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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, Jay Widener here, thanks for watching and hit

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<v Speaker 1>like and all that stuff. Well, after what we thought

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<v Speaker 1>was going to take three months ended up taking them

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks, so we're really happy. We thanked the universe

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<v Speaker 1>because A Clockwork Shining is up on Amazon right now

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<v Speaker 1>and anyone can go watch it. It's a low price,

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<v Speaker 1>not as low as our last one, but I had

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<v Speaker 1>no choice on the price. Amazon shows everything for me.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's up. It's good, and I I remember a

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<v Speaker 1>quote from Quentin Tarantino where he said that no one's

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<v Speaker 1>ever made a good film past year their sixtieth year.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's sixty two, so gotter be worried. And

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<v Speaker 1>I know what he means, because directing is so physical

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<v Speaker 1>that it's you know, it's like a baseball or football,

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<v Speaker 1>so a young man's sport it really is, or a

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<v Speaker 1>young woman's sport. It's just physical. There's nothing you do

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<v Speaker 1>about it. You're exhausted every day, and you can't do

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<v Speaker 1>it when you get older. So I always thought, oh, Quentin

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<v Speaker 1>Tarantino's not really giving up making movies. He's just going

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<v Speaker 1>to write and produce movies and let somebody younger direct

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<v Speaker 1>and do all the extra I think that's what's about

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<v Speaker 1>to happen anyway, That's the situation I got myself into.

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<v Speaker 1>I quit making films, quit production in in twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>and retired and went to my put my ranch in

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado and took up the two things I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>take up my whole life and never got to, which

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<v Speaker 1>was being a really good cook or a good chef

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<v Speaker 1>and gardening. And I did both. And then two years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>a year and a half ago, Yeah, Rider and I

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<v Speaker 1>were talking and we decided to make a Clockwork Shining.

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<v Speaker 1>That was our first decision, and then only later did

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<v Speaker 1>we change our mind and go first with your Akax.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that was the best thing we ever

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<v Speaker 1>could do because it was a great way to launch

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<v Speaker 1>our combination of skills and see where we're weak or

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<v Speaker 1>where we're strong and all that, so that when we

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<v Speaker 1>did do a Clockwork Shining, it would be amazing. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is. I think it's actually the best film of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four. I know that sounds crazy. Hey Ryder,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing.

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<v Speaker 2>How's it going, Jay? Thanks for having me on? And man,

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<v Speaker 2>I am so excited. Holy crap. When I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, I'm not gonna lie. I actually had a

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<v Speaker 2>dream last night, right before I woke up. Then I

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<v Speaker 2>checked Amazon and it was on there. And that's not

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<v Speaker 2>bulls shedding nothing. I legitimately had a dream that it

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<v Speaker 2>was on Amazon, and it was right before I woke up,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was the first thing that I did was

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<v Speaker 2>roll over, grab my phone, check Amazon, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>was on there, and it was like, Holly crap. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I called you and I was like, Jay, it's

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<v Speaker 2>on Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to get up really early this morning, had

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<v Speaker 1>a cat, had to go to the doctor, and I

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<v Speaker 1>checked I could do as soon as I get up.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was seven o'clock my time, and it wasn't up.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got back about an hour later, I

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<v Speaker 1>checked it, it wasn't up. And then you called me about

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<v Speaker 1>two hours alater and it was up. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>in that window of time that it went up, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's on Amazon Prime. Everyone's got to go see it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're really gonna like it. It's the even if you

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<v Speaker 1>remove the shining from the film, let's see you just

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<v Speaker 1>go in and remove the shining. It's the best history,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, of the MK Ultra programs ever. But when

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<v Speaker 1>you wrap it in a pop culture icon like Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>Kubrick's The Shining and then you see because it does

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<v Speaker 1>shake you, you know, you do wonder if he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>making a movie about this, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's very difficult to argue with our analysis, I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've shown it to a few people so far.

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<v Speaker 2>They got to see the screen or copy of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are just completely blown away. They're literally like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much information in here. I got to rewatch

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<v Speaker 2>it again, and that's really what's There's it's really fast

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<v Speaker 2>paced and moves really quickly, but there are some breaks

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<v Speaker 2>in there where you can kind of catch your breath,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't catch your breath for very long, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's like right back into it. It's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>long movie. It's almost two hours. It's I think o'

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<v Speaker 2>clocks in it around an hour and fifty minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>But doesn't feel like it though.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what other people have said as well. They've said

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<v Speaker 2>that it's once you start watching it, you can't stop

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<v Speaker 2>watching it, is what people have told me, like my

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<v Speaker 2>friends that have seen it so far, And of course

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<v Speaker 2>it just got released today, so the majority of people

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<v Speaker 2>have not gotten the scene see it I've only sent

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<v Speaker 2>it to a handful of my really close friends, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, yeah, this is a very fast pace. It

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<v Speaker 2>moves quick, you want to rewatch it again. And it

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<v Speaker 2>encompasses so much in there that that they're pretty much like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much going on that it that I really

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<v Speaker 2>recommend people to just buy it. And that's really what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on, because you're gonna, I think you can when

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<v Speaker 2>you rent it, you can watch it for like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four hours over and over again. But you're gonna it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like with jfk said. The same thing with

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<v Speaker 2>jfk X when we made it, was that you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>want to buy it because you're gonna want to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it several times over and over and over again. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that we did a really good job with

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<v Speaker 2>encompassing everything that we wanted. I mean, I could have

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<v Speaker 2>made this movie like three hours long. This could easily

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<v Speaker 2>have been a three or four hour long.

