Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekanona Show.
I'm back here with Thomas. It's been a little while.
How are you doing all right?
Speaker 2: I was quite ill for a spell. That owes to
my I mean, my absence owes to that as well
as you know, not my not dropping content in particularly
timely manner. But I think I'm out of the woods, Okay,
I mean a gottape. I'm going to the Meter conference
this weekend. But I appreciate you hosting me man as always.
What I want to get into, what I want to
get into today, and of course you're the boss of
this program. I want to discuss how there's a nascent
sort of revisionist Uh, there's a nas intolerance for a
revisionist scholarship about Adolf Hitler. Okay, that I think is undeniable.
I'm talking about, you know, in in corridors where that
was not tolerated whatsoever, you know, even a decade or
a decade and a half ago. And it's very interesting
that always to a lot of factors that owes to
the Second World War truly fading from living memory, you know,
it owes to the kind of democratization of university resources
it owes to you know, the complete and total absence
of a bully pulpit that academ in you know, in
conjunction with media used to enjoy and you know, facilitated
a really kind of complete and total capability to dominate
the conceptual landscape. You know, not not just enforce you know,
strictures on what's considered to be an acceptable opinion, but
quite literally control the conceptual narrative, you know. I mean
people find that hard to believe now that that could
be done. But I mean think pre Internet. I think
when any media you can assume it's truly passive. You know,
you don't select the programming, and your your your access
to data really is limited to what you can find
at your local library, you know, or library system. But
it's interesting because I would have I would have thought
it would be the opposite within the bounded rationale of
or a visioness enterprise, a software business enterprise. Relating to
the Third Reich, I would have thought that the Nazi
Party would have been somehow rehabilitated in terms of oh,
these are just ignorant people or some such thing. But
you know, Hitler was this sort of evil songali type
who who's who swept them up. And in this you know,
sort of miasma of evil and madness, it's really kind
of the opposite. You know, a lot of these treatments
have a very very punitive view of the party and
of its loyalists, and they're certainly not friendly to Adolf Hitler,
but they they normalize him, and within the context of
historicists discussion of his life and times and and and
career as a war as a politician, and as a warlord.
Most recently twenty nineteen, this book Hitler at Global Biography
by Brendan Simms. This is an important book, and specifically
at dovetails with something I've written about rather extensively. That is,
it's my belief that Itolf Hitler believed America to be
his primary adversary. He believed Roosevelt was his personal enemy.
He believed in America was you know, new deal America,
you know, as as America had become constitutive if a
nine thirty three revolution. Hitler viewed that his permanent and
he wasn't wrong. He viewed America as the as the
as the foe of Europe, and uh, he viewed it
as this still essence of you know, kind of the
the the uh, like the Jewish perspective on on political life,
you know, and kind of like the penultimate expression of
of of of Jewish social engineering, you know, rit large
like people turn around and say, you know, you can't
say that, you know, the entire raison detra of the
NSDAP was was was anti Bolshevism, and its emergence owed
one hundred percent to you know, the emergence of revolutionary communism.
You know, so you can't discuss this discrete quantity, you know,
contra America that developed, according you know to geostrategic challenges
and ideological discourse somehow unrelated to that, you know, and
and and and and came to you know, identify America
as as as the primary adversary. I want to get
into my rebuttal to that today in terms of what
actually happened, you know, rather than counter factuals. And we're
gonna cover a little bit of familiar ground. But I
figured today you know, i'll kind of address you know,
I'll kind of present rebuttals to what I think on
the main objections to that perspective. I just I just
explained the second episode, the second part you know, well, uh,
we'll talk about Hitler contra Roosevelt and the kind of
direct hostile discourse between the two, you know, Roosevelt's radio
addresses and Hitler's radio addresses. They were they were obviously
in direct dialogue with each other, and it's fascinating. And
then finally, you know how I want to get into
some comparing, comparing and contrasting, you know, in direct kind
of in direct capacity, you know, of textual criticism, you know,
like the Sims book and books like RHS. Stolphie is
fantastic biographia. Hitler called Hitler beyond evil and tyranny and
John Toland, who I believe wrote the kind of seminal
buyer for Madolf Hitler. I part ways to them on
some claims, and we'll get into that later. Toland, I mean,
you know, and I know I know that he I
know that, I know that I'm Toland accepted some aspects
of court the court history, the court history narrative, and
the Nuremberg narrative that people find highly objectionable. But you know,
the astute for historical review when they were quite a
bit harder line. Are you leaving there today? You know,
like hosted him on multiple occasions the guy wasn't you know,
some milk toast And he wasn't you know some he was.
He wasn't just some some some national review type you know,
trying to trying to score points by you know, writing
an edgy book and you know, during the deton era
or something.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask the question before we go
on to Sims reference Hitler's second book A Lot. Yeah,
can you address the people who think that it is
not legitimate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because every day idiots tell me things are fake.
The girl's areas are fake, mine comp's fake. Hitler's second
book is fake. You know, Mike Dick is fake. The
moon landing is fake. The air we breathe is fake.
Like I was fucking retarded. I'm sick of it. Like
it's not it's not fake, you know, like at some
point people have to accept that reality is what it
appears to be, you know. And somehow, somehow the second
book tracks exactly what with Hitler related to confidence, particularly
you know, to Gebbels to uh has you know, long
before the most critical phases that war ensued. Obviously, you know,
things that he disclosed to Spear, who I Spear was
a real weasel, but he was. You know, that doesn't
mean you discount every single thing he said as being
as being some some self serving lie like at all
own it. I'm sure that sounded puerile, but like I I,
I am so sick of people just declaring things to
be faked, you know, like I it's it's like it's
like a mental illness or something, you know, people. That's
why I object to not for the tangent, but I
don't like the whole like red pill metaphor, because it's
like it's just it's just it's this idea that everybody's
kind of diddy bopping around like an idiot. Then they
come to some like special knowledge that like things are
what they appear to be, Like they all of a
sudden real that like maybe everything they see on CNN
isn't true, you know, and that's the rid pill. So
then if that they decided like literally everything on this
planet is fake, you know, like Hitler was fake. He
worked for Wall Street and the builder Bergs put him there,
and you know, World War two was fake, and then
the Cold War was fake, you know, so you know,
in the fake moon landing was part of the fake
Cold War that's it's it's it's really really really really stupid.
Like it's how it's how really stupid people kind of
like make sense of a world that confuses them. You know.
It's like these hood guys will claim that like he
heaps and treat fruit punch like makes you sterile, and
you're like, that doesn't make any sense, Like not a
dog it do it do? It's literally the same thing.
It's like just as fucking stupid. You know, they're okay, fine,
everything is fake. All right, I'm an idiot and everything's fake,
so don't watch.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's get into it.
Speaker 2: I think there's like Hitler in terms of his character
that's misrepresented by people like Alan Block, by people like
kersh uh really about kind of the seminal Like mainstream
historians of Hitler, they cast him as this kind of
provincial rube who was not an old worldly you know,
and you know kind of had no understanding of power,
political affairs outside of you know, this narrow corner literally
of the kind of of of the Hassery Empire where
he was raised. You know, this kind of this kind
of underdeveloped, you know, sort of failing by the time
he was born like monarchists, dinosaur, you know, that was
that was racked by like ethnic conflict and and things
and that kind of arcane political structures, you know, and
and and intrigues and dead as they're in. That's not
at all the case. It was very very rare for
people in Hitler's epoch to travel overseas, you know, like
for example, it was like a big deal when like
Wilson went to Europe. You know, Hitler himself also and
uh Is Kuzabek and and his sister Relayed. Hitler was
in love with like American stuff when he was like
when he was a little kid. Hitler's two passions were reading,
and he constantly would pour over maps with his colored pencils.
He was obsessed with geography and cartography and sketching out
with his pencils, you know, battle scenarios of you know,
the Napoleonic Wars and you know the Franco Prussian Wars
and like these great conflicts he'd read about. But he
loved reading about cowboys and Indians and like playing cowboys
and Indians. And something I found hilarious is, you know
the wheat Croft collection that that that eccentric englishman from
Central Casting Wheatcroft, who's got the most extensive collection of
third rite artifacts on this planet, from you know, like
Hitler busts to uh pans or tanks and everything in between.
I guess when the Berghoff was dynamited, there was still
the basement areas one could access and bergo and we
Croft and his buddy they went there. They repelled down,
you know, into the basement area. I mean, they're lucky
didn't collapse on them. And there was like a game
room there, you know, like I guess there was like this,
there was a bowling alley, but everywhere there was like
Coca Cola signs and like a Coca Cola vending machine.
And I guess we crossed buddies, Like wasn't this like
nuts and we cross Like No, Hitler loved Coca Cola.
You know, his favorite movie was King Kong. You know
he uh Hitler had fought the Americans, you know as
uh as uh as a Lonza in in the Reichs
and and in the Kaiser's Army. Okay, Hitler wasn't like
ignorant of America or something or like just viewed it
as you know, like in the way like some provincial European,
you know, full of sort of small minded and small
town of prejudice. His would and what he began saying
to his one time confident uh Putsi Hofstangle. Hofstangle was
one of the even after the even after the ram
Purge hop Stangle, he was one of the people who
was a you know, at least party adjacent, if not
you know, truly insinuated into the into the end of
the inner circleabal of fighters. You know, he was in
that orbit, and he'd speak freely to Hitler, and he
was constantly trying to sway Hitler away from viewing the
Soviet Union as something that had to be destroyed. And
Rosenberg hated him, and both men seem to think they
get somehow like sway the fewer of their perspective out
of Russia. You know, obviously Rosenberg this you know, violently
punitive view of Russia, which is totally understandable him being
a Baltic German. And Hoshtengle said to Hitler that, you know,
it would be a fool's error and for any you know,
for any for any world, or or any you know,
to to make war in the Soviet Union. You know,
that'd be an unwinnable war, and Hitler said no, no.
Hitler said, uh, that would be an essential war. An
unwinnable war would be against the United States. When it awakens,
the United States is going to rule this planet. You know,
I'm paraphrasing, but in the second book he talks about
how America possesses quite literally fifty percent of this planet's
you know, natural resources. Hitler himself had he had an
uncanny ability to take reams of data and take conceptual
and and take conceptual sets of data that don't really
lend themselves to you know, translating into inputs. And he
had this kind of way of understanding how these things
translate the power political variables, you know, both concrete and
behavioral and everything else. Hitler viewed the United States. Says,
this burgaining superpower unlike anything the world had ever seen.
And in terms of the American people, one of the
things Sims drives home and this makes me so happy,
because I've been saying this for ages, and people claim
it's like a quote quote unquote cope right apologia. Keitler
did not view the German people as some master race
as they existed in nineteen thirty three. He thought Germany
was in terrible shape. He said, you know, the thirty
years wore smashed Germany into pieces literally, you know. And
he's like, in sixteen forty eight, our population was scattered
to the four Wins. You know, we like lost who
we were, you know, like the best of our the
best of our mentioned material was was in the grave,
you know. And he's like, there was this kind of
like this. You had a bunch of uh, you know,
you had a bunch of people made war refugees who
had been made into like refugees, you know, who are
basically forcely assimilated into you know, by by the you know,
by by these by these slavonic peoples that they then
had to live among after being banned from banish from
their own land, you know. And he said, after that,
you know, Germany, even uh, even after unification, you know,
Germany is slightly smaller than Wyoming, you know, in power
political terms, Germany is a tiny country with no with
no natural resources, like all it has is its people.
And you know, from the turn of the nineteenth century
until the immigration reform Acts of nineteen twenty four, something
like five point nine million Germans had left in Germany
for the United States. You know, Hitler said like these
were our best people. You know, He's like, they were
the people who could survive a journey, you know, which
in those days was no small thing. You had to
be a robust person. You know. These are the guys
gonna handle, you know, like weathering poverty and terrible hardship
for years of need be to build something. You know.
These are the guys who weren't afraid to literally look
at a location on a map and say, I'm going
to travel thousands of miles away in some cases, you know,
and live on this new continent. You know. Hitler's like
what was left in Europe? You know, He's like or
people who were just like weaker in mind and spirit,
or people had been like left behind by history. It
goes on to say, and only to the fact, you know,
Hitler knew Americans. He fought them. He said, like, you know,
when I fought these people, when we fought these people,
you know, he's like, they're these large, robust people, you know,
and he's like compared to them, you know, he was
like real like this kind of like sinewy weaklings who
get knocked out by rifle fire. You know, He's like,
these guys could take shit to the chest and like
in some cases recover. You know, he's like it was,
He's like, we didn't stand a chance in nineteen eighteen
being bled white as we had like fighting like you know,
the American Army, you know, the book which in those
days was made up of a bunch of German people,
you know, by by race, if you want to look
at like that. Okay, So this was this was Hitler's perspective.
You know. It wasn't uh, America sucks. You know, it's weak,
it's misigenated. You know, the Germans are the best people
on earth. It was the opposite. It was we're dying out,
and the only way we cannot die out is through
this kind of top down process of pelagenesis, part of
which is spiritual, you know, part of which is is
historical in nature, you know, part of which is physical
and biological quite literally, you know, part of which is
a matter of social engineering. But of such a nature
that's going to have organic residents, and isn't you know,
just some sort of contrived isn't just some sort of
contrived political program, you know, like emerging from the minds
of of of you know, a of a of a
minute of an information ministry or something. So this is
where this is where Hitler was coming from. And I
want to add two. And Sims makes this point in
both mind comp and the second book. Hitler does not
He barely even mentions black people. He says that he
has some punitive things to say about the American South
because he said that importing he said, importing thousands or
millions of of of of Negro or Aboriginal slaves. He said,
that's called barbaric. You know, he didn't so much mean
it's like mean to enslaved people. And he didn't mean
that at all. Like he meant that, you know, having
this like massive slave population that's not as similable. You
know that in some places outnumbers you know, the you know,
the the master casts. I mean that there's literally perverse,
you know. And he uh, beyond that, and mind comp
he makes some passing reference to how, you know, they
kind of the kind of universality of cultural identity and
you know kind of like kind of like rudimentary religion,
no matter how primitive it can be, and it may be.
And he said that like, you know, people even see this,
and you know people even see this in the most
like primitive Negro tribe, you know, which was like shorthand
for like Afrians. So that's you know, I I mean,
like why is that important. It's not that it's so important,
but for years, not just the long proceeds like like
wokesm and kind of fake scholarship online, there's this like
narrative that like Hitler for no reason and had some
like demented hatred of blacks and like hated Jesse Owens.
And I mean that's like that's there's literally demented. But
that that was basically Hitler's musings in America kind of
like looking at at the strategic landscape when you know,
he became reix Chnsler that when mister Roosevelt took the
oath of office. So why was Hitler so fixated on Russia. Well,
there's the obvious exigence of you know, it being Germany
being situated on the Soviet frontier. You know, the communists
were an existential threat to the Germans, you know, the
uh there was a an inextricable aspect of anti communism
to national socialism. But the thing is the Germans, said
one in Germany. I mean, that's why Hitler was Hitler.
Hitler was a reichs Consler. You know. Some years later,
you know, they won in Spain, you know, like the
the Communists were losing in Western Europe. And the thing
with communism is that, you know, once it once, it
loses that kind of like revolutionary fervor, it don't it
doesn't come back. You know. That's why after World War Two,
you know, when one would think like, oh, you know,
like marcist Leminism is a zenith. You know, in the
Third World it was, but in Europe, like nobody they
it literally had to be imposed at the point of
a band, you know. So it's a it's a different thing,
you know. And uh so people will there another people
will raise the question then like well then why why
why was the War in the East literally declared to
be a rosen Krige, and why was it so brutal?
And why why why did the hit are formally distinguished
it from the War in the West. And I'll give
into this in a minute and declare that you know,
any German officer enlisted man in the East is immune
to prosecution for crimes against humanity, you know, and as
a contrary, you know, the the occupation of France or
nothing like that would be tolerated, you know, not not
even like by anybody. There's an interesting little factoid. I
think it's more than a factoid. I think it's fundamentally important.
There's this really interesting book. It's not my favorite books.
It's by this often named Prouden Prodden pr w D
I m. The Mongol Empire or the Mongols in their
Empire by Michael Prodden, which was a pen name. But
this book made the rounds in German academ you know,
in the in the I think the first I think
the first edition was published in nineteen twenty nine. If somebody,
if I'm wrong, somebody correct me. But people like among comparative,
people into like comparative social anthropology and cultural anthropology, people
into philology, particularly people into military science. They found us
to be a very important book. Heindrich Himmler became fixing
down this book at the at the SS younger schools.
It was a signed reading. Every SS officer, upon receiving
his commission, was given a copy of it. Jack and
Piper his uh, his term paper or his thesis. I
guess what he considered you know, his like bachelor's thesis
when he was when he was at SS Officer School.
It was on the Mongols, but it was it was
on a specific aspect of uh Mongol culture. That aspect
was something called the Yasa y a s s A.
Yasa was quite literally the law of the Mongol Empire.
But in the Mongol Empire, the law was literally kept
secret and it never made public. The Yasa had its
origin and wartime decrees. Later it was expanded, extrapolated from
these military conventions, you know, to include behavioral conventions, you know,
things relating to cultural things and and conjugal things and
and you know, disputes over property and things like this.
But it remained a secret. It was, but it's believed
and there's a very incomplete record of the Mongols in
terms of you know, their cultural practice and things. It's
believed that this was supervised by genghis Ka himself was
who appointed his adopted son Shigi Kutsu. It's kind of
a like like a high judge or like a lawgiver. Okay.
