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Speaker 4: How did folks, your host double jback here, coming at
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Speaker 4: airwebs once again, JJ Vance here host of Operation GCD,
Speaker 4: but perhaps more notably not the Vice President. I will
Speaker 4: be your pilot navigator here tonight, folks, for this shenani
Speaker 4: and infused journey into the mind of this particular garbage can. Dude,
Speaker 4: got a real barnburger on deck for your for you
Speaker 4: folks of the inner webs here tonight.
Speaker 3: So appreciate you, folks. Uh, you know, thanks for joining.
Speaker 4: Us here again to get a little GCD because we
Speaker 4: got accult an so so terror review of the nineteen
Speaker 4: eighty five cinematic masterpiece Back to the Future with an
Speaker 4: entire Occult Rejects lineup, including Nick, host of the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 5: Welcome Nick, Thank you, welcome, sir. You know I would
Speaker 5: have been really upset if you didn't consider this one
Speaker 5: a bar burner. I swear to God, I even had
Speaker 5: that in my head. If he does not use barm
Speaker 5: burner for this, I'm gonna say something.
Speaker 3: No, this is definitely this is definitely a barn Burger.
Speaker 3: This is definitely a barn Burger.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And we got a whole, like I said, a whole
Speaker 4: occult rejects lineup so here to get GCD. We got
Speaker 4: jent Ope that's not Jen the Ninja, wrong one and
Speaker 4: Jen the Ninja Welcome, Welcome Jen.
Speaker 6: Thank you so muchj and Nick for having me on.
Speaker 6: And I absolutely love doing these episodes. I know people
Speaker 6: on Twitter are always so excited when it's like a
Speaker 6: group of us. I think it's like the five for me.
Speaker 6: I know I won't give your secret away, Nick, but
Speaker 6: I know I'm the Carl. What episode we use a
Speaker 6: different hermetic number? I should say we, but someone did.
Speaker 6: But five for me is a perfect traumatic number. So
Speaker 6: I appreciate that we can do these kind of roundtable
Speaker 6: esoteric reviews, and I think they're really hot and people
Speaker 6: love them. So thank you so much for guys for
Speaker 6: having me on.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, host of the Threshold Saints and the
Speaker 4: fellow occult reject there and I definitely appreciate your all
Speaker 4: insight in the last one.
Speaker 2: We did well.
Speaker 3: We've done a couple of.
Speaker 4: Good ones recently, right, we did a little uh, Big Trouble,
Speaker 4: Little China, and we also did a little Golden Child,
Speaker 4: So those are great ones. I enjoyed those myself. Next
Speaker 4: time we got I do you Love? Host of the
Speaker 4: Unfiltered Rise podcast and fellow a cult reject.
Speaker 3: How you doing, Heidi?
Speaker 2: Welcome.
Speaker 3: I'm happy for joining media Llow GCD.
Speaker 2: Here your first appearance, by the way, Yeah, I'm excited
Speaker 2: to be here and on Operation at GCD.
Speaker 1: That is right, right, because we've done Fridays, this is
Speaker 1: a different one and we're just always together.
Speaker 4: It's so fun countless other cult reject shows, right, So,
Speaker 4: if you can introduce the Unfiltered Rise podcast to the
Speaker 4: Operation GCD audience that perhaps is not familiar.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm
Speaker 1: also an ex Mormon, just like JJ, and I talk
Speaker 1: a lot about that on my show, but I also
Speaker 1: do kind of a whole multitude of different things. Anything
Speaker 1: that strikes my fancy, especially like Mormon mafia, weird stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a garbage can too.
Speaker 4: And some great parapolitics stuff, especially relative to the from JFK.
Speaker 3: To Whitewater, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And I think you know, I have a general annoised
Speaker 4: theory that everything kind of goes back through that Whitewater
Speaker 4: threading to JFK. So what we're dealing with today.
Speaker 2: That is absolutely absolutely well.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for being here. I love everyone here,
Speaker 1: all the rejects and boss.
Speaker 2: Thank you, there you go.
Speaker 4: Thank you last, but not least, and no particular order
Speaker 4: a cos me pete. Julia, welcome to Operation GCD. Your
Speaker 4: first appearance as well. Much like Heidi, we've done some
Speaker 4: Fridays and plenty of Occult reject shows, but thanks for joining.
Speaker 2: Me yetle BCD. There Julia looking.
Speaker 7: Forward to We did the Golden Child gather right, Holy smokes,
Speaker 7: you were on the gold seat.
Speaker 3: Now here we go.
Speaker 4: I was just telling Hidi yesterday about that Ed Cassis
Speaker 4: show we were doing Occult Rejects. I thought she was there,
Speaker 4: so I keep I keep replacing who was in these shows,
Speaker 4: so I do apology.
Speaker 5: Everybody here could probably even a test how many times
Speaker 5: I'll text him be like, did I ask you for
Speaker 5: this show? I can't even remember even I write it down,
Speaker 5: I forget there.
Speaker 4: I mean not not just one second there, Julia. Yesterday
Speaker 4: I was in a podcast with doing some Mormon paradpolitics
Speaker 4: and society Cincinnati conversations on the sixth Century podcast with Heidi.
Speaker 2: There was a fellow guest.
Speaker 4: And I kept referencing in the show that that show
Speaker 4: what we did with ed Cassis and she she finally says,
Speaker 4: I wasn't there.
Speaker 3: I was like, go, shoot, you weren't there?
Speaker 5: Like, how long do I play along with this?
Speaker 2: This is my favorite thing?
Speaker 1: He said in my brain, you were there, you should
Speaker 1: have been there, And I'm like, I was off of work.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, shoot I was.
Speaker 3: I apologize, Julia.
Speaker 8: No, It's it's all good in the hood. I'm just
Speaker 8: happy to be here. I'm for this movie. I got
Speaker 8: a lot of cool notes and what the fuck's up everybody?
Speaker 8: I'm excited.
Speaker 4: What's the What's what's going on the Cosmic Peach podcast
Speaker 4: as of late?
Speaker 3: What's the focus?
Speaker 2: I'm actually the.
Speaker 3: Subjects you've been interested as As a late.
Speaker 8: I'm working on a I don't know if I'm gonna
Speaker 8: do three or four parts, because I always try to
Speaker 8: do four parts, but this one might be three parts.
Speaker 8: But I'm working on a new series about sleep paralysis
Speaker 8: and uh, demonic and paranormal experiences. So that's a new
Speaker 8: focus right now, and that that series should be dropping
Speaker 8: next month. So I'm actually really excited about that.
Speaker 3: That's so exciting for you. Again, I appreciate y'all joining me.
Speaker 4: I got to one plug real quick, real fast before
Speaker 4: we get started, and that's uh my upcoming Sunday show
Speaker 4: eight pm on Sundays, Operation GCD Live Sundays, and first
Speaker 4: first episode this Sundays, the Curse of Robert the Doll.
Speaker 4: So this is my uh Patreon my new Patreon series
Speaker 4: here on Sunday, So that'll be in the show notes
Speaker 4: along with all your all's links as well.
Speaker 5: You know, what the hell is he?
Speaker 2: Where are you scared?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: Are you scared to start that crap up over there?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't like looking at a photo of Robert.
Speaker 4: That's why I muppetize him in the first place, even
Speaker 4: though I've been on a real muppet trend as of late.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Uh, I sleep well at night, but thinking about this
Speaker 4: damn thing and the curse, I don't know if I
Speaker 4: sleep that great the last couple of nights. But I'm
Speaker 4: looking at an I was about to say, speaking of
Speaker 4: sleep foralysis, Robert might be haunting me in that too. No,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to approach it. This more of a cathartic experience.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Uh, Julia had It invited me onto her show to
Speaker 4: discuss the matter. I'm like, all right, well, let me
Speaker 4: get all my thoughts on it firstly, put it down
Speaker 4: in order, and then I'll be happy. I'll be happy
Speaker 4: to join you there, Julie. After the Sunday's The Curse
Speaker 4: of the Robert.
Speaker 2: Doll operations sounds good.
Speaker 4: So, but tonight we're talking about the nineteen eighty five
Speaker 4: cinematic masterpiece, Back to the Future. And I believe this
Speaker 4: really started, uh to a conversation. I mean, We've been
Speaker 4: doing these occult esoteric views here. I'm a big fan
Speaker 4: of film and just telling stories and the way stories
Speaker 4: are told in the first place, and you know and
Speaker 4: kind of uh, you know these I love the ideas
Speaker 4: of time. So this this, you know, this movie has
Speaker 4: always been a big, big interest of mine. But this
Speaker 4: really started off with a conversation Nick and I had.
Speaker 4: I think we were doing some disc golfing, and he
Speaker 4: was making a reference to how how often or the
Speaker 4: the use of the term.
Speaker 3: Spooky that I that I was.
Speaker 4: I often call the la you know, the intelligent sagancies
Speaker 4: or lack of intelligence agencies, the I call them, you know, spooky,
Speaker 4: you know, spooky operations, et cetera. And Uh, Nick, you know,
Speaker 4: Nick thought I was you know, at first we heard
Speaker 4: me saying that he was telling me that he thought
Speaker 4: I was making some sort of derogatory and racial reference
Speaker 4: of some of your I.
Speaker 5: Was like, when I was a kid and I heard
Speaker 5: my whatever grown ups say that it was that was.
Speaker 4: A common note nomenclature there a few decades ago for
Speaker 4: you know, for some you know, but I I suppose
Speaker 4: about the same as.
Speaker 3: The N word, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So as soon as he said that to me, I
Speaker 4: thought of the film Back to the Future. So I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, well, yeah, just like Back to the Future. Right,
Speaker 4: So that's kind of That's kind of what where he
Speaker 4: and I first started talking about the Uh there's a
Speaker 4: cult esoteric review of uh the film. But I'd like
Speaker 4: to hear where we're y'all were first interested in in this,
Speaker 4: you know, starting off, Nick, where where did. Uh you know,
Speaker 4: was this a film you were always a big fan
Speaker 4: of since you were a child, or did you see
Speaker 4: this in the theaters?
Speaker 5: I don't think I saw it in the theaters, but no,
Speaker 5: I mean it was definitely a movie that I had,
Speaker 5: like on a VHS tape that I watched multiple times,
Speaker 5: you know. Yeah, it was a classic for me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that that in the second one I did. I did
Speaker 5: enjoy it. Everyone was a little because of the train,
Speaker 5: but I did.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was huge. I mean I feel like,
Speaker 5: maybe what was that eighty five, so I was seven.
Speaker 5: I mean around that time. I think it's kind of
Speaker 5: silly how I felt like at that time you were
Speaker 5: kind of seeing the world spring I think forward in
Speaker 5: a sense too, Like it's hard to explain, but around
Speaker 5: that time, I even feel like with music and just
Speaker 5: what was going on in the world, it was changing
Speaker 5: as well, So I guess like that was like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is what's to come in the future. I don't know,
Speaker 5: it just seemed very nostalgic, you know, at the time,
Speaker 5: even watching it then. But yeah, that's all I got.
Speaker 5: I think jj frowzp I cut out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I there was a very sci fi
Speaker 4: futuristic aspect to this. I remember as a child thinking, like,
Speaker 4: especially with the second one, I'm gonna I'm gonna need
Speaker 4: me one of those hoverboards, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like, you know there's things will be around in the future, right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's kind of funny because twenty fifteen is much like
Speaker 4: the I don't think we've really gotten that more technologically
Speaker 4: advanced outside of some cell phone right technologies, Right, it's
Speaker 4: big of.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, it's not like we thought. Yeah, no, I.
Speaker 4: Said, I think this was the first film that I
Speaker 4: ever saw at the theater. I know, I know, I
Speaker 4: saw the second one in the theater, and like you
Speaker 4: were saying, I wore the VHS out on this one
Speaker 4: for sure. I'm pretty sure this was the first film
Speaker 4: I saw at the theater, but I would have been
Speaker 4: I would have been almost six. So, Jen, Jen, when
Speaker 4: did when did you first find out you're a big,
Speaker 4: big fan of Back to the Future. Is this something
Speaker 4: you've been a big fan of? Is you know your
Speaker 4: whole life as a child or what are you talking
Speaker 4: about here?
Speaker 6: So I'm a nineties kid, obviously, and I watched it
Speaker 6: in the nineties, and I think I liked it, Like
Speaker 6: it's to me, I wasn't sure, like when you were like,
Speaker 6: do you want to do this? Of course I want
Speaker 6: to do our movie reviews. It's like the most fun
Speaker 6: thing we do pretty much everybody, right, So you know,
Speaker 6: of course I want to do it. But I didn't
Speaker 6: know how much I could add to it for through
Speaker 6: this film, simply because of my unfamiliarity with it. But
Speaker 6: then Nick, being the great boss that he is, sent
Speaker 6: me his great notes and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 6: You're like yeah, okay, And then I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: this actually totally makes sense. This is like I can
Speaker 6: follow his bolistic logic from like beginning to end, and
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, these are the same things that
Speaker 6: I thought were really interesting. So I mean, I feel
Speaker 6: like I'll just be more riffing tonight and like let
Speaker 6: everybody else who is really into the film that go,
Speaker 6: but I definitely will like how I'll add where I
Speaker 6: have to add. And so for me, back to the
Speaker 6: future is we'll call it true Chino because I know
Speaker 6: you love that JJ for this you know, esoteric or
Speaker 6: cult review, but I'm not sure if it's a true
Speaker 6: Chino for me. But I really liked it, I have
Speaker 6: to say, in rewatch, like which is just yesterday. So
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it. I thought it was weird and as
Speaker 6: eighties as I remembered, right, and maybe sorry JJ, no.
Speaker 4: I'll say, so, when did you pers So you saw
Speaker 4: kind of the whole trilogy? Then maybe you know all
Speaker 4: at once then, right, you didn't have to wait between
Speaker 4: the trilogies.
Speaker 6: Then it's interesting because I even watched the trilogy in
Speaker 6: anticipation for this episode because I was like I needed
Speaker 6: to kind of know, like I have to know the canon,
Speaker 6: like have a familiarity with like the text. Right, So
Speaker 6: I guess I must have watched them on VHS or DVD,
Speaker 6: because like I'm more DVD era. But yeah, we definitely
Speaker 6: I definitely had VHS. I'm kidding, so, but I must
Speaker 6: have watched.
Speaker 4: But there was no antist You didn't have to wait
Speaker 4: like anticipating the next one coming out there, right, because
Speaker 4: there was always the to be continued with a like
Speaker 4: a cliffhanger scene.
Speaker 2: Right the end.
Speaker 6: No, So I'm not, I'm not. I'm not old enough
Speaker 6: to yet be like affected by the cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: That was very impactful on my childhood, and I'm not
Speaker 4: I was very hyped, very hyped. So so, Julia, when
Speaker 4: did you first discover the Back to the Future And
Speaker 4: were you in a similar situation as Jen where you
Speaker 4: weren't left with a bunch of cliffhangers because I'd asked
Speaker 4: the same to hide? Yeah, I think I know the answer.
Speaker 8: Well, shit, I just turned thirty, but I still identify
Speaker 8: as twenty nine. My pronouns are forever and young. And
Speaker 8: so my my brother and sister grew up in the eighties,
Speaker 8: and so when I was really little, they would play
Speaker 8: like all the great eighties movies. For me, I didn't
Speaker 8: have to wait. I just watched them all. Back to
Speaker 8: back to back, Back to the Future, Back to the
Speaker 8: Future two, Back to the Future three. My favorite is
Speaker 8: actually car Probably no, it's the first one. In the
Speaker 8: third one, actually, did you see what?
Speaker 3: Did you grow up with that? There was?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 4: Was that a cartoon in your childhood too? What the
Speaker 4: cartoon version of Back to the Future?
Speaker 8: I never fucked with it, but I will say I
Speaker 8: was super obsessed with the movies, and actually I kind
Speaker 8: of had like a little bit of a crush on
Speaker 8: Michael J. Fox there for a minute because it was
Speaker 8: like teen Wolf and like some of those other like
Speaker 8: really cool eighties movies that he was doing. And so yeah,
Speaker 8: gee for sure, And I actually have a little bit
Speaker 8: of a story about that when we get into like
Speaker 8: stuff about the movie with Michael J.
Speaker 2: Fox.
Speaker 8: But yeah, no, dude, I loved Back to the Future
Speaker 8: the first one. In the third one, like I said,
Speaker 8: my fave. I didn't grow up in the eighties, but
Speaker 8: I definitely fucked with it heavy. I love all the
Speaker 8: eighties stuff.
Speaker 4: Nice, nice, well, last but not least hide, He went,
Speaker 4: when did you discover the Back to the Futures? And
Speaker 4: were you as affected by these cliffhangers as I was?
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely. I think I'm the oldest one on the panel.
Speaker 1: So I was like, this is crazy cool, and like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope we have flying cars and all this fun.
Speaker 1: The second one, like it was just yeah. The third one,
Speaker 1: You're right, it's just not it doesn't hit the third
Speaker 1: one love me anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so but it was so I appreciate more than
Speaker 2: I like other sequels.
Speaker 4: But I agree with you. I think the first two
Speaker 4: or they were more of a home run. I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 8: How can you not like the third one. It's like
Speaker 8: the perfect.
Speaker 5: Ending, the good one about that Doc.
Speaker 8: They I mean, they ended it enough for me to
Speaker 8: be satisfied with their not being a fourth one.
Speaker 5: They're making a remake, supposedly.
Speaker 8: I'm not interested in a remake. They ruin everything and
Speaker 8: they put their woke bullshit in it. When they make remakes,
Speaker 8: they're going to cast a black guy to play Marty
Speaker 8: McFly and they're gonna have some tranny playing.
Speaker 2: Doc And I don't want it.
Speaker 8: I just don't want it.
Speaker 2: Leave it alone.
Speaker 3: It's funny you mentioned that. It's funny you mentioned that, Julie.
Speaker 4: Have you you all familiar with the Back to the
Speaker 4: Future musical that's that has a big thing.
Speaker 8: Is there a tranny playing Doc Brown? Because I don't
Speaker 8: want to know.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: But much like in this film we've discussed.
