1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Power is a strange currency. It doesn't need a gun 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:04,759 when it already owns your secrets. 3 00:00:04,839 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: Wow, that is that is quite the hook to start. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,279 Speaker 1: Us off right. Welcome to thrilling Threads. I am so 5 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:14,519 glad you're here with us today because we are stepping 6 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:20,000 into some incredibly murky and honestly deeply unsettling waters. Absolutely, 7 00:00:20,039 --> 00:00:22,879 But before we get completely submerged in all that, let 8 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:25,239 me lay out exactly what we are looking at today. 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,120 We are doing a deep dive into an incredibly gripping 10 00:00:30,239 --> 00:00:34,560 and frankly provocative piece of media from the YouTube channel 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:35,960 Francis Wines. 12 00:00:35,679 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Which is such an interesting source for this, it really is. 13 00:00:38,399 --> 00:00:41,679 Speaker 1: The video is titled the Epstein Files are at a Distraction. 14 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,039 Here's what they were hiding. And before we even get 15 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:46,759 into the heavy stuff, I have to point out something 16 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:48,840 that genuinely made me laugh out loud while. 17 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: Watching this, And I think I know exactly what you're 18 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,600 going to say. 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:54,039 Speaker 1: You probably do right in the middle of unraveling one 20 00:00:54,079 --> 00:00:57,439 of the most complex, sinister conspiracies of the twenty first century, 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,520 the creator just seamlessly d plug for their own wine 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:04,799 right out of nowhere, completely out of nowhere. He goes, 23 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:08,799 I gotta tell you I love the wine. I really do, 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,359 Frenzi's wine. It's good people. 25 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,879 Speaker 2: It's just it's the most unexpected pivot I have ever 26 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,359 seen in an investigative piece. 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to respect the hustle Onnestary, you 28 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:18,599 really do. 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: But jokes aside, the core thesis of this video is 30 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,079 entirely serious, and it is something that completely reframes how 31 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:28,560 we look at this entire asada. 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,799 Speaker 1: It really does, because for years the entire global conversation 33 00:01:32,879 --> 00:01:36,400 has been hyper fixated on one singular event, the end 34 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,840 of the timeline exactly. 35 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: The public has been trapped in this endless loon of 36 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,200 debetting the exact mechanics of what happened in that Manhattan 37 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,480 jail cell in August of twenty nineteen. Herring right, it's 38 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:49,560 a red herring. The argument presented here, and it's argued 39 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,799 quite persuasively, is that this fixation is entirely by design. 40 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,879 By focusing on the end of the story, we are 41 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,239 collectively ignoring the beginning in the middle. 42 00:01:56,959 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: Which are infinitely more terrifying, so much more terrifying. So 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,200 the mission of this deep dive today is to shake 44 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,840 off that distraction. We are going to ignore the red herring. 45 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,680 We're going to ask the real questions that the Internet 46 00:02:09,719 --> 00:02:11,360 seems to have completely forgotten about. 47 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:12,199 Speaker 2: Who built him? 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: Yes, who built Jeffrey Epstein? Why was he untouchable for decades? 49 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:20,360 How did he manage to glide through the highest echelons 50 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,039 of society without a scratch? 51 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,159 Speaker 2: And most importantly, the tapes, the tapes. Where are the 52 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:28,879 thousands of blackmail tapes that the FBI literally drilled out 53 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,919 of his safe? And to really understand this, you have 54 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,439 to look at this not as a tabloid scandal, which 55 00:02:34,479 --> 00:02:37,759 is how it's typically presented in the mainstream. We cannot 56 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,800 look at this as just a story about a wealthy, 57 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,840 greedy man with dark proclivities. 58 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: Right, We have to look bigger. 59 00:02:43,199 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: We have to analyze this as a masterclass in social engineering, 60 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,240 intelligence gathering, and global leverage. If you look at the 61 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:52,840 architecture of what was built here, it bears all the 62 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:56,919 hallmarks of a highly sophisticated intelligence operation. So to anyone 63 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,599 listening right now, you're going to want to buckle up 64 00:02:58,599 --> 00:02:59,120 for this one. 65 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,199 Speaker 1: Okay, unpacked this from the very beginning because the origin 66 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,840 story we all been sold is impossible, and I mean 67 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 impossible in the most literal sense of the word. Let's 68 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,120 look at the blueprint of how you build a quote 69 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:13,439 unquote financial titan. 70 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,599 Speaker 2: The background just doesn't add up. 71 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Not at all. He was a college dropout. He came 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:20,560 from a working class family in Coney Island. He had 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:25,039 no prestigious pedigree, no family wealth, no Ivy League degree, 74 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,120 and yet in nineteen seventy four he somehow lands a 75 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,199 job teaching mathematics at the Dalton School, Which is why 76 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,879 you and I both know Dalton isn't just some neighborhood 77 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:36,560 public school. 78 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:39,639 Speaker 2: Far from it. In the nineteen seventies, just like today, 79 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,560 Dalton was the absolute gateway for the Manhattan elite. It's 80 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:47,199 where the billionaires, the media moguls, the politicians and their children. 81 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:48,159 Speaker 1: So how does he get in? 82 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,319 Speaker 2: Getting a teaching position there was highly competitive. You needed 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,080 serious credentials, usually an advanced degree from a top tier university. 84 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,080 You needed a background that justified your presence in front 85 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,000 of the children of the global ruling class. 86 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: And he had none of that. 87 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: None of it. He had charm, and he was apparently 88 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:07,159 good with numbers. But charm and a knack for math 89 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:12,080 do not bypass the stringent vetting processes of elite Manhattan institutions. 90 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,319 Someone had to open that door for him. 91 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: Someone pulled a string exactly. 92 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: But what's even more staggering is what happens next. The 93 00:04:20,439 --> 00:04:22,199 Dalton job is just the waiting room. 94 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: Wait, let's pause there, because bear Stearns wasn't a charity. 95 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:30,319 Fast forward just two years after Dalton, and this same kid, 96 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,600 who again has no degree and no formal financial training, 97 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,720 leaves teaching and becomes a partner at bear Stearns. 