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Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash podcast. If you listen to

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last Friday Night show, you heard tonight's guest come on

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and talk about several Dogman Encounters he's had. Well, he

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had so many experiences that we didn't have time for

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me to ask him questions about those encounters. Well, with

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that in mind, I asked him if he'd be interested

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to come back for a Q and A. He agreed

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to do that, So here we are Mark. Thanks so

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much for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Vick, I appreciate you having me again.

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Speaker 1: Oh, we appreciate you being here. We really do. Mark.

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For the people who missed episode six point fifteen last

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Friday Night, please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 2: My name is Mark and from West Tennessee. I was

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born in nineteen ninety one, and you know, growing up

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was small town, what much do around, so kind of

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outdoors A type of person. I raised motocross most of

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the time, played football and baseball and all that. Once

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I got out of high school, I went into the

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trade school for industrial maintenance, and then that's what I

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do now. So I do a lot of PLC programming

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industrial electricity and whatnot. But other than that, I like

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to just take care of my family and keep the

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bills paid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as you're doing that, you're doing it right.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Hats off to you, and a lot of people who

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are listening to tonight's show, they probably missed Friday night show.

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So with that in mind, can you run this through

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the encounters that you told us about on Friday show.

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I don't need you to go into it nearly as

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much detail as he did Friday Night, but if you

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can talk us through your experiences so that people listening

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tonight who missed that show have an idea what happened

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to you, that'd be great.

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Speaker 2: All right. Like short story for him my wrist friend Sam.

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One night it was a full moon. He was riding

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his bicycle and like I said, we were younger back then,

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and he's seen this dog man or werewolf whatever it is,

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down by the railroad tracks at the old dump. And

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you know, he made a big hype about it wouldn't

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come out after dark. But the main thing is, you know,

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after we got a driver's license, and the years went on,

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he would never stop and go pee you when we're

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riding around unless there's a street light. So it was

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always bringing the issue up because we would be riding

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around and he wouldn't let me stop unless they're a

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street light. To be well, one night we were riding

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around and that happened, and I was like, well, let's

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just go find this thing, because he would obviously made

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me go stop at a street light to go pee. But

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so we went riding around looking for it and we

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didn't see nothing. It was a full moon that night

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as well, but I dropped him off and then on

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my way home, I actually ran into one into my car,

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and it was on the highway. I did it. It was

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going about I was doing about seventy mile an hour

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and it knocked it off the road, but it didn't

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kill it. It left black hair jammed in my bumper.

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I collected the hair and put it in a chip

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bag and it's in the car now, still out its shop.

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But and then as time went on, you know, every

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time it was a full moon, we'd kind of make

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a game out of it. Let's go look for the werewolf. Well,

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we were right around, and no, we wouldn't see it

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most of the time. But one of the times we

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were riding, we was with Tyler and Aaron and me

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and Sam and we're going down to Wellington Road and

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lower behold, here comes that thing that come running right

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across the road and then run to the left. We

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stopped right there where it crossed, and Tyler pulled an

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AR fifteen out, had a flashlight on it and a laser,

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and he pointed it at the werewolf or whatever you

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want to call it, dog man, and like I said,

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the eyes lit up red and we took off. After that,

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he didn't even shoot it. He got so scared he

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dropped his gun and took off. And then as we

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were going down the road about five or so miles,

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we've seen something again to the left of the road

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in the tree line, and so that kind of freaked

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us out as well, but we kept on rolling about,

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and then once Tyler dropped everybody off, I was last

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one to get dropped off. He swore to me that

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he knew that we were playing a joke on him

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and who was it? And they thought we were actually

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making the whole thing up and had somebody in a

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gorilla suit or something waiting on him. But then, like

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of spooky. If we run down matthis lane and it

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dead ends, and I'd had it smoking a cigarette and

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of that can and we took it to the wig over.

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thing out the window and you can hear it land

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in the woods. But we turned around at the dead

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end and came on back through, and that Mountain Dewke

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can was sitting right in the middle of the road.

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can being in the middle of the road. It was

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kind of creepy. And it was a full moon once again,

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and we were out looking for the werewolf dog man.

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So and now, like I said, another time, you know

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my brother and now they've seen it one time too,

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But he said it was a bear. It had to

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have been, but we don't have bears around here.

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Speaker 1: So you went out looking for it before you started

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having these encounters with it. Do you think it started

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revealing itself to you because it's somehow new, you were

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looking for it or for some other reason.

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Speaker 2: You know. I kind of felt that way, you know.

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It's just the way that we felt about it is

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we always said this, I had to be a full

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moon and you had to be talking about it to

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see it. And that last time, whenever I've seen it

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in my yard, it freaked me out. I mean, it

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was just it really freaked me out. Because when you're

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riding around and you're on a back road or something

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that's not your home, you know, and if you can

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see whatever out there, it's it's okay, it's not in

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your homestead. But when I went out my door that night,

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looked to the left on the side yard and seen

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it in the yard, that was it for me. I really,

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I wasn't playing games no more. It became serious at

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that point.

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Speaker 1: I bet it did. Like I told you before, it's

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one thing to have encounters with these guys away from home,

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but when they bring the party to your house, that's

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a totally different matter. So I understand, I get it,

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I really do. When you consider all these things, though,

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like it's seemingly understanding, its seemingly knowing when you're looking

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for it, and some of these other things, some of

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these other factors involved with your encounters. It's kind of

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hard to explain this away by you dealing with a

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flesh and blood creature that doesn't have any special abilities.

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How sure are you or aren't you that this is

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some kind of a spiritual being or are you convinced

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it's flesh and blood.

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Speaker 2: That's a hard that's a hard thing to answer. But

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I'm one hundred percent sure that it is a physical being.

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because you know, multiple people, if you're there, you can

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see it, and kind of like in a spiritual like sense,

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you only one person would see it, you know, kind

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of like a hallucination of some sort. But it was

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definitely in the flesh and blood, because like I said,

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when I hit it, I did get hair from it,

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but there wasn't no blood on the vehicle or the

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ground or anything. But I would definitely say it's in

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the flesh and blood for sure. And as far as

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the spiritual goes though, But it's kind of odd that

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when we talk about it is whenever it shows itself,

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you know, if we're not. If it's not a full

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moon and we're not talking about it, we don't never

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see it. But I don't know. It's It's kind of

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a hard question because I haven't really been up close

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to the thing, and there isn't really much documentation on

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the thing either other and you could get online and

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read books and whatnot, but you just really don't know

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what to believe when you're online or reading stuff. But

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when you can see something it's physically in front of you,

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then you know it's it's there.

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Speaker 1: Oh, there's no denying it. If you've had a Dogman encounter,

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I would like to speak with me about it, whether

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I'm private or on the show, Please go to dogmanencounters

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dot com and submit a report. You just said that

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you think it's flesh and blood, but if something happens

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down the road that convinces you this thing is a

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spiritual being. How much worse does that make all this?

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Speaker 2: I think it makes it better, Vick. Really it may. Yes, Yeah,

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I'm always up for a good a good spook anyways.

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But as long as it they don't try to hurt

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me or my family, it can do whatever it wants

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to do and live its life, just like I am.

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What the fact that it's so sneaky and whatnot, and

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you just don't see it all the time too. It

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just it just makes you kind of wonder. It's the

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wondering that'll get people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what gets them every time. And I can

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appreciate you feeling the way you do. But something to

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consider if you haven't considered this already, because you just

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might have, is the fact that it obviously seems to

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enjoy frightening you. And if it is a spiritual being

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instead of a flesh and blood creature, then by being

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a spiritual being a nature, it's going to be able

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to frighten you that much more because of all the

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things that can do that a flesh and blood creature couldn't.

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So what are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 2: Well, that is true, and we don't know how this

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thing works, you know, does it run off frequencies?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: How does it see? You know? Is it color blind

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or what kind of Is it kind of like a fly?

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seeing n So, I don't know, Vick, It's that's just

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kind of odd. I don't know how to really explain it,

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but it's definitely something to worry about, you know, if

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you're seeing it and you know it something came to

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your house. And like me, I truly believed that we

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all got a mark of the beast on it. Kind

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of type deal is he knows who we are, he

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knows we've seen it. And I don't know if it

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keeps track on us to this day or not, or

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even if the thing still exist and is around, because

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it has been a few years since this has all happened.

