got so low they

771
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>ended up with somebody like Gara Southgate. Now that's a

772
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.639
<v Speaker 1>very long way of describing where we're at now. So

773
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 1>England have gone from Garret Southgate, who saw his role

774
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 1>as I think part of the English narrative beyond football

775
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.320
<v Speaker 1>I e. His twenty twenty letter deer England telling them

776
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 1>not to be racist and things like that. Right, I

777
00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>don't think Thomas Tuckle, who's a German by the way,

778
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:24.239
<v Speaker 1>gives a flying flamingo about any of those things. Like

779
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the English players you know under Southgate took the knee,

780
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.400
<v Speaker 1>they had rainbows on the back of the shirts and

781
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.000
<v Speaker 1>all this got involved in some political things if you like.

782
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Thomas Tuckle doesn't give a flying flamingo about any of that,

783
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and he seems to be embracing things and there's a

784
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:44.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a key lesson in this. Sarath Sarath guth Gate,

785
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Gareth Southgate in the assessment of him, is that he

786
00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was very good at getting everything where we needed it

787
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.679
<v Speaker 1>to be, but when the whips were cracking, he wouldn't

788
00:45:55.679 --> 00:45:58.079
<v Speaker 1>take risks. So when they went one, they look after

789
00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>eight minutes, went into their shell and protected it. That

790
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 1>sounds like an overly structured team to me, which is

791
00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 1>what you could accuse New South Wales a being because

792
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.480
<v Speaker 1>they've leaned on Cleary. I think a bit too much.

793
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Thomas took call at halftime against Croatia and obviously we've

794
00:46:17.880 --> 00:46:21.679
<v Speaker 1>won one game, so it's coming home now. But halftime

795
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 1>against Croatia at to All apparently said he said to

796
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:26.639
<v Speaker 1>the players at half time, if you're going to lose,

797
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 1>let's do it our way. Have a crack, and he

798
00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.639
<v Speaker 1>just allowed them to express themselves. If you look at

799
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 1>origin right now, Queensland are expressing themselves. New South Wales

800
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>are in a strait jacket and we could go through

801
00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 1>any rugby league team, we could go through any rugbilly team.

802
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I think Saint Helen's seemed to have gone too far

803
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.440
<v Speaker 1>down there. We'll just throw some structures out of the

804
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying they've got no structure, but they seem

805
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to be too far down the creative road.

806
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.639
<v Speaker 2>You look at the Wiggan game against York, I mean

807
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.079
<v Speaker 2>quite a few of them eyes would just come from

808
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 2>even at times they're pushing passes and forcing passes, throwing

809
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>off loads that usually you be like, well that's not on,

810
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.000
<v Speaker 2>but they're coming off and they're just playing off the cuff,

811
00:47:10.079 --> 00:47:14.199
<v Speaker 2>like Joe Field was just destroying people, just running. You know.

812
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.920
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like backyard footy and Bevan French

813
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>just kicking over the top, you know, chipping in behind, regathering.

814
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>It was just they're playing with so much freedom and

815
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm and energy it is very hard to defend against.

816
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:32.079
<v Speaker 2>And that Queensland, particularly with Sam Walker with how months

817
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:33.960
<v Speaker 2>to plays and Harry Grant as, Oh they have got

818
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.480
<v Speaker 2>that natural eyes up foot, you haven't they? And New

819
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:43.480
<v Speaker 2>South Wales well, I think taking out etheris strange putting

820
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 2>in Moses who obviously wasn't fit. But you know clear

821
00:47:46.159 --> 00:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>he's not that kind of player, is he. Rhys Robson's

822
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:53.000
<v Speaker 2>not that kind of player. And yeah, second half of

823
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Game two was pretty bloody dismal.

824
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 1>Even Wigan though, right We'll go back to Wigan. Their

825
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 1>coach evolved from under Sean Wayne, who has been accused

826
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of being ovally structured when it came to play in

827
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>Australia last year. At the start of this year Wigan

828
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.679
<v Speaker 1>were very very very very structured, very patient, and I

829
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 1>think part of their unleashing their re emergence has been

830
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 1>they've let some shackles off. They're true, true, only only

831
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Huddersfield can unleash. Anyway, we talked about coaches. If any

832
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 1>of them haven't got a job, maybe they can eventually

833
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>take over at Oldham when Alan Kilshaw gets the shits

834
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.639
<v Speaker 1>with what's going on off the field, and maybe Mestrof

835
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 1>could be the CEO because something's going on at old

836
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.199
<v Speaker 1>and what's going on at Oldham. Johnny Boy finally got.

837
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.400
<v Speaker 2>New owners, that new take over. It's been well, we've

838
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 2>covered the early the Bill Quinn.

839
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 1>With Bill Quinn not there anymore. No, well, he stepped down.

840
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean he did the numerous Facebook videos where he

841
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>referred to himself as the third person.

842
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And said Bill Quinn resigned, He's not going anywhere, and

843
00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>that's not what Bill Quinn does exactly.

844
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:14.159
<v Speaker 2>I hope they're all online because there are works of art.

845
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.280
<v Speaker 2>In a way. Then obviously in April, Bill Quinn stepped

846
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:22.679
<v Speaker 2>down citing your health. Now I hope he isn't ill.

847
00:49:23.480 --> 00:49:27.800
<v Speaker 2>That has been suggested that that maybe that's not completely correct,

848
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.400
<v Speaker 2>that he isn't sick, that he is sick. But look,

849
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.360
<v Speaker 2>I hope he's perfectly fine. But anyway, the club was

850
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 2>in a bit of a holding pattern and there were

851
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:42.719
<v Speaker 2>three different groups trying to take over, one involving Terry Fannigan,

852
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 2>one involving by Ford and one Terrybles No no, no,

853
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>hotel's not non involved. Yes, and you've got I can't

854
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:56.079
<v Speaker 2>remember the.