Speaker 4: In the Back to the Future film, you know, it's
Speaker 4: weird that Marty McFly goes back in time and he's
Speaker 4: kind of like got a thing with his mother's got
Speaker 4: falls in love with him, and so there's this kind
Speaker 4: of incestual thing. Well, in the Broadway musical version and
Speaker 4: the Broadway musical version, I think he went back in
Speaker 4: time and his dad had.
Speaker 3: A thing for him.
Speaker 4: Oh no, said that it's not overtly that way. But
Speaker 4: like I mean, I'll show you a clip here just
Speaker 4: you know, standing by police one second.
Speaker 7: Yike, I got a I got a clip of exactly
Speaker 7: what is not gay?
Speaker 4: Well, well, the Broadway version probably is. But I hear
Speaker 4: what you're saying, so isn't it it is? It is
Speaker 4: kind of fascinating how much this is spawned a cultural
Speaker 4: phenomenon there, right, like this this film, you know here
Speaker 4: it is you know, forty years you know later, right
Speaker 4: almost right? I think was July third of nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 4: right that they released this film.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's crazy still right, and it's it's
Speaker 3: still very impactful because, like I said, they're doing Broadway musicals.
Speaker 4: You know, if you all recall in the film, you know,
Speaker 4: in the in the sequels they go to October fifteenth,
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, right, which.
Speaker 8: Everybody freaked out on that, for example life on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Oh it's October fifteen, two thousand fifty.
Speaker 4: Well they even did things like I Got a clipper.
Speaker 4: They even did things like this on the Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 4: Show on that date.
Speaker 5: WHOA of course, to my calculations, this is the year
Speaker 5: two thousan fifteen, Mardy the Future.
Speaker 4: That's so I mean, you know this was you know,
Speaker 4: it's right, wrong or different whenever you think of Jimmy Kimmel.
Speaker 3: That's a big audience. They're doing this on, you know,
Speaker 3: as a you know.
Speaker 4: Tribute to this culture that was created, I think, and
Speaker 4: it is the sci fi culture in general, but I
Speaker 4: mean it is specifically this film.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 4: I think the esoteric elements that we're going to be
Speaker 4: discussing here this evening, some of these occult and or
Speaker 4: esoteric elements, is these these things that are embedded in
Speaker 4: the storyline of the film is what makes it so
Speaker 4: much time you know time, you know, standing through time
Speaker 4: as far as being a good story, great you know,
Speaker 4: told in a great film, right, And yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: I don't know what uh, I don't know. I've ever
Speaker 4: met someone who's like, oh, yeah, back to the I've
Speaker 4: seen Back to Future and it's super dumb, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, Like because I think you see that
Speaker 4: with some of the air sci fi stuff. But I
Speaker 4: mean it is a very wide what I'm saying has
Speaker 4: a wide ranging audience for sci fi folks, right, Like
Speaker 4: you don't have to be a Star Wars person or
Speaker 4: a Star Trek person to be kind of, you know,
Speaker 4: into this, I think, into this idea of back to
Speaker 4: the Future and time travel and it's so.
Speaker 8: Embedded in pop culture.
Speaker 2: Oh sorry, no, that's okay, Please go ahead.
Speaker 8: Oh I was just gonna say, it's so embedded in
Speaker 8: pop culture, you know, like a lot of movies still
Speaker 8: reference things from Back to the Future. So yeah, it's
Speaker 8: it's definitely timeless for.
Speaker 3: Sure, Jim were what were gonna say there?
Speaker 6: Basically just echoing both you and Julia's thing that it was.
Speaker 6: It's it's a cultural phenomenon. Like, and I agree with you,
Speaker 6: this film has such wide ranging appeal. But I didn't
Speaker 6: actually think of it as a sci fi film. I
Speaker 6: was of and but it is. But it really is
Speaker 6: a science speculative fiction film. Maybe not a science fiction
Speaker 6: film as we would like normally think of it, maybe
Speaker 6: not like total recall science fiction, but it is a
Speaker 6: speculative fiction So from that angle, actually, now I'm like
Speaker 6: very like, oh, okay, can like that?
Speaker 3: Am I back?
Speaker 2: Yeah you're back.
Speaker 8: Did you hear what Jin said?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, I just started storming here, real real bad. What
Speaker 4: were you saying? Jim, can you can you repeat that
Speaker 4: for me?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, no problem, jj. I just was saying, it is
Speaker 6: a sci fi film, but it's more of a speculative
Speaker 6: fiction film. Then it's like a total recall, which would
Speaker 6: be like a high science fiction because of sudden space
Speaker 6: philipkay Dick's travel. Right, So this is really a speculative
Speaker 6: fiction film. So people don't You're totally right. And when
Speaker 6: you said that, people don't have to enjoy science fiction
Speaker 6: to go watch this film. But the film really is oxial,
Speaker 6: like science fiction is oxial to the whole film.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I'm glad to pointed that out because because when not
Speaker 4: before before we get into the actual you know, characters
Speaker 4: and plotline of the film, I'm gonna I would like
Speaker 4: to say this on our own little.
Speaker 2: Trip back to the future and go over.
Speaker 4: How this sci fi stuff began and how this stuff
Speaker 4: was impacted in which to the culture which to even
Speaker 4: create this film?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: What what what's the backstory on that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: How?
Speaker 3: How did the how did the nature of these tales
Speaker 3: even come about? Where?
Speaker 4: Where's the root of science fiction? Where's the root of
Speaker 4: these ideas of time travel? And strangely enough, it largely
Speaker 4: revolves around a fellow that I described last week in
Speaker 4: Operation GCD Live in My In My Tales of Cocaine,
Speaker 4: Bob Evans meets Marvel Comics is DC Marvel Comics, thelema
Speaker 4: fan fiction that was all focused around a fellow by
Speaker 4: the name of Forrest j Ackerman. He's actually known as
Speaker 4: mister science Fiction, and he's the guy who.
Speaker 3: Coined the term science fiction.
Speaker 4: So I'm glad you pointed that out, because we're gonna
Speaker 4: be getting into a little bit of that. Did anyone
Speaker 4: else have any more any more opening comments or statements here?
Speaker 4: Before we do a quick quick clip of the trailer
Speaker 4: to the film, you know, just to get folks that
Speaker 4: refreshed on the who doesn't know, back to the future.
Speaker 4: But if folks the interwebs are out there, who don't
Speaker 4: I have a brief clip in which to refresh folks memories.
Speaker 4: But if anyone else has any other comments before we
Speaker 4: do that, please feel free.
Speaker 3: We're good, all right?
Speaker 4: Actually, you know what, I'm glad I sipped myself there
Speaker 4: for a second, because once again, this is how this
Speaker 4: whole conversation began.
Speaker 2: I have a clip of that first. That's for messing
Speaker 2: up my.
Speaker 6: Home the hell.
Speaker 3: Are you doing to my are hey? Beat it spook.
Speaker 2: Just don't concern you who you call it spook? Take
Speaker 2: a wood?
Speaker 6: Hey hey listen, guys, look, I don't want to mess
Speaker 6: with no reforatics.
Speaker 3: Okay, I.
Speaker 5: Do you ever hear that? Do you ever hear the
Speaker 5: Peckerwoods before?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I'm not now.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they're a group I met in prison as well.
Speaker 5: They hung out with the Odinis.
Speaker 8: They all have like themselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah they have like what wood. Yeah, they have like
Speaker 5: white pecker whatdy woodpecker tattoos and ship out of here.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'd never heard of that.
Speaker 4: I just crack up because you know that is uh,
Speaker 4: you know, the term spook is obviously you don't know
Speaker 4: how long it goes back to with intelligence operations.
Speaker 3: I presume that back that far.
Speaker 4: But it's that's the term I know for intelligence operations,
Speaker 4: not the you know, the the reference from Back to
Speaker 4: the Future. But it cracks me up, and that seems
Speaker 4: very kind of import and the whole narrative because you know,
Speaker 4: Michael J. Fox's character Marty McFly gets locked in that trunk,
Speaker 4: and it is that trunk that's an epicode that being
Speaker 4: locked in that Trunk's an epicenter of activity that you know,
Speaker 4: I don't want to I don't want to confuse mess folks.
Speaker 4: Brain holds up at the moment, trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: explain time and how this you know that seems imperative
Speaker 4: to this whole circular nature of time in this film,
Speaker 4: because I'm sure we'll get into that at some point.
Speaker 4: But I, you know, I think that is a very
Speaker 4: important scene. It's not just comical to me in that regard.
Speaker 4: I think it's an important scene in the whole the
Speaker 4: whole business. But I got a quick clip here for
Speaker 4: the uh, you know, just to describe the storyline from
Speaker 4: the original the original.
Speaker 3: Trailer Steven Spielberger's ass Back to the Future Robertson Macer's film,
Speaker 3: Marty leads an ordinary life. You will looks fly ever
Speaker 3: amount to anything in the history of Ill Valley.
Speaker 6: You known change, and nineteen eighty five is not.
Speaker 2: He is a year, but doctor Brown is about to.
Speaker 3: Change all that.
Speaker 2: Are you telling me you got the time machine, Victoria.
Speaker 3: He's sending Marty thirteen years back in time.
Speaker 4: So I figured that was a good encapsulation of what,
Speaker 4: at least the baseline of the film is the folks
Speaker 4: that they are not familiar with it, but it is
Speaker 4: still us.
Speaker 3: This is still one of my favorite films. I'm not Claudia.
Speaker 3: I get excited just watching.
Speaker 8: The trailer me too, And I've watched it twice within
Speaker 8: the last twenty four hours preparing for this and love
Speaker 8: every moment of it. But I don't know what it
Speaker 8: means by Steven Spielberg presents a Robert Mechas film, but
Speaker 8: that means he was in some way tied into what
Speaker 8: the production of it.
Speaker 4: Or y was produced by Amble and Entertainment, which was
Speaker 4: owned by Spielberg, with a minority answers byes the Mechas.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, the Mecca's hides in every film he's in period.
Speaker 3: Exactly is the Meccas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He was Spielberg's protege and Bob Gail was best friends.
Speaker 4: Was a Mecchas because Bob Gail, much like some of
Speaker 4: the actors in this film, Bob Glee, seems to have
Speaker 4: distanced himself from Hollywood, away from Za mecchas an Spielberg,
Speaker 4: just like Crispin Glover, the actor who played George McFly,
Speaker 4: and the female actress that played m Martin McFly's love
Speaker 4: interest to Jennifer, whose name I can't think of at
Speaker 4: the moment.
Speaker 3: They both left after the first one, and years later
Speaker 3: we'll get into some of this in a little bit here.
Speaker 2: Years later, it would be alleged by.
Speaker 4: The Crazy Days and Nights Entertainment lawyer Fellow that it
Speaker 4: was all revolving around kids stuff and we're ambling Entertainment
Speaker 4: and Spielberg were having a bunch of children audition for
Speaker 4: the film when there wasn't any children parts. So and
Speaker 4: Krispin Glover made a bit of it, an issue of
Speaker 4: it on set, and et cetera, et cetera. But there's
Speaker 4: that's a whole that's a whole, big narrative there. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's actually.
Speaker 8: That was my first note that I have is that
Speaker 8: Crispin Glover actually wrote a letter that you can go
Speaker 8: and read. Anybody can go and read it. He wrote
Speaker 8: a letter to Steven Spielberg and I'm assuming it was
Speaker 8: after Back to the Future about the kid's stuff and
Speaker 8: the weirdness.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Got to look long and hard for that letter, because
Speaker 4: I thought you could read it. It took me a
Speaker 4: minut to find out to go to the web archive.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's nice website back in two thousand and five.
Speaker 8: It's not easily accessible, but it is out there.
Speaker 3: And he did the show notes.
Speaker 8: You have it in the show notes, I will.
Speaker 3: I haven't put it there yet. I've been really lazy
Speaker 3: about that today, but I haven't.
Speaker 2: I haven't available.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put it in after the show.
Speaker 2: Oh, I haven't available.
Speaker 8: I've talked about that before, and so is Sean McCann
Speaker 8: about how Crispin Glover wrote this letter to to Steven
Speaker 8: Spielberg about this kind of stuff. And I really like
Speaker 8: Crispin Glover. I think he's hilarious.
Speaker 3: Sure that very go ahead.
Speaker 8: Oh, I was just gonna say I watched another movie
Speaker 8: recently with him in it, and it just made me
Speaker 8: love him even more. Like I feel like he's a
Speaker 8: no nonsense kind of guy.
Speaker 3: He seems that way, right.
Speaker 4: He seems that way because he really diships himself from
Speaker 4: Hollywood in the whole Spielberg franchise. So to that note again,
Speaker 4: and we'll go into some more of that here in
Speaker 4: a minute. But the you know, Crispin Glover really uh
Speaker 4: hate he was responsible for a landmark lawsuit for actors'
Speaker 4: rights there in Hollywood as far as The Back of
Speaker 4: the Future too went because he used his likeness against
Speaker 4: against without any permission.
Speaker 3: So this that's a whole nother matter as well, but again.
Speaker 4: Involves these producers, right, involves this trio of folks, Bob Gail,
Speaker 4: you know, Roberts, Mechas, Steven Spielberg, and really you can
Speaker 4: toss George Lucas into that, even though he's not involved
Speaker 4: in this film, he is kind of the third wheel
Speaker 4: there with some Mechas and Spielberg. They're all kind of
Speaker 4: a trio. So interesting stuf because then you're dealing with
Speaker 4: Star Wars, right with with the Spielberg, Lucas and stuff, right,
Speaker 4: and then you know that's, uh, that's kind of all
Speaker 4: interesting to me in the sci fi in these sci
Speaker 4: fi respects. So the I guess we could start off there,
Speaker 4: right some of that sci fi stuff.
Speaker 6: Well, let me just when you were saying that sci
Speaker 6: fi stuff, because that's obviously very interesting to me from
Speaker 6: a metafiction perspective, is that I never really thought of
Speaker 6: it before, and I don't know why. I guess I'm
Speaker 6: not a true Star Wars enjoyer, which is tolly true.
Speaker 6: I actually don't really like Star Wars, but you can
Speaker 6: actually look at Star Wars in a really interesting cabalistic
Speaker 6: way and the like dualities like that, how dualistic it is,
Speaker 6: and how like it's very it's very like clipathic and
Speaker 6: like Tree of Life at the same time. It's like
Speaker 6: showing you both, but it's showing you kind of like
Speaker 6: the retard version.
Speaker 3: Okay, can you explain it?
Speaker 6: Really, It's like it's like very fastile. It's like, oh
Speaker 6: you just you get there through this, like it's kind
Speaker 6: kind of syncretic, right, Like he the joke is is
Speaker 6: that he was reading the e Chang as he wrote
Speaker 6: that film, right, but they were obviously they were obviously
Speaker 6: reading other things. And give me a break, it's not
Speaker 6: just the eaching. But you know, so the reality is
Speaker 6: it has these mataghysical themes. Like absolutely, people will fight
Speaker 6: me about it, but it really does. But it's not
Speaker 6: very deep. It's not like truly deep. It's not like
Speaker 6: actually studying like I think.
Speaker 3: You can journey that. Marty McFly goes on, No.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm talking about Star Wars and just how
Speaker 6: that is interesting. You were making like the thing where
Speaker 6: it's like a parallel.
Speaker 4: What's kind of similar, right, because there's kind of a
Speaker 4: hero story between the two characters, right, Skywalker and Marty McFly,
Speaker 4: And Martin.
Speaker 6: McFly is a more interesting hero because he's a little
Speaker 6: I agree with American, right, he's just something much more
Speaker 6: interesting about him, much more relatable. There's nothing really related
Speaker 6: all about Luke Skywalker to anyone. It's like, that's what
Speaker 6: I was trying to get out. I'm sorry I went
Speaker 6: on the.
Speaker 3: Town now you're good.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It's that the Luke Skywalker is kind of the messianic figure, right.
Speaker 6: No one can ever live up to that because it's
Speaker 6: too pristine from the beginning. So Marty McFly, he has
Speaker 6: a girlfriend. He's probably had said probly, you know, like
Speaker 6: he's lived his life, and it's like that's much more
Speaker 6: it's just much more relatable, I think, right.
Speaker 2: Right, girlfriend's not his sister.
Speaker 4: So well, that's that's a good kind of analysis and
Speaker 4: what we're going into here. Does anyone else have anything
Speaker 4: to share a kind of that regard kind of just
Speaker 4: your overview of what you saw in these things, just
Speaker 4: not the particular necessarily, but you know, kind of a
Speaker 4: meta analysis of what you looked at.
Speaker 1: I definitely see a mystical journey like a Heroes for
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, you know, with the time travel, a lot of.
Speaker 2: NASA like stuff.
Speaker 1: Their space stuff gonna pop in big time with the
Speaker 1: Dad and the book. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: saw when he comes back, but when he comes back
Speaker 1: and everything changes the books about space and how he
Speaker 1: met his wife, it's like space lovers or something. And
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like divine, a lot of divine you know, intervention.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 4: Go I got that's you're definitely reading my mind there,
Speaker 4: because I got some massive stuff on deck force here
Speaker 4: in the sci fi background of this film.
Speaker 8: I put down a lot of like about the predictive
Speaker 8: programming type stuff that they snuck in there, Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 8: and I have like a few notes on that, and
Speaker 8: then I have a few notes of.
Speaker 1: Like how.
Speaker 8: How they chose specific times and even stuff in the
Speaker 8: background to me looked a little bit on purpose. So sure,
Speaker 8: but I did want to say they took a lot
Speaker 8: of time to make sure that this movie was perfect
Speaker 8: and everything was very much on purpose. And something a
Speaker 8: lot of people don't know is that another actor besides
Speaker 8: Michael J. Fox filmed half of this movie and was
Speaker 8: on the way to finishing the movie before they said
Speaker 8: you chuck dicks, we hate you, fuck off and they
Speaker 8: recasted him with Michael J.
Speaker 5: Fox.
