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Speaker 2: My absolute favorite five task listeners and viewers. And I
Speaker 2: get to say that your vanting I did. I just
Speaker 2: got back from Ireland. I'm sure that a lot of
Speaker 2: you that are listening to this show are from Ireland
Speaker 2: because we had such a great time there and it
Speaker 2: was such a collective experience, and of course I was
Speaker 2: there with a two sixty two book launch and lucky me,
Speaker 2: I get off the plane and what do I get
Speaker 2: to see? I get to see two more to sixty
Speaker 2: two incredible speakers. So look, I always tell you listeners
Speaker 2: and viewers what you are today, and I think you
Speaker 2: are going to stand taller. You're going to stand taller
Speaker 2: after you listen to this incredible show about speaking in
Speaker 2: all its realms. Right, some of you would like I
Speaker 2: would never want to speak, and some of you are
Speaker 2: going to be surprised that you probably speak already. You
Speaker 2: just do it at your job, and you know it's
Speaker 2: part of what you do, and you call it teaching
Speaker 2: or you call it coaching. But he put a little
Speaker 2: stage underneath you and put a little zoom on you,
Speaker 2: and you're actually a speaker. So let's dig into that today,
Speaker 2: going to dig into all its facets. I have with
Speaker 2: me two incredible ladies that are going to be chatting
Speaker 2: after this podcast because we had to interrupt them. They
Speaker 2: were doing they were making so much friendship before we
Speaker 2: started the show. But this is Liz Hoite. You may
Speaker 2: have seen her speak if you were at the Ireland
Speaker 2: event last year, she closed the show, and this is
Speaker 2: Liz Hoite, and she's going to tell you a little
Speaker 2: bit about herself and her speaking. And then we have
Speaker 2: Kathy Holt. If you haven't heard about Kathy Holt and
Speaker 2: you've been hanging out with us, you haven't been hanging
Speaker 2: out with us, because this woman wrote the forward to
Speaker 2: our book and she's been at the Emmys and the
Speaker 2: Oscars and all the things. So you would have to
Speaker 2: not know us at all to not know Kathy. But
Speaker 2: here's the cool thing is that we're going to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about not just the fact that they're speakers,
Speaker 2: but if you want to be a speaker, what does
Speaker 2: it take to be a speaker? When do you get
Speaker 2: to call yourself a speaker? What's the process you go
Speaker 2: through on that? And even if you are a speaker,
Speaker 2: when you go to different stages and bigger stages, what
Speaker 2: does that look like? What does that feel like? We're
Speaker 2: kind of digging in because these ladies have done it all.
Speaker 2: They've done it all. So Kathy, Liz, welcome to Mission
Speaker 2: Accepted podcast yet again. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3: I was excited to be here again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Well, Liz, let's interest let me, let me,
Speaker 2: let you introduce yourself to our audience, and what do
Speaker 2: you speak on? What do you got Gona?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So yeah, So, as Debsa said, I'm this hoy and
Speaker 4: basically I'm kind of everything and anything to do with
Speaker 4: with coercive control and also the voice of the child.
Speaker 4: Having come from a coercive control and relationship that kind
Speaker 4: of nearly spanned twenty years, it was it was really
Speaker 4: important to me that this was the message that I
Speaker 4: kind of found my purpose in because I wanted to
Speaker 4: reach out and support children and young people in terms
Speaker 4: of the complexities of coercive control and its nuanced natures.
Speaker 4: So it was about kind of doing everything that I
Speaker 4: do around that in order to make the biggest impact
Speaker 4: that I could.
Speaker 2: Right on, right on, Well, welcome to the show, and
Speaker 2: miss Kathy Hole, what about yourself?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm here in the United States, list is in
Speaker 3: the UK, and I'm in New York and Connecticut, and
Speaker 3: I speak on anything to do really with women's leadership,
Speaker 3: women's equality, women's rights. For decades now, I have been
Speaker 3: focused and my passion is women as leaders and I
Speaker 3: think we just need more women. And so any place
Speaker 3: I get an opportunity to speak. I promote women as leaders. Well,
Speaker 3: I was going to.
Speaker 2: Ask you, ladies, what made you decide to be speakers?
Speaker 2: But I think with what you just both shared, obviously
Speaker 2: it's assisting women to step up, right, And it's assisting women.
Speaker 2: And what I was just saying earlier this is like
Speaker 2: women hear me, roar the woman who or a speaker
Speaker 2: your show? But Kathy, for you, what was it that
Speaker 2: made you decide to be a speaker? Because, like I
Speaker 2: shared a little bit in the intro, sometimes people are
Speaker 2: speaking don't know it. Sometimes people get a book and
Speaker 2: then they have to brave up and go speak about it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they speak because they feel like they're the one
Speaker 2: pushed a voice, do you know what I mean? And
Speaker 2: all the things, and some people are just born speakers.
