WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.480 Jagger is their own force. So I obviously did something 2 00:00:02.520 --> 00:00:05.160 wrong and I apologize to the sports gods. 3 00:00:05.759 --> 00:00:08.919 You'll note how I You'll know how I've not mentioned it, Charlie. 4 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.119 The gods will ensure that that team loses as long 5 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:17.440 as you continue to mispronounce it. The gods football gods 6 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:20.399 are American, my boy, Ask. 7 00:00:20.519 --> 00:00:25.320 Not what your country can do for you, Ask what 8 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:26.960 you can do for your country. 9 00:00:27.679 --> 00:00:31.519 Mister gorbachaw tear down this wall. 10 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.640 It's the Ricochet Podcast. But Charles C. W. Cook and 11 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:38.079 Peter Robinson, I'm James Linox and today we talked to 12 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:40.840 Eli Lake about Israel and the effects of iddies on 13 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:43.280 the election. So let's have ourselves with podcasting. 14 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:46.880 We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on 15 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:51.359 the landing Grounge. We'll fight in the fields and in 16 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:56.280 the streets. We'll fight in the hills. We shall never surrender. 17 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.280 Now, look, my community knows who I am, and I'm 18 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:06.000 a knuckleheaded times but it's always been about that. Welcome everybody. 19 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.920 It's the Ricochet Podcast, number seven to eleven. That's right. 20 00:01:09.319 --> 00:01:11.760 We're not brought to you by the Southland Corporation, but 21 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.519 we are happy to be here. Anyway, providing all the 22 00:01:14.519 --> 00:01:18.359 things you need for your daily Internet podcast Joy. I'm 23 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:22.200 James Leleax in Minneapolis, beautiful fall day, and I'm speaking 24 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:26.840 again with Peter Robinson in Sonny Clement, California, and Charles C. W. 25 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:29.879 Cook in Florida. Where the weather could be humid or 26 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.040 not so much or sunny. You're beautiful or hurricane stricken 27 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.439 or whatever. In any case, you're here, good gentlemen. Welcome, 28 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:41.319 Thank you, James, thank you. So we had a debate. 29 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:46.359 We indeed had a debate, and there was some stuff 30 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.560 that had been leaked before that said that Waltz was 31 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.840 actually kind of nervous about this, and people were saying, 32 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:52.439 you know what, they're just trying to They're trying to 33 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.239 massage your expectations, so you're really impressed when he just 34 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.079 knocks it out of the park. And I spoke to 35 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.879 a few people who were in Waltz's corner and came 36 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:05.879 away from that the big permanent wins creased on their face. 37 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:08.080 For any number of things. The moment to me that 38 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.919 summed it all up was you can't shout fire in 39 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.639 a crowded theater being spoken by a man who presumably 40 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:19.639 is smart enough to no better run the country. What 41 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.039 were your takeaways from that? And do you think any 42 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.199 lasting impact on the election. 43 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:27.400 The way you put that question? And it is now 44 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.360 mandatory for us to give Charlie a moment to explain 45 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.800 why that nineteen nineteen constitutional decision is no longer of 46 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:40.439 any well, it's of relevance. I said, go ahead, Charlie, 47 00:02:40.439 --> 00:02:40.800 take it. 48 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:43.479 You guys have just wound me up. You've put me 49 00:02:43.520 --> 00:02:46.560 on the floor and wound me up because this annoys me, 50 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:50.599 as you know, immensely. This is a bat signal for me, 51 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:57.159 because it is everything that possibly could be wrong with 52 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.960 an American politician talking about free speeches encapsulated in that 53 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.479 moment from Tim Wallas. First off, it's falsely in a 54 00:03:06.520 --> 00:03:10.000 crowded theater something while with shouting fire and crowded theaters, 55 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:12.560 that there's a fire, You're just not allowed to do it, 56 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:15.319 if you're lying, if you're trying to cause a stampede. 57 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:19.080 Charlie, the phrase the phrase comes from give us the 58 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:19.639 historical hell. 59 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:21.439 I was going to say, more importantly, though, it was 60 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:25.000 an analogy, and it's a horrible analogy that thankfully was 61 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:29.159 overturned by Brandenburg. V Ohio in nineteen sixty nine. The 62 00:03:29.240 --> 00:03:34.520 analogy is with an immigrant who didn't speak English protesting 63 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.039 against World War One. So it wasn't actually about theaters 64 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:44.319 or fires, or falsehoods or panics. The argument was, if 65 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.560 you are out on the street handing out leaflets in 66 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.680 Yiddish telling people not to sign up for the draft 67 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:52.599 because it violates their constitutional rights, because you oppose a 68 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:54.639 war that is happening three and a half thousand miles away, 69 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:58.280 a war that was fairly disastrous, you are the equivalent 70 00:03:58.400 --> 00:04:01.319 of somebody who will ran into a thing and shouted 71 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:05.080 fire and caused a bunch of death, which is insane. 