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But you know, when I was talking to a girl

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at the gas station at exon the cashier down to Walnut,

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I told her, you know, hey, check out the episode

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on tall Man Encounters. I gave it to her and

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she actually told me her own experience and this is

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the first time I've ever heard of somebody seeing one

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during the daylight. She claims that her and a couple

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of her cousins were walking down and hear Hatchie Bottom

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and there's an old wooden bridge and it was broad

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daylight outside, and when they walked up toward this bridge

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that there was something black laying across the bridge and

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it was really really long, and she said it looked

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like it had been in a fire, like it was

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like in sitting there whimpering type deal, like it was

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suffering and injured on the bridge. Well, when they got

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close to it, you know, they boat, they all paused

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and looked at it, and the thing jumped up and

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said that She said it just was evil, pure evil,

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that it was the devil. It was this most gnarliest

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thing she had ever seen in her life. And when

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it took off running, it was literally plowing trees down

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as it was running through the woods. Now, I made

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her describe that, MOI. I was like, what do you

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mean plowing trees down? I said, you're talking about siplings

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or what. She was like, yeah, not real big trees,

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but syplings, trees that are about at least, you know,

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three to four inches of tall. She said, it was

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just running them plumb over as it was running away

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into the woods. So, in this accounter happened around three

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o'clock here in the daylight, and what I understood, this

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thing only come out at nighttime. And she was saying

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she's seen something similar during the day and acted like

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it was heard and injured and was whimpering on that bridge.

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So I don't know, and that just that brings a

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whole new light to the whole ball game for me,

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because as far as I'm considered, it comes out at

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night and when it's a full moon.

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Speaker 1: Ah No, they definitely come out during the day. I

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apologize not making sure you understood that. Yeah, there have

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been a lot of encounters during the d time hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I didn't know that, Vick. Yeah, I did

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not know that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Unfortunately, you can have a dog man encounter anytime.

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When she talked about it, did she ever describe it

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in the way the medi you think, okay, yet, must

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have been a dog man or quote unquote we're a wolf.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely she as matter of fact, she's about

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a half a mile of the road from it. Now.

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I just went in the store and grabbed a red

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bull before we started talking. But she said that it

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was about seven foot tall, and that's about accurate. Whenever

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you listen to anybody's interview, they all always say it's

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over six foot tall anyway, So she said it was

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seven foot tall. In the eyes, she said they were red, now,

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not like it red glowing That night with me and

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Martindale were out in sam when the flashlight was on

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it she's saying that the thing had red eyes in

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the broad daylight, and that the hair on it, it

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wasn't real thick hair, like like a hair on your head.

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It was like spaced out, kind of like it had

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been in a like in a fire or some sort.

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So in the skin, she said that it was just

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the skin was black as well, but it was just

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kind of like a charred black color, and that the

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bones and everything and where the joints are right, she said,

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every joint was protruding, and it just looked nasty, kind

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of like a mangy dog is what she kind of

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described it as. And she said it just put the

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fear of evil over and she was, I mean convinced

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one hundred percent that that thing is demonic. And when

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she went back to her went and talked to her

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papa or whatever, you know, they went back out looking

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to see if they could find something, and they didn't

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see nothing of no kind of trail or anything where

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it went. And I was like, well, did they see

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any tracks? And she was like, I don't know, you know,

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but they went back with the shotgun trying to find it. So,

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but like I said, it was seven foot tall, had

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red eyes. The hair was black. Its skin was black,

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but the hair was kind of patchy, kind of like

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it was mangy.

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Speaker 1: That poor thing. That must have scared her to death.

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How frightened was she when she told you about her

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encounter there at the X line.

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Speaker 2: Oh, she was. She was bouncing around, up and down.

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That's how I could tell that she was telling me

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the truth too, because like she was, you could tell

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whenever she was talking about it, it was getting her

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fired up again, you know, And she was just on me,

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pouncing back and forth, running and when she was describing it,

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shut her arms up, you know, and everything else. But

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she was still terrified of it. And she was like,

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there's a lot of stuff out here that people don't

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really see that if you come up on it in

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the wrong time, it's gonna spook you for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that it will. It definitely will. And how long

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ago did you see this happened?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. She said it was years and years back,

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so I don't know on an exact date, but it

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was I think it was like ten years ago or so,

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in the last ten years. Because she was a little

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bit younger, I know that, and she's a little bit

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spying her thirties or forties now somewhere around in there.

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So and it was the never young enough to be

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out walking on the back roads, and said the reason

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they were out walking. Matter of fact, I know she

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was younger because she said they were trying to smoke

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a cigarette, so that way your folks couldn't see them smoking,

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so they went off down the road to smoke them cigarette.

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So it was definitely ten plus years ago.

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Speaker 1: But when she was telling you, it was like she

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was reliving it. Yeah, exactly, sounds like she is traumatized

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by it still, y'all. To put a bug in here

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and have her submitted report, I'd be more than happy

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to talk with her. But of course, please don't pressure

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her to contact me, but if she does, I'll be

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there for her.

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Speaker 2: I tell you I told her about actually I wrote

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down your information for her, and when I went to

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the store earlier that she still has the little yellow

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sticky note on her refrigerator and she's supposed to be

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getting with you on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, she is listening. There's no pressure to do it.

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But yeah, if she wants to contact me to get

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some help, I'll be there for be glad to help.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hers to me kind of stood out because

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it was during the daylight. You know, I was just

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kind of odd, you know, and kind of how I

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see it as a as a factors going to werewolf,

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you know, it has to be the moonlight out and

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that they can't come out in the dark, I mean

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during the day, and she said it was kind of suffering.

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So to me, I'm like, well, why was this thing

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out in the daylight. I wonder if the daylight's kind

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of you know, it makes it its powers down, you know,

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like it's kind of just affecting it to where it's

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not thinking right, because for one, it was just laying

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on that bridge like it was injured and was kind

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of whimpering. And she did say too, it made out

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of a screech. I forgot about that. She did say.

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It made a sound, but with a sound that she

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described it was kind of like a woman screaming, like

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a hollering, but it wasn't like woman like. It was

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just like that high pitch of whenever it took off

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on her. So she said that I forgot all about

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that park. We're so made it was screaming in but

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I don't know, it was just odd for me to

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hear about one year in the day.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, like I said, they happened all

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the time during the D two And yeah, I don't

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think it was heard. I think it was just doing

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what it did to get their attention and probably make

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it more likely for them to approach it before it

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jumped up, and it did that routine. Basically. Yeah, that's

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still going to frighten the dickens out of you, especially

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if you're young.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it fed me at any age saying something like that,

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and especially knowing what I know about him. Now, you know,

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you think that it's an uncommon event, but if you

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really started, there's just not many people talk about it.

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They want to don't want to sound like a yahoo,

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you know, want to sound like a crazy But once

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you start talking about it, you bring the story up.

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There's a lot of people that see these things. This

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is something that they can't explain, and the first thing

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they know toward is like it's a werewolf dog man.

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And you know, I didn't realize it until you know,

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we start talking about the show on the podcast or whatnot.

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I've been talking about a lot around and like I said,

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there is a lot of people that have seen them.

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So that kind of makes me wonder if it goes

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back to we talked about before, if it was the

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same one that we kept seeing during them years, it

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could be multiple ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's entirely possible.

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Speaker 2: And what what was I seen a comment on the

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podcast on the YouTube what is a wind to Go?

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Speaker 1: Well, a wind to Go is a cryptid that supposedly

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it's a person who is cursed, and I think they're

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transformed into the form of this monstrous being that has

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antlers on its head like a buck, and it has

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really tall and linky and I think it has claws

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in most cases. But if you do a search on

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YouTube for wind to Go, then you'll get the phone buck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I took you. I did a little small search

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and I seen one that had antlers on it, and

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all the things that we say, none of them had

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antlers on it. You know. It was a kind of

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a flat top head kind of like it wasn't like

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real rounded the head of its kind of flat, but

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it definitely didn't have no antlers on it. And that

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just makes you wonder what kind of creatures are out there. Man,

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There's there's all kind of stuff out there that we

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don't know about, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Now this might sound like a strange question, but the

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reason why I'm asking you this is your encounter has

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really frightened you. But from how I've heard you talk

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about them, I get the impression that if you had

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maybe not all the time moving forward, but if occasionally

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through the years this thing popped up and you continue

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to have random encounters, as long as you didn't get hurt,

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you'd be okay with that. That it might be a

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good thing about that.

