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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the nonprofits everyone. And you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>weird is going on into college down in Florida, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to talk too much about it because

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<v Speaker 1>John Rona Bush has all the skinny and he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to fill us in on it. What do you got

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<v Speaker 1>for us, John.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Today we have a story of censorship and criminal

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<v Speaker 2>neglect by a college and the recently stacked board that

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<v Speaker 2>now runs that college, now taking a once secular school

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated to education and turning it into a Christian nationalist

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<v Speaker 2>hate factory. So New College as it's called, did what

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<v Speaker 2>they were told to do and wokeism in colleges that

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<v Speaker 2>have state funding. So they were the first test case

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<v Speaker 2>of this. In this case, the new board eliminated the

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<v Speaker 2>Office of Diversity and Equity and gender Studies program, so

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<v Speaker 2>they took all the resource books and materials and threw

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<v Speaker 2>them in a dumpster. Claimed they were following the law.

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<v Speaker 2>They only back pedaled on these already completed acts when

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<v Speaker 2>the press pointed out that that law doesn't say what

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<v Speaker 2>they claimed it does. Lies Always when the spokesperson from

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of event knows they have been caught and cornered,

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<v Speaker 2>they lie. And then when they give them another excuse,

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<v Speaker 2>they lie again, and when that's debunked, they'll lie again.

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<v Speaker 2>So it smells very familiar to me. The very idea

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<v Speaker 2>of academic freedom has been discarded by this board of

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<v Speaker 2>directors intentionally. The student body and activists, when they became

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<v Speaker 2>aware of the intentional destruction of educational materials, managed to

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<v Speaker 2>save some of the resources before they were carded off

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<v Speaker 2>to be destroyed. The students, of course, had a different

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what this was. The story is from Sarasota

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<v Speaker 2>Herald Tribune by Stephen Walker on August fifteenth, twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks John, I know you had looked into this story

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. Can you for listen on how these

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<v Speaker 1>books got to where they got to.

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<v Speaker 2>You're you're muted muted?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? Yeah, Basically, John covered it pretty thoroughly. The New

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<v Speaker 3>College of Florida scraps, the Gender University Center and Fox

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of books off campus without giving the students

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<v Speaker 3>uh the opportunity to buy or collect any of them,

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<v Speaker 3>which is strange because typically when the library does this process,

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<v Speaker 3>they're calling weading, which is taking out books that are

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<v Speaker 3>out of date and replacing them with books that are

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<v Speaker 3>up You know, the updated versions of those books. That's

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<v Speaker 3>what they're saying. They were doing with the you know this,

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<v Speaker 3>this dumbster full of books. It just happened to all

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<v Speaker 3>be GDC Gender Diversity, Gender and Diversity Center books because

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<v Speaker 3>there just.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to cut you off, but wasn't there

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<v Speaker 1>something about a donation box.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So what ended up happening was they got moved

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<v Speaker 3>from this dumpster into a donation box behind the building,

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<v Speaker 3>which is located, not to worry, several feet away from

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<v Speaker 3>the dumpster that they were originally in. So it's clearly

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<v Speaker 3>a separate, you know container.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that was I have a feeling it was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of planned, and I wonder if they, if they

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<v Speaker 1>really did put these books into the donation box, how

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<v Speaker 1>many people who did not agree with this program came

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<v Speaker 1>along and went, oh, I can keep this book as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm walking by. As long as it takes me to

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<v Speaker 1>walk by the dumpster, I'm going to keep this book.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a concern for me, Infidel. What were your

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<v Speaker 1>concerns about this?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Well, other than the obvious that pretty much any

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<v Speaker 4>time you're on the side of book banning, you're probably

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<v Speaker 4>not on the right side, and that I like both

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<v Speaker 4>of you, I definitely think this is something that was planned.

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<v Speaker 4>They were going to go ahead and dump these books,

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<v Speaker 4>get these out of there, follow the rules, get get

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<v Speaker 4>get this taken care of and they didn't expect the

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<v Speaker 4>blowback that they received from it, you know. And you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I kept thinking that previously they've told the students,

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<v Speaker 4>but they didn't this time. So that right there tells

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<v Speaker 4>me something. And I do find it interesting that Shannon Hausinger,

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<v Speaker 4>she's the New College of Florida's dean of the library

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<v Speaker 4>for the for the college that you know, they they

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<v Speaker 4>have taken over. This used to be a more liberal

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<v Speaker 4>college and now it's getting you know, pretty much desanticized.

