WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:03.879 And it was just starting to get light outside. 2 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:06.280 And I was laying there on my laying on my. 3 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:08.519 Right side, and I was. 4 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:09.199 Looking at David. 5 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.800 All of a sudden, I just had something pushed right in, 6 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:18.559 touched my left side and just kind of pushed came. 7 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:19.120 Right back out. 8 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:25.239 I immediately started shaking David and telling him, you know, David, David, 9 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:27.079 you know, something just touched me. 10 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.160 Something just touched me. 11 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:32.600 It was not the nose of an animal. I have 12 00:00:32.719 --> 00:00:35.880 a pretty good sized hand for a female, and I 13 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:39.520 would say it felt flat and about the same side 14 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:41.000 as my hand. 15 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.920 If you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads, you may remember episode 16 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.000 one thirty seven, I think it was called Sasquatch Meadow, 17 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:28.879 where I talked to a couple of lifelong friends, Curtis 18 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:35.680 and David, about some of their experiences revolving around their 19 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:41.159 interest in Bigfoot. Well, they're back, and David's brought along 20 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.959 his wife Candy to share some of their experiences from 21 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.640 this past year and to find out what has happened 22 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.959 in almost exactly a year. It's crazy, guys, welcome back. 23 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.200 You've had quite a year in between shows. I feel 24 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.359 like it's just a couple of bookends to your life 25 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:03.239 from my perspective, but you guys have had a lot going. 26 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.920 On, yeah, we have. Thanks for having us again, Matt. 27 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.800 Yeah, of course, thanks Matt. It's been it definitely has 28 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:10.919 been an interesting year. 29 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:15.199 So let's rewind back to one specific thing that I 30 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.280 think kind of stands out in my mind. You guys 31 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:23.280 talked about a guy named Will Olmer, and you had 32 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.159 reached out to him but hadn't heard anything back, and 33 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:30.919 you're really hoping he would respond and everything, And now 34 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:32.759 you guys have gone out into the field with. 35 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:39.080 Him, yeah, twice. So if you, I'm sure you remember 36 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.960 that we were introduced to you through Jonathan Brown right 37 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:47.240 after I had commented on one of his videos in 38 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:52.240 Sarah's videos that we had something similar to an occurrence 39 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.439 that occurred in one of their videos. And after a 40 00:02:55.479 --> 00:03:01.639 couple of conversations, he reached out to us to eventually 41 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:07.599 film a video in near Gypsy Meadows with he and Sarah, 42 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.599 and then obviously he introduced us to you and we 43 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:15.319 were on your As You Said podcast number one thirty seven, 44 00:03:15.400 --> 00:03:21.280 and in the meantime, he and Sarah contacted Will, and 45 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.439 Will came in on the trip in June, and then 46 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.000 as It turns out David and I were planning on 47 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.280 going back in August, the last week of August, which 48 00:03:31.960 --> 00:03:34.879 we got back just a couple of weeks ago, and 49 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:38.240 David invited Will on and he came. So we've now 50 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:42.439 spent a couple of trips at Gypsy Meadows with Will. 51 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.840 Now, I'm sure you guys discussed it, David, did your 52 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:52.879 notes kind of line up with Will's notes on the areas? 53 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.719 He had never been to Gypsy Meadows before that, he 54 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.879 had wanted to always go there, and the other YouTuber 55 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:02.919 went up there, Marshall White, he had wanted to go 56 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.479 there also, so Will had invited him up to that 57 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.400 trip in June. But he had he'd been in the 58 00:04:09.719 --> 00:04:13.159 in the campsites down below that going down to Sullivan 59 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:15.919 Lake quite a bet, and they'd had quite a few, 60 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.839 you know, videos and documentation from down that area. But 61 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:22.720 in Gypsy Knows he hadn't been there before, but was 62 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:27.680 excited to come there for that for that trip. There 63 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:32.079 are definitely a lot of things that happened to him 64 00:04:32.639 --> 00:04:36.680 that he told us about, and it did, you know, 65 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:40.279 a lot of go along with what we had, you know, 66 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:44.800 we had found, you know, on our trips to These 67 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:48.560 last two trips with him had been pretty good, you know, together, 68 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.319 you know, being there and experiencing these some of these 69 00:04:51.319 --> 00:04:53.439 things together and it's been pretty amazing. 70 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:57.040 Is it starting to pay in a picture of the 71 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.399 activity in the area with you know his experien answer 72 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.480 is that he's had down below there and now the 73 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.360 stuff going on there. Are you starting to be able 74 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.120 to kind of put in the missing pieces of how 75 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:09.920 it's working there? 76 00:05:11.839 --> 00:05:14.560 Yeah, he thinks it's coming from a you know, into 77 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.240 the wilderness area. There's a mountain across the creek that 78 00:05:17.319 --> 00:05:19.160 goes up. He thinks are coming from there and they're 79 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:24.079 crossing over and coming through that area. He says, this there, 80 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:27.959 that area, Gypsy Meadows has been you know, as active 81 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:31.279 or more active than almost every other area he's you know, 82 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:33.800 he's been at. So he's been excited to come back there. 83 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:42.279 Curtis, I wanted to ask you about the owls. 84 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:42.839 The owls. 85 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:48.160 There seems to be something pretty interesting happening at this 86 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.680 location involving owls. Would you mind explaining kind of what's 87 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:52.319 going on with that? 88 00:05:54.240 --> 00:06:00.959 Yeah, So in twenty twenty four, at the exact same 89 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:04.600 week that we went this last week in August, but 90 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.959 both in twenty twenty four and the June trip and 91 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.759 this last August trip, weird stuff seems to happen around 92 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:17.720 owl calls, and you know, the barn owl is definitely 93 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:21.160 around there, and you know, perhaps a lot, if not 94 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.040 most of what we heard were bart owl calls. But 95 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:31.920 back in twenty twenty four, bart owl calls seem to 96 00:06:31.959 --> 00:06:36.360 sort of disintegrate after a minute or two and they 97 00:06:36.399 --> 00:06:39.240 turned into woops. So we've had a lot of time 98 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:43.600 to think about it since then. Either, you know, our 99 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:48.959 theories are one of three. Either at all bart owl's 100 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.079 and we're completely mistaken, but that wouldn't explain the wops. 101 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.759 And then, as you remember, David heard Sierra sounds associated 102 00:06:56.800 --> 00:07:00.480 with the bart owl calls as well, and that would 103 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:06.839 not explain that. Our second theory is that sasquatch is 104 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.279 mimicking the owls and then at some point starts other 105 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:18.879 vocalizations that you know, kind of reach out to others 106 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:23.439 across on different parts of the mountains around the meadow. 107 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:28.759 And then the third one is that you know, maybe 108 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:33.199 they're not mimicking, maybe they're just using the owls to 109 00:07:33.240 --> 00:07:36.839 try to mask their calls, and they wait for the 110 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:39.120 owl to finish, and then then. 111 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:44.480 They make loops and other calls. So you know, either 112 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.639 if as long as we're not completely mistaken and they're 113 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.680 not all owls, it does show some level of intelligence. 114 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.199 Either they're mimicking owls or they're using the owls to 115 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.399 sort of cover up their their own calls. 116 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:04.360 So kind of walk us through your your first trip 117 00:08:04.439 --> 00:08:05.920 back to the meadow this year. 118 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:09.000 It was really good, you know, Curtis, Like Curtis said, 119 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:12.160 John Start wanted to film us, so we tried to 120 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:15.120 coordinate with them, and we figured out probably the best 121 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:18.240 time would have been in this this last spring. The 122 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:21.040 snow that was up there was you know, pretty pick 123 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:25.319 so we didn't get to go up until June, you know, 124 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.360 this last back when we went back up there. But 125 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.000 we went up there, you know, like Kers said, you know, 126 00:08:32.159 --> 00:08:35.120 Sarah and Jonathan invited you know, Will Homer. He was 127 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:40.120 Grassman fifty eight you know on YouTube, and I guess 128 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:41.720 the reason she said, you know, that was kind of 129 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:44.159 his area of research, and he also had a lot 130 00:08:44.159 --> 00:08:47.440 of stories she wanted to interview him about also, so 131 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.600 he was he was willing to do that, and that's 132 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:54.559 when he invited Marshall, and we also met Marshall White 133 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:59.159 and his YouTube channel was Bushcraft Explorer. And then another 134 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:01.919 friend of his came up, Aaron West. So we all 135 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:06.440 got together and we basically took over the whole meadow 136 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:10.559 and all the campsites in that area. Will and Marshall 137 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.200 showed up on Wednesday, and Sarah and Jonathan came in 138 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:19.159 on Friday at that time. So we had such a 139 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:23.159 long trip for us that we decided, you know, hey, 140 00:09:23.200 --> 00:09:25.399 let's go up earlier. You know, we're going to drive 141 00:09:25.440 --> 00:09:27.879 two thousand miles, so we might as well, you know, 142 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.399 go up and maybe do something in Oregon before we 143 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:32.600 go up. And so we decided to go up and 144 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.279 maybe you know, head to Mount Hood or do something 145 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:41.879 in that area. My wife Candy had an interest and 146 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:44.039 big fly with my interest, you know, just everything I've 147 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.360 been watching, and she wanted to go on the trip. 148 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.039 And then with her coming, Curtis's wife, Terry, decided she 149 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.440 would go too, but she couldn't you know, come until 150 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.399 later in a week. So we scheduled her to fly 151 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:58.559 and to Spokane and we picked her up. But I 152 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:01.519 might let Candy describe, you know, how she got interested 153 00:10:01.559 --> 00:10:02.039 in that. 154 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:08.399 I would say for me, it's been all the years 155 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:17.000 for watching the bfro guys and other videos that David 156 00:10:17.080 --> 00:10:21.799 seems to like like to watch around here about so 157 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:29.320 two or three hours a day, and so it kind 158 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:33.279 of sparked my interest. I you know, you see a 159 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.399 lot of them when you you listen to their stories, 160 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:42.279 and sometimes you're just like, you know, that just sounds 161 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.840 kind of hokey, and I'm not so sure, you know, 162 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:51.039 I can believe in this. And you know, you have 163 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:55.559 the hundred questions, you know, hock they've never caught one hock, 164 00:10:55.759 --> 00:10:59.840 they've never found one, the bones, you know, all the 165 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:04.440 questions like that that seems everybody kind of tends to 166 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:10.159 have when you start talking about Bigfoot to anybody. I 167 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:14.799 love camping, so I really wanted to go. I wanted 168 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:18.600 to see what all the hubub was and just get 169 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:21.360 out and experience it with my own eyes and my 170 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:22.720 own ears. 171 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:26.919 As Kenny said and David said, we were traveling out 172 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:30.399 that we decided to probably go around amount could. But 173 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:34.120 on the way up, David and Jonathan were texting, and 174 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.840 Jonathan had told us that Sarah had just been in 175 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:43.919 a campground in the Gifford Tinshow National Forest on Wednesday 176 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.519 and Thursday, and we were driving up on Saturday, and 177 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.919 while she was there, she heard a number of vocalizations 178 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:56.159 that Jonathan actually sent us a recording of that that 179 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.919 we heard, and she the people who were there were 180 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.279 sort of surrounded by things in the campground that were 181 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.919 doing various vocalizations. So he gave us the name of 182 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.679 the campground and we decided to kind of go there. 183 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:15.840 To begin with, they weren't going to show up till Friday, 184 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:19.000 and yll and Marcia weren't showing up till Wednesday, so 185 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:22.279 we had from Sunday til Wednesday morning to kind of 186 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.879 go there. And as it turns out, apparently Jonathan told 187 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:32.799 us later that after Sarah had left and right before 188 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:37.720 we actually got there, the camp host, his name is Michael, 189 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:42.039 called Jonathan and said that with all the vocalizations that 190 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:45.159 Sarah had heard, after she left the next night, he 191 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:49.080 was sitting in his trailer and he started hearing monkey 192 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:53.600 chatter right outside his trailer. So because of all of that, 193 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.559 we decided to go to the campground first before we 194 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.679 hit Jesse Meadows. 195 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.240 Yeah, so on the you know, on the way up, 196 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.320 we're driving up there, we decided to stop by the 197 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:10.000 North American Bigfoot you know museum that Cliff has up 198 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:12.200 there in Portland, and that is pretty amazing because they 199 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.720 have all the everything present, has done really well all 200 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.960 the major the evidence and prints that we've all seen 201 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.240 there there and so I mean, I suggest anyone who's interested, 202 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:27.240 you know, go there and see. That's pretty good. But 203 00:13:27.320 --> 00:13:30.480 that first night camp and we met the camp host, 204 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:34.960 you know, and he verified to us that yeah, he'd 205 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.399 heard that monkey chatter back behind their camp and the 206 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:42.440 latest was his wife had heard again that same type 207 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.559 of clatter the night before we arrived while she was 208 00:13:45.600 --> 00:13:51.200 watching TV. So our first night we heard a vocalization 209 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:54.799 at around twelve thirty and one in the morning, and 210 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:57.960 they came from across the road. But they again were 211 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.080 like bard owls. They would begin, then they would change 212 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.080 and became a high pitched owl. We're screamed. So we 213 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.440 got them a recorder and because Sarah had sent us 214 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.240 the recording of what she had heard, we listened and 215 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:14.440 started comparing it and it seemed to match one of 216 00:14:14.480 --> 00:14:17.799 her sounds, you know, almost exactly. So that was kind 217 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:19.720 of interesting for us to see it. 218 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.080 Yeah, and getting back to the bar owls. Just interestingly enough, 219 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:29.080 where we were in different Pinchot for us is probably 220 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:33.799 two hundred maybe three hundred miles from fifty Meadows, and 221 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:38.720 yet in both places the bar owls into play a role. 222 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.200 After that first night, the next morning we decided to 223 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:48.000 go kind of exploring and we drove further off the 224 00:14:48.080 --> 00:14:51.399 road from the campground and we found a forest service 225 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:55.080 road that we decided to take, and about a mile 226 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.240 or an now and a half up the road, and 227 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:01.399 we hadn't seen any cars or anything. This was a 228 00:15:01.440 --> 00:15:03.519 weekday and I don't even know if the schools were 229 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.720 out yet, but there was sort of a cleared out 230 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:10.000 area off to the right on the road, and it 231 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.080 was probably about the size of a I don't know, 232 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.639 a drug store parking lot. It looked like maybe a 233 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:18.480 place where the Forest Service used to put an equipment 234 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.039 or stage in case there was a fire. There was 235 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.080 a huge cleared out area, and David pulled into it 236 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:27.919 because on the side of the cleared out area there 237 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.399 were some soccer dirt berms where all the dirt had 238 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.440 been moved, and he wanted to look for prints, and 239 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:40.360 so he kind of parked halfway into the cleared out area, 240 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:43.559 we started locking. The first thing I noticed at the 241 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:47.200 end of the cleared out area was an X structure. Now, 242 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:49.320 you know, it may have been natural, it may not 243 00:15:49.399 --> 00:15:54.639 have been. But we got closer and right in the 244 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:58.799 middle of the cleared out area, something or somebody had 245 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.639 placed a log, because everything had been cleared out except 246 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:04.960 you know, this one log. On top of the log, 247 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.480 there were four rocks that were stacked on top of 248 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.759 each other, and then on top of that was a 249 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.120 branch that was balancing. And you know, I'm not saying 250 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.000 this couldn't have been done by a person, but it 251 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.639 was interesting. It was essentially right at the level where 252 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:24.600 the X was. And then David started searching close to 253 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:27.679 the X on the softer dirt. He ended up finding 254 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:33.240 two fourteen inch prints with a fifty inch step length 255 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.919 right there, and so we ended up scanning those with 256 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:43.039 our scanner, and then David was going to cast them, 257 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:44.879 so he went to get his casting staff, and while 258 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.039 he was doing this up on the ridge above us, 259 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:53.679 I started hearing and I couldn't tell what was being said, 260 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.879 but it sounded like women talking back and forth. And 261 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.360 this probably lasted for about thirty or forty sect and 262 00:17:00.480 --> 00:17:02.919 David heard it as well, and Candy may have heard 263 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:06.920 it as well. And there were no roads going up 264 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:09.400 to that ridge that we could tell or trails, and 265 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.680 this was on a forest service road, so that was 266 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:20.720 kind of interesting, well, being ready to hear lady chatter 267 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:24.000 that we couldn't quite tell what was being said, so 268 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:26.599 kind of almost I don't know if it was a 269 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.400 foreign language or we just couldn't I couldn't hear it 270 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.720 loud enough. But it was just a strange occurrence you 271 00:17:34.079 --> 00:17:36.799 all associated with this area where the print and the 272 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:39.880 little structure in the middle of the cleared out area, 273 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:42.880 and then obviously the X structure was close to it. 274 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.839 Candy, what was your take on all this as it 275 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.440 was happening, because, I mean, this is all new to you, 276 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:55.319 and here's a couple of guys just oh, listen those 277 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:59.440 owls and there's some sticks, So like, what were you 278 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.640 thinking when there were all this was happening. 