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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jon Levitt.

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<v Speaker 3>Tommy Vitor.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's show, the mission in Iran is so accomplished

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<v Speaker 1>that we're back to bombing. We'll talk about Trump's response

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<v Speaker 1>and how he and Pete Hegseth are losing support for

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<v Speaker 1>their war from the most senior U.S. military officials, which

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<v Speaker 1>may put a damper on Pete's potential presidential campaign. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that, too. We'll also cover the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 1>allowing Trump to build his ballroom. Trump calling Americans opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to building data centers, quote, backwards and poor. And some

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<v Speaker 1>of the other shit sandwiches Trump is forcing Republican candidates

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<v Speaker 1>to eat before November. Speaking of pieces of shit, Trump

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<v Speaker 1>advisor Laura Loomer said some disgustingly racist things about black

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<v Speaker 1>women that no Republican has denounced as of yet. And

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<v Speaker 1>she's also taking credit for the deportation of right-wing creep

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<v Speaker 1>Milo Yiannopoulos. Tough to pick a side on that one.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no side.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Tommy celebrates his birthday by sitting down with Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General Aaron Ford, the Dem nominee for governor in

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<v Speaker 1>a critical state.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yes, it's your birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy birthday, Tommy.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I got us a contact for future Vegas trips.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, great.

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<v Speaker 3>So, you know, like if we get in trouble, we

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<v Speaker 3>can call.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, speaking of things that are critical.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can get arrested for... losing money and then

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<v Speaker 2>going to bed at 11.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting thrown out of Cirque du Soleil. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Well, quick announcement. Speaking of trips, we're heading to

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<v Speaker 1>Austin later this month for a live show at the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Tribune Festival on Friday, September 25th. It says here

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<v Speaker 1>in the script, it's going to be a great time.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I think that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one less thing to worry about.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for writing that out. All four of us, plus

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<v Speaker 1>special guest, Bobby Polito, the Democratic nominee in Texas 15,

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<v Speaker 1>one of our most important pickup opportunities in the House.

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<v Speaker 1>We might even get him to sing, which would be

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<v Speaker 1>really cool. Grab your tickets to the festival and join us.

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<v Speaker 1>We posted the link on our site at cricket.com slash events.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to see you in Austin. That's cricket.com slash events.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get to the news. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>five days ago that the president declared mission accomplished in

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<v Speaker 1>Iran and by posting what appeared to be an AI-generated

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<v Speaker 1>image of himself, George W. Bush, and the Ayatollah. But

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<v Speaker 1>by Sunday night, the missiles were flying once again. The

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<v Speaker 1>IRGC were about to fire mine-laying rockets over the Strait

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<v Speaker 1>of Hormuz from nearby Larik Island. The U.S. military launched

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<v Speaker 1>airstrikes to stop them, and then Iran retaliated by launching

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<v Speaker 1>ballistic missiles at U.S. bases in Jordan, all of which

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<v Speaker 1>were intercepted. Our commander-in-chief responded in between rounds of golf

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend by deploying a full arsenal of AI

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<v Speaker 4>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so— The Ducks were Canadian.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not on our team. For those of you just listening.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a Karate Geese.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Canadian Geese. We like to be accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right. Canadian Geese.

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<v Speaker 3>Get the facts right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so for those of you just listening, those were

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<v Speaker 1>videos of Trump replacing a Lake Ontario sign with a

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<v Speaker 1>Lake America sign while dancing to YMCA, an army of

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<v Speaker 1>Canada geese with M16s wearing Trump wigs patrolling Lake Ontario—

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<v Speaker 1>And a series of imaginary airstrikes destroying an imaginary Karg Island,

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<v Speaker 1>which Trump said was, quote, blown to smithereens in the caption,

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<v Speaker 1>despite no airstrikes occurring there back here in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>So according to Axios, there's apparently a real plan in

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<v Speaker 1>the works to potentially launch limited strikes in the Strait

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<v Speaker 1>of Hormuz to stop Iranian attacks on oil tankers, Navy

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<v Speaker 1>ships and U.S. fighter jets. But that can't be true.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Trump and the extended MAGAverse has assured us time

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<v Speaker 1>and time again that the straight is open. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe it's not true.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I hadn't realized?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 2>That the— and I only realized after Trump posted that image

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<v Speaker 2>of him saying he was better at accomplishing missions than

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<v Speaker 2>George W. Bush, which is that mission accomplished took place

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<v Speaker 2>on the Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 6>Mm-hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is the ship that has been out for, was

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<v Speaker 2>out for 250 days for what was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>a four-hour tour. Oh, no, that's, that's the, that's Gilligan's Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Four to six weeks. But so, I just thought, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a three-hour tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Three-hour tour.

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<v Speaker 4>Really?

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<v Speaker 1>Three-hour tour.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah. Well, I guess that's right. You'll extend it

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<v Speaker 3>if you want. Anyway, I just thought that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>The Axios story said that Trump and his team are

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<v Speaker 3>considering periodic airstrikes against Iran to keep their military capabilities

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<v Speaker 3>in check and ensure the flow of commerce. through the

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<v Speaker 3>Strait of Hormuz in perpetuity, which sounds like a war

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<v Speaker 3>that would need to go on forever.

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<v Speaker 2>They called it- Just mowing the grass. Yeah, they called

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<v Speaker 2>it mowing the grass. It's something that you famously always

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<v Speaker 2>have to do forever.

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<v Speaker 3>It never stops being needed. It's also what the Israelis

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<v Speaker 3>called their strategy to keep Hamas in check in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 3>and look how well that went.

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<v Speaker 1>That Axios story also came like, I don't know, 24,

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<v Speaker 1>48 hours after an Axios story by Barak Ravid. um,

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<v Speaker 1>that basically has us officials and Axios saying that, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have made all this progress on, uh, keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>straight open or reopening the straight. Did you see that?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, so he, so Trump actually got on

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<v Speaker 1>the phone with him. He got Trump on the phone. Wow. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and said to him, that sucker is open. And then, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Axios story says over the past two months, us officials

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<v Speaker 1>say the American military has steadily eroded Iran's leverage over

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<v Speaker 1>the crucial waterway. Um, Although then it says the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>goal is to reach 60% to 70% of pre-war oil exports.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's a soft bigotry of low expectations.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also like, yeah, it's open and there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be periodic bombing over the strait. And going through

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<v Speaker 2>it will be like squid game for oil tankers forever

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<v Speaker 2>in perpetuity. I mean, not exactly the best assignment. You're

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<v Speaker 2>not thrilled to be taking— a trip through the Strait

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<v Speaker 2>of Hormuz.

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<v Speaker 3>And it requires a giant deployment of U.S. troops forever.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they've definitely like, it's not at zero like

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<v Speaker 3>it was before, but it's not at pre-war levels. They've

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<v Speaker 3>improved the flow of oil exports out of the Strait,

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<v Speaker 3>but like.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not better.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think it's been about a month since

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<v Speaker 3>the last exchange of fire between the two sides. But this,

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<v Speaker 3>what happened over the weekend is just part of this

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<v Speaker 3>typical pattern of tit-for-tat exchanges. And I think it's going

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<v Speaker 3>to get worse, not better, because last week we covered

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<v Speaker 3>Besant saying it was economic D-Day, and that announcement was

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<v Speaker 3>obviously wildly overstated. But between the U.S. blockade of the

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<v Speaker 3>Strait of Hormuz and the jawboning of countries to stop

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<v Speaker 3>doing business with the Iranians, like what they did to

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<v Speaker 3>the Emiratis, that's going to increase the economic pain for

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<v Speaker 3>the Iranians. And the way the Iranians respond to economic

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<v Speaker 3>pain is with military strikes. And so as the U.S.

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<v Speaker 3>ratchets up the sanctions, as they continue the blockade, the

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<v Speaker 3>more likely outcome is escalation and not capitulation by Iran

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<v Speaker 3>and the war ramping back up. So it just feels

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<v Speaker 3>like we're still trapped in the same cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and again, we've also sort of... completely stop talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the reason that we apparently went to a war

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<v Speaker 1>with Iran in the first place, which is their nuclear program,

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<v Speaker 1>the dust. The dust.

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<v Speaker 3>His line on that is like, ah, it's handled. We're

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<v Speaker 3>watching it. It's under the ground now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is what it was after the first 12-day war,

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<v Speaker 3>but whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So really, it's just now a war to get the

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<v Speaker 1>Strait of Hormuz from, you know, a 0% open to,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, 60% to 70% is the goal.

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<v Speaker 3>Going for a C.

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<v Speaker 4>Gentlemen, C.

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<v Speaker 1>Things are going so badly in Iran that Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Hegseth are now losing support among our own most senior

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<v Speaker 1>military leaders. There was a huge scoop from the Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Post that these leaders have advised Hegseth that, quote, prolonging

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<v Speaker 1>large-scale operations against Iran is unsustainable and risks weakening the

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<v Speaker 1>military's ability to confront threats elsewhere, including the U.S. homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>These warnings showed up as part of a classified assessment

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<v Speaker 1>that included orders for some of the 50,000 troops currently

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<v Speaker 1>deployed to the Middle East to remain there until 2027,

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<v Speaker 1>which led some of the senior military leaders to respond

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<v Speaker 1>with a, quote, non-concur, meaning they disagree with Hegseth's order

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<v Speaker 1>but will still carry it out. Hegseth's spokesman responded to

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<v Speaker 1>the story by accusing the Post of committing a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're probably also a bit peeved that the Post

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<v Speaker 1>published another story that details how Hegseth has apparently given

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<v Speaker 1>government jobs to right-wing military influencers without telling anyone so

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<v Speaker 1>they could go around spreading his propaganda. It seems like

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<v Speaker 1>Pete is really crushing it as SecDef. You think that's

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<v Speaker 1>why NBC News is reporting that Hegseth's telling close friends

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<v Speaker 1>he's thinking about running for president in 2028?

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<v Speaker 3>You buy in stock?

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<v Speaker 1>Love it in Hexeth, President?

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<v Speaker 2>Sort of give all of us the USS Lincoln experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm feeling trapped and no way out.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't like Hexeth. Look, let's do the case

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<v Speaker 3>for and against. The case against buying stock in Hexeth

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<v Speaker 3>right now is his polling is terrible at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>He's 22 points underwater in a recent Marquette poll. I

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<v Speaker 3>would argue he is probably more responsible for the war

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<v Speaker 3>in Iran than anyone else who might run in 2028.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like Trump, Netanyahu, Hexeth. He's obsessed with culture war

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in a way that I think will turn off

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<v Speaker 3>some normies. He was also accused of doing some really

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<v Speaker 3>bad shit before when he was nominated for secretary of defense. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 3>that didn't prevent it, and he's written some crazy stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the case for him being successful in a

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<v Speaker 3>Republican primary is he kind of merges together, like, things

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<v Speaker 3>Republicans like before Trump with the MAGA stamp of approval.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, he's a neocon. He's super hawkish. He's like

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<v Speaker 3>And he's kind of like slick and camera ready. Um,

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<v Speaker 3>and then just the resume is like sec def Fox

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<v Speaker 3>think the big longterm question is how, um, bad does

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<v Speaker 3>the Iran war get? How much do Republicans actually punish

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<v Speaker 3>them for supporting it and lying about it? And I just,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'm Boy, I hope Pete Hegseth runs

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<v Speaker 1>for president. I think that would be awesome to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>He's unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy who has mired the United States in another

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<v Speaker 2>The guy is going to be really hard to beat.

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<v Speaker 2>We're worried about that Pete Hegseth getting in.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the reports in the Post alone saying that

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<v Speaker 1>some of these troops are going to be deployed through

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<v Speaker 1>2027 when the primary is going to be going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think, you guys really think that that's

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<v Speaker 3>when you're running as Marco Rubio and J.D.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance who are also part of the administration? I don't

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<v Speaker 4>J.D.

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<v Speaker 1>Vance is going to be, and he has already telegraphed

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<v Speaker 1>and so have his advisors, that he is going to

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<v Speaker 1>run and say, I did everything I could to end

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<v Speaker 1>the war and create a peace agreement and all that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. Because to the extent that the Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump has lost any support from Republican voters, it's

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<v Speaker 1>around Trump. the war in Iran, and the increased prices

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<v Speaker 1>that it's caused. And so it's like the one thing

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<v Speaker 1>that has caused voters to defect from Trump is what

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Hegseth is in charge of.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wonder though, I agree with that, but are

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<v Speaker 2>those Republican primary voters or the kind of soft, like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of less partisan people who believed America first? I mean, maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>but like.

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<v Speaker 3>The mega cult is still there. And I think, look,

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<v Speaker 3>if I was Hegseth, I frame criticism... of the Iran

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<v Speaker 3>war as like a lack of loyalty to Trump and

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<v Speaker 3>try to make it about that guy. Look, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think it's an open, I think it could.

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<v Speaker 4>Go either way.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think he's a little more dangerous than some

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<v Speaker 3>people give him credit for.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think about those post stories?

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<v Speaker 2>So I went and read the, the, so these are,

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<v Speaker 2>these people were all posting about the story. So the

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<v Speaker 2>post reaches out to them. And they don't respond. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they respond publicly. You're talking about the influencer one.

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<v Speaker 3>The influencer one.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that what you were talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>I said the stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Pick a friendly one to start with.

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<v Speaker 2>So on the influencer story, the post reaches out for comment, apparently.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't comment.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they post angrily that the story doesn't reflect

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<v Speaker 2>what's actually going on based on their views, which they

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<v Speaker 2>did not share.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine.

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<v Speaker 4>According to.

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Schlichter and one of the other people, that they

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<v Speaker 2>were brought on not to be paid influencers on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>in part because They don't need to be paid to

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<v Speaker 3>They do that for the love of the game. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But to help them shape a plan to make the

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<v Speaker 2>war colleges, you know, less woke and more lethal in

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<v Speaker 2>line with Pete Hegseth's agenda. And even it's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like, these are the people you chose. And then

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<v Speaker 2>some of them, I think all of them had served

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<v Speaker 2>in the military and have some kind of expertise, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're also just like right-wing trolls on social media. And

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<v Speaker 2>Kurt Schlichter is just somebody that I don't, like, he

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<v Speaker 2>just pops into my, algorithm once in a while and

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<v Speaker 2>then pops back out because he's the kind of classic, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>conservative in a liberal place. Who's losing his mind. Cause

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's from California. He's still here, but he

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<v Speaker 2>was living here for a while. And he wrote this

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<v Speaker 2>series of books about this sort of like fever dream

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<v Speaker 2>fantasy of what would have happened if Hillary had won.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the country has a civil war and we

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<v Speaker 2>divide up into the United States of America, which is

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<v Speaker 2>run by Republicans and the people's Republic, which is run

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<v Speaker 2>by Democrats. And I, So this is who they brought on.

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to give you some facts from these books.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those is about a Texas billionaire's daughter who

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<v Speaker 2>defects to LA to experience equality and then has to

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<v Speaker 3>By special ops.

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<v Speaker 2>The secret police is called the People's Bureau of Investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a government-assigned privilege level. The state airline is

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<v Speaker 2>called Justice Air. There's propaganda posters that read, intolerance will

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<v Speaker 2>not be tolerated, and deodorant is restricted to simply one kind,

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<v Speaker 1>Glad you went deep on that.

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<v Speaker 3>The world's like instructed to like be aggrieved. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>meanwhile in reality, half the country is covered by flock

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<v Speaker 3>cameras and Donald Trump has deployed his own like ice

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<v Speaker 3>secret force to harass, shoot American citizens in the head

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<v Speaker 3>and deport people.

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas is a gleaming super city though.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the new capital. The influencer thing, to me, that

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<v Speaker 3>was just another piece of the puzzle of Hegseth trying

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<v Speaker 3>to crush or go around the Pentagon press corps. They

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<v Speaker 3>try to make reporters basically sign a pledge and commit

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<v Speaker 3>to running their stories by the Pentagon brass before publication.

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<v Speaker 3>They kick the real reporters out of their workstations. They

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<v Speaker 3>replace them with One America News and much right-wing crap.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember when they kicked a bunch of photographers out of

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<v Speaker 3>briefings because Hegseth didn't like how he looked in a photo?

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<v Speaker 3>They're destroying Stars and Stripes, which is this military publication

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<v Speaker 3>that's really important to active duty members of the military.

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<v Speaker 3>So now they're hiring these MAGA chuds. It does seem

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<v Speaker 3>like it's mostly about cranking out pro-Hegseth talking points, but

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<v Speaker 3>there is that weird anecdote about them quizzing war college

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<v Speaker 3>students about how Pete Hegseth is doing without disclosing that

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<v Speaker 3>they work for Pete Hegseth.

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<v Speaker 2>That part was all just quite weird. Well, so one

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<v Speaker 2>for one of the MAGA journals, America Greatness, one of those,

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<v Speaker 2>like a diagnosis of what's wrong with the war colleges,

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<v Speaker 2>woke stuff like climate being part of it, anything about

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<v Speaker 2>diversity as part of it, but also just this idea

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<v Speaker 2>that like the war colleges have not focused on lethality

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<v Speaker 2>and military force and they're all supposed to wear suits

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<v Speaker 2>where really they should be back in their uniforms. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like, it's like there is an actual kind

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<v Speaker 2>of whatever MAGA thing in trying to kind of de-liberal,

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<v Speaker 2>de-leftify the war colleges. But it's, of course, being run

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<v Speaker 2>by people who have, like, they're just sort of, you know, online,

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<v Speaker 2>super engaged right-wing people whose brain has been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stewing on Twitter forever. That's who's going to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>talk to all these people and figure out how to

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<v Speaker 2>make the war colleges get rid of the liberals. By

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<v Speaker 2>the way, the head of the... the commander of the

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<v Speaker 2>liberal forces in the book, is a UCLA professor. A

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<v Speaker 2>a bride and had to rescue her from this commander

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<v Speaker 2>UCLA professor, this evil professor at the top of the system,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think has kind of explained some of the

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<v Speaker 3>Did I go too deep on this?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, very normal.

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<v Speaker 4>Time will tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I will say that Pete Higgs has planned to

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<v Speaker 1>it's just working very well because Pentagon's image has never

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's sort of the irony of the second story,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like the Washington Post got a leak of

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<v Speaker 3>the Secretary of Defense's orders book, which is this process

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<v Speaker 3>where the combatant commanders get to advocate on behalf of

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<v Speaker 3>themselves and fight for scarce resources. And then the SECDEF

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<v Speaker 3>makes decisions about resource allocation. There's 11 Aircraft carriers, a

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<v Speaker 3>to different parts of the world. Like, where should they go?

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's not surprising, given that context, that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>that a bunch of military units have been deployed forever

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<v Speaker 3>in parts of the country because it means that the

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<v Speaker 3>Pacific Command is unprepared to do something if China invades

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<v Speaker 3>Taiwan or the North Koreans do some shit. What's remarkable,

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<v Speaker 3>though– so that part's unsurprising that there would be non-concurs

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<v Speaker 3>and that they would disagree about stuff. But the takeaway

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<v Speaker 3>is clearly the military brass is so worried about the

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<v Speaker 3>way the war with Iran is overextending them and taxing

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<v Speaker 3>the force that this leaked.

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<v Speaker 2>And there were so many of them in unanimity in

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<v Speaker 2>the- Yeah, they're all just like, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 3>This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought that was incredibly alarming. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the story was over the The fallout from the story

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<v Speaker 1>was they're mad it leaked and then they're yelling with

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<v Speaker 1>idea that our senior most military commanders are like terrified

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<v Speaker 1>that we're not prepared to deal with other threats, including

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<v Speaker 1>threats against the homeland because of this war. And Pete

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<v Speaker 3>threat we faced was from China. And now we have

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<v Speaker 1>So Trump did just come closer to achieving the one

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<v Speaker 1>victory he cares about the most. On Monday, a five

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<v Speaker 1>to four Supreme Court majority ruled that construction on his

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<v Speaker 1>ballroom can continue. They did not decide the matter for good,

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<v Speaker 1>but the majority wrote that the government was likely to

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<v Speaker 1>prevail in its argument that the National Trust for Historic

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<v Speaker 1>Preservation didn't have standing to sue. The trust's claim to

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<v Speaker 1>have standing appeared to rest on a statement from one

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<v Speaker 1>of the organization's trustees, who lives in D.C. and often

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<v Speaker 1>walks by the White House. She said she would, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>suffer both professional and personal injuries, including to my aesthetic, cultural,

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<v Speaker 1>and historical interests if a ballroom of the proposed form

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<v Speaker 1>and scale were constructed, end quote.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny because it like pits the anti-democratic building of

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<v Speaker 2>this ridiculous ballroom up against my gut hatred for the NIMBYs,

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<v Speaker 2>being like, oh, your walk is spoiled by new construction.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to build things in this fucking country.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, it's a, yeah. John Roberts joined the liberals

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<v Speaker 1>in agreeing and wrote that ballroom construction thus far, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>is likely unlawful. What do you guys think? Game over here? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it does seem like there's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>some more solid base somewhere for someone to challenge the

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<v Speaker 1>ballroom construction, which... John Roberts, at least, and others think

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably unlawful. But, you know, these people just didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have standing to sue. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, just be nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Conservative majority.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, no need to be so coy, Justice Roberts. Who

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<v Speaker 2>does have standing?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us who has the standing, who can sue to

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<v Speaker 2>stop this thing from being built if it's not this

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<v Speaker 2>historical society. Because if there's a loophole where you can

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<v Speaker 2>knock down any building you want when you're president, so

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<v Speaker 2>long as you claim to be doing it with private dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>then grab the taxpayer money later, that's a pretty big loophole.