Speaker 2: They're like I want to go all the way and
Speaker 2: I want the big stage. So for you, what was
Speaker 2: it that made you decide that you know you were
Speaker 2: going to speak?
Speaker 3: I think it's happened. And I don't usually like to
Speaker 3: use this word because it's so overused, but it really
Speaker 3: was organically.
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 3: I mean, when I say say, oh, I need to
Speaker 3: say something, everybody goes, oh, Kathy again, you know, because
Speaker 3: I've just always been that kind of person that if
Speaker 3: I had an idea, I was I was encouraged at
Speaker 3: home to talk about it, not in any kind of
Speaker 3: way of being aggressive, just sharing ideas. And that's what
Speaker 3: I grew up with, and so very early on in
Speaker 3: my in my like twenties, I was involved in different things,
Speaker 3: and I would just I was willing to say something,
Speaker 3: you know, I just and that's why I think what
Speaker 3: goes to what you're saying. I didn't. I wasn't on
Speaker 3: a stage. We didn't have zoom back then. You know,
Speaker 3: it was just in a group I had, you know,
Speaker 3: I had an idea, I would talk about it. I
Speaker 3: would encourage other I'd ask other people. I'm always curious,
Speaker 3: and I'd ask other people, what do you think? And
Speaker 3: started speaking, and you know, then people started they kind
Speaker 3: of start recognizing you for being willing to speak, because
Speaker 3: so many people kind of ship you know, they go, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I don't want to share. I'm afraid to share my ideas,
Speaker 3: And so I did, and I started getting recognized and
Speaker 3: people started asking me to to speak in more formality situations.
Speaker 2: I think that's great because that look I know you
Speaker 2: said the word organically, but truly knowing you and knowing
Speaker 2: that experience is that many times that's what happens. And
Speaker 2: then I love it because I always say kind of
Speaker 2: the inbound becomes the outbound and vice versa. If you
Speaker 2: start doing something, people will start recognizing you for it,
Speaker 2: and then they'll start to ask you for it, and
Speaker 2: it can just be one of those some people would
Speaker 2: say an accidental speaker, or an accidental coach, or an
Speaker 2: accidental you know, hey, can you please bake that cake?
Speaker 2: That you're an accidental big bakery owner, right because you're
Speaker 2: already have curated the skill. And Liz, what about for yourself?
Speaker 2: What it was that decision around speaking?
Speaker 4: And Yeah, So for me, it was I kind of
Speaker 4: wanted to get the message out there in terms of
Speaker 4: I wanted to kind of move away from the violent
Speaker 4: incident model when we kind of associate that with abuse,
Speaker 4: and I kind of, you know, from my own personal experience,
Speaker 4: I wanted to kind of change that narrative and sort
Speaker 4: of shift the paradigm from that understanding that you know,
Speaker 4: abuse is just physical. And I think from then it
Speaker 4: was just you know, wanting to make sure that as
Speaker 4: many people knew about that as possible because it was
Speaker 4: always something that I struggled with as I was growing up.
Speaker 4: That was my perception growing up about abuse, you know,
Speaker 4: if it has to be something physical, and I think
Speaker 4: actually we capture so much more when we do move
Speaker 4: away from that violent incident of model. We become more empathetic,
Speaker 4: we become more understanding of people's lived experiences. So I
Speaker 4: kind of wanted to make sure that that was where
Speaker 4: my voice went, and the rest of it just kind
Speaker 4: of came quite sort of naturally really in terms of
Speaker 4: it was like that purpose behind it, that sort of fire,
Speaker 4: because the more we speak, the more other people can learn,
Speaker 4: and the more actually we then realize how many other
Speaker 4: people are going through that same thing. So that was
Speaker 4: kind of the motivation to keep to going.
Speaker 2: Right. So I'm going to ask you because both of
Speaker 2: you have been on stage, and both you've had that
Speaker 2: experience where I think you've had that ooh I'm on
Speaker 2: that stage. Ooh, I'm speaking in front of these people.
Speaker 2: What do you do? Kathy? I'll start with you, what
Speaker 2: do you do? Even for myself, I'll be completely transparent
Speaker 2: when I speak. There is a little process that I
Speaker 2: go through right. For me, I do a little meditation.