72 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:09.800 It is insane given the American tradition of free speech. 73 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.680 The entire purpose of the First Amendment, which above all 74 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:14.879 else says the freedom of speech, which is a term 75 00:04:14.919 --> 00:04:17.079 of art that meant something at the time of ratification, 76 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:21.480 above all else, protects the rights of American citizens to 77 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.680 debate whether or not what their government is doing is legitimate. 78 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:29.879 What could be more core to that than a war, 79 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.920 a foreign war. So that Timwore said this at all 80 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:40.040 is ignorant, but that he was saying it in the 81 00:04:40.079 --> 00:04:45.120 interest of justifying one of the worst laws ever passed 82 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:49.279 the Espionage and Sedition Acts of the twentieth century under 83 00:04:49.279 --> 00:04:53.240 Woodrow Wilson, and a Supreme Court decision that has thankfully 84 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.959 been made of moot and forgotten and is disliked broadly, 85 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.079 is even worse. Awful man, awful man who proved his 86 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:03.480 awfulness in that moment. 87 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:07.399 But hold on just a moment. The nineteen nineteen decision 88 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.519 Justice Oliver Wendelholmes Junior, who, even if the decision was wrong, 89 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:17.480 was a pretty remarkable figure. Let's see Bill Buckley used 90 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:22.959 to say, Alistair Cook, your countryman. Alistair Cook arrived in 91 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:26.279 this country in the thirties, and one of the first 92 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.040 interviews he conducted was with Oliver Wendelholmes Junior. And Holmes 93 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.000 shook his hand and said, my boy, you have just 94 00:05:34.040 --> 00:05:35.879 shaken the hand of a man who shook the hand 95 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:39.319 of Lincoln. And Bill would then, Bill, of course would 96 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:40.639 then say, you've shaken the hand of a man who 97 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:42.040 shook the hand of a man who shook the hand 98 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:46.120 with Lincoln. All right, Oliver Welde Holmes wrote, quote, the 99 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:50.480 most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a 100 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:54.759 man in falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing 101 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:01.120 a panic close quote in isolation. The sentence is sensible, Charlie. 102 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:06.759 Well, yes, but the analogy that it draws is used 103 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:11.120 to justify the imprisonment of anti war protesters. And if 104 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:13.560 you go back to that series, there are three cases 105 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.759 around that period. And it should be said, I'm not 106 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.160 a fan of Oliver Wendelholmes and Buckley savaged him in 107 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:24.839 National Reviews opening issue, but he did change his mind 108 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.319 on this question, I think because he saw it as untenable. 109 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:33.560 Around that period, in nineteen eighteen nineteen nineteen twenty, the 110 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:41.560 US Supreme Court upholds a whole host of grotesque imprisonments 111 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.920 on free speech grounds, one of which involved the Wilson 112 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:53.560 administration in prisoning Wilson's opponent, the socialist Eugene Debs. I mean, 113 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:56.360 this is a really low moment. This is the low moment. 114 00:06:56.399 --> 00:06:57.959 I will shut up in a moment. But let me 115 00:06:58.000 --> 00:07:00.600 just say this. I talk a lot about free speech 116 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.920 around the country, and I often note that there is 117 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:06.720 a great paradox, which is that free speech in the 118 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.639 United States is now more legally protected than it has 119 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:12.680 been at any point in the Republic's history. The protections 120 00:07:12.879 --> 00:07:16.720 that the Supreme Court has afforded the citizenry under the 121 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:19.560 auspices of the First Amendment have never been this good. 122 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:22.959 At the same time as we have probably less cultural 123 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.759 respect for free speech than we've had in a very 124 00:07:26.079 --> 00:07:29.879 long time. And when I run through the history of it, 125 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.399 because we've always had attacks on free speech. The slavery 126 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.399 powers were big into this in Congress and at the 127 00:07:36.439 --> 00:07:41.040 state level, abolitionists were often targeted. But the worst period, 128 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:43.600 without a shadow of a doubts the progressive era. The 129 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.720 progressive era is the nadea of free speech in the 130 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.480 United States. And if there is one case that sums 131 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:53.199 it up, it's this, because it takes an entirely sensible precept, 132 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.240 which is you can't go into a crowded place and 133 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:01.759 lie and cause a panic and be held innocent. Fine, 134 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.360 it takes that and it applies it to core speech, 135 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:10.920 and thank goodness, the Court in the nineteen sixties said, no, 136 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:11.920 we're not doing that anymore. 