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<v Speaker 2>in the Constitution that has, till this point, never been contemplated.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, apparently at the D.C. Circuit argument, Trump's lawyer suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that people affected by construction noise could have standing. Melania.

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<v Speaker 3>Melania. Melania calls her a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if someone offended by the ballroom's appearance did not,

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<v Speaker 1>which is interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, you know who needs some

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<v Speaker 3>ballroom is Mike Lawler and that new campaign ad. You

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<v Speaker 3>guys know what I'm talking about. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>We covered this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, with you. I was like, who am I making

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<v Speaker 1>jokes on?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a text from a reporter over the weekend

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<v Speaker 3>who was asking if Democrats should prioritize ripping down the ballroom.

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<v Speaker 3>And my knee-jerk reaction is like, we have so many

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<v Speaker 3>other fish to fry before we do take down this building.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I assumed that as I thought about this

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<v Speaker 3>2028 primary— that we would probably have entire debates about demolition. Hands,

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<v Speaker 3>show of hands. I will fire bomb it.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>I will, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like, you know, when you move into

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<v Speaker 1>a house and you're like, I could do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of renovation in this house or I could do just

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<v Speaker 1>touch-ups here and there. Well, you don't want to make,

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<v Speaker 1>you do the easy ones.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to live in it for a bit before

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<v Speaker 2>you decide what you want to change.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was going to say, the easy ones are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's turn the courtyard down. back from Mar-a-Lago

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<v Speaker 1>with umbrellas in D.C., back to grass. Let's take all

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<v Speaker 1>the gold shit off the stupid fucking colonnades. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of easy stuff you can do before you

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<v Speaker 1>get to the ballroom.

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<v Speaker 3>The auto pen that's up is a photo of Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>That's coming down pretty quick. I like that we've instinctively

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<v Speaker 3>landed on.

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<v Speaker 2>Unsatisfying center-left compromise on what to do with the various things.

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<v Speaker 1>You can take the boys out of the Obama administration.

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<v Speaker 3>But what would be an expensive nightmare to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Ripping down a ballroom?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine? We're going to have Medicare for all.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to have humane immigration. We're going to treat

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<v Speaker 2>people with respect in this country. And we're tearing that

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<v Speaker 2>ballroom down.

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<v Speaker 3>It's coming, man.

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<v Speaker 5>Applause.

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<v Speaker 3>Applause.

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<v Speaker 6>It's coming.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all going to applause. And then in the person's

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<v Speaker 1>going to win the presidency and just then it won't happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then everyone will be mad and they'll be like,

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<v Speaker 1>why did we lose? Because we didn't deliver the crazy

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<v Speaker 1>promises that we made in the campaign trail. Worse.

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<v Speaker 2>They try to tear the ballroom down. Heritage sues. Because

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<v Speaker 2>of the noise. They have standing to keep the thing built.

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<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court's like, well, we told you.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, we think.

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<v Speaker 2>So it turns out Heritage does have standing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's sort of... They always do. Sort of that went on.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's interesting, like.

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<v Speaker 1>During the Trump's own lawyer, again, like had previously conceded

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the the weird implication of the government standing

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<v Speaker 1>theory in this case, which is, you know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>asked what would happen if a president suddenly demolished the

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<v Speaker 1>White House itself or even the Statue of Liberty and

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<v Speaker 1>nobody could show. like the requisite individualized harm of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the judge in that case said, so nothing

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<v Speaker 1>can be done? And the Trump lawyer said, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>But see, this is where the- This is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think it is that crazy. We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this a little bit before. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>that crazy, right? Because really what we're all, the issue

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<v Speaker 2>here is that Congress should be intervening, and by law,

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<v Speaker 2>either stopping this or adjusting it or changing it, or

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<v Speaker 2>if the president knocked down the Statue of Liberty because

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<v Speaker 2>he found it offensive for some reason, that person should

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<v Speaker 2>be impeached.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately and removed. And one of the legal theories is

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress could sue.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, Congress won't sue because it's run by Republicans.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you're like, well, why would Congress sue when

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<v Speaker 2>Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Or defund the ballroom or do whatever, right?

638
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.619
<v Speaker 2>You would sue saying we don't need to pass a law.

639
00:29:55.779 --> 00:29:58.460
<v Speaker 2>Because it's unconstitutional, you don't need to proactively pass a law.

640
00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:01.319
<v Speaker 2>to stop something unlawful, you just sue and say you're

641
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.680
<v Speaker 2>violating the law. That was true, by the way. Remember

642
00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:07.980
<v Speaker 2>when there was those reforms and there's electoral reforms and

643
00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>then Trump was saying, see, I told you, it wasn't

644
00:30:11.660 --> 00:30:13.980
<v Speaker 2>illegal because you had to pass this law to fix it, right?

645
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.180
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, I hear you.

646
00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's talk midterms. The first mail-in ballots are

647
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>scheduled to be sent out in just a few days

648
00:30:22.140 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>on September 4th. But will the newly Trumpified U.S. Postal

649
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Service actually deliver those ballots? That is the question we

650
00:30:30.140 --> 00:30:32.359
<v Speaker 1>somehow have to ask ever since the president issued an

651
00:30:32.420 --> 00:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>executive order that threatens to withhold the delivery of mail-in

652
00:30:35.660 --> 00:30:38.759
<v Speaker 1>ballots to states that don't comply with the federal government's

653
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:43.089
<v Speaker 1>demand for lists of eligible voters. When has that ever

654
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:47.869
<v Speaker 1>gone wrong? Demanding lists of people in your federal government.

655
00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:50.650
<v Speaker 1>The order has once again been blocked by a federal

656
00:30:50.710 --> 00:30:54.910
<v Speaker 1>court and the administration has again appealed. So this one

657
00:30:54.930 --> 00:30:57.829
<v Speaker 1>could end up back at the Supreme Court. which initially

658
00:30:57.869 --> 00:31:00.069
<v Speaker 1>let the order move forward, but made clear it wasn't

659
00:31:00.109 --> 00:31:04.579
<v Speaker 1>yet ruling on the constitutionality of the executive order. So

660
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>stay tuned. And that's not the only voting story out

661
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.660
<v Speaker 1>there that's kind of alarming. There's a disturbing report about

662
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:14.779
<v Speaker 1>election monitors from the Department of Justice attempting to interview

663
00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:19.829
<v Speaker 1>voters and inspect voting machines in Wyoming during the primaries

664
00:31:19.869 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>last week. The state's Republican governor, Mark Gordon, said, said

665
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:27.059
<v Speaker 1>the election monitor's behavior was, quote, very odd and called

666
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.819
<v Speaker 1>the move, quote, aggressive, unexpected, and disruptive. That is the

667
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.369
<v Speaker 1>Republican governor of Wyoming saying that. What did you guys

668
00:31:34.390 --> 00:31:34.950
<v Speaker 1>make of that story?

669
00:31:35.690 --> 00:31:40.349
<v Speaker 2>It's really weird. It's hard to see it as anything

670
00:31:40.390 --> 00:31:43.930
<v Speaker 2>other than some kind of a trial run. It is

671
00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:48.180
<v Speaker 2>a bastardization, obviously, of what DOJ election monitoring is meant

672
00:31:48.220 --> 00:31:50.740
<v Speaker 2>to be, which is to make sure that people are

673
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 2>able to vote and that there aren't racist Southern election

674
00:31:56.900 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>officials stopping Black people from voting. That is the original

675
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:04.460
<v Speaker 2>function here that they're abusing. Even the Republican governor is

676
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.410
<v Speaker 2>saying this was unprofessional and strange. And by the way,

677
00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 2>they're not just injuring voters. They were trying to gain

678
00:32:08.809 --> 00:32:12.690
<v Speaker 2>access to the voting machines, which just has absolutely nothing

679
00:32:12.750 --> 00:32:16.529
<v Speaker 2>to do with election monitoring because they're not talking about

680
00:32:16.710 --> 00:32:18.670
<v Speaker 2>the access to vote or protecting the right to vote.

681
00:32:18.690 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 2>They're talking about the tabulating of voting, the You know,

682
00:32:23.779 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>there's this conspiracy theory just revolves around these people trying

683
00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>to get their hands on the voting machines. They're desperate

684
00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:30.920
<v Speaker 2>to get their hands on the machines. The truth is

685
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:33.990
<v Speaker 2>in the machines. But it seemed like part of what

686
00:32:34.009 --> 00:32:36.769
<v Speaker 2>made this so, like, why even this Republican governor, like,

687
00:32:36.869 --> 00:32:39.190
<v Speaker 2>spoke out against it, it was all just so boorish

688
00:32:39.230 --> 00:32:42.470
<v Speaker 2>and silly and ham-fisted and incompetent that it was just

689
00:32:42.509 --> 00:32:46.039
<v Speaker 2>a kind of sowing chaos in a primary in Wyoming.

690
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.380
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm confused why they chose Wyoming and also, I guess, Miami-Dade.

691
00:32:50.970 --> 00:32:53.099
<v Speaker 2>Well, some they had announced. Some they had, like, pointed to.

692
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.079
<v Speaker 3>This one they hadn't. I think, yeah, well, DOJ, so

693
00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.740
<v Speaker 3>my reaction when I read the story was, why? Like,

694
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.180
<v Speaker 3>why Wyoming? Why a Wyoming primary? Why are you trying

695
00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.380
<v Speaker 3>to interview voters? Why not give the Republican governor of

696
00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:08.289
<v Speaker 3>the state a heads up? Like, was this overzealous people

697
00:33:08.329 --> 00:33:10.670
<v Speaker 3>at DOJ or was this part of a broad-based effort?

698
00:33:11.769 --> 00:33:14.569
<v Speaker 3>And especially because the Wyoming secretary of state is a

699
00:33:14.630 --> 00:33:17.170
<v Speaker 3>Republican who ran on the big lie in, like, 2020 fraud.

700
00:33:17.190 --> 00:33:18.529
<v Speaker 3>He ran in 2022, but he ran in the 2020 election.

701
00:33:20.900 --> 00:33:22.789
<v Speaker 3>And so I was looking around at the DOJ website,

702
00:33:22.809 --> 00:33:24.630
<v Speaker 3>and they put out a press release on August 18th

703
00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:28.250
<v Speaker 3>saying that they were monitoring, you know, polling places in

704
00:33:28.309 --> 00:33:29.170
<v Speaker 3>Florida and Wyoming.

705
00:33:29.210 --> 00:33:29.670
<v Speaker 1>So they were.

706
00:33:29.789 --> 00:33:32.809
<v Speaker 3>Public about it, but I guess they didn't really effectively

707
00:33:32.849 --> 00:33:35.670
<v Speaker 3>communicate it to the elected officials in the state.

708
00:33:36.420 --> 00:33:37.019
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy.

709
00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 3>None of it makes sense. None of it adds up.

710
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're going to, you know, Trump has talked

711
00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 1>before about a plan to send election monitors all over

712
00:33:44.299 --> 00:33:48.910
<v Speaker 1>the country and polling places in the midterms. Um, and so,

713
00:33:49.230 --> 00:33:51.710
<v Speaker 1>and again, like the DOJ has done that before. So

714
00:33:51.750 --> 00:33:53.890
<v Speaker 1>like they, they have that authority to do so.

715
00:33:54.450 --> 00:33:56.009
<v Speaker 3>But, um, yeah.

716
00:33:56.029 --> 00:33:58.710
<v Speaker 2>So they announced it because what's it's, this is so strange, right?

717
00:33:58.730 --> 00:34:03.750
<v Speaker 2>Because in July, the same office run by sort of

718
00:34:03.809 --> 00:34:07.710
<v Speaker 2>Trumpy kind of online weirdo announced their list of states

719
00:34:07.750 --> 00:34:10.690
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't include Wyoming. So they added Wyoming late,

720
00:34:10.730 --> 00:34:12.750
<v Speaker 2>like in the last like week or it's very strange.

721
00:34:12.869 --> 00:34:13.510
<v Speaker 3>It's very strange.

722
00:34:13.530 --> 00:34:13.829
<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

723
00:34:13.889 --> 00:34:14.570
<v Speaker 1>I found it press release.

724
00:34:14.610 --> 00:34:15.190
<v Speaker 3>It was really weird.

725
00:34:15.409 --> 00:34:18.170
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully the midterms are fine. I'm sure this is the

726
00:34:18.250 --> 00:34:19.190
<v Speaker 1>last we'll hear from this.

727
00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:19.809
<v Speaker 3>Nothing to worry about.

728
00:34:19.869 --> 00:34:21.110
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nothing to worry about this. What do you think

729
00:34:21.130 --> 00:34:24.369
<v Speaker 1>about the latest with the Postal Service? We're now again

730
00:34:24.409 --> 00:34:27.570
<v Speaker 1>in legal limbo, though we are even closer to the

731
00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:28.989
<v Speaker 1>day that ballots are supposed to be delivered.

732
00:34:29.230 --> 00:34:31.269
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there was a ruling last week and people

733
00:34:31.289 --> 00:34:33.130
<v Speaker 2>were freaking out about it. And then Norm Eisen was like,

734
00:34:33.769 --> 00:34:36.250
<v Speaker 2>don't freak out yet because it's going to be another step.

735
00:34:36.269 --> 00:34:39.280
<v Speaker 2>And then there was, and now it's on hold. Look,

736
00:34:39.340 --> 00:34:42.679
<v Speaker 2>anything is possible. This order is so fucking crazy. It

737
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.719
<v Speaker 2>is so crazy to imagine that there is a secret

738
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>power bestowed upon the postal service to decide which ballots

739
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>are allowed and which ballots are not allowed. It doesn't

740
00:34:53.739 --> 00:34:56.010
<v Speaker 2>apply to any other. You can't come up with any

741
00:34:56.070 --> 00:35:00.210
<v Speaker 2>other comparison to any other kind of mail or rule.

742
00:35:01.349 --> 00:35:03.329
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't even make sense, right? The only reason this

743
00:35:03.369 --> 00:35:07.190
<v Speaker 2>is even possible is because we've never had ballots as

744
00:35:07.230 --> 00:35:09.360
<v Speaker 2>anything other than open in terms of being able to

745
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:11.420
<v Speaker 2>tell it's a ballot, right? So what would happen if

746
00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:13.039
<v Speaker 2>somebody just took their ballot and put it in a

747
00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:16.530
<v Speaker 2>white envelope, right? That's now protected by The Fourth Amendment,

748
00:35:16.570 --> 00:35:19.969
<v Speaker 2>because you as a voter are protected. You as a person,

749
00:35:20.010 --> 00:35:21.070
<v Speaker 2>a citizen, are protected.

750
00:35:21.090 --> 00:35:22.510
<v Speaker 3>Your mail is protected. They're not allowed to go in

751
00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:24.110
<v Speaker 3>there without a warrant.

752
00:35:24.130 --> 00:35:27.280
<v Speaker 2>So because ballots look like ballots, they've created a rule

753
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:28.940
<v Speaker 2>in which the Postal Service can, on behalf of the

754
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.820
<v Speaker 2>federal government, decide which state is upholding the rules they

755
00:35:31.860 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 2>want or not. It's just so absurd on its face

756
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.659
<v Speaker 2>that you can't imagine even the Supreme Court allowing it

757
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.260
<v Speaker 2>to go through.

758
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 1>But one of the DOJ's arguments to the Supreme Court,

759
00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:43.260
<v Speaker 1>or in one of the cases, it might not have

760
00:35:43.300 --> 00:35:46.460
<v Speaker 1>been the Supreme Court one, was... Well, I mean, this

761
00:35:46.539 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 1>isn't the federal government getting involved in state elections because

762
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>obviously the states are, you know, and the Constitution says

763
00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the states can run elections themselves. And if the states

764
00:35:56.380 --> 00:36:00.250
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to. deliver the ballots themselves to people. Nothing

765
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.500
<v Speaker 1>is stopping them from doing that. We're just saying that

766
00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:04.780
<v Speaker 1>if you use the postal service, this is what you

767
00:36:04.820 --> 00:36:07.420
<v Speaker 1>have to do, which is funny because it's like they're

768
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>even like Trump's out there being like, I hate mail-in ballots.

769
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:11.139
<v Speaker 1>We want to cancel them.

770
00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 3>But I use them all the time.

771
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>But I use them all the time. Right. But in court,

772
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.019
<v Speaker 1>they're like, no, no, this isn't about anything about mail-in

773
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 1>ballots not being great. This is just about the postal

774
00:36:20.739 --> 00:36:24.030
<v Speaker 1>service requiring a certain kind of envelope. And based on

775
00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:26.280
<v Speaker 1>if you've You get a barcode and you get the

776
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.139
<v Speaker 1>barcode if you've given us the list of voters.

777
00:36:28.260 --> 00:36:31.280
<v Speaker 2>But this is where, like, none of it really makes sense, right?

778
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.429
<v Speaker 2>Because I am just a person using the mail. I

779
00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:37.760
<v Speaker 2>am a person mailing my ballot that I am legally

780
00:36:37.800 --> 00:36:40.250
<v Speaker 2>allowed to mail that they're grabbing because of a dispute

781
00:36:40.329 --> 00:36:44.230
<v Speaker 2>with the state, right? But, like, if they have evidence

782
00:36:44.269 --> 00:36:46.369
<v Speaker 2>that there is a specific person who they believe is

783
00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:48.929
<v Speaker 2>a non-citizen using the mail, they can, you know, they

784
00:36:48.969 --> 00:36:50.789
<v Speaker 2>get a, go get a warrant and open the fucking,

785
00:36:50.949 --> 00:36:53.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, prove that this guy or this person isn't, isn't,

786
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 2>isn't eligible to vote.

787
00:36:54.860 --> 00:36:55.019
<v Speaker 6>Right.

788
00:36:55.260 --> 00:36:57.860
<v Speaker 2>But they can't just dismiss a whole group of people

789
00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:00.820
<v Speaker 2>from voting because they're in some kind of other dispute.

790
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.869
<v Speaker 2>It's just, it's so, it's, it's, it's so hamfisted. I,

791
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.300
<v Speaker 2>to me, it seems now at this point, at least

792
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.780
<v Speaker 2>through this election, it is only meant to sow mistrust

793
00:37:09.940 --> 00:37:13.820
<v Speaker 2>and uncertainty around mail-in voting. And like, you know, there,

794
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:15.929
<v Speaker 2>I think it's Katanja Brown Jackson, like a sort of

795
00:37:15.969 --> 00:37:19.019
<v Speaker 2>warns about sort of this court's habit of deciding cases

796
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:20.800
<v Speaker 2>are either too early or too late, right? And the

797
00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:22.559
<v Speaker 2>possibility that they will do that once again, they're doing

798
00:37:22.579 --> 00:37:25.860
<v Speaker 2>with the ballroom. But to me, it's like, it's now

799
00:37:25.909 --> 00:37:28.619
<v Speaker 2>getting to the point where it is inconceivable that any

800
00:37:28.659 --> 00:37:30.650
<v Speaker 2>court could allow this to be in place for this election.

801
00:37:30.690 --> 00:37:33.429
<v Speaker 2>And so to me, it's a, I hope, a future

802
00:37:33.469 --> 00:37:34.170
<v Speaker 2>threat at best.

