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Speaker 1: And it was just starting to get light outside.

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Speaker 2: And I was laying there on my laying on my.

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Speaker 1: Right side, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Looking at David.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I just had something pushed right in,

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touched my left side and just kind of pushed came.

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Speaker 2: Right back out.

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Speaker 1: I immediately started shaking David and telling him, you know, David, David,

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you know, something just touched me.

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Speaker 2: Something just touched me.

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Speaker 1: It was not the nose of an animal. I have

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a pretty good sized hand for a female, and I

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would say it felt flat and about the same side

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as my hand.

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Speaker 3: If you listen to Bigfoot Crossroads, you may remember episode

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one thirty seven, I think it was called Sasquatch Meadow,

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where I talked to a couple of lifelong friends, Curtis

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and David, about some of their experiences revolving around their

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interest in Bigfoot. Well, they're back, and David's brought along

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his wife Candy to share some of their experiences from

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this past year and to find out what has happened

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in almost exactly a year. It's crazy, guys, welcome back.

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You've had quite a year in between shows. I feel

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like it's just a couple of bookends to your life

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from my perspective, but you guys have had a lot going.

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Speaker 4: On, yeah, we have. Thanks for having us again, Matt.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, thanks Matt. It's been it definitely has

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been an interesting year.

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Speaker 3: So let's rewind back to one specific thing that I

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think kind of stands out in my mind. You guys

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talked about a guy named Will Olmer, and you had

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reached out to him but hadn't heard anything back, and

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you're really hoping he would respond and everything, And now

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you guys have gone out into the field with.

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Speaker 4: Him, yeah, twice. So if you, I'm sure you remember

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that we were introduced to you through Jonathan Brown right

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after I had commented on one of his videos in

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Sarah's videos that we had something similar to an occurrence

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that occurred in one of their videos. And after a

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couple of conversations, he reached out to us to eventually

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film a video in near Gypsy Meadows with he and Sarah,

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and then obviously he introduced us to you and we

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were on your As You Said podcast number one thirty seven,

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and in the meantime, he and Sarah contacted Will, and

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Will came in on the trip in June, and then

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as It turns out David and I were planning on

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going back in August, the last week of August, which

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we got back just a couple of weeks ago, and

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David invited Will on and he came. So we've now

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spent a couple of trips at Gypsy Meadows with Will.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm sure you guys discussed it, David, did your

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notes kind of line up with Will's notes on the areas?

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Speaker 5: He had never been to Gypsy Meadows before that, he

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had wanted to always go there, and the other YouTuber

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went up there, Marshall White, he had wanted to go

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there also, so Will had invited him up to that

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trip in June. But he had he'd been in the

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in the campsites down below that going down to Sullivan

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Lake quite a bet, and they'd had quite a few,

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you know, videos and documentation from down that area. But

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in Gypsy Knows he hadn't been there before, but was

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excited to come there for that for that trip. There

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are definitely a lot of things that happened to him

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that he told us about, and it did, you know,

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a lot of go along with what we had, you know,

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we had found, you know, on our trips to These

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last two trips with him had been pretty good, you know, together,

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you know, being there and experiencing these some of these

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things together and it's been pretty amazing.

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Speaker 3: Is it starting to pay in a picture of the

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activity in the area with you know his experien answer

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is that he's had down below there and now the

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stuff going on there. Are you starting to be able

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to kind of put in the missing pieces of how

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it's working there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he thinks it's coming from a you know, into

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the wilderness area. There's a mountain across the creek that

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goes up. He thinks are coming from there and they're

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crossing over and coming through that area. He says, this there,

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that area, Gypsy Meadows has been you know, as active

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or more active than almost every other area he's you know,

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he's been at. So he's been excited to come back there.

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Speaker 3: Curtis, I wanted to ask you about the owls.

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Speaker 4: The owls.

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Speaker 3: There seems to be something pretty interesting happening at this

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location involving owls. Would you mind explaining kind of what's

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this last August trip, weird stuff seems to happen around

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owl calls, and you know, the barn owl is definitely

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around there, and you know, perhaps a lot, if not

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most of what we heard were bart owl calls. But

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back in twenty twenty four, bart owl calls seem to

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sort of disintegrate after a minute or two and they

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turned into woops. So we've had a lot of time

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to think about it since then. Either, you know, our

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theories are one of three. Either at all bart owl's

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and we're completely mistaken, but that wouldn't explain the wops.

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with the bart owl calls as well, and that would

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not explain that. Our second theory is that sasquatch is

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mimicking the owls and then at some point starts other

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vocalizations that you know, kind of reach out to others

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across on different parts of the mountains around the meadow.

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Speaker 6: And then the third one is that you know, maybe

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they're not mimicking, maybe they're just using the owls to

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try to mask their calls, and they wait for the

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owl to finish, and then then.

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Speaker 4: They make loops and other calls. So you know, either

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if as long as we're not completely mistaken and they're

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not all owls, it does show some level of intelligence.

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sort of cover up their their own calls.

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Speaker 3: So kind of walk us through your your first trip

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back to the meadow this year.

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Speaker 5: It was really good, you know, Curtis, Like Curtis said,

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John Start wanted to film us, so we tried to

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coordinate with them, and we figured out probably the best

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time would have been in this this last spring. The

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snow that was up there was you know, pretty pick

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so we didn't get to go up until June, you know,

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this last back when we went back up there. But

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we went up there, you know, like Kers said, you know,

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Sarah and Jonathan invited you know, Will Homer. He was

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Grassman fifty eight you know on YouTube, and I guess

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the reason she said, you know, that was kind of

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his area of research, and he also had a lot

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of stories she wanted to interview him about also, so

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he was he was willing to do that, and that's

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when he invited Marshall, and we also met Marshall White

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and his YouTube channel was Bushcraft Explorer. And then another

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friend of his came up, Aaron West. So we all

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got together and we basically took over the whole meadow

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and all the campsites in that area. Will and Marshall

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on Friday at that time. So we had such a

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long trip for us that we decided, you know, hey,

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let's go up earlier. You know, we're going to drive

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two thousand miles, so we might as well, you know,

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go up and maybe do something in Oregon before we

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go up. And so we decided to go up and

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maybe you know, head to Mount Hood or do something

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in that area. My wife Candy had an interest and

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big fly with my interest, you know, just everything I've

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been watching, and she wanted to go on the trip.

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would go too, but she couldn't you know, come until

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later in a week. So we scheduled her to fly

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and to Spokane and we picked her up. But I

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might let Candy describe, you know, how she got interested

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Speaker 1: I would say for me, it's been all the years

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for watching the bfro guys and other videos that David

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seems to like like to watch around here about so

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two or three hours a day, and so it kind

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of sparked my interest. I you know, you see a

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lot of them when you you listen to their stories,

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and sometimes you're just like, you know, that just sounds

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kind of hokey, and I'm not so sure, you know,

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I can believe in this. And you know, you have

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the hundred questions, you know, hock they've never caught one hock,

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they've never found one, the bones, you know, all the

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questions like that that seems everybody kind of tends to

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have when you start talking about Bigfoot to anybody. I

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love camping, so I really wanted to go. I wanted

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to see what all the hubub was and just get

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out and experience it with my own eyes and my

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own ears.

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that we decided to probably go around amount could. But

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on the way up, David and Jonathan were texting, and

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Jonathan had told us that Sarah had just been in

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a campground in the Gifford Tinshow National Forest on Wednesday

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and Thursday, and we were driving up on Saturday, and

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while she was there, she heard a number of vocalizations

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that Jonathan actually sent us a recording of that that

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we heard, and she the people who were there were

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sort of surrounded by things in the campground that were

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doing various vocalizations. So he gave us the name of

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the campground and we decided to kind of go there.

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go there. And as it turns out, apparently Jonathan told

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us later that after Sarah had left and right before

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called Jonathan and said that with all the vocalizations that

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Sarah had heard, after she left the next night, he

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was sitting in his trailer and he started hearing monkey

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chatter right outside his trailer. So because of all of that,

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we decided to go to the campground first before we

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hit Jesse Meadows.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so on the you know, on the way up,

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we're driving up there, we decided to stop by the

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North American Bigfoot you know museum that Cliff has up

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there in Portland, and that is pretty amazing because they

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have all the everything present, has done really well all

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the major the evidence and prints that we've all seen

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there there and so I mean, I suggest anyone who's interested,

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you know, go there and see. That's pretty good. But

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that first night camp and we met the camp host,

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you know, and he verified to us that yeah, he'd

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heard that monkey chatter back behind their camp and the

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latest was his wife had heard again that same type

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of clatter the night before we arrived while she was

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watching TV. So our first night we heard a vocalization

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at around twelve thirty and one in the morning, and

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they came from across the road. But they again were

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like bard owls. They would begin, then they would change

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and became a high pitched owl. We're screamed. So we

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got them a recorder and because Sarah had sent us

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the recording of what she had heard, we listened and

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started comparing it and it seemed to match one of

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her sounds, you know, almost exactly. So that was kind

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of interesting for us to see it.

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where we were in different Pinchot for us is probably

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two hundred maybe three hundred miles from fifty Meadows, and

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yet in both places the bar owls into play a role.

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road from the campground and we found a forest service

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road that we decided to take, and about a mile

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or an now and a half up the road, and

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we hadn't seen any cars or anything. This was a

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weekday and I don't even know if the schools were

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a drug store parking lot. It looked like maybe a

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place where the Forest Service used to put an equipment

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a huge cleared out area, and David pulled into it

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because on the side of the cleared out area there

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were some soccer dirt berms where all the dirt had

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we started locking. The first thing I noticed at the

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end of the cleared out area was an X structure. Now,

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you know, it may have been natural, it may not

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have been. But we got closer and right in the

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middle of the cleared out area, something or somebody had

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placed a log, because everything had been cleared out except

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you know, this one log. On top of the log,

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there were four rocks that were stacked on top of

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each other, and then on top of that was a

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branch that was balancing. And you know, I'm not saying

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this couldn't have been done by a person, but it

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was interesting. It was essentially right at the level where

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the X was. And then David started searching close to

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the X on the softer dirt. He ended up finding

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two fourteen inch prints with a fifty inch step length

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right there, and so we ended up scanning those with

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our scanner, and then David was going to cast them,

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so he went to get his casting staff, and while

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he was doing this up on the ridge above us,

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I started hearing and I couldn't tell what was being said,

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but it sounded like women talking back and forth. And

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this probably lasted for about thirty or forty sect and

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David heard it as well, and Candy may have heard

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it as well. And there were no roads going up

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to that ridge that we could tell or trails, and

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this was on a forest service road, so that was

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kind of interesting, well, being ready to hear lady chatter

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that we couldn't quite tell what was being said, so

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kind of almost I don't know if it was a

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foreign language or we just couldn't I couldn't hear it

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loud enough. But it was just a strange occurrence you

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all associated with this area where the print and the

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little structure in the middle of the cleared out area,

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and then obviously the X structure was close to it.

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Speaker 3: Candy, what was your take on all this as it

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was happening, because, I mean, this is all new to you,

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and here's a couple of guys just oh, listen those

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owls and there's some sticks, So like, what were you

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thinking when there were all this was happening.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, the logic is like, no, you know,

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a human had to do that.

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Speaker 2: That just had to be a human. But then the more.

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Speaker 1: You walk around and the more you see things, the

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hearing of the strange things that you just you just

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can't seem to well, I don't really know what that is.

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Speaker 2: It sounds different. It's odd.

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Speaker 1: We're out in the middle of nowhere. And so while

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David had found the two prints on the side of

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the hill and the Princes were actually coming down towards

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the little road that we had driven up on, I

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decided to walk straight across to the other side of

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the road and.

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Speaker 2: I actually found two more prints.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And I had them come over and they measured them,

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looked at them, and they I believe they were the

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exact same link, correct, David, Yeah, they were.

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Speaker 5: It was kind of resting that she was exciting for

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her to find. Now she's found something, you know, and

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that helps her in her journey, you know all that.

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So I went back and I was casting the best

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print I could find on the other side of where

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and she found them and I think I sent you

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a scan of that print, yeah, you know, for that

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and stuff. But that was kind of exciting for Candy

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to find that.

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Speaker 1: So the answer to your question. Every it just seemed

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like almost every hour and then another hour, there would

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be something.

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Speaker 2: That would be teasing me a little bit.

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Speaker 1: More and a little bit more and a little bit more,

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and it just it actually made me where, Okay, what's

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going to happen next? I was looking forward to the

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next night, the next day. It would be coming very interesting.

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Speaker 3: I have never heard anyone use that word before to

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describe it.

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Speaker 5: Teasing.

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Speaker 3: That is a very good word to describe it, because

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that's exactly how it happens. Just like you're saying, you

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just get these little teases that just keep you hooked.

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And I can't help but think, you know, for people

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out there who say that, you know, while I've been

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in the woods all my life and I've never heard

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or seen anything, and you know, these things couldn't be

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out there, I honestly think it's just like you were

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talking about. It's whenever you start paying attention to those

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things instead of just writing them off as oh, well,

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it was probably just a person. Yeah, you can just

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think that and go about your day and it is

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just a person. But if you really start thinking about

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it and start examining the location and thinking about it

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from a logical way, you start realizing like, well, now,

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hold on, it could have been a person, but it

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probably wasn't a person. Those fifty inch strides. Uh, you

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said the the footprints were fifty inches apart.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was. There are sixteen sixteen inches

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in length and five and you know, five inches wide

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and then with that, from the first step to the

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next step we measured out at fifty inches.

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Speaker 3: And those are going downhill.

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Speaker 4: Down the hill, so it's probably on flat ground, not

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quite as quite as far, but still it's pretty big.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. You know, it wasn't like a real

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steep angle, but I'd say, you know, probably about it,

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you know, half a foot elevation change from one one

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footprint to the.

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Speaker 3: Other and coming from the direction of the wilderness towards

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the road.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this area was it was like a cleared out,

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a cleared out area in the middle of the forest.

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So there was like a mountain on you know, ridge

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on the side that was coming from and then the

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open area with the soft dirt and the road and

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then the softer side and then it went back into forest.

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So it's kind of like a rectangle cleared out right

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in the middle of the forest. And so there was

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no other roads coming into that area. It was just

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like I go, hey, let's go check that area out.

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Speaker 3: You know, was there any signs of like vehicles or

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anything out there that you guys could.

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Speaker 5: Tell that area was. There were signs of vehicles that people,

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you know, the trucks had been driving up and down

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when they harbor seen the wood from there that it was,

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you know, all old stuff, and there was nothing above

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it for anyone to go. You know, it was just

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up the side of the side of the hill.

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Speaker 4: And just to kind of kind of put the area

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in perspective, I'm sure most people have heard the story

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of the two big footers who passed away on Christmas Eve,

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and this was essentially the exact same area. It was

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essentially just across the road and maybe a mile from

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where those two guys passed way this last Christmas. So

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it's a known active spot in the area.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we can make note of that. That's not giving

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too much information away. I don't think they ever released

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the exact location, details of where they found their bodies

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or anything, but that area was known to bigfooters already

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as an active area and has had activity since then

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obviously with just what you guys are here talking about

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it right now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, some of the locals we had talked

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to a couple of BFR people when we were up

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there and they had done some They were having a

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camp camp out the next weekend that they were up there,

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kind of prepping for that, and Jonathan got us to

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talking to them. He told us that they'd be up

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there and they had done some research talking to locals.