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Speaker 2: Or absolutely absolutely, I'm intrigued by it, like I'm very,

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very interested. You know, it does scare me, don't get

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me wrong, But it's just the thought of being able

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to witness something like that to me is it's like

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a blessing and it's a you know, not everybody gets

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to see one, and if I'm lucky enough to see it,

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then I feel like that's more of a luck than

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bad luck type of thing. But going on the fact,

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you know, as long as it's not hurting me or

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hurting nobody else, then it would be a witch hunt.

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If it was the other way around, if this thing

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was hurting people or doing that, then it'd be another way.

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But I just kind of feel blessed to be able

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to see the thing, and I would just want to wonder,

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you know, does it choose who it lets it see itself?

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You know, because it's gotta have some kind of intelligence

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behind them to stay hidden in the ass much as

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it does. So I wonder if it picks its victims

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that see him.

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Speaker 1: Oh, normally, I think they do. And it might seem

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strange to hear someone talk about wanting to have a

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dog man encounter for the uninitiated, but yeah, that's how

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it is in a lot of cases, not most cases,

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but in more cases than what you would expect. Eyewitnesses

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they say if they had their druthers sometime down the road,

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they'd want to have another encounter as long as they

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weren't harmed. It's hard to understand, but that's how it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like Sam, you know, the first one that witnessed

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it in our group, he's terrified now. He does not

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want to see it at all, Like it just it

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freaks him completely out. Like I said, he won't even

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I don't know about now. I'll probably feel I haven't

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been outride with him in a while. Like I said,

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he wouldn't even be unless there's a street light out.

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We're basically grown, you know, we had the driver's license

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and pain in our own bills, everything else that he

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wouldn't even bee unless they're the street light. So they said, yeah,

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some people they kind of feed into it and some don't.

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I guess that would kind of be like your people

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you got to go out in these documentaries, say like

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bigfoot hunting, and then people that go out in the

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Knights and coon hunt and all that, Like they it's

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the fear of the unknown that kind of attracts them because,

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like they always say, the the more live you feel,

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the closer to death you are, the more alive that

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you feel. So I think it's just the adrenaline rush

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that gets people like me. The adrenaline of it just

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kind of hipes me up, and I kind of it's

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kind of like a drug. You know, you do a

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drug and you get that rush. Well, when I see

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the dog man werewolf thing, I get that hit of

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dopamine and I feel that rush and I'm trying to

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go get it again. I think it's how I'm I

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kind of feel about it. And then some you know,

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like I said that it terrifies them and they just

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want to run away. So it's kind of like either

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the fight or flight kicks in and are depending on

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the individual that's having that experience.

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Speaker 1: Well, if that idea about I'm more excited you are

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the closer you are to Death's door. The night he

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turned to the left and saw that old boy right

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there by your house. But you were just you were

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knocking on Death's door.

477
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I steal that, man. I could just speel

478
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,960
it right now. It's giving me chills. And then it

479
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,079
and by the time I made it through the house

480
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,200
and to that side bedroom, you know, and looked out

481
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,039
that window, it was gone. You know, it was gone.

482
00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,000
I don't understand why it would have stayed there while

483
00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,599
the dogs are barking and everything else. And then I

484
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,359
come outside and look, and then it once it's seen

485
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,720
that I seen him and then went in the house,

486
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,359
that went ahead and went back off into the darkness.

487
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,759
So that's just kind of odd. It goes back to

488
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,720
the thing it feeds off of, the fear, like it

489
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:04,960
loves the scare people.

490
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,519
Speaker 1: Mark. I've explained to literally thousands and thousands of dog

491
00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:13,000
me and eye witnesses that in almost every case, these

492
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:15,680
guys will go miles out of their way to force

493
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,000
an encounter to happen, and then once it's in process,

494
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,319
once they can see they frightened you to within an

495
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,079
inch of your life. Okay, well, mission accomplished. Move on.

496
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:30,359
Does that sound familiar. That's exactly what happened that night

497
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,200
when you turn to the left and saw it.

498
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean exactly what it is. And I'm one

499
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:40,680
hundred percent convinced of it, one hundred percent convinced, because,

500
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,000
like I said, it's had its time. Just like when

501
00:25:43,079 --> 00:25:46,799
Sam was riding his bicycle. You know, he wasn't but

502
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,079
a kid basically, and if it wanted to get him

503
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:52,319
that night, it could have got him. I mean right

504
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,359
there in the flesh. It was sitting there eating on

505
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,680
that dead carcass or whatever it was, but eating on

506
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,359
that carcass, and he was alone down there, with the

507
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,720
full moon shining, there was nobody around. It could have

508
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:06,720
just snatched them right up, and it chose not to.

509
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: So exactly the reason we hear.

510
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,839
Speaker 2: About it scaring people is because the ones that we

511
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,640
don't hear about are then people that disappear and nobody

512
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,519
knows what happened.

513
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that happens too, it's just not the norm.

514
00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:26,119
If it was the norm, then the numbers wouldn't be

515
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,720
what they are. But I'm never gonna say that that

516
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,000
doesn't happen, because I'm sure it does happen. Where these

517
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,880
guys do kill people once in a blue moon.

518
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 2: Some for the ala. But it's kind of like they're

519
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,200
intell Like I told you, I think they have some

520
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:41,960
type of intelligence and they know that if they go

521
00:26:42,039 --> 00:26:44,839
attacking a bunch of humans that we're gonna rally up,

522
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,920
we're gonna get the torches out, we're gonna go in

523
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,599
the woods and we'll find them and we'll think their

524
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,160
whole species. I mean, that's just how the humans go,

525
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,160
you know. It's just like with the Neanderthals, you know,

526
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,480
way history goes. They say that the Homo sapiens, you know,

527
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:01,920
took out the Neanderthals and that's why we don't see

528
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,799
none of them anymore. Which the Neanderthals were actually more hairy,

529
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,720
they were had more muscle mass than we did. But

530
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,880
the Homo sapiens had the mind, so they would trick

531
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,240
them a lot, and that's how they were able to

532
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,640
over out smart them and take them out. Was not

533
00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:23,880
brute force, but by using their head and planning. So,

534
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,079
like I said, I think the dog men know that

535
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,799
if they go out and they go around killing people's

536
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:33,119
kids and whatnot, or even you know, somebody's brother, sister, aunt, uncle, mom,

537
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,160
and dad, that all the family is going to rally around.

538
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,720
And then once the family rallies around, then all the

539
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,119
friends are going to rally around and everybody's they're gonna

540
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:42,759
take care of the issue.

541
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, they're really intelligent, so yeah, of course

542
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:51,000
they realize that. From listening to you talk about your

543
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,559
first sighting, it sounds to me like you think the

544
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,440
main reason why you had that encounter was how loud

545
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,559
your mustang was. Is that accurate?

546
00:27:59,279 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: That is that very accurate? Yep, Like I said, I think,

547
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,440
and it might even hurt its ears, you know, might

548
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,079
not even like that mustang because it was a straight pipe.

549
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,359
You know, it's real loud. So it definitely was bringing

550
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,839
attention to me. And the fact that you know, it

551
00:28:17,559 --> 00:28:20,079
ran out the road like that and hit the car,

552
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,720
I hit hit whatever, you know. I honestly think that

553
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,720
was an intentional and it could take some type of

554
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,960
damage like that, because like I said, there was no

555
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,200
blood and there wasn't a body, but there was this

556
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,119
hair left over. So I honestly think it was just

557
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,039
getting my attention.

558
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Right, then, you just might be right about that. I mean,

559
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,839
if anyone listening hasn't listened to episode one seventeen, that's

560
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,759
probably the most popular episode of the show, Episode one

561
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,480
seventeen of dog Me and the Encounters. Here. On that episode,

562
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:58,119
the guest GT talked about his coronet, his Dodge coronet,

563
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,000
and how loud it was, and he was driving through

564
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,559
the country one night when he had a bad dog

565
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:06,240
Man encounter and he thought that how loud his car was,

566
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,119
that's why he had that experience. So you just might

567
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,519
be right about that. You just might be could be.

568
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: And then going back like marks its targets too, you know,

569
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,880
and that Sam was already on his list, and then

570
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,359
I was always going out looking for me. He finally

571
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:30,440
showed itself. He just might be right, absolutely, Vic, I'm

572
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,799
telling you I hit when I hit that thing, Vic,

573
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:37,119
I was doing seventy and it stopped me to twenty

574
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,640
mile an hour. I mean, in that instant. I mean,

575
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,119
it is amazing that how much force it was to

576
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,559
stop that car like that, Because I fit deer and

577
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,440
dogs before you know you hit it, you keep moving, man.

