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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Before the show, oftentimes we'll sit around and just talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what we've seen over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>Stuff we like, stuff we don't like.

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<v Speaker 2>Will warn each other, Hey, you better not waste your

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<v Speaker 2>time on this, so you better spend your time doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Much to my surprise, when we had our conversation tonight

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<v Speaker 2>before the show, I was sitting down with Tawala and

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<v Speaker 2>he was letting me know his review of it hurts.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Alien's Romulus. I thought that you love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark thought, did you love it? You didn't love it.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't love it. I didn't love it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was first two acts, I thought I was good.

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<v Speaker 4>I liked how it carried on the Alien story, like

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<v Speaker 4>how it was set in that universe. But there are

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<v Speaker 4>too many silly things that happened, and by the time

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<v Speaker 4>it got to that third act, I was just outdone

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<v Speaker 4>with some of the stupid things that happened and the

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<v Speaker 4>ridiculousness of the final over reveal of the creature. It

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<v Speaker 4>was just I just I was laughing in the theater.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, get me out of here. The redo

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<v Speaker 4>of the Ripley line facing the Queen Alien, don't give

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<v Speaker 4>it a.

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<v Speaker 3>No what I'm saying that was stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, there was just so many things that happened when

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<v Speaker 4>I said to myself, Okay, you really really.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me down in the end.

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<v Speaker 4>I would see another edition of this if they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to continue off with this franchis, because there was still

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of things set in the Aliens universe, but

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<v Speaker 4>no and Aliens. This was not Alien. This was not

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<v Speaker 4>This was kind of like something for people who never

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<v Speaker 4>saw those movies.

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<v Speaker 2>Interestingly enough, it is still the number two movie in America.

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<v Speaker 2>It brought in sixteen point three million this week, and

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<v Speaker 2>it even added thirty theaters, which you don't usually see

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<v Speaker 2>for horror movies. They don't usually add theaters like that,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was up to thirty nine hundred theater or

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<v Speaker 2>screens and it brought in sixteen million, coming number two,

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<v Speaker 2>number one, the biggest movie of the summer. Possibly when

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<v Speaker 2>all is Sudden done, Deadpool and Wolverine is back to

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<v Speaker 2>number one. Brought in eighteen million. It's gross domestically is

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred and seventy seven million. It's one point two

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<v Speaker 2>billion worldwide. I don't know if it'll be able to

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<v Speaker 2>catch Inside Out too. It's less likely, but it's still

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<v Speaker 2>hanging in there, coming at number three. It ends with us,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who's seeing that movie. I really have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. Romantics, yeah, but I just don't know of

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in my friends circle and family who's seen it.

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<v Speaker 3>Blake twice.

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<v Speaker 2>First week out failed miserably with seven point three million

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<v Speaker 2>given all the promotion for it, and it did fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>million worldwide, so it was released internationally as well. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>we spoke to the star of the movie The Forge.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard him on the show, Aspen Kennedy, and The

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<v Speaker 2>Forge only had a budget of five million dollars but

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<v Speaker 2>still came in fifth this week with more than six

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<v Speaker 2>point six million in domestic ticket sales. Word, why do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that is?

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<v Speaker 4>I think that The Forge had quite possibly one of

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<v Speaker 4>the most aggressive and successful social media campaigns I have

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<v Speaker 4>ever seen. I mean, it was posted on every page

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<v Speaker 4>that I visited as if it was an actual personality,

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<v Speaker 4>posting stories about itself, from the conversations with the actors, a.

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<v Speaker 3>Pair of clips, everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this thing was everywhere social media wise, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's what grabbed people. Just people wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>see what the hype was all about.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if we're not at a point where that

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<v Speaker 2>will be the main way in which movies are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be promoted, because it's one thing to put a

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<v Speaker 2>trailer in theater, but it's actually much more i'll say impactful.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a trailer which goes viral online. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you have people talking about the movie online having

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with whether a trailer is available in theaters.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I mean, because you got to think, even with

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<v Speaker 4>Blink Twight doing as well as it did or not

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<v Speaker 4>as well as it did, but Blink twits having as

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<v Speaker 4>much promotion as it had, there was nothing about it online.

