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Speaker 2: Before the show, oftentimes we'll sit around and just talk
Speaker 2: about what we've seen over the weekend.
Speaker 3: Stuff we like, stuff we don't like.
Speaker 2: Will warn each other, Hey, you better not waste your
Speaker 2: time on this, so you better spend your time doing this.
Speaker 2: Much to my surprise, when we had our conversation tonight
Speaker 2: before the show, I was sitting down with Tawala and
Speaker 2: he was letting me know his review of it hurts.
Speaker 2: You know, Alien's Romulus. I thought that you love it.
Speaker 2: Mark thought, did you love it? You didn't love it.
Speaker 3: I didn't love it. I didn't love it.
Speaker 4: I was first two acts, I thought I was good.
Speaker 4: I liked how it carried on the Alien story, like
Speaker 4: how it was set in that universe. But there are
Speaker 4: too many silly things that happened, and by the time
Speaker 4: it got to that third act, I was just outdone
Speaker 4: with some of the stupid things that happened and the
Speaker 4: ridiculousness of the final over reveal of the creature. It
Speaker 4: was just I just I was laughing in the theater.
Speaker 4: I was like, get me out of here. The redo
Speaker 4: of the Ripley line facing the Queen Alien, don't give
Speaker 4: it a.
Speaker 3: No what I'm saying that was stupid.
Speaker 4: Again, there was just so many things that happened when
Speaker 4: I said to myself, Okay, you really really.
Speaker 3: Let me down in the end.
Speaker 4: I would see another edition of this if they're going
Speaker 4: to continue off with this franchis, because there was still
Speaker 4: a lot of things set in the Aliens universe, but
Speaker 4: no and Aliens. This was not Alien. This was not
Speaker 4: This was kind of like something for people who never
Speaker 4: saw those movies.
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, it is still the number two movie in America.
Speaker 2: It brought in sixteen point three million this week, and
Speaker 2: it even added thirty theaters, which you don't usually see
Speaker 2: for horror movies. They don't usually add theaters like that,
Speaker 2: so it was up to thirty nine hundred theater or
Speaker 2: screens and it brought in sixteen million, coming number two,
Speaker 2: number one, the biggest movie of the summer. Possibly when
Speaker 2: all is Sudden done, Deadpool and Wolverine is back to
Speaker 2: number one. Brought in eighteen million. It's gross domestically is
Speaker 2: five hundred and seventy seven million. It's one point two
Speaker 2: billion worldwide. I don't know if it'll be able to
Speaker 2: catch Inside Out too. It's less likely, but it's still
Speaker 2: hanging in there, coming at number three. It ends with us,
Speaker 2: I don't know who's seeing that movie. I really have
Speaker 2: no idea. Romantics, yeah, but I just don't know of
Speaker 2: anyone in my friends circle and family who's seen it.
Speaker 3: Blake twice.
Speaker 2: First week out failed miserably with seven point three million
Speaker 2: given all the promotion for it, and it did fourteen
Speaker 2: million worldwide, so it was released internationally as well. Surprisingly,
Speaker 2: we spoke to the star of the movie The Forge.
Speaker 2: You heard him on the show, Aspen Kennedy, and The
Speaker 2: Forge only had a budget of five million dollars but
Speaker 2: still came in fifth this week with more than six
Speaker 2: point six million in domestic ticket sales. Word, why do
Speaker 2: you think that is?
Speaker 4: I think that The Forge had quite possibly one of
Speaker 4: the most aggressive and successful social media campaigns I have
Speaker 4: ever seen. I mean, it was posted on every page
Speaker 4: that I visited as if it was an actual personality,
Speaker 4: posting stories about itself, from the conversations with the actors, a.
Speaker 3: Pair of clips, everything.
Speaker 4: I mean, this thing was everywhere social media wise, and
Speaker 4: I think that's what grabbed people. Just people wanted to
Speaker 4: see what the hype was all about.
Speaker 2: I wonder if we're not at a point where that
Speaker 2: will be the main way in which movies are going
Speaker 2: to be promoted, because it's one thing to put a
Speaker 2: trailer in theater, but it's actually much more i'll say impactful.