279 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:07.359 Well, you know, the logic is like, no, you know, 280 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:09.400 a human had to do that. 281 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:12.720 That just had to be a human. But then the more. 282 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:16.720 You walk around and the more you see things, the 283 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.519 hearing of the strange things that you just you just 284 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:25.640 can't seem to well, I don't really know what that is. 285 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.359 It sounds different. It's odd. 286 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:35.839 We're out in the middle of nowhere. And so while 287 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:39.880 David had found the two prints on the side of 288 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.200 the hill and the Princes were actually coming down towards 289 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.039 the little road that we had driven up on, I 290 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:49.880 decided to walk straight across to the other side of 291 00:18:49.920 --> 00:18:50.880 the road and. 292 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.599 I actually found two more prints. 293 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:53.359 Wow. 294 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.720 And I had them come over and they measured them, 295 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.279 looked at them, and they I believe they were the 296 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.559 exact same link, correct, David, Yeah, they were. 297 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.400 It was kind of resting that she was exciting for 298 00:19:07.440 --> 00:19:10.200 her to find. Now she's found something, you know, and 299 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:12.640 that helps her in her journey, you know all that. 300 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.480 So I went back and I was casting the best 301 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:18.319 print I could find on the other side of where 302 00:19:18.319 --> 00:19:20.000 and she found them and I think I sent you 303 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.799 a scan of that print, yeah, you know, for that 304 00:19:23.480 --> 00:19:26.039 and stuff. But that was kind of exciting for Candy 305 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:26.480 to find that. 306 00:19:27.279 --> 00:19:32.599 So the answer to your question. Every it just seemed 307 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:36.720 like almost every hour and then another hour, there would 308 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.680 be something. 309 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.240 That would be teasing me a little bit. 310 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.319 More and a little bit more and a little bit more, 311 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:47.000 and it just it actually made me where, Okay, what's 312 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.119 going to happen next? I was looking forward to the 313 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:53.440 next night, the next day. It would be coming very interesting. 314 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:58.359 I have never heard anyone use that word before to 315 00:19:58.400 --> 00:19:58.880 describe it. 316 00:19:58.960 --> 00:19:59.440 Teasing. 317 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:03.359 That is a very good word to describe it, because 318 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.720 that's exactly how it happens. Just like you're saying, you 319 00:20:06.799 --> 00:20:09.160 just get these little teases that just keep you hooked. 320 00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:14.079 And I can't help but think, you know, for people 321 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.839 out there who say that, you know, while I've been 322 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:19.599 in the woods all my life and I've never heard 323 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:23.160 or seen anything, and you know, these things couldn't be 324 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.480 out there, I honestly think it's just like you were 325 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:30.480 talking about. It's whenever you start paying attention to those 326 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:33.160 things instead of just writing them off as oh, well, 327 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:36.240 it was probably just a person. Yeah, you can just 328 00:20:36.519 --> 00:20:38.400 think that and go about your day and it is 329 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.640 just a person. But if you really start thinking about 330 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:46.880 it and start examining the location and thinking about it 331 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:50.279 from a logical way, you start realizing like, well, now, 332 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:54.000 hold on, it could have been a person, but it 333 00:20:54.119 --> 00:21:01.799 probably wasn't a person. Those fifty inch strides. Uh, you 334 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:05.039 said the the footprints were fifty inches apart. 335 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.200 Yeah, it was. It was. There are sixteen sixteen inches 336 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.599 in length and five and you know, five inches wide 337 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.319 and then with that, from the first step to the 338 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.799 next step we measured out at fifty inches. 339 00:21:18.799 --> 00:21:21.200 And those are going downhill. 340 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:24.359 Down the hill, so it's probably on flat ground, not 341 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:26.960 quite as quite as far, but still it's pretty big. 342 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:30.599 Yeah, it was. You know, it wasn't like a real 343 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:34.279 steep angle, but I'd say, you know, probably about it, 344 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:38.799 you know, half a foot elevation change from one one 345 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:39.720 footprint to the. 346 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:43.680 Other and coming from the direction of the wilderness towards 347 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:44.119 the road. 348 00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:47.880 Yeah, this area was it was like a cleared out, 349 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:49.720 a cleared out area in the middle of the forest. 350 00:21:50.000 --> 00:21:53.039 So there was like a mountain on you know, ridge 351 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:55.920 on the side that was coming from and then the 352 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:58.920 open area with the soft dirt and the road and 353 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.480 then the softer side and then it went back into forest. 354 00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:04.680 So it's kind of like a rectangle cleared out right 355 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:07.599 in the middle of the forest. And so there was 356 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.119 no other roads coming into that area. It was just 357 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.000 like I go, hey, let's go check that area out. 358 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:17.119 You know, was there any signs of like vehicles or 359 00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:18.799 anything out there that you guys could. 360 00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.880 Tell that area was. There were signs of vehicles that people, 361 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:25.880 you know, the trucks had been driving up and down 362 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:29.039 when they harbor seen the wood from there that it was, 363 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:33.480 you know, all old stuff, and there was nothing above 364 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:37.240 it for anyone to go. You know, it was just 365 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:39.240 up the side of the side of the hill. 366 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:43.640 And just to kind of kind of put the area 367 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:47.359 in perspective, I'm sure most people have heard the story 368 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:50.720 of the two big footers who passed away on Christmas Eve, 369 00:22:50.759 --> 00:22:55.039 and this was essentially the exact same area. It was 370 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:58.279 essentially just across the road and maybe a mile from 371 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:02.039 where those two guys passed way this last Christmas. So 372 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.480 it's a known active spot in the area. 373 00:23:07.319 --> 00:23:09.880 Yeah, we can make note of that. That's not giving 374 00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:13.240 too much information away. I don't think they ever released 375 00:23:13.240 --> 00:23:16.519 the exact location, details of where they found their bodies 376 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:21.519 or anything, but that area was known to bigfooters already 377 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:26.000 as an active area and has had activity since then 378 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:28.519 obviously with just what you guys are here talking about 379 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:29.200 it right now. 380 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.119 Yeah, you know, some of the locals we had talked 381 00:23:34.119 --> 00:23:36.160 to a couple of BFR people when we were up 382 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:38.759 there and they had done some They were having a 383 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.720 camp camp out the next weekend that they were up there, 384 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.960 kind of prepping for that, and Jonathan got us to 385 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.920 talking to them. He told us that they'd be up 386 00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:50.920 there and they had done some research talking to locals. 387 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:53.200 In fact, one of the locals I think was on 388 00:23:53.240 --> 00:23:57.960 your podcast one fifty one and they called the area 389 00:23:58.119 --> 00:24:04.680 Scupham Valley and supermunt and uh, you know, the locals 390 00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:09.920 told the b f R O there are a number 391 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.640 of Sasquatch in the area, and most of them are 392 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:16.039 pretty docile, but one of them, one of the males, 393 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:20.920 is known as an Honery Sabsquatch, and he often tried 394 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:23.880 to you know, throw rocks at tents and tried to 395 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:28.480 bluff charge and get people to leave the area. So 396 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:33.000 whether that had anything to do with the the two 397 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:37.279 unfortunate guys or not, you know, nobody knows. But it 398 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.920 is just kind of interesting that the locals say there 399 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.160 is a mean sasquatch in the area. 400 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:43.599 Yeah. 401 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:47.680 I think I had heard the same thing, something about 402 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.920 a certain area not to go into for sure near 403 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.359 there at a certain either at night or a certain 404 00:24:55.400 --> 00:24:59.759 time of year or something like that, which you, you 405 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:06.480 find that fairly often actually these areas where they're known 406 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.960 to be. It seems like sometimes there's two different groups 407 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.400 or two different types of behavior going on in the 408 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.680 same area whenever you talk to locals, if you get 409 00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.880 access to locals with that sort of information. But again, 410 00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:25.039 like you said, I don't want to imply anything. I'm 411 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:27.759 not saying that Bigfoot had anything to do with the 412 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:30.359 tragedy of those two guys losing their lives or anything. 413 00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:34.400 It just all seems kind of odd. And then whenever 414 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:38.519 you take into consideration the stories from the area, it's 415 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:43.519 worth noting always be careful whenever you're out there poking 416 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:44.559 around messing. 417 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:51.799 With these things. Yeah, definitely with that that well, the 418 00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:54.359 other thing that we found, you know, you get that 419 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:57.720 a little bit. With the well, my cast I was 420 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.160 casting that let it harden. We went up further on 421 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.279 the road and I found a structure on the right 422 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:04.960 and I think I sent you a picture of that, 423 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.359 And what I was caught my eye was that all 424 00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:10.559 the big branch, the big part of the branches, were 425 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.160 up and the smalls down. And I go over there 426 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.200 and look and they're like jammed in the ground, leaning 427 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:19.880 against his tree, and I find another you know, a 428 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.079 game trouble on right around and making a right hand 429 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.920 turn at this structure, and I follow that down the 430 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.200 road and there was another X structure across the road 431 00:26:27.240 --> 00:26:30.680 from that. So it seemed like these things are like signs, 432 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:35.039 you know, as markers for these guys. 433 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.240 Yeah, it's really weird. You seem to find them just 434 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.480 by coincidence in areas that have bigfoot activity reported. 435 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:50.000 Yeah, definitely. But so we we had gone down this 436 00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.039 road where, you know, a local had told us where 437 00:26:53.319 --> 00:26:56.640 that activity had happened at Christmas even. We went down 438 00:26:56.640 --> 00:27:01.039 that road and Curtis was walking ahead of us about 439 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.920 one hundred yards, but then Candy hadn't experienced there. 440 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:07.599 Yeah, we were walking through. 441 00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:12.279 Oh it was I would say maybe we were maybe 442 00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:16.599 one hundred hundred feet one hundred fifty feet maybe from 443 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:22.240 the road. And Curtis had told me, hey, Candy, do 444 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.960 a whistle. So I said, all right, So I whistled, 445 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:32.039 and within a matter of maybe three seconds, we got 446 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:38.680 a response. So I did it again, same response. So 447 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:41.680 then they're like, okay, do it one more time. So 448 00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:45.680 I did it for a third time, got another response 449 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:48.599 and it copied my whistle. 450 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:51.920 I didn't just whistle back, I whistled. I did like. 451 00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.880 And I did it three times and each time it 452 00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.400 whistled exactly the. 453 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:04.359 Same back at us. Wow, that was pretty interesting. 454 00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:06.839 I mean, what does that? 455 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.319 I was like, this is someone who's one of their 456 00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:15.640 pet paris or something out there, you know, I don't know, 457 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.640 but it was definitely mimicking me. 458 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.799 And just to put that in perspective, we've we had 459 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:26.759 driven back on another side road when that happened, and 460 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.160 we were probably a mile and a half to two 461 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.119 miles in and we never passed another person. Like I said, 462 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.759 this was the first week of June. I'm not sure 463 00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:40.359 many people were out camping, so could have been a person, 464 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.519 I suppose, But as I said, we never saw anybody, 465 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.400 and if it was a person, they were wandering through 466 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:49.920 the wilderness. 467 00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:55.480 So, I mean, people don't want that, right exactly, if 468 00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:57.720 I'm out in the woods and I hear somebody whistling, 469 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:02.400 I'm not copying their whistle and doing it back at though. 470 00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:09.160 Right exactly exactly the day I found something interesting as 471 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:10.119 we were driving out. 472 00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:14.279 Yeah, so I think Kandy was a little excited that 473 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.000 she kind of was surprised that she got those whistles back, 474 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:18.920 but it was kind of getting dark, so we decided 475 00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.519 to leave. And on the way out, I saw a 476 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.000 tree break on the right hand side of the road, 477 00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:27.279 and I was like, called it. So I stopped and 478 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.599 got out and was you know, went over to start 479 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.119 looking on it. Soon as I got over by the tree, 480 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.319 all of a sudden, I just got this feeling I 481 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.519 need my gun. And so I come walking back to 482 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:44.839 the truck. What's going on? And I said, I just 483 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.759 need my gun, and so I got it to the 484 00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:50.960 back molster. I'd taken it out while I was driving, 485 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:56.279 and walked back and started investigating, and Curtis got out 486 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.000 and then we look at this tree break and I 487 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.119 think I sent you pictures of that, and it was 488 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.319 pretty fresh tree break. It's still, you know, not a 489 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.039 lot of leaves on it, but had some green leaves 490 00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:07.720 at the you know, the end of the pork that 491 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.640 was broken. And so then I started wing around as 492 00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:14.400 a game trail leaving that, and we walked back in 493 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:16.880 there and found a small meadow and I could see 494 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.160 where something large had walked through the meadow. 