Speaker 3: Can you talking about Eric Stoltz?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I don't know it. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 8: another big eighties movie, some kind of wonderful. I don't
Speaker 8: know if you guys watched that, but he's he's the
Speaker 8: main guy in some kind of wonderful And he was
Speaker 8: supposed to be Martin McFly.
Speaker 2: This one was masked, right, yes, mask wine of yes, yes, Rocky.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so he was supposed to be Marty McFly. He
Speaker 8: got like halfway through making the movie before they told
Speaker 8: him he sucked Dix and got rid of him and
Speaker 8: recasted him with Michael J.
Speaker 4: Fox.
Speaker 8: But like, everything they did was very intentional, was very
Speaker 8: on purpose.
Speaker 4: You sure was the sucond Deck thing. He looks a
Speaker 4: little along in the face to me. Maybe that's why
Speaker 4: they recast him.
Speaker 8: But I only say that to say every move that
Speaker 8: they made was very purposeful, and they had to get
Speaker 8: it right, they had to make it perfect. So I
Speaker 8: think that's also really interesting.
Speaker 4: Well, I'd like to put a pin in that note
Speaker 4: there real quick, Julia and have you what are you
Speaker 4: what are your thoughts on this? You're talking about predictive
Speaker 4: programming they did. Now it's technically it's number two. You
Speaker 4: see this really manifested in in the film series the trilogy.
Speaker 4: But BEF was written on Donald Trump future Biff.
Speaker 8: Oh right, yeah, yeah, I mean a lot of that
Speaker 8: comes in with the second movie because that going back
Speaker 8: to the past is But they still ended up putting
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff in the first one. But you
Speaker 8: know there was a lot in Back to the Future
Speaker 8: too that just screams like oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 4: And same with number three. But that begs the question
Speaker 4: of what is time? When did all these things happen?
Speaker 4: Because you know the things, Did these things always happen?
Speaker 4: Did Marty's parents only meet because he went back in time?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 8: Shame meet in a sequel the Chicken thing, it's the
Speaker 8: chicken or the thing.
Speaker 3: Bill Clinton or the blue dress exactly.
Speaker 5: The actually that's in that movie if you pay attention
Speaker 5: to it. Actually he's telling you that this has already
Speaker 5: happened al ready, I have stuff in there. He's actually
Speaker 5: telling you it's already changed.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, I like where you're at neck on.
Speaker 8: That is Marty only friends with Doc Brown because he
Speaker 8: went back in the past and Doc Brown knew who
Speaker 8: he was. Or how the fuck did Marty become friends
Speaker 8: with a disgraced nuclear physicist while he's in high schools Oh, oh.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that. I'm glad you brought that up.
Speaker 3: Am I cutting out here? Can you all hear me?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I can hear you.
Speaker 4: You're good, I got some bad storms that keeps cutting out. No,
Speaker 4: that's a great point, Julia, because that that physics that
Speaker 4: you know, renowned kind of disgraced physicists and the high
Speaker 4: school student being friends. I think that's a nod to
Speaker 4: Warner von Braun and Jack Parsons, who had a pen
Speaker 4: pal and phone call relationship in the nineteen twenties as
Speaker 4: Parsons was a teenager.
Speaker 6: So I should have said this before, but I wrote
Speaker 6: down Personian as my primary talking point for the entire
Speaker 6: face because exactly I didn't know that factor it. So
Speaker 6: thank you JJ. Obviously rely, yes, sir, But it makes
Speaker 6: perfect sense, right because that's exactly what it is. And
Speaker 6: you can even say in like a hero's journey like well,
Speaker 6: he was saying he is like the Gandalf figure. He is,
Speaker 6: you know, the carew the teacher one to take him
Speaker 6: under the wing. And I also think it's really interesting
Speaker 6: about the time paradox because it's something like we discussed
Speaker 6: on the Carl What episodes, like what kind of universe
Speaker 6: do you believe in, Like if there's a closed universe
Speaker 6: or a fixed universe. So I'm going off when when
Speaker 6: Nick sent me in notewise, but in my this is
Speaker 6: all I also agree with it is. I actually think
Speaker 6: it's more of an infinity universe kind of world, where
Speaker 6: like the connections are kind of infinitely possible, so it
Speaker 6: doesn't really it's sort of like when we see them together,
Speaker 6: it doesn't really matter. It's just like the universe's causal
Speaker 6: that way, like everything that they've done up to this
Speaker 6: point in time, they only exist.
Speaker 2: Now, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think so does doctor mc brown Gray Scott.
Speaker 2: Oh, sorry, go ahead, the uh so.
Speaker 4: Now, I like I like the ideas that Nick you
Speaker 4: and Nick are both point out here with these times,
Speaker 4: these times time loops, the what is time and when?
Speaker 3: When when do these things happen? And what is really
Speaker 3: cause and effect there? But you know before we get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it real? Because the dream world?
Speaker 1: Okay, So when he enters in from the past and
Speaker 1: he goes to town, the song that's playing is mister Sandman.
Speaker 4: And so heard I've heard that sound very familiar. That's
Speaker 4: the first time ever heard this song was this film?
Speaker 1: Right? And then the mom walks up at the same time,
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh my gosh, she's such a dream.
Speaker 1: And he's meanwhile saying, this is a nightmare. This is
Speaker 1: a nightmare, and this is all happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, is this even reality?
Speaker 4: You're employing a kind of like a kind of a
Speaker 4: meta analysis of a Wizard of Oz effect to the
Speaker 4: whole matter.
Speaker 1: Very very that part, yeah, just that part right there
Speaker 1: definitely makes you go, Okay, is this real?
Speaker 2: Is it a dream? Did he have a dream?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 4: You know, sure, Nick, what was what was kind of
Speaker 4: your meta analysis? Besides some of the time things were
Speaker 4: pointing out there? Do you have any other comments on that?
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you, like, I know you have
Speaker 3: a deep analysis of these things.
Speaker 4: I was to say, do you have any like when
Speaker 4: you when you when you were approaching that, was there
Speaker 4: something like overall besides, maybe it was the Masonic stuff,
Speaker 4: Like maybe was the time stuff.
Speaker 3: What was what was jumping out to you specifically.
Speaker 5: The hero's journey, uh, especially with like you know time
Speaker 5: and the electricity, uh you know on the clock all
Speaker 5: that stuff, and uh.
Speaker 4: Just big into the lightning aspects. I figured that was
Speaker 4: gonna hit him with you in some regard for.
Speaker 5: Sure, for sure, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely thought it
Speaker 5: was more of like possibly like you know, crossing the
Speaker 5: abyss or showing the hero's journey to having that experience.
Speaker 5: And I did eventually at one point started catching a
Speaker 5: little tons of my opinion, tons and tons of Masonic stuff.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of where I'm going there. You get
Speaker 5: into my stuff. But I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 5: a lot. I mean I even ran Jamatia and stuff.
Speaker 5: I mean, you still have decent stuff.
Speaker 4: Now you took it in depth study. I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to get in some of those notes. I appreciate everyone's
Speaker 4: kind of mad at analysis there. And as I was
Speaker 4: looking at it, I saw a little bit of kind
Speaker 4: of everything. What y'all are saying is, you know a
Speaker 4: lot of my focus. I think when I was watching
Speaker 4: it again yesterday, was looking back seeing all this, you know,
Speaker 4: I guess I was looking at through more of a
Speaker 4: parapolitical lens. You know, I could see a lot of
Speaker 4: the politics so that they were written into the film,
Speaker 4: like hardcore propaganda, like against the Libyans. That was at
Speaker 4: a peak time when you know, the the Libyan disaster
Speaker 4: in America was, you know, they were they were hyping
Speaker 4: that up, and I got I got some stuff on
Speaker 4: that here later for the parapolitics section of our discussion
Speaker 4: this evening. But besides that, you know, this predictive programming aspect,
Speaker 4: I suppose with and to a certain degree just the
Speaker 4: nature of time, these things wrap up on this one
Speaker 4: subject of this Donald Trump matter, and is that being
Speaker 4: the Biff Tannic character, right, Because you know it's it's
Speaker 4: not just that he's the Biff Tanning character, right. He
Speaker 4: he ends up buying the prop from John DeLorean, the
Speaker 4: guy who makes the Delareuan vehicle that's used in the film.
Speaker 4: Trump buys that Bedminster, New Jersey property, and that is
Speaker 4: where he primarily resides from the months of I believe
Speaker 4: May through through August. That's his primary residence there in Bedminster,
Speaker 4: New Jersey. So that's the other that Oh yeah, how weird?
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 5: There was? Actually I wish I would have saved it now,
Speaker 5: but there was a lot of Trump and Elon stuff
Speaker 5: popping up in Jamatria. But it's just like, it wasn't
Speaker 5: my opinion for what I was looking for. It wasn't
Speaker 5: going along with that because then I started one thing
Speaker 5: I did forgether, Sorry, I mating it in and out
Speaker 5: something I found running Jamatria. Tons of Russian connections, stuff
Speaker 5: with Russia, and even with the pin he's wearing on
Speaker 5: his jacket goes back to a Russian thing. So I
Speaker 5: might actually be on purpose.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it is.
Speaker 4: I think that a lot of these things in this
Speaker 4: film are very well plot in and to that point
Speaker 4: as well, as Julia was saying, so like, that's one
Speaker 4: thing I appreciate about that.
Speaker 3: I don't like a lot of sci fi film.
Speaker 4: I mean, I do like Star Wars, but I don't
Speaker 4: I don't do Star Trek and a lot of other
Speaker 4: sci fi stuff. And it's largely because of the special effects.
Speaker 4: You're into all the space stuff.
Speaker 2: I love it all. Did you see that hat tip?
Speaker 2: Speaking of space, did you see the hat tip to Kubrick?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I didn't you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's there's a little hat tip to Cubrick
Speaker 2: in there. When they have the original.
Speaker 1: The amplifier at the very beginning of the movie, he
Speaker 1: goes to plug in and there's a little tiny tag
Speaker 1: on it and it says c RM one fourteen on
Speaker 1: the amplifier, which is a total nod from one of
Speaker 1: his destroyed messages decoded in the nineteen sixty four Doctor
Speaker 1: Strane Love and Jupiter Explorer and Space Odyssey.
Speaker 2: So I found that.
Speaker 1: On my own.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Yeah, I just looked that.
Speaker 4: Up to that note of all the science fiction of
Speaker 4: this film, and like that that. I think everything is
Speaker 4: well plotted out in this film. Like that is you
Speaker 4: know that to that note, they really focus on those things.
Speaker 4: There's not a lot of special effects scenes. Most of
Speaker 4: the special effect scenes you've seen in this film, or
Speaker 4: the lightning scenes, they really dedicated a lot of times
Speaker 4: that lightning very pop out.
Speaker 8: They want to make a pop for you, right, more
Speaker 8: like when when the DeLorean takes off and there's the
Speaker 8: two little streaks of fire and stuff like that. That's
Speaker 8: about it. But I was gonna say everything.
Speaker 4: Else is very well plotted out, and I think there's
Speaker 4: really they really only shot like about three or four
Speaker 4: like less than four dozen. I think it was about
Speaker 4: thirty five different scenes. This film is very you know,
Speaker 4: very it's not very complex shot film, but it's a
Speaker 4: great storyline. It's very It really grasps your attention throughout
Speaker 4: the whole film. Even when I watched it yesterday, I
Speaker 4: was still very much involved in watching the film and
Speaker 4: not like you know, doing other things while you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, And I don't know. I think that
Speaker 4: speaks again to this the esoteric secrets they're embedded in
Speaker 4: the film. Is it really grabs your subconscious But and
Speaker 4: and on that nature of subconscious and time like when
Speaker 4: when I when when there's a really surface way to
Speaker 4: look at the Donald Trump situation, But again I look
Speaker 4: at it through like what is time?
Speaker 3: And like did the writers of this film did they? Did?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: There's a concept of that I like to consider of
Speaker 4: a guy by the name J. W. Dunn about the
Speaker 4: dream state. As you know, we're talking about the dream
Speaker 4: state as being better of this film in the nature
Speaker 4: of time and the dream state is your subconscious can
Speaker 4: kind of remember the future in a sense, whereas it
Speaker 4: doesn't operate in a linear timeline like we do in
Speaker 4: in uh in our in our waken state, and you know,
Speaker 4: then that way you can almost remember the future. This
Speaker 4: was explained some deje vu elements, but also would explain
Speaker 4: incidents of recognition.
Speaker 3: And JW.
Speaker 4: Dunn wrote a pamphlet on this back in the nineteen
Speaker 4: twenties called an Experiment in Time, and it was one
Speaker 4: of the most.
Speaker 3: Fascinating things I've ever read. So really really big question.
Speaker 4: Are they just coming up with this idea from something
Speaker 4: that they possibly got into a dream state, you know,
Speaker 4: that's where the idea came from. And it's really they're
Speaker 4: just saying something in the future in their dream state,
Speaker 4: and they're just in their current time. They're just you know,
Speaker 4: transcribing a matter where it looks very similar rights. You know,
Speaker 4: they do predict a lot of things relative to Donald Trump. Right,
Speaker 4: go ahead, Jen No.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to say that I totally agree with
Speaker 6: that writer that you're citing, JJ, because it's very interesting
Speaker 6: because it actually correlates really well the Buddhism. Time is
Speaker 6: of the mind, Time is of the nine expressed in nine.
Speaker 6: So exactly what you're saying, it's like the the you
Speaker 6: are the chronopoetic master. You are the time king of
Speaker 6: your own timeline kind of thing. So there's something really
Speaker 6: interesting about that. And then also you were saying, like
Speaker 6: the dreaming state, Well what if I told you, like
Speaker 6: the the dreaming mind is the color of turquoise, but
Speaker 6: the waking mind is the color of lapis. So when
Speaker 6: you were saying, like, what is the color of lightning, well,
Speaker 6: lightning is actually insurerched for both of those things, because
Speaker 6: it's also clear, very.
Speaker 5: Scientist, I know.
Speaker 1: And to your point, his address when he makes it
Speaker 1: back home to Hill Valley, which is an oxymoron by
Speaker 1: the you can't Heill Valley, Okay, whatever, but his address
Speaker 1: is nine three zero three, and so three times three
Speaker 1: is nine or we have thirty three.
Speaker 2: Right there too. So I found that really interesting.
Speaker 1: That was on the house, So nine three zero three,
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what you're saying, jin it's it's all nine,
Speaker 1: it's the nine, and then three zero three three times
Speaker 1: three is nine or thirty three? Would you say the
Speaker 1: nine three zero three is well would you say that
Speaker 1: was on his house, that's his address when he's coming
Speaker 1: up m hm. And so that was really interesting. And
Speaker 1: if we move past him coming home to his house.
Speaker 1: I have something to say about that, but I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're there yet, So yeah, we can.
Speaker 4: Jump into that here shortly when we go through the
Speaker 4: film and the characters here in a minute. But no,
Speaker 4: I well, I got to say, I just got lost
Speaker 4: like three different things at the same time.
Speaker 3: Again the uh, the uh? Where was it? I forget
Speaker 3: where I was at? Now I apologize there, what's let's uh,
Speaker 3: I guess let's jump on.
Speaker 4: Have any any other comments on time or some of
Speaker 4: these other concepts before we jump into the back.
Speaker 8: I had one thing that I noticed to do with
Speaker 8: the time thing that I wanted to say.
Speaker 3: Or dream stuff, because I think that's very interesting too
Speaker 3: that brought up I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't get I didn't put anything down about the
Speaker 8: dream stuff because I was so fixated on this other aspect.
Speaker 8: But at the very beginning of the movie, when it's
Speaker 8: showing all the clocks and there's like a million clocks
Speaker 8: in Doc Brown's house, even down to like one of
Speaker 8: the clocks is like a guy hanging off of a
Speaker 8: clock tower. Like everything in every little scene, every you know,
Speaker 8: it's it's like it's so on purpose to predict what's
Speaker 8: gonna come later in the film, but also what's to
Speaker 8: come later in like reality too, And I'm I'm sure
Speaker 8: you know where I'm going.
Speaker 1: With that, but.
Speaker 3: Any difference.
Speaker 8: And then I did do the name Marty and I
Speaker 8: did the name emmittt to see what they mean. And
Speaker 8: so Marty means warlike or of Mars, and it refers
Speaker 8: to the Roman god of war Mars. And then Emmitt,
Speaker 8: doctor Emmitt Brown, his name means universal or truth. So
Speaker 8: both I think both of those names are very interesting
Speaker 8: for the two main characters there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, and Jennifer means so if we're gonna
Speaker 1: do characters, I do have something a couple of things,
Speaker 1: but I can bring it back in later.
Speaker 4: For the time, you mentioned Hill Valley as a oxymoron.
Speaker 4: That's where I got stuck there a moment ago. That
Speaker 4: is a good point, like there's some meaning to that.
Speaker 4: Why are they using such an obscure name?
Speaker 2: Then right, so uh, I'll go back, I'll go backward
Speaker 2: to sergeant.
Speaker 1: I'll just say really quickly that I think that when
Speaker 1: when they're talking about this time part, when they're not
Speaker 1: in reality the time is running on the clock, but
Speaker 1: when they're in reality, the time is fixed because the
Speaker 1: clock is broken. So we have to look at this
Speaker 1: like Doc Brown is almost like Zeus, you know, and
Speaker 1: they've got you know, Posidon there and all that.
Speaker 2: But I'll do that when we get into characters.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is is also you've got like
Speaker 1: the flux capacitor, which is chaos, right, it's the why yes,
Speaker 1: And so when they're using it and they're in wherever
Speaker 1: they've traveled to, like whether it's past your future, whatever it's,
Speaker 1: it's again chaotic because it's.
Speaker 2: Not in sync with reality. That's all I was going
Speaker 2: to say on the timing part. But but I'm weird. No,
Speaker 2: that was great. That was really great, legit, I'm sorry, Jenny.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: The Marty. The Marty thing was really interesting because then
Speaker 6: you'd have to say he's a governatic hero, right, like
Speaker 6: he's coming from Mars, he's coming from Govera, but he
Speaker 6: tries to travel on the lightning path. So that's something
Speaker 6: that Mighty said that was really interesting about Hill Valley,
Speaker 6: And I think I know why you got suck on
Speaker 6: it because it is a paradox.
