Speaker 1: And it was just starting to get light outside.
Speaker 2: And I was laying there on my laying on my.
Speaker 1: Right side, and I was.
Speaker 2: Looking at David.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I just had something pushed right in,
Speaker 1: touched my left side and just kind of pushed came.
Speaker 2: Right back out.
Speaker 1: I immediately started shaking David and telling him, you know, David, David,
Speaker 1: you know, something just touched me.
Speaker 2: Something just touched me.
Speaker 1: It was not the nose of an animal. I have
Speaker 1: a pretty good sized hand for a female, and I
Speaker 1: would say it felt flat and about the same side
Speaker 1: as my hand.
Speaker 3: If you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads, you may remember episode
Speaker 3: one thirty seven, I think it was called Sasquatch Meadow,
Speaker 3: where I talked to a couple of lifelong friends, Curtis
Speaker 3: and David, about some of their experiences revolving around their
Speaker 3: interest in Bigfoot. Well, they're back, and David's brought along
Speaker 3: his wife Candy to share some of their experiences from
Speaker 3: this past year and to find out what has happened
Speaker 3: in almost exactly a year. It's crazy, guys, welcome back.
Speaker 3: You've had quite a year in between shows. I feel
Speaker 3: like it's just a couple of bookends to your life
Speaker 3: from my perspective, but you guys have had a lot going.
Speaker 4: On, yeah, we have. Thanks for having us again, Matt.
Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, thanks Matt. It's been it definitely has
Speaker 5: been an interesting year.
Speaker 3: So let's rewind back to one specific thing that I
Speaker 3: think kind of stands out in my mind. You guys
Speaker 3: talked about a guy named Will Olmer, and you had
Speaker 3: reached out to him but hadn't heard anything back, and
Speaker 3: you're really hoping he would respond and everything, And now
Speaker 3: you guys have gone out into the field with.
Speaker 4: Him, yeah, twice. So if you, I'm sure you remember
Speaker 4: that we were introduced to you through Jonathan Brown right
Speaker 4: after I had commented on one of his videos in
Speaker 4: Sarah's videos that we had something similar to an occurrence
Speaker 4: that occurred in one of their videos. And after a
Speaker 4: couple of conversations, he reached out to us to eventually
Speaker 4: film a video in near Gypsy Meadows with he and Sarah,
Speaker 4: and then obviously he introduced us to you and we
Speaker 4: were on your As You Said podcast number one thirty seven,
Speaker 4: and in the meantime, he and Sarah contacted Will, and
Speaker 4: Will came in on the trip in June, and then
Speaker 4: as It turns out David and I were planning on
Speaker 4: going back in August, the last week of August, which
Speaker 4: we got back just a couple of weeks ago, and
Speaker 4: David invited Will on and he came. So we've now
Speaker 4: spent a couple of trips at Gypsy Meadows with Will.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm sure you guys discussed it, David, did your
Speaker 3: notes kind of line up with Will's notes on the areas?
Speaker 5: He had never been to Gypsy Meadows before that, he
Speaker 5: had wanted to always go there, and the other YouTuber
Speaker 5: went up there, Marshall White, he had wanted to go
Speaker 5: there also, so Will had invited him up to that
Speaker 5: trip in June. But he had he'd been in the
Speaker 5: in the campsites down below that going down to Sullivan
Speaker 5: Lake quite a bet, and they'd had quite a few,
Speaker 5: you know, videos and documentation from down that area. But
Speaker 5: in Gypsy Knows he hadn't been there before, but was
Speaker 5: excited to come there for that for that trip. There
Speaker 5: are definitely a lot of things that happened to him
Speaker 5: that he told us about, and it did, you know,
Speaker 5: a lot of go along with what we had, you know,
Speaker 5: we had found, you know, on our trips to These
Speaker 5: last two trips with him had been pretty good, you know, together,
Speaker 5: you know, being there and experiencing these some of these
Speaker 5: things together and it's been pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: Is it starting to pay in a picture of the
Speaker 3: activity in the area with you know his experien answer
Speaker 3: is that he's had down below there and now the
Speaker 3: stuff going on there. Are you starting to be able
Speaker 3: to kind of put in the missing pieces of how
Speaker 3: it's working there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he thinks it's coming from a you know, into
Speaker 5: the wilderness area. There's a mountain across the creek that
Speaker 5: goes up. He thinks are coming from there and they're
Speaker 5: crossing over and coming through that area. He says, this there,
Speaker 5: that area, Gypsy Meadows has been you know, as active
Speaker 5: or more active than almost every other area he's you know,
Speaker 5: he's been at. So he's been excited to come back there.
Speaker 3: Curtis, I wanted to ask you about the owls.
Speaker 4: The owls.
Speaker 3: There seems to be something pretty interesting happening at this
Speaker 3: location involving owls. Would you mind explaining kind of what's
Speaker 3: going on with that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So in twenty twenty four, at the exact same
Speaker 4: week that we went this last week in August, but
Speaker 4: both in twenty twenty four and the June trip and
Speaker 4: this last August trip, weird stuff seems to happen around
Speaker 4: owl calls, and you know, the barn owl is definitely
Speaker 4: around there, and you know, perhaps a lot, if not
Speaker 4: most of what we heard were bart owl calls. But
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty four, bart owl calls seem to
Speaker 4: sort of disintegrate after a minute or two and they
Speaker 4: turned into woops. So we've had a lot of time
Speaker 4: to think about it since then. Either, you know, our
Speaker 4: theories are one of three. Either at all bart owl's
Speaker 4: and we're completely mistaken, but that wouldn't explain the wops.
Speaker 4: And then, as you remember, David heard Sierra sounds associated
Speaker 4: with the bart owl calls as well, and that would
Speaker 4: not explain that. Our second theory is that sasquatch is
Speaker 4: mimicking the owls and then at some point starts other
Speaker 4: vocalizations that you know, kind of reach out to others
Speaker 4: across on different parts of the mountains around the meadow.
Speaker 6: And then the third one is that you know, maybe
Speaker 6: they're not mimicking, maybe they're just using the owls to
Speaker 6: try to mask their calls, and they wait for the
Speaker 6: owl to finish, and then then.
Speaker 4: They make loops and other calls. So you know, either
Speaker 4: if as long as we're not completely mistaken and they're
Speaker 4: not all owls, it does show some level of intelligence.
Speaker 4: Either they're mimicking owls or they're using the owls to
Speaker 4: sort of cover up their their own calls.
Speaker 3: So kind of walk us through your your first trip
Speaker 3: back to the meadow this year.
Speaker 5: It was really good, you know, Curtis, Like Curtis said,
Speaker 5: John Start wanted to film us, so we tried to
Speaker 5: coordinate with them, and we figured out probably the best
Speaker 5: time would have been in this this last spring. The
Speaker 5: snow that was up there was you know, pretty pick
Speaker 5: so we didn't get to go up until June, you know,
Speaker 5: this last back when we went back up there. But
Speaker 5: we went up there, you know, like Kers said, you know,
Speaker 5: Sarah and Jonathan invited you know, Will Homer. He was
Speaker 5: Grassman fifty eight you know on YouTube, and I guess
Speaker 5: the reason she said, you know, that was kind of
Speaker 5: his area of research, and he also had a lot
Speaker 5: of stories she wanted to interview him about also, so
Speaker 5: he was he was willing to do that, and that's
Speaker 5: when he invited Marshall, and we also met Marshall White
Speaker 5: and his YouTube channel was Bushcraft Explorer. And then another
Speaker 5: friend of his came up, Aaron West. So we all
Speaker 5: got together and we basically took over the whole meadow
Speaker 5: and all the campsites in that area. Will and Marshall
Speaker 5: showed up on Wednesday, and Sarah and Jonathan came in
Speaker 5: on Friday at that time. So we had such a
Speaker 5: long trip for us that we decided, you know, hey,
Speaker 5: let's go up earlier. You know, we're going to drive
Speaker 5: two thousand miles, so we might as well, you know,
Speaker 5: go up and maybe do something in Oregon before we
Speaker 5: go up. And so we decided to go up and
Speaker 5: maybe you know, head to Mount Hood or do something
Speaker 5: in that area. My wife Candy had an interest and
Speaker 5: big fly with my interest, you know, just everything I've
Speaker 5: been watching, and she wanted to go on the trip.
Speaker 5: And then with her coming, Curtis's wife, Terry, decided she
Speaker 5: would go too, but she couldn't you know, come until
Speaker 5: later in a week. So we scheduled her to fly
Speaker 5: and to Spokane and we picked her up. But I
Speaker 5: might let Candy describe, you know, how she got interested
Speaker 5: in that.
Speaker 1: I would say for me, it's been all the years
Speaker 1: for watching the bfro guys and other videos that David
Speaker 1: seems to like like to watch around here about so
Speaker 1: two or three hours a day, and so it kind
Speaker 1: of sparked my interest. I you know, you see a
Speaker 1: lot of them when you you listen to their stories,
Speaker 1: and sometimes you're just like, you know, that just sounds
Speaker 1: kind of hokey, and I'm not so sure, you know,
Speaker 1: I can believe in this. And you know, you have
Speaker 1: the hundred questions, you know, hock they've never caught one hock,
Speaker 1: they've never found one, the bones, you know, all the
Speaker 1: questions like that that seems everybody kind of tends to
Speaker 1: have when you start talking about Bigfoot to anybody. I
Speaker 1: love camping, so I really wanted to go. I wanted
Speaker 1: to see what all the hubub was and just get
Speaker 1: out and experience it with my own eyes and my
Speaker 1: own ears.
Speaker 4: As Kenny said and David said, we were traveling out
Speaker 4: that we decided to probably go around amount could. But
Speaker 4: on the way up, David and Jonathan were texting, and
Speaker 4: Jonathan had told us that Sarah had just been in
Speaker 4: a campground in the Gifford Tinshow National Forest on Wednesday
Speaker 4: and Thursday, and we were driving up on Saturday, and
Speaker 4: while she was there, she heard a number of vocalizations
Speaker 4: that Jonathan actually sent us a recording of that that
Speaker 4: we heard, and she the people who were there were
Speaker 4: sort of surrounded by things in the campground that were
Speaker 4: doing various vocalizations. So he gave us the name of
Speaker 4: the campground and we decided to kind of go there.
Speaker 4: To begin with, they weren't going to show up till Friday,
Speaker 4: and yll and Marcia weren't showing up till Wednesday, so
Speaker 4: we had from Sunday til Wednesday morning to kind of
Speaker 4: go there. And as it turns out, apparently Jonathan told
Speaker 4: us later that after Sarah had left and right before
Speaker 4: we actually got there, the camp host, his name is Michael,
Speaker 4: called Jonathan and said that with all the vocalizations that
Speaker 4: Sarah had heard, after she left the next night, he
Speaker 4: was sitting in his trailer and he started hearing monkey
Speaker 4: chatter right outside his trailer. So because of all of that,
Speaker 4: we decided to go to the campground first before we
Speaker 4: hit Jesse Meadows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so on the you know, on the way up,
Speaker 5: we're driving up there, we decided to stop by the
Speaker 5: North American Bigfoot you know museum that Cliff has up
Speaker 5: there in Portland, and that is pretty amazing because they
Speaker 5: have all the everything present, has done really well all
Speaker 5: the major the evidence and prints that we've all seen
Speaker 5: there there and so I mean, I suggest anyone who's interested,
Speaker 5: you know, go there and see. That's pretty good. But
Speaker 5: that first night camp and we met the camp host,
Speaker 5: you know, and he verified to us that yeah, he'd
Speaker 5: heard that monkey chatter back behind their camp and the
Speaker 5: latest was his wife had heard again that same type
Speaker 5: of clatter the night before we arrived while she was
Speaker 5: watching TV. So our first night we heard a vocalization
Speaker 5: at around twelve thirty and one in the morning, and
Speaker 5: they came from across the road. But they again were
Speaker 5: like bard owls. They would begin, then they would change
Speaker 5: and became a high pitched owl. We're screamed. So we
Speaker 5: got them a recorder and because Sarah had sent us
Speaker 5: the recording of what she had heard, we listened and
Speaker 5: started comparing it and it seemed to match one of
Speaker 5: her sounds, you know, almost exactly. So that was kind
Speaker 5: of interesting for us to see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and getting back to the bar owls. Just interestingly enough,
Speaker 4: where we were in different Pinchot for us is probably
Speaker 4: two hundred maybe three hundred miles from fifty Meadows, and
Speaker 4: yet in both places the bar owls into play a role.
Speaker 4: After that first night, the next morning we decided to
Speaker 4: go kind of exploring and we drove further off the
Speaker 4: road from the campground and we found a forest service
Speaker 4: road that we decided to take, and about a mile
Speaker 4: or an now and a half up the road, and
Speaker 4: we hadn't seen any cars or anything. This was a
Speaker 4: weekday and I don't even know if the schools were
Speaker 4: out yet, but there was sort of a cleared out
Speaker 4: area off to the right on the road, and it
Speaker 4: was probably about the size of a I don't know,
Speaker 4: a drug store parking lot. It looked like maybe a
Speaker 4: place where the Forest Service used to put an equipment
Speaker 4: or stage in case there was a fire. There was
Speaker 4: a huge cleared out area, and David pulled into it
Speaker 4: because on the side of the cleared out area there
Speaker 4: were some soccer dirt berms where all the dirt had
Speaker 4: been moved, and he wanted to look for prints, and
Speaker 4: so he kind of parked halfway into the cleared out area,
Speaker 4: we started locking. The first thing I noticed at the
Speaker 4: end of the cleared out area was an X structure. Now,
Speaker 4: you know, it may have been natural, it may not
Speaker 4: have been. But we got closer and right in the
Speaker 4: middle of the cleared out area, something or somebody had
Speaker 4: placed a log, because everything had been cleared out except
Speaker 4: you know, this one log. On top of the log,
Speaker 4: there were four rocks that were stacked on top of
Speaker 4: each other, and then on top of that was a
Speaker 4: branch that was balancing. And you know, I'm not saying
Speaker 4: this couldn't have been done by a person, but it
Speaker 4: was interesting. It was essentially right at the level where
Speaker 4: the X was. And then David started searching close to
Speaker 4: the X on the softer dirt. He ended up finding
Speaker 4: two fourteen inch prints with a fifty inch step length
Speaker 4: right there, and so we ended up scanning those with
Speaker 4: our scanner, and then David was going to cast them,
Speaker 4: so he went to get his casting staff, and while
Speaker 4: he was doing this up on the ridge above us,
Speaker 4: I started hearing and I couldn't tell what was being said,
Speaker 4: but it sounded like women talking back and forth. And
Speaker 4: this probably lasted for about thirty or forty sect and
Speaker 4: David heard it as well, and Candy may have heard
Speaker 4: it as well. And there were no roads going up
Speaker 4: to that ridge that we could tell or trails, and
Speaker 4: this was on a forest service road, so that was
Speaker 4: kind of interesting, well, being ready to hear lady chatter
Speaker 4: that we couldn't quite tell what was being said, so
Speaker 4: kind of almost I don't know if it was a
Speaker 4: foreign language or we just couldn't I couldn't hear it
Speaker 4: loud enough. But it was just a strange occurrence you
Speaker 4: all associated with this area where the print and the
Speaker 4: little structure in the middle of the cleared out area,
Speaker 4: and then obviously the X structure was close to it.
