Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. Prince Andrew's downfall has been a long time coming,
and now that the time has arrived, there's a lot
of questions about what it means. Well, today, in this
article from the Deli Mail, that's exactly what we're going
to talk about, as a royal biographer explains what has
been taken from Prince Andrew, what it all means, and
where everything goes from here. So why don't we just
dive right into the article and get started. This article
is from the Deli Mail and the headline Andrew Mount
bound Windsor will have to bow to his daughter's Beatrice
and Eugenie, says royal expert Robert Hardman as he answers
all your questions about the disgraced former Duke's future. This
article was authored by Ruth Stainer. When King Charles stripped
Andrew mount Batton Windsor of his remaining titles and threw
him out of the Royal Lodge, he left royal watchers
with many unanswered questions. Does the disgrace Duke now have
to bow to his daughter's Princess Eugenie and Beatrice? Having
been exiled from the firm. Will you now finally have
to apply for a passport? Oh? You mean like the
rest of us? And I think he should. He probably
has one already. But anything that a regular person in
the UK has to do, that should be what Prince
Andrew's up to, or the former Prince Andrew, I should say,
And I've said it once and I'll say it again.
This dude should have to get a real job like
everybody else. Well, you think the rest of us want
to wake up every morning and bust our asses, grind
away like there's nothing better to do with our time.
It's long overdue that Prince Andrew gets a dose of
reality and what now of his ex wife Sarah Ferguson,
who has lived at Royal Lodge with Andrew for many
years despite the couple's divorce In nineteen ninety six. Following
Buckingham Palace's statement, Royal biographer Robert Hartman, author of Charles,
the Third New King, New Court The Inside Story, sat
down with Delhi Mel's Palace Confidential host Joe Elvin to
analyze the implications of the monarch's unprecedented move. Mister Hardman
described Charles as the Fountain of Justice and liken the
King's decision to strip Andrew of his honors and titles
to effectively categorizing him in the same way as war
criminals and enemies of the state. That's true, there's no
bs there. I mean, historically speaking, when this happens to
somebody of the stature of Prince Andrew, it usually means
that you have engaged in treason. Now, obviously this is
in treason at least that we know of, but it's
certainly bad for the firm, and it's not good for
the monarchy as a whole. And the fact that Prince
Andrew has been out here and still, you know, pleading
his case when everybody knows the truth is one of
the main drivers for him being disgraced the way he is.
If he would have just went away after all of
this first came out, never did the BBC interview just
folded into the background, he would still be protected by
the Crown and by the royal family. But because he
refused to do that, he wanted to still be out
there jet setting and make him pretend une this happened. Well,
now he's finally paying the piper, explaining the logistics behind
Charles's decision. Mister Hardman said the King has exercised as
royal prerogative with parliamentary and government approval. He's talked to
the Prime Ministers about this, answering listener questions. He also
broke down what Andrew's future might hold and the fate
of the British monarchy in the eye opening installment of
Palace Confidential Question number one, What exactly has been taken
away from Andrew? According to Buckingham Palace's statement on October thirty,
first Trick or Treat, the ex Duke has now been
stripped of his style of hrh his titles as Duke
and Prince, alongside two honors Knight of the Garter and
Knight Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian Order. Boy, there
sure are a lot of orders over there, huh night
this night at Lafongoul. It added that Prince Andrew will
now be known as Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, and that he
has been exiled from Windsor's Royal Lodge with a disgraced
ex Duke now set to move to alternative accommodation should
be a flat in the middle of London, and he
should have to pay for all of it. If that
means getting a job, well so be it. Why is
it anybody else's issue or problem that Prince Andrew's having
a tough time. He never cared about anybody else. Why
should anybody care about him? Formal notice has also been
served on Andrew the vacate Royal Lodge, the thirty bedroom
residents he's occupied since two thousand and eight, following mounting
public pressure over his friendship with pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. And
not just that again. Look, Prince Andrew has a lot
of his own bullshit that he's gotten up to, and
most of it has to do with him being greedy
and well, being a sweaty nonce. But being greedy especially two,
how will Princess Beatrice and Eugeni he be affected? Andrew's
two children, whom he shares with his ex wife Sarah Ferguson,
are likely to remain unaffected by the King's unprecedented decision.