He appointed his second son, Shaga Tai Khan to oversee
the law as execution, you know, quite literally as lord
high executioner. Now, this idea of a body of law
that obviously one of the reasons for its secretiveness is
not just so that you know, the high lawgiver can
maintain this mystique and decrees therein and precedent can be
modified and applied selectively, but it also you know, it's
it also it also obviously he speaks of of of
believe in the divine origin, okay, the social order, and
of military endeavors, and of you know, the the function
of soldiery in and of itself. Okay, Piper wrote his, uh,
his his paper on Yasa, and you know, uh it
got glowing marks from his teachers, and Himler would Himler
Piper would periodically refer to Gengis Khan and Mongol concepts
just in the discussion of military affairs. This obviously like
loved really large in his mind. Okay. So what this
translates to is there was a belief that they're they're
they're quite ahead to be some sort of adjacent moral
ethos of you know, your vanguard soldiery, you know, and
that's what the SS was supposed to be. You know,
they were supposed to be a kind of they're supposed
to be kind of the reconstuted to Tic knights, but
they they were really kind of a it isn't a
perfect example, but they were almost, uh, you know, like
a jihad element, Okay, and some sort of integrated some
sort of integrated structure of you know, law and command
authority and theological small t theological imperatives is really what
something like that requires. And I'll get into that in
a minute, like why that is so important? Okay. A
couple things that stand out, A couple of instances, you know,
with people who discuss some command responsibility relating the relating
to the German war crimes and on genocide in the in
the Second World War. One of those instances is Himler's
posting speech. There's speeches in October ninety forty three where
Himmler addressed and assembled you know, the assembled higher SS
and police leaders and he's any openly stated stated we're
talking about we're talking about the the eradication of the
Jewish people. This was in nineteen forty three October, which
really shouldn't surprise anybody considering the state of things. Okay.
The second instance that they tend to raise, you know,
they raise it as is almost almost like a litigation attorney,
would you know an admission by a party opponent the
over Salzburg speech on August twenty second, ninety thirty nine,
which obviously was right, you know, it was the eve
of the assault on Polam. This American journalist Louis P.
Lockner just gets a little complicated. He contacted a diplomat
named Alexander Coms dot Kirk. He showed him the text
of this speech that Hitler had the Hitler at the
Hitler had delivered h to the assembled, over to the
to the assembled the brass at over Salzburg. In turn,
it was transmitted to the British diplomat George Ogilvy Forbes,
who of course made it public in British intelligence circles,
you know, almost immediately. And the belief almost certainly, or
the understanding almost certainly, was it was Wilhelm Canaris, the
chief of the advert who was the intelligence leak okay,
and he was he was present there, and it's interesting
for all kinds of reasons that this is what he
chose to really, this is what he chose to leak
in lieu of some other things over the because because
Canaris didn't leak everything and sometimes he did what was
what one will consider to be the patriotic thing to
do at critical junctures, like other times he was engaged
in catastrophic acts of treason as relays to you know,
the disclosure of what would be considered eyes only secrets.
But he has in may these documents, the documents considering
this speech, or at least the notes that constituted the speech,
as much as as much as our snitch who will
will accept as Canaris proffered to the allies, every every uh,
every exhibit profitent Nrberg was cataloged with a letter in
a number code. This the text of the speech. It's
his paragraph and number code is paragraph three of Exhibit
L three. It's it's I'll read irrelevant paragraphs. It's short.
This is Hitler speaking. Our strength consists in our speed
and in our brutality. Genghis Khan led millions of women
and children to slaughter with premeditation and a happy heart.
History season m solely the founder of a state. It's
a matter of indifference to me. With a week, Western
European civilization will say about me. I've issued the command.
I don't have anybody who utters but one word of
criticism executed by fire squad, that our war aim is
not consist in reaching certain lines, but in the physical
destruction of the enemy. Accordingly, I placed my death head
formation in readiness to the present only in the only
in the East, with orders to them to send death
mercilessly and without compassion. With sent with orders to them
to send to death merciless lead and without compassion, men,
women and children have polished the rivation and heritage be
Thus shall we gain the living space which we need? Who,
after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians.
That's that famous quote about the Armenians comes from. Okay,
So what is Hitler saying now, mind you, when he
talks about putting any insubordinate person of the firing squad,
he's saw having the men in uniform without exception. Okay,
So that's that's raconian, but it's appropriate, Okay, within the
commonly accepted laws and customs of war as uh. That
coupled with the Commissar order, couple with the Barbarossa decree,
you know which. Again I'm not going to read verbatim
word for word the text of those documents, but it
essentially stripped away any and all precedent relating, you know,
permissive or compulsory related to the laws and customs of
wars in sixteen forty eight, while acknowledging that in the
West these things would still be scrupulously honored and observed. Okay,
so what does that mean? What that means is that,
in practical terms, Hitler realized that in order to become
a superpower, Germany had to annihilate everything east of the
order that was not reconcilable with the German ambition, you know,
of conquering, of conquering a land mass essentially from uh,
from the Atlantic Ocean, you know, to uh, the Earls
and perhaps beyond. There's no way that one can reconcile
that ambition. And there's no way that one can imagine
a strategy, grand strategy that doesn't entail some variant of
that whereby Germany survives. You know, it's I mean, if
you want to and you know, keep in mind too,
like you know, you know, Prussia was populated when the
Prussians conquered it. You know, these uh, these these winds,
they there were people somebody adjacent to you know, the
pagan Baltic tribes, you know, who who some of the
later crusades were waged against. You know, this was this
was a wild land. But you know, the this precedent
within the German cultural and military psychology for this, and
you know, it's like it's like saying, you know, people
saying like, oh, you know, it's it's laughable to say that.
You know, the Hitler viewed America is the adversary of Europe,
you know, when he was talking about putting you know,
entire countries to the sword in the East. It's really
not man, I mean, it's the the US. You know,
did during the Creek War did uh did did people
view the United Kingdom as uh as a greater existential
threat to America or you know, or the Comanche. You know,
one thing is related to the other because you know,
if you're fighting quite literally a war against two discrete populations,
you know, there's there's there's there's gonna be some sort
of weighing of you know, the relative threat potential of both.
But the idea that you know, the willingness to exterminated
people in lieu of abiding the laws and customs of war,
it's pre efficient evidence that those people are you know,
your worst enemy. That's not conceptually, that's not how high
politics works the theory are we Are we saying that
today on the news every day? Yeah, yeah, exactly. The
you know, there's also too, there's not we don't think
of Germany as a colonial power, you know, during the
second wave of colonialism, but they were, you know, and
then arguably contextual preducts too. Is the Herrero uprising in
nineteen oh four in German Africa. General Lothar Monrotha there
was this uprising obviously of of these Herrero tribesmen and
they were they they were driven out and chased into
the into and into the cold, into this adjacent territory
of the Kalahari Desert, you know, which was uh which
was a waste land, okay, Montroda. He had them locked
down and he in any any refugees who tried to
access water were shot. So when Troth and his men
were quite literally hunting these people to extinction in the desert,
Charte himself referred to the order he was, the order
that he issued regarding the treatment of these people and
not distinguishing, you know, between between persons, you know, just
like you know, regardless of sex, age, ability to bear arms,
overall health. You know, they were all to be killed
so called very next Clumbus baffle quite literally an annihilation
order or annihilation command, and his words the quote, the
hero are no longer German subjects within the German border.
Every hero was shot with her without rifle, with without care.
I take no more wives and child, no child. I
take no more wives and no children. I drive them
back to their people, or let them be shot. You know.
I mean, that's uh, incredibly hard words from a hard man.
But the you know, I realize I'm jumping around a lot.
I hope that doesn't. I hope that that's not you know,
rendering this ole page.
Speaker 1: You'll bring it back home.
Speaker 2: We got it right, the uh to bring it back
the sims And I tell you, you know, I make
the point about Hiller being Hitler was a political gambler,
but he's militarily cautious. And that's a stuffy point as well.
We'll get into some of that too, because it's significant
to kind of like the the myth versus reality of
Adolf Hitler. But something, something that something that uh is
uh is undeniable, is that Hitler was several steps ahead
of his generals. I don't think anybody in an Okay,
in the ok W had a truly developed sense of
the political in the way that Hitler did. Okay, in
generals for the most part don't. That's something is it's
crazy to me people these days in this country act
like generals, you know, understand power political affairs, and that
it's it's perfectly legitimate for them to have opinions on policy,
like you know, the army has no policy. But it's
also and this isn't me trashing military men. They they
they you know, in concrete particulars and every kind of discreets.
You know, it's a it's remarkably complicated but a very discrete,
you know, sort of a sphere of action. You know,
they don't generally have a great understanding of the political
impactfulness of military activity, nor how political occurrences index and
milatary military activity. I mean most people don't, but you know,
General's especially this stands out contraary Hitler. Hitler could look
at a political situation and at burgeting crisis and generally
discern what was developing, you know, four or five proverbial
moves ahead, like that's what the game of chess is Okay,
Like I I went to a phase. I was playing
a lot of chess as a kid, and like I
read all the chess books and stuff. Then I found out,
like I love pool, you know and hears. But you
know what these with these chess masters can do. Like
like there's this movie about like Bobby Fisher that was
you know Peope. Now he's like a persona on Grada
because he's like anti Semitic or he said something nice
about Serbia or something, but he's you know, he was canceled.
But there's this movie about Bobby Fisher and you know
kind of like his life as this you know, child
prodigy and the way they portray it. I realized we've
got to portray things in a certain way in film
and make it compelling, but especially if it's a cerebral
process you're trying to convey to the audience. But the
way these the way these high level chess kids are
like playing, it's almost like a shootout. You know, Like
Fisher like moves his night you know, then like the
other kid like Perry's almost and moves his Bishop. It's
not how like top level chess masters played. They're like
they're like five moves ahead, you know, and they're and
and they're they're figuring out the best way to facilitate
like that end game. You know, then I've already seen
and like if that potentiality collapses, it's like, okay, you
know there are this there's said they're rapidly reorienting towards
you know, another outcome that's like five moves ahead. You know.
That's and that the same thing with the game theory.
You know, if you want to fight and win a
nuclear war, I don't I want to get into the
debate about like, you know, can win a nuclear war?
There's an ethical judgment and also like yes you can,
but it depends on what the victory metric is. And
that's that's uh that that's not an absolute criteria. But
point being, if you're gonna fight and win a nuclear war,
you you basically have to be three steps ahead. Okay,
you can't. You can't be rendering decision, you know, in
the in the moment and waiting for way, waiting for
the variables to reveal. But uh so Hitler, Hitler realized
that god damn one thing, I lost my train of
thought as I'm still like not a one hundred percent. Oh,
Hitler took on December one, uh, you know, right, just
on December eleventh, and we'll get into this next time.
That was that was Hitler's speech to the Reichstag, you know,
where he announced that the declaration of war against the
United States. This was also you know, as the assault
on Moscow was was was was failing, like catastrophically. Hitler
a famous Nations of the Order, you know, the Army
group center, don't you dare retreat? And this is characterized
as like Hler being you know, like this madman. But
Hilo was a salvage. Uh what remained of the operation
because Moscow had to fall in December or all was lost. Okay,
And I believe he knew that on some level, and
everything I think subsequent was an anti climax. But apparently
apparently ok W over you know, Bermont high command. This
was when w Chief Operations Walter Varlamont, he contacted Yodel
and said, you know who was then a who was
then chief of operations of OKW Arland, you know, said
you know, can you have you heard of the fear
is that declared war in America? You know? Yodel said yes,
and according to Varlo Mont, like Yodel is like white
is a sheet, you know, it said that. You know,
now the the you know, the the general stab is
charged with you know, no way to examine where where
the United States is like mostly going to employ the
bulk of our forces initially, whether it's the far East Europe,
and we can't take further decisions until that has been clarified.
Villamont replied, well, he said, this is obviously a necessary consideration,
you know, commissioning this analysis. But he said, you know,
he said, this is mad. We've never been considered a
war against the United States, and we have no data
on which to base this examination. We can hardly undertake
this job. Just like that. Hitler fired for Elman what
he heard of this and said he never wanted to
see him again or speak to him. Hitler sidelined Yodel,
and Hitler said, you know what, I'm making myself a
chieve a staff of ok w Hitler said, there's nothing,
he said, there's nothing that like he said, there's nothing
like a general, a staff officer, a feld Marshall can
teach an army. What what he can do is he
can educate them politically, you know, and he can explain
to them what needs to be done by inundating them
with an understanding of the stakes they're in. Now again
people turn around to say, like that meglomaniac Hitler, like
he appointed himself chief of okw Well you know what
he did by doing that? Everything that went wrong. Now
Hitler could not issue responsibility for okay, from that point forward,
he couldn't blame the generals or the army for sabotaging anything.
Or it seems like the play of a man who
was trying to avoid responsibility or take on offices you know,
symbolic or or wielding actual authority, you know, for the
sake of for the sake of glory. But part of
Hitler's rage here, you know, it was against Varlomont. It
was what the hell you're talking about? Like, the whole
reason we're doing this is because America is going to
destroy us. You know, we don't survive unless we become
a superpower. You know, we don't survive unless we can
compete on at least conditions to parody with the United States,
you know, and fortify you know, fortify the Western the
Atlantic Wall, and such depth that it's essentially suicide to
assault it, you know, and and sort of force America
to accept UH our hegemony over the continent and Central
Asia west of the Uralls, just as you know, everybody's
every you know, all other all rival sovereign powers are
are you know, must accept Americas to Germany pursua for
the them in Roe doctrine. And that was uh, that
was Hitler's thinking, you know, it's his exact words. It's
were this little, this little affair of operational command is
really something anybody can do. The commander in chief's job
is to train the army in the national socialist idea,
and I know of no general who could do that.
Is I want it done. For that reason, I've taken it.
I've taken command of the army myself. The European winner
of nineteen forty one. In the forty two was, uh
was the coldest the twentieth century. There's rarely temperatures of
forty nine below fahrenheit, just just horrible conditions to fight.
And you know, but again it's the UH. Germany was
racing the clock, you know, it wasn't just Stalin planned
to assault the German Reich. Absolutely, but even with that
not the case, you know, Germany had to survive. Germany
had to they had to win in the East before
America was able to was able to accomplish full mobilization.
And the Rainbow five document, which was leaked, you know,
for years, it was blamed on poor hap Arnold deliberately
I believe, by intelligencelement the United States. But but the
entire league in the Rainbow five document was to convince
Berlin and specifically Hitler, that America could reach full mobilization
potential and deploy in both the Pacific and the European
battle theater. You know, with the they basically pushed it back,
push it forward a year in in in you know,
control was actually possible, you know, and Hitler saw the
writing on the wall, and that's why it's laughable. And
you know, I mean it raised this again because we're
talking about like the real Hitler here and and his
ambitions as well as his character is warlord. But there's
this idea that you know, Hitler declared war in the
United States for no reason or because he was a
crazy man, or because he wanted he wanted to quote
distract people from the looming failure in the East, which
makes no sense whatsoever. But it's you know, I the
United State has already declared war on Germany. The fact
though on December eleven, or I'm on September eleventh, another
US September eleventh, ninety forty one, when you know, the
Department of the part the War Department declared that any
any German flagship UH in the North Atlantic encountered by
American vessels will be destroyed, you know. So that's that's
in strategic terms and political terms, all this, I mean,
all this coalesces into you know, an inevitability that you know,
an American global superpower means that Germany parishes and Germany
is Europe, and Europe is Germany, and power political terms
such that we're I sent in the twentieth century, you know.
And that's that's another thing too. And we'll get into
this as as we get into some of the second book.
This some of the substance stuff in the second book Hitler.
Hitler viewed the Soviet Union. It's kind of a Frankenstein's monster,
where there was this revolutionary cadre piloting the proverbial head
that without that kind of firm control on the other
machinery of that monstrous head, you know, the entire the
entire set of Golam just just it collapses, you know,
or perhaps it's hijacked by you know, socialist nationalists, Russian
elements obviously, you know, like like mister Yaki predicted as well.
But that doesn't m But you know, the nascity globalism,
which everybody understood, is what underlay the Second World War
and power political developments both preceding it and intrinsic to
the conflict itself. Everybody realized that, you know, the the
advantage in terms of what would structure like what system
would structure the planet, like went to America. You know
what the Union had going for it was military, you know,
so there's that too. And obviously this was you know,
pre atomic age, so that didn't teach into the equation.
But let me see what I'll say. There's something else
I think I want to do. Mention. Yeah, well, uh again,
I'm sorry, I mean kind of scattershot. I'm still I'm
still not one hundred percent. We'll get into the brass
tax of We'll get into the brass tax of. Still,
if he's characterization of Hitler, the Sims book will get
directly into some of the Sims claims, and you know,
there will be kind of a a comparative retrospective, you
know on these kinds of soft revisionist views of of
the fear, like what they have in common with you know,
in terms of in terms of historical agreement and what
they don't. And then maybe, uh, maybe we'll conclude, you
know with discussing told a little bit more and you
know kind of like the personal side of Hitler and
how that's been that that's that's been kind of more
more addressed, more and more and more mature and sober
way as well, which makes sense because what we're godless
feel we're as about anyone feels about a giant historical personage,
it's you know, his personal life such that it exists,
and then given cases, is essential understanding the man. And
that's uh, that's all I got. Like I said, sorry
if I if I wasn't up to snuff. I'm still
getting over my last about of a hutod misery.
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Speaker 1: All right until part two? Thank you, Thomas, Yeah, man,
thank you. I want to welcome everyone back to the
Pecana Show Back from the road, Thomas seven seven seven.
Are you doing, Thomas, I'm.
Speaker 2: Going well, man, Yeah it was. It was a very
good trip. And West Virginia is a fascinating place and
it's a really it's just really interesting part of the country, man.
And it's still America is so big. There's still like
a lot of there's a lot of differences between places,
you know, on the ground, like at the local level,
and that that was no exception. Like I went to
this guy's Like there's this guy like an antique like
junk shop, and what he looked just like he like
he literally just looked like some a horder like sitting
in a garage or the things like what he was
he was like selling the shitty hordes. And uh, there
was some like fascinating stuff there, some of which was
like not remotely politically correct.
Speaker 1: There when you get to the South. When you get
to the South, you can find a lot of places
like that.