Speaker 3: Candy, what was your take on all this as it
Speaker 3: was happening, because, I mean, this is all new to you,
Speaker 3: and here's a couple of guys just oh, listen those
Speaker 3: owls and there's some sticks, So like, what were you
Speaker 3: thinking when there were all this was happening.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the logic is like, no, you know,
Speaker 1: a human had to do that.
Speaker 2: That just had to be a human. But then the more.
Speaker 1: You walk around and the more you see things, the
Speaker 1: hearing of the strange things that you just you just
Speaker 1: can't seem to well, I don't really know what that is.
Speaker 2: It sounds different. It's odd.
Speaker 1: We're out in the middle of nowhere. And so while
Speaker 1: David had found the two prints on the side of
Speaker 1: the hill and the Princes were actually coming down towards
Speaker 1: the little road that we had driven up on, I
Speaker 1: decided to walk straight across to the other side of
Speaker 1: the road and.
Speaker 2: I actually found two more prints.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And I had them come over and they measured them,
Speaker 1: looked at them, and they I believe they were the
Speaker 1: exact same link, correct, David, Yeah, they were.
Speaker 5: It was kind of resting that she was exciting for
Speaker 5: her to find. Now she's found something, you know, and
Speaker 5: that helps her in her journey, you know all that.
Speaker 5: So I went back and I was casting the best
Speaker 5: print I could find on the other side of where
Speaker 5: and she found them and I think I sent you
Speaker 5: a scan of that print, yeah, you know, for that
Speaker 5: and stuff. But that was kind of exciting for Candy
Speaker 5: to find that.
Speaker 1: So the answer to your question. Every it just seemed
Speaker 1: like almost every hour and then another hour, there would
Speaker 1: be something.
Speaker 2: That would be teasing me a little bit.
Speaker 1: More and a little bit more and a little bit more,
Speaker 1: and it just it actually made me where, Okay, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen next? I was looking forward to the
Speaker 1: next night, the next day. It would be coming very interesting.
Speaker 3: I have never heard anyone use that word before to
Speaker 3: describe it.
Speaker 5: Teasing.
Speaker 3: That is a very good word to describe it, because
Speaker 3: that's exactly how it happens. Just like you're saying, you
Speaker 3: just get these little teases that just keep you hooked.
Speaker 3: And I can't help but think, you know, for people
Speaker 3: out there who say that, you know, while I've been
Speaker 3: in the woods all my life and I've never heard
Speaker 3: or seen anything, and you know, these things couldn't be
Speaker 3: out there, I honestly think it's just like you were
Speaker 3: talking about. It's whenever you start paying attention to those
Speaker 3: things instead of just writing them off as oh, well,
Speaker 3: it was probably just a person. Yeah, you can just
Speaker 3: think that and go about your day and it is
Speaker 3: just a person. But if you really start thinking about
Speaker 3: it and start examining the location and thinking about it
Speaker 3: from a logical way, you start realizing like, well, now,
Speaker 3: hold on, it could have been a person, but it
Speaker 3: probably wasn't a person. Those fifty inch strides. Uh, you
Speaker 3: said the the footprints were fifty inches apart.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was. There are sixteen sixteen inches
Speaker 5: in length and five and you know, five inches wide
Speaker 5: and then with that, from the first step to the
Speaker 5: next step we measured out at fifty inches.
Speaker 3: And those are going downhill.
Speaker 4: Down the hill, so it's probably on flat ground, not
Speaker 4: quite as quite as far, but still it's pretty big.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. You know, it wasn't like a real
Speaker 5: steep angle, but I'd say, you know, probably about it,
Speaker 5: you know, half a foot elevation change from one one
Speaker 5: footprint to the.
Speaker 3: Other and coming from the direction of the wilderness towards
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this area was it was like a cleared out,
Speaker 5: a cleared out area in the middle of the forest.
Speaker 5: So there was like a mountain on you know, ridge
Speaker 5: on the side that was coming from and then the
Speaker 5: open area with the soft dirt and the road and
Speaker 5: then the softer side and then it went back into forest.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like a rectangle cleared out right
Speaker 5: in the middle of the forest. And so there was
Speaker 5: no other roads coming into that area. It was just
Speaker 5: like I go, hey, let's go check that area out.
Speaker 3: You know, was there any signs of like vehicles or
Speaker 3: anything out there that you guys could.
Speaker 5: Tell that area was. There were signs of vehicles that people,
Speaker 5: you know, the trucks had been driving up and down
Speaker 5: when they harbor seen the wood from there that it was,
Speaker 5: you know, all old stuff, and there was nothing above
Speaker 5: it for anyone to go. You know, it was just
Speaker 5: up the side of the side of the hill.
Speaker 4: And just to kind of kind of put the area
Speaker 4: in perspective, I'm sure most people have heard the story
Speaker 4: of the two big footers who passed away on Christmas Eve,
Speaker 4: and this was essentially the exact same area. It was
Speaker 4: essentially just across the road and maybe a mile from
Speaker 4: where those two guys passed way this last Christmas. So
Speaker 4: it's a known active spot in the area.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can make note of that. That's not giving
Speaker 3: too much information away. I don't think they ever released
Speaker 3: the exact location, details of where they found their bodies
Speaker 3: or anything, but that area was known to bigfooters already
Speaker 3: as an active area and has had activity since then
Speaker 3: obviously with just what you guys are here talking about
Speaker 3: it right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, some of the locals we had talked
Speaker 4: to a couple of BFR people when we were up
Speaker 4: there and they had done some They were having a
Speaker 4: camp camp out the next weekend that they were up there,
Speaker 4: kind of prepping for that, and Jonathan got us to
Speaker 4: talking to them. He told us that they'd be up
Speaker 4: there and they had done some research talking to locals.
Speaker 4: In fact, one of the locals I think was on
Speaker 4: your podcast one fifty one and they called the area
Speaker 4: Scupham Valley and supermunt and uh, you know, the locals
Speaker 4: told the b f R O there are a number
Speaker 4: of Sasquatch in the area, and most of them are
Speaker 4: pretty docile, but one of them, one of the males,
Speaker 4: is known as an Honery Sabsquatch, and he often tried
Speaker 4: to you know, throw rocks at tents and tried to
Speaker 4: bluff charge and get people to leave the area. So
Speaker 4: whether that had anything to do with the the two
Speaker 4: unfortunate guys or not, you know, nobody knows. But it
Speaker 4: is just kind of interesting that the locals say there
Speaker 4: is a mean sasquatch in the area.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think I had heard the same thing, something about
Speaker 3: a certain area not to go into for sure near
Speaker 3: there at a certain either at night or a certain
Speaker 3: time of year or something like that, which you, you
Speaker 3: find that fairly often actually these areas where they're known
Speaker 3: to be. It seems like sometimes there's two different groups
Speaker 3: or two different types of behavior going on in the
Speaker 3: same area whenever you talk to locals, if you get
Speaker 3: access to locals with that sort of information. But again,
Speaker 3: like you said, I don't want to imply anything. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that Bigfoot had anything to do with the
Speaker 3: tragedy of those two guys losing their lives or anything.
Speaker 3: It just all seems kind of odd. And then whenever
Speaker 3: you take into consideration the stories from the area, it's
Speaker 3: worth noting always be careful whenever you're out there poking
Speaker 3: around messing.
Speaker 5: With these things. Yeah, definitely with that that well, the
Speaker 5: other thing that we found, you know, you get that
Speaker 5: a little bit. With the well, my cast I was
Speaker 5: casting that let it harden. We went up further on
Speaker 5: the road and I found a structure on the right
Speaker 5: and I think I sent you a picture of that,
Speaker 5: And what I was caught my eye was that all
Speaker 5: the big branch, the big part of the branches, were
Speaker 5: up and the smalls down. And I go over there
Speaker 5: and look and they're like jammed in the ground, leaning
Speaker 5: against his tree, and I find another you know, a
Speaker 5: game trouble on right around and making a right hand
Speaker 5: turn at this structure, and I follow that down the
Speaker 5: road and there was another X structure across the road
Speaker 5: from that. So it seemed like these things are like signs,
Speaker 5: you know, as markers for these guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really weird. You seem to find them just
Speaker 3: by coincidence in areas that have bigfoot activity reported.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. But so we we had gone down this
Speaker 5: road where, you know, a local had told us where
Speaker 5: that activity had happened at Christmas even. We went down
Speaker 5: that road and Curtis was walking ahead of us about
Speaker 5: one hundred yards, but then Candy hadn't experienced there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were walking through.
Speaker 1: Oh it was I would say maybe we were maybe
Speaker 1: one hundred hundred feet one hundred fifty feet maybe from
Speaker 1: the road. And Curtis had told me, hey, Candy, do
Speaker 1: a whistle. So I said, all right, So I whistled,
Speaker 1: and within a matter of maybe three seconds, we got
Speaker 1: a response. So I did it again, same response. So
Speaker 1: then they're like, okay, do it one more time. So
Speaker 1: I did it for a third time, got another response
Speaker 1: and it copied my whistle.
Speaker 2: I didn't just whistle back, I whistled. I did like.
Speaker 1: And I did it three times and each time it
Speaker 1: whistled exactly the.
Speaker 2: Same back at us. Wow, that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 5: I mean, what does that?
Speaker 7: I was like, this is someone who's one of their
Speaker 7: pet paris or something out there, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 7: but it was definitely mimicking me.
Speaker 4: And just to put that in perspective, we've we had
Speaker 4: driven back on another side road when that happened, and
Speaker 4: we were probably a mile and a half to two
Speaker 4: miles in and we never passed another person. Like I said,
Speaker 4: this was the first week of June. I'm not sure
Speaker 4: many people were out camping, so could have been a person,
Speaker 4: I suppose, But as I said, we never saw anybody,
Speaker 4: and if it was a person, they were wandering through
Speaker 4: the wilderness.
Speaker 8: So, I mean, people don't want that, right exactly, if
Speaker 8: I'm out in the woods and I hear somebody whistling,
Speaker 8: I'm not copying their whistle and doing it back at though.
Speaker 4: Right exactly exactly the day I found something interesting as
Speaker 4: we were driving out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think Kandy was a little excited that
Speaker 5: she kind of was surprised that she got those whistles back,
Speaker 5: but it was kind of getting dark, so we decided
Speaker 5: to leave. And on the way out, I saw a
Speaker 5: tree break on the right hand side of the road,
Speaker 5: and I was like, called it. So I stopped and
Speaker 5: got out and was you know, went over to start
Speaker 5: looking on it. Soon as I got over by the tree,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, I just got this feeling I
Speaker 5: need my gun. And so I come walking back to
Speaker 5: the truck. What's going on? And I said, I just
Speaker 5: need my gun, and so I got it to the
Speaker 5: back molster. I'd taken it out while I was driving,
Speaker 5: and walked back and started investigating, and Curtis got out
Speaker 5: and then we look at this tree break and I
Speaker 5: think I sent you pictures of that, and it was
Speaker 5: pretty fresh tree break. It's still, you know, not a
Speaker 5: lot of leaves on it, but had some green leaves
Speaker 5: at the you know, the end of the pork that
Speaker 5: was broken. And so then I started wing around as
Speaker 5: a game trail leaving that, and we walked back in
Speaker 5: there and found a small meadow and I could see
Speaker 5: where something large had walked through the meadow.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: I tramped down grafts and stuff, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I got my gun, you know, on here, but that
Speaker 5: was just a few hundred yards you know from where
Speaker 5: Candy had been whistling, and so that was an interesting
Speaker 5: find on the way out.
Speaker 4: Put that in perspective, you know, for your listeners. I've
Speaker 4: known David for fifty five years, and I've never seen
Speaker 4: him get that kind of feeling. He's six four, he's
Speaker 4: a black built in karate. I've seen him, you know,
Speaker 4: just kind of get intween people in there fighting and
Speaker 4: just you know, stop a fight just with a look.
Speaker 4: And you know, that doesn't mean that he could handle
Speaker 4: a big foot off a bigfoot decided to attack us
Speaker 4: by any means. But for David to get a feeling
Speaker 4: that he needed his gun, most people probably wouldn't be
Speaker 4: impressed by that. But that really impressed me because, like
Speaker 4: I said, I don't think he's ever had a feeling
Speaker 4: like that in his whole life.
Speaker 3: He said, the grass was like trump down in the field.
Speaker 3: My brain is just trying to process that. That would
Speaker 3: have had to have been a fairly short amount of time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I tried to look, you know, I'm
Speaker 5: really tracking is one thing I like I try to do,
Speaker 5: you know, So I was looking forward. It was you know,
Speaker 5: you can see in certain things, you can see shine, right,
Speaker 5: you know when it's fresh, and it was you see it.