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In fact, one of the locals I think was on

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your podcast one fifty one and they called the area

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Scupham Valley and supermunt and uh, you know, the locals

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told the b f R O there are a number

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of Sasquatch in the area, and most of them are

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pretty docile, but one of them, one of the males,

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is known as an Honery Sabsquatch, and he often tried

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to you know, throw rocks at tents and tried to

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bluff charge and get people to leave the area. So

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whether that had anything to do with the the two

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unfortunate guys or not, you know, nobody knows. But it

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is just kind of interesting that the locals say there

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is a mean sasquatch in the area.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think I had heard the same thing, something about

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a certain area not to go into for sure near

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there at a certain either at night or a certain

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time of year or something like that, which you, you

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find that fairly often actually these areas where they're known

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to be. It seems like sometimes there's two different groups

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or two different types of behavior going on in the

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same area whenever you talk to locals, if you get

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access to locals with that sort of information. But again,

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like you said, I don't want to imply anything. I'm

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not saying that Bigfoot had anything to do with the

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tragedy of those two guys losing their lives or anything.

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It just all seems kind of odd. And then whenever

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you take into consideration the stories from the area, it's

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worth noting always be careful whenever you're out there poking

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around messing.

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Speaker 5: With these things. Yeah, definitely with that that well, the

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other thing that we found, you know, you get that

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a little bit. With the well, my cast I was

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casting that let it harden. We went up further on

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the road and I found a structure on the right

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and I think I sent you a picture of that,

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And what I was caught my eye was that all

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the big branch, the big part of the branches, were

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up and the smalls down. And I go over there

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and look and they're like jammed in the ground, leaning

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against his tree, and I find another you know, a

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game trouble on right around and making a right hand

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turn at this structure, and I follow that down the

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road and there was another X structure across the road

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from that. So it seemed like these things are like signs,

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you know, as markers for these guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really weird. You seem to find them just

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by coincidence in areas that have bigfoot activity reported.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. But so we we had gone down this

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road where, you know, a local had told us where

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that activity had happened at Christmas even. We went down

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that road and Curtis was walking ahead of us about

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one hundred yards, but then Candy hadn't experienced there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we were walking through.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was I would say maybe we were maybe

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one hundred hundred feet one hundred fifty feet maybe from

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the road. And Curtis had told me, hey, Candy, do

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a whistle. So I said, all right, So I whistled,

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and within a matter of maybe three seconds, we got

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a response. So I did it again, same response. So

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then they're like, okay, do it one more time. So

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I did it for a third time, got another response

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and it copied my whistle.

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Speaker 2: I didn't just whistle back, I whistled. I did like.

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Speaker 1: And I did it three times and each time it

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whistled exactly the.

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Speaker 2: Same back at us. Wow, that was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 5: I mean, what does that?

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Speaker 7: I was like, this is someone who's one of their

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pet paris or something out there, you know, I don't know,

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but it was definitely mimicking me.

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Speaker 4: And just to put that in perspective, we've we had

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driven back on another side road when that happened, and

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we were probably a mile and a half to two

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miles in and we never passed another person. Like I said,

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this was the first week of June. I'm not sure

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many people were out camping, so could have been a person,

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I suppose, But as I said, we never saw anybody,

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and if it was a person, they were wandering through

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the wilderness.

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Speaker 8: So, I mean, people don't want that, right exactly, if

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I'm out in the woods and I hear somebody whistling,

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I'm not copying their whistle and doing it back at though.

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Speaker 4: Right exactly exactly the day I found something interesting as

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we were driving out.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think Kandy was a little excited that

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she kind of was surprised that she got those whistles back,

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but it was kind of getting dark, so we decided

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to leave. And on the way out, I saw a

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tree break on the right hand side of the road,

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and I was like, called it. So I stopped and

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got out and was you know, went over to start

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looking on it. Soon as I got over by the tree,

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all of a sudden, I just got this feeling I

481
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,519
need my gun. And so I come walking back to

482
00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:44,839
the truck. What's going on? And I said, I just

483
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,759
need my gun, and so I got it to the

484
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:50,960
back molster. I'd taken it out while I was driving,

485
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,279
and walked back and started investigating, and Curtis got out

486
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,000
and then we look at this tree break and I

487
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,119
think I sent you pictures of that, and it was

488
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,319
pretty fresh tree break. It's still, you know, not a

489
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,039
lot of leaves on it, but had some green leaves

490
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:07,720
at the you know, the end of the pork that

491
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,640
was broken. And so then I started wing around as

492
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,400
a game trail leaving that, and we walked back in

493
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,880
there and found a small meadow and I could see

494
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,160
where something large had walked through the meadow.

495
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:19,319
Speaker 4: You know.

496
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 5: I tramped down grafts and stuff, and I was like, yeah,

497
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,480
I got my gun, you know, on here, but that

498
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:32,480
was just a few hundred yards you know from where

499
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:37,559
Candy had been whistling, and so that was an interesting

500
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,160
find on the way out.

501
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 4: Put that in perspective, you know, for your listeners. I've

502
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,839
known David for fifty five years, and I've never seen

503
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,880
him get that kind of feeling. He's six four, he's

504
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,160
a black built in karate. I've seen him, you know,

505
00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:56,519
just kind of get intween people in there fighting and

506
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,079
just you know, stop a fight just with a look.

507
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:03,119
And you know, that doesn't mean that he could handle

508
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,759
a big foot off a bigfoot decided to attack us

509
00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:10,000
by any means. But for David to get a feeling

510
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:14,079
that he needed his gun, most people probably wouldn't be

511
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,960
impressed by that. But that really impressed me because, like

512
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,039
I said, I don't think he's ever had a feeling

513
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,359
like that in his whole life.

514
00:31:22,599 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 3: He said, the grass was like trump down in the field.

515
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,839
My brain is just trying to process that. That would

516
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
have had to have been a fairly short amount of time.

517
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I tried to look, you know, I'm

518
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,440
really tracking is one thing I like I try to do,

519
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,200
you know, So I was looking forward. It was you know,

520
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,720
you can see in certain things, you can see shine, right,

521
00:31:47,839 --> 00:31:51,960
you know when it's fresh, and it was you see it.

522
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,559
It didn't happen that long before, and you couldn't see

523
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,640
Prince in it or anything like that, but it was

524
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,519
definitely trail going through this small meadow. It was. It

525
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:06,200
wasn't like a big meadow. It's probably twenty yards wide

526
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:10,079
by maybe thirty yards long. Curtis, what do you say.

527
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't big, but yeah, there was

528
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,480
definitely something that had been there walk that way.

529
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, relatively recently and all of this and you guys

530
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,519
haven't even really gotten a camp yet.

531
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 5: Hadn't gotten yet.

532
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, and there's even you know, I hate to

533
00:32:31,079 --> 00:32:33,839
say it, but there's even more in Gifford Pinchot. I mean,

534
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,920
we ended up going the next day up another forest

535
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,799
service road. David can tell you about that.

536
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,839
Speaker 5: So, yeah, we're still we're still in the Gift Show

537
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,119
forest and so we had another day. So the next

538
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,400
day we go up when we drive another forest road.

539
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,799
Because we enjoyed what we did today before and all

540
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,960
the stuff we found, so we go and we find

541
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:05,200
this old road. It was awesome, and it was awesome road.

542
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,799
I mean, but there was a gi was gated off,

543
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,359
so like the road was you know, old, and the

544
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,279
grass was you know, it was like growing up and

545
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,440
overgrown and things like that. You could walk down it,

546
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,440
but there was no trees and it was pretty easy

547
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,119
to walk down it. So it went for about would

548
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,880
you go about a mile up that area. Yeah, And

549
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,039
so we're walking along and as we're walking along, we

550
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,880
usually try to I call it practical walk in the curtis,

551
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,279
you know, will stay in one spot and look, listen

552
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,519
and watch while I walk ahead about twenty yards and

553
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,640
then I stopped and he comes back up and I'm looking,

554
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,319
listening and watching while we do that, and he heard

555
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:50,759
something interesting as me and Candy were walking forward. Well

556
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,000
let them say tell you that.

557
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was probably five times in a row.

558
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,640
We kind of gave a called it tactical walking. I

559
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,359
kind of call it leap frogging. We kind of but

560
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,480
like you said, one of us will walk, one of

561
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:09,360
us will stay and then listen. And every single time

562
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,880
that David and Candy walked forward, and it didn't seem

563
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,239
to happen from what they said. When I walked forward.

564
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,800
But so maybe it had something to do with candy

565
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,440
being there. I don't know. But every single time, for

566
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:24,920
about five or six times in a row, they would

567
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,559
walk forward, and there was a ridge right above us,

568
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,519
probably thirty feet high, and I heard something every single time.

569
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,079
As soon as they took off, it took off as

570
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:41,679
well and essentially paralleled them along this road. And then

571
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,840
we started hearing some other crazy things. We heard rock

572
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,599
clacks and a few other things. And then David had

573
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,119
an idea of going back to his interest in Native

574
00:34:54,159 --> 00:35:00,039
American culture, and he was trying some things. Once I

575
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:01,440
I had caught up with him, I told him that

576
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,039
they're being parallel. He decided to try something interesting.

577
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:11,039
Speaker 5: So the last few months before you know this trip,

578
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960
and people always ask me and say, what are you

579
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,559
going to do because you're getting close, what are you

580
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:17,400
going to do when you run into one you know

581
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,119
you're gonna run, You're gonna you know what's going to happen?

582
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,079
And my answer is, I want to communicate. They want

583
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,760
to try to communicate. And then I asked myself, how

584
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,599
how are you going to do that? What are you

585
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,840
going to do? And with my Native American history, I

586
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,679
started thinking and what came to my mind was if

587
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
these things have been around and all the Native American

588
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,000
tribes in the in the country have different names for Sasquatch,

589
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,239
They've interacted with them, they traded with them, they had,

590
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:51,079
you know, names for them, then they maybe these Sasquatches

591
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,440
have watched Indians because Indians communicate with each other with

592
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,159
sign language, and it's a it's a losing trade of

593
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,920
Native American sign language. So the last few months, you know,

594
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,880
there wasn't laughing at me or whatever, but I've been

595
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,440
studying Native American sign language and trying to learn that,

596
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,559
and so when I'm in the forest with that happening,

597
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:14,119
I try to, you know, I do Native American sign

598
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,519
language to the woods, to the forest, thinking that maybe

599
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:20,159
they're watching, and then maybe they can you see that

600
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,920
I'm trying to communicate with them. So that's that's what

601
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,800
I was I would I tried to do when we

602
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,519
heard that they were paralleling someone's parallelicness. I was doing

603
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,199
some communication with Native American sign language.

604
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 3: I mean, that's better than pushing candy towards the sound.

605
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

606
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:47,519
Speaker 1: Considered debate that I took that on quite willingly well, and.

607
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: Like I said, it didn't happen when I would leap

608
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,639
frog them. It only happened when DANGD and Candy walk forward,

609
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,119
So that is is kind of interesting.

610
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 3: I find the sign language thing interesting because, like you

611
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,400
were saying, you know, the different tribes had different languages,

612
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:10,840
obviously different dialects and everything, but at one time they

613
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,400
had to be able to communicate with other tribes that

614
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,800
didn't speak their language or whatever, and there was kind

615
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:20,280
of a universal sign language that all the tribes shared,

616
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:26,480
especially in geographic areas. And if you study language and culture,

617
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:33,320
sign language happens before spoken language. So it stands to

618
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,840
reason that if these things do have a language of

619
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,519
their own, which a lot of people theorize that they do,

620
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,519
that they would have also had some form of sign

621
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:47,760
language previous to that. And like you were saying, probably

622
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,840
at one time were able to somewhat communicate with the

623
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,079
Native Americans that they shared a home with. So yeah,

624
00:37:57,159 --> 00:38:02,679
I'm all down for the sign language attempt. Did it

625
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,920
produce any results?

626
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 5: I haven't seen results, I can say that, but you're

627
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:16,639
going to hear something later on that I questioned if

628
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:19,400
it caused a result, But we'll get to that when

629
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:25,000
we get to we get to Gypsy Meds and one last.

630
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,119
Speaker 4: Little thing that had happened at Gifford Pinchot to us,

631
00:38:29,039 --> 00:38:32,320
you know, and why we're so lucky to have all

632
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,639
these things happen, Like you said, maybe it's because we're

633
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:40,639
paying attention. But our last night there, we the campground

634
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:43,400
we were in sort of had a circular road that

635
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,039
went around the campground, and most of the campsites were

636
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,039
on the outside of the circle. There were a couple

637
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:51,440
on the inside, but nobody seemed to be camping there,

638
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,960
and we had heard a couple of knights in a row,

639
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,559
as they had said, some calls and whoops and one

640
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,639
one scream and the owls and that kind of thing.

641
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,079
Our last evening, it was right up around sundown and

642
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,280
some was just going down and we were all just

643
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,400
kind of sitting in our camp relaxing, and all of

644
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,039
a sudden we heard a whoop, and it seemed to

645
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:17,719
be very close like it was in the circular area

646
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,639
of the of the campground, which was agains for us,

647
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,199
and I would guess that the loop was maybe three

648
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,159
it's of a mile around, And as soon as we

649
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960
heard this whoop, we kind of looked at each other,

650
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:32,760
realizing that it was it was close. On the previous

651
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,400
calls we had heard that seemed to be coming from

652
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,039
the hilltop across the across the road, but this was

653
00:39:40,639 --> 00:39:44,480
maybe two hundred feet away, and so we all grabbed

654
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,519
our stuff and Candy and I went into one of

655
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:51,880
the open camp sites in that center portion, and David

656
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:59,280
started sort of slowly walking through the forest. And David

657
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,239
and I didn't really find anything in the campground, but

658
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:03,800
we went in there because it was open, we thought

659
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,239
we could look around, and we didn't find anything. So

660
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,880
I quickly backed out, realizing that David was going to

661
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,400
be walking across the center, and I kind of jogged

662
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,440
around at the opposite side, and Casey flushed something out,

663
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,079
and we probably looked around for about twenty minutes and

664
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:24,360
never found anything, and it didn't hear any more sound.

665
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,760
So either if it was in that center portion and

666
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,920
made that loud gup, it was either hunke or down

667
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,559
in hiding and we never found it, or we had

668
00:40:34,559 --> 00:40:37,280
flushed it out earlier. But that was sort of our

669
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,280
our last big thing in Gifford can show, except that

670
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:46,840
at three o'clock in the morning that night, David and

671
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,440
I have both heard something walking through our campground. As

672
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,440
it turned out, it never ended up on any of

673
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:56,119
our game came. So whether it was a bear, whether

674
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,320
it was a bear or something else, I don't know.

675
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:03,440
But something sort of walks between our two tenths, which

676
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:06,679
was which were about fifty feet apart. So those were

677
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:10,800
our experiences and different than show. And we haven't evenmitted

678
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,920
to Gypsy Meadows yet.

679
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 5: There was one thing that I didn't mention was that

680
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,400
when we were coming out of that road and remember

681
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,519
that Curtis, but we heard that rock clacking, you know,

682
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:25,760
when I grabbed two rocks and I clacked back.