803
00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:38.630
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's sort of where I landed too, because you,

804
00:37:39.230 --> 00:37:41.469
<v Speaker 1>even with, even the Supreme Court, the way they described

805
00:37:41.489 --> 00:37:44.019
<v Speaker 1>the first ruling, it was like, well, They haven't issued

806
00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:46.039
<v Speaker 1>the final rule yet, so no one has actually been

807
00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:50.050
<v Speaker 1>harmed yet. Now that the rule has been issued, when

808
00:37:50.090 --> 00:37:51.619
<v Speaker 1>it comes back to them and they have to actually

809
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.690
<v Speaker 1>decide the constitutionality of the rule itself, it feels like

810
00:37:54.730 --> 00:37:58.329
<v Speaker 1>it could be a very different situation. So assuming people

811
00:37:58.369 --> 00:38:02.510
<v Speaker 1>get their ballots delivered and can vote without federal agents interfering,

812
00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:06.389
<v Speaker 1>Republican candidates will have to contend with their most formidable

813
00:38:06.449 --> 00:38:10.309
<v Speaker 1>midterm opponent, Donald Trump. Over the weekend, Jonathan Martin published

814
00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:13.710
<v Speaker 1>a piece with the headline, the Republican Party's midterm nightmare

815
00:38:13.829 --> 00:38:17.869
<v Speaker 1>is taking shape. The standout quote came from North Dakota

816
00:38:17.909 --> 00:38:21.949
<v Speaker 1>Republican Senator Kevin Cramer. He's not usually a quote machine.

817
00:38:22.010 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't hear much from Kevin Cramer. But he cited

818
00:38:25.380 --> 00:38:28.260
<v Speaker 1>the price of diesel, the price of fertilizer, and Trump's tariffs,

819
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.820
<v Speaker 1>telling Jay Mark, quote, he's in serious trouble in farm country,

820
00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 1>he being Trump, and Trump is us. I'm not very optimistic. Rough.

821
00:38:39.210 --> 00:38:40.250
<v Speaker 1>What did you guys think of J-Mart's piece?

822
00:38:40.269 --> 00:38:42.409
<v Speaker 2>I think that could have been a cleaner sentence from Kramer.

823
00:38:42.429 --> 00:38:43.489
<v Speaker 2>I see why he's not quoted very much.

824
00:38:44.429 --> 00:38:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I think they were eating together or something.

825
00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

826
00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:50.500
<v Speaker 1>I assume they were eating together because it's J-Mart.

827
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jonathan, that's all he does. He's constructed a show

828
00:38:53.539 --> 00:38:56.340
<v Speaker 3>around going to lunches in various places. I read the

829
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.030
<v Speaker 3>piece and my reaction was, you know, close my eyes,

830
00:38:59.090 --> 00:39:01.679
<v Speaker 3>say a little prayer that it comes to be. Um,

831
00:39:01.940 --> 00:39:04.900
<v Speaker 3>I do suspect that the kind of economic sentiment and

832
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.059
<v Speaker 3>frustration is locked in. There's no fixing that between now

833
00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 3>and election day. In fact, there's reasons to believe it

834
00:39:09.980 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 3>could get worse because of all the Iran stuff we

835
00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:11.880
<v Speaker 3>talked about.

836
00:39:11.780 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 6>At the top.

837
00:39:12.820 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Um, it does feel like Trump is doing everything in

838
00:39:14.820 --> 00:39:18.050
<v Speaker 3>his power to lose the midterms. The farmer piece of

839
00:39:18.090 --> 00:39:20.030
<v Speaker 3>it is real. Like I've talked to people in Iowa

840
00:39:20.409 --> 00:39:23.250
<v Speaker 3>about how we screwed over Iowa farmers. Uh, the, the

841
00:39:23.289 --> 00:39:26.949
<v Speaker 3>China trade war crushed soybean farmers. The Iran war jacked

842
00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:30.659
<v Speaker 3>up the price of gasoline and diesel and fertilizers. The

843
00:39:30.739 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 3>fight with Canada is just the latest piece of this.

844
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 2>And Canada, by the way, is being very strategic in

845
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<v Speaker 2>where it is targeting those tariffs.

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<v Speaker 3>They're hitting Michigan. They're hitting Maine. But a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>those farmers are still just red-pilled, Fox News-loving, Rush Limbaugh-listening Republicans.

848
00:39:46.070 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know where they're going to go.

849
00:39:48.940 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>The hope is they don't vote.

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00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.280
<v Speaker 3>The hope is that Rob Sand and Josh Turek can

851
00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:55.719
<v Speaker 3>convince enough of them to stay home or maybe go

852
00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:57.719
<v Speaker 3>crazy and vote for Democrats.

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00:39:57.760 --> 00:39:59.360
<v Speaker 4>So we'll see.

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00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.739
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's like, it's challenging fundamentals in some of

855
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.920
<v Speaker 3>those states. Reading through the list of states, like I

856
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.179
<v Speaker 3>feel really good about North Carolina. The fundamentals in Maine

857
00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:10.909
<v Speaker 3>should be leaning pretty hard towards Democrats, but we've had

858
00:40:10.929 --> 00:40:12.110
<v Speaker 3>challenges in that state before.

859
00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:14.210
<v Speaker 1>After there, it gets complicated.

860
00:40:14.230 --> 00:40:17.260
<v Speaker 3>You know, when Ohio's at the top of your you know,

861
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:19.139
<v Speaker 3>you start crossing your fingers and saying some prayers.

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00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of Iowa, the paragraph on the piece that I

863
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.179
<v Speaker 1>really liked was, flipping pork burgers at the Iowa State

864
00:40:25.219 --> 00:40:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Fair earlier this month, Ashley Hinson, who's running against Josh Turek,

865
00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.030
<v Speaker 1>was glad to discuss her technique with the spatula, the

866
00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:34.150
<v Speaker 1>importance of her race to the Senate map, and her

867
00:40:34.190 --> 00:40:37.230
<v Speaker 1>opponent missing votes on the legislature. But she went silent

868
00:40:37.570 --> 00:40:40.309
<v Speaker 1>at repeated questions about whether it was time to end

869
00:40:40.550 --> 00:40:44.630
<v Speaker 1>the war. I mean, you just can't, you can't get

870
00:40:44.670 --> 00:40:47.650
<v Speaker 1>away with that. Until November. I mean, like, maybe you

871
00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:50.150
<v Speaker 1>still pull it out, but, like, that's not— There will.

872
00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:52.510
<v Speaker 3>Be a debate. There will be editorial board meetings. There

873
00:40:52.530 --> 00:40:54.090
<v Speaker 3>will be a bunch of opportunities where she is going

874
00:40:54.110 --> 00:40:56.099
<v Speaker 3>to have to answer questions about this.

875
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:56.739
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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00:40:57.420 --> 00:41:00.380
<v Speaker 1>And John Husted, who's running against Sherrod, I think, at

877
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>the outset, he said, like, he wanted the war to be, like,

878
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:06.519
<v Speaker 1>quick and efficient and successful, or clean and successful, quick

879
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:08.619
<v Speaker 1>and successful. How's that going? It's like, yeah, that's not

880
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:09.219
<v Speaker 1>going well either.

881
00:41:09.460 --> 00:41:09.659
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

882
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:10.860
<v Speaker 3>Wishes were kisses.

883
00:41:11.940 --> 00:41:12.610
<v Speaker 1>Wishes were kisses.

884
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.929
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. That's what I'm always saying.

885
00:41:13.949 --> 00:41:14.090
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

886
00:41:14.369 --> 00:41:16.650
<v Speaker 1>No, you're always saying that.

887
00:41:17.699 --> 00:41:21.699
<v Speaker 3>I also think things with Canada could get worse in

888
00:41:21.739 --> 00:41:23.300
<v Speaker 3>a meaningful way between now and then, too.

889
00:41:23.380 --> 00:41:25.150
<v Speaker 1>A sentence that is crazy that you had to say.

890
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:25.500
<v Speaker 2>I know.

891
00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 3>I talked to the premier of British Columbia today for

892
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:31.539
<v Speaker 3>Pod Save the World coming out Wednesday. Subscribe wherever you

893
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 3>get your pods. He's not in Carney's political party. He's

894
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.989
<v Speaker 3>in the party to the left of Carney. he's putting

895
00:41:37.110 --> 00:41:40.429
<v Speaker 3>pressure on Carney to do more to retaliate. Carney has

896
00:41:40.469 --> 00:41:43.570
<v Speaker 3>been perfectly proportionate in his response. It's like dollar for

897
00:41:43.610 --> 00:41:46.489
<v Speaker 3>dollar responses. He wants him to do more, consider not

898
00:41:46.530 --> 00:41:49.500
<v Speaker 3>buying F-35s, for example. And so Carney has support from

899
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 3>his left. He also has support from his right. We've

900
00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 3>seen Doug Ford in Ontario literally telling Trump to kiss

901
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.719
<v Speaker 3>his ass. And 76% of Canadian voters support walking away.

902
00:41:59.579 --> 00:42:00.079
<v Speaker 1>From the talks.

903
00:42:00.139 --> 00:42:04.139
<v Speaker 3>So that is not they're not capitulating anytime soon. Certainly

904
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:04.860
<v Speaker 3>not before the midterms.

905
00:42:04.940 --> 00:42:09.659
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting that Trump is successfully producing a nationalist fervor,

906
00:42:10.139 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>but it's just in Canada. Yeah.

907
00:42:11.579 --> 00:42:11.739
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

908
00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:12.059
<v Speaker 3>Iran.

909
00:42:12.380 --> 00:42:16.219
<v Speaker 1>Did you, uh, did you hear that dipshit Congressman Andy

910
00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:20.260
<v Speaker 1>Harris was on Fox today and they, uh, talk, we're

911
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.900
<v Speaker 1>talking about the Canadian trade war and he's like, yeah,

912
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, Alberta might want to, as talked about before,

913
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.989
<v Speaker 1>like seceding from, from Canada. They're like, we should annex

914
00:42:29.030 --> 00:42:31.190
<v Speaker 1>that state. We should just go in there and take

915
00:42:31.230 --> 00:42:33.489
<v Speaker 1>it because a lot of oil there, a lot of

916
00:42:33.530 --> 00:42:37.369
<v Speaker 1>good oil reserves. We are now just, we have Republican congressmen,

917
00:42:37.389 --> 00:42:40.590
<v Speaker 1>we're taking Venezuela's oil, Canada looks good, we'll take some

918
00:42:40.690 --> 00:42:42.409
<v Speaker 1>oil there, we'll annex, like what.

919
00:42:42.269 --> 00:42:43.789
<v Speaker 2>The, what has happened?

920
00:42:44.369 --> 00:42:47.110
<v Speaker 3>Pretty sure he's Hannah's parents' congressman.

921
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.019
<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's the one Republican from Maryland. Well, you see, John, well,

922
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:58.500
<v Speaker 1>so fascism, It is a permission. Well, this is like

923
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.659
<v Speaker 1>what you hear when like you watch, you know, the

924
00:43:01.699 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 1>clips from Russia, like Russian state TV, the way they

925
00:43:04.780 --> 00:43:07.420
<v Speaker 1>talk about the rest of these pundits. These are now

926
00:43:07.699 --> 00:43:08.679
<v Speaker 1>our Republican congressmen.

927
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.010
<v Speaker 2>Well, just like they're, it's like, oh, you know, oh,

928
00:43:11.050 --> 00:43:12.269
<v Speaker 2>you can't call Trump a fascist.

929
00:43:12.349 --> 00:43:14.170
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's too late. It's too soon, whatever. It's like,

930
00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:15.630
<v Speaker 3>it's an instinct. It's an instinct.

931
00:43:15.690 --> 00:43:17.769
<v Speaker 2>And for it's, there can be no ego wound. There

932
00:43:17.809 --> 00:43:20.250
<v Speaker 2>can be no loss. There can be nothing that shows weakness.

933
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:23.710
<v Speaker 2>It does lead to one place, which it just requires

934
00:43:25.230 --> 00:43:27.650
<v Speaker 2>toward expansion because it is the only way to truly

935
00:43:27.710 --> 00:43:30.889
<v Speaker 2>prove you're strong and tough and can't be defeated. So

936
00:43:30.909 --> 00:43:32.949
<v Speaker 2>we're going to go after Greenland and get the Venezuelan oil,

937
00:43:33.030 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>and we're going to bomb Carg Island, and then we're.

938
00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:35.900
<v Speaker 3>Going to take Alberta.

939
00:43:36.699 --> 00:43:39.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's quite cold up there.

940
00:43:39.320 --> 00:43:42.340
<v Speaker 3>Also, Alberta's having a vote on whether to have a

941
00:43:42.380 --> 00:43:46.050
<v Speaker 3>Brexit-style referendum tomorrow. Most people think there's like 30% support

942
00:43:46.110 --> 00:43:48.110
<v Speaker 3>for that. So it's like, okay, we're just going to

943
00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:50.320
<v Speaker 3>invade because they're having a vote? Yeah, I was going

944
00:43:50.340 --> 00:43:52.099
<v Speaker 3>to say, it's beside the point since we're just going

945
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:52.719
<v Speaker 3>to invade anyway.

946
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.420
<v Speaker 1>So you guys alluded to this, but of all the

947
00:43:57.019 --> 00:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>vulnerable Republicans running in the midterms, Trump's trade war with

948
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.340
<v Speaker 1>Canada is making it especially difficult for Mike Rogers and

949
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.860
<v Speaker 1>Susan Collins, who are trailing their Democratic opponents in two

950
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 1>border states that are really going to get screwed by

951
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.170
<v Speaker 1>the tariffs. Rogers put out a very long statement over

952
00:44:15.190 --> 00:44:18.010
<v Speaker 1>the weekend where he tried to blame Democrats for the

953
00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:21.969
<v Speaker 1>trade war, specifically Alyssa Slotkin and Gary Peters, the other

954
00:44:22.010 --> 00:44:25.429
<v Speaker 1>two senators from Michigan, and said Trump is, quote, right

955
00:44:25.469 --> 00:44:29.530
<v Speaker 1>to put America first and tariffs are necessary but are

956
00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:33.670
<v Speaker 1>not a one-size-fits-all solution. What does that mean? In Maine,

957
00:44:34.130 --> 00:44:37.010
<v Speaker 1>Susan Collins showed that she's not afraid to stand up

958
00:44:37.030 --> 00:44:40.539
<v Speaker 1>to Trump by writing a letter to Howard Lutnick. where

959
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:44.059
<v Speaker 1>she politely urged the administration to restart trade negotiations.

960
00:44:44.179 --> 00:44:46.710
<v Speaker 3>Hey, hey, Senator Collins, here's the thing.

961
00:44:47.369 --> 00:44:49.550
<v Speaker 2>If you just ask for agent enough times, you can

962
00:44:49.570 --> 00:44:51.590
<v Speaker 2>get that letter to Lethick's manager.

963
00:44:51.829 --> 00:44:52.349
<v Speaker 4>To a person.

964
00:44:52.389 --> 00:44:54.130
<v Speaker 2>You can get that thing up the chain of command.

965
00:44:54.489 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 2>You don't know how to send letters to the president.

966
00:44:56.699 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 3>You're sending a.

967
00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Warmly worded letter to the Commerce Secretary, who you know

968
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.780
<v Speaker 2>is a powerless schlub.

969
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.329
<v Speaker 1>She also, like, she listed off some of the impacts

970
00:45:07.969 --> 00:45:10.670
<v Speaker 1>on people in Maine from the trade war and at

971
00:45:10.690 --> 00:45:13.289
<v Speaker 1>the end was like, please feel free to reach out

972
00:45:13.309 --> 00:45:16.489
<v Speaker 1>and follow up if there are any other impacts on

973
00:45:16.530 --> 00:45:17.829
<v Speaker 1>Maine that you would like to know about.

974
00:45:17.849 --> 00:45:19.719
<v Speaker 3>It's like, what?

975
00:45:20.780 --> 00:45:23.300
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, obviously they're trying to have it both ways, right?

976
00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:27.099
<v Speaker 1>They want to seem like they are against the tariffs

977
00:45:27.139 --> 00:45:30.610
<v Speaker 1>and the trade war, these two, without, I guess... like

978
00:45:30.769 --> 00:45:32.909
<v Speaker 1>doing too much to piss off Trump, but like, it

979
00:45:33.349 --> 00:45:35.780
<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like the best strategy. I don't know.

980
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.659
<v Speaker 3>In normal times, you would like distance yourself from the dumb,

981
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.420
<v Speaker 3>unpopular thing that's harming your state and show that you

982
00:45:42.460 --> 00:45:43.940
<v Speaker 3>care about your state and you're fighting for your state

983
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.380
<v Speaker 3>and also that you have some independence. But Trump doesn't

984
00:45:47.420 --> 00:45:50.340
<v Speaker 3>think much of independent thinking, so they're all kind of stuck.

985
00:45:50.380 --> 00:45:51.940
<v Speaker 3>I just, I don't think you really have it both ways.

986
00:45:52.179 --> 00:45:56.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean, nationally, Nate Silver has Trump at like 58%

987
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 3>disapproval in terms of trade policy and tariff policy nationwide.

988
00:46:03.099 --> 00:46:04.900
<v Speaker 3>I would like to see some data from states like

989
00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:08.219
<v Speaker 3>Michigan or Maine that are affected by the tariffs, but

990
00:46:08.260 --> 00:46:12.030
<v Speaker 3>I would imagine it would be more acutely felt there.

991
00:46:13.150 --> 00:46:17.050
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of a better statement for Abdul than

992
00:46:17.090 --> 00:46:20.139
<v Speaker 2>Mike Rogers' statement. putting out a statement on tariffs. And

993
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.730
<v Speaker 2>then the first line is, once again, Michiganders are forced

994
00:46:22.750 --> 00:46:25.010
<v Speaker 2>to bear the consequences of the failed leadership from our

995
00:46:25.090 --> 00:46:28.250
<v Speaker 2>Democratic officials in Washington. Because Abdul's point is this guy's

996
00:46:28.269 --> 00:46:30.730
<v Speaker 2>going to be a sock puppet for Donald Trump. You

997
00:46:30.769 --> 00:46:34.170
<v Speaker 2>are asked a question specifically about Donald Trump's policies, and

998
00:46:34.190 --> 00:46:37.489
<v Speaker 2>you can't criticize him. You cannot offer a single word

999
00:46:37.510 --> 00:46:38.829
<v Speaker 2>of criticism. It's unbelievable.

1000
00:46:39.130 --> 00:46:39.829
<v Speaker 3>No one's going to buy it.

1001
00:46:40.929 --> 00:46:43.670
<v Speaker 2>Once again, they're not in charge. No one, but no,

1002
00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:45.389
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows they're not in charge. So who is this

1003
00:46:45.429 --> 00:46:46.030
<v Speaker 2>statement for?

1004
00:46:46.309 --> 00:46:48.750
<v Speaker 1>You've got Democratic candidates out there, a lot of them

1005
00:46:48.809 --> 00:46:52.610
<v Speaker 1>saying they wouldn't vote for Schumer for leader, like unafraid

1006
00:46:52.650 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 1>to break with the national party on things. And on

1007
00:46:56.440 --> 00:47:00.039
<v Speaker 1>the most unpopular economic policy from Donald Trump that is

1008
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:04.420
<v Speaker 1>specifically hurting two states, Susan Collins' state and Mike Rogers'

1009
00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>state that are, or they're like running for election and reelection.

1010
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.449
<v Speaker 1>They can't even say like, I disagree. Not only do

1011
00:47:11.469 --> 00:47:13.610
<v Speaker 1>I disagree with Donald Trump, but like, I'm going to

1012
00:47:13.650 --> 00:47:15.690
<v Speaker 1>try to do something like, you know, send me back

1013
00:47:15.710 --> 00:47:17.159
<v Speaker 1>there and I'm going to keep fighting. I like, dude,

1014
00:47:17.179 --> 00:47:20.239
<v Speaker 1>just do something to show that you're fighting besides a fucking,

1015
00:47:20.619 --> 00:47:23.599
<v Speaker 1>like a letter is a joke, a caricature like this.

1016
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:25.760
<v Speaker 1>The joke is a strongly worded letter. And like, that's

1017
00:47:25.780 --> 00:47:27.900
<v Speaker 1>what she did. She just did the caricature.

1018
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 2>It's not even that strongly worded. It's a very mild letter.

1019
00:47:31.139 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 4>It's a tepid letter.

1020
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 1>It's a tepidly worded letter. That's what she said. And then,

1021
00:47:34.940 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>and Rogers is like, but tariffs are not a one

1022
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.059
<v Speaker 1>size fits all solution. Like, What are we, are we

1023
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 1>supposed to read into what that possibly means? Tell your

1024
00:47:43.340 --> 00:47:43.780
<v Speaker 1>boss that.