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<v Speaker 1>Movie, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's so much stuff that we could have said

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<v Speaker 2>in there. But we might do end up doing a

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<v Speaker 2>director's cut or something later on with the movie as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's kind of where where we're at right now.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm really excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we brought We brought out a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of information in the film that's really never been presented before,

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<v Speaker 1>including this idea that perhaps perhaps because of the failure

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<v Speaker 1>of Barry Linton, which is Stanley Kubrick's greatest failure of

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<v Speaker 1>all his films, he was he had just signed a contract,

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<v Speaker 1>excuse me, a fight, no line infection, he just signed

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<v Speaker 1>contract with Warner Brothers, and he's delivered with clockwork Orange.

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<v Speaker 1>But he failed massively. And what happened is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>find this really fascinating, is in around nineteen seventy three

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<v Speaker 1>or four, he was offered to do The Exorcist, and

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<v Speaker 1>Warner Brothers had this incredibly great idea that what we

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<v Speaker 1>will do is we'll take a horror novel that's a

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<v Speaker 1>bestseller and we'll marry it to a type a top

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<v Speaker 1>director and an A list director. And so they got

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<v Speaker 1>William Friedkin, who was hot off of the French connection,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a great director. He doesn't nobody can argue with that.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a great director. And they married him together

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<v Speaker 1>and they had one of the biggest hits of all time,

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<v Speaker 1>The Exorcist, and Cuba could turn that down. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>really important to understand that he chose to do Barry Linden,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a very expensive movie, and it lost a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money. And I believe I can't prove this

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<v Speaker 1>by speculating the film. I believe that around nineteen seventy five,

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<v Speaker 1>when The Shining had not yet come out as a novel,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen King's The Shining, he was given I know he

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<v Speaker 1>was given a pre sale copy of the book. I

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<v Speaker 1>believe he was told by Warner Brothers that you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have to make this, this kind of has to

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<v Speaker 1>be your next project. Why, because they're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Double Lightning. They wanted a top A list

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<v Speaker 1>director married to a top best selling horror novel, which

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<v Speaker 1>The Shining was. And I think because he had turned

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<v Speaker 1>down The Exorcist before, Hubert kind of read the writing

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall. I don't think anybody forced him to

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<v Speaker 1>do it or anything, but he took the book and

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<v Speaker 1>decided to make it. And it's you know, as we

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<v Speaker 1>point out in the film, Kubrick didn't believe in the supernatural,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all that book is, this ghosts and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to influence his family and everything. And Cubert just just

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't his cup of tea. And you know, everybody has

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<v Speaker 1>their belief systems, that was his. He was a firm

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<v Speaker 1>believer in grit reality. So he had a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>problems with the book, is what we speculate, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really interesting because we bring it up in

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<v Speaker 2>the film too. It's like, is this really a horror film?

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<v Speaker 2>Because it's really not. There's not really anything that happens

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<v Speaker 2>in the movie that is considered to be horror us

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<v Speaker 2>besides the last like thirty minutes of the movie is

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<v Speaker 2>the only parts of that are like horror. And I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta be honest with you, Jay, like the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that I seen it, and I gotta be honest with

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<v Speaker 2>the audience too. I did not like the shining. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that it was boring. There was nothing going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, what is this? Why? Why have

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<v Speaker 2>people so fascinated with this? It makes zero sense? And

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<v Speaker 2>then it wasn't until I was sort of forced to

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<v Speaker 2>watch it several times over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I watched it when I was bringing you

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<v Speaker 2>on my show around two years ago. Yeah, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, huh, there's a lot of really strange things

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<v Speaker 2>in here. And it started to click with me, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, holy crap, this is over here. This is

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<v Speaker 2>super symbolic. This is going on. There's a poster over here,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a there's something on in the background of the

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<v Speaker 2>gold Room. There's a freaking swastika in the background of

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<v Speaker 2>the gold room, you know, like all this different stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a handprint on the lady's asses walking by after

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<v Speaker 2>Jack gets up from the bar, before he bumps into Grady.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's all this stuff that's that's going on

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<v Speaker 2>that I really don't think that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have seen, which is really wild that you can watch

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<v Speaker 2>it still and find things that people still haven't seen,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And that's what my kind of problem was

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<v Speaker 2>with it was whenever I was, you know, watching it

