Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome back to the show here. This
Speaker 1: is Hobby Hotline, Episode three eighty seven. I'm back for
Speaker 1: the second time this month, so I hope everybody in
Speaker 1: the chat is not sick of hearing me talk at
Speaker 1: this point, but either way, we are here. We are
Speaker 1: here with two of I think the OG co hosts
Speaker 1: when I first got started, I remember these guys. These
Speaker 1: guys have been co hosts for forever. We got Orlando
Speaker 1: and then we've got Victor True Arcas. We'll start up
Speaker 1: at the top here, Orlando. How's your week been going,
Speaker 1: what's been up to?
Speaker 2: Been going good?
Speaker 3: Just you know, watching a lot of YouTube videos and
Speaker 3: kind of always getting involved in the hobby. After this show,
Speaker 3: I'll be going to a small card show, which would
Speaker 3: be the first time that these new promoters have a
Speaker 3: card show here in South Florida, in the Cooper City area.
Speaker 3: So it just seems like the hobby is strong. I mean,
Speaker 3: new card shows opening up even here in South Florida.
Speaker 3: We don't have too many, but this is a new promoter.
Speaker 3: We had a new one come in this year at
Speaker 3: the hard Rock Casino, which is it was pretty big,
Speaker 3: over two hundred tables, and that was their first show
Speaker 3: and this is gonna be a little smaller one at
Speaker 3: the American Legion Hall, but you know, matches just to
Speaker 3: see how this one turns out. It will be their
Speaker 3: first show. So more shows, more more hobby stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, more and more shows the better. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's the same in Massachusetts. Maybe I just
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to shows as much, but I was
Speaker 1: looking at our calendar and like every week there's like
Speaker 1: three or four shows all over the place. So definitely
Speaker 1: definitely good to see some increasing of that. You know,
Speaker 1: new promoters also getting new people in the hobby. That's
Speaker 1: also good. Also have Victor here at True RC's Victor
Speaker 1: kind of same question to you, how's your week been going,
Speaker 1: what's been up to.
Speaker 4: I've been good man, Unlike Rolando here was living that
Speaker 4: retired life. I have to go work for a living
Speaker 4: still but doing good. Guys. Good morning to you guys,
Speaker 4: Good morning to the chat, good morning to the hobby,
Speaker 4: and let's talk about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so, just a little bit of a rundown
Speaker 1: here before we get into the show. We're gonna touch
Speaker 1: on the eBay GameStop news We're also going to talk
Speaker 1: about some of the big changes this week with PSA.
Speaker 1: Then we're going to get into Bowman that came out
Speaker 1: this past week and the new Top one hundred list
Speaker 1: kind of Top one hundred prospect lists, kind of all
Speaker 1: encompassing there with prospecting, and then we're going to get
Speaker 1: into some more collecting topics hopefully. You know, if the
Speaker 1: chat has anything they want to talk about, make sure
Speaker 1: you drop a comment. Also, make sure you drop a comment.
Speaker 1: I always love doing this. Make sure you drop a comment.
Speaker 1: Let us know where you're watching the show from today.
Speaker 1: I love seeing all the new faces, all the people,
Speaker 1: all the regulars here in the chat and where they're
Speaker 1: watching the show from. Uh So, yeah, we're going to
Speaker 1: start here with the news that was the eBay d
Speaker 1: the eBay game Stop deal, and I even kind of
Speaker 1: hesitate to call it the eBay GameStop deal because it
Speaker 1: really just seemed like GameStop was trying to get their
Speaker 1: name in the news a little bit coming out with
Speaker 1: a fifty five billion dollar offer. I don't know where
Speaker 1: games Stop is getting that money in the first place.
Speaker 1: I post about this on TikTok and somebody in the
Speaker 1: comments was like, yes, small companies by big companies all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm like, I don't even know what is
Speaker 1: that any I don't even know what that means. It
Speaker 1: just didn't make any sense to me. Orlando, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you, what were your initial thoughts maybe about the
Speaker 1: eBay deal when you first heard about it, and then
Speaker 1: you know, the deal falling through this past week.
Speaker 3: I kind of thought it was almost like a joke
Speaker 3: at the beginning, you know, when you're talking about GameStop
Speaker 3: that's at best a quarter of the size of eBay
Speaker 3: buying such a big corporation like eBay. You know, I'm wondering,
Speaker 3: you know, how is this guy gonna be able to
Speaker 3: raise any money? And you know, I was watching him
Speaker 3: on some of the business shows on different you know,
Speaker 3: national news, and he did a bunch of interviews and
Speaker 3: he really never never really answered the question on how
Speaker 3: he was going to raise all that money. He kept
Speaker 3: saying it was going to be half stock, half cash,
Speaker 3: but then he said that all he was all he
Speaker 3: had in cash, was like a twenty billion dollar guarantee
Speaker 3: from a bank somewhere, And I'm thinking, well, how could
Speaker 3: a half stock in game stop plus twenty billion be
Speaker 3: able to buy or make even a fifty five billion
Speaker 3: dollar offer, so that, you know, I thought was kind
Speaker 3: of almost like like you said, kind of to get
Speaker 3: attention and kind of to get his business out there
Speaker 3: and you know, and share some of his success at
Speaker 3: game Stop, which has been successful. I mean, Game Stops
Speaker 3: was a company that literally was going out of business.
Speaker 3: And he is a good businessman, grant him that. The
Speaker 3: guy's that a great job promoting game Stop, partnering up
Speaker 3: with all these different companies including PSA, and becoming you know,
Speaker 3: a real a force in the hobby itself. But I
Speaker 3: just couldn't see him raising that fifty five billion dollars.
Speaker 3: There was just no way that it seemed like he
Speaker 3: was able to actually make a legitimate offer, you know,
Speaker 3: with that kind of money and a company that that's small. Now,
Speaker 3: to his credit, he did have some great ideas. You know,
Speaker 3: he said he would make some changes, you know.
Speaker 2: One of them.
Speaker 3: Specifically, would be to update the eBay website, which really
Speaker 3: needs it. In my opinion, you know that I think
Speaker 3: eBay hasn't updated his their their platform for I don't know,
Speaker 3: it seems like at least ten years or so. It
Speaker 3: just seems to be the same type of thing. And
Speaker 3: I do think eBay could do a lot more to
Speaker 3: upgrade their site, to add more information on there. I mean,
Speaker 3: they could do stuff like tie into PSA and put
Speaker 3: pop counts on stuff that they're selling, and you.
Speaker 2: Know, do certain things make it, give it a brand new.
Speaker 3: Updated, you know, twenty first century look, you know, because
Speaker 3: really their site is just oh. And Ryan suggested that
Speaker 3: he would be good at that and that he could
Speaker 3: better manage the company. And you know, there are certain
Speaker 3: things that eBay isn't doing as well as they should
Speaker 3: be and probably need a little bit better ideas and
Speaker 3: better upper management.
Speaker 2: So I agree with that part of it. But I
Speaker 2: just couldn't be.
Speaker 3: Serious about him having that kind of money to buy
Speaker 3: the company. I don't think that he he could afford
Speaker 3: it at all.
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, And I mean, I guess it's it's
Speaker 1: good that the platform where a majority of sports card
Speaker 1: buying and selling is potentially worth fifty five billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I think that is I guess it's encouraging. I mean
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, we've seen companies within the
Speaker 1: sports card industry come and go, and eBay has always
Speaker 1: it's been one of the biggest companies, and it seems
Speaker 1: like it's always going to be one of the biggest companies,
Speaker 1: hopefully at least. Victor kind of same sort of question
Speaker 1: to you, what was your initial thoughts when he saw it?
Speaker 1: And then any you know, has your opinion changed at
Speaker 1: all now that this deal is not going to go
Speaker 1: through at all?
