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<v Speaker 1>Deborah, with her thirty years of being an ltrepreneur and

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<v Speaker 1>creating over seven companies, knows exactly what it means to

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<v Speaker 1>accept the mission. When you make that decision, when you

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<v Speaker 1>accept the mission to become a solopreneur, to take yourself

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<v Speaker 1>and your talents to market, then you embrace a life

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<v Speaker 1>of not only unlimited possibilities, but also the unknown. It's

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<v Speaker 1>an elixir of fear and bravery that only someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>taken the leap really understands. On our show, deb digs

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<v Speaker 1>deep with her guests to highlight what you the listener

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know, the stories, the whys, and the hows

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<v Speaker 1>to navigate the journey to success. Get ready to hear

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<v Speaker 1>from some of the most incredible mission takers from Generation

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<v Speaker 1>Z to boomers. So sit up, perk up, and get

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<v Speaker 1>ready to be blown away. Now Here is your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah Drummond, and welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>My absolute favorite five task listeners and viewers. And I

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<v Speaker 2>get to say that your vanting I did. I just

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<v Speaker 2>got back from Ireland. I'm sure that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you that are listening to this show are from Ireland

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<v Speaker 2>because we had such a great time there and it

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<v Speaker 2>was such a collective experience, and of course I was

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<v Speaker 2>there with a two sixty two book launch and lucky me,

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<v Speaker 2>I get off the plane and what do I get

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<v Speaker 2>to see? I get to see two more to sixty

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<v Speaker 2>two incredible speakers. So look, I always tell you listeners

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<v Speaker 2>and viewers what you are today, and I think you

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<v Speaker 2>are going to stand taller. You're going to stand taller

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<v Speaker 2>after you listen to this incredible show about speaking in

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<v Speaker 2>all its realms. Right, some of you would like I

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<v Speaker 2>would never want to speak, and some of you are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be surprised that you probably speak already. You

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<v Speaker 2>just do it at your job, and you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>part of what you do, and you call it teaching

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<v Speaker 2>or you call it coaching. But he put a little

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<v Speaker 2>stage underneath you and put a little zoom on you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're actually a speaker. So let's dig into that today,

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<v Speaker 2>going to dig into all its facets. I have with

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<v Speaker 2>me two incredible ladies that are going to be chatting

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<v Speaker 2>after this podcast because we had to interrupt them. They

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<v Speaker 2>were doing they were making so much friendship before we

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<v Speaker 2>started the show. But this is Liz Hoite. You may

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<v Speaker 2>have seen her speak if you were at the Ireland

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<v Speaker 2>event last year, she closed the show, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>Liz Hoite, and she's going to tell you a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about herself and her speaking. And then we have

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy Holt. If you haven't heard about Kathy Holt and

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<v Speaker 2>you've been hanging out with us, you haven't been hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with us, because this woman wrote the forward to

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<v Speaker 2>our book and she's been at the Emmys and the

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<v Speaker 2>Oscars and all the things. So you would have to

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<v Speaker 2>not know us at all to not know Kathy. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's the cool thing is that we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit about not just the fact that they're speakers,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you want to be a speaker, what does

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<v Speaker 2>it take to be a speaker? When do you get

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<v Speaker 2>to call yourself a speaker? What's the process you go

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<v Speaker 2>through on that? And even if you are a speaker,

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<v Speaker 2>when you go to different stages and bigger stages, what

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<v Speaker 2>does that look like? What does that feel like? We're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of digging in because these ladies have done it all.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done it all. So Kathy, Liz, welcome to Mission

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<v Speaker 2>Accepted podcast yet again. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was excited to be here again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, Well, Liz, let's interest let me, let me,

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<v Speaker 2>let you introduce yourself to our audience, and what do

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<v Speaker 2>you speak on? What do you got Gona?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, So, as Debsa said, I'm this hoy and

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<v Speaker 4>basically I'm kind of everything and anything to do with

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<v Speaker 4>with coercive control and also the voice of the child.