855
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:58.159
<v Speaker 1>Christ Terry Christian.

856
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember the one played there you put me

857
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>off my stride? But anyway, what's his name?

858
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 1>The hooker Hall?

859
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>No? No, so he's part of the new group second over.

860
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:14.360
<v Speaker 2>But there was a Jordan Jesus proposing Helens for.

861
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:16.719
<v Speaker 1>A long time Henderson.

862
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:22.679
<v Speaker 2>No, he was at camera, very very brief. Anyway, there

863
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:24.800
<v Speaker 2>is a group now. They're saying that Martin Hall has involved,

864
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Terry Flannagan is old Gary Kersher is involved. Who's the

865
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.440
<v Speaker 2>local business of it all?

866
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>If Flanagan's the next player, Yes, a legend. Bob Bledner

867
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 1>on it all right, Bob Lindner is he on the ball?

868
00:50:37.719 --> 00:50:40.400
<v Speaker 1>So my mate Roy Dewey is he on it?

869
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:43.679
<v Speaker 2>They've paid some of the debts, I believe, so.

870
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully I'll just keep interrupting you John to put you off.

871
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. For the long suffering Olden fans, there's a bit

872
00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>relief now because the funny thing is they've had to

873
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 2>shed players throughout the season, you know, keep their wage

874
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:57.519
<v Speaker 2>go down. But they've actually been playing really really well.

875
00:50:57.599 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I think they've sorry one family, like eleven in a row.

876
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 2>I think they're you know, entrenched in second behind Landon,

877
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 2>who were obviously a step above, but they're actually doing

878
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:11.000
<v Speaker 2>really well on the field Aldumn, so hopefully some stability

879
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.119
<v Speaker 2>for them now with new owners in.

880
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.119
<v Speaker 1>There we go everything tonky Dory Warrington six, Leeds thirty four.

881
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Warrington scored through Ashton and Irwin kicked a goal. I

882
00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:26.960
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that was Steve Irwin who did that

883
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:33.440
<v Speaker 1>for Australian Zoo. Leeds thirty four Sivol, But everything's normal again.

884
00:51:33.559 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 1>Civol scored a hat trick, Croft scored, Newman scored, Hankinson

885
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>scored and Connor kicked five goals. That's make as Evol's

886
00:51:44.079 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>fifth hat trick of the year. Did you watch that game?

887
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Job? I did? I did it? Look it was impressive

888
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.599
<v Speaker 2>from Leeds. I thought they really ran over the top

889
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 2>of Warrington, threw down a marker out the second half.

890
00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Sivos just said they couldn't really They tried to get

891
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.280
<v Speaker 2>two men up on him, they just couldn't really stop him.

892
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:09.239
<v Speaker 2>They had no plan to contain him. And I think

893
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I think with Warranton that they're having a good season,

894
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:14.119
<v Speaker 2>but they went with the two young halves and I

895
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.719
<v Speaker 2>think they obviously they've got got injuries there, but I

896
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:20.599
<v Speaker 2>think they really need a more experienced half alongside one

897
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.519
<v Speaker 2>of the young halves. It's a big ask for you know,

898
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 2>have an eighteen year old and a twenty twenty one

899
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:30.199
<v Speaker 2>year old in you know, eighty six and seven. But yeah, Leeds,

900
00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean they've got whole caw this Friday aheadly that

901
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 2>is a humdinger of a game. I think they win

902
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 2>that and then you you really put them up there

903
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.519
<v Speaker 2>as a team that can that can win the camp

904
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I think there's probably three standout teams

905
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.079
<v Speaker 2>this year and that's Leeds we're going and Whole Carhull f.

906
00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>C ten Wakefield thirty six whole score through Bristol and

907
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Litton and Caesar kicked to goal. Wakefield thirty six two

908
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:06.920
<v Speaker 1>from Johnston, two from Nicotimo mckeekon and Tavanger scored. Joe

909
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:14.280
<v Speaker 1>kicked six goals, four wins from five and they are

910
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in fourth in Super League now.

911
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Wake Yeah, and the loss that they had was against Wigan,

912
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>who obviously have been excellent, very good performance from Waki,

913
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 2>some damn play from Hallersey. They had two yellow cards,

914
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 2>one from sa Essay and one from Matatia. So yeah,

915
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean Hallosey's season has been abysmal, hasn't it? But

916
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:42.000
<v Speaker 2>film credit to wake Tom Johnston. Very very good form,

917
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, just they look a good way. Feel great

918
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>to see them continue their their recent form.

919
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, York twenty two tries to Hunter, Harris and Galiano

920
00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:01.480
<v Speaker 1>also scored. Benison kick two goals, Wigan seventy two. It

921
00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 1>was forty four nil at halftime. Sa Wardle got two,

922
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Hodkinson got three, Kieran, who scores every week, scored only one,

923
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Field got three and Somber scored. French scored Farroman scored.

924
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Kieran kicked ten goals, two hat tricks, Gyfield and Noah Hodkinson.

925
00:54:19.840 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 1>And it was at York's ground discussed John Yeah, I

926
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 1>mean it was men against boys.

927
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Really. The thing about that scoreline in the seventieth minute

928
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 2>it was seventy two nil. So York scored quite a

929
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.440
<v Speaker 2>few trials at the end, but it was seventy two nil. Wow,

930
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 2>just crazy. I mean joy Field was on fire and

931
00:54:43.559 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>Wigan were just you know, they were just throwing a

932
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.880
<v Speaker 2>ball around and just they look to be having a

933
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:51.280
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun out there in New York. Just some

934
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.119
<v Speaker 2>of their defensive efforts they dropped the ball and they

935
00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 2>just stop and just watch as quick picked it up

936
00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know would run seventy eighty meters. Yeah, it

937
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 2>was tough to watch.