683
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's n I.

684
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,079
Speaker 5: Got responded back three times, you know with my rock clacks,

685
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,000
and so like yep, there's something up there and it's

686
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,199
clacking rocks back. And every time I would clack a

687
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,039
certain number, you would come back and then so that

688
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:44,119
was exciting.

689
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,679
Speaker 3: And it was copying the number of clacks.

690
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just just like copying the whistles that

691
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Candy did.

692
00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:55,199
Speaker 5: Yeah.

693
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm trying to think, like, why would

694
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,719
a person be up there clacking rocks together. Obviously you

695
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,440
need hands to do that. If you were just hearing

696
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,800
something natural doing it. It wouldn't copy the number of

697
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,840
times that you did it.

698
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:15,679
Speaker 5: No, right, it was pretty cool.

699
00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would say I would stick that feather

700
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:21,719
in my hat for sure.

701
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,679
Speaker 5: All that's making Candy more excited pig.

702
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 4: So we finally on Wednesday morning drove to Gypsey Meadows.

703
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,840
This is our June trip. On the way, we picked

704
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,400
up my wife, Terry at the Spokane Airport. We kind

705
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,840
of got to Gypsey Meadows middle to late afternoon and

706
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,679
Will Olmer was there along with Marshall White, and then

707
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,719
their other friends Karen West came later that day. And

708
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,920
that night we were just kind of getting settled into

709
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,519
camp and they came over for a campfire, but not

710
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,800
a lot happened. But about one in the morning, I

711
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,320
was awakened by a knock that's kind of pretty close

712
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,800
to my camp. I kind of listened for a while,

713
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,119
and nothing else really happened. The next day, you know,

714
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,800
they had heard your interview with us, and so we

715
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,400
kind of showed them some of the areas where things

716
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,840
had happened to us in two thousand and twenty four.

717
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:27,400
And then that afternoon David was taking a nap and

718
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,079
something interesting happened to him.

719
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we had we had taken him up and

720
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:35,840
showed him where the X structure that we had seen

721
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,039
the year before was, and came back and we just

722
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,199
decided to go get in my hammock and take a

723
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,920
nap and just laying and all of a sudden, I

724
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,079
hear this thud of a rock like right behind my head.

725
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,440
It is like within within eight feet of me, and

726
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:56,920
I was like, who just threw that rock at me? So,

727
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,719
you know, And so I get up and look around,

728
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960
and I'm looking for this rock because I know that

729
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:05,719
I heard the thud. And all the rocks except for

730
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,000
this one that I found, they're all embedded in the

731
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:12,880
forest bed. You know, they got pine needles all around,

732
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,559
the dirt on them, you know, it's all like that.

733
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:17,320
But this one was totally clean, and it was right

734
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,679
where I thought I had heard this thud, so I

735
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,119
know that was the rock that had hit there. So

736
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,639
I pick up the rock and I throw it up

737
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:27,840
in the air to hear what it sounds like when

738
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,079
it lands again. And it sounded exactly like the thud

739
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:33,039
that I had heard, you know when I did it.

740
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,800
So I remembered your comment from our last and I

741
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,239
said Okay, I'm taking this home.

742
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

743
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,199
Speaker 5: I didn't take the pine cone, but I said that

744
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,320
reminded me I needed to take my trophy rome. So

745
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,039
I took that, and I sent you a picture of

746
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,679
it on my mantle.

747
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 2: It is now a decoration in my home.

748
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 3: Always fine whenever somebody unknowingly asked why do you have

749
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,360
this rock?

750
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:11,559
Speaker 4: But so.

751
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 5: Will Marshall and us. We had the whole meadow taken up,

752
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:18,119
you know, we had a spot for Sarah and Jonathan

753
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:22,400
when they come. But right before dinner, about you know,

754
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,760
thirty minutes, you know, from after I had the rock

755
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,719
thrown at me, Will and Marshall were sitting in Marshall's

756
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,039
camp and all of a sudden they hear these owl

757
00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,559
hoots go off, and then a real loud knock from

758
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,559
across the main road up the ridge where you know,

759
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,400
the previous year we'd heard something, you know, the Sarah

760
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,679
sounds had gone across the camp from where we were

761
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,719
camping this time and up the hill back in twenty

762
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,760
four and that's where they heard this. And Will comes

763
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:49,679
over to get us and said, hey, we're going to

764
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,400
head up and follow this. We just heard this loud

765
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,760
knock up there along with these owls bart owl sounds.

766
00:45:56,039 --> 00:45:58,760
So we grabbed our stuff and we went across there

767
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,679
and we had to go through some you know forest,

768
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,559
about two one hundred yards of forest to get up

769
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:08,679
to the main road from the camping area. And right

770
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,960
when we got up there on the main road, we

771
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:15,119
heard two low grunts that you know, like whoo whoo,

772
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:20,760
you know, and Marshall, you know, is right behind Marshall's

773
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,679
camp up in that area. So once you go across

774
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:26,880
the main road, we started climbing up the mountain and

775
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,880
about seventy five you know feed up the mountain, Will

776
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,559
found another X structure and this was kind of in

777
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:35,599
line where our X structure had been that we had

778
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:40,199
found the year before, and so we couldn't see it

779
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,440
from the road, but when we went through all this brush,

780
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:44,960
you know, we get up there and here's this X

781
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,159
structure there. So we kept climbing up another probably fifty

782
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,039
vertical feet and it was pretty steep, you know, angle

783
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:58,559
about fifty to sixty degrees. We'll you know, from where

784
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,599
Will found his X cruise found something that was really

785
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:02,400
interesting there.

786
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of you know, we're climbing up and

787
00:47:06,559 --> 00:47:10,199
I decided to go sideways instead of go vertical at

788
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:12,880
this one place to kind of get around a log.

789
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:18,199
When I went sideways, I came upon a little outcropping

790
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:23,239
of rock or in dirt, and it was maybe six

791
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,920
feet wide and maybe ten feet long, and in the

792
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,960
outcropping were these fresh pine boughs and they were all

793
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,960
arranged in a circle, and in the center was a depression,

794
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:41,599
and the depression, for lack of a better term, looked like,

795
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:48,079
you know, butt cheeks where somebody had set And I

796
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:51,719
called Little over and David over, and we're looking around,

797
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,599
and nowhere around it was anything like that. We looked

798
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,559
at the rest of the forest floor. There weren't these

799
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:03,519
fresh pineboughs just even just scattered let alone, all kind

800
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:05,880
of bundled up. And it didn't look like a place

801
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,960
where something had said. It looked like a little perch

802
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:14,920
if you would, looking out towards the two X structures.

803
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,880
And we turned around and looked downward, and there was

804
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,440
no way from the road that you could see this,

805
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,119
because you're looking through the forest. But from up there

806
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,239
there were breaks in the trees where you could view

807
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,800
the road down below, and you could see the very

808
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,639
far side of the meadow. And I don't know if

809
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:37,280
you remember back from twenty twenty four, but we had

810
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:41,119
always heard some calls up from that direction. That seemed

811
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,920
to be where some of the answering calls came from.

812
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,599
And that was also the ridge that whatever ran through

813
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,719
our camp and did the Sierra sounds, they went up

814
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,440
that same ridge. So here, maybe one hundred and twenty

815
00:48:57,559 --> 00:49:01,639
vertical feet up the hill, we find a little place

816
00:49:01,679 --> 00:49:04,440
where it looks like something had set and washed the.

817
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 5: Road, and these pine boughs were weep together. You know,

818
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:10,400
you could see it. I think I sent you a

819
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,639
picture of that, but it definitely circled and you know,

820
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,360
weave together to make this whatever. You know, it's not

821
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,800
not big enough to be like a nest like you

822
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,599
talked about, but it definitely looked like something that sat there.

823
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sent me the photo and it's definitely not natural,

824
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:34,480
and it's not I was trying to think of, like, okay,

825
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:39,360
well what could this be, and I mean, there's nothing there.

826
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,280
Bears do make ground nests sometimes, but that's not what.

827
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 5: They look like.

828
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,559
Speaker 3: They look like an actual big old pile nest thing,

829
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:52,519
and it certainly wouldn't have one, right there that close

830
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:53,880
to the campgrounds.

831
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,679
Speaker 5: I mean, that's ridiculous, and you know, we.

832
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,639
Speaker 4: All started looking at it, and I don't know if

833
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,239
you know Will, but you know, after meeting him in

834
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,000
June and then again going camping with him in August,

835
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:10,760
he's he's very observant. He started looking around and there

836
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:14,000
were a couple of places, one sort of on each

837
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,199
side of the nest where it looks like something had

838
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,840
planted its hands to lift itself up to stand up,

839
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,639
and you could see a couple of finger impressions. So

840
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:29,119
it really did look like something had been using that

841
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,280
as an observation post to see down into the into

842
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:37,800
the meadow and down onto the road. So it was

843
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:42,480
you know, it definitely I agree, it didn't look like anything.

844
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 3: That a bear mind, you know, just to reiterate what

845
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:50,280
you're saying, it's also interesting that it just happens to

846
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,280
be at a strategic point if you're trying to observe

847
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:54,800
the area.

848
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't know how many people believe in extra

849
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,199
but it was essentially in line with the X that

850
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,960
was close to our camp and the other X that

851
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,800
we had found halfway up the mountain, and it was

852
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,400
a perfect observation point. So whether it was an observation

853
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,559
point or not, it was at least a perfect place

854
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:18,719
to put it. And so it was we kind of

855
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,920
went further off and we ran into a rock wall

856
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,119
and couldn't go any further and starting to get dark,

857
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:26,320
so we all came down and we kind of separated

858
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,920
for dinner. And why Paul, Will and Marshall were eating dinner,

859
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,880
they heard roofs coming from that mountain that we had

860
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,719
just come down in a couple of knocks, so you know,

861
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:41,719
it was as if something was responding to us being

862
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:47,880
there twenty minutes earlier, and they run the campfire and

863
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,599
Will heard a rock hit a tree behind our camp

864
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,159
and it was followed by two knocks. And the knocks

865
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,880
sounded like they were coming up from that ridge again,

866
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,599
not from where you know, the walk obviously hit our tree,

867
00:52:03,639 --> 00:52:06,679
but it sounded like, you know, they heard the whoops,

868
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,239
and then we heard knocks later that night, and then.

869
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 7: That night.

870
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 4: Multiple bard owl calls kind of at two o'clock in

871
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,840
the morning, and again whether these were owls or not,

872
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:25,679
you know, hard to say, but you know, it seemed

873
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,280
to those calls both in twenty twenty four and now

874
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:35,639
this year seemed to proceed strangeness, and Candy had something

875
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:38,079
really strange happened about two hours after that.

876
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I had gone to bed before anybody else.

877
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:52,639
It was probably about ten thirty eleven, and my routine

878
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
was in the middle of the night, I always had

879
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,960
to get up and go to the bathroom, and I

880
00:52:57,039 --> 00:53:01,360
had a specific spot that I would walk down to

881
00:53:01,639 --> 00:53:06,239
and take my toilet paper, and I dug a little hole,

882
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:11,960
and then I found this nice sized rock, and it

883
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,039
just kind of reminded me of a small basketball that

884
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:19,639
has been completely cut in half, so it was round

885
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,239
like a bowl on the top and then completely flat

886
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,679
on the bottom. And so what I would do every

887
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,880
night was I would take that rock and put it

888
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:29,840
over my.

889
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,639
Speaker 2: Hole with the toilet paper in it.

890
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: And every morning that I would go out there, my

891
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:43,039
rock would be moved and it would be set probably

892
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:49,039
two to three feet away from my little hole. I

893
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:53,559
didn't really think anything about that, and it wasn't until

894
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,599
the next day after I had my nice little experience

895
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:06,440
in the tent. I had been oh, probably awake about

896
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:11,239
thirty minutes and it was just just starting to get

897
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:17,280
light outside, and I was laying there, and I was

898
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,239
on my laying on my right side, and I was

899
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,679
looking at David, and I was thinking, how in the

900
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,079
world can someone lay on their stomach and snores so loudly?

901
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,039
Speaker 2: And I need it was just a lot.

902
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't usually snore. And I lay in there thinking this,

903
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,280
and all of a sudden I just had something push

904
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:52,320
right in, touched my left side and just kind of

905
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:58,679
pushed came right back out. I immediately started shaking David,

906
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,440
tell him, you know, David, David, David.

907
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:04,639
Speaker 2: You know, something just touched me. Something just touched me.

908
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,039
And so by the time he.

909
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: Woke up, got himself, turned over and zipped, got the flashlight,

910
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,440
got out, couldn't see anything. But what I could say

911
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:25,000
is it was not the nose of an animal. It

912
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:32,840
was not pointy. It was flat. And I would say

913
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,119
I have a pretty good sized hand for a female,

914
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:39,639
and I would say it felt flat and about the

915
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:47,679
same size as my hand. It did not push in hard,

916
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,840
It didn't feel like a threatening touch.

917
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:52,599
Speaker 5: It just.

918
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: Felt calmly, just pushed in, pushed into my thigh and

919
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,679
just calmly rely and left.

920
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:10,639
Speaker 2: And that was very terry.

921
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:15,039
Speaker 1: I then proceeded, to, of course get David awake, and

922
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,039
he got out, didn't see anything. And then I proceeded

923
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:23,039
to take my bags that were in our little tiny tint.

924
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:26,440
I made a wall and went back to sleep, and

925
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,280
that's how I slept the last two nights. I did

926
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,719
not want something to touch me again.

927
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, first off, hats off to you for not

928
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,159
packing up and going home.

929
00:56:42,199 --> 00:56:45,079
Speaker 5: At that point, I.

930
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 2: Almost slept in the truck. And then I have.

931
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 1: Let David know that we will be purchasing a bigger tint.

932
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: Okay, So a funny story. Whenever I first got in

933
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,119
bigfoot stuff, I was completely new to all of it.

934
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,639
I had been camping a few times in my life,

935
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:12,840
but nothing, you know, serious. And so I go out,

936
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,119
I buy my tent, my sleeping bag and everything. I'm

937
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:18,719
off to the bigfoot world, all right. So I set

938
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,719
up my little pup tent and I'm laying there the

939
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,679
first night and my feet are touching the door, my

940
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:26,840
head's touching the back wall, my arms against the side.

941
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:29,559
I can reach out and touch the other wall. And

942
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:33,119
I was like, mm, Nope, this is not gonna work.

943
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:35,679
I'm gonna buy me a bigger tent, so I know

944
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,559
exactly what you're talking about. But I mean, so was

945
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:47,840
it like, if this makes sense, a slow touch, Yes, and.

946
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,519
Speaker 1: Whatever it was was flat.

947
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:51,559
Speaker 5: It was.

948
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:55,639
Speaker 1: About the size of my hand. That's the best I

949
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:56,519
could explain it.

950
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: And you didn't hear anything.

951
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,239
Speaker 1: I know, Unfortunately with the snoring, I did not hear anything.

952
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:11,360
You know, probably two to three hours prior to that,

953
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,280
I was awake and had gone out and went to

954
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:18,599
the bathroom, and I did hear what sounded like maybe

955
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:20,079
some footprints.