98 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 2: Without taking a single test. 99 00:04:37,879 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: He never even passed a basic stockbroker test, and suddenly 100 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,199 he is trusted with multimillion dollar portfolios. The Frenzis Wines 101 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,959 video uses this perfect analogy that I haven't been able 102 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:49,120 to stop thinking about. 103 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:49,959 Speaker 2: The Uber analogy. 104 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,199 Speaker 1: Yes, they say, it's like Uber hiring a guy who 105 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,959 has never even taken a driving test and then just 106 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,920 casually handing in the keys to their entire global fleet 107 00:04:57,959 --> 00:04:58,360 of cars. 108 00:04:58,439 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: It just doesn't happen. 109 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: Does not happen without serious leverage or a massive backer. 110 00:05:04,399 --> 00:05:06,800 You do not just walk into a ruthless Wall Street 111 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,680 bank in the nineteen seventies and make partner in two 112 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,680 years without a massive inexplicable tailwind pushing you forward. 113 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 2: And that tailwind is the central mystery of his entire existence. 114 00:05:18,079 --> 00:05:20,920 Here's the craziest part. Nobody can actually trace where his 115 00:05:20,959 --> 00:05:21,959 seed money came. 116 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:24,319 Speaker 1: From, right, the whole mysterious financier thing. 117 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: The standard narrative is that he was a currency trading financier, 118 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,879 But if you dig into the mechanics of his firm, 119 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,199 he had these crazy opaque rules so that no one 120 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,319 could actually invest with him in a normal way. It 121 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:37,480 was a complete facade. 122 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: So what was he actually doing. 123 00:05:39,079 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 2: What he was actually doing was finding new, highly complex 124 00:05:42,519 --> 00:05:46,199 ways for the ultra wealthy to dodge taxes. He wasn't 125 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,279 selling brilliant business plans or generating immense market returns. He 126 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:54,199 was selling tax evasion strategies. That was his entry point 127 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:55,399 into the lives of the rich. 128 00:05:55,519 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: He wasn't selling spreadsheets. He was selling status. He figured 129 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,079 out the cheat code, didn't he? 130 00:06:00,079 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: He absolutely did. 131 00:06:01,439 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: If you can save a billionaire one hundred million dollars 132 00:06:04,319 --> 00:06:07,120 in taxes, they're going to invite you to dinner. And 133 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,360 what did he do with those dinners? He engineered them perfectly. 134 00:06:10,759 --> 00:06:14,439 He would pack at dinner table with Nobel Prize winning brains, 135 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,680 elite academics, people from the United Nations. 136 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:18,439 Speaker 2: The intellectual elite. 137 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 1: Right then he'd sprinkle in a former US president for flavor. 138 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:25,040 Suddenly every billionaire in the room is begging for his 139 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,519 phone number, not because he's a great investor, but because 140 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,040 he is the ultimate gatekeeper to this impossible room of 141 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:33,839 cultural and political royalty. 142 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: It's pure weaponized social engineering. He understood a fundamental psychological 143 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,720 truth about the ultrawealthy. They can buy almost anything, but 144 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,120 what they constantly crave is exclusive access and intellectual validation. 145 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: They want to feel smart. 146 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,399 Speaker 2: Exactly by surrounding himself with brilliant, powerful people, he created 147 00:06:51,439 --> 00:06:54,519 a blinding halo effect. But this brings us to one 148 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,920 of the most chilling observations in the entire. 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:58,519 Speaker 1: Discussion, the Eric Weinstein interview. 150 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: Yes, the video features commentary from the economist Eric Weinstein. 151 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,240 He actually had a meeting with Epstein, and he said 152 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,000 that he left that room absolutely convinced that Epstein was 153 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,079 not a prodigy. In fact, he wasn't even an authentic person. 154 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,519 Speaker 1: He called him a construct. A construct that is such 155 00:07:16,519 --> 00:07:20,759 a heavy dystopian phrase. A construct, a fake human being 156 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,279 created by someone else. 157 00:07:22,439 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: Weinstein's internal meter was just screaming that nothing about this 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,839 man made sense. When we talk about a construct in 159 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:32,800 an intelligence or operational context, we are talking about an 160 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,920 individual whose entire persona, wealth, and status have been artificially 161 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:40,000 inflated and curated by an external entity. 162 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Meeting someone else supplied the parts exactly. 163 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: Someone gave him the Dalton job to get him near 164 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,800 the elite. Someone placed him at bear Stearns to give 165 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:50,079 him financial credibility. Someone handed him the initial capital to 166 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,839 look like a billionaire so he could attract actual billionaires. 167 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: It's all just smoke and mirrors. 168 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,399 Speaker 2: His wealth was like gold beaten into gold foil, spread 169 00:07:58,439 --> 00:08:01,839 incredibly thin to cover ast area and give the illusion 170 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,519 of a solid gold life. 171 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: So if Weinstein is right and Epstein is just a construct, 172 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,360 a fake human being, the immediate question becomes who bought 173 00:08:11,399 --> 00:08:13,720 the parts? Who funded the construction? 174 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:15,279 Speaker 2: Right, someone has to pay for it. 175 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: Because every construct needs a massive infusion of capital and 176 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,040 credibility to actually get off the ground, and that leads 177 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,240 us directly to the doorstep of a retail billionaire name 178 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,639 Les Wexner. 179 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:26,839 Speaker 2: A massive player. 180 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,759 Speaker 1: The Titan behind Victoria's secret bath and body works, the Limited, 181 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,960 a massive fortune five hundred powerhouse. In nineteen eighty seven, 182 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,440 Wester did something that defies all conventional business logic. He 183 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,480 gave Jeffrey Epstein, this newcomer, this guy with no verifiable 184 00:08:41,519 --> 00:08:44,120 financial empire of his own, total power of attorney over 185 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:44,759 his billions of. 186 00:08:44,759 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: Dollars, total legal control of his assets. Let's really think 187 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,600 about the absurdity of this. A power of attorney isn't 188 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:51,879 just a casual endorsement. 189 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 1: It's the keys to the kingdom. 190 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: It means Epstein could legally sign Wexner's name by property, 191 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,799 move millions of dollars, and make binding corporate decisions without 192 00:09:00,879 --> 00:09:04,639 ever asking for permission. Wexner was famously known as a micromanager. 193 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,399 He obsessed over the tiniest details of his retail empire, 194 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:11,720 down to the exact shade of panticolors and Victoria's secret. 