Speaker 2: Well fastating Like Buddy Damon, who was from a shy town,
he uh he found this. Uh he found this menu
from a Picaninnies rest runs. Uh. It's like a it
was on like a you know, like it was like
it was like a menu that's like also like a
mask you know, in in front of your face, like
uh the right player leading correct defection of uh I
guess a pick and then eat and then like we
look at the back and it was uh it was
it was from a freaking location that was on like
West Madison in Chicago, like back in the day. I'm like, wow,
it's wild. But uh yeah, all that all that kind
of stuff that people, I guess, I kind of stuff
that makes like redditors like soil their painties with like
outrage and shock or something like whoa, just whoa this
used to exist Like uh but that I mean, you
find some pretty weird shit like here, you know in Chicago,
like that d DR helmet that's like an original like
Volks PULITZI like M fifty six helmet I totally I
found this like random antique shop and there's this old
lady's like, oh that's my husband stuff. It's give me
like thirty dollars for it, So like yeah, bet, but
but I mean, you know, it's like I saw it's
like weird in an entirely different way. And but we
went to this like really good barecue place. Like my
guts weren't bringing means it's got a pepsi but uh,
it was just it was literally like these two trailers
and like this guy, uh, this like boss hog looking
guy like working at grill and like uh and then yeah,
like a couple of like picnic tables. It's like an
eating area and like it's like this is fucking nuts.
You know. I cash only of course. So yeah, uh,
like Rustic America lives on at least in West Virginia's
that's good to see. Man. I spend so much time
in like big cities, you know, I uh and and
being like in places you know, like Baltimore suburbs like
DC or it's like damn, man, like's everything been like
homogenized into into a big like Walmart. So it's it's
good to see that ship. Yeah, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, growing up in the city and now living where
I live. It's when I go to the city now
that I'm like, what the hell's going on here? I
don't really know. I want to go Yeah, I want
to go back to the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the country is dope. But I'm a Slickers,
so like I can't permanently leave. I like, uh, I
can only survive like in this ecology or something like
I don't know, like too much wholesomeness and clean air.
It might like kill me.
Speaker 1: But all right, man, Part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I something I think I need to emphasize. And
like I said, like the reason I discussed primarily the
Sims biography of Hitler from twenty seventeen last time, when
I said Roosevelt was Hitler's primary was Hitler's mortal enemy.
Like people must understand what I'm saying. That's not you know,
people kind of accept mainstream narratives. They're like, oh, yeah,
you know Hitler was anti American. No no, no, no,
that's not what I'm saying. And it's not Hitler didn't
cove it. I mean, Hillar definitely was practicing like Velt's
politique and uh like gross wrong politique. But I mean
this idea like oh, hilar had American sites on ground
to some ambition for you know, like like world domination.
That's ridiculous too, I mean for no other reason. I
mean ridigulous conceptually. But Germany. Germany is a country. It's
smaller than Wyoming, Okay, I mean it's just not. And finally,
you know, like I said in one of our earlier series,
I cited Hannah Rent it was an interesting thinker for
a few reasons, but one of uh in her book
The Origin of Sutalitarianism, which is a stupid title because
that sounds like just some kind of boiler plate you know,
kind of like dummy academia type work product of the
kind that came out of the era. But it's actually
a really insightful book. And you know, she was an
actolte a heigha girl. It may have been like a
romantic partner of his, but you know, she's not making
the point that like Hitler wasn't a nationalist and then
like German nationalism was dead, you know, and the you
don't understand national socialism and you don't understand the move
Hitler was making if you don't understand that he was
thinking in terms of like the superpower age, you know,
and to survive, Europe had to be able to capture
you know, the land and racesources that it needed in
order to in order to mobilize into into a superpower.
You know, like the future belonged to the United States
and the Soviet Union and and their respective ideology, because
unless Europe could find a way to survive. And also,
you know, Roosevelt was Roosevelt due to Hitler as his
as his adversary. You know, the New Deal regime, it
was a revolutionary regime in all kinds of ways in
terms of its values and underlying philosophies, but it base
also the framework for globalism, at least conceptually, was being
laid by the ideologies of the day, and the New
Deal was no exception. And if another reason, you know,
like we've told we haven't really talked about this here,
and it's it's outside the scope. But like the Great Depression,
I I don't think it's mysterious. I mean, I think,
like I've said before, like Murray Rothbard's book on it,
I think it's the best treatment. And Joseph Schumpeter his
his his, his magnum opus business cycles was the huge undertaking.
It's like two volumes. It's incredibly complicated, but that kind
of explains over time how such things can occur at scale.
But I mean it was basically a cash drout and
it owed the absence of an integrated banking structure. Okay,
I don't want to get a debate about like whether
banking is evil or not, like the guys say, like
banking on their brain or like cockroaches, like they'll infest
like a discussion and then they won't shut the fuck
up because they think bankers pissing their corn flakes. I
don't want to talk about that. But what's what's what's
inarguable though, is that, however you fall on the issue
of you know, fiat currency in that entirere kind of
category of of economics, you know, like like finance economics
and monetary economics, it was clear that you know, not
just for not not just not just owing to you know,
conceptual and political reasons, but for structural reasons, you know,
like globalism was was going to take shape somehow, so
you're you're going to become a superpower or die. And
you know, Roosevelt obviously owing to an affinity for the
Soviet Union, but also viewing doing Europe as as as
basically America's like primary adversary. I mean that that's perverse
for a lot of reasons, but within the kind of
internal logic of of like the New Deal ideology, I mean,
it makes sense. All Right, I'm gonna started. I want
to talk a little bit about Hitler's December eleventh speech
to the I mentioned that before. It's tremendously important. Okay,
for a long time. We're gonna talk about that. We're
gonna talk about Roosevelt's radio address in nineteen thirty eight,
which was a direct challenge to Hitler, and then Hitler
surprised everybody Hitler. Hitler directly responded to Roosevelt point by point,
and the consensus was that he utterly destroyed him and
like made him look like a fool. And the thing
about Hitler was that Hitler wasn't a normal politician. He
wrote all his own speeches, he didn't have speech writers,
despite the fact that he kind of founded the modern
political campaign. Like, Hitler wasn't going around taking public opinion
polls and like worrying about optics. You know, he put
a premium on presentation and elon and a certain esthetic
you know that would obviously animate people and kind of
stir their passions. But in terms of the content of
what he'd say, he he was basically like he was
behaving like some kind of evangelical preacher almost you know.
Everything came back to like the European cause and like
the Natil Socials revolution, and these are ambitions. You know,
this is what we have to do. You know, this
is this is this, this can't be compromised. You know,
these are the core principles, you know, like it was
never Oh I'm talking. I'm talking you know, the German
labor front, you know, so I'm gonna I'm gonna pretend
to be a worker or like you know now I'm
talking to the I'm talking to you know, men who
represent the textiles industry. So I'm gonna pretend you know
that they're gonna get subsidies if they beck me and
you know, put money in the calls like ship like
that didn't even figure into the equation. Okay, Roosevelt, I
think thought Hitler was was a politician. I don't think
I don't think Roosevelt had a real interest in the
rest of the world, you know, like he was worldly
in the way that like the kind of the the
old like Brahmin cast here was. But he you know,
it's like Hitler was a polymath until his until Hitler's
i'd say, before night and forty, you know, when hilar
really started deteriorating in terms of his health and everything.
Hitler didn't do anything all day but consumed data, you know,
like out of gunch famously related. He's like, you know,
during during OKW briefings, like somebody would misstate the caliber
of like an artillery piece, or like the specs of
like an armored vehicle, and Hiller would correct him, and
then like somebody would go check you know, in the
in the in the in the tech manual and realize
like Hitler was right, you know, like he he was
he was uh so, I mean Hitler he had a
weird rep for being, you know, a rep for being
a weird bohemian who like slept late and stayed up
late and had weird habits, which he did. But during
his waking hours, everything Roosevelt said publicly Hitler paid attention
to and took seriously, like everything Churchill said publicly, like
everything that Soviet Union was doing. You know, he was
studying it, you know, like he was, that's all he did.
You know. So this idea that Roosevelt of like grandstanding
and and he issued this kind of like dummy polemic
you know about you know, Hitler being a threat to
world peak something in that like that would just be
allowed to stand, Like that's that's laughable. But we're gonna
go backwards it bit because like I said, I think
the starting point should be the Reichstek speech, because people
don't understand why. First of all, that the Reichstek speech,
it was never translated in English and full until the
nineteen eighties. Sometimes like the New York Times ran a
fake translation like full of Hitler saying crazy things like
about he wanted to conquer the world and full of
this kind of like vitrol against Jews and stuff. That's
not what was said. And I came across the full
like accurate translation and it was a dude for historical
review stuff sometime in the nineties. But you know it's something,
uh it's not. I mean, the speech was. It was
significant for a few reasons. First of all, it was
Hitler announced that we were up formingly at war with
the United States as my declaration of war. And despite
what people claim, you know, like I said before, America
was waging war on the Third Reich for years, and
then three months previously, the US Naval Commanded declared that
they were gonna they were gonna fire on any any
German flag ship they encountered, and then North Atlantic and
then and then and then it was also declared that
America's the contiguous zone to America's territorial waters was considered
to be our essential defensive concord stretched from stretch all
the way to Greenland and and and uh so, I
mean it was just basically like America said, like anything
in the Atlantic Ocean with the German flag, we're going
to kill. Okay, you know, you don't get to turn
around and then say like, oh, the Germans are making
war on us. But so there was that. And also
it's interesting because you know Hitler. Hitler fought American infantry,
and like I said in the Sims book, he talked
about how like the Americans are better than us, and
Key weighs, Yeah, he wasn't some like dummy chauvinists at all,
and he said, you know, he he was big into Americana.
He loved King Kong, he love Coca Cola. He read
Western books all the time, like well history as well
as like Pulps. When he was a kid. I mean,
he he knew America and like what it was about.
You know. So this idea that he he just had
some kind of like haughty disdain or that he was
like some some hick from the sticks who didn't understand
power political scale is ridiculous. But it's also too you know.
The Wilson's intervention is what really changed the war. And
it wasn't just mean I mean, they changed the outcome
of the war, you know. So, I mean, any any
American president was going to loom large in the mind
of you know, a guy served as as a as
a frontline Lonzo, even if he wasn't you know, politically
engaged you a littlee the man who's you know, entur
of life as politics. So there was a couple of
key there's a couple the Speech of the Rights today again,
it was Thursday. It was over a Thursday afternoon, December eleventh,
nineteen forty one, four days after the Japanese assault in
Pear Harvard. Obviously it was an eighty eight minute speech,
which for Hitler was long. It uh, he'd written in himself,
as he wrote everything himself. He explicated, he explicated why
the state of the status of forces in in on
the os Front, you know, which by then, um, the
assault on Moscow was in the process of failing, so,
I mean, a crisis was looming. So Hitler emphasized, you know,
the the victories to that point, I mean, which were massive,
you know, But mainly he talks about America, you know,
like he doesn't he doesn't mention Stalin at all. He
talks about the Soviet Union and how the Soviets, the
Soviets acted in bad faith. He's like, we signed a
non aggression packed because you know, we had no illusions
that the Bolsheviks are our mortal enemies. But he said,
we believe that they wanted peace, at least for the
time being. He says that when it became clear to me,
he said, it became clear to me that their attentions
were were were a hostile when they when they immediately
opened up diplomatic channels with the coup in Yugoslavia ninety
forty one, which Yugoslavia was key to Jeremy's ability to
deploy in depth obviously, and the coup was a was
it was for all frederical purposes with a Chetnik coup, okay,
you know. And Hitler said subsequently, you know, the Red
Army is deployed offensively on our frontier. He said, only
a full wouldn't realize the implications of you know, twenty
thousand tanks and you know, dozens of divisions, you know,
a raid on the eastern frontier. I mean, so he
said that war was forced on us. But you know,
there's an inevitability to this paradigm. Anyway. He talks about
Churchill as being kind of just like a pathetic cipher
of of the focus, which he was. But the rest
of it, he talks about Roosevelt, and he talks about America.
You know, that's what the bulk of the speech is
dedicated to. You know, like while again German forces are
actively engaged at the gates of Moscow and across you know,
a two thousand mile front, you know, literally the greatest
battle in human history. And Hitler's talking about Roosevelt in America,
you know, not and that that's apropos, you know, he
he basically outlined he well, first he starts out as saying, like,
you know, look, he was like, we made repeated peace
overtures to London, one of the last of which actually
divided the war cabinet and almost cost uh, you know,
the Churchill and government. It's mandate. Quoting Hilary says already
in nineteen forty, it became increasingly clear from month to
month of the plans of the men in the Kremlin
were aimed to the domination and the destruction of all
of Europe. I already told the nation that building a
Soviet Russian military power in the East during a period
when Germany he had only a few divisions in the
provinces bording Soviet Russia. That's true, continuing, only a blind
person could fail to see that the military build up
a unique world historyld dimensions is being carried out. This
is not in order to protect something that's being threatened,
but rather only to attack that which was incapable of defense.
Because people in this country to this day, I have
this idea of Germany as being this kind of you know,
almost almost this kind of I think they advanaged, almost
like the Soviet Union is presented in Rocky for or something.
But again Germany was this it's a country smaller than Wyoming,
you know, and for context too, and Hiller gets into
some of this. I'm not going to read a word
for works, it would be pedantic. But you know, the
issue of Czechoslovakia, as we got into in one of
our earlier series, Czechoslovakia was the most artificial of states.
Bene's literally had no mandate to rule. Roosevelt and his
press corps presented it when very rapidly the bulk of
a Czechoslovak territory came under German dominion. As I'm sort
of like threatening Ledgard Maine, you know, leading like the
kind of bullying occupation of a sovereign country. That's not
remotely what happened. Her contexts to Prague is as the
girl flies two hundred and two hundred miles from Berlin.
I mean, think about that. I think it was uh,
I think it might have been a hass he said.
The Jigo Slovak state is a contrivance and it literally
is like a knife like pointed at the heart of Germany,
which is true. It came into existence through the French
needed some sort of ally in the east in in
order to stage you know, assault operations from and in
the in the era of military aviation which was then
burgening at pace. Like the implications were obvious, okay, but
because it may like, as we discussed, the Sudton Land
was ceded to the Reich, which was overwhelmingly German. After that,
Father Tiso and uh, the Slovax seceded from the Czechoslovakian Union.
I mean at that point it was a foregrong conclusion.
Like what I mean, that's like saying that's like saying
like East Germany should have Like it was a tragedy
that East Germany ceased to exist. I mean, like I
what I still this day, I don't understand, Like what
the proposed alternative was it should they should the British
have assaulted Czechoslovakia to force it to exist, Like I don't.
That's not that's not how political realities work. It's it's
literally asinine. But moving on, Hitler continues by saying he
essentially says what Suberov echoed later, that the rapid conclusion
of the war in the West, you know, May to
June nineteen forty, meant that that that changed things in
terms of you know, Moscow strategic perspective, they couldn't count
on They counted on the They counted on the right
either exhausting its offensive capabilities rapidly and not being able
to reconstitute, you know, for for months, if not years,
or some sort of quagmi or stalemate setting in you
know whereby whereby the only where where where by? Germany
had nothing to deploy in depth in the East other
than uh, you know, maybe like a skeleton prove of conscripts,
which would make for you know, easy pickings the you know,
thus super Raw's icebreaker descript or you know, let the
let's let the German rike, you know, break the proverbial
ice of what remains of capitalist power in the continent,
you know, and then the Red Army will assault and
take it all. And that stuff that reached the Atlantic
mostly again to me, are some what Hitler says about
his worldview. I'm quoting Hiller now. At about the midpoint,
he says, what is Europe? There is no geographical definition
of her continent, but only an ethnic national the word
he uses vocalish and cultural one. The frontier this continent
is not that rural mountains, but rather rather the line
that divides the western outlook on Lighte from that to
the east. Now, if you look at a map, and
I don't know if people spend time with maps anymore,
I mean, just looking at maps, Europe's an indefensible rump peninsula.
You know, it's not there's not a Sahara desert or
an Appalachian mountain range between Europe and the other. It's
somewhat amazing that Europe existed at all, you know, really,
and it's it's essentially starret of natural resources. You know,
Europe's very beautiful in terms of its vistas and things,
but it's basically a wasteland if you're talking about tertiary
economic capital and things like that. Okay, So that points
while taken, you know, Europe's an idea. You know, Europe's
not subs are in Africa. Europe's not you know, East Asia.
Europe's not North America. You know, like Europe only exists
as like it's it's the mentioned material and the several
cultures that constituted Hillarine proceeds to break down his view
of you know, kind of like European origins or like
Aryan origins. Okay, and again, as I said before, Aryan
wasn't some scare word that's philologists that that was like
what does the term they used? Okay, and it's not.
It's been appropriated by some dummies, but as well as
you know the usual suspects, you know, like commi's hysterical,
s poc types, like other other other shit bigs. But
it's not. It's not an idiot. It's not an ideologically
loaded word. You know, it shouldn't be. And I find
I find Indo European to be clungy unless you're ill
linguist and you're simply talking about, you know, kind of
the nuances of linguistic development. We're talking about like an
actual culture of people like Aryan is appropriate. Okay. It
was stated at one time Europe was confined to the
Greek Isles with a flame first burned that slowly but
steadily enlightened humanity. And when these Greeks fight against the
invasion of the Persian conquerors, they did not just defend
their own home, small homeland, which was Greece, but also
the concept that is now Europe. And then the spirit
you're shifted from Hellos to Rome. Roman thought and Roman
state craft combined with Greek spirit and Greek culture. An
empire was raided, the importance and creative power of which
has never been matched, much less surpassed, even to this day.
And when the Roman legions defended Italy in three terrible
wars against the attag occurred that Troman Africa and finally
battled the victory. In this case as well, Romean fought
fought not just for herself, but also for the Greaco
Roman world that then encompassed Europe. The next invasion against
the home soil of the new culture of humanity came
from the white expanses of the East. A horrific storm
of culture was horror from the center of Asia, poured
deep into the heart of the European continent, burning, ravaging
and murdering a true scourge of God. On the Catalonian fields,
Roman and Germanic men fought together for the first time
in a decisive battle of tremendous importance for a culture
that had begun with the Greeks, passed on to the Romans,
and then encompassed the Germanic peoples. Europe had matured. The
occident arose from heuse in Rome and for many centuries
its defense with the task not only the Romans, but
above all of the German people. What we call Europe
is the geographic territory of the Occidans, enlightened by Greek culture,
inspired by the powerful heritage of the Roman Empire. It's
territory and large by German colonization, or was the German
efforts fighting back engaged in from the east or on
the Strut or on the Lechfeld plane or others pushing
back Africa from Spain or a period of many years.