Speaker 5: It didn't happen that long before, and you couldn't see
Speaker 5: Prince in it or anything like that, but it was
Speaker 5: definitely trail going through this small meadow. It was. It
Speaker 5: wasn't like a big meadow. It's probably twenty yards wide
Speaker 5: by maybe thirty yards long. Curtis, what do you say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't big, but yeah, there was
Speaker 4: definitely something that had been there walk that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, relatively recently and all of this and you guys
Speaker 3: haven't even really gotten a camp yet.
Speaker 5: Hadn't gotten yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and there's even you know, I hate to
Speaker 4: say it, but there's even more in Gifford Pinchot. I mean,
Speaker 4: we ended up going the next day up another forest
Speaker 4: service road. David can tell you about that.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, we're still we're still in the Gift Show
Speaker 5: forest and so we had another day. So the next
Speaker 5: day we go up when we drive another forest road.
Speaker 5: Because we enjoyed what we did today before and all
Speaker 5: the stuff we found, so we go and we find
Speaker 5: this old road. It was awesome, and it was awesome road.
Speaker 5: I mean, but there was a gi was gated off,
Speaker 5: so like the road was you know, old, and the
Speaker 5: grass was you know, it was like growing up and
Speaker 5: overgrown and things like that. You could walk down it,
Speaker 5: but there was no trees and it was pretty easy
Speaker 5: to walk down it. So it went for about would
Speaker 5: you go about a mile up that area. Yeah, And
Speaker 5: so we're walking along and as we're walking along, we
Speaker 5: usually try to I call it practical walk in the curtis,
Speaker 5: you know, will stay in one spot and look, listen
Speaker 5: and watch while I walk ahead about twenty yards and
Speaker 5: then I stopped and he comes back up and I'm looking,
Speaker 5: listening and watching while we do that, and he heard
Speaker 5: something interesting as me and Candy were walking forward. Well
Speaker 5: let them say tell you that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was probably five times in a row.
Speaker 4: We kind of gave a called it tactical walking. I
Speaker 4: kind of call it leap frogging. We kind of but
Speaker 4: like you said, one of us will walk, one of
Speaker 4: us will stay and then listen. And every single time
Speaker 4: that David and Candy walked forward, and it didn't seem
Speaker 4: to happen from what they said. When I walked forward.
Speaker 4: But so maybe it had something to do with candy
Speaker 4: being there. I don't know. But every single time, for
Speaker 4: about five or six times in a row, they would
Speaker 4: walk forward, and there was a ridge right above us,
Speaker 4: probably thirty feet high, and I heard something every single time.
Speaker 4: As soon as they took off, it took off as
Speaker 4: well and essentially paralleled them along this road. And then
Speaker 4: we started hearing some other crazy things. We heard rock
Speaker 4: clacks and a few other things. And then David had
Speaker 4: an idea of going back to his interest in Native
Speaker 4: American culture, and he was trying some things. Once I
Speaker 4: I had caught up with him, I told him that
Speaker 4: they're being parallel. He decided to try something interesting.
Speaker 5: So the last few months before you know this trip,
Speaker 5: and people always ask me and say, what are you
Speaker 5: going to do because you're getting close, what are you
Speaker 5: going to do when you run into one you know
Speaker 5: you're gonna run, You're gonna you know what's going to happen?
Speaker 5: And my answer is, I want to communicate. They want
Speaker 5: to try to communicate. And then I asked myself, how
Speaker 5: how are you going to do that? What are you
Speaker 5: going to do? And with my Native American history, I
Speaker 5: started thinking and what came to my mind was if
Speaker 5: these things have been around and all the Native American
Speaker 5: tribes in the in the country have different names for Sasquatch,
Speaker 5: They've interacted with them, they traded with them, they had,
Speaker 5: you know, names for them, then they maybe these Sasquatches
Speaker 5: have watched Indians because Indians communicate with each other with
Speaker 5: sign language, and it's a it's a losing trade of
Speaker 5: Native American sign language. So the last few months, you know,
Speaker 5: there wasn't laughing at me or whatever, but I've been
Speaker 5: studying Native American sign language and trying to learn that,
Speaker 5: and so when I'm in the forest with that happening,
Speaker 5: I try to, you know, I do Native American sign
Speaker 5: language to the woods, to the forest, thinking that maybe
Speaker 5: they're watching, and then maybe they can you see that
Speaker 5: I'm trying to communicate with them. So that's that's what
Speaker 5: I was I would I tried to do when we
Speaker 5: heard that they were paralleling someone's parallelicness. I was doing
Speaker 5: some communication with Native American sign language.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's better than pushing candy towards the sound.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: Considered debate that I took that on quite willingly well, and.
Speaker 4: Like I said, it didn't happen when I would leap
Speaker 4: frog them. It only happened when DANGD and Candy walk forward,
Speaker 4: So that is is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: I find the sign language thing interesting because, like you
Speaker 3: were saying, you know, the different tribes had different languages,
Speaker 3: obviously different dialects and everything, but at one time they
Speaker 3: had to be able to communicate with other tribes that
Speaker 3: didn't speak their language or whatever, and there was kind
Speaker 3: of a universal sign language that all the tribes shared,
Speaker 3: especially in geographic areas. And if you study language and culture,
Speaker 3: sign language happens before spoken language. So it stands to
Speaker 3: reason that if these things do have a language of
Speaker 3: their own, which a lot of people theorize that they do,
Speaker 3: that they would have also had some form of sign
Speaker 3: language previous to that. And like you were saying, probably
Speaker 3: at one time were able to somewhat communicate with the
Speaker 3: Native Americans that they shared a home with. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm all down for the sign language attempt. Did it
Speaker 3: produce any results?
Speaker 5: I haven't seen results, I can say that, but you're
Speaker 5: going to hear something later on that I questioned if
Speaker 5: it caused a result, But we'll get to that when
Speaker 5: we get to we get to Gypsy Meds and one last.
Speaker 4: Little thing that had happened at Gifford Pinchot to us,
Speaker 4: you know, and why we're so lucky to have all
Speaker 4: these things happen, Like you said, maybe it's because we're
Speaker 4: paying attention. But our last night there, we the campground
Speaker 4: we were in sort of had a circular road that
Speaker 4: went around the campground, and most of the campsites were
Speaker 4: on the outside of the circle. There were a couple
Speaker 4: on the inside, but nobody seemed to be camping there,
Speaker 4: and we had heard a couple of knights in a row,
Speaker 4: as they had said, some calls and whoops and one
Speaker 4: one scream and the owls and that kind of thing.
Speaker 4: Our last evening, it was right up around sundown and
Speaker 4: some was just going down and we were all just
Speaker 4: kind of sitting in our camp relaxing, and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden we heard a whoop, and it seemed to
Speaker 4: be very close like it was in the circular area
Speaker 4: of the of the campground, which was agains for us,
Speaker 4: and I would guess that the loop was maybe three
Speaker 4: it's of a mile around, And as soon as we
Speaker 4: heard this whoop, we kind of looked at each other,
Speaker 4: realizing that it was it was close. On the previous
Speaker 4: calls we had heard that seemed to be coming from
Speaker 4: the hilltop across the across the road, but this was
Speaker 4: maybe two hundred feet away, and so we all grabbed
Speaker 4: our stuff and Candy and I went into one of
Speaker 4: the open camp sites in that center portion, and David
Speaker 4: started sort of slowly walking through the forest. And David
Speaker 4: and I didn't really find anything in the campground, but
Speaker 4: we went in there because it was open, we thought
Speaker 4: we could look around, and we didn't find anything. So
Speaker 4: I quickly backed out, realizing that David was going to
Speaker 4: be walking across the center, and I kind of jogged
Speaker 4: around at the opposite side, and Casey flushed something out,
Speaker 4: and we probably looked around for about twenty minutes and
Speaker 4: never found anything, and it didn't hear any more sound.
Speaker 4: So either if it was in that center portion and
Speaker 4: made that loud gup, it was either hunke or down
Speaker 4: in hiding and we never found it, or we had
Speaker 4: flushed it out earlier. But that was sort of our
Speaker 4: our last big thing in Gifford can show, except that
Speaker 4: at three o'clock in the morning that night, David and
Speaker 4: I have both heard something walking through our campground. As
Speaker 4: it turned out, it never ended up on any of
Speaker 4: our game came. So whether it was a bear, whether
Speaker 4: it was a bear or something else, I don't know.
Speaker 4: But something sort of walks between our two tenths, which
Speaker 4: was which were about fifty feet apart. So those were
Speaker 4: our experiences and different than show. And we haven't evenmitted
Speaker 4: to Gypsy Meadows yet.
Speaker 5: There was one thing that I didn't mention was that
Speaker 5: when we were coming out of that road and remember
Speaker 5: that Curtis, but we heard that rock clacking, you know,
Speaker 5: when I grabbed two rocks and I clacked back.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's n I.
Speaker 5: Got responded back three times, you know with my rock clacks,
Speaker 5: and so like yep, there's something up there and it's
Speaker 5: clacking rocks back. And every time I would clack a
Speaker 5: certain number, you would come back and then so that
Speaker 5: was exciting.
Speaker 3: And it was copying the number of clacks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just just like copying the whistles that
Speaker 4: Candy did.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm trying to think, like, why would
Speaker 3: a person be up there clacking rocks together. Obviously you
Speaker 3: need hands to do that. If you were just hearing
Speaker 3: something natural doing it. It wouldn't copy the number of
Speaker 3: times that you did it.
Speaker 5: No, right, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say I would stick that feather
Speaker 3: in my hat for sure.
Speaker 5: All that's making Candy more excited pig.
Speaker 4: So we finally on Wednesday morning drove to Gypsey Meadows.
Speaker 4: This is our June trip. On the way, we picked
Speaker 4: up my wife, Terry at the Spokane Airport. We kind
Speaker 4: of got to Gypsey Meadows middle to late afternoon and
Speaker 4: Will Olmer was there along with Marshall White, and then
Speaker 4: their other friends Karen West came later that day. And
Speaker 4: that night we were just kind of getting settled into
Speaker 4: camp and they came over for a campfire, but not
Speaker 4: a lot happened. But about one in the morning, I
Speaker 4: was awakened by a knock that's kind of pretty close
Speaker 4: to my camp. I kind of listened for a while,
Speaker 4: and nothing else really happened. The next day, you know,
Speaker 4: they had heard your interview with us, and so we
Speaker 4: kind of showed them some of the areas where things
Speaker 4: had happened to us in two thousand and twenty four.
Speaker 4: And then that afternoon David was taking a nap and
Speaker 4: something interesting happened to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we had we had taken him up and
Speaker 5: showed him where the X structure that we had seen
Speaker 5: the year before was, and came back and we just
Speaker 5: decided to go get in my hammock and take a
Speaker 5: nap and just laying and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 5: hear this thud of a rock like right behind my head.
Speaker 5: It is like within within eight feet of me, and
Speaker 5: I was like, who just threw that rock at me? So,
Speaker 5: you know, And so I get up and look around,
Speaker 5: and I'm looking for this rock because I know that
Speaker 5: I heard the thud. And all the rocks except for
Speaker 5: this one that I found, they're all embedded in the
Speaker 5: forest bed. You know, they got pine needles all around,
Speaker 5: the dirt on them, you know, it's all like that.
Speaker 5: But this one was totally clean, and it was right
Speaker 5: where I thought I had heard this thud, so I
Speaker 5: know that was the rock that had hit there. So
Speaker 5: I pick up the rock and I throw it up
Speaker 5: in the air to hear what it sounds like when
Speaker 5: it lands again. And it sounded exactly like the thud
Speaker 5: that I had heard, you know when I did it.
Speaker 5: So I remembered your comment from our last and I
Speaker 5: said Okay, I'm taking this home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I didn't take the pine cone, but I said that
Speaker 5: reminded me I needed to take my trophy rome. So
Speaker 5: I took that, and I sent you a picture of
Speaker 5: it on my mantle.
Speaker 2: It is now a decoration in my home.
Speaker 3: Always fine whenever somebody unknowingly asked why do you have
Speaker 3: this rock?
Speaker 4: But so.
Speaker 5: Will Marshall and us. We had the whole meadow taken up,
Speaker 5: you know, we had a spot for Sarah and Jonathan
Speaker 5: when they come. But right before dinner, about you know,
Speaker 5: thirty minutes, you know, from after I had the rock
Speaker 5: thrown at me, Will and Marshall were sitting in Marshall's
Speaker 5: camp and all of a sudden they hear these owl
Speaker 5: hoots go off, and then a real loud knock from
Speaker 5: across the main road up the ridge where you know,
Speaker 5: the previous year we'd heard something, you know, the Sarah
Speaker 5: sounds had gone across the camp from where we were
Speaker 5: camping this time and up the hill back in twenty
Speaker 5: four and that's where they heard this. And Will comes
Speaker 5: over to get us and said, hey, we're going to
Speaker 5: head up and follow this. We just heard this loud
Speaker 5: knock up there along with these owls bart owl sounds.
Speaker 5: So we grabbed our stuff and we went across there
Speaker 5: and we had to go through some you know forest,
Speaker 5: about two one hundred yards of forest to get up
Speaker 5: to the main road from the camping area. And right
Speaker 5: when we got up there on the main road, we
Speaker 5: heard two low grunts that you know, like whoo whoo,
Speaker 5: you know, and Marshall, you know, is right behind Marshall's
Speaker 5: camp up in that area. So once you go across
Speaker 5: the main road, we started climbing up the mountain and
Speaker 5: about seventy five you know feed up the mountain, Will
Speaker 5: found another X structure and this was kind of in
Speaker 5: line where our X structure had been that we had
Speaker 5: found the year before, and so we couldn't see it
Speaker 5: from the road, but when we went through all this brush,
Speaker 5: you know, we get up there and here's this X
Speaker 5: structure there. So we kept climbing up another probably fifty
Speaker 5: vertical feet and it was pretty steep, you know, angle
Speaker 5: about fifty to sixty degrees. We'll you know, from where
Speaker 5: Will found his X cruise found something that was really
Speaker 5: interesting there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of you know, we're climbing up and
Speaker 4: I decided to go sideways instead of go vertical at
Speaker 4: this one place to kind of get around a log.