Speaker 8: JJ.
Speaker 4: It doesn't make I never really considered it, but it
Speaker 4: makes no sense until you just said I was to
Speaker 4: wait a second.
Speaker 6: But it's a cola state paradox that's resolved in the
Speaker 6: center the hidden pillar.
Speaker 4: It's all about a time paradox, right, They're all they're saying, Oh,
Speaker 4: that's a paradox, and this is a paradox, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Well he and he lives in Lions Estate and you
Speaker 1: see this Lion's estate with the two pillars, but you
Speaker 1: go in between the Lions Gate and then what does that?
Speaker 2: Do you know what we know about Lions eight?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: With and with eighty eight?
Speaker 1: Did that eighty eight miles per hour charge the Lions Gate?
Speaker 1: And with double infinity where it's not even real? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I.
Speaker 8: Have something on the Lions if I if we're getting
Speaker 8: into that, I have something about the Lions? Can I
Speaker 8: should I save it?
Speaker 4: Can we table that for a moment we start getting
Speaker 4: into the film. We'll discuss the settings a little bit
Speaker 4: like that, because I want to do a quick background
Speaker 4: signed to these names. Y'all were just saying, do a
Speaker 4: quick background the sci fi and the predictive programming aspect
Speaker 4: of that, real quick with Donald Trump that is, and
Speaker 4: then we'll get into the entire film here after that.
Speaker 4: If you don't be all to mind bearing with me
Speaker 4: here for a moment, because we already brought some of
Speaker 4: these names. I want to kind of jump into this
Speaker 4: point real quick, and it goes right to the sci
Speaker 4: fi stuff. So we were talking about how the meaning
Speaker 4: of these names and some of the background there well,
Speaker 4: jumping ahead to back to the future.
Speaker 3: Three we learned. We learned this about Doc Brown.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 8: Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe it wasn't yours.
Speaker 2: It could have been another Emmig Brown relatives back then.
Speaker 8: The Bros didn't come to the Hill Valley until nineteen
Speaker 8: o eight, and then they were the von Brons.
Speaker 6: I just want to change our name. During the First
Speaker 6: World War.
Speaker 8: Von Braun, like Werner v how can you say, how
Speaker 8: can you say the first and the third one aren't
Speaker 8: the best when they put ship like that in the
Speaker 8: third one.
Speaker 5: Oh, I.
Speaker 3: Won't get me wrong. I enjoy these things.
Speaker 4: There's there's nuggets of information all around there and they
Speaker 4: even have some Thelamites in the third one, right with
Speaker 4: Flea he's a member of the Red How do you
Speaker 4: look right?
Speaker 6: I wouldn't totally make sense because like you can consider,
Speaker 6: like I call it nasau space. Cabala is how they
Speaker 6: referred to it before, but the way they put it
Speaker 6: because for the way they teach the planets is actually Cabala.
Speaker 6: You could understand it like that, So the first introduction
Speaker 6: to what people think of, but it's actually the inverse
Speaker 6: because it's the physical densities, so it's actually not Cabala.
Speaker 6: But you could say that it's the first way, the
Speaker 6: first layer that people understand. So it would make sense
Speaker 6: if they're doing all these von Braun references because obviously
Speaker 6: that's what he was also talking about by the.
Speaker 4: Way he dies in right, it just ties into the
Speaker 4: whole sci fi background, and these rockets and nasts are
Speaker 4: right with with with a reference like that, right, Oh,
Speaker 4: I said, Von Bron.
Speaker 2: Just was definitely in the good with the Marmons.
Speaker 1: He made a theological film with them that nobody else
Speaker 1: was allowed in, only Von Braun. Yeah, so it was weird.
Speaker 1: I think that's very interesting, you know. And what we
Speaker 1: know about Parsons and his mother, well we'll save that
Speaker 1: for later, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just all Parsons and about his Parsons, right, because
Speaker 3: he's just such an interesting character with his whole background, right, absolutely,
Speaker 3: So that guy there before re Ackerman meet four.
Speaker 4: He's the fellow that I used as a center point
Speaker 4: in this narrative of Cocaine Bob meets Marvel Comics my
Speaker 4: operation GCD Live last week. Fory Ackerman is the guy
Speaker 4: mister science fiction. He's the guy who coins the term
Speaker 4: sci fi right. He's a literary agent for all these folks.
Speaker 4: He knew Parsons, he knew Hubbard, he was an oto
Speaker 4: guy at Parsons Lodge. Apparently he was an early scientologist.
Speaker 4: He knew all the Marvel stuff. He knew Cocaine Bob
Speaker 4: of course, well with all these characters. And that's Sane
Speaker 4: Lee of Marvel Comics, who was a good friend of
Speaker 4: fory Ackerman as well. So fory Ackerman for a quick
Speaker 4: rehash on that. He's a legendary figure in Hollywood. I
Speaker 4: decided to muppetize him like anyone else these days, because
Speaker 4: he actually is a muppet.
Speaker 1: Two.
Speaker 3: Just this guy in general, he's he's a legendary dude.
Speaker 4: Like I said, sci fi stuff, literary agent for every
Speaker 4: sci fi writer you can think of, Isaac Asimov, Bradbury, Hubbard,
Speaker 4: you know all these guys, Arthur C. Clark, he ran
Speaker 4: their little sci fi club in Los Angeles. He was
Speaker 4: there the head of the again big time of cultists
Speaker 4: ran the thing called Monsters and Magazines. A monstras a
Speaker 4: famous monsters magazine, and the actual picture of them is
Speaker 4: not nearly as funny as that. But if you look
Speaker 4: at kind of the onset of these stories of where
Speaker 4: these film like Back to the Future comes from, it
Speaker 4: goes back to Fory. So the idea this is Wikipedia,
Speaker 4: the source of all information on the interwebs. It's a
Speaker 4: good jumping off point in times. I do like to
Speaker 4: see what the normative view on subjects are too. But
Speaker 4: here's a good quote here regarding time travel and fiction
Speaker 4: article here, and like I said, it goes to fory Ackerman.
Speaker 4: So Fory Akerman noted in his nineteen seventy three anthology
Speaker 4: of the Best Fiction of the Year that the theme
Speaker 4: of getting hold of tomorrow's newspaper is a recurrent one,
Speaker 4: you know, in regards to science fiction and these matters
Speaker 4: of time travel. Right, so this is the first, to
Speaker 4: my understanding, this is the first time travel story in fiction.
Speaker 2: HG.
Speaker 4: Will's time Machine not really the same thing we're talking
Speaker 4: about here, but this is the early onset of kind
Speaker 4: of the subject, right, is that you all agree on that?
Speaker 3: Is there an earlier piece that I'll remember.
Speaker 4: Not that I can think of, Yeah, because that's eighteen
Speaker 4: ninety five, and shortly thereafter we see things it's not
Speaker 4: really time travel, but we see this story by Mark
Speaker 4: Twain at Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, And I
Speaker 4: saw a comment earlier on in the chat before I
Speaker 4: lost all side of what was going on there regarding
Speaker 4: time slips. This is a time slip, right. We kind
Speaker 4: of talked about time slips recently on the Cult Rejects
Speaker 4: as well, right.
Speaker 5: Nick, Yes, sir, Yeah that was with Ride, Right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that was It's.
Speaker 4: Kind of like it's time travel and you don't have
Speaker 4: a DeLorean, right, But I mean it's it's the same concept.
Speaker 5: Though, right, Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2: Well, are you'll familiar with this story?
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not, no, I am, but but I think there
Speaker 6: is some interesting that you're picking up on. JJ is
Speaker 6: that there is a difference in a way. But the
Speaker 6: because the Dolorean is the heck a lot. So it's
Speaker 6: like the vehicle, like I talked a lot about this
Speaker 6: on our episode, it's like the you know, the Mormons
Speaker 6: have this idea. They're more into the palace architecture, the
Speaker 6: temple architecture. They're into bringing things back down into the
Speaker 6: diamonds and nuts. That's what they're all about, right, Like
Speaker 6: Mormon money magic. Well that's Mormon money magic, yes, sir.
Speaker 6: But the this actually, and I even texted Nick this
Speaker 6: as I said, yeah, absolutely, I agree with you. This
Speaker 6: is like a hodemaxing, like double dragon because in Chinese, interestingly,
Speaker 6: eight is a dragon number, so it's like eighty eight
Speaker 6: double dragons.
Speaker 2: Let's fucking like, that's like the yep maybe yep.
Speaker 5: I think that has a do even parts of your
Speaker 5: brain too. I'm not gonna take it that far.
Speaker 1: Well, did you think it was weird at the at
Speaker 1: the mall parking lot before they're taking off that that
Speaker 1: you see the visual of j C so like Jesus
Speaker 1: Christ and then Penny like copper, and that was that stood.
Speaker 2: Out to me so much, And I mean I was like,
Speaker 2: is this charging?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is this like charging? This situation? And then the guns
Speaker 2: come with iron their shoes.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm glad you said that. I got that clip
Speaker 3: on deck here.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, director predictive programming, because that was the Libyans, Right,
Speaker 4: that was the Libyans assaulting.
Speaker 3: Them in the parking lot.
Speaker 4: And that was the great time where will marked Dolphie
Speaker 4: was was the bin laden of that era, Right, that
Speaker 4: was the time.
Speaker 1: Doc is wearing the biohazard sign behind on his jumper.
Speaker 1: And that can also be the skull and crossbones, So
Speaker 1: is he?
Speaker 4: Oh that's you know, I mean, do they want to
Speaker 4: scare everybody about the Libyans and nuclear war at the time? Right,
Speaker 4: this was the era of the mid eighties, right, it
Speaker 4: was a nuclear scare terrorism by the Olypyans.
Speaker 3: And while we're on that note, I got a clip
Speaker 3: here for us.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, they found me.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they found me. Look Hardvarted whoo whoo?
Speaker 1: Who do you think.
Speaker 4: It was Oleviyan's they did it? And now I know
Speaker 4: I wasn't really old enough to really understand what's going on.
Speaker 4: I do remember kind of the whole Avian scare there
Speaker 4: around that time, right in the media.
Speaker 3: On it again.
Speaker 4: It was a very bit load uh situation, But I
Speaker 4: don't want to I got a different clip to kind
Speaker 4: of explain that to folks real quick to emphasize that
Speaker 4: point from comedian Jim Brewer, all right.
Speaker 2: And I took his I took his newspaper. It was
Speaker 2: a newspaper on his little desk.
Speaker 10: I'm we go right, he took his newspaper and show
Speaker 10: him now a little part of history. At that time,
Speaker 10: America was in a serious situation with Libya.
Speaker 3: Huge before Bin Ladin.
Speaker 11: There is move Ko Duffy, and he was huge in
Speaker 11: news because he shot six missiles at a US plane
Speaker 11: he missed and then the next day we bombed his tent.
Speaker 11: That's what happened, and it was huge news.
Speaker 10: It was right on.
Speaker 11: If you when you went home, you only had four
Speaker 11: channels watching TV, was before ven remotes. You're just your father,
Speaker 11: go hey, turney and channel four and.
Speaker 2: You have to get up dam.
Speaker 3: And so everything was next on the news.
Speaker 11: Mumah Kadaffi's America, Muma Kadaffi, Mumah Kadaffi shoot six missiles,
Speaker 11: Muma Kodoffy.
Speaker 3: I think we get the port there.
Speaker 8: So that's what the whole Libya thing was about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that was the height of that activity when
Speaker 4: he's talked about So Jim Burger is telling the story
Speaker 4: there on one of those Comedy Central.
Speaker 3: This is not happening, I think.
Speaker 4: And he actually is talking about working at that Valley
Speaker 4: Stree mall, Nicknase, I'm talking about and at Long Island,
Speaker 4: and he was working at the Seers. He was playing
Speaker 4: a prank on a fellow coworker of this old dude
Speaker 4: who was giving him ship as a teenager, and he
Speaker 4: called the dude, you know, across to a different department,
Speaker 4: was just telling him that it was he was claiming
Speaker 4: to be Mo Marke Godolphie on the phone and he's
Speaker 4: going to bomb the mall there or drop six missiles
Speaker 4: on the mall, because that's what all the media kept saying,
Speaker 4: six missiles, six missiles.
Speaker 3: So they they ended up evacuating the whole mall and
Speaker 3: called the FBI.
Speaker 4: And it's a funny story, but yeah, it's that was
Speaker 4: Ghidelphia era of the eighties. I never knew that that's
Speaker 4: the some yeah, some wild stuff, right, and that that
Speaker 4: story cracks me up there. That's unfortunately it circumstances finding
Speaker 4: in playing a prank and suddenly the FBI gets called,
Speaker 4: you know, because some idiot can't realize that it was
Speaker 4: a prank. He actually thinks, momar cud Off, he's calling
Speaker 4: the paint department at Sears and telling him he's.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous.
Speaker 4: So yeah, back to this, these matters of the backstory
Speaker 4: of kind of how how Back to the Future came
Speaker 4: to be through these matters of science fiction and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So you see the reference Jules Verne a lot in
Speaker 4: the film. In fact, I believe he later names his
Speaker 4: kids Jewels and vern right, and number three Doc Brown.
Speaker 12: That is, yes, I know he named this dog Einstein
Speaker 12: and you want to talk about Mason's.
Speaker 4: And the other one was Copernicus, right, The other dog
Speaker 4: was Copernicus, right, yes, yes, So it's a lot of
Speaker 4: space stuff, science stuff, and then Jules and vern is
Speaker 4: reference to Jules Verna. Obviously he didn't do any time
Speaker 4: travel stuff, you know, around the world eighty days, twenty
Speaker 4: thousand leagues under the sea.
Speaker 8: He did journey to the center of the Earth, which
Speaker 8: I think is like a real fucking thing.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the one, that's the big one. I
Speaker 3: was missing this one.
Speaker 4: He's not as known for, but thank you Julia for
Speaker 4: that when I was stuck there on the other title,
Speaker 4: From the Earth to the Moon.
Speaker 3: So this is a this is an idea of this
Speaker 3: is one of the early.
Speaker 4: I think this is the earliest idea of rockets, right,
Speaker 4: and even talking about a moon landing and a projectile
Speaker 4: that looks a lot like what Warner von Braun would
Speaker 4: develop as a rocket, this obelisk looking object right, see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying here on the cover right and is
Speaker 4: read in eighteen sixty five, and it's talking about he
Speaker 4: wrote a sequel to it around the Moon, but it's
Speaker 4: talking about landing with a projectile with a goal of
Speaker 4: landing on the Moon. So you know, I think that's
Speaker 4: interesting because again we go back to that von Braun reference.
Speaker 4: Right now, we got the earliest version. So everything I
Speaker 4: covered that in the last show I did last week
Speaker 4: on this deleamite science or fan fiction ideas of Marvel
Speaker 4: and DC comics, because all of these ideas of science
Speaker 4: and space that we know from revolving around rocketry and
Speaker 4: space travel revolves around that they were written in fiction
Speaker 4: first by writers whose literary agent was for Reactorman and
Speaker 4: who fory Ackerman was the head of that sci fi
Speaker 4: writers club in which all of these writers were also
Speaker 4: a part of so and they also were all apparently
Speaker 4: involved by forty Ackerman's own admission, they were all involved
Speaker 4: in first the OTO and then later scientology. And four
Speaker 4: he stuck around in scientology for a while. He didn't
Speaker 4: leave until the late early fifties, so he was seemed
Speaker 4: pretty dedicated in these matters. But you know, we learn
Speaker 4: about these ideas of space first through these through these
Speaker 4: matters of science fiction, and then later supposedly you know,
Speaker 4: supposedly science right, and then it really impacts a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff. I don't want to go too far here,
Speaker 4: but it really impacts a lot of stuff just outside
Speaker 4: of what we're thinking of regarding occultism in our modern
Speaker 4: day with these science fiction notions. So I learned this
Speaker 4: from this book Operation Mind Control from Walter bou Art.
Speaker 4: Great book, highly recommend if anyone folks of the interwebs
Speaker 4: want anything to do with matters of mind control operations,
Speaker 4: not just the mk ulture style experimental stuff. Bo Art
Speaker 4: writes a whole book in nineteen seventy circus seventy eight
Speaker 4: describing how it's operational. So but he puts here in
Speaker 4: this book how Michael Achino Old Temple sat. Michael Akino
Speaker 4: wrote three different Star Wars fan fiction and used to
Speaker 4: He was reported as having been identified standing outside the
Speaker 4: Gate at Skywalker Ranch, forcing copies of these manuscripts upon
Speaker 4: people who employed by George Lucas friends with Zamachus and
Speaker 4: and Spielberg. Since Lucas does not received un solicited manuscripts,
Speaker 4: the manuscripts were returned unopened upon several occasions. One was
Speaker 4: sub subsequently published in a monster magazine. I'll uh let
Speaker 4: you know which monster magazine that was.
Speaker 3: It was the one of chacherin Razy. Yeah, but you
Speaker 3: know back around.
Speaker 8: Are you familiar with Fritz Springmeyer at all? He wrote
Speaker 8: a lot of stuff about you know, underground programs, stuff
Speaker 8: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: He talks about how they use Star Trek in a
Speaker 8: lot of the programs. And there's a lot of weird
Speaker 8: stuff with Star Trek in general. I love Star Trek,
Speaker 8: but that's beside the point. And there was an actress
Speaker 8: in Star Trek, the first one, the original one. Her
Speaker 8: brother was a member of the Heaven's Gate Cult. Come on,
Speaker 8: so I'm telling you this is all fuck.
Speaker 3: Come on, I did not know that.
Speaker 6: I love.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he killed himself in the Heaven's Gate cult.
Speaker 3: We got it.
Speaker 4: I just put a pan in my brain on that one.
Speaker 4: We're definite gonna talking about that in the future here, Julie, because.