938
00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.559
<v Speaker 1>Big win for whole k Are hull KR twenty two

939
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:11.360
<v Speaker 1>eight hull Kr scored through Burgess, Hiccku, Whitbread and laland

940
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:15.320
<v Speaker 1>three goals from Martin Lee's eight came from Alec, Weyenk

941
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:23.320
<v Speaker 1>and Hodgson and they probably deserved that win. All up John, Yeah.

942
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I think another good performance from ok tyerm May very

943
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>he's having a fantastic season. Very strong again. Michael Lewis

944
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 2>setting up the try with a nice kick. Yeah, I

945
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.159
<v Speaker 2>think Leo would be disappointed that they weren't really didn't

946
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.440
<v Speaker 2>really throw a lot of punches in this one. I'm

947
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 2>considering they've dipping in great form in recent weeks and

948
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:50.159
<v Speaker 2>one quite a few games. But yeah, pretty one sided

949
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 2>game that one.

950
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Catalan's resurgent under JC thirty four, Bradford twenty four tries

951
00:55:59.079 --> 00:56:05.440
<v Speaker 1>for Catalansovich Allen Boss Gay Fartarpit Leaming and stains five

952
00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:10.360
<v Speaker 1>goals from a Sparowl BChE. Bradford's twenty four from Sutton

953
00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:15.159
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Wing got two Aikins goals from Atkin and Dean.

954
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:19.440
<v Speaker 1>That's their third winning four games. Catalan good Yeah, I

955
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 1>mean good work.

956
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>JC. Definitely Cruise Leaming put on a really great show.

957
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Scored a try, I set up a couple. I thought

958
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Bradford are very good in this game. I shared a

959
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of fight kind of win in particularly was outstanding

960
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.960
<v Speaker 2>out on the right wing. But yeah, good win for Catalans.

961
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.199
<v Speaker 2>I think it keeps them in the mix, but I

962
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 2>don't really see them.

963
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 1>What's interesting looking at these score lines, how many of

964
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:48.639
<v Speaker 1>these games were over by halftime?

965
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Really? Yeah, well, I think this was probably the most

966
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:57.519
<v Speaker 2>competitive game of the round. You know, it was kind

967
00:56:57.559 --> 00:57:01.280
<v Speaker 2>of sea sawing and Bradford did have a yeah, trying

968
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:02.760
<v Speaker 2>to think who was the playmate. There was a try.

969
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:05.159
<v Speaker 2>This allowed for a footing to touch from a pass,

970
00:57:06.199 --> 00:57:09.880
<v Speaker 2>which was the right the right call, but yeah, this

971
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:12.440
<v Speaker 2>was one of the more entertaining games. It was some

972
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:18.000
<v Speaker 2>long range tries and some some some quite catching tries

973
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:21.679
<v Speaker 2>as well. That's for thirty six thanks to Weaver, Lalo

974
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:30.000
<v Speaker 2>to Ganga Tongua guy Gary Gary got two, Sinny got one,

975
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 2>ass he got one. Weaver kick six goals to lose

976
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.599
<v Speaker 2>his eighteen because it was twenty thirty six eighteen La

977
00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:41.360
<v Speaker 2>Glaire stefaniet Rouge got the tries and SHOT's kick three goals.

978
00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Again Castleford Castle would look on track now to me

979
00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they've they've been improved as the year has gone on.

980
00:57:49.880 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I have definitely, but now very slick on the edges stage.

981
00:57:52.480 --> 00:57:54.840
<v Speaker 2>And Assi was very good in this game. I think

982
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:57.039
<v Speaker 2>he got a number of assists scored to try himself

983
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:01.159
<v Speaker 2>and to Loose were really I'm sure exactly what scores,

984
00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:04.280
<v Speaker 2>but they were well well behind before they started, you know,

985
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.440
<v Speaker 2>creating anything and obviously picked up a few late tries

986
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.199
<v Speaker 2>which leveled up the score line somewhat.

987
00:58:11.800 --> 00:58:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Saint Helen's have ended their losing Super League run after

988
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a comfortable win against Huddersfield. Huddersfield have now lost eight

989
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 1>in a row thirty eight six to Saint Helens. Tries

990
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:27.320
<v Speaker 1>from Cyrenon who got two McDonald Wormsley Robertson and Davis

991
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:31.119
<v Speaker 1>got two. Hastings I hope that wasn't Gavin. Hastings scored

992
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:37.079
<v Speaker 1>five goals and Huddersfield six came from Gaya and Flanagan

993
00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 1>got the goal. That was enough for Paul school Thought

994
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:42.719
<v Speaker 1>to tweet out.

995
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Well the funny thing was when these two times teams played,

996
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I think it was about six weeks ago. It was

997
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:56.440
<v Speaker 2>an absolutely dreadful game at the ACU Stadium and this

998
00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:01.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a huge amount of difference at in St Helens. Yeah,

999
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how does Steel just looked at sleep at times?

1000
00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:10.199
<v Speaker 2>Terrible defense, not catching kicks in the back line, dropping

1001
00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 2>kicks that were put up. Darryl Clark just having a

1002
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:18.519
<v Speaker 2>field day A nine And yeah, I mean sint Allen's

1003
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:20.840
<v Speaker 2>haven't been very good for the past five weeks, so

1004
00:59:20.840 --> 00:59:24.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll be very happy to get that result. You got

1005
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.039
<v Speaker 2>some questions John on your X I did you it

1006
00:59:29.239 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 2>is your Twitter Twitter. I've got a few questions that

1007
00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I will read out. We'll go through quickly because we

1008
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:40.079
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be here all day, do we or not?

1009
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm on your Facebook here, so you do the

1010
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Twitter ones. I'll do the Facebook ones.