Speaker 4: When I went sideways, I came upon a little outcropping
Speaker 4: of rock or in dirt, and it was maybe six
Speaker 4: feet wide and maybe ten feet long, and in the
Speaker 4: outcropping were these fresh pine boughs and they were all
Speaker 4: arranged in a circle, and in the center was a depression,
Speaker 4: and the depression, for lack of a better term, looked like,
Speaker 4: you know, butt cheeks where somebody had set And I
Speaker 4: called Little over and David over, and we're looking around,
Speaker 4: and nowhere around it was anything like that. We looked
Speaker 4: at the rest of the forest floor. There weren't these
Speaker 4: fresh pineboughs just even just scattered let alone, all kind
Speaker 4: of bundled up. And it didn't look like a place
Speaker 4: where something had said. It looked like a little perch
Speaker 4: if you would, looking out towards the two X structures.
Speaker 4: And we turned around and looked downward, and there was
Speaker 4: no way from the road that you could see this,
Speaker 4: because you're looking through the forest. But from up there
Speaker 4: there were breaks in the trees where you could view
Speaker 4: the road down below, and you could see the very
Speaker 4: far side of the meadow. And I don't know if
Speaker 4: you remember back from twenty twenty four, but we had
Speaker 4: always heard some calls up from that direction. That seemed
Speaker 4: to be where some of the answering calls came from.
Speaker 4: And that was also the ridge that whatever ran through
Speaker 4: our camp and did the Sierra sounds, they went up
Speaker 4: that same ridge. So here, maybe one hundred and twenty
Speaker 4: vertical feet up the hill, we find a little place
Speaker 4: where it looks like something had set and washed the.
Speaker 5: Road, and these pine boughs were weep together. You know,
Speaker 5: you could see it. I think I sent you a
Speaker 5: picture of that, but it definitely circled and you know,
Speaker 5: weave together to make this whatever. You know, it's not
Speaker 5: not big enough to be like a nest like you
Speaker 5: talked about, but it definitely looked like something that sat there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sent me the photo and it's definitely not natural,
Speaker 3: and it's not I was trying to think of, like, okay,
Speaker 3: well what could this be, and I mean, there's nothing there.
Speaker 3: Bears do make ground nests sometimes, but that's not what.
Speaker 5: They look like.
Speaker 3: They look like an actual big old pile nest thing,
Speaker 3: and it certainly wouldn't have one, right there that close
Speaker 3: to the campgrounds.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's ridiculous, and you know, we.
Speaker 4: All started looking at it, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: you know Will, but you know, after meeting him in
Speaker 4: June and then again going camping with him in August,
Speaker 4: he's he's very observant. He started looking around and there
Speaker 4: were a couple of places, one sort of on each
Speaker 4: side of the nest where it looks like something had
Speaker 4: planted its hands to lift itself up to stand up,
Speaker 4: and you could see a couple of finger impressions. So
Speaker 4: it really did look like something had been using that
Speaker 4: as an observation post to see down into the into
Speaker 4: the meadow and down onto the road. So it was
Speaker 4: you know, it definitely I agree, it didn't look like anything.
Speaker 3: That a bear mind, you know, just to reiterate what
Speaker 3: you're saying, it's also interesting that it just happens to
Speaker 3: be at a strategic point if you're trying to observe
Speaker 3: the area.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how many people believe in extra
Speaker 4: but it was essentially in line with the X that
Speaker 4: was close to our camp and the other X that
Speaker 4: we had found halfway up the mountain, and it was
Speaker 4: a perfect observation point. So whether it was an observation
Speaker 4: point or not, it was at least a perfect place
Speaker 4: to put it. And so it was we kind of
Speaker 4: went further off and we ran into a rock wall
Speaker 4: and couldn't go any further and starting to get dark,
Speaker 4: so we all came down and we kind of separated
Speaker 4: for dinner. And why Paul, Will and Marshall were eating dinner,
Speaker 4: they heard roofs coming from that mountain that we had
Speaker 4: just come down in a couple of knocks, so you know,
Speaker 4: it was as if something was responding to us being
Speaker 4: there twenty minutes earlier, and they run the campfire and
Speaker 4: Will heard a rock hit a tree behind our camp
Speaker 4: and it was followed by two knocks. And the knocks
Speaker 4: sounded like they were coming up from that ridge again,
Speaker 4: not from where you know, the walk obviously hit our tree,
Speaker 4: but it sounded like, you know, they heard the whoops,
Speaker 4: and then we heard knocks later that night, and then.
Speaker 7: That night.
Speaker 4: Multiple bard owl calls kind of at two o'clock in
Speaker 4: the morning, and again whether these were owls or not,
Speaker 4: you know, hard to say, but you know, it seemed
Speaker 4: to those calls both in twenty twenty four and now
Speaker 4: this year seemed to proceed strangeness, and Candy had something
Speaker 4: really strange happened about two hours after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I had gone to bed before anybody else.
Speaker 1: It was probably about ten thirty eleven, and my routine
Speaker 1: was in the middle of the night, I always had
Speaker 1: to get up and go to the bathroom, and I
Speaker 1: had a specific spot that I would walk down to
Speaker 1: and take my toilet paper, and I dug a little hole,
Speaker 1: and then I found this nice sized rock, and it
Speaker 1: just kind of reminded me of a small basketball that
Speaker 1: has been completely cut in half, so it was round
Speaker 1: like a bowl on the top and then completely flat
Speaker 1: on the bottom. And so what I would do every
Speaker 1: night was I would take that rock and put it
Speaker 1: over my.
Speaker 2: Hole with the toilet paper in it.
Speaker 1: And every morning that I would go out there, my
Speaker 1: rock would be moved and it would be set probably
Speaker 1: two to three feet away from my little hole. I
Speaker 1: didn't really think anything about that, and it wasn't until
Speaker 1: the next day after I had my nice little experience
Speaker 1: in the tent. I had been oh, probably awake about
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and it was just just starting to get
Speaker 1: light outside, and I was laying there, and I was
Speaker 1: on my laying on my right side, and I was
Speaker 1: looking at David, and I was thinking, how in the
Speaker 1: world can someone lay on their stomach and snores so loudly?
Speaker 2: And I need it was just a lot.
Speaker 1: He doesn't usually snore. And I lay in there thinking this,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden I just had something push
Speaker 1: right in, touched my left side and just kind of
Speaker 1: pushed came right back out. I immediately started shaking David,
Speaker 1: tell him, you know, David, David, David.
Speaker 2: You know, something just touched me. Something just touched me.
Speaker 2: And so by the time he.
Speaker 1: Woke up, got himself, turned over and zipped, got the flashlight,
Speaker 1: got out, couldn't see anything. But what I could say
Speaker 1: is it was not the nose of an animal. It
Speaker 1: was not pointy. It was flat. And I would say
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good sized hand for a female,
Speaker 1: and I would say it felt flat and about the
Speaker 1: same size as my hand. It did not push in hard,
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like a threatening touch.
Speaker 5: It just.
Speaker 1: Felt calmly, just pushed in, pushed into my thigh and
Speaker 1: just calmly rely and left.
Speaker 2: And that was very terry.
Speaker 1: I then proceeded, to, of course get David awake, and
Speaker 1: he got out, didn't see anything. And then I proceeded
Speaker 1: to take my bags that were in our little tiny tint.
Speaker 1: I made a wall and went back to sleep, and
Speaker 1: that's how I slept the last two nights. I did
Speaker 1: not want something to touch me again.
Speaker 3: I mean, first off, hats off to you for not
Speaker 3: packing up and going home.
Speaker 5: At that point, I.
Speaker 2: Almost slept in the truck. And then I have.
Speaker 1: Let David know that we will be purchasing a bigger tint.
Speaker 3: Okay, So a funny story. Whenever I first got in
Speaker 3: bigfoot stuff, I was completely new to all of it.
Speaker 3: I had been camping a few times in my life,
Speaker 3: but nothing, you know, serious. And so I go out,
Speaker 3: I buy my tent, my sleeping bag and everything. I'm
Speaker 3: off to the bigfoot world, all right. So I set
Speaker 3: up my little pup tent and I'm laying there the
Speaker 3: first night and my feet are touching the door, my
Speaker 3: head's touching the back wall, my arms against the side.
Speaker 3: I can reach out and touch the other wall. And
Speaker 3: I was like, mm, Nope, this is not gonna work.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy me a bigger tent, so I know
Speaker 3: exactly what you're talking about. But I mean, so was
Speaker 3: it like, if this makes sense, a slow touch, Yes, and.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was was flat.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: About the size of my hand. That's the best I
Speaker 1: could explain it.
Speaker 3: And you didn't hear anything.
Speaker 1: I know, Unfortunately with the snoring, I did not hear anything.
Speaker 1: You know, probably two to three hours prior to that,
Speaker 1: I was awake and had gone out and went to
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and I did hear what sounded like maybe
Speaker 1: some footprints.
Speaker 2: Walking around in the.
Speaker 1: Camp, but I wasn't about to get out and look.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I heard.
Speaker 2: They were soft. It was soft walking.
Speaker 1: It wasn't whatever it was to me, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: thought it was big, but I definitely heard. I mean,
Speaker 1: the best I can describe it would be just someone
Speaker 1: just lightly walking around.
Speaker 3: Whenever you noticed that the rock was being moved, without
Speaker 3: being too graphic, was anything else.
Speaker 2: Disturbed, No, nope, they they It didn't mess with my
Speaker 2: toilet paper. But the rock was pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: It was not a small rock. It was pretty heavy.
Speaker 1: I had to use.
Speaker 2: Both my hands.
Speaker 1: So whatever moved it, it would you would think because
Speaker 1: it wasn't on its side, it was not upside down.
Speaker 1: It had to have picked it up and then said
Speaker 1: it it was about two feet about two feet away
Speaker 1: from the hole each time, and I really didn't think
Speaker 1: anything about it. And of course it wasn't until David
Speaker 1: and Curtis and Will started talking about it, and David
Speaker 1: can tell you what they've come up with.
Speaker 3: Well, first, David, I want to hear about your reaction
Speaker 3: to her waking you up saying something just touched me.
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, I need to get out and
Speaker 5: get this, you know. I rolled over, I grabbed my
Speaker 5: you know, flashlight, my gun and that I had there,
Speaker 5: and I unzipped and I basically stood up, you know,
Speaker 5: as fast as I could. It was it was at
Speaker 5: least thirty probably thirty seconds, you know. She it took
Speaker 5: her a while to wake me up, you know, and
Speaker 5: but by the time I got up and stood up
Speaker 5: outside the door of our tent and looked around with
Speaker 5: sign and thinks I didn't see anything with it. But
Speaker 5: she was pretty pretty frightened about it, you know when
Speaker 5: it happened, So I knew it was something that really
Speaker 5: happened to her, you know, at that time. The thought
Speaker 5: process that we had because she didn't tell us about
Speaker 5: this rock being moved until later. But the process was
Speaker 5: is that I think that whatever was there had smelled whatever,
Speaker 5: you know, odor and probably that's why it probably came
Speaker 5: over and pushed on the tent and could probably you know,
Speaker 5: had her odor on it, and that's what she, you know,
Speaker 5: may have felt. That's the only thing we could think
Speaker 5: about because it was definitely moving the rock and became
Speaker 5: right to where what tensu didn't go to curses and
Speaker 5: Terry's tent. It didn't do, you know, anyone else's doing
Speaker 5: right to her side right there. Coincidentally, we're not, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean, not to creep anybody out. It was probably
Speaker 5: watching you go to the bathroom. That's my theory that
Speaker 5: it was. It was watching camp at night, like I mean,
Speaker 5: they know you're there, you know, and here's a woman
Speaker 5: and she comes out of the tent in the middle
Speaker 5: of the night and she goes and uses the bathroom.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the rock being disturbed and everything, I
Speaker 3: would completely agree.
Speaker 5: I think it was watching you.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it was came back every night because it
Speaker 1: was moved every morning. It didn't just happen one night,
Speaker 1: it was every night.
Speaker 4: And this was the night before John and Sarah got
Speaker 4: there and after they got there in a few minutes.
Speaker 4: We have another thing where another little story where something
Speaker 4: may have been washing this, So you're you're probably absolutely correct.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of activity where where she's gone to
Speaker 4: the bathroom was right where those individuals running through that camp.
Speaker 4: I doing the Sierra Sounds a year before, so it
Speaker 4: seemed like an area that was frequented by by them,
Speaker 4: and I agree with you, I think something was watching her.
Speaker 4: The next day, we all at different times, decided to
Speaker 4: go for hikes up into the wilderness area Marshall will
Speaker 4: and one in the morning, and then David and myself
Speaker 4: and Candy and Terry went on hiking after and at
Speaker 4: one point of our hike, we all passed or came
Speaker 4: out near the trailhead at the end of the meadow.
Speaker 4: It's all seven of us had been there, and you know,
Speaker 4: everything looked normal, so to speak. The next morning, the
Speaker 4: morning that Sarah and Jonathan eventually arrived, I woke up early,
Speaker 4: about five point thirty, and I wasn't going back to sleep,
Speaker 4: so I got up and decided to hike down and
Speaker 4: walk into that trailhead again, because there's a trail that
Speaker 4: goes into the wilderness at the end of the meadow,
Speaker 4: and Will was capped down there. And when I got
Speaker 4: down there, he was kind of sitting out near his fire,
Speaker 4: and he briefly talked, and I said, I'll be back
Speaker 4: in ten or fifteen minutes. I'm just going for a
Speaker 4: quick walk. And I walked down to the end of
Speaker 4: the meadow where the trailhead was, and now there were
Speaker 4: two five or six foot long branches playing on the
Speaker 4: ground in an X pattern. And to our knowledge, none
Speaker 4: of the seven of us had seen it day before.
Speaker 4: And you know, this is something that was pretty obvious.