Speaker 2: Please let me speak what I'm so someone's got to
Speaker 2: hear something and just use me if you need to
Speaker 2: for that. I also go aside and do some breathing,
Speaker 2: listen to music. There's things that I do depending when
Speaker 2: I'm speaking, where I'm speaking, and who I'm speaking to,
Speaker 2: because and I feel I do have pre speaking. I
Speaker 2: guess people call them jitters or nerves or excitement. You know.
Speaker 2: Simon Sinek would say, it's not anxiety, it's excitement.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I do have some of that, and there's things that
Speaker 2: I do to maneuver for that for myself. Kathy, what
Speaker 2: about for you? You've been nervous to get on a stage,
Speaker 2: and if so, what have you done? Oh?
Speaker 3: Absolutely I have. Yes, I get very nervous, and I
Speaker 3: do some of the things you talked about, some some
Speaker 3: deep breathing. And I think part of it, though, is
Speaker 3: I feel I always want I'm one of those that
Speaker 3: prepares to the you know, I want to make sure
Speaker 3: I know what I'm saying. I have been. I have
Speaker 3: spoken on UH stages in the UN and with world
Speaker 3: leaders and talk about the first time I did that.
Speaker 3: I you know, I had to go and change my
Speaker 3: shirt afterwards because I was so you know, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about, you know, the jitters and the
Speaker 3: nervousness and everything else. But I also imagine they're people.
Speaker 3: They're just people. I worked in politics for many years,
Speaker 3: and you know Anne Richards, who was very famous in
Speaker 3: Texas and also in the US for her leadership in
Speaker 3: women's rights, and it was a governor of Texas.
Speaker 2: She was.
Speaker 3: Once I was in a small group with her, and
Speaker 3: she says, just remember these, especially the men, because I
Speaker 3: had a thing with talking to men. I mean women
Speaker 3: I could talk to because I talked to all the time.
Speaker 3: But when I was in a front of a formal
Speaker 3: group of men, she said, they put their pants on
Speaker 3: one leg at a time, like everybody else. And I
Speaker 3: was like, okay, okay, I could see that. So it's just,
Speaker 3: you know, some of the mental games you have to
Speaker 3: go through. But I also do a lot of deep breathing.
Speaker 3: I do centering. I imagine the scene, I imagine what's
Speaker 3: going to happen, and you know, and then I just
Speaker 3: put myself in it and almost kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: release myself into it.
Speaker 2: Very cool, And let's what about yourself. I mean you're
Speaker 2: talking about a pretty dynamic topic, right, I mean both
Speaker 2: of you do. Right, I've seen you speak and it's dynamic.
Speaker 2: So what about for yourself?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think for me, you know, kind of off
Speaker 4: the back of what Cafe's saying, I really do try
Speaker 4: to make sure that I'm prepared, and I would say
Speaker 4: that I try and get a good night's sleep beforehand,
Speaker 4: but that just doesn't happen, probably for at least five
Speaker 4: six days before I know something's coming up. Yeah, sleep
Speaker 4: is very limited, but yeah, it's just about you know,
Speaker 4: for me, I do have visualizations of of how I
Speaker 4: want it to go, and really in those times when
Speaker 4: I am kind of struggling to sleep, those are the
Speaker 4: things that I just keep going round and round and
Speaker 4: round in my head. And so when I kind of
Speaker 4: come to the event, it's very much like, Okay, do
Speaker 4: you know what, I've kind of already done this. It's
Speaker 4: already done. That's my thing. And also, if I'm depending
Speaker 4: on the size of the audience, I just always say
Speaker 4: to myself, I'm just speaking to one person. I'm just
Speaker 4: speaking to one person, because actually, even if I'm speaking
Speaker 4: to a thousand people, you know, the value and that
Speaker 4: kind of alignment that I have with it is not
Speaker 4: going to change. So I always just bear that in mind,
Speaker 4: and actually it makes it a lot easier for me
Speaker 4: to kind of get through the get through the speaking
Speaker 4: when I can just kind of in my head visualize
Speaker 4: it's just that one person, but equally know the value
Speaker 4: is just the same depending on how many people there are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I so love that. First of all, you guys
Speaker 2: both talked about preparing and even stuff that I can
Speaker 2: teach off you know, someone through me on stage in
Speaker 2: five minutes. I could say it because I've said it
Speaker 2: so many times. I still go through it. I still
Speaker 2: go through it. And I love when you talk when
Speaker 2: you say about talking to one person, because that's kind
Speaker 2: of the thing, like, I know someone needs to hear
Speaker 2: what I have to say, and so it's not like
Speaker 2: no one else's opinion matters. But I take the you know,
Speaker 2: that elevated pressure off, particularly when you're speaking on stage
Speaker 2: on large on large stages, right on large stages. Some
Speaker 2: of the things that I know that people do that
Speaker 2: I think is interesting for the audience to know, and
Speaker 2: maybe Leaves have done this as well. Now, I personally
Speaker 2: love to get interviewed. It's not always because I'm nervous.