Speaker 4: It hasn't. And I think Orlando did an excellent job
Speaker 4: recapping the situation. I was I was, I was entertained
Speaker 4: by all of the content, really and I was wondering
Speaker 4: when is EBA going to respond to this? And I
Speaker 4: think their response this week was rather entertaining as well,
Speaker 4: where they mentioned that the offer is neither credible nor
Speaker 4: attractive and I don't think I don't think it can
Speaker 4: be better said than that. And so at the same time,
Speaker 4: you know, there is a lot of political things behind
Speaker 4: the scenes that I think, you know, Cohen, I think
Speaker 4: has his he's part owner or has owns five percent
Speaker 4: of the shares of eBay, So I think they have
Speaker 4: to listen to him because he does have a seat
Speaker 4: at the table and he does have his foot in
Speaker 4: the door. And uh, I don't think this is over.
Speaker 4: I think we'll hear a little bit more of this,
Speaker 4: uh in the near future.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think actually, who was it in the
Speaker 1: chat here? I think it was Upstate Upstate Sports Cards
Speaker 1: kind of went on what Orlando was saying with some
Speaker 1: of the platforms or libay not really being updated, and
Speaker 1: he was saying eBay being old school is nice for anyone,
Speaker 1: you know, getting back into it and knowing how to
Speaker 1: navigate it. And I think, on one hand that is correct,
Speaker 1: but also it's like, you know, at this point, the
Speaker 1: internet is the Internet, Like figuring out how to use
Speaker 1: a website shouldn't take you as long. It shouldn't take
Speaker 1: you very long. I mean hopefully for most people they're
Speaker 1: used to using the Internet. I mean, if eBay is
Speaker 1: making changes, I don't know. I hope that they would
Speaker 1: be making changes for the better. Like there are you know,
Speaker 1: they've updated stuff with PSA in terms of like showing
Speaker 1: some of the pop reports and stuff along those lines,
Speaker 1: But I mean there are still a lot of improvements
Speaker 1: I would like to see as well.
Speaker 5: I mean there are like if you like.
Speaker 1: The the if someone buys something and they don't pay
Speaker 1: for it, it still says that it was a sol
Speaker 1: listing like, I don't that's something I would like to
Speaker 1: change that they and then if you do best offer,
Speaker 1: it doesn't say what the price that was accepted for
Speaker 1: the best offer, So, you know, I don't know EBA,
Speaker 1: if they're listening to this show, maybe maybe not. But
Speaker 1: if there were some changes, there are some stuff that
Speaker 1: I would you know, potentially would like to see change.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that's kind of it for eBay.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really the news is basically like that,
Speaker 1: there was an offer put in and the offer was denied.
Speaker 1: So any any final thoughts before we kind of move
Speaker 1: on to you know, I think, unfortunately or unfortunately, I
Speaker 1: think a topic that a lot of people are going
Speaker 1: to have some opinions on here with the PSA stuff.
Speaker 1: Does anybody anybody have anything else on this eBay story?
Speaker 3: I think been covered enough all over the internet and
Speaker 3: every YouTube content creators talked about it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think it's a it's a it's a
Speaker 4: fast paced changing situation. It just they they have done
Speaker 4: some changes, positive changes in the last six months or so.
Speaker 4: I'm the one. I don't have a lot of things
Speaker 4: that I can gripe about as far as my user experience. Again,
Speaker 4: I'm not that big of a user as far as selling,
Speaker 4: and that's the type of thing, but they have made
Speaker 4: some positive changes. I think. Is there room for improvement, absolutely,
Speaker 4: But I'm one where if if it ain't broke, don't
Speaker 4: fix it. eBay has such long tenure in the hobby.
Speaker 4: I just I don't see a lot of things wrong
Speaker 4: with it as far as the way I use it. Now.
Speaker 4: There is a fast paced, changing evolution going on with
Speaker 4: live selling, and it seems like even eBay is is
Speaker 4: leaning more towards the live selling and that's a very
Speaker 4: successful way of doing it. And I think eBay changing
Speaker 4: or adopting that way of selling is going to be
Speaker 4: it's the future. I think it's here to stay, guys,
Speaker 4: And that's the way most of things are done in
Speaker 4: this space around the globe. And we're kind of like
Speaker 4: last to jump on board with the live selling concept.
Speaker 4: And it's pretty popular, it's pretty big, so we'll see, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'll see how it evolves.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, honestly, maybe I'm nitpicking a little
Speaker 1: bit here. I just like I said, I'm yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the live selling, the changes to the live
Speaker 1: selling I think is going to be whatever they can do.
Speaker 1: I mean, that industry is so massive, and you know
Speaker 1: over in like China, I think it's like already like
Speaker 1: fifty percent of all e commerce is done through live shopping,
Speaker 1: some like crazy statistic like that. So I would expect
Speaker 1: we move you know, farther that. I mean, it's the
Speaker 1: reason why you don't, uh TV channels like QVC are around.
Speaker 1: It's you know, people love to you know, buy things
Speaker 1: that they are being shown on the screen.
Speaker 5: I suppose. Yeah, so any.
Speaker 3: I definitely think that life selling is the future, you
Speaker 3: know for many companies. I mean, look at Whatnot what
Speaker 3: they've done with their life selling and their breaks. You know.
Speaker 2: The issue I think with.
Speaker 3: Whatnot is that people don't trust them because you know,
Speaker 3: they pretty much let anybody come on there, whether their
Speaker 3: scameras or not. Where I think eBay has a great
Speaker 3: opportunity to legitimize a little bit more of the of
Speaker 3: the sellers on their side because they literally choose the
Speaker 3: sellers and vet the sellers that are on there.
Speaker 2: They don't do a.
Speaker 3: Lot of promotion for these guys, and that's one of
Speaker 3: the things that I'd like to see a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more of.
Speaker 3: Maybe eBay highlighting their their life selling a little bit more.
Speaker 3: But there's some really really good sellers. You know, our
Speaker 3: friend Bow from one Million Cubs project, he's on there.
Speaker 3: He's done incredibly well with that, And I think they
Speaker 3: do have a better group of live sellers than the Whatnot,
Speaker 3: but they're still way behind Whatnot on their live selling platform,
Speaker 3: and I think that's definitely one area that eBay can
Speaker 3: improve on, and I think people would trust them a
Speaker 3: lot more than any other live selling site that's out
Speaker 3: there in the market.
Speaker 4: Right now. They're late to the party, but they're getting it.
Speaker 4: They're getting on board.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep.
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Speaker 1: The next topic that we have here is going to
Speaker 1: be one that I'm sure a ton of people are
Speaker 1: gonna have their opinions on so eBay made. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna well, they're kind of similar. But PSA made some
Speaker 1: big news. They made some interesting interesting timing on a
Speaker 1: lot of these things. I mean, I've seen one of
Speaker 1: the things that there was some sort of I think
Speaker 1: it was the Boston card hunter was doing like a
Speaker 1: no no grading with PSA in May, and it I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen it caught on a little bit online
Speaker 1: on Twitter and on TikTok a little bit. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting that PSA comes out with this announcement they say
Speaker 1: that there are investing two hundred million dollars into the company,
Speaker 1: but then they're also increasing the turnaround times and the
Speaker 1: threshold for how many cards you have to grade for
Speaker 1: the bulks emissions.
Speaker 5: I was a little bit.
Speaker 1: It just seems like it was kind of just like
Speaker 1: a Friday news dump where they just have a bunch
Speaker 1: of things they're putting all putting it all in together.
Speaker 1: I think it didn't I don't know the the you know,
Speaker 1: I'll let you guys give your opinions for us. We'll
Speaker 1: start with you Victor, you know, on any of those topics.
Speaker 1: I mean, really anything here.
Speaker 5: What were were you? What were your kind of thoughts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was being a little sassy, a little bit
Speaker 4: sarcastic when I read this headline. Yea, I basically said,
Speaker 4: thanks PSA for giving us your April twenty twenty six
Speaker 4: profit margins. Right right, one hundred million is a drop
Speaker 4: in the bucket for PSA in my opinion. I could
Speaker 4: be wrong on that, but I was just being sassy.
Speaker 4: But I do like the the concept of growing the infrastructure.