It was always a struggle in developing Europe against a
profoundly alien outside world. There's this heavy stuff for uh,
for for a consler or a president or a prime minister. Okay,
I mean I I think that goes without saying. And
it's not it's it's not just it's it's it's not.
It's not just like hyperbole or can polemic of the
kind that they you know of that was common to
the nationalist era or whatever. It kind of dismissive suggestion
is favored by cored academics of these days. And also
what he's saying, what he said was inarguable, like all
those things are true, you know what. And then and
we'll get to the meat of the kind of Roosevelt
the challenge countra versalt in a minute, but he goes
on to say specifically that you know, we're now engaged
in a war for our civilization against another terror from
the east. And this is only this is only possible
owing to the you know, the volunteers from Croatia, from Italy,
from Spain, you know, from Norway, from Denmark, from France.
You know, this is a European war. There are no
more Germans, there are no more Norwegians, there are no
more Frenchmen. You know, this is the battle of the
Oxten and for survival against the Barbarian Asiatic horde. And
you know, the Jewish capitalist ideology that's facilitating its attack
on us, you know, exemplified by mister Roosevelt. That's and
he concludes kind of the summation, I like the strategic
situation by saying, you know, this is what happens on
these battlefields is going to resonate for five thousand years,
you know, and Europe will not survive unless it's victorious,
you know, And again I mean that that's an arguable too.
You know, you don't you don't have to be a
Hitler partisan to accept that how anybody can kind of
contradict that reality anymore? And you know, kind of Parather
refrains that, you know, Hitler is the double and this
kind of like Life magazine perspective of the condition of
the occident, you know, the circa nineteen forty one. I
don't know how people can possibly think that way, but
I mean people people think all kinds of crazy things.
And now here's the meat of what we're of. What
I want to emphasize, quote Hitler says, and now let
me speak about another world when I was represented by
a man likes to chat nicely at the fireside while
nations and their soldiers fight in the snow and ice.
Above all, the man who is primarily responsible for this war,
speaking of Franklin denwoll Roosevelt. Obviously, it continues with regard
to German's relationship with America, the following should be said.
Germany is perhaps the only great power which is never
in a colony in either North or South America, nor
is it otherwise been politically active there, Apart from the
emigration of many millions of Germans with their skills, from
which the American continents originally the United States has only benefited.
In the entire history of the development in existence the
United States, the German Reich has never been hostile or
even politically unfriendly towards the United States. To the contrary,
many Germans against their lives to defend the USA. That
is true, The German Reik has never participated in wars
against the United States, except in the United States went
to war against it in nineteen seventeen. It did so
for reasons that have been thoroughly explained by Commission. What
he's talking about is the NI Commission, which we covered
uh in an earlier episode. I can'tnasalize enough how much
World War One was kind of viewed as like the
Vietnam War of its day. It was viewed as a
lie that duke the American people, you know, killed one
hundred thousand young men in the prime of their life,
who were then later abused, you know, by being denied
their their pension rights. Gerald and I I who wasn't.
He wasn't some like America firster. He was a He
was a big progressive liberal. He he chaired them, He
convened the NI Commission, and basically, I mean it basically
exposed that JP Morgan when it realized that it had
you know, it's it it it had had been hedged
adequately in it's in its loans to UH to the UK.
You know, it essentially demanded you know, action from the
White House when we all lived undo influence to get
a war declaration. You know, like people were outraged by
when this was coming out. You know, like no nobody
viewed World War One as anything but a disaster and
has a big lie. So you know, and Hitler obviously
like like the view of a and and and I
was shouted down by this coterie of a of a
of of of all party men saying, you know, you're
smirching them. You know that you're you're smirching the grave
of of of a President Wilson when he's doing no
such thing. And honestly, like even Hitler didn't talk about
Wilson as being a bad man like Wilson, who was
cast as kind of like naive guy. The fourteen points.
Actually it was like the only kind of honorable piece,
uh the situations that that that was presented. You know,
that that honored the rights of combat. It's in any
real way, you know, it was it was Wilson, who
basically said that like you know, states have have an
absolute right to you know, to to preserve them Jordan
natural culture, you know. And it was it was the
French and British delegation who basically laughed in his face
and and and demanded vengeance, you know, like it was
so I mean, I I wasn't wasn't burning Wilson in
peruvial effigy, and honestly, and Hitler never held out Wilson
as an evil man like he basically he basically looked
at him as like a weak man was pulled over
by by high finance and UH and DuPont UH, which
was a which was a huge armaments concern among other things.
You know, they they made, they manuf, they manufactured UH.
Then they manufactured basically like everything that allowed the af
to fight. You know what we talked about, like this
is a rare instance of you know, financial financial concerns
and and economics basically you know, being the being the
approximate cause of of a of a of a war
declaration or or like intervention at scale. You know. So
it's not like hilar wasn't just saying crazy things. I mean,
this was basically the majority opinion you know of not
just of of Europeans and and of and of Germans,
you know, obviously felt like uniquely aggrieved. But I mean
in America, this is why, this is why people looked
at it, you know, I mean at this wasn't u
the fact, I mean honestly, like I think we talked
about it in the New Deal when we're covering the
New Dealers War and some the time Fleming scholarship. I mean,
had it not been for the Pearl Harbor attack, I
don't think Rosell could have gotten a war mandate, you know,
and once under our system, you know when I mean
even today, even even post Watergate, when the executive has
been gilded. You know, a a wartime president is base
is for all practical purposes, you know, a lawn to himself.
I mean like look at look at uh, I mean,
look at look at Bush forty three, like I mean
like he might have been like a goofy and effectual
guy and whatever, but his his administration wielded real power, Okay,
and that that only came that only derived from the
fact that he was a wartime president, you know, no
matter what, like all rhetoric kind of goes out the
window of the of the opposition when when so situated.
Vietnam is a weird exception, but that that's it's too
complicated to get into here as a as a tangent.
But that's I I I raised that because I'm sure
people who aren't familiar with the history will just say, like, oh,
Hitler's just maligning. You know, of course he's gonna say that.
You know, world War One was based on a lie.
That's not that wasn't just like Hitler's take, that was
what everybody viewed it as. And frankly that that's what
it was. You know, what, why why what? Why did
America fight World War One? Because it just it just
really really doesn't like it really doesn't like monarchs and
like democracy has to reign like so, so we got
to make sure that the British Empire can squeeze every last,
the real last bit of reparations out of Germany. I mean,
obviously that was his was bullshit, but it's a the uh.
And finally, interestingly, Hiler makes a nottive like the article
to presidency. He says, America's a republic led by a
president with wide ranging powers of authority. Germany was once
ruled by a monarchy with limited authority and then by
bocracy that lacked authority. Today is a republic of wide
ranging authority. Between these two countries is an ocean. If anything,
the differences between capitalist American Bolshevik Russia, if these have
any meaning at all, must be more significant than those
between the America led by a president and that Germany
led by a fear And it's important too because obviously,
you know the kind of the constant refrain, not just
of Roosevelt's Roosevelt that is loyalist, but you know administrations
before and since who want to malign people and countries
they identified as opponent. They were talking about dictatorships. I mean,
America's a presidential system. Like again, I mean there's there's
few there's a few countries in the Western world or
what or what was once the Western world that have
a system that orbits around the chief executive to the
degree that America is. Okay, So there was there was
something of a of a weird irony to America going
around saying, you know, mister Putin is a dictator, like
you know, this country is a dictatorship. You know, it's
like what as opposed to what like you, they should
have They should have a House of Commons and a
prime minister who can be ejected by no confidence vote.
I mean you you know, I mean it's uh, the
America is the the land of the sovereign executive, you know.
I mean that was that really is the legacy of
Hamilton more than anything, and and to his credit in
my opinion. But the what's there to think about this too,
is that the Reichstag speech, I mean it was timely
again because of the strategic situation, but also FDR in
April fourteenth, nineteen thirty nine, it is radio address he
issued this what was called his challenge to Hitler. Okay, now,
the words of it were as follows. Quote. Because the
United States, as one of the nations of the Western Hemisphere,
is not involved in the immediate controversies which have arisen
in Europe, I trust that you be willing to make
such a statement of policy to me as head of
a nation farabu from Europe, in order that I, acting
with only responsibility and obligation of a friendly intermediary, may
communicate such declaration other nation now apprehensive as the course
which the policy of your government may take. Are you
willing to give assurance that your forces will not attack
or invade the territory possessions of the following independent nations Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark,
the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, France, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia, Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq,
the Arabias, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran.
Speaker 1: Wow, now that's that's almost comical.
Speaker 2: And there's a at the in the Reichsteg speech. Uh,
there's some footage of Hitler like reading that list down
and if hands are like if hands are like a
gearing like laughing likes his hands, you know. But the
U Now let's uh, now, I mean, let's let's uh,
let's let's think about this for a minute. And Roosevelt's
list of countries that Germany was supposedly threatening. Let's let's
break that down. Finland, the first country on the list,
was invaded by the Soviet Union seven months later. They
were actually allied with Germany from then on. Okay, the
three Baltic nations mentioned were conquered in nineteen forty by
the Soviet Union. Later, Roosevelt accepted Stalind in corporation of
the Baltic States in the USSR. Poland was assaulted by
the Soviet Union and by Germany, but the Soviet Union's
assault apparently did but it didn't count. Neither Britain, France,
or the US did anything the counter or the Soviet
aggression against Poland when this always took complete control of
nineteen forty four, the US had no had no problem
with it. Hitler himself pointed out, Syria and Palestine are
currently occupied by your ally, the United Kingdom, and you,
mister Roosevelt, are working tirelessly to facilitate a Zionist conquest
of Palestine, thus displacing the people or indigenous the region.
So why why why why? Why? You tell me? I
guess see what fair play for Palestine? So I but
again it's some the uh, this this, this, this earned
a sharp rejoinder because again I think I think Roosevelt thought,
first of all, I think some of these guys, some
of these like mornout types, that they're actually like high
on their own bullshit, and they actually believe that when
they said like Hitler's an idiots or he's like some
or he's like some like bohemian hill billy you who
can't read a map, like they these guys were totally outclassed.
You know, it's some like I I think, uh, I
think really thought this would like the fuddle Hitler or
somehow you know, resonate with uh. You know, people who
had a lesson sophisticated understanding of power politics. But it
was clear like he didn't even he didn't even like
study like who Germany's ops were at that time and
like who they were kind of like integrated with, you know,
politically and diplomatically, and you know, one of the in
the case again a palace and in the Arab States,
the as I made the point before about guys like
von Leers and by the propaganda ministry generally, like these
guys were actually broadcasting like Arab language broadcast to try
and court like the Arabs, Like I mean, a lot
of the reason why they were doing it was, you know,
a to agitate against the United Kingdom. But the point
is it's like it's like where the hell you pull
this list out of? Like I don't know but it
but like again I think, uh, these guys didn't these
guys didn't they they weren't up on you know the
character of Hitler and kind of what he was, what
his tendencies were, you know, so he uh so Hitler. Uh.
Two weeks later, Hitler issued a director rebuttal point by
point anyway, and he broadcasted over the radio and uh
even Gerald and I again, uh who he said that,
you know, the president really took it on the chin.
You know, the consensus was that like uh was that
you know, worldso women handily smacked it down. And again too.
It's also the this was you know, the generation after
you know, the Great White Fleet, you know, Teddy Roosevelt
and scent the US Navy on its world literally its
world tour. You know, you had you know, you had,
uh America just you know a few your subsequent to
that effort, you know, had deployed at scale the Europe
you know, to literally change the course of World War One.
You know, America was engaged in Asia. You know, he
was engaged in you know, the the Banana Wars. The
kind of sway what remained of of Iberian influence in
in in Central and South America, you know, and again
Germany we're talking about We're talking about Germany smaller than Wyoming.
You know, So this now what's gonna lecture us about,
you know, like belligerents, you know, and and what uh
and what constitutes acceptable application of force in the course
of uh of power, political ambitions and realities you know
the uh So I don't, but it's I I made
this point too because I again I think John Tolan
made the point. I mean I realized hooland Tolan was
certainly hostile the New Dealer perspective. You know, Toland was
a true revisionist. He went with like the facts took him.
But he wasn't he wasn't any kind of national Socialist
or Hitler parties. I mean, he was just a rebalanced
uh you know, scholar. But he his take was his
take was that Roosevelt Roosevelt's you know, whole challenge of
Hitler was basically a publicity stunt. Obviously it was not
a serious initiative for peace. But you know, by that time,
you know, the American President's viewed kind of everything they
did as a publicity stunt. You know. In contrast, Hitler
and to his credit Mussolini. They took seriously what official
statements were from from national capitals. You know, they took, uh,
they took seriously what the American president said as a
statement of policy. You know, and when Hitler or al
Duce you know, issued a statement, you could take that
to the bank, like we're gonnass what if you think
of the merit of you know, what policy was within
the bound rationality of their strategic ambitions. You know, they
they weren't, they weren't on publicity tours. They weren't saying
things to kind of you know, spoof public opinion, you know,
and that's that's something that's got to be acknowledged, like
I and like I said too, like imagine even even
in the nineteenth century or even in uh, even in
arguably kind of the most uh, even the most kind
of populist era in Europe, you know, after the excesses
of eighteen forty eight then kind of quashed, but you know,
there's still there's still remained kind of the the still
they're still kind of remained a the sensibility of you know,
the the Third of State having final say it was
it's pretty it's pretty remarkable for you know, not just
the rights consular, but any chief executive to publicly address
the legislature and say, look, here's the military situation. Here's
why I give the orders I did. These are a losses.
You know, these are what we need to reconstitute in
order to win. You know, this is my political vision
for the future, and this is my view of you know,
these men who positioned themselves our enemies. I mean, it's
just not that's a level of engagement and transparency that
I don't really think exists. One of the reasons that
like Putin and Putin is no Adolf Hitler, I don't
even particularly, I don't. I don't think it's the best
man for Russia. I think it's unfortunately for the Rusian people.
He's not a better man who can rise the occasion
for all kinds of reasons. But it will see about Putin, know,
is that I think he is basically transparent. You know,
you'd be hard for us to find a statement he's
made on high politics, you know, war and peace questions
that isn't exactly what you know intended policy was. So
there's that too, Like I don't there's this, uh, I mean, uh,
there's all kinds of like weird mythologies about about chief
executives the states that America's fought in these twentieth century
wars and there, and they're alleged bad character or whatever.
But there's does this kind of does this ongoing like
mythology that like, oh, Hitler was this liar and he
was always resting like this this alledgered main Like it's
really not true, you know. I mean, I think the
Big U Czechoslovakia, you know, Munich in thirty eight and
Barbarossa being those know, a sneak attack and violation of
the not Aggression Pact. I guess said the kind of
big points of contention for people who insist on that viewpoint.
But again, I if I'll treat you law as permissive
not compulsory, because it can't be because it's impossible. If
the party to a treaty is acting in bad faith
and in the case of an impact, he intends to
attack you and is mobilizing for that purpose, You're not
under some moral obligation to wait to be assaulted, you know.
I mean that's like saying I that's like saying, my
man has to kill me, I've got to wait until
he draws on me and fires. Otherwise I'm a bad
actor for preemptively shooting him. I mean, it doesn't. This
is not the way things work. And you know, I
mean aside from that, if if if you take the
side of the Soviet Union over Europe, I mean, regardless
of the regardless of the merit of Hitler's decisions are
like thereof you got something wrong with you, you know,
like you you support your own civilization right or wrong.
And finally in the case of you know, it hits
the Czechoslovakia again, it was uh it uh it was
there was a there, there was no center there, you know,
I mean it it rapidly came apart literally once the
Sugate in Land was ceded to Germany. Like there is
no Czechoslovakia. It ceased to exist immediately after the inner
German border came down. I mean, was that was was
that like a crime against history too? Like should should
we insist Czechoslovakia exist? I mean, I so there's not,
you know, And that kind of surprised me, man because
like honestly, I guess just because being more particuarly educated,
but when I think about things that it kind of
that kind of caused me to like give me pause
about any positive feelings about Hitler. It's what he did
to his friends on UH in June nineteen thirty four,
and things like that, you know, I mean I to
give you plausive a man who's willing to murder his
friends or political expedience. It was what Hitler did. It
seems to me to say, you know, I'm not I'm
not I'm not Adolf Hiller, and I'm not a man
who wheels power over the fortunes of nations. But it's like,
really like you're you're big, You're you're you're you're big,
your big, and diamond Hitler's character is that Czechoslovakia seased
to exist and this it was mean to attack the
Soviet Union like it doesn't it doesn't really track. But anyway,
I just I thought it important to get UH that
out there. And during the UH, I want to cover
the UH. I want to cover the the warriors and
what specifically Roosevelt's final term where his mandate was evaporating,
and I think Roosevelt wasn't quite in his that he
didn't have his families about him anymore. And this resonated
very much in the quarters of the third Reich. And
there's a reason why the July twenty plot happened when
it did. There's a reason why a lot of the
intrigues within the Reich itself developed as they did. Stalin
was making decisions looking forward to a future without Roosevelt.
I mean, Stalin was pretty old himself. Excuse me, it
was pretty old himself at this point. Okay, but I'll
be very clear in the next episode. But on on
what I mean. But I I I've mentioned before Hitler's
a sumber eleventh Reich strike speech. I maintain it's it's
critically important as as testimonial evidence in putting together uh
not just an understanding of the psychology at Hitler as
warlord and as a political actor, but also but also,
you know, disabusing people of of a conceptual biases they
have about you know, the the war declaration against the
United States. It was it was just like some brazen,
crazy act or some sort of attempt at as some
sort of attempt at a gamble or something. But yeah,
that's all I got for today. All Right, that was great.
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Speaker 1: All right until the next episode. Thank you, SAMs. Yeah
man on, Welcome everyone back to the pe Conana Show.
How are you doing, Thomas, I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: Thanks for hosting me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and I guess we'll take this time to
talk about this uh little project that we started and
just released on on gum Road. We sat through and record,
watched a movie and commented on it last week. I
think you did an amazing job. Let's talk a little
bit about that. What you what you think people can
get out of this?