Speaker 2: If you have a trailer which goes viral online. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you have people talking about the movie online having
Speaker 2: nothing to do with whether a trailer is available in theaters.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, because you got to think, even with
Speaker 4: Blink Twight doing as well as it did or not
Speaker 4: as well as it did, but Blink twits having as
Speaker 4: much promotion as it had, there was nothing about it online.
Speaker 4: There was no one talking about online, there was no presence.
Speaker 4: And so that's why yet people are still talking about
Speaker 4: Deadpool Wolverine, still saying you got to see it, see
Speaker 4: the third time, see it in three D, go see
Speaker 4: it because you got to see it, And that's it.
Speaker 4: In Aliens Romulus, I mean, yeah, it's still relatively new,
Speaker 4: so like I saw it this past weekend, So that's
Speaker 4: why that came in number two. But a film like
Speaker 4: The Forge five, it's already made its money back.
Speaker 2: And then some give some other context, the Forge was
Speaker 2: only in eighteen hundred theaters brought in six million. Blink
Speaker 2: Twice was in three thousand and sixty seven theaters Okay,
Speaker 2: not twice as much, but almost as twice as much
Speaker 2: and brought in only seven point three million. So the
Speaker 2: perse screen average for the Forge was thirty six hundred
Speaker 2: dollars and the perse screen average for Blink Twice was
Speaker 2: twenty three hundred. The Forge was overperforming by just about
Speaker 2: any metric, and I would be curious to see if
Speaker 2: the word of mouth still matches up with the pre
Speaker 2: promotion online because if it is, or if it does,
Speaker 2: it'll probably be expanded to more theaters and they'll have
Speaker 2: even a better weekend second weekend if they can expand
Speaker 2: that word of.
Speaker 4: Mouth hopefully, because it has a really, really endearing and
Speaker 4: needed story right now.
Speaker 2: But the real story of the week coming in at
Speaker 2: number eight, Twisters was number six, Core Line with number seven,
Speaker 2: but coming in at number eight was the Trash Bend
Speaker 2: Fire better known as the Crow.
Speaker 3: You heard from Mark Rodner.
Speaker 2: Who said do not watch this movie or something to
Speaker 2: that effect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a code brown for sure.
Speaker 2: It only brought in four point six million I don't
Speaker 2: know what the budget it was, but four point six
Speaker 2: million was not what they were hoping for.
Speaker 3: It's gonna lose money.
Speaker 5: I think we're guaranteed of that, and it's too bad
Speaker 5: because it's got a lot of like unearned goodwill. People
Speaker 5: love the Crow, but not a great job with that story.
Speaker 5: And I, you know, listening to Tuala's criticisms of Alien Romulus,
Speaker 5: I actually don't disagree with anything he said. I just
Speaker 5: to me, the pluses outweighed the minuses more. I like
Speaker 5: the action, I like the atmosphere, and I thought it
Speaker 5: was better than most of the sequels. But I really
Speaker 5: can't disagree with him on anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't disagree with him either, It's just that his
Speaker 2: concerns didn't bother me as much. Like, for example, you
Speaker 2: can say this plot point sucked or this was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but they were minor to me because I
Speaker 2: was comparing it as far as feeling experience storyline with
Speaker 2: Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and I thought Prometheus had such
Speaker 2: potential and then the movie did not meet his potential,
Speaker 2: and Alien Covenant just sucked beginning to and it didn't
Speaker 2: tie together any of the threads really from Prometheus, and
Speaker 2: it told a completely different story with David that I
Speaker 2: expected to see and so I got nothing out of it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Prometheus and Covenant really kind of swung big, and
Speaker 5: Romulus it felt to me more like a B movie
Speaker 5: almost it was.
Speaker 4: It was sci fi level to me. It was like
Speaker 4: something that could have been on the Sci Fire or
Speaker 4: should have been on streaming. If it was on streaming,
Speaker 4: I probably have been like this is racks. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: like going to go see that in the theater, I
Speaker 4: was like, this is streaming quality.
Speaker 3: Acting.
Speaker 2: It needed one star that much, I will say it
Speaker 2: needed one star. Did not have any stars.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's nobody in the cast that I cared about
Speaker 5: if they lived or died, and nobody we really even
Speaker 5: got to know. And the audio was so garbled that
Speaker 5: it was even hard to hear what they were to
Speaker 5: understand what they were saying to each other.