137 00:08:12.680 --> 00:08:18.680 Charlie, you're beautiful when you're angry, James. 138 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.800 There's nothing more to say at all. Is said what 139 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.639 needs to be said, And I mean Wilson said this 140 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.839 before about the need to combat misinformation, as so many 141 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.560 people on that side of the political equation. They would 142 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.080 like to use the instruments of the state to influence 143 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:37.440 or prohibit social media from saying certain things that fall 144 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:39.559 outside the parameters of what they believe to be the truth, 145 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:42.360 even though we know now later with the years of 146 00:08:42.399 --> 00:08:45.639 experience with COVID, for example, the things that people were 147 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:48.159 being banned for saying the hammer coming down on doctor J, 148 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.159 turns out to be the other doctor J turns out 149 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:55.440 to be correct pretty much, and their efforts to stifle 150 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:59.080 it only led to the erosion of the respect and 151 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:02.000 trust we had for those institutions. So yeah, no, let 152 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.679 me speak, let the marketplace decide. Let people figure out 153 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.320 whether or not what I'm saying is BS or not. 154 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:08.799 That seems to be a basic core American principle. And 155 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:11.519 anybody doesn't think that's the case, well then they're full 156 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.480 of spinach. And to help with them. Second thing we 157 00:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.720 have this week dodged a bullet when it comes to 158 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.679 the strike. There was going to be the guys who 159 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.960 offload the containers from the big ships were going to strike, 160 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.039 and normally I don't think that would really penetrate most 161 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:33.039 people's flow of information, except that we got these interviews 162 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.480 with the guy the head of the union, who was 163 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:39.519 sort of bragging about his ability to cripple the country, 164 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.320 and it seems to be one of those things that 165 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.759 doesn't strike you as the most patriotic of sentiments. As 166 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.759 he climbers off his long yacht and tells us that 167 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.039 we're all going to have no Christmas because the toys 168 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:58.200 won't be coming. Luckily, it's not going to happen. They 169 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:00.279 kick the can down the road. There's good and be 170 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.200 more negotiations. But what was illustrative about this were two things. Biden, President, 171 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:09.120 and I'm using air quotes here for President Biden because 172 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.399 we have no idea exactly whether he's involved in any 173 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.480 of these things or whether he's just being shuffled around 174 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.759 from one bingo session to the next, said he wouldn't 175 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.519 invoke TAP hardly, he doesn't believe in it. And then 176 00:10:20.679 --> 00:10:25.720 Governor DeSantis actually stepped in and directed the Florida National 177 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:28.720 Guard and the Florida State Guard to the ports to 178 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.960 ensure that things went as they should, which made a 179 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:34.000 lot of people say, well, boy, you know kind of 180 00:10:34.039 --> 00:10:37.440 wish that guy had been the candidate, but that's not 181 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:39.679 how it's going to work out. What do you guys 182 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:43.759 think of how this plays out. The unions I don't 183 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:47.279 think come off very sympathetic in this, particularly when it 184 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:49.960 comes to automation. Now you know, we're all looking around 185 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.679 our shoulders saying AI is going to come and eat 186 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:56.000 our jobs. But if the people had had their way, 187 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:00.279 there would be no automated systems that the at the 188 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.480 ports at all. They would be taking everything out in 189 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.200 a bucket brigade of hands. You can understand why they're 190 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.320 making the statement that they are, But in the issue 191 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.919 of keeping the ports modern and the rest of us, 192 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:15.720 where do you fall on this or do you just 193 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:16.120 not care? 194 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:19.159 I'll give you what's in my head. Not that I've 195 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.360 come to any particularly incisive conclusions about this, but I 196 00:11:23.480 --> 00:11:27.000 start with, was it nineteen fifty four, maybe the Ilia 197 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:31.399 Kazan movie on the Waterfront? Yes, because that shows the 198 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.480 way shipping was handled in the United States before the 199 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:40.519 advent of container shipping, or Eric Hoffer describes it a 200 00:11:40.559 --> 00:11:42.600 little bit in some of his work Eric Coffer, who 201 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:44.879 