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<v Speaker 4>Having come from a coercive control and relationship that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of nearly spanned twenty years, it was it was really

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<v Speaker 4>important to me that this was the message that I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of found my purpose in because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>reach out and support children and young people in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of the complexities of coercive control and its nuanced natures.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was about kind of doing everything that I

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<v Speaker 2>Right on, right on, Well, welcome to the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>miss Kathy Hole, what about yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'm here in the United States, list is in

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<v Speaker 3>the UK, and I'm in New York and Connecticut, and

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<v Speaker 3>I speak on anything to do really with women's leadership,

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<v Speaker 3>women's equality, women's rights. For decades now, I have been

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<v Speaker 3>focused and my passion is women as leaders and I

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<v Speaker 3>think we just need more women. And so any place

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<v Speaker 3>I get an opportunity to speak. I promote women as leaders. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask you, ladies, what made you decide to be speakers?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think with what you just both shared, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it's assisting women to step up, right, And it's assisting women.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I was just saying earlier this is like

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<v Speaker 2>women hear me, roar the woman who or a speaker

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<v Speaker 2>your show? But Kathy, for you, what was it that

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<v Speaker 2>made you decide to be a speaker? Because, like I

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<v Speaker 2>shared a little bit in the intro, sometimes people are

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<v Speaker 2>speaking don't know it. Sometimes people get a book and

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<v Speaker 2>then they have to brave up and go speak about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they speak because they feel like they're the one

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<v Speaker 2>pushed a voice, do you know what I mean? And

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<v Speaker 2>all the things, and some people are just born speakers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like I want to go all the way and

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<v Speaker 2>I want the big stage. So for you, what was

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<v Speaker 2>it that made you decide that you know you were

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<v Speaker 2>going to speak?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's happened. And I don't usually like to

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<v Speaker 3>use this word because it's so overused, but it really

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<v Speaker 3>was organically.

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<v Speaker 1>I just.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, when I say say, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 3>say something, everybody goes, oh, Kathy again, you know, because

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<v Speaker 3>I've just always been that kind of person that if

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<v Speaker 3>I had an idea, I was I was encouraged at

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<v Speaker 3>home to talk about it, not in any kind of

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<v Speaker 3>way of being aggressive, just sharing ideas. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>I grew up with, and so very early on in

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<v Speaker 3>my in my like twenties, I was involved in different things,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would just I was willing to say something,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just and that's why I think what

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<v Speaker 3>goes to what you're saying. I didn't. I wasn't on

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<v Speaker 3>a stage. We didn't have zoom back then. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just in a group I had, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I had an idea, I would talk about it. I

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<v Speaker 3>would encourage other I'd ask other people. I'm always curious,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd ask other people, what do you think? And

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<v Speaker 3>started speaking, and you know, then people started they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of start recognizing you for being willing to speak, because

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<v Speaker 3>so many people kind of ship you know, they go, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I did, and I started getting recognized and

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<v Speaker 3>people started asking me to to speak in more formality situations.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's great because that look I know you

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<v Speaker 2>said the word organically, but truly knowing you and knowing

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<v Speaker 2>that experience is that many times that's what happens. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I love it because I always say kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the inbound becomes the outbound and vice versa. If you

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<v Speaker 2>start doing something, people will start recognizing you for it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they'll start to ask you for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>it can just be one of those some people would

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<v Speaker 2>say an accidental speaker, or an accidental coach, or an

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<v Speaker 2>accidental you know, hey, can you please bake that cake?

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<v Speaker 2>That you're an accidental big bakery owner, right because you're

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<v Speaker 2>already have curated the skill. And Liz, what about for yourself?

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<v Speaker 2>What it was that decision around speaking?

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<v Speaker 4>And Yeah, So for me, it was I kind of

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<v Speaker 4>wanted to get the message out there in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to kind of move away from the violent

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<v Speaker 4>incident model when we kind of associate that with abuse,

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<v Speaker 4>and I kind of, you know, from my own personal experience,

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to kind of change that narrative and sort

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<v Speaker 4>of shift the paradigm from that understanding that you know,

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<v Speaker 4>abuse is just physical. And I think from then it

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<v Speaker 4>was just you know, wanting to make sure that as

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<v Speaker 4>many people knew about that as possible because it was

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<v Speaker 4>always something that I struggled with as I was growing up.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my perception growing up about abuse, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if it has to be something physical, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>actually we capture so much more when we do move

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<v Speaker 4>away from that violent incident of model. We become more empathetic,

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<v Speaker 4>we become more understanding of people's lived experiences. So I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of wanted to make sure that that was where

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<v Speaker 4>my voice went, and the rest of it just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of came quite sort of naturally really in terms of

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<v Speaker 4>it was like that purpose behind it, that sort of fire,

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<v Speaker 4>because the more we speak, the more other people can learn,

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<v Speaker 4>and the more actually we then realize how many other

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<v Speaker 4>people are going through that same thing. So that was

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<v Speaker 4>kind of the motivation to keep to going.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So I'm going to ask you because both of