Speaker 8: That's uh, you know, man, I love subjects like this
Speaker 8: because I love science fiction stuff. I think Jules Vern
Speaker 8: actually inspired all of the inner Earth talk and like
Speaker 8: the new Godzilla Calling movies with like the interview stuff,
Speaker 8: that all comes from Jules Vern.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm glad you said that. So just like that
Speaker 4: all comes from Jules Burn. And then we get these
Speaker 4: ideas of what we're supposed to accept space as from
Speaker 4: folks like Arthur C. Clark and Isaac asim Off for
Speaker 4: Reackerman's buddies, and you know, he's a literary agent.
Speaker 2: The idea that.
Speaker 4: Dinosaurs may still run the Earth comes from this guy,
Speaker 4: Willie Lay. He's a German fellow scientists fell and sci
Speaker 4: fi writer who was also part of that same sci
Speaker 4: fi club in Los Angeles, whose literary agent was also
Speaker 4: for reachermen. So that you know, these ideas that we
Speaker 4: that are getting created through cryptozoology and whatnot. This dude
Speaker 4: is the one who literally started the idea of that
Speaker 4: disor still exists on the planet in nineteen forty nine.
Speaker 8: And then what did he help?
Speaker 3: This dude also wrote a book in nineteen What's that did.
Speaker 8: He help with Spielsberg on fucking Jurassic Park.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I mean we're not that far off from
Speaker 4: this whole crew, right, So like as Spielberg kind of
Speaker 4: the next generation of the same kind of club, Right,
Speaker 4: that's kind of how I'm almost looking at it, right. Sure,
Speaker 4: So Willy Lay writes a book in nineteen twelve called
Speaker 4: Conquest on the Moon with other than Werner von Braun
Speaker 4: again Warner von Braun by the shortly thereafter starts a
Speaker 4: pen pal and telephone call relationship with Jack Parsons old
Speaker 4: Marvel Jack Parsons right, von Braun's in Germany. Parsons is
Speaker 4: in Pasadena. You know, what are these two? How do
Speaker 4: these two link up?
Speaker 3: Right? And why are they talking on the phone? Their
Speaker 3: international calls are not that you know common back then, right?
Speaker 3: How weird is that?
Speaker 2: I wonder?
Speaker 8: I wonder if this guy was friends with Cubrick at all,
Speaker 8: because Kubrick and von barn were friends, and he did.
Speaker 4: Now he just sent me with a different one, because
Speaker 4: I don't know who the intersection of Akerman at Kubrick is.
Speaker 4: Because definitely Isaac Asimov and Clark were because they were
Speaker 4: on not only on the set, they were also involved
Speaker 4: with the apall eleven missions at the time.
Speaker 2: As far as tech they were quote unquote Nicole Advisor's.
Speaker 8: Well, then Kubrick's got to be in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got to be in there.
Speaker 4: Something old Jack Kirby too, Right, So two thousand and
Speaker 4: one of Space Odyssey, they had a comic book from
Speaker 4: Marvel Comics that was supposed to come out simultaneously. That
Speaker 4: was from Jack Kirby. Again, Cocaine Bob meets Marvel Comics. Right,
Speaker 4: we're talking about the same club of folks, right, Jack
Speaker 4: Kirby's want of stan Lee's associates.
Speaker 8: Obviously they're all in there. They have to be, They
Speaker 8: absolutely have to be.
Speaker 4: So I appreciate y'all joined me here on that quick
Speaker 4: journey and how we got to the story of Back
Speaker 4: to the Future, and again how it revolves around I
Speaker 4: took you all on a back to the future yourself
Speaker 4: talking about how I was just discussing these things last
Speaker 4: week inadvertently did not even consider at the time how
Speaker 4: much this tied into this future one we already had planned,
Speaker 4: because I didn't really consider how much of the sci
Speaker 4: fi connections there really were.
Speaker 3: But it's obviously pretty deep. So onto the film onto.
Speaker 6: The film, JJ, I'm just going to jump in really quick,
Speaker 6: which promise.
Speaker 3: Shoot.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well okay, so the Michael Oku no thing. Since
Speaker 6: I've read a lot of his writings, it totally makes
Speaker 6: sense to me he did identify as as Seth. I
Speaker 6: think he even has a fucking story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's you're telling me it's a Zizi is a
Speaker 3: zip lord.
Speaker 6: I mean he look at the colors, It's like it's
Speaker 6: his banah thing. It's like very like you know, sapphire tablet,
Speaker 6: like flashing red. It's like just like he was just
Speaker 6: obsessed with like Cabbala and obsessed with the sufferer and
Speaker 6: obsessed with like trying to deify them and make them
Speaker 6: into like real things. And that goes to your point
Speaker 6: about Warner ron Braun making like the dick shaped rocket.
Speaker 6: It's like that is like very right. If you're like Marty,
Speaker 6: he's the marsh Marshall Martian maybe, but he's like a
Speaker 6: martial figure. So he's like erect. He's eth o fail
Speaker 6: like we would call it in our history. So he's
Speaker 6: it's like the projections, like the projecting off the earth
Speaker 6: with fire, just like Julia said, the car has fire
Speaker 6: behind it it needs fire for like Hidi and I
Speaker 6: were talking about the chat and fire for transmutation, but
Speaker 6: it's not the only thing that happens. Like we said,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of mercurial elements in it, and Heidi
Speaker 6: caught that amazing point about J. C. Penny because you
Speaker 6: need copper to transmute gold. So one thing I was
Speaker 6: interested in, independent of Nick's amazing notepack, was what is
Speaker 6: the composition of a DeLorean and like, how could you
Speaker 6: sort of cabalistically mapped steel and specifically the steel that
Speaker 6: was used to make Deloreans. So it is actually an
Speaker 6: interesting kind of question if you're looking at it from
Speaker 6: like an outchemic color cobalistic loans, so you would have
Speaker 6: to consider it to be to ferratic that lions Gate
Speaker 6: sort of element but becoming from Mars because the content
Speaker 6: is largely iron, so it's a majority. So that's really
Speaker 6: interesting I think to think about, like there's a lot
Speaker 6: of Marshall stuff Elon, like to bring up something Nick
Speaker 6: said like, yeah, there is kind of an Elon thing
Speaker 6: because it he's obsessed with Mars. And obviously when Ron
Speaker 6: Brown is obsessed with Mars, because there's that it's that
Speaker 6: question in modern occultism. Do men come from Mars or
Speaker 6: do they come from Mercury? But I think that Euro's
Speaker 6: journey makes room four. They can come from both, or
Speaker 6: they can maybe grow through the paths and come out,
Speaker 6: you know, through the fire if you want to call that,
Speaker 6: and you know, enter the pathiosis whatever.
Speaker 4: Fair enough, But that is that is the story I like,
Speaker 4: I like your heads out and that is with the
Speaker 4: story where we are at the moment, right with the
Speaker 4: storyline here Back to the Future revolves around this the
Speaker 4: transport of Marty McFly Michael J. Fox's character through this
Speaker 4: here fancy car that I well, we can get into
Speaker 4: more of this discussion on the car here because you know,
Speaker 4: after we you know, develop more of this tale here.
Speaker 3: But see, I find it very unique that for many
Speaker 3: reasons they chose this car.
Speaker 4: But so he meets Doc Brown and you know, they
Speaker 4: get they start doing this seemingly start interrupting time right
Speaker 4: and disrupting reality. But really I would argue that's just
Speaker 4: the nature of reality was always gonna happen that way.
Speaker 4: But what are your all thoughts here on the characters
Speaker 4: that we lay out the story here Back to the Future.
Speaker 3: Right, we got a teenager meeting the old scientists.
Speaker 4: Right again, I would argue, that's a marvel Jack Parsons
Speaker 4: Warner von Braun, right doctor Emit von Braun relationship.
Speaker 1: I I definitely saw this in a different weird I
Speaker 1: was telling Jin in the chat just that I saw
Speaker 1: it as he was like a Zeus type character, because he's,
Speaker 1: you know, gonna be messing with the lightning. Later.
Speaker 2: There's more. I don't want to give it all right now,
Speaker 2: but like, oh, go ahead, please please describe the character
Speaker 2: that's that sounds I like words.
Speaker 1: Sure, so he's gonna, you know, overthrow Cronus, but but
Speaker 1: we also have Pluto, we have plutonium.
Speaker 4: So he's gonna throw Cronus by defeating time or by
Speaker 4: traveling through time. That's like a defeat of Chronos.
Speaker 1: Is ever saying, Well, he's gonna he's gonna get him
Speaker 1: out of the unreality to send Marty back through to
Speaker 1: reality by harnessing with his rod that's wrapped like a
Speaker 1: kundalini and he's gonna harness the energy to hook it
Speaker 1: onto the car.
Speaker 2: That's what I see.
Speaker 1: And then Neptune post Sidon's there at the under the
Speaker 1: Seed dance. There's a statue of him. If you catch that,
Speaker 1: he's there, Pluto's there, plutonium. It's the tale of you know,
Speaker 1: them defeating Chronos.
Speaker 9: Eh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Under the Seed dance, it certainly seems very
Speaker 4: chilling because it was a very that was one of
Speaker 4: the scenes. Like I said, there's not a lot of
Speaker 4: scenes filmed here, and they put a lot of effort
Speaker 4: into really decorating that.
Speaker 8: I feel like, yeah, they really pish put Yeah I
Speaker 8: put that in my notes too, that they spent a
Speaker 8: lot of time decorating that.
Speaker 2: Really it's and all that like on and on about
Speaker 2: this Under the Seed dance. It was like over and
Speaker 2: over and you know it was a lot Well.
Speaker 4: So that same age or is that like why do
Speaker 4: you think Martin McFly is always wearing uh this life preserver?
Speaker 3: Preserver there?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 3: So yeah, they joke on him, right he gets found
Speaker 3: on about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when he walks into the until they get the
Speaker 5: place to get wherever at the diner, what you would
Speaker 5: you fall overboard?
Speaker 2: Is that what he says?
Speaker 8: And then when he gets hit by the car and
Speaker 8: and Lorraine's parents take him in and she's like, I
Speaker 8: figured you're a sailor because you have the life preserver.
Speaker 4: On what's the use of Calvin Klein in that in
Speaker 4: that aspect too, right, because they go he's wearing Calvin
Speaker 4: Kline underwear.
Speaker 3: So he starts going by the name of because that's Mormons.
Speaker 1: Because he got his new name, and he got his
Speaker 1: underwear and got his underwear, he got his new name.
Speaker 1: Considered that way, he went through the veil and he
Speaker 1: has his he's the news specifically more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean like in general, well in general.
Speaker 5: Any magician would take him name. I mean, it's not
Speaker 5: just a Morman thing.
Speaker 3: You're an aspect to that's any magician, Masons and Masons
Speaker 3: ceremony magician.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, is this terrificant that they're purple and that
Speaker 8: they bring that up.
Speaker 2: I've never seen purple be royalty.
Speaker 5: There would be probably more of like making a claim
Speaker 5: that you've actually seen both sides.
Speaker 2: Yeah, red is both life and death. Yeah, the red.
Speaker 6: Resolution of paradox, bringing the blue and the red together,
Speaker 6: the material spiritual and.
Speaker 1: Even when he goes to the dance, Yeah, he's in
Speaker 1: a reddish jacket again, even at the dance, so.
Speaker 6: They keep I thought that was an amazing point.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Heidi, No, no, I was just saying they keep
Speaker 2: him in red.
Speaker 6: See this is really interesting. But I want to say
Speaker 6: the thing really quick about what Heidi was saying, to
Speaker 6: build off that joked. In Vedic astrology, Jupiter is the
Speaker 6: planet of the teacher, so it's but it's the spiritual teacher,
Speaker 6: not the not necessarily the material teacher, which is actually
Speaker 6: more Gevrotic in Hebrew. Balls that's actually really interesting as well.
Speaker 6: And but I agree with what Heidi is saying in
Speaker 6: like I don't use obviously the Greek cosmology, but I
Speaker 6: understand what she's saying, and it makes a lot of
Speaker 6: sense because there's this third idea of So we spoke
Speaker 6: a little bit yesterday about the hyper Uranian the trans
Speaker 6: Plutonian obviously that's though both of those ideas are in
Speaker 6: this film. But then there's like the third idea, which
Speaker 6: is the trans Neptunian. So it goes exactly with this
Speaker 6: under the sea the dreaming god. That's even one of
Speaker 6: the names for a Vishnu. And if you map him
Speaker 6: to the tree, he'd be like a joke Ma, so
Speaker 6: very Neptunian figure. He's dreaming under the superno ocean. He's
Speaker 6: sleeping on his back in a c like a deis
Speaker 6: I guess you could say. So, yeah, it's like this
Speaker 6: the dreaming God. He's sleeping reality into existence. And then
Speaker 6: there's this last idea that but the idea of space
Speaker 6: versus time, and this goes perfectly along with that because
Speaker 6: Vishnu is assigned space, whereas like as Heidi said, she
Speaker 6: called him Kronos, I'm gonna call him Shiva, but he
Speaker 6: is time at least in one version, is too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the women, we can't forget the women too.
Speaker 6: So it's always this battle. It's always this battle in
Speaker 6: like sort of occult thinking like do you master space?
Speaker 6: Do you master time? Like which one is it? Which
Speaker 6: one is superior? And it's because it's both poles, right,
Speaker 6: it's really it's it's a hoke mod and bin off.
Speaker 6: So it's both of those things and they're like it's
Speaker 6: like electric, like very lightning. So but that's how they
Speaker 6: kind of spark off each other.
Speaker 3: Interesting. We have any more thoughts here on on the
Speaker 3: uh Mary Flies.
Speaker 2: A character, Oh not Marty, No, sorry, his girlfriend.
Speaker 3: You want to go to his girlfriend next?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think at the very beginning, when she's
Speaker 1: coming out of the school, Well, first of all, Jennifer
Speaker 1: is white Wave, and so she that's represented with Venus absolutely,
Speaker 1: and she's at the top of the stairs and he
Speaker 1: never ascends up, but she starts coming down and she
Speaker 1: meets him, but he doesn't go up, which makes total sense.
Speaker 2: And then we've got the mom too. But you know,
Speaker 2: her name is Lorraine, which doesn't translate into much but
Speaker 2: La Rain like queen and isis and then we get
Speaker 2: into you know, I'm gonna marry my son things, so
Speaker 2: that you were you were.
Speaker 4: Saying it doesn't relate to much, but I think Nick
Speaker 4: was talking about it released to Cronos, right, the Rain.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah, and some of the uh the Jamatu
Speaker 5: when I get to it, yeah, Lorrain.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah h And that's that's what Hatty was just
Speaker 4: saying too, right, So you came up with some Jamatria
Speaker 4: conclusions concluding what Hatty was just saying without you know,
Speaker 4: from two Cybarate angles.
Speaker 3: It sounds like, yeah, yeah, I have to.
Speaker 5: Look for that.
Speaker 3: That's pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: I know when you were saying that, Heidi, I was
Speaker 4: just you know, I was like, wait a second, I've
Speaker 4: heard these, I've heard some similar things before, and I
Speaker 4: was looking back at Next Nights and me yep ye, Nick,
Speaker 4: Nick already reached the inclusions.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, no, no, you totally.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's interesting because I think it's great.
Speaker 4: You're saying it from one perspective. He's doing jamatry and
Speaker 4: come up with that same conclusion. It's reaching these things.
Speaker 6: That's that's interesting because there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 6: deeper launch.
Speaker 5: Even with totching too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, I like this. That's interesting.
Speaker 6: When the prince is at Mercury, like Marty's at Mercury
Speaker 6: before he leaves on his magic journey. Okay, the mother
Speaker 6: the venus sprample, Heidi said, So we're kind of synthesizing
Speaker 6: Nick and Heidi his ideas. She's attracted to him. That's
Speaker 6: kind of the idea. But it's really it's like electromagnetic,
Speaker 6: that's really what it is. But it gets a confusing feeling, right,
Speaker 6: It's it's easily confused. That's very hermetic, that's very mercurial.
Speaker 6: It's like kind of entwined.
Speaker 1: So because father and he took his father's place when
Speaker 1: he got hit by the car, so he becomes the
Speaker 1: father's journey and it's it's linear than and like just
Speaker 1: like when I say isis and stuff like I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like with the Isis horse, what does she do?
Speaker 1: She says he's the reincarnation of her husband. So that
Speaker 1: combination makes total sense.
Speaker 5: You know, yes, Oh, real quick, h JJ, if you
Speaker 5: don't mind, Yeah, I was, I did. I wasn't speaking
Speaker 5: up fast enough before we left off a Martin McFly.
Speaker 5: I did actually have some things just real quick. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to with him because I did have a
Speaker 5: section just.
Speaker 2: At least do.
Speaker 4: Going on with his character, right, yes, kind of the
Speaker 4: uh he's kind of that that not only the Hero's journey,
Speaker 4: but he's kind of that Masonic kind of uh what
Speaker 4: do they call it, like sun God kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: Well, see, this is this is something that I've said before.
Speaker 5: I and Horace would fit in there, just with total us.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking up, the kind of a
Speaker 3: horror situation.
Speaker 5: Well, the thing is, in my opinion, the Hero's Journey.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're gonna have different characters for the same
Speaker 5: exact person or energy. It's just gonna have a different name.
Speaker 5: Like I've said before, I think like to and Horace
Speaker 5: and Raw, it's all the same technically. I guess energy
Speaker 5: or thing. It's just during a different time in space.
Speaker 5: It's something else.
Speaker 4: But uh right, that's well, that's what that's the term
Speaker 4: of hermetic, right, that's thought and and another character, right,
Speaker 4: very chemical.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you from going from one character to the next.
Speaker 4: And they matched me together and then they become Hermes
Speaker 4: trist Magestus, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but with Martin McFly as, uh that is the
Speaker 5: nature of cultism, it seems, yes, Marty McFly as Mercury
Speaker 5: and Hermes kind of like an archetype. But I did
Speaker 5: I did have him there too, But Kuser Peach mentioned
Speaker 5: his name is Mars though too. Yeah, Martian right, yeah, Mars, Yeah,
Speaker 5: like war force.
Speaker 3: Kind of this this chaos effect, right, is that what
Speaker 3: that means is like a chaos effort or cho.