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<v Speaker 4>There was no one talking about online, there was no presence.

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's why yet people are still talking about

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<v Speaker 4>Deadpool Wolverine, still saying you got to see it, see

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<v Speaker 4>the third time, see it in three D, go see

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<v Speaker 4>it because you got to see it, And that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>In Aliens Romulus, I mean, yeah, it's still relatively new,

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<v Speaker 4>so like I saw it this past weekend, So that's

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<v Speaker 4>why that came in number two. But a film like

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<v Speaker 4>The Forge five, it's already made its money back.

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<v Speaker 2>And then some give some other context, the Forge was

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<v Speaker 2>only in eighteen hundred theaters brought in six million. Blink

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<v Speaker 2>Twice was in three thousand and sixty seven theaters Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>not twice as much, but almost as twice as much

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<v Speaker 2>and brought in only seven point three million. So the

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<v Speaker 2>perse screen average for the Forge was thirty six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars and the perse screen average for Blink Twice was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three hundred. The Forge was overperforming by just about

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<v Speaker 2>any metric, and I would be curious to see if

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<v Speaker 2>the word of mouth still matches up with the pre

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<v Speaker 2>promotion online because if it is, or if it does,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll probably be expanded to more theaters and they'll have

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<v Speaker 2>even a better weekend second weekend if they can expand

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<v Speaker 2>that word of.

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<v Speaker 4>Mouth hopefully, because it has a really, really endearing and

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<v Speaker 4>needed story right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But the real story of the week coming in at

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<v Speaker 2>number eight, Twisters was number six, Core Line with number seven,

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<v Speaker 2>but coming in at number eight was the Trash Bend

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<v Speaker 2>Fire better known as the Crow.

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<v Speaker 3>You heard from Mark Rodner.

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<v Speaker 2>Who said do not watch this movie or something to

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<v Speaker 2>that effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a code brown for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>It only brought in four point six million I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the budget it was, but four point six

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<v Speaker 2>million was not what they were hoping for.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna lose money.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're guaranteed of that, and it's too bad

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<v Speaker 5>because it's got a lot of like unearned goodwill. People

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<v Speaker 5>love the Crow, but not a great job with that story.

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<v Speaker 5>And I, you know, listening to Tuala's criticisms of Alien Romulus,

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<v Speaker 5>I actually don't disagree with anything he said. I just

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<v Speaker 5>to me, the pluses outweighed the minuses more. I like

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<v Speaker 5>the action, I like the atmosphere, and I thought it

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<v Speaker 5>was better than most of the sequels. But I really

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<v Speaker 5>can't disagree with him on anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't disagree with him either, It's just that his

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<v Speaker 2>concerns didn't bother me as much. Like, for example, you

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but they were minor to me because I

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<v Speaker 2>was comparing it as far as feeling experience storyline with

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<v Speaker 2>Prometheus and Alien Covenant, and I thought Prometheus had such

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<v Speaker 2>potential and then the movie did not meet his potential,

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<v Speaker 2>and Alien Covenant just sucked beginning to and it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>tie together any of the threads really from Prometheus, and

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<v Speaker 2>it told a completely different story with David that I

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<v Speaker 2>expected to see and so I got nothing out of it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Prometheus and Covenant really kind of swung big, and

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<v Speaker 5>Romulus it felt to me more like a B movie

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<v Speaker 5>almost it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was sci fi level to me. It was like

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<v Speaker 4>something that could have been on the Sci Fire or

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<v Speaker 4>should have been on streaming. If it was on streaming,

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<v Speaker 4>I probably have been like this is racks. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>like going to go see that in the theater, I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, this is streaming quality.

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<v Speaker 3>Acting.