195 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:13,639 Speaker 1: But he just hands it all over. 196 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,519 Speaker 2: He was not a man who casually relinquished control. Yet 197 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,519 he hands the keys to his entire kingdom to a 198 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,679 guy who didn't even have a college degree. 199 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: And what did that piece of paper by Epstein? Absolutely everything? 200 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,080 It bought him a forty million dollar Manhattan mansion. It 201 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,120 bought him Gulf Stream jets on standby. But most importantly, 202 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:34,120 it brought him impenetrable, unquestionable credibility. 203 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: The ultimate vouch. 204 00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,919 Speaker 1: When a fortune five hundred owner of Weckner's caliber vouches 205 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,399 for you to that extreme degree, the doors of the 206 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,600 global elite don't just open, they are taken off their hinges. 207 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:47,639 Speaker 2: But why, that is the question. Why would a micromanager 208 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,840 billionaire hand over his checkbook? 209 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: The video brings in this incredible interview with journalist Nick Bryant, 210 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,320 who has dug deeper into this exact question than almost anyone, 211 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,639 and his conclusion is that Les Wexner was unequivocally being blackmailed. 212 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:06,480 Blackmail private investigators alleged that Epstein had filmed an affair 213 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,879 between Wexner and a model and then used that tape 214 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,799 as leverage for lifelong control. 215 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,519 Speaker 2: Now Wexner completely denies this, of course he. 216 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,159 Speaker 1: Does, but the paper trail speaks volumes. The documents show 217 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,480 that Wexner never ever revoked that power of attorney from Epstein, 218 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:25,080 even as his reputation began to curdle in elite circles. 219 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the secondary layer to this Wexner connection. 220 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:33,080 This completely shatters the idea that Epstein was operating alone 221 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:33,639 as some. 222 00:10:33,879 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: Rogue grifter the mob connection. 223 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: There are alleged connections between Wexner's business empire and the 224 00:10:39,399 --> 00:10:43,279 Genovese crime family, specifically through a man named Frank Walsh 225 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,080 who ran a trucking company that handled the hauling for 226 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,440 Wexner's clothing lines. 227 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:48,879 Speaker 1: And Walsh wasn't just a trucker. 228 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: Walsh was widely identified as a Genoviz associate. Now, if 229 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,080 we connect this to the bigger picture, the Genoviz family 230 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,399 was one of the five families that absolutely dominated organized 231 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,320 crime and the surrounding areas. 232 00:11:01,519 --> 00:11:04,159 Speaker 1: You do not mess with them. If you disrupt their money, 233 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,639 you end up in the trunk of a car at 234 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:06,559 JFK Airport. 235 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 2: Precisely, the logic presented here is ironclad. If Jeffrey Epstein, 236 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,799 operating as a lone wolf con man, tried to blackmail 237 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,240 a billionaire who had deep functional ties to the Genevese 238 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,960 crime family, his life expectancy would be measured in hours. 239 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: It wouldn't last the weekend. 240 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: Whoever the blackmail mark is, they have to know that 241 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,919 if they touch Epstein there is going to be massive, 242 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:29,399 overwhelming retribution. 243 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:31,759 Speaker 1: If he was just a rogue guy with a camera. 244 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,240 The mob would have made him disappear in the East 245 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:38,600 River before lunch, but he didn't disappear. He thrived, which 246 00:11:38,639 --> 00:11:42,480 proves he had a shield, a massive, highly protected apparatus 247 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,440 backing him that made even the New York mafia back down. 248 00:11:45,519 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 2: You cannot be a successful blackmail artist if people know 249 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,799 you're a blackmail artist, unless the entity standing behind you 250 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:54,519 is infinitely scarier than the people you were extorting. 251 00:11:54,159 --> 00:11:58,759 Speaker 1: In that infrastructure of blackmail requires a dedicated facility. Once 252 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:01,039 he had the cash and the credit ability secured through 253 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,120 Wexner and his high society networking, he needed a physical 254 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:06,960 location to manufacture his product. 255 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,279 Speaker 2: He needed a pipeline, and that facility. 256 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: Was Little Saint James the Pleasure Palace. The way Franz 257 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,960 easy Wines describes this island as just haunting. From the outside, 258 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,679 it looks like a high end resort brochure. You've got 259 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,799 the crystal clear turquoise water, the blue striped temple structures, 260 00:12:23,879 --> 00:12:26,200 the staff walking around in crisp polo shirts. 261 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,159 Speaker 2: It looks idyllic. 262 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,879 Speaker 1: But inside they cite renovation crews who worked on the island. 263 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:34,480 These contractors described mechanical rooms that look like they belonged 264 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,039 to a military bunker, electronic locks on the doors, hitting 265 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:39,919 cameras aimed at every single bed. 266 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,799 Speaker 2: Wired like a CIA safehouse. 267 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: The video literally says that, yeah, every chandelier was hiding 268 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:45,720 a lens. 269 00:12:46,159 --> 00:12:48,799 Speaker 2: The logistics of the island are crucial to understanding the 270 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,919 operational security of the enterprise. The US Virgin Island's Attorney General, 271 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,840 Denise George, laid out how Epstein owned the entire supply chain. 272 00:12:56,879 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: He owned everything. 273 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 2: He owned the private island, which was isolated over a 274 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:04,600 mile away from the main island of Saint Thomas. He 275 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,679 owned the private jet that flew into the airport. He 276 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:10,879 owned the helicopter and the launch boats that transported the 277 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,279 victims and the guests. 278 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:13,279 Speaker 1: There's no way out. 279 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 2: The terrifying reality that George points out is that once 280 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,200 you were on that island, there is no taxi to 281 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,519 wave down. You can't just walk out the front door 282 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:26,120 and call an uber. You are entirely completely within a 283 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,120 controlled environment. 284 00:13:27,879 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: And the way he fed that environment is just sickening. Yeah, 285 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,679 it wasn't just him randomly finding victims. He engineered a 286 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:38,440 highly efficient self sustaining factory. You and I know the 287 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,440 basics of the trafficking charges, but the mechanics of the 288 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,480 pyramid scheme are what truly tiabolical. 