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<v Speaker 4>And so her job was to get this taken care

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<v Speaker 4>of it. And I think that now that this blowback's occurred,

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<v Speaker 4>she's been placed on leave. And the truth is is

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<v Speaker 4>that the only reason I think that she's on leave

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<v Speaker 4>is because they needed to blame it on somebody. So

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<v Speaker 4>blame it on the new dean of the library. Move on,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's so I have been there since February, and

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they're trying to imply it that these books

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<v Speaker 4>were happen because of a failure to community of communication.

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<v Speaker 4>But we had people like Christopher Rufo bragging that we

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<v Speaker 4>abolished a gender studies program. Now we're throwing out the trash.

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<v Speaker 4>And he also bragged the first public university in America

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<v Speaker 4>to begin rolling back the encroachment of gender ideology and

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<v Speaker 4>queer theory on its academic offerings. This is a very

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<v Speaker 4>concerted and deliberate attempt, and to view it as anything

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<v Speaker 4>else other than censorship, I think at best is being naive.

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<v Speaker 4>But no, this is just more of the same. Let's

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<v Speaker 4>pretend that the others, whoever they are this week, doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 4>And now it's you know, gender studies. We've got to

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<v Speaker 4>pretend that doesn't exist. Let's get them in the trash.

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<v Speaker 4>As Zach de Larroca said, from raising against a machine,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't got to burn the books, they just remove them.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's exactly what they're doing here, just get them out. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. I did do a bit of a deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive into New College to find out a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about him. I didn't know anything about him. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought they were a private college at first, but it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that they started out as a Christian college

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty but they were taken over by the

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<v Speaker 1>state of Florida in sixty five, so they are no

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<v Speaker 1>longer a private college. They are a public college in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, is it? Desant disappointed? The six conservative

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<v Speaker 1>members to the college board, and four of them don't

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<v Speaker 1>even live in the state. One of them, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even think is qualified to be on a college board.

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<v Speaker 1>He's just a conservative activist. I'm not sure why he's

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<v Speaker 1>there at all. But these are the people that Fantis

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<v Speaker 1>put in charge to change this. I was reading I

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<v Speaker 1>was reading the story and it mentioned that they were

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<v Speaker 1>trying to pattern it after a private school in another state,

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<v Speaker 1>and I jokingly said, what are they trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>it Hillsdale College in Michigan. And as I started duping,

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<v Speaker 1>doing a deep dive, I found out that that was

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they were doing. They were trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>it like Hillsdale College in Michigan. So if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>know who Hillsdale is, go look him up. It's pretty sad. Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you had a lot more concerns about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know you know a little bit about Sarasota

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<v Speaker 1>in the community here there you want to fill us

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<v Speaker 1>in on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, Sarasota is a really it's a nice city,

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<v Speaker 2>and it tends to to to be fairly liberal because

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<v Speaker 2>it's an artist community. It's you know, it's an artist community.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of and cultural center basically, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very, very kind of erudype place. It's not a

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<v Speaker 2>place where there's a lot of necessarily visible pop poverty,

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<v Speaker 2>at least not in the city itself. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of art stores things like that, when they have

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<v Speaker 2>some fairly expensive sort of like their own rodeo drive.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is not the place you would think really

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<v Speaker 2>to see conflicts about this sort of thing. And they

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<v Speaker 2>said activists saved some of the books. Not a surprise

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<v Speaker 2>to me, because I think when the city finds out

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on, they'll probably have quite a few people

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<v Speaker 2>not happy with the university. So and probably already do.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a historic thing, and they have their

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<v Speaker 2>share of the moms for liberty types who want to

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<v Speaker 2>ban any book that says anything other than what they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to say. You know, it's just that in this

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<v Speaker 2>city like Tampa, which is kind of the blue spots

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<v Speaker 2>on the Florida map, it's not easy for people to

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<v Speaker 2>get through these things due to their particular boards on things. However,

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<v Speaker 2>when you get the heavy hitters from Tallahassee moving in,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets a little harder to maintain your individual city feel.