Mister Hardman explained they are still Princesses and hrh because
they are the children of the son of a reigning monarch.
All along, the King and other members of the family
have been concerned that the sins of the family do
not befall them. They are blameless. They have led a
pretty upright life and are level headed and very nice
young women. And look, I do not disagree with that.
I don't have beef with them. I don't have any
problem with them at all. Honestly, the sins of the
father aren't drop down to the sins of the child,
at least not for me. Now. If they were up
to some bullshit, that would be a different story. And look,
I'm not talking about what they're doing now, I'm talking
about strictly as far as Epstein goes. I have no
idea what Beatrice or Eugenie are doing these days, no clue.
Never even looked into it, because it really doesn't move
the needle with the overall conversation that we're having, So
I've never really seen the need to drag Beatrice and
Eugenie into the conversation. However, he added that they are
unlikely to take on any further duties, instead acting predominantly
as essentially private citizens who are related to the king
and occasionally turn up at royal events. Well, it's time
to pare the monarchy down right. And I'm saying this
as a outside observer. Obviously, I don't live in the UK,
so I don't have the attachment to the royal family
that some people might. But for me it seems like
a slim down monarchy is the way to go, because
as far as I'm concerned, the less bureaucrats the better.
While the House of York has now become essentially dormant,
the King has an essence created new rules which include
the protection of Beatrice thirty seven and Eugenie thirty five
as princesses of York. As daughters of the son of
a sovereign, the sisters retain their titles in line with
King George the fifth Lefe Letters Patent of nineteen seventeen three.
Will Andrew now have to bow to his own daughters
as Andrew is no longer a prince but instead a commoner.
Mister Hardman confirmed that yes, he probably will have to
bow to his own daughters, given that they retained their
royal titles. Yet the royal biographer is convinced that Andrew
is unlikely to bow happily and is likely dreading the
moment that he will be publicly addressed. Is simply Andrew
rather than Prince Andrew. That's going to be a whole
lass bucket of cold water for this clown, when from
living the high life of being the queen's favorite son
to now being persona non grata, the kind of guy
nobody even wants to be around, never mind associate with. Well,
maybe the lady of Victoia Hovey, but besides that, I
don't think anybody wants to be around this dude, not
even Fergie. Will the former prince now need to get
his own passport. Andrew Will already have a passport, though
mister Hardman estimated he is unlikely to be doing much traveling.
Reports had previously speculated that Andrew could be persuaded to
set up home in a ten million pound luxury villa
in Abu Dhabi's royal family fortified to stay Andy of Arabia. Baby,
can you imagine? And that's why I put forward that
scenario yesterday. Bro's out here acting the fool. I can't
even imagine this dude in Arabia. What he should do
is have a reality TV show follow him and just
call that shit Andy in Arabia. Who's not tuning into that?
I mean, we're talking about a car crash waiting to happen.
I know, I know never gonna happen, But a guy
can dream, can he And mister Hardman has not ruled
out a form of actual exile for the disgraced former Prints,
adding there's only so long somebody can sit on a
farm in Norfolk. I mean when you're somebody like Andrew
who's used to jet setting and traveling all over the
world and having everybody bow down to you, Yeah, that
has to be a bit of a shock, and I
doubt he'll end up staying there forever. Speculating where Andrew
could choose to base himself away from the eyes of
the world and palace walls, the royal experts said Saudi
Arabia springs to mind. It has a fairly good record
on taking on waifs and strays nobody else wants. Yeah,
if your checkbook is right, if you have the right
amount of money, then yes, Saudi Arabia is like Flanders
in the year ten sixty six. If you have enough dough,
they're going to offer you protection. Will Andrew loses his
position as Counselor of State and could the line of
succession be modified. At this present moment, Andrew technically remains
a counselor of state, meaning that he could be authorized
to carry out the sovereign's official duties if they were
unable to do so. Yo, can you imagine that shit
disgrace Prince Andrew posted up on the throne while the
king is caught up doing whatever. Talk about bad optics,
talk about things that are never going to happen. This
change therefore prevents Andrew, alongside his nephew Prince Harry, from
fulfilling such a responsibility if the situation were to arise.