495 00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:19.319 You know. 496 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.480 I tramped down grafts and stuff, and I was like, yeah, 497 00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:28.480 I got my gun, you know, on here, but that 498 00:30:28.599 --> 00:30:32.480 was just a few hundred yards you know from where 499 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.559 Candy had been whistling, and so that was an interesting 500 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:39.160 find on the way out. 501 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.960 Put that in perspective, you know, for your listeners. I've 502 00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:46.839 known David for fifty five years, and I've never seen 503 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.880 him get that kind of feeling. He's six four, he's 504 00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:54.160 a black built in karate. I've seen him, you know, 505 00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:56.519 just kind of get intween people in there fighting and 506 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.079 just you know, stop a fight just with a look. 507 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.119 And you know, that doesn't mean that he could handle 508 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.759 a big foot off a bigfoot decided to attack us 509 00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:10.000 by any means. But for David to get a feeling 510 00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.079 that he needed his gun, most people probably wouldn't be 511 00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:16.960 impressed by that. But that really impressed me because, like 512 00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:19.039 I said, I don't think he's ever had a feeling 513 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.359 like that in his whole life. 514 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:27.480 He said, the grass was like trump down in the field. 515 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.839 My brain is just trying to process that. That would 516 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.200 have had to have been a fairly short amount of time. 517 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:38.599 Yeah, I mean I tried to look, you know, I'm 518 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:41.440 really tracking is one thing I like I try to do, 519 00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.200 you know, So I was looking forward. It was you know, 520 00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.720 you can see in certain things, you can see shine, right, 521 00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:51.960 you know when it's fresh, and it was you see it. 522 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:56.559 It didn't happen that long before, and you couldn't see 523 00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:58.640 Prince in it or anything like that, but it was 524 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:02.519 definitely trail going through this small meadow. It was. It 525 00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:06.200 wasn't like a big meadow. It's probably twenty yards wide 526 00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:10.079 by maybe thirty yards long. Curtis, what do you say. 527 00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:12.839 Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't big, but yeah, there was 528 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.480 definitely something that had been there walk that way. 529 00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:21.839 Yeah, relatively recently and all of this and you guys 530 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.519 haven't even really gotten a camp yet. 531 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:27.279 Hadn't gotten yet. 532 00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:31.039 Yeah, right, and there's even you know, I hate to 533 00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.839 say it, but there's even more in Gifford Pinchot. I mean, 534 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.920 we ended up going the next day up another forest 535 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:43.799 service road. David can tell you about that. 536 00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.839 So, yeah, we're still we're still in the Gift Show 537 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.119 forest and so we had another day. So the next 538 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.400 day we go up when we drive another forest road. 539 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.799 Because we enjoyed what we did today before and all 540 00:32:55.799 --> 00:32:59.960 the stuff we found, so we go and we find 541 00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:05.200 this old road. It was awesome, and it was awesome road. 542 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:06.799 I mean, but there was a gi was gated off, 543 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.359 so like the road was you know, old, and the 544 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:12.279 grass was you know, it was like growing up and 545 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.440 overgrown and things like that. You could walk down it, 546 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.440 but there was no trees and it was pretty easy 547 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.119 to walk down it. So it went for about would 548 00:33:19.119 --> 00:33:21.880 you go about a mile up that area. Yeah, And 549 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:28.039 so we're walking along and as we're walking along, we 550 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:33.880 usually try to I call it practical walk in the curtis, 551 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.279 you know, will stay in one spot and look, listen 552 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.519 and watch while I walk ahead about twenty yards and 553 00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:42.640 then I stopped and he comes back up and I'm looking, 554 00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:46.319 listening and watching while we do that, and he heard 555 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.759 something interesting as me and Candy were walking forward. Well 556 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:52.000 let them say tell you that. 557 00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:57.079 Yeah, So it was probably five times in a row. 558 00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.640 We kind of gave a called it tactical walking. I 559 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:02.359 kind of call it leap frogging. We kind of but 560 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:04.480 like you said, one of us will walk, one of 561 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:09.360 us will stay and then listen. And every single time 562 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.880 that David and Candy walked forward, and it didn't seem 563 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.239 to happen from what they said. When I walked forward. 564 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:18.800 But so maybe it had something to do with candy 565 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.440 being there. I don't know. But every single time, for 566 00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.920 about five or six times in a row, they would 567 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:27.559 walk forward, and there was a ridge right above us, 568 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:32.519 probably thirty feet high, and I heard something every single time. 569 00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:37.079 As soon as they took off, it took off as 570 00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:41.679 well and essentially paralleled them along this road. And then 571 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.840 we started hearing some other crazy things. We heard rock 572 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:50.599 clacks and a few other things. And then David had 573 00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.119 an idea of going back to his interest in Native 574 00:34:54.159 --> 00:35:00.039 American culture, and he was trying some things. Once I 575 00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:01.440 I had caught up with him, I told him that 576 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.039 they're being parallel. He decided to try something interesting. 577 00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:11.039 So the last few months before you know this trip, 578 00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:13.960 and people always ask me and say, what are you 579 00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:15.559 going to do because you're getting close, what are you 580 00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.400 going to do when you run into one you know 581 00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.119 you're gonna run, You're gonna you know what's going to happen? 582 00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:24.079 And my answer is, I want to communicate. They want 583 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.760 to try to communicate. And then I asked myself, how 584 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:29.599 how are you going to do that? What are you 585 00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.840 going to do? And with my Native American history, I 586 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.679 started thinking and what came to my mind was if 587 00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.000 these things have been around and all the Native American 588 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.000 tribes in the in the country have different names for Sasquatch, 589 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.239 They've interacted with them, they traded with them, they had, 590 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:51.079 you know, names for them, then they maybe these Sasquatches 591 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:54.440 have watched Indians because Indians communicate with each other with 592 00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:58.159 sign language, and it's a it's a losing trade of 593 00:35:58.280 --> 00:36:01.920 Native American sign language. So the last few months, you know, 594 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.880 there wasn't laughing at me or whatever, but I've been 595 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.440 studying Native American sign language and trying to learn that, 596 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.559 and so when I'm in the forest with that happening, 597 00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.119 I try to, you know, I do Native American sign 598 00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:16.519 language to the woods, to the forest, thinking that maybe 599 00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.159 they're watching, and then maybe they can you see that 600 00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.920 I'm trying to communicate with them. So that's that's what 601 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.800 I was I would I tried to do when we 602 00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.519 heard that they were paralleling someone's parallelicness. I was doing 603 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.199 some communication with Native American sign language. 604 00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:34.280 I mean, that's better than pushing candy towards the sound. 605 00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:41.199 Yeah, I was. 606 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:47.519 Considered debate that I took that on quite willingly well, and. 607 00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:50.440 Like I said, it didn't happen when I would leap 608 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.639 frog them. It only happened when DANGD and Candy walk forward, 609 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.119 So that is is kind of interesting. 610 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:01.840 I find the sign language thing interesting because, like you 611 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.400 were saying, you know, the different tribes had different languages, 612 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.840 obviously different dialects and everything, but at one time they 613 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:13.400 had to be able to communicate with other tribes that 614 00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.800 didn't speak their language or whatever, and there was kind 615 00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:20.280 of a universal sign language that all the tribes shared, 616 00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:26.480 especially in geographic areas. And if you study language and culture, 617 00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:33.320 sign language happens before spoken language. So it stands to 618 00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:36.840 reason that if these things do have a language of 619 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.519 their own, which a lot of people theorize that they do, 620 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:43.519 that they would have also had some form of sign 621 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.760 language previous to that. And like you were saying, probably 622 00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:51.840 at one time were able to somewhat communicate with the 623 00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:57.079 Native Americans that they shared a home with. So yeah, 624 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:02.679 I'm all down for the sign language attempt. Did it 625 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.920 produce any results? 626 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:11.480 I haven't seen results, I can say that, but you're 627 00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:16.639 going to hear something later on that I questioned if 628 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.400 it caused a result, But we'll get to that when 629 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:25.000 we get to we get to Gypsy Meds and one last. 630 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.119 Little thing that had happened at Gifford Pinchot to us, 631 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.320 you know, and why we're so lucky to have all 632 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:34.639 these things happen, Like you said, maybe it's because we're 633 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:40.639 paying attention. But our last night there, we the campground 634 00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:43.400 we were in sort of had a circular road that 635 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:46.039 went around the campground, and most of the campsites were 636 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.039 on the outside of the circle. There were a couple 637 00:38:48.159 --> 00:38:51.440 on the inside, but nobody seemed to be camping there, 638 00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:53.960 and we had heard a couple of knights in a row, 639 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.559 as they had said, some calls and whoops and one 640 00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.639 one scream and the owls and that kind of thing. 641 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:05.079 Our last evening, it was right up around sundown and 642 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.280 some was just going down and we were all just 643 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:10.400 kind of sitting in our camp relaxing, and all of 644 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:14.039 a sudden we heard a whoop, and it seemed to 645 00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.719 be very close like it was in the circular area 646 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:21.639 of the of the campground, which was agains for us, 647 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:24.199 and I would guess that the loop was maybe three 648 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:27.159 it's of a mile around, And as soon as we 649 00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.960 heard this whoop, we kind of looked at each other, 650 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.760 realizing that it was it was close. On the previous 651 00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.400 calls we had heard that seemed to be coming from 652 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.039 the hilltop across the across the road, but this was 653 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:44.480 maybe two hundred feet away, and so we all grabbed 654 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.519 our stuff and Candy and I went into one of 655 00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.880 the open camp sites in that center portion, and David 656 00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:59.280 started sort of slowly walking through the forest. And David 657 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.239 and I didn't really find anything in the campground, but 658 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:03.800 we went in there because it was open, we thought 659 00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.239 we could look around, and we didn't find anything. So 660 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.880 I quickly backed out, realizing that David was going to 661 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:13.400 be walking across the center, and I kind of jogged 662 00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:16.440 around at the opposite side, and Casey flushed something out, 663 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:21.079 and we probably looked around for about twenty minutes and 664 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:24.360 never found anything, and it didn't hear any more sound. 665 00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.760 So either if it was in that center portion and 666 00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:31.920 made that loud gup, it was either hunke or down 667 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:34.559 in hiding and we never found it, or we had 668 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.280 flushed it out earlier. But that was sort of our 669 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:43.280 our last big thing in Gifford can show, except that 670 00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.840 at three o'clock in the morning that night, David and 671 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.440 I have both heard something walking through our campground. As 672 00:40:50.440 --> 00:40:52.440 it turned out, it never ended up on any of 673 00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:56.119 our game came. So whether it was a bear, whether 674 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.320 it was a bear or something else, I don't know. 675 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:03.440 But something sort of walks between our two tenths, which 676 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:06.679 was which were about fifty feet apart. So those were 677 00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.800 our experiences and different than show. And we haven't evenmitted 678 00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:11.920 to Gypsy Meadows yet. 679 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.840 There was one thing that I didn't mention was that 680 00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.400 when we were coming out of that road and remember 681 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:23.519 that Curtis, but we heard that rock clacking, you know, 682 00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:25.760 when I grabbed two rocks and I clacked back. 683 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:28.440 Oh yeah, yeah, that's n I. 684 00:41:28.360 --> 00:41:33.079 Got responded back three times, you know with my rock clacks, 685 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.000 and so like yep, there's something up there and it's 686 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.199 clacking rocks back. And every time I would clack a 687 00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:43.039 certain number, you would come back and then so that 688 00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:44.119 was exciting. 689 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.679 And it was copying the number of clacks. 690 00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:53.760 Yeah, it was just just like copying the whistles that 691 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:54.480 Candy did. 692 00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:55.199 Yeah. 693 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.760 I mean again, I'm trying to think, like, why would 694 00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.719 a person be up there clacking rocks together. Obviously you 695 00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:05.440 need hands to do that. If you were just hearing 696 00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:10.800 something natural doing it. It wouldn't copy the number of 697 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:11.840 times that you did it. 698 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.679 No, right, it was pretty cool. 699 00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:20.639 Yeah, yeah, I would say I would stick that feather 700 00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:21.719 in my hat for sure. 701 00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.679 All that's making Candy more excited pig. 702 00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:34.320 So we finally on Wednesday morning drove to Gypsey Meadows. 703 00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:36.840 This is our June trip. On the way, we picked 704 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.400 up my wife, Terry at the Spokane Airport. We kind 705 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.840 of got to Gypsey Meadows middle to late afternoon and 706 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.679 Will Olmer was there along with Marshall White, and then 707 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.719 their other friends Karen West came later that day. And 708 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.920 that night we were just kind of getting settled into 709 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:57.519 camp and they came over for a campfire, but not 710 00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.800 a lot happened. But about one in the morning, I 711 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.320 was awakened by a knock that's kind of pretty close 712 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:05.800 to my camp. I kind of listened for a while, 713 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.119 and nothing else really happened. The next day, you know, 714 00:43:10.199 --> 00:43:14.800 they had heard your interview with us, and so we 715 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.400 kind of showed them some of the areas where things 716 00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:20.840 had happened to us in two thousand and twenty four. 717 00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:27.400 And then that afternoon David was taking a nap and 718 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.079 something interesting happened to him. 719 00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.199 Yeah, so we had we had taken him up and 720 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:35.840 showed him where the X structure that we had seen 721 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:39.039 the year before was, and came back and we just 722 00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.199 decided to go get in my hammock and take a 723 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.920 nap and just laying and all of a sudden, I 724 00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:50.079 hear this thud of a rock like right behind my head. 725 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.440 It is like within within eight feet of me, and 726 00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.920 I was like, who just threw that rock at me? So, 727 00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:59.719 you know, And so I get up and look around, 728 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.960 and I'm looking for this rock because I know that 729 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:05.719 I heard the thud. And all the rocks except for 730 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:10.000 this one that I found, they're all embedded in the 731 00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.880 forest bed. You know, they got pine needles all around, 732 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:14.559 the dirt on them, you know, it's all like that. 733 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:17.320 But this one was totally clean, and it was right 734 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.679 where I thought I had heard this thud, so I 735 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.119 know that was the rock that had hit there. So 736 00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.639 I pick up the rock and I throw it up 737 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.840 in the air to hear what it sounds like when 738 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:31.079 it lands again. And it sounded exactly like the thud 739 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.039 that I had heard, you know when I did it. 740 00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.800 So I remembered your comment from our last and I 741 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:38.239 said Okay, I'm taking this home. 742 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:45.