Speaker 4: They are pushed to that limit to where they realize
Speaker 4: they have to do something, and expanding the business with
Speaker 4: bigger facilities and more people that I think is the
Speaker 4: right move. However, on the on the on the other
Speaker 4: side of things, I think it's really is the straw
Speaker 4: that has broken the camel's back. I am reading a
Speaker 4: lot of commons and post on social media about this,
Speaker 4: and ninety eight percent of the comments in the backlash
Speaker 4: is absolutely negative. There is a lot of collectors out
Speaker 4: there that this move here is just they are just done.
Speaker 4: And they're not done because they're expanding. They're done because
Speaker 4: now they have extended lead times and that affects the
Speaker 4: collectors now right now we are once again they raise prices,
Speaker 4: but they only raised prices on the high highest tier,
Speaker 4: which is I believe the seven day turnaround. Now it's
Speaker 4: it's more money to go that route, and that's the
Speaker 4: only tier that they elevated the prices. The rest of
Speaker 4: everything has been extended lead times with the range now
Speaker 4: for value bulk, which is the lane that a lot
Speaker 4: of US collectors and flippers live in, it is now
Speaker 4: one hundred und than twenty to one hundred and sixty days.
Speaker 4: You guys, correct me if I'm wrong. Somewhere in there
Speaker 4: now we're and that's working days. It's not now if
Speaker 4: you when you add holidays and weekends, now you're you're
Speaker 4: looking at six, seven, possibly eight months before you see
Speaker 4: your your your submission. And that's where there is an uproar.
Speaker 4: And I think they're they're going to have a lot
Speaker 4: of work to do as far as gaining the consumer
Speaker 4: trust back. And from what I'm hearing, and I'm no
Speaker 4: expert in this field, but from what I'm hearing, this
Speaker 4: expansion that they're doing is typically about eighteen months long
Speaker 4: before everything, and that's with no hiccups. So let's just
Speaker 4: you know, eighteen months to two years before this, this
Speaker 4: game plan actually starts bearing fruit for the hobby, and
Speaker 4: so I don't know if collectors are going to be
Speaker 4: patient enough to stick this out. Well, I guess we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll have to agree with everything he just said. Victoria.
Speaker 3: You know, it's really off about PSA, not about the
Speaker 3: consumer at this point with them.
Speaker 2: You know, they're just.
Speaker 3: Trying to get caught up. And you know, supposedly they're
Speaker 3: going to hire a thousand more people within the next year,
Speaker 3: is what I hear.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: They have I think they said three hundred and fifty openings.
Speaker 3: Now most of those openings, you know, are going to
Speaker 3: be you know, greaters and kind of front end people
Speaker 3: helping to move that bulk and move that stuff through
Speaker 3: the system. But you know, the number one problem in
Speaker 3: my opinion is customer service, and I just don't see
Speaker 3: them talking about how they're going to improve their customer service.
Speaker 3: You know, all they're talking about is opening new offices,
Speaker 3: which they have. You know, they're opening up you know
Speaker 3: in Dallas and I guess New Jersey and I'm in Japan,
Speaker 3: and expanding the office here in Boca that they took
Speaker 3: over from SGC. But you know, I just still see
Speaker 3: them focus more on you know, this is what we're doing,
Speaker 3: and they're doing it for themselves, you know. I mean
Speaker 3: they're getting what almost two million cards every month. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't think that the Boston card hunter, you know,
Speaker 3: no no grading in May, is going to do anything.
Speaker 3: I don't even think that that they're even going to
Speaker 3: recognize it. I don't think they're going to feel anything
Speaker 3: about that. It's just you know, you know, technically he's
Speaker 3: just a small YouTuber, not really that small in our industry.
Speaker 3: But for them, you know, it's a drop in the bucket,
Speaker 3: and you know, they're really into it for themselves. I
Speaker 3: mean upping the you know, like you said earlier, the
Speaker 3: regular collector that's going to use the value bulk you
Speaker 3: know that's gone up to fifty cards. I mean that's
Speaker 3: pretty heavy right now, someone like me or you to
Speaker 3: submit fifty cards. I mean it's almost like we have
Speaker 3: to become a sub you know what they call it,
Speaker 3: a submitter. We'll get all our friends together, Yeah, a
Speaker 3: round of fifty cards.
Speaker 2: There a bulk submitters. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, I could never find fifty cards
Speaker 3: to sell them. I mean, I'd love to send them
Speaker 3: some cards and I got probably a round up twenty five,
Speaker 3: but fifty has gotten ridiculous at this point, and you know,
Speaker 3: and they did raise the prices, you know, so they're
Speaker 3: they're playing their game where you know, now you're going
Speaker 3: to get the cards back in whatever six to eight months.
Speaker 3: So if you want them quicker, you got to pay
Speaker 3: up more than you had to pay up before. So
Speaker 3: it's like a never ending story of them, you know,
Speaker 3: causing problems for themselves, falling behind in their issues and
Speaker 3: then making the customer pay for they're falling behind for
Speaker 3: their their issues and things like that. You know, and.
Speaker 2: You still have all these mistakes.
Speaker 3: I mean everywhere that you see, you hear all these
Speaker 3: things they're admitting now to all the fake cards that
Speaker 3: are coming through, and and you know, of course they
Speaker 3: tell you what they're catching, but now what they're not
Speaker 3: catching and things you see on the internet, like people
Speaker 3: get their cards back and then they get a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of other flips from other customers and stuff that
Speaker 3: they got with their with their mailing. And so they've
Speaker 3: got a lot of problems that I think they need
Speaker 3: to fix first of all, and I'm hoping that as
Speaker 3: part of those thousand people that they hire, that they
Speaker 3: get a good amount of those to become more of
Speaker 3: a customer service similar to SGC, because I think sgc's
Speaker 3: biggest asset was their customer service and PSA's downfall is
Speaker 3: their customer service.
Speaker 2: So it looks like we lost at them there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said he's having computer problems and he had
Speaker 4: to reboot and he'll be right back. But you know
Speaker 4: what blows my mind, Orlando, with this whole thing, And
Speaker 4: this is the part that I can't wrap my head around.
Speaker 4: And this part is not I repeat not PSA's fault.
Speaker 4: With all the increases in prices that they've had over
Speaker 4: the last twelve to fifteen months, with all the extended
Speaker 4: bulk submissions and everything going up as far as taking
Speaker 4: longer to get back, there is still no slowdown in
Speaker 4: people sending in cards. The numbers keep going up and
Speaker 4: up and up, and the demand is through the roof,
Speaker 4: even even with the price increases, even with the extended
Speaker 4: lead times. And that's the part I don't understand. That
Speaker 4: part is on us.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Oh, yeah, it's definitely on us.
Speaker 3: But you know the problem as us as the endgame
Speaker 3: that consumer is that our options have become much more
Speaker 3: limited than before. I mean, when we had SGC, we
Speaker 3: can use them, but SGC now has fallen into the
Speaker 3: same trap of their customer services not where it should be.
Speaker 3: Their turnaround times are not where they should be. I mean,
Speaker 3: now you know, you got to wait, you know, sixty
Speaker 3: days I hear for SGC and they're only grading you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know the last count, but you're talking fifty
Speaker 3: sixty thousand cards a month, and they've just fallen behind
Speaker 3: because PSA has taken control of all of their main
Speaker 3: graders and stuck SGC in the closet, you know, and
Speaker 3: now it's GC. I mean, now PSA that they got Beckett,
Speaker 3: they've been a little more focused on Beckett and t
Speaker 3: to upgrade Beckett, which I so far it's good to
Speaker 3: see that they put some money into Beckett and upgraded,
Speaker 3: you know, their labels and really kind of updated them
Speaker 3: a little bit more. Which Beckett was more stale than
Speaker 3: any other grading company out there, so their submissions have grown.
Speaker 3: Sgcs pretty much remain the same. But I think that
Speaker 3: the main thing for PSA now, their big focus is
Speaker 3: on the TCG side, and you know, you know, I think,
Speaker 3: what is it, sixty seventy percent of their submissions now
Speaker 3: as TCG and those guys are happy. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't hear I watched some of these Pokemon channels. I
Speaker 3: don't hear people complaining about PSA there, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, you always get a little bit here and there,
Speaker 3: but not as much as the sports side. So if
Speaker 3: their main you know, seventy percent of their business is
Speaker 3: happy with their service and you know they're not complaining,
Speaker 3: I just can't see PSA making many many changes and
Speaker 3: focusing a little more on the PC side because TCG
Speaker 3: has become really the monster in yes collection hobby right now.