289 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: It was a machine. 290 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: Vulnerable teenagers were brought in pad two hundred dollars for 291 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,399 a quote unquote massage and then told they would get 292 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:53,000 another two hundred dollars for every new girl they recruited. 293 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,639 He weaponized their own poverty and vulnerability, turning victims into recruiters. 294 00:13:57,759 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: He never even had to leave the house. 295 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: The pie brought the targets directly to his door. 296 00:14:02,279 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 2: It's deeply disturbing on a human level. But this raises 297 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,360 an important question, one that forces us to look past 298 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,759 the tabloid headlines. What was the actual end product of this. 299 00:14:12,759 --> 00:14:15,279 Speaker 1: Factory, because it wasn't just sexual gratification. 300 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,519 Speaker 2: Epstein was undoubtedly a monster, but through his perversion, he 301 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,559 was collecting something far more valuable than physical pleasure. He 302 00:14:24,679 --> 00:14:28,240 was collecting information. He was manufacturing leverage. 303 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: Yes, rich people can get sex anywhere in the world, 304 00:14:31,879 --> 00:14:34,759 but they cannot necessarily get people to shut up afterwards. 305 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Epstein solved that problem with the hidden cameras. 306 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: Exactly, we have to elevate our understanding of what was 307 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:43,200 happening here We think of leverage as a weapon you use, 308 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,840 but the ultimate leverage is a weapon you never. 309 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:47,679 Speaker 1: Have to use, utually assured destruction. 310 00:14:47,879 --> 00:14:50,399 Speaker 2: The product was compromise. If you invite a fortune one 311 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,159 hundred CEO or a renowned physicist or a member of 312 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,080 a royal family to your private, completely controlled island, and 313 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,320 you record them engaging in illegal, horrific acts with minors, 314 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,759 you own them forever. 315 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:03,679 Speaker 1: It's akin to a gang initiation. 316 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 2: You have to prove your loyalty by doing something unforgivable, 317 00:15:07,559 --> 00:15:10,320 and then they hold that control over you when they 318 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:13,080 raise you up the ranks of society, they have the 319 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,480 blackmail to ensure you never step out of line. 320 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: So the insight here isn't just that he was a spine. 321 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 2: Now, the insight is that blackmail is the actual reserve 322 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,679 currency of the global elite. It's the nuclear deterrent of 323 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:28,480 high society. The island was a factory, and the product 324 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,279 was the ability to bend the most powerful people on 325 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,519 earth to the will of whoever owned those hard. 326 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: Drives, which is just a chilling thought. It means the 327 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,960 real currency driving global decisions might not be money. It 328 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:43,080 might be mutually assured destruction. And the fact that this 329 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:46,840 operation ran completely unhindered for decades brings us to the 330 00:15:46,879 --> 00:15:51,360 shield of invincibility that surrounded him because people knew, local police, 331 00:15:51,559 --> 00:15:54,240 federal agencies, international banks, they all knew. They all hit 332 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,600 the tripwire at some point, but someone somewhere kept cutting 333 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,320 the fuse. Let's start with the glaring and of Ghislaine Maxwell. 334 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:02,799 Speaker 2: The enforcer. 335 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,919 Speaker 1: She is often called the socialite turned enforcer. She wasn't 336 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:10,120 just a bystander pouring drinks at these parties. Court testimony 337 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:15,360 shows she handled everything logistics, recruitment, room assignments, even confiscating passports. 338 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:18,399 Speaker 2: She was the operational manager of the factory. And there 339 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,720 is a glaring legal contradiction in her case that should 340 00:16:21,799 --> 00:16:24,879 infuriate anyone who understands how the justice system is supposed 341 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:25,240 to work. 342 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: It's absurd. 343 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two, Gislaine Maxwell was sentenced to twenty 344 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:32,559 years in federal prison for child trafficking, but she was 345 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,759 indicted and convicted on a conspiracy charge. A conspiracy, by 346 00:16:36,799 --> 00:16:40,240 its very legal definition, requires an agreement between two or 347 00:16:40,279 --> 00:16:42,559 more people to commit a crime. Two or more people, 348 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,440 yet not a single client, not one of the powerful 349 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,440 men who flew on those planes visited that island and 350 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,399 partook in the abuse. Joined her on the defendant's bench. 351 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:54,480 She was convicted of a massive, multi decade traffic and 352 00:16:54,519 --> 00:16:58,200 conspiracy with absolutely no named co conspirators. 353 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: It's the only conspiracy and the history of the world 354 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,759 carried out by one person. Apparently, it's an absolute insult 355 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:08,279 to the public's intelligence. But that protection goes back way 356 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:11,359 further than twenty twenty two. Let's talk about the two 357 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,000 thousand and six Palm Beach Pass, because this is where 358 00:17:14,039 --> 00:17:16,359 the invincibility becomes undeniably obvious. 359 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: At least actually did their jobs there. 360 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: They did. The Palm Beach Police investigated, they interviewed victims, 361 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:26,000 and they delivered a massive fifty three page probable cause 362 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,039 dossier to the FBI. It is sworn victim interviews. It 363 00:17:30,079 --> 00:17:33,480 had phone logs linking him to underage girls. It even 364 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,359 had DNA evidence pulled directly from his trash cans. 365 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 2: It was a slam dunk case. 366 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: Any normal citizen facing that mountain of forensic and testimonial 367 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,720 evidence is going to prison for the rest of their 368 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:44,359 natural life. 369 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 2: The conviction rate for federal prosecutors is astronomically high when 370 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:49,640 they have that much evidence. But what did the federal 371 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,240 prosecutors do under the leadership of US Attorney alex Acosta. 372 00:17:53,279 --> 00:17:56,640 They struck an unprecedented non prosecution agreement. 373 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,599 Speaker 1: A total sweetheart deal. 374 00:17:57,759 --> 00:18:01,599 Speaker 2: Epstein pleaded to minor state charges. He served just thirteen 375 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,720 months in a private county wing and calling it serving 376 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:07,400 time is generous. He had a daily work release that 377 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,720 allowed him to leave the jail and go to his 378 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,200 luxurious office for up to twelve hours a day, six 379 00:18:13,279 --> 00:18:13,839 days a week. 380 00:18:14,039 --> 00:18:15,799 Speaker 1: A low level book, he gets more time than that, 381 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,559 where someone caught selling. 