Speaker 4: I mean I saw it right away when close to
Speaker 4: the trailhead and went and got Will asked him if
Speaker 4: if you remember, had seen it the day before. He
Speaker 4: had not. Once everybody was up, we asked everybody. Nobody
Speaker 4: had seen it. But now, all of a sudden, I
Speaker 4: think the last hike was around four thirty or five
Speaker 4: in the evening. Now twelve and a half thirteen hours later,
Speaker 4: there's all of a sudden, an X right by the trailhead.
Speaker 4: And we've even gone back and looked at videos that
Speaker 4: people have taken. I think Will did a he'd drone
Speaker 4: video for b Roll for his videos and he's he
Speaker 4: took off almost in that exact spot, and you can
Speaker 4: actually see one of the sticks off to the side.
Speaker 4: It was nowhere near here. We ended up finding it,
Speaker 4: and there somehow was now another stick forming an X. Know,
Speaker 4: we were the only ones, as David said, in the
Speaker 4: whole meadow where there are people camping a quarter mile away. Yes,
Speaker 4: could somebody had come in the evening and put down
Speaker 4: an X on the ground. I suppose that, you know,
Speaker 4: they would have had either god like past all of
Speaker 4: us to do it or gone through the wilderness to
Speaker 4: do it. So it was just out of the last
Speaker 4: strange finding before Sarah and Jonathan arrived.
Speaker 3: I mean, a group full of people up bigfooting don't
Speaker 3: notice an X highly unlikely and and you know at
Speaker 3: the time we didn't other than.
Speaker 4: Seeing the X there, the location really didn't you know,
Speaker 4: stand out to us. But something happened in August at
Speaker 4: an exact location. So you know, once we came back
Speaker 4: in August, we kind of put to each other that
Speaker 4: probably something had been uh right at the end of
Speaker 4: the trail head watching all of us. So gets back
Speaker 4: to that watching thing that we talked about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when we get there, well, So later that day,
Speaker 5: Jonathan and Sarah arrived again in the late afternoon, you know,
Speaker 5: on Friday, and when they got settled, they came over
Speaker 5: and it was it was nice to meet them and
Speaker 5: we all had a good, you know, a good time
Speaker 5: around the you know, campfire, telling stories and things like that.
Speaker 5: She did, she did a recording of that and put
Speaker 5: it in her solely Sasquatch channel so that she has
Speaker 5: a good, you know, good video you know, of that time.
Speaker 5: But about eleven thirty, we were, you know, Will's there,
Speaker 5: Marshall's there, Eron's there, we're all we're all that camping.
Speaker 5: There's no one, no one missing, and we heard a
Speaker 5: tree knock behind our camp from that direction you know
Speaker 5: we've been talking about where you know, Candy would go
Speaker 5: out there and go pee, and in that same direction
Speaker 5: behind the bare box. And about five minutes later, I
Speaker 5: think I sent you a picture of the meadow. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but the tree if you're looking from our camp and
Speaker 5: that and that meadow on the left to the left,
Speaker 5: there was we heard it h a tree, a snap,
Speaker 5: a branch break over there. And it wasn't that you
Speaker 5: know long a time from when we'd heard a knock
Speaker 5: from behind our camp, and so there was a like
Speaker 5: about hundred yards in the opposite direction, and so we
Speaker 5: will and you know, all of us, we went over
Speaker 5: towards tree line with our thermals and we're looking in
Speaker 5: that area. And what was interesting. We'll started speculating and
Speaker 5: he was like, you know what, let's just assume that
Speaker 5: that was a big foot over there with the tree knock.
Speaker 5: I did not have time to come over here without
Speaker 5: us hearing it going through the woods over here to
Speaker 5: branch do it a branch break over here. So if
Speaker 5: we're making an assumption that there's two of them, he speculated,
Speaker 5: I think we're going to hear another response back over
Speaker 5: in that direction pretty soon. So we all went back
Speaker 5: to the camp and within five minutes we heard another
Speaker 5: knock in this direction he thought it was going to
Speaker 5: come from. So that was pretty weird all of a sudden,
Speaker 5: you know, once we're standing around and we heard that
Speaker 5: of a knock, we're like, yeah, okay, well knows what
Speaker 5: he's talking about. And then the motion light went off.
Speaker 5: His camp was at the end of the meadow where
Speaker 5: we had camped the previous year, and we were in
Speaker 5: the camp where those two guys where the pack went
Speaker 5: through the year before. But we saw his motion light
Speaker 5: go off in his camp and he goes, my light
Speaker 5: just went off, so we all we grabbed our thermals
Speaker 5: and we started looking down that direction he went down
Speaker 5: to see investigated, but he had a setup. It wasn't
Speaker 5: just going to go off, and it wasn't windy, but
Speaker 5: for some type of motion. It wasn't gona be a
Speaker 5: branch moving or things like that. Didn't find anything we
Speaker 5: knowing there. I was looking through my thermal into that
Speaker 5: left side of the meadow. I saw a heat motion
Speaker 5: come out and go back in and I didn't know
Speaker 5: what it was. I couldn't say what it was, but
Speaker 5: I saw this motion about three quarters the way down
Speaker 5: the meadow in the tree line, you know, come out
Speaker 5: and just for a split second. And it wasn't long
Speaker 5: enough to be able to do size or anything like
Speaker 5: that in the handheld that I was looking at, but
Speaker 5: it was interesting to see that at the same time
Speaker 5: as and Will had seen his motion like go off
Speaker 5: and we started looking at that. So that that's how
Speaker 5: that night ended with all that going on.
Speaker 3: How far away from the motion light was the.
Speaker 5: Heat signature straight straight across the meadow, probably about fifty
Speaker 5: feet it was, you know, it's right directly across, you know,
Speaker 5: from It was right in the same if I was.
Speaker 5: In August of this year, I went and put a
Speaker 5: thermal camera in that area in the tree line, and
Speaker 5: it was right in that area that I had seen
Speaker 5: this quick motion just to heat in and eat, you know,
Speaker 5: out and back in, you know type thing. Right, So
Speaker 5: something set off the motion down there, you know, with
Speaker 5: it and a lot of heat signature, yeap, just just
Speaker 5: a flash of a heat signature there.
Speaker 4: So the next day was our last full day in June,
Speaker 4: and Sarah and Jonathan did all in their interviews and
Speaker 4: people can go to their channel and Will's channel because
Speaker 4: he did some interviews. But we kind of gathered again
Speaker 4: about ten thirty around our campfire at that at our
Speaker 4: same campground campsite, and that night we heard a couple
Speaker 4: of whistles right behind the camp and that was about it.
Speaker 4: Nothing else happened, and so eventually we all went to
Speaker 4: bed about a twelve thirty quarters one and then about
Speaker 4: one fifty in the morning. David and I were in
Speaker 4: different camps but the next morning we talked about we
Speaker 4: were both awakened by multiple bar owls. There go those
Speaker 4: crazy bart owls again. But there were probably three or
Speaker 4: four of them at various distances from the from our camp,
Speaker 4: and I think I sent that audio to you and
Speaker 4: they went for about four minutes, but right in the
Speaker 4: middle of it there was this high pitched noise that
Speaker 4: we have on audio, and we've had it cleaned up
Speaker 4: a bit. And the next morning when David and I
Speaker 4: talked about it, and it probably lasted for maybe five
Speaker 4: or ten seconds, when we talked about it, we thought
Speaker 4: that it had been monkey chatter.
Speaker 5: Like you know.
Speaker 4: Now on the audio, you can't hear that. You just
Speaker 4: hear something, you know, loud, loud and high pitched, almost
Speaker 4: sounds like a shriek. But we had thought we had
Speaker 4: heard monkey chatterer the night before, and that was a
Speaker 4: kind of the we thought the end of our trip.
Speaker 4: Nothing else really happened that night that we know of,
Speaker 4: and the next day we all turned around and went home.
Speaker 4: But about a week or two after that June trip,
Speaker 4: and we weren't going to mention this, but I think
Speaker 4: I can mention it now because Wolf said something about
Speaker 4: it on his channel actually yesterday. He has a video
Speaker 4: that was taken at twelve thirty that night, and we
Speaker 4: were still around the camp camp before we'd all gone
Speaker 4: to bed. And I won't say much about it because
Speaker 4: I'll let him on his video.
Speaker 5: You know, it's his video there it.
Speaker 4: He did say in his video yesterday, uh something about
Speaker 4: a peaker. Uh. And you can't look as the t
Speaker 4: for his next video. So so you know, your thing
Speaker 4: about them washing us while we're in camp definitely happened
Speaker 4: on that June trip.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't really we won't describe the video. I'll
Speaker 4: just tell people I'm sure it up there, but we
Speaker 4: David and I have both seen it. It's it's interesting that.
Speaker 3: Was just one trip. I mean, Candy, where did you
Speaker 3: stand after that trip? Were you still on the fence
Speaker 3: or well?
Speaker 1: I enjoyed being their bait. Yeah, I think it worked well.
Speaker 1: And I have to I have to admit that I'm
Speaker 1: probably pretty much a believer now. You just there's just
Speaker 1: too many things we heard, the footprints, we found being touched,
Speaker 1: too many things that.
Speaker 2: I can't just say, Ah, that was that's nothing.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a bear. No, I think I probably
Speaker 1: would have heard the bear. I've been around enough bears
Speaker 1: out camping, and I know what they sound like, and
Speaker 1: so for me, I was very impressed.
Speaker 2: I was impressed with.
Speaker 1: How Curtis and David are very serious.
Speaker 2: When we were out there. There's no talking.
Speaker 1: I gotta walk when they tell you to walk, and
Speaker 1: you know, you just kind of need to stay.
Speaker 2: In line with what they're doing.
Speaker 1: And I have to just say it was very eye opening.
Speaker 1: I had a awesome time, and I could I could
Speaker 1: go do this all summer now.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: David, it sounds like she's hooked. Yeah, I think she.
Speaker 5: I think she is.
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, Will tells about an episode where he got
Speaker 4: touched during his tent. So, for those of you who
Speaker 4: follow Will's channel, he usually hangs a big, bigfoot flag
Speaker 4: wherever he goes, and and on the last day when
Speaker 4: we were leaving in June, he got out of his
Speaker 4: his vehicle as he was leaving and walked over to
Speaker 4: our camp holding this thing all holded up, and he
Speaker 4: gave it to Candy. He said, you've been annointed. You
Speaker 4: deserve my flag. And so she about a souvenir from me.
Speaker 1: Yes, I do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just hope you understand candy that there's
Speaker 3: like a million people out there that would love to
Speaker 3: be in your position, and that would I mean, that's
Speaker 3: one of the most amazing first trips into the bigfoot
Speaker 3: world that I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, it's Uh it's one of those where
Speaker 1: you feel you're almost stiel silly telling everybody about it.
Speaker 2: But it was real.
Speaker 1: It happened, and I don't know what it was, but
Speaker 1: it happened, and I'm more than ready to go out
Speaker 1: and see if it will happen again.
Speaker 3: The last time I checked, June and August aren't that
Speaker 3: far apart. I thought you guys usually spaced these trips
Speaker 3: out a little bit farther than that.
Speaker 5: Well, we did. We'd only did it once a year,
Speaker 5: and from twenty two to twenty four we had a
Speaker 5: you know, we're a year gap, two year gap in that.
Speaker 5: But we had discussed before, you know, that we had
Speaker 5: had so much happen to us, and twenty twenty four
Speaker 5: in August, you know, with the what I only described
Speaker 5: as Sierra Sounds and all that that we had, we
Speaker 5: didn't know what was going to be happening with you know,
Speaker 5: going with Will and Sarah and all these people and
Speaker 5: we're just going up there and videotaping what or had
Speaker 5: happened before that. We had decided we were going to
Speaker 5: plan to go back in August, you know, purchasing me.
Speaker 5: So we had that kind of planned already, but there
Speaker 5: was so much activity, you know, in June that when
Speaker 5: we went to August, you know, we had you know,
Speaker 5: I got all the Will and said, hey, we're coming
Speaker 5: back up. Do you want to come join us? And
Speaker 5: he said yeah, he'd love to. And there was, you
Speaker 5: know that what we're we're talking about. He wanted to
Speaker 5: recreate something and it was good that we were all
Speaker 5: up there together, and so he came up there. He
Speaker 5: invited another friend of his who had been a bigfoot
Speaker 5: researcher in that he lives in that area, of Bill
Speaker 5: Bill Bisson and his wife. They got there a few
Speaker 5: days before we did and had been camping in that
Speaker 5: area and it was then when Will came and they
Speaker 5: camped in the site and that little campsite that we
Speaker 5: had talked about before last year where the gentleman whose
Speaker 5: name now we know is Randy Luke, he had his
Speaker 5: camper there and he's the one that we talked about
Speaker 5: that had said I think I saw a bigfoot had
Speaker 5: walked across there. And so Randy had been watching Will's
Speaker 5: and Sarah's video and he was like, I know that
Speaker 5: I was there. I was like, guy, you know, And
Speaker 5: so he was all excited, and he had watching those videos.
Speaker 5: He had learned that we were coming back in August.
Speaker 5: We had stated that, and so he came back up
Speaker 5: and had camped in that exact same site. When we
Speaker 5: got there, he was there, and him and Zil were
Speaker 5: camped right across the road from each other. And then
Speaker 5: when Will came in, he camped across and the next
Speaker 5: camp over in that outside camping area right by the bathroom.
Speaker 5: So when we got there, there was actually a ton
Speaker 5: of people in the meadow. There were a horse people
Speaker 5: who had been working on trails and stuff, but they
Speaker 5: were all packing up and they left like forty five
Speaker 5: minutes after we got there, and then the meadow was
Speaker 5: empty for us. So we went down to the original
Speaker 5: campsite that we were at in twenty four and camped
Speaker 5: in the same spot there. But it was cool that
Speaker 5: Randy came back, and it's interesting, you know, Will did
Speaker 5: an interview with him that he posted on his channel.