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<v Speaker 2>It needed one star that much, I will say it

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<v Speaker 2>needed one star. Did not have any stars.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's nobody in the cast that I cared about

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<v Speaker 5>if they lived or died, and nobody we really even

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<v Speaker 5>got to know. And the audio was so garbled that

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<v Speaker 5>it was even hard to hear what they were to

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<v Speaker 3>But I still enjoyed the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's just managing level of expectations when you go

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<v Speaker 2>to see a movie, because my last two experiences with

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<v Speaker 2>the Alien franchise actually like the last four or five

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to throw an alien versus Predator, they

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<v Speaker 2>weren't enjoyable. So I didn't have high expectations, and for me,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a fitting addition to that universe.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he'll ever be able to recapture the

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<v Speaker 2>magic of Alien because it was a straight horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this and it was so very different

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<v Speaker 2>from everything we had seen as far as space movies go.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen horror movies, we've seen i'll say space disasters,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have seen hadn't seen a space horror disaster

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<v Speaker 2>the likes of Alien in nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a real brilliant mashup and well done too.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean there had been sci fi movies that had

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<v Speaker 5>done similar things before, like Pardon me It, the Terror

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<v Speaker 5>from Beyond Space, which a lot of people have cited

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<v Speaker 5>as the inspiration for the movie. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 5>much they took from that, but they really, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they did, like what Spielberg did with Raiders of the

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<v Speaker 5>Lost Arc. They took a bunch of crappy old things

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<v Speaker 5>that they loved and just put them together and gave

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<v Speaker 5>them the Cadillac treatment.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess that's what George Lucas did with

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars, the whole spaghetti western.

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<v Speaker 5>Well with old specifically like Buck Rogers type of movie series,

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<v Speaker 5>just say he hated it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, let's not say hated it. But I can't recommend

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<v Speaker 3>it in good faith.

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<v Speaker 5>Even worse, you didn't bring us the alien head popcorn bucket.

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<v Speaker 3>I really wanted.

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't put any more money into that, and I

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<v Speaker 4>literally walked out or thinking to myself, Man, if that

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<v Speaker 4>would have been online, I would have been happy. But

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<v Speaker 4>now I'm going home disgruntled. And that's it. Well hopefully proud. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean the The Killer was an okay, kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like British take on John Woo's classic Killer.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that Netflix?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a peacock. Peacock. I just watched that last night.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about that now, yeah the Killer? No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>the Killer was.

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<v Speaker 3>I was wondering what in God's name was the intent

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like is this like it

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<v Speaker 4>looked like more like a television series not a film,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I should have been broken up into a bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of episodes and could have been a British kind of something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like did John woo need to make what was

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<v Speaker 3>going on? Oh? They just mailed it in. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know it's good.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still formulating my thoughts and I think I fell

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<v Speaker 5>asleep before the very end of it, so I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how it ends.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you get all the way through it? Twala? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I saw the end. I saw that. Is it worth finishing?

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<v Speaker 4>Will was absolutely on was yeah, he was copying himself.

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<v Speaker 2>We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app and we have

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<v Speaker 2>to a different show a play. What are you talking about, Moe, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Batman has a direct connection to this show.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're familiar with one iteration of Batman. Maybe you're

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<v Speaker 2>a fan of the TV show from the nineties sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you're a fan of George Clooney or Michael Keaton,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're familiar with any Batman televised or cinematic property,

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<v Speaker 2>they are all owned by one person, just one. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Michael Eusland, and he's been on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say what four or five times by now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, yeah, at least he's a very close friend

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<v Speaker 2>If you see Batman in a movie like Justice League,

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<v Speaker 2>Batman in any capacity, I'm not talking about a Bruce

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<v Speaker 2>see Batman on screen, it has to go by Michael Eusland.

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<v Speaker 2>Animated films too, that's right, yep. Animn Joker and that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one of the preciage jokers.

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<v Speaker 4>Anything related to Batman that has to do with on screen, smaller,

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<v Speaker 3>The first time he came on.

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<v Speaker 2>The show, it was back on the Mo Kelly Show.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking about his memoir and it's called The

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<v Speaker 2>Boy Who Loved Batman, told his origin, told about his

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<v Speaker 3>Batman, and he, through a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>really checking for Battman, and he was the one who

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<v Speaker 2>Adam West Batman. They were you know, the the pow

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<v Speaker 2>and the sound effects and the comic book feel to it,

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<v Speaker 2>not real menacing, not the dark Knight. Well, Michael Houston

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<v Speaker 2>I would say it forever changed movies since then. If

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<v Speaker 2>movies fatigue, it always goes back to that first Batman

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<v Speaker 4>And his genius of going to Warner Brothers, going to

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<v Speaker 4>DC and securing the film rights for this when again,

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<v Speaker 4>one of the geekiest, nerdiest individuals you will ever talk to.