Speaker 5: Any chaos to create change regardless, someone's messenger. I looked
Speaker 5: at him as a messenger between both worlds. I even
Speaker 5: looked at it like in the beginning when he plays
Speaker 5: the guitar, kind of like the like the logos of Thunder,
Speaker 5: Hermes invents the lyre. So, I mean I did wonder
Speaker 5: if there was like somewhere a connection with that. He's
Speaker 5: kind of a trickster again even playing the guitar, that's
Speaker 5: vibration and sound, you know, to right to the.
Speaker 3: Loudest degree, right, So that's a very trickster element to that.
Speaker 5: Right, Technically, he does go to the future and brings
Speaker 5: back knowledge. I mean, he knows what's his face's death,
Speaker 5: So I mean he is somewhere who was going back
Speaker 5: and forth with bringing knowledge Hermes or I could be
Speaker 5: wrong about the exact person. He had? What wings on
Speaker 5: his shoes?
Speaker 3: This guy's got to ask you, right, he's got a
Speaker 3: skateboard with wings, right.
Speaker 5: He's got a skateboard and a hovering skateboard, so I
Speaker 5: mean he does kind of got like traveling feet in
Speaker 5: the sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to ask you about that because
Speaker 2: that is the hermit real quick with the wings.
Speaker 8: Right, do you know how much? Go ahead, I was
Speaker 8: just gonna say, because I love sneakers and I have
Speaker 8: a lot of Nikes. Do you know how much the
Speaker 8: Marty mcflies are? Dude, don't even fucking.
Speaker 5: Try to.
Speaker 3: But is it isn't Nike. It's a good point because
Speaker 3: isn't Nike an ancient Greek god as well?
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why I bring it up because I also
Speaker 8: own the forest Gump running shoes.
Speaker 2: For Gump.
Speaker 8: Right, I won't tell you how much I paid for him.
Speaker 8: But anyways, Nike is very important because we got like
Speaker 8: this whole Poseidon Mars chronos and he wears those nikes
Speaker 8: throughout almost the entire movie except for when he changes
Speaker 8: it over to the black converse. But anyways, the Marty
Speaker 8: McFly nikes are like a couple grand They don't even
Speaker 8: make that style anymore. But anyways, go ahead.
Speaker 5: Uh one other thing that I had to I mean,
Speaker 5: Marty McFly, you get the m m you know that's
Speaker 5: very Masonic. You have McFly, you already have like the
Speaker 5: fly in there, And this one could be a stretch,
Speaker 5: but he did find it interesting that in the movie
Speaker 5: he does get i think aggravated it maybe more than
Speaker 5: once being called the chicken. Nobody calls me the chicken can.
Speaker 3: Call him red too later, right, So that's another kind
Speaker 3: of Mars reference.
Speaker 5: Right, And Mercury's animal was a rooster, So maybe that's
Speaker 5: why they want to be the chicken, because no, a rooster,
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: So it sounds like they're covering the whole basis of
Speaker 4: the planetary system here with one character.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, he's gonna he's gonna any any male energy
Speaker 5: in that cabalistic tree is going to be all him
Speaker 5: and every female energy and that cabalistic tree. That's probably
Speaker 5: why you have the girlfriend in the beginning in order
Speaker 5: for him to my opinion, in order for you to
Speaker 5: cross the abyss, you have to kind of untangle the
Speaker 5: feminine energy. That's why he doesn't bang his girlfriend. Now
Speaker 5: on the other side, if he would have banged his
Speaker 5: mom things, you know what I'm just saying, like, now
Speaker 5: you have the total opposite. Like it's just.
Speaker 4: So the hero's journey, this travel through the cabalistic tree,
Speaker 4: this is all this is all represented by traveling, by
Speaker 4: traveling through these different planets of his character. Right, he's
Speaker 4: representing Mercury when one time he's representing you know what
Speaker 4: was the Purple one?
Speaker 3: Again?
Speaker 2: Was that was that Pluto.
Speaker 5: Saturday?
Speaker 1: But the next point of Braxis too. I was thinking
Speaker 1: of Braxis with the chicken things.
Speaker 3: Are these are these all the same things though?
Speaker 2: Like the heroes the gate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the chickensary travels.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's starting from position A you could say, jumps
Speaker 6: in the Dolorean, then ends up he travels through time
Speaker 6: but the Wikipedia was very specific to say not through space.
Speaker 6: There you go, space is there? There's spot right now,
Speaker 6: spaceball all right there?
Speaker 1: Well one point the one point twenty one gigawatts to
Speaker 1: charge it is for? So think about I don't know
Speaker 1: if you know.
Speaker 8: I have that.
Speaker 4: Okay, did you say one point did you say one
Speaker 4: point twenty one jawats one point.
Speaker 2: Twenty one jigawatts?
Speaker 5: But I need a nuclear reaction to to generate the
Speaker 5: one point.
Speaker 2: Point I definitely have something on that.
Speaker 3: So before we get to the one point twenty one,
Speaker 3: Jacob watch what was this a Praxis and chicken business?
Speaker 2: I don't know just when Nick says that's what first
Speaker 2: came to my mind was a.
Speaker 3: Brax what's the connection there?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with them with a Braxism.
Speaker 8: Because he doesn't want to be called chicken?
Speaker 2: No, no, what is a Braxis? Though, Jim, you want
Speaker 2: to go on a Braxis?
Speaker 10: So?
Speaker 6: Broxis is a goetic spirit who's often associated with Saint Peter.
Speaker 6: If you're looking at it through more like left hand
Speaker 6: path so falsest and ones like how I used to
Speaker 6: and so it was, he's like a guardian of gates
Speaker 6: you could say if he serves the same function in
Speaker 6: the GOA as Sam Peter doesn't like the normative because
Speaker 6: they're all a colonel and.
Speaker 2: Chicken colonel he has, he's the chicken headed.
Speaker 6: Right there we got and then he feed our snakes.
Speaker 6: There we go and he holds his sigil is like
Speaker 6: a key and like an a and some other things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like I remember that left hand path business.
Speaker 1: Remember what he just said about that, because later later,
Speaker 1: that's going to be something I'm going to talk about later.
Speaker 4: It's the chicken headed snake got eating itself there, right,
Speaker 4: That's what we're talking about with the braxis.
Speaker 3: Well, not the it's not the That's what I was
Speaker 3: getting confused with. I couldn't think of the names I
Speaker 3: was getting them.
Speaker 6: Think just think of him in the positive polarity. So
Speaker 6: he's like the guardian of the gate. He's standing at Mercury.
Speaker 6: He the guy has to he has to go through
Speaker 6: where does he go through? He has to go through
Speaker 6: a eisode, so he has to pass through the truth
Speaker 6: through the world. Someone said like the Doctor Brown was
Speaker 6: the sort of like the working next set it. I
Speaker 6: was like, there's a tre mantrial link to like the
Speaker 6: world or the truth.
Speaker 2: With his name is is everything. Emma means everything.
Speaker 6: Everything, so it's everything that we see. So it's that
Speaker 6: path between like he has to go from householder to
Speaker 6: like magician. So he's a chicken because he's a householder,
Speaker 6: meaning that he doesn't know what the outside world is like.
Speaker 6: But once he's a rooster, the broxis he has to
Speaker 6: pass through that gate. It's like passing through the gate
Speaker 6: to adulthood. So he passed exactly.
Speaker 2: Looks like a rooster.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you're too right, it's like a harder rocket
Speaker 6: passing through negative space.
Speaker 4: It kind of seems like people are calling him chicken
Speaker 4: or people are calling him red. It seems like he's
Speaker 4: popping off like he's a cock. Right, kind of khaky
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 2: Nick's already laughing, not set up, yes to all of that.
Speaker 4: So do we have any Nick does anything else on
Speaker 4: Martiny McFly before we cruise over to doctor Everything Von Braun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yes, So Julie think about twenty one gigawatts?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I was want to say, I figure we
Speaker 4: get into that since he's the one point twenty one
Speaker 4: jigabat guy.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so that's that, That is how he feels this.
Speaker 4: Time machine is through this immense amount of power and
Speaker 4: and it's, uh, he needs this exit. I think they
Speaker 4: you know, obviously created through this you know, nuclear reaction
Speaker 4: with plutonium. But these are all elements of you know,
Speaker 4: real science, kind of rooted in some science fiction aspects
Speaker 4: to it, right, and this one point twenty one jigawats
Speaker 4: is probably rooted in some occultism, right, Is that?
Speaker 3: Is that what I'm here?
Speaker 8: Well, I don't know what anybody else got out of it,
Speaker 8: but I'll just give you kind of my very limited
Speaker 8: knowledge and what it means to me. Because before, before
Speaker 8: he says the thing about the jigawats, he sends Einstein
Speaker 8: into the future, right, and when he gets back, it's
Speaker 8: one twenty one a M yeah, And then he's as
Speaker 8: one point twenty one jigawats. And this to me stood
Speaker 8: out because it's like, why did they one two one
Speaker 8: one two one? Why they keep using this one to one?
Speaker 8: And I mean, I just I don't remember was JJ
Speaker 8: on the Gamatria episode or not.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm not the only one Joe.
Speaker 8: No, Okay, So me and Nick were talking about on
Speaker 8: the Gamatria episode the significance of four and the significance
Speaker 8: of eight, And there are plenty of eighths in here,
Speaker 8: but the one point one, right, the one point twenty
Speaker 8: one is also the four. So I feel like, you know,
Speaker 8: and they're they're using that over and over again. One
Speaker 8: point twenty one? Jigawats what one twenty one a m
Speaker 8: And it's very specific at like to me that that
Speaker 8: would be something they want to catch your attention. So
Speaker 8: I don't what you guys get out of that.
Speaker 1: Before I say I'm gonna have Nick go because he's
Speaker 1: got the Jamatria, I think he might have to.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what the thing is is it pops
Speaker 5: up as if I was to go through my notes. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there was a lot of eights, that is for sure.
Speaker 5: There was even there was even a picture that I
Speaker 5: had that even shows an eight. Like one of the
Speaker 5: roads is like a route or something. It shows out
Speaker 5: with Marty the frame which.
Speaker 3: When you got there, Bud, we got Hill Street, Hill
Speaker 3: and Maine.
Speaker 2: Do you have control of this because or do I?
Speaker 3: You got it nice.
Speaker 5: Right there?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: And it was obviously very intentional because this is a set.
Speaker 3: They all did this on right, So.
Speaker 2: This is not like add the numbers three ninety five too,
Speaker 2: like it's eight eight eight.
Speaker 8: Well, so also also just really quick, the clock tower
Speaker 8: has a lion on either side or a lion s yeah,
Speaker 8: and then he lives in lion estate, which is two lions. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and the lion is Leo, which is the eighth month
Speaker 8: of the year. So you're getting double eights on the
Speaker 8: clock tower and double eights on the estate that he
Speaker 8: lives in.
Speaker 3: So that you're saying.
Speaker 8: Because the lion is Leo the eighth month. So if
Speaker 8: you look at it, it's eighty eight on the clock
Speaker 8: tower and eighty eight on lion estates and then one
Speaker 8: point twenty one jigawatts and one twenty one a m
Speaker 8: is four and so if you added that, that's eight again.
Speaker 8: But anyways, a lot of eights, a lot of fours,
Speaker 8: a lot of a lot of significance on time and
Speaker 8: numbers for sure, the four for.
Speaker 1: Sure, because it's all of the elements together. And so
Speaker 1: you're right, yeah, charging it with everything, And think of Emmett.
Speaker 1: What is he He's everything, He's the universe and and
Speaker 1: he's the one that's always talking about this for because
Speaker 1: it makes sense because he's everything so goodness these.
Speaker 5: Lines, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are some pretty interesting little uh. I mean again,
Speaker 4: taking into note that this.
Speaker 5: Is all that's a Russian pin.
Speaker 4: This, you know, this is all very well designed, you know,
Speaker 4: for a purpose here. This is the strange enough, this
Speaker 4: is I believe this is the same set they use
Speaker 4: for Gremlins the year prior to yours, prior maybe.
Speaker 8: As far as the Badass I loves.
Speaker 4: Have you watched Gremlins and you watched you know, back
Speaker 4: to Future, you'd be like, wait a second, I've seen
Speaker 4: this town square before the but no, these lines are
Speaker 4: very interesting because you obviously you see him like very
Speaker 4: prominently between you know, him and Brown in the middle
Speaker 4: of the clock. And it's a very it's a very
Speaker 4: scene that you recalled. It gets, you know, very long
Speaker 4: lasting a scene in your memory.
Speaker 8: I feel like there is a clock at the beginning
Speaker 8: the very opening scene though, jj of that a guy
Speaker 8: hanging off of the clock tower, just like that.
Speaker 3: It's it's you got to find an image of that.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go back and watch it though
Speaker 3: and find that do it.
Speaker 8: It's in there. It's an opening scene, opening scene.
Speaker 6: It's interesting that errows like it's almost pointing onto like
Speaker 6: the paths that the magicians should take, like which way
Speaker 6: he should?
Speaker 1: I know that I have some things that I want
Speaker 1: to say, but I don't want to say it yet
Speaker 1: because it'll wreck stuff because we're not there yet.
Speaker 2: But yes, absolutely, or should I wreck it?
Speaker 1: What? Nick?
Speaker 4: Did you have anything else on that pen you were
Speaker 4: talking about? Excuse me all the what you were talking about?
Speaker 4: A pin on your slides here? Pin somebody's somebody?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, oh wow, my bad, my bad. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that was the pin that I mentioned before. You can't
Speaker 5: really see it too well, but it is a it's
Speaker 5: a pin that goes back to uh, some Russian stuff again.
Speaker 5: It's just when when I get into it, it's just
Speaker 5: a lot of stuff, rocket stuff jamatria. Uh yeah, let
Speaker 5: me pull up my notes.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be word of its Russian rocket stuff? It connects. Besides,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 5: Something with like art art gallery, okay, yeah, place of Uh.
Speaker 5: Marty wears a souvenir. It's a souvenir button from the
Speaker 5: Art and Revolution Soviet art and designed from nineteen seventeen
Speaker 5: to nineteen thirty five. Exhibition that toured the UK in
Speaker 5: the late nineteen seventies early eighties, mostly known at Liverpool's
Speaker 5: Walker Art Gallery.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a weird thing to incorporate in this film,
Speaker 3: not you think.
Speaker 5: Well, there's tons of like weird Russian shit, so many
Speaker 5: Easter eggs that was very red on of them.
Speaker 4: Okay, there you get more more embedding in the communism
Speaker 4: and the era of the of the times, right, the
Speaker 4: Ansi communism.
Speaker 5: Mara one thing I can bring up I have in
Speaker 5: front of me, now, sure if it goes with the
Speaker 5: seventeen in the eight it's kind of like what I say.
Speaker 3: I'm around a roll with these numbers. Please, yeah, please
Speaker 3: keep going, all right.
Speaker 5: All right? Yeah, when Marty leaves the house, he is
Speaker 5: the address. It's sixteen forty six at equal seventeen, and
Speaker 5: then you can turn that into eight again. Then you
Speaker 5: also get I don't know what made me think about it,
Speaker 5: that is a date and I looked that up for
Speaker 5: like anything to go with ma sonic stuff. And back
Speaker 5: in October twenties, well October sixteenth, sixteen forty six, going
Speaker 5: by the old calendar, which would be October twenty sixth,
Speaker 5: sixteen forty six. Elias Ashmole, who was an A Brosa
Speaker 5: Crucian too. We've covered him on the Occult Rejects with
Speaker 5: Absidia Mott, and he got initiated into freemasonry. And that
Speaker 5: is the very moment Doc and Marty fire up at
Speaker 5: the Loren. It is October twenty six, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Interesting, it looks like Marty's address is sixteen forty six.
Speaker 5: Yes, that's why, Yeah, the first yeah, sixty.
Speaker 3: These things are a lot of these things are deeply
Speaker 3: better than is what you're telling me.
Speaker 5: In sixteen forty six, the Saint John that there was
Speaker 5: a Masonic Wait, hold on one second, there was one
Speaker 5: thing that I wanted to just mention. Anything is interesting.
Speaker 5: Thomas Brown's he has a book that comes out that
Speaker 5: coins in sixteen forty six, as well coins the word electricity,
Speaker 5: So the word electricity even comes out in six forty six.
Speaker 5: And somebody else that I have mentioned multiple times, and
Speaker 5: I've said about like being able to move you know,
Speaker 5: spirits of demons through light and crystals. Anthonysius Kircher in
Speaker 5: sixteen forty six put out a book saying that he
Speaker 5: thinks that you can project moving images with light.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's very interesting thing because that's really what we're
Speaker 4: talking about here is the magic through the moving images
Speaker 4: of light.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, And I should have clarified on my address,
Speaker 1: it's the real address of the real house.
Speaker 5: So nine three zero throw that might be the happen
Speaker 5: because I think it does change.
Speaker 2: I think that's just the actual reel at like where
Speaker 2: they film.
Speaker 4: And I was just looking at that too. How do
Speaker 4: you write there is the idea of they made a
Speaker 4: fictional address for these buildings versus the real locations, even
Speaker 4: the numbers once again, because right, no reality is yeah,
Speaker 4: well there you go, there you go. That's a good
Speaker 4: way to look at it too.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and.
Speaker 6: Bringing the polls together. You're layering it, you're using you're
Speaker 6: choosing a house that has a magic number to begin with.
Speaker 6: There's lots of houses that do. Then you're going to
Speaker 6: add in your metafictional very all magicians do this. They
Speaker 6: kind of create like a fake narrative. We could say
Speaker 6: it's not that it's a lie, it's just that it's
Speaker 6: it's like a movie. It's like kind of fictional, so
Speaker 6: but it's kind of real at the same time because
Speaker 6: there's like real it's a real underlying truth, like I'm
Speaker 6: really impressed by everybody. Let me just say, like how
Speaker 6: good like Nick is, Heidi is, Julia is you are JJ.