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 743 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:48.199 I didn't take the pine cone, but I said that 744 00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.320 reminded me I needed to take my trophy rome. So 745 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.039 I took that, and I sent you a picture of 746 00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.679 it on my mantle. 747 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.920 It is now a decoration in my home. 748 00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:05.840 Always fine whenever somebody unknowingly asked why do you have 749 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:06.360 this rock? 750 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:11.559 But so. 751 00:45:13.079 --> 00:45:15.880 Will Marshall and us. We had the whole meadow taken up, 752 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:18.119 you know, we had a spot for Sarah and Jonathan 753 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:22.400 when they come. But right before dinner, about you know, 754 00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:25.760 thirty minutes, you know, from after I had the rock 755 00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:28.719 thrown at me, Will and Marshall were sitting in Marshall's 756 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.039 camp and all of a sudden they hear these owl 757 00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:33.559 hoots go off, and then a real loud knock from 758 00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.559 across the main road up the ridge where you know, 759 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:39.400 the previous year we'd heard something, you know, the Sarah 760 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.679 sounds had gone across the camp from where we were 761 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.719 camping this time and up the hill back in twenty 762 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:47.760 four and that's where they heard this. And Will comes 763 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:49.679 over to get us and said, hey, we're going to 764 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.400 head up and follow this. We just heard this loud 765 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.760 knock up there along with these owls bart owl sounds. 766 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.760 So we grabbed our stuff and we went across there 767 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.679 and we had to go through some you know forest, 768 00:46:02.719 --> 00:46:05.559 about two one hundred yards of forest to get up 769 00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:08.679 to the main road from the camping area. And right 770 00:46:08.760 --> 00:46:10.960 when we got up there on the main road, we 771 00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:15.119 heard two low grunts that you know, like whoo whoo, 772 00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.760 you know, and Marshall, you know, is right behind Marshall's 773 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.679 camp up in that area. So once you go across 774 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.880 the main road, we started climbing up the mountain and 775 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:29.880 about seventy five you know feed up the mountain, Will 776 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.559 found another X structure and this was kind of in 777 00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.599 line where our X structure had been that we had 778 00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:40.199 found the year before, and so we couldn't see it 779 00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:42.440 from the road, but when we went through all this brush, 780 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:44.960 you know, we get up there and here's this X 781 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.159 structure there. So we kept climbing up another probably fifty 782 00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:52.039 vertical feet and it was pretty steep, you know, angle 783 00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:58.559 about fifty to sixty degrees. We'll you know, from where 784 00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.599 Will found his X cruise found something that was really 785 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:02.400 interesting there. 786 00:47:03.800 --> 00:47:06.559 Yeah, I kind of you know, we're climbing up and 787 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:10.199 I decided to go sideways instead of go vertical at 788 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.880 this one place to kind of get around a log. 789 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:18.199 When I went sideways, I came upon a little outcropping 790 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:23.239 of rock or in dirt, and it was maybe six 791 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:27.920 feet wide and maybe ten feet long, and in the 792 00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.960 outcropping were these fresh pine boughs and they were all 793 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.960 arranged in a circle, and in the center was a depression, 794 00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.599 and the depression, for lack of a better term, looked like, 795 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:48.079 you know, butt cheeks where somebody had set And I 796 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:51.719 called Little over and David over, and we're looking around, 797 00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:56.599 and nowhere around it was anything like that. We looked 798 00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:59.559 at the rest of the forest floor. There weren't these 799 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.519 fresh pineboughs just even just scattered let alone, all kind 800 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.880 of bundled up. And it didn't look like a place 801 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.960 where something had said. It looked like a little perch 802 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:14.920 if you would, looking out towards the two X structures. 803 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:19.880 And we turned around and looked downward, and there was 804 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.440 no way from the road that you could see this, 805 00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:25.119 because you're looking through the forest. But from up there 806 00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:28.239 there were breaks in the trees where you could view 807 00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:31.800 the road down below, and you could see the very 808 00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.639 far side of the meadow. And I don't know if 809 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.280 you remember back from twenty twenty four, but we had 810 00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:41.119 always heard some calls up from that direction. That seemed 811 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.920 to be where some of the answering calls came from. 812 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.599 And that was also the ridge that whatever ran through 813 00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:52.719 our camp and did the Sierra sounds, they went up 814 00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:57.440 that same ridge. So here, maybe one hundred and twenty 815 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:01.639 vertical feet up the hill, we find a little place 816 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.440 where it looks like something had set and washed the. 817 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:08.920 Road, and these pine boughs were weep together. You know, 818 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:10.400 you could see it. I think I sent you a 819 00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:14.639 picture of that, but it definitely circled and you know, 820 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.360 weave together to make this whatever. You know, it's not 821 00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:19.800 not big enough to be like a nest like you 822 00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:22.599 talked about, but it definitely looked like something that sat there. 823 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:27.920 Yeah, he sent me the photo and it's definitely not natural, 824 00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:34.480 and it's not I was trying to think of, like, okay, 825 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:39.360 well what could this be, and I mean, there's nothing there. 826 00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.280 Bears do make ground nests sometimes, but that's not what. 827 00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:44.719 They look like. 828 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:48.559 They look like an actual big old pile nest thing, 829 00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:52.519 and it certainly wouldn't have one, right there that close 830 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:53.880 to the campgrounds. 831 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.679 I mean, that's ridiculous, and you know, we. 832 00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.639 All started looking at it, and I don't know if 833 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.239 you know Will, but you know, after meeting him in 834 00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.000 June and then again going camping with him in August, 835 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:10.760 he's he's very observant. He started looking around and there 836 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.000 were a couple of places, one sort of on each 837 00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:17.199 side of the nest where it looks like something had 838 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.840 planted its hands to lift itself up to stand up, 839 00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:23.639 and you could see a couple of finger impressions. So 840 00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:29.119 it really did look like something had been using that 841 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:33.280 as an observation post to see down into the into 842 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:37.800 the meadow and down onto the road. So it was 843 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.480 you know, it definitely I agree, it didn't look like anything. 844 00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.360 That a bear mind, you know, just to reiterate what 845 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:50.280 you're saying, it's also interesting that it just happens to 846 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:54.280 be at a strategic point if you're trying to observe 847 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:54.800 the area. 848 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:59.880 Yeah. I don't know how many people believe in extra 849 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.199 but it was essentially in line with the X that 850 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:05.960 was close to our camp and the other X that 851 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.800 we had found halfway up the mountain, and it was 852 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.400 a perfect observation point. So whether it was an observation 853 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.559 point or not, it was at least a perfect place 854 00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.719 to put it. And so it was we kind of 855 00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.920 went further off and we ran into a rock wall 856 00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.119 and couldn't go any further and starting to get dark, 857 00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:26.320 so we all came down and we kind of separated 858 00:51:26.360 --> 00:51:30.920 for dinner. And why Paul, Will and Marshall were eating dinner, 859 00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:33.880 they heard roofs coming from that mountain that we had 860 00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:37.719 just come down in a couple of knocks, so you know, 861 00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.719 it was as if something was responding to us being 862 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:47.880 there twenty minutes earlier, and they run the campfire and 863 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.599 Will heard a rock hit a tree behind our camp 864 00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.159 and it was followed by two knocks. And the knocks 865 00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.880 sounded like they were coming up from that ridge again, 866 00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:03.599 not from where you know, the walk obviously hit our tree, 867 00:52:03.639 --> 00:52:06.679 but it sounded like, you know, they heard the whoops, 868 00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:10.239 and then we heard knocks later that night, and then. 869 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:10.880 That night. 870 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.880 Multiple bard owl calls kind of at two o'clock in 871 00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:19.840 the morning, and again whether these were owls or not, 872 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:25.679 you know, hard to say, but you know, it seemed 873 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:29.280 to those calls both in twenty twenty four and now 874 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:35.639 this year seemed to proceed strangeness, and Candy had something 875 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:38.079 really strange happened about two hours after that. 876 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:44.960 Yeah, I think I had gone to bed before anybody else. 877 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:52.639 It was probably about ten thirty eleven, and my routine 878 00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000 was in the middle of the night, I always had 879 00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.960 to get up and go to the bathroom, and I 880 00:52:57.039 --> 00:53:01.360 had a specific spot that I would walk down to 881 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.239 and take my toilet paper, and I dug a little hole, 882 00:53:06.280 --> 00:53:11.960 and then I found this nice sized rock, and it 883 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.039 just kind of reminded me of a small basketball that 884 00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.639 has been completely cut in half, so it was round 885 00:53:19.719 --> 00:53:22.239 like a bowl on the top and then completely flat 886 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.679 on the bottom. And so what I would do every 887 00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.880 night was I would take that rock and put it 888 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:29.840 over my. 889 00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.639 Hole with the toilet paper in it. 890 00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:37.760 And every morning that I would go out there, my 891 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.039 rock would be moved and it would be set probably 892 00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:49.039 two to three feet away from my little hole. I 893 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:53.559 didn't really think anything about that, and it wasn't until 894 00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:58.599 the next day after I had my nice little experience 895 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:06.440 in the tent. I had been oh, probably awake about 896 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:11.239 thirty minutes and it was just just starting to get 897 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:17.280 light outside, and I was laying there, and I was 898 00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.239 on my laying on my right side, and I was 899 00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.679 looking at David, and I was thinking, how in the 900 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:30.079 world can someone lay on their stomach and snores so loudly? 901 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:36.039 And I need it was just a lot. 902 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:41.800 He doesn't usually snore. And I lay in there thinking this, 903 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:46.280 and all of a sudden I just had something push 904 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:52.320 right in, touched my left side and just kind of 905 00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:58.679 pushed came right back out. I immediately started shaking David, 906 00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:02.440 tell him, you know, David, David, David. 907 00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:04.639 You know, something just touched me. Something just touched me. 908 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:07.039 And so by the time he. 909 00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:12.880 Woke up, got himself, turned over and zipped, got the flashlight, 910 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:18.440 got out, couldn't see anything. But what I could say 911 00:55:18.760 --> 00:55:25.000 is it was not the nose of an animal. It 912 00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:32.840 was not pointy. It was flat. And I would say 913 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.119 I have a pretty good sized hand for a female, 914 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.639 and I would say it felt flat and about the 915 00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:47.679 same size as my hand. It did not push in hard, 916 00:55:47.400 --> 00:55:50.840 It didn't feel like a threatening touch. 917 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:52.599 It just. 918 00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:58.719 Felt calmly, just pushed in, pushed into my thigh and 919 00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:01.679 just calmly rely and left. 920 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:10.639 And that was very terry. 921 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:15.039 I then proceeded, to, of course get David awake, and 922 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:20.039 he got out, didn't see anything. And then I proceeded 923 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:23.039 to take my bags that were in our little tiny tint. 924 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:26.440 I made a wall and went back to sleep, and 925 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:30.280 that's how I slept the last two nights. I did 926 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.719 not want something to touch me again. 927 00:56:35.679 --> 00:56:40.960 I mean, first off, hats off to you for not 928 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.159 packing up and going home. 929 00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.079 At that point, I. 930 00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.360 Almost slept in the truck. And then I have. 931 00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:54.320 Let David know that we will be purchasing a bigger tint. 932 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:59.880 Okay, So a funny story. Whenever I first got in 933 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.119 bigfoot stuff, I was completely new to all of it. 934 00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.639 I had been camping a few times in my life, 935 00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:12.840 but nothing, you know, serious. And so I go out, 936 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.119 I buy my tent, my sleeping bag and everything. I'm 937 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.719 off to the bigfoot world, all right. So I set 938 00:57:18.800 --> 00:57:20.719 up my little pup tent and I'm laying there the 939 00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.679 first night and my feet are touching the door, my 940 00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.840 head's touching the back wall, my arms against the side. 941 00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:29.559 I can reach out and touch the other wall. And 942 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:33.119 I was like, mm, Nope, this is not gonna work. 943 00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:35.679 I'm gonna buy me a bigger tent, so I know 944 00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.559 exactly what you're talking about. But I mean, so was 945 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:47.840 it like, if this makes sense, a slow touch, Yes, and. 946 00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:49.519 Whatever it was was flat. 947 00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:51.559 It was. 948 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.639 About the size of my hand. That's the best I 949 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:56.519 could explain it. 950 00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.880 And you didn't hear anything. 951 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:04.239 I know, Unfortunately with the snoring, I did not hear anything. 952 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:11.360 You know, probably two to three hours prior to that, 953 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.280 I was awake and had gone out and went to 954 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:18.599 the bathroom, and I did hear what sounded like maybe 955 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:20.079 some footprints. 956 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.760 Walking around in the. 957 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:26.800 Camp, but I wasn't about to get out and look. 958 00:58:29.719 --> 00:58:30.920 But yeah, I heard. 959 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:34.599 They were soft. It was soft walking. 960 00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.239 It wasn't whatever it was to me, I wouldn't have 961 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:46.559 thought it was big, but I definitely heard. I mean, 962 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:50.079 the best I can describe it would be just someone 963 00:58:50.239 --> 00:58:52.199 just lightly walking around. 964 00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:58.480 Whenever you noticed that the rock was being moved, without 965 00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:01.920 being too graphic, was anything else. 966 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:09.599 Disturbed, No, nope, they they It didn't mess with my 967 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.760 toilet paper. But the rock was pretty heavy. 968 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:16.239 It was not a small rock. It was pretty heavy. 969 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:17.480 I had to use. 970 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:18.639 Both my hands. 