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<v Speaker 2>He is, he is, He is such a great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>His memoir what I told you, was called The Boy

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<v Speaker 2>Who Loved Batman. Well, it is going to be produced

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<v Speaker 2>as a stage play, and do you know who they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to play Michael Uselin Mark Ronner.

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<v Speaker 3>I do not know.

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<v Speaker 5>And I've always been curious about how he got that

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<v Speaker 5>satanic deal that he controls this, Like what did he

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<v Speaker 5>pay for this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we have to listen to the Mokel Show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think i'll post that so he can tell the story himself. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta find this out. I'll find it for you.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's going to have If you're a fan of

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic Beasts, you know Dan Folkler, he's going to play

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<v Speaker 4>I like that, and I know the stage play is

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<v Speaker 4>starting in Florida. But with how connected did we are

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<v Speaker 4>to theater and with that Michael, do it to Michael

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<v Speaker 3>We actually know some people.

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<v Speaker 4>Who you know, run a theater to out here that

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<v Speaker 4>we can maybe, look, we need to be a part

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<v Speaker 2>They're connected to Nitalanders, so I don't know if they'll

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<v Speaker 3>But the play.

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<v Speaker 2>The play will run from October first through November tenth

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<v Speaker 2>in Tampa, and they want to get it to Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm quite sure you know, they'll they'll get it there.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is something where I would love, love, love

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<v Speaker 2>to see to your point twelve, to see it grow

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<v Speaker 2>to become a national thing. You know that it actually

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they'll need us, but it'd be nice to,

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<v Speaker 2>uh to have a role in that.

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<v Speaker 3>And have you had have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Ever had a chance to meet Michael Eustland yet, Mark

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<v Speaker 2>and all of your travels, we.

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<v Speaker 5>Have come across each other's paths book work. We both

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<v Speaker 5>intelligent questions. Other times it's just phoned in garbage from

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<v Speaker 5>Euceland struck me as a smart guy.

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<v Speaker 2>He's smart guy, genuine guy. He's no false pretenses. You

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<v Speaker 2>he was mister Batman and is responsible for just about

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<v Speaker 3>Regarding Batman, I gotta tell.

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<v Speaker 5>You though, before we go to a break, I won't

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<v Speaker 5>tolerate any disrespect for the Adam West Batman. That was magnificent,

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<v Speaker 5>And you have to put it into the context that

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<v Speaker 5>the Batman comics were about to get canceled at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>and that show saved everything. Also, even at this late date,

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<v Speaker 5>it's hellilariously brilliant, brilliantly funny, and Adam West and Bert

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<v Speaker 3>what say you? That was getting? What are you talking about? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 5>What?

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<v Speaker 3>What signs about? Which? Something like that? Who's entering? Who?

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of entering? Look at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Later with mo Keller ca if I AM six

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<v Speaker 2>forty Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio App. I'm sorry, Stephan,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to catch off guard like that. You

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<v Speaker 3>This is how it's gonna go Friday too, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're just tuning in, filling in for me

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday will be none other than the Mark Ronner.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like I'm coming down with something right now. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>when we come back, we're going to get into the reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that Mark Ronner loves to talk about misinformation disinformation.