382 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:21,319 Speaker 2: Weed significantly more hard time. And worst of all, the 383 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:26,519 deal explicitly granted immunity to any potential co conspirators, whether 384 00:18:26,559 --> 00:18:28,480 they were known or unknown to the. 385 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Government, a blank check of immunity, literally saying, we don't 386 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,839 know who else did this, but whoever they are, they're 387 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,000 off the hook. But here is the smoking gun quote 388 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,720 from the Frenzy Wines deep dive. Years later, when alex 389 00:18:40,759 --> 00:18:43,599 Acosta was being vetted for a cabinet position as Secretary 390 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:46,400 of Labor under the Trump administration, he was asked by 391 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,440 the transition team why on earth he gave Epstein such 392 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,559 a sweetheart. 393 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: Deal, and his response is everything. 394 00:18:52,319 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: The CASA's response was that he was told to back 395 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,559 off because efting belonged to intelligence. 396 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 2: Belonged to intelligence. That is not a fraise a season 397 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,759 federal prosecutor uses lightly to excuse a bad plea deal. 398 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:09,359 It's a very specific operational phrase, and it perfectly aligns 399 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,319 with the construct theory we discussed earlier. Right if Epstein 400 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,920 was an asset, whether for US intelligence or Israeli, British 401 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,400 or Saudi intelligence, he would be shielded from domestic law enforcement. 402 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:24,640 The intelligence community operates on an entirely different legal paradigm. 403 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: They don't care about local vice laws. 404 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: Their priority is the protection of the asset and the 405 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,519 continuation of the intelligence gathering. Local vice laws, even horrific ones, 406 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:36,960 are considered secondary to the national security value of the 407 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:38,160 leverage being collected. 408 00:19:38,599 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: And that shield wasn't just used against the police. It 409 00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:44,400 was deployed aggressively against the media and the financial sector too. 410 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,359 We hear this insane story from two thousand and two 411 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:48,400 involving Vanity Fair. 412 00:19:48,519 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: This story is wild. 413 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: The writer named Vicky Ward actually had the whistleblowers on 414 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,000 the record, Maria and Andi Farmer. They were ready to 415 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,880 expose everything. Wardwoard a massive profile exposing the allegations. But 416 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,559 the editor of Vanity Fair at the time, Graydon Carter, killed. 417 00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:03,759 Speaker 2: The story right after a meeting because. 418 00:20:03,519 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: He had a private meeting with Jeffrey Epstein. And what 419 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,759 happened after that Security staff told MPR in New York 420 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:12,880 Magazine that a severed cat's head and a bullet were 421 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:13,920 found at Carter's home. 422 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: Now, Carter has publicly denied that he was intimidated by 423 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,000 the severed cat's head, claiming it didn't influence his editorial decision. 424 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,759 But the optics and the timing are undeniable. 425 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:26,599 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, not a horsehead, a cat's head, 426 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,440 like a bizarre, twisted version of Don Corleone who leaves 427 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,920 a severed cat's head with a bullet. 428 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:33,839 Speaker 2: That is psychological warfare. 429 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: It's cartel level intimidation. 430 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:39,279 Speaker 2: Fortel level intimidation happening in the middle of Manhattan against 431 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,079 the editor of one of the world's most prestigious magazines. 432 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,640 And it worked. The story was killed and Epstein got 433 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,200 another decade of freedom. 434 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: And we see the exact same pattern of systemic complicity 435 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,240 in the global financial sector. Internal compliance memos show that 436 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:58,359 Deutsche Bank classified Epstein as high risk back In twenty fifteen. 437 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: JP Morgan Too, JP Morgan all so had massive internal flags. 438 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:06,039 These compliance departments spotted millions of dollars being routed through 439 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,000 highly suspicious offshore entities. The alerts went all the way 440 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:12,880 up the executive chain, but the regulators found that the 441 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,079 banks actively chose to keep the accounts open until mid 442 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,519 twenty eighteen, and. 443 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: They only closed them because of the press. 444 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,279 Speaker 2: They only finally closed them after the Miami Herald published 445 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:23,359 their massive expose. 446 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: Right, they didn't close the accounts because they suddenly developed 447 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,079 a conscience about the crimes. They closed them because it 448 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:30,440 was becoming a pr nightmare. 449 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: Exactly when you synthesize all of this, when local police 450 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,440 build a fifty three page forensic dossier and are told 451 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,519 by federal prosecutors to stand down, when a global banking 452 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:44,279 institution ignores its own money laundering trip wires for years, 453 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,480 and when a national magazine spikes a fully sourced story 454 00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:49,920 after a mafia style threat. That is not a series 455 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,519 of lucky breaks, No, that is infrastructure. Someone or some 456 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,039 powerful entity was constantly moving the safety net to wherever 457 00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:58,440 Jeffrey Epstein happened. 458 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,319 Speaker 1: To fall, Which brings us to the climate of the 459 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,000 mainstream narrative the moment that broke the Internet. August tenth, 460 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,720 twenty nineteen, Epstein is found unresponsive in his cell at 461 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,559 the Manhattan Metropolitan Correctional Center the MCC. 462 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,559 Speaker 2: This is where the video gets so specific. 463 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: Incredibly personal and specific and a completely shifted my perspective. 464 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,960 The creator of the Frances Wines video actually states that 465 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,720 they spent seven months incarcerated in that exact same facility. 466 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: They know the layout firsthand. 467 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,039 Speaker 1: They know the layout, they know the protocols, and their 468 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,319 takeaway based on firsthand experience in that specific cell block, 469 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,359 is that it is physically impossible to hang oneself there. 470 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 2: The creator outlines a staggering sequence of glitches and protocol 471 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,039 failures that all had to miraculously occur simultaneously for him 472 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:45,480 to die in that cell. Let's look at the timeline. 473 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. 