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<v Speaker 2>and running my analysis through it, I was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not going to find anything that people haven't seen in

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<v Speaker 2>this movie yet. But it turns out that I did,

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<v Speaker 2>and and there were several things that the swastika in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the gold Room, I don't I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>no one has ever seen that. Ever. It was probably

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<v Speaker 2>because I seen it on a big screen. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>that in the theater. They did a replay of it

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<v Speaker 2>for Halloween last year, so I went to the theater

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<v Speaker 2>and I got to see it on the big screen.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the only way that I would have even

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<v Speaker 2>noticed that that was even there, because I've seen it

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<v Speaker 2>on the big screen.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting because you were.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about William Freaking earlier and I had I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to a lot of well, you know how it is

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<v Speaker 2>when you're making a documentary and you're trying to find footage.

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<v Speaker 2>You listen to a lot of interviews, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>b roll, a lot of information and stuff. And I

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<v Speaker 2>listened to an entire thing with William Freaking. I listened

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<v Speaker 2>to probably two or three hours of interviews with him

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<v Speaker 2>that I actually wanted to put in the movie but

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how he hates filmmaking. He said, I hate it.

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<v Speaker 2>it's frustrating, it takes up too much time. But then

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<v Speaker 2>he said, the thing that I love about filmmaking is

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<v Speaker 2>the editing process. The editing process is the most fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the most enjoyable. And I think that that's really

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<v Speaker 2>what hearing him say that actually got me through completing

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, if you think about it, as people have

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<v Speaker 1>The music comes from you know, classical music. Mostly the

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<v Speaker 1>form for all the things that make up movies. Costumes

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<v Speaker 1>come from theater. But there's only one thing that makes

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<v Speaker 1>movies making stand out from all other art forms, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is editing. You when you're the editor, you are

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<v Speaker 1>That's that, That is what filmmaking is. Filmmaking is not

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<v Speaker 1>pointing cameras. Filmmaking is not writing screenplays. The real essence

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<v Speaker 1>made and I'm never gonna do that one, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>so by the time the guy's done like four or

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, during this movie, I wanted to bang my freaking

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<v Speaker 2>head against the wall several times making this thing, just

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<v Speaker 2>because it was you know, it's a long movie, and

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<v Speaker 2>when you're editing a long movie like that, the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of times that you have to watch it is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've probably seen The Shining more than anybody on

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<v Speaker 2>the planet. I've probably watched it more times than anybody

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<v Speaker 2>more times than anybody is probably ever going to watch

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<v Speaker 2>it too. But the editing process is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a jigsaw puzzle, right, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>you had a jagsaw puzzle that was like twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>find the first piece, right where do you start?

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<v Speaker 3>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's important to have a vision with it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I kept my vision through the entire editing process.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I knew where everything needed to be, and I

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<v Speaker 2>knew how everything needed to hit because I had already,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, raked it over in my mind several times.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, from the time that we decided to start

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<v Speaker 2>shooting this movie. Every single night, all I did was

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<v Speaker 2>the ideas and where I wanted everything in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I did, and that's what I had to

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<v Speaker 2>to actually do it, I couldn't waste my time trying

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<v Speaker 2>to figure out where everything needed to go. I already

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And then we got a lot of We've

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of surprising information in the interviews we did.

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<v Speaker 1>We interviewed Walter Bosley, we interviewed Kathy O'Brien, the victim

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<v Speaker 1>of the Monarch MK Ultra programs. Walter Bosi, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>was in the Air Force OSI the Special Investigation Arm

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Devlin, isn't it. He's a specialist in the entertainment world,

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<v Speaker 1>and he brings in a whole bunch of incredible information

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Attwill who's an expert on Catcher in Their Eye,

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<v Speaker 1>And most people have never really caught the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>see Shelley Devall, she's reading Catcher in Their Eye and

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<v Speaker 1>there's this whole background behind that. Over and over we

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<v Speaker 1>discover through the Shining pointers to m k Ultra programs,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're all through the movie. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>give away too much, so that's one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>important ones. So and then when we look into Kubrick,

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<v Speaker 1>and we were very nice to stan Lee in this movie,

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<v Speaker 1>up before I go into that. So in our movie

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<v Speaker 1>we present, you know, Stanley Kubrick's lesser, less known ending

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<v Speaker 1>to The Shining. There was another ending to The Shining

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<v Speaker 1>that cubric lopped off at the last second because well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. Maybe I think he had one excuse,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the real excuse is because the alternate ending,

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<v Speaker 1>of The Shining reveals that it actually is an MK

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<v Speaker 1>Ultra operation and we show a AI generated We showed

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<v Speaker 1>the ending in our movie an AI generated ending, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's really interesting what happens in it, and we explained

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<v Speaker 1>all of it in the film, But it gave away

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<v Speaker 1>too much, don't you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? And I think that that was a big reason

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<v Speaker 2>because the excuse was is that q Break ran test

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<v Speaker 2>screenings of his movies to the test screenings of the

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<v Speaker 2>movie the shining to people and uh, people were just

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<v Speaker 2>getting up and leaving before the credits has had rolled,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were just not talking to each other. They

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<v Speaker 2>they would just get up, and so he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>Editor go to the.