956
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: Walking around in the.

957
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Camp, but I wasn't about to get out and look.

958
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:30,920
But yeah, I heard.

959
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,599
Speaker 2: They were soft. It was soft walking.

960
00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:39,239
Speaker 1: It wasn't whatever it was to me, I wouldn't have

961
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,559
thought it was big, but I definitely heard. I mean,

962
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:50,079
the best I can describe it would be just someone

963
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:52,199
just lightly walking around.

964
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: Whenever you noticed that the rock was being moved, without

965
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,920
being too graphic, was anything else.

966
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:09,599
Speaker 2: Disturbed, No, nope, they they It didn't mess with my

967
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:13,760
toilet paper. But the rock was pretty heavy.

968
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:16,239
Speaker 1: It was not a small rock. It was pretty heavy.

969
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:17,480
I had to use.

970
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,639
Speaker 2: Both my hands.

971
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: So whatever moved it, it would you would think because

972
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,119
it wasn't on its side, it was not upside down.

973
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,360
It had to have picked it up and then said

974
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,320
it it was about two feet about two feet away

975
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,119
from the hole each time, and I really didn't think

976
00:59:39,159 --> 00:59:42,400
anything about it. And of course it wasn't until David

977
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,000
and Curtis and Will started talking about it, and David

978
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,719
can tell you what they've come up with.

979
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,239
Speaker 3: Well, first, David, I want to hear about your reaction

980
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,400
to her waking you up saying something just touched me.

981
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,119
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, I need to get out and

982
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:02,519
get this, you know. I rolled over, I grabbed my

983
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,840
you know, flashlight, my gun and that I had there,

984
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,360
and I unzipped and I basically stood up, you know,

985
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,679
as fast as I could. It was it was at

986
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,280
least thirty probably thirty seconds, you know. She it took

987
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,719
her a while to wake me up, you know, and

988
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,000
but by the time I got up and stood up

989
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,239
outside the door of our tent and looked around with

990
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,639
sign and thinks I didn't see anything with it. But

991
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,960
she was pretty pretty frightened about it, you know when

992
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,239
it happened, So I knew it was something that really

993
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:38,039
happened to her, you know, at that time. The thought

994
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:40,320
process that we had because she didn't tell us about

995
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,079
this rock being moved until later. But the process was

996
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:48,199
is that I think that whatever was there had smelled whatever,

997
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:53,280
you know, odor and probably that's why it probably came

998
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,800
over and pushed on the tent and could probably you know,

999
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,840
had her odor on it, and that's what she, you know,

1000
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,960
may have felt. That's the only thing we could think

1001
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:07,559
about because it was definitely moving the rock and became

1002
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,239
right to where what tensu didn't go to curses and

1003
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,760
Terry's tent. It didn't do, you know, anyone else's doing

1004
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,400
right to her side right there. Coincidentally, we're not, you know,

1005
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,519
I mean, not to creep anybody out. It was probably

1006
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,880
watching you go to the bathroom. That's my theory that

1007
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,239
it was. It was watching camp at night, like I mean,

1008
01:01:30,599 --> 01:01:35,239
they know you're there, you know, and here's a woman

1009
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:37,039
and she comes out of the tent in the middle

1010
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,400
of the night and she goes and uses the bathroom.

1011
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the rock being disturbed and everything, I

1012
01:01:42,639 --> 01:01:43,800
would completely agree.

1013
01:01:44,199 --> 01:01:46,159
Speaker 5: I think it was watching you.

1014
01:01:47,239 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: Well, whatever it was came back every night because it

1015
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:53,800
was moved every morning. It didn't just happen one night,

1016
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,079
it was every night.

1017
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: And this was the night before John and Sarah got

1018
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,880
there and after they got there in a few minutes.

1019
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:09,119
We have another thing where another little story where something

1020
01:02:09,199 --> 01:02:14,519
may have been washing this, So you're you're probably absolutely correct.

1021
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,280
That's a lot of activity where where she's gone to

1022
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:27,239
the bathroom was right where those individuals running through that camp.

1023
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,000
I doing the Sierra Sounds a year before, so it

1024
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:36,039
seemed like an area that was frequented by by them,

1025
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,800
and I agree with you, I think something was watching her.

1026
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,039
The next day, we all at different times, decided to

1027
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:51,199
go for hikes up into the wilderness area Marshall will

1028
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:58,159
and one in the morning, and then David and myself

1029
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:01,960
and Candy and Terry went on hiking after and at

1030
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,639
one point of our hike, we all passed or came

1031
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,719
out near the trailhead at the end of the meadow.

1032
01:03:09,239 --> 01:03:13,360
It's all seven of us had been there, and you know,

1033
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,840
everything looked normal, so to speak. The next morning, the

1034
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,599
morning that Sarah and Jonathan eventually arrived, I woke up early,

1035
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,360
about five point thirty, and I wasn't going back to sleep,

1036
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,679
so I got up and decided to hike down and

1037
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,119
walk into that trailhead again, because there's a trail that

1038
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,159
goes into the wilderness at the end of the meadow,

1039
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:36,800
and Will was capped down there. And when I got

1040
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,239
down there, he was kind of sitting out near his fire,

1041
01:03:39,239 --> 01:03:42,119
and he briefly talked, and I said, I'll be back

1042
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:43,800
in ten or fifteen minutes. I'm just going for a

1043
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,719
quick walk. And I walked down to the end of

1044
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:52,119
the meadow where the trailhead was, and now there were

1045
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:56,440
two five or six foot long branches playing on the

1046
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,960
ground in an X pattern. And to our knowledge, none

1047
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,960
of the seven of us had seen it day before.

1048
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,880
And you know, this is something that was pretty obvious.

1049
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,400
I mean I saw it right away when close to

1050
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,280
the trailhead and went and got Will asked him if

1051
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,480
if you remember, had seen it the day before. He

1052
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:19,280
had not. Once everybody was up, we asked everybody. Nobody

1053
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,280
had seen it. But now, all of a sudden, I

1054
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,440
think the last hike was around four thirty or five

1055
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,840
in the evening. Now twelve and a half thirteen hours later,

1056
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,840
there's all of a sudden, an X right by the trailhead.

1057
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,800
And we've even gone back and looked at videos that

1058
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,960
people have taken. I think Will did a he'd drone

1059
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,920
video for b Roll for his videos and he's he

1060
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,039
took off almost in that exact spot, and you can

1061
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:52,719
actually see one of the sticks off to the side.

1062
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:56,480
It was nowhere near here. We ended up finding it,

1063
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,119
and there somehow was now another stick forming an X. Know,

1064
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,840
we were the only ones, as David said, in the

1065
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,800
whole meadow where there are people camping a quarter mile away. Yes,

1066
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,360
could somebody had come in the evening and put down

1067
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:15,239
an X on the ground. I suppose that, you know,

1068
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,960
they would have had either god like past all of

1069
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,920
us to do it or gone through the wilderness to

1070
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,760
do it. So it was just out of the last

1071
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,440
strange finding before Sarah and Jonathan arrived.

1072
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 3: I mean, a group full of people up bigfooting don't

1073
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:43,000
notice an X highly unlikely and and you know at

1074
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:44,679
the time we didn't other than.

1075
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: Seeing the X there, the location really didn't you know,

1076
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,719
stand out to us. But something happened in August at

1077
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,880
an exact location. So you know, once we came back

1078
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,719
in August, we kind of put to each other that

1079
01:06:02,199 --> 01:06:06,719
probably something had been uh right at the end of

1080
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:09,920
the trail head watching all of us. So gets back

1081
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,840
to that watching thing that we talked about.

1082
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:19,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, when we get there, well, So later that day,

1083
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,880
Jonathan and Sarah arrived again in the late afternoon, you know,

1084
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,519
on Friday, and when they got settled, they came over

1085
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,400
and it was it was nice to meet them and

1086
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,679
we all had a good, you know, a good time

1087
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:34,239
around the you know, campfire, telling stories and things like that.

1088
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:39,039
She did, she did a recording of that and put

1089
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:42,000
it in her solely Sasquatch channel so that she has

1090
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:45,480
a good, you know, good video you know, of that time.

1091
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:48,800
But about eleven thirty, we were, you know, Will's there,

1092
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,119
Marshall's there, Eron's there, we're all we're all that camping.

1093
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,800
There's no one, no one missing, and we heard a

1094
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,519
tree knock behind our camp from that direction you know

1095
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,440
we've been talking about where you know, Candy would go

1096
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,480
out there and go pee, and in that same direction

1097
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:09,599
behind the bare box. And about five minutes later, I

1098
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,239
think I sent you a picture of the meadow. Yeah,

1099
01:07:13,559 --> 01:07:15,599
but the tree if you're looking from our camp and

1100
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:18,280
that and that meadow on the left to the left,

1101
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:23,519
there was we heard it h a tree, a snap,

1102
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:27,119
a branch break over there. And it wasn't that you

1103
01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:29,159
know long a time from when we'd heard a knock

1104
01:07:29,159 --> 01:07:33,199
from behind our camp, and so there was a like

1105
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,960
about hundred yards in the opposite direction, and so we

1106
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,400
will and you know, all of us, we went over

1107
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:41,159
towards tree line with our thermals and we're looking in

1108
01:07:41,199 --> 01:07:45,440
that area. And what was interesting. We'll started speculating and

1109
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:49,039
he was like, you know what, let's just assume that

1110
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:51,199
that was a big foot over there with the tree knock.

1111
01:07:51,679 --> 01:07:53,920
I did not have time to come over here without

1112
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,800
us hearing it going through the woods over here to

1113
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,320
branch do it a branch break over here. So if

1114
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:06,039
we're making an assumption that there's two of them, he speculated,

1115
01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:09,079
I think we're going to hear another response back over

1116
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:13,440
in that direction pretty soon. So we all went back

1117
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,760
to the camp and within five minutes we heard another

1118
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,960
knock in this direction he thought it was going to

1119
01:08:18,039 --> 01:08:25,239
come from. So that was pretty weird all of a sudden,

1120
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:27,560
you know, once we're standing around and we heard that

1121
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,800
of a knock, we're like, yeah, okay, well knows what

1122
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:36,479
he's talking about. And then the motion light went off.

1123
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,279
His camp was at the end of the meadow where

1124
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,840
we had camped the previous year, and we were in

1125
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:45,800
the camp where those two guys where the pack went

1126
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:49,640
through the year before. But we saw his motion light

1127
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,760
go off in his camp and he goes, my light

1128
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,319
just went off, so we all we grabbed our thermals

1129
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,520
and we started looking down that direction he went down

1130
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:59,560
to see investigated, but he had a setup. It wasn't

1131
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:01,880
just going to go off, and it wasn't windy, but

1132
01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:04,800
for some type of motion. It wasn't gona be a

1133
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,520
branch moving or things like that. Didn't find anything we

1134
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,760
knowing there. I was looking through my thermal into that

1135
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,960
left side of the meadow. I saw a heat motion

1136
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,920
come out and go back in and I didn't know

1137
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:19,920
what it was. I couldn't say what it was, but

1138
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,239
I saw this motion about three quarters the way down

1139
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:25,520
the meadow in the tree line, you know, come out

1140
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,159
and just for a split second. And it wasn't long

1141
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:31,000
enough to be able to do size or anything like

1142
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:32,920
that in the handheld that I was looking at, but

1143
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,720
it was interesting to see that at the same time

1144
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:40,720
as and Will had seen his motion like go off

1145
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:47,600
and we started looking at that. So that that's how

1146
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:51,560
that night ended with all that going on.

1147
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 3: How far away from the motion light was the.

1148
01:09:56,359 --> 01:10:01,399
Speaker 5: Heat signature straight straight across the meadow, probably about fifty

1149
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:05,680
feet it was, you know, it's right directly across, you know,

1150
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,960
from It was right in the same if I was.

1151
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,000
In August of this year, I went and put a

1152
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,159
thermal camera in that area in the tree line, and

1153
01:10:15,279 --> 01:10:17,920
it was right in that area that I had seen

1154
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,039
this quick motion just to heat in and eat, you know,

1155
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:27,439
out and back in, you know type thing. Right, So

1156
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,159
something set off the motion down there, you know, with

1157
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:35,920
it and a lot of heat signature, yeap, just just

1158
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,319
a flash of a heat signature there.

1159
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:42,239
Speaker 4: So the next day was our last full day in June,

1160
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:45,319
and Sarah and Jonathan did all in their interviews and

1161
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:48,640
people can go to their channel and Will's channel because

1162
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:53,439
he did some interviews. But we kind of gathered again

1163
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:58,960
about ten thirty around our campfire at that at our

1164
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:06,640
same campground campsite, and that night we heard a couple

1165
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:09,199
of whistles right behind the camp and that was about it.

1166
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:13,119
Nothing else happened, and so eventually we all went to

1167
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:17,880
bed about a twelve thirty quarters one and then about

1168
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,239
one fifty in the morning. David and I were in

1169
01:11:21,279 --> 01:11:23,479
different camps but the next morning we talked about we

1170
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:27,439
were both awakened by multiple bar owls. There go those

1171
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:32,079
crazy bart owls again. But there were probably three or

1172
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:36,279
four of them at various distances from the from our camp,

1173
01:11:36,359 --> 01:11:39,279
and I think I sent that audio to you and

1174
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:41,960
they went for about four minutes, but right in the

1175
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:47,000
middle of it there was this high pitched noise that

1176
01:11:47,039 --> 01:11:49,800
we have on audio, and we've had it cleaned up

1177
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,079
a bit. And the next morning when David and I

1178
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:56,159
talked about it, and it probably lasted for maybe five

1179
01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:59,600
or ten seconds, when we talked about it, we thought

1180
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:01,720
that it had been monkey chatter.

1181
01:12:02,359 --> 01:12:03,239
Speaker 5: Like you know.

1182
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:08,159
Speaker 4: Now on the audio, you can't hear that. You just

1183
01:12:08,199 --> 01:12:13,159
hear something, you know, loud, loud and high pitched, almost

1184
01:12:13,159 --> 01:12:15,800
sounds like a shriek. But we had thought we had

1185
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,520
heard monkey chatterer the night before, and that was a

1186
01:12:21,319 --> 01:12:23,880
kind of the we thought the end of our trip.

1187
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,600
Nothing else really happened that night that we know of,

1188
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,119
and the next day we all turned around and went home.

1189
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,159
But about a week or two after that June trip,

1190
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,960
and we weren't going to mention this, but I think

1191
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,239
I can mention it now because Wolf said something about

1192
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:44,199
it on his channel actually yesterday. He has a video

1193
01:12:44,319 --> 01:12:47,000
that was taken at twelve thirty that night, and we

1194
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,920
were still around the camp camp before we'd all gone

1195
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:55,439
to bed. And I won't say much about it because

1196
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,119
I'll let him on his video.

1197
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's his video there it.

1198
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:06,560
Speaker 4: He did say in his video yesterday, uh something about

1199
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,039
a peaker. Uh. And you can't look as the t

1200
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,760
for his next video. So so you know, your thing

1201
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:20,880
about them washing us while we're in camp definitely happened

1202
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:21,880
on that June trip.

1203
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like it.