578
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,960
That thing had to have had some type of strength

579
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,160
to stop that car like that, or some type of

580
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,720
weight behind it or whatever. So it was definitely strange.

581
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,799
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing mark. It would have had to

582
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,240
have so much more mass than it had to slow

583
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:11,039
you from seventy to twenty almost instantly. If it did that,

584
00:30:11,319 --> 00:30:14,200
it had to have some kind of spiritual qualities to it,

585
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,799
because you cannot explain that away using conventional means. There's

586
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:19,920
just no way to do that.

587
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,799
Speaker 2: Yes, and the fact that it directed all the impact

588
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,000
to the bumper and didn't touch the hood on the call,

589
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,000
like I explained before, that was just weird in its

590
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:35,319
own And it was small enough, like low enough to

591
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,599
the ground to where it didn't touch the hood, but

592
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,319
yet long enough to bust each headlight out and the

593
00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:46,920
blinker light. It's as crazy. This kind of makes you

594
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,000
think of what kind of powers it might have, if

595
00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:53,240
it can direct energy in a certain direction or whatnot.

596
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, bull, no doubt, here's another thing about that.

597
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,680
It just doesn't make sense unless it was a spiritual being.

598
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:05,000
That mustang. It was a unibody car. It's designed to

599
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:07,960
crumple when it hit something like that with a front impact.

600
00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,240
It's designed, since everything is connected to everything else on

601
00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:15,039
a unibody car, it's designed to crumple. So it would

602
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,359
not make sense at all for just the bumper to

603
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,359
be pushed in the way it was and the hood

604
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,079
not crumple up and the whole front end be shoved

605
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,359
back into the driver's compartment. If you hit something that

606
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,960
was able to slow you from seventy miles an hour

607
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:32,039
to twenty almost instantly, that just would not make sense

608
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:35,519
at all, unless, like I said, it was a spiritual being.

609
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:39,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say, I know you understand exactly what I'm

610
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,000
talking about. That's the part that freaked me out the

611
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,519
most was how come you know, like you said, why

612
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,279
the engine should have been tucked into the dash to

613
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,839
be from an impact from seventy to twenty mile an hour?

614
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,839
You know what I mean? It should have literally totaled

615
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,119
that car out, and it didn't it. I mean, it

616
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:02,640
messed it up pretty good to come along and tight

617
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,079
chain to a tree and you know, straighten everything back out.

618
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
But I was able to buy two headlights, a blinker cover,

619
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,480
a new Mustang emblem in the front and a bumper cover,

620
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,720
and you know I was good to go.

621
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make sense at all. You shouldn't have

622
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,480
been able to drive that car ten feet, let alone

623
00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:24,920
work on it a little bit and then drive it home.

624
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,000
That just does not make sense at all.

625
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: Yep. And when, like I said, the bumper, when it

626
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,440
didn't impact it, it didn't push it, you know, forward

627
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480
into the engine bay, it kind of knocked it toward

628
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:40,079
the ground to where the actual bumper behind the bumper

629
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,960
cover was dragging the ground, you know, throwing sparks out

630
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640
as I was going down the road. So that's just

631
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,839
it's kind of odd how it all happened. And then

632
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,559
the fact where it went down and then I didn't

633
00:32:50,599 --> 00:32:53,440
run it over either. It's like it directed the energy

634
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:57,640
to one spot, you know, going straight down and then

635
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,599
kind of backwards a little bit. But and you know,

636
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,559
I wanna, well whenever, if we get done with this,

637
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,920
I'll get you some pictures of the car, and I'll

638
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,680
even pull that bumper back and you might can throw

639
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,839
the pictures up on the screen as you know how

640
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,880
you have a background photos coming.

641
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Through, Yeah, I sure do.

642
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: There in the stream, I'm gonna try to see if

643
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,319
I can get that car back out it's in the bushes,

644
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,599
I still have it, but I might can take a

645
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,480
picture of it too, and you might can throw it

646
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,920
up there for the viewers to see it. Sure.

647
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can send me those pictures, If you

648
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,160
can pull it out all the bushes there and send

649
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,480
me some pictures of it, I'll do that definitely.

650
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,079
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, well we'll see if we can make that happen.

651
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,480
And even if you want to, I can even go

652
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,960
to every location that we spotted it and I can

653
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,119
take a shot of the location that we spotted if

654
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,279
you want to, you know, let them all of them

655
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:51,880
screen across it. So just give the viewers something a

656
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680
little different, you know, some facts behind the story.

657
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're doing that, their.

658
00:33:57,839 --> 00:34:01,039
Speaker 2: Visual, Yeah, they have their visual and then they will

659
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:02,880
actually be able to see it on this one.

660
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can do that, I'd be more than

661
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:07,319
happy to do those things.

662
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,119
Speaker 2: And then I seen where a guy he was on

663
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:12,360
the comments. Did you read that one where he was like,

664
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,239
don't let nobody get their hands on that hair, should

665
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,159
never get it back.

666
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. He's right about that.

667
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: Yes he is. That's kind of like the first time

668
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,480
that we talked, I kind of I said, you know,

669
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:28,000
the government hides a lot of stuff from the public,

670
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:30,760
and that's kind of one of them deals, like you

671
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,000
wouldn't want to let nobody get their hands on it.

672
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,400
But at the same time, I think I could come

673
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,559
off of a little bit of it. I would take

674
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:40,880
that chance, just to see if I could get somebody to,

675
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,360
you know, run the hairs and see what kind of

676
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,400
species that was.

677
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: Well, see, that's the thing. If they do tell you

678
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,119
what species it is, it's going to come back Dutch

679
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,320
shepherd or some nonsense like that. They're never going to

680
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,960
tell you what it actually was exactly. Yep, yep, that's right.

681
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:01,400
It had to be a real trusted source, you know. Yeah,

682
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:02,760
good luck finding one of them.

683
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: I sure don't know nobody.

684
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: Two of us it does. Now. Something else I don't

685
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,519
understand is you said it was pretty close to the

686
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:16,920
ground as it was running that night. Did it seem

687
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,400
to be trying to stay low to the ground or

688
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,280
did it seem like that was only due to it

689
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,119
being long but not tall.

690
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: It seems like it was trying to it. Does it

691
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,679
seems like it was, I mean, just like it's belly

692
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,920
was on the ground. And I don't know if that

693
00:35:33,039 --> 00:35:35,039
was just you know, because of how fast it was

694
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,119
moving or whatnot, but it was definitely staying low. It

695
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,760
wasn't like a deer when a deer's jumping up, you know,

696
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,639
a deer jumps upward. This was kind of running like

697
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,159
sort of like a cheetah. You know how when a

698
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,760
cheetah's running full speed, it's kind of leaping forward, but

699
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,519
it's staying low to the ground to like stay low

700
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,239
so it's prey doesn't see it like it's hunting, you know,

701
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,039
and it's trying to stay under the grass. And that's

702
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,880
how this thing was running. Vic it was. It come

703
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,280
out from the woodline, and the strides in the distance

704
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,320
that it was making on each step was amazing. I mean,

705
00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:19,199
it was just unexplainable how fast this thing was moving.

706
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,960
Every step that it took. It was almost like it

707
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,119
was covering ten to twelve foot on each step. I mean,

708
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,719
just moving real, real fast. And all this happened in

709
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,920
the blink of an eye. But like I said, when

710
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,800
it and then when it came out of the tree

711
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,039
line is about I don't know, ten foot, you know too,

712
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,760
it starts going up the hill because the highways built

713
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,760
up on the hill. And it was probably one step,

714
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:48,840
two step, three step, and then into the fourth step

715
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,920
is when I actually ran into it. And you know,

716
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,199
and that's a good distance. That's almost like twenty yards

717
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,320
to thirty yards or so, and it covered it in

718
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,159
three steps.

719
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,599
Speaker 1: See that right there is exactly why I told people

720
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,280
you don't get away from a dog man. If it

721
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,599
has it, it wants to get you. It's letting it

722
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:09,880
get away if you do.