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<v Speaker 2>you have been on stage, and both you've had that

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<v Speaker 2>experience where I think you've had that ooh I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>that stage. Ooh, I'm speaking in front of these people.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do? Kathy? I'll start with you, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you do? Even for myself, I'll be completely transparent

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<v Speaker 2>when I speak. There is a little process that I

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<v Speaker 2>go through right. For me, I do a little meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>Please let me speak what I'm so someone's got to

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<v Speaker 2>hear something and just use me if you need to

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<v Speaker 2>for that. I also go aside and do some breathing,

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<v Speaker 2>listen to music. There's things that I do depending when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm speaking, where I'm speaking, and who I'm speaking to,

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<v Speaker 2>because and I feel I do have pre speaking. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess people call them jitters or nerves or excitement. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Simon Sinek would say, it's not anxiety, it's excitement.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have some of that, and there's things that

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<v Speaker 2>I do to maneuver for that for myself. Kathy, what

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<v Speaker 2>about for you? You've been nervous to get on a stage,

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<v Speaker 2>and if so, what have you done? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely I have. Yes, I get very nervous, and I

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<v Speaker 3>do some of the things you talked about, some some

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<v Speaker 3>deep breathing. And I think part of it, though, is

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<v Speaker 3>I feel I always want I'm one of those that

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<v Speaker 3>prepares to the you know, I want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>I know what I'm saying. I have been. I have

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<v Speaker 3>spoken on UH stages in the UN and with world

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<v Speaker 3>leaders and talk about the first time I did that.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I had to go and change my

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<v Speaker 3>shirt afterwards because I was so you know, you know

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm talking about, you know, the jitters and the

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<v Speaker 3>nervousness and everything else. But I also imagine they're people.

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<v Speaker 3>They're just people. I worked in politics for many years,

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<v Speaker 3>women's rights, and it was a governor of Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>Once I was in a small group with her, and

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<v Speaker 3>she says, just remember these, especially the men, because I

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<v Speaker 4>and actually it makes it a lot easier for me

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I so love that. First of all, you guys

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<v Speaker 2>so many times. I still go through it. I still

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<v Speaker 2>what I have to say, and so it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>no one else's opinion matters. But I take the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that elevated pressure off, particularly when you're speaking on stage

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<v Speaker 2>on large on large stages, right on large stages. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I know that people do that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Leaves have done this as well. Now, I personally

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<v Speaker 2>love to get interviewed. It's not always because I'm nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I just love that conversational particularly if I'm part of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not so scripted. But that's something that I know

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<v Speaker 2>when we have women come on to particularly the two

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two, and not everybody is a speaker, but people

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<v Speaker 2>want to speak because they have something to say. Being

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed is super helpful and having those questions that you

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<v Speaker 2>can give to the intervieweed, So okay, now you speak,

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<v Speaker 2>You speak about things around your business. Right, you think

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<v Speaker 2>you both are authors, So tell us some of the

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<v Speaker 2>things when you're speaking. After the after speaking piece, I

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<v Speaker 2>know that I just wanted to kind of throw this

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<v Speaker 2>in a little bit because people speak, and we want

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<v Speaker 2>to get a message across. Is there anything that you

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<v Speaker 2>do after for yourself? Is there anything around self care?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there anything that you do while you're speaking or

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<v Speaker 2>after you're speaking to help make your impact longer? It

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<v Speaker 2>could be anything from sending an email to meditating, to

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<v Speaker 2>contacting people to reviewing what it is that just happened,

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<v Speaker 2>And would you do it differently? Like, what's some of

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<v Speaker 2>your after because I don't think people talk enough about

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<v Speaker 2>the after show the after show, and I think that's important,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly if you're speaking about something in relationship to business,

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<v Speaker 2>which both of you ladies are, So Liz, can I

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<v Speaker 2>start with you on that line, what's your after speaking?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So for me, I usually kind of if there's if

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<v Speaker 4>there's feedback that was that was given from it, I

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<v Speaker 4>kind of I don't necessarily read that or kind of

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<v Speaker 4>take that on straight away. I just kind of go

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<v Speaker 4>go into myself really and just kind of in my

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<v Speaker 4>head just say, you know, well done, well done this,

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<v Speaker 4>because obviously I know how I felt before before actually

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<v Speaker 4>doing it, and so do you know what it is saying?

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<v Speaker 4>I am actually really proud of myself for doing it.