1011
00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, We've got a question from Andy Preston. Well, the

1012
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:51.360
<v Speaker 2>next TV deal announcement unlocked the transfer market and the

1013
00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:54.760
<v Speaker 2>event of a reduced next deal, do you predict an

1014
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 2>extusive talented other cloudes slash down under or is it

1015
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.639
<v Speaker 2>more likely that players I just will agree with use terms.

1016
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a really good question. I think it

1017
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.920
<v Speaker 2>is very hard to plan or make any signings when

1018
01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.679
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what money you actually get next year,

1019
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:14.840
<v Speaker 2>whether it'll be a reduced for expense. So I think

1020
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 2>there are some clubs who are holding back in terms

1021
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 2>of reduced next to you. I mean, I don't know

1022
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.239
<v Speaker 2>if there will be an exodus of talent, but the

1023
01:00:23.320 --> 01:00:26.559
<v Speaker 2>fact there are two more our old teams just means

1024
01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:31.480
<v Speaker 2>there are more opportunities and clubs are particularly open to

1025
01:00:31.519 --> 01:00:35.159
<v Speaker 2>the English market. You know, made Lee's George Williams, Ledski,

1026
01:00:35.559 --> 01:00:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Newman Morgan Gangs obviously come back to Leeds from the Warriors.

1027
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:42.079
<v Speaker 2>So it goes to show. I mean, if you look

1028
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Speaker 2>at the success rate of English players in the NROL League,

1029
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:49.159
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, there's been some massive success one in two,

1030
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>one in three quite frankly, yeah, I would say probably

1031
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:55.599
<v Speaker 2>more one in three if you look at how many

1032
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:59.239
<v Speaker 2>actually you know, see out the whole contract and whether

1033
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:03.039
<v Speaker 2>they become the starters. I mean there's huge successes, you know,

1034
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:07.440
<v Speaker 2>the Burgesses, Graham, Elus Morley, et cetera. But you know

1035
01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 2>there's people like Callum Watkins, Cruise Leaning, Dan sargentson you know,

1036
01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 2>there's Lee moss Up. There's been a lot that has

1037
01:01:17.039 --> 01:01:18.039
<v Speaker 2>done nothing as well.

1038
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:24.599
<v Speaker 1>So Nick Nick Gooje asked us on Facebook similar question,

1039
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 1>really about the NRL deal and new TV contract, So

1040
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.639
<v Speaker 1>I think that wraps it up there. James Bailey asked

1041
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:34.280
<v Speaker 1>about Hermann Essay. Essay's role to recovery. Is he an

1042
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.280
<v Speaker 1>alcoholic or no.

1043
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 2>I think he's talking about his injury obviously. Yeah, he

1044
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:45.559
<v Speaker 2>played against Wake and he got he tried to take

1045
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the head off of Tom Johnson. It seemed a bit

1046
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 2>stupid and he got a yellow card for that. So

1047
01:01:50.119 --> 01:01:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I think probably a bit of frustration and how the

1048
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.280
<v Speaker 2>game was going and he's coming out of the field,

1049
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, not ideal for him, so he needs to

1050
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.400
<v Speaker 2>But has he got an injury now, because the way

1051
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 2>he said that he got injured hitching in the head.

1052
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:05.800
<v Speaker 2>So no, no, no, he got to go Like I

1053
01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.920
<v Speaker 2>don't think I'm not aware that he got injured in

1054
01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:11.800
<v Speaker 2>that game. But he has been out for a long

1055
01:02:11.880 --> 01:02:14.880
<v Speaker 2>long period with injury, and you know, one of the

1056
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 2>main players that I have to see, so he has

1057
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 2>been a big loss for them, you know, this year

1058
01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.119
<v Speaker 2>for the majority of the season.

1059
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Really Mickey Reeves heard whispers of financial struggles at York,

1060
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:27.880
<v Speaker 1>but players being paid, like any truth to that.

1061
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been a lot of talk about York from

1062
01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:36.039
<v Speaker 2>a number of people in the last couple of weeks.

1063
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Now I spoke to the chairman. He denied there was

1064
01:02:39.440 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 2>any financial issues. Obviously, as we mentioned earlier, they only

1065
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:48.239
<v Speaker 2>got six hundred and fifty thousand compared with one point

1066
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:51.119
<v Speaker 2>three million to the other clubs in Super League. So

1067
01:02:51.400 --> 01:02:54.960
<v Speaker 2>that's you know, I think their salary cap, their waves

1068
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.400
<v Speaker 2>bill is probably around the one point two million mark

1069
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.480
<v Speaker 2>while the limit is two point one. So it really

1070
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 2>goes to show and you know, that's a nod to

1071
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.800
<v Speaker 2>why some of the results that they've had, Obviously the

1072
01:03:04.840 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 2>wig and one when you're spending so little on players.

1073
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:14.480
<v Speaker 2>But that's the speculation. Now, there's no confirmation. I've not

1074
01:03:14.599 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 2>heard of. Usually when a club's in financial problems, they

1075
01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:22.440
<v Speaker 2>have hmr C debt, they have playing their suppliers on time,

1076
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.079
<v Speaker 2>they're not playing players on time. There's been no whispers

1077
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:30.239
<v Speaker 2>or talk of that as I understand it. I hope

1078
01:03:30.519 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 2>that everything is above board and going well York, because

1079
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.599
<v Speaker 2>after what we had with Sulfur and Featherstone, and North

1080
01:03:36.639 --> 01:03:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Wales and Halifax. We really don't need another club in

1081
01:03:42.039 --> 01:03:49.199
<v Speaker 2>financial difficulty now, and I think talking about the fourteenth expansion,

1082
01:03:49.679 --> 01:03:52.360
<v Speaker 2>that would be a real slap in the face for