Speaker 2: I just love that conversational particularly if I'm part of
Speaker 2: a bigger project. I love that conversational piece because it
Speaker 2: also allows for a bit of prompt and creativity. So
Speaker 2: I'm not so scripted. But that's something that I know
Speaker 2: when we have women come on to particularly the two
Speaker 2: sixty two, and not everybody is a speaker, but people
Speaker 2: want to speak because they have something to say. Being
Speaker 2: interviewed is super helpful and having those questions that you
Speaker 2: can give to the intervieweed, So okay, now you speak,
Speaker 2: You speak about things around your business. Right, you think
Speaker 2: you both are authors, So tell us some of the
Speaker 2: things when you're speaking. After the after speaking piece, I
Speaker 2: know that I just wanted to kind of throw this
Speaker 2: in a little bit because people speak, and we want
Speaker 2: to get a message across. Is there anything that you
Speaker 2: do after for yourself? Is there anything around self care?
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you do while you're speaking or
Speaker 2: after you're speaking to help make your impact longer? It
Speaker 2: could be anything from sending an email to meditating, to
Speaker 2: contacting people to reviewing what it is that just happened,
Speaker 2: And would you do it differently? Like, what's some of
Speaker 2: your after because I don't think people talk enough about
Speaker 2: the after show the after show, and I think that's important,
Speaker 2: particularly if you're speaking about something in relationship to business,
Speaker 2: which both of you ladies are, So Liz, can I
Speaker 2: start with you on that line, what's your after speaking?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So for me, I usually kind of if there's if
Speaker 4: there's feedback that was that was given from it, I
Speaker 4: kind of I don't necessarily read that or kind of
Speaker 4: take that on straight away. I just kind of go
Speaker 4: go into myself really and just kind of in my
Speaker 4: head just say, you know, well done, well done this,
Speaker 4: because obviously I know how I felt before before actually
Speaker 4: doing it, and so do you know what it is saying?
Speaker 4: I am actually really proud of myself for doing it.
Speaker 4: I do evaluate it, so I'm like, Okay, maybe next
Speaker 4: time I could have you know, focused on that point
Speaker 4: a little bit more, or you know, maybe I could
Speaker 4: have given a bit more extra information on that. You know,
Speaker 4: maybe I could have you know, looked at the audience
Speaker 4: a little bit more. But these are never things in
Speaker 4: terms of like criticizing myself. I see everything in life
Speaker 4: as a learning experience. It's either going to give you
Speaker 4: more confusion or more clarity. So I always kind of
Speaker 4: push towards the clarity side of the speaking events that
Speaker 4: I do. And then it's just I always make sure
Speaker 4: that I celebrate it. I think sometimes we can be
Speaker 4: so kind of involved with the you know, Okay, I've
Speaker 4: done this, what's the next thing to do? But actually
Speaker 4: it's about appreciating it, going Actually, do you know what,
Speaker 4: I'm really toughed with myself that I've done this. I
Speaker 4: Am going to have a little bit of a celebration
Speaker 4: and actually, how has this speaking event given me more
Speaker 4: clarity in terms of the next one that I'm going
Speaker 4: to go into.
Speaker 2: That's that's beautiful seller for you. All right, Kathy, what
Speaker 2: about yourself?
Speaker 3: Your Yes, I'll have to echo a lot of what
Speaker 3: Liz said, because I I think we have to celebrate.
Speaker 3: I'm not great at it. I'm usually the one of
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I use my analog brain probably more
Speaker 3: than I do my creative sometimes, and that brain can
Speaker 3: really drive me nuts because it, you know, it thinks
Speaker 3: about all the things I could have done differently or
Speaker 3: said better or But then I have to calm that
Speaker 3: and say I did well, I got a message across.
Speaker 3: I know my subject, and I also feed on the
Speaker 3: energy of speaking. I really I think I need to
Speaker 3: say that because there's always a give and take of
Speaker 3: the energy. It's not just me up there talking. And
Speaker 3: I really got that when I was a university professor
Speaker 3: teaching women in gender studies. I really learned that that
Speaker 3: that that exchange of energy, and so I I go
Speaker 3: back to that and I celebrate and I revel in
Speaker 3: that a little bit and that you know that I
Speaker 3: also got something out of it, very profound. And then
Speaker 3: often if it's a really difficult, big audience or something
Speaker 3: I'm not used to, I'll have a glass of wine.