Mister Hart estimated there's a slim chance Andrew will no
longer be considered a counselor of state, as it doesn't
need to happen and is not something that matters. And
While he stressed that one should never say never given
the unprecedented nature of Andrew's titles being relinquished, he noted
that it would be rather unlikely that the line of
succession would be modified in this instance, given Andrew his
eighth in line for the throne. He pointedly added, if
the point came where the only choice was to have
Andrew on the throne, I think that would be the
end of the monarchy. Yeah, I think so. Can you
imagine the English people showing up to the Buckingham Palace
gates going bananas. What will happen to Sarah Ferguson and
could hurt and Andrew now live apart. Sarah Ferguson, also
known as Fergie, only received a royal title through her
marriage to Andrew in eighty six, and will now be
known as playing Sarah Ferguson in any official capacities. Her
Duchess of York title was the only connection to the
royal family Fergie had retained after she divorced Andrew in
ninety six and cease being a Royal Highness. Despite their
divorce in ninety six, the couple continue to live together
at the lavish thirty bedroom Royal Lodge at Windsor Well.
Why would Fergie leave? Talk about the world's greatest grift.
But unlike Andrew, who will move on to the property
on the private Sandringham estate, Fergie will make her own arrangements.
It's understood like it's going to be a big issue
for her. Daughters are loaded. She's loaded. I don't want
to hear she's broke. I don't buy that. And I'm
sure she's gonna end up on her feet unlike the
rest of us. Imagine you get booted out of your
house right now. That would be fun. Huh. And my
guess is nobody's brother is going to be riding in
and offering you an estate at Sandringham. It marks a
bitter end for Andrew and Sarah, the former Duchess, who
once told the Deli Mail We're the happiest divorced couple
in the world. Were divorced to each other, not from
each other. But mister Hardman is not convinced that we
have seen the last of Fergie, explaining that we could
see the former Duchess reinvent herself and perhaps come back
and enter into the form of charity work. I highly
doubt that. Considering what her email stated to Jeffrey Epstein,
I highly doubt any charity work is in her future. However,
given the email revelations by The Mail on Sunday, which
exposed her close friendship with pedophile Epstein, the Royal Expert
made it clear that she will not be going back
into the field of children's books. Yeah, probably not. That's
like get nell for cannibalism and then trying to become
some kind of food critic. The former duchess apologize to
prolific pedophile financier Epstein in April of twenty eleven, less
than two months after telling journalists I will never have
anything to do with Epstein again on the same live
bus that her husband was on. Shouldn't shock anybody. Two
birds of a feather after all. Addressing her supreme friend
in an email from the Truth of my Heart, she
humbly apologized to the convicted sex offender for letting him down,
adding that she had been told to speak out if
she wanted to save her career as a children's author.
Before the scandalous revelations, Fergie was due to release her
latest children's book, titled Flora and Kern Kindness along the
Way on October ninth. It has since been delayed. Well,
that's a shaka who though, wants to buy a children's
book from somebody that's been a penpal to Jeffrey Epstein
and who's accepted Jeffrey Epstein's largess and was hanging around them.
I'm sure parents worldwider racing out to purchase that. Can
Andrew now vote? While highly unprecedented move, Andrew could choose
to shift from palace to politics as he is indeed
able to vote. Mister Hartman stress that though it's unlikely
he would vote, he could stand for the local council
in Norfolk and do something useful. Making light of a
scenario in which former Prints could stand for a role
in public office, he added, I'm not sure he'd get
many votes. Yeah, highly doubt anyone's voting for Prince Andrew.
What will happen to Andrew's royal protection and how will
it be funded? Since being stripped of his royal titles?