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<v Speaker 2>Movie theaters to where it was showing and splice the

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<v Speaker 2>ending of the film. And that's how we get the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the famous ending of the film with Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, being frozen outside basically and dying and then

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<v Speaker 2>a zooms into the picture on the wall, and but

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<v Speaker 2>there was a whole other ending that completely got cut out,

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<v Speaker 2>and that ending that really does reveal the entire movie.

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<v Speaker 2>It tells you exactly what it is and That's the

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<v Speaker 2>thing about Stanley Kubrick is he's his movies are very ambiguous.

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<v Speaker 2>He wants the audience to put two and two together

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<v Speaker 2>on their own and come up with their own interpretation.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one of my favorite things about Stanley Kubrick

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that he makes films. It's not even

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<v Speaker 2>so much as filming style. It's it's the way that

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<v Speaker 2>he puts together a movie and doesn't give everything away

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<v Speaker 2>in exposition, because that's a really big problem with movies nowadays.

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<v Speaker 2>In the past two to three decades, everything is given

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<v Speaker 2>away an exposition. It's all given away between the dialogue

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<v Speaker 2>between the characters, you know, and instead of letting the

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<v Speaker 2>audience put everything together themselves. And that's another thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard about our movie at Clockwork Shiny is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's a it's an intelligent movie that gives you payoffs

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<v Speaker 2>longer longer that you wait in the movie, it gives

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<v Speaker 2>you payoffs. So it's like a it's an intelligent movie

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to stick with. And that's what Stanley

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<v Speaker 2>Kubrick was trying to do with pretty much all of

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<v Speaker 2>his movies. He wanted the audience. That's why he also

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do interviews. He hated doing interviews because if he

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<v Speaker 2>told the audience what he thought that the film was

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<v Speaker 2>really about, then that squashes anything that they thought that

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<v Speaker 2>it was about. So when a filmmaker tells you, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what my foot movie's about, completely res all theories

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<v Speaker 2>and speculation that they could come up with their on

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<v Speaker 2>their own. And that's one of the great things about

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley Kubrick, not only him, you know, being a great

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<v Speaker 2>filmmaker and you know, leaving the camera on the subject

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<v Speaker 2>for a long period of time before cutting. That's another

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<v Speaker 2>thing that filmmakers nowadays really need to get away from

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<v Speaker 2>is all these you know, these jump cuts. But in

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary it's different. You have to do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cuts and edits and stuff in a documentary. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you're making an actual film, like There's Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>call him what is it called not action scenes, but

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<v Speaker 2>like shaky cam. They do the shaky cam and the

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<v Speaker 2>all the jump cuts in there, and they don't leave

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<v Speaker 2>the camera on a subject. There's been very few films

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<v Speaker 2>that's been made recently that has that style of filmmaking.

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<v Speaker 2>But that coupled with not giving away everything within the

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<v Speaker 2>exposition and the dialogue between the characters and the way

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<v Speaker 2>that he filmed films was really made Stanley cuperit great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The first rule to me of filmmaking is show them,

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell them. That's really what you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And we accomplished that in this movie. We don't tell them,

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<v Speaker 1>We show them. And by that and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>did a I showed it here locally to six or

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<v Speaker 1>seven people that weren't friends the people I know, but

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<v Speaker 1>I made sure I didn't show to anybody that was

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<v Speaker 1>a tight friend of mine, because you know, they'll massage

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<v Speaker 1>are just people I know, I work with or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and they came over and we had it. We showed it.

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<v Speaker 1>This is whenever we finished it, So it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been in August, and and I stayed out of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>I stay out of the ruinary of viewing. I listened, though,

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<v Speaker 1>because I hear people talking and I know they're not

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<v Speaker 1>watching the film, so I so I went outside. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the summer day, and I looked up, sat out

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody said a word, by the way, for the whole

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<v Speaker 1>hour and fifty minutes and then they all came out

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, they said, oh, it was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody complimented me. But they're they're all acting kind of

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<v Speaker 1>odd and there looked like they'd been hit by a truck,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, including my wife, and and so they all

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<v Speaker 1>left and then I said, so, what'd you think? And

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<v Speaker 1>really talk to me or anything. I thought, what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? And then the next day I was I

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<v Speaker 1>she comes in, she staggers in, and she goes all

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<v Speaker 1>I did last night was dream about that movie. All

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<v Speaker 1>I can. I cannot get over that movie. And you

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<v Speaker 1>really shook me up. You shook me up even about

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<v Speaker 1>my own life. And well that's a really weird reaction.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I waited just a couple more days than