723
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,639
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it feeds off that. That's what it's I

724
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,239
think that's what it does for fun, you know, that's

725
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,960
just this purpose. It does that for fun, like a

726
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,920
cat scratches on a scratch post, you know, like that

727
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:26,519
the dog men go out. They just feed off of

728
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:30,639
scaring people. They really do. There's no other way to

729
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,360
explain it, you know, the way the sightings occur because

730
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,679
it's like it shows enough of itself to where you

731
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,679
see it, but it won't let you get close enough

732
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,119
to where you can really pinpoint it, you know what

733
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:47,199
I mean, or close enough to where you can even

734
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,920
endanger it. And like I said that night that Tyler

735
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,599
had that ar pointed on it. Just think about this

736
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,760
vick okay, And in a sense, think about every animal

737
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,559
out in the Kingdom. Anything that sees a truck or

738
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:07,519
a human coming through, it's a wild animal. They always run.

739
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,000
Even some domesticated dogs will see you and they run.

740
00:38:11,639 --> 00:38:15,920
What type of animal comes through a yard, well led area,

741
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,239
down into the road in front of a vehicle, goes

742
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,760
up a ridge and stops and turns around and looks

743
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:30,039
yeah and stares at you. You know, that's that's crazy,

744
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:31,079
It's crazy.

745
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,599
Speaker 1: A dog many.

746
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: It was wanting to stare you. It was exactly dog man.

747
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,320
It was wanting to scare us. There's no other way to,

748
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,519
you know, explain it. And going back to the spiritual

749
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:46,400
being powers you were saying. It knew that Tyler wasn't

750
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,039
gonna pull the trigger on that gun. It just knew it.

751
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:52,800
He knew it scared him enough, looked at him, probably

752
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,920
dead in the eyes where he dropped a gun and

753
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,480
just took off. His fight or flight kicked in and

754
00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:00,320
he chose flight and he took off. He didn't even

755
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,199
stay a fight. It still boggles my mind that he

756
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,639
did not pull the trigger that night. And you know,

757
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,039
to be honest, I don't even think a gunshot would

758
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:14,280
hurt this thing, because even humans, as long as you

759
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,840
don't get shot in like the lung or the heart

760
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,480
or something like that, or in the head. Of course,

761
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,440
we can even handle a bullet. This thing right here.

762
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:24,400
There ain't no telling how many bullets it could take,

763
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,840
especially if it took a seventy mile an hour impact

764
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,440
from a Ford Mustang. I think that car weighs almost

765
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,320
three thousand pounds, and you know, it took that lick

766
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,159
and just kept on going like it wasn't nothing. And

767
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,599
the way that that car is set up to it's

768
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:47,639
like a you know, it's kind of a sharp edge vehicle. Well,

769
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,079
one time me and Sam and James were on a

770
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:52,280
way to work. I was working at Kellogg's this time

771
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,920
we did contracting out there. But anyways, we hit a

772
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,639
deer before and this is kind of nasty, you know,

773
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,760
so cover your ears if you don't want to hear it.

774
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,599
When we hit that deer, vic it exploded. The guts

775
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:11,280
and blood just covered the whole window. We're doing sixty

776
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,920
mile an hour, right and when we hit this deer,

777
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:19,800
the guts and poop just covered the whole windshield and

778
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,840
we couldn't even see. And then Sam hits the winchil

779
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,800
wipers and it just smears the blood and everything. You

780
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,880
couldn't see nothing, and he has to roll the window

781
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,880
down and look out the window just to see. And

782
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,880
then the smell of the intestine started coming through the vents,

783
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,840
the air vents, so we had the heat blowing that morning,

784
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,119
and you know it exploded that thing. Would Eebra hit

785
00:40:43,199 --> 00:40:45,840
that night? I know it was a werewolf dog man.

786
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,760
When I hit the dog man that night, Vic, it

787
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,519
took it. It didn't bleed, it didn't do nothing. I mean,

788
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,880
it took the lick and just kept going. And it's

789
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,840
not even like when I hit it, Vic, I didn't

790
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,840
knock it off anywhere. I couldn't see it more like

791
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,000
I said, once I hit it and it was just

792
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:06,440
lights out. Yeah, I couldn't see a thing. I didn't

793
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,679
see the body no more. You know. It wasn't like

794
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,519
I hit it and it knocked it forward, or I

795
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,000
hit it and I knocked it over to the right.

796
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,639
It's almost like I hit it and it was still

797
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,000
able to keep running as I hit the thing. But

798
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,760
it was crazy how stout date is very very crazy.

799
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,159
That goes back to I was saying, you know it

800
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:28,199
could take a bullet for sure. So now I don't

801
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,159
understand why or what type of animals that night turned

802
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,159
around and looked us in the eyes. After it was

803
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,400
it was clearly running from us or trying to get

804
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,480
our attention, you know, it was running wide open and

805
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:43,519
crossed the road and it just stopped and turned around

806
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,159
and looked at It's like, yeah, here I am. So

807
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,199
I don't know it. That's crazy. It's just a lot

808
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,159
of odd things that don't add up. It's just really unexplainable.

809
00:41:53,559 --> 00:41:56,639
It's just it gives you the wow factor. It's just

810
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,280
it's insane.

811
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: Yes it is. How sure are you that it didn't

812
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:02,880
go under the car?

813
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,639
Speaker 2: One hundred percent sure? It didn't go under the car

814
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:10,079
at all, like I said. And for one, like I said,

815
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:13,000
I didn't, you know, feel it whenever I bounced over it.

816
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,239
But the way that the bumper, like I said, when

817
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,199
it knocked that bumper down, it knocked it all the

818
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,440
way to the asphalt, So it wasn't able to go

819
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:25,760
under the vehicle either. So and it didn't rit no

820
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,440
transmission lines or none of the exhaust off the car either.

821
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,440
So like I said, it definitely didn't go under it.

822
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: So it's literally like it disappeared.

823
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 2: Then, Yeah, absolutely absolutely like it. That's why I said,

824
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,559
like when I hit it, it had to have just

825
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:44,760
kept running, you know what I mean. Like I said,

826
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,800
I didn't see it no more after I hit it.

827
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,159
It was which it was lights out too, you know,

828
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,199
the headlights went out. But I just I didn't see

829
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,559
it no more. But then when I got up to

830
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:57,320
that church, Vic, like I said, I did hear and

831
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,840
the church ain't far from where I hit it. I'd say, maybe,

832
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,400
I don't know an eighth bull mile. We'll find out

833
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,400
in the pictures because when I'm gonna go to the

834
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,840
exact spot that I hit it at and I'll be

835
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,920
able to really for sure know then. But it's a

836
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,840
it's like maybe an eighth bull mile a half a mile.

837
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,559
And I did hear something in the woods, you know,

838
00:43:16,679 --> 00:43:19,480
like running and making ruckous and I heard all them

839
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,159
dogs barking, But I don't know, it was like it

840
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,719
just disappeared kind of like you said, or it just

841
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,559
kept running. One of the two. But it took that

842
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:33,039
lick and it kept going, which is just insane, insane

843
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:36,159
to me. I don't know much that can take a

844
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:37,920
lick from a car and just keep going.

845
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,679
Speaker 1: Well, if it is a spiritual being, it could it

846
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,800
could do that more, it could do You want to

847
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,119
kick yourself for getting out of the car the way

848
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,159
you did and pulling on your bump recover or are

849
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:52,079
you a key with you doing that? Because I guess

850
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:54,119
if you wouldn't have done that, you couldn't have driven home.

851
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: I hid too. It was a chance of survival. I

852
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,360
mean I had to. I didn't want to. I went

853
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,760
back into the car a couple times during that process,

854
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,559
you know, and that alone had me so terrified. You normally,

855
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,400
you know, when you get out and you have a wreck,

856
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,599
it is a it's a traumatic experience, but not enough

857
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,360
to where you're about. I was literally in tears just

858
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,840
about and was running, jumping back in the car when

859
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,639
I would hear noises, and then jumping back out, and

860
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:26,679
then made sure that I had my gun ready. I

861
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,880
had my thirty odd six and a twenty two pistol.