Speaker 2: Well, Like I said, people have long been requesting that
there'd be more content relating to movies and things and
U I uh, I yeah, I guess, uh, I guess
it's kind of our version of Mystery Science Theater three thousand.
But I'd like to think a little more serious commentary.
But uh yeah, man, there's a lot you know, film's
an important media. I'm not. I mean, I grew up
kind of living my curiousy for the movies, which I
think is kind of a mean, that's kind of a
that's a very American kind of rison me, you know,
at least for people born before like nineteen eighty or so.
But you know, it kind of like American cultural life
exists like in cinema, you know, in a way that
it doesn't in and other mediums. You know, I guess
the Great American novel is a trope, you know. And
don't get me wrong, like there's there's still in this day,
like you know, Americans make an impact on the literary scene.
But like when we're talking about kind of like America's
contribution of like you know, the the kind of like
global cultural prestige like high high culture and like lowist
of the low, we're talking about cinema. So I think
that's important to man and then especially you know these
days the kind of lament uh and it's and it's
well placed, you know, and including like people like Martin
Scorsese himself. There's not like real films being made by Hollywood.
I think that's true, but there's something of a backlash
against that. Then, you know, the kind of removal of
barriers to entry in the form of you know, production
tech becoming kind of democratized for lack of a better word,
you know, I mean, like anybody can shoot a film
man like who's got you know, I got bair minimum
of investment in capital. So you don't make the point
too that guys like Nicholas the Ref and Ryan Gosling
are kind of keeping filmmaking alive, you know, like basically
taking a loss on these passion projects. And I'm I
just know, I just tweeted out, you know something about
Kevin Kostner, who I'm not any like big fan of.
I think he's like a well meaning guy, but I
think some of his work product a ship. But he
he made this big western like epic that's like three
hours long. They had got the standing ovation at one
of the big film festivals. I don't think it was Can's,
but it was you know, one of something in the vein,
So I maintaining that film is not just something for
like old people nostalgics like me, or for you know,
kind of people with subcultural interests. So I'm excited about it.
And feedback's been good, and like we talked about before,
we went a while, I'm trying to think about what
movie we should cover next, and uh, I'm welcoming feedback
on the ad or you know, request from subscribers as
to what they'd like to see reviewed, and obviously i'd
be heavy to bite it, but yeah, I'm excited about it. Man.
Speaker 1: I just want to mention. I threw up a page
on my website, Freeman Beyond the Wall dot com forward
slash taxi driver, Taxi drivers all one word, and there's
a link there to the Gum Road episode the video,
and I also put audio up because I know some
people are just not going to be able to sit
down and watch video, so some people are still going
to want to hear the commentary. And I had one
guy in the live stream yesterday say I know that
movie so well that I could listen to your to
your commentary. I know exactly what scene you're talking about
and vision and vision in my head, so I just film.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I if you're like a movie person, the
other films you watch like dozens of times over lifetime.
And I mean even I've been like that some time
as a kid. I I realized some people think that
seems weird. Like I like years back, like a lady
I knew was like, why, you know, why why do
you always watch? Like why do you watch the same
movies over and over? You know, I'm like, doesn't everybody
do that films? Like like and she's like no, you know.
I'm like, okay, well it's but I've been that way
even before, you know, I had like a developed sense
of of a film is kind of like a medium.
Like I remember remember like in the seventies and eighties,
it'd be those like hobby table books like Leynard Multon's
Movie Guide or like the the Home Video Guide to
like movies, and it'd be like a thousand pages and
it'd be like right up, so like every movie you
can think of from you know, like the nineteen teens,
like later Silent era, like until like the then President
of like nineteen eighty five or whatever. I'd like pour
over that shit for like hours, man, Like I you know,
like because I was always like a data junkie. But yeah, man,
and before Internet, that's also like how you found out
about like film titles, man, Like I remember A Future Kill,
which is a bizarre movie, Like I found that through
there Christian f which was like really kind of shocking.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: If you're like a kid in the eighties and know
that was that West German movie about uh you know kids,
uh like like homeless kids like who were strung out
of heroin and like West Berlin. That's I was poignant.
But I mean, you know stuff like that, Like I
I found that through like a Leonard Mountain movie guide
and I was lucky enough. And like Greater Chicago land
there was like a critical mass like independent video stores.
Even after Blockbuster kind of connered the landscapes, you could
you still find a lot of that stuff. But yeah,
it's a very good thing, man, this series.
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, so yeah freemam me on the Wall,
dot Com, Forrest, Last Taxi Driver all one word and
uh well let's get to it Itolf Hitler is Foreign
Policy Episode three. How are you doing? Ready to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like I mentioned earlier, on I put
a I put a lot of premium in a lot
of these and sort of soft revisionist takes that have
crept into the mainstream. I means things are changing, you know,
and but biographies of historical personages are always going to
hit or miss. I mean, even people obviously aren't nearly
as controversy always Little Hitler, because you know, even even
even fairly objective historians, you know, they run the risk
of interpreting events and stayed and send even the documentary record,
they're kind of a lens of of of current affairs
and things. And I mentioned before that Brendan Simms his book, uh,
his twenty seventeen book hitlarc Glul biography, that's really great.
I consider it. I consider it a base. He be
on the level at John Toland's biography, and in terms
of its scholarly integrity. Obviously Toland I I, you know,
I Totland his book edges it out a bit because
Totland quite literally, you know, was able to access Hitler's
then living relatives, including his sister, and you know as
well as you know, people who'd served a third Reich
and critical capacities who wouldn't talk to anybody else but
Sims his book. Uh. The only other book that focus
is really on Hitler's g strategic vision and Hitler's view
of the United States, which is absolutely key understanding Hitler's worldview.
The only other book I found that deals with them
in a dedicated capacity is this old book from the
seventies that was put out by this Naval War college
type called Hitler Versus Roosevelt. And kind of the focus
of that book was the undeclared naval war between the
United States and the Third Reich, which carried on literally
for years for the form of regulation of the war.
And that was an early example of a kind of
revisionist text, you know, which of which you find in
that era, like in kind of military science type of
type of type of books, more than you would in
kind of like more broad historical treatments. But that was,
I mean, that was important. It was an important contribution.
But obviously, you know, again it focused kind of more
on in personal circumstances that you know, in that author's
estimation kind of put Hitler and Roosevelt in a collision course.
I take some exception to that, you know, Like I said,
I Hitler Hitler was not unsophisticated on geostrategic reality. He's
like quite the contrary, Like he really, he really did
have like a forward looking perspective and even more than
a lot of these, you know, people of aristocratic pedigree,
you was supposedly you know, more cosmopolitan the leanings, you know,
whether they're in the UK or Germany. Hitler, Hitler saw
things that they didn't and obviously owing to the brutality
of the war in the East, as well as the
kind of dialectical nuance of finational socialism, you know, like
people people a kind of view the Union, as you know,
as the as the mortal enemy of the German Reich
first last and always any kind of total existential terms,
that's the wrong way to look at it. And you know,
the degree to which Hitler himself, as well as kind
of any you know, any any kind of right Hegelian
which basically everybody was of Hitler's generation who you know,
had any kind of grand theory of geopolitics. They they viewed,
they viewed the kind of tragic course of uh Russo
German affairs to be something of an inevitability, you know,
almost like a phenomenon of nature. Germany's relationships to the
United States was totally different and promised a lot more
on uh on you know, ideological new wance that was
somewhat accidental. I don't even know what I mean by that.
But a point that Sims may be and I've always made,
is that people need to read Hitler's second book to
really understand what his perspective was. And there's a reason why,
in my opinion, Hitler after about nineteen twenty eight twenty nine,
you know, he he kind of put it to the side.
You know, I think, in my opinion, didn't feel that
the body politic and the electorate was really ready for
that kind of hard political realism, you know, and thus
there people read a kind of inconsistency in some of
Hitler's public statements, particularly after nineteen thirty, you know, God
for the second book, which I think is a misguided
I'll get in a way, I think that in a minute.
But by nineteen twenty eight, like people, people kind of
misunderstand that, uh, you know, the uh, the big people
of view kind of the National Sols Party is like
this crisis party that was only able to capitalize, you know,
and breakthrough during the years when you know, the global
depression like really kind of hit Germany hardest. I mean
that's true, and it's not. I mean, like obviously the
punctuated breakthroughs you know, like happened in those years. But
Hitler's overall kind of program it it wasn't just based
on quote resentment over Versailles. I mean, the Versite Treaty
wasn't in ethical terms and and turn in practical terms,
it wasn't worth the paper it was written on verbally,
but that wasn't that wasn't it wasn't. It wasn't just
a mirror uh like like protests, vote party or something.
The something Hitler constantly talked about in to Hess to
Gearing too, you know, his intimates all and sundry as
all as something he wrote about in the second book
was that the greatest that the one of the biggest
extential threats to Europe was was mass emigration, you know,
and every time, every time Europe was hit with the
punctuating crisis, you know, basically it lost you know, millions
of people over you know, over a century. And that's
exactly what it happened in Germany. A lot of people
attributed to Hitler, they say, you know, they They suggested
he borrowed the idea of a pan Europe, Pan Europa.
This idea was kind of first got public kind of
attention in you know, in the by marawenty three. This uh,
this hung this Halfsburg diplomat, Count Richard cotenhave Calary. He was.
He was the son of a of a Halfsburg diplomat.
He was a guy of aristocretic pretorie cedigree. He'd married
a Japanese woman, which is somewhat rare. I mean, there's
a lot of cultural exchange between Germany and Japan, but
like a Halfsburg Austrian aristocrat, like marrying a Japanese woman
was kinda it was unusual, you know. He was uh,
his his his ideas gained ground kind of as the
internal situation deteriorated in Europe vis a viva the you know,
the German economy and kind of the demands of the
reparations regime. He was a he was backed early on
by Max Varberg, who some people believe was uh what
was a side from the Rothschilds. But be as it may,
I mean whatever Calory. I don't know if he was
Jewish or not. I think he was part Jewish by
like heritage, but I don't he he did, in fact
have like a vision of Europe that with an eye
to render a Jewish strategically competitive. Like he wasn't just
he wasn't just some banker like looking to insinuate this
kind of you know, foe uh European ideology into what
I'm on to do a kind of you know, a
kind of the kind of a kind of program of
capitalist rape. And although I know a lot of his
detractors then and now like claim it, but because it
may heinrich amand a year so twenty four he drew
heavily upon keller GI's writings, and he published this kind
of popular circular calling for you know, a United States
of Europe to prevent you know, the con from becoming
an economic colony of America. Now, the key takeaway of
that again like Hitler didn't have any common truck with
people like Hilarity and man, but you know, the understanding
that America was really you know, if whether you're in Germany,
whether you're in Japan, whether you're in China, whether you
were in the Soviet Union, like your eyes were going
into America as to like the future of like your
great power opponent, okay, like that the degree to which
this was in the minds of people can't be overstated, okay.
And the degree to which American power, actual and potential
dwarfed basically like everybody else combined, like can't be overstated, okay.
And Hitler Hitler was very, very aware of this, and
honestly too, in the political culture of Baymar this was
something people kind of took for granted, you know, like
the Social Democrats and not even twenty five twenty six,
you know, as they were kind of trying to finesse
moderate voters, you know, kind of take it to strike
a more kind of like nationalist posture. I mean in
however milk Too's terms. You know, they were they were
talking about how the you know, the Europe needed some
going to integrate banking structure and not just to get
a handle on the reparations regime and to not you know,
be uh tethered to the force end of the pound
sterling at the American dollar. But you know, this was
this was the way forward, you know, like anything anything
else was a provincial in scope the uh, but it's
also there was Hitler had a lot of admiration for
the United States. You know, like we talked about before,
people thought it was weird when it came out that
uh at at at Eagles Nest. You know, like Hitler,
uh Hiler had a bunch of like uh Coca Cola
signs and stuff like in the parlor. Like Hitler loved
Coca Cola and he liked he liked bowling, like he
liked he like his favorite movie was King Kong. When
he was a kid, you know, he was into he
was into Western and stuff. You know, he he thought
like Hollywood was awesome. I mean, he had exception to
what he viewed as you know, it's the kind of
sinuation of Jewish values into into the movie industry. But
he was far from alone and in that take. But
his idea that Hitler was something like provincial like Habspurg
type hated America is complete nonsense, he you know, and
uh Germans all went to American movies, you know, like
from about nineteen twenty eight onward. You know, like basically
like if you went to the cinema, you we were
going to see like American movies. You know. There was
a the uh Transatlantic uh flights by airship during like
the brief sort of a sentence like airships as this
big you know kind of a you know, travel platform,
you know, like uh, like the big push was uh
to link you know, Berlin with like New York, you know,
as the ambition mean of course like turmed Berlin in
like this kind of like world city. You know, this
wasn't This was very much uh, this is very much
like German looking to emulate. They weren't looking at emulate France.
They weren't looking. People weren't looking other than people who
were who had been like radicalizing, you know, the streets
of Weimar, people who were just you know, kind of
already ideologically dedicated only to their own you know, kind
of like philosophical commitments. Like nobody in Germany was like
looking east the Soviet Union as a model society. You know,
they had, uh, they had they looked at America. They
admiration and you know, so like small Off and the
uh you know Frederick list uh who was considered kind
of like the father of U of German national economics,
you know, the guy he basically promised his entire paradigm
on Hamiltonian economics, you know, like and he and he
he openly acknowledged that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean he spent a lot of
time in the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And it's also the uh you
know Hitler also, Hillar had a keen understanding u he
had no illusions about uh about this about you know,
about the situation of of of Germany and like in
Europe in general. And henna do what I minute too,
like he now until not something like chauvinistic like nationalists
or whatever, but he like, if anything, he especially he
didn't say this on the campaign trail for obvious reasons,
but uh, you know, like we talked about before, you know,
this reputation of the national socialists being fixated on eugenics
is misplaced because if anything, you know, America and unless
you agree to Soviet Union, we're kind of like the
hub of that sort of thinking. But uh, you know,
Hitler believed that Europe was basically sickly, you know, spiritually, biologically,
every other way like conscou the United States, and he
talked about that constantly. You know, like Hillar didn't go
on saying like we're the master race, like quite quite
the contrary part of that deliberate like mistranslation, part of
that's just you know, like attributing kind of a caricaturish
view to you know, Europeans generally, and you know Hitler specifically,
but interestingly, you know Hitler also too. It went without saying,
you know, that that communism was a blight and had
to be eradicated. But I mean that was something that
again in dialectical terms, that was something that just was
it was was was taken for granted. You know, I
mean like you're going around trying to convince communists, like
you know, of the that they were misguided or or
trying to explain to people why, you know, it wouldn't
be good for there to be some kind of Soviet
revolution in Berlin, like you you know, you're you would
have been pissing into the winds to dedicate yourself with
those sorts of endeavors. But also again it you know
that the kind of you a communism was almost like
it was almost like it wasn't a mind virus or something,
you know, like it was almost people going with view
it almost like they would like BLM you know today,
but obviously exponentially more serious and more dangerous. Like it's
not it like goes out saying that they're your ops
like what what what people like Hitler actually engaged with.
You know, what the real danger was was explaining to
people why, you know, Europe had to basically carve out
an autonomous path or the situation at Germany and Europe
in general eventually would be connpertal that of colony, you know,
like Europe just become a colony the United States or
the Soviet Union, you know, if the Soviets militarily were
able to you know, subsume all other all other competing powers,
you know, just just by you know, at that point
of that bayonet, like figuratively and literally, you know, Hitler said, uh,
during the later stages of UH, you know, the kind
of campaign to the Reichstag in nineteen twenty eight for
for the you know, for richs that seeds, I mean uh,
Hitler said He'll compared German Germany to India, and like
the way that you know, he said that, uh on India,
like Britain allows like these Hindus like keep their princes
and their kings and it doesn't it doesn't divest you know,
these aristocrats and in the rods and their o their wealth.
I know, it'sn't pretend to have authority. But in reality,
these guys are you know, these guys are are ciphers,
you know, they're they're nobody's they're they're coolies who you know,
dressed up and kind of the glamour of of of
a sovereign court, you know. And you know, he said,
you know, anybody who thinks that, you know, the real
truth is not that you know, the Britain, that the
Britain is the lord and the Indian is the slave
is diluted, you know. And he said, uh, you know
the you know, Hitler wasn't suggesting, you know, some kind
of solidarity with kind of like you know, the wretched
and oppressed the earth or whatever, you know, but he
he was. He was saying that like basically, like this
is the way, this is the way we're viewed by
Europe and America, albeit for some of different reasons and
something I'm gonna too, at this point there was real
there was there was not There was no level laws
to be the UK and America at this juncture, and
as late really as uh the Edwardian era, the potential
for America and Britain like going to war, especially overclaims
in the Pacific, it was it was very real possibility.
You know. So it's like the Hitler talking about the
UK and America like having some convergence of interest but
also being ops actual potential. That's not something like weird
conceit of Hitler. That's the way everybody viewed it, because
that was that was the truth, you know, the uh
that ended because Churchill destroyed his country. He liquidated the
empire and literally sold it to America. I mean, like
had that not happened it you know, it's it's an
open ended question, but the uh. But the main you know, Hitler,
Hitler came back and again again and again to you know,
angle what he called Anglo Saxon capitalism. Okay, and he
distinguished He didn't say this was axiomatically the progeny of
the Jewish political mind. But he said that you know,
if you're talking at international finance and you're talking about
the UK and America, you know there's always going to
be like some aspect of Jewish power they're in. But
he said that that doesn't mean, like you said, even
though if we removed like jewelry from the equation, that
does not mean that like Wall Street in London is
our friend, you know, and this is what leads a
lot of people to say, like, oh, Hitler was just
a socialist or something like he was, but not in
the way that people are talking like those kinds of
people refer to. And you know, for context, one of
Hitler's big targets was Parker Gilbert. Parker Gilbert died young,
he was only in his like early to mid forties.