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<v Speaker 1>I call the other five people on the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>asked them, you know, give me a review, right. I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure they had enough time to cognate

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. And I got all six people said

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<v Speaker 1>that the movie shook them up, made them wonder about reality,

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<v Speaker 1>made them wonder if these programs aren't exactly what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on everywhere right now. And they all had personal things

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<v Speaker 1>was young? Right? Everybody had these kind of same reactions.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I knew that we had a hit. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we have a hit because we

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<v Speaker 1>just put it up today, but I can tell I

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<v Speaker 1>and I got the reaction I was looking for, and

419
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<v Speaker 1>this one got a reaction I've never gotten from any

420
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.279
<v Speaker 1>film I've been involved in. I never I never thought

421
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that people were gonna say they were affected viscerally by

422
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>a movie. Right I've been affected viscerally by films, and

423
00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not always a pleasant feeling. But man, you never

424
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.720
<v Speaker 1>forget that film, the one that tore your guts out,

425
00:25:27.079 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the fact that it's going to happen.

426
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:33.279
<v Speaker 1>I think what I really like is for people to

427
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>get the film and to show it to your normy friends,

428
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>because that's really the goal of the film is to

429
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>convert Normies's that's the goal. Let a Normy come in

430
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.200
<v Speaker 1>all they're a big Shining fan. Yeah, I love the Shining, dude,

431
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 1>and then they watch our film and we have another

432
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>conversion from the normies over to our side. And I

433
00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>think that's really what's gonna happen. I really do.

434
00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I think so too, because there's a lot of uncomfortable

435
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>things that are talked about within the movie that really

436
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:15.160
<v Speaker 2>make you question Hollywood, the music industry, the film industry,

437
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:24.200
<v Speaker 2>the counterculture, the sixties, like Charles Manson, like all these

438
00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:29.119
<v Speaker 2>different things that are all wrapped up into this documentary.

439
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:31.880
<v Speaker 1>And I think that.

440
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>From the first three or four interviews that we shot

441
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:41.720
<v Speaker 2>for this documentary, before we even did our parts of

442
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the documentary, I knew that it was going to be

443
00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:48.839
<v Speaker 2>something really special, Like I felt it in my bones.

444
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>And that was exactly my reaction to it as well,

445
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.839
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, this is going to be It's

446
00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.559
<v Speaker 2>not only a film about the Shining and Stanley, but

447
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 2>it's also an it's an exposing film. It exposes a

448
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 2>lot of different things. And one of those things that

449
00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we folks heavily focus on is the music industry of

450
00:27:13.000 --> 00:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, and once you realize really what's going on there,

451
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 2>they're going to be like, holy crap. What Because that's

452
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.480
<v Speaker 2>how I felt as well. I was like I had

453
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.599
<v Speaker 2>that realization as I was making the movie. I was like,

454
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:35.160
<v Speaker 2>this is why people can try the hardest that they

455
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>can ever try and never get anywhere with anything.

456
00:27:40.599 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you how many times in my life

457
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.559
<v Speaker 1>I was Okay, I could tell my story because I

458
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>got lucky when I went to Hollywood, all right, but

459
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>luck ran out after just three years. But for three

460
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>years I was lucky. I got actually got work and everything.

461
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>But I was willing to work hard. But I can

462
00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:03.599
<v Speaker 1>tell you I know people who some aren't even around anymore,

463
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>who were the best musicians I've ever known in my life.

464
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean absolutely stunning songwriting skills, studying musicians, study piano playing,

465
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:17.279
<v Speaker 1>guitar playing.

466
00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 4>And.

467
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Got to their fifties and never made it and could

468
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:25.680
<v Speaker 1>not understand why they never made it. Well, you watch

469
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>our film, you'll find it out. Why all these people

470
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>that try to make it never make it because they

471
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>don't have the connections. It's all about it.

472
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 2>They don't have the backing, they don't know the people

473
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>that knows the people, And dare I say they're not

474
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 2>a part of a specific family of that has connections.

475
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's kind of like a cadre of families where

476
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>they kind of they've been around and ruling our country

477
00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>for a long time and they and these are their chill,

478
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>you might say. And and the actors too, So forget

479
00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.839
<v Speaker 1>Jack Dickolson is the number one actor of the Laurel

480
00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Canyon film scene of the nineteen sixties. We start an

481
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>easy rider and Psycho not Psycho psyched out and the

482
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 1>Monkeys film had the monkeys lived in Laurel Canyon. People

483
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:26.480
<v Speaker 1>don't know that either. The monkeys were completely made up bad. Yeah,

484
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 1>they were completely accepted in Laurel Canyon as peers, proving

485
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:35.400
<v Speaker 1>that there was more in the Laurel Canyon scene than

486
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 1>we've been led to believe.

487
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And we actually went out to Laurel Canyon

488
00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.079
<v Speaker 2>and checked all that out. That was a really interesting,

489
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.359
<v Speaker 2>right it was. It turned it's not a nice area

490
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:51.279
<v Speaker 2>up there anymore. It's really strange.