474 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: First, despite an alleged suicide attempt just weeks prior, where 475 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,640 he was found with marks on his neck, he was 476 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,119 taken off suicide watch after only six days. This goes 477 00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,480 entirely against the Bureau of Prisons standard rigid policy for 478 00:22:58,599 --> 00:22:59,880 high profile at risk. 479 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,279 Speaker 1: Inmate Red Flag number one. 480 00:23:01,319 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: He was then transferred to a lower security special housing unit. 481 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,160 He was placed in a cell with a bunk bed, 482 00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:11,519 given standard bed sheets, and crucially, his roommate was randomly 483 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:14,319 transferred out, leaving him completely alone. 484 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,599 Speaker 1: And then the absolute magic trick happens. Both cameras outside 485 00:23:18,599 --> 00:23:21,640 of his cell malfunction at the exact same time. The 486 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,200 prosecutors literally had to tell the court the footage was unusable, 487 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,920 it's too convenient, and where were the guards? You have 488 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,759 the most high profile prisoner on the planet, a guy 489 00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,799 who holds the secrets of presidents and billionaires, and the 490 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:36,480 guards who are supposed to be checking on him every 491 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:38,400 thirty minutes are completely absent. 492 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:42,039 Speaker 2: Both night officers admitted they were shopping online and dozing off. 493 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: They false affaged seventy five separate rounds in the official 494 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,559 log book. They literally ripped pages out of the visitor 495 00:23:48,599 --> 00:23:51,400 log notebook. They later pleaded guilty to felony accounts in 496 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,319 twenty twenty one. The video creator says it point blank, 497 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,400 you sit on the toilet there without them walking back 498 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,920 and forth. Trust me, it's nonsense. 499 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 2: The sheer statistical probability of all those redundant security measures 500 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:07,400 failing simultaneously is what fueled the global skepticism. And then 501 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,759 there's the medical evidence, which is highly contentious but vital 502 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:11,319 to understand. 503 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: Guggle Baden. 504 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: Doctor Michael Baden, a highly respective former New York State pathologist, 505 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,599 was actually present during the autopsy as a private representative 506 00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:23,319 for Epstein's family. Doctor Baden testified that there were multiple 507 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,720 fractures in the hyoid bone and the thyroid cartilage. 508 00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,079 Speaker 1: Let's break that down for everyone listening, because I had 509 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,039 to look this up. The hyoid is this tiny, fragile 510 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,680 U shaped bone high up in your neck, right near 511 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,279 your jaw right Forensically, it almost never breaks when someone 512 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,079 drops to hang themselves because the news typically sits above it, 513 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,400 or the physics of the drop don't impact it directly. 514 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,400 But it does break very frequently when someone's neck is 515 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,440 manually compressed by someone else's hands. 516 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:53,799 Speaker 2: Precisely, from a forensic pathology standpoint, those specific types of 517 00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:57,759 fractures are significantly more consistent with homicidal strangulation than they 518 00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:00,640 are with a self inflicted hanging from a knee position, 519 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,400 which is what the official report claimed. 520 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,039 Speaker 1: Yet the New York City Chief Medical Examiner officially ruled 521 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,799 it a suicide by hanging. 522 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 2: And immediately the internet exploded. Epstein didn't kill himself, became 523 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,160 a global meme, a dominant cultural thread that you saw 524 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,519 on t shirts, coffee mugs, and trending on every social 525 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,880 media platform. It eclipsed everything else in the story. 526 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,799 Speaker 1: But here is where the analysis in the source material 527 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,039 delivers its most crucial paradigm shifting insight. 528 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, debating whether 529 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,279 he was murdered or committed suicide is exactly what the 530 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:35,240 perpetrators want. 531 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: Us to do. It's the ultimate misdirection. The video calls 532 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,480 it a side quest. If you have millions of people 533 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:43,839 arguing over the ten cele strength of a bedsheet, the 534 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,559 exact location in the highwaid bone, and the sleeping habits 535 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:51,039 of two corrupt correctional officers, you successfully divert the entire 536 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:53,200 public's attention away from the actual threat. 537 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:54,559 Speaker 2: You're looking the wrong way. 538 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: The main plot is not how the operator died. The 539 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,880 main plot is who just lost access to the tapes 540 00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:01,799 and who controls that leverage? Right now? 541 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 2: Textbook misdirection. You focus the entire country on a knot 542 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:09,079 in a jail cell, so absolutely no one asks about 543 00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:12,400 the thousands of hours of high definition video evidence sitting 544 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,079 in a vault somewhere. It is a brilliant, terrifying strategy. 545 00:26:16,599 --> 00:26:19,319 Speaker 1: And it forces us to ask the ultimate question, who 546 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,839 was actually pulling the strings of this operation. 547 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,079 Speaker 2: The source outlines two plausible frameworks, both sketched by career 548 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,720 intelligence officers, for what the Epstein machine actually was. Let's 549 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,039 look at thirty one, the state run access operation. 550 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,079 Speaker 1: This theory posits that Epstein was a direct asset of 551 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,279 a state intelligence agency. The most commonly speculated are Masad, 552 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,160 the CIA, or MI six, and the circumstantial evidence for 553 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,920 the Israeli angle is wild. 554 00:26:45,079 --> 00:26:46,279 Speaker 2: Gislane's father, for. 555 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: Instance, Gislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell. He was a massive, 556 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,839 larger than life media baron who died under highly suspicious circumstances, 557 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,480 falling off his yacht while under intense investigation as a 558 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,759 long time Israeli intelligence asset. The apple doesn't fall far 559 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,599 from the tree, right, and there's more. Furthermore, the private 560 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,039 contractors who installed the hidden cameras in Epstein's Manhattan town 561 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,119 house allegedly told reporters they were from an Israeli security agency. 562 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,759 Speaker 2: So let's play this out. If it was a foreign operation, say, 563 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:19,880 Masad gathering blackmail on US senators, defense contractors, and tech CEOs. 564 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,599 The natural assumption is that the CIA would be furious. 565 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,839 Speaker 1: Right. You'd think American intelligence would tear the operation down 566 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,519 the second they found out if foreign power was compromising 567 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:30,440 American leadership. 