1083
01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:54.719
<v Speaker 2>the RFL if they expanded a competition in one of

1084
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.920
<v Speaker 2>the clubs they brought in was in financial difficulty. So

1085
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:04.480
<v Speaker 2>hopefully it's just and there's no smoke. Sorry, there's no

1086
01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:11.800
<v Speaker 2>fire with this smoke. I should say more questions on X. Yes,

1087
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.320
<v Speaker 2>there's another one. There's one from Ian Horricks. What's happened

1088
01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:16.239
<v Speaker 2>to the restrictions on the number of minutes played by

1089
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.800
<v Speaker 2>players that was all over the news last season? And

1090
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the second part also, if we're chatting for OSSI's to

1091
01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:22.639
<v Speaker 2>play in the World Cup, why can't we find a

1092
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:26.679
<v Speaker 2>halfback rather than positions? We're okay in the first part

1093
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.760
<v Speaker 2>is a very good question. It's not really been talked about.

1094
01:04:29.800 --> 01:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>There's been nothing official from the RFL about that, so

1095
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:41.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a tad bazaarre. The second bit, it's not easy

1096
01:04:41.519 --> 01:04:44.559
<v Speaker 2>to find top half backs, is it Lee? Now? I

1097
01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:49.159
<v Speaker 2>think one of the halfbacks that is eligible for England,

1098
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:51.519
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think he wants to play for because

1099
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:55.280
<v Speaker 2>he's not English. He's Sam Walker. Now that's because he

1100
01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 2>was born in Leeds because his dad was playing for

1101
01:04:57.599 --> 01:04:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Leeds at that time.

1102
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:02.239
<v Speaker 1>But he's not going to want to play for England.

1103
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:09.000
<v Speaker 1>And you can't manufacture half backs right exactly exactly, either

1104
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 1>you've only got English heritage or you haven't.

1105
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm actually Nathan Fain and you've got a great

1106
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.519
<v Speaker 2>Runny played in New Zealand. But yeah, it's not that

1107
01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 2>simple to just you know, tout. But yeah, we're not

1108
01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 2>recruiting for a club I think as I'm aware. I mean,

1109
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:30.360
<v Speaker 2>apart from obviously Jackson Hastings who is in Super League,

1110
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:35.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know of any NRL halfbacks who have English

1111
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.159
<v Speaker 2>heritage or who are eligible for England that apart from

1112
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 2>obviously DCE was eligible, but he has played for Australia

1113
01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:48.559
<v Speaker 2>many times, so I don't think that's happening. But yeah,

1114
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't I'm not aware of anyone else who is eligible,

1115
01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:55.480
<v Speaker 2>but there may be someone out there. Any more questions

1116
01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:58.599
<v Speaker 2>A question from Tim Connley. Any news on the NRL

1117
01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.800
<v Speaker 2>doom seems to have gone very quick. It has gone

1118
01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 2>very quiet, Tim. Obviously, with the news that Andrew Abdo

1119
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:08.000
<v Speaker 2>is leaving has took away a lot of the focus.

1120
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.079
<v Speaker 2>My understanding is there won't be any progress until the

1121
01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:17.079
<v Speaker 2>NRL does it's broadcast deal, and that seems to be

1122
01:06:17.159 --> 01:06:20.400
<v Speaker 2>There's been a few reports about that last week. Hasn't

1123
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:27.320
<v Speaker 2>there leaving for him out? Yeah, I'm not confident that

1124
01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:30.119
<v Speaker 2>there will be an NRL deal, but no, I don't

1125
01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.639
<v Speaker 2>think it's dead in the ward as yet.

1126
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:36.639
<v Speaker 1>But what I would think if they've allowed a late

1127
01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:42.400
<v Speaker 1>comer to become the RFL CEO, if indeed that is true,

1128
01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that would suggest to me that the current board, which

1129
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:50.000
<v Speaker 1>as we know includes somebody hovering around it called Nigel Wood,

1130
01:06:50.039 --> 01:06:51.440
<v Speaker 1>is he actually on the board or is he?

1131
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

1132
01:06:52.400 --> 01:06:57.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, I think they've got a plan and they've

1133
01:06:57.519 --> 01:07:03.639
<v Speaker 1>got their own plan. And that suggested because because if

1134
01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:06.239
<v Speaker 1>you think about it, right, if you're of a certain

1135
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:12.880
<v Speaker 1>mindset that you're the Diana of rugby league, right, you know,

1136
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:15.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm the boss of rugby league in England kind of thing.

1137
01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:18.559
<v Speaker 1>And I'm only speculating here, but it would take an

1138
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:22.320
<v Speaker 1>absolutely per faith to put loads of trust into somebody

1139
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:23.920
<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the world to run your

1140
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 1>comp wouldn't it. It's quite a big thing and.

1141
01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:33.639
<v Speaker 2>That's where the money comes in. Live Yeah, that's where

1142
01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.599
<v Speaker 2>if if you say, you know, here's two million per

1143
01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:40.239
<v Speaker 2>club or a fairly lamb sum, and you can't really

1144
01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.280
<v Speaker 2>refuse that, can you, Because if you've got every club

1145
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:47.400
<v Speaker 2>that's losing money, I don't think they're going to knock

1146
01:07:47.480 --> 01:07:50.679
<v Speaker 2>that money in the face. But in saying that the

1147
01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 2>NROL has got on, it's played, it hasn't it. It's got,

1148
01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:57.639
<v Speaker 2>it's got, it's got Vegas, it's got what all the

1149
01:07:57.719 --> 01:07:59.599
<v Speaker 2>talk of the mine is about another team in New Zealand?