Speaker 3: Are two sixty two wine?
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go. I've seen some social
Speaker 2: media with the little margharita. Yeah wine, but but.
Speaker 3: I'm really liking the two sixty two wine. So that's
Speaker 3: the way, you know, just a little glass to that
Speaker 3: to kind.
Speaker 2: Of I know it's been really good. Okay, ladies, let's
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about why we speak in relationship
Speaker 2: to making impact. So there hasn't been a speaker that
Speaker 2: I've come across that hasn't said, you know, if I
Speaker 2: just reach one person or I know the impact you know,
Speaker 2: the impact of what we're doing can override those nerves
Speaker 2: of keep going or when you start to go on
Speaker 2: bigger stages or larger stages, and sometimes I say to people,
Speaker 2: bigger stages don't necessarily mean more numbers. Sometimes, like you
Speaker 2: just shared, Kathy, it's a collective of people that you
Speaker 2: look up to, your peers or what have you. So,
Speaker 2: do you have a story or do you have an
Speaker 2: experience that was like, oh man, it's worth it. It
Speaker 2: could be a self story or it could be something
Speaker 2: where someone walked up to you and said, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: like I just I shared, I just came back from
Speaker 2: Ireland and we had you know, two sixty two event
Speaker 2: and if you've ever been to one live you'll see
Speaker 2: that we do live ask parties. Actually ladies have both
Speaker 2: seen that. And there was a woman who I asked,
Speaker 2: so I said, hey, you know, what's your ask? And
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm not an entrepreneur. I don't do any
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you guys are doing. I've never
Speaker 2: been in a room like this before, I've never felt
Speaker 2: like this before. She's like, this changed my life. I
Speaker 2: was like every speaker in that room was like, you know,
Speaker 2: right on. She's like, it just changed my life. She'd
Speaker 2: never experienced being in a room full of people asking
Speaker 2: for what they wanted and women, and she's like she
Speaker 2: was almost bizarre. So it was it was worth it,
Speaker 2: like that whole like, oh, I'm not tired. The fight,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of goes away right last of you
Speaker 2: ever had an experience that, you know, you were like, wow,
Speaker 2: this is this is super cool. And again, share with their,
Speaker 2: share with us what it is that you speak on,
Speaker 2: just so people can be calm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So, I mean there's been you know, there's been times
Speaker 4: where you know, I've been I've been invited to to
Speaker 4: speak at a school and I hadn't expected that that
Speaker 4: was going to be the case, and I've kind of
Speaker 4: you know, gone in there sort of not it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't planned or anything.
Speaker 4: So this was massive for me because it was literally
Speaker 4: stepping out of my comfort zone considering I planned things
Speaker 4: so much. And so I think that it was it
Speaker 4: was It was nice because I think that even before
Speaker 4: them knowing me, they kind of invited me and kind
Speaker 4: of had that trust that, you know, that I would
Speaker 4: be a good fit to to speak to young people.
Speaker 4: And while I was really nervous, and I think the
Speaker 4: old list would have gone, no, do you know what, Sorry,
Speaker 4: I can't make it. It's just too short notice. I literally
Speaker 4: just said, do you know what I'm going? And I went,
Speaker 4: And actually it was one of the most wonderfulest things
Speaker 4: because actually it taught me a lot about myself that actually,
Speaker 4: when I need to speak and when I need to
Speaker 4: bring things or bring something out of the bag in
Speaker 4: terms of sharing knowledge and helping young people to be
Speaker 4: more aware of coercive control, I am actually able to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 2: So not only was.
Speaker 4: It you know, that kind of oh, I can't believe
Speaker 4: you're asking me, how lovely, it was also actually, do
Speaker 4: you know what this? You can do this under pressure
Speaker 4: and like you were saying, Kathy hot and sweating and
Speaker 4: all the other stuff that kind of goes with that
Speaker 4: sort of unexpected you know, kind of not knowing what's happening.
Speaker 4: So it is kind of just for me, you know,
Speaker 4: as a reflection on that. It's having that faith, isn't it.
Speaker 4: And it's kind of having that confidence in yourself because actually,
Speaker 4: you know, everything is always something that we can learn
Speaker 4: from it. So it's about taking these these opportunities and
Speaker 4: almost surprising yourself within them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ah, that's brilliant, and Kathy, what about yourself something
Speaker 2: that just like wow.