Who remains unclear how Andrew will be protected as he's
no longer remains a part of the firm. However, mister
Hardman stresses that given his non existent role as a
working royal undertaking any public engagements, he doesn't really need
or have any security. He added that it's unlikely scenario
that he was going into any so called public facing
interactions there would likely be somebody there to keep an
eye on him, given that there is a heightened risk.
He's pretty well insulated from the outside world and I
wouldn't imagine that that's going to change, he explained. Well,
I'm sure that there's going to be some sort of security,
but as long as it's being funded by somebody besides
the taxpayer. Then cool did the Queen protect Andrew Despite
her beloved son being gradually embroiled by the Epstein scandal
In the final years of her life and reign, The
late Queen was perceived by some to have protected the
former Duke. Yes, she did, without a doubt, without a question,
with many describing him as her favorite. Mister Hartman explained
that the late monarch saw he was the most vulnerable
of all the children and took pity on Andrew as
he's your classic spare. He added, the Queen was very
sympathetic to spars. She could see that being number one
came with all sorts of privileges that she herself enjoyed,
and being runner up leaves you more exposed. Imagine that's
your biggest problem on the spare to the air. Let
me tell you about growing up in the South Bronx.
Let me tell you about growing up on the east
side of Las Vegas. And I'm supposed to have sympathy
because this dude was born as the second born son
of the Queen of England. Yeah right, not now, not ever.
If you're the sort of slightly gullible impressionable in his case,
feckless individual that makes you pray for the likes of
Jeffrey Epstein. I don't like that narrative either. This man
knew exactly what he was doing, who he was doing
it with, and chose to do it anyway. We're not
going to set Prince Andrew up as just some oakie
doak stupid ass. He had all the power in the world,
and not only that, he was warned about Jeffrey Epstein
and what Jeffrey Epstein was. He ignored those warnings. Why
because it benefited him. The royal expert described how it
had been very painful for the late Queen to effectively
stirp Andrew of all of his honorary military titles in
twenty twenty two, adding the Queen had to do some
very tough things, but clearly things had to go further,
and now they have. What she tried to do was
kill the whole entire argument by going just far enough
when she should have went all the way. And that
was the criticism at the time, and people said that
it was going to come back to bite the royal
family directly in the ass. And here we are explaining
why King Charles decided to go one step further than
his mother. He said, I think this has been a
long time coming. It's been brought to a head by
the news in the Mail on Sunday and subsequent revelations.
I think that accelerated things, But the main issue is
that this is gaining momentum. I think you have an
MPs in Parliament saying it's time to look at the
whole issue of the monarchy. When you have that kind
of atmosphere, you've got to move fast. And that's what
he's done. Was Charles's delay in taking action due to
a possible fear of hurting his brother. For mister Hartman,
there is no doubt that Charles banishing Andrew from royal
life will have been the hardest decision of his reign. However,
he added, when your monarch, your loyalty to the institution
outweighs your loyalty to individuals. The lay Queen found it
incredibly difficult to essentially force him to leave public life.
For her, she was a Princess of York, her father
was Duke of York. It was such a precious thing
to her and she was so pleased to give it
to him. On his wedding day. Suddenly it became tainted.
Andrew took on a lot of things that Philip had
relinquished during his retirement and then his death. For the
Queen to have to watch all that being unraveled was
very painful. And I told you then and i'll tell
you now. Prince Andrew drove the Queen to her grave,
and he's driving Charles there too. As far as she
was concerned, things had reached rock bottom. Of course, there's
now been a much longer, deeper drop. He added that
while Charles and Andrew undoubtedly had a close relationship in
their early days of marriage, explaining that the late Princess
Diana brought them together over a lunch at Windsor where
they happily enjoy chocolate. The King is a wise guy,
and here's what's going on. He would have picked up
on a grave line when these ambassadors were rolling their
eyes and tearing their hair out because Andrew was doing
something stupid. Mister Hardman explained, Yeah, there was a lot
of stuff going on with the ambassadors and other people
that work with Andrew and the government who weren't happy
with the way he conducted himself, and that was something
that was going on for quite some time. Could the
King give the Duke of York title to anybody else?