491
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Like it's strange. I lived in Laurel Canyon in the

492
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:59.960
<v Speaker 1>eighties and it was like really nice upscale. All the movie,

493
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>the industry lived there. They all had good jobs and everything.

494
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:07.559
<v Speaker 1>And then we went through there last April, I guess,

495
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 1>and I'm CD LA was CD. I was really surprised

496
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>by California and how far had gone down, at least

497
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:18.519
<v Speaker 1>southern calf. I haven't been to the Bay Area or

498
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:23.720
<v Speaker 1>north but I was really surprised. But you know, I

499
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 1>was talking to a person I know in the movie industry,

500
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 1>still in the industry, and he says to that, you know,

501
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 1>he gets his usual fifty emails a day from people

502
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 1>who want jobs in Hollywood right looking for a job

503
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.119
<v Speaker 1>from him because he hires people and basically he has

504
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>one email now he just copies and paste and sims

505
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.000
<v Speaker 1>it says, there's nothing here for you. Stay in your

506
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.319
<v Speaker 1>own hometown, make your films there. Don't come here because

507
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing here. So I think the film industry is dying.

508
00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I really do. I think it's going to be little

509
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.759
<v Speaker 1>films with a lot of heart, like the Clockwork Shining,

510
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.079
<v Speaker 1>that are going to be what succeeds from here on out.

511
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.480
<v Speaker 1>And I think the big budget films are likely going

512
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>to die off. For the most part.

513
00:31:13.119 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I agree with that it's going to be independent filmmaking

514
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I was actually listening to an interview interview with Kevin

515
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Smith the other day, and that's exactly what he was saying.

516
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:23.720
<v Speaker 2>He was like, it's all about independent filmmaking and right

517
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 2>now is your shot. Right now is your time to shine, baby,

518
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.319
<v Speaker 2>And that's what we're doing. We're shining with the clockwork,

519
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 2>shining baby. But Lookout Mountain within the film is also

520
00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>a really interesting aspect that we that we bring in

521
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>because Lookout Mountain was a military base on top of

522
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Laurel Canyon and a This is where a lot of

523
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 2>films were made, a lot of military films, and a

524
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of them are still classified to this very day.

525
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.519
<v Speaker 2>It had really well known actors that was associated with it.

526
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Old Reagan was associated with it, like Marilyn Monroe, all

527
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 2>these people carry Grant like all these famous people were

528
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.279
<v Speaker 2>all associated with this military base on top of Lookow Mountain.

529
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.519
<v Speaker 1>That's right, And you know what we're gonna do. We're

530
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 1>going to show this shine. We're going to show our trailer,

531
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>our newest trailer, all right.

532
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:29.720
<v Speaker 4>Hallucinogenic drugs, hypnosis, electric shocks to the brain, some of

533
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 4>the methods used in secret CIA mind control experiments.

534
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>There are many theories as to what the shining is

535
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>really about, from the faking of the moon landing to

536
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:42.039
<v Speaker 2>Native American genocide and the Holocaust.

537
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 1>Now, if he did fake the Apollo moon landing, then

538
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 1>he probably has really deep connections into the intelligence world.

539
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Why are there these gigantic continuity airs in this movie?

540
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 3>The occulted meeting has to be comprehensible. It's just hidden,

541
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 3>usually in a very systematic way, so that it could

542
00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:05.680
<v Speaker 3>be understood by someone coming along later on, who knows

543
00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.200
<v Speaker 3>what the real meaning is supposed to be.

544
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>We believe that there's something even more sinister lurking beneath

545
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:14.440
<v Speaker 2>the surface of this masterful film.

546
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>So Lookout Mountain Hotel looked a lot like the Overlook Hotel.

547
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.039
<v Speaker 5>You realize that there's no such thing as a coincidences

548
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 5>like that.

549
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 2>As Lookout Mountain studios ran by the Air Force.

550
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 6>And told the story of nuclear weapons testing by the

551
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:31.920
<v Speaker 6>United States of.

552
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>The Army Navan Air Force.

553
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.759
<v Speaker 7>The Air Force was known to be the most excited,

554
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:41.000
<v Speaker 7>the most turned on by mk ultran its prospects.

555
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:46.440
<v Speaker 5>Reportedly, there were more films might at Lookout Mounting than

556
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 5>at all the other film studios in Hollywood.

557
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 1>We really don't know if these famous film directors were

558
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 1>being recruited for what project or whatever was it? The

559
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Moon Landing.

560
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>The CIA's MK Ultra programs were admitted to the public

561
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:10.199
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy, five, years before the release of The Shining.

562
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:14.800
<v Speaker 5>These experiments were done without the informed consent of the patients.

563
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.199
<v Speaker 4>Look at some UFO cases and the things that are

564
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 4>reported tells me that MK Ultra is likely being applied.