971 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:25.760 So whatever moved it, it would you would think because 972 00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:28.119 it wasn't on its side, it was not upside down. 973 00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.360 It had to have picked it up and then said 974 00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:35.320 it it was about two feet about two feet away 975 00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:39.119 from the hole each time, and I really didn't think 976 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.400 anything about it. And of course it wasn't until David 977 00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:46.000 and Curtis and Will started talking about it, and David 978 00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:48.719 can tell you what they've come up with. 979 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:52.239 Well, first, David, I want to hear about your reaction 980 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.400 to her waking you up saying something just touched me. 981 00:59:57.320 --> 00:59:59.119 I was like, okay, I need to get out and 982 00:59:59.159 --> 01:00:02.519 get this, you know. I rolled over, I grabbed my 983 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.840 you know, flashlight, my gun and that I had there, 984 01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:09.360 and I unzipped and I basically stood up, you know, 985 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:11.679 as fast as I could. It was it was at 986 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:15.280 least thirty probably thirty seconds, you know. She it took 987 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.719 her a while to wake me up, you know, and 988 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.000 but by the time I got up and stood up 989 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.239 outside the door of our tent and looked around with 990 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.639 sign and thinks I didn't see anything with it. But 991 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.960 she was pretty pretty frightened about it, you know when 992 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.239 it happened, So I knew it was something that really 993 01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:38.039 happened to her, you know, at that time. The thought 994 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.320 process that we had because she didn't tell us about 995 01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:44.079 this rock being moved until later. But the process was 996 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:48.199 is that I think that whatever was there had smelled whatever, 997 01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:53.280 you know, odor and probably that's why it probably came 998 01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:55.800 over and pushed on the tent and could probably you know, 999 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.840 had her odor on it, and that's what she, you know, 1000 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:00.960 may have felt. That's the only thing we could think 1001 01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:07.559 about because it was definitely moving the rock and became 1002 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.239 right to where what tensu didn't go to curses and 1003 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.760 Terry's tent. It didn't do, you know, anyone else's doing 1004 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.400 right to her side right there. Coincidentally, we're not, you know, 1005 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.519 I mean, not to creep anybody out. It was probably 1006 01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:25.880 watching you go to the bathroom. That's my theory that 1007 01:01:25.960 --> 01:01:30.239 it was. It was watching camp at night, like I mean, 1008 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:35.239 they know you're there, you know, and here's a woman 1009 01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:37.039 and she comes out of the tent in the middle 1010 01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:39.400 of the night and she goes and uses the bathroom. 1011 01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:42.440 I mean, yeah, the rock being disturbed and everything, I 1012 01:01:42.639 --> 01:01:43.800 would completely agree. 1013 01:01:44.199 --> 01:01:46.159 I think it was watching you. 1014 01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.280 Well, whatever it was came back every night because it 1015 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.800 was moved every morning. It didn't just happen one night, 1016 01:01:53.880 --> 01:01:55.079 it was every night. 1017 01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:01.280 And this was the night before John and Sarah got 1018 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:04.880 there and after they got there in a few minutes. 1019 01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.119 We have another thing where another little story where something 1020 01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:14.519 may have been washing this, So you're you're probably absolutely correct. 1021 01:02:15.400 --> 01:02:20.280 That's a lot of activity where where she's gone to 1022 01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:27.239 the bathroom was right where those individuals running through that camp. 1023 01:02:27.840 --> 01:02:31.000 I doing the Sierra Sounds a year before, so it 1024 01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:36.039 seemed like an area that was frequented by by them, 1025 01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.800 and I agree with you, I think something was watching her. 1026 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:45.039 The next day, we all at different times, decided to 1027 01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:51.199 go for hikes up into the wilderness area Marshall will 1028 01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:58.159 and one in the morning, and then David and myself 1029 01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:01.960 and Candy and Terry went on hiking after and at 1030 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:05.639 one point of our hike, we all passed or came 1031 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.719 out near the trailhead at the end of the meadow. 1032 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:13.360 It's all seven of us had been there, and you know, 1033 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:17.840 everything looked normal, so to speak. The next morning, the 1034 01:03:17.880 --> 01:03:21.599 morning that Sarah and Jonathan eventually arrived, I woke up early, 1035 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.360 about five point thirty, and I wasn't going back to sleep, 1036 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.679 so I got up and decided to hike down and 1037 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:32.119 walk into that trailhead again, because there's a trail that 1038 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.159 goes into the wilderness at the end of the meadow, 1039 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.800 and Will was capped down there. And when I got 1040 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:39.239 down there, he was kind of sitting out near his fire, 1041 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.119 and he briefly talked, and I said, I'll be back 1042 01:03:42.119 --> 01:03:43.800 in ten or fifteen minutes. I'm just going for a 1043 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.719 quick walk. And I walked down to the end of 1044 01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:52.119 the meadow where the trailhead was, and now there were 1045 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:56.440 two five or six foot long branches playing on the 1046 01:03:56.480 --> 01:04:01.960 ground in an X pattern. And to our knowledge, none 1047 01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.960 of the seven of us had seen it day before. 1048 01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:07.880 And you know, this is something that was pretty obvious. 1049 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.400 I mean I saw it right away when close to 1050 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.280 the trailhead and went and got Will asked him if 1051 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.480 if you remember, had seen it the day before. He 1052 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:19.280 had not. Once everybody was up, we asked everybody. Nobody 1053 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:22.280 had seen it. But now, all of a sudden, I 1054 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.440 think the last hike was around four thirty or five 1055 01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:28.840 in the evening. Now twelve and a half thirteen hours later, 1056 01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.840 there's all of a sudden, an X right by the trailhead. 1057 01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.800 And we've even gone back and looked at videos that 1058 01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:41.960 people have taken. I think Will did a he'd drone 1059 01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.920 video for b Roll for his videos and he's he 1060 01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:50.039 took off almost in that exact spot, and you can 1061 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:52.719 actually see one of the sticks off to the side. 1062 01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:56.480 It was nowhere near here. We ended up finding it, 1063 01:04:56.920 --> 01:05:00.119 and there somehow was now another stick forming an X. Know, 1064 01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:03.840 we were the only ones, as David said, in the 1065 01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:07.800 whole meadow where there are people camping a quarter mile away. Yes, 1066 01:05:08.360 --> 01:05:10.360 could somebody had come in the evening and put down 1067 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:15.239 an X on the ground. I suppose that, you know, 1068 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:17.960 they would have had either god like past all of 1069 01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:21.920 us to do it or gone through the wilderness to 1070 01:05:22.119 --> 01:05:24.760 do it. So it was just out of the last 1071 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.440 strange finding before Sarah and Jonathan arrived. 1072 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:34.440 I mean, a group full of people up bigfooting don't 1073 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:43.000 notice an X highly unlikely and and you know at 1074 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:44.679 the time we didn't other than. 1075 01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.320 Seeing the X there, the location really didn't you know, 1076 01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.719 stand out to us. But something happened in August at 1077 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:58.880 an exact location. So you know, once we came back 1078 01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.719 in August, we kind of put to each other that 1079 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:06.719 probably something had been uh right at the end of 1080 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.920 the trail head watching all of us. So gets back 1081 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:11.840 to that watching thing that we talked about. 1082 01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:19.199 Yeah, when we get there, well, So later that day, 1083 01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.880 Jonathan and Sarah arrived again in the late afternoon, you know, 1084 01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.519 on Friday, and when they got settled, they came over 1085 01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:28.400 and it was it was nice to meet them and 1086 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:30.679 we all had a good, you know, a good time 1087 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.239 around the you know, campfire, telling stories and things like that. 1088 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.039 She did, she did a recording of that and put 1089 01:06:39.039 --> 01:06:42.000 it in her solely Sasquatch channel so that she has 1090 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:45.480 a good, you know, good video you know, of that time. 1091 01:06:46.079 --> 01:06:48.800 But about eleven thirty, we were, you know, Will's there, 1092 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.119 Marshall's there, Eron's there, we're all we're all that camping. 1093 01:06:51.280 --> 01:06:55.800 There's no one, no one missing, and we heard a 1094 01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.519 tree knock behind our camp from that direction you know 1095 01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:02.440 we've been talking about where you know, Candy would go 1096 01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:04.480 out there and go pee, and in that same direction 1097 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:09.599 behind the bare box. And about five minutes later, I 1098 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:12.239 think I sent you a picture of the meadow. Yeah, 1099 01:07:13.559 --> 01:07:15.599 but the tree if you're looking from our camp and 1100 01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.280 that and that meadow on the left to the left, 1101 01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.519 there was we heard it h a tree, a snap, 1102 01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.119 a branch break over there. And it wasn't that you 1103 01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:29.159 know long a time from when we'd heard a knock 1104 01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:33.199 from behind our camp, and so there was a like 1105 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.960 about hundred yards in the opposite direction, and so we 1106 01:07:36.360 --> 01:07:38.400 will and you know, all of us, we went over 1107 01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:41.159 towards tree line with our thermals and we're looking in 1108 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:45.440 that area. And what was interesting. We'll started speculating and 1109 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:49.039 he was like, you know what, let's just assume that 1110 01:07:49.039 --> 01:07:51.199 that was a big foot over there with the tree knock. 1111 01:07:51.679 --> 01:07:53.920 I did not have time to come over here without 1112 01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.800 us hearing it going through the woods over here to 1113 01:07:57.280 --> 01:08:01.320 branch do it a branch break over here. So if 1114 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:06.039 we're making an assumption that there's two of them, he speculated, 1115 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.079 I think we're going to hear another response back over 1116 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:13.440 in that direction pretty soon. So we all went back 1117 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.760 to the camp and within five minutes we heard another 1118 01:08:15.840 --> 01:08:17.960 knock in this direction he thought it was going to 1119 01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:25.239 come from. So that was pretty weird all of a sudden, 1120 01:08:25.399 --> 01:08:27.560 you know, once we're standing around and we heard that 1121 01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:29.800 of a knock, we're like, yeah, okay, well knows what 1122 01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:36.479 he's talking about. And then the motion light went off. 1123 01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:39.279 His camp was at the end of the meadow where 1124 01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.840 we had camped the previous year, and we were in 1125 01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:45.800 the camp where those two guys where the pack went 1126 01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:49.640 through the year before. But we saw his motion light 1127 01:08:49.720 --> 01:08:51.760 go off in his camp and he goes, my light 1128 01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:54.319 just went off, so we all we grabbed our thermals 1129 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.520 and we started looking down that direction he went down 1130 01:08:56.560 --> 01:08:59.560 to see investigated, but he had a setup. It wasn't 1131 01:08:59.600 --> 01:09:01.880 just going to go off, and it wasn't windy, but 1132 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.800 for some type of motion. It wasn't gona be a 1133 01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:08.520 branch moving or things like that. Didn't find anything we 1134 01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:10.760 knowing there. I was looking through my thermal into that 1135 01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:14.960 left side of the meadow. I saw a heat motion 1136 01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:17.920 come out and go back in and I didn't know 1137 01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:19.920 what it was. I couldn't say what it was, but 1138 01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:22.239 I saw this motion about three quarters the way down 1139 01:09:22.239 --> 01:09:25.520 the meadow in the tree line, you know, come out 1140 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.159 and just for a split second. And it wasn't long 1141 01:09:28.279 --> 01:09:31.000 enough to be able to do size or anything like 1142 01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.920 that in the handheld that I was looking at, but 1143 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.720 it was interesting to see that at the same time 1144 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:40.720 as and Will had seen his motion like go off 1145 01:09:40.760 --> 01:09:47.600 and we started looking at that. So that that's how 1146 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.560 that night ended with all that going on. 1147 01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:57.760 How far away from the motion light was the. 1148 01:09:56.359 --> 01:10:01.399 Heat signature straight straight across the meadow, probably about fifty 1149 01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:05.680 feet it was, you know, it's right directly across, you know, 1150 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.960 from It was right in the same if I was. 1151 01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:13.000 In August of this year, I went and put a 1152 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:15.159 thermal camera in that area in the tree line, and 1153 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:17.920 it was right in that area that I had seen 1154 01:10:17.960 --> 01:10:21.039 this quick motion just to heat in and eat, you know, 1155 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:27.439 out and back in, you know type thing. Right, So 1156 01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.159 something set off the motion down there, you know, with 1157 01:10:30.279 --> 01:10:35.920 it and a lot of heat signature, yeap, just just 1158 01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:39.319 a flash of a heat signature there. 1159 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.239 So the next day was our last full day in June, 1160 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.319 and Sarah and Jonathan did all in their interviews and 1161 01:10:45.880 --> 01:10:48.640 people can go to their channel and Will's channel because 1162 01:10:48.680 --> 01:10:53.439 he did some interviews. But we kind of gathered again 1163 01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:58.960 about ten thirty around our campfire at that at our 1164 01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:06.640 same campground campsite, and that night we heard a couple 1165 01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:09.199 of whistles right behind the camp and that was about it. 1166 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:13.119 Nothing else happened, and so eventually we all went to 1167 01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:17.880 bed about a twelve thirty quarters one and then about 1168 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:21.239 one fifty in the morning. David and I were in 1169 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.479 different camps but the next morning we talked about we 1170 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:27.439 were both awakened by multiple bar owls. There go those 1171 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:32.079 crazy bart owls again. But there were probably three or 1172 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:36.279 four of them at various distances from the from our camp, 1173 01:11:36.359 --> 01:11:39.279 and I think I sent that audio to you and 1174 01:11:39.319 --> 01:11:41.960 they went for about four minutes, but right in the 1175 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:47.000 middle of it there was this high pitched noise that 1176 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:49.800 we have on audio, and we've had it cleaned up 1177 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:53.079 a bit. And the next morning when David and I 1178 01:11:53.239 --> 01:11:56.159 talked about it, and it probably lasted for maybe five 1179 01:11:56.279 --> 01:11:59.600 or ten seconds, when we talked about it, we thought 1180 01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:01.720 that it had been monkey chatter. 1181 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:03.239 Like you know. 1182 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.159 Now on the audio, you can't hear that. You just 1183 01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:13.159 hear something, you know, loud, loud and high pitched, almost 1184 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:15.800 sounds like a shriek. But we had thought we had 1185 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:20.520 heard monkey chatterer the night before, and that was a 1186 01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.880 kind of the we thought the end of our trip. 1187 01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:26.600 Nothing else really happened that night that we know of, 1188 01:12:26.760 --> 01:12:30.119 and the next day we all turned around and went home. 1189 01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.159 But about a week or two after that June trip, 1190 01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:36.960 and we weren't going to mention this, but I think 1191 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.239 I can mention it now because Wolf said something about 1192 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:44.199 it on his channel actually yesterday. He has a video 1193 01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.000 that was taken at twelve thirty that night, and we 1194 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:49.920 were still around the camp camp before we'd all gone 1195 01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:55.439 to bed. And I won't say much about it because 1196 01:12:55.720 --> 01:12:57.119 I'll let him on his video. 1197 01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:59.760 You know, it's his video there it. 1198 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:06.560 He did say in his video yesterday, uh something about 1199 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:10.039 a peaker. Uh. And you can't look as the t 1200 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.760 for his next video. So so you know, your thing 1201 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:20.880 about them washing us while we're in camp definitely happened 1202 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:21.880 on that June trip. 1203 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:23.840 Yeah, it sounds like it. 1204 01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.920 Yeah, we can't really we won't describe the video. I'll 1205 01:13:30.920 --> 01:13:36.359 just tell people I'm sure it up there, but we 1206 01:13:36.680 --> 01:13:39.840 David and I have both seen it. It's it's interesting that. 1207 01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:47.399 Was just one trip. I mean, Candy, where did you 1208 01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:51.199 stand after that trip? Were you still on the fence 1209 01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:52.800 or well? 1210 01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:57.279 I enjoyed being their bait. Yeah, I think it worked well. 1211 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:04.079 And I have to I have to admit that I'm 1212 01:14:04.079 --> 01:14:09.920 probably pretty much a believer now. You just there's just 1213 01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:15.359 too many things we heard, the footprints, we found being touched, 1214 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.000 too many things that. 1215 01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:21.800 I can't just say, Ah, that was that's nothing. 1216 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.720 Oh that was a bear. No, I think I probably 1217 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.840 would have heard the bear. I've been around enough bears 1218 01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:32.600 out camping, and I know what they sound like, and 1219 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.720 so for me, I was very impressed. 1220 01:14:36.840 --> 01:14:38.000 I was impressed with. 1221 01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:42.720 How Curtis and David are very serious. 1222 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:46.119 When we were out there. There's no talking. 1223 01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:49.840 I gotta walk when they tell you to walk, and 1224 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:53.319 you know, you just kind of need to stay. 1225 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:54.840 In line with what they're doing. 1226 01:14:54.960 --> 01:15:00.640 And I have to just say it was very eye opening. 