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<v Speaker 4>I do evaluate it, so I'm like, Okay, maybe next

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<v Speaker 4>time I could have you know, focused on that point

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more, or you know, maybe I could

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<v Speaker 4>have given a bit more extra information on that. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe I could have you know, looked at the audience

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more. But these are never things in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of like criticizing myself. I see everything in life

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<v Speaker 4>as a learning experience. It's either going to give you

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<v Speaker 4>more confusion or more clarity. So I always kind of

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<v Speaker 4>push towards the clarity side of the speaking events that

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<v Speaker 4>I do. And then it's just I always make sure

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<v Speaker 4>that I celebrate it. I think sometimes we can be

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<v Speaker 4>so kind of involved with the you know, Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 4>done this, what's the next thing to do? But actually

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<v Speaker 4>it's about appreciating it, going Actually, do you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really toughed with myself that I've done this. I

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<v Speaker 4>Am going to have a little bit of a celebration

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<v Speaker 4>and actually, how has this speaking event given me more

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<v Speaker 4>clarity in terms of the next one that I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to go into.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's beautiful seller for you. All right, Kathy, what

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Your Yes, I'll have to echo a lot of what

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<v Speaker 3>Liz said, because I I think we have to celebrate.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not great at it. I'm usually the one of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm I use my analog brain probably more

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<v Speaker 3>than I do my creative sometimes, and that brain can

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<v Speaker 3>really drive me nuts because it, you know, it thinks

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<v Speaker 3>about all the things I could have done differently or

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<v Speaker 3>said better or But then I have to calm that

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<v Speaker 3>and say I did well, I got a message across.

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<v Speaker 3>I know my subject, and I also feed on the

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<v Speaker 3>energy of speaking. I really I think I need to

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<v Speaker 3>say that because there's always a give and take of

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<v Speaker 3>the energy. It's not just me up there talking. And

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<v Speaker 3>I really got that when I was a university professor

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<v Speaker 3>teaching women in gender studies. I really learned that that

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<v Speaker 3>that that exchange of energy, and so I I go

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<v Speaker 3>back to that and I celebrate and I revel in

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<v Speaker 3>that a little bit and that you know that I

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<v Speaker 3>also got something out of it, very profound. And then

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<v Speaker 3>often if it's a really difficult, big audience or something

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not used to, I'll have a glass of wine.

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<v Speaker 3>Are two sixty two wine?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, There you go. I've seen some social

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<v Speaker 2>media with the little margharita. Yeah wine, but but.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really liking the two sixty two wine. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>the way, you know, just a little glass to that

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<v Speaker 3>to kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of I know it's been really good. Okay, ladies, let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little bit about why we speak in relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to making impact. So there hasn't been a speaker that

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<v Speaker 2>I've come across that hasn't said, you know, if I

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<v Speaker 2>just reach one person or I know the impact you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the impact of what we're doing can override those nerves

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<v Speaker 2>of keep going or when you start to go on

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<v Speaker 2>bigger stages or larger stages, and sometimes I say to people,

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<v Speaker 2>bigger stages don't necessarily mean more numbers. Sometimes, like you

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<v Speaker 2>just shared, Kathy, it's a collective of people that you

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<v Speaker 2>look up to, your peers or what have you. So,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have a story or do you have an

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<v Speaker 2>experience that was like, oh man, it's worth it. It

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<v Speaker 2>could be a self story or it could be something

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<v Speaker 2>where someone walked up to you and said, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>like I just I shared, I just came back from

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<v Speaker 2>Ireland and we had you know, two sixty two event

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<v Speaker 2>and if you've ever been to one live you'll see

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<v Speaker 2>that we do live ask parties. Actually ladies have both

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<v Speaker 2>seen that. And there was a woman who I asked,

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<v Speaker 2>so I said, hey, you know, what's your ask? And

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I'm not an entrepreneur. I don't do any

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that you guys are doing. I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been in a room like this before, I've never felt

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<v Speaker 2>like this before. She's like, this changed my life. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like every speaker in that room was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>right on. She's like, it just changed my life. She'd

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<v Speaker 2>never experienced being in a room full of people asking

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<v Speaker 2>for what they wanted and women, and she's like she

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<v Speaker 2>was almost bizarre. So it was it was worth it,

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<v Speaker 2>like that whole like, oh, I'm not tired. The fight,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of goes away right last of you

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<v Speaker 2>ever had an experience that, you know, you were like, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is super cool. And again, share with their,

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<v Speaker 2>share with us what it is that you speak on,

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<v Speaker 2>just so people can be calm.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I mean there's been you know, there's been times

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't planned or anything.