862
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,639
But you know, I couldn't even work on my car

863
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,400
vic and get it back going to be road worthy

864
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,280
in a timely manner because I was so terrified about

865
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,960
the noises that I was hearing in the woods and

866
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,440
then when it got quiet and I didn't hear no noise,

867
00:44:45,519 --> 00:44:48,800
then I was even terrified even more. And it goes

868
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,920
back to where it scared me so much when I

869
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:54,159
was that bumper was on the ground and I'm sitting

870
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,400
there and I'm trying to you know, left on it,

871
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,039
and I wouldn't have it no luck. But and then

872
00:44:59,079 --> 00:45:01,280
I heard something in the sides of the woods that

873
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,639
really freaked me out. And it was like, man, my

874
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,000
adrenaline started pumping and my veins started bulging, and and

875
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,599
then just my heart raking went way up. And I

876
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,960
just grabbed that and bare knuckled that freaking bumper and

877
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,760
just pulled it with all the strength I had and

878
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
was able to get it at least about an inch

879
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
off the ground to where it wasn't scraping and you know,

880
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,440
catching my car on fire from all the sparks line.

881
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:29,320
But it's it is a terrifying experience when you do

882
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:32,639
encounter and every time, and you know, you hear how

883
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,719
I talk about it, it seems like, you know, I

884
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,079
would be okay when I do see it, but every

885
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,760
time I seen it, it just it freaks me out.

886
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,199
I get terrified, and all my planning it goes out

887
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,000
the windows. You know, all this macho stuff. I was

888
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,440
gonna do this so that it all goes out the window.

889
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,039
And I just get terrified and just said, just the rut.

890
00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:55,519
And it is my first instinct.

891
00:45:56,519 --> 00:45:59,519
Speaker 1: Oh, sure, your plans go out the window. Everyone's got

892
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:00,760
a plan until they get hit.

893
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:04,079
Speaker 2: Ye, that's it for a while.

894
00:46:04,119 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you did. But are you at a place now

895
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,639
where you don't relive those encounters you had or do

896
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:10,719
you still relive them?

897
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: It's like this, Vick, if whenever I'm really talking about it,

898
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:23,800
like and right now, the same the same dopamine, hip

899
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,079
and everything and the serotonin and all them chemicals in

900
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:31,840
my brain that ignite, I get that same feeling right now.

901
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,239
It's just thinking about them encounters like it's it's just

902
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,920
all mixture into one, and it just it really gets

903
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,280
me fired up. And yes, I still relive them. And

904
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,639
it's been years, Vick. You'll think it was twenty fourteen

905
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,119
the last time I seen one, And yeah, I mean

906
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,639
that's eleven years ago, and yeah, I still relive it,

907
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,400
and it just it runs back in my mind. I

908
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,559
mean I could still see the moon is real bright,

909
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:02,320
the landscape has like a blue kind of tent to it,

910
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,039
you know how full moon does. And then I could

911
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,840
just see that blackness of that creature running so fast

912
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,880
and just low to the ground and making strides that

913
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,480
are ten foot in each step. You know. It is

914
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:19,679
just it's insane, the mount that I relive every time.

915
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,559
It just it all plays right back in my head

916
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:26,000
and I feel the same feeling that I did that night.

917
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,880
The only thing is different is the scary part about it.

918
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,880
You know, I can not be terrified of it, as

919
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,639
I feel the same feeling. The only part feeling that

920
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,159
don't come back is to being the terrified you know

921
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,239
how scared I was.

922
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure to a certain degree comes back.

923
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 2: Also, Yeah, that does, you know, And I want to

924
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,480
come like you right now. It just caught myself kind

925
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,880
of looking over my shoulder. I'm out here in my

926
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,239
car in my front yard and I'm just kind of looking.

927
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,360
It's dark, and like, uh, you know, is that thing

928
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,360
watching me right now? But don't I doubt it's watching

929
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,440
right now, but it could be. You never know. You

930
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:10,559
never know. And apparently apparently VIC this is a hotspot

931
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:14,079
for dog men area West Tennessee. I was, you know,

932
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,239
it's like I said, I mentioned it to people around town,

933
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,239
and you know, a few people have their stories of

934
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:23,320
their own. And apparently Pickwick, Tennessee and Counts Tennessee at

935
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,920
Savannah area and Hardin County is a hotspot for dog

936
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,079
men too. You know, it's a they have a lot

937
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,320
of heills out there, and it's a lot of government

938
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,599
land for one too, and they have a lot of

939
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,360
natural springs and stuff. So that would be a good

940
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,239
spot for him to hide in and to be able

941
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,119
to flourish.

942
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure would. It's got all the resources that dog

943
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,079
men could want. So yeah, yeah, it's no wonder that

944
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,920
there would probably be quite a few there.

945
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 2: And Vic, how do you think that dog men come about?

946
00:48:53,519 --> 00:48:57,000
Do you think that there's some type of spiritual event

947
00:48:57,079 --> 00:49:00,639
that happens, or do they mate or now, how does

948
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,519
a dog man come to exist?

949
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: Well, that could be a whole show right there in

950
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,800
and of itself.

951
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,159
Speaker 2: It could, It could.

952
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,679
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if there are several kinds of

953
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,119
dog men. Some dog men might have been created in

954
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:16,039
government labs in the test tube. Others might be naturally

955
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,559
occurring creatures. Others might be spiritual beings. So maybe there

956
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:25,079
are several types. I don't know, but that's something all

957
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,000
we can do is guess at I mean, we're never

958
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:27,960
going to know for sure.

959
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now what caught my mind there over my ears?

960
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,199
Should I say, is the government in a test lab?

961
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,480
That could be very much true, very very true. But

962
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,159
and then at the same time, you know where wolf

963
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:48,039
and dog men's stories go back a long time in

964
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:51,320
the human history, before we even had medical labs like that,

965
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,400
so maybe some of them are are recreation of the

966
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,239
original because we still don't know as humans how we

967
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,639
even got here either, Like well, that would kind of

968
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:03,800
be like the same question as well, how was the

969
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:04,760
first human maid?

970
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: You know?

971
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: Religion put to the side, but you know, and how

972
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:11,519
was a rabbit maid? You know? And stuff like that.

973
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,880
But it's just a it's a really really something for

974
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,039
me to even wonder upon myself, you know, because I've

975
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:21,679
experienced this thing, and for all I know is this

976
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,280
thing could pop up again tomorrow, you know. But I

977
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,360
just I'm not out and about like I was in

978
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,679
my younger days, and I just work come home now.

979
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,480
But I just I don't know.

980
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,559
Speaker 1: Just you never know, that's right, You never did, yeah,

981
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,000
did you and your buddies get mad and Martindale not

982
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:41,639
firing at it that night. Or did you take him

983
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:44,119
seriously when he told you that he thought it was

984
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,920
just a person in a werewolf suit.

985
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, we knew he was scared. Nah. I'm glad

986
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,880
he didn't really shoot it, because like I was telling

987
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,480
you before, is I don't really want to kill the

988
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:58,400
thing either, because it's an endangered species. For one, I

989
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,360
don't want to take out no kind of speed she's

990
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,440
winning them. For two, if it's a spiritual type thing

991
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:05,480
and he done fire off on it, I don't want

992
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,320
that bad voodoo on me. And for three, I don't

993
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,360
blame him at all for dropping the gun and taking off.

994
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,800
You know, I'll actually find it. That's what I would

995
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,039
have done, you know, especially being the first time you've

996
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,199
seen something if he thought it was somebody in a suit.

997
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,880
For one, if he really did VIC, he wouldn't have

998
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,559
floord it and took off and drove like a maniac

999
00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,480
down that gravel road. Like when I say he was

1000
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:35,599
driving like de Ornhard Junior. He had that sucker sideway,

1001
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,840
slinging rocks all the way to the tree line up

1002
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,960
top and up and down around each curve wide open.

1003
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,280
You know, he actually put all of our lives at

1004
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,239
risk that night by driving crazy. And you know, I

1005
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,159
think that he just didn't want to believe in some

1006
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,920
type of chrest creature. You know, he didn't want to

1007
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,599
sound like a looney. You know a lot of people

1008
00:51:57,599 --> 00:51:59,960
are like I got you know, the crazies are out

1009
00:52:00,039 --> 00:52:02,280
in the full moon. Well, I say, dog man's out

1010
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,119
on the full moon and the crazy too. But that's

1011
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,159
I don't blame him at all, Vick for not shooting it,

1012
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:10,079
not at all.

1013
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,159
Speaker 1: Well, subconsciously, I think he knew what it was and

1014
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,480
that's why he drew the way he did. Yeah, yep,

1015
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,199
when you drove five miles down the road that night,

1016
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,039
after you and your buddy saw it, how sure are

1017
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:25,960
you that it wasn't a different dog men that you saw.