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<v Speaker 2>We now have evidence as to why that is an

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<v Speaker 2>impenetrable wall. You cannot get through it. And Mark, I

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 2>Six Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Mister Moro Kelly here,

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<v Speaker 2>This is just for you, Mark Ronner. Is something we've

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<v Speaker 2>discussed many times, but now there is some data to

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<v Speaker 2>support what I think you and I already believed, and

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<v Speaker 2>it had to do with misinformation. Some researchers used a

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<v Speaker 2>method called a randomized controlled trial. They took one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>four groups. Each group read different combinations of texts about

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<v Speaker 2>water fluoridation. Some texts had correct information, some had incorrect

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<v Speaker 2>information or misinformation, and some directly addressed and corrected common misconceptions,

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<v Speaker 2>and these are called refutation texts. Before and after reading,

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<v Speaker 2>the students answered questions about their knowledge, feelings, and attitudes

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<v Speaker 2>about the subject. By comparing the answers before and after

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<v Speaker 2>and between different groups, the researchers saw how information and

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<v Speaker 2>misinformation was interpreted. Here are some of the key results,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will not surprise you, Mark, but now we

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<v Speaker 2>have data to back it up. The groups that read

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<v Speaker 2>the refutation texts which directly addressed misconceptions learned the most

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether they read the correct information before or

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<v Speaker 2>after the misinformation, meaning that when you clear it up,

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<v Speaker 2>it has the most impact. When you directly address misinformation,

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<v Speaker 2>the group that learned the least was the one that

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<v Speaker 2>read the misinformation first, followed by just the correct facts

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<v Speaker 2>without addressing the misinformation.

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<v Speaker 3>Makes sense so far, Yeah, I'm following you, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And the study also found that reading correct information first

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<v Speaker 2>helped reduce negative feelings about the topic.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knew right? Who knew right? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>The study acknowledges it had some limitations. It only looked

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<v Speaker 2>at college students studying to be teachers, so the results

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<v Speaker 2>may not apply to everyone, and it only focused on

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<v Speaker 2>one topic, so it's not known if the same results

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<v Speaker 2>would happen regardless of topics or non scientific topics. And

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<v Speaker 2>also the study only looked at immediate effects. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>or the cuulative effect of misinformation or the cumulative impact

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<v Speaker 2>of refutation of misinformation. But if anything, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>underscores the seriousness the impact of misinformation in a variety

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<v Speaker 2>about our government, race relations, any number of things.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, COVID climate elections. I mean, misinformation can tear

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<v Speaker 5>society apart and get people killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's done that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a reasonable person can look at America right

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<v Speaker 2>now and honestly say we are being torn apart. I

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<v Speaker 2>think a reasonable person can say that we are at

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<v Speaker 2>each other's throats in any number of ways over any

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<v Speaker 2>number of subjects, from social media to real life or

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<v Speaker 2>feelings about our politics and who's going to be president.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty it's pretty stark. Actually, there was this article

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't had a chance to really dive into it,

436
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<v Speaker 2>but was just published by the New York Post, and

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<v Speaker 2>it says half of Americans under the age of thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five would rather quit their job than work with political opponents. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm saying, let's say that is true if anything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't had a chance to really dig into it.

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<v Speaker 2>It speaks to, once again, how we don't view each

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<v Speaker 2>other as fellow Americans. We look at each other as enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>and it bears itself out in any number of ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, the unstated context of what you just

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<v Speaker 5>said is people may not want to work with somebody

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<v Speaker 5>who doesn't think they have the right to exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people don't want to work with someone who

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't think like them.

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<v Speaker 5>There's the whole spectrum and where you land on that,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess depends on the individual, and they're infinite, you know,

453
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<v Speaker 5>permutations of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a wide spectrum there. But ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more negative than positive. I think we're

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<v Speaker 2>trending in a very very very negative direction. And me

457
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think you would disagree with this. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it all leads back to misinformation.

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<v Speaker 5>It does, and rather than get into any specific topic,

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<v Speaker 5>I spent a lot of time this weekend reading about

461
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<v Speaker 5>COVID misinformation, and I started the week angry about it.

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<v Speaker 5>I will say that when you hear anybody ever howling

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<v Speaker 5>about cracking down on misinformation, just be aware they don't

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<v Speaker 5>care about free speech. They're the bad guys. If you

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<v Speaker 5>are covering for the liars and the spreaders of disinformation,

466
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<v Speaker 5>take a long look in the mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>I think people generally, and I've said this before, they

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<v Speaker 2>want affirmation. They're not looking for information, So anything which

469
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<v Speaker 2>reinforms their worldview or is preferential to their politic outlook

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<v Speaker 2>will be accepted, whether it's accurate or not. Because we're

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<v Speaker 2>not looking for the facts. And when I'm making a

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<v Speaker 2>broad brush generalization, we're not looking for facts. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>interested in facts as Americans, and so the byproduct of

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<v Speaker 2>that is whatever feeds our worldview.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we're going with.