1025
00:47:44.019 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 2>So you support, well, like it's interesting what's happened with

1026
00:47:47.219 --> 00:47:49.849
<v Speaker 2>the politics of terror specifically, because at this moment, free

1027
00:47:49.869 --> 00:47:52.889
<v Speaker 2>trade is just, it's, it's, it's, it's very in right now,

1028
00:47:53.070 --> 00:47:54.289
<v Speaker 2>very popular free trade.

1029
00:47:54.329 --> 00:47:54.469
<v Speaker 6>Right.

1030
00:47:54.489 --> 00:47:56.030
<v Speaker 1>But like even the lefties, right.

1031
00:47:56.070 --> 00:47:57.230
<v Speaker 2>But if you would have said, right, if you would

1032
00:47:57.250 --> 00:48:00.230
<v Speaker 2>have said like the politics on tariffs before Donald Trump

1033
00:48:00.250 --> 00:48:01.909
<v Speaker 2>did this, did tariffs in the way that he's done

1034
00:48:02.090 --> 00:48:03.940
<v Speaker 2>would have been like, and we're going to put tariffs

1035
00:48:03.980 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 2>on Canadian goods because we're going to stop them from

1036
00:48:06.059 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 2>taking our jobs. Like, That could have been an applause

1037
00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:12.239
<v Speaker 2>line at a Michigan rally like a decade ago, even less.

1038
00:48:13.230 --> 00:48:16.070
<v Speaker 2>And so it is a strange thing of, like, are people,

1039
00:48:16.170 --> 00:48:18.190
<v Speaker 2>is he sort of not wanting to give up the

1040
00:48:18.369 --> 00:48:20.369
<v Speaker 2>good politics of terrorists while criticizing these?

1041
00:48:20.949 --> 00:48:22.260
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1042
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:23.019
<v Speaker 1>He's afraid of Trump.

1043
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course, of course, he's afraid of Trump. This

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<v Speaker 2>used BetterHelp globally. BetterHelp therapists have at least three years

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<v Speaker 2>switch therapists at any time if it's not the right fit. Therapy,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so important. I gotta get back into therapy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, wow, yeah. What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing Love It or Leave It.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about- I think that's a form of therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>At Love It or Leave It, I was talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the intrusive thoughts I have just from the walk from

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<v Speaker 2>backstage onto the stage, and it horrified the crowd. Horrified

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<v Speaker 2>the crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>See, that's a perfect reason to go to therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's the better place for that.

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<v Speaker 2>John, do you ever.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you can get better help.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm on the street, all right, and... Like I

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<v Speaker 2>will see like, let's say there'll be a commotion or

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<v Speaker 2>people arguing about a traffic spot or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just see something. I not only imagine them fighting and

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<v Speaker 2>then a crime and then a death and then a trial.

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<v Speaker 2>I am standing on the street. I am testifying at

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<v Speaker 2>that trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's a fully, the full story unfolds in a

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<v Speaker 2>second of two people just being mad in a parking lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a mental, that's something I should get talked

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody about.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm just thinking about the news.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Abdul is working to repair his image among some in

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<v Speaker 1>the state's Jewish community, specifically about comments he made back

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<v Speaker 1>in March after the attack on a synagogue in the

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit suburbs. At the time, Abdul firmly condemned the attack,

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00:51:41.699 --> 00:51:44.699
<v Speaker 1>but then tried to offer some context by saying that, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>hurt people hurt people, meaning that violence in the Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East can lead to violence here. Here's part of what

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<v Speaker 1>he said at an event with Jewish Democrats on Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>in Lansing.

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<v Speaker 6>I did not appreciate that in the attempt to offer

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<v Speaker 6>broader context, I was trampling the dignity that that fear

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<v Speaker 6>and that pain should have been afforded. And I could

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<v Speaker 6>imagine that for a lot of folks that would have

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<v Speaker 6>read like he does not see our pain or weigh

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<v Speaker 6>it equally.

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<v Speaker 3>And that was not my intention with the statement.

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<v Speaker 6>And if my statement caused pain, I'm sorry. That was

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<v Speaker 6>not what I intended to do. And sometimes you can

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<v Speaker 6>offer context for something, but not in the moment when

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<v Speaker 6>people are feeling it. Okay. And, you know, I made

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<v Speaker 6>a mistake. And in the fullness of time, I hope

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<v Speaker 6>that we can have conversations that are about context. But

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<v Speaker 6>sometimes you can't really see context in the moment of

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<v Speaker 6>acuity or pain. And I want folks to know that,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, when the Jewish community is attacked, I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to be right there to defend.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you guys make the apology and the way

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00:52:49.579 --> 00:52:50.059
<v Speaker 1>he framed it?

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<v Speaker 3>I watched the original message back. It was like a

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00:52:54.230 --> 00:52:55.530
<v Speaker 3>four and a half minute statement. I think he just

1143
00:52:55.750 --> 00:52:58.380
<v Speaker 3>tried to do too much in it. If you think

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<v Speaker 3>back to that moment, it was like the guy who

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<v Speaker 3>attacked the synagogue, he was born in Lebanon. He had

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<v Speaker 3>just lost family, I think, including kids in Israeli airstrikes.

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<v Speaker 3>So then he decided to attack the synagogue in retaliation,

1148
00:53:12.820 --> 00:53:16.090
<v Speaker 3>which obviously is like unjustifiable, evil, and just an act

1149
00:53:16.130 --> 00:53:19.610
<v Speaker 3>of terrorism. And Abdul... you know, condemned what he did.

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00:53:19.630 --> 00:53:21.900
<v Speaker 3>He called it unacceptable. And then he just tried to

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00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:25.059
<v Speaker 3>explain the context, which was like what I just talked

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00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.179
<v Speaker 3>about and then why it's wrong to blame Jewish people

1153
00:53:27.219 --> 00:53:29.780
<v Speaker 3>for actions of the Israeli government. And then get into

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00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:32.530
<v Speaker 3>like the hurt people, hurt people thing. And then do

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00:53:32.570 --> 00:53:34.570
<v Speaker 3>this broader point of like, imagine if there was no

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<v Speaker 3>war and like no one was incentivized to do this

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00:53:38.090 --> 00:53:40.250
<v Speaker 3>kind of stuff. And it just, It was too much.

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00:53:40.510 --> 00:53:42.929
<v Speaker 3>And I think listeners just felt like it was close

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<v Speaker 3>to maybe a justification or blaming the war for what

1160
00:53:45.949 --> 00:53:49.269
<v Speaker 3>this individual did rather than just saying, like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>evil and unjustifiable, full stop. So it sounds like the

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<v Speaker 3>message was well received in the room. I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>value in politics, actually, to saying.

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<v Speaker 4>I was wrong. I screwed up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>If I hurt you, I'm really sorry. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>meaningful to people. So hopefully it helps. you know, staunchly

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<v Speaker 3>bleeding here and I think restore some trust and open

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<v Speaker 3>a dialogue between Abdul and the Jewish community, which is

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people are trying to exacerbate that split with,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, conversation about Hassan Peker or whatever else.

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<v Speaker 2>The, so I think it's, I'm glad he did this.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it is good.

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<v Speaker 2>I do, and I, and I like hesitant to even

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, I don't know, like nitpick because, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he is apologizing for this statement. It is clear what

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<v Speaker 2>he means and what he meant and what he is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to do. And he is under a nonstop barrage

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<v Speaker 2>of false Islamophobic, uh, bigoted attacks, fast and furious constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>or attacks that assume some Islamophobia on the part of

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<v Speaker 2>the listener by making all kinds of assumptions about him,

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<v Speaker 2>about him being evil. That was just today with Vance, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>or how that he believes evil things, whatever it would be. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, like I, you see this right, right? Like, like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about the context.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, And he does say in both the original statement

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<v Speaker 2>and he says here, right, that there's no justification, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Because whatever pain this person may have experienced, however real

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<v Speaker 2>and terrible it may be, collective punishment is always wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It is wrong when someone commits a terrorist attack against

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<v Speaker 2>Jews in Michigan. It is wrong when Israel kills civilians

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza. And to me, it can stop there. The

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<v Speaker 2>cause of the hurt is immaterial. And part of, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>why the statement brought people the wrong way is not

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<v Speaker 2>because there was something fundamentally untrue about what he was saying.

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<v Speaker 3>It was about.

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<v Speaker 2>The source of the pain matters, right? We care about

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<v Speaker 2>certain kinds of pain more than we care about other

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of pain. And so I'm glad he is saying

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<v Speaker 2>this in the statement, but the idea that there was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the time for context was later, maybe so. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think at any point in which you're discussing this, it

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<v Speaker 2>has to begin and end with the fact that any

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<v Speaker 2>form of collective, and our own feelings are never a

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<v Speaker 2>justification for any kind of violence against people who simply

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<v Speaker 2>are part of a group that you are antagonistic towards.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a really genuine apology. Like, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a range of politician apologies, and some are more half-assed

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<v Speaker 1>than others. And, you know, he was just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>doing that off the cuff. He was asked a question.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't hold back. And he didn't try to say, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't intend this and that. It was like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I made a mistake and there's the time for context.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't it. Like he, I just thought it was great. And, um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jessica Alexander is the chair of the mission,

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan democratic Jewish caucus. Um, she said, you know, she,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the, the campaign knows there's work to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish community, but, um, she doesn't have concerns about

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<v Speaker 1>Abdul and, um, Jeremy Moss, who's the democratic nominee for

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<v Speaker 1>a house seat in Michigan and, and has declined to

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<v Speaker 1>endorse Abdul since the primary. He said he's still concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about Abdul's position on Israel, but that the apology was genuine, credible,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated by the caucus, and then said, we've had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of meaningful and thoughtful conversations since the primary, and

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<v Speaker 1>this was something that got brought up. So, like, I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's sort of also, I mean, you can look

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<v Speaker 1>at the, you can dissect the national implications and the

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<v Speaker 1>Hassan Pike of it all, but I think it was, like,

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<v Speaker 1>Abdul's reaching out and talking to the Jewish community in Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was the thing that really bothered people. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he said, okay, I'm going to address it.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, just the use of such a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cliched phrase as hurt people, hurt people probably was

1235
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<v Speaker 2>like a big part of it, even if it makes

1236
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<v Speaker 2>sense inside the context. I also, by the way, like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not, I don't even, not even saying that

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<v Speaker 2>what I, like my, the feeling I have is less

1239
00:57:44.340 --> 00:57:47.539
<v Speaker 2>directed specifically at this, this comment by Abdul than like,

1240
00:57:48.119 --> 00:57:50.420
<v Speaker 2>there is this, you see it all the time. And

1241
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:52.190
<v Speaker 2>it's just part of, I think it's like a social

1242
00:57:52.309 --> 00:57:57.510
<v Speaker 2>media thing that like the... So like Brad Lander is

1243
00:57:57.570 --> 00:57:59.849
<v Speaker 2>yelled at on the streets of New York, right? And

1244
00:58:00.010 --> 00:58:03.030
<v Speaker 2>Brad Lander is against AIPAC. He won his race in

1245
00:58:03.050 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 2>part because he came out against military for aid for Israel.

1246
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.099
<v Speaker 2>He's called what Israel did in Gaza a genocide, right?

1247
00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:12.860
<v Speaker 2>He called Israel an apartheid state. But he is yet

1248
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.019
<v Speaker 2>while still defending the idea of a two-state solution in

1249
00:58:15.059 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 2>which Israel and Palestine live side by side in peace, fine.

1250
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:20.530
<v Speaker 2>And he gets harassed on the street. And I saw

1251
00:58:20.610 --> 00:58:23.800
<v Speaker 2>people coming... to his defense, by saying something about how, like, oh,

1252
00:58:23.820 --> 00:58:26.900
<v Speaker 2>this is unhelpful, right? This, to attack someone like that is,

1253
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:30.380
<v Speaker 2>it makes it look as though this movement is anti-Semitic.

1254
00:58:30.420 --> 00:58:34.210
<v Speaker 2>It makes it look as though the argument against, the

1255
00:58:34.250 --> 00:58:36.869
<v Speaker 2>argument by the Zionist is true, that there's people who

1256
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<v Speaker 2>don't accept any Jew that is part of this movement, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, hold on a second. It's not really just

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<v Speaker 2>about how it looks, right? Like, There is anti-Semitism in

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00:58:44.650 --> 00:58:46.690
<v Speaker 2>this movement. That is a problem. It is a problem

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<v Speaker 2>on your terms because it makes your movement less successful.

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00:58:49.469 --> 00:58:51.929
<v Speaker 2>It is also a problem for a society to have

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00:58:52.050 --> 00:58:56.570
<v Speaker 2>anti-Semitism infused inside of a growing and increasingly popular movement.

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<v Speaker 2>That needs to be addressed on the merits, not simply

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00:58:58.630 --> 00:59:01.090
<v Speaker 2>because it's bad strategy, right? But part of it is

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<v Speaker 2>there's this effort to the generosity for people on our

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<v Speaker 2>own side versus the assumption of bad faith on the

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<v Speaker 2>part of the other.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, let's just.

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<v Speaker 2>apply the same standard across the board, right? This is,

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<v Speaker 2>we would call a right winger doing this an anti-Semite,

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<v Speaker 2>not someone who is giving into the Zionist by seeming

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<v Speaker 2>like an anti-Semite.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have to, and we have to do that, uh,

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00:59:21.789 --> 00:59:23.710
<v Speaker 2>even when it's on our own side. That's, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>point I'm making.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, JD Vance was scheduled to speak to the Republican

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish coalition in Vegas on Monday evening. But before that

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<v Speaker 1>he was in Michigan where he, uh, hit Abdul on

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<v Speaker 1>the synagogue comments, lots of other things. Uh, he stood

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00:59:39.170 --> 00:59:41.739
<v Speaker 1>up for his wife and like a sort of fake

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00:59:41.780 --> 00:59:45.659
<v Speaker 1>seeming way that did not really come off as a human,

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00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.260
<v Speaker 1>which is typical of JD Vance. Um, Abdul tried to

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<v Speaker 1>counter with some Ohio state trash talk, JD Vance couch joke. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think? Who do you think got

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<v Speaker 1>the better of that exchange in Michigan? And any thoughts

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00:59:59.679 --> 01:00:01.539
<v Speaker 1>on how this campaign is going?

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to say.

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01:00:02.739 --> 01:00:03.500
<v Speaker 2>I mean, J.D.

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<v Speaker 3>Is as cynical as they come, right? This is the

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01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.480
<v Speaker 3>guy who famously said that the country was being run

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<v Speaker 3>by a bunch of childless cat ladies.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was such a prick about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I rolled my eyes at the whole wounded, like,

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01:00:12.590 --> 01:00:16.150
<v Speaker 3>how dare you talk about my family thing. Because he

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01:00:16.210 --> 01:00:19.940
<v Speaker 3>was the one who invoked his pee-paw campaign. In the

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<v Speaker 3>first place, when he attacked Abdul and was like, imagine

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<v Speaker 3>telling my peep-off, Democrats support Sharia law, whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a joke about that in Love It or

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01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:31.409
<v Speaker 2>Leave It, which is like, oh, Papa, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring Sharia law. He's like, I don't know what that

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<v Speaker 2>is yet. I haven't been made to be afraid of

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01:00:35.030 --> 01:00:35.269
<v Speaker 2>that yet.

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<v Speaker 3>The fuck doesn't exist yet.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So like all that said, like I do think you're

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01:00:39.849 --> 01:00:42.550
<v Speaker 3>on firm political ground politically. If you just focus on

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01:00:42.570 --> 01:00:44.690
<v Speaker 3>the person running for office, the elected official and not

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<v Speaker 3>their family and not kind of like constantly make this

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01:00:46.610 --> 01:00:49.909
<v Speaker 3>point about J.D. Vance's family and kids. I also think

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01:00:49.949 --> 01:00:52.019
<v Speaker 3>that the couch fucker thing has been dead for a

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01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:53.880
<v Speaker 3>while and no one really knows what you're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>and probably is worth steering away from. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about J.D. Vance, I'm just talking about how

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01:00:59.260 --> 01:01:02.219
<v Speaker 3>this is a guy who's willing to say or do

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01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:06.550
<v Speaker 3>anything for power. He is willing to flip flop on

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01:01:06.590 --> 01:01:09.130
<v Speaker 3>any policy issue, support any war, like do what it

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01:01:09.170 --> 01:01:12.210
<v Speaker 3>takes to make sure Donald Trump is president and go

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01:01:12.250 --> 01:01:12.590
<v Speaker 3>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>What are they doing? What are they doing to hurt people?

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<v Speaker 1>That is the that is which I would keep that

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01:01:18.030 --> 01:01:20.599
<v Speaker 1>in mind for every candidate in every race. And when

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01:01:20.619 --> 01:01:23.980
<v Speaker 1>you're going after the Republicans, whether the ones you're running

1324
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:26.079
<v Speaker 1>against or Donald Trump, it is what have they done

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01:01:26.099 --> 01:01:28.460
<v Speaker 1>to hurt people and piss people off? And I'm going

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01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.019
<v Speaker 1>to talk about that and fight for people.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not running against J.D. Vance, and you have

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01:01:33.190 --> 01:01:36.389
<v Speaker 2>a limited amount of time to define Mike Rogers, right?

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01:01:36.409 --> 01:01:41.329
<v Speaker 2>This is the Republican that has, he ultimately has embraced

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01:01:41.650 --> 01:01:43.570
<v Speaker 2>the 2020 conspiracy theories, but I think there is still

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01:01:43.610 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>a must, there's like a memory of him as being

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01:01:45.179 --> 01:01:47.780
<v Speaker 2>kind of an old school, reasonable Republican. You have a

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01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 2>limited amount of time to define Mike Rogers. J.D. Vance

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01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:57.380
<v Speaker 2>is a representation of a failed, destructive administration that is

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01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:01.300
<v Speaker 2>damaging the Michigan's economy that will be backed up 100%

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<v Speaker 2>by Mike Rogers. And so any tit for tat you're

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01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.139
<v Speaker 2>in that's about J.D. Vance as a person, about his family,

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01:02:06.179 --> 01:02:09.980
<v Speaker 2>about couch fucker, whatever it is, is not about the core.

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01:02:10.099 --> 01:02:13.019
<v Speaker 2>It's the soundbite people are pulling and it has nothing

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01:02:13.059 --> 01:02:15.619
<v Speaker 2>to do with Mike Rogers whatsoever. That to me is

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01:02:15.639 --> 01:02:15.949
<v Speaker 2>the problem.

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01:02:16.949 --> 01:02:21.630
<v Speaker 1>So Trump apparently isn't satisfied with just making Republicans defend

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01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:23.650
<v Speaker 1>his stupid trade war. He's also going to make them

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01:02:23.690 --> 01:02:28.900
<v Speaker 1>defend his stupid support for data centers. Out of nowhere,

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01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:31.460
<v Speaker 1>he took to Truth Social on Monday morning to write

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01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:35.099
<v Speaker 1>the following. The only reason that communities throughout the USA

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01:02:35.139 --> 01:02:37.619
<v Speaker 1>should not want data centers is if they want to

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01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:40.260
<v Speaker 1>end up being backwards and poor. If they want to

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01:02:40.300 --> 01:02:42.880
<v Speaker 1>be successful and rich with far lower taxes and jobs

1350
01:02:43.019 --> 01:02:47.389
<v Speaker 1>all over the place, let data reign. The good news

1351
01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:49.750
<v Speaker 1>is that there are plenty of other places that want them.

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01:02:50.170 --> 01:02:52.880
<v Speaker 1>If we kill the golden goose, you will only have

1353
01:02:52.929 --> 01:02:57.360
<v Speaker 1>yourselves to blame. The post got flooded with replies from

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01:02:57.460 --> 01:03:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Truth Social users saying things like, I regret ever supporting you.

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01:03:01.420 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 1>You have lost your mind. And this statement is insane. Like,

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01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.119
<v Speaker 1>why do you guys think Trump is intent on dying

1357
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:09.599
<v Speaker 1>on this hill?

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<v Speaker 3>This is just another example of him doing everything possible

1359
01:03:13.380 --> 01:03:16.659
<v Speaker 3>to lose the midterms, it feels like. I mean, just

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01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:19.820
<v Speaker 3>so folks know, Elected officials on both sides of the

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01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.820
<v Speaker 3>aisle are furiously backpedaling from data centers. Like Josh Shapiro

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01:03:23.860 --> 01:03:26.840
<v Speaker 3>was all in on all these big investments coming to Pennsylvania.

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01:03:27.099 --> 01:03:29.179
<v Speaker 3>He's now pumping the brakes and putting executive orders out.