was the term used to be Steve Ador. So if 202 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.759 you have on your mind a picture of cargo nets 203 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:51.440 coming up and big burly men walking back and forth 204 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.080 and shouldering huge loads and carrying them from the pier 205 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:58.960 up to the warehouse. That's the way it used to be. 206 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:04.000 I suppose if this Union president had been in place 207 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:06.799 in the nineteen seventies, we wouldn't have container shipping, which 208 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.240 would of course solve all the problems with globalization because 209 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:12.279 we wouldn't have we wouldn't have international trade to speak of. 210 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.159 You know, you're actually exactly right because that guy is 211 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.919 part of the same union that opposed container shipping, and 212 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:20.559 he's on the record. 213 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:20.879 Happens. 214 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:23.840 Is that so okay? Because then you know more about 215 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:24.159 this than I. 216 00:12:24.200 --> 00:12:25.799 No, no, no, carry on. I'm just wanting to know 217 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.399 you're totally right. It's not a hypothetical that actually happened. 218 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.720 They tried to block container shipping right right. 219 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:36.879 So what's going on is, as far as I can tell, 220 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:41.120 it's it's a version of the Hollywood Writers' strike. The 221 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:45.480 writers see AI coming at them in this sense. Obviously, 222 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:49.519 longshoremen and writers are different kinds of people, but the 223 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.639 Hollywood writers saw AI coming at them. I myself couldn't 224 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:54.600 quite get what they were so worked up about because 225 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.679 I thought AI as a threat to writers was off 226 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:00.000 in the distant future. And then a friend of mine 227 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.279 who actually is in the produced director's guild. I guess yeah. 228 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.759 The director's guild said oh no, no, no, And he 229 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:08.399 sat down with me and said to AI, said to 230 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:15.440 chatchebt or one of the others. Five minutes amusing Trump 231 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:18.960 and Biden playing ping pong, and up popped a sketch 232 00:13:19.840 --> 00:13:22.080 that needed a little tightening up, but had four or 233 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:24.759 five different jokes in a five minutes. In other words, 234 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:28.559 writer's rooms are really under threat already. Okay, they see 235 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:32.399 that coming. Likewise, the teamsters, excuse me, not the team stores. 236 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:35.960 The longshoremen. Longshore people have they renamed the union, and 237 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:40.240 they want to extract the sitting guys who know they're 238 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.320 likely to be the last generation who can count on 239 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.480 this work for a whole career as they head into retirement. 240 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.919 They want to grab everything they can get. As far 241 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:51.480 as I can tell, it's as simple as that. And 242 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:54.480 on the other side, the shippers, the people the counter party, 243 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.320 want to give them as little as possible, but for 244 00:13:57.480 --> 00:14:03.320 sure reserved to themselves to introduce automation as the robotics 245 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.480 become smarter and smarter, empowered more and more by AI. 246 00:14:06.840 --> 00:14:13.639 So it's just a straightforward commercial conflict of interests and 247 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:15.799 let him add it. As far as I can tell, 248 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.159 what we saw last week was in an attempt to 249 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.840 hold up the country's politics. That's and then of course 250 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.039 it thinks largely to the New York Post, we found 251 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:28.679 out that the president of the Union is a very 252 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:31.559 rich man and a hypocrite in all kinds of ways. Anyhow, 253 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:34.080 So my view is this is one more It's going 254 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.879 to be difficult, this transition to AI and robotics, no 255 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.039 doubt about it. But it's one more place where the 256 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:40.080 government ought to stay out. 257 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:46.000 Charles, I think it's Proposter's rent seeking, is what I think. 258 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:49.200 The same guy you're referring to is very rich, actually 259 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:56.639 is in favor of mandating unionized toll booths, even though 260 00:14:56.639 --> 00:15:00.200 we've had easy passed since nineteen eighty seven. So he 261 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.559 wants people in them who've stopped the cars and slow 262 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:06.399 down the traffic. And it seems from the studies that 263 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:10.240 I've read increasingly where they do exist, still do nothing 264 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.679 other than pay for the pensions of the people who 265 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:15.919 are slowing the cars down. So you're slowing the cars 266 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:17.799 down to pay for the people who are slowing the 267 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:27.799 cars down. The docs are not anymore