While the King is technically free to do so, mister
Hardman stressed that it's highly unlikely that the York title
will be given to anybody else while other descendants of
the last dukedom remain alive. I think it's going to
the title cupboard and we'll stay there for a very
long time, he added, explaining how the title will likely
remain dormant for this generation. The royal biographer stated that
it could make a comeback at some point in the future,
particularly given it belonged to some honorable royals, including the
late Queen's father, George the Fifth. And I really have
nothing to add there because I don't really understand how
all the titles work over in the UK as far
as who gets them who doesn't get them, So we'll
just go with what the author has to say here.
What mister Hardman has to say was Prince Andrew persuaded
to leave Royal Lodge or did he vacate happily? While
mere speculation about what truly occurred behind the scenes, Mister
Hardman argued that Andrew may likely have been persuaded to
leave the royal mansion, haven't been left with no alternative.
He added, the King had offered him a very good deal,
which was to move out of the Royal Lodge, retain
his allowance and live in Frogmore Cottage quietly, but Andrew
turned it down. Boy, I wish somebody would show that
deal for me. Sure, I'll move wherever you want. You're
paying me how much? Cool I'm in? I think that
he has now realized that those bills are beyond payment.
Whatever residual prospects he had of a business career has
gone in the last few weeks. It was just long term.
It was completely unfeasible for him to stay there. He
had his offer a year ago and turned it down.
What's changed now is public opinion and the latest revelations
that he hadn't been telling the whole truth have materially
changed the King's view and everybody else's point of view. Well,
if you guys would have been paying attention, you would
have known that he's been lying the whole time. I mean,
it's not like we were just pulling it out of
thin air. The evidence was right there for you to follow. Sure,
a lot of it was circumstantial. But when you add
up all that circumstantial evidence while, you get to a
place where it becomes almost irrefutable. And that's the place
we arrived when we're talking about dumbass Andrew. So people
might be shocked, but anyone who's been paying attention seen
this come in a mile away. Describing Sandringham as akin
to the shed at the bottom of your garden, he
explained that Andrew has now become a mere tenant rather
than a prince bestowed with the luxurious confines of a palace. Ah,
poor Andrew doesn't have a palace anymore. What happens next
for Andrew It remains unknown how Andrew is feeling towards
his brother's decision to publicly strip him of his royal titles,
but the Royal biographer suggested it would have been a
bitter appill to swallow in a particularly acute sign of
his unwavering love for his position in the firm. The
former prince was even said to have flown his royal
standard above the house. Now this has all irrevocably changed
for Andrew. I don't think he'll be flying any standard
above the tenant property in Norfolk, if indeed it even
has a flagpole. Maybe in the privacy of his own
home he still put on his garter robes and walk
around the garden. The royal expert added, when you were
within the royal world, things like honor really matter. That
mantlepiece is going to be very bare. Imagine that's what
your whole life was about. What sort of honorifics could
be bestowed upon you by your mom and your dad.
As Andrew is set to begin his new life in Sandringham,
it remains unclear how exactly the monarchy will be subsequently transformed.
Yet the writing is seemingly on the wall where King
Charles stands as the monarch appears unafraid to put principle
and duty over brotherly ties. Well, his hand has been forced.
Could have done this years ago, could have done this
right after he took the throne. He didn't do it,
So let's not give him all the credit here. I
give the credit to the people in the UK. You
force this shit to happen, Give yourselves a pat on
the back. Ultimately, as mister Hardman explains, the King's decision
enacted last week indicates a rather clearer precedent if you
seriously let down the royal side, then these things that
over the years members of the family took for granted
can be taken away. And from my perspective, the only
question I have is what took so long? Because this
was always the inevitable result, and the fact that they
dragged it out is something that's going to be studied
throughout history. The second that these allegations popped out, the
second that Prince Andrew paid that settlement, that should have
been the final nill in the coffin of his disgrace.
But he was still out here, still doing his things,
still running around, still carrying his titles. And now it's
all come crashing down in spectacular fashion. And now all
that's left to do for the Royal family is to
clean up the mess. All of the information that goes
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