Speaker 4: And that's really the culprit behind all the delays and
Speaker 4: all that. It's just the amount of TCG and from
Speaker 4: they're they're opening up new facilities in internationally to kind
Speaker 4: of help because that's where a lot of that stuff's coming.
Speaker 4: So unfortunately, it's the reality is that the collectors of
Speaker 4: the guys who are you know, like me, a set
Speaker 4: registry guy, I typically between ten to twenty cards are
Speaker 4: typically my were my submissions I'm squeezed out now just
Speaker 4: to come up with fifty cards. It's really hard for me.
Speaker 4: Coming up with twenty cards was kind of hard for me,
Speaker 4: let alone fifty, And they kind of forced a hand
Speaker 4: to where, you know, who's going to be able to
Speaker 4: send fifty cards consistently. Well, the flipper is you know
Speaker 4: that the guys who opened product, the guys who you
Speaker 4: know are are flippers and that sort of thing, and
Speaker 4: so the collector, the set registry guys, you guys are
Speaker 4: just going to have to just wait. And unfortunately that's
Speaker 4: where it's at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even and even at that, you know, when
Speaker 3: you talk about guys that are going to be you
Speaker 3: know a lot of the grading is going to be
Speaker 3: the new cars, and I know we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about the the Bowman now you know, uh Broo Bowman
Speaker 3: chrome coming up and at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I should be trying. I should be.
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out the issue a little bit.
Speaker 1: But uh so if you see me kind of my
Speaker 1: eyes darting around, I'm still I'm googling why my CPU
Speaker 1: usage just at one hundred and twenty percent, So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to figure that out. But I was I was
Speaker 1: listening to you guys. I'll come in when whenever you
Speaker 1: whenever you guys. I know Orlando is about to make
Speaker 1: a point there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just going to finish up that, you know,
Speaker 3: with the turnaround times and all that on on p
Speaker 3: s A. You know, now you've got the uh you know,
Speaker 3: the Bowman draft over chrome whatever, I forgot what we
Speaker 3: call it there, which is the number one uh, you
Speaker 3: know for prospecting. And those guys that are opening up
Speaker 3: packs and boxes right now today as we speak, they
Speaker 3: make their money on getting those cards graded as soon
Speaker 3: as possible, taking them to market as soon as possible.
Speaker 3: And they can't wait six to eight months because those
Speaker 3: prospects could be you know.
Speaker 2: Big right now.
Speaker 3: But in three months, those guys are could be back
Speaker 3: in the dollar boxes. So how they're going to handle that,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure, but I guess we'll move
Speaker 3: on to that subject now. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: the Boma Chrome draft.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll just make one point.
Speaker 1: I think I think what PSA is sort of trying
Speaker 1: to doing is potentially eliminate those types of customers maybe
Speaker 1: from their market, like the people who rip product and
Speaker 1: get cards graded. The fact that you now have to
Speaker 1: wait seven or eight months is like, that's it. It's
Speaker 1: an unrealistic timeline to expect that you can make any money.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like maybe that's for the better,
Speaker 1: Like maybe it's better that you have to wait the
Speaker 1: seven months to get a card graded, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's maybe helping the consumer who wants to buy that card.
Speaker 1: There just won't be as many available, so you know,
Speaker 1: the hype of the the hype of the product release
Speaker 1: will die down a little bit, and hopefully it won't.
Speaker 1: You know, we won't see a two thousand dollars PSA
Speaker 1: ten Cooper flag Tops Flagship Brookie when now that's like
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five dollars card. Maybe that's sort
Speaker 1: of what they're I don't even think really that might
Speaker 1: not even be on their minds, but like for me,
Speaker 1: that's when I saw the big change.
Speaker 5: I think at least there and like you said.
Speaker 1: To the bulk submitters, like it almost seems like they're
Speaker 1: trying to get them to start up again, because you know,
Speaker 1: fifty cards is twelve hundred dollars and that's not including
Speaker 1: any upcharges, So like twelve hundred dollars for something to
Speaker 1: take seven months, that feels like an unrealistic.
Speaker 3: Ask.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's maybe my own standpoint. Like
Speaker 1: I've done grading before, and I've graded the twenty cards
Speaker 1: for the value bulk and you know, it took like
Speaker 1: six months, but it just seems like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just seems like they're trying to either get bulks
Speaker 1: emitters back into the fold here, or they're trying to
Speaker 1: take away maybe some of the some of the hype
Speaker 1: around some of these newer cards and the newer products,
Speaker 1: because yeah, sure you can do, like you said, the
Speaker 1: seven day turnaround, but even that, they're increasing the amount.
Speaker 1: So I think, sorry, and maybe these are just all
Speaker 1: my thoughts here, but one one more thing before I
Speaker 1: move on to the boonman. It's just that I think
Speaker 1: PSA understands the value that they are providing when they
Speaker 1: crede a card, because for example, that Cooper Flag card
Speaker 1: is about a five dollars base card. It's one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five dollars if you get a PSA ten.
Speaker 1: They're looking at that and saying, well, why are we
Speaker 1: just providing you essentially a way that you can make
Speaker 1: money and we're not making any money from that, So
Speaker 1: like they're trying to increase the pricing, and I guess
Speaker 1: the last point is just that maybe this is what
Speaker 1: the pricing and what the turnaround time should have just
Speaker 1: been all along. Potentially the maybe it wasn't maybe grading
Speaker 1: was grading with PSA, maybe potentially was an undervalued asset
Speaker 1: in the industry, and they're looking at it and saying,
Speaker 1: we we want some of that cash, we want some
Speaker 1: of that money. I think there's there's kind of a combination.
Speaker 1: I think there of the things that PSA, the reason
Speaker 1: why PSA is moving sort of in the direction that
Speaker 1: they are. But yeah, like Orlando is saying, we're gonna
Speaker 1: move on to Bowman Baseball, which I love Bowman. I
Speaker 1: mean it's one of the one of the more fun products.
Speaker 1: It's obviously a bit of a gamble I would say,
Speaker 1: like I was thinking about making a video about the
Speaker 1: top gamble gambling products potentially, uh in the industry, because like,
Speaker 1: if you can pull a crazy card out of here.
Speaker 5: You're probably doing it. You're probably doing pretty good. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Bowman Baseball that's been released, that's a big
Speaker 1: product here in the sports card industry. I mean, Orlando,
Speaker 1: what were your kind of thoughts on this? And we
Speaker 1: can get into prospecting in general as well, just because
Speaker 1: this is you know, obviously this is a prospect product.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let us know, like what your thoughts were
Speaker 1: on the Bowman release in any prospecting in general, if
Speaker 1: you have any thoughts on that as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, definitely, it's it's one of the most
Speaker 3: popular products out there right now, especially you know, for
Speaker 3: it's a prospecting product. That's really all it is. You know,
Speaker 3: it does have some veteran players in therefore, but really
Speaker 3: everybody's going after the prospects and the first Bowman prospect
Speaker 3: and the first Bowman autograph prospect and those type of things.
Speaker 3: But you know, my issue with this, of course, is
Speaker 3: is the crisis. Like always, you know, the Hobby boxes
Speaker 3: are you know, over three hundred dollars and the I
Speaker 3: think the Hobby Jumbo are now over seven hundred dollars,
Speaker 3: so they're expensive and and you really don't know the
Speaker 3: name's in there. I mean, personally, I'm not one that
Speaker 3: tracks all these prospects. So you know, I may recognize
Speaker 3: two or three of these guys because they were maybe
Speaker 3: some of the top draft picks, but overall, you know,
Speaker 3: I won't know most of the guys in there, and
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody will really get to know these
Speaker 3: guys until two, three, four years from now. Now, I
Speaker 3: know that the retail boxes are out there, and those
Speaker 3: are a little bit cheaper. And I was watching last
Speaker 3: night somebody opening up some of these boxes, and you know,
Speaker 3: the cars look really nice. You know, they have of
Speaker 3: course the parallels and the inserts and all that, and
Speaker 3: the first you know, one of the first rookie or
Speaker 3: first draft pick type thing. So the cars look nice
Speaker 3: like they usually do. And and you know these are
Speaker 3: again these are kind of the base.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then you do have some chrome in this in
Speaker 3: the base as some of the hits. But you know,
Speaker 3: my issue with this is the prices are still too
Speaker 3: high for guys that we don't even know who they are.