565
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 6>My mk ultra mind control experience, I was taken to

566
00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:34.599
<v Speaker 6>various military, NASA and DARPA installations for sophisticated mind control programming.

567
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:44.920
<v Speaker 5>Woke Disney, Marilyn Monroe, James Stewart, Carrie Groan, Ronald Reagan.

568
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 5>Nobody really knows what they were doing.

569
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:50.440
<v Speaker 7>Up there, as well as high ranking military and Department

570
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 7>of Defense personnel.

571
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>But people don't realize is that many of the people

572
00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>that worked with Kubrick also worked with Kennedy. This is

573
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.280
<v Speaker 1>actually the smoking gun that Kubrick was working with the government.

574
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 5>These were all CIA sponsored experiments.

575
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm not gonna hurt you, I'm just gonna bash.

576
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:16.039
<v Speaker 5>Your brains and putting little symbolic cryptic clues and Easter

577
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 5>eggs pertaining to the fact that they're still doing it.

578
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:24.679
<v Speaker 2>These clues include a hidden swastika in the background of

579
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the old room.

580
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 6>What was the set up? What it was being told?

581
00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 6>And realized that it was a lie all along.

582
00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 5>But right there in the narrative in the dialogue, they're

583
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 5>telling you that this was a very real program coming

584
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 5>out of those nice folks in the cio.

585
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 7>Here's Johnny, there it is folks.

586
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.840
<v Speaker 1>That was awesome. Yeah, So that's the trailer for our

587
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>new film. Writer, just put that out today. I'll be

588
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>putting it up on Reality Check isolated from this show also,

589
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And I really really really tells you what the film's about.

590
00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>It really does. It's a very good explanation in a

591
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.719
<v Speaker 1>short two and a half three minutes of what the

592
00:36:35.719 --> 00:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>film's about. And the cutting style was the same kind

593
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>of cutting style it's in the film because saying editor

594
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 1>did it. So it's up on Amazon. Tell your friends

595
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and family to watch it, because I really do believe

596
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:54.559
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the best films of twenty twenty four.

597
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Not that there's much competition this year, but you know,

598
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.599
<v Speaker 1>not too much good sort of about out anymore, but

599
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 1>this one is good worth blatching and ryery just did

600
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:07.000
<v Speaker 1>a really good job on it.

601
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.559
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I really appreciate that I worked was super

602
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:12.920
<v Speaker 2>hard on it. So I really hope people go out

603
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and support it. I mean, this is the this is

604
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 2>the direction that everything is going. It's it's you know,

605
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:24.280
<v Speaker 2>independent filmmakers and you know people just grinding away at

606
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.440
<v Speaker 2>it because like we mentioned earlier, Hollywood is dead. There's

607
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:31.320
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing in Hollywood. There's nothing that really any of

608
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.159
<v Speaker 2>these studios can do for you that you can't do

609
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>on your own, to be honest, like everybody can just

610
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>can do it now if you have you know, the

611
00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 2>dedication in the you know, the moxie to actually do

612
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.599
<v Speaker 2>it and put it together. And I think that no

613
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 2>matter if you are a Shining fan or you're not

614
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a Shiny fan, or if you've never even seen The

615
00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Shining before, it won't really matter because there's so many

616
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 2>other things in this movie that you will like that

617
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.119
<v Speaker 2>you do know about already and that you don't know

618
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 2>it in the way that we're really presenting it. And

619
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that's something that really got me as well, because you

620
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 2>were actually the one that talked about noticed that Wendy

621
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:20.880
<v Speaker 2>was reading Catcher in the Riot. I didn't even notice

622
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 2>that I just noticed the other things, you know, throughout

623
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the movie that made sense in my theory in what

624
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to you know, put together and you know,

625
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:36.800
<v Speaker 2>realize and put out there. But that just the fact

626
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:41.519
<v Speaker 2>that that book is in the movie changes the whole game,

627
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 2>like it really brings it all together, because what that

628
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:52.320
<v Speaker 2>book represents is a lot of people believe that it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a Manchurian candidate style mk ultra trigger for assassinations.

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<v Speaker 2>And what does Jenn do through the movie. He's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to kill people in the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and people don't realize. And we pointed out in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie that two of the most famous assassination attempts

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<v Speaker 1>of the early eighties was the assassinate successful assassination of

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<v Speaker 1>John Lennon by Mark David Chapman and the unsuccessful assassination

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<v Speaker 1>just a few months later of Ronald Reagan by John

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<v Speaker 1>Hinckley and both Mark David Chapman. As soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>shot Lennon, he sat the gun down, and he pulled

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<v Speaker 1>out a catching the rye and sat down on a

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<v Speaker 1>little stone wall waiting for the cops to come. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm waiting for the cops to come, right and Hankley

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<v Speaker 1>had it on him too. And what's important, what we

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<v Speaker 1>point out the film is that both of those assassinations

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<v Speaker 1>and assassination attempts happened within one year of the release

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<v Speaker 1>of The Shining, which features Shelley Duval reading a Catcher

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<v Speaker 1>in the Rye at the beginning of the film. And

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<v Speaker 1>we show with the great Joe Atwell that there is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more to The Catcher in the Rye than

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<v Speaker 1>we've been led to believe. It's not just a movie

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<v Speaker 1>about a disaffected teenager. It's a movie about a secret society.