Speaker 5: Now you can you can watch that, But he basically
Speaker 5: told the story that we had been well, we had
Speaker 5: said on the podcast, we had assumed and thought that
Speaker 5: he said the bigfood walked from the creek area by
Speaker 5: the bathroom and out, and he bay said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: that's not what happened. He said it was walking along
Speaker 5: the forest and the road on the road that comes
Speaker 5: out from the meadow. And as when I went into
Speaker 5: the bathroom, Curtis went around and back into the campsite,
Speaker 5: it went out there and stopped and then walked back
Speaker 5: into the forest. And from what we were thinking about
Speaker 5: was that it was actually tracking us as we were
Speaker 5: walking out from the meadow, and it probably followed us
Speaker 5: all the way from our camp all the way out
Speaker 5: to that bathroom, and then it couldn't go any further
Speaker 5: because it was the open, open area and there was
Speaker 5: campsites there, but their recreation on size and it was,
Speaker 5: you know, a lot bigger than any of us where
Speaker 5: when we were walking. The people can go watch that
Speaker 5: on you know Willi's channel Return to Gypsy Mos part two,
Speaker 5: you know, the Grassman fifty eight and that's an interesting interview,
Speaker 5: you know for that, but he kind of corrected that
Speaker 5: part of the story for us, and then it started
Speaker 5: making a little more sense on what's going on. But
Speaker 5: it's what amazing me is that person. I don't we
Speaker 5: don't walk down the road loud talking, making noises. We're
Speaker 5: walking down the road looking for things where we're you know,
Speaker 5: we're checking, we're looking, we're looking around, we're trying, we're
Speaker 5: trying to We never know what's going to happen. So
Speaker 5: but whatever, we walked down that road, we didn't notice
Speaker 5: this thing is following us. And I was like, man,
Speaker 5: we really got to step up our game if we're
Speaker 5: missing something like that. You know, let's tracked us all
Speaker 5: the way from our our camps and we couldn't know
Speaker 5: that it was there.
Speaker 3: That was pretty I keep on coming back to the
Speaker 3: same thought in my head as I'm listening to all this.
Speaker 3: They're watching all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah they are, and you know a little bit you'll hear,
Speaker 4: you know even more that gives you that impression. That
Speaker 4: night we got smart. We set out audio recorders. We
Speaker 4: weren't so smart the year before and never got to
Speaker 4: zero down. But at that very first night in our camp,
Speaker 4: after we reviewed it, when we got home, David found
Speaker 4: something interesting that that happened about two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: That was yeah, I don't know. I bought them. We'd
Speaker 5: all we went down and you know, I got a
Speaker 5: thermal camera and Curtis got a thermal camera. I got
Speaker 5: multiple recorders. So we were really trying to get equipment
Speaker 5: up to cover this area. So up above the camp
Speaker 5: there is a weather rain collection station that they have
Speaker 5: up there, and you have a post there with a
Speaker 5: sign don't disturb. So I just go up there and
Speaker 5: it's up on a ridge and it's a pretty good
Speaker 5: area for the whole surrounding area that for us, and
Speaker 5: I put a recorder up on the post up there.
Speaker 5: It's pretty good place to have it. And I get
Speaker 5: this recorded, and I have probably ten of these things.
Speaker 5: And as there's like a it's like a bang that
Speaker 5: goes on. It's like and I don't know how to
Speaker 5: describe it. I send you the audio on it. At
Speaker 5: one bang. I probably have ten of those, and will
Speaker 5: recorded one also as a bang. It's almost like a
Speaker 5: loud drum, like a single drum beat. And I have
Speaker 5: about ten of those types of sounds through the night,
Speaker 5: and one of them all of a sudden I'm hearing
Speaker 5: right before the bang, I hear this. I can describe
Speaker 5: it as a female or a young kid talking, and
Speaker 5: I don't recognize a language. I don't understand it. But
Speaker 5: then there's a loud bang, and then there's more talking,
Speaker 5: and I don't even know how to describe it, but
Speaker 5: it's definitely a young or a female voice in multiple
Speaker 5: vocalizations right after before and after that bang. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you're able to hear it or not, but
Speaker 5: it was very, very strange, and I go, there's no
Speaker 5: females out there walking in the middle of two o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning, and that's that's out in the wilderness area.
Speaker 5: It's like, who's going to be coming out there and
Speaker 5: talking around my recorder? Yeah, you know at that time,
Speaker 5: And so I don't know what that is, but it
Speaker 5: was definitely a strange voice talking in a in a
Speaker 5: young female pitch voice.
Speaker 4: With that, of course, we hadn't heard it. We heard
Speaker 4: it when we got back into town and listened to
Speaker 4: the audio. But the next morning, after breakfast, we decided
Speaker 4: to go out into the wilderness across the creek, and
Speaker 4: we were probably only two hundred feet away from camp
Speaker 4: and right in the creek bed in some kind of
Speaker 4: heavily sandy area, David found a twelve inch bare footprint
Speaker 4: and that you could see toes in and we ended
Speaker 4: up scanning it and casting it. But just to put
Speaker 4: in perspective, the size twelve inch doesn't sound that big.
Speaker 4: David and I both wear a size thirteen shoes and
Speaker 4: our feet are about eleven and a half inches, So
Speaker 4: something with a size fourteen or so foot was walking
Speaker 4: barefoot near the creek. And then later that day a
Speaker 4: lady came into camp and she camped at the end
Speaker 4: where in June we had all that activity, and she
Speaker 4: had a horse trailer with two horses and two little dogs,
Speaker 4: and we were kind of wondering, are these horses gonna
Speaker 4: be bad for business or the dogs gonna be bad
Speaker 4: for business? And they're gonna be good for business, you know,
Speaker 4: What's what's the deal? But but that kind of comes
Speaker 4: into play a little later on. But that she came
Speaker 4: in that day. That second evening, I was pretty quiet.
Speaker 4: We didn't don't remember hearing much, and there wasn't a
Speaker 4: ton on our audio. But around three in the morning,
Speaker 4: David had bought Motion Life similar to Will's and again
Speaker 4: it hadn't really gone off most of the week that
Speaker 4: we were there, or most of the time we were there,
Speaker 4: but at three in the morning, it went off, and
Speaker 4: David and I could hear footsteps in and around the camp.
Speaker 4: You know, the crazy thing is, we have thermal on
Speaker 4: the on the meadow, we got game cameras in our
Speaker 4: camp looking out, we got a thermal up on the ridge.
Speaker 4: We got Audie recorders going. Nothing showed up. So it's
Speaker 4: you know, for whatever reason, I know, there's always been
Speaker 4: a lot of speculations to where they can sense electronics,
Speaker 4: but both that time and later things that happened this week,
Speaker 4: it seems that they always found dead zones. If it
Speaker 4: was the fast Watch walking through our camp, they seem
Speaker 4: to find dead zones. There's either the luckiest things in
Speaker 4: the world or the smartest things in the world. One
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so weird. I don't even know. I don't
Speaker 3: want to even start speculating. I don't have an answer, right,
Speaker 3: We've all.
Speaker 4: Heard, you know, various theories and and obviously nobody knows.
Speaker 4: But but you know, with all that went on, other
Speaker 4: than the Will's video that he's gonna you know post,
Speaker 4: they don't have anything on video everything that went on
Speaker 4: both weeks, so it is kind of crazy.
Speaker 5: But that Tuesday evening we're cursed. We were just at
Speaker 5: camp playing cards. We couldn't have a fire again and
Speaker 5: it was fire restricted, and all of a sudden, Will
Speaker 5: comes down to our camp and the around nine o'clock
Speaker 5: and he told us that he had just heard a
Speaker 5: large tree break behind his tent near the creek, and
Speaker 5: then he had a real loud loop at that point.
Speaker 5: So we at that time decided we're gonna let's go
Speaker 5: set up our thermals for the night. We were still
Speaker 5: learning our thermals, not knowing how long they're gonna last,
Speaker 5: so we decided we would set them up right before
Speaker 5: we went to bed and they go all night. So
Speaker 5: we had do that in two different areas, and we
Speaker 5: were overlooking the whole meadow and one up on the
Speaker 5: ridge behind our camp with it. So while we're setting
Speaker 5: up our thermals, all of a sudden, we hear a
Speaker 5: loud knock from the previous area where were you know,
Speaker 5: in two twenty four, we had left gifts, you know,
Speaker 5: like apples and you know, peanut butter in that area.
Speaker 5: But from that same direction as about one hundred yards
Speaker 5: you know, to the northeast of that area. So then
Speaker 5: we decided to sit sit out in front of the
Speaker 5: truck for a while and we just set out there quiet,
Speaker 5: and we had a parabolic that I record on when
Speaker 5: my recorders, and we ended up hearing four whoops from
Speaker 5: that same direction that we had heard knocks. And then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden we start getting these strange bart
Speaker 5: out calls and they're night they're trying to be bart
Speaker 5: hours with or not, and they're calling back and forth,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden we get these multiple
Speaker 5: I can only describe as duck sounds in the same
Speaker 5: direction as the first knock. And I'm going, what we
Speaker 5: got ducks now in the middle of the forest, and
Speaker 5: compariously started, yeah, they got we're hearing ducks sounds, probably
Speaker 5: about six or seven and I think I sent you
Speaker 5: that audio on there. I don't know how to describe it,
Speaker 5: but it was like these duck ducks sounds or vocalizations
Speaker 5: of something trying to mimic it. But we heard two
Speaker 5: different whistles, you know, at that time in the tree line.
Speaker 5: And then there was another loop down by the Creek.
Speaker 5: We heard another knock coming from the Gifting Side area,
Speaker 5: and so that was a strange So I was glad
Speaker 5: I got it on audio because I don't think, what
Speaker 5: the heck are these We have ducks in the and
Speaker 5: there's no water around like that, there's no pond for
Speaker 5: these ducks to be out there. When I listened real
Speaker 5: close to the audio, I'm hearing a mixture of bart
Speaker 5: al calls, whoops, ducks, sounds all mixed together and going.
Speaker 5: It's like half a party of birds out there in
Speaker 5: the middle of the woods.
Speaker 3: Do they seem to be pretty vocal in that area?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Cornia we had no vocalizations that we know of,
Speaker 4: and and in Washington we've we've had a ton of them.
Speaker 4: And again some of them may be actual owls and
Speaker 4: maybe even ducks, but but a lot of vocalizations. Every
Speaker 4: time we've been to Gypsy Meadows, we kind of sat around,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to truck for an hour or two to that,
Speaker 4: all quiet.
Speaker 9: And down, and then we went to bed and about
Speaker 9: five am, we we heard rain starting to fall, and
Speaker 9: we just bought these thermals.
Speaker 4: So we just both got up, heard the rain, decided
Speaker 4: to go get our thermals and had actually brought in
Speaker 4: our thermal. We heard an owl again kind of going
Speaker 4: off down near that same gifting area where we heard
Speaker 4: everything the night before, and then a whoop came from
Speaker 4: that area. And then, you know, just opposite where that
Speaker 4: other campsite was that we were in June, we heard
Speaker 4: a a whistle. So I got five in the morning.
Speaker 4: We started sharing all these things and brought in all
Speaker 4: our equipment, and eventually it quieted down and David went
Speaker 4: back to bed, and I decided to go for a walk.
Speaker 4: And you know, the sun up it was until five
Speaker 4: fifty six, and so now that was probably five thirty
Speaker 4: five thirty five, still pretty dark. You might see a
Speaker 4: little bit alight, but it was pretty dark. And I
Speaker 4: walked down by that bathroom area, and my plan was
Speaker 4: just to walk the same loop I had done when
Speaker 4: the thing kind of followed us out of the out
Speaker 4: of the woods year before, and just you know, just
Speaker 4: to get a walk. I wasn't expecting anything to happen.
Speaker 4: As I got to the main road, I looked to
Speaker 4: my right down where Wheel's campground was, and I thought
Speaker 4: I saw Will standing out the front of his camp
Speaker 4: and we later lasered this distance. It was eighty yards
Speaker 4: and you know, a little bit of twilight, but you
Speaker 4: couldn't tell colors. But I thought from about the abdomen
Speaker 4: up standing behind a bush something lightly colored, and Will
Speaker 4: has this light colored jacket, and I thought he had
Speaker 4: been up and just you know, listening or our standing.
Speaker 4: So I waved, and I got it. Will didn't way back,
Speaker 4: and I didn't think anything of it. I know, had
Speaker 4: an eighty yard waved see me, and I I was
Speaker 4: going to make the group and be back there, and
Speaker 4: maybe forty five seconds later when I came around, Will
Speaker 4: wasn't there, and nothing was there. I didn't spent probably
Speaker 4: the next fifteen to twenty minutes looking all around, trying
Speaker 4: to you know, see where game cameras were, see if
Speaker 4: they would have cost this. All three guys were in
Speaker 4: their separate campgrounds, still in their beds, and the city
Speaker 4: wasn't there. And eventually I probably looked around and total
Speaker 4: for maybe about a half hour. Will eventually got up.
Speaker 4: I asked him if you had had, you know, get
Speaker 4: up earlier, and sending in his company said no. But
Speaker 4: about an hour before that, he said something set off
Speaker 4: his motion light and then he saw a shadow on
Speaker 4: his tent. The shadow didn't come very high, and he
Speaker 4: thought maybe it had been there, so he didn't really,
Speaker 4: you know, he didn't really exciting enough to get out
Speaker 4: of bed. And and then you know, I saw what
Speaker 4: I saw, and eventually, once it got light and everybody
Speaker 4: was around, we recreated it. I went back to the
Speaker 4: area at David stand behind the the bush that I
Speaker 4: had seen this thing from about mid apt and then
Speaker 4: up and David is six' four AND i only saw
Speaker 4: him from about. Armpits so we Had david kind of
Speaker 4: lift his arm to see about how HIGH i thought
Speaker 4: the thing. Was and WHEN i thought earlier from eighty
Speaker 4: yards away in the, DARK i didn't really it didn't
Speaker 4: really my brain didn't process how tall this thing. Was
Speaker 4: When david started this in his, hand we figured it
Speaker 4: was probably somewhere between seven and eight feet. Tall we
Speaker 4: then started looking around and we found a little trampled
Speaker 4: area where it had probably. Stood and again it was
Speaker 4: in a dead zone between all of our, cameras and
Speaker 4: to our, knowledge no one else was. Around everybody had
Speaker 4: been asleep except. Me and the thing about the light,
Speaker 4: color you remember back to twenty twenty, Four randy had
Speaker 4: seen a tan colored, bigfoot so in my, mind my
Speaker 4: brain went to seeing this light color standing in front
Speaker 4: Of wheel's camp got to Be. Will but you, KNOW
Speaker 4: i clearly love The.