568 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 2: But the source brings in this really dark, pragmatic logic 569 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,440 from an EXCIA analyst. If a foreign spy agency is 570 00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,319 running a massive blackmail ring on US soil, the CIA's 571 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,799 first instinct isn't moral outrage. It isn't to call the 572 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:46,200 FBI and shut it down. Now. 573 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: Their first instinct is do we already have a copy 574 00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,200 of the hard drives? Wow? 575 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 2: Do we have a cop? Not? How do we stop 576 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,039 this abuse? But how do we get our hands on 577 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:53,519 the weapon? 578 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: It's a purely a moral calculation based entirely on power dynamics. 579 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:01,920 Information is power. If an allied or rival service is 580 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,400 holding leverage over the American power structure, the American intelligence 581 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,920 apparatus doesn't want to destroy the leverage. They want to 582 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,160 acquire it for themselves. 583 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: They want to be able to pull those same strings. 584 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,319 Speaker 1: The source suggests that multiple flags could have been on 585 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:19,480 the play simultaneously. US intelligence may have been aware, perhaps 586 00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:21,920 they were pushed to let it happen, or perhaps they 587 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,079 simply exploited it once they realized it was operational. 588 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: An intelligence agency's primary incentive is to survive, expand its influence, 589 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,559 and control outcomes. Compromise is the high octane fuel for 590 00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:35,160 that growth. 591 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: But then there's theory too, which honestly might be even 592 00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:42,279 scarier to me because it is so purely capitalistic and chaotic. 593 00:28:42,839 --> 00:28:46,640 The free agent, blackmail merchant, the mercenary picture Jeffrey Epstein 594 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,559 not as a loyal spy saluting one flag, but as 595 00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,559 an independent data broker, a mercenary. He is mining human 596 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,839 advice and selling the leverage about the terabyte to the 597 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,599 highest bidder on the open market. 598 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: A mercenary of compromise. A former NSA agent told Vanity Fair, 599 00:29:01,559 --> 00:29:04,079 as cited in the discussion, that Epstein didn't care who 600 00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:06,200 the customer was, as long as the check cleared and 601 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,400 the protection was guaranteed. 602 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: He could sell to anyone. 603 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: He could sell footage of a European royal to one 604 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,279 intelligence agency and then turn around and sell footage of 605 00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,839 a Silicon Valley tech titan to a rival corporate hedge fund. 606 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,319 He could sell political dirt to opposition researchers during an election. 607 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,279 Speaker 1: Cycle, so he didn't need one big backer. 608 00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: In this scenario, he didn't need a single omnipotent puppeteer 609 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:32,240 running interference for him, because the market itself kept him protected. 610 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:36,000 He was simply too valuable to too many disparate, powerful 611 00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:38,359 factions to ever be taken off the board. 612 00:29:38,519 --> 00:29:41,799 Speaker 1: If the CIA tried to arrest him, a foreign agency 613 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,960 would protect him. If local cops tried to arrest him, 614 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:46,680 a billionaire would protect him. 615 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 2: And the paper trail absolutely backs up this level of 616 00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:55,240 global unhindered operation. The video creator says, no theories, just receipts, 617 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,920 and the receipts are terrifying. Let's look at the flight 618 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,000 logs the international trips. There there are records of more 619 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,559 than thirty same day international trips where his private jet 620 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,559 would touch down in Russia in the morning and then 621 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,200 be wheels down in Israel by that night, and then 622 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,920 wheels up again before sunrise. 623 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,839 Speaker 1: Anyone who has ever flown internationally, even on a private jet, 624 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,559 knows that you do not bypass customs, passport control, and 625 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,240 international flight logging like that unless a government entity is 626 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,279 physically waving you through the airspace. 627 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 2: The infrastructure required to facilitate that kind of frictionless global 628 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:34,119 movement is immense. You need diplomatic level clearances, and it 629 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,480 wasn't just as travel that showed state level backing. 630 00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,799 Speaker 1: Look at his real estate, the New Mexico property. 631 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 2: The source highlights a massive property he owned in New 632 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,160 Mexico called the Zoro Ranch. County permits revealed that he 633 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,359 built a helipad on this property. But this wasn't just 634 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,319 a concrete slab for a rich guy's helicopter. It was 635 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,680 engineered to Pentagon specifications. 636 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: Explain that what does Pentagon specifications actually mean for a 637 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,200 helipad in the middle of the desert. 638 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: It means the depth of the concrete, the structural reinforcement, 639 00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:07,160 the subterranean infrastructure, and the specific radar and lighting equipment 640 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,880 were designed to handle heavy, military grade aircraft. 641 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,079 Speaker 1: You don't build that for a civilian bell helicopter. 642 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,319 Speaker 2: That is massive, inexplicable overkill unless you anticipate massive military 643 00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:21,880 transport shoppers coming and going under the radar, away from 644 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,359 public runways and the FAA's watchful eyes. You are essentially 645 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:31,200 building a private, off the books military airbase on US soil. 646 00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: And who was coming and going. That's another terrifying receipt. 647 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,519 We know about the celebrities and the politicians, but visitor 648 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:40,400 logs at Little Saint James that were introduced as trial 649 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,559 exhibits show something much darker. 650 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: The defense scientists. 651 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: At least six researchers who held active live grants with DARPA, 652 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:51,880 the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, or the Pentagon were 653 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,759 guests on the island. 654 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,799 Speaker 2: Now, for anyone who doesn't know, DARPA is the agency 655 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,359 that invented the Internet, stealth technology GPS. They are the 656 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,680 bleeding edge of American military technology. 657 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,079 Speaker 1: Epstein wasn't just inviting supermodels and actors. He was actively 658 00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,559 collecting defense scientists. He was embedding himself in the minds 659 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:10,759 that were building the future of government technology and weapons systems. 