Speaker 3: But I still enjoyed the movie.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just managing level of expectations when you go
Speaker 2: to see a movie, because my last two experiences with
Speaker 2: the Alien franchise actually like the last four or five
Speaker 2: if you want to throw an alien versus Predator, they
Speaker 2: weren't enjoyable. So I didn't have high expectations, and for me,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fitting addition to that universe.
Speaker 2: I don't think he'll ever be able to recapture the
Speaker 2: magic of Alien because it was a straight horror movie.
Speaker 2: We talked about this and it was so very different
Speaker 2: from everything we had seen as far as space movies go.
Speaker 2: We've seen horror movies, we've seen i'll say space disasters,
Speaker 2: but we have seen hadn't seen a space horror disaster
Speaker 2: the likes of Alien in nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 5: It was a real brilliant mashup and well done too.
Speaker 5: I mean there had been sci fi movies that had
Speaker 5: done similar things before, like Pardon me It, the Terror
Speaker 5: from Beyond Space, which a lot of people have cited
Speaker 5: as the inspiration for the movie. I don't know how
Speaker 5: much they took from that, but they really, you know,
Speaker 5: they did, like what Spielberg did with Raiders of the
Speaker 5: Lost Arc. They took a bunch of crappy old things
Speaker 5: that they loved and just put them together and gave
Speaker 5: them the Cadillac treatment.
Speaker 3: That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess that's what George Lucas did with
Speaker 2: Star Wars, the whole spaghetti western.
Speaker 5: Well with old specifically like Buck Rogers type of movie series,
Speaker 5: right right, Well, you know, although Twalla hated it, I'll
Speaker 5: just say he hated it.
Speaker 3: No, let's not say hated it. But I can't recommend
Speaker 3: it in good faith.
Speaker 5: Even worse, you didn't bring us the alien head popcorn bucket.
Speaker 3: I really wanted.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't put any more money into that, and I
Speaker 4: literally walked out or thinking to myself, Man, if that
Speaker 4: would have been online, I would have been happy. But
Speaker 4: now I'm going home disgruntled. And that's it. Well hopefully proud. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean the The Killer was an okay, kind of
Speaker 4: like British take on John Woo's classic Killer.
Speaker 3: Is that Netflix?
Speaker 4: It's a peacock. Peacock. I just watched that last night.
Speaker 4: We're talking about that now, yeah the Killer? No, no, no,
Speaker 4: the Killer was.
Speaker 3: I was wondering what in God's name was the intent
Speaker 3: with that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like is this like it
Speaker 4: looked like more like a television series not a film,
Speaker 4: Like I should have been broken up into a bunch
Speaker 4: of episodes and could have been a British kind of something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like did John woo need to make what was
Speaker 3: going on? Oh? They just mailed it in. I don't
Speaker 3: know it's good.
Speaker 5: I'm still formulating my thoughts and I think I fell
Speaker 5: asleep before the very end of it, so I don't
Speaker 5: know how it ends.
Speaker 3: Did you get all the way through it? Twala? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw the end. I saw that. Is it worth finishing?
Speaker 3: That's the main question.
Speaker 4: It ends in a traditional, over the top, unnecessary you
Speaker 4: can't do that action fashion. But the whole film was
Speaker 4: like that. The whole thing was like, wait what you
Speaker 4: can't do that? But you know, but they did it,
Speaker 4: Like there was some moves that they did that. I
Speaker 4: was like, John Wu is high when he's doing this.
Speaker 4: Will was absolutely on was yeah, he was copying himself.
Speaker 5: And even with the to an extent with the shootout
Speaker 5: in the hospital hallway where they shoot out all the
Speaker 5: all the panes of glass, I really was wondering. I
Speaker 5: have to find out more about what the intent was
Speaker 5: behind all that, because if you remember the original Killer
Speaker 5: with Chow Yun Fat, that's an untouchable classic.
Speaker 2: Before we get out of here, what's the last best
Speaker 2: thing that John Wu has done?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know what he's what he did after
Speaker 5: that Mission Impossible movie that was any good? Did he
Speaker 5: kind of disappear in the US after that for a while. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I'm trying to think of. I can't think of.