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<v Speaker 4>So this was massive for me because it was literally

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<v Speaker 4>stepping out of my comfort zone considering I planned things

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<v Speaker 4>so much. And so I think that it was it

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<v Speaker 4>of had that trust that, you know, that I would

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<v Speaker 4>be a good fit to to speak to young people.

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<v Speaker 4>And while I was really nervous, and I think the

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<v Speaker 4>old list would have gone, no, do you know what, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>I can't make it. It's just too short notice. I literally

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<v Speaker 4>just said, do you know what I'm going? And I went,

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<v Speaker 4>And actually it was one of the most wonderfulest things

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<v Speaker 4>when I need to speak and when I need to

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<v Speaker 4>terms of sharing knowledge and helping young people to be

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<v Speaker 4>more aware of coercive control, I am actually able to

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<v Speaker 2>So not only was.

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<v Speaker 4>It you know, that kind of oh, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 4>you're asking me, how lovely, it was also actually, do

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<v Speaker 4>you know what this? You can do this under pressure

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<v Speaker 4>and like you were saying, Kathy hot and sweating and

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<v Speaker 4>all the other stuff that kind of goes with that

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<v Speaker 4>So it is kind of just for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as a reflection on that. It's having that faith, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's kind of having that confidence in yourself because actually,

424
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<v Speaker 4>you know, everything is always something that we can learn

425
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<v Speaker 4>from it. So it's about taking these these opportunities and

426
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<v Speaker 4>almost surprising yourself within them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ah, that's brilliant, and Kathy, what about yourself something

428
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<v Speaker 2>that just like wow.

429
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<v Speaker 3>I guess part of it is several times where I've

430
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<v Speaker 3>had I have had an impact where somebody afterwards has

431
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<v Speaker 3>actually sought me out, because you know, in my book

432
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<v Speaker 3>and am I talking, I really think that I really

433
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<v Speaker 3>emphasize how we have to do some self reflection to

434
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<v Speaker 3>be leaders, to be just whole really and you know,

435
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<v Speaker 3>and taking the time to getting to know ourselves and

436
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<v Speaker 3>our passions and our values that women don't always take

437
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<v Speaker 3>the time to do because sometimes it's labeled as selfish

438
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<v Speaker 3>or sometimes you know, they're just juggling too many other

439
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<v Speaker 3>things in life that they don't do that. And so

440
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<v Speaker 3>I was speaking on that, and it was really a

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<v Speaker 3>small part of what I was speaking on because I

442
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<v Speaker 3>was speaking on other leadership traits and other things in leadership.

443
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<v Speaker 3>And this woman came up to me afterwards, and she

444
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<v Speaker 3>even had tears in her eyes, and I said, you know,

445
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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to hear your story what's going on, because

446
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<v Speaker 3>once again I'm curious, And she said, I have just

447
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<v Speaker 3>never had somebody give me permission or tell me that

448
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<v Speaker 3>I should be doing this because it's part of and

449
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<v Speaker 3>I say it's part of your mental wellness. It's part

450
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<v Speaker 3>of you know your self, care to know who you are,

451
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<v Speaker 3>and because you can't lead in your own life if

452
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<v Speaker 3>you don't know who you are and what you believe

453
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<v Speaker 3>and what your values are. So I get a little

454
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<v Speaker 3>bit of chills on that because you know, it still

455
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<v Speaker 3>marked me so that I could have a kind that

456
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<v Speaker 3>kind of an effect on somebody when I'm just thinking

457
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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about leadership and oh, well, you know and

458
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<v Speaker 3>this is that you know, to have it really touch

459
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<v Speaker 3>somebody in their heart that that was very precious for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. So look, we talk at mission accepted a lot

461
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<v Speaker 2>about talk performance. You probably both know that my audience

462
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<v Speaker 2>definitely does. Look, these ladies, you both have coaching programs,

463
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<v Speaker 2>you both have incredible books on the market. You both

464
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<v Speaker 2>speak and get hired to speak, and so world listen

465
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<v Speaker 2>to that and do exactly all those things. But what

466
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<v Speaker 2>are some of the things. Because there are people that

467
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<v Speaker 2>want to speak, that have products, that want to be

468
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<v Speaker 2>continued to ask to be you know, share in other places.

469
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<v Speaker 2>They want to be a speaker for hire or get

470
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<v Speaker 2>on better stages, which means people need to see them, right,

471
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<v Speaker 2>because people, you know, that's that's that whole vetting process.