He was most known for was being the Agent general
for the reparations to Germany from nineteen twenty four to
about the middle of nineteen thirty and afterwards, interestingly, he
became an associated JP Morgan. You know, as we talked
about before, like if you don't understand the degree with
JP Morgan, you know had I mean JP Morgan was
Wall Street in those days, Okay, Like they they're kind
of like the Goldman Sacks of their day, all right,
And the degree with JP Morgan was insinuated into the
you know, kind of forcing the decision to go to
war on the on the Wilson White House, you know,
Hitler saying like, look, okay, like you don't believe me,
Like what's Parker Gilbert? You know, like why is our
economy basically in the hands of this guy. You know,
I mean that they can't be denying, you know, so
I mean this was uh, you know, like again the
uh acting like it was something acting like I mean
these things, especially anybody acting like it's some benign thing.
But uh, your national wealth being divested by you know,
Wall Street and uh you know kind of uh you know,
the uh your your your currency being bottomed out by
the repeating of a reparations regime. Like anybody who thinks
that like that's some benign thing, I don't know what
to tell them. Okay, but this wasn't This wasn't uh,
this wasn't as Hitler and something like vestigil like Marxist
sympathies or something. I know, some people like to claim that,
you know, during the bymur years, he was taken in
by by the KPD briefly. Most is nonsense, but that
but that's what uh, that's the reason why he's constantly
talking about capitalists photo capitalists, and also too, I mean
the you know, the uh, the KPD was basically beaten
by this point, and you know, they they lost the streets,
you know, like, uh, there was still a threat, you know,
and kind of the final it wasn't until uh the
Enabling Act incident to uh, you know, to to the
Reichstag fire, which was in fact set by a communist
you know, van Lieb or Loube. But the UH, I
mean now that it wasn't until they were formerly banned
as a you know, what amounts a terrorist organization that
they were no longer effect or. But it wasn't that,
you know, the political culture of Germany in nineteen thirty
like wasn't orbiting around like you know, people weren't debating
in Reichstag sessions like the legitimacy of Marxism. I mean,
like this was the issue in existential terms on the table,
you know, like whether when the reparations regime could be
rendered benign. You know what, there's some kind of like
complex interdependence with America, which meant essentially, you know, like
subjugating the German economy to that of Wall Street. Is
there some way out of this or some way like
within this paradigm whereby you know, Germany survives as as
an autonomous political culture. Like that's what was on the table, okay,
And that's why that's why that's why Hillary's emphasis comes
back again and again. You know, the capitalism and the
capitalist details. It is not because he was some sort
of like occulted Marxist or something or whatever. People say
the UH and you know again too like it wasn't
the UH the reparations or agime like the DAWs Plan.
Hillary was always saying that don't speak to me of
constitutions and the Weimar Constitution. He said, our three constitutions
are in the Versailles Treaty, the Dawes Plan, in our
in the little Kernel pack, and the DAWs Plant specifically.
You know, you had UH, you had Parker Gilbert and
his cronies intervening essentially as UH as the French were threatening,
you know, occupation of the roarers kind of there. It's
kind of their damnically sore and if they weren't paid
what they believe they were own Italian manner, you know,
Dawes said, the Dowes basically advocated like taking the German
UH National Railway Company as collateral and you know, I
mean all UH revenue from the tariff and tax regime
essentially being put in his hands, in the hands of
the Reparations committee, which was the fact, oh JP Morgan,
you know, and from there like they'd you know, they'd uh,
they'd integrate, uh, they'd integrate these public revenues that the
Berlin government was receiving and be like kind of the
middleman with France, you know, agains. They saw a fit,
you know, and this was this this was the big
plan to like dig Germany out. You know, it was
essentially allowing J. K. Morgan to to loot, to loot
the public conference as they saw fit, you know, I mean,
and that's I mean, I think about it, like think
about it like Americans freak the funk out about uh,
you know when they think uh, like when they think
they're paying too much and uh and in real estate Texas,
which is no small thing. I mean, I I I
feel the bird of that too. I mean it's like
people like, oh, Hitler was just making them out out
of a mobile about this whole Versailles thing. It's like,
you fucking serious, you know, it's like come on. But
and of course too, like people during by Maar, I mean,
they're in the Viymar regime. They they h this is
most by by the time of the of the the
the breakthrough, this was mostly they had mostly abated, but
people were starving. You know, maybe I mean the point
about horses vessel, horst vessel, you know his uh corn
historians and the comments at the time claimed he was
a quote unquote pimp because like his his living girlfriend
was a prostitute, Like you don't know why she was
a prostitute. Like a lot of women became prostitute, so
they were starving. I mean like that that's that that
that's the situation. I mean, when it becomes normal for
we're going to be selling themselves because you know, there's
no other option. I mean, like think about like America's
never read to live in those conditions, man, like they haven't.
I mean, like people were addicted or people who have
you know, fallen on terrible circumstances for reous reasons. I mean, yeah,
that happens to them. But like categorically or something like
prostitution becomes normal, so no one isn'tthing to eat, Like
we can't even imagine that. I mean, that's that's that's
where people were coming from here. And you know that's uh,
that's what owes to the kind of uh you know,
the kind of focus of the the National Socials part.
But it's also the problem with the National Socialist Party
even into like nineteen twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty. I mean,
really this is outside the scope, but interlay the nineteen
thirty four incident, you know, the the ramp coach. I mean,
there's a lot of intrigues there, but I mean the
kind of the over kind of the overarching impetus was, uh,
the need to to eradicate you know, divisions in the
party just you know, by a final uh and violent
executive decision. Germany's fatal the fatal flaw in the German
playb culture. With these fractures, you know, foreign policy was
still highly disputed. Rosenberg and you know, the most of
the Baltic German faction within the party, as well as
a lot of the Prussian military element, they were insisting
that the Soviet Union was you know, was uh what
was the ideological lene me like everything else is secondary.
Obviously the Strassers as well as Girls himself, interestingly, they
did the Soviet Union as like a key evidential ally
against Anglo America, the South Tyrol issue, and obviously you
know Hitler courting Mussolini, you know this, uh and and
ultimately South Tyrol was was was seated in its entirety
to the King of Italy. You know, this big this
was like a sore point for a lot of German racialists,
you know, like Hitler's selling out our people. You know,
he's for the sake of a you know something a
geotoggic vision. They may not come to fruition, you know,
the uh. And this uh, you know, this was not
this was not workable. And despite uh, despite the fact
that people always talking about like America, especially in this
era and in the preceding epoch, you know, the World
War One era as being like oh, in America, you know,
we we debate all possibilities like this. That's that's total bullshit.
You know, like when a policy course has decided war
in peace terms or economic terms, like America just does
it like after the wars were in the States, like
just like that kind of discussion, just like and that
was all done, okay. And this is one of this
is one of the big reasons for the fury prince him.
It's not because like Hilller was some control freak or
he just thought it was really great too to play
leader or something. And you know, the uh. Early on
in his career he treated these like various separatist types.
You know, in these various these various regional parties all
on Sundry, you know, who kind of wanted to sabotage
any kind of centralized government in Berlin. You know, he
treated these people as much as as big enemies as
the Communist because again, they these like these these people
are kind of like tools today, like in the oldest
block where like you'll hold themselves like, yeah, I'm luck
at Ukrainian nationalists. It's like your ass is literally owned
by Wall Street. But like as long as you like
go around like weaving like a little flag and pretending
like you know, you're you're some kind of sovereign like
micro state, like you're you know, you think you're like
a fucking pig and shit.
Speaker 1: But the.
Speaker 2: You know, and uh, it was right around this time,
like around nineteen twenty eight that's when Hitler uh As
Hitler began writing the second book, and for about eighteen
months subsequent after the election cycle nineteen twenty eight, you know,
he worked on it pretty consistently. You know. It's uh
and again, the the over the overarching theme of the
second book is the is it's the overwhelming power of
angle America and especially the United States that theme was
in Mine comp But what Mine comps a totally even
kind of book again Mine comp with an election season appeal.
The second book is quite literally like Hitler's geostrategic vision
and is like he diagnosed this to like the world
of nineteen twenty eight. Okay, Hitler literally said, quote, the
American Union has created a power factor of such dimensions
that it threatens to overthrow all previous state power rankings.
He said, there's probably a question of literal space, you know,
uh gross rum. He made the point that aboriginal elements,
you know, like Native Americans, if you will. Obviously they
were both divided, you know, by tribe, language, death knows,
as well as being relatively thin on the ground compared
to the size of the continent. So there were easy
pickings for you know, a uh, a conquering population animated
by uh you know, kind of an almost theological period
of a man of his destiny. And also the uh,
the relationship between the population size and the territory extent.
It's just like awesome, Like literally it's just massive, you know.
Like Hitler wrote that this is like inconceivable of the Europeans,
you know, especially because I mean again like Europe. In
the Europe's a tiny peninsula. Really, it's it's got no
it's impossible to defend it in depth. You know, it's
got uh you know, no no natural barriers between itself
and you know that the other in the East. You know,
it's like America's if you're gonna, if you're gonna draw
sort of a perfect geostrategic situation for a people like
you basically draw the United States of America, you know,
like assuming assuming their ops in terms of ability to
project power are where you know, the British and the
Spanish were, respectively, when you know, America fought them off
and essentially kicked them out of the the New World.
But uh, you know, it's there's nothing, there's nothing comparable
to to it in history. And again uh, Hitler was
correct as assessment. He said, the United States had as
of the time of you know, as of the world
of nineteen twenty eight, ninety thirty, probably fifty percent of
the of the available natural resource of this planet. You know,
it's industry not only had you know what it was,
not only the end of the world, and it captured
you know, market son on every continent. Even by the
nineteen twenties. But even even if all that went away,
like even an event of some total emergency, you know,
if America could had only to rely on its domestic market,
like it could still can still survive and arguably thrive,
you know, like the like if area's internal market was
was uh, what was greater than the British empires? Like
an entirety of capital and like that's that's totally insane,
you know. And uh, Hitler made the point again and
again in my comp or I'm in the second book
that like European statesmen like don't understand this. And Hitler
then talked about England and America and Germany and race,
and interestingly, again he had a pretty unflattering diagnosis of
his own people. Hitler said that basically the greatest people
who ever lived are the Anglo sax He said that
the Anglo Saxons were truly like the master race, the
world's like master race the era on which we live,
like anybody alive. And then then in present okay, he said,
the key to British power was that you had this
like you had this like critical racial value of Anglo
Saxon dumb that was able to conquer the political culture
in Britain entirely, uh you know, and then perpetuate itself,
you know, and kind of developed, uh it developed this
like rigid cast based society where the leadership cast was
uh it viewed. It's it's like whole raison detra as,
you know, being like lordship over this enterprise that they
had created that they believed it had been like you know,
conferred upon them by providence. Hitler said that because of
this sort of cultural and expanation over time and this
kind of like unwavering like master casts believe in in
the in themselves. He said that. Uh. He said that
one in with bas able to colonize you know, this
entire planet. And meanwhile, like their leadership cadres like whoever
saw like the motherland again like maintained like nevertheless their
link to like the host culture and like to the
Angle Saxon race, which is absolutely true it uh. Hitler said,
you know this is why you know the Angle Saxon
he's like totally outclassed as like the German of nineteen thirty. Okay,
he said the other he said, the reason the United
States is so dangerous is because he said, well, you know,
he's like the United States said he has said it
a core of this angle Saxon population that was just referenced,
like when these people saw the like endless horizon of
the new World, they realized that they could quite literally
like invent the new world in their own image, you know,
and they no longer had to take a knee before anybody,
you know. And he said that the influence, like the
massed influx of immigration, of immigration from Germany, which by
from from from the treaty wasphalure until it was writing,
amounted to about six million people. And Hitler said, like
this was the cream of the crop of like European
the like of European people, you know. He's like, so
in America, he's like you had. He's like you have
this like core of angle, sex and leadership like utterly ruthless,
utterly committed to its own posterity, like utterly insatiable in
his desire to like dominate the planet. He's like and
like the mentioned material they presided over were basically like
millions of the best of like you know, Central Europe
and Germany, you know, who realized like, oh, you're diminishing
fortunes like on the continent, you know, in those days,
immigranting to America was you were like taking your life
in your own hands. It was the opposite of today,
where it's like, you know, the world empties out there
jails and send them to America. You know, like if
you had like like you could become rich beyond your
wild's dreams in America, but you also might also like
die you know and like it uh it uh you
you had to have a tremendous I just surviving the
journey over here, you know what I mean, Like was
wasn't ort deal, you know, Saylers said basically like the
people and you get up and go, like got up
and win. He's like the best of like the white
race like lives in America. He's like, you can't dispute that.
He's like, yeah, there's He's like American culture might be vulgar.
He's like, uh, you know, there might. He's like there
might be like deformities within it. He's like it might
suffer from the absence of uh you know, like like
like cultural patrons. But he's like, you can't say that
they're not like the master race, because they are. He's
like they're the best racial material. And he's like, you know,
they and he's like there, he's like to that. He's like,
the Americans are self aware of this. He's like, that's
why they're And he's right, Hitler's writing right with the
nineteen twenty five immigration acts, and he made the point.
He's like he's like American entire He's like, he's like
America is continuing to like siphon off like the best
of Europe. He's like, well, privileging you know, Scandinavians and
Germans and you know in English, you know, and he's
like limiting the number of slots and Latins and basically
excluding like Japanese and Chinese from immigratings. They view them
as like they're their probable adversaries, you know, in the
kind of great game of of a of a of
Velt's politique. I mean, all this stuff is true, and
that is the way the Americans viewed themselves, you know,
like this and for context, like Hitler literally fought the
American infantry, you know, like as like he was saying,
like he I mean, it's something it's been said that
like if you know a race of people, like there's
no way to know them intimately than if he like
had sex with them. Or killed them. Okay, and there's
something to that. I wouldn't characterize it that way, but
it's not wrong, you know, like the idea like Hill
the was some bumpkin, It's like, well, apparently he wasn't
man he and he fought, uh, he fought. He literally
fought the US army, you know, after uh, you know,
after having faced down the British and the French. And
like what he wrote about in his later years was
how the American army was tough as nails and and
were these incredibly robust, like like horrid people who were
like the sons who left us centuries before, you know,
like grown like bigger and stronger and faster and smarter
than we are, you know, and it was devastating, you know.
I mean that's he didn't he didn't say something like
that about the Tommy. He didn't say anything like that
with the French. He was talking about the Americans. You know.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is why so many people want
to claim that the book is a forgery, because they've
basically bought into this romantic notion of the Prussian people
at the time and and hit the Prussian people being
the cream of the crop as far as genetics goes,
and then that Hitler would they're putting words in Hitler's
mouth so that it would It makes it look like
Hitler doesn't really like the German people that much. I mean,
that's that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's part of it, and I mean
it's yeah, I think it's part of it. But it's
all the too. It's like some of these people are
just guys. You claim everything, like literally everything is fake,
Like I remember what it is they claim it's fak
Like is the guys who think that like like Joe
Biden is is like a hologram we never landed on
the moon, Like if you tell him, like you eat
corn flakes, but broke fls like none other people man,
Like you know you don't believe that, bro' you're like brainwashed, bro,
Like the second books are fake, like Hitler was fake.
Hitler was like this Jewish gig guy, Like he was fake, bro.
I mean, I think it's part of it's just like that,
but part of it. Yeah, Like people at the point
before that, a lot of these guys who claim to
be like national socialists or like or like or like
the like I just like to trol people by like
wearing a Swasa goa and they really know what it means.
They got this, like they got this like cartoon idea
of Hitler is basically what like the word apartment of
like nineteen forty one said he was. They just like
claim that's cool, not that that's bad. So I mean, yeah,
I think part of it is that these fools like
they want to pretend Hitler was like this Darth Vader
type figure like as a ledge and not actually like
a thoughtful person with like a critical view of his
own kind and stuff. But it you know, but it's
also but also you know Hitler, Hitler came from the
halfstory Empire, or like the frontier of it halfsfory Empire
was a fucking mess. I mean, it's fascinating. If I
had a time machine, like I said, I'd want to
go back, among other places, the Vienna in like nineteen
ten to check it out, because like that that kind
of decadent Baroque architecture is that's like really cool and
like there's like very cool things about it. But you know,
it's like something out of like a fairy tale or something.
But it's a total it was totally dysfunctional, you know,
like that can't you can't, I mean, and that was
really kind of the that was kind of the prime
the distilled essence of like decadent, like dysfunctional, like twentieth
century Europe. You know. So Hitler's like, this is what
our problem is, you know, and there's a reason why
he like refused to be drafted by the Habsburg Army
and went enjoined the German Army. That wasn't like an accident,
you know, like it wasn't because like, oh Hitler was
such a big racist.
Speaker 1: It's like no, like.
Speaker 2: Little one said that being a less Someone.
Speaker 1: Claimed, can you answer this? Someone claimed that the only
reason you think the second book is authentic is because
you're taking the word of Gerhard Weinberg. And Gerhard Weinberg
also said David Hogan was full of shit? So is
that true too?
Speaker 2: I mean, various people like saw the second book. He
talked to Hess about the second book, He discussed its
contents with Rim and traup with Gerbels. He Uh openly
discussed on the campaign trail in twenty eight I view
myself as a writer and I'm writing my second book,
Like what yeah, I mean, what what what what? What's
the evidence that it's a fake other than that, like
guys in the internet say it's fake. I mean, like
I don't like what I I don't think it's fake.
I have no reason to think that it is.
Speaker 1: Like what it's it's romanticism. It's it's there. It destroys
some kind of romantic notion that they have.