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01:03:29.500 --> 01:03:32.699
<v Speaker 3>The NRSC just put out a memo where they described

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01:03:32.739 --> 01:03:35.809
<v Speaker 3>data centers as the anchor around the neck of the

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01:03:35.849 --> 01:03:40.230
<v Speaker 3>Republican Senate candidate in Ohio. And Trump was like, you

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01:03:40.250 --> 01:03:42.789
<v Speaker 3>guys are a bunch of idiots. Quit your bitching. Quit

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01:03:42.809 --> 01:03:45.230
<v Speaker 3>your bitching about wanting water and power.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so like.

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<v Speaker 2>J.D.

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01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Vance, like, tries to clean up after Trump when he's

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<v Speaker 1>on the tarmac in Michigan and is asked about this.

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01:03:53.949 --> 01:03:56.190
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, well, I don't think data centers are

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01:03:56.230 --> 01:03:59.730
<v Speaker 1>controversial as long as, you know, you make sure that

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01:03:59.789 --> 01:04:03.829
<v Speaker 1>the companies, the hyperscalers that are building them are not,

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01:04:04.010 --> 01:04:07.610
<v Speaker 1>you know, building their own power plants. You know, I

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01:04:07.820 --> 01:04:09.940
<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's going to help either. Building their

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01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:12.940
<v Speaker 1>own power plants and that the electricity rates aren't going

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01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:14.619
<v Speaker 1>up and that people, like, so he's trying to add

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01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:17.050
<v Speaker 1>all these caveats. And then Trump's out there just like, No,

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01:04:17.369 --> 01:04:19.750
<v Speaker 1>they're awesome. And if you don't like them, you're backwards

1382
01:04:19.789 --> 01:04:20.289
<v Speaker 1>and poor.

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01:04:21.070 --> 01:04:24.530
<v Speaker 2>Or you will be soon enough. It's like the mishandling

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01:04:24.550 --> 01:04:27.739
<v Speaker 2>of the data centers, like Trump's comments to me are like, oh,

1385
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.780
<v Speaker 2>you don't want to kill the golden goose. And it's like, okay,

1386
01:04:31.619 --> 01:04:34.940
<v Speaker 2>these companies are on television on a daily basis saying basically,

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01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:38.000
<v Speaker 2>we're building it whether you like, we're inventing this technology.

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01:04:38.860 --> 01:04:40.579
<v Speaker 2>It'll help you cheat on your, it'll help your kids

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01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:43.610
<v Speaker 2>cheat at school. It may destroy the planet. It may

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01:04:43.630 --> 01:04:46.489
<v Speaker 2>cure cancer. It will eliminate all the jobs. In order

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01:04:46.570 --> 01:04:48.030
<v Speaker 2>to get to that desired.

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01:04:47.670 --> 01:04:48.869
<v Speaker 1>Outcome- Best case scenario.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to get to that desired outcome, we are

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01:04:51.070 --> 01:04:54.170
<v Speaker 2>going to have to have massive construction that requires a

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01:04:54.190 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 2>great deal of water and power. And after that is done,

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01:04:57.510 --> 01:05:00.980
<v Speaker 2>it will be monitored by basically one security guard in perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just don't forget, over the course of three

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01:05:06.699 --> 01:05:11.769
<v Speaker 2>Republican administrations, we've slowly but surely- reduced any public good

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01:05:12.050 --> 01:05:14.039
<v Speaker 2>in terms of taxes that could come from this. We

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01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:15.940
<v Speaker 2>have showed you that we are going to have a

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01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.719
<v Speaker 2>tax code in which all that wealth accrues, the jobs

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01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:21.679
<v Speaker 2>are eliminated, and there's no public benefit, right? Or there's

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01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:24.400
<v Speaker 2>much less of a public benefit. And then we don't,

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01:05:24.440 --> 01:05:26.510
<v Speaker 2>and then they're shocked that there's some kind of a backlash, right?

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01:05:26.530 --> 01:05:28.349
<v Speaker 2>Like these people are all so greedy. And I think

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01:05:28.389 --> 01:05:30.730
<v Speaker 2>like the tax part of it is not part of

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01:05:30.769 --> 01:05:33.389
<v Speaker 2>this debate. And it's not really, it's tangential, I guess.

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01:05:34.210 --> 01:05:37.409
<v Speaker 2>But they have spent years training people to expect that

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01:05:37.489 --> 01:05:41.039
<v Speaker 2>corporations are going to build a tax code in which

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01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the public will not benefit from their profits. And people,

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01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.619
<v Speaker 2>I think, now instinctively do not believe. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>time when I think, look, it was a famous sentence, right?

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01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 2>What's good for GM is good for the country. It

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01:05:50.099 --> 01:05:52.260
<v Speaker 2>was used in the majority. But there was a sense

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01:05:52.280 --> 01:05:53.909
<v Speaker 2>in which we kind of believed that the success of

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01:05:53.929 --> 01:05:57.320
<v Speaker 2>an American company was a kind of shared kind of

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01:05:57.389 --> 01:05:59.150
<v Speaker 2>success for the country. And I just don't think people

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01:05:59.269 --> 01:06:01.050
<v Speaker 2>buy that anymore. And so then you're just going to

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01:06:01.110 --> 01:06:02.789
<v Speaker 2>build this thing in my house and take all the money.

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01:06:03.130 --> 01:06:04.869
<v Speaker 2>And what do I get out of it? Maybe you're

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01:06:04.909 --> 01:06:07.989
<v Speaker 2>claiming lower electricity rates, which maybe actually technically true, but

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01:06:08.030 --> 01:06:09.489
<v Speaker 2>actually doesn't intuitively make sense.

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01:06:09.510 --> 01:06:12.190
<v Speaker 3>So I'm not going to believe you. You get AI

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01:06:12.289 --> 01:06:15.349
<v Speaker 3>photos of Donald Trump's Canada geese with machine guns is

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01:06:15.369 --> 01:06:17.309
<v Speaker 3>what you get. I think to answer your question, I

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01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:19.769
<v Speaker 3>think the reason Trump puts out stuff like that is

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01:06:19.789 --> 01:06:22.969
<v Speaker 3>because the only people around him are rich guys who

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<v Speaker 3>probably have a vested financial interest in these companies who

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01:06:25.690 --> 01:06:28.449
<v Speaker 3>bought access to Trump. So he's probably reflecting their views

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01:06:28.489 --> 01:06:30.840
<v Speaker 3>in the cynical ways they talk about the stuff behind

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01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:32.579
<v Speaker 3>closed doors. I mean, you see this stuff from like

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01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:36.269
<v Speaker 3>the all-in podcast guys, like Chamath, what's his name? was

1433
01:06:36.309 --> 01:06:41.809
<v Speaker 3>attacking someone who simply wrote up a Substack piece about

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01:06:41.909 --> 01:06:46.000
<v Speaker 3>the very scary open AI hugging face cyber attack incident.

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01:06:46.099 --> 01:06:49.960
<v Speaker 3>He was attacking him as some sort of Luddite shill for,

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01:06:50.079 --> 01:06:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, big humanity or something. It's funny. Those

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01:06:52.940 --> 01:06:55.900
<v Speaker 3>are the people who actually are probably speaking to Trump directly.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump needs these data centers so he can fight the

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01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:03.010
<v Speaker 1>war with Iran and Canada online with all of his

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01:07:03.070 --> 01:07:05.690
<v Speaker 1>AI slot. I think that's why he needs them. I mean,

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01:07:05.710 --> 01:07:09.590
<v Speaker 1>there's like a... The problem with this is there is a... Okay,

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01:07:10.110 --> 01:07:12.670
<v Speaker 1>the first one big problem people have with data centers

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01:07:12.829 --> 01:07:16.550
<v Speaker 1>is the technology they are for is scaring the shit

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01:07:16.570 --> 01:07:19.820
<v Speaker 1>out of everyone, mainly because the people who have invented

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01:07:19.860 --> 01:07:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this technology and are developing it have told us so.

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01:07:23.300 --> 01:07:27.380
<v Speaker 1>But let's pretend that... The data centers were for technology

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01:07:27.409 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 1>that was going to be universally beneficial and didn't have

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01:07:29.659 --> 01:07:31.900
<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems. There's like a way to build

1450
01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.139
<v Speaker 1>them where, as opposed to giving tax breaks to these

1451
01:07:35.179 --> 01:07:39.139
<v Speaker 1>big data centers, you make them pay a tax to

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01:07:39.179 --> 01:07:41.130
<v Speaker 1>the community, which they do in Loudoun County, where it

1453
01:07:41.170 --> 01:07:43.469
<v Speaker 1>has most of the data centers. And like, sure enough.

1454
01:07:43.929 --> 01:07:46.300
<v Speaker 1>They're like building new schools and have all kinds of

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01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:48.840
<v Speaker 1>fancy public projects and all the roads are repaved and

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01:07:48.940 --> 01:07:51.619
<v Speaker 1>everything and people's property taxes are going down. So you

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01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:54.519
<v Speaker 1>can do that. If they are going to add to

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01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:57.739
<v Speaker 1>the power grid, you can make these companies then modernize

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01:07:57.780 --> 01:08:00.679
<v Speaker 1>the power grid, make it bigger, make it work better, right?

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01:08:00.699 --> 01:08:02.739
<v Speaker 1>Which we've needed to do for a while. Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>ways to put all the responsibility and burden on the

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01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.599
<v Speaker 1>companies building the data centers so that it works well.

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01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.900
<v Speaker 1>And then make sure that, like, the public has input

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01:08:12.920 --> 01:08:14.719
<v Speaker 1>in each community, all this kind of shit. All of

1465
01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:16.989
<v Speaker 1>that's going to go out the window because we have

1466
01:08:17.369 --> 01:08:20.270
<v Speaker 1>fucking Donald Trump who's like, just build them or fucking

1467
01:08:20.310 --> 01:08:23.109
<v Speaker 1>shut up or you're backwards and forwards. Like, there's going

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01:08:23.130 --> 01:08:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to be no getting past sort of, like, the populist

1469
01:08:27.199 --> 01:08:30.199
<v Speaker 1>antipathy towards these data centers with the way things are going.

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01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:33.840
<v Speaker 1>And that's going to be. People responsible for that will

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01:08:33.859 --> 01:08:36.060
<v Speaker 1>be Donald Trump and the AI companies themselves.

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01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:36.420
<v Speaker 6>Oh, yeah.

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01:08:36.460 --> 01:08:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Like this backlash, like the fact that there's now a

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01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.590
<v Speaker 2>poll that said people would rather have a nuclear power

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01:08:42.630 --> 01:08:44.210
<v Speaker 2>plant close to them than a data center.

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01:08:44.229 --> 01:08:46.649
<v Speaker 1>I may get both because the data centers might need

1477
01:08:46.670 --> 01:08:49.630
<v Speaker 1>to build their own nuclear power plant just to run

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01:08:49.649 --> 01:08:50.409
<v Speaker 1>the data center.

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01:08:50.430 --> 01:08:50.630
<v Speaker 4>Sure.

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01:08:50.710 --> 01:08:53.189
<v Speaker 2>I personally would choose data center in that bargain, right?

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01:08:53.210 --> 01:08:55.090
<v Speaker 2>Like there is a lot of like, I think in

1482
01:08:55.109 --> 01:08:58.149
<v Speaker 2>part because like the first round of this was done

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01:08:58.170 --> 01:08:59.970
<v Speaker 2>without a lot of input from people are scared.

1484
01:09:00.220 --> 01:09:01.100
<v Speaker 3>About the implications of this.

1485
01:09:01.819 --> 01:09:04.640
<v Speaker 2>And like, there's such hubris on the part of these people. Like, oh,

1486
01:09:04.649 --> 01:09:06.289
<v Speaker 2>you're just stupid for not wanting this.

1487
01:09:06.329 --> 01:09:08.760
<v Speaker 3>Or you're just... You're just like, I guess you don't

1488
01:09:08.779 --> 01:09:11.960
<v Speaker 3>want to defeat China. That's the dumbest shit. Look, just

1489
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:13.819
<v Speaker 3>to be honest here, stopping the construction of these data

1490
01:09:13.840 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 3>centers is going to have very little impact on the

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01:09:16.020 --> 01:09:18.520
<v Speaker 3>deployment of AI or the ability of these companies to

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01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:19.420
<v Speaker 3>build the next big model.

1493
01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:21.300
<v Speaker 1>Almost none. It's completely negligible.

1494
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:24.149
<v Speaker 3>I think what this is is a proxy for the

1495
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:28.170
<v Speaker 3>anger people feel at having absolutely no control over the

1496
01:09:28.189 --> 01:09:29.510
<v Speaker 3>deployment of this technology.

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01:09:29.750 --> 01:09:32.710
<v Speaker 1>Congress isn't doing anything. States aren't doing anything.

1498
01:09:32.850 --> 01:09:35.130
<v Speaker 3>The Trump administration was trying to block states from doing

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01:09:35.229 --> 01:09:38.340
<v Speaker 3>anything on their own. So this data center issue and

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01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.859
<v Speaker 3>the construction of them has become the focus of the fight.

1501
01:09:41.189 --> 01:09:43.710
<v Speaker 3>And so Trump is both getting paid off by the executives,

1502
01:09:43.770 --> 01:09:46.810
<v Speaker 3>but also knows that the entire stock market is propped

1503
01:09:46.949 --> 01:09:50.050
<v Speaker 3>up by a couple AI stocks in this circular investment

1504
01:09:50.090 --> 01:09:52.630
<v Speaker 3>they have with a handful of other companies. And once

1505
01:09:52.689 --> 01:09:55.810
<v Speaker 3>that balloon is popped, the whole thing is crashing down.

1506
01:09:55.890 --> 01:09:58.529
<v Speaker 3>And his singular accomplishment, which is a high stock market,

1507
01:09:58.550 --> 01:10:00.899
<v Speaker 3>which he doesn't really have anything to do with, is

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01:10:00.939 --> 01:10:01.539
<v Speaker 3>coming down with it.

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01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:05.079
<v Speaker 1>I just, again, all of the candidates in these marquee

1510
01:10:05.100 --> 01:10:08.859
<v Speaker 1>Senate races, who have tried to backpedal along with everyone

1511
01:10:08.899 --> 01:10:12.229
<v Speaker 1>else who was pro-data center. Can't wait for them to

1512
01:10:12.270 --> 01:10:16.270
<v Speaker 1>be asked about this Trump comment. Mike Rogers, do you

1513
01:10:16.310 --> 01:10:18.630
<v Speaker 1>think that Michigan communities that don't want data centers are

1514
01:10:18.649 --> 01:10:21.369
<v Speaker 1>going to end up backwards and poor? What about you,

1515
01:10:21.409 --> 01:10:27.479
<v Speaker 1>Susan Collins, John Husted, all the Ken Paxton? So one

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01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:30.600
<v Speaker 1>other storyline from the Senate field. Laura Loomer is back

1517
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:34.119
<v Speaker 1>in the news going after Florida Democratic nominee Angie Nixon

1518
01:10:34.159 --> 01:10:37.449
<v Speaker 1>and other prominent women of color. in terms that are

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01:10:37.970 --> 01:10:40.670
<v Speaker 1>so disgusting, I'm not even going to try to characterize them.

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01:10:40.689 --> 01:10:41.810
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to play the clip.

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01:10:41.939 --> 01:10:45.020
<v Speaker 5>Call out the entitlement of these, as I like to

1522
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:49.369
<v Speaker 5>call them, ghetto black bitches. Angie Nixon, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley,

1523
01:10:49.609 --> 01:10:55.609
<v Speaker 5>Cori Bush. Katonji Brown Jackson. It goes both ways. You

1524
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:58.659
<v Speaker 5>don't get to go demonize white people and demonize white

1525
01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:01.840
<v Speaker 5>politicians and white men and say that, you know, there's

1526
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.239
<v Speaker 5>a white male problem or a white domestic terror problem

1527
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:07.000
<v Speaker 5>in America when you behave like an absolute animal.

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01:11:07.340 --> 01:11:10.560
<v Speaker 1>So we contemplated not playing that clip, but thought it

1529
01:11:10.579 --> 01:11:12.760
<v Speaker 1>was important to do so because that is someone who

1530
01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:16.229
<v Speaker 1>has regularly flown with Donald Trump on Air Force One,

1531
01:11:16.649 --> 01:11:22.449
<v Speaker 1>has walk-in access to the Oval. and gets people hired

1532
01:11:22.510 --> 01:11:23.130
<v Speaker 1>and fired.

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01:11:23.350 --> 01:11:25.680
<v Speaker 3>She got the head of the NSA fired. She got

1534
01:11:25.720 --> 01:11:27.979
<v Speaker 3>like a bunch of top national security officials fired.

1535
01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:34.079
<v Speaker 1>And I have not heard one Republican candidate, politician, been

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01:11:34.239 --> 01:11:36.119
<v Speaker 1>asked to answer for this. No.

1537
01:11:36.439 --> 01:11:39.350
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's shockingly racist. She's said stuff like this before.

1538
01:11:39.729 --> 01:11:42.609
<v Speaker 3>She's also said things about Islam and Muslims that are

1539
01:11:42.630 --> 01:11:45.470
<v Speaker 3>just as bad. She called herself a proud Islamophobe. She

1540
01:11:45.510 --> 01:11:48.210
<v Speaker 3>said that Islam is a cancer, that Muslims are savages.

1541
01:11:49.329 --> 01:11:52.689
<v Speaker 3>I think these comments, like Laura Loomer's existence is one

1542
01:11:52.710 --> 01:11:55.470
<v Speaker 3>of the best examples of where Democrats are hurt by

1543
01:11:55.529 --> 01:11:58.609
<v Speaker 3>not having a massive right-wing media apparatus like Fox News

1544
01:11:58.640 --> 01:12:00.159
<v Speaker 3>because we have Fox on in our office a lot.

1545
01:12:00.739 --> 01:12:03.399
<v Speaker 3>There's been a story about Hasan Piker every hour on

1546
01:12:03.439 --> 01:12:06.100
<v Speaker 3>the hour on Fox News for probably a couple weeks now.

1547
01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:07.100
<v Speaker 1>This is no exaggeration.

1548
01:12:07.579 --> 01:12:08.159
<v Speaker 3>No, literally.

1549
01:12:08.180 --> 01:12:08.699
<v Speaker 2>You have it on mute.

1550
01:12:08.739 --> 01:12:09.640
<v Speaker 3>You just look up and it's.

1551
01:12:09.579 --> 01:12:15.539
<v Speaker 2>Just like it's Hasan, Abdul, occasionally the parent of a

1552
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:17.020
<v Speaker 2>volleyball player. Yeah.

1553
01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:18.020
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1554
01:12:18.220 --> 01:12:18.609
<v Speaker 1>Mamdani.

1555
01:12:18.939 --> 01:12:22.319
<v Speaker 3>Mamdani will pop up, yeah. The other challenge, though, is that,

1556
01:12:23.439 --> 01:12:26.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, Trump has said stuff that's like just as bad,

1557
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.020
<v Speaker 3>if not worse. And so it's hard to know where

1558
01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:30.979
<v Speaker 3>the shame comes from.

1559
01:12:31.020 --> 01:12:31.939
<v Speaker 1>But it's like it's been.

1560
01:12:31.840 --> 01:12:35.220
<v Speaker 3>Normalized on the right and on the left. There are

1561
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:38.250
<v Speaker 3>things that are still surprising to people, to members of Congress,

1562
01:12:38.270 --> 01:12:40.270
<v Speaker 3>to electeds. So it's terrible.

1563
01:12:40.949 --> 01:12:43.989
<v Speaker 1>Loomer also took credit over the weekend for ICE arresting

1564
01:12:44.010 --> 01:12:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and deporting Milo Yiannopoulos. the British-born former Breitbart editor, former

1565
01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:53.359
<v Speaker 1>Kanye West aide, and just a generally vile troll. He's

1566
01:12:53.380 --> 01:12:54.819
<v Speaker 1>been out of sight for a few years, but he's

1567
01:12:54.859 --> 01:12:58.020
<v Speaker 1>seen a minor resurgence of late as an ally of

1568
01:12:58.060 --> 01:13:02.579
<v Speaker 1>Tucker Carlson, who plans to publish Yiannopoulos' book called Ex Gay.

1569
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:07.550
<v Speaker 1>Yiannopoulos appears to be a player in the larger Laura Loomer,

1570
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Candace Owens, Marjorie Taylor Greene war. Anyone want to attempt

1571
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:18.630
<v Speaker 1>to untangle this one? Or thoughts on Milo's deportation?

1572
01:13:18.869 --> 01:13:22.729
<v Speaker 2>It's, there's, you know, you are what you pretend to be,

1573
01:13:22.770 --> 01:13:24.050
<v Speaker 2>so you should be careful what you pretend to be.