1204
01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can't really we won't describe the video. I'll

1205
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,359
just tell people I'm sure it up there, but we

1206
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,840
David and I have both seen it. It's it's interesting that.

1207
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:47,399
Speaker 3: Was just one trip. I mean, Candy, where did you

1208
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:51,199
stand after that trip? Were you still on the fence

1209
01:13:51,319 --> 01:13:52,800
or well?

1210
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:57,279
Speaker 1: I enjoyed being their bait. Yeah, I think it worked well.

1211
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:04,079
And I have to I have to admit that I'm

1212
01:14:04,079 --> 01:14:09,920
probably pretty much a believer now. You just there's just

1213
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:15,359
too many things we heard, the footprints, we found being touched,

1214
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:17,000
too many things that.

1215
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: I can't just say, Ah, that was that's nothing.

1216
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh that was a bear. No, I think I probably

1217
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:29,840
would have heard the bear. I've been around enough bears

1218
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,600
out camping, and I know what they sound like, and

1219
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,720
so for me, I was very impressed.

1220
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 2: I was impressed with.

1221
01:14:39,079 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: How Curtis and David are very serious.

1222
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,119
Speaker 2: When we were out there. There's no talking.

1223
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: I gotta walk when they tell you to walk, and

1224
01:14:51,119 --> 01:14:53,319
you know, you just kind of need to stay.

1225
01:14:53,039 --> 01:14:54,840
Speaker 2: In line with what they're doing.

1226
01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 1: And I have to just say it was very eye opening.

1227
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:06,239
I had a awesome time, and I could I could

1228
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:07,520
go do this all summer now.

1229
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:11,119
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.

1230
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:16,560
Speaker 5: David, it sounds like she's hooked. Yeah, I think she.

1231
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,640
I think she is.

1232
01:15:23,159 --> 01:15:28,079
Speaker 4: Interestingly enough, Will tells about an episode where he got

1233
01:15:28,279 --> 01:15:31,600
touched during his tent. So, for those of you who

1234
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:36,319
follow Will's channel, he usually hangs a big, bigfoot flag

1235
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,319
wherever he goes, and and on the last day when

1236
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:44,359
we were leaving in June, he got out of his

1237
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:47,560
his vehicle as he was leaving and walked over to

1238
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,359
our camp holding this thing all holded up, and he

1239
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:55,439
gave it to Candy. He said, you've been annointed. You

1240
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:02,640
deserve my flag. And so she about a souvenir from me.

1241
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:05,079
Speaker 1: Yes, I do.

1242
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:09,079
Speaker 3: I mean, I just hope you understand candy that there's

1243
01:16:09,159 --> 01:16:11,560
like a million people out there that would love to

1244
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:15,520
be in your position, and that would I mean, that's

1245
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:19,520
one of the most amazing first trips into the bigfoot

1246
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,399
world that I've ever heard.

1247
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,520
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, it's Uh it's one of those where

1248
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,600
you feel you're almost stiel silly telling everybody about it.

1249
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,159
Speaker 2: But it was real.

1250
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:38,119
Speaker 1: It happened, and I don't know what it was, but

1251
01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:41,720
it happened, and I'm more than ready to go out

1252
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:42,920
and see if it will happen again.

1253
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,399
Speaker 3: The last time I checked, June and August aren't that

1254
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:54,800
far apart. I thought you guys usually spaced these trips

1255
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,119
out a little bit farther than that.

1256
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 5: Well, we did. We'd only did it once a year,

1257
01:17:00,199 --> 01:17:02,880
and from twenty two to twenty four we had a

1258
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,800
you know, we're a year gap, two year gap in that.

1259
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:09,960
But we had discussed before, you know, that we had

1260
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,960
had so much happen to us, and twenty twenty four

1261
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:18,199
in August, you know, with the what I only described

1262
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:22,039
as Sierra Sounds and all that that we had, we

1263
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,039
didn't know what was going to be happening with you know,

1264
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:26,880
going with Will and Sarah and all these people and

1265
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,439
we're just going up there and videotaping what or had

1266
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:32,000
happened before that. We had decided we were going to

1267
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,760
plan to go back in August, you know, purchasing me.

1268
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,439
So we had that kind of planned already, but there

1269
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:43,680
was so much activity, you know, in June that when

1270
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,199
we went to August, you know, we had you know,

1271
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,000
I got all the Will and said, hey, we're coming

1272
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:55,000
back up. Do you want to come join us? And

1273
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:58,079
he said yeah, he'd love to. And there was, you

1274
01:17:58,119 --> 01:18:01,399
know that what we're we're talking about. He wanted to

1275
01:18:01,439 --> 01:18:06,039
recreate something and it was good that we were all

1276
01:18:06,119 --> 01:18:09,199
up there together, and so he came up there. He

1277
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:13,319
invited another friend of his who had been a bigfoot

1278
01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:15,319
researcher in that he lives in that area, of Bill

1279
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:19,800
Bill Bisson and his wife. They got there a few

1280
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:21,880
days before we did and had been camping in that

1281
01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,760
area and it was then when Will came and they

1282
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,199
camped in the site and that little campsite that we

1283
01:18:28,199 --> 01:18:33,159
had talked about before last year where the gentleman whose

1284
01:18:33,399 --> 01:18:36,319
name now we know is Randy Luke, he had his

1285
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,600
camper there and he's the one that we talked about

1286
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,079
that had said I think I saw a bigfoot had

1287
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:50,319
walked across there. And so Randy had been watching Will's

1288
01:18:51,079 --> 01:18:54,560
and Sarah's video and he was like, I know that

1289
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,560
I was there. I was like, guy, you know, And

1290
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,880
so he was all excited, and he had watching those videos.

1291
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,039
He had learned that we were coming back in August.

1292
01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:07,079
We had stated that, and so he came back up

1293
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:11,560
and had camped in that exact same site. When we

1294
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:14,840
got there, he was there, and him and Zil were

1295
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,399
camped right across the road from each other. And then

1296
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:21,640
when Will came in, he camped across and the next

1297
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,680
camp over in that outside camping area right by the bathroom.

1298
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:30,640
So when we got there, there was actually a ton

1299
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,720
of people in the meadow. There were a horse people

1300
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,520
who had been working on trails and stuff, but they

1301
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,720
were all packing up and they left like forty five

1302
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,439
minutes after we got there, and then the meadow was

1303
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,439
empty for us. So we went down to the original

1304
01:19:47,399 --> 01:19:50,079
campsite that we were at in twenty four and camped

1305
01:19:50,079 --> 01:19:53,720
in the same spot there. But it was cool that

1306
01:19:53,800 --> 01:20:00,199
Randy came back, and it's interesting, you know, Will did

1307
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:05,319
an interview with him that he posted on his channel.

1308
01:20:05,359 --> 01:20:08,760
Now you can you can watch that, But he basically

1309
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:12,720
told the story that we had been well, we had

1310
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:15,479
said on the podcast, we had assumed and thought that

1311
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,680
he said the bigfood walked from the creek area by

1312
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,439
the bathroom and out, and he bay said, no, no, no, no,

1313
01:20:22,479 --> 01:20:28,199
that's not what happened. He said it was walking along

1314
01:20:28,279 --> 01:20:30,439
the forest and the road on the road that comes

1315
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:34,039
out from the meadow. And as when I went into

1316
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:38,640
the bathroom, Curtis went around and back into the campsite,

1317
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,960
it went out there and stopped and then walked back

1318
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,600
into the forest. And from what we were thinking about

1319
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,439
was that it was actually tracking us as we were

1320
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,319
walking out from the meadow, and it probably followed us

1321
01:20:51,359 --> 01:20:53,680
all the way from our camp all the way out

1322
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:55,600
to that bathroom, and then it couldn't go any further

1323
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,359
because it was the open, open area and there was

1324
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:03,600
campsites there, but their recreation on size and it was,

1325
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:06,199
you know, a lot bigger than any of us where

1326
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,439
when we were walking. The people can go watch that

1327
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:13,640
on you know Willi's channel Return to Gypsy Mos part two,

1328
01:21:14,359 --> 01:21:17,479
you know, the Grassman fifty eight and that's an interesting interview,

1329
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:20,560
you know for that, but he kind of corrected that

1330
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,319
part of the story for us, and then it started

1331
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:25,720
making a little more sense on what's going on. But

1332
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,279
it's what amazing me is that person. I don't we

1333
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:32,319
don't walk down the road loud talking, making noises. We're

1334
01:21:32,359 --> 01:21:35,960
walking down the road looking for things where we're you know,

1335
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,159
we're checking, we're looking, we're looking around, we're trying, we're

1336
01:21:39,239 --> 01:21:41,199
trying to We never know what's going to happen. So

1337
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:45,399
but whatever, we walked down that road, we didn't notice

1338
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,319
this thing is following us. And I was like, man,

1339
01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:51,399
we really got to step up our game if we're

1340
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,359
missing something like that. You know, let's tracked us all

1341
01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:58,520
the way from our our camps and we couldn't know

1342
01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,239
that it was there.

1343
01:21:59,399 --> 01:22:02,399
Speaker 3: That was pretty I keep on coming back to the

1344
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:04,319
same thought in my head as I'm listening to all this.

1345
01:22:05,399 --> 01:22:06,760
They're watching all the time.

1346
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:14,239
Speaker 4: Yeah they are, and you know a little bit you'll hear,

1347
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:19,000
you know even more that gives you that impression. That

1348
01:22:19,279 --> 01:22:24,520
night we got smart. We set out audio recorders. We

1349
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,720
weren't so smart the year before and never got to

1350
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:31,159
zero down. But at that very first night in our camp,

1351
01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:36,239
after we reviewed it, when we got home, David found

1352
01:22:36,319 --> 01:22:39,439
something interesting that that happened about two o'clock in the morning.

1353
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,039
Speaker 5: That was yeah, I don't know. I bought them. We'd

1354
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:47,319
all we went down and you know, I got a

1355
01:22:47,319 --> 01:22:50,239
thermal camera and Curtis got a thermal camera. I got

1356
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:53,880
multiple recorders. So we were really trying to get equipment

1357
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:57,640
up to cover this area. So up above the camp

1358
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:02,119
there is a weather rain collection station that they have

1359
01:23:02,319 --> 01:23:05,920
up there, and you have a post there with a

1360
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,359
sign don't disturb. So I just go up there and

1361
01:23:09,279 --> 01:23:11,399
it's up on a ridge and it's a pretty good

1362
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:16,279
area for the whole surrounding area that for us, and

1363
01:23:16,359 --> 01:23:18,600
I put a recorder up on the post up there.

1364
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:23,600
It's pretty good place to have it. And I get

1365
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:26,399
this recorded, and I have probably ten of these things.

1366
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:29,760
And as there's like a it's like a bang that

1367
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:32,600
goes on. It's like and I don't know how to

1368
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,399
describe it. I send you the audio on it. At

1369
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,079
one bang. I probably have ten of those, and will

1370
01:23:40,119 --> 01:23:43,520
recorded one also as a bang. It's almost like a

1371
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,399
loud drum, like a single drum beat. And I have

1372
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,159
about ten of those types of sounds through the night,

1373
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,039
and one of them all of a sudden I'm hearing

1374
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:59,119
right before the bang, I hear this. I can describe

1375
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:02,840
it as a female or a young kid talking, and

1376
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,600
I don't recognize a language. I don't understand it. But

1377
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,439
then there's a loud bang, and then there's more talking,

1378
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:13,359
and I don't even know how to describe it, but

1379
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:18,399
it's definitely a young or a female voice in multiple

1380
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:25,520
vocalizations right after before and after that bang. I don't

1381
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:27,119
know if you're able to hear it or not, but

1382
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,199
it was very, very strange, and I go, there's no

1383
01:24:32,359 --> 01:24:34,560
females out there walking in the middle of two o'clock

1384
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,640
in the morning, and that's that's out in the wilderness area.

1385
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,920
It's like, who's going to be coming out there and

1386
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:44,439
talking around my recorder? Yeah, you know at that time,

1387
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:48,239
And so I don't know what that is, but it

1388
01:24:48,319 --> 01:24:53,399
was definitely a strange voice talking in a in a

1389
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,319
young female pitch voice.

1390
01:24:56,319 --> 01:25:02,079
Speaker 4: With that, of course, we hadn't heard it. We heard

1391
01:25:02,039 --> 01:25:04,119
it when we got back into town and listened to

1392
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:08,560
the audio. But the next morning, after breakfast, we decided

1393
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:12,840
to go out into the wilderness across the creek, and

1394
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:18,119
we were probably only two hundred feet away from camp

1395
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:21,239
and right in the creek bed in some kind of

1396
01:25:22,319 --> 01:25:27,760
heavily sandy area, David found a twelve inch bare footprint

1397
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:30,439
and that you could see toes in and we ended

1398
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:32,920
up scanning it and casting it. But just to put

1399
01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:36,479
in perspective, the size twelve inch doesn't sound that big.

1400
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:40,039
David and I both wear a size thirteen shoes and

1401
01:25:40,079 --> 01:25:43,119
our feet are about eleven and a half inches, So

1402
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:46,720
something with a size fourteen or so foot was walking

1403
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:51,159
barefoot near the creek. And then later that day a

1404
01:25:51,279 --> 01:25:55,520
lady came into camp and she camped at the end

1405
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,359
where in June we had all that activity, and she

1406
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,840
had a horse trailer with two horses and two little dogs,

1407
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,439
and we were kind of wondering, are these horses gonna

1408
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,399
be bad for business or the dogs gonna be bad

1409
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,239
for business? And they're gonna be good for business, you know,

1410
01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:18,479
What's what's the deal? But but that kind of comes

1411
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,520
into play a little later on. But that she came

1412
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:27,159
in that day. That second evening, I was pretty quiet.

1413
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,760
We didn't don't remember hearing much, and there wasn't a

1414
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,880
ton on our audio. But around three in the morning,

1415
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:40,399
David had bought Motion Life similar to Will's and again

1416
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:42,960
it hadn't really gone off most of the week that

1417
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,960
we were there, or most of the time we were there,

1418
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:48,079
but at three in the morning, it went off, and

1419
01:26:48,199 --> 01:26:52,439
David and I could hear footsteps in and around the camp.

1420
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,359
You know, the crazy thing is, we have thermal on

1421
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:00,399
the on the meadow, we got game cameras in our

1422
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:04,680
camp looking out, we got a thermal up on the ridge.

1423
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:11,039
We got Audie recorders going. Nothing showed up. So it's

1424
01:27:11,399 --> 01:27:13,920
you know, for whatever reason, I know, there's always been

1425
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:17,000
a lot of speculations to where they can sense electronics,

1426
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:23,680
but both that time and later things that happened this week,

1427
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,880
it seems that they always found dead zones. If it

1428
01:27:27,039 --> 01:27:31,239
was the fast Watch walking through our camp, they seem

1429
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:34,520
to find dead zones. There's either the luckiest things in

1430
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,680
the world or the smartest things in the world. One

1431
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:36,960
of the.

1432
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so weird. I don't even know. I don't

1433
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:47,399
want to even start speculating. I don't have an answer, right,

1434
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:48,000
We've all.

1435
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:51,119
Speaker 4: Heard, you know, various theories and and obviously nobody knows.