1150
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:05.440
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it christ Church? Yeah? And I think from the

1151
01:08:05.480 --> 01:08:07.760
<v Speaker 2>super leap point there's a lot of still opposition to

1152
01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:10.280
<v Speaker 2>the NRL, isn't it. They're not. I don't think they're

1153
01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.719
<v Speaker 2>banging down the doors of the NL saying come and

1154
01:08:13.119 --> 01:08:14.559
<v Speaker 2>save us, or come and work with us.

1155
01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:16.760
<v Speaker 1>That's any more questions.

1156
01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 2>There is a couple more sort of my phone's just

1157
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:25.560
<v Speaker 2>dropped off, Gareth Dixon. How do York stay in the league?

1158
01:08:25.560 --> 01:08:28.720
<v Speaker 2>If Huddersfield are saying their IMG points are enough, are

1159
01:08:28.760 --> 01:08:30.279
<v Speaker 2>they in the mix to go down there? Flimbing coming

1160
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:33.279
<v Speaker 2>in or does it go to fifteen teams? I think

1161
01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:37.560
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this the last podcast. I don't know

1162
01:08:37.840 --> 01:08:40.800
<v Speaker 2>exactly skim through them, mate, skim through. I mean, I

1163
01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 2>don't know the exact IMG points. But yeah, Hardersfield are

1164
01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:48.760
<v Speaker 2>saying that they're going to be fine. But look, I

1165
01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:50.000
<v Speaker 2>think we're going to find out at the end of

1166
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:51.680
<v Speaker 2>the year. We don't know if there will be fifteen

1167
01:08:51.680 --> 01:08:56.520
<v Speaker 2>teen they are unleashed question from Ben what's the best

1168
01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.239
<v Speaker 2>method method to promote and market the game? Everyone was

1169
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:05.680
<v Speaker 2>the Johnny Vegas TV ever, but there hasn't been anything since. Look,

1170
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I think if you're going to promote and market the game,

1171
01:09:07.720 --> 01:09:10.039
<v Speaker 2>you have to have some money to spend on marketing

1172
01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:10.359
<v Speaker 2>and promo.

1173
01:09:10.479 --> 01:09:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I also, I also find it really interesting that somebody

1174
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.439
<v Speaker 1>asked a question like that. And I'm not saying you shouldn't,

1175
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:21.600
<v Speaker 1>but we I always remember reading Martin Sadly when I

1176
01:09:21.720 --> 01:09:23.760
<v Speaker 1>was younger, and he Owes used to say, the RFL

1177
01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:27.880
<v Speaker 1>need to market it better. What's marketing?

1178
01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 2>Right?

1179
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:37.560
<v Speaker 1>The marketings everything marketings. When you google something, you should

1180
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.800
<v Speaker 1>be able to find the data when it's on you

1181
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:46.840
<v Speaker 1>know that that's marketing. How you're marketing marketing is when

1182
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.039
<v Speaker 1>there's a game on TV, all the fans should be

1183
01:09:50.119 --> 01:09:52.039
<v Speaker 1>in front of the camera in that grand stand there

1184
01:09:52.119 --> 01:09:55.359
<v Speaker 1>so if all three of the other grand stands are empty,

1185
01:09:55.920 --> 01:10:00.840
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter as much because because the the cameras

1186
01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.119
<v Speaker 1>aren't on them the majority of the time that things

1187
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.520
<v Speaker 1>like that are marketing rather than just advertising in the

1188
01:10:05.600 --> 01:10:10.239
<v Speaker 1>London something like that, exactly, exactly, it's not social media.

1189
01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Social media is a huge thing.

1190
01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.600
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's not just the Tina Turner simply the best ads.

1191
01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:17.920
<v Speaker 2>It's it's all the other things as well.

1192
01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.439
<v Speaker 1>And you know what rugby league should do is get

1193
01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.800
<v Speaker 1>Beyonce sing a few songs and then that will crack it.

1194
01:10:28.560 --> 01:10:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In a serious note, it is interesting the RFL.

1195
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:36.319
<v Speaker 1>A serious rugby league, got the nineties same things.

1196
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.119
<v Speaker 2>Digital content creators. It's looking for those to kind of

1197
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.079
<v Speaker 2>work for it for free. So effectively it's trying to

1198
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:50.159
<v Speaker 2>get media fans to do media for free. It's a

1199
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:51.119
<v Speaker 2>very interesting.

1200
01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Probably one of the best people to promote rugby league

1201
01:10:53.720 --> 01:10:56.840
<v Speaker 1>right now, right now as we sit here, is Andy Burnham.

1202
01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I do I have found the and

1203
01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:06.479
<v Speaker 2>we won't go off too far an attendent, but I

1204
01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:08.720
<v Speaker 2>have found a whole make of field. BI election quite

1205
01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.279
<v Speaker 2>interesting because on the one hand you had Any Burnham,

1206
01:11:11.680 --> 01:11:15.119
<v Speaker 2>former president of the RFL, I think former president or

1207
01:11:15.239 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 2>chairman of Lee Leopards. You know, he's talked about his

1208
01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.680
<v Speaker 2>associations with rugby league and then you had Robert Kenyon

1209
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.039
<v Speaker 2>run against him, the reform candidate who was a former

1210
01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.560
<v Speaker 2>I think he called some reserve grades. So Wigan Warrior

1211
01:11:30.680 --> 01:11:35.319
<v Speaker 2>is a big Wigan fan, but who was also banned

1212
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.640
<v Speaker 2>from social media and you know added for lots of

1213
01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.680
<v Speaker 2>sexist prominence he made about female rugby league players and

1214
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:45.399
<v Speaker 2>obviously wanting to sniff and nick Carol Vornerman's asshole.

1215
01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 1>That's a companient to Carol. I'm sure he wouldn't do

1216
01:11:49.279 --> 01:11:50.399
<v Speaker 1>it to everyone's asshole.