1574
01:13:24.770 --> 01:13:26.069
<v Speaker 3>And that picture that.

1575
01:13:26.210 --> 01:13:27.289
<v Speaker 1>Who's pretending to be what in this?

1576
01:13:27.689 --> 01:13:30.720
<v Speaker 2>I think, like, kind of taking on this idea. Like,

1577
01:13:30.779 --> 01:13:32.859
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what his true beliefs are as they've

1578
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:33.560
<v Speaker 2>moved around.

1579
01:13:33.579 --> 01:13:33.659
<v Speaker 6>Milo?

1580
01:13:33.680 --> 01:13:34.260
<v Speaker 1>Milo.

1581
01:13:35.100 --> 01:13:37.720
<v Speaker 3>He's been gay. He's not gay. He's been crazy. Now

1582
01:13:37.739 --> 01:13:38.920
<v Speaker 3>he's a national.

1583
01:13:38.939 --> 01:13:41.380
<v Speaker 2>Whatever his position is, sort of, like, to kind of

1584
01:13:41.420 --> 01:13:44.180
<v Speaker 2>be a kind of publicity seeking troll and kind of

1585
01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:48.460
<v Speaker 2>heterodox in some way that is interesting. And also like

1586
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 2>at times sort of just clearly like making it seem

1587
01:13:51.020 --> 01:13:53.119
<v Speaker 2>as though his beliefs are not real and that he doesn't.

1588
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:53.699
<v Speaker 4>Have real beliefs.

1589
01:13:53.720 --> 01:13:54.680
<v Speaker 3>He's all a big show.

1590
01:13:54.699 --> 01:13:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Like it ends with the department, you, you help, you know,

1591
01:13:57.539 --> 01:14:01.399
<v Speaker 2>you become a fascistic right-wing kind of troll online. And

1592
01:14:01.430 --> 01:14:03.810
<v Speaker 2>then the Homeland security is putting a kind of an

1593
01:14:04.350 --> 01:14:06.930
<v Speaker 2>unflattering picture of you on the internet while they deport you.

1594
01:14:06.949 --> 01:14:09.470
<v Speaker 3>And I feel.

1595
01:14:09.369 --> 01:14:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Like it's like the, whatever it looked, every edgelord train

1596
01:14:12.119 --> 01:14:14.329
<v Speaker 2>kind of ends in their version of that. Whatever, you know,

1597
01:14:14.369 --> 01:14:16.029
<v Speaker 2>there's no, there's no, like the same way there's no

1598
01:14:16.069 --> 01:14:18.310
<v Speaker 2>like 40 year old ballerinas. It's like, this is the end.

1599
01:14:18.529 --> 01:14:20.529
<v Speaker 2>There's some terrible end to the edgelord path.

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01:14:21.949 --> 01:14:22.189
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1601
01:14:22.250 --> 01:14:23.369
<v Speaker 3>I've not dug into this one.

1602
01:14:23.470 --> 01:14:24.109
<v Speaker 4>He sucks.

1603
01:14:24.149 --> 01:14:26.420
<v Speaker 3>This guy should go away. Have fun in the UK.

1604
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:27.619
<v Speaker 3>Go back to Breitbart.

1605
01:14:27.640 --> 01:14:27.859
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1606
01:14:28.300 --> 01:14:31.500
<v Speaker 1>There's some of his tweets about immigration. Just a few,

1607
01:14:31.579 --> 01:14:34.739
<v Speaker 1>like zero immigration for the next 20 years. No ifs,

1608
01:14:34.840 --> 01:14:37.100
<v Speaker 1>no buts. That's what he said last year on X.

1609
01:14:37.590 --> 01:14:41.350
<v Speaker 1>He also had a, horrible post about, like, a couple

1610
01:14:41.369 --> 01:14:45.050
<v Speaker 1>years before that. Like, what's the etiquette when you see

1611
01:14:45.090 --> 01:14:49.109
<v Speaker 1>an ICE raid? Can you masturbate right there? Or do

1612
01:14:49.130 --> 01:14:50.689
<v Speaker 1>you have to take cover for... I mean, it was

1613
01:14:50.729 --> 01:14:53.729
<v Speaker 1>just like, like, he's gone so far in the direction of, like,

1614
01:14:53.770 --> 01:14:56.489
<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to see people deported and all that

1615
01:14:56.520 --> 01:15:01.140
<v Speaker 1>kind of stuff. Now, all that said, the idea that

1616
01:15:01.779 --> 01:15:05.079
<v Speaker 1>if Milo was still in Trump's good graces, said nice

1617
01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:08.119
<v Speaker 1>things about the Trump administration, do we think He would

1618
01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.119
<v Speaker 1>have been deported? Probably not.

1619
01:15:10.199 --> 01:15:13.140
<v Speaker 2>First, they came for Milo Yiannopoulos.

1620
01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it is because of the personalities involved. You

1621
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:18.939
<v Speaker 1>don't think about this, but it is fucking crazy that

1622
01:15:18.970 --> 01:15:24.289
<v Speaker 1>a random citizen or advisor, political advisor, you know, right-wing

1623
01:15:24.329 --> 01:15:27.970
<v Speaker 1>media star can like not like someone, think that that

1624
01:15:28.010 --> 01:15:30.829
<v Speaker 1>person's been critical of the Trump administration, call up ICE

1625
01:15:30.930 --> 01:15:32.829
<v Speaker 1>and be like, go find them and deport them. And

1626
01:15:32.850 --> 01:15:33.350
<v Speaker 1>then it works.

1627
01:15:35.170 --> 01:15:36.149
<v Speaker 3>It's also like, look, it's the.

1628
01:15:37.279 --> 01:15:39.590
<v Speaker 2>What draws the evil eye and sometimes what draws the

1629
01:15:39.619 --> 01:15:42.069
<v Speaker 2>evil eye is Jimmy Kimmel because he's on the left

1630
01:15:42.210 --> 01:15:46.550
<v Speaker 2>or some figure that annoys Trump because they're not on side.

1631
01:15:46.890 --> 01:15:49.930
<v Speaker 2>But it's just as like, it's a classic story. You draw,

1632
01:15:49.949 --> 01:15:52.630
<v Speaker 2>if you're inside the movement and become critical of it,

1633
01:15:53.590 --> 01:15:56.789
<v Speaker 2>that's just, of course, sometimes the people that have been

1634
01:15:56.829 --> 01:15:59.449
<v Speaker 2>closest to the leader are the ones that are end

1635
01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:02.920
<v Speaker 2>up in the gulag or deported or, you know, in

1636
01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:03.840
<v Speaker 2>other regimes killed.

1637
01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:04.420
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1638
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:05.649
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1639
01:16:05.939 --> 01:16:08.680
<v Speaker 1>When we come back, Nevada gubernatorial candidate Aaron Ford.

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01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:11.859
<v Speaker 3>My guest today is the attorney general for Nevada and

1641
01:16:11.899 --> 01:16:14.960
<v Speaker 3>is running as the Democratic nominee in Nevada's gubernatorial race.

1642
01:16:14.979 --> 01:16:16.939
<v Speaker 4>Aaron Ford, welcome to the show. Hey, thank you so

1643
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:17.460
<v Speaker 4>much for having me.

1644
01:16:17.579 --> 01:16:19.359
<v Speaker 3>Great to see you. Thank you for being in studio.

1645
01:16:20.060 --> 01:16:22.699
<v Speaker 3>I want to start by asking you about your opponent,

1646
01:16:22.779 --> 01:16:26.710
<v Speaker 3>Governor Lombardo. At a recent event, He said that he

1647
01:16:26.789 --> 01:16:31.189
<v Speaker 3>can't control affordability issues. He can't control inflation rates. He

1648
01:16:31.210 --> 01:16:34.850
<v Speaker 3>said claims otherwise were, quote, bullshit. He also said, quote,

1649
01:16:34.890 --> 01:16:38.430
<v Speaker 3>when you talk about kitchen table issues such as affordability, groceries,

1650
01:16:38.489 --> 01:16:41.909
<v Speaker 3>and all that, that is a driver of the federal government.

1651
01:16:42.340 --> 01:16:44.779
<v Speaker 3>Do you agree with that? And if not, what can

1652
01:16:44.819 --> 01:16:47.720
<v Speaker 3>the governor of a state like Nevada do to drive

1653
01:16:47.739 --> 01:16:50.119
<v Speaker 3>down prices or just make the life more affordable for people?

1654
01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:52.420
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, absolutely. I disagree with him on this, and

1655
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:55.340
<v Speaker 4>I've made that point known. Um, Again, thanks for having

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01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:55.659
<v Speaker 4>me on.

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01:16:55.779 --> 01:16:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:57.569
<v Speaker 4>This is an important part of the conversation that we

1659
01:16:57.590 --> 01:17:00.289
<v Speaker 4>had with Nevadans and people across the nation who have

1660
01:17:00.310 --> 01:17:02.569
<v Speaker 4>people who don't think they can do anything about affordability.

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01:17:02.989 --> 01:17:05.229
<v Speaker 4>He called it bullshit, to use your phraseology. And what

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01:17:05.310 --> 01:17:07.689
<v Speaker 4>I have said is that what I think is BS

1663
01:17:08.350 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 4>is that he vetoed a bill that would have put $ 1, 000

1664
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:14.720
<v Speaker 4>back in parents' pockets per child per year when he

1665
01:17:14.939 --> 01:17:17.840
<v Speaker 4>vetoed a bill for guaranteed school lunch for our children.

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01:17:18.390 --> 01:17:20.350
<v Speaker 4>What's BS is when he vetoed a bill that would

1667
01:17:20.369 --> 01:17:23.239
<v Speaker 4>have limited the amount you could pay for prescription drugs

1668
01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:26.079
<v Speaker 4>to the Medicare negotiated price for everybody, putting money back

1669
01:17:26.119 --> 01:17:28.359
<v Speaker 4>in people's pockets. You see, these are the types of

1670
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:29.899
<v Speaker 4>things that he could have done that we could be

1671
01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:33.399
<v Speaker 4>experiencing relief from right now. This affordability crisis wouldn't be

1672
01:17:33.460 --> 01:17:35.600
<v Speaker 4>as dire as it is right now if he had

1673
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:38.270
<v Speaker 4>aligned himself with the people of the state as opposed

1674
01:17:38.329 --> 01:17:41.090
<v Speaker 4>to the corporations that are bankrolling his campaign. I was

1675
01:17:41.109 --> 01:17:43.189
<v Speaker 4>talking to a young lady in Menden, Nevada. It's a

1676
01:17:43.210 --> 01:17:46.069
<v Speaker 4>rural part of town and a part of our state.

1677
01:17:46.090 --> 01:17:48.569
<v Speaker 4>And she was telling me she was grocery shopping. And

1678
01:17:48.609 --> 01:17:50.909
<v Speaker 4>she had a basket full of groceries, went over to

1679
01:17:51.010 --> 01:17:53.529
<v Speaker 4>the pharmacy to pick up her prescription, looked at the

1680
01:17:53.590 --> 01:17:55.670
<v Speaker 4>price on that prescription and left her groceries in the

1681
01:17:55.770 --> 01:17:58.430
<v Speaker 4>aisle because she couldn't afford both. You see, that bill

1682
01:17:58.449 --> 01:18:00.770
<v Speaker 4>he vetoed that would have limited prescription drug costs could

1683
01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:04.069
<v Speaker 4>have helped her. And that's an affordability crisis that he

1684
01:18:04.170 --> 01:18:07.550
<v Speaker 4>is causing himself. And so anyone who throws their hands

1685
01:18:07.609 --> 01:18:09.750
<v Speaker 4>up in the air like that doesn't deserve to be

1686
01:18:09.770 --> 01:18:10.470
<v Speaker 4>the governor of our state.

1687
01:18:10.739 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 1>It's a crazy thing to say when you're running for office.

1688
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:13.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Bullshit?

1689
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's the point of you being in office then?

1690
01:18:15.699 --> 01:18:16.359
<v Speaker 4>Exactly right.

1691
01:18:16.619 --> 01:18:19.829
<v Speaker 3>I saw some data over the last week that immigration

1692
01:18:19.869 --> 01:18:22.609
<v Speaker 3>arrests surged over the summer and that ICE had a

1693
01:18:22.670 --> 01:18:23.789
<v Speaker 3>record number of arrests in.

1694
01:18:23.829 --> 01:18:24.810
<v Speaker 1>June and July.

1695
01:18:24.829 --> 01:18:27.810
<v Speaker 3>If you're elected governor, how would you direct the state

1696
01:18:27.850 --> 01:18:29.699
<v Speaker 3>to work with ICE or not work with ICE?

1697
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:34.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, look, to be clear, our governor is already helping ICE.

1698
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:38.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, most Republican governors are doing that. Down in Texas,

1699
01:18:38.100 --> 01:18:41.100
<v Speaker 4>you see the governor offering land so they can build warehouses, right,

1700
01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:44.329
<v Speaker 4>to house folks. And our governor has committed our human

1701
01:18:44.369 --> 01:18:46.569
<v Speaker 4>resource of our National Guard members to help ICE do

1702
01:18:46.590 --> 01:18:48.390
<v Speaker 4>their job. And what I have heard and what I

1703
01:18:48.409 --> 01:18:52.180
<v Speaker 4>have said is that. people want our state resources, whether

1704
01:18:52.220 --> 01:18:55.020
<v Speaker 4>they are human, financial, or otherwise, to be spent on

1705
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.319
<v Speaker 4>state stuff, period. They want us spending our money and

1706
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:02.079
<v Speaker 4>our time and our resources on education, on mental health issues,

1707
01:19:02.300 --> 01:19:06.449
<v Speaker 4>on infrastructure, on things that are helping Nevadans and not

1708
01:19:06.489 --> 01:19:08.760
<v Speaker 4>doing the job of someone else. And so That's my

1709
01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.640
<v Speaker 4>position as well. And I support that. I stand for

1710
01:19:11.659 --> 01:19:14.180
<v Speaker 4>that and unequivocally say that when I'm governor, we're going

1711
01:19:14.220 --> 01:19:16.810
<v Speaker 4>to spend our state resources on state stuff, not doing

1712
01:19:16.829 --> 01:19:17.569
<v Speaker 4>someone else's job.

1713
01:19:17.630 --> 01:19:18.829
<v Speaker 1>Not doing the federal government's job.

1714
01:19:19.050 --> 01:19:21.829
<v Speaker 3>Last week, I saw that Meta settled a lawsuit with

1715
01:19:21.829 --> 01:19:26.609
<v Speaker 3>48 states over claims that its products, its apps, you know, Instagram,

1716
01:19:26.630 --> 01:19:30.859
<v Speaker 3>other things, harmed kids by offering addictive social media platforms.

1717
01:19:31.880 --> 01:19:32.739
<v Speaker 3>You joined this suit.

1718
01:19:32.779 --> 01:19:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering why.

1719
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:35.079
<v Speaker 3>And what do you think the impact is going to

1720
01:19:35.119 --> 01:19:36.619
<v Speaker 3>be for kids and parents who are trying to figure

1721
01:19:36.689 --> 01:19:39.029
<v Speaker 3>out the appropriate use of social media for kids?

1722
01:19:39.529 --> 01:19:42.829
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm smiling right now because I was asked the question,

1723
01:19:42.850 --> 01:19:44.449
<v Speaker 4>I think it was last Thursday. I was interviewing with

1724
01:19:45.350 --> 01:19:47.310
<v Speaker 4>one of our local reporters and he asked me what

1725
01:19:47.340 --> 01:19:49.939
<v Speaker 4>the proudest moment was of my career as attorney general.

1726
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:51.380
<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of proud moments. This was one

1727
01:19:51.420 --> 01:19:54.079
<v Speaker 4>of them. If not, you know, the most prideful I've

1728
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:55.939
<v Speaker 4>been in a while. And the night before we announced

1729
01:19:55.960 --> 01:19:59.189
<v Speaker 4>the settlement, I told my wife how excited I was. Because,

1730
01:19:59.470 --> 01:20:02.550
<v Speaker 4>you know, to be sure, we're getting up to $ 255

1731
01:20:02.489 --> 01:20:05.880
<v Speaker 4>million into our state from this settlement to help kids

1732
01:20:06.939 --> 01:20:09.260
<v Speaker 4>in the mental health issues that arose out of these

1733
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.579
<v Speaker 4>addictive algorithms that are harming our kids. But what I'm

1734
01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:14.579
<v Speaker 4>most proud of is the fact that we are now

1735
01:20:14.779 --> 01:20:18.420
<v Speaker 4>instituting safety features that are going to help our kids

1736
01:20:18.460 --> 01:20:21.399
<v Speaker 4>in our mental health. You don't know this story, but

1737
01:20:22.289 --> 01:20:24.189
<v Speaker 4>last session, last set of session, I actually ran a

1738
01:20:24.210 --> 01:20:27.449
<v Speaker 4>bill called the Youth Online Safety Act that would have

1739
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.439
<v Speaker 4>done exactly what I'm trying to do here. Limited screen time.

1740
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:33.239
<v Speaker 4>It would have put parental controls in. It would have

1741
01:20:33.279 --> 01:20:37.329
<v Speaker 4>put in age verification technologies. And I couldn't get the

1742
01:20:37.369 --> 01:20:39.430
<v Speaker 4>bill passed. And I got a lot of pushback from

1743
01:20:39.569 --> 01:20:41.430
<v Speaker 4>the community. But sitting next to me during one of

1744
01:20:41.470 --> 01:20:44.189
<v Speaker 4>those pieces of testimony, Tommy was a young lady. Her

1745
01:20:44.210 --> 01:20:46.770
<v Speaker 4>name was Bethany. She sat next to me with a

1746
01:20:46.850 --> 01:20:50.470
<v Speaker 4>picture of her daughter. Her daughter had committed suicide.

1747
01:20:51.329 --> 01:20:51.899
<v Speaker 1>She hung herself.

1748
01:20:52.399 --> 01:20:55.760
<v Speaker 4>And she used TikTok to do it. And when they found,

1749
01:20:55.779 --> 01:20:59.119
<v Speaker 4>she looked up ways to tie a knot on TikTok.

1750
01:20:59.420 --> 01:21:02.850
<v Speaker 4>And when they found her, TikTok was still scrolling examples

1751
01:21:02.890 --> 01:21:03.829
<v Speaker 4>of how to tie knots.

1752
01:21:04.010 --> 01:21:04.550
<v Speaker 3>Oh, my God.

1753
01:21:04.590 --> 01:21:04.770
<v Speaker 6>Right?

1754
01:21:04.970 --> 01:21:07.350
<v Speaker 4>And so what I'm most proud of right now is

1755
01:21:07.390 --> 01:21:09.510
<v Speaker 4>that this settlement, by the way, I had already sued

1756
01:21:09.550 --> 01:21:12.449
<v Speaker 4>these entities myself. I wasn't part of the multi-state lawsuit.

1757
01:21:12.489 --> 01:21:18.369
<v Speaker 4>I had sued Instagram, Messenger, and Facebook directly January of 2024.

1758
01:21:18.369 --> 01:21:20.590
<v Speaker 4>And we have beat them back from trying to escape

1759
01:21:20.670 --> 01:21:23.060
<v Speaker 4>our jurisdiction immediately. But we've settled those cases. Now we're

1760
01:21:23.220 --> 01:21:26.979
<v Speaker 4>going to get opportunities for children to have better mental

1761
01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:30.800
<v Speaker 4>health outcomes, parents more control. For example, they won't be

1762
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:33.520
<v Speaker 4>able to get notifications during school hours anymore. They're going

1763
01:21:33.550 --> 01:21:35.970
<v Speaker 4>to limit their ability to be on these apps from

1764
01:21:36.130 --> 01:21:39.630
<v Speaker 4>midnight to six. They got rid of the filters that

1765
01:21:39.649 --> 01:21:43.729
<v Speaker 4>was causing so much self-image issues. The likes and features

1766
01:21:43.750 --> 01:21:45.710
<v Speaker 4>of the default is going to have them turned off.

1767
01:21:46.130 --> 01:21:47.949
<v Speaker 4>And so parents have a lot more control. We get

1768
01:21:47.970 --> 01:21:49.609
<v Speaker 4>to protect our children, and I'm very proud of that.

1769
01:21:49.970 --> 01:21:53.130
<v Speaker 3>It's just infuriating that We've been dealing with these social

1770
01:21:53.170 --> 01:21:57.100
<v Speaker 3>media apps for well over a decade. All of us

1771
01:21:57.189 --> 01:22:00.739
<v Speaker 3>feel the harms as adults or feel the impact that

1772
01:22:00.859 --> 01:22:03.760
<v Speaker 3>social media can have on you personally, emotionally, and whatnot.