1436
01:27:51,239 --> 01:27:56,920
But but you know, with all that went on, other

1437
01:27:57,039 --> 01:27:59,960
than the Will's video that he's gonna you know post,

1438
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:06,640
they don't have anything on video everything that went on

1439
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:11,880
both weeks, so it is kind of crazy.

1440
01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 5: But that Tuesday evening we're cursed. We were just at

1441
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:20,319
camp playing cards. We couldn't have a fire again and

1442
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:22,399
it was fire restricted, and all of a sudden, Will

1443
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,039
comes down to our camp and the around nine o'clock

1444
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:26,680
and he told us that he had just heard a

1445
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:30,199
large tree break behind his tent near the creek, and

1446
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:32,640
then he had a real loud loop at that point.

1447
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:35,479
So we at that time decided we're gonna let's go

1448
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,960
set up our thermals for the night. We were still

1449
01:28:39,039 --> 01:28:41,239
learning our thermals, not knowing how long they're gonna last,

1450
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:43,479
so we decided we would set them up right before

1451
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:47,399
we went to bed and they go all night. So

1452
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600
we had do that in two different areas, and we

1453
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,079
were overlooking the whole meadow and one up on the

1454
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:57,520
ridge behind our camp with it. So while we're setting

1455
01:28:57,560 --> 01:28:59,039
up our thermals, all of a sudden, we hear a

1456
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:02,720
loud knock from the previous area where were you know,

1457
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,119
in two twenty four, we had left gifts, you know,

1458
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:07,760
like apples and you know, peanut butter in that area.

1459
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,119
But from that same direction as about one hundred yards

1460
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,479
you know, to the northeast of that area. So then

1461
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,359
we decided to sit sit out in front of the

1462
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:19,319
truck for a while and we just set out there quiet,

1463
01:29:19,359 --> 01:29:21,840
and we had a parabolic that I record on when

1464
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:27,680
my recorders, and we ended up hearing four whoops from

1465
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:30,479
that same direction that we had heard knocks. And then

1466
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,760
all of a sudden we start getting these strange bart

1467
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,479
out calls and they're night they're trying to be bart

1468
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,199
hours with or not, and they're calling back and forth,

1469
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,399
and then all of a sudden we get these multiple

1470
01:29:43,560 --> 01:29:46,520
I can only describe as duck sounds in the same

1471
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,720
direction as the first knock. And I'm going, what we

1472
01:29:49,800 --> 01:29:53,680
got ducks now in the middle of the forest, and

1473
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,479
compariously started, yeah, they got we're hearing ducks sounds, probably

1474
01:29:57,479 --> 01:29:59,079
about six or seven and I think I sent you

1475
01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:02,079
that audio on there. I don't know how to describe it,

1476
01:30:02,319 --> 01:30:06,520
but it was like these duck ducks sounds or vocalizations

1477
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:11,239
of something trying to mimic it. But we heard two

1478
01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:14,600
different whistles, you know, at that time in the tree line.

1479
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,439
And then there was another loop down by the Creek.

1480
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,720
We heard another knock coming from the Gifting Side area,

1481
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,439
and so that was a strange So I was glad

1482
01:30:23,439 --> 01:30:26,159
I got it on audio because I don't think, what

1483
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,199
the heck are these We have ducks in the and

1484
01:30:29,239 --> 01:30:32,159
there's no water around like that, there's no pond for

1485
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:34,800
these ducks to be out there. When I listened real

1486
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:40,000
close to the audio, I'm hearing a mixture of bart

1487
01:30:40,039 --> 01:30:46,479
al calls, whoops, ducks, sounds all mixed together and going.

1488
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,840
It's like half a party of birds out there in

1489
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,159
the middle of the woods.

1490
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,279
Speaker 3: Do they seem to be pretty vocal in that area?

1491
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Cornia we had no vocalizations that we know of,

1492
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:06,640
and and in Washington we've we've had a ton of them.

1493
01:31:07,039 --> 01:31:09,960
And again some of them may be actual owls and

1494
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:16,680
maybe even ducks, but but a lot of vocalizations. Every

1495
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,399
time we've been to Gypsy Meadows, we kind of sat around,

1496
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,840
I'm trying to truck for an hour or two to that,

1497
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:23,920
all quiet.

1498
01:31:23,560 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 9: And down, and then we went to bed and about

1499
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,760
five am, we we heard rain starting to fall, and

1500
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:34,119
we just bought these thermals.

1501
01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:37,319
Speaker 4: So we just both got up, heard the rain, decided

1502
01:31:37,319 --> 01:31:41,880
to go get our thermals and had actually brought in

1503
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:46,319
our thermal. We heard an owl again kind of going

1504
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:49,920
off down near that same gifting area where we heard

1505
01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:54,720
everything the night before, and then a whoop came from

1506
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,920
that area. And then, you know, just opposite where that

1507
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:01,479
other campsite was that we were in June, we heard

1508
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:08,199
a a whistle. So I got five in the morning.

1509
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:10,880
We started sharing all these things and brought in all

1510
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:14,119
our equipment, and eventually it quieted down and David went

1511
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,960
back to bed, and I decided to go for a walk.

1512
01:32:17,039 --> 01:32:20,800
And you know, the sun up it was until five

1513
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,560
fifty six, and so now that was probably five thirty

1514
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,119
five thirty five, still pretty dark. You might see a

1515
01:32:27,159 --> 01:32:29,560
little bit alight, but it was pretty dark. And I

1516
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:33,479
walked down by that bathroom area, and my plan was

1517
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:36,760
just to walk the same loop I had done when

1518
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:39,840
the thing kind of followed us out of the out

1519
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:44,640
of the woods year before, and just you know, just

1520
01:32:44,640 --> 01:32:47,279
to get a walk. I wasn't expecting anything to happen.

1521
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,880
As I got to the main road, I looked to

1522
01:32:52,039 --> 01:32:56,600
my right down where Wheel's campground was, and I thought

1523
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:58,920
I saw Will standing out the front of his camp

1524
01:32:59,079 --> 01:33:03,720
and we later lasered this distance. It was eighty yards

1525
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,119
and you know, a little bit of twilight, but you

1526
01:33:07,119 --> 01:33:12,680
couldn't tell colors. But I thought from about the abdomen

1527
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:18,000
up standing behind a bush something lightly colored, and Will

1528
01:33:18,079 --> 01:33:20,760
has this light colored jacket, and I thought he had

1529
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,560
been up and just you know, listening or our standing.

1530
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:27,640
So I waved, and I got it. Will didn't way back,

1531
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,720
and I didn't think anything of it. I know, had

1532
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,479
an eighty yard waved see me, and I I was

1533
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,840
going to make the group and be back there, and

1534
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:40,439
maybe forty five seconds later when I came around, Will

1535
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,760
wasn't there, and nothing was there. I didn't spent probably

1536
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:48,039
the next fifteen to twenty minutes looking all around, trying

1537
01:33:48,039 --> 01:33:51,000
to you know, see where game cameras were, see if

1538
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:55,439
they would have cost this. All three guys were in

1539
01:33:55,479 --> 01:34:00,920
their separate campgrounds, still in their beds, and the city

1540
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:05,880
wasn't there. And eventually I probably looked around and total

1541
01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:09,000
for maybe about a half hour. Will eventually got up.

1542
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:12,079
I asked him if you had had, you know, get

1543
01:34:12,239 --> 01:34:16,039
up earlier, and sending in his company said no. But

1544
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,760
about an hour before that, he said something set off

1545
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,079
his motion light and then he saw a shadow on

1546
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:26,840
his tent. The shadow didn't come very high, and he

1547
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:29,399
thought maybe it had been there, so he didn't really,

1548
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:33,279
you know, he didn't really exciting enough to get out

1549
01:34:33,279 --> 01:34:35,720
of bed. And and then you know, I saw what

1550
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,039
I saw, and eventually, once it got light and everybody

1551
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:42,760
was around, we recreated it. I went back to the

1552
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:47,600
area at David stand behind the the bush that I

1553
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,600
had seen this thing from about mid apt and then

1554
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,800
up and David is six' four AND i only saw

1555
01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:00,000
him from about. Armpits so we Had david kind of

1556
01:35:00,079 --> 01:35:02,840
lift his arm to see about how HIGH i thought

1557
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,720
the thing. Was and WHEN i thought earlier from eighty

1558
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,600
yards away in the, DARK i didn't really it didn't

1559
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:14,399
really my brain didn't process how tall this thing. Was

1560
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,399
When david started this in his, hand we figured it

1561
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:21,239
was probably somewhere between seven and eight feet. Tall we

1562
01:35:21,359 --> 01:35:26,319
then started looking around and we found a little trampled

1563
01:35:26,359 --> 01:35:31,680
area where it had probably. Stood and again it was

1564
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:35,840
in a dead zone between all of our, cameras and

1565
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:40,039
to our, knowledge no one else was. Around everybody had

1566
01:35:40,079 --> 01:35:43,319
been asleep except. Me and the thing about the light,

1567
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,800
color you remember back to twenty twenty, Four randy had

1568
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:54,359
seen a tan colored, bigfoot so in my, mind my

1569
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,520
brain went to seeing this light color standing in front

1570
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,920
Of wheel's camp got to Be. Will but you, KNOW

1571
01:36:02,039 --> 01:36:03,399
i clearly love The.

1572
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 5: Will that's. Crazy, yeah, yeah.

1573
01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:16,520
Speaker 4: The things that had just, happened you, know happened THAT

1574
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:19,840
i were either the luckiest guys in the world or.

1575
01:36:20,279 --> 01:36:24,199
Whatever but it's just it's just amazing the things that.

1576
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:30,199
Happened but it gets maybe not, better but other things happened.

1577
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:37,960
Speaker 5: Well that the one thing that carried him mentioned that

1578
01:36:38,039 --> 01:36:39,760
he had we figured out the hip because he had

1579
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:43,840
seen his branch with moss across it and that was

1580
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,239
how he was judging where the top of it was

1581
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:49,439
in that in my hand was just barely reaching up

1582
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,800
to that WHEN i put it above my, head you.

1583
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:55,840
Know for. That but, afternoon all five of us we

1584
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:58,039
went across the crete on hike and we'll found it

1585
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,359
twelve and a half inch print that he casted and

1586
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:07,000
we scanned it and it definitely had toes on. There

1587
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:10,960
and he has a video on his channel where he,

1588
01:37:11,039 --> 01:37:13,720
shows you, know in casting that and then what it looked,

1589
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,359
like you know after. That but that was in the.

1590
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,600
Sand it was pretty easy to see the toes on

1591
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:25,199
that on that. Print later, while we found out that

1592
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:29,119
that lady her meadow with her two, dogs one had

1593
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:32,239
been missing for a, while and apparently what had happened

1594
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:34,159
was when she had gone out on trail, rides she

1595
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:36,279
came back and went down to the creek with their

1596
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:39,600
dogs and her horses to water, them and there was

1597
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:42,119
this she had a kind of a faraoh, dog and

1598
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:46,119
all of a sudden it got really scared and like

1599
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:49,680
trembling and took off and it wouldn't come back to

1600
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,960
the camp for a couple of. Days and we'd seen

1601
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,479
it every once in a while out on the, road

1602
01:37:56,439 --> 01:37:58,760
but she had she couldn't get the dog to come

1603
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,479
back to camp after she had been taken her them

1604
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,359
down to that creek that we see everything coming. From

1605
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:10,720
so that was one other interesting thing that happened with her.

1606
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:15,319
Speaker 4: There the dogs would rather stay out outside in the

1607
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:19,279
in the forest and go back near the. Creek we

1608
01:38:19,359 --> 01:38:22,479
don't know what. Its that was kind of.

1609
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,399
Speaker 5: Crazy, Yeah so we decided we're going to do a

1610
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:31,600
night hike and we went up a gated off forest

1611
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:35,960
road up to IS i guess there's a historic copper

1612
01:38:36,039 --> 01:38:38,640
mine camp, there and we hiked. Up we found a

1613
01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:41,399
couple of buildings. There it was interesting doing a night.

1614
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,840
Hike we hadn't really done something like. That we did

1615
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,680
something and With candy up a, road but this was

1616
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:52,159
a little. Different but that that night we get at.

1617
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,600
Hamp we had some more knocks that were going off

1618
01:38:56,359 --> 01:39:00,199
while we're setting up our, thermals and then you will

1619
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:02,000
hurt him as. Well but his camp was about a

1620
01:39:02,079 --> 01:39:05,439
eighth of a mile. Away then he heard a screech

1621
01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:07,680
and but he thought that screech might have been a.

1622
01:39:07,720 --> 01:39:11,039
Cougar it was kind of a cougar sound that. Night

1623
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,720
but the next day we're getting towards the, end and

1624
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,920
then we hike up to the. Back in twenty four

1625
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,039
we found these sixteen and a half inch prints with

1626
01:39:21,159 --> 01:39:24,279
a you, know forty eight to fifty foot step. Length

1627
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:26,159
AND i, said we got to go back up there

1628
01:39:26,159 --> 01:39:29,680
and look. Around so we go up there and this

1629
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,520
time we find two fifteen and a half inch. PRINTS

1630
01:39:33,800 --> 01:39:36,000
i THINK i sent you the picture of one at

1631
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,640
the wet in the heel. Area Then curtis measured those

1632
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:45,119
out and the step LENGTH i think wasn't. That it

1633
01:39:45,239 --> 01:39:51,920
was it like Sixty, curtis, yeah which is, crazy like

1634
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:56,199
sixty inches to the next to the next step in the.

1635
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:59,800
Marsh so that was a huge step, length.

1636
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 4: Sixty thanks zero and it really couldn't see couldn't see

1637
01:40:04,680 --> 01:40:07,880
where it had stepped in, between and it was all.

1638
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:12,199
Marshy so if it had, stepped we think we would

1639
01:40:12,199 --> 01:40:15,760
have seen. It, NOW i suppose it's, possible you, know

1640
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,319
pushed off and did more than just a step and

1641
01:40:18,359 --> 01:40:20,880
did a little bit of a, leap but that five

1642
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:22,239
feet is a crazy.

1643
01:40:22,279 --> 01:40:29,119
Speaker 5: Step, yeah, Yeah but the print didn't look like a you,

1644
01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:31,800
know try to read, prints you're going to see like

1645
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,079
a disc or a you, know a dish or an

1646
01:40:34,079 --> 01:40:36,520
explosion for, that and there was nothing like that in the.

1647
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,239
Print the print was a normal step with, it you,

1648
01:40:39,279 --> 01:40:43,840
know just a you, know like a normal. Walking but

1649
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,840
that was A i was, going are you serious at sixty?

1650
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:52,439
Inches you, know but that was a huge step, length you,

1651
01:40:52,479 --> 01:40:54,600
know from. There AND i don't know from our experience

1652
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,640
in twenty two In, california we know that the marsh,

1653
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:04,079
absorbs you, know, footprints and so maybe one was absorbed,

1654
01:41:04,319 --> 01:41:06,319
AGAIN i DON'T i can't say that it. Didn't but

1655
01:41:06,359 --> 01:41:09,279
from the two that we saw there was sixty inches

1656
01:41:10,079 --> 01:41:10,560
you know from.