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<v Speaker 2>If we believe that COVID was a hoax, then anything

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<v Speaker 2>we read or digest will be consistent with that. If

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<v Speaker 2>we believe that we fake the moon landing, then anything

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<v Speaker 2>that we want to hold up as fact will be

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<v Speaker 2>consistent with that. If someone wants to say that the

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<v Speaker 2>NBA is rigged or our elections are rigged, then anything

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<v Speaker 2>which is consistent with that will be accepted into their mind.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not about to tell me that Stanley Kubrick didn't

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<v Speaker 3>fake the moon landing, are you. No?

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<v Speaker 5>No, I would say, okay, thank you. I would never

486
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<v Speaker 5>smirch his name. But I mean, on this subject, there

487
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<v Speaker 5>are two kinds of people, right. They're the kinds that

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<v Speaker 5>you're talking about that exist for confirmation bias, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>the kind who when they're they're faced with actual evidence, information,

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<v Speaker 5>legit information that conflicts with their beliefs, they alter their

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<v Speaker 5>beliefs to suit reality.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the problem many people today, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>quantify this, but I know it's many people are so

494
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<v Speaker 2>invested in their opinions that anything which is counter or

495
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<v Speaker 2>contrary to them somehow breaks down their sense of self.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there is a lot of research showing that people

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<v Speaker 5>just dig in their heels. Not everybody, but a lot

498
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<v Speaker 5>of people do dig in their heels when they're presented

499
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<v Speaker 5>with legit information that defies their beliefs and we're still

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<v Speaker 5>trying to figure out what to do about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And if it defies their beliefs, it's almost like they

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<v Speaker 2>feel as if you're attacking them and their value as

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<v Speaker 2>an individual because they're so invested in this. What happens

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<v Speaker 2>if what you're so invested in is not true?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Well, for one thing, we've got to find a

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<v Speaker 5>way to depoliticize things like science because because that doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>help anybody at all. I mean, science, above all other things,

508
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<v Speaker 5>should be independent of your political affiliation, your your cultural identity.

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<v Speaker 5>It exists whether you believe in it or not, and

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<v Speaker 5>ignoring it puts a lot of people in peril.

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<v Speaker 2>It's weird because the tools that we use to devalue

512
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<v Speaker 2>science are always scientific in the sense of we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to use social media, we're going to use our phones,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to use these these things of technology to

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<v Speaker 2>somehow devalue science.

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<v Speaker 3>I've never quite understood. There's a little irony there isn't there.

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<v Speaker 5>We're going to use these these things that are out

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<v Speaker 5>of the Star Trek future tight to reassert your Taliban

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<v Speaker 5>level beliefs that are basically you can trace back to

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<v Speaker 5>the iron A or the Bronze A boj okay, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>And before we get out here, I have to correct

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<v Speaker 3>one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was talking about going to Jason and I

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<v Speaker 2>misspoke saying that they're going to Tom Sawyer Island. That

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<v Speaker 2>was brought to my attention that was only going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Disney World, not disney Land. So yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>got your messages, Yes, got your messages, got all forty

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<v Speaker 2>five of them, at least that many.

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<v Speaker 3>But I had a great time.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a great, great time at Disneyland and Disney

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<v Speaker 2>California Adventure. It's just different now as I get a

534
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<v Speaker 2>little bit older as an adult, you know, you don't

535
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<v Speaker 2>need to do everything. You get to do some things

536
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<v Speaker 2>that you've been wanting to do didn't have a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to do, And Disney gave him the opportunity to do

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<v Speaker 2>that with a little bit more time. Now, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how Twala does it with the whole family on

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<v Speaker 2>a day in which everyone is at the park and

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<v Speaker 2>you may not have exclusive access. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>he does it. It's a very, very very taxing day.