Speaker 5: Will that's. Crazy, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: The things that had just, happened you, know happened THAT
Speaker 4: i were either the luckiest guys in the world or.
Speaker 4: Whatever but it's just it's just amazing the things that.
Speaker 4: Happened but it gets maybe not, better but other things happened.
Speaker 5: Well that the one thing that carried him mentioned that
Speaker 5: he had we figured out the hip because he had
Speaker 5: seen his branch with moss across it and that was
Speaker 5: how he was judging where the top of it was
Speaker 5: in that in my hand was just barely reaching up
Speaker 5: to that WHEN i put it above my, head you.
Speaker 5: Know for. That but, afternoon all five of us we
Speaker 5: went across the crete on hike and we'll found it
Speaker 5: twelve and a half inch print that he casted and
Speaker 5: we scanned it and it definitely had toes on. There
Speaker 5: and he has a video on his channel where he,
Speaker 5: shows you, know in casting that and then what it looked,
Speaker 5: like you know after. That but that was in the.
Speaker 5: Sand it was pretty easy to see the toes on
Speaker 5: that on that. Print later, while we found out that
Speaker 5: that lady her meadow with her two, dogs one had
Speaker 5: been missing for a, while and apparently what had happened
Speaker 5: was when she had gone out on trail, rides she
Speaker 5: came back and went down to the creek with their
Speaker 5: dogs and her horses to water, them and there was
Speaker 5: this she had a kind of a faraoh, dog and
Speaker 5: all of a sudden it got really scared and like
Speaker 5: trembling and took off and it wouldn't come back to
Speaker 5: the camp for a couple of. Days and we'd seen
Speaker 5: it every once in a while out on the, road
Speaker 5: but she had she couldn't get the dog to come
Speaker 5: back to camp after she had been taken her them
Speaker 5: down to that creek that we see everything coming. From
Speaker 5: so that was one other interesting thing that happened with her.
Speaker 4: There the dogs would rather stay out outside in the
Speaker 4: in the forest and go back near the. Creek we
Speaker 4: don't know what. Its that was kind of.
Speaker 5: Crazy, Yeah so we decided we're going to do a
Speaker 5: night hike and we went up a gated off forest
Speaker 5: road up to IS i guess there's a historic copper
Speaker 5: mine camp, there and we hiked. Up we found a
Speaker 5: couple of buildings. There it was interesting doing a night.
Speaker 5: Hike we hadn't really done something like. That we did
Speaker 5: something and With candy up a, road but this was
Speaker 5: a little. Different but that that night we get at.
Speaker 5: Hamp we had some more knocks that were going off
Speaker 5: while we're setting up our, thermals and then you will
Speaker 5: hurt him as. Well but his camp was about a
Speaker 5: eighth of a mile. Away then he heard a screech
Speaker 5: and but he thought that screech might have been a.
Speaker 5: Cougar it was kind of a cougar sound that. Night
Speaker 5: but the next day we're getting towards the, end and
Speaker 5: then we hike up to the. Back in twenty four
Speaker 5: we found these sixteen and a half inch prints with
Speaker 5: a you, know forty eight to fifty foot step. Length
Speaker 5: AND i, said we got to go back up there
Speaker 5: and look. Around so we go up there and this
Speaker 5: time we find two fifteen and a half inch. PRINTS
Speaker 5: i THINK i sent you the picture of one at
Speaker 5: the wet in the heel. Area Then curtis measured those
Speaker 5: out and the step LENGTH i think wasn't. That it
Speaker 5: was it like Sixty, curtis, yeah which is, crazy like
Speaker 5: sixty inches to the next to the next step in the.
Speaker 5: Marsh so that was a huge step, length.
Speaker 4: Sixty thanks zero and it really couldn't see couldn't see
Speaker 4: where it had stepped in, between and it was all.
Speaker 4: Marshy so if it had, stepped we think we would
Speaker 4: have seen. It, NOW i suppose it's, possible you, know
Speaker 4: pushed off and did more than just a step and
Speaker 4: did a little bit of a, leap but that five
Speaker 4: feet is a crazy.
Speaker 5: Step, yeah, Yeah but the print didn't look like a you,
Speaker 5: know try to read, prints you're going to see like
Speaker 5: a disc or a you, know a dish or an
Speaker 5: explosion for, that and there was nothing like that in the.
Speaker 5: Print the print was a normal step with, it you,
Speaker 5: know just a you, know like a normal. Walking but
Speaker 5: that was A i was, going are you serious at sixty?
Speaker 5: Inches you, know but that was a huge step, length you,
Speaker 5: know from. There AND i don't know from our experience
Speaker 5: in twenty two In, california we know that the marsh,
Speaker 5: absorbs you, know, footprints and so maybe one was absorbed,
Speaker 5: AGAIN i DON'T i can't say that it. Didn't but
Speaker 5: from the two that we saw there was sixty inches
Speaker 5: you know from.
Speaker 3: THERE i don't know the exact formula off the top
Speaker 3: of my, head But i'm trying to rack my brain
Speaker 3: to remember how that would equate to a possible heights
Speaker 3: and it's getting up.
Speaker 5: There, Well curtis to talk about, THAT.
Speaker 4: I DON'T i didn't look up, sixty but forty eight
Speaker 4: inches is what we found the year. Before and you
Speaker 4: know in orthopedics we have paid in The alfie then
Speaker 4: at forty eight, inches assuming it's just a normal walking
Speaker 4: step and not a jump or running. Step assuming it's
Speaker 4: a walking, step forty eight inches equates to nine feet six.
Speaker 5: Inches, yeah, yeah sixty thinking it or.
Speaker 4: Yeah for a? Human, right we don't have no, idea
Speaker 4: and of course aren't any nine six inch tall, humans
Speaker 4: but if it was a, human it would have quit
Speaker 4: nineteen six inches havin a forty eight inch, Stride so.
Speaker 4: Yea our next to last morning Was saturday. MORNING i
Speaker 4: woke up about five thirty AND i didn't know That
Speaker 4: david had experienced something the night, Before so why don't
Speaker 4: you tell them what you had, Experienced, david and Then
Speaker 4: I'll i'll go along with WHAT I in the, MORNING.
Speaker 5: I got woken, up you, know about two thirty in the,
Speaker 5: morning heard a couple of. WHISTLES i got, up you,
Speaker 5: know looked around camp and you, know into the, bathroom
Speaker 5: and then went back to. Bed and WHILE i was
Speaker 5: getting back, settled all of a, sudden you, know about
Speaker 5: twenty minutes, LATER i smell this bad sulfur. Smell it
Speaker 5: was to the right of my tent and it was
Speaker 5: only there for about three to four, seconds and then
Speaker 5: it just, disappeared AND i was, going that was, nasty you.
Speaker 5: Know then it was, gone AND i was, Going, okay
Speaker 5: to something just come by AND i get a whiff of,
Speaker 5: it you, Know but, YEAH i. DIDN'T i didn't know
Speaker 5: where that came from or what it. Was but it
Speaker 5: wasn't anything that. Lingered it was just in passing this
Speaker 5: odor that was like right right by the right side
Speaker 5: of my.
Speaker 4: Tent AND i had slept through all of. THAT i
Speaker 4: didn't know till AFTER i got, up but that had.
Speaker 4: Occurred BUT i woke up about five, thirty and usually
Speaker 4: WHAT i did WAS i got up. EARLY i went
Speaker 4: and brought the thermalvie here running my little battery and
Speaker 4: Sometimes i'd go change the batteries on our audio and
Speaker 4: So david's thermal that day was sort of out in
Speaker 4: the middle of the, meadow looking down across the first
Speaker 4: of the, meadow AND i went out and picked it
Speaker 4: up and brought it back to under OUR auni and
Speaker 4: instead of going to get my thermal up the, RIDGE
Speaker 4: i DECIDED i wanted to brush my. Teeth BUT i
Speaker 4: kind of walked down the gravel driveway into our, camp
Speaker 4: and then about halfway down the driveway OR i took
Speaker 4: her right towards WHERE i kept my toothpaste in the bare,
Speaker 4: Box and right WHEN i got to the bare, BOX
Speaker 4: i heard this spud and then a clack, clap and
Speaker 4: clearly a rock had been thrown and land lay planted
Speaker 4: in the, dirt sort of maybe ten feet from, me
Speaker 4: and then bounced into the gravel. Driveway SO i turned
Speaker 4: around and kind of scanned it with my eyes the tree,
Speaker 4: line and THEN i had, said, well you know, What
Speaker 4: i'm gonna Get david's thermal THAT i just got back
Speaker 4: in and turned on and kind of scanned the tree,
Speaker 4: line AND i didn't find, anything BUT i set the
Speaker 4: thermal up in, case you, know with. Hiding something was
Speaker 4: hiding behind a. Tree AND i think here's WHERE i
Speaker 4: learned both, in you, know thinking that that THING i
Speaker 4: was will out there at five thirty in the, morning
Speaker 4: and now with this mock, THROW i have to learn
Speaker 4: to think out of the. Box they can do things
Speaker 4: that humans can't. DO i pointed that thermal at the
Speaker 4: closest place across the meadow that was maybe twenty five
Speaker 4: or thirty yards, away figuring that that's, where you, know
Speaker 4: something most likely was throwing something. At and THEN i
Speaker 4: kind of sat down and kept an eye on the,
Speaker 4: area and then we HEARD i heard a knock up
Speaker 4: ridge behind us and whistled down at the other end
Speaker 4: of the, meadow but we never saw anything on. Thermal
Speaker 4: and short way after, That david eventually got up AND
Speaker 4: i told him when it, happened and he told me
Speaker 4: that just two all that. Smell and THEN i stayed
Speaker 4: in camp And david walked out to the tree line
Speaker 4: WHERE i thought that the rock could come, from and you,
Speaker 4: KNOW i kind of videoed, him and pretty soon he
Speaker 4: was lost in the trees AND i couldn't see him very,
Speaker 4: much and next THING i, knew he kind of came
Speaker 4: out over by the trailhead where we had found THAT
Speaker 4: x back.
Speaker 5: Soon, yeah when first told me, that you, KNOW i
Speaker 5: was kind OF i want to go see WHAT i can,
Speaker 5: find you, know where to come, from kind of wondering,
Speaker 5: about you, know the angle or the, things you, know
Speaker 5: where the rock would come up in that. Area BUT
Speaker 5: i go into the tree, LINE i follow the game
Speaker 5: trail down AND i come on out And i'm staying
Speaker 5: there looking and starting and, say, okay where's This where
Speaker 5: were this thing to? Throw AND i found this area
Speaker 5: WHERE i, think you, know this open area behind this
Speaker 5: tree that would be perfect for throwing and you could
Speaker 5: just step out and make it throw and then just
Speaker 5: kind of duck back in this. Area so THEN i
Speaker 5: started looking a little closer in that, area AND i
Speaker 5: find a fresh sixteen and a half inch by fifteen
Speaker 5: and a half inch print there saying signs that we
Speaker 5: had before the primior, year and there's two of. Them
Speaker 5: one was REALLY i could see really, clear but AS
Speaker 5: i scanned, IT i THINK i sent you the scan on,
Speaker 5: it BUT i could see where something had stepped on
Speaker 5: a branch that had pulled up the pine cone the
Speaker 5: left side of the full straight ridge pressure releaset you
Speaker 5: know in, there and you could DEFINITELY i could see
Speaker 5: toes in. It and it was definitely it could it stepped.
Speaker 5: There it had a lot of pressure on. It and
Speaker 5: then the second one was off to the, side AND
Speaker 5: i think when it Saw curtis leave and go to
Speaker 5: the bare, box which was not visible from that, angle
Speaker 5: it went up to this open area where the tree was,
Speaker 5: covered AND i think that's where it threw a. Rock
Speaker 5: but it was like a fresh. Print but it was
Speaker 5: a perfect, spot you, know for, Me i'm going to throw,
Speaker 5: it and the angle was right to where it would
Speaker 5: land on the dirt and then roll onto the you,
Speaker 5: know onto the drive the driveway where the, rocks.
Speaker 4: And we went in and laser of that distance and
Speaker 4: here's WHERE i say we have to think out of the.
Speaker 4: Box it. Was it was fifty one yards and you
Speaker 4: know the rock WAS i don't know which of the
Speaker 4: ten thousand rocks in the in the gravel driveway that
Speaker 4: the rock, was Or i'd have a souvenir as, well
Speaker 4: but you, know you can't a human just can't throw
Speaker 4: a rock that size fifty one. Yards in, Fact david
Speaker 4: AND i we have a video of us trying to
Speaker 4: throw a rock and we both probably threw it about
Speaker 4: thirty five yards just because you, know the rock doesn't
Speaker 4: have that much. Weight it's not like throwing a baseball
Speaker 4: or anything like. That it's bigger and more, weight you.
Speaker 4: Know and that's why when WHEN i heard the sud you,
Speaker 4: Know i'm just thinking in terms THAT i, know not
Speaker 4: not WHAT i don't. Know AND i looked at the closest.
Speaker 4: PLACE i WISH i had scanned the whole tree. Line
Speaker 4: who knows IF i would have seen the thing looking
Speaker 4: at us through this through that, Area but that was
Speaker 4: the exact area that that excellence found In. June, so,
Speaker 4: uh you, know getting back to, that was it seems
Speaker 4: like they were always watching. US i, agree both In
Speaker 4: june then In. August something always seemed to be watching. This.
Speaker 5: Yeah SO i, THINK i, say you our video of
Speaker 5: when we were trying to document.