1773
01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:08.229
<v Speaker 3>And yet it took a bunch of states getting together

1774
01:22:08.270 --> 01:22:11.529
<v Speaker 3>to sue to get changes, and Congress did nothing for

1775
01:22:11.569 --> 01:22:13.869
<v Speaker 3>all that time. It just feels impossible that Congress just

1776
01:22:14.229 --> 01:22:16.050
<v Speaker 3>sat on its hand for the last decade and watched

1777
01:22:16.090 --> 01:22:16.550
<v Speaker 3>all this happen.

1778
01:22:16.909 --> 01:22:18.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And look, I'm not one to sit back and

1779
01:22:18.859 --> 01:22:20.680
<v Speaker 4>wait for somebody else to do something. If I have

1780
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:22.920
<v Speaker 4>to protect my family and I consider the state of

1781
01:22:22.939 --> 01:22:25.119
<v Speaker 4>Nevada my family, then I'm going to do it. I'm

1782
01:22:25.140 --> 01:22:28.479
<v Speaker 4>not waiting for others. But also, that's the import of

1783
01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:33.350
<v Speaker 4>attorneys general working together across state lines on issues that

1784
01:22:33.409 --> 01:22:36.689
<v Speaker 4>affect residents in all of our states. Crime doesn't stop

1785
01:22:36.729 --> 01:22:39.310
<v Speaker 4>at the border, nor do social harms that arise out

1786
01:22:39.329 --> 01:22:41.109
<v Speaker 4>of these apps that you just talked about. And so

1787
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.520
<v Speaker 4>This was an opportunity for, I think it ended up

1788
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:48.199
<v Speaker 4>being 48 attorneys general and a few from our territories

1789
01:22:48.260 --> 01:22:51.220
<v Speaker 4>as well, working together over the course of years. Our

1790
01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.600
<v Speaker 4>investigation started back in 2021, maybe 2022. I could be

1791
01:22:54.649 --> 01:22:56.350
<v Speaker 4>off a little bit in that regard, but we've been

1792
01:22:56.359 --> 01:23:01.270
<v Speaker 4>working together, talking together, figuring out strategy, figuring out what

1793
01:23:01.310 --> 01:23:05.729
<v Speaker 4>the right algorithm or other algorithmic approach is to addressing

1794
01:23:05.770 --> 01:23:09.729
<v Speaker 4>children that have mental health issues and It's facilitated this settlement.

1795
01:23:10.250 --> 01:23:13.189
<v Speaker 4>We wait on nobody to protect our children in Nevada,

1796
01:23:13.210 --> 01:23:14.060
<v Speaker 4>and I'm proud of this work.

1797
01:23:14.229 --> 01:23:15.060
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1798
01:23:15.069 --> 01:23:16.699
<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about data centers as well.

1799
01:23:17.140 --> 01:23:19.739
<v Speaker 3>So in the state legislature back in 2015, I know

1800
01:23:19.760 --> 01:23:22.899
<v Speaker 3>you sponsored legislation to create tax incentives to bring some

1801
01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>of these data centers to Nevada. Now you're pledging that

1802
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:28.939
<v Speaker 3>if elected, Nevada will have the strictest rules in the

1803
01:23:28.979 --> 01:23:30.039
<v Speaker 3>country governing them.

1804
01:23:30.659 --> 01:23:31.439
<v Speaker 1>What changed?

1805
01:23:31.899 --> 01:23:34.020
<v Speaker 3>And what's your response to Democrats who are calling for

1806
01:23:34.050 --> 01:23:37.149
<v Speaker 3>a full moratorium on building AI data centers?

1807
01:23:37.739 --> 01:23:40.560
<v Speaker 4>Well, a few things. First off, the data center of 2015,

1808
01:23:40.560 --> 01:23:43.500
<v Speaker 4>11 years ago, was not the data center of 2026.

1809
01:23:43.500 --> 01:23:46.390
<v Speaker 4>I think it was seven years before the advent of

1810
01:23:46.810 --> 01:23:49.369
<v Speaker 4>chat GPT when we were in the middle of a

1811
01:23:49.430 --> 01:23:51.989
<v Speaker 4>recession trying to bring jobs to Nevada and looking for

1812
01:23:52.029 --> 01:23:55.590
<v Speaker 4>ways to diversify our economy beyond relying on gaming. Because

1813
01:23:55.670 --> 01:23:57.510
<v Speaker 4>when the country gets the cold, we get the flu.

1814
01:23:58.170 --> 01:24:02.510
<v Speaker 4>And so we did incent data centers to operate there

1815
01:24:02.930 --> 01:24:06.510
<v Speaker 4>and did not contemplate what we are experiencing now. Again,

1816
01:24:06.550 --> 01:24:08.590
<v Speaker 4>the advent of chat GPT and the advent of AI

1817
01:24:08.689 --> 01:24:12.029
<v Speaker 4>and the usage and the draws on power, the electricity

1818
01:24:12.529 --> 01:24:15.609
<v Speaker 4>that is being consumed by these entities, the water that

1819
01:24:15.670 --> 01:24:17.449
<v Speaker 4>it has taken up. We live in a desert in Nevada.

1820
01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:21.579
<v Speaker 4>And what I have found, having spoken to Nevadans across

1821
01:24:21.659 --> 01:24:24.020
<v Speaker 4>two statewide tours in the last, I'd say, 10 months

1822
01:24:24.060 --> 01:24:27.199
<v Speaker 4>or so, is that it doesn't matter who I'm talking to. Democrats,

1823
01:24:27.239 --> 01:24:30.380
<v Speaker 4>Republicans or independents, everybody has a problem with these data

1824
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.000
<v Speaker 4>centers coming in, taking up our energy, driving up our

1825
01:24:33.350 --> 01:24:36.250
<v Speaker 4>energy prices. and draining our water, and they want us

1826
01:24:36.270 --> 01:24:38.909
<v Speaker 4>to do something. And so what I am doing is

1827
01:24:38.949 --> 01:24:43.149
<v Speaker 4>responsible and responsive, responsive to the constituents who sent me

1828
01:24:43.189 --> 01:24:45.789
<v Speaker 4>to office this time and who I'm asking to send

1829
01:24:45.810 --> 01:24:48.920
<v Speaker 4>me to office for the governor's race by developing a

1830
01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:50.899
<v Speaker 4>plan now that's going to address these data centers. I

1831
01:24:50.939 --> 01:24:54.000
<v Speaker 4>am going to halt every single future abatement on data

1832
01:24:54.020 --> 01:24:56.220
<v Speaker 4>centers until we can actually go back and do something

1833
01:24:56.260 --> 01:24:59.300
<v Speaker 4>that this current governor has not done, and that's audit

1834
01:24:59.960 --> 01:25:02.460
<v Speaker 4>the compliance with the terms and agreements in the first

1835
01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:06.869
<v Speaker 4>place that the folks that he's given incentives to, $ 220 million,

1836
01:25:06.930 --> 01:25:10.029
<v Speaker 4>I think, maybe $ 240 million over the course of the

1837
01:25:10.050 --> 01:25:13.229
<v Speaker 4>current governor's tenure. He hasn't audited them to ensure, for example,

1838
01:25:13.270 --> 01:25:15.430
<v Speaker 4>that they have hired local like they were supposed to,

1839
01:25:15.569 --> 01:25:18.449
<v Speaker 4>or they've otherwise complied with the terms of the abatement agreements.

1840
01:25:18.489 --> 01:25:20.729
<v Speaker 4>And so I'm going to stop those abatements going forward.

1841
01:25:20.930 --> 01:25:24.750
<v Speaker 4>Those tax breaks are inappropriate until we can audit those,

1842
01:25:24.770 --> 01:25:26.710
<v Speaker 4>but we're also going to require them to bring their

1843
01:25:26.729 --> 01:25:29.409
<v Speaker 4>own water. I've said they're not going to be able

1844
01:25:29.430 --> 01:25:32.800
<v Speaker 4>to raise consumer rates by one penny They're going to

1845
01:25:32.819 --> 01:25:35.789
<v Speaker 4>have to use clean energy, their own clean energy, to

1846
01:25:35.810 --> 01:25:40.590
<v Speaker 4>power their facilities and build out the grid to accommodate that.

1847
01:25:41.149 --> 01:25:43.729
<v Speaker 4>And not only that, listen to the local input before

1848
01:25:43.770 --> 01:25:46.649
<v Speaker 4>things are done. If a local community doesn't want these

1849
01:25:46.670 --> 01:25:49.109
<v Speaker 4>data centers, it shouldn't be forced on them. And it

1850
01:25:49.149 --> 01:25:52.600
<v Speaker 4>seems to me that we currently have a governor who

1851
01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:55.979
<v Speaker 4>doesn't really care about local input, in fact, has described

1852
01:25:56.739 --> 01:25:59.479
<v Speaker 4>this data center issue as a gold rush for Nevada.

1853
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.920
<v Speaker 4>And what I noticed, Tommy, the only goal rushing right

1854
01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:07.329
<v Speaker 4>now is from the big data center folks and their

1855
01:26:07.390 --> 01:26:08.229
<v Speaker 4>gold to his pockets.

1856
01:26:08.409 --> 01:26:11.170
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to the Trump ballroom. I did notice one Las

1857
01:26:11.229 --> 01:26:14.430
<v Speaker 3>Vegas resident or maybe not resident, but property owner who

1858
01:26:14.449 --> 01:26:17.770
<v Speaker 3>seems to support the data centers. President Trump said, if

1859
01:26:17.789 --> 01:26:21.000
<v Speaker 3>you oppose data centers, you want to be backwards and poor.

1860
01:26:21.420 --> 01:26:23.479
<v Speaker 3>He said that earlier today. Any thoughts on that?

1861
01:26:23.899 --> 01:26:28.579
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm beyond being surprised with commentary from our president.

1862
01:26:29.609 --> 01:26:32.250
<v Speaker 4>And he's certainly not on the ground here in Nevada,

1863
01:26:33.210 --> 01:26:36.810
<v Speaker 4>but his acolyte in Joe Lombardo is. And Joe Lombardo

1864
01:26:36.850 --> 01:26:39.750
<v Speaker 4>has capitulated, kowtowed, kissed up to Donald Trump at every

1865
01:26:39.770 --> 01:26:43.729
<v Speaker 4>single turn, every single turn. And it doesn't surprise me

1866
01:26:44.109 --> 01:26:46.430
<v Speaker 4>then that we haven't heard a single word from Joe Lombardo,

1867
01:26:46.890 --> 01:26:50.430
<v Speaker 4>at least not to my knowledge, refuting that form of characterization.

1868
01:26:51.090 --> 01:26:53.939
<v Speaker 4>We've seen, again, Lombardo align himself with Trump in advocating

1869
01:26:53.949 --> 01:26:56.539
<v Speaker 4>for data centers, calling them, saying that he's wholeheartedly in

1870
01:26:56.579 --> 01:26:59.260
<v Speaker 4>support of them. See, I'm wholeheartedly in support of Nevadans,

1871
01:26:59.279 --> 01:27:01.100
<v Speaker 4>and that's why I'm being responsive to what I've heard

1872
01:27:01.420 --> 01:27:04.659
<v Speaker 4>across every demographic, that we need to address these. You know,

1873
01:27:04.699 --> 01:27:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Joe Lombardo has written an op-ed saying we need to

1874
01:27:06.739 --> 01:27:09.399
<v Speaker 4>embrace these, you know, and again, the gold rush. Again,

1875
01:27:09.430 --> 01:27:11.090
<v Speaker 4>he's only talking about the gold rush into his pockets.

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01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.649
<v Speaker 4>But at the end of the day, you know, Trump

1877
01:27:13.689 --> 01:27:16.189
<v Speaker 4>is wrong for ignoring the will of the people. Lombardo

1878
01:27:16.510 --> 01:27:18.250
<v Speaker 4>is wrong for doing the same. And I'm going to

1879
01:27:18.270 --> 01:27:20.609
<v Speaker 4>be a governor who actually listens and is responsive.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about the Las Vegas economy.

1881
01:27:23.310 --> 01:27:26.890
<v Speaker 3>I know it's been struggling with a dip tourism. I

1882
01:27:26.930 --> 01:27:29.569
<v Speaker 3>saw the number of visitors was down, but almost 8%

1883
01:27:29.569 --> 01:27:33.550
<v Speaker 3>in 2025 as compared to 2024. I think 2026 started

1884
01:27:33.590 --> 01:27:36.850
<v Speaker 3>kind of soft. One of the reasons I've seen cited

1885
01:27:37.369 --> 01:27:40.210
<v Speaker 3>for that tourism dip is the trade war with Canada.

1886
01:27:41.029 --> 01:27:43.770
<v Speaker 3>A ton of Canadian tourists normally go to Las Vegas,

1887
01:27:45.050 --> 01:27:48.970
<v Speaker 3>but Business Insider reported that 18% fewer Canadians visited Vegas

1888
01:27:49.109 --> 01:27:52.270
<v Speaker 3>in 2025 than 2024. They're kind of voting with their feet.

1889
01:27:52.819 --> 01:27:55.859
<v Speaker 3>about Trump's comments about annexing Canada or the 51st state

1890
01:27:55.899 --> 01:28:00.430
<v Speaker 3>and now this big trade terror fight. How much of

1891
01:28:00.550 --> 01:28:03.930
<v Speaker 3>this tourism decrease do you blame on the Trump administration's

1892
01:28:03.989 --> 01:28:08.050
<v Speaker 3>policies scaring off foreign tourists from Canada or anywhere else?

1893
01:28:08.510 --> 01:28:10.930
<v Speaker 4>Look, if I had to quantify it, I'd say that

1894
01:28:10.970 --> 01:28:13.369
<v Speaker 4>it's upwards of 100%. I mean, the fact of the

1895
01:28:13.409 --> 01:28:17.479
<v Speaker 4>matter is we are living in the Lombardo-Trump economy. Joe

1896
01:28:17.520 --> 01:28:20.840
<v Speaker 4>Lombardo has advocated for these tariffs, essentially saying that we

1897
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:23.890
<v Speaker 4>need to feel a little pain from them. And I

1898
01:28:23.949 --> 01:28:26.020
<v Speaker 4>say we don't need to feel pain. We need some leadership,

1899
01:28:26.060 --> 01:28:28.380
<v Speaker 4>someone who's willing to stand up, push back against Donald

1900
01:28:28.399 --> 01:28:31.380
<v Speaker 4>Trump and say that these tariffs will harm our state.

1901
01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:35.789
<v Speaker 4>We do rely upon tourism, Canadian, Mexican, Chinese. Those tourists

1902
01:28:35.949 --> 01:28:38.380
<v Speaker 4>have stopped coming. And at the end of the day,

1903
01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:44.350
<v Speaker 4>it has negatively impacted businesses and employment all across our state.

1904
01:28:45.670 --> 01:28:48.590
<v Speaker 4>So I sued. I sued over those tariffs. And I won.

1905
01:28:49.350 --> 01:28:52.850
<v Speaker 4>Our governor said that my lawsuit was unfortunate. And all

1906
01:28:52.869 --> 01:28:54.850
<v Speaker 4>my lawsuits against the Trump administration, the ones that I

1907
01:28:54.890 --> 01:28:57.210
<v Speaker 4>keep winning by upwards of 85% or 90%, by the way,

1908
01:28:57.229 --> 01:29:00.140
<v Speaker 4>he calls unfortunate. Again, it's because he's kowtow, kissed up,

1909
01:29:00.189 --> 01:29:02.329
<v Speaker 4>and capitulated to Donald Trump at every turn. Lies down.

1910
01:29:02.789 --> 01:29:04.489
<v Speaker 4>Lion Lombardo is what they call him. I mean, he

1911
01:29:04.529 --> 01:29:06.560
<v Speaker 4>lies down, but he also lies, just to be clear

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01:29:06.569 --> 01:29:06.880
<v Speaker 4>about that.

1913
01:29:07.109 --> 01:29:07.479
<v Speaker 1>Both.

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01:29:07.609 --> 01:29:11.420
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly. But look, I think about this from a

1915
01:29:11.460 --> 01:29:14.119
<v Speaker 4>personal perspective, though, Tommy. You don't know my story, but

1916
01:29:14.539 --> 01:29:17.260
<v Speaker 4>I grew up eating stale candy bars for dinner. My

1917
01:29:17.300 --> 01:29:18.890
<v Speaker 4>daddy used to work at a grocery store, and he

1918
01:29:18.930 --> 01:29:21.689
<v Speaker 4>found some stale candy bars at the dumpster behind the

1919
01:29:21.710 --> 01:29:26.210
<v Speaker 4>grocery store. Safeway was throwing these candies away because they

1920
01:29:26.229 --> 01:29:29.039
<v Speaker 4>were stale and they couldn't sell them. But the Fords

1921
01:29:29.060 --> 01:29:31.220
<v Speaker 4>got to eat. So my daddy bought all these stale

1922
01:29:31.239 --> 01:29:34.060
<v Speaker 4>candy bars. And I keep a candy bar from that

1923
01:29:34.180 --> 01:29:36.779
<v Speaker 4>era on my desk at home, on my nightstand, on

1924
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:38.979
<v Speaker 4>my desk at work as a visual reminder every single

1925
01:29:39.020 --> 01:29:42.090
<v Speaker 4>day of what struggle looks like. I can empathize with

1926
01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:46.210
<v Speaker 4>people who are saying that they're having a tough time surviving,

1927
01:29:46.569 --> 01:29:48.750
<v Speaker 4>let alone trying to thrive right now. I went from

1928
01:29:48.770 --> 01:29:51.510
<v Speaker 4>eating stale candy bars, Tommy, to becoming a single dad

1929
01:29:51.569 --> 01:29:54.369
<v Speaker 4>when I was in college, living on Section 8 housing.

1930
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:56.659
<v Speaker 4>living on food stamps. They call it SNAP now. They

1931
01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:58.420
<v Speaker 4>got a fancy car and I had to fake money.

1932
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:00.050
<v Speaker 4>I had to tear out the little book. I was

1933
01:30:00.090 --> 01:30:02.210
<v Speaker 4>on food stamps. I was on Medicaid. That's what kept

1934
01:30:02.229 --> 01:30:04.949
<v Speaker 4>my son and me healthy. And so I have a

1935
01:30:04.989 --> 01:30:08.310
<v Speaker 4>very real understanding of what poverty and struggle looks like.

1936
01:30:08.329 --> 01:30:10.510
<v Speaker 4>And that's why I fight every single day to ensure

1937
01:30:10.529 --> 01:30:13.390
<v Speaker 4>that everyone has the ability to survive in our state.

1938
01:30:14.590 --> 01:30:17.300
<v Speaker 3>Another lawsuit I saw you put forward is, you know, well,

1939
01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.699
<v Speaker 3>the New York Times reported that Donald Trump Jr. basically

1940
01:30:21.220 --> 01:30:25.829
<v Speaker 3>at an event warned people state AGs not to police

1941
01:30:26.050 --> 01:30:30.340
<v Speaker 3>or regulate these prediction market sites like CalShe or PolyMarket.

1942
01:30:30.380 --> 01:30:33.140
<v Speaker 3>And then I think 20 states, including yours, are part

1943
01:30:33.180 --> 01:30:36.279
<v Speaker 3>of lawsuits over whether states should govern sports gambling or

1944
01:30:36.300 --> 01:30:38.819
<v Speaker 3>whether that's a federal issue. I know you also signed

1945
01:30:38.859 --> 01:30:44.189
<v Speaker 3>a letter from 44 states criticizing the platforms. I realize

1946
01:30:44.210 --> 01:30:46.670
<v Speaker 3>that your state, and Las Vegas in particular, has a

1947
01:30:46.729 --> 01:30:50.710
<v Speaker 3>different relationship with gambling and gaming and sports betting than

1948
01:30:50.770 --> 01:30:52.609
<v Speaker 3>most states. But how do you think we should be

1949
01:30:52.649 --> 01:30:54.189
<v Speaker 3>regulating these sites? I mean, do you think that the

1950
01:30:54.229 --> 01:30:57.560
<v Speaker 3>federal government or state government should do more to regulate

1951
01:30:57.739 --> 01:30:59.500
<v Speaker 3>these kind of prediction market sites?

1952
01:31:00.199 --> 01:31:02.899
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, first off, Donald Trump generally doesn't scare me.