Speaker 4: Something because the replacement Killer was that was like streaming
Speaker 4: rated s for streaming, But I wasn't like, oh, man,
Speaker 4: that's in my collection.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you only have done The Killers and
Speaker 5: Hard Boiled, that's enough for one.
Speaker 3: Lifetime, Nash. I don't know. We'll debate that some other time.
Speaker 3: It's Later with Mo Kelly CAFI AM six forty.
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Speaker 2: a Batman connection to the show and an update connection
Speaker 2: to a different show a play. What are you talking about, Moe, Well,
Speaker 2: Batman has a direct connection to this show.
Speaker 3: We'll tell you why and just a moment.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you're familiar with one iteration of Batman. Maybe you're
Speaker 2: a fan of the TV show from the nineties sixties.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're a fan of the Christian Bale Dark Knight version.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're a fan of George Clooney or Michael Keaton,
Speaker 2: any number, Val Kilmer. You know, if you're familiar with
Speaker 2: any of those Batman's, if you're familiar with Lego Batman,
Speaker 2: if you're familiar with any Batman televised or cinematic property,
Speaker 2: they are all owned by one person, just one. His
Speaker 2: name is Michael Eusland, and he's been on this show.
Speaker 2: I want to say what four or five times by now?
Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah, at least he's a very close friend
Speaker 3: of the show.
Speaker 2: If you see Batman in a movie like Justice League,
Speaker 2: he has to sign off on it. If you see
Speaker 2: Batman in any capacity, I'm not talking about a Bruce
Speaker 2: Wayne character that maybe some legals there, but if you
Speaker 2: see Batman on screen, it has to go by Michael Eusland.
Speaker 2: Animated films too, that's right, yep. Animn Joker and that's right.
Speaker 2: He was one of the preciage jokers.
Speaker 4: Anything related to Batman that has to do with on screen, smaller,
Speaker 4: big screen, Michael Eusland has to sign off on it.
Speaker 3: The first time he came on.
Speaker 2: The show, it was back on the Mo Kelly Show.
Speaker 2: He was talking about his memoir and it's called The
Speaker 2: Boy Who Loved Batman, told his origin, told about his
Speaker 2: growing up as a geek who went from teaching a
Speaker 2: comic book class as a junior at Indiana University to
Speaker 2: working at DC during the summers. He went to law
Speaker 2: school and then had got a job at United Artists.
Speaker 2: Next he had a front seat to the rise of
Speaker 2: early comic book movies, specifically.
Speaker 3: Batman, and he, through a lot of.
Speaker 2: Troubles difficulties, managed to secure the rights to Batman back
Speaker 2: when it was not popular, back when no one was
Speaker 2: really checking for Battman, and he was the one who
Speaker 2: came up with the idea of bringing a serious Batman
Speaker 2: to the big screen because people were familiar with the
Speaker 2: Adam West Batman. They were you know, the the pow
Speaker 2: and the sound effects and the comic book feel to it,
Speaker 2: not real menacing, not the dark Knight. Well, Michael Houston
Speaker 2: brought that version of Batman to the big screen and
Speaker 2: I would say it forever changed movies since then. If
Speaker 2: you want to talk about superhero movies and the superhero
Speaker 2: movies fatigue, it always goes back to that first Batman
Speaker 2: movie of nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 4: And his genius of going to Warner Brothers, going to
Speaker 4: DC and securing the film rights for this when again,
Speaker 4: when no one was checking for it was an absolute
Speaker 4: stroke of genius and essentially got it for next to
Speaker 4: nothing when you consider what he got out of it
Speaker 4: or what he paid for it, and what he's getting
Speaker 4: out of it now. Man, and he is still the
Speaker 4: one of the geekiest, nerdiest individuals you will ever talk to.
Speaker 2: He is, he is, He is such a great guy.
Speaker 2: His memoir what I told you, was called The Boy
Speaker 2: Who Loved Batman. Well, it is going to be produced
Speaker 2: as a stage play, and do you know who they're
Speaker 2: going to get to play Michael Uselin Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3: I do not know.
Speaker 5: And I've always been curious about how he got that
Speaker 5: satanic deal that he controls this, Like what did he
Speaker 5: pay for this?
Speaker 2: Well, we have to listen to the Mokel Show. I
Speaker 2: think i'll post that so he can tell the story himself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta find this out. I'll find it for you.