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<v Speaker 2>It can be very taxing, and maybe we put too

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<v Speaker 2>much on the day. Maybe we have too high of

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<v Speaker 2>an expectation of the day. As I get older, I

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<v Speaker 2>get more selective with my time, so it has to

547
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<v Speaker 2>be my way. For example, if I were to go

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<v Speaker 2>to a music concert, working in the music industry for

549
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<v Speaker 2>so long, I'm accustomed to a certain level of access.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go to Staples Center or Crypto

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<v Speaker 2>dot Com and sit in the rafters. I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>going to sit down front. I need backstage passes. I

553
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<v Speaker 2>need to be able to go to the meet and greet.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to be able to hang out afterward. I

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<v Speaker 2>need access.

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<v Speaker 5>There's parts of getting older that are kind of equal

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<v Speaker 5>parts you're wiser and equal parts you're wearier. So like,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to go to a concert and stand

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<v Speaker 5>on my feet for three hours anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that will never.

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<v Speaker 2>Happen again in my life, not for any reason. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>the tickets are free. No, they're down front. Now, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>send a limo for you. No, no, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, you'll remind me when Howard Stern first started his

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<v Speaker 5>serious show. And this is a while ago now, they

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<v Speaker 5>invited me to come on. I can't remember why they

567
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<v Speaker 5>wanted me, but I said what time. They're like, well,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it's like four or five in the morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, absolutely not, no way is that going to happen.

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<v Speaker 5>And they say, well, we'll send a limo for you. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever you need, and I'm like, you're not hearing me.

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<v Speaker 5>It will not happen in this lifetime, in this universe.

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<v Speaker 5>And I feel that way about a lot of the

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<v Speaker 5>things that we talk about here. They sound fun on

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<v Speaker 5>the surface, but you just talked about having to get

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<v Speaker 5>up at like five o'clock in the morning to go

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<v Speaker 5>do a tourist someplace.

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<v Speaker 3>No way would I do that. Look, it was difficult,

580
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<v Speaker 3>but it was the least that I could do. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, given this the deal that you were given,

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know it was great, But it was

584
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<v Speaker 2>also adult great where I didn't have to try to

585
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<v Speaker 2>keep up with the young folks. I could sit at

586
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<v Speaker 2>the bar for a little bit of time, have some jacks,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, just had I had an adult experience

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<v Speaker 2>at Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 3>What time was it that you were sitting at the

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<v Speaker 3>bar five six am?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I was sitting there at it was

592
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<v Speaker 2>I want to say, maybe eleven eleven thirty at night thereabouts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, and they opened.

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<v Speaker 2>Up California Adventure for just us from eleven to twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>so we had full run of that park as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Now does this include the Marvel stuff, Yes, Aventures Campus

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<v Speaker 3>everything I want to see, all that I just haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been able to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for example, I got some early in the day

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<v Speaker 2>video from the Ventures campus. You'll see Deadpool and Wolverine

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<v Speaker 2>on my Instagram. But at night they shut down the

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<v Speaker 2>whole park, just with the exception of the media. Because

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<v Speaker 2>we're so important, very important. I tell everybody as often

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<v Speaker 2>as I can how important. It was very cool because

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<v Speaker 2>you got to see and we had gone to California

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<v Speaker 2>Adventure in previous years because iHeart They sometimes have their

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<v Speaker 2>Christmas party there, but the park was never completely open.

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<v Speaker 3>Certain attractions were not open.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed doing things mo and let's do more things well,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to come outside more. You're the one who's

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<v Speaker 2>always hiding.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I gotta, I gotta get out and get out

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<v Speaker 5>of my sepulcher more often.

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<v Speaker 3>And they change.

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<v Speaker 2>If you know, California Venture very popular ride Sourin used

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<v Speaker 2>to be soaring over California and now it's soaring, just

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<v Speaker 2>soaring because it goes all the way around the world.

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<v Speaker 3>That's very cool. They've changed that. But you've never been

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<v Speaker 3>on it souring like Soren kunker guard.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it a philosophical lure, a r I n apostrophe

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<v Speaker 2>like you're soaring?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? That changes everything? No way? Yeah, okay, what's not

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<v Speaker 3>gonna happen. We'll see you tomorrow.

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