660 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 2: And that is where the national security threat becomes existential. 661 00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:18,400 If you have video of a DARPA scientist compromised on 662 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,880 that island, you don't just have blackmail. You have the 663 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,640 keys to America's future defense capabilities. 664 00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: So when you synthesize the international slight clearances bypassing customs, 665 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,880 the military grade infrastructurehidden into Mexico, the targeted recruitment of 666 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,000 top tier defense scientists, and the decades of financial and 667 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:42,640 legal immunity across multiple jurisdictions of very clear picture forms. 668 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 2: It doesn't definitively prove a specific agency like MASAD or 669 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,720 the CIA was running him, but it undeniably proves that 670 00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,920 Jeffrey Epstein moved through airports, classified laboratories, and bank lobbies 671 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,079 like a man who never expected to hear the word no. 672 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,519 Speaker 1: He had a fast pass through global security. Somebody somewhere 673 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:00,160 kept the lane. 674 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 2: Clear for him, and that brings us to the most 675 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,079 crucial part of this entire discussion, the final missing piece 676 00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:08,359 of the puzzle. Because Epstein is gone, whether by his 677 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,079 own hand or by a glitch in the cameras or 678 00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:12,240 someone else's hands, the operator has been. 679 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,279 Speaker 1: Removed from the board, but the product. 680 00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 2: The product is still out there. 681 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: The product is absolutely still out there. The video hammers 682 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,200 this point home. When the FBI rated his Manhattan townhouse 683 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,400 three weeks before he died, they drilled into his massive 684 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,279 hidden safe. They removed anywhere from hundreds to thousands of CDs, DVDs, 685 00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:32,119 and hard drives. 686 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,519 Speaker 2: Each one was meticulously labeled with a name and a date, 687 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:40,119 thousands of pieces of digital leverage, an entire library of compromise, 688 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,839 and yet there is a glaring, deafening omission in the. 689 00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:47,279 Speaker 1: Pursuit of justice here their trial. During Gislaine Maxwell's highly 690 00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,480 publicized trial, defense lawyers confirmed on the record that not 691 00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,200 a single one of those videos, not a single hard drive, 692 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,119 was entered into evidence by the prosecution. None of it. 693 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 2: The most explosive cash of evidence in modern criminal history, 694 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,400 just vanish into an evidence locker, never to be seen 695 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,400 or referenced again, which readses the ultimate terrifying question, where 696 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,160 are the tapes? 697 00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: Where are they? Because whoever is sitting on that archive 698 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,039 today right now holds the keys to the world. As 699 00:34:13,079 --> 00:34:16,480 a Friends Wines Creator beautifully and terrifyingly puts it, whoever 700 00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:19,440 holds those drives can still tug a senator's vote on 701 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,880 a crucial piece of legislation. 702 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 2: They can nudge a tech billionaire's merger. 703 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: They can whisper in a federal judge's ear to sway 704 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,760 a massive ruling. Every single powerful name on the Epstein 705 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,119 client list is just one phone call away from becoming 706 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,559 an active compliant asset for whoever controls the compromise. 707 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,519 Speaker 2: The leverage did not die in that mcc cell. The 708 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:44,280 leverage merely transferred ownership to a new operator. And this 709 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,360 is why the source leaves us with a critical to 710 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,159 do list, a call to action for anyone paying attention. 711 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: We cannot be satisfied with a tidy, wrapped up narrative 712 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,920 of a dead billionaire and an imprisoned accomplice. 713 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,199 Speaker 2: We have to follow the post mortem money. Look at 714 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,280 his estate, Look at the trust that we're set up 715 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,719 in his final days. Look at the odd offshore wire 716 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,039 transfers that kept surfacing long after his death. Each anomaly, 717 00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:09,039 each weird legal maneuver, is a breadcrumb leading back to 718 00:35:09,079 --> 00:35:11,119 the actual engineers of the machine, and we. 719 00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:15,159 Speaker 1: Have to demand transparency. The video urges massive public pressure 720 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:19,000 on Congress to unseal the drives. Congress has subpoena power. 721 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,880 They hold hearings on everything under the sun. Why aren't 722 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,400 they demanding the FBI produce the tapes. 723 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:28,280 Speaker 2: Because until the perpetrators on those drives are exposed, the 724 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,519 machine is still entirely functional. 725 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: The creator leaves us with this haunting warning. Watch for 726 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,159 the pattern. When you see another overnight success with mysterious 727 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,679 wealth who suddenly has VIP access to the global elite, 728 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,400 whose legal problems just magically melt away when they get 729 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,280 caught ring the. 730 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,079 Speaker 2: Alarm because the next Epstein is already auditioning. The infrastructure 731 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,719 remains completely intact, the cameras are still there, the desire 732 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,239 for leverage is still there, and unless we find out 733 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840 who held the door open for Jeffrey Epstein the first time, 734 00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,360 they will simply install a new operator and turn the 735 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,039 machine back on. 736 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,119 Speaker 1: Which leaves us with one final provocative thought for you 737 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,519 to ponder today. We've talked about the missing tapes, the 738 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,400 vast intelligence theories, the impossible sequence of glitches of the MCC, 739 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840 the DARPAT scientists, and the decades of financial cover ups. 740 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:15,840 Speaker 2: So much to consider. 741 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,159 Speaker 1: If you had the power to subpoena just one piece 742 00:36:18,199 --> 00:36:20,719 of evidence from this entire dark web, just one specific 743 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,159 thing to finally find out who is holding the leverage today, 744 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,360 what would it be? Would it be the hard drives, 745 00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,920 the flaylocks, the Westerner power of attorney? 746 00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,199 Speaker 2: Let us know in the comments. 747 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: I really want to hear your theories on this. Thank 748 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,280 you so much for joining us on this edition of 749 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,360 Thrilling Threads. Keep pulling the threads and we'll see you 750 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:37,840 next time.