Speaker 3: We don't even know if they're going to pan out.
Speaker 3: And you know, there may be you know, two or
Speaker 3: three guys in this entire set that are gonna be
Speaker 3: worth any money a year down.
Speaker 1: The road, right right, Yeah, And I think, like you said,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's kind of the type of product where
Speaker 1: if you're opening it or you're doing any breaks, you
Speaker 1: kind of have to sell almost right away because I
Speaker 1: think and maybe it's like that with a lot of products,
Speaker 1: but like this one specifically, because if you have you know,
Speaker 1: Ethan Holliday, I think is the big name that he's
Speaker 1: on the cover there. He was I think the number
Speaker 1: four pick last year in the Draftees. Jackson Holiday's brother
Speaker 1: and yes, yes, yeah, right right right, yes, playing for
Speaker 1: you know, his his dad's old team. I believe if
Speaker 1: I have him correct there, but you are, if you're
Speaker 1: pulling anything, your best shot is to sell it now
Speaker 1: and then hopefully buy it back later. Those are kind
Speaker 1: of the things with Bowman specifically, And you know, Victor
Speaker 1: kind of similar question like what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: Bowman in general and any thoughts on like this this
Speaker 1: release that just came out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I got to be careful here because I've
Speaker 4: I've made some comments about Bowman in the past. I
Speaker 4: am not a real big fan of this product. First
Speaker 4: of all, the prospecting game was very popular in the nineties.
Speaker 4: I was a big as a dealer at that time.
Speaker 4: I was big. My world was prospecting, and I can
Speaker 4: tell you from experience it was always a losing proposition
Speaker 4: for me and I never really was able to. These
Speaker 4: guys are up and down so much, so quickly, and
Speaker 4: it's just a lose lose proposition in my experience. Now,
Speaker 4: it's it's funny that we have Roman Anthony on the
Speaker 4: cover here, and that's case in point here. The guy
Speaker 4: was the world beater last year, beloved within the hobby,
Speaker 4: and this year. I don't know how true it is.
Speaker 4: I haven't looked it up, but from what I'm hearing
Speaker 4: is is that he struggled really bad and they're actually
Speaker 4: he's struggling to the point where they're thinking about sending
Speaker 4: him back down. And so, you know, I don't he's young.
Speaker 4: But my point is is that if you're an Roman
Speaker 4: Anthony believer and you play the prospecting game, right now
Speaker 4: is the time to pick up Roman Anthony, and not
Speaker 4: at the heat at the peak of the hype last year.
Speaker 4: And and this is the problem with this kind of stuff, man,
Speaker 4: I just and I and I don't like the the
Speaker 4: the watering down of the rookie card that we do
Speaker 4: with a lot of these prospects. It just a lot
Speaker 4: of people want to want to believe that, you know,
Speaker 4: these are the true rookie cards, and the first bowman
Speaker 4: and all of that, and that that kind of argument.
Speaker 4: I'm just tired of explaining or arguing that that point
Speaker 4: with this product. And I just know from experience. Man,
Speaker 4: at least for me, I am. I did not do
Speaker 4: well with the prospecting game. And I lived and breathed
Speaker 4: this stuff in the nineties and always found myself on
Speaker 4: the short end of the stick. And then if I
Speaker 4: do pull a good card, then I have to sell
Speaker 4: it to make money. And it's like, if I pull
Speaker 4: a good card, I want to keep it. I don't
Speaker 4: want to sell it to recoup my money. And it's
Speaker 4: just I don't know, it's counterproductive for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was watching the guy open open some boxes yesterday
Speaker 3: and you know, there's one insert series I think that
Speaker 3: is the top one hundred, and you know, he's pulling
Speaker 3: these pully and he goes, oh, I got one. I
Speaker 3: got one that is Oh, it's to have a number
Speaker 3: right in the front, number ninety eight. He's like, oh,
Speaker 3: but he didn't know any of these guys just looking
Speaker 3: at you know, I'm trying to get the number the
Speaker 3: top five right, and number five even though he didn't
Speaker 3: know the name of any of the guys who they
Speaker 3: were or anything like that. He's, oh I got the
Speaker 3: number eight pick out of one hundred or the top
Speaker 3: one hundred. It's got to be junk. But you just
Speaker 3: never know. Really, that's the thing with prospecting, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, it could be the guy could be it
Speaker 3: turned out to be a my piazza, you know, right right,
Speaker 3: these guys that was chosen at the bottom and ends
Speaker 3: up being one of the tough guys. But you know
Speaker 3: the guy was up, he threw it in the common pile.
Speaker 3: You know, we're like, oh no, this guy's.
Speaker 1: Worthless, right, And I mean with prospecting and Victor, maybe
Speaker 1: you experienced this a little bit with when you were
Speaker 1: saying you were so into it. Like the best scouts
Speaker 1: in the world are paid millions and millions of dollars
Speaker 1: to scout players, and they even don't they're they're not
Speaker 1: even hit they don't even hit out one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So the fact that we think as fans or sports
Speaker 1: card people that we know better than the people who
Speaker 1: like literally they don't even sell or buyer sports cards.
Speaker 1: They literally just watch prospects. They just watch players play,
Speaker 1: and sometimes they're not correct. So it's like the thought
Speaker 1: that just because we are into sports cards, we know
Speaker 1: who the next prospect is going to be. I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, at least when it comes to prospecting, I
Speaker 1: found that I you know, I don't do it really
Speaker 1: at all anymore necessarily a buying cards, But when I
Speaker 1: was doing a little bit, I found that I had
Speaker 1: a better time buying cards of players that people didn't
Speaker 1: really know and kind of hoping that they would turn
Speaker 1: into somebody, versus you know, buying Connor Griffin or a
Speaker 1: JJ Weatherhold or any of the players who were in
Speaker 1: the top five already or you know, Jesus made who's
Speaker 1: the new number one prospect because they people already know
Speaker 1: them and their price is already baked in. Like that's
Speaker 1: sort of I guess. The other part of prospecting is
Speaker 1: like the pricing of their cards is it's already baked
Speaker 1: in that they are going to win MVPs and be
Speaker 1: these superstars. And it's like you watch the pricing of
Speaker 1: those cards as soon as they make it to the majors,
Speaker 1: and if they don't perform, well, you know. I think
Speaker 1: Roman Anthony is maybe a good example. I think he's
Speaker 1: been hurt too. He got hurt at the end of
Speaker 1: the season, like right at the end of the season,
Speaker 1: couldn't play in the playoffs, got hurt early on in
Speaker 1: this season, it wasn't really playing well. So you know,
Speaker 1: that also is another aspect of prospecting, and I think
Speaker 1: you know that we experience here in the industry and
Speaker 1: just prospecting in general, So I you know, I guess
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting perspective, Victor, Like you were
Speaker 1: into prospecting and you know, the dealing and buying and
Speaker 1: selling cards, Like was there a shift or was it
Speaker 1: like one thing or was it multiple things that you
Speaker 1: kind of shifted your focus away from prospecting. I think
Speaker 1: that would be interesting for you know, the audience to
Speaker 1: hear if maybe they're in a similar boat, like if
Speaker 1: they're kind of on the fence, Like what happened? What
Speaker 1: was it for you that shifted your mindset when it
Speaker 1: came to, uh, doing prospecting and then maybe not doing
Speaker 1: it as much anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. And here's what I what I've kind
Speaker 4: of learned the hard way, and here's what kind of
Speaker 4: discouraged me to get away from it, and that is
Speaker 4: we signed these kids. They're literally kids when they get
Speaker 4: picked up or drafted. You know, they're there's somewhere between
Speaker 4: the ages of fifteen and nineteen, you know, and we
Speaker 4: put so much high expectations on these kids, and but
Speaker 4: they don't have the mental capacity to handle the weight
Speaker 4: that we put on them. And so now they're now well,
Speaker 4: you know, they've been growing up in Little league and
Speaker 4: they've been successful their entire lives, but now they're meeting
Speaker 4: they're at a new level where the competition is just
Speaker 4: as good as they are. So they're no longer dominant.