Speaker 2: But he's going to have If you're a fan of
Speaker 2: Fantastic Beasts, you know Dan Folkler, he's going to play
Speaker 2: Michael Euseland in his stage play.
Speaker 4: I like that, and I know the stage play is
Speaker 4: starting in Florida. But with how connected did we are
Speaker 4: to theater and with that Michael, do it to Michael
Speaker 4: as well. It is my hope that we can even
Speaker 4: you know, reach out to Michael and say, hey, bring
Speaker 4: this to LA.
Speaker 3: We actually know some people.
Speaker 4: Who you know, run a theater to out here that
Speaker 4: we can maybe, look, we need to be a part
Speaker 4: of bringing this to LA.
Speaker 2: They're connected to Nitalanders, so I don't know if they'll
Speaker 2: need our help.
Speaker 3: But the play.
Speaker 2: The play will run from October first through November tenth
Speaker 2: in Tampa, and they want to get it to Broadway.
Speaker 2: But I'm quite sure you know, they'll they'll get it there.
Speaker 2: And this is something where I would love, love, love
Speaker 2: to see to your point twelve, to see it grow
Speaker 2: to become a national thing. You know that it actually
Speaker 2: gets to Broadway, that we have a role in that.
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll need us, but it'd be nice to,
Speaker 2: uh to have a role in that.
Speaker 3: And have you had have you.
Speaker 2: Ever had a chance to meet Michael Eustland yet, Mark
Speaker 2: and all of your travels, we.
Speaker 5: Have come across each other's paths book work. We both
Speaker 5: did stuff for Dynamite and I think it was when
Speaker 5: I was writing The Avenger The Old Pulpiro and he
Speaker 5: was doing like The Shadow or something like that. They
Speaker 5: would always have creators interview each other and sometimes it
Speaker 5: works out really well, like I think Eustland was a good,
Speaker 5: sharp guy who had read the stuff and was asking
Speaker 5: intelligent questions. Other times it's just phoned in garbage from
Speaker 5: people who obviously haven't read what they're talking about. Right,
Speaker 5: Euceland struck me as a smart guy.
Speaker 2: He's smart guy, genuine guy. He's no false pretenses. You
Speaker 2: would never know if he just walked by you that
Speaker 2: he was mister Batman and is responsible for just about
Speaker 2: everything you've ever seen in your life on screen.
Speaker 3: Regarding Batman, I gotta tell.
Speaker 5: You though, before we go to a break, I won't
Speaker 5: tolerate any disrespect for the Adam West Batman. That was magnificent,
Speaker 5: And you have to put it into the context that
Speaker 5: the Batman comics were about to get canceled at the time,
Speaker 5: and that show saved everything. Also, even at this late date,
Speaker 5: it's hellilariously brilliant, brilliantly funny, and Adam West and Bert
Speaker 5: Ward are just two of the most gifted comedic actors
Speaker 5: of all human history.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious. It is funny. It is funny to me, Stefan,
Speaker 3: what say you? That was getting? What are you talking about? Sorry?
Speaker 3: We're talking about Yeah?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 3: What signs about? Which? Something like that? Who's entering? Who?
Speaker 3: A lot of entering? Look at the time.
Speaker 2: It's Later with mo Keller ca if I AM six
Speaker 2: forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. I'm sorry, Stephan,
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to catch off guard like that. You
Speaker 2: know I should have asked you about something else.
Speaker 3: This is how it's gonna go Friday too, is it?
Speaker 2: And if you're just tuning in, filling in for me
Speaker 2: on Friday will be none other than the Mark Ronner.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm coming down with something right now. Well,
Speaker 3: when we come back, we're going to get into the reasons.
Speaker 2: You know that Mark Ronner loves to talk about misinformation disinformation.