1953
01:31:04.340 --> 01:31:06.340
<v Speaker 4>No one scares me when it comes to protecting Nevadans,

1954
01:31:06.380 --> 01:31:09.439
<v Speaker 4>which is the reason why I've actually led the fight

1955
01:31:09.479 --> 01:31:12.850
<v Speaker 4>against these prediction markets, because we are the gold standard

1956
01:31:12.899 --> 01:31:15.350
<v Speaker 4>in Nevada when it comes to sports betting. And indeed,

1957
01:31:15.430 --> 01:31:18.300
<v Speaker 4>these prediction markets are nothing but you know, a new

1958
01:31:18.359 --> 01:31:21.520
<v Speaker 4>fancy way of betting on sports. And they need to

1959
01:31:21.560 --> 01:31:24.720
<v Speaker 4>be regulated pursuant to our laws or any other law

1960
01:31:24.739 --> 01:31:27.279
<v Speaker 4>of the state, in my estimation, in which they are operating.

1961
01:31:27.579 --> 01:31:30.060
<v Speaker 4>That's how you protect consumers. That's how you ensure that

1962
01:31:30.920 --> 01:31:34.119
<v Speaker 4>they're playing by fair rules. These are things that we

1963
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:36.319
<v Speaker 4>are the gold standard of, and we deserve to be

1964
01:31:36.380 --> 01:31:39.539
<v Speaker 4>able to continue fighting that. And At the end of

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01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:42.640
<v Speaker 4>the day, we sued Kaushik, we sued Polly Marcus, we

1966
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:44.960
<v Speaker 4>sued Robin Hood, you know, and maybe a few others

1967
01:31:46.350 --> 01:31:48.810
<v Speaker 4>to ensure that they have to comply with our rules.

1968
01:31:48.890 --> 01:31:50.569
<v Speaker 4>And just last week, I think it was on Friday,

1969
01:31:50.949 --> 01:31:53.449
<v Speaker 4>the Ninth Circuit affirmed a ruling we got at the

1970
01:31:53.510 --> 01:31:55.800
<v Speaker 4>district court level saying that we indeed have the right

1971
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:58.819
<v Speaker 4>to regulate these markets because they are nothing more than

1972
01:31:58.840 --> 01:32:02.109
<v Speaker 4>sports markets. They're not these commodities markets. that they allege

1973
01:32:02.189 --> 01:32:07.909
<v Speaker 4>are controlled by swap regulations on the commodities. COTC. Exactly, right?

1974
01:32:09.029 --> 01:32:11.590
<v Speaker 4>It was a crafty way of trying to find a

1975
01:32:12.029 --> 01:32:16.260
<v Speaker 4>hole through which they could walk and operate, but they're

1976
01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:18.659
<v Speaker 4>not that savvy, and they don't frighten us. We won,

1977
01:32:18.699 --> 01:32:21.739
<v Speaker 4>and we'll continue to advocate for these types of protections.

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01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:24.659
<v Speaker 3>I mean, look, I imagine you've been in a casino

1979
01:32:24.739 --> 01:32:26.939
<v Speaker 3>once or twice in your life, like have enjoyed betting

1980
01:32:26.979 --> 01:32:29.779
<v Speaker 3>on sports or gambling. What do you think the impact is,

1981
01:32:29.819 --> 01:32:33.399
<v Speaker 3>in particular on young men, of having a casino on

1982
01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:37.180
<v Speaker 3>your phone in your pocket with all the addictive qualities

1983
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:39.800
<v Speaker 3>of social media and all the ways they keep you

1984
01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:43.970
<v Speaker 3>hooked with notifications and real-time monitoring and graphs and stuff,

1985
01:32:44.470 --> 01:32:47.989
<v Speaker 3>but with the real financial consequences of being able to

1986
01:32:48.010 --> 01:32:48.649
<v Speaker 3>lay down a real bet?

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01:32:48.890 --> 01:32:50.390
<v Speaker 4>Look, man, you've hit the nail on the head on

1988
01:32:50.430 --> 01:32:52.289
<v Speaker 4>one of the most important points there. And I know

1989
01:32:52.350 --> 01:32:56.210
<v Speaker 4>personally of young boys who are under the age of

1990
01:32:56.210 --> 01:33:00.390
<v Speaker 4>21 who have engaged in And essentially gambling and sports

1991
01:33:00.430 --> 01:33:04.470
<v Speaker 4>betting using these apps. And they have spent up their

1992
01:33:04.710 --> 01:33:09.220
<v Speaker 4>college loans. You understand? And so they, in fact, are.

1993
01:33:10.270 --> 01:33:12.869
<v Speaker 4>some of the victims that we're trying to protect. And they,

1994
01:33:12.970 --> 01:33:14.810
<v Speaker 4>in fact, would be protected if they were operating in

1995
01:33:14.869 --> 01:33:18.010
<v Speaker 4>our state in a brick and mortar or under a

1996
01:33:18.029 --> 01:33:19.930
<v Speaker 4>regulated type of activity.

1997
01:33:20.109 --> 01:33:21.949
<v Speaker 3>Because they would be cut off in some way before

1998
01:33:21.970 --> 01:33:22.689
<v Speaker 3>they could get to that point?

1999
01:33:22.970 --> 01:33:25.670
<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean, whatever restrictions they have in place that

2000
01:33:25.689 --> 01:33:27.939
<v Speaker 4>could be cut off, they're being at least monitored. People

2001
01:33:27.949 --> 01:33:29.960
<v Speaker 4>can see what's going on. If they see someone's getting

2002
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.859
<v Speaker 4>out of control, You know, there are interventions, so to speak.

2003
01:33:33.880 --> 01:33:35.180
<v Speaker 1>At least there's some friction, too.

2004
01:33:35.220 --> 01:33:37.039
<v Speaker 3>Like, you have to get up, get in the car,

2005
01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:38.939
<v Speaker 3>go to a casino, sit in a sports book.

2006
01:33:38.979 --> 01:33:40.439
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like, hand someone your money.

2007
01:33:40.460 --> 01:33:43.579
<v Speaker 3>But the fact that you just lay in bed and, like,

2008
01:33:43.619 --> 01:33:44.850
<v Speaker 3>it just seems like a real problem.

2009
01:33:45.569 --> 01:33:46.090
<v Speaker 1>Switching gears.

2010
01:33:46.130 --> 01:33:50.329
<v Speaker 3>So, back in May, your opponent was pulled over for

2011
01:33:50.369 --> 01:33:54.189
<v Speaker 3>a suspected traffic violation. A cop tried to explain to

2012
01:33:54.250 --> 01:33:57.529
<v Speaker 3>him why he had been pulled over. Governor Lombardo dropped

2013
01:33:57.550 --> 01:34:00.430
<v Speaker 3>his name. The cop was like, I know who you are,

2014
01:34:00.470 --> 01:34:03.289
<v Speaker 3>and proceeded to tell him about the violation. And Lombardo said,

2015
01:34:03.630 --> 01:34:07.130
<v Speaker 3>come on, man. And then the cop let him go.

2016
01:34:08.220 --> 01:34:11.060
<v Speaker 3>The president of the Las Vegas Police Union said Lombardo

2017
01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>did not demand special treatment per se, but just identified himself.

2018
01:34:15.460 --> 01:34:18.180
<v Speaker 3>Do you buy that? And did you see that there

2019
01:34:18.189 --> 01:34:20.840
<v Speaker 3>was a theater, a movie theater that had a special

2020
01:34:20.880 --> 01:34:22.300
<v Speaker 3>where you could get out of paying for a movie

2021
01:34:22.319 --> 01:34:24.800
<v Speaker 3>ticket by saying, I'm Joe Lombardo? That was a solid

2022
01:34:24.819 --> 01:34:25.239
<v Speaker 3>special there.

2023
01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.260
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, yes. A couple of questions there. The first

2024
01:34:29.279 --> 01:34:32.699
<v Speaker 4>of which is, no, I don't buy the president of

2025
01:34:32.760 --> 01:34:36.439
<v Speaker 4>the union's statement there. Joe Lombardo was absolute. And people

2026
01:34:36.460 --> 01:34:38.260
<v Speaker 4>can watch this for themselves, right? They can make their

2027
01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:40.760
<v Speaker 4>own judgment. And I think most folks I speak to, 99.9%

2028
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:44.560
<v Speaker 4>of these folks recognize that Joe Lombardo dropped his name

2029
01:34:45.000 --> 01:34:48.479
<v Speaker 4>in order to try to avoid a consequence. All right.

2030
01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:51.000
<v Speaker 4>The guy couldn't finish his sentence. The cop couldn't finish

2031
01:34:51.039 --> 01:34:52.420
<v Speaker 4>his sentence, telling him why he was being pulled over

2032
01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:55.100
<v Speaker 4>before he said, I'm Joe Lombardo. And then was told

2033
01:34:55.140 --> 01:34:58.359
<v Speaker 4>you ran a red light. People are getting we have,

2034
01:34:58.899 --> 01:35:01.170
<v Speaker 4>you know, very bad accidents in Nevada right now. Our

2035
01:35:01.210 --> 01:35:03.329
<v Speaker 4>insurance rates continue to rise because of these types of things.

2036
01:35:03.369 --> 01:35:05.550
<v Speaker 4>He ran a red light. That's why he was being stopped.

2037
01:35:05.590 --> 01:35:06.430
<v Speaker 4>And he says, come on, man.

2038
01:35:06.449 --> 01:35:06.909
<v Speaker 1>All right.

2039
01:35:07.270 --> 01:35:09.050
<v Speaker 4>And the cop let him go. It was in the

2040
01:35:09.090 --> 01:35:11.920
<v Speaker 4>cop's discretion. I'm not suggesting the cop did something bad.

2041
01:35:11.979 --> 01:35:14.220
<v Speaker 4>But what I do know is that Lombardo intimidated the

2042
01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:17.199
<v Speaker 4>young man. Of course. And utilized his name to do that.

2043
01:35:18.140 --> 01:35:20.680
<v Speaker 4>And look, that's what we saw on camera. Imagine how

2044
01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:23.649
<v Speaker 4>this man acts when no one's actually being able to

2045
01:35:23.689 --> 01:35:27.130
<v Speaker 4>gauge how he's interacting with other folks. Right. We can't

2046
01:35:27.149 --> 01:35:29.909
<v Speaker 4>trust him. He already thinks that he's above everybody, as

2047
01:35:29.930 --> 01:35:31.810
<v Speaker 4>you can tell by the way he interacts with him.

2048
01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:34.979
<v Speaker 4>We also know how he feels about Nevadans, generally speaking.

2049
01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:41.300
<v Speaker 4>We have one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation.

2050
01:35:41.460 --> 01:35:46.090
<v Speaker 4>Under his entire three-year, eight-month tenure, we've had the highest

2051
01:35:46.489 --> 01:35:48.609
<v Speaker 4>or one of the highest unemployment rates his entire tenure.

2052
01:35:48.869 --> 01:35:51.149
<v Speaker 4>It's higher now than it was when he took office.

2053
01:35:51.789 --> 01:35:53.970
<v Speaker 4>But he has a theory for that. He says it's

2054
01:35:53.989 --> 01:35:56.550
<v Speaker 4>because people are lazy and they don't want to work.

2055
01:35:57.220 --> 01:35:59.449
<v Speaker 4>And they'd rather depend upon the government. instead of taking

2056
01:35:59.489 --> 01:36:01.590
<v Speaker 4>a job that's available to them. That's what he says.

2057
01:36:01.789 --> 01:36:05.939
<v Speaker 4>That's how he thinks about the people who he supposedly represents, right? And,

2058
01:36:06.180 --> 01:36:07.739
<v Speaker 4>you know, he also says that if you have a

2059
01:36:07.779 --> 01:36:10.920
<v Speaker 4>problem with the government and you decide to protest, you

2060
01:36:10.939 --> 01:36:14.159
<v Speaker 4>must be getting paid, right? Because really, truly, you can't

2061
01:36:14.180 --> 01:36:15.539
<v Speaker 4>have an objection. Sounds familiar, Mr.

2062
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:15.819
<v Speaker 1>Trump.

2063
01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:18.539
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, exactly, yeah. And, you know, the last thing I'll say,

2064
01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:19.510
<v Speaker 4>and I'm going to give you the mic back, is,

2065
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:21.539
<v Speaker 4>you know, and by the way, if you are protesting

2066
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:23.699
<v Speaker 4>because you disagree with something I say, I got two

2067
01:36:23.739 --> 01:36:28.520
<v Speaker 4>words for you. F you. Those are his words out

2068
01:36:28.539 --> 01:36:31.699
<v Speaker 4>of his mouth about the people he represents, right? And

2069
01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:34.600
<v Speaker 4>so him abusing his authority is yet another example of

2070
01:36:34.899 --> 01:36:38.449
<v Speaker 4>him just thinking he's better, different, set apart, and not

2071
01:36:38.510 --> 01:36:41.649
<v Speaker 4>representing the working class members of our state and instead

2072
01:36:41.670 --> 01:36:44.949
<v Speaker 4>aligning himself with his billionaire friends, his corporations, and looking

2073
01:36:44.970 --> 01:36:45.529
<v Speaker 4>out for himself.

2074
01:36:45.890 --> 01:36:47.329
<v Speaker 1>He's got a lot of bad quotes out there.

2075
01:36:47.409 --> 01:36:48.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely. And by the way, we're not going to

2076
01:36:48.810 --> 01:36:51.279
<v Speaker 4>let folks forget. So look, I.

2077
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Mean, you've talked about a lot of the ways that

2078
01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:56.750
<v Speaker 3>he's doing the bidding for corporate America. No surprise then

2079
01:36:56.869 --> 01:36:59.210
<v Speaker 3>that he is sitting on a ton of cash, his campaign.

2080
01:36:59.930 --> 01:37:02.760
<v Speaker 3>His campaign account, his super PAC, they've got tens of

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<v Speaker 3>millions of dollars on hand. How do you combat that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, this race is always going to be about

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<v Speaker 4>the money versus the many. 100%. There's no way we

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<v Speaker 4>can compete with his billionaire friends who give him literally

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<v Speaker 4>a million dollars a pop into a PAC. Last quarter,

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01:37:18.979 --> 01:37:21.069
<v Speaker 4>my PAC raised a little over a million dollars. His

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<v Speaker 4>PAC raised $ 13 million. In a quarter? From like six

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<v Speaker 4>different donors.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>You understand?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Rich people. Rich people. Dropping in people who own data centers, right?

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<v Speaker 4>People who donated flock cameras. Now, these are people who

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<v Speaker 4>are supporting him as he unhurls $ 17 million of negative

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01:37:39.750 --> 01:37:41.760
<v Speaker 4>ads against me, which, by the way, haven't really moved

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<v Speaker 4>the needle. We are in a tie ballgame right now

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<v Speaker 4>within a margin of error. From every objective polling out there,

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<v Speaker 4>you take away the Democratic polls and the Republican polls

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<v Speaker 4>and look at the objective polling, it's either a margin

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<v Speaker 4>of error race or or a tie ball game. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's notwithstanding him spending $ 17 million of negative money against me.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're going to win because we have many on

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<v Speaker 4>our side. We have to continue to get the word

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<v Speaker 4>out to be sure we need money. And I would

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<v Speaker 4>encourage your people to go to Ford, FordNevada.com and check

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<v Speaker 4>us out because that is going to be important. We're

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<v Speaker 4>on TV, but we need people to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>spread the word, get folks out to register and to

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<v Speaker 4>actually show up to vote.

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<v Speaker 3>These flock cameras, man, these are, these things are disconcerting.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad there's getting a lot of attention these days.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>It feels like we're building our own little Chinese-style police state.

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<v Speaker 1>It's scary.

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<v Speaker 4>It's scary. And again, being responsive means being— your ear

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<v Speaker 4>to the ground. And I have learned now that folks

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<v Speaker 4>have concerns with these things. And I suggest in my

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<v Speaker 4>state that we stop using them until the legislature can

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<v Speaker 4>chime in on some privacy issues.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be good. Final question for you. You

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<v Speaker 3>got an undergraduate degree at Texas A & M and

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<v Speaker 3>then some postgraduate degrees at Ohio State. Aggies play the Buckeyes.

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01:38:49.899 --> 01:38:50.930
<v Speaker 3>Who are you rooting for?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a win-win for me, man. It's a win-win.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a win-win.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's what happened. I didn't know. So one time they

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01:38:59.529 --> 01:39:01.569
<v Speaker 4>did play each other. I want to say it was

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<v Speaker 4>a Sugar Bowl, 1999 or so. I was at Ohio State.

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<v Speaker 4>My brother-in-law played football for Texas A & M. So

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<v Speaker 4>they kind of had the edge because he was my brother-in-law,

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<v Speaker 4>but I didn't know. But I sat there and I

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01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:13.399
<v Speaker 4>watched the game, and I just wanted to see which

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<v Speaker 4>way my body went as good things happened. And I

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<v Speaker 4>found myself saying, yes. And it was an Aggie play.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm going to support my Aggies over my Buckeyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the Buckeyes win all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, man. Ain't nothing wrong with winning. All I

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01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:27.260
<v Speaker 4>do is win, win, win. Come on, baby.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you feeling about college football in the NIL era?

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<v Speaker 1>Have we gotten it right so far?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if we've gotten it right. But I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>I've always had the opinion that we should be paying

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<v Speaker 4>our student athletes.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 4>I actually represented a basketball player who, in my estimation,

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01:39:42.149 --> 01:39:43.609
<v Speaker 4>got the short end of the stick back in the day.

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<v Speaker 4>This was early 2000s. I just have a hard time,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, accepting that we have these old grown men

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<v Speaker 4>who are, you know, utilizing their influence on these young,

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01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:57.340
<v Speaker 4>impressionable teenagers, getting their careers ruined early on because they're

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01:39:57.359 --> 01:39:59.380
<v Speaker 4>giving them extra benefits while they get to go in

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<v Speaker 4>and coach and make, you know, million dollar contracts, go

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<v Speaker 4>to another institution.

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<v Speaker 3>That's played half the time. The coach is like the

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<v Speaker 3>highest paid state employee.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Tens of millions of dollars a year and they couldn't pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I'm totally in favor of players getting paid. I

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<v Speaker 3>do wonder if, There's going to be a course correction.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know Ted Cruz and Maria Cantwell are

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<v Speaker 3>trying to work on something in the U.S. Senate right

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<v Speaker 3>now to try to reform the whole process. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if it's—it seems like it's stuck at the moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that would just reduce the number of times you

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<v Speaker 3>could hit the transfer portal, maybe find some way to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of even out some of the funding, but who knows?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, to your point. I don't think we have

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<v Speaker 4>it right yet, but I think— You know, we should

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<v Speaker 4>be paying our players. Let's figure out a way to

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<v Speaker 4>get it done right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Attorney General Ford, thank you so much for doing

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<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for being here.

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<v Speaker 4>I give you an offer, though.

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<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 4>I have to offer you something.

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<v Speaker 1>Please.

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<v Speaker 4>You see, I saw you had my friend Rob Sand

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01:40:52.819 --> 01:40:56.199
<v Speaker 4>on recently. And he offered you to be, you know,

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01:40:56.359 --> 01:40:57.659
<v Speaker 4>to look at the Constitution and see if you could

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01:40:57.680 --> 01:40:58.420
<v Speaker 4>be governor for a day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wanted to do like a Dave thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, here's the deal. So he offered you governor for

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<v Speaker 4>the day for a day if you could pass as

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<v Speaker 4>his body double, right? Okay, yeah. If you can pass

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01:41:05.630 --> 01:41:08.180
<v Speaker 4>as my body double— You can have it, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen, I really appreciate that offer. I would love like one,

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01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.949
<v Speaker 3>you know, get out of jail free card for a

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01:41:15.970 --> 01:41:17.770
<v Speaker 3>trip to Vegas coming up. So if we can make

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01:41:17.789 --> 01:41:18.130
<v Speaker 3>that happen.

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<v Speaker 4>I always tell my friends, come to Vegas, but don't

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01:41:20.050 --> 01:41:20.789
<v Speaker 4>make me your first call.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you must have a lot of people being like, hey,

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01:41:23.770 --> 01:41:25.729
<v Speaker 3>I'm making a trip. Can I get your cell? No, no,

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01:41:25.750 --> 01:41:28.270
<v Speaker 3>you cannot. Well, look, thank you again for doing the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Good luck in the selection. We need you to win

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01:41:30.539 --> 01:41:30.819
<v Speaker 1>this thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, man. Appreciate you.

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<v Speaker 1>That's our show for today. Thanks to Aaron Ford for

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<v Speaker 1>coming on. Dan and I will be back with a

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<v Speaker 1>new show on Friday.