1217
01:11:52.520 --> 01:11:56.039
<v Speaker 2>I think your cousin might disagree with you there, but

1218
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.800
<v Speaker 2>as a labor MP. But it was interesting how both

1219
01:11:59.840 --> 01:12:01.920
<v Speaker 2>of than we're trying to use rugby league as a

1220
01:12:02.000 --> 01:12:04.439
<v Speaker 2>political tool in the election.

1221
01:12:06.079 --> 01:12:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Workington Man.

1222
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Was it or the reverse working Man which obviously ended

1223
01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.039
<v Speaker 2>with any Burnham winning.

1224
01:12:17.479 --> 01:12:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Any more questions.

1225
01:12:20.199 --> 01:12:23.000
<v Speaker 2>From Adam? Was that your game? Yesterday's a Wigan fan,

1226
01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Adam are playing great, but honestly say, it's the first

1227
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:27.920
<v Speaker 2>time I remember seeing players on the winning team looking

1228
01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.279
<v Speaker 2>embarrassed at the size of the mismatch. Yeah, I mean

1229
01:12:31.359 --> 01:12:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that's more of a comment and I can't agree with

1230
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 2>you there, Adam, that's that's a fair take. Question from Gary,

1231
01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:39.479
<v Speaker 2>what is going on with on trout Lee? Please come

1232
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.600
<v Speaker 2>out if the media are gagged and say.

1233
01:12:41.520 --> 01:12:43.960
<v Speaker 1>So, what's going on with Lee?

1234
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Out? At Lee?

1235
01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 1>I thought he'd been announced going to please go to

1236
01:12:51.039 --> 01:12:51.439
<v Speaker 1>next year.

1237
01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not really aware of what Gary's talking about.

1238
01:12:56.239 --> 01:12:58.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think media are gagged. I'm not sure what

1239
01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.760
<v Speaker 2>he's alluding to. So yeah, I'm sorry Gary, I don't

1240
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:04.680
<v Speaker 2>really know that.

1241
01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I think gary' is a fish out of water there,

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01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:07.399
<v Speaker 1>if you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Any more questions, No, I think that if there's any

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01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:16.039
<v Speaker 2>more on Facebook, I think that was all we had

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01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 2>on Twitter.

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01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:18.399
<v Speaker 1>We have to go slightly longer, John, because you had

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01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:24.359
<v Speaker 1>a week off last week doing nothing. So Origin, your team,

1248
01:13:24.960 --> 01:13:26.920
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales, both of your teams were going to

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01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:36.079
<v Speaker 1>next Cross this week finally lost now soccer use Yeah yeah, Origin.

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01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:38.840
<v Speaker 1>It's looking really bad, isn't it. I mean, it wouldn't

1251
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:42.520
<v Speaker 1>surprise me if the players sort of get together and

1252
01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:44.800
<v Speaker 1>go right, we're going to sort this Game three. I

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01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.600
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't surprise me if New South Wales won Game three,

1254
01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.479
<v Speaker 1>would not surprise me. But it would also be the

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01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:54.239
<v Speaker 1>worst thing to happen to New South Wales if that

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01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:57.079
<v Speaker 1>were to happen, because they need to have root and

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01:13:57.159 --> 01:13:59.880
<v Speaker 1>branch reform I think. I mean the choice of coach,

1258
01:14:00.840 --> 01:14:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the restriction on the players, how nervous they look, and

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01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:09.800
<v Speaker 1>how they don't look relaxed. There's so many things that

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01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:10.720
<v Speaker 1>need to change there.

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01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, just bringing your bench hooker on at

1262
01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:17.439
<v Speaker 2>some point in the game when you need a spark

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01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:21.640
<v Speaker 2>would help your prop rotation. Your prop rotation, Yeah, I

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01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:25.119
<v Speaker 2>mean yeah, having Adam Vanua Blake on for what ten

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01:14:25.159 --> 01:14:29.520
<v Speaker 2>minutes then taking him off. I thought Paynehasse and Barnett

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01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 2>dominated the middle in the first half and then they

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01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:34.479
<v Speaker 2>went off and you said, I, we're getting completely battered.

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01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, not leaving Ola Klatu, who's one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best edge forwards in the world, if not

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<v Speaker 2>the best. Somewhat biased as a Manly fan, but not

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01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:51.039
<v Speaker 2>picking him was just madness. Mitchell Moses, who is a

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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:53.159
<v Speaker 2>great player, but I don't think he'd played a game

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01:14:53.279 --> 01:14:58.760
<v Speaker 2>before Origin too, because he'd been injured. There's just so

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01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:01.479
<v Speaker 2>many things that it's very restling to talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And man the manly bubble has burst. I mean you're

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01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:08.399
<v Speaker 1>lost to the dogs, mate, Well, the Bulldogs.

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01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say it was burst.

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01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 1>I would, I would.

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01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I watched I watched that game.

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<v Speaker 1>With you, with your with your maroon tinted glasses on

1281
01:15:20.039 --> 01:15:22.359
<v Speaker 1>with my mother. I bet you don't know. I bet

1282
01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 1>you don't know yourself. You're looking at skyblue, sorry, through

1283
01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.600
<v Speaker 1>blue glasses on a Wednesday, and then maroon glasses on

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01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:31.760
<v Speaker 1>a Saturday. You don't know which side of the fence

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01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:32.039
<v Speaker 1>you're on.

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01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:36.119
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm very good too. I'm very good at, you know,

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01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:41.119
<v Speaker 2>separating myself from the from the contest. Look, I think

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01:15:41.199 --> 01:15:44.079
<v Speaker 2>anybody deserved to win. They they were a lot hungrier,

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01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:47.800
<v Speaker 2>They ran a lot harder in the second half. Four

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01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:51.359
<v Speaker 2>goal kicking foggedy. I think he hit the post twice

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01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:55.760
<v Speaker 2>and once DCE was was the drop goal exponing for

1292
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:58.119
<v Speaker 2>years they just didn't set up for a field goal. Well,

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01:15:58.119 --> 01:15:58.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got to.