472
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<v Speaker 2>What's something I call it a top performance, you might

473
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<v Speaker 2>call it something else. What's something that you do in

474
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<v Speaker 2>your business as a speaker that has been successful for

475
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<v Speaker 2>you in being able to get more business through speaking

476
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<v Speaker 2>more business or that impact someone saw you you spoke

477
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<v Speaker 2>somewhere else, Like, is there something that you do or

478
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<v Speaker 2>maybe you just hit the stage and that's it, that's

479
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<v Speaker 2>all your phone's ringing. But is there something that you

480
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<v Speaker 2>do as a speaker in your business that's been helpful? Kathy,

481
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<v Speaker 2>I'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think a good part of it and you mentioned

483
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<v Speaker 3>it kind of briefly earlier. Is the follow up? It's

484
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<v Speaker 3>really the follow up the networking. It's it is work.

485
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<v Speaker 3>It's not you know I unless you're I don't know.

486
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<v Speaker 3>You know Meryl Streep or somebody who's famous that gets

487
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<v Speaker 3>asked to speak all the time. She's a big women's

488
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<v Speaker 3>rights person, so that's why she came to my mind.

489
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<v Speaker 3>Or Glorious Gloria Steinem who is our girl crush, right

490
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<v Speaker 3>dev we uh, you have to do the work of networking,

491
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<v Speaker 3>reaching out and also creating some synergies of how can

492
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<v Speaker 3>you help somebody else that's also you know, looking for

493
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<v Speaker 3>speaking or looking for opportunities, you know, make connections with

494
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<v Speaker 3>some people that you know that are that are actually

495
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<v Speaker 3>doing that or looking for people to speak. And you know,

496
00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 3>there's a whole community out there, and you know, there's

497
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<v Speaker 3>there's websites that you can get on, there's you know,

498
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<v Speaker 3>different webinars you can get on just to network, because

499
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<v Speaker 3>I think that relationship building is so important. So that

500
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<v Speaker 3>you know, because there's probably hundreds thousands of experts on

501
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<v Speaker 3>women's leadership in the world right now, but if they

502
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<v Speaker 3>know me and they know I can deliver and that

503
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<v Speaker 3>I know my stuff, I've come prepared, I'm willing to

504
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<v Speaker 3>share opportunities with them, then they're more likely to say, oh,

505
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<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll call Kathy instead of somebody else.

506
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<v Speaker 2>I think you made an excellent point on all counts.

507
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<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that I love that you

508
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<v Speaker 2>said is that there's many people in that space. And

509
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<v Speaker 2>I think the beautiful thing about speaking is that you know,

510
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<v Speaker 2>from a marketing standpoint or a media standpoint, you're always

511
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<v Speaker 2>looking for that differentiator. But the beautiful thing about you

512
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<v Speaker 2>being the ones speaking is you are the differentiator. It's

513
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<v Speaker 2>not something where you have to go, Gee, how am

514
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<v Speaker 2>I going to make this different? I mean, because if

515
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<v Speaker 2>you make it your own. Because we all come from

516
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<v Speaker 2>maybe the same place or maybe the same topic, but

517
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<v Speaker 2>we come from a different place.

518
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<v Speaker 3>Right, Just to add to that, we are the experts

519
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<v Speaker 3>of our lived experiences. Nobody we are unique because nobody

520
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 3>has the same experiences we have, so our perspective comes

521
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:13.720
<v Speaker 3>from a different place. And every in my mind, every

522
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 3>perspective is so important because it's something I might not

523
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<v Speaker 3>have experienced or thought of, and I need to learn

524
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<v Speaker 3>from it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to stay with you for a minute and

526
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<v Speaker 2>then ask because I get asked this question a lot,

527
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<v Speaker 2>and because I'm on the other side and provide speaking,

528
00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:30.839
<v Speaker 2>I still am a speaker, but most people don't really

529
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<v Speaker 2>see that. They just see this side of it. But

530
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<v Speaker 2>so when they ask me this question, for me, it's

531
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<v Speaker 2>an astounding yes. Right, But for you have you because

532
00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:47.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times it's not an easy transaction. Marketing media,

533
00:27:47.839 --> 00:27:51.279
<v Speaker 2>putting an ad, all these things don't necessarily ROI in

534
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<v Speaker 2>the moment. You also have people that go, oh, I

535
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<v Speaker 2>want to be a speaker and I want to get

536
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<v Speaker 2>paid for it. Who don't have a speaking history yet. Right,

537
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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there's some fantasy around that it's me Tony Robbins

538
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>fantasy I call you know. So for you, has it

539
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<v Speaker 2>been worth it from a business standpoint.