Speaker 2: We now have evidence as to why that is an
Speaker 2: impenetrable wall. You cannot get through it. And Mark, I
Speaker 2: think you'll greatly learn from this.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from
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Speaker 2: This is just for you, Mark Ronner. Is something we've
Speaker 2: discussed many times, but now there is some data to
Speaker 2: support what I think you and I already believed, and
Speaker 2: it had to do with misinformation. Some researchers used a
Speaker 2: method called a randomized controlled trial. They took one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty two college students and randomly split them into
Speaker 2: four groups. Each group read different combinations of texts about
Speaker 2: water fluoridation. Some texts had correct information, some had incorrect
Speaker 2: information or misinformation, and some directly addressed and corrected common misconceptions,
Speaker 2: and these are called refutation texts. Before and after reading,
Speaker 2: the students answered questions about their knowledge, feelings, and attitudes
Speaker 2: about the subject. By comparing the answers before and after
Speaker 2: and between different groups, the researchers saw how information and
Speaker 2: misinformation was interpreted. Here are some of the key results,
Speaker 2: and it will not surprise you, Mark, but now we
Speaker 2: have data to back it up. The groups that read
Speaker 2: the refutation texts which directly addressed misconceptions learned the most
Speaker 2: regardless of whether they read the correct information before or
Speaker 2: after the misinformation, meaning that when you clear it up,
Speaker 2: it has the most impact. When you directly address misinformation,
Speaker 2: the group that learned the least was the one that
Speaker 2: read the misinformation first, followed by just the correct facts
Speaker 2: without addressing the misinformation.
Speaker 3: Makes sense so far, Yeah, I'm following you, okay.
Speaker 2: And the study also found that reading correct information first
Speaker 2: helped reduce negative feelings about the topic.
Speaker 3: Who knew right? Who knew right? Now?
Speaker 2: The study acknowledges it had some limitations. It only looked
Speaker 2: at college students studying to be teachers, so the results
Speaker 2: may not apply to everyone, and it only focused on
Speaker 2: one topic, so it's not known if the same results
Speaker 2: would happen regardless of topics or non scientific topics. And
Speaker 2: also the study only looked at immediate effects. They don't
Speaker 2: know if the learning and attitude changes would last over time,
Speaker 2: or the cuulative effect of misinformation or the cumulative impact
Speaker 2: of refutation of misinformation. But if anything, I think it
Speaker 2: underscores the seriousness the impact of misinformation in a variety
Speaker 2: of ways, from our news media to perceptions and attitudes
Speaker 2: about our government, race relations, any number of things.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, COVID climate elections. I mean, misinformation can tear
Speaker 5: society apart and get people killed.
Speaker 3: Well, it's done that.
Speaker 2: I think a reasonable person can look at America right
Speaker 2: now and honestly say we are being torn apart. I
Speaker 2: think a reasonable person can say that we are at
Speaker 2: each other's throats in any number of ways over any
Speaker 2: number of subjects, from social media to real life or
Speaker 2: feelings about our politics and who's going to be president.
Speaker 2: It's pretty it's pretty stark. Actually, there was this article
Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to really dive into it,
Speaker 2: but was just published by the New York Post, and
Speaker 2: it says half of Americans under the age of thirty
Speaker 2: five would rather quit their job than work with political opponents. Okay,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying, let's say that is true if anything,
Speaker 2: and I haven't had a chance to really dig into it.
Speaker 2: It speaks to, once again, how we don't view each
Speaker 2: other as fellow Americans. We look at each other as enemies,
Speaker 2: and it bears itself out in any number of ways.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 5: And you know, the unstated context of what you just
Speaker 5: said is people may not want to work with somebody
Speaker 5: who doesn't think they have the right to exist.
Speaker 3: Okay, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I think people don't want to work with someone who
Speaker 2: doesn't think like them.
Speaker 5: There's the whole spectrum and where you land on that,
Speaker 5: I guess depends on the individual, and they're infinite, you know,
Speaker 5: permutations of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a wide spectrum there. But ultimately
Speaker 2: I think it's more negative than positive. I think we're
Speaker 2: trending in a very very very negative direction. And me
Speaker 2: and I don't think you would disagree with this. I
Speaker 2: think it all leads back to misinformation.
Speaker 5: It does, and rather than get into any specific topic,
Speaker 5: I spent a lot of time this weekend reading about
Speaker 5: COVID misinformation, and I started the week angry about it.
Speaker 5: I will say that when you hear anybody ever howling
Speaker 5: about cracking down on misinformation, just be aware they don't
Speaker 5: care about free speech. They're the bad guys. If you
Speaker 5: are covering for the liars and the spreaders of disinformation,
Speaker 5: take a long look in the mirror.