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<v Speaker 2>And so there are a lot of dishonest fear mongers

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<v Speaker 2>and lying, dishonest fear mongers that get in the way

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<v Speaker 2>with much of the what I consider a decent place,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they do have a lot of WU but

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't scare me as much as this Christian nationalists.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to hit them where it hurts kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>This college is in Sarasota, like I said, a city

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<v Speaker 2>with an artist commu community, so you can imagine that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not quite as conservative as the rest of the state.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it was I think important to make a

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<v Speaker 2>statement in Florida to get this college to be the

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<v Speaker 2>first one they actually tried this experiment with, and right

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<v Speaker 2>now it's winning. However, every one of these types of

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<v Speaker 2>initiatives from Florida that I know of so far have

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<v Speaker 2>failed in federal court. So we'll see what happens with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really do hope and I think they probably

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<v Speaker 2>already know about it, that the Freedom from Religion Foundation

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<v Speaker 2>or some of the the ACLU and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do something about this. But they're very busy right now.

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<v Speaker 2>We're nationwide, so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What your legal action can they take here? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>breaking the law at all? I don't know that they are.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know that there is legal action

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<v Speaker 1>to take.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, I think runs a foul of some of the

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<v Speaker 2>discrimination laws. I'd be it might be a stretch, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're deliberately targeting a minority group, so that is a

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<v Speaker 2>very that's breaking federal law.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they targeting the group though, or are they targeting

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<v Speaker 1>a program that they say is no longer a valid

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<v Speaker 1>program for the school? When they do it saying I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know that they're actually doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>legally wrong. And I know these guys got a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of lawyers behind them, and I know these lawyers aren't

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<v Speaker 1>always right, but in this case, I'm usually pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>at calling these things, and I honestly don't see anything

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<v Speaker 1>legal that they can sue over here. I really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there is there's a couple of federal laws that

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<v Speaker 2>this is breaking. Whether it's not, it's not it's worth

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<v Speaker 2>it to do that, but there is a question of

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<v Speaker 2>academic freedom as well. But the people actually said they

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<v Speaker 2>were doing this to get rid of students who were

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<v Speaker 2>pushing LGBTQ plus ideology. I literally said it. They literally said,

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<v Speaker 2>we're being bigoted here and we're going to do this

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<v Speaker 2>because we want to. And this is not a private college.

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<v Speaker 2>A private college could get away with that. A state

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<v Speaker 2>funded college will not if they if they want to

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<v Speaker 2>push it, however, it might not be somebody who would

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<v Speaker 2>be pushing that, who would be filing a lawsuit, may

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<v Speaker 2>not be doing it, do it because they know it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a slog right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I actually wanted to bring that up because Christopher Rufo,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people at DeSantis placed on the board.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a quote here from them. Oh boy, I

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<v Speaker 1>just lost it. Give me a second. Here it is

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<v Speaker 1>the student body will be recomposed over time. Some current

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<v Speaker 1>students will self select out, others will graduate, will recruit

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Rufo also happens to be the one guy I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think was qualified to be on the board. Eli, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think of this idea of reading out the students.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as you just described it, that is like to

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<v Speaker 3>accept students who are mission aligned. That is like private

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<v Speaker 3>school type speak. Like the last segment we did was

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<v Speaker 3>was private schools acting like public schools. Now we got

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<v Speaker 3>that's just so sinister to me. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I use that word more on a nonprofits than I

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<v Speaker 3>do like any other time in my life. But it's it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a couple of things here that I want to

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<v Speaker 3>denying that the books, that all of the books in

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<v Speaker 3>the dumpster belongs specifically to the Gender University Center. It

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<v Speaker 3>just happened to be the overwhelming majority of them because

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<v Speaker 3>they just happen to not have that program anymore. But

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<v Speaker 3>as we've already established it, this is for the purpose

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<v Speaker 3>restricting access to public education by discriminating against and trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get rid of students that are in marginalized groups.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think I can see what you were saying