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01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I've got two takeaways left Canberra. They were in the

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01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:05.600
<v Speaker 1>top as the game and now he's gone to Many

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01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and then they're knocking on the door now. Well, secondly,

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01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 1>you talked about the Bulldogs being more hungry. It looked

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01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:13.479
<v Speaker 1>like j TREVOI has has been hungry for a while.

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01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Did you look at did you see how heavy he

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01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:18.319
<v Speaker 1>looks all of a sudden Did you notice that? I

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01:16:18.439 --> 01:16:21.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't notice that, Now I did. Yeah, first thing, I noticed.

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01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 2>That Mamina just faded badly in the second half, and

1303
01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:28.920
<v Speaker 2>I had plenty of chances to win the game, and

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01:16:29.000 --> 01:16:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it was the right result. So but of course, sorry, no,

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01:16:35.720 --> 01:16:39.119
<v Speaker 2>it's I say credit to the dogs. I think credit.

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01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:43.199
<v Speaker 2>I think Brighton as he it was some sort of

1307
01:16:43.279 --> 01:16:46.479
<v Speaker 2>weird stad. He's kicked three winning field goals in three

1308
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:50.399
<v Speaker 2>different countries for three different teams, obviously Lamar against England

1309
01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:51.960
<v Speaker 2>and the World Cup in twenty twenty two. I was

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01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:59.039
<v Speaker 2>at that game at the stadium, yep, and he's obviously

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01:16:59.119 --> 01:17:00.720
<v Speaker 2>kicked it for the teams.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great, that's great intervention. Yeah, there was what he

1313
01:17:06.880 --> 01:17:10.439
<v Speaker 1>starts credit Obviously. Obviously the NRL as well is impacted

1314
01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:14.520
<v Speaker 1>by Origin right now. I mean it's you get these

1315
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:17.319
<v Speaker 1>shot results sometimes, don't you, in the middle of origin.

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01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even the Dragon's nearly won on Friday.

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01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you could say the Gold Coast I only saw

1318
01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:25.439
<v Speaker 2>the last minutes. It was a very good last roam

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01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.319
<v Speaker 2>and it's been we're out without four players, weren't they?

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<v Speaker 2>So that would help the times? Yeah, stupid? All right,

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01:17:35.720 --> 01:17:36.880
<v Speaker 2>let's tip next week.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday, Warrington hosts the Catalans or as you call

1323
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:44.359
<v Speaker 1>them the Catalans because you sound like a bank.

1324
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Now the Wolves that one.

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01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:53.039
<v Speaker 1>On Friday, Castleford Tigers play against the York We only

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01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:54.520
<v Speaker 1>get paid sometimes nights.

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01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Nasty lying, that's that's nasty.

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01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:00.399
<v Speaker 1>Sorry I was alleged.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I believe cast. Well, we'll get up in that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Leed Rhinoles against hul Kingston Rovers on Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I'm going to be at this game

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01:18:13.680 --> 01:18:17.439
<v Speaker 2>that this is a hell of a game. It's really

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01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.399
<v Speaker 2>hard to pick, but I think the Leeds being at

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01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:22.560
<v Speaker 2>home and the fact that they beat whole KR twice

1335
01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:27.359
<v Speaker 2>last year, I just think they might might have the

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<v Speaker 2>slide edge.

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<v Speaker 1>All left C host Wigan Warriors on Saturday afternoon. Jesus,

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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:39.880
<v Speaker 1>No he's not there. They might need Jesus. Depending on

1339
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:41.039
<v Speaker 1>your belief is everywhere.

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01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:44.039
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that could be a blood bath for you know,

1341
01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:46.319
<v Speaker 2>I think I think wigging by a fiscore.

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01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Bradford hosts Saint Helen's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's an interesting one. I think Bradford, I

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01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:57.079
<v Speaker 2>might to be a little bit of an upset and.

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01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.359
<v Speaker 1>M hm lose host Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Lee.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Saturday's And then I won obligatory fixture on

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<v Speaker 1>a Sunday if indeed we have one at all, Wakefield

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01:19:10.520 --> 01:19:12.479
<v Speaker 1>Trinity host to Huddersfield Giants.

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01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think Wakefield by a reasonable.

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01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Then we go all right. So that was a bumper

1352
01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Super League three sixty. We promised we won't have another

1353
01:19:23.960 --> 01:19:26.840
<v Speaker 1>un scheduled week off, but John John was a bit

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01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:27.680
<v Speaker 1>busy last week.

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<v Speaker 2>If yeah, if I get married again, we might have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I'll try.

1357
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:34.279
<v Speaker 1>Did it go all right?

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01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Still married? Yeah?

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01:19:38.119 --> 01:19:40.439
<v Speaker 1>No, what it was, I'm going to tell everybody what

1360
01:19:40.560 --> 01:19:42.520
<v Speaker 1>you said when we stopped recording. Yeah, yeah, I'll do

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01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:44.439
<v Speaker 1>it next Sunday, as long as I've not had too

1362
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:46.640
<v Speaker 1>many drinks. And I went yeah, all right, and then

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01:19:46.680 --> 01:19:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I went away and I thought, nah, he's not gonna

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01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:51.920
<v Speaker 1>he's not going to be doing anything forcast someday.

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01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's why our.

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01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Communication wasn't great. But hey, hole, congratulations John and Emma

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01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:02.079
<v Speaker 1>and U. Yeah, I hope we had a great time.

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01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:03.119
<v Speaker 1>And good luck to you.

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01:20:03.239 --> 01:20:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Emma.

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01:20:03.479 --> 01:20:09.720
<v Speaker 1>You're going to need it. We'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care,