Speaker 2: I think people generally, and I've said this before, they
Speaker 2: want affirmation. They're not looking for information, So anything which
Speaker 2: reinforms their worldview or is preferential to their politic outlook
Speaker 2: will be accepted, whether it's accurate or not. Because we're
Speaker 2: not looking for the facts. And when I'm making a
Speaker 2: broad brush generalization, we're not looking for facts. We're not
Speaker 2: interested in facts as Americans, and so the byproduct of
Speaker 2: that is whatever feeds our worldview.
Speaker 3: That's what we're going with.
Speaker 2: If we believe that COVID was a hoax, then anything
Speaker 2: we read or digest will be consistent with that. If
Speaker 2: we believe that we fake the moon landing, then anything
Speaker 2: that we want to hold up as fact will be
Speaker 2: consistent with that. If someone wants to say that the
Speaker 2: NBA is rigged or our elections are rigged, then anything
Speaker 2: which is consistent with that will be accepted into their mind.
Speaker 3: You're not about to tell me that Stanley Kubrick didn't
Speaker 3: fake the moon landing, are you. No?
Speaker 5: No, I would say, okay, thank you. I would never
Speaker 5: smirch his name. But I mean, on this subject, there
Speaker 5: are two kinds of people, right. They're the kinds that
Speaker 5: you're talking about that exist for confirmation bias, and they're
Speaker 5: the kind who when they're they're faced with actual evidence, information,
Speaker 5: legit information that conflicts with their beliefs, they alter their
Speaker 5: beliefs to suit reality.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem many people today, and I can't
Speaker 2: quantify this, but I know it's many people are so
Speaker 2: invested in their opinions that anything which is counter or
Speaker 2: contrary to them somehow breaks down their sense of self.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a lot of research showing that people
Speaker 5: just dig in their heels. Not everybody, but a lot
Speaker 5: of people do dig in their heels when they're presented
Speaker 5: with legit information that defies their beliefs and we're still
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what to do about that.
Speaker 2: And if it defies their beliefs, it's almost like they
Speaker 2: feel as if you're attacking them and their value as
Speaker 2: an individual because they're so invested in this. What happens
Speaker 2: if what you're so invested in is not true?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, for one thing, we've got to find a
Speaker 5: way to depoliticize things like science because because that doesn't
Speaker 5: help anybody at all. I mean, science, above all other things,
Speaker 5: should be independent of your political affiliation, your your cultural identity.
Speaker 5: It exists whether you believe in it or not, and
Speaker 5: ignoring it puts a lot of people in peril.
Speaker 2: It's weird because the tools that we use to devalue
Speaker 2: science are always scientific in the sense of we're going
Speaker 2: to use social media, we're going to use our phones,
Speaker 2: we're going to use these these things of technology to
Speaker 2: somehow devalue science.
Speaker 3: I've never quite understood. There's a little irony there isn't there.
Speaker 5: We're going to use these these things that are out
Speaker 5: of the Star Trek future tight to reassert your Taliban
Speaker 5: level beliefs that are basically you can trace back to
Speaker 5: the iron A or the Bronze A boj okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 3: And before we get out here, I have to correct
Speaker 3: one thing.
Speaker 2: When I was talking about going to Jason and I
Speaker 2: misspoke saying that they're going to Tom Sawyer Island. That
Speaker 2: was brought to my attention that was only going to
Speaker 2: be a Disney World, not disney Land. So yes, I
Speaker 2: got your messages, Yes, got your messages, got all forty
Speaker 2: five of them, at least that many.
Speaker 3: But I had a great time.
Speaker 2: I had a great, great time at Disneyland and Disney
Speaker 2: California Adventure. It's just different now as I get a
Speaker 2: little bit older as an adult, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: need to do everything. You get to do some things
Speaker 2: that you've been wanting to do didn't have a chance
Speaker 2: to do, And Disney gave him the opportunity to do
Speaker 2: that with a little bit more time. Now, I don't
Speaker 2: know how Twala does it with the whole family on
Speaker 2: a day in which everyone is at the park and
Speaker 2: you may not have exclusive access. I don't know how
Speaker 2: he does it. It's a very, very very taxing day.