Speaker 4: Now you've got to face big league pitching. Now you're slumping.
Speaker 4: This is the first slump you've ever had in your life.
Speaker 4: You've been hitting home runs as a little leaguer, and
Speaker 4: now you're facing talent equally as good as you, and
Speaker 4: now you it's the mental side of the game where
Speaker 4: these kids are not mature enough to handle all that
Speaker 4: we're putting on them, and so they're set up to fail, right,
Speaker 4: and I see that cycle. It's like repetitive over and
Speaker 4: over again. And or they try so hard to go
Speaker 4: to the next level that they end up injuring themselves,
Speaker 4: or they can't get past the psychological side of the game.
Speaker 4: And they get stuck in this rut and they just
Speaker 4: spiral downward. And that's how come I like to stick
Speaker 4: to guys who have been consistent in the major leagues
Speaker 4: for about between four to six years, Guys that are
Speaker 4: giving tailtale signs that they're headed to a Hall of
Speaker 4: Fame career. Yeah, they're only hitting thirty home runs, they're
Speaker 4: not hitting fifty sixty, seventy, but they are doing consistency.
Speaker 4: And that's the kind of guys I like to put
Speaker 4: my money into, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's so tough for these guys. I mean
Speaker 3: when they're playing in the minor leagues, you know, I mean,
Speaker 3: they're going against you know, talent that's really beneath them,
Speaker 3: and they don't have the kind of coaching or scouting
Speaker 3: that really looks at these guys' weaknesses. Like when you
Speaker 3: go up to the majors, I mean and they see
Speaker 3: that the guy all all of a sudden is you know,
Speaker 3: early tearing up the majors. All the scouts, you got,
Speaker 3: all the managers, got everybody focusing on, Okay, where is
Speaker 3: this guy's weakness versus when they're not the miners, they
Speaker 3: don't that, but now they figure Okay, this guy can't
Speaker 3: hit the low outside slider or whatever pitch or whatever
Speaker 3: it is. And then all of a sudden, you consistently
Speaker 3: start getting that pitch and that's you know, you can't
Speaker 3: hit it. You just can't hit it. And they got
Speaker 3: to learn how to hit it. The best environment, the
Speaker 3: toughest environment that there is, you know, versus you know,
Speaker 3: in the minors. So when you face that kind of adversity, adversity,
Speaker 3: it really gets in your head and now you know,
Speaker 3: like Victor says, it's all mental.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, man, I'm not as good as.
Speaker 3: I thought I was, or I've never faced this kind
Speaker 3: of adversity, And now all the eyes are on this
Speaker 3: guy because it's supposed to be so good, but they've
Speaker 3: found his weakness. They're attacking the weakness, and he can't
Speaker 3: overcome it or it's gonna take them time to overcome it.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's a mental issue as far. And
Speaker 3: also the focus on how do we get this guy out,
Speaker 3: which is a lot more aggressive in the majors than
Speaker 3: it is it's like in the minors.
Speaker 1: Right right, And I mean something that is a little
Speaker 1: bit underrated. I would say with prospecting is like, you know,
Speaker 1: some of these MLB players, like the prospects like Connor
Speaker 1: Griffin for example, sign like an eight year, one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty million dollar contract.
Speaker 5: He's twenty years old.
Speaker 1: Like imagine, imagine knowing at twenty years old that over
Speaker 1: the next eight years you're going to make one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty million dollars. Like for me, I you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not in a professional athlete.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a pretty uh bowl a lot, but
Speaker 1: obviously not to the level where I'm any type of professional.
Speaker 1: But like, also, if you were to tell me at
Speaker 1: a third at thirty, at thirty three that you know,
Speaker 1: over the next eight years you're gonna make one hundred
Speaker 1: and forty I would be acting different, Like I would
Speaker 1: just be I would not act the same way because
Speaker 1: I have that contract. And I think especially too, Like
Speaker 1: it's we just don't know what these players are going
Speaker 1: through on a day to day basis. You know, we
Speaker 1: don't know how how are their family members asking for money?
Speaker 1: Are they are their friends being like, hey man, you
Speaker 1: just signed this crazy contract, Like how what kind of
Speaker 1: stress do they go through that isn't on the field stress?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's happening with you know, Roman Anthony
Speaker 1: or Connor Griffin. I'm just saying in general, we don't
Speaker 1: know what you know. And again it's a lot of
Speaker 1: these prospects, you know, their players signed from you know,
Speaker 1: Dominican Republic, their players signed from you know, areas of
Speaker 1: the world that are not like as doing as well
Speaker 1: as the as here. So again that's just another There
Speaker 1: are so many aspects here, I think that we don't
Speaker 1: really think about as sports card prospects. We look at
Speaker 1: them on the field, we say, hey, he just hit
Speaker 1: a home run. I want to buy some of his cards.
Speaker 1: That's sort of how we look at it. And I think, actually,
Speaker 1: just before we get into we're gonna kind of wrap
Speaker 1: the show up here with a little bit more collecting talk. Actually,
Speaker 1: something that I should have put on the list was
Speaker 1: this card that sold through alt and it's perfect for prospecting.
Speaker 1: Actually talking about it now, the one of one Zion
Speaker 1: Williamson National Treasures sold through all actually this past week
Speaker 1: for two hundred thousand dollars, which I that's a shock
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 5: I can't believe it's sold for that much.
Speaker 1: I know back in the day David Adams put like
Speaker 1: a five hundred thousand doll bounty, and I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people were like, oh, uh, that's not gonna
Speaker 1: do it, Like, that's not You're not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to pay that price. Like that probably would have been
Speaker 1: a two or three million dollar card back in the day.
Speaker 1: Now it's two hundred k, which I even think two
Speaker 1: under k is still a little bit too much for
Speaker 1: that card unless Zion somehow, you know, turns his career around,
Speaker 1: which I don't know if that's going to happen, but
Speaker 1: oh oh. An able also he asked what my averages.
Speaker 1: It's about a one eighty five. I miss a lot
Speaker 1: of spares. Unfortunately that kind of brings my average down
Speaker 1: a little bit, just from a bowling bowling perspective. Uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is like, you know, a perfect example
Speaker 1: of a prospect who everyone was like, this is a
Speaker 1: can't miss guy, and then you know, years later, his
Speaker 1: card that should have been a couple million dollars sells
Speaker 1: for two hundred k, which, again, maybe that's a little
Speaker 1: bit too much, but I just thought that was another
Speaker 1: interesting card that uh, go ahead, go ahead, Victor.
Speaker 4: This recently sold for this month just.
Speaker 1: This was like literally, I think like Thursday or Friday,
Speaker 1: like Lily, Yeah, I think it was Wednesa, Wednesday or Thursday.
Speaker 5: This card sold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some people have a lot of money.
Speaker 5: Man, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, in theory it is a gamble
Speaker 1: and if you are a gambling person and you maybe
Speaker 1: you spend you know, there are people who have a
Speaker 1: lot of that money and maybe they spend one hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars if they're gambling on a sports on a game,
Speaker 1: you know, why not buy a card? Why not buy
Speaker 1: this card you're gambling one way or the other.
Speaker 5: I think here it's because it's art.
Speaker 4: At them, it's two hundred thousand dollars with the art.
Speaker 1: Right right, So maybe it's a tax right off potentially
Speaker 1: for somebody who who maybe sells in the future for
Speaker 1: fifty k and they say, oh I lost one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty fifty thousand dollars on this, you know, or Land,
Speaker 1: did you have any thoughts on still? I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, it just happened the other day, so it's
Speaker 1: kind of kind of new. But it's it's interesting that it,
Speaker 1: you know, after all of these years it ends up selling.