1227 01:15:01.399 --> 01:15:06.239 I had a awesome time, and I could I could 1228 01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:07.520 go do this all summer now. 1229 01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:11.119 I really enjoyed it. 1230 01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:16.560 David, it sounds like she's hooked. Yeah, I think she. 1231 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:18.640 I think she is. 1232 01:15:23.159 --> 01:15:28.079 Interestingly enough, Will tells about an episode where he got 1233 01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:31.600 touched during his tent. So, for those of you who 1234 01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:36.319 follow Will's channel, he usually hangs a big, bigfoot flag 1235 01:15:36.760 --> 01:15:40.319 wherever he goes, and and on the last day when 1236 01:15:40.319 --> 01:15:44.359 we were leaving in June, he got out of his 1237 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:47.560 his vehicle as he was leaving and walked over to 1238 01:15:47.680 --> 01:15:51.359 our camp holding this thing all holded up, and he 1239 01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:55.439 gave it to Candy. He said, you've been annointed. You 1240 01:15:55.520 --> 01:16:02.640 deserve my flag. And so she about a souvenir from me. 1241 01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:05.079 Yes, I do. 1242 01:16:06.159 --> 01:16:09.079 I mean, I just hope you understand candy that there's 1243 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:11.560 like a million people out there that would love to 1244 01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.520 be in your position, and that would I mean, that's 1245 01:16:15.600 --> 01:16:19.520 one of the most amazing first trips into the bigfoot 1246 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:21.399 world that I've ever heard. 1247 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:26.520 Uh yeah, yeah, it's Uh it's one of those where 1248 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.600 you feel you're almost stiel silly telling everybody about it. 1249 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.159 But it was real. 1250 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:38.119 It happened, and I don't know what it was, but 1251 01:16:38.239 --> 01:16:41.720 it happened, and I'm more than ready to go out 1252 01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:42.920 and see if it will happen again. 1253 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.399 The last time I checked, June and August aren't that 1254 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:54.800 far apart. I thought you guys usually spaced these trips 1255 01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:56.119 out a little bit farther than that. 1256 01:16:57.560 --> 01:17:00.000 Well, we did. We'd only did it once a year, 1257 01:17:00.199 --> 01:17:02.880 and from twenty two to twenty four we had a 1258 01:17:03.640 --> 01:17:05.800 you know, we're a year gap, two year gap in that. 1259 01:17:06.079 --> 01:17:09.960 But we had discussed before, you know, that we had 1260 01:17:09.960 --> 01:17:12.960 had so much happen to us, and twenty twenty four 1261 01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:18.199 in August, you know, with the what I only described 1262 01:17:18.199 --> 01:17:22.039 as Sierra Sounds and all that that we had, we 1263 01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:24.039 didn't know what was going to be happening with you know, 1264 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:26.880 going with Will and Sarah and all these people and 1265 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:29.439 we're just going up there and videotaping what or had 1266 01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:32.000 happened before that. We had decided we were going to 1267 01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:34.760 plan to go back in August, you know, purchasing me. 1268 01:17:35.760 --> 01:17:38.439 So we had that kind of planned already, but there 1269 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:43.680 was so much activity, you know, in June that when 1270 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:47.199 we went to August, you know, we had you know, 1271 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:51.000 I got all the Will and said, hey, we're coming 1272 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:55.000 back up. Do you want to come join us? And 1273 01:17:55.039 --> 01:17:58.079 he said yeah, he'd love to. And there was, you 1274 01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:01.399 know that what we're we're talking about. He wanted to 1275 01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:06.039 recreate something and it was good that we were all 1276 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.199 up there together, and so he came up there. He 1277 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:13.319 invited another friend of his who had been a bigfoot 1278 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:15.319 researcher in that he lives in that area, of Bill 1279 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.800 Bill Bisson and his wife. They got there a few 1280 01:18:19.880 --> 01:18:21.880 days before we did and had been camping in that 1281 01:18:21.960 --> 01:18:25.760 area and it was then when Will came and they 1282 01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.199 camped in the site and that little campsite that we 1283 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:33.159 had talked about before last year where the gentleman whose 1284 01:18:33.399 --> 01:18:36.319 name now we know is Randy Luke, he had his 1285 01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:38.600 camper there and he's the one that we talked about 1286 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:42.079 that had said I think I saw a bigfoot had 1287 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:50.319 walked across there. And so Randy had been watching Will's 1288 01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:54.560 and Sarah's video and he was like, I know that 1289 01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:56.560 I was there. I was like, guy, you know, And 1290 01:18:56.760 --> 01:19:00.880 so he was all excited, and he had watching those videos. 1291 01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.039 He had learned that we were coming back in August. 1292 01:19:03.199 --> 01:19:07.079 We had stated that, and so he came back up 1293 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.560 and had camped in that exact same site. When we 1294 01:19:11.600 --> 01:19:14.840 got there, he was there, and him and Zil were 1295 01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.399 camped right across the road from each other. And then 1296 01:19:18.399 --> 01:19:21.640 when Will came in, he camped across and the next 1297 01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:25.680 camp over in that outside camping area right by the bathroom. 1298 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:30.640 So when we got there, there was actually a ton 1299 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:33.720 of people in the meadow. There were a horse people 1300 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:36.520 who had been working on trails and stuff, but they 1301 01:19:36.520 --> 01:19:39.720 were all packing up and they left like forty five 1302 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:41.439 minutes after we got there, and then the meadow was 1303 01:19:41.479 --> 01:19:45.439 empty for us. So we went down to the original 1304 01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.079 campsite that we were at in twenty four and camped 1305 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:53.720 in the same spot there. But it was cool that 1306 01:19:53.800 --> 01:20:00.199 Randy came back, and it's interesting, you know, Will did 1307 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:05.319 an interview with him that he posted on his channel. 1308 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:08.760 Now you can you can watch that, But he basically 1309 01:20:09.640 --> 01:20:12.720 told the story that we had been well, we had 1310 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:15.479 said on the podcast, we had assumed and thought that 1311 01:20:16.000 --> 01:20:18.680 he said the bigfood walked from the creek area by 1312 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:22.439 the bathroom and out, and he bay said, no, no, no, no, 1313 01:20:22.479 --> 01:20:28.199 that's not what happened. He said it was walking along 1314 01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:30.439 the forest and the road on the road that comes 1315 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:34.039 out from the meadow. And as when I went into 1316 01:20:34.079 --> 01:20:38.640 the bathroom, Curtis went around and back into the campsite, 1317 01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:40.960 it went out there and stopped and then walked back 1318 01:20:41.000 --> 01:20:44.600 into the forest. And from what we were thinking about 1319 01:20:44.840 --> 01:20:48.439 was that it was actually tracking us as we were 1320 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:51.319 walking out from the meadow, and it probably followed us 1321 01:20:51.359 --> 01:20:53.680 all the way from our camp all the way out 1322 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:55.600 to that bathroom, and then it couldn't go any further 1323 01:20:55.640 --> 01:20:58.359 because it was the open, open area and there was 1324 01:20:58.439 --> 01:21:03.600 campsites there, but their recreation on size and it was, 1325 01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:06.199 you know, a lot bigger than any of us where 1326 01:21:06.880 --> 01:21:09.439 when we were walking. The people can go watch that 1327 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.640 on you know Willi's channel Return to Gypsy Mos part two, 1328 01:21:14.359 --> 01:21:17.479 you know, the Grassman fifty eight and that's an interesting interview, 1329 01:21:17.840 --> 01:21:20.560 you know for that, but he kind of corrected that 1330 01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:23.319 part of the story for us, and then it started 1331 01:21:23.319 --> 01:21:25.720 making a little more sense on what's going on. But 1332 01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:29.279 it's what amazing me is that person. I don't we 1333 01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:32.319 don't walk down the road loud talking, making noises. We're 1334 01:21:32.359 --> 01:21:35.960 walking down the road looking for things where we're you know, 1335 01:21:35.960 --> 01:21:39.159 we're checking, we're looking, we're looking around, we're trying, we're 1336 01:21:39.239 --> 01:21:41.199 trying to We never know what's going to happen. So 1337 01:21:42.119 --> 01:21:45.399 but whatever, we walked down that road, we didn't notice 1338 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.319 this thing is following us. And I was like, man, 1339 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:51.399 we really got to step up our game if we're 1340 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:54.359 missing something like that. You know, let's tracked us all 1341 01:21:54.359 --> 01:21:58.520 the way from our our camps and we couldn't know 1342 01:21:58.640 --> 01:21:59.239 that it was there. 1343 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:02.399 That was pretty I keep on coming back to the 1344 01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:04.319 same thought in my head as I'm listening to all this. 1345 01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:06.760 They're watching all the time. 1346 01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:14.239 Yeah they are, and you know a little bit you'll hear, 1347 01:22:15.199 --> 01:22:19.000 you know even more that gives you that impression. That 1348 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:24.520 night we got smart. We set out audio recorders. We 1349 01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.720 weren't so smart the year before and never got to 1350 01:22:26.880 --> 01:22:31.159 zero down. But at that very first night in our camp, 1351 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:36.239 after we reviewed it, when we got home, David found 1352 01:22:36.319 --> 01:22:39.439 something interesting that that happened about two o'clock in the morning. 1353 01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:45.039 That was yeah, I don't know. I bought them. We'd 1354 01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.319 all we went down and you know, I got a 1355 01:22:47.319 --> 01:22:50.239 thermal camera and Curtis got a thermal camera. I got 1356 01:22:50.319 --> 01:22:53.880 multiple recorders. So we were really trying to get equipment 1357 01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:57.640 up to cover this area. So up above the camp 1358 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:02.119 there is a weather rain collection station that they have 1359 01:23:02.319 --> 01:23:05.920 up there, and you have a post there with a 1360 01:23:05.960 --> 01:23:08.359 sign don't disturb. So I just go up there and 1361 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.399 it's up on a ridge and it's a pretty good 1362 01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:16.279 area for the whole surrounding area that for us, and 1363 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:18.600 I put a recorder up on the post up there. 1364 01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:23.600 It's pretty good place to have it. And I get 1365 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:26.399 this recorded, and I have probably ten of these things. 1366 01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:29.760 And as there's like a it's like a bang that 1367 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:32.600 goes on. It's like and I don't know how to 1368 01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.399 describe it. I send you the audio on it. At 1369 01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:40.079 one bang. I probably have ten of those, and will 1370 01:23:40.119 --> 01:23:43.520 recorded one also as a bang. It's almost like a 1371 01:23:43.640 --> 01:23:47.399 loud drum, like a single drum beat. And I have 1372 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.159 about ten of those types of sounds through the night, 1373 01:23:51.000 --> 01:23:55.039 and one of them all of a sudden I'm hearing 1374 01:23:55.399 --> 01:23:59.119 right before the bang, I hear this. I can describe 1375 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:02.840 it as a female or a young kid talking, and 1376 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:05.600 I don't recognize a language. I don't understand it. But 1377 01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:08.439 then there's a loud bang, and then there's more talking, 1378 01:24:09.319 --> 01:24:13.359 and I don't even know how to describe it, but 1379 01:24:13.439 --> 01:24:18.399 it's definitely a young or a female voice in multiple 1380 01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:25.520 vocalizations right after before and after that bang. I don't 1381 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:27.119 know if you're able to hear it or not, but 1382 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:32.199 it was very, very strange, and I go, there's no 1383 01:24:32.359 --> 01:24:34.560 females out there walking in the middle of two o'clock 1384 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:37.640 in the morning, and that's that's out in the wilderness area. 1385 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:40.920 It's like, who's going to be coming out there and 1386 01:24:40.960 --> 01:24:44.439 talking around my recorder? Yeah, you know at that time, 1387 01:24:44.479 --> 01:24:48.239 And so I don't know what that is, but it 1388 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:53.399 was definitely a strange voice talking in a in a 1389 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:56.319 young female pitch voice. 1390 01:24:56.319 --> 01:25:02.079 With that, of course, we hadn't heard it. We heard 1391 01:25:02.039 --> 01:25:04.119 it when we got back into town and listened to 1392 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:08.560 the audio. But the next morning, after breakfast, we decided 1393 01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:12.840 to go out into the wilderness across the creek, and 1394 01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:18.119 we were probably only two hundred feet away from camp 1395 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:21.239 and right in the creek bed in some kind of 1396 01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:27.760 heavily sandy area, David found a twelve inch bare footprint 1397 01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:30.439 and that you could see toes in and we ended 1398 01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.920 up scanning it and casting it. But just to put 1399 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.479 in perspective, the size twelve inch doesn't sound that big. 1400 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:40.039 David and I both wear a size thirteen shoes and 1401 01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:43.119 our feet are about eleven and a half inches, So 1402 01:25:43.159 --> 01:25:46.720 something with a size fourteen or so foot was walking 1403 01:25:46.760 --> 01:25:51.159 barefoot near the creek. And then later that day a 1404 01:25:51.279 --> 01:25:55.520 lady came into camp and she camped at the end 1405 01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:00.359 where in June we had all that activity, and she 1406 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.840 had a horse trailer with two horses and two little dogs, 1407 01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:07.439 and we were kind of wondering, are these horses gonna 1408 01:26:07.479 --> 01:26:10.399 be bad for business or the dogs gonna be bad 1409 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.239 for business? And they're gonna be good for business, you know, 1410 01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:18.479 What's what's the deal? But but that kind of comes 1411 01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:22.520 into play a little later on. But that she came 1412 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:27.159 in that day. That second evening, I was pretty quiet. 1413 01:26:27.239 --> 01:26:29.760 We didn't don't remember hearing much, and there wasn't a 1414 01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:33.880 ton on our audio. But around three in the morning, 1415 01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:40.399 David had bought Motion Life similar to Will's and again 1416 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:42.960 it hadn't really gone off most of the week that 1417 01:26:43.000 --> 01:26:44.960 we were there, or most of the time we were there, 1418 01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:48.079 but at three in the morning, it went off, and 1419 01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:52.439 David and I could hear footsteps in and around the camp. 1420 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.359 You know, the crazy thing is, we have thermal on 1421 01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:00.399 the on the meadow, we got game cameras in our 1422 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:04.680 camp looking out, we got a thermal up on the ridge. 1423 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:11.039 We got Audie recorders going. Nothing showed up. So it's 1424 01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:13.920 you know, for whatever reason, I know, there's always been 1425 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.000 a lot of speculations to where they can sense electronics, 1426 01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:23.680 but both that time and later things that happened this week, 1427 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:26.880 it seems that they always found dead zones. If it 1428 01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:31.239 was the fast Watch walking through our camp, they seem 1429 01:27:31.319 --> 01:27:34.520 to find dead zones. There's either the luckiest things in 1430 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:36.680 the world or the smartest things in the world. One 1431 01:27:36.720 --> 01:27:36.960 of the. 1432 01:27:38.720 --> 01:27:41.960 Yeah, it's so weird. I don't even know. I don't 1433 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:47.399 want to even start speculating. I don't have an answer, right, 1434 01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:48.000 We've all. 1435 01:27:47.880 --> 01:27:51.119 Heard, you know, various theories and and obviously nobody knows. 1436 01:27:51.239 --> 01:27:56.920 But but you know, with all that went on, other 1437 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:59.960 than the Will's video that he's gonna you know post, 1438 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:06.640 they don't have anything on video everything that went on 1439 01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:11.880 both weeks, so it is kind of crazy. 1440 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:16.760 But that Tuesday evening we're cursed. We were just at 1441 01:28:16.800 --> 01:28:20.319 camp playing cards. We couldn't have a fire again and 1442 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.399 it was fire restricted, and all of a sudden, Will 1443 01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:25.039 comes down to our camp and the around nine o'clock 1444 01:28:25.199 --> 01:28:26.680 and he told us that he had just heard a 1445 01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:30.199 large tree break behind his tent near the creek, and 1446 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.640 then he had a real loud loop at that point. 1447 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.479 So we at that time decided we're gonna let's go 1448 01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:38.960 set up our thermals for the night. We were still 1449 01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:41.239 learning our thermals, not knowing how long they're gonna last, 1450 01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:43.479 so we decided we would set them up right before 1451 01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:47.399 we went to bed and they go all night. So 1452 01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:51.600 we had do that in two different areas, and we 1453 01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:54.079 were overlooking the whole meadow and one up on the 1454 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:57.520 ridge behind our camp with it. So while we're setting 1455 01:28:57.560 --> 01:28:59.039 up our thermals, all of a sudden, we hear a 1456 01:28:59.039 --> 01:29:02.720 loud knock from the previous area where were you know, 1457 01:29:02.760 --> 01:29:05.119 in two twenty four, we had left gifts, you know, 1458 01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:07.760 like apples and you know, peanut butter in that area. 1459 01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:11.119 But from that same direction as about one hundred yards 1460 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:14.479 you know, to the northeast of that area. So then 1461 01:29:14.520 --> 01:29:16.359 we decided to sit sit out in front of the 1462 01:29:16.359 --> 01:29:19.319 truck for a while and we just set out there quiet, 1463 01:29:19.359 --> 01:29:21.840 and we had a parabolic that I record on when 1464 01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:27.680 my recorders, and we ended up hearing four whoops from 1465 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:30.479 that same direction that we had heard knocks. And then 1466 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.760 all of a sudden we start getting these strange bart 1467 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:36.479 out calls and they're night they're trying to be bart 1468 01:29:36.520 --> 01:29:39.199 hours with or not, and they're calling back and forth, 1469 01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:42.399 and then all of a sudden we get these multiple 1470 01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:46.520 I can only describe as duck sounds in the same 1471 01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:49.720 direction as the first knock. And I'm going, what we 1472 01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:53.680 got ducks now in the middle of the forest, and 1473 01:29:53.880 --> 01:29:57.479 compariously started, yeah, they got we're hearing ducks sounds, probably 1474 01:29:57.479 --> 01:29:59.079 about six or seven and I think I sent you 1475 01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:02.079 that audio on there. I don't know how to describe it, 1476 01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:06.520 but it was like these duck ducks sounds or vocalizations 1477 01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:11.239 of something trying to mimic it. But we heard two 1478 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:14.600 different whistles, you know, at that time in the tree line. 1479 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.439 And then there was another loop down by the Creek. 1480 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.720 We heard another knock coming from the Gifting Side area, 1481 01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:23.439 and so that was a strange So I was glad 1482 01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:26.159 I got it on audio because I don't think, what 1483 01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:29.199 the heck are these We have ducks in the and 1484 01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:32.159 there's no water around like that, there's no pond for 1485 01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:34.800 these ducks to be out there. When I listened real 1486 01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:40.000 close to the audio, I'm hearing a mixture of bart 1487 01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:46.479 al calls, whoops, ducks, sounds all mixed together and going. 1488 01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:50.840 It's like half a party of birds out there in 1489 01:30:50.880 --> 01:30:52.159 the middle of the woods. 1490 01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.279 Do they seem to be pretty vocal in that area? 1491 01:30:57.680 --> 01:31:02.600 Yes, yes, Cornia we had no vocalizations that we know of, 1492 01:31:03.239 --> 01:31:06.640 and and in Washington we've we've had a ton of them. 1493 01:31:07.039 --> 01:31:09.960 And again some of them may be actual owls and 1494 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:16.680 maybe even ducks, but but a lot of vocalizations. Every 1495 01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:20.399 time we've been to Gypsy Meadows, we kind of sat around, 1496 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.840 I'm trying to truck for an hour or two to that, 1497 01:31:23.000 --> 01:31:23.920 all quiet. 