Speaker 2: It can be very taxing, and maybe we put too
Speaker 2: much on the day. Maybe we have too high of
Speaker 2: an expectation of the day. As I get older, I
Speaker 2: get more selective with my time, so it has to
Speaker 2: be my way. For example, if I were to go
Speaker 2: to a music concert, working in the music industry for
Speaker 2: so long, I'm accustomed to a certain level of access.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go to Staples Center or Crypto
Speaker 2: dot Com and sit in the rafters. I'm not even
Speaker 2: going to sit down front. I need backstage passes. I
Speaker 2: need to be able to go to the meet and greet.
Speaker 2: I need to be able to hang out afterward. I
Speaker 2: need access.
Speaker 5: There's parts of getting older that are kind of equal
Speaker 5: parts you're wiser and equal parts you're wearier. So like,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go to a concert and stand
Speaker 5: on my feet for three hours anymore.
Speaker 3: Right, that will never.
Speaker 2: Happen again in my life, not for any reason. Hey,
Speaker 2: the tickets are free. No, they're down front. Now, we'll
Speaker 2: send a limo for you. No, no, you.
Speaker 5: Know, you'll remind me when Howard Stern first started his
Speaker 5: serious show. And this is a while ago now, they
Speaker 5: invited me to come on. I can't remember why they
Speaker 5: wanted me, but I said what time. They're like, well,
Speaker 5: you know, it's like four or five in the morning.
Speaker 3: Whatever.
Speaker 5: I'm like, absolutely not, no way is that going to happen.
Speaker 5: And they say, well, we'll send a limo for you. Well,
Speaker 5: whatever you need, and I'm like, you're not hearing me.
Speaker 5: It will not happen in this lifetime, in this universe.
Speaker 5: And I feel that way about a lot of the
Speaker 5: things that we talk about here. They sound fun on
Speaker 5: the surface, but you just talked about having to get
Speaker 5: up at like five o'clock in the morning to go
Speaker 5: do a tourist someplace.
Speaker 3: No way would I do that. Look, it was difficult,
Speaker 3: but it was the least that I could do. Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, given this the deal that you were given,
Speaker 3: I understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know it was great, But it was
Speaker 2: also adult great where I didn't have to try to
Speaker 2: keep up with the young folks. I could sit at
Speaker 2: the bar for a little bit of time, have some jacks,
Speaker 2: and you know, just had I had an adult experience
Speaker 2: at Disneyland.
Speaker 3: What time was it that you were sitting at the
Speaker 3: bar five six am?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I was sitting there at it was
Speaker 2: I want to say, maybe eleven eleven thirty at night thereabouts.
Speaker 3: Oh, and they opened.
Speaker 2: Up California Adventure for just us from eleven to twelve,
Speaker 2: so we had full run of that park as well.
Speaker 3: Now does this include the Marvel stuff, Yes, Aventures Campus
Speaker 3: everything I want to see, all that I just haven't
Speaker 3: been able to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for example, I got some early in the day
Speaker 2: video from the Ventures campus. You'll see Deadpool and Wolverine
Speaker 2: on my Instagram. But at night they shut down the
Speaker 2: whole park, just with the exception of the media. Because
Speaker 2: we're so important, very important. I tell everybody as often
Speaker 2: as I can how important. It was very cool because
Speaker 2: you got to see and we had gone to California
Speaker 2: Adventure in previous years because iHeart They sometimes have their
Speaker 2: Christmas party there, but the park was never completely open.
Speaker 3: Certain attractions were not open.
Speaker 2: I missed doing things mo and let's do more things well,
Speaker 2: you got to come outside more. You're the one who's
Speaker 2: always hiding.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get out and get out
Speaker 5: of my sepulcher more often.
Speaker 3: And they change.
Speaker 2: If you know, California Venture very popular ride Sourin used
Speaker 2: to be soaring over California and now it's soaring, just
Speaker 2: soaring because it goes all the way around the world.
Speaker 3: That's very cool. They've changed that. But you've never been
Speaker 3: on it souring like Soren kunker guard.
Speaker 2: Is it a philosophical lure, a r I n apostrophe
Speaker 2: like you're soaring?
Speaker 3: Oh? That changes everything? No way? Yeah, okay, what's not
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