Speaker 3: I guess part of it is several times where I've
Speaker 3: had I have had an impact where somebody afterwards has
Speaker 3: actually sought me out, because you know, in my book
Speaker 3: and am I talking, I really think that I really
Speaker 3: emphasize how we have to do some self reflection to
Speaker 3: be leaders, to be just whole really and you know,
Speaker 3: and taking the time to getting to know ourselves and
Speaker 3: our passions and our values that women don't always take
Speaker 3: the time to do because sometimes it's labeled as selfish
Speaker 3: or sometimes you know, they're just juggling too many other
Speaker 3: things in life that they don't do that. And so
Speaker 3: I was speaking on that, and it was really a
Speaker 3: small part of what I was speaking on because I
Speaker 3: was speaking on other leadership traits and other things in leadership.
Speaker 3: And this woman came up to me afterwards, and she
Speaker 3: even had tears in her eyes, and I said, you know,
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear your story what's going on, because
Speaker 3: once again I'm curious, And she said, I have just
Speaker 3: never had somebody give me permission or tell me that
Speaker 3: I should be doing this because it's part of and
Speaker 3: I say it's part of your mental wellness. It's part
Speaker 3: of you know your self, care to know who you are,
Speaker 3: and because you can't lead in your own life if
Speaker 3: you don't know who you are and what you believe
Speaker 3: and what your values are. So I get a little
Speaker 3: bit of chills on that because you know, it still
Speaker 3: marked me so that I could have a kind that
Speaker 3: kind of an effect on somebody when I'm just thinking
Speaker 3: I'm talking about leadership and oh, well, you know and
Speaker 3: this is that you know, to have it really touch
Speaker 3: somebody in their heart that that was very precious for me.
Speaker 2: Wow. So look, we talk at mission accepted a lot
Speaker 2: about talk performance. You probably both know that my audience
Speaker 2: definitely does. Look, these ladies, you both have coaching programs,
Speaker 2: you both have incredible books on the market. You both
Speaker 2: speak and get hired to speak, and so world listen
Speaker 2: to that and do exactly all those things. But what
Speaker 2: are some of the things. Because there are people that
Speaker 2: want to speak, that have products, that want to be
Speaker 2: continued to ask to be you know, share in other places.
Speaker 2: They want to be a speaker for hire or get
Speaker 2: on better stages, which means people need to see them, right,
Speaker 2: because people, you know, that's that's that whole vetting process.
Speaker 2: What's something I call it a top performance, you might
Speaker 2: call it something else. What's something that you do in
Speaker 2: your business as a speaker that has been successful for
Speaker 2: you in being able to get more business through speaking
Speaker 2: more business or that impact someone saw you you spoke
Speaker 2: somewhere else, Like, is there something that you do or
Speaker 2: maybe you just hit the stage and that's it, that's
Speaker 2: all your phone's ringing. But is there something that you
Speaker 2: do as a speaker in your business that's been helpful? Kathy,
Speaker 2: I'll start with you.
Speaker 3: I think a good part of it and you mentioned
Speaker 3: it kind of briefly earlier. Is the follow up? It's
Speaker 3: really the follow up the networking. It's it is work.
Speaker 3: It's not you know I unless you're I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know Meryl Streep or somebody who's famous that gets
Speaker 3: asked to speak all the time. She's a big women's
Speaker 3: rights person, so that's why she came to my mind.
Speaker 3: Or Glorious Gloria Steinem who is our girl crush, right
Speaker 3: dev we uh, you have to do the work of networking,
Speaker 3: reaching out and also creating some synergies of how can
Speaker 3: you help somebody else that's also you know, looking for
Speaker 3: speaking or looking for opportunities, you know, make connections with
Speaker 3: some people that you know that are that are actually
Speaker 3: doing that or looking for people to speak. And you know,
Speaker 3: there's a whole community out there, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: there's websites that you can get on, there's you know,
Speaker 3: different webinars you can get on just to network, because
Speaker 3: I think that relationship building is so important. So that
Speaker 3: you know, because there's probably hundreds thousands of experts on
Speaker 3: women's leadership in the world right now, but if they
Speaker 3: know me and they know I can deliver and that
Speaker 3: I know my stuff, I've come prepared, I'm willing to
Speaker 3: share opportunities with them, then they're more likely to say, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll call Kathy instead of somebody else.
Speaker 2: I think you made an excellent point on all counts.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that I love that you
Speaker 2: said is that there's many people in that space. And
Speaker 2: I think the beautiful thing about speaking is that you know,
Speaker 2: from a marketing standpoint or a media standpoint, you're always
Speaker 2: looking for that differentiator. But the beautiful thing about you
Speaker 2: being the ones speaking is you are the differentiator. It's
Speaker 2: not something where you have to go, Gee, how am
Speaker 2: I going to make this different? I mean, because if
Speaker 2: you make it your own. Because we all come from
Speaker 2: maybe the same place or maybe the same topic, but
Speaker 2: we come from a different place.