Speaker 2: Apparently, yeah, yeah, it's uh but yeah, it's I realized
we're coming up on uh the oh well, I'll write
up soon. But it's also to like the you know,
conspiculously absence. I make this point just because like court
history is so like demented on this point. You know,
you know, you want to One thing Hitler does not
mention at all in the second book is like black
people in America is like racial situation. He's just like
he has no interest in it. Like he did say
that the only time he ever spoke about like slavery
in America was he said, quote like transplanting transplanting of
millions of African Negroes the American continents as an example
of the quote barbarian custom. You know, because he said,
I mean, but that was like the view of like
a lot of people like just like you know, but
he didn't this idea like Hitler was sitting around like
like hating on black people. They are like obsessed with
like race like in that regard, like he that's totally
that's literally retarded, but it's you know, and if anything too,
like the the traditional understanding is that you know, like
the like the Germans like like sympathized with like the
North and kind of like the Union like national economic paradigm,
you know, Hamiltonian economics and and all of that. Like
the idea that they were like neo Confederates is like
literally demented. But you know, he and like most importantly,
I think too not like Hitler spoke in the table talk,
you'll you'll glean this as well as other places. According
to the second book, like Hitler talked about the American
dream like now he didn't use those words, but uh
he said, quote, the European of today dreams of a
living standard which might be possible in Europe but actually
exists in America. The American simply lives on average better
than we do, you know, And uh he made the point.
That's why he emphasized like motorizations so much and saying
like every German is gonna like have an automobile, like
a family car. Like Stalin famously said that like, oh
this these these this film of like American workers like driving,
is this is all propaganda? That's not possible, you know,
because like it seemed it seemed like science fiction to
people in the old world, you know. And Hitler is like,
you know, we gotta like basically like we've got to
where we're We're we're gonna have an autobond, Like we're
gonna we're gonna have, you know, a continent. We're gonna
we're we're gonna have our own manifest desity in the East.
You like we're gonna have a space program. Berlin is
gonna be, you know, like a capital of the world,
you know, like he his his competitor was America. You know,
it's but this and I mean granted, like it wasn't
un qualified, you know, like he uh he talked about
the parvenu culture in America that was uh and he
uh famously like he uh he mentioned one time like
some some like Robert Baron type had mocked up like
a faux palace at Versailles as like his house and
what I think, uh, like Life Magazine like exhibited it
like this was really cool. You know. Hitler's like, you know,
this is this is this is you know this this
is bullshit, you know, but uh, you know this idea
that and he said to like a lot of you
said in America had some great things that came out
of Hollywood and some great music, but also had some
like decadent bullshit you know what they called what he
called race music. I mean, that's just what people call
it then. But his idea that like you just say,
contempt for America was like it is totally asinine, you know,
and the uh you know, and it's and I mean
at the end of the day too, like I again,
like even the uh Germany's geostrategic exposed. Oh and interestingly
too like Hill, you know what I mean, Hitler said, uh,
it was Europe's literally impossible to defend in depth even
at the nineteen fourteen border and restored it wouldn't matter.
And you know, he said, we're Germany's quote surrounded completely
hemmed in. You know, he said more over in the
Age the Airplane, you know, he said, like any German
population center can be struck in a matter of hours,
you know what I mean. Like it's like again like
this idea that like like Americans just don't understand this.
It's like I realize that when people when this like
the Zionist war against Russia commenced in twenty twenty two,
like where it was the politics, like people act like
like allowing standoff weapons to be based like two hundred
miles from your capital like that, like that's not an
act of war or that's not like an existential threat
to your existence. You know. It's like I I don't
think people understand like that. I think people think that
like everyone else in this planet is like some version
of America. It's like the size of a continent, you know,
like any you know, any any any military enemies you
have or basically you know, like a thousand miles away
at minimum, Like I don't think they as the crow
flies in nineteen twenty eight, like the border of check
Us border of Czechoslovakia was now the Czech Republic Ti Berlin.
I mean, it's it's like it's less than two hours,
like by car if I'm not mistaken, you know, it's
like this this idea that like oh, you know, allowing
uh you know, allowing the French to base whatever aircraft
they can devise, you know, uh, an hour or so
from our capitol. Like, that's no problem. You know, we
we'd be warmongers if we objected to that. Like I
it's completely it's completely insane. But I uh, you know
that's uh. And that's also too like something I uh
And Sims makes this point too, one of the uh,
one of the one of the reasons for the at
least in the Hitler's case, one of them, like his
personal perspective, one of the reasons for the brutality in
the East, the aust frauds. Uh. Obviously, it's the ideological
challenge of communism which just had to be eradicated in
the estimation of the the national socialist culture. The fact
that you know, the Soviet Union declared like it it
didn't honor any you know, any any laws and convention
of the customs of war. It only abides its own
revolutionary imperatives. But also, you know, the the contiguous comminal
space Germany needed. I mean that it wasn't that Germany
hated like quote hated Slavs, but that the Nazis hated Slavs. Categorically,
and Hitler even said in the second book he said,
at a future time, if the Bolshevik yoke you know
what what he called, like you know, the like the
the you know of Russian national rather the Jewish capital orientation,
in Hitler's words, could come to pass in Russia, like
it wouldn't be off the table for some kind of
alliance with the Russians in the future. But that's not
where we're at now, and right now we're facing oblivion.
I mean, that was really the that that was really
the what underlay the kind of like Ras and Creek
in the East more than anything. It's not we hate
Slavs and let's annihilate them because we hate them. And
I was glad that Sims made that point. That's not
gonna be wrong. There were, especially among the ranks of
Baltic Germans, people like Rosenberg and Prussians who had been
like marinated in kind of the culture of Ras and
Kreeg I mean, because like they that's what their people
steeped in for centuries. They did hate Russians, and I'm
sure they viewed them as sub human, but it's generally
like that wasn't you know that that that that wasn't
like some there was some like grand racial theory of
like why the Slavs are some human or something. If
that's yeah, we're we're up on the hour. I think, uh,
I think, uh, I think is this said on the
subject or do you yeah, we can do I think
I think a concluding episode might be good, but because
I still have some more to say, but I don't wanna.
I don't want to sell you your business in terms
of no, no problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think wrapping this up one to wrap this
up would be great. Do some plugs and uh we'll
end it.
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Speaker 1: Like seeking you fine, appreciate it till the next time.
Thank you. I likewise, man, I want to welcome everyone
back to the Pekingiana Show at Thomas. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: I've been doing well. I realized I kind of look
like a hobo, like I'm getting over a really severe
flare up. So I I'm not one hundred percent, So
that's what's going on. I didn't. I didn't just like
sleep in my clothes last night and then like drag
myself over to my computer, even if it looks that way,
So forgive me for that.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if we, uh, since this is a wrap
up show, if it needs to be a little bit shorter,
that's fine, but I think it'll be okay. Why don't okay,
how do you want to finish up this?
Speaker 2: Uh? I wanted to do a retrospective on Hitler's character
a bit because the main biography is of Hitler that
are accepted by court historians or Ian Kershaw, Alan Bulock,
Jakhaim Fest and John Toland, although Totland increasingly, I mean
he's he's been dead for many years, but increasingly he's
no longer considered part of the canon because he you know,
he people who want to finesse their ideological predators would
say like, oh, he humanizes Hitler or he minimizes the
severity of you know, the purported you know, fish is
evil in things. But if you're gonna deal with Hitler
in any meaningful capacity, you kind of have to wig.
You kind of have to wait, you have to you
have to rebut those allegations and and that kind that
those kinds of specious claims. But you know, if you're
dealing with any uh tyrant or any warlord or any
or any great leader, you've got to You've got to
both identify his analogs and you've also got to identify
what sort of psychological processes, particularly symbolic psychological processes, animated
him and his vision. Okay, and this is controversial even
for people, uh supposedly on the right, Like I read this.
I've been reading a lot of Hitler biographies lately owing
to my manuscripts, and I'm writing too many scripts. I'm
working on steel Storm, but I'm writing this Nuremberg book.
And I realized that character evidence of the equivalent isn't
just positive anything, and it's not even formally admissible, but
so much of the Nurmeric indictment kind of orbited around
what supposedly was in the mind of the fure as,
like the seminal command authority, that something has got to
be addressed. So you know, it's just kind of refleshing,
refreshing my recollection, you know, kind of on what on
what the primary claims are. And Russell Stolfi's book, which
is a splendid rebuttal that I was reading this really
good review by this guy who uh, I think periodically
writes for Countercurrence, and I got like halfway through it
and then he uh and then starts shrieking about how
awful it is that Stulfi claimed that Mohammed was an
analog the Hitler. I mean, apparently this guy has got
some like kosherized prejudice against Moslims or something, and that's
that's that's a completely fucking idiotic that like people still
think that way, or that they essentially just kind of
apply those same conceptual biases just you know, kind of
with reverse colors. The historical analysis. I mean, plus like
Muhammad was a great man, you know, like they can't
he wasn't uh, he wasn't what is Uh believers think
that he was. But and it's not some slam and
Moslims either, you know, they worship the same God I do.
However incomplete their interpretation is But saying like Muhammad wasn't
one of the greatest mane of relave, it was like
saying Julius Caesar was a second Raiders is idiotic. But
moving on from the kind of tangential complaint, I believe
and even if I didn't what historians claim, which makes sense,
even if they weren't dealing with a figure, it's kinda
monumental and controversial as Hitler, you know, like the man
Hitler became was kind of that kind of character trajectory
was set when he was about eighteen years old, which
is generally the case, especially for males. I think, like
when I kind of develop the sort of visionary ambitions.
But you know, that was right when Hitler his mother died.
And that's also when he you know, suffered as first
major disappointment when he applied to the Vienna School of
Fine Arts, at which Hitler was not rejected for being
a quote terrible artist. He was told that he was
a great architect, but that you know, he obviously for
his skill set lay so that you know, he was
he was accepted into the architecture program and told that,
you know, fine arts were not really his forte and a. Uh.
Not having attended a real school and not having the
credentials to pursue that alternate track, you know, that basically
cut off it career trajectory unless he's able to find
somebody to kind of act as a patron and in
a strange city, that wasn't very likely. But the one
of the things that's claimed about Hitler is that, oh, well,
you know, Hitler had this had this unhealthy relationship with
his and then I mean this kind of things like
steeped in like Freudian nonsense. Obviously, these kinds of claims,
but that also that doctor Block, who was an oncologist
who treated Hitler's mom, that oh, Hitler obviously came to
hate Jews because Block was a Jew and just blamed
him for the death of his mother. That's not at
all true, and Hitler actually thought really highly of doctor Block.
In a rebuttal to that kind of off repeated claim,
Block said the Colliers magazine during the war, he said,
I'm probably like the most privileged jew like you'll find
in Germany row after you today. I don't believe that's
an accident. And when Hitler told me that he owed
me a great debt of honor for caring for his mother,
apparently he was sincere. Okay, that's straight from the horse's mouth.
But I do believe Hitler's upbringing was very strange. You know,
Hitler's father, Elwis, he kind of because amplified what was
wrong with the Hasbury Empire. And something Toland says, which
I think is not off base, is that, you know,
Hitler Elois was a tyrant. He was just kind of
a mean guy. He beat his family, especially Hitler's older brother,
Elowis Junior. Elowis Junior was Hitler's ad brother, and uh,
his father terrorized him. And you know, Elowis ran away
from home at fourteen and never came home, which speaks
for himself. But you know, uh, after Alowis ran away,
Hitler was kind of the brunt of his of his
dad's you know, kind of bullying, and his dad was
a Hitler wasn't poor, despite what some people claim either
like the family was solidly middle class. Hitler's father was.
He joined the border guards or the Customs Service with
the frontier guards. Like basically like uh think like kind
of homeland security meets some immigrations and customs enforcement. So
he's basically a cop. You know. He joined this, he
joined up at eighteen, retired at fifty eight. You know,
so he had this like solid pension and he was
you know, uh, he had a lot of he had
a lot of clout like within that institution, and you know,
like Hitler reviewed him as this kind of like is
this kind of like crud ignoramus who had sort of
like a reverence for authority for its own sake, you know.
In those days, we'll get into this. He was actually
illegal to sing the German national anthem. It was illegal
to display images of Bismarck and other like patriotic iconography.
You know. The we talk we talked about the nationalities
problem in in the Soviet Union, like the Habsburg Empire
had the worst nationalities problem like ever seen. Okay, so
there was this kind of like authoritarian bureaucracy that was
aiming at suppressing like everybody's you know, kind of nationalist
or or self consciously like ethnic feeling. Ye know, so
Hitler's mind, I'm very early on. Hitler was self consciously German,
which makes a lot of sense. You know, this kid
who was who lived on the frontier of the Habsburg Empire,
you know, basically, you know, as a minority, you're on
a you know, around a bunch of other minorities. But
I don't think it's off base to suggests that one
of the reasons Hitler came to hate the Habsburg regime,
like not the emperor himself, like a or anything like that,
but just like, you know, the regime that propped it up.
He identified dad with his dad, who really was just
like a bully, you know. And Hitler's dad died, you know,
when Hitler was thirteen years old. He just had like
a massive heart attack. You know. On the one hand, uh,
On the one hand, that kind of freed the family
from his from his British tyranny. But you know, he
the family got a pretty They didn't fall into punery
or anything, because they had like a decent pension. But
Hitler's older brother had run away years before Hitler's Uh,
four younger siblings of Hitler's had died. You know. Hitler's mom,
even before she got cancer, was kind of unwell you know,
Hitler was like the man of the house at thirteen
years old. You know, it's not that there was not
an easy thing, you know. So this idea too that
Hitler was just this kind of like a lay about
like idiot or something who you know just uh, you know,
had an act to grind with his deity and and
wasn't doing anything and in his in this kind of
care free ado lessons as regards you know, real responsibility.
Like that's that's nonsense too, But uh, what's fair thing
to me is that some of these formative uh things
like not just fascinations but conceptual but by like conceptual fixations,
like he emerged like around this time, like before after
Allows senior ed retired, Like he tried he bought this
like gentleman's farm. You know, he's try and kind of
live this kind of country squire life or something. And
like the farm failed because you know, Elwis didn't know
what he was doing and he actually was Alwis actually
was kind of drunkly about, you know, like when he
wasn't you know, doing his border guard you know, policeman thing.
But uh, the after uh, after that, the family moved
to uh this apartment house goes right across from this
Benedictine monastery and the school year of eighteen ninety seven
eighteen ninety eight, Hitler, Uh, the path he walked to
school of went, it went, it went through this gate
abudding the Benedictine premises, specifically the monastery, and there's a
stone arch in the center of it, and like very
prominently was carved uh in the monastery's coat of arms,
like a swastika, which I I don't think that's accidental
that you know that, Uh that and that's why I
raised the people who say, like, no, Hitler was signaling
with these people in the tool society that you know,
he he was some of a culted pagan Like no, no, no,
that's not the case. And swats guys were ubiquitous and
in in medieval and Gothic freezes and things, and uh,
the kind of Gothic, the kind of mini Gothic revival
you know that was emergent, you know, really for a
few decades, you know, from about like the eighteen seventies
or eighties. I'm not I'm not at all like an
architectural historian or anything, but you know, approximately around the
time when you know, like Hitler was coming up, that
that kind of thing was still prominent, particularly and in
some of the kind of suburbs and exurbs of Central
Europe from these you know, from these baroque cities of course,
like Vienna. But it's and interestingly Helene Hofstangle, who is
Putsy Hofstangle's wife, I mean obviously in Hofstangle. Hofstangle was
kind of a buffoon, and he became very much, uh,
on the outs with Hitler, and even even when he
was even when he was in the good graces of
the kind of core of the UH of the at
the National Socialist Party, he never really got any respect act.
But his wife kind of before mag the Gebels, became
Hitler's a like confidant and arguably kind of like the
fact the first lady the third Reich, like, uh, Helene
Hofsnangle kind of filled that role and Hitler told her that,
you know, during this time he he considered becoming a priest,
you know, because he's like, this is this is like
a higher calling for you know, that's that's not it's
not sullied by you know, these guys like worldly things
that you know, I don't want any part of and
you can you know, you can surround yourself with art,
you know, but do it in a way that you
know is you know, people can index with you know,
is in their in their worship and things like. It's
very interesting because that's the only kind of despite a
lot of fake quotes and a lot of speculation, like
Hitler never said bad things about Catholicism, like he just didn't.
But you know, you never said anything particularly praising of
it either.
Speaker 1: Let me ask the question during the Straster debates, does
he refer to himself as an atheist? No?
Speaker 2: No, and that's why most uh, notably in the December
eleventh speech, he mentioned providence or God over half a
dozen times. And I mean it's a constant, it's it's
a constant uh motif. You know. But that's well, that
that's a that's a discussion for another time because there's
a lot there. But no, he that's that that's absolutely
as nine. What people do is they take they take
quotes from like they take they take either like like
totally confabulated quotes from girls or something they're just like
made up, or they take actual quotes on some buffoon
like Borman, like you know, mouthing off on a much
he hates the Catholics and saying like see you like
you know, the nuts he's received or something. Jews wanted
to burn all the churches, you know, like Bormann said
so when he was like three Sheets of the Wind
and talking Ship, you know, like but the you know it, uh,
the there was something uh you know, even in even
in a play, it's kind of like a culture. It
is like halfs thro of Austria. You know, I don't
mean like culture necessarily in co of pollen in terms
that was that too, but you know there was there
was this kind of like deep reverence for the arts
and things, you know, like just saying when when Hitler
was asked other than this kind of brief deliance with
the with the idea of becoming a priest. You know,
Hitler when he was when he was asked what he
was gonna be, like what his career was gonna be,
he'd always say like, I'm gonna be a great artist.
And the adults would be like, well, you know, you
have to have a proper profession, you know, like it
uh you know, So it's not it's not as if
these these were like flights of fancy that you know,
were encouraged by some like doting mother who's out of it,
you know, like like not even remotely, but the and
it was around Uh it's an this time too, Hitler
realized he could draw he uh from the time you
know he's about uh but in our system, like fifth
or sixth grade age, you know, like eleven or twelve
years old, he'd start uh surreptitiously sketching one of his
school chums named Weinberger. Weinberger, you know, he wrolate that.
Uh he watched over several days as Hitler, like you know,
in class when they were listening to some lesson or another.