Speaker 3: I'll buy myself a little condo versus that card. You know,
Speaker 3: it's just crazy, and you still have a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, they were prospects like that that are selling
Speaker 3: for you know, one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: What prices are still people willing to pay that kind
Speaker 3: of money where you can buy a you know, for me,
Speaker 3: of course, I'm a vintage guy. You know, you could
Speaker 3: buy one of the top Jackie Robinson cards for a
Speaker 3: lot less than that, you know, in a high grade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's just.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know, I don't know, maybe it's Zion's family
Speaker 3: or maybe a Zion himself buying the card, but yeah,
Speaker 3: maybe it's really tough to think that someone would throw
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand dollars into Zion Williams at this stage
Speaker 3: in his career.
Speaker 4: His agent or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody who again, somebody who has you know, a
Speaker 1: million there's like whatever, we'll just toss a quarterer of
Speaker 1: that on.
Speaker 4: And an agenda to keep his name up there, you know.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah, right, something like that. I mean, what kind
Speaker 5: of Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I mean I was waiting for you know, cause I
Speaker 1: had been I had been watching that auction for a while,
Speaker 1: and it was sitting at like one forty for like
Speaker 1: a week and then like in the last day that's
Speaker 1: when the two hundred thousand dollars bid came in. So
Speaker 1: it was a you know, the sports card industry is
Speaker 1: a funny play sometimes sometimes you sometimes you get a
Speaker 1: card that, like I said, it could have sold for
Speaker 1: two or three million dollars back in the day, sells
Speaker 1: now it's two hundred k, which I again, two hundred
Speaker 1: k probably still a little bit too high. But yeah,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna kind of get into hopefully a bit
Speaker 1: more of a fun fun topics here. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about like pickups and just stuff that you've been looking
Speaker 1: at these past couple of weeks and just you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit more collecting talk here. So, Orlando, any anything,
Speaker 1: anything you've been picking up recently, what you been looking into.
Speaker 1: Kind of just let it, let the chat know, like
Speaker 1: what what it is, what it is you've been looking
Speaker 1: to pick up, if you have been picking up anything.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I went to strong Zille, so I had,
Speaker 3: you know, my big pickup there was a nineteen thirty
Speaker 3: three DeLong Lu Garrick And that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that I look for on more into the pre war stuff.
Speaker 3: And you know, that's just a Lou Garrity card I've
Speaker 3: been looking at for a long time, and you know
Speaker 3: it's one of the rare cards.
Speaker 2: There's only about two hundred and fifty in the pop report.
Speaker 3: You know, did the Goudi garricks that there's a few
Speaker 3: thousand of those out there, So I look for some
Speaker 3: of that. My latest pickup, I don't have it here
Speaker 3: to show, but it's an old Cuban card, a nineteen
Speaker 3: oh nine Cabanas card that we're a bait in Cuba,
Speaker 3: and it's like a T two O six, the first
Speaker 3: the first Cuban card set that were produced, and you
Speaker 3: know those are most of them. They're top ten at
Speaker 3: the most. And since I was born in Cuba, I
Speaker 3: collect those kind of cards. So that's kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that I that I collect. I also, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: into a lot of the Cuban players like Mini Minoso.
Speaker 3: So I didn't pick up a couple of Minoso cards
Speaker 3: that I have here. I'll share this. I'll share this
Speaker 3: with you. So I've got the the Minoso sixty two
Speaker 3: and then I've got the Minoso sixty to autographed.
Speaker 5: Oh cool.
Speaker 3: And then I've got just because you know, and then
Speaker 3: I've got the sixty two Minoso Venezuelan.
Speaker 5: Let's go nice.
Speaker 2: Nice, And to.
Speaker 3: Make it to finish off the rainbow, I've got the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two Minoso Venezuelan autograph.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 5: Nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: So a prop one picked up as.
Speaker 2: Strong asgo, So I love it. This is this is
Speaker 2: my kind of rainbow rainbow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, those were That's the kind of stuff that
Speaker 3: I pick up. And you know, I think that Minoso
Speaker 3: is an underrated player. I mean, people don't realize that
Speaker 3: he was the first Latin black player to play in
Speaker 3: the majors. So to the Latinos, he was kind of
Speaker 3: the Jackie Robinson, you know, of the of the Latinos.
Speaker 3: You know, he was the first black Latin player. And
Speaker 3: after that, of course came Roberto Clemente and many others.
Speaker 3: But so he's a guy I collect because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a Cuban heritage and he's, you know, one of
Speaker 3: the first Cuban superstars in baseball.
Speaker 2: So that's my.
Speaker 3: Vintage rainbow and nice kind of finish that off at Strongsville.
Speaker 1: Nice, nice, anything, I know, you said, you were heading
Speaker 1: to a show probably later today. Anything that you've got
Speaker 1: your eyes on that you're gonna be picking up, or
Speaker 1: you're kind of just roaming the tables and see if
Speaker 1: you can find, uh, see if you can find any
Speaker 1: of anything that's maybe close to what you got there.
Speaker 3: No, I don't expect to find much there, and really
Speaker 3: I'm saving my money for the National. You know, I'll
Speaker 3: be at the National Area. I'll be there Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday. And been selling some cards at CIA Auction.
Speaker 3: I'll give them a plug there. They do pretty well,
Speaker 3: and I've been moving some cards there because you know,
Speaker 3: as a retired guy like Victor says, somewhere that's got
Speaker 3: a lot of free time in their hands. The way
Speaker 3: that I raised money to spend money for the hobby
Speaker 3: is by selling some of my collections. So I've been
Speaker 3: selling my collection, selling some of the stuff that I
Speaker 3: really don't love, you know, cards that I've collected over
Speaker 3: the years that I like them, but I'm really not
Speaker 3: in love with at this point in my life. So
Speaker 3: kind of doing a little more consolidation and raising some
Speaker 3: money for the National and that's where I want to
Speaker 3: try to get as much fun as I can and
Speaker 3: pick up something nice there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Nice, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's kind of the way
Speaker 1: to do it. I think if you're collecting and you're
Speaker 1: buying cards, like, if you don't like a card, it's
Speaker 1: fine to sell it. I think sometimes I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit of a hoarder, I would say, like in terms
Speaker 1: of I buy stuff and then if I don't like it,
Speaker 1: I just kind of put it in a shelf or
Speaker 1: somewhere where I can't see it. But yeah, So Victor,
Speaker 1: kind of same questions to you. Anything you've been picking up,
Speaker 1: what you've been looking at, how has that been going
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been sitting on the money. I usually quit
Speaker 4: spending around March when it's national time, but I do.
Speaker 4: I am a collector still, and I've kind of pivoted
Speaker 4: changed some things this year. One of them has been
Speaker 4: Sammy Sosa playing days. Insert cards or based cards if
Speaker 4: there's if they're cool looking, and so I've been kind
Speaker 4: of focusing my attention on that. Here the last few weeks,
Speaker 4: I'll show you a couple of pickups. Here is the
Speaker 4: ninety four Pacific Yes Sosa gold like Goldish Prism, like
Speaker 4: I think that's where all that started. And then you
Speaker 4: have the in the cage insert by Pacific, and Pacific
Speaker 4: was just in my they were decades ahead of their time.
Speaker 4: I think they were just that good. Here is another
Speaker 4: in the cage. This one is the year two thousand
Speaker 4: and the cage. The part of it is like a
Speaker 4: like a net in the background. I know it doesn't
Speaker 4: do it any justice, but they're really cool looking inserts.
Speaker 4: And then I got last one. I'll show you. Here
Speaker 4: is a skybox thunder and it's an insert called dial one.
Speaker 4: In the case of an emergency, you dial one and
Speaker 4: there's a little cell phone in the background.