Speaker 3: Right, Just to add to that, we are the experts
Speaker 3: of our lived experiences. Nobody we are unique because nobody
Speaker 3: has the same experiences we have, so our perspective comes
Speaker 3: from a different place. And every in my mind, every
Speaker 3: perspective is so important because it's something I might not
Speaker 3: have experienced or thought of, and I need to learn
Speaker 3: from it.
Speaker 2: I'm going to stay with you for a minute and
Speaker 2: then ask because I get asked this question a lot,
Speaker 2: and because I'm on the other side and provide speaking,
Speaker 2: I still am a speaker, but most people don't really
Speaker 2: see that. They just see this side of it. But
Speaker 2: so when they ask me this question, for me, it's
Speaker 2: an astounding yes. Right, But for you have you because
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's not an easy transaction. Marketing media,
Speaker 2: putting an ad, all these things don't necessarily ROI in
Speaker 2: the moment. You also have people that go, oh, I
Speaker 2: want to be a speaker and I want to get
Speaker 2: paid for it. Who don't have a speaking history yet. Right,
Speaker 2: Sometimes there's some fantasy around that it's me Tony Robbins
Speaker 2: fantasy I call you know. So for you, has it
Speaker 2: been worth it from a business standpoint.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely absolutely, because it gives you. I just think
Speaker 3: it gives you a connection and relationship with so many
Speaker 3: different people that that are going to want to you know,
Speaker 3: some people say, okay, fine, that was great, you know,
Speaker 3: thank you by but there are other people that want
Speaker 3: to learn more or want to be involved in my
Speaker 3: courses or even just buy my book or hear more
Speaker 3: from me from me, do some one on one. So
Speaker 3: from a business point of view, I think it's it
Speaker 3: is a great marketing tool. But as you said, you
Speaker 3: just don't step into it. You have you know, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know, you have to. I
Speaker 3: still do a lot of speaking for free because I
Speaker 3: have to. I have to measure what's the group who
Speaker 3: am I talking to? You know, is there some relationship
Speaker 3: I can build from that and some connection I can
Speaker 3: make and you know, but that's part of the business model.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you. Le's same questions for yourself.
Speaker 2: What you know, basically, has it been worth it, and
Speaker 2: then some of the things that you do to help
Speaker 2: make it, you know, yield, you know, because it is time,
Speaker 2: it is energy, it is expertise. We're putting ourselves out
Speaker 2: there where you have felt that it is worth it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's very similar to what Cafe's saying
Speaker 4: in terms of you know that networking is so important
Speaker 4: because I think what kind of happens with networking? You
Speaker 4: can then you meet these people, but then actually, who
Speaker 4: are those people that you can actually collaborate with and
Speaker 4: make things happen? Who are those people who are actually
Speaker 4: aligned with your purpose? And I think that that then
Speaker 4: kind of branches out and gives another kind of sort
Speaker 4: of separate entity towards towards your business, because not only
Speaker 4: are you networking, Okay, this person, this person, this person,
Speaker 4: I can now collaborate with this person, makes thing happen,
Speaker 4: use different parts of our business, come up with different
Speaker 4: ideas and to be able to do that, but also
Speaker 4: it's bringing other people along with you as well, So
Speaker 4: you know, you can use different people from the networking
Speaker 4: who is not necessarily aligned with your purpose, but sometimes
Speaker 4: this person knows this person and actually I know that person,
Speaker 4: and that can help you. And I'm a strong believer
Speaker 4: in you know, what you put out comes back, and
Speaker 4: it's about what can we do that kind of that
Speaker 4: higher level of consciousness, what can we do to kind
Speaker 4: of help and support and bring other people up? And
Speaker 4: I think that those things are the things that will
Speaker 4: always come back to your business. And once it comes
Speaker 4: from a place of alignment and that kind of purpose,
Speaker 4: it's always going to come back to you. So I
Speaker 4: think those are the really important things to embrace in
Speaker 4: terms of, you know, positive things to do for the business,
Speaker 4: and it makes it very very worth it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely very good, very good ladies. I know we're coming
Speaker 2: close to time, so I'm going to ask you this
Speaker 2: completely different question. You probably know what it is. You
Speaker 2: probably know that I'm going to ask you something about music. Now, Look,
Speaker 2: I you know you've been on my show enough to
Speaker 2: know that I asked you know, if you're on your
Speaker 2: way to a desert island and you have one suitcase,
Speaker 2: and you only have one suit like, you only have
Speaker 2: room for one album, you know which album would it
Speaker 2: be that you couldn't imagine not ever listening to. So
Speaker 2: that's the question that I'm going to ask you. If
Speaker 2: you've given me an answer to that before you got
Speaker 2: to give a different one. So Liz, I'm going to
Speaker 2: start with you, like, what could you imagine? Now? Look
Speaker 2: at I've just come back from the Rock and Roll
Speaker 2: Museum and in Ireland, and I'm like, you know all,
Speaker 2: I'm all about it. I'm all about it. But you know,
Speaker 2: I couldn't even answer my own questions, so I don't
Speaker 2: have to, huh. But so right now in this moment,
Speaker 2: you know, if you were taking an album with you
Speaker 2: or something that you've always leaned into, what would that be?