Speaker 6: Like I didn't know any of this coming into this,
Speaker 6: Like I didn't really have that deep of a thought,
Speaker 6: but I I and I have to say that the
Speaker 6: thing about Jupiter that he he keeps saying is really
Speaker 6: important because there's the sayingbull that the spark, the mercurial element,
Speaker 6: that the starting point of the prince is the heart
Speaker 6: of that Jupiter character or the Zeus character, it's the
Speaker 6: heart of Hesseid. So it has to go through his
Speaker 6: journey in order to be expansive like lightning, to travel
Speaker 6: through space, that's the whole thing is and become lightning.
Speaker 6: Then he reflects off the water like a mirror, and
Speaker 6: the lightning goes everywhere else and then can energize like
Speaker 6: everything else.
Speaker 3: There's just so much lightning stuff here, right.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's some exactly what he said, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to say something at that towards the end, and
Speaker 1: it's gonna all come together exactly what he said. Like
Speaker 1: that's how I interpreted it anyway. But I like everybody's
Speaker 1: stuff because it's all different, you know. But it's a
Speaker 1: duality movie. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think there's a duality to all of it.
Speaker 5: Right, it's right, dre in Hill Valley, you're getting a
Speaker 5: duality exactly. That's even another thing you November fifth is
Speaker 5: one of the dates in.
Speaker 4: The movie, right, November fifth, nineteen fifty five was the day.
Speaker 4: I think that's when we developed the fox capacity.
Speaker 5: Right, that's Guy Folke's day too, right, Oh yeah, Hill
Speaker 5: Valley matches Guy folks.
Speaker 3: New ship.
Speaker 5: Yes. Well.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned Germany before and Einstein's Freemasons. The Freemason
Speaker 1: lodge that he was reportedly associated with is the Theodore
Speaker 1: ding new Hoff number one one.
Speaker 2: One in Berlin, Germany. I thought that was weird.
Speaker 5: Nice, No Hill Valley just even throw in that too,
Speaker 5: which I thought was weird because as I go along,
Speaker 5: like when we talk about things all at the Jamatia,
Speaker 5: as I follow it in my notes, you get a
Speaker 5: lot of twins stuff coming up, and you even have
Speaker 5: twin pines. You don't know a lot of stuff. It
Speaker 5: does match the twins in twin Peaks and two Keys.
Speaker 5: I thought that was maybe interesting because I think I
Speaker 5: started getting all right, just real quick. It is the
Speaker 5: next thing I have anyway at mayor Goldie Wilson. I
Speaker 5: looked up, you know, Goldie Wilson. His his name matches
Speaker 5: twin dragons, the Secret Key, and Wilson equals the Joker
Speaker 5: and the Dragon, and Valley equals like Marty, justter ussr
Speaker 5: and Caduces.
Speaker 3: How do you like?
Speaker 2: And man the Caducers too.
Speaker 5: You will get an excluppius later on, which is, you know,
Speaker 5: the same thing, just minus one of the one of
Speaker 5: the snakes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 8: Also, if you add eleven plus five plus fifty five
Speaker 8: is seventy one some plus one.
Speaker 5: You get another eight Holy smokes, eleven times eleven one
Speaker 5: twenty one.
Speaker 4: The eights are really everywhere in this film. I mean
Speaker 4: it went really hard tocore on that. Huh yeah, old Max,
Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, shooting Max.
Speaker 2: And I like that.
Speaker 4: I like the Maxing terminology of the I'm trying to
Speaker 4: the zoo the zoomers. That's more of a zoomer term.
Speaker 6: I feel like, Yeah, but if you're very online, like
Speaker 6: if you're.
Speaker 3: Is that a keynote term where we talk about that term.
Speaker 6: That's the zemers, but it's it's keeping by millennial Saturday.
Speaker 5: It's cool, yo. I had that stuff on jennermen.
Speaker 3: It kind of cracks me up, right, like the whole
Speaker 3: idea of Max and you're right this go ahead, nic
Speaker 3: what we're saying.
Speaker 5: Yes, I didn't throw up. I had that. I finally
Speaker 5: looked at that stuff with the Jennifer the Jamacho U
Speaker 5: asked me to talk about. Yeah, that equals in simple
Speaker 5: of Venus Horus Mason's square tower.
Speaker 2: The fool.
Speaker 5: My phone number is five five five four eight two seven. Now,
Speaker 5: I mean I just kind of took out the five
Speaker 5: to five. No, I'm sorry, four eight two three. I
Speaker 5: took out the five five five because it's like on everything,
Speaker 5: and the last four would equal seventeen. You can add
Speaker 5: to eight again, damn. And he lives in Lion the States,
Speaker 5: and then simple that equals twin and Lion and Hebrew
Speaker 5: equals Russian.
Speaker 2: Well there the twin pillars, don't you think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were back to the duality here too, right,
Speaker 4: we got the different versions of the mall during from
Speaker 4: times right with this, like you're saying, Julia with the
Speaker 4: with the nine to eleven predicted programming aspects to you,
Speaker 4: you also have the single tower now too, right.
Speaker 8: Well, I was going to say I think this would
Speaker 8: be a good time if if you could JJ to
Speaker 8: play my clip. If not, I can. He texted to
Speaker 8: Nick and see if he can get it pulled up
Speaker 8: on his But I did email it to you.
Speaker 4: Well, well let's uh, you know, I I'll work on
Speaker 4: that here. Let's let's start talking about some of your
Speaker 4: thoughts are on the mall. Well, I get that clip
Speaker 4: up here for us.
Speaker 1: Please, I mean the twin twin turns to the loan
Speaker 1: because he's finished the journey.
Speaker 2: He's not he's coming out, he's not going in. So
Speaker 2: it's completion type. Is it one?
Speaker 8: Thirty four? Am eight as well?
Speaker 2: It's all eight mm hm, there you go.
Speaker 6: But you never reduced You should really never reduce a
Speaker 6: prime number. I'm not saying you're wrong, it's not. It's
Speaker 6: not like that. I think you're you're right. It's eight,
Speaker 6: but it's it's all. It should be seventeen. But Heidi's right,
Speaker 6: because it is it's showing a different path on the tree,
Speaker 6: so it's the one plus the thirty four. Thirty four
Speaker 6: is the number of apotheosis. So you've gone through the
Speaker 6: whole tree and then you've exactly like Heidi set, you've
Speaker 6: come back into the kingdom. But the twin pines mall
Speaker 6: you've split off. You are the hero on the dragon,
Speaker 6: you are the beast and the hero both and then
Speaker 6: you've just gone up straight to Tifferi. So you have
Speaker 6: to the son, which is again to your point about
Speaker 6: the lions, Julia, like, that's what the symbol is. Leo
Speaker 6: is the son, so that's why you see that there.
Speaker 6: So it's like, that's also the beast. That's why it's
Speaker 6: a noble animal, but it's.
Speaker 2: Also a beast and also the son.
Speaker 1: It is the son doing the journey for the father
Speaker 1: because he takes his place and kicks him out of
Speaker 1: his place where he should be because he's the one
Speaker 1: that gets hit by the car. So therefore, once again, can.
Speaker 8: We just say the fact that George McFly was a
Speaker 8: peeping creep in.
Speaker 2: To weird, so weird, I have a sexual sext magic. Again,
Speaker 2: you're getting.
Speaker 4: That's all that gets super creepy, really circumcidering all those aspects.
Speaker 2: It is dark.
Speaker 3: So you're saying there's some sex magic aspects numerology of that,
Speaker 3: there's some.
Speaker 2: Like actual like outward ones at the end too.
Speaker 1: And with George McFly, I I dare say when we
Speaker 1: get to him, it'll make a lot more sense. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hold onto it so I don't mess you guys
Speaker 1: up because we're going to play the clip.
Speaker 6: And I don't know if Nick said this, but maybe
Speaker 6: he is the fool.
Speaker 4: We're gonna have to take a moment on that clip
Speaker 4: because I couldn't quite download, but I didn't forward.
Speaker 3: He can handle it. My connections to the moment and
Speaker 3: the file was too big.
Speaker 8: Can I text?
Speaker 5: I got it right now?
Speaker 8: Oh perfect? If you can, if you'll, if you're able
Speaker 8: to a play, that would be super helpful. It wouldn't
Speaker 8: it wouldn't. Let me share it all on my end.
Speaker 1: I can say one thing, why we're going and talking
Speaker 1: about this about George. If you guys want so, I truly.
Speaker 3: Believe done with everything von Braun here is ever telling me?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Think okay, the whole thing, that's just the whole the
Speaker 6: whole film is you can consider like a von Braun Parson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6: Even this image that you pulled up, it's call a
Speaker 6: sick exactly like what Nick said, Most people don't pick
Speaker 6: up the purple density I've been on. Most people don't.
Speaker 6: They'll associate black like deep black, but there's actually a
Speaker 6: flashing blue and a purple there.
Speaker 5: Purple purple is basically saturn.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's a right when nix that, like, that's
Speaker 6: like that's more deep knowledge, Like most people wouldn't say that,
Speaker 6: they would say black whatever. So that's what I mean
Speaker 6: going like a little more. You'd have to have a
Speaker 6: little more magic knowledge maybe to like pick that specific
Speaker 6: thing rather than just pick Like if you're picking from
Speaker 6: a book, you're going to pick black because that's what
Speaker 6: the books would tell you. But if you're picking from experience,
Speaker 6: you'd pick purple with the flashing gold and the lightning
Speaker 6: in between, because that's like the luminosity.
Speaker 8: Do you think that it's significant The mayor's name is
Speaker 8: Goldie whatever whatever, Goldie Wilson Wilson, Yeah, Goldie Wilson. Like
Speaker 8: because you mentioned the J. C. Penny and like the
Speaker 8: other stuff and then like the mayor's name is Goldie.
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
Speaker 8: Could be also inspired by Marty because Marty says, oh,
Speaker 8: you should run for mayor, So it's like he impacted
Speaker 8: that outcome as well.
Speaker 4: His he had a very tost Gump experience. You know
Speaker 4: before zamkas Is Forest Gump. I mean, Marty McFly did
Speaker 4: a lot lot of fun. Yeah, we're saying, Jen apologize,
Speaker 4: I stepped on it.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, that's okay. I just think that that
Speaker 6: was a really interesting point Julia made, like about the mayor,
Speaker 6: and then Nick said, like a bunch of amazing points
Speaker 6: about the mayor's name, like the double keys. That's very
Speaker 6: Saint Peter, Like we're talking about a braxis. Part of
Speaker 6: his sigil is a key. Saint Peter holds the double keys,
Speaker 6: but there was actually more than two keys to get
Speaker 6: into the gate of habit in a more esoteric greeting.
Speaker 6: So that's really interesting, right, And so yeah, maybe he's
Speaker 6: like the he's the grand master of the town. He's
Speaker 6: like the grand master mason of their little lodge in
Speaker 6: the middle of wherever they are. So that's what I
Speaker 6: would see him as. He's the tifferatic in nature. He's
Speaker 6: a thirty three even has like his one of his
Speaker 6: billboards had magic numbers. I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 6: I'm sure Nick wrote it in his notes, but I
Speaker 6: just I that's like immediately what I thought, Like Goldie
Speaker 6: Wilson tifferatic, like, Okay, he's going to be the boss,
Speaker 6: but he was projected outwards so that it was like
Speaker 6: a very I consider this film like very plus ultra,
Speaker 6: like it's very like magicians wrote it. Magicians kind of
Speaker 6: inserted their little you know, little like little tricks and
Speaker 6: interesting little points to the East Eggs as I do
Speaker 6: you call them. That's a perfect way to describe it.
Speaker 6: So they inserted it in and they're like, oh, how deep?
Speaker 6: How many layers can you go? Because interestingly, this is
Speaker 6: considered a perfect film, like there's no technical errors. The
Speaker 6: editing is considered like really really good, right, So it's
Speaker 6: a perfect Herman nutic to carry the magicians East Eggs
Speaker 6: Seeds forward into the future, because what travels through space
Speaker 6: and time but flashing light and moving images?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I got I finally got your video
Speaker 4: cueued up here, Julia. I was able to finally download
Speaker 4: it here. My connection got better.
Speaker 5: But I just coarting it. I couldn't get it.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't get I got not have to share it
Speaker 2: from a different app.
Speaker 4: But do we have any more commentary here on some
Speaker 4: of the this George mc flaud Before we jump into that.
Speaker 2: Oh George.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have lots on George, but I can wait
Speaker 1: until you know it's we got them up right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just think that George, there's a couple of things
Speaker 1: that were Easter eggs that I found, and that's that.
Speaker 1: He he mentioned that he was a left handed person,
Speaker 1: but he's writing right handed for some most of it.
Speaker 1: And they used to push this on people because it
Speaker 1: was very seen as negative. And I dare say this
Speaker 1: whole thing is about how George's life is going to
Speaker 1: be changed if he continues on right hand path or
Speaker 1: the left hand path right, and they're forcing him to
Speaker 1: be on the right hand path, but we don't really.
Speaker 2: Know if that's what he would decide.
Speaker 1: And so we also have his name means earthworker or farmer,
Speaker 1: and or it means works with the dirt, which we
Speaker 1: get back to Adam. Adam means ready we get into
Speaker 1: the whole Adam, you know Mason type stuff there when
Speaker 1: we're talking about creation. So where George is concerned, I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty interesting that eventually, when he's had enough
Speaker 1: of enough and he punches the guy, he does it
Speaker 1: with his left hand, even though he's been using his
Speaker 1: right hand.
Speaker 2: The whole time, and so it's yeah, and then what
Speaker 2: happens is he goes home.
Speaker 1: And also we have to remember the lightning path is
Speaker 1: a direct ascension and it's fast and it works, but
Speaker 1: also it's not always the best way. It's very magical.
Speaker 1: It's very left hand path to choose lightning, and you
Speaker 1: go back and his life is completely not hard anymore.
Speaker 1: He's got all the comforts which would be very Luciferian,
Speaker 1: very left hand pathy, like, okay, you know, it's much
Speaker 1: better now. Now he's bossing people around. Now he's the
Speaker 1: boss of his own universe, and he's chosen that one
Speaker 1: thing changed everything for George, that punch.
Speaker 3: Sure, so I can go on left handed path.
Speaker 2: Hum, that's how I felt about it.
Speaker 6: Interesting, that was an incredible point. I have to say, like, honestly,
Speaker 6: I didn't touch on it all, but it's like sounds
Speaker 6: so obvious when Heidi's singing, and I'm like, oh fuck,
Speaker 6: why did I Why did I.
Speaker 2: Had help with the punch? But the thoughts were mine
Speaker 2: on the rest.
Speaker 4: I think the folks of the chat and the interwews
Speaker 4: you agree with you. How that's an excellent point.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you. I think that that's all, you know.
Speaker 1: And so when we think about Marty, why is he
Speaker 1: the one going through this path right because he took
Speaker 1: the Dad's place. We're back to isis what happens with
Speaker 1: Horace is the son is the father, and the father
Speaker 1: is the son.
Speaker 2: The son is the recreation of the father.
Speaker 1: So he takes over the journey to fix it for
Speaker 1: him because he's too much of a goofball really to
Speaker 1: do this right, Like he's just not doing it correctly.
Speaker 2: So the son is fixing it all the way.
Speaker 1: And then he ultimately gets the choice with the hit
Speaker 1: and he chooses which way he goes there, and then
Speaker 1: his whole life is completely changed after that.
Speaker 6: So that's fascinating when to look at that, and he's
Speaker 6: able to reconcile sort of the changes in his life.
Speaker 6: So he's like the true hermetic character of the movie.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they're one and the same because you know,
Speaker 1: the son is the father for a brief time until
Speaker 1: he returns to reality, which is why it's not reality
Speaker 1: because because it's you know, he's fixing past.
Speaker 4: So what's the show on what's the show on the
Speaker 4: background here? It's a good question from Dolan Ferguson. It's
Speaker 4: it's Ralph Cramton, right and the honeymooner's right.
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: I can't e would tell.
Speaker 3: Doesn't Ralph always want to send his wife to the moon?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh I think so. Yeah, Yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Always send his wife to the moon. I mean it's
Speaker 3: a little domestic violence, but I mean he's always trying
Speaker 3: to send his wife to the moon by hitting her, right.
Speaker 6: Heid he said a really great plan about how like, yeah,
Speaker 6: he's recifying the past. She didn't use that exact phrase,
Speaker 6: but it does exactly what she I mean, we're all
Speaker 6: speaking the same language, that's what she's talking about. You
Speaker 6: bring both hands into synthesis. You're fixing the sins of
Speaker 6: the father. Yes, it is in the dream of the magician,
Speaker 6: dream of the you know, person traveling. We're saying Marty,
Speaker 6: So it's like in his dream. But for the even
Speaker 6: in that dream, he is the he is those people.
Speaker 6: That's starchromatically correct. That sounds weird.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, No, that's a good No, I'm appreciate. That's
Speaker 4: a good point there. I just want to one cavet
Speaker 4: on the show.
Speaker 2: So that was the show.
Speaker 4: Later when he goes back in nineteen fifty five, the
Speaker 4: one there with George McFly. We see in the background
Speaker 4: him watching nineteen eighty five is Science Fiction Theater, which
Speaker 4: was a show from nineteen fifty five. It was his
Speaker 4: favorite show apparently as a child or whatever they're you know,
Speaker 4: as a teenager. So it's a little you know, it's
Speaker 4: a little interesting, right, little the show in the background
Speaker 4: is Science Fiction Theater.
Speaker 3: And then again they're doing some you know that more
Speaker 3: space stuff, right, more.
Speaker 6: Space space yep, not that more many though.
Speaker 1: No, Masony Mason's and a cold tea today.
Speaker 4: So do we have anything else here on mister McFly
Speaker 4: and before we kind of go over some of the
Speaker 4: esoteric aspects and the cold aspects of the journey that
Speaker 4: they go on here.
Speaker 1: No, But I have a funny little piece because you know,
Speaker 1: I love JFK so much when he goes back to
Speaker 1: the Ronald reg thing, he and he blows Doc's mind
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, who's the president then? And he's
Speaker 1: like Ronald Reagan and he and he says, why you
Speaker 1: have got an actor? Like does he need to look
Speaker 1: good on TV? That's a hat tip to JFK because
Speaker 1: JFK once time got on a speech. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna win because I look good.