a justifiable excuse 268 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:32.799 for union tactics. I am and have always been hostile 269 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:34.919 toward unions. But I was born in nineteen eighty four. 270 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.039 My dad was born in nineteen forty seven. He really 271 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:39.240 dislikes public sector unions because he lived through England in 272 00:15:39.279 --> 00:15:44.440 the seventies. But right, but he has always said to me, 273 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.080 and will still say no, no, there is a good 274 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.279 historical role in certain circumstances for unionization. And if you 275 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.440 walk up our backstairs in their little house, you'll see 276 00:15:55.799 --> 00:16:01.159 photographs of my ancestors, some of whom were minors or 277 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.159 worked in textile mills or what you will. And my 278 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.519 dad said, it's a reasonable point. You know, if you 279 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:10.200 were in a mine in nineteen hundred, you really wanted 280 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.639 a union because it was dangerous work and you needed 281 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:14.600 somebody to stand up for you. And I think that 282 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.399 that's a fair point. But that's just not what's happening. 283 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:19.960 What's happening here is they just want more money. They 284 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:21.320 already make a lot of money, by the way, They 285 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.679 already make about two hundred thousand dollars a year on average, 286 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.519 so this is not some dangerous, low paid job. And 287 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:30.320 they're trying to stand in the way of efficiency and 288 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:33.919 to extort international trade so that they can line in 289 00:16:33.960 --> 00:16:37.240 their own pockets. And I think it's insane that this 290 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.080 would even be debated. And if I were the president 291 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.200 of the United States, which thankfully for everyone, I will 292 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.759 never be, and I had the Taft Hearty Act on hand. 293 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:49.840 Funny how Joe Biden believes in all sorts of laws 294 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.759 haven't been passed, but not ones that have. I would 295 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:55.639 use it in the national interest to stop this because 296 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.879 I think that what they're doing is functionally indistinguishable from 297 00:16:58.919 --> 00:17:01.559 the mafia. 298 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:03.039 Lovely Lovely. 299 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.319 I don't think there's any more to add to that either. 300 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:11.119 So that's two conclusive denunciations by Charles today, and we 301 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:11.960 can only hope. 302 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.039 For a third or perhaps the pattern here as well established. 303 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:17.839 James entertainingly puts the question, I attempt to provide a 304 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.279 one on the one hand, on the other hand, analysis 305 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:25.359 and then Charlie comes in with white hot anger beautiful. 306 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:26.880 Well, we'll see if we're going to go for a 307 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:30.680 third or maybe a ringing endorsement. Perhaps it all depends 308 00:17:30.680 --> 00:17:32.440 on where we go with our guest, who's Eli Lake. 309 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.319 Eli's a columnist for the Free Press, contributing editor to 310 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:38.839 Commentary and host of the re Education podcast Eli. 311 00:17:38.880 --> 00:17:41.759 Thank you, welcome, Hey, thanks for having me. 312 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:46.400 All right, so Middle East kaboom people were expecting actually 313 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:50.480 an earth shadowing kaboom by now, they were expecting Israel 314 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:56.519 to strike back at I mean, after October seventh, the 315 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:00.519 Gaza response. Then you have hezbe Law shooting in to Israel. 316 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.079 Then you have Israel taking on his bolah. Then you 317 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.759 have Iran deciding to heave five percent of their missiles 318 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.880 over I mean, so that's where we are now. It's 319 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:12.240 not it's not of a piece. It's all part of 320 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:15.960 a very very ongoing kinetic exercise and sorting things out 321 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:22.240 over there. Anyway, So Iran through the missiles. Israel is 322 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:24.960 expected to strike back, but people were saying were thinking 323 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:27.319 that there were there would be some sort of immediate response. 324 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.559 And the more the time goes on, there's only one 325 00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:31.920 of two things that can happen. Either one they're not 326 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:34.640 going to do anything or to do something proportional, or 327 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:39.359 two being very careful to plan. What is a definitive, 328 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:44.480 definitive response that up ends the status quo for good? 329 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:45.960 What do you think is going. 