1657
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:15,359
Speaker 3: THERE i don't know the exact formula off the top

1658
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:19,000
of my, head But i'm trying to rack my brain

1659
01:41:19,039 --> 01:41:22,680
to remember how that would equate to a possible heights

1660
01:41:22,680 --> 01:41:23,800
and it's getting up.

1661
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 5: There, Well curtis to talk about, THAT.

1662
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:31,279
Speaker 4: I DON'T i didn't look up, sixty but forty eight

1663
01:41:31,319 --> 01:41:34,399
inches is what we found the year. Before and you

1664
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,279
know in orthopedics we have paid in The alfie then

1665
01:41:37,319 --> 01:41:40,880
at forty eight, inches assuming it's just a normal walking

1666
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:45,560
step and not a jump or running. Step assuming it's

1667
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,359
a walking, step forty eight inches equates to nine feet six.

1668
01:41:49,439 --> 01:41:53,159
Speaker 5: Inches, yeah, yeah sixty thinking it or.

1669
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah for a? Human, right we don't have no, idea

1670
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:01,960
and of course aren't any nine six inch tall, humans

1671
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:04,640
but if it was a, human it would have quit

1672
01:42:05,159 --> 01:42:09,039
nineteen six inches havin a forty eight inch, Stride so.

1673
01:42:10,039 --> 01:42:14,239
Yea our next to last morning Was saturday. MORNING i

1674
01:42:14,319 --> 01:42:18,920
woke up about five thirty AND i didn't know That

1675
01:42:19,039 --> 01:42:23,279
david had experienced something the night, Before so why don't

1676
01:42:23,279 --> 01:42:25,159
you tell them what you had, Experienced, david and Then

1677
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:27,880
I'll i'll go along with WHAT I in the, MORNING.

1678
01:42:28,600 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 5: I got woken, up you, know about two thirty in the,

1679
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:37,279
morning heard a couple of. WHISTLES i got, up you,

1680
01:42:37,319 --> 01:42:39,640
know looked around camp and you, know into the, bathroom

1681
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:41,960
and then went back to. Bed and WHILE i was

1682
01:42:42,039 --> 01:42:45,439
getting back, settled all of a, sudden you, know about

1683
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:50,359
twenty minutes, LATER i smell this bad sulfur. Smell it

1684
01:42:50,399 --> 01:42:52,279
was to the right of my tent and it was

1685
01:42:52,319 --> 01:42:55,800
only there for about three to four, seconds and then

1686
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,680
it just, disappeared AND i was, going that was, nasty you.

1687
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,000
Know then it was, gone AND i was, Going, okay

1688
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,720
to something just come by AND i get a whiff of,

1689
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:09,600
it you, Know but, YEAH i. DIDN'T i didn't know

1690
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,239
where that came from or what it. Was but it

1691
01:43:11,319 --> 01:43:14,600
wasn't anything that. Lingered it was just in passing this

1692
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,119
odor that was like right right by the right side

1693
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:17,279
of my.

1694
01:43:17,359 --> 01:43:21,039
Speaker 4: Tent AND i had slept through all of. THAT i

1695
01:43:21,079 --> 01:43:23,760
didn't know till AFTER i got, up but that had.

1696
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:28,399
Occurred BUT i woke up about five, thirty and usually

1697
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,319
WHAT i did WAS i got up. EARLY i went

1698
01:43:31,359 --> 01:43:34,159
and brought the thermalvie here running my little battery and

1699
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:38,000
Sometimes i'd go change the batteries on our audio and

1700
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:43,000
So david's thermal that day was sort of out in

1701
01:43:43,039 --> 01:43:45,359
the middle of the, meadow looking down across the first

1702
01:43:45,359 --> 01:43:47,239
of the, meadow AND i went out and picked it

1703
01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:51,359
up and brought it back to under OUR auni and

1704
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:54,600
instead of going to get my thermal up the, RIDGE

1705
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:58,279
i DECIDED i wanted to brush my. Teeth BUT i

1706
01:43:58,359 --> 01:44:03,000
kind of walked down the gravel driveway into our, camp

1707
01:44:03,079 --> 01:44:05,840
and then about halfway down the driveway OR i took

1708
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:09,479
her right towards WHERE i kept my toothpaste in the bare,

1709
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:14,079
Box and right WHEN i got to the bare, BOX

1710
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:18,560
i heard this spud and then a clack, clap and

1711
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,199
clearly a rock had been thrown and land lay planted

1712
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:25,479
in the, dirt sort of maybe ten feet from, me

1713
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:31,479
and then bounced into the gravel. Driveway SO i turned

1714
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:36,840
around and kind of scanned it with my eyes the tree,

1715
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:39,520
line and THEN i had, said, well you know, What

1716
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,039
i'm gonna Get david's thermal THAT i just got back

1717
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:44,239
in and turned on and kind of scanned the tree,

1718
01:44:44,279 --> 01:44:49,840
line AND i didn't find, anything BUT i set the

1719
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,079
thermal up in, case you, know with. Hiding something was

1720
01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:55,840
hiding behind a. Tree AND i think here's WHERE i

1721
01:44:55,960 --> 01:45:00,239
learned both, in you, know thinking that that THING i

1722
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:03,680
was will out there at five thirty in the, morning

1723
01:45:03,720 --> 01:45:06,399
and now with this mock, THROW i have to learn

1724
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,079
to think out of the. Box they can do things

1725
01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:12,680
that humans can't. DO i pointed that thermal at the

1726
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,840
closest place across the meadow that was maybe twenty five

1727
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:21,359
or thirty yards, away figuring that that's, where you, know

1728
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:24,479
something most likely was throwing something. At and THEN i

1729
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,479
kind of sat down and kept an eye on the,

1730
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,560
area and then we HEARD i heard a knock up

1731
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:36,159
ridge behind us and whistled down at the other end

1732
01:45:36,199 --> 01:45:41,239
of the, meadow but we never saw anything on. Thermal

1733
01:45:41,279 --> 01:45:44,560
and short way after, That david eventually got up AND

1734
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:46,399
i told him when it, happened and he told me

1735
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:52,039
that just two all that. Smell and THEN i stayed

1736
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:54,359
in camp And david walked out to the tree line

1737
01:45:54,399 --> 01:45:58,039
WHERE i thought that the rock could come, from and you,

1738
01:45:58,079 --> 01:46:00,720
KNOW i kind of videoed, him and pretty soon he

1739
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,159
was lost in the trees AND i couldn't see him very,

1740
01:46:05,239 --> 01:46:07,600
much and next THING i, knew he kind of came

1741
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:10,239
out over by the trailhead where we had found THAT

1742
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:11,000
x back.

1743
01:46:11,319 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 5: Soon, yeah when first told me, that you, KNOW i

1744
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,760
was kind OF i want to go see WHAT i can,

1745
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:22,880
find you, know where to come, from kind of wondering,

1746
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,680
about you, know the angle or the, things you, know

1747
01:46:25,680 --> 01:46:28,079
where the rock would come up in that. Area BUT

1748
01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:29,880
i go into the tree, LINE i follow the game

1749
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:34,960
trail down AND i come on out And i'm staying

1750
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,319
there looking and starting and, say, okay where's This where

1751
01:46:37,319 --> 01:46:40,640
were this thing to? Throw AND i found this area

1752
01:46:40,680 --> 01:46:43,439
WHERE i, think you, know this open area behind this

1753
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:47,199
tree that would be perfect for throwing and you could

1754
01:46:47,239 --> 01:46:49,239
just step out and make it throw and then just

1755
01:46:49,359 --> 01:46:51,520
kind of duck back in this. Area so THEN i

1756
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:54,199
started looking a little closer in that, area AND i

1757
01:46:54,279 --> 01:46:57,760
find a fresh sixteen and a half inch by fifteen

1758
01:46:57,760 --> 01:47:00,600
and a half inch print there saying signs that we

1759
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:03,960
had before the primior, year and there's two of. Them

1760
01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:07,640
one was REALLY i could see really, clear but AS

1761
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:11,039
i scanned, IT i THINK i sent you the scan on,

1762
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:15,079
it BUT i could see where something had stepped on

1763
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:18,239
a branch that had pulled up the pine cone the

1764
01:47:18,319 --> 01:47:22,560
left side of the full straight ridge pressure releaset you

1765
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:24,760
know in, there and you could DEFINITELY i could see

1766
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,640
toes in. It and it was definitely it could it stepped.

1767
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:30,600
There it had a lot of pressure on. It and

1768
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,439
then the second one was off to the, side AND

1769
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,199
i think when it Saw curtis leave and go to

1770
01:47:36,279 --> 01:47:39,000
the bare, box which was not visible from that, angle

1771
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,920
it went up to this open area where the tree was,

1772
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:43,840
covered AND i think that's where it threw a. Rock

1773
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:47,960
but it was like a fresh. Print but it was

1774
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,199
a perfect, spot you, know for, Me i'm going to throw,

1775
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:54,000
it and the angle was right to where it would

1776
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:56,960
land on the dirt and then roll onto the you,

1777
01:47:57,000 --> 01:48:01,720
know onto the drive the driveway where the, rocks.

1778
01:48:01,359 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 4: And we went in and laser of that distance and

1779
01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:07,119
here's WHERE i say we have to think out of the.

1780
01:48:07,159 --> 01:48:11,039
Box it. Was it was fifty one yards and you

1781
01:48:11,039 --> 01:48:13,640
know the rock WAS i don't know which of the

1782
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:17,000
ten thousand rocks in the in the gravel driveway that

1783
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,920
the rock, was Or i'd have a souvenir as, well

1784
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:25,279
but you, know you can't a human just can't throw

1785
01:48:25,319 --> 01:48:28,439
a rock that size fifty one. Yards in, Fact david

1786
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:30,800
AND i we have a video of us trying to

1787
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,760
throw a rock and we both probably threw it about

1788
01:48:33,800 --> 01:48:36,359
thirty five yards just because you, know the rock doesn't

1789
01:48:36,399 --> 01:48:38,840
have that much. Weight it's not like throwing a baseball

1790
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:42,960
or anything like. That it's bigger and more, weight you.

1791
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:47,760
Know and that's why when WHEN i heard the sud you,

1792
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:50,000
Know i'm just thinking in terms THAT i, know not

1793
01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:53,439
not WHAT i don't. Know AND i looked at the closest.

1794
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:56,800
PLACE i WISH i had scanned the whole tree. Line

1795
01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:59,760
who knows IF i would have seen the thing looking

1796
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:02,840
at us through this through that, Area but that was

1797
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:07,680
the exact area that that excellence found In. June, so,

1798
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:13,079
uh you, know getting back to, that was it seems

1799
01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:17,319
like they were always watching. US i, agree both In

1800
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:21,079
june then In. August something always seemed to be watching. This.

1801
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:25,520
Speaker 5: Yeah SO i, THINK i, say you our video of

1802
01:49:25,560 --> 01:49:26,880
when we were trying to document.

1803
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 3: That, yeah when you're nine feet tall and you've got you,

1804
01:49:34,439 --> 01:49:43,079
know a sixty, destride you've got a different, perspective different vantage,

1805
01:49:43,079 --> 01:49:46,439
points different throwing, angles all sorts of.

1806
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:49,720
Speaker 5: Things. Yeah but, yeah one of my you, KNOW i started,

1807
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:52,800
Thinking i've been thinking about, that and you, know with my,

1808
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:56,520
interest with my interest in you, Know Native american, sign

1809
01:49:57,119 --> 01:50:01,680
WHAT i realized is That curtis actually communicated with The

1810
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,880
sasquatch when he waved at. It you, know The sasquatch

1811
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:08,760
didn't know That curtis didn't recognize, it but he knew

1812
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:10,920
That curtis had seen it when he waved at. It

1813
01:50:11,079 --> 01:50:15,680
and But curtis kept walking away in different, directions and it,

1814
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:17,920
was you, know after the rock. Throw i'm wondering if,

1815
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,479
that you, know he wasn't throwing to hit. Him he'd

1816
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:26,039
he threw it When curtis had gone out of, sight you,

1817
01:50:26,079 --> 01:50:28,119
know over the bare. Box But i'm wondering if there

1818
01:50:28,199 --> 01:50:31,960
was some communication or make contact or. Something i'm not

1819
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:36,079
sure what, happened but maybe the same thing happened when

1820
01:50:36,119 --> 01:50:39,640
they threw a rock by my. HAMMOCK i did go

1821
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:41,680
WHEN i went into the, woods you, know looking for that.

1822
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,840
AREA i did try to do Some native sign into the.

1823
01:50:45,880 --> 01:50:51,119
Woods you, know, hey we're you, know we're, good good.

1824
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:56,880
People we're you, know we speak the. Truth you, know you,

1825
01:50:56,960 --> 01:50:59,960
know come counsel with, us you, know you know they

1826
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:04,760
things like. That no one, came but you, know that's

1827
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,279
WHAT i was trying to do at that. Time you,

1828
01:51:07,319 --> 01:51:10,720
know that, night at three o'clock or my motion lights went,

1829
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:13,880
off and we had Decided, Okay i'm going to go

1830
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,640
put my thermal in the trees on a large game,

1831
01:51:17,680 --> 01:51:23,800
trail and right from that area where bacambrew, was all

1832
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:28,239
of a, SUDDEN i got. This something just went off

1833
01:51:28,279 --> 01:51:30,960
and it was like angry bart. Owls you, know if

1834
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,479
you put anger into there this. Footing it was angry

1835
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:37,960
and it just started shooting and you, know and took

1836
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,359
off and was moving and went towards our gifting area

1837
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:44,399
and it went on for it looked like it kept

1838
01:51:44,439 --> 01:51:46,359
going all the way to the game here and did him,

1839
01:51:46,359 --> 01:51:50,279
back curled back across the. Creek it went on for

1840
01:51:50,279 --> 01:51:53,520
about fifteen, minutes just and it was angry. Sounds you,

1841
01:51:53,560 --> 01:51:56,479
know it was, weird AND i think it might have

1842
01:51:56,600 --> 01:52:00,000
walked into and found my, game my thermal and got

1843
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:04,560
mad and then took off and went that whole big

1844
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:07,520
circle for about fifteen, minutes just going off with this

1845
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:11,319
angry voice and angry sound in that same direction that

1846
01:52:11,359 --> 01:52:14,720
we had heard the quote ducks or whatever you know

1847
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:18,399
in that and so something happened to something got angry at.

1848
01:52:18,399 --> 01:52:23,479
Speaker 3: That all of this is just kind of very reminiscent

1849
01:52:23,600 --> 01:52:27,880
of other locations That i've experienced and heard about in the.

1850
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,359
Past usually in a very similar setup as what you

1851
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:33,600
guys are talking, about these type of campground.

1852
01:52:33,640 --> 01:52:38,119
Speaker 4: Areas, yeah and this is the most remote campground in the,

1853
01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:41,600
area the class one before you get to the. Wilderness

1854
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:46,359
so so you, know literally across the creek is The

1855
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:50,479
Salmo Priests. Wilderness and as will As david said, Earlier

1856
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:55,640
will so it has a hypothesis based on where he's encountered,

1857
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,039
things you, know a mile and a half down the

1858
01:52:58,119 --> 01:53:00,960
road or two miles down the road that up up

1859
01:53:01,000 --> 01:53:04,680
in that. Hill they may be staying in caves or

1860
01:53:04,800 --> 01:53:08,760
old mines or something like. That obviously nobody, knows but

1861
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:13,800
just across the creek from the last campground on the

1862
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:19,279
roads the sound Of priest builders so very.