Speaker 4: That's interesting because I have that clip right here, Roddy
Speaker 4: doc you gotta believe.
Speaker 5: Me, then tell me scuture boy, who's President of the
Speaker 5: United States in nineteen eighty five, Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 11: Ronald Reagan the actor's doc you gotta believe me, then
Speaker 11: tell me.
Speaker 2: I think that all.
Speaker 4: I think that also ties into the Donald Trump aspects
Speaker 4: that we see that introduced back to the future too,
Speaker 4: and kind of that kind of predictive nature as I
Speaker 4: was referring to, of where do these ideas come from?
Speaker 4: But that is an interesting aspect of JFK toospective.
Speaker 8: Did you notice when Marty gets to nineteen fifty five
Speaker 8: and he's walking through Towns school where the movie that's
Speaker 8: on it the movies is a Ronald Reagan No shit,
Speaker 8: well I know what one it.
Speaker 5: Is when they get yeah, yeah, yeah, it's up on
Speaker 5: the Yeah. The first thing, Yeah, what what you just said?
Speaker 1: Up on?
Speaker 8: The movie zooms in on it. Yeah, it says Ronald
Speaker 8: Reagan and it has.
Speaker 5: That's awesome.
Speaker 6: It's a meta movie. Before the meta movie, I never
Speaker 6: really thought about it like that because this never really
Speaker 6: gets considered to be like a meta film. The first
Speaker 6: meta film was Thesis, which is a Spanish film from
Speaker 6: like nineteen ninety five. So we're talking about like pretty
Speaker 6: late like past this film. But this film really actually
Speaker 6: has it all. It's really telling you. It's like everything's
Speaker 6: not in a wink to the outside reality, to the
Speaker 6: outside world. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I totally agree, And uh, I think that's
Speaker 4: a good point. It's good jumping off point for the
Speaker 4: video that that Julian wants to share with this here,
Speaker 4: which I've I've kind of keyed it down here. It's
Speaker 4: the name of the video a Paul Julia, but I've
Speaker 4: kind of keyed it down to these aspects of what
Speaker 4: we're just talking about there and the twin pines, mall
Speaker 4: the nine to eleven predicted programming.
Speaker 3: I am familiar with this clip?
Speaker 2: Is is this true?
Speaker 3: Stream media?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Who is that?
Speaker 3: Who originated this this clip?
Speaker 8: So Colby found it and he talked about it on
Speaker 8: his podcast, which is where this clip is from. If
Speaker 8: we can't play the whole thing, that's fine because I
Speaker 8: can sum it all up however much we watch. If
Speaker 8: we don't get the rest of it, I can sum
Speaker 8: it up. But the video that is in this clip
Speaker 8: is no longer available. It got removed. You can't find
Speaker 8: it on YouTube, you can't find it anywhere. So that's
Speaker 8: why I had to get the clip from his podcast episode,
Speaker 8: because you can't even go find the actual clip itself.
Speaker 8: So it's one of those things.
Speaker 3: I think I've seen a long time ago.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize it had been.
Speaker 4: It had been memory hold with the way Houdini here
Speaker 4: because that, yeah, I think that was true stream media.
Speaker 3: That made that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they've removed it from everywhere interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think there's some great points brought up
Speaker 4: in here with even additional layering of this whole you know,
Speaker 4: this whole nine to eleven twenty towers business, right, you
Speaker 4: know again, it's a I don't know if I don't
Speaker 4: know if that's the true stream media. The name, the
Speaker 4: name of that one, well, I don't remember all these names,
Speaker 4: too many names, but yeah, I have come across this clip.
Speaker 4: But it is interesting the would memory hole it there, right,
Speaker 4: because it's almost like it provides validity to the fact
Speaker 4: that there's something way way deeper.
Speaker 3: Going on here.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, do we have anything other commentary there before
Speaker 4: we start the clip. I think you were gonna say something.
Speaker 5: God, I think should already move with my notes. Uh, yeah,
Speaker 5: there was something I was gonna say about George mcflight,
Speaker 5: about the stuff that does.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Sorry, George mcflight again when you get I've already mentioned
Speaker 5: dragon in keys his name equals three keys and wood dragon,
Speaker 5: and George does equal magician, pineal, Rose and Saturnalia. Yeah,
Speaker 5: Lorraine his mother and his Lorraine his mother's name equals Kronos.
Speaker 4: And there's the what's you know, is there any reference
Speaker 4: to the cross of the Lorraine with the name with
Speaker 4: the use of the name Lorraine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, because if if to go with what Heidi
Speaker 6: had pointed out, like it's it can be also translated
Speaker 6: as the Queen. So Lorraine is also a region in France,
Speaker 6: so all of like people with that name that would
Speaker 6: have originated in that region of France. So yeah, it's
Speaker 6: like a very templar Rosicrucian, you know, very like it's
Speaker 6: a very magician's nod to something like wing Wain, Like
Speaker 6: look over here.
Speaker 1: Well, and to your point, Nick put to the pineal
Speaker 1: the twin pines, I mean, we've got pines, pine cones,
Speaker 1: I neil.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's all gonna be president.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the twin pines. That's very that's very much
Speaker 3: a nod of that. Huh, with the pine cones.
Speaker 8: I was gonna say that pine cone.
Speaker 4: All right, Well on that day, we'll we'll uh, we'll
Speaker 4: get started here on this journey on this video. Maybe
Speaker 4: I gotta get some sound going for us here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Oh, I don't think the sound is coming true.
Speaker 3: Is the sound not coming through?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Shoot, I was afraid of that. Well can you walk
Speaker 2: through it with your analysis? Why we watched the visual Julia?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you mind tell us what's going on here?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: She muted.
Speaker 8: Sorry, I can definitely do that. If you back it
Speaker 8: up to the beginning, we can speak through the whole
Speaker 8: eight minute thing in like two seconds, because I can
Speaker 8: break it down for you myself. But yeah, take it
Speaker 8: all the way back and I'll tell you when to
Speaker 8: fast forward it or whatever. So this guy is basically
Speaker 8: talking about how Back to the Future is predicting the
Speaker 8: nine to eleven terif attacks, and he starts with this
Speaker 8: letter because in the background here, if you can see us,
Speaker 8: he's writing this letter to Doc Brown, there's this there's
Speaker 8: a sign in the back with the big nine on it,
Speaker 8: and it's just that same intersection.
Speaker 3: With the was that an eight? Was that that eight?
Speaker 3: And three? The same one we saw the four next bloods.
Speaker 5: I thought I was the ship, putting the ship in
Speaker 5: my nose.
Speaker 8: Well, this right here he's saying like twin pines and
Speaker 8: actually the the terrorist attack with the twin pines, and
Speaker 8: if you flip the time upside down, it's nine to eleven.
Speaker 8: And so we got nine eleven at Twin Pines Mall
Speaker 8: with the terrorist attack, and then the pines are representing
Speaker 8: the towers whatever. And then at the end of the
Speaker 8: movie it's lone Pine representing the single what do they
Speaker 8: call it, the One World Tower.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, Yeah, trade Center.
Speaker 8: And then again Doc Brown on his clock, he sends
Speaker 8: ay into the future at one nineteen. That's another nine
Speaker 8: to eleven. But in the second back to the future,
Speaker 8: they got the twin Pines on the TV and they
Speaker 8: changed the channel and it immediately becomes a visual of
Speaker 8: the twin Towers right there. Yeah, so it's like there
Speaker 8: tin pines just like in the first one. Then it
Speaker 8: goes to the twin towers. This is supposed to be
Speaker 8: in twenty fifteen, right into the future, and the he's
Speaker 8: shown the nine to eleven thing again, the terrorist.
Speaker 2: Attacks the Libyans.
Speaker 8: Uh huh, and he talks about how this guy right here,
Speaker 8: I think it's George McFly. He's hanging upside down right oh,
Speaker 8: in the Statue of Liberty Torch, which also is like
Speaker 8: the New York reference with the twin towers there. But uh,
Speaker 8: is it George McFly in the second one that's hanging
Speaker 8: upside down in this scene?
Speaker 3: I can't remember, or is it market it's George, but
Speaker 3: it's not Crispin Glover.
Speaker 2: It is George the character Georgeman flaw right.
Speaker 8: So if you look at it from his perspective, basically
Speaker 8: with him hanging upside down, he'll flip it and it'll
Speaker 8: show like this is a projection of the towers falling
Speaker 8: in back to the future too.
Speaker 3: But if you act Terio hangman, is that what you said?
Speaker 2: M h it's very.
Speaker 8: But if you speed it up just a little bit,
Speaker 8: because we already talked about this part, it's doing towers
Speaker 8: Da Da DA nine to eleven hanging upside down.
Speaker 5: We talked about all you know, the Libyans where the
Speaker 5: Pharaohs like military. I did not know that, yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: And and in this uh, this bit, I just all
Speaker 5: since you know, waiting for it fast forward, they do
Speaker 5: they do, they do specify it's in AK forty seven
Speaker 5: and they said damn Russian guns or some shit like that,
Speaker 5: because I do have tons of stuff from points to Russia.
Speaker 5: So I'm even trying to show that with this part too.
Speaker 8: So in this part he's talking about how it says
Speaker 8: tower strike on the newspaper, tower struck, like twin towers,
Speaker 8: tower struck, and how in this scene it cuts it off,
Speaker 8: but it goes nine eleven with the fire nine one one,
Speaker 8: and then in the background is the all seeing eye,
Speaker 8: that is that is looking at them. And so Robert Zemeckis,
Speaker 8: this is the date when they go back into the future, right,
Speaker 8: October twenty for twenty fifteen. So Robert Zemeckis would later
Speaker 8: go on to direct a film called The Wire October
Speaker 8: twenty first, twenty fifteen, about a guy stringing a wire
Speaker 8: between the twin towers and walking across it. So he's
Speaker 8: literally referencing the date of the movie he's going to
Speaker 8: make in twenty fifteen, So from nineteen eighty five Back
Speaker 8: to the Future twenty fifteen when he comes out with
Speaker 8: the Wire on the day that he put in Back
Speaker 8: to the Future, Too, is another movie about the World
Speaker 8: Trade Center, which.
Speaker 4: Is wild because they made a documentary when the dude
Speaker 4: did that at the time, in the late seventies, right
Speaker 4: after they built the trade centers, he made a documentary
Speaker 4: about it, I believe, right, And so like.
Speaker 8: In Back to the Future, they're like, what's with the wire?
Speaker 8: What's with the wire? Talking about the wire from the
Speaker 8: clock tower to the Dolorean, and then Roberts Mechis goes
Speaker 8: on to make a movie called The Wire about a
Speaker 8: guy string and a wire between the twin towers and
Speaker 8: walking across it right the Walk. Yeah, it's called And
Speaker 8: the craziest part about it is actually the way that
Speaker 8: he dresses the character in the Walk is the last
Speaker 8: outfit Marty McFly has on right here, it'll show it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: So Marty McFly has on the black leather jacket, the
Speaker 8: red shirt, and I don't know, I guess like some
Speaker 8: kind of blue jeans or something. Literally, that's the exact
Speaker 8: outfit that he puts on the guy in the Walk
Speaker 8: Twin Times.
Speaker 3: Gordon levitt Man, that's jg L. What are you talking about?
Speaker 8: I never I never really liked him after ten Things
Speaker 8: I Hate about You.
Speaker 4: He's definitely ancient alien cargo cult. You know, heard rock
Speaker 4: from Son he plays in the Batman films.
Speaker 8: But yeah, so, I mean, it's it's literally kind of
Speaker 8: like this weird Twin Towers pictive programming thing between the
Speaker 8: first two Back to the Future movies and then a
Speaker 8: movie he literally directed exactly thirty years later to the
Speaker 8: date and Back to the Future too. October twenty first,
Speaker 8: twenty fifteen, he releases another movie about the Twin Towers.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's just wild.
Speaker 8: You wonder how much of this is purposeful?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: And it also kind of makes me wonder where does
Speaker 4: where does ideas come from? And how does time work?
Speaker 4: Because how does that get plan to do all those things?
Speaker 8: Like how did he know in nineteen eighty five to
Speaker 8: talk about October twenty first, twenty fifteen about a movie
Speaker 8: he hadn't even made yet, And.
Speaker 4: How does he know that some looney tune French fella
Speaker 4: is going to go to a trapeez act on top
Speaker 4: of the Twin Towers Back in seventy eight.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, you can't plain these things.
Speaker 6: I feel like, well maybe he can. Maybe that's an interesting.
Speaker 3: Way to I'm open to it. I'm open to it.
Speaker 8: Maybe how that news he's got a doc brown of his.
Speaker 6: Own somewhere, right, Maybe that's what it is, because like
Speaker 6: one of the masteries of time is the knowledge of
Speaker 6: your own astrological chart, so that that's demarcations of time
Speaker 6: in space, right, like very practical demarcations of time and space.
Speaker 6: So someone but there's also the idea of the magician
Speaker 6: who's going to like plan in the future like every
Speaker 6: what we call chrono poetic where we put like the seed,
Speaker 6: like he plans the seed in the film, and then
Speaker 6: he's like, I'm going to see this work to completion
Speaker 6: because like I've never even heard of that movie with
Speaker 6: like Gordon love It or whatever his name is, Like
Speaker 6: I've never heard of it. I've never seen it, and
Speaker 6: I'm I like a lot of Kenos. So I'm not
Speaker 6: saying that I know all the films, so I'm just
Speaker 6: saying that it's like it seems very forgettable. So I'm
Speaker 6: saying that, yeah, maybe he manifested it, but like what
Speaker 6: was it's just like some film about the why, right,
Speaker 6: Like he can, he can do the great work, but
Speaker 6: what is he really like bringing forth into reality.
Speaker 1: When we're talking about von Braun in space and all
Speaker 1: that too, and time travel.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying, like that gets weird.
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said. I'm glad you said manifesting also
Speaker 4: on top of the von Braun stuff, which I think
Speaker 4: is just very fascinating. That is, you know that this
Speaker 4: is all invited with again the whole Parsons relationship, right,
Speaker 4: but with regard to the reality. And Simon went, not like,
Speaker 4: well where are these ideas coming from? You know, is
Speaker 4: somebody are they? Are they manifesting some of these ideas.
Speaker 3: Through some sort of you know, external sources communicating these
Speaker 3: soon you know, a plan or even the ideas generally
Speaker 3: through these rituals.
Speaker 6: The space stick right as we call it, the space
Speaker 6: stick right right, it's very like me and like exactly
Speaker 6: like what Heidi's been saying the whole time. It's like
Speaker 6: it's a sleeping God and he has to be erect
Speaker 6: to travel through space. So the rocket is like the
Speaker 6: perfect vehicle, very heck a lot right to travel through
Speaker 6: space and to penetrate your mother because the sepherer actually
Speaker 6: are feminine in quality. It's kind of an interesting way
Speaker 6: to think about it too. It's like exactly what Marty
Speaker 6: is doing in the whole film. It's like, is he
Speaker 6: going to because it comes pretty close. It's like gets
Speaker 6: very weird. Jen I liked on that one. So do
Speaker 6: we have any any notes here on this the odometer
Speaker 6: run there? Because it all seems to be rooted in
Speaker 6: the eights again?
Speaker 5: Huh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh you have it up
Speaker 5: on the screen. I'm sorry it was the notes, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: I thought that was interesting, like when when they're uh
Speaker 5: because we were talking about like the male and the Libyans,
Speaker 5: it made me think about the odometer when he went
Speaker 5: to go jump and he you know, did you again
Speaker 5: you have the eight on there? You have thirty three
Speaker 5: oh six. I do find it interesting if you leave
Speaker 5: it up, though, it does change as he's driving somehow
Speaker 5: it goes backwards the bottom's ninth.
Speaker 3: Interesting and then what do you mean, well, the mileage
Speaker 3: goes backwards? Huh yeah, wow, is.
Speaker 5: That even at the time travel? I don't know, thirty
Speaker 5: three and then it goes back to thirty three oh
Speaker 5: six and you can see the two seven right there also,
Speaker 5: and then this is zero eight.
Speaker 2: Is this after or before?
Speaker 5: That's before he jumps. That's before he jumps.
Speaker 1: So he goes back, okay, and then he fixes everything.
Speaker 1: If you look backward on that, if you add the
Speaker 1: numbers on the on the other picture with the odometer,
Speaker 1: it goes back to a one on the bottom. Back
Speaker 1: to what I was saying on the completion. It's on
Speaker 1: the other a dometer on the changed one. When they
Speaker 1: fix it.
Speaker 5: When when he hits you know, when he crosses over,
Speaker 5: you remember how like he hits a scarecrow in that
Speaker 5: guy's property. Hey, yeah, yeah, scarecrow equals as scluppy as
Speaker 5: and Francis Bacon masonry. And the letters nine to eleven
Speaker 5: and April eighth and April eight is also the first
Speaker 5: writing of the book of the Law. The speed, the
Speaker 5: speed win hitting the scarecrow, you'll see on the screen
Speaker 5: is like, h if I let me see if I
Speaker 5: can move over.
Speaker 3: If you don't have that, bring it up.
Speaker 5: But right there he hits it at seventy seven. Seventy
Speaker 5: seven is Canduce's valley. Jester USSR silly.
Speaker 8: Damn Nick, I wouldn't expecting you.
Speaker 2: To hit me with that one.
Speaker 5: And then when he's leaving, you'll hear at some point
Speaker 5: in the movie, Doc says, uh, he was at mister
Speaker 5: Peabody's house. And Doc does say at some point he's like,
Speaker 5: the guy was supposed to be building a pine farm.
Speaker 5: I wonder why he never did. And as yes, and
Speaker 5: as he's leaving Peabody's yard, you hear him yell, you
Speaker 5: killed my pines.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 5: That's why I never got built, because Marty ran it over.
Speaker 8: I think that's also why it goes from twin pines
Speaker 8: to lone Pine, because Marty runs over just the one
Speaker 8: and then