540
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<v Speaker 3>Oh, absolutely absolutely, because it gives you. I just think

541
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<v Speaker 3>it gives you a connection and relationship with so many

542
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:21.279
<v Speaker 3>different people that that are going to want to you know,

543
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.599
<v Speaker 3>some people say, okay, fine, that was great, you know,

544
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.880
<v Speaker 3>thank you by but there are other people that want

545
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<v Speaker 3>to learn more or want to be involved in my

546
00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.440
<v Speaker 3>courses or even just buy my book or hear more

547
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.759
<v Speaker 3>from me from me, do some one on one. So

548
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.319
<v Speaker 3>from a business point of view, I think it's it

549
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:40.359
<v Speaker 3>is a great marketing tool. But as you said, you

550
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<v Speaker 3>just don't step into it. You have you know, there's

551
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of times, you know, you have to. I

552
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<v Speaker 3>still do a lot of speaking for free because I

553
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<v Speaker 3>have to. I have to measure what's the group who

554
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<v Speaker 3>am I talking to? You know, is there some relationship

555
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.240
<v Speaker 3>I can build from that and some connection I can

556
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 3>make and you know, but that's part of the business model.

557
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<v Speaker 3>I think.

558
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I'm with you. Le's same questions for yourself.

559
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<v Speaker 2>What you know, basically, has it been worth it, and

560
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<v Speaker 2>then some of the things that you do to help

561
00:29:16.759 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 2>make it, you know, yield, you know, because it is time,

562
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>it is energy, it is expertise. We're putting ourselves out

563
00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:26.119
<v Speaker 2>there where you have felt that it is worth it.

564
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean it's very similar to what Cafe's saying

565
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.079
<v Speaker 4>in terms of you know that networking is so important

566
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<v Speaker 4>because I think what kind of happens with networking? You

567
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.200
<v Speaker 4>can then you meet these people, but then actually, who

568
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 4>are those people that you can actually collaborate with and

569
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.359
<v Speaker 4>make things happen? Who are those people who are actually

570
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:46.319
<v Speaker 4>aligned with your purpose? And I think that that then

571
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 4>kind of branches out and gives another kind of sort

572
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:53.839
<v Speaker 4>of separate entity towards towards your business, because not only

573
00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 4>are you networking, Okay, this person, this person, this person,

574
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 4>I can now collaborate with this person, makes thing happen,

575
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.440
<v Speaker 4>use different parts of our business, come up with different

576
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:06.279
<v Speaker 4>ideas and to be able to do that, but also

577
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 4>it's bringing other people along with you as well, So

578
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, you can use different people from the networking

579
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.640
<v Speaker 4>who is not necessarily aligned with your purpose, but sometimes

580
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<v Speaker 4>this person knows this person and actually I know that person,

581
00:30:17.559 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 4>and that can help you. And I'm a strong believer

582
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<v Speaker 4>in you know, what you put out comes back, and

583
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.559
<v Speaker 4>it's about what can we do that kind of that

584
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<v Speaker 4>higher level of consciousness, what can we do to kind

585
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<v Speaker 4>of help and support and bring other people up? And

586
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<v Speaker 4>I think that those things are the things that will

587
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 4>always come back to your business. And once it comes

588
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:38.000
<v Speaker 4>from a place of alignment and that kind of purpose,

589
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 4>it's always going to come back to you. So I

590
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<v Speaker 4>think those are the really important things to embrace in

591
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<v Speaker 4>terms of, you know, positive things to do for the business,

592
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<v Speaker 4>and it makes it very very worth it.

593
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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely very good, very good ladies. I know we're coming

594
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<v Speaker 2>close to time, so I'm going to ask you this

595
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<v Speaker 2>completely different question. You probably know what it is. You

596
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:06.720
<v Speaker 2>probably know that I'm going to ask you something about music. Now, Look,

597
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I you know you've been on my show enough to

598
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 2>know that I asked you know, if you're on your

599
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<v Speaker 2>way to a desert island and you have one suitcase,

600
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>and you only have one suit like, you only have

601
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>room for one album, you know which album would it

602
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>be that you couldn't imagine not ever listening to. So

603
00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:28.880
<v Speaker 2>that's the question that I'm going to ask you. If

604
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<v Speaker 2>you've given me an answer to that before you got

605
00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 2>to give a different one. So Liz, I'm going to

606
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:36.680
<v Speaker 2>start with you, like, what could you imagine? Now? Look

607
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 2>at I've just come back from the Rock and Roll

608
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>Museum and in Ireland, and I'm like, you know all,

609
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm all about it. I'm all about it. But you know,

610
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't even answer my own questions, so I don't

611
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 2>have to, huh. But so right now in this moment,

612
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, if you were taking an album with you

613
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<v Speaker 2>or something that you've always leaned into, what would that be?