1863
01:53:19,319 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 3: Interesting at least you mentioned that road where you guys

1864
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:25,840
went and checked out that historic site that was old

1865
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:26,920
copper mines with some.

1866
01:53:27,079 --> 01:53:31,119
Speaker 5: Buildings, yeah it was down By camp. Sixteen it was

1867
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,359
further down for just A Sullivan lake.

1868
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:38,920
Speaker 3: Area is that a location where like a lot of

1869
01:53:38,920 --> 01:53:40,319
people go to look at it and.

1870
01:53:40,319 --> 01:53:45,560
Speaker 5: STUFF i don't. Know it looked like there was some

1871
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:50,439
information on a board there and, stuff but the road

1872
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,479
itself was gated off at that. Time SO i don't

1873
01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,039
know if they opened up a certain times of the

1874
01:53:54,119 --> 01:53:58,439
year and people go up, There but at that time

1875
01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:00,840
we just parked at the gate and walked all the way.

1876
01:54:00,840 --> 01:54:04,399
In did you notice any trash cans up? There? NO i.

1877
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:06,600
Speaker 4: Didn't, NO i didn't need.

1878
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:11,600
Speaker 3: It usually they have trash cans if there's a lot

1879
01:54:11,640 --> 01:54:12,960
of people that travel to the.

1880
01:54:13,039 --> 01:54:16,520
Speaker 4: Area Like david, said they kind of had an information,

1881
01:54:16,720 --> 01:54:20,439
sign and then when you got closer to the buildings and,

1882
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:24,439
said there was kind of a warning these are historical,

1883
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,880
buildings please Don't, yeah The Jase memmer and stuff like.

1884
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:30,880
That but, NO i don't remember any trash.

1885
01:54:30,920 --> 01:54:36,199
Speaker 3: Cans how far is that location from the uh the

1886
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:39,239
rain collection station you were talking.

1887
01:54:39,039 --> 01:54:45,960
Speaker 5: About, well the ring collection was only about thirty thirty

1888
01:54:46,039 --> 01:54:49,560
yards up on the ridge from our. Camped the copper

1889
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,880
mine trail that we went up was about a mile

1890
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,800
and a half two miles Down Persulting. Lake i'm just

1891
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:59,159
thinking about the thumping.

1892
01:54:59,279 --> 01:55:04,399
Speaker 4: Sound oh, yeah, HEY i guess it could be a

1893
01:55:04,439 --> 01:55:07,479
bit loud, enough you, know sound carried at, night so.

1894
01:55:08,479 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 5: Uh you, know, yeah that would be a long way's. Way,

1895
01:55:11,960 --> 01:55:16,880
yeah The will recorded the same sound from his. Camp

1896
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,000
he put on one of his. VIDEOS i just heard

1897
01:55:20,039 --> 01:55:23,720
it today and mine was. Louder SO i think the

1898
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:28,479
direction of where it's coming from was further to the

1899
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:33,600
northeast from our. Camp Because will's was, soft was was

1900
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,000
quieter than, mine and he picked up the scene found

1901
01:55:37,079 --> 01:55:37,239
on his.

1902
01:55:37,399 --> 01:55:42,479
Speaker 3: Canel it just sounds, like, uh for sure that THAT.

1903
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 5: I, mean this is all. Speculation.

1904
01:55:48,359 --> 01:55:53,239
Speaker 3: Disclaimer this part will probably be edited, out But i'm

1905
01:55:53,319 --> 01:55:56,920
going to say that the Tan one is a century

1906
01:55:57,279 --> 01:56:02,600
that watches that campsite, area and you guys are encountering

1907
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:05,520
it every, year AND i think that others moved through

1908
01:56:05,600 --> 01:56:08,319
that area and that's why that sentry is there.

1909
01:56:11,239 --> 01:56:14,119
Speaker 4: Well and the moving, through you, know makes sense with

1910
01:56:14,319 --> 01:56:17,600
What david had heard with The Sarah towns the year.

1911
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:21,600
Before something had moved through the camp and he heard

1912
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:23,920
at LEAST i think you, said at least three different.

1913
01:56:24,359 --> 01:56:29,359
Individuals is that, Right? David, yeah so, yeah it very.

1914
01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:33,039
Well maybe maybe a trackway for, them that's very.

1915
01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:40,279
Speaker 3: Possible if there was some way for you guys to

1916
01:56:40,439 --> 01:56:46,039
go into that area and try to race to that

1917
01:56:46,279 --> 01:56:49,520
spot where you found those pine bows on that overlook

1918
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:53,319
and try to beat it to that, spot you might see.

1919
01:56:53,359 --> 01:57:00,119
Speaker 4: One, yeah here's the thing it probably took. Us this

1920
01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:03,039
thing was at about a forty or fifty degree. Angle

1921
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,479
it probably took us twenty minutes to get up to that. Time, now,

1922
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:11,600
yeah and you, know obviously they're more athletics than we.

1923
01:57:11,760 --> 01:57:15,960
Are twenty, minutes they have enough warning to be, gone you,

1924
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:20,199
Know i'm sure if they. Were if one was sitting,

1925
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:23,960
there it saw coming from almost literally a mile, away you,

1926
01:57:24,039 --> 01:57:26,560
know in the AS i said, that you could see

1927
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:30,199
a portion of the, meadow of the portion in the,

1928
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:32,840
meadow and that's Where david AND i were, camped And

1929
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:35,399
will came and got us as. Possible it even Saw

1930
01:57:36,039 --> 01:57:40,079
will come get us and then pretty sener hurt us

1931
01:57:40,279 --> 01:57:43,680
kind of stopping up the, hill and it could have

1932
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,159
been five miles away by the time we got up.

1933
01:57:46,199 --> 01:57:51,000
Speaker 3: There, well like how you guys were earlier talking, about you,

1934
01:57:51,119 --> 01:57:59,520
know your original trip to The Gifford pinchot and hearing

1935
01:57:59,600 --> 01:58:03,920
the out and the similarities with the owl stuff going,

1936
01:58:03,960 --> 01:58:09,039
on the same exact thing goes on here In oklahoma

1937
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:13,680
and other parts of the Southern United, States, Texas, Mississippi

1938
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:21,960
alabama for, Sure, Tennessee arkansas also with Bart, Owl's so

1939
01:58:22,079 --> 01:58:28,439
there's definitely something going on it's not just. COINCIDENCE i

1940
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,960
don't know what it. IS i don't know what it,

1941
01:58:32,199 --> 01:58:34,840
is but there's there's something with the. Owls AND i

1942
01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:38,520
will say that in a particular location In, oklahoma we

1943
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:46,079
definitely thought that they were in this particular campground that

1944
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:51,039
they were following the raccoons in at. Night the raccoons

1945
01:58:51,039 --> 01:58:53,720
would come in and like you, know raid campsites and

1946
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:58,560
trash cans and, stuff and, right there were a few

1947
01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:02,239
times where it seemed like activity kind of followed the

1948
01:59:02,359 --> 01:59:06,239
raccoons into the. Campsites which the idea that something that

1949
01:59:06,600 --> 01:59:11,199
large would use such small animals to try and conceal

1950
01:59:11,239 --> 01:59:15,800
itself or mask its location seems kind of. Ridiculous BUT

1951
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:19,239
i don't, know just little THINGS i take mental note

1952
01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:19,920
of over the.

1953
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:26,279
Speaker 4: Years, well it's definitely been our experience the three times

1954
01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:28,359
we've been to Just metal vand like you, said the one,

1955
01:59:28,399 --> 01:59:32,039
time WHICH i think is like two hundred and fifty

1956
01:59:32,079 --> 01:59:36,479
miles away give it, takes so, YEAH i mean we've

1957
01:59:37,239 --> 01:59:43,199
we've heard weird noises and activity too that all followed

1958
01:59:43,319 --> 01:59:47,800
what sounded like bar owls or even weird bartels or

1959
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:54,520
Weird so we've definitely our limited experience found that.

1960
01:59:54,680 --> 01:59:58,399
Speaker 3: Too so do you guys got plans to return or

1961
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:08,239
is Is will going to be doing ongoing? RESEARCH i hope, so, well, yeah.

1962
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:10,439
Speaker 4: We'll we'll only leave about an hour and a half,

1963
02:00:10,479 --> 02:00:13,960
away so he he periodically goes all. Over he has

1964
02:00:14,079 --> 02:00:16,640
multiple spots that he goes, to so it's not just

1965
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,760
Up Sulivan creek And i'm sure he'll be up. There,

1966
02:00:20,279 --> 02:00:24,359
Yeah david AND i we were talking about. That we

1967
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:29,960
we had so much activity at at The Sulivan creek

1968
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:32,239
area that it's hard not to go back To Gypsy.

1969
02:00:32,319 --> 02:00:36,960
Meadows interestingly, enough the night that, YOU i And david

1970
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:40,680
were all what was a good night to do this?

1971
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:46,000
Interview we finally pinned down a day and. Time two hours,

1972
02:00:46,119 --> 02:00:51,479
later the guy who was on Your Stupham valley podcast

1973
02:00:51,920 --> 02:00:55,720
number one fifty one texted me and he, said, hey

1974
02:00:55,960 --> 02:00:59,720
what are you And david doing in the. Springtime we're

1975
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:03,520
going to get a few guys together to go here

1976
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:08,199
a Good gifford and do some. Expressions so we might

1977
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:09,319
join that trip as.

1978
02:01:09,359 --> 02:01:14,800
Speaker 3: WELL i Think david might have to find a place.

1979
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:20,720
CLOSER i don't know If candy is going to wait

1980
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:27,359
a year to go back to places, Well i'll tell,

1981
02:01:27,439 --> 02:01:27,960
you you.

1982
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:28,319
Speaker 4: Know you.

1983
02:01:30,319 --> 02:01:31,760
Speaker 2: Know that's.

1984
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:37,399
Speaker 4: Last, Well david's even taking about along third, doorway aren't.

1985
02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:45,359
Speaker 5: You david going? Where? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so my my

1986
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:48,279
Son cody is a total skeptic and thinks that we're

1987
02:01:49,399 --> 02:01:52,079
what you, know whack whack doctors out in the. Woods

1988
02:01:52,199 --> 02:01:57,199
but he wants us to come out Of South carolina

1989
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:59,800
and take him out so he can hear these sounds

1990
02:01:59,840 --> 02:02:03,640
and we keep saying or hearing and there's a lot

1991
02:02:03,720 --> 02:02:05,760
of the movie research about.

1992
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:06,119
Speaker 4: That In.

1993
02:02:06,319 --> 02:02:10,239
Speaker 5: Georgia they're having a lot of settings out in That

1994
02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:20,479
North Georgia tennessee area we're thinking, of we're thinking of

1995
02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:22,000
that area for a trip With.

1996
02:02:22,119 --> 02:02:28,159
Speaker 4: Cody, well, Well cody doesn't. Understand we've been extremely. Fortunate

1997
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:32,039
most people don't go out four times and have something

1998
02:02:32,119 --> 02:02:35,520
happened every single, time and probably the next twenty times

1999
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:39,159
we go somewhere we didn't have things. Happened but you,

2000
02:02:39,199 --> 02:02:43,720
know he PARTLY i think he think that he thinks

2001
02:02:43,760 --> 02:02:46,000
we're crazy is just because all this stuff that has.

2002
02:02:46,039 --> 02:02:50,399
Happened but you, KNOW i don't know how fine of

2003
02:02:50,439 --> 02:02:55,720
the things that we've we've we've, seen we've, heard we've,

2004
02:02:55,760 --> 02:03:02,439
smelled we've got thrown at. Us you, know we've been in.

2005
02:03:02,640 --> 02:03:07,159
Touched we've been extremely fortunate to our four trips to

2006
02:03:07,279 --> 02:03:09,199
have crazy things happen every single.

2007
02:03:09,279 --> 02:03:14,199
Speaker 5: TIME i had been contacted by a local couple of

2008
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:17,279
hunters and they want to get together with me and

2009
02:03:17,359 --> 02:03:20,119
tell me their. Story but they have errogat these, days really.

2010
02:03:20,199 --> 02:03:23,319
Active it's closer to, years so your answer TO i

2011
02:03:23,399 --> 02:03:27,960
find something closer might might come into effect. Too, well

2012
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,880
once you get, hooked it's it's hard to get.

2013
02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,359
Speaker 4: On, yeah it.

2014
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:36,960
Speaker 5: Is Luckily curtis is retired and he has all the

2015
02:03:37,039 --> 02:03:39,239
time to go and do all this research on. YouTube

2016
02:03:42,720 --> 02:03:46,760
i'm still. Working but aren't you In? ARIZONA i, am.

2017
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:51,239
Speaker 4: SO i usually fly To. Sacramento david drives and two

2018
02:03:51,359 --> 02:03:54,960
hours To, sacramento and then we drive forty more hours

2019
02:03:55,039 --> 02:03:57,680
To Gypsy. Metal so it's a sixteen hour drive For

2020
02:03:57,880 --> 02:04:01,680
david and a fourteen hour drive in a two hour

2021
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:05,880
plane trip for. Me, yeah it's a little hard to get.

2022
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:08,399
There it's a little way to get, there but every

2023
02:04:08,439 --> 02:04:09,359
time it's been worth.

2024
02:04:09,359 --> 02:04:13,000
Speaker 5: It well they are In.

2025
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:21,520
Speaker 3: Arizona, Yeah, Yeah i've Had i've had a few people

2026
02:04:21,640 --> 02:04:26,039
on the show From arizona and Especially New, mexico The

2027
02:04:26,119 --> 02:04:30,439
Four corners. Region there's lots of activity around. There these

2028
02:04:30,520 --> 02:04:35,239
things just seem to be pretty much, everywhere, yep which

2029
02:04:35,479 --> 02:04:41,239
also adds to the. Strangeness, yes it does, well. GUYS

2030
02:04:41,319 --> 02:04:44,159
i appreciate you coming On, candy thanks for joining them

2031
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:48,720
and sharing your. Experiences i've enjoyed hearing about. It and, uh,

2032
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:51,520
yeah you guys need to keep me in the.

2033
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:55,960
Speaker 5: Loop you know you started the.

2034
02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:57,479
Speaker 3: STORY i want TO i want to hear how it.

2035
02:04:57,560 --> 02:05:01,840
Speaker 5: Finishes, yeah definitely an ongoing rabbit.

2036
02:05:01,880 --> 02:05:06,760
Speaker 3: Hole if you've had your own experience With bigfoot or

2037
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:08,600
something you can't explain and you'd like to share your

2038
02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:11,600
story on the, podcast email me At Bigfoot crossroads at

2039
02:05:11,640 --> 02:05:14,840
gmail dot. Com check out the Website Bigfoot crossroads dot.

2040
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:18,119
Com you can find links to social, media past, episodes,

2041
02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:22,039
merchandise everything you need all in one. Place and until next,

2042
02:05:22,079 --> 02:05:24,680
time remember there's something in the.

2043
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:25,039
Speaker 5: Woods