1018
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:31,159
Speaker 2: My vicary? You know, I've always thought, until I've really

1019
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:32,920
talked to you about it, I thought it was the

1020
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,760
same one, because in my mind, there's not many of

1021
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,519
these things that exist. But the more research that I've done,

1022
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:44,320
and what I mean research is in the field, not

1023
00:52:44,519 --> 00:52:47,719
just you know, looking up stuff or reading a book somewhere,

1024
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,480
there might be multiple dog men around, but that one

1025
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:57,079
that's in Roger Springs area. I still think that it

1026
00:52:57,159 --> 00:53:00,639
was the same one. And that thing was running because

1027
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:02,760
like I said, I've seen its speed that night when

1028
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,880
I hit it in the GT. So it might could

1029
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,440
have if it took a direct straight path through the woods,

1030
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,840
it might could have got there and posted up in

1031
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,639
that tree line like that. And the way that it

1032
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,079
kind of you know, it had its fist on the

1033
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,960
ground and its face was just you know, straight forward.

1034
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,360
It didn't you know, watch us when we went by,

1035
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,440
like with its head turning. It's almost like that thing

1036
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,679
it's eyes were able to look over to the right

1037
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:35,719
and just watch us go past on the left, and

1038
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:40,360
it just stayed perfectly still to get that scary effect,

1039
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,920
you know what I mean, Like it it lets you

1040
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,199
see just enough but not it's showing some of his cards,

1041
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,559
but it ain't showing you the whole deck. And by

1042
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,480
posting up there, that was kind of just scary in

1043
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:56,199
its own the way that it wouldn't moving, you know

1044
00:53:56,199 --> 00:53:58,039
what I mean. You got something sitting there in a

1045
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,039
tree line and a vehicle coming by and it's just

1046
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,920
standing still with his face turned straight ahead. You know,

1047
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,440
that was just kind of creepy. I think that was

1048
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,880
one of his tactics, to trying to scare me or

1049
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,119
scare everybody, not just me, scare everybody in the trucks.

1050
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,159
I do. I think it was the same one, But

1051
00:54:16,159 --> 00:54:19,119
in a sense, I think there's more than one out here.

1052
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,440
There's gotta be. There's gotta be, and it might be

1053
00:54:22,599 --> 00:54:25,119
like a wolf pack. How wolf packs, you know, they

1054
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:30,280
stay in a certain area. The encounters that I've heard

1055
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,639
about around here, I've kind of mapped them out, and

1056
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,440
it's like it has different territories, you know. I kind

1057
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,920
of believe that we'll have one that's down in the

1058
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,079
HATCHI bottom, and the one that was seen in a

1059
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:46,159
wolf pend and the one that's seen in Roger Springs.

1060
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:48,440
I think that's three different packs. I really do.

1061
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:51,599
Speaker 1: Well, you might be right about that, but I have

1062
00:54:51,639 --> 00:54:53,840
doubts about them hanging out in numbers like that on

1063
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:57,599
a regular basis. And that's because if you think about

1064
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:01,480
their daily CLOrk requirements, it's bad enough for them to

1065
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,320
try to feed themselves. Just having one dog man in

1066
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,599
an area for any appreciable amount of time, it's gonna

1067
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,320
blow through the resources in that area in no time.

1068
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,519
But if you have more than one, they're gonna just

1069
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:16,519
decimate the resources in a big area in a very

1070
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,000
short time. So I'm convinced for that reason that if

1071
00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:23,639
they are just flesh and blood creatures, they're gonna live alone.

1072
00:55:24,039 --> 00:55:27,840
They might send together occasionally, but yeah, not with any regularity.

1073
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I say pack, I meant like that one

1074
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,039
dog man's territories, you know what I'm saying, Like there's

1075
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:38,000
three different it's gotta be three different ones maybe, but

1076
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:40,639
like I said, like you're telling Matt, they they're not

1077
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,360
grouped up into a bunch. It's one and it has

1078
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,119
its own designated territory.

1079
00:55:46,199 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Oh I see, Okay, that makes sense.

1080
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 2: I kind of misspoke when I said in a pack,

1081
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,559
I meant, like, you know, I was saying, like a

1082
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,639
wolf pack in a kind of like a reference how

1083
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,639
they got their certain area. But the dog man is

1084
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:02,800
in a singular one has like eat east side of Middleton,

1085
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:05,800
and then you got the west side of Middleton, and

1086
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,159
then just southeast you'll have a hatchy bottom, you know,

1087
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:13,719
and them are you know, that's probably about a fifty

1088
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,599
mile radius area of what I'm talking about, and in

1089
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:20,920
them areas, like I said, that's it also too. You

1090
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:23,920
have the river like you have the Hatchie River that

1091
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:26,760
runs through that area too as well, and then you

1092
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,400
have canals that branch off of that, and then you

1093
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:34,440
also have little creeks that branch off, and they all

1094
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,480
branch off. It's kind of like a if you've ever

1095
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:39,320
seen like a heart laid out on an operating table

1096
00:56:39,679 --> 00:56:43,719
and the vessels had it all pumps blood to the heart.

1097
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:46,320
That's kind of like the Hatchie River is around here.

1098
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,679
You have all these creeks, the creeks running to the canals,

1099
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,760
then the canals running to the Hatchie River, and in

1100
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,639
them areas you have all them resources for water because

1101
00:56:57,679 --> 00:56:59,920
I think everything has to have water to survive.

1102
00:57:01,119 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. And of course all of your theories about

1103
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,960
those resources, yeah you might be spot on. But if

1104
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,800
they are spiritual beings, which yeah, there's a strong possibility

1105
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,920
on that. Yeah, that goes right out the window. That

1106
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:18,440
does it, Sure does, it does, And that might be

1107
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:21,400
why there wasn't no blood that night. Yeah, that would

1108
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,800
explain it, It really would. It would explain a lot

1109
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,360
of things. Yeah, you're obviously interested in dogmen mark now

1110
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,480
that you have those encounters, But what about Sam, does

1111
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,679
he have any interest in them? I know he's terrified

1112
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:35,679
of them, but does he have any interest in them

1113
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,199
or does he try to avoid thinking about them at

1114
00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:38,760
all costs.

1115
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,719
Speaker 2: He tries to avoid thinking about it at all cost

1116
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,840
always has due. Yeah, he's terrified of it, Like he

1117
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,960
didn't even like it when we would bring it up

1118
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,519
when it was a full moon, or even if we

1119
00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:53,039
didn't have to be a full Movic and Sam, if

1120
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,079
we talked about all I'd have to say, is it

1121
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,920
the thing? I wouldn't have to say the word were

1122
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,159
wolf and he would just tremble. Now, he's a funny

1123
00:58:02,199 --> 00:58:05,320
type of comedian type of guy too, like he'll make jokes,

1124
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,199
but when it comes to talking about the werewolf now

1125
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:10,320
he calls it a werewolf, not a dog man. But

1126
00:58:10,679 --> 00:58:15,400
he's terrified. He avoids any type of interaction or conversation

1127
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,039
about it. It just it shivers into the bone. Yeah.

1128
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: Well, given your experiences, when I say yours, I'm talking

1129
00:58:23,039 --> 00:58:27,280
about you, Sim's Martin dial and all of your buddies.

1130
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:30,320
It seems like when you've talked about it that has

1131
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,360
spurred on more encounters. So I can understand seehim feeling

1132
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,000
that way. I can understand that totally.

1133
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: And you know, he was younger too when he had

1134
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,920
that first experience as well too, So if it might

1135
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,960
have traumatized him as a child, you know, and that

1136
00:58:46,679 --> 00:58:49,840
child who had trumly kind of you know it instilled

1137
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:50,679
into his brain.

1138
00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: Yes, it's bad enough to have an encounter when you're

1139
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,000
an adult, but when you're as young as he was

1140
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,480
and you have an encounter like that, that really traumatizes you. Yeah,

1141
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:03,000
that's just it's tough, it really is. Speaking of him,

1142
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:07,519
how's he doing now? Can he function properly without too

1143
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:10,199
much trouble? I know he's still terrified to these guys.

1144
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:11,599
But how's he doing?

1145
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,599
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, he's doing good.

1146
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 1: You know.

1147
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:20,079
Speaker 2: He he's actually forming at a company it's SBI Works

1148
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:23,719
out of Kelloggs. It's a kind of a contracted company

1149
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,159
for Kelloggs. And he actually runs a group of guys.