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Sosa and just some amazing inserts that you can pick
Speaker 4: up for anywhere between twenty to thirty dollars. And I've
Speaker 4: been putting my spreadsheet together on the Samisosa cards that
Speaker 4: I actually do want to pick up, and looking at
Speaker 4: my spreadsheet, I thought I had a quite a nice
Speaker 4: collection of SOSA. I need a lot more sosas. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: really excited to dig into that. Well, well, everything else
Speaker 4: is going through the roof. I'm kind of chilling in
Speaker 4: the background with the smaller stuff nice.
Speaker 5: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been my girlfriend and I we've just been
Speaker 1: whenever we're watching TikTok, sometimes we'll jump into people's streams
Speaker 1: and people do the like dollar auctions of like these
Speaker 1: random cards, and so TikTok is very dangerous, honestly, Like
Speaker 1: if you if the way that you buy stuff is
Speaker 1: you just set your thing up and then you just
Speaker 1: click buy and it buys it. I was, it's very
Speaker 1: dangerous for someone who doesn't who just wants to buy
Speaker 1: random cards, like it's it's definitely you know, if you're
Speaker 1: a collector who wants to start a collection, it's probably
Speaker 1: a decent way.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's probably one of the cheaper ways.
Speaker 1: Like if you buy three or four cards from the
Speaker 1: same person, you're probably getting you know, you know, you're
Speaker 1: paying shipping probably like four bucks ish, depending on how
Speaker 1: many cards you're buying. But yeah, I mean I've just
Speaker 1: been buying like random, random stuff, so I've been getting
Speaker 1: which is kind of rare for me. I mean because
Speaker 1: usually I'm buying stuff on eBay, so I'll get one
Speaker 1: or two packages in the mail every couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: depending on how much I'm buying. This past like two
Speaker 1: or three weeks, I've been getting like two or three
Speaker 1: packages a week, which it's always fun to, you know,
Speaker 1: open those up and be like, oh, I remember I
Speaker 1: remember buying this, like this fun to fun for that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I've also been trying to sell
Speaker 1: sell some stuff on TikTok Live, which I set up
Speaker 1: like a shop, and I've been trying to do some
Speaker 1: live auctions and the first one I did went fine.
Speaker 1: I really only sold two cards, but still trying to
Speaker 1: work out the work out some of the details and
Speaker 1: figure all that stuff out.
Speaker 5: And it's been kind of fun fun doing that kind
Speaker 5: of stuff.
Speaker 4: And you can combine shipping on TikTok.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think that they if you buy like four cards,
Speaker 1: I think that it combines all the shipping.
Speaker 5: I don't think you pay at least I hope not.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't honestly with the one dollar cards,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of bad at like checking to see how
Speaker 1: much I actually got charged on them, to be honest.
Speaker 1: So like, I don't think if I bought four cards,
Speaker 1: I don't think I spent like seven sixteen dollars. I
Speaker 1: think it ends up being like eight or nine dollars.
Speaker 1: Most of the time just based on the amount of
Speaker 1: packages and I know how much I have in my PayPal.
Speaker 5: I think that is probably the case.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so definitely definitely some fun stuff. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so Victor, for you are you have you
Speaker 1: started getting ready for the National? I mean, I think
Speaker 1: I last week or two weeks ago I talked about
Speaker 1: the National. But it's only seventy five days away. It's
Speaker 1: each week it's kind of getting closer and closer. So like,
Speaker 1: have you done any preparation, Like what's what's on your
Speaker 1: mind going into the National?
Speaker 4: You think, Yeah, I reserved my hotel last year, so
Speaker 4: all that's weird. I'm only really like an hour away
Speaker 4: from the place anyways, right right. But yeah, as far
Speaker 4: as the you know, curving and the spending and that
Speaker 4: kind of thing and getting some money, I have been
Speaker 4: being that the market is the way it is. I'm
Speaker 4: like Orlando, I've been letting go of some stuff that
Speaker 4: really doesn't mean much to me in my PC and
Speaker 4: just kind of focusing in, narrowing in on the stuff
Speaker 4: that actually does mean something to me, and kind of
Speaker 4: getting rid of the rest and just kind of building
Speaker 4: up the kitty to you know, to have more options
Speaker 4: at the National.
Speaker 5: Nice. Nice, Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Orlando, how about you, have you been doing any prep
Speaker 1: for the National? Like, what's what's kind of on your agenda?
Speaker 1: As we you know, seventy five days away, it's getting close.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty much set to go.
Speaker 3: I've got my hotel, I have booked my flight, trying
Speaker 3: to get a media pass or email all that, and
Speaker 3: then just really got to buy my tickets. But other
Speaker 3: than that, I'm good to go. And all I need
Speaker 3: now is some money to spend.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm working on right now.
Speaker 3: So I may even take some cards to this, to
Speaker 3: this little card show and see if I can pick
Speaker 3: a little bit of cash there too.
Speaker 5: Nice Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just wear like a shirt that says like funding
Speaker 1: for the National or something like that. Yeah, that way
Speaker 1: people know that's where that's where the money's going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're kind of coming up on the top of the
Speaker 1: hour here. I appreciate everybody sticking sticking through here. Where
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of tech issues. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I was looking at my CPU usage and
Speaker 1: it's just skyrocketed for some reason.
Speaker 5: I couldn't figure that out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, any if if you are still watching you
Speaker 1: know again, thirty thirty one people in here still watching live,
Speaker 1: make sure you leave a like on the video. Thank
Speaker 1: you everybody in the chat leaving comments. We definitely got
Speaker 1: some good stuff in there. Uh, definitely a fun week.
Speaker 1: We'll be back here on four Collectors next week. But
Speaker 1: I want to make sure you know I always do this,
Speaker 1: go back around the table. Let everybody promote themselves. Let
Speaker 1: everybody know what they got going on. I'll start with
Speaker 1: with you, Orlando. Like what you got going up going
Speaker 1: up this week? Anything you want to promote for the show?
Speaker 2: No, not much.
Speaker 3: I mean I'll be shooting some video at this show
Speaker 3: I'm going to and I've been putting up some videos
Speaker 3: at least a couple of videos a week. So I
Speaker 3: just check on my channel and leave me some comments
Speaker 3: and give me a like.
Speaker 1: And the channels A Collectors collect perfect yep, So go
Speaker 1: check go check out, go check out Orlando's channel. Like
Speaker 1: you said, been putting videos up, you know, same question,
Speaker 1: do you victor anything you want to promote?
Speaker 5: What you got?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Got what you got on the agenda coming up the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks? Like anything you want to promote
Speaker 1: for the show here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well not really, I got I usually when I'm
Speaker 4: done here on Saturdays is usually when I record my
Speaker 4: weekly Rookie Card Report episode for Sunday morning. So I'll
Speaker 4: be recording and editing this afternoon and schedule it for
Speaker 4: tomorrow and that just keeping on.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I got nothing really special planned hobby wise except for that.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go check then True RC's that's where they That's
Speaker 1: where everyone can find you all over the place, right.
Speaker 4: Victor the Rookie Card Specialist on YouTube or you can
Speaker 4: go to True Underscore r CS in any social media
Speaker 4: platform except.
Speaker 1: TikTok except tech talk. Yeah, I love that, yep. So
Speaker 1: I mean same kind of for me. I've got videos
Speaker 1: going up on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and then I'm doing
Speaker 1: stuff with sports cards nonsense. So kind of been trying
Speaker 1: to post a little bit more on every platform. It's
Speaker 1: just taking the video and posting it as much as
Speaker 1: I can. So you know, if you want to go
Speaker 1: check me out on any of those platforms. I've been
Speaker 1: trying to do a little bit of snapchat to and
Speaker 1: it's not really working very well. I don't know they
Speaker 1: have like a TikTok feature, but all the videos seem
Speaker 1: to not do very well, so I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: figure that out a little bit. But yeah, we'll be
Speaker 1: back here on the four Collectors YouTube channel for I
Speaker 1: guess it would be three forty eight. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: who the hosts are, but you know, check out our
Speaker 1: social media's at hobby hotline at four Collectors. That's where
Speaker 1: you'll be able to find who's gonna be hosted next week.
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Speaker 5: Oops.