1498 01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:27.640 And down, and then we went to bed and about 1499 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:31.760 five am, we we heard rain starting to fall, and 1500 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.119 we just bought these thermals. 1501 01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.319 So we just both got up, heard the rain, decided 1502 01:31:37.319 --> 01:31:41.880 to go get our thermals and had actually brought in 1503 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:46.319 our thermal. We heard an owl again kind of going 1504 01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:49.920 off down near that same gifting area where we heard 1505 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:54.720 everything the night before, and then a whoop came from 1506 01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:57.920 that area. And then, you know, just opposite where that 1507 01:31:58.000 --> 01:32:01.479 other campsite was that we were in June, we heard 1508 01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:08.199 a a whistle. So I got five in the morning. 1509 01:32:08.239 --> 01:32:10.880 We started sharing all these things and brought in all 1510 01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:14.119 our equipment, and eventually it quieted down and David went 1511 01:32:14.159 --> 01:32:16.960 back to bed, and I decided to go for a walk. 1512 01:32:17.039 --> 01:32:20.800 And you know, the sun up it was until five 1513 01:32:20.920 --> 01:32:23.560 fifty six, and so now that was probably five thirty 1514 01:32:23.600 --> 01:32:27.119 five thirty five, still pretty dark. You might see a 1515 01:32:27.159 --> 01:32:29.560 little bit alight, but it was pretty dark. And I 1516 01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:33.479 walked down by that bathroom area, and my plan was 1517 01:32:33.560 --> 01:32:36.760 just to walk the same loop I had done when 1518 01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:39.840 the thing kind of followed us out of the out 1519 01:32:39.920 --> 01:32:44.640 of the woods year before, and just you know, just 1520 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:47.279 to get a walk. I wasn't expecting anything to happen. 1521 01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.880 As I got to the main road, I looked to 1522 01:32:52.039 --> 01:32:56.600 my right down where Wheel's campground was, and I thought 1523 01:32:56.640 --> 01:32:58.920 I saw Will standing out the front of his camp 1524 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:03.720 and we later lasered this distance. It was eighty yards 1525 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:07.119 and you know, a little bit of twilight, but you 1526 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:12.680 couldn't tell colors. But I thought from about the abdomen 1527 01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:18.000 up standing behind a bush something lightly colored, and Will 1528 01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.760 has this light colored jacket, and I thought he had 1529 01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:23.560 been up and just you know, listening or our standing. 1530 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:27.640 So I waved, and I got it. Will didn't way back, 1531 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.720 and I didn't think anything of it. I know, had 1532 01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:33.479 an eighty yard waved see me, and I I was 1533 01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:35.840 going to make the group and be back there, and 1534 01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:40.439 maybe forty five seconds later when I came around, Will 1535 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:44.760 wasn't there, and nothing was there. I didn't spent probably 1536 01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:48.039 the next fifteen to twenty minutes looking all around, trying 1537 01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:51.000 to you know, see where game cameras were, see if 1538 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:55.439 they would have cost this. All three guys were in 1539 01:33:55.479 --> 01:34:00.920 their separate campgrounds, still in their beds, and the city 1540 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:05.880 wasn't there. And eventually I probably looked around and total 1541 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:09.000 for maybe about a half hour. Will eventually got up. 1542 01:34:09.039 --> 01:34:12.079 I asked him if you had had, you know, get 1543 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:16.039 up earlier, and sending in his company said no. But 1544 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:19.760 about an hour before that, he said something set off 1545 01:34:19.800 --> 01:34:22.079 his motion light and then he saw a shadow on 1546 01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:26.840 his tent. The shadow didn't come very high, and he 1547 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.399 thought maybe it had been there, so he didn't really, 1548 01:34:30.039 --> 01:34:33.279 you know, he didn't really exciting enough to get out 1549 01:34:33.279 --> 01:34:35.720 of bed. And and then you know, I saw what 1550 01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:39.039 I saw, and eventually, once it got light and everybody 1551 01:34:39.199 --> 01:34:42.760 was around, we recreated it. I went back to the 1552 01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.600 area at David stand behind the the bush that I 1553 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.600 had seen this thing from about mid apt and then 1554 01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:53.800 up and David is six' four AND i only saw 1555 01:34:53.920 --> 01:35:00.000 him from about. Armpits so we Had david kind of 1556 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.840 lift his arm to see about how HIGH i thought 1557 01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:06.720 the thing. Was and WHEN i thought earlier from eighty 1558 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.600 yards away in the, DARK i didn't really it didn't 1559 01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:14.399 really my brain didn't process how tall this thing. Was 1560 01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:17.399 When david started this in his, hand we figured it 1561 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:21.239 was probably somewhere between seven and eight feet. Tall we 1562 01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:26.319 then started looking around and we found a little trampled 1563 01:35:26.359 --> 01:35:31.680 area where it had probably. Stood and again it was 1564 01:35:31.720 --> 01:35:35.840 in a dead zone between all of our, cameras and 1565 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:40.039 to our, knowledge no one else was. Around everybody had 1566 01:35:40.079 --> 01:35:43.319 been asleep except. Me and the thing about the light, 1567 01:35:43.479 --> 01:35:47.800 color you remember back to twenty twenty, Four randy had 1568 01:35:47.840 --> 01:35:54.359 seen a tan colored, bigfoot so in my, mind my 1569 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:57.520 brain went to seeing this light color standing in front 1570 01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:01.920 Of wheel's camp got to Be. Will but you, KNOW 1571 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:03.399 i clearly love The. 1572 01:36:03.479 --> 01:36:12.800 Will that's. Crazy, yeah, yeah. 1573 01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:16.520 The things that had just, happened you, know happened THAT 1574 01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:19.840 i were either the luckiest guys in the world or. 1575 01:36:20.279 --> 01:36:24.199 Whatever but it's just it's just amazing the things that. 1576 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:30.199 Happened but it gets maybe not, better but other things happened. 1577 01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.960 Well that the one thing that carried him mentioned that 1578 01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:39.760 he had we figured out the hip because he had 1579 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:43.840 seen his branch with moss across it and that was 1580 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:46.239 how he was judging where the top of it was 1581 01:36:46.520 --> 01:36:49.439 in that in my hand was just barely reaching up 1582 01:36:49.439 --> 01:36:51.800 to that WHEN i put it above my, head you. 1583 01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:55.840 Know for. That but, afternoon all five of us we 1584 01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.039 went across the crete on hike and we'll found it 1585 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.359 twelve and a half inch print that he casted and 1586 01:37:02.439 --> 01:37:07.000 we scanned it and it definitely had toes on. There 1587 01:37:08.760 --> 01:37:10.960 and he has a video on his channel where he, 1588 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:13.720 shows you, know in casting that and then what it looked, 1589 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:16.359 like you know after. That but that was in the. 1590 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:19.600 Sand it was pretty easy to see the toes on 1591 01:37:19.640 --> 01:37:25.199 that on that. Print later, while we found out that 1592 01:37:25.199 --> 01:37:29.119 that lady her meadow with her two, dogs one had 1593 01:37:29.119 --> 01:37:32.239 been missing for a, while and apparently what had happened 1594 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.159 was when she had gone out on trail, rides she 1595 01:37:34.239 --> 01:37:36.279 came back and went down to the creek with their 1596 01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:39.600 dogs and her horses to water, them and there was 1597 01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:42.119 this she had a kind of a faraoh, dog and 1598 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:46.119 all of a sudden it got really scared and like 1599 01:37:46.199 --> 01:37:49.680 trembling and took off and it wouldn't come back to 1600 01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:52.960 the camp for a couple of. Days and we'd seen 1601 01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:54.479 it every once in a while out on the, road 1602 01:37:56.439 --> 01:37:58.760 but she had she couldn't get the dog to come 1603 01:37:58.800 --> 01:38:03.479 back to camp after she had been taken her them 1604 01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:06.359 down to that creek that we see everything coming. From 1605 01:38:07.439 --> 01:38:10.720 so that was one other interesting thing that happened with her. 1606 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:15.319 There the dogs would rather stay out outside in the 1607 01:38:15.439 --> 01:38:19.279 in the forest and go back near the. Creek we 1608 01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:22.479 don't know what. Its that was kind of. 1609 01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:25.399 Crazy, Yeah so we decided we're going to do a 1610 01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:31.600 night hike and we went up a gated off forest 1611 01:38:31.680 --> 01:38:35.960 road up to IS i guess there's a historic copper 1612 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:38.640 mine camp, there and we hiked. Up we found a 1613 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.399 couple of buildings. There it was interesting doing a night. 1614 01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:43.840 Hike we hadn't really done something like. That we did 1615 01:38:43.840 --> 01:38:47.680 something and With candy up a, road but this was 1616 01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:52.159 a little. Different but that that night we get at. 1617 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:54.600 Hamp we had some more knocks that were going off 1618 01:38:56.359 --> 01:39:00.199 while we're setting up our, thermals and then you will 1619 01:39:00.239 --> 01:39:02.000 hurt him as. Well but his camp was about a 1620 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:05.439 eighth of a mile. Away then he heard a screech 1621 01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:07.680 and but he thought that screech might have been a. 1622 01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:11.039 Cougar it was kind of a cougar sound that. Night 1623 01:39:13.000 --> 01:39:15.720 but the next day we're getting towards the, end and 1624 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.920 then we hike up to the. Back in twenty four 1625 01:39:18.960 --> 01:39:21.039 we found these sixteen and a half inch prints with 1626 01:39:21.159 --> 01:39:24.279 a you, know forty eight to fifty foot step. Length 1627 01:39:24.760 --> 01:39:26.159 AND i, said we got to go back up there 1628 01:39:26.159 --> 01:39:29.680 and look. Around so we go up there and this 1629 01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.520 time we find two fifteen and a half inch. PRINTS 1630 01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:36.000 i THINK i sent you the picture of one at 1631 01:39:36.000 --> 01:39:39.640 the wet in the heel. Area Then curtis measured those 1632 01:39:39.720 --> 01:39:45.119 out and the step LENGTH i think wasn't. That it 1633 01:39:45.239 --> 01:39:51.920 was it like Sixty, curtis, yeah which is, crazy like 1634 01:39:52.000 --> 01:39:56.199 sixty inches to the next to the next step in the. 1635 01:39:56.239 --> 01:39:59.800 Marsh so that was a huge step, length. 1636 01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:04.680 Sixty thanks zero and it really couldn't see couldn't see 1637 01:40:04.680 --> 01:40:07.880 where it had stepped in, between and it was all. 1638 01:40:08.000 --> 01:40:12.199 Marshy so if it had, stepped we think we would 1639 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.760 have seen. It, NOW i suppose it's, possible you, know 1640 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.319 pushed off and did more than just a step and 1641 01:40:18.359 --> 01:40:20.880 did a little bit of a, leap but that five 1642 01:40:20.920 --> 01:40:22.239 feet is a crazy. 1643 01:40:22.279 --> 01:40:29.119 Step, yeah, Yeah but the print didn't look like a you, 1644 01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:31.800 know try to read, prints you're going to see like 1645 01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.079 a disc or a you, know a dish or an 1646 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:36.520 explosion for, that and there was nothing like that in the. 1647 01:40:36.560 --> 01:40:39.239 Print the print was a normal step with, it you, 1648 01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:43.840 know just a you, know like a normal. Walking but 1649 01:40:43.880 --> 01:40:46.840 that was A i was, going are you serious at sixty? 1650 01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:52.439 Inches you, know but that was a huge step, length you, 1651 01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:54.600 know from. There AND i don't know from our experience 1652 01:40:54.600 --> 01:40:57.640 in twenty two In, california we know that the marsh, 1653 01:40:58.199 --> 01:41:04.079 absorbs you, know, footprints and so maybe one was absorbed, 1654 01:41:04.319 --> 01:41:06.319 AGAIN i DON'T i can't say that it. Didn't but 1655 01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:09.279 from the two that we saw there was sixty inches 1656 01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:10.560 you know from. 1657 01:41:10.600 --> 01:41:15.359 THERE i don't know the exact formula off the top 1658 01:41:15.399 --> 01:41:19.000 of my, head But i'm trying to rack my brain 1659 01:41:19.039 --> 01:41:22.680 to remember how that would equate to a possible heights 1660 01:41:22.680 --> 01:41:23.800 and it's getting up. 1661 01:41:23.800 --> 01:41:27.960 There, Well curtis to talk about, THAT. 1662 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:31.279 I DON'T i didn't look up, sixty but forty eight 1663 01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:34.399 inches is what we found the year. Before and you 1664 01:41:34.439 --> 01:41:37.279 know in orthopedics we have paid in The alfie then 1665 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.880 at forty eight, inches assuming it's just a normal walking 1666 01:41:40.920 --> 01:41:45.560 step and not a jump or running. Step assuming it's 1667 01:41:45.600 --> 01:41:49.359 a walking, step forty eight inches equates to nine feet six. 1668 01:41:49.439 --> 01:41:53.159 Inches, yeah, yeah sixty thinking it or. 1669 01:41:54.760 --> 01:41:57.720 Yeah for a? Human, right we don't have no, idea 1670 01:41:56.920 --> 01:42:01.960 and of course aren't any nine six inch tall, humans 1671 01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:04.640 but if it was a, human it would have quit 1672 01:42:05.159 --> 01:42:09.039 nineteen six inches havin a forty eight inch, Stride so. 1673 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:14.239 Yea our next to last morning Was saturday. MORNING i 1674 01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:18.920 woke up about five thirty AND i didn't know That 1675 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:23.279 david had experienced something the night, Before so why don't 1676 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:25.159 you tell them what you had, Experienced, david and Then 1677 01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:27.880 I'll i'll go along with WHAT I in the, MORNING. 1678 01:42:28.600 --> 01:42:33.680 I got woken, up you, know about two thirty in the, 1679 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:37.279 morning heard a couple of. WHISTLES i got, up you, 1680 01:42:37.319 --> 01:42:39.640 know looked around camp and you, know into the, bathroom 1681 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:41.960 and then went back to. Bed and WHILE i was 1682 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:45.439 getting back, settled all of a, sudden you, know about 1683 01:42:45.479 --> 01:42:50.359 twenty minutes, LATER i smell this bad sulfur. Smell it 1684 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.279 was to the right of my tent and it was 1685 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:55.800 only there for about three to four, seconds and then 1686 01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:59.680 it just, disappeared AND i was, going that was, nasty you. 1687 01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:03.000 Know then it was, gone AND i was, Going, okay 1688 01:43:03.000 --> 01:43:05.720 to something just come by AND i get a whiff of, 1689 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:09.600 it you, Know but, YEAH i. DIDN'T i didn't know 1690 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:11.239 where that came from or what it. Was but it 1691 01:43:11.319 --> 01:43:14.600 wasn't anything that. Lingered it was just in passing this 1692 01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:17.119 odor that was like right right by the right side 1693 01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:17.279 of my. 1694 01:43:17.359 --> 01:43:21.039 Tent AND i had slept through all of. THAT i 1695 01:43:21.079 --> 01:43:23.760 didn't know till AFTER i got, up but that had. 1696 01:43:23.760 --> 01:43:28.399 Occurred BUT i woke up about five, thirty and usually 1697 01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:31.319 WHAT i did WAS i got up. EARLY i went 1698 01:43:31.359 --> 01:43:34.159 and brought the thermalvie here running my little battery and 1699 01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:38.000 Sometimes i'd go change the batteries on our audio and 1700 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:43.000 So david's thermal that day was sort of out in 1701 01:43:43.039 --> 01:43:45.359 the middle of the, meadow looking down across the first 1702 01:43:45.359 --> 01:43:47.239 of the, meadow AND i went out and picked it 1703 01:43:47.319 --> 01:43:51.359 up and brought it back to under OUR auni and 1704 01:43:51.680 --> 01:43:54.600 instead of going to get my thermal up the, RIDGE 1705 01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:58.279 i DECIDED i wanted to brush my. Teeth BUT i 1706 01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:03.000 kind of walked down the gravel driveway into our, camp 1707 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:05.840 and then about halfway down the driveway OR i took 1708 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:09.479 her right towards WHERE i kept my toothpaste in the bare, 1709 01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:14.079 Box and right WHEN i got to the bare, BOX 1710 01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:18.560 i heard this spud and then a clack, clap and 1711 01:44:18.800 --> 01:44:22.199 clearly a rock had been thrown and land lay planted 1712 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:25.479 in the, dirt sort of maybe ten feet from, me 1713 01:44:26.039 --> 01:44:31.479 and then bounced into the gravel. Driveway SO i turned 1714 01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:36.840 around and kind of scanned it with my eyes the tree, 1715 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:39.520 line and THEN i had, said, well you know, What 1716 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.039 i'm gonna Get david's thermal THAT i just got back 1717 01:44:42.079 --> 01:44:44.239 in and turned on and kind of scanned the tree, 1718 01:44:44.279 --> 01:44:49.840 line AND i didn't find, anything BUT i set the 1719 01:44:49.840 --> 01:44:52.079 thermal up in, case you, know with. Hiding something was 1720 01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:55.840 hiding behind a. Tree AND i think here's WHERE i 1721 01:44:55.960 --> 01:45:00.239 learned both, in you, know thinking that that THING i 1722 01:45:00.399 --> 01:45:03.680 was will out there at five thirty in the, morning 1723 01:45:03.720 --> 01:45:06.399 and now with this mock, THROW i have to learn 1724 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:09.079 to think out of the. Box they can do things 1725 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:12.680 that humans can't. DO i pointed that thermal at the 1726 01:45:12.720 --> 01:45:16.840 closest place across the meadow that was maybe twenty five 1727 01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:21.359 or thirty yards, away figuring that that's, where you, know 1728 01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:24.479 something most likely was throwing something. At and THEN i 1729 01:45:24.560 --> 01:45:28.479 kind of sat down and kept an eye on the, 1730 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:31.560 area and then we HEARD i heard a knock up 1731 01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:36.159 ridge behind us and whistled down at the other end 1732 01:45:36.199 --> 01:45:41.239 of the, meadow but we never saw anything on. Thermal 1733 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:44.560 and short way after, That david eventually got up AND 1734 01:45:44.600 --> 01:45:46.399 i told him when it, happened and he told me 1735 01:45:46.439 --> 01:45:52.039 that just two all that. Smell and THEN i stayed 1736 01:45:52.039 --> 01:45:54.359 in camp And david walked out to the tree line 1737 01:45:54.399 --> 01:45:58.039 WHERE i thought that the rock could come, from and you, 1738 01:45:58.079 --> 01:46:00.720 KNOW i kind of videoed, him and pretty soon he 1739 01:46:00.880 --> 01:46:05.159 was lost in the trees AND i couldn't see him very, 1740 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:07.600 much and next THING i, knew he kind of came 1741 01:46:07.640 --> 01:46:10.239 out over by the trailhead where we had found THAT 1742 01:46:10.600 --> 01:46:11.000 x back. 1743 01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:16.920 Soon, yeah when first told me, that you, KNOW i 1744 01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:18.760 was kind OF i want to go see WHAT i can, 1745 01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:22.880 find you, know where to come, from kind of wondering, 1746 01:46:22.880 --> 01:46:25.680 about you, know the angle or the, things you, know 1747 01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:28.079 where the rock would come up in that. Area BUT 1748 01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:29.880 i go into the tree, LINE i follow the game 1749 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:34.960 trail down AND i come on out And i'm staying 1750 01:46:35.000 --> 01:46:37.319 there looking and starting and, say, okay where's This where 1751 01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:40.640 were this thing to? Throw AND i found this area 1752 01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:43.439 WHERE i, think you, know this open area behind this 1753 01:46:43.920 --> 01:46:47.199 tree that would be perfect for throwing and you could 1754 01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:49.239 just step out and make it throw and then just 1755 01:46:49.359 --> 01:46:51.520 kind of duck back in this. Area so THEN i 1756 01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:54.199 started looking a little closer in that, area AND i 1757 01:46:54.279 --> 01:46:57.760 find a fresh sixteen and a half inch by fifteen 1758 01:46:57.760 --> 01:47:00.600 and a half inch print there saying signs that we 1759 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:03.960 had before the primior, year and there's two of. Them 1760 01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.640 one was REALLY i could see really, clear but AS 1761 01:47:07.760 --> 01:47:11.039 i scanned, IT i THINK i sent you the scan on, 1762 01:47:11.119 --> 01:47:15.079 it BUT i could see where something had stepped on 1763 01:47:15.119 --> 01:47:18.239 a branch that had pulled up the pine cone the 1764 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:22.560 left side of the full straight ridge pressure releaset you 1765 01:47:22.640 --> 01:47:24.760 know in, there and you could DEFINITELY i could see 1766 01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:28.640 toes in. It and it was definitely it could it stepped. 