1150
00:59:26,239 --> 00:59:29,840
He has about I say six to ten guys as

1151
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,039
he's supervising on a daily and then he also does

1152
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,239
work for the city of Middleton as well. So and

1153
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,880
you know, he does a has a YouTube channel it's

1154
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,519
Sam Moore Thinks Something Sam Moore three eighteen or something.

1155
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,400
But he does gun videos on YouTube. You ever want

1156
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,719
to check him out and see him on there. And

1157
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,239
he does good. You know, he has two kids and

1158
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,400
a wife and he functions good. And he moved out

1159
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,239
of the trailer too. He's kind of a nice house now.

1160
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,280
He's just put in a swimming pool this summer. So

1161
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,000
and then it built a pond behind his house as well.

1162
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:07,519
So he's thriving, he is, he's thriving.

1163
01:00:08,639 --> 01:00:13,159
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it sounds like he is. That's great. When

1164
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:16,280
you had your last encounter at that plantation, you mentioned

1165
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,440
the full moon to your girlfriend that you had back then,

1166
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,719
but you also said that when you told her about

1167
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:25,519
your encounters, she rolled her eyes. Did she not seem

1168
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:26,079
to believe you?

1169
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 2: She didn't want to believe that there's a were wolf,

1170
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:32,199
you know what I mean, just the thought and a

1171
01:00:32,239 --> 01:00:35,880
were wolf, just saying that word, it just it kind

1172
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,199
of it's so unbelievable. You just you don't believe in

1173
01:00:40,239 --> 01:00:43,719
it until you see it, you know. So, yeah, that's

1174
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,039
exactly the type of reaction that I got, Like it's

1175
01:00:47,079 --> 01:00:50,199
a full moon. But whenever I ran back up in

1176
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,760
the house and see that she's seen how scared I

1177
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:57,159
was and the dogs, she was scared then too, and

1178
01:00:57,239 --> 01:00:59,760
she knew I seen something, but she don't know what

1179
01:00:59,800 --> 01:00:59,960
it is.

1180
01:01:00,119 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you saw your face, I bit, they did

1181
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get the message.

1182
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Speaker 2: Chrus. Yeah, I mean, and like I said, I came

1183
01:01:06,679 --> 01:01:09,800
in the house that I locked it down. I mean,

1184
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:13,800
and I even locked my bedroom door, you know, even

1185
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,920
locked the bedroom door. But like I said, I peeped

1186
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,159
out of that window and it was gone, thankfully. So

1187
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,719
but in a way, Vic, I wish it would have

1188
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:24,000
stayed around enough where she could have looked out the

1189
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:25,000
window and seen it.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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01:01:25,519 --> 01:01:29,239
Speaker 2: But I said, some people are like, it's hard for

1192
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,800
them to believe it. It is, and I understand it

1193
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,559
because I was the same way. You know, before I

1194
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:37,960
actually witnessed myself, Vick, I wouldn't you know. I'm like,

1195
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:40,360
what what were you smoking? You had some good weed

1196
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,440
that day or something? You know, Like you guys, you're

1197
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,239
seeing stuff. But it's it's reality. These people that have

1198
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,840
these experiences big, they are seeing something. It's not a

1199
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,280
figment of their imagination and it and it's terrifying. It

1200
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:59,039
is very terrifying. Like that woman at the exon she

1201
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:03,000
said that thing was the devil. It was this pure evil,

1202
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:05,519
just the look of it, and the vibe that it

1203
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,960
was putting off was just just like the evil vibe.

1204
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,480
And then the fact she said that that thing was

1205
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,400
charred and looked like it had been in a fire.

1206
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,960
That's just kind of interesting to me. The way she

1207
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:19,960
described that. She described it as in the body of

1208
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:23,039
the thing she's seen with the dog men that she's

1209
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:25,480
seen looked like it had been in a fire, was

1210
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:30,039
just charred up, you know. And most of all my cases,

1211
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,639
it was a full moon, and I didn't get that

1212
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,320
visual effect of the fire, you know, like it been

1213
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,719
burned in a fire. But that goes back to maybe

1214
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,000
you're talking about like a spiritual thing and how they

1215
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:45,280
come about. I just I wonder what that why it

1216
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,760
is like that dark color, you know, like a charred look.

1217
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does make you wonder about a lot of things,

1218
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,119
it really does. The questions never end when it comes

1219
01:02:55,159 --> 01:02:57,079
to these guys.

1220
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 2: And that charred look. It's it sounds really really familiar.

1221
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,480
That night that I'm talking about, I hid it. You know,

1222
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:06,159
it was running fast, but that is a good description

1223
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,800
of it. It looks like it stepped right of a fire.

1224
01:03:10,039 --> 01:03:13,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can only imagine when you walked out front

1225
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:16,280
that night and turned to the left and saw it.

1226
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:18,599
What was it doing with its hands?

1227
01:03:20,519 --> 01:03:24,639
Speaker 2: It was just standing like standing real, real tall bit

1228
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,960
and it was motionless and it was just staring like

1229
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:32,039
it was staring a hole through me. I mean, I mean,

1230
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,320
it was not moving its hands. It was just like

1231
01:03:35,239 --> 01:03:38,559
kind of let me just try to explain this, okay.

1232
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:42,199
So its hands were up, but its elbows were pointing

1233
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,960
east and west and it was facing towards the south.

1234
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:49,599
So you have its elbows or east and west, and

1235
01:03:49,679 --> 01:03:53,199
its hands are just balled up kind of like intil

1236
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,159
like a claw like look, you know, like kind of

1237
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,239
curled like a claw. And its eyes like still were

1238
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,679
just staring at me. But the eyes didn't seem like

1239
01:04:02,719 --> 01:04:05,559
they were straight ahead. It kind of looked like they

1240
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:09,719
were poking kind of out the side of its skull,

1241
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:13,360
like not like how a regular dog's eyes is real

1242
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,679
close together. The gap between each eyeball was just like massive,

1243
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:22,440
And like I said, it was just standing up, and

1244
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,360
it's where it's hind legs and its joints were on

1245
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,320
its legs like it was just each every bone was

1246
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:34,320
protruding like they just sticking out real thick and it

1247
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,360
was just staring at me, just looking and it had

1248
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,920
its like arms set to the side like I said,

1249
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:43,480
east and west for each elbow and facing towards the

1250
01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:45,639
south at me. And it just stared at me and

1251
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,639
did not move an inch. I mean not a bit.

1252
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,079
I couldn't even tell if it was breathing or not.

1253
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:56,239
It was just staring at me. And apparently the dogs

1254
01:04:56,239 --> 01:04:59,000
didn't have no effect on it either, And that just

1255
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:01,880
that just makes me, I wonder, is like when my

1256
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,440
dogs are barking, most animals around there would have took

1257
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,960
off run and whatever. This was dog man. I know

1258
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,440
it was dog man, but you know this thing was

1259
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,960
just staring at me. And it was placed right beyond

1260
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:19,159
where the light is from the front porch is lighting

1261
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,079
up the yard. It's standing right there in the darkness,

1262
01:05:22,159 --> 01:05:23,079
just looking at me.

1263
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:28,119
Speaker 1: They know how to push our buttons, they really do. Yeah, yeah,

1264
01:05:28,159 --> 01:05:31,239
their masters at it. What it's about. Time for us

1265
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,079
to get out of you're mark. But before we do,

1266
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:34,880
do you have any closing comments you want to put

1267
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:35,920
out there for us?

1268
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,840
Speaker 2: You know I do. I'd have a couple, you know,

1269
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:41,639
if anybody sees them from here on that. Let's just

1270
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:44,360
make a pack. Let's try to get a picture of them.

1271
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,599
I just I would love to learn more about this thing.

1272
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,400
And it's like I said, just if you see one,

1273
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:54,800
try not to get scared and run to see if

1274
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,880
you can get up your good picture of it. And

1275
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,360
then they then don't go out looking at first something

1276
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,119
and you might see something you don't want to say too.

1277
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:05,920
Be careful what you wish for.

1278
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: That's really good advice, it always is. Well, Mark, I

1279
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,880
can't thank you enough for coming back on to answer

1280
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:15,280
all these questions. I really do appreciate it.

1281
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to ask or I

1282
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:19,719
enjoy talking with you.

1283
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's been fun talking with you too. I just

1284
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,400
hate the fact you have to go through those experiences,

1285
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,880
but you know we can't go back and change that. Well,

1286
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,639
having said all that, thanks again so much for your

1287
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:55,639
time and hope you have a green night.