Speaker 3: That, yeah when you're nine feet tall and you've got you,
Speaker 3: know a sixty, destride you've got a different, perspective different vantage,
Speaker 3: points different throwing, angles all sorts of.
Speaker 5: Things. Yeah but, yeah one of my you, KNOW i started,
Speaker 5: Thinking i've been thinking about, that and you, know with my,
Speaker 5: interest with my interest in you, Know Native american, sign
Speaker 5: WHAT i realized is That curtis actually communicated with The
Speaker 5: sasquatch when he waved at. It you, know The sasquatch
Speaker 5: didn't know That curtis didn't recognize, it but he knew
Speaker 5: That curtis had seen it when he waved at. It
Speaker 5: and But curtis kept walking away in different, directions and it,
Speaker 5: was you, know after the rock. Throw i'm wondering if,
Speaker 5: that you, know he wasn't throwing to hit. Him he'd
Speaker 5: he threw it When curtis had gone out of, sight you,
Speaker 5: know over the bare. Box But i'm wondering if there
Speaker 5: was some communication or make contact or. Something i'm not
Speaker 5: sure what, happened but maybe the same thing happened when
Speaker 5: they threw a rock by my. HAMMOCK i did go
Speaker 5: WHEN i went into the, woods you, know looking for that.
Speaker 5: AREA i did try to do Some native sign into the.
Speaker 5: Woods you, know, hey we're you, know we're, good good.
Speaker 5: People we're you, know we speak the. Truth you, know you,
Speaker 5: know come counsel with, us you, know you know they
Speaker 5: things like. That no one, came but you, know that's
Speaker 5: WHAT i was trying to do at that. Time you,
Speaker 5: know that, night at three o'clock or my motion lights went,
Speaker 5: off and we had Decided, Okay i'm going to go
Speaker 5: put my thermal in the trees on a large game,
Speaker 5: trail and right from that area where bacambrew, was all
Speaker 5: of a, SUDDEN i got. This something just went off
Speaker 5: and it was like angry bart. Owls you, know if
Speaker 5: you put anger into there this. Footing it was angry
Speaker 5: and it just started shooting and you, know and took
Speaker 5: off and was moving and went towards our gifting area
Speaker 5: and it went on for it looked like it kept
Speaker 5: going all the way to the game here and did him,
Speaker 5: back curled back across the. Creek it went on for
Speaker 5: about fifteen, minutes just and it was angry. Sounds you,
Speaker 5: know it was, weird AND i think it might have
Speaker 5: walked into and found my, game my thermal and got
Speaker 5: mad and then took off and went that whole big
Speaker 5: circle for about fifteen, minutes just going off with this
Speaker 5: angry voice and angry sound in that same direction that
Speaker 5: we had heard the quote ducks or whatever you know
Speaker 5: in that and so something happened to something got angry at.
Speaker 3: That all of this is just kind of very reminiscent
Speaker 3: of other locations That i've experienced and heard about in the.
Speaker 3: Past usually in a very similar setup as what you
Speaker 3: guys are talking, about these type of campground.
Speaker 4: Areas, yeah and this is the most remote campground in the,
Speaker 4: area the class one before you get to the. Wilderness
Speaker 4: so so you, know literally across the creek is The
Speaker 4: Salmo Priests. Wilderness and as will As david said, Earlier
Speaker 4: will so it has a hypothesis based on where he's encountered,
Speaker 4: things you, know a mile and a half down the
Speaker 4: road or two miles down the road that up up
Speaker 4: in that. Hill they may be staying in caves or
Speaker 4: old mines or something like. That obviously nobody, knows but
Speaker 4: just across the creek from the last campground on the
Speaker 4: roads the sound Of priest builders so very.
Speaker 3: Interesting at least you mentioned that road where you guys
Speaker 3: went and checked out that historic site that was old
Speaker 3: copper mines with some.
Speaker 5: Buildings, yeah it was down By camp. Sixteen it was
Speaker 5: further down for just A Sullivan lake.
Speaker 3: Area is that a location where like a lot of
Speaker 3: people go to look at it and.
Speaker 5: STUFF i don't. Know it looked like there was some
Speaker 5: information on a board there and, stuff but the road
Speaker 5: itself was gated off at that. Time SO i don't
Speaker 5: know if they opened up a certain times of the
Speaker 5: year and people go up, There but at that time
Speaker 5: we just parked at the gate and walked all the way.
Speaker 5: In did you notice any trash cans up? There? NO i.
Speaker 4: Didn't, NO i didn't need.
Speaker 3: It usually they have trash cans if there's a lot
Speaker 3: of people that travel to the.
Speaker 4: Area Like david, said they kind of had an information,
Speaker 4: sign and then when you got closer to the buildings and,
Speaker 4: said there was kind of a warning these are historical,
Speaker 4: buildings please Don't, yeah The Jase memmer and stuff like.
Speaker 4: That but, NO i don't remember any trash.
Speaker 3: Cans how far is that location from the uh the
Speaker 3: rain collection station you were talking.
Speaker 5: About, well the ring collection was only about thirty thirty
Speaker 5: yards up on the ridge from our. Camped the copper
Speaker 5: mine trail that we went up was about a mile
Speaker 5: and a half two miles Down Persulting. Lake i'm just
Speaker 5: thinking about the thumping.
Speaker 4: Sound oh, yeah, HEY i guess it could be a
Speaker 4: bit loud, enough you, know sound carried at, night so.
Speaker 5: Uh you, know, yeah that would be a long way's. Way,
Speaker 5: yeah The will recorded the same sound from his. Camp
Speaker 5: he put on one of his. VIDEOS i just heard
Speaker 5: it today and mine was. Louder SO i think the
Speaker 5: direction of where it's coming from was further to the
Speaker 5: northeast from our. Camp Because will's was, soft was was
Speaker 5: quieter than, mine and he picked up the scene found
Speaker 5: on his.
Speaker 3: Canel it just sounds, like, uh for sure that THAT.
Speaker 5: I, mean this is all. Speculation.
Speaker 3: Disclaimer this part will probably be edited, out But i'm
Speaker 3: going to say that the Tan one is a century
Speaker 3: that watches that campsite, area and you guys are encountering
Speaker 3: it every, year AND i think that others moved through
Speaker 3: that area and that's why that sentry is there.
Speaker 4: Well and the moving, through you, know makes sense with
Speaker 4: What david had heard with The Sarah towns the year.
Speaker 4: Before something had moved through the camp and he heard
Speaker 4: at LEAST i think you, said at least three different.
Speaker 4: Individuals is that, Right? David, yeah so, yeah it very.
Speaker 4: Well maybe maybe a trackway for, them that's very.
Speaker 3: Possible if there was some way for you guys to
Speaker 3: go into that area and try to race to that
Speaker 3: spot where you found those pine bows on that overlook
Speaker 3: and try to beat it to that, spot you might see.
Speaker 4: One, yeah here's the thing it probably took. Us this
Speaker 4: thing was at about a forty or fifty degree. Angle
Speaker 4: it probably took us twenty minutes to get up to that. Time, now,
Speaker 4: yeah and you, know obviously they're more athletics than we.
Speaker 4: Are twenty, minutes they have enough warning to be, gone you,
Speaker 4: Know i'm sure if they. Were if one was sitting,
Speaker 4: there it saw coming from almost literally a mile, away you,
Speaker 4: know in the AS i said, that you could see
Speaker 4: a portion of the, meadow of the portion in the,
Speaker 4: meadow and that's Where david AND i were, camped And
Speaker 4: will came and got us as. Possible it even Saw
Speaker 4: will come get us and then pretty sener hurt us
Speaker 4: kind of stopping up the, hill and it could have
Speaker 4: been five miles away by the time we got up.
Speaker 3: There, well like how you guys were earlier talking, about you,
Speaker 3: know your original trip to The Gifford pinchot and hearing
Speaker 3: the out and the similarities with the owl stuff going,
Speaker 3: on the same exact thing goes on here In oklahoma
Speaker 3: and other parts of the Southern United, States, Texas, Mississippi
Speaker 3: alabama for, Sure, Tennessee arkansas also with Bart, Owl's so
Speaker 3: there's definitely something going on it's not just. COINCIDENCE i
Speaker 3: don't know what it. IS i don't know what it,
Speaker 3: is but there's there's something with the. Owls AND i
Speaker 3: will say that in a particular location In, oklahoma we
Speaker 3: definitely thought that they were in this particular campground that
Speaker 3: they were following the raccoons in at. Night the raccoons
Speaker 3: would come in and like you, know raid campsites and
Speaker 3: trash cans and, stuff and, right there were a few
Speaker 3: times where it seemed like activity kind of followed the
Speaker 3: raccoons into the. Campsites which the idea that something that
Speaker 3: large would use such small animals to try and conceal
Speaker 3: itself or mask its location seems kind of. Ridiculous BUT
Speaker 3: i don't, know just little THINGS i take mental note
Speaker 3: of over the.
Speaker 4: Years, well it's definitely been our experience the three times
Speaker 4: we've been to Just metal vand like you, said the one,
Speaker 4: time WHICH i think is like two hundred and fifty
Speaker 4: miles away give it, takes so, YEAH i mean we've
Speaker 4: we've heard weird noises and activity too that all followed
Speaker 4: what sounded like bar owls or even weird bartels or
Speaker 4: Weird so we've definitely our limited experience found that.
Speaker 3: Too so do you guys got plans to return or
Speaker 3: is Is will going to be doing ongoing? RESEARCH i hope, so, well, yeah.
Speaker 4: We'll we'll only leave about an hour and a half,
Speaker 4: away so he he periodically goes all. Over he has
Speaker 4: multiple spots that he goes, to so it's not just
Speaker 4: Up Sulivan creek And i'm sure he'll be up. There,
Speaker 4: Yeah david AND i we were talking about. That we
Speaker 4: we had so much activity at at The Sulivan creek
Speaker 4: area that it's hard not to go back To Gypsy.
Speaker 4: Meadows interestingly, enough the night that, YOU i And david
Speaker 4: were all what was a good night to do this?
Speaker 4: Interview we finally pinned down a day and. Time two hours,
Speaker 4: later the guy who was on Your Stupham valley podcast
Speaker 4: number one fifty one texted me and he, said, hey
Speaker 4: what are you And david doing in the. Springtime we're
Speaker 4: going to get a few guys together to go here
Speaker 4: a Good gifford and do some. Expressions so we might
Speaker 4: join that trip as.
Speaker 3: WELL i Think david might have to find a place.
Speaker 3: CLOSER i don't know If candy is going to wait
Speaker 3: a year to go back to places, Well i'll tell,
Speaker 3: you you.
Speaker 4: Know you.
Speaker 2: Know that's.
Speaker 4: Last, Well david's even taking about along third, doorway aren't.
Speaker 5: You david going? Where? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so my my
Speaker 5: Son cody is a total skeptic and thinks that we're
Speaker 5: what you, know whack whack doctors out in the. Woods
Speaker 5: but he wants us to come out Of South carolina
Speaker 5: and take him out so he can hear these sounds
Speaker 5: and we keep saying or hearing and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of the movie research about.
Speaker 4: That In.
Speaker 5: Georgia they're having a lot of settings out in That
Speaker 5: North Georgia tennessee area we're thinking, of we're thinking of
Speaker 5: that area for a trip With.
Speaker 4: Cody, well, Well cody doesn't. Understand we've been extremely. Fortunate
Speaker 4: most people don't go out four times and have something
Speaker 4: happened every single, time and probably the next twenty times
Speaker 4: we go somewhere we didn't have things. Happened but you,
Speaker 4: know he PARTLY i think he think that he thinks
Speaker 4: we're crazy is just because all this stuff that has.
Speaker 4: Happened but you, KNOW i don't know how fine of
Speaker 4: the things that we've we've we've, seen we've, heard we've,
Speaker 4: smelled we've got thrown at. Us you, know we've been in.
Speaker 4: Touched we've been extremely fortunate to our four trips to
Speaker 4: have crazy things happen every single.
Speaker 5: TIME i had been contacted by a local couple of
Speaker 5: hunters and they want to get together with me and
Speaker 5: tell me their. Story but they have errogat these, days really.
Speaker 5: Active it's closer to, years so your answer TO i
Speaker 5: find something closer might might come into effect. Too, well
Speaker 5: once you get, hooked it's it's hard to get.
Speaker 4: On, yeah it.
Speaker 5: Is Luckily curtis is retired and he has all the
Speaker 5: time to go and do all this research on. YouTube
Speaker 5: i'm still. Working but aren't you In? ARIZONA i, am.
Speaker 4: SO i usually fly To. Sacramento david drives and two
Speaker 4: hours To, sacramento and then we drive forty more hours
Speaker 4: To Gypsy. Metal so it's a sixteen hour drive For
Speaker 4: david and a fourteen hour drive in a two hour
Speaker 4: plane trip for. Me, yeah it's a little hard to get.
Speaker 4: There it's a little way to get, there but every
Speaker 4: time it's been worth.
Speaker 5: It well they are In.
Speaker 3: Arizona, Yeah, Yeah i've Had i've had a few people
Speaker 3: on the show From arizona and Especially New, mexico The
Speaker 3: Four corners. Region there's lots of activity around. There these
Speaker 3: things just seem to be pretty much, everywhere, yep which
Speaker 3: also adds to the. Strangeness, yes it does, well. GUYS
Speaker 3: i appreciate you coming On, candy thanks for joining them
Speaker 3: and sharing your. Experiences i've enjoyed hearing about. It and, uh,
Speaker 3: yeah you guys need to keep me in the.
Speaker 5: Loop you know you started the.
Speaker 3: STORY i want TO i want to hear how it.
Speaker 5: Finishes, yeah definitely an ongoing rabbit.
Speaker 3: Hole if you've had your own experience With bigfoot or
Speaker 3: something you can't explain and you'd like to share your
Speaker 3: story on the, podcast email me At Bigfoot crossroads at
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Speaker 3: merchandise everything you need all in one. Place and until next,
Speaker 3: time remember there's something in the.
Speaker 5: Woods