1767 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:30.600 There it had a lot of pressure on. It and 1768 01:47:30.640 --> 01:47:33.439 then the second one was off to the, side AND 1769 01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:36.199 i think when it Saw curtis leave and go to 1770 01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:39.000 the bare, box which was not visible from that, angle 1771 01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:41.920 it went up to this open area where the tree was, 1772 01:47:41.960 --> 01:47:43.840 covered AND i think that's where it threw a. Rock 1773 01:47:44.439 --> 01:47:47.960 but it was like a fresh. Print but it was 1774 01:47:48.000 --> 01:47:50.199 a perfect, spot you, know for, Me i'm going to throw, 1775 01:47:50.239 --> 01:47:54.000 it and the angle was right to where it would 1776 01:47:54.079 --> 01:47:56.960 land on the dirt and then roll onto the you, 1777 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:01.720 know onto the drive the driveway where the, rocks. 1778 01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:04.920 And we went in and laser of that distance and 1779 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:07.119 here's WHERE i say we have to think out of the. 1780 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:11.039 Box it. Was it was fifty one yards and you 1781 01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.640 know the rock WAS i don't know which of the 1782 01:48:13.680 --> 01:48:17.000 ten thousand rocks in the in the gravel driveway that 1783 01:48:17.000 --> 01:48:19.920 the rock, was Or i'd have a souvenir as, well 1784 01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:25.279 but you, know you can't a human just can't throw 1785 01:48:25.319 --> 01:48:28.439 a rock that size fifty one. Yards in, Fact david 1786 01:48:28.479 --> 01:48:30.800 AND i we have a video of us trying to 1787 01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.760 throw a rock and we both probably threw it about 1788 01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:36.359 thirty five yards just because you, know the rock doesn't 1789 01:48:36.399 --> 01:48:38.840 have that much. Weight it's not like throwing a baseball 1790 01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:42.960 or anything like. That it's bigger and more, weight you. 1791 01:48:43.000 --> 01:48:47.760 Know and that's why when WHEN i heard the sud you, 1792 01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:50.000 Know i'm just thinking in terms THAT i, know not 1793 01:48:50.760 --> 01:48:53.439 not WHAT i don't. Know AND i looked at the closest. 1794 01:48:53.439 --> 01:48:56.800 PLACE i WISH i had scanned the whole tree. Line 1795 01:48:57.199 --> 01:48:59.760 who knows IF i would have seen the thing looking 1796 01:48:59.800 --> 01:49:02.840 at us through this through that, Area but that was 1797 01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:07.680 the exact area that that excellence found In. June, so, 1798 01:49:08.600 --> 01:49:13.079 uh you, know getting back to, that was it seems 1799 01:49:13.119 --> 01:49:17.319 like they were always watching. US i, agree both In 1800 01:49:17.439 --> 01:49:21.079 june then In. August something always seemed to be watching. This. 1801 01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:25.520 Yeah SO i, THINK i, say you our video of 1802 01:49:25.560 --> 01:49:26.880 when we were trying to document. 1803 01:49:27.000 --> 01:49:34.439 That, yeah when you're nine feet tall and you've got you, 1804 01:49:34.439 --> 01:49:43.079 know a sixty, destride you've got a different, perspective different vantage, 1805 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:46.439 points different throwing, angles all sorts of. 1806 01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:49.720 Things. Yeah but, yeah one of my you, KNOW i started, 1807 01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:52.800 Thinking i've been thinking about, that and you, know with my, 1808 01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:56.520 interest with my interest in you, Know Native american, sign 1809 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:01.680 WHAT i realized is That curtis actually communicated with The 1810 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:04.880 sasquatch when he waved at. It you, know The sasquatch 1811 01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:08.760 didn't know That curtis didn't recognize, it but he knew 1812 01:50:08.760 --> 01:50:10.920 That curtis had seen it when he waved at. It 1813 01:50:11.079 --> 01:50:15.680 and But curtis kept walking away in different, directions and it, 1814 01:50:15.720 --> 01:50:17.920 was you, know after the rock. Throw i'm wondering if, 1815 01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:21.479 that you, know he wasn't throwing to hit. Him he'd 1816 01:50:21.640 --> 01:50:26.039 he threw it When curtis had gone out of, sight you, 1817 01:50:26.079 --> 01:50:28.119 know over the bare. Box But i'm wondering if there 1818 01:50:28.199 --> 01:50:31.960 was some communication or make contact or. Something i'm not 1819 01:50:31.960 --> 01:50:36.079 sure what, happened but maybe the same thing happened when 1820 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:39.640 they threw a rock by my. HAMMOCK i did go 1821 01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:41.680 WHEN i went into the, woods you, know looking for that. 1822 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:45.840 AREA i did try to do Some native sign into the. 1823 01:50:45.880 --> 01:50:51.119 Woods you, know, hey we're you, know we're, good good. 1824 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:56.880 People we're you, know we speak the. Truth you, know you, 1825 01:50:56.960 --> 01:50:59.960 know come counsel with, us you, know you know they 1826 01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:04.760 things like. That no one, came but you, know that's 1827 01:51:04.760 --> 01:51:07.279 WHAT i was trying to do at that. Time you, 1828 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:10.720 know that, night at three o'clock or my motion lights went, 1829 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:13.880 off and we had Decided, Okay i'm going to go 1830 01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:17.640 put my thermal in the trees on a large game, 1831 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:23.800 trail and right from that area where bacambrew, was all 1832 01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:28.239 of a, SUDDEN i got. This something just went off 1833 01:51:28.279 --> 01:51:30.960 and it was like angry bart. Owls you, know if 1834 01:51:31.000 --> 01:51:34.479 you put anger into there this. Footing it was angry 1835 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.960 and it just started shooting and you, know and took 1836 01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:41.359 off and was moving and went towards our gifting area 1837 01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:44.399 and it went on for it looked like it kept 1838 01:51:44.439 --> 01:51:46.359 going all the way to the game here and did him, 1839 01:51:46.359 --> 01:51:50.279 back curled back across the. Creek it went on for 1840 01:51:50.279 --> 01:51:53.520 about fifteen, minutes just and it was angry. Sounds you, 1841 01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:56.479 know it was, weird AND i think it might have 1842 01:51:56.600 --> 01:52:00.000 walked into and found my, game my thermal and got 1843 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:04.560 mad and then took off and went that whole big 1844 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:07.520 circle for about fifteen, minutes just going off with this 1845 01:52:07.920 --> 01:52:11.319 angry voice and angry sound in that same direction that 1846 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:14.720 we had heard the quote ducks or whatever you know 1847 01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:18.399 in that and so something happened to something got angry at. 1848 01:52:18.399 --> 01:52:23.479 That all of this is just kind of very reminiscent 1849 01:52:23.600 --> 01:52:27.880 of other locations That i've experienced and heard about in the. 1850 01:52:27.920 --> 01:52:31.359 Past usually in a very similar setup as what you 1851 01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:33.600 guys are talking, about these type of campground. 1852 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:38.119 Areas, yeah and this is the most remote campground in the, 1853 01:52:38.239 --> 01:52:41.600 area the class one before you get to the. Wilderness 1854 01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:46.359 so so you, know literally across the creek is The 1855 01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:50.479 Salmo Priests. Wilderness and as will As david said, Earlier 1856 01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:55.640 will so it has a hypothesis based on where he's encountered, 1857 01:52:56.000 --> 01:52:58.039 things you, know a mile and a half down the 1858 01:52:58.119 --> 01:53:00.960 road or two miles down the road that up up 1859 01:53:01.000 --> 01:53:04.680 in that. Hill they may be staying in caves or 1860 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:08.760 old mines or something like. That obviously nobody, knows but 1861 01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:13.800 just across the creek from the last campground on the 1862 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:19.279 roads the sound Of priest builders so very. 1863 01:53:19.319 --> 01:53:23.840 Interesting at least you mentioned that road where you guys 1864 01:53:23.880 --> 01:53:25.840 went and checked out that historic site that was old 1865 01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:26.920 copper mines with some. 1866 01:53:27.079 --> 01:53:31.119 Buildings, yeah it was down By camp. Sixteen it was 1867 01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:35.359 further down for just A Sullivan lake. 1868 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.920 Area is that a location where like a lot of 1869 01:53:38.920 --> 01:53:40.319 people go to look at it and. 1870 01:53:40.319 --> 01:53:45.560 STUFF i don't. Know it looked like there was some 1871 01:53:46.159 --> 01:53:50.439 information on a board there and, stuff but the road 1872 01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:52.479 itself was gated off at that. Time SO i don't 1873 01:53:52.479 --> 01:53:54.039 know if they opened up a certain times of the 1874 01:53:54.119 --> 01:53:58.439 year and people go up, There but at that time 1875 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:00.840 we just parked at the gate and walked all the way. 1876 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:04.399 In did you notice any trash cans up? There? NO i. 1877 01:54:04.479 --> 01:54:06.600 Didn't, NO i didn't need. 1878 01:54:06.640 --> 01:54:11.600 It usually they have trash cans if there's a lot 1879 01:54:11.640 --> 01:54:12.960 of people that travel to the. 1880 01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:16.520 Area Like david, said they kind of had an information, 1881 01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:20.439 sign and then when you got closer to the buildings and, 1882 01:54:20.560 --> 01:54:24.439 said there was kind of a warning these are historical, 1883 01:54:24.479 --> 01:54:28.880 buildings please Don't, yeah The Jase memmer and stuff like. 1884 01:54:28.960 --> 01:54:30.880 That but, NO i don't remember any trash. 1885 01:54:30.920 --> 01:54:36.199 Cans how far is that location from the uh the 1886 01:54:36.640 --> 01:54:39.239 rain collection station you were talking. 1887 01:54:39.039 --> 01:54:45.960 About, well the ring collection was only about thirty thirty 1888 01:54:46.039 --> 01:54:49.560 yards up on the ridge from our. Camped the copper 1889 01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:52.880 mine trail that we went up was about a mile 1890 01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:56.800 and a half two miles Down Persulting. Lake i'm just 1891 01:54:56.920 --> 01:54:59.159 thinking about the thumping. 1892 01:54:59.279 --> 01:55:04.399 Sound oh, yeah, HEY i guess it could be a 1893 01:55:04.439 --> 01:55:07.479 bit loud, enough you, know sound carried at, night so. 1894 01:55:08.479 --> 01:55:11.600 Uh you, know, yeah that would be a long way's. Way, 1895 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:16.880 yeah The will recorded the same sound from his. Camp 1896 01:55:17.840 --> 01:55:20.000 he put on one of his. VIDEOS i just heard 1897 01:55:20.039 --> 01:55:23.720 it today and mine was. Louder SO i think the 1898 01:55:23.840 --> 01:55:28.479 direction of where it's coming from was further to the 1899 01:55:28.560 --> 01:55:33.600 northeast from our. Camp Because will's was, soft was was 1900 01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:37.000 quieter than, mine and he picked up the scene found 1901 01:55:37.079 --> 01:55:37.239 on his. 1902 01:55:37.399 --> 01:55:42.479 Canel it just sounds, like, uh for sure that THAT. 1903 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:46.520 I, mean this is all. Speculation. 1904 01:55:48.359 --> 01:55:53.239 Disclaimer this part will probably be edited, out But i'm 1905 01:55:53.319 --> 01:55:56.920 going to say that the Tan one is a century 1906 01:55:57.279 --> 01:56:02.600 that watches that campsite, area and you guys are encountering 1907 01:56:02.720 --> 01:56:05.520 it every, year AND i think that others moved through 1908 01:56:05.600 --> 01:56:08.319 that area and that's why that sentry is there. 1909 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:14.119 Well and the moving, through you, know makes sense with 1910 01:56:14.319 --> 01:56:17.600 What david had heard with The Sarah towns the year. 1911 01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:21.600 Before something had moved through the camp and he heard 1912 01:56:21.680 --> 01:56:23.920 at LEAST i think you, said at least three different. 1913 01:56:24.359 --> 01:56:29.359 Individuals is that, Right? David, yeah so, yeah it very. 1914 01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:33.039 Well maybe maybe a trackway for, them that's very. 1915 01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:40.279 Possible if there was some way for you guys to 1916 01:56:40.439 --> 01:56:46.039 go into that area and try to race to that 1917 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:49.520 spot where you found those pine bows on that overlook 1918 01:56:50.720 --> 01:56:53.319 and try to beat it to that, spot you might see. 1919 01:56:53.359 --> 01:57:00.119 One, yeah here's the thing it probably took. Us this 1920 01:57:00.479 --> 01:57:03.039 thing was at about a forty or fifty degree. Angle 1921 01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:07.479 it probably took us twenty minutes to get up to that. Time, now, 1922 01:57:08.239 --> 01:57:11.600 yeah and you, know obviously they're more athletics than we. 1923 01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:15.960 Are twenty, minutes they have enough warning to be, gone you, 1924 01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:20.199 Know i'm sure if they. Were if one was sitting, 1925 01:57:20.239 --> 01:57:23.960 there it saw coming from almost literally a mile, away you, 1926 01:57:24.039 --> 01:57:26.560 know in the AS i said, that you could see 1927 01:57:26.600 --> 01:57:30.199 a portion of the, meadow of the portion in the, 1928 01:57:30.239 --> 01:57:32.840 meadow and that's Where david AND i were, camped And 1929 01:57:33.000 --> 01:57:35.399 will came and got us as. Possible it even Saw 1930 01:57:36.039 --> 01:57:40.079 will come get us and then pretty sener hurt us 1931 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:43.680 kind of stopping up the, hill and it could have 1932 01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:46.159 been five miles away by the time we got up. 1933 01:57:46.199 --> 01:57:51.000 There, well like how you guys were earlier talking, about you, 1934 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:59.520 know your original trip to The Gifford pinchot and hearing 1935 01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:03.920 the out and the similarities with the owl stuff going, 1936 01:58:03.960 --> 01:58:09.039 on the same exact thing goes on here In oklahoma 1937 01:58:09.600 --> 01:58:13.680 and other parts of the Southern United, States, Texas, Mississippi 1938 01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:21.960 alabama for, Sure, Tennessee arkansas also with Bart, Owl's so 1939 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:28.439 there's definitely something going on it's not just. COINCIDENCE i 1940 01:58:28.520 --> 01:58:31.960 don't know what it. IS i don't know what it, 1941 01:58:32.199 --> 01:58:34.840 is but there's there's something with the. Owls AND i 1942 01:58:34.880 --> 01:58:38.520 will say that in a particular location In, oklahoma we 1943 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:46.079 definitely thought that they were in this particular campground that 1944 01:58:46.239 --> 01:58:51.039 they were following the raccoons in at. Night the raccoons 1945 01:58:51.039 --> 01:58:53.720 would come in and like you, know raid campsites and 1946 01:58:53.800 --> 01:58:58.560 trash cans and, stuff and, right there were a few 1947 01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:02.239 times where it seemed like activity kind of followed the 1948 01:59:02.359 --> 01:59:06.239 raccoons into the. Campsites which the idea that something that 1949 01:59:06.600 --> 01:59:11.199 large would use such small animals to try and conceal 1950 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:15.800 itself or mask its location seems kind of. Ridiculous BUT 1951 01:59:16.960 --> 01:59:19.239 i don't, know just little THINGS i take mental note 1952 01:59:19.279 --> 01:59:19.920 of over the. 1953 01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:26.279 Years, well it's definitely been our experience the three times 1954 01:59:26.359 --> 01:59:28.359 we've been to Just metal vand like you, said the one, 1955 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:32.039 time WHICH i think is like two hundred and fifty 1956 01:59:32.079 --> 01:59:36.479 miles away give it, takes so, YEAH i mean we've 1957 01:59:37.239 --> 01:59:43.199 we've heard weird noises and activity too that all followed 1958 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:47.800 what sounded like bar owls or even weird bartels or 1959 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:54.520 Weird so we've definitely our limited experience found that. 1960 01:59:54.680 --> 01:59:58.399 Too so do you guys got plans to return or 1961 01:59:58.680 --> 02:00:08.239 is Is will going to be doing ongoing? RESEARCH i hope, so, well, yeah. 1962 02:00:08.159 --> 02:00:10.439 We'll we'll only leave about an hour and a half, 1963 02:00:10.479 --> 02:00:13.960 away so he he periodically goes all. Over he has 1964 02:00:14.079 --> 02:00:16.640 multiple spots that he goes, to so it's not just 1965 02:00:16.840 --> 02:00:19.760 Up Sulivan creek And i'm sure he'll be up. There, 1966 02:00:20.279 --> 02:00:24.359 Yeah david AND i we were talking about. That we 1967 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:29.960 we had so much activity at at The Sulivan creek 1968 02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:32.239 area that it's hard not to go back To Gypsy. 1969 02:00:32.319 --> 02:00:36.960 Meadows interestingly, enough the night that, YOU i And david 1970 02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:40.680 were all what was a good night to do this? 1971 02:00:40.880 --> 02:00:46.000 Interview we finally pinned down a day and. Time two hours, 1972 02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:51.479 later the guy who was on Your Stupham valley podcast 1973 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:55.720 number one fifty one texted me and he, said, hey 1974 02:00:55.960 --> 02:00:59.720 what are you And david doing in the. Springtime we're 1975 02:00:59.760 --> 02:01:03.520 going to get a few guys together to go here 1976 02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:08.199 a Good gifford and do some. Expressions so we might 1977 02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:09.319 join that trip as. 1978 02:01:09.359 --> 02:01:14.800 WELL i Think david might have to find a place. 1979 02:01:14.960 --> 02:01:20.720 CLOSER i don't know If candy is going to wait 1980 02:01:21.000 --> 02:01:27.359 a year to go back to places, Well i'll tell, 1981 02:01:27.439 --> 02:01:27.960 you you. 1982 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:28.319 Know you. 1983 02:01:30.319 --> 02:01:31.760 Know that's. 1984 02:01:32.000 --> 02:01:37.399 Last, Well david's even taking about along third, doorway aren't. 1985 02:01:37.199 --> 02:01:45.359 You david going? Where? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so my my 1986 02:01:45.520 --> 02:01:48.279 Son cody is a total skeptic and thinks that we're 1987 02:01:49.399 --> 02:01:52.079 what you, know whack whack doctors out in the. Woods 1988 02:01:52.199 --> 02:01:57.199 but he wants us to come out Of South carolina 1989 02:01:57.760 --> 02:01:59.800 and take him out so he can hear these sounds 1990 02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:03.640 and we keep saying or hearing and there's a lot 1991 02:02:03.720 --> 02:02:05.760 of the movie research about. 1992 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:06.119 That In. 1993 02:02:06.319 --> 02:02:10.239 Georgia they're having a lot of settings out in That 1994 02:02:10.399 --> 02:02:20.479 North Georgia tennessee area we're thinking, of we're thinking of 1995 02:02:20.560 --> 02:02:22.000 that area for a trip With. 1996 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:28.159 Cody, well, Well cody doesn't. Understand we've been extremely. Fortunate 1997 02:02:28.840 --> 02:02:32.039 most people don't go out four times and have something 1998 02:02:32.119 --> 02:02:35.520 happened every single, time and probably the next twenty times 1999 02:02:35.600 --> 02:02:39.159 we go somewhere we didn't have things. Happened but you, 2000 02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:43.720 know he PARTLY i think he think that he thinks 2001 02:02:43.760 --> 02:02:46.000 we're crazy is just because all this stuff that has. 2002 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:50.399 Happened but you, KNOW i don't know how fine of 2003 02:02:50.439 --> 02:02:55.720 the things that we've we've we've, seen we've, heard we've, 2004 02:02:55.760 --> 02:03:02.439 smelled we've got thrown at. Us you, know we've been in. 2005 02:03:02.640 --> 02:03:07.159 Touched we've been extremely fortunate to our four trips to 2006 02:03:07.279 --> 02:03:09.199 have crazy things happen every single. 2007 02:03:09.279 --> 02:03:14.199 TIME i had been contacted by a local couple of 2008 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:17.279 hunters and they want to get together with me and 2009 02:03:17.359 --> 02:03:20.119 tell me their. Story but they have errogat these, days really. 2010 02:03:20.199 --> 02:03:23.319 Active it's closer to, years so your answer TO i 2011 02:03:23.399 --> 02:03:27.960 find something closer might might come into effect. Too, well 2012 02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:30.880 once you get, hooked it's it's hard to get. 2013 02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:33.359 On, yeah it. 2014 02:03:33.520 --> 02:03:36.960 Is Luckily curtis is retired and he has all the 2015 02:03:37.039 --> 02:03:39.239 time to go and do all this research on. YouTube 2016 02:03:42.720 --> 02:03:46.760 i'm still. Working but aren't you In? ARIZONA i, am. 2017 02:03:46.960 --> 02:03:51.239 SO i usually fly To. Sacramento david drives and two 2018 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:54.960 hours To, sacramento and then we drive forty more hours 2019 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:57.680 To Gypsy. Metal so it's a sixteen hour drive For 2020 02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:01.680 david and a fourteen hour drive in a two hour 2021 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:05.880 plane trip for. Me, yeah it's a little hard to get. 2022 02:04:05.920 --> 02:04:08.399 There it's a little way to get, there but every 2023 02:04:08.439 --> 02:04:09.359 time it's been worth. 2024 02:04:09.359 --> 02:04:13.000 It well they are In. 2025 02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:21.520 Arizona, Yeah, Yeah i've Had i've had a few people 2026 02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:26.039 on the show From arizona and Especially New, mexico The 2027 02:04:26.119 --> 02:04:30.439 Four corners. Region there's lots of activity around. There these 2028 02:04:30.520 --> 02:04:35.239 things just seem to be pretty much, everywhere, yep which 2029 02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:41.239 also adds to the. Strangeness, yes it does, well. GUYS 2030 02:04:41.319 --> 02:04:44.159 i appreciate you coming On, candy thanks for joining them 2031 02:04:44.239 --> 02:04:48.720 and sharing your. Experiences i've enjoyed hearing about. It and, uh, 2032 02:04:49.119 --> 02:04:51.520 yeah you guys need to keep me in the. 2033 02:04:51.640 --> 02:04:55.960 Loop you know you started the. 2034 02:04:56.039 --> 02:04:57.479 STORY i want TO i want to hear how it. 2035 02:04:57.560 --> 02:05:01.840 Finishes, yeah definitely an ongoing rabbit. 2036 02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:06.760 Hole if you've had your own experience With bigfoot or 2037 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:08.600 something you can't explain and you'd like to share your 2038 02:05:08.640 --> 02:05:11.600 story on the, podcast email me At Bigfoot crossroads at 2039 02:05:11.640 --> 02:05:14.840 gmail dot. 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