Speaker 4: I think it would have to be Pink Think. It
Speaker 4: was probably one of her first albums and it was
Speaker 4: called Can't Take Me Home? And I just love every
Speaker 4: single every single track on there, and I just yeah,
Speaker 4: and I still listen to it to this day, and
Speaker 4: so yeah, that would be my go to for sure.
Speaker 2: All Right, So next time you're on stage and coming out,
Speaker 2: it's going to be some pain and Kathy, what about you?
Speaker 3: Well, since I just went to a Beyonce concert last
Speaker 3: night outside of New York City, I would have to
Speaker 3: have to say that her Cowboy Carter album right now,
Speaker 3: because it's in my head. I can't stop listening to it.
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, driving back from the city to Connecticut
Speaker 3: with my daughter, we had it on Spotify, so, you know,
Speaker 3: just trying to kind of relive the experience because it
Speaker 3: was so electrifying. So you know, it might be different
Speaker 3: next week or even tomorrow, but right now, in this moment,
Speaker 3: it's Beyonce. Oh go.
Speaker 2: That's so amazing, ladies. Because there's listeners as well as viewers.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask Liz please tell people, and it's
Speaker 2: going to be in the show notes. People know it's
Speaker 2: going to be in the show notes. But where can
Speaker 2: people find you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So my I'll just give my website because it's got
Speaker 4: literally everything on their email everything. It's www dot lisshot
Speaker 4: dot com. And yeah, so you can book in my
Speaker 4: booking through my calendarly sit up a for free sort
Speaker 4: of fifteen fifteen minute kind of zoom and yeah, anything
Speaker 4: else on the website. In terms of education young people,
Speaker 4: coercive control curriculum that's available as well, just to have
Speaker 4: a little looking please, Yeah, I do reach out if
Speaker 4: you need Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lovely absolutely, and Kathy, what about.
Speaker 3: You for me is Wwwkathycault dot com. So and yes,
Speaker 3: I would love to you know, have a fifteen minute
Speaker 3: conversation with anybody who's listening and just see where where
Speaker 3: are you in your leadership journey? What do you think
Speaker 3: your strengths are. Just let's talk about it and you
Speaker 3: can go to my website and connect with me that way.
Speaker 2: Awesome. I think we'd all should do like a I
Speaker 2: think we should all do a woman hear me ror
Speaker 2: And now you know I'm sleepless, so I think we
Speaker 2: should do a woman hear me roor like Evan was like,
Speaker 2: I was looking at the three of us on the screen,
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's three different sectors here to that whole
Speaker 2: place right. Anyways, conversation for later. I'm listeners. You know,
Speaker 2: I always give you something to do. So go and
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Speaker 2: to sixty two. If you can't find them, just email me.
Speaker 2: I'll put you in touch with them. They're cool, their groovy,
Speaker 2: they're on the show if you want to be sitting
Speaker 2: where they are and you want to be you know,
Speaker 2: talking about your passion, talking about what you do. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: we are almost booked for this season, so you know,
Speaker 2: reach out right away, and of course we are going
Speaker 2: into the next season or the next half of this year.
Speaker 2: As far as all of you that have your planners
Speaker 2: and you're listening to those quotes now, look at we're
Speaker 2: putting out next year's So if you have a message
Speaker 2: again and you are more comfortable in print than on screen,
Speaker 2: because we haven't convinced you in this show yet that
Speaker 2: you need to be on screen, that's okay too. So
Speaker 2: we're happy to receive your quotes if you want to
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Speaker 2: putting it together right now so we can release it
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Speaker 2: you want to be heard, you know where to reach
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Speaker 2: Love you dearly. Thank you for both showing up, stay
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