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<v Speaker 1>Our book about secret societies, and and and we go

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<v Speaker 1>through the whole thing in the movie. It's really really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's my cat sona so much he's bothered. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do about him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gotten so big, Holy crowd. They grew really quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're gonna be huge cats.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they were just a little, tiny, little tiny kittens.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, right, Ert listen, I really appreciate all your help,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm you know, we were told that it was

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<v Speaker 1>going to take three months by various people who have

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<v Speaker 1>films up on Amazon, that you have to wait three

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<v Speaker 1>months for the time they accept the film to where

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<v Speaker 1>they uploaded and ours went three weeks. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a testimony to Amazon what they think of us

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<v Speaker 1>and the prospects of making them a whole bunch of money.

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<v Speaker 2>And the testament how you know, good the film is

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and they think that it's that it needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be pushed out there quickly, and also to the

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<v Speaker 2>help from the people that you know that we've been

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<v Speaker 2>telling to continuously put it in and search for it

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<v Speaker 2>as well, because you know how everything is about algorithms now,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got to be got to do it at

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<v Speaker 2>the right time and the post it at the right

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<v Speaker 2>time and all that to get triggered in the algorithm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I thank you everyone that has been searching for

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, you know, waiting for it to come out.

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<v Speaker 2>We've also been patiently waiting. We thought that it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to take a lot longer than you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it has taken, and I wanted it to be out

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<v Speaker 2>before the election, Jay, and it came out a day

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<v Speaker 2>before the election.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that might have had some reason why

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<v Speaker 1>they did it so quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too, And I think that it really

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<v Speaker 2>explains a lot of things that are going on politically

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, how we've all been fooled in a

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<v Speaker 2>way by the intelligence community and you know, by the military,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's going to be a really big revelation for

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people. And I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people already know that, but it's I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we explain it and the way that we

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<v Speaker 2>put everything together that's really going to hit home with people,

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<v Speaker 2>because obviously it's going to be a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>listening to this and from this community, and they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people like to talk about all it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely MK ultra, that's MK. But they don't really

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<v Speaker 2>know anything about it. They haven't looked into it or

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<v Speaker 2>really searched into it. And I'm not seeing that people

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that. They there are a lot of really

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<v Speaker 2>good researchers and people that have read the documents and

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<v Speaker 2>gone through everything and realize what's going on, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>just been expanded to they tried to figure it out

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<v Speaker 2>on an individual level. Once they figured it out on

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<v Speaker 2>an individual level, they were like, Okay, well, let's just

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<v Speaker 2>do this to everybody all at once, all at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, and what does that look like. It looks

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<v Speaker 2>like what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Happening right now the modern world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the Yuri Besmanov stuff that I that I

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<v Speaker 2>put in there as well, Like that's that's a that's

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<v Speaker 2>a kick in the ass too, because you listen to

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<v Speaker 2>that whole Just that section that I put in there

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<v Speaker 2>really tells you everything that you need to know about

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<v Speaker 2>our culture and the way that our we've been ideologically

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<v Speaker 2>subverted and how things have been put there on purpose

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<v Speaker 2>in order for us to believe in and to distrust

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbors, distrust your friends, distrust your family, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh everything. Yeah, And former director of the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>the late asshole Bill Casey, once said, we will know

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<v Speaker 1>that we are successful when everything that everybody believes is bullshit.

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<v Speaker 1>And that really is the whole point of the MK

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<v Speaker 1>ultra operation is to make you not trust your own

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<v Speaker 1>view of reality. And so I kind of look at

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<v Speaker 1>a clockwork shining as you know, you guys used heavy

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<v Speaker 1>duty propaganda on us for seventy years now, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is us shooting back. This is us taking your propaganda

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<v Speaker 1>and the methods of propaganda and pushing it right back

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<v Speaker 1>in your face. And I think we did an excellent

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<v Speaker 1>job with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, once you realize that the entire counterculture movement was

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<v Speaker 2>set up by the CIA, and then the also squashed

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<v Speaker 2>it with the CIA, Like it's like, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>You got the whole Manson Tape murders, which was basically

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<v Speaker 2>put there to squash the thing that they created.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, all right, everybody go watch it. It's on Amazon.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put a link below and right in and tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what you think of the film. We'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>hear what you think. And writer, he did a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're gonna be working on another project here soon.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, going to shoot it some of the new

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<v Speaker 1>project here in about a week and so we have

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<v Speaker 1>more product coming out. So hang on, folks, just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get more and more interesting. Thanks for watching, everybody, See

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<v Speaker 1>you a writer, see you. Thank you.