Hitler Uh he recreated from memory the castle at Schomberg
and just like sketched it out, you know. And he
early on in life, like other kids looked at him
as a leader. You know. What's fascinating to me too,
was that his favorite stuff to read was ah stories
by James Fenimore Cooper and kind of his German his
German imitator or kind of counterpart was Carl May who
also wrote Western stories. But uh, you know the kind
of the cowboys and Indians, you know, uh kind of
genre like came from James Fenimore Cooper. You know, like
Hitler's Hiller is a kid actually taught himself to throw
a lasso, which I think is hilarious. But he'd uh
his uh like those who remembered him. You know, this
was multiple people said that hilarys wanted to play cowboys
and Indians, you know, and uh, you know, he talked
about America as this kind of like wild place but
also this kind of like marvelous place almost like the
land of odds of like you know, infinite power, infinite wealth,
but also like wild people and you know, like warriors
and like, you know, it's it's I I find that
I find that fascinating. You know. It's like it's like
a little Austrian kid, like that's what he's that's what
he's getting into. But according to Hilary said and and
then then the tracks by what his sister Paula told
him Toland as well as other uh as well as
other witness testimony, which I have no reason I think
is incredible. Hitler, Uh, he became fixed. He became fixated
on these two like historical magazines that were dedicated to
Franco Prussian War, which obviously was like loomed hugely in
the minds of of Germans, you know, I mean that
was uh, I mean that that was that was that
was the great victory, you know, like there and the
kind of uh the kind of finest hour of Prussian arms.
But it's also you know, Europe in the nineteenth century
like didn't go to war really, you know what I mean.
There was the Franko Prussian Wars is the Primean war,
you know, but after Waterloo, like there wasn't there wasn't
any There weren't like major engagements you know that that
that involved you know, half a dozen countries and millions
of men, you know. That's why that's why so many
European mercenaries ended up, you know, fighting in the war
within the States, because that's where the action was, you
know it. And Hitler uh he became He stated in
his own testimony that uh, the Board War was uh
you know what really imbued him with like self conscious
patriotism as well as uh, you know, as well as
his understanding that like you're in German, you know, which
is fascinating and that I like we talked about in
our World War One series the degree to which the
Germans felt a deeply deep affinity for the boards, like
they can't be like overstated, you know that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And it was also his he was about this age
too when uh, his his younger brother Edmund died of measles.
And that was the fourth death of one of the
Hitler children. So Hitler was Hitler was the only remaining son. Okay,
el Eis was you know, he was Hitler's have brother,
but he was like long gone anyway. His family didn't
even know if he was better alive, you know. The Uh,
this is when this is when hilar was kind of
forced to grow up in my opinion, you know. And
then shortly shortly thereafter, you know, Lewis Senior died, but
before he did, just a couple of years previously, Hitler
reached the age where's eligible to attend the other at
gymnasium or a real school, and his practical minded father
was you know, I thought of gymnasium was a waste
of time, you know. And for those who don't know,
like in those days, I've knowed the European systems like now,
but in those days, you know, gymnasium would prepare people
for you know, classical education and what was then the
university curriculum. You know, a real school was it was
like you know, a technical and scientific academy, okay, and
the uh the nearest real school was located in the Winds.
So Hitler uh set off for Winds, you know when
he was uh when when he was like a little kid,
you know, he'd uh pack a rucksack on his back.
He quite literally walked for three hours, you know, and
sometimes he'd stay overnight or through the weekend. You know.
But this is that kind of the degree of autonomy
and kind of worldliness and like understanding of like mortal
things that's not gonna think about like kids in the
West these days, you know, I mean, I you know,
and uh what the testimony the Tolands aeos the other
people was Hitler. This is basically when Hitler like abandoned
like all interest in schoolwork, like viewing it essentially as bullshit,
you know. And Hitler said, quote, I thought that once
my father saw a little progress I was making at
the real school, he would on me to devote myself
to my dream, whether he liked it or not. However,
Hitler did perform on a you know, to pass. He
also Keplinger. It was one of Hitler's friends who provided
testimony to Toland said Hitler. And I find this significant
because other intimates of Hitler like vote from his childhood,
his life as a young man, as well as his
like later adulthood. Keplinger said, quote, he had guts. He
wasn't the hot head, but he really was more menable
than a good many. He exhibited two extremes of character
which are not often seen in unison. He was a
quiet fanatic. You know, Hitler wasn't like this carpet chewing mediac.
He wasn't this guy who was like yelling all the time.
It wasn't this guy came off like a tweaker. You know,
there's like this quiet, quiet intensity, Like dude almost never
raised his voice, he almost never lost his temper. But
he was obviously a fanatic, you know, Like that's the
key to that's the key to Hitler. You know, people
don't understand that, don't really understand like how we index
with people the way he did, And they don't really
they don't really understand his like kind of like what
what what appealed to him in the people about him
in personal terms as well as in kind of you know,
idealized terms. But you know, Keplinger also made the point
he said, you know, he said the board war, he
said it kind of he said it like invigorated us,
you know, not just the kids would be adults. You know,
this sense of historical mission and like a desire for
like our own state, you know, German state. You know,
he said Bismarck was our hero. You know, he's like,
you know, we sing Bismarck songs, you know when when
authority figures were out out of your shot. You know,
he's like he's like, we'd secretly, like you know, in private,
like salute each other and things, you know. With Hyle,
you know, like it's like a lot of this, a
lot of stuff that became kind of the the key
lore of the Nazi party, like literally developing like Hitler's
little kid on the frontier with other Habsburg Germans and
kind of the world situation was changing in critical ways.
You know, this idea that like Hitler came up with this,
you know, one day in nineteen twenty two because it
seemed like a way to kind of sway public opinion
like is ridiculous. You know, the degree with which Hyler
was a product of of that time and epoch, particularly
the you know Lin's and at the turn of the century.
I mean, don't get me wrong, Hill, there was by
no means like a politician or a conventional political actor,
but nothing, nothing that uh he considered to be you know,
the intractable kind of core of the NSD A P
and its ambitions like no, no, that was like, none
of that was strange, None of that was you know,
issues a first impression or you know, or anything like that.
Apparently his first kind of real passion of the opera
he came from a Longer in the Wagner Opera he
played at the Linz Opera House and the uh for
those that don't know, in Longer and a key episode
is ah King Henry two assembols, uh like the German
Knights who are trying to expel uh like the mag Yards. Okay,
which I mean interestingly, you know what I mean obviously
would resonate with with the habs for Austrian kid. But uh,
there's this, uh, there's this like poetic refrain when the
King's addressing the men that Travis says, quote, let the
reichs m L appear. We're well prepared to see him
near from his eastern desert plane. He'll never dare to
stir again. The German starts of German Land. That's the
rich and vigor, that's well, the right in vigor stand
if you go by his own testimony as well as
if you go by kind of the what what can
be verified as populating the kind of cultural landscape of
the time, you know, these things that these kinds of
key aspects a Feler's early romanticism, as well as kind
of as the kind of cultural pastief that you know,
he he wanted a national Solson to become a kind
of a vehicle of this stuff developed when he was
a kid. And I think people who commit themselves to
things of that nature, I mean great and small. I mean,
obviously I'm not talking to I'm talking about regular people
like myself, not just you know, kind of great meount
of history. Like the stuff you really get into, this
stuff like that you get into before like pre adolescens.
Like the stuff you're into is like a teenager or
a young man comes and goes. It tends to be
kind of informed by passion and then the moment sort
of impulses. But like the stuff you can do when
you're a kid, when you're like no longer an infant,
but you're like, but you're not properly like an adolescent
yet the stuff you can do when you're like ten, eleven,
twelve years old. You know, you can't fully understand it
yet in terms of it's it's core characteristics. That's kind
of like what stays with you as a mature man,
you know, Like I think it's uh, it's somewhat different
for women, but like women have to grow up fast too,
you know, but it's I firmly believe this. I think
it's uh. I think it should be written about more
but the you know, the real kind of you know
that more than the un than the than the Vienna.
Hitler I think, uh. I think informs the the structure
that the the mans like Hitler. The man's like uh
Kubazac when people, you know, I think Coopsac is uh
something of the unreliable, you know, an unreliable narrator of
myth and lower. But I think his testimony about Hitler,
I mean basically tracks in my opinion, with what other
people say. And it's you know, when Hitler Hitler being
told Hitler is confident based then on on his you know,
what he'd submitted to other people who were in a
position to judge such things, you know, kind of people
in like administrative and gatekeeper roles. Okay, when he does
when he he was confident that his portfolio would be accepted,
you know, to the School of Fine Arts, like when
it wasn't, and when the rector said, I don't know,
but don't be discouraged. You know, your your your ability
obviously lives in the field of architecture, young man. You know,
it wasn't just that. It wasn't just that Hitler didn't
want to jump to bunch of hoops and probably his
financial situation wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't allow that. But I mean
it was that his whole kind of susition itself and
what he wanted out of life. And you know the
you know, artists artist view themselves is wanting to participate
in something like greater than the cell. It's very spiritual.
You know that this this was crushing in a way.
It wouldn't be just you know, if if Hitler didn't
land his first job he coveted or something, you know,
and uh, immediately after you know, like the following month.
That's when Hitler received a news from the postmaster that
his mother was dying. You know, so he rushed back
to Linz, you know he could. He sought out doctor
Block again, who when Hitler's mom first fell ill, you know,
was uh the doctor Hitler retained because he was you know,
he had a reputation from being you know, the best
in his field. The drastic treatments that uh were available
then involved involved treating the patient with large doses, like
dangerous large doses of idio form. What's uh, I I
it's basically a kind of crew for a chemotherapy, you know,
something with the surgery in somebody where a metastasist is
already present. They they'd be wrapped the open wound to
be wrapped in clause causes dipped in idio form and
idio form it would Uh one of the side effects
is that the patient wouldn't be able to swallow. You know,
it was uh, it was. It sounds like a kind
of torture, you know. You know, and Block admonis Hitler
that you know this this is a very dangerous procedure,
and I there's not any reason to believe that she'll recover,
but this is all we can do. And you know, uh,
Block explained later in his interviews, you always said that,
you know, the procedure was the idio form itself as
a as a nauseating odor like chemical odor. It would
burn its way to the tissues, you know, to kill
the tumors ideally, but it was it was it basically
would torture the patient. Okay, Block said the Hitler's mom
was was it typically stoic germanly. He said that quote
unflinchingly and uncomplainingly. She bore her burden, but it seemed
to torture her son. An English grimace would come over
him when he saw when he saw pain contractor face
speaking of him, speaking of Hitler, when uh, when she died, uh,
you know, Block expressed as condolence as the Hitler you know,
and Hitler thank Block for everything he'd done. He assured
him that he'd been compensated for the remainder of who
was owed and he was the Dodter said he saw
that Hitler was Hitler's sketch. Pat Hitler had drawn a
final sketch of his mom like you know, as she died,
and Block said that you know, he said, and he said,
I've seen any death bed scenes. I never saw anyone
so prostrate with griefs off Hitler. Now you know, before people,
I mean Hitler was with the teenager at this point,
and before people say like, oh, you know this uh
represents some sort of in a pro age and appropriate
attachment to his mom or something like Hitler's mom was
already had. You know, he had a dead father who
had been a you know, a mean bully who was
kind of loathed by everybody. You know, he had four
dead siblings in the grave. You had a big brother
who like you know, ran away and never looked back.
He had a little sister that he had to take
care of, you know. I mean I and plus like
leaving your mom sucks. I speak of experience, you know
what I mean, Like it's I uh, yeah, you know,
especially and it's one thing if uh, it's one thing
if you're you know, if you're a married man and
you got you know, like a family and like you know,
people around you, it's like, you know, uh, at the
end of the day, Like you know, if if you're
a single man, it's like your mom and your dad
care about you, and like that's about it, you know
what I mean. And that's not that's not he's playing
some kind of murder or something, but it's you know,
it hits hard if you're a young person and your
mom dies, you know what I mean. I mean, it
hits hard anyway. But you know the and like I said, block,
he was emphatic, you know, he said, hilar He's like obviously,
you know, like I was enjoying certain privileges and immunities
I would not have if I was not doctor. You
know who I who I am? The right government. This
idea that like Hitler like was seeking revenging his block
or something, and this you know, took on this like
anti Jewish posture, and that's that's fucking ridiculous. But it's
the reason I ever size this is because it's, like
I said, it's not there's not really any way I
understand Hitler without you know, appealing to kind of symbolic
psychological phenomenon. I mean, that's true for like any you know,
Alexander the Great very probably murdered his father. I know
that there's there's a controversies and people have many I mean,
there's many kind of competing theories, but I you know,
one part because he felt his mother was being disrespected
by the you know, his father's kind of new concubine
and became the favored wife. And also that you know
who wasn't Macedonian, but uh, you know, and and and
the heir apparent would become, you know, the child that
he sided with her. But it's you know, you're not
gonna find You're not gonna find a kind of squeaky
clean I don't know if that's even the right way
to characterize it. Your early life in ah and An
a truly great man's biography, and especially I think he's
a Hitler, you know, like Stophie's always driving home and
his kind of rebuttal biography of if you're Hitler, wasn't
the politician. Pretty much at every opportunity, Hitler avoided politics
or said this is a waste of our time, or
he didn't monish people, you know, like he did von
Popp and and and the kind of leg see the
members of the legacy regime, you know, like you don't
understand what we're doing here, like you know, we this
is a historical mission. We're thinking in terms of millennia.
You know, we're not. We're not trying to We're not
trying to come to terms with the social Democrats with
the budgets. You know, We're not We're not We're not
playing this. We're not engaged in this charade of parliamentarism,
you know. Where uh, we're engaged in a world historical enterprise,
probably side unseen since Genghis Khan. You know, and I've
emphasized before in my writing as well as in our discussions,
the degree to which Hitler and particularly Himmler emphasized Yasa
as well as other aspects of the Mongol culture. But
you know, Yasa was the it was the oral legal tradition, uh,
knowledge of which was restricted to a dedicated caste. But
the national socialist interest in it, in this kind of thing,
particularly in the subject, was nuanced. But the understanding that
we've got this kind of pastiche of peoples that constitute
you know, our our our our civilizational organism that were
scattered to the wind by the thirty years of war.
You know, now we're trying to create a kind of
cohesion there in and rebuild and bring up our racial
stock or cultural stock, if you what do you prefer
that's become weakened, and is is definitely inferior in critical
ways vis a vis our adversaries. And we've we've got to,
you know, we we've got to create a kind of
new European man. You know, these are things that the
Mongols were charged with two in their own way. I
mean the Mongols they you know, the Turks when they
were you know, a step people. They uh you know,
they were they they were like a pastige of ethnicities,
you know that they'd taken on as as janissaries of
slaves and you then were like manumitted and assimilated. I mean,
it wasn't we're not talking about that degree of of alienage,
you know, between German people. But Hitler was correct, and
uh what he described as you know, the kind of
shattering catalysts of the Thirty Years War and you know,
uh later modernity on the Germans as the people and
thus Europeans as a people. You know. So that's uh,
that's key. And I mean I and of course to
the the thing to keep anybody who anybody who views
himself as possessing a mandate, a providential mandate, uh A
a world historical right, if you will. Anyone who finds
themselves in circumstances where they are the agent of of history,
or of providence or of a divine will. You know,
whether you're talking about Cromwell or Muhammad, or Hiller or
Napoleon or Genghis Khan, you're gonna be forced to say
aside conventional moral considerations because at a at at a
certain scale, and that that just doesn't apply anymore, you know,
And that's certain the exigence, the exigency is presented, do
not allow or individuated moral judgments. That's just reality, you know.
I And people want to pretend like that's an Italien
phenomenon to America, So I think it's absolutely not. That's whatever.
During the Cold War, that's what every every man who
who took the oath of office had to be prepared
to kill tens of millions of a Soviets. I mean,
like that's you know, within minutes potentially, you know, so
Americans don't going to echo aloof and say like, oh no,
this is an alibi of you know, people in the
old world who you know becausessor developed moral understanding. But
you know, the one of the things about people like Hitler,
like Muhammad, like Cromwell, despite the kind of dummy cliffs
notes propaganda versions of Hitler's a sendency or of like
or or what these like chet Nick types and these
Zionist say about, like Muhammad, you can be the biggest
con man in the world, and like people aren't gonna
people aren't gonna follow you like you're a prophet, or
they're not gonna they're not gonna decide you're like a
stride history and you know, and and and and and
just you know, say yeah, I agree with you. You're
a messianic person just because you say so. That's not
the way things work. Like Hitler was the fear, because
that's what eighty million people said. You know, Muhammad apparently
was a messenger of God because well, the entire Arabian
peninsula said he was. You know. Agur Cromwell was never
particularly religious. When he was about forty years old, he
started claiming he was in communion with God. And he
had no military experience, but he just like one day
raised an army and uh went and cut the king's
head off, you know what I mean? Like that, you
can you can't just like decide that what you're gonna be,
you know, and you can't you can't just you can't
just say like subtle circumstances and how facilitated this like
mythology being developed after the facts, you know. So I
mean there's there's that too, I but I focused on
what it did today because, like I said, they kind
of the main excluding Tall and obviously the main court
history biographies of of Adolf Hitler. They claim that Hitler's
early life and his purported psychological frailties and mythologies they're
in is what made him evil, and that coupled with
this like irrational desire for revenge in the week of
World War One, his constitutes like you know, the the
the psychological landscape of of of of Hitler. Okay, and
none of that makes any sense, But that's why I
focused on what I did. And also I didn't if
people had the things they wanted to raise about the series. Generally,
I thought we'd cover that, but I put a solicited question.
People didn't really have anything outstanding, at least at least
it hadn't kind of been asked and answered. But that's
that's uh, yeah, what I got for today. Man s
for being this being kind of brief, but like I said,
you can tell him not at one hundred percent yet,
but I hope.
Speaker 1: Uh not a problem.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I hope I would like it.
Speaker 1: I think I would like to do an episode one
day where we just asked the tough questions about about him.
Speaker 2: No, that's fine man, And I'm always yeah, I uh,
people always getting on me to do a space I
I don't really like Twitter is like the platform to
do live stuff, but we should do. I definitely like
to do a stream on Hitler, you know, like basically
on our series that we just completed, but you know,
outstanding questions and stuff that people want to take up.
Speaker 1: Sure, I have a bunch too. So well it's two
plugs and uh, let you get back to heal it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll be fine, man, I mean I but yeah,
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Speaker 1: All that.
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a colleague of mine, we're we're putting together some immerseed
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Thank you.
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