330 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:51.359 On well, I'm hoping in my sense, just looking at 331 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:54.319 what Prime Minister that Y'aho has been saying, is that 332 00:18:54.359 --> 00:18:59.839 they are going for strategically changing the balance of power 333 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:03.680 and not just a proportional response. And I think one 334 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.440 explanation for why it hasn't happened yet is the Jewish 335 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:13.119 New Year or Russia Shanna, you know that it's obviously Israel's. 336 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.440 It's not a it's not a theolocacy or anything like that, 337 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.119 but it is a Jewish state, and that might be 338 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:22.000 one explanation. The other explanation is that I would hope 339 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:26.079 that the one target that makes sense is what as 340 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.880 much of Aron's nuclear program as possible, and that may 341 00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:33.640 not be just a matter of you know, bunker buster bombs. 342 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:38.599 I mean, Israel is proving ingenious in its ability to 343 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.960 sabotage and to kind of have these hybrid intelligence strikes. 344 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:47.440 So my hope is that that is what's being you know, 345 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.079 that is what is in the offering, and there might 346 00:19:50.119 --> 00:19:51.680 be some things that have to kind of happen, and 347 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.079 it's not such a terrible thing for the Iranians to 348 00:19:54.119 --> 00:19:56.440 sort of be left in a state where they know 349 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:58.039 something has come in they don't know what it is, 350 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.839 you know, let them feel the anxiety he. 351 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:05.599 Lies true or faults on. As we tape this on Friday, 352 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.279 October fourth, in the year twenty twenty four, be me Netnyah, 353 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:11.680 who is the greatest man in the world? 354 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:12.880 Uh? 355 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:17.799 Yeah, he's Churchillian? At this point, I think, really, I mean, 356 00:20:18.000 --> 00:20:18.440 we have to. 357 00:20:19.359 --> 00:20:21.960 Yeah, you couldn't ask for a more flawed man to 358 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.200 be as great as he is. But he's changed the world, 359 00:20:25.279 --> 00:20:26.920 has he not? In the last three weeks? 360 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.519 I absolutely think he has. And I'll go I mean, 361 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.359 I've criticized him in my columns over the years at times, 362 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:39.039 but the real brilliance here from Nennyahu is that he 363 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:45.839 has managed to withstand efforts from his greatest ally to 364 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:47.960 try to unseat him from power into box them in. 365 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:53.160 I mean that, you know, the the the congratulations goes 366 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:57.599 to the genius of Israel's military, and it's most odd 367 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.920 for the pager attack and the walkie talkies and and 368 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.480 and the pinpoint accuracy of their strikes of not just 369 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.480 assign Nosralla, but the next two successors of assign Asrala 370 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.480 of the News out of Israel, Lebanon was right last night. 371 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.160 That's something that you know that a nation state has 372 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:19.079 built that capability. And so but it's it's Netanyahu's ability 373 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:23.920 to navigate a really difficult situation with his most important ally, 374 00:21:24.359 --> 00:21:29.039 because if America chooses to, it can lead to it 375 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.000 can kind of drop a diplomatic nuclear bomb on Israel. 376 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.319 By no not behowing a resolution that you know from 377 00:21:36.359 --> 00:21:39.960 the Security Council that would really hurt and and and 378 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.839 isolate Israel. So far Biden administration hasn't done that. That's good, 379 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:50.279 but it's certainly you know, the messages from Biden himself, 380 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.920 I don't know how with it he is at this moment. 381 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:56.599 Is you know, why wouldn't he want Israel to attack 382 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.960 the nuclear program? That's the that's the that's the crown 383 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:01.559 jewel at this point. 384 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:03.119 As far as we know, at least as far as 385 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:05.839 I've read, you follow this obviously followed hour by hour, 386 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:09.839 But the number of casualties from the Iranian ballistic missile 387 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:12.720 attack was as single digits, as I recall, it. 388 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.160 Was one Palestinian, like the last salvo from April. Okay, 389 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:20.920 So the regime that claims to defend the honor of 390 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:26.039 the Palaestinian people is so not only felt spectacular in 391 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.759 their missile strikes, but they've managed to kill Palestinians. Congratulations. 392 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.319 On the other hand, they demonstrated a willingness for the 393 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.400 second time in a matter of months to fire ballistic 394 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:38.640 missiles at Israel, and this time they demonstrated that they're 395 00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:41.440 capable of learning in a military sense, and that they 396 00:22:41.480 --> 00:22:45.880 clustered them the missiles much more tightly, I presume, in 397 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.599 an effort to defeat the Iron Dome. And to that extent, 398 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:54.359 they demonstrate a certain degree of seriousness and a certain 399 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:59.200 degree of military prowess. And they did get a few 400 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:03.240 of those missiles through, killing one person a Palestinian. What 401 00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.519