614
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<v Speaker 4>I think it would have to be Pink Think. It

615
00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 4>was probably one of her first albums and it was

616
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 4>called Can't Take Me Home? And I just love every

617
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.640
<v Speaker 4>single every single track on there, and I just yeah,

618
00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 4>and I still listen to it to this day, and

619
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<v Speaker 4>so yeah, that would be my go to for sure.

620
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<v Speaker 2>All Right, So next time you're on stage and coming out,

621
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be some pain and Kathy, what about you?

622
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<v Speaker 3>Well, since I just went to a Beyonce concert last

623
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<v Speaker 3>night outside of New York City, I would have to

624
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 3>have to say that her Cowboy Carter album right now,

625
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:34.279
<v Speaker 3>because it's in my head. I can't stop listening to it.

626
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Matter of fact, driving back from the city to Connecticut

627
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>with my daughter, we had it on Spotify, so, you know,

628
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.640
<v Speaker 3>just trying to kind of relive the experience because it

629
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 3>was so electrifying. So you know, it might be different

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<v Speaker 3>next week or even tomorrow, but right now, in this moment,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Beyonce. Oh go.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so amazing, ladies. Because there's listeners as well as viewers.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ask Liz please tell people, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in the show notes. People know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in the show notes. But where can

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<v Speaker 2>people find you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>So my I'll just give my website because it's got

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<v Speaker 4>literally everything on their email everything. It's www dot lisshot

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<v Speaker 4>dot com. And yeah, so you can book in my

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<v Speaker 4>booking through my calendarly sit up a for free sort

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<v Speaker 4>of fifteen fifteen minute kind of zoom and yeah, anything

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<v Speaker 4>else on the website. In terms of education young people,

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<v Speaker 4>coercive control curriculum that's available as well, just to have

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<v Speaker 4>a little looking please, Yeah, I do reach out if

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<v Speaker 4>you need Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Lovely absolutely, and Kathy, what about.

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<v Speaker 3>You for me is Wwwkathycault dot com. So and yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I would love to you know, have a fifteen minute

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<v Speaker 3>conversation with anybody who's listening and just see where where

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<v Speaker 3>are you in your leadership journey? What do you think

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<v Speaker 3>your strengths are. Just let's talk about it and you

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<v Speaker 3>can go to my website and connect with me that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome. I think we'd all should do like a I

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<v Speaker 2>think we should all do a woman hear me ror

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<v Speaker 2>And now you know I'm sleepless, so I think we

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<v Speaker 2>should do a woman hear me roor like Evan was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking at the three of us on the screen,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, there's three different sectors here to that whole

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<v Speaker 2>place right. Anyways, conversation for later. I'm listeners. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always give you something to do. So go and

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<v Speaker 2>check these women out on dev drumon dot com. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>be able to reach through to these ladies as well

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<v Speaker 2>to sixty two. If you can't find them, just email me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put you in touch with them. They're cool, their groovy,

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<v Speaker 2>they're on the show if you want to be sitting

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<v Speaker 2>where they are and you want to be you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about your passion, talking about what you do. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>we are almost booked for this season, so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>reach out right away, and of course we are going

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<v Speaker 2>into the next season or the next half of this year.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as all of you that have your planners

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<v Speaker 2>and you're listening to those quotes now, look at we're

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<v Speaker 2>putting out next year's So if you have a message

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<v Speaker 2>again and you are more comfortable in print than on screen,

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<v Speaker 2>because we haven't convinced you in this show yet that

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<v Speaker 2>you need to be on screen, that's okay too. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're happy to receive your quotes if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be in next year's planner, because believe or not, we're

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<v Speaker 2>putting it together right now so we can release it

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<v Speaker 2>next year. So if you want to be seen, if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be heard, you know where to reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to. Liz Kathy, you're both dear sisters of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Love you dearly. Thank you for both showing up, stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the screen, and viewers and listeners, we so appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much for doing what you do. Share

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<v Speaker 2>the show, share the show, listen to the show, and

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<v Speaker 2>share the show. Thank you. Until we see you again,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be well. You stay gruby and a bye for now.