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<v Speaker 3>a minute ago. Kelly. How's it's difficult to tell. Is

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<v Speaker 3>it ethically wrong, I think absolutely yeah. Is it legally wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>not sure. But when you look at it from the

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<v Speaker 3>lens of you know, they are restricting access to education

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<v Speaker 3>to already marginalized groups by further marginalized, by actively marginalizing them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Jonathan has a point. There's some discrimination, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>if not laws, at least regulations and anti discrimination programs.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. Like, if they got rid of

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<v Speaker 1>the Latin studies could have a Mexican community group to them,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that would Bosh and I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking at the same thing here. I understand that the

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<v Speaker 1>group that the studies is based on is a minority group.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a very maligned minority group as well, But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that just getting ready of the studying program

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<v Speaker 1>is attacking the minority group itself. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to run into some legal questions here.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, if they if they get rid of studies because

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<v Speaker 3>they don't have a Latin teacher, that's one thing. If

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<v Speaker 3>they get rid of Latin Studies because they want to

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<v Speaker 3>get rid of Latin students or Latino or Latina students.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a completely different matter, and that would be discrimination.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not saying they want to get rid of lg

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<v Speaker 1>They have not come right out and said that that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of what they're doing these things. We know what

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<v Speaker 1>we I mean, we can pretty much see what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here. But if we're going to take this apart,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to prove that this is what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>When when this board member openly states that that's the

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<v Speaker 2>reason for it and.

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<v Speaker 1>Want the LGBTQ students here.

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<v Speaker 2>So he openly stated that he's replacing those students because

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<v Speaker 2>there they are not the type of students they want.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand what he's saying, and I believe Kelly understands.

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<v Speaker 4>I know Kelly understands what he's saying. The problem is

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<v Speaker 4>is that, yes, is it morally reprehensible, Yes, should it

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<v Speaker 4>be legal? But you understand that we're in Florida, a

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<v Speaker 4>state that we're hearing this type of mentality becomes legal statute.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when we talk about a lot of these programs,

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about a state government that's actually enforcing, endorsing

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<v Speaker 4>and pushing these types of programs. So when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>down to legality on a state level, I don't see

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<v Speaker 4>any question on a state level. When it comes down

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<v Speaker 4>to a federal yes, look, this guy is hideous, Christopher Rufo.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it isn't just as it is horrendous view

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<v Speaker 4>on LGBTQ. He made the comment that New College previously

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<v Speaker 4>enrolled too many women and turned it into a social

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<v Speaker 4>justice ghetto. This guy is a terrible human being. This

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<v Speaker 4>guy is someone who shouldn't be in charge of anything,

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<v Speaker 4>much less educating students. Because yes, you're right, Jonathan, he

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<v Speaker 4>wants people he can mold into a mindset that you

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<v Speaker 4>and I both despise and loathe for good reason, because

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<v Speaker 4>we want children to go into a mindset of learning

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<v Speaker 4>to think for themselves and to make those conclusions. And

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<v Speaker 4>he's not and so yes, but does he say LGBTQ?

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<v Speaker 4>Does he explicitly say no? And reality is I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think it's illegal. But I think that the reason it's

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<v Speaker 4>important for us to bring this up is because we

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<v Speaker 4>need to remind people that, hey, remember back when they

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<v Speaker 4>pass these laws to say don't say gay, and where

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<v Speaker 4>we pass these laws about racism and all this. This

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<v Speaker 4>is what happens. You get booked, you get educational material

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<v Speaker 4>thrown into the trash like garbage because that suits their purposes.

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<v Speaker 4>And that is the most disgusting thing I can say.

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<v Speaker 4>But is it illegal? Okay, maybe that's not the most

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<v Speaker 4>discussed thing, because I don't think it is. And that

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<v Speaker 4>is completely reprehensible.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And since you just a point.

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<v Speaker 2>Of information on that that don't say gay bill was

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<v Speaker 1>And well I wanted to mention that something about that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Rufo was a big backer and supporter of that bill.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the same guy who's now in charge of

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<v Speaker 1>his college was pushing that built.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeap.

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<v Speaker 4>Fortunately, I'm not talking about legal statute. Yeah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>talking about legal statute. I'm talking about this is the

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<v Speaker 4>mentality in which we see the authoritory in view that

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<v Speaker 4>DeSantis is pushed onto Florida for years now has been

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<v Speaker 4>this intolerance squared and and what.

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<v Speaker 2>Happens when we get when he was governor, but and

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<v Speaker 2>that Marco Rubio got his uh senatorial election won by

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<v Speaker 2>the same sort of rhetoric. So they're they're they're the

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<v Speaker 2>politicians in the state of the Republican. Uh, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't say that the conservatives have taken over the state

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<v Speaker 2>the last ten years or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've been pretty silent throughout this whole segment.

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<v Speaker 1>You got something you'd.

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<v Speaker 3>Like to have? No, I started, I had a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit to say, started off that little TIFFs there, and

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of just watched it unfold.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>It was better is when we have those little tests.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to have to wait until next year

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<v Speaker 1>now for that punch John over it too.

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<v Speaker 3>So I did find this quote. I think I agree

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<v Speaker 3>with this person's sentiment. Faculty chair Amy Reid, who seems

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<v Speaker 3>to be on the position of not agreeing with tossing

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<v Speaker 3>away these books. She says throwing books away is throwing

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<v Speaker 3>away democracy, which I think is a really silly thing

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<v Speaker 3>to say. But I agree with her sentiment and that

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<v Speaker 3>it's like and I said before, censoring information, hiding information,

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<v Speaker 3>and getting rid of it is not the right way

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<v Speaker 3>to teach people, like the right thing. It's the right

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<v Speaker 3>way to teach them what you want them to learn,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's not the right way to teach them the

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<v Speaker 3>right thing. And I wouldn't quite say that it's strong

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<v Speaker 3>away democracy, but it's it's definitely not conducive to an

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<v Speaker 4>That's how to think, not what the thing exactly. They've

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<v Speaker 4>got theirs upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>But they.

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<v Speaker 1>Can also say the same thing on their side too.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, and I understand that. And with that in mind,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand that, you know, and the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 4>consistently throughout history, once again, I have to say that

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<v Speaker 4>the side wanting to limit information is consistently on the

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<v Speaker 4>wrong side. History doesn't tend to go. You know, those

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<v Speaker 4>people that tried to keep this secret from everybody else,

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<v Speaker 4>they were the awesome people that we all loved and respected. No,

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<v Speaker 4>usually they're the people that are keeping something for their

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<v Speaker 4>own control, are their own power, are their own self interest? So,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what we're seeing here. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 4>people want to remake this college like they want the

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<v Speaker 4>world around them the look, and they don't give a

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<v Speaker 4>shit about people who don't fit into that mold. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>if they don't fit the business model, yeah, they'll they'll

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<v Speaker 4>check out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I know, go ahead, do you like?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't kill you? I love how because you brought

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<v Speaker 3>this up? Andredelle, I want to mention it. I love

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<v Speaker 3>how like every time we get on here, we talk

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<v Speaker 3>about how like, no, stop hiding information from kids, give

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<v Speaker 3>it to them. Someone gets in the comments every single

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<v Speaker 3>time at time and starts calling us groomers. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that's fucking disgusting because what you do when you

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<v Speaker 3>start calling people groomers that are like, hey, let's like

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<v Speaker 3>be open and honest about information and like teach kids

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<v Speaker 3>real stuff, You're giving cover to real groomers and real

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<v Speaker 3>people that are actually trying to harm people. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>fucking disgusting. So get in the comments, say whatever you

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<v Speaker 3>want to argue with me, I'll argue back with you,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's fucking ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 4>You're taking away the impact of what those word, that

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<v Speaker 4>word means. When they start throwing words around like that,

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<v Speaker 4>they're devaluing not only those words, but they're devaluing the

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<v Speaker 4>experience of people who've had to be on the receiving

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<v Speaker 4>side those those type of disgusting behaviors. So they should

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<v Speaker 4>be ashamed of themselves for so frivolously throwing away or

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<v Speaker 4>throw out out a word like that just because well,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't agree with you. It's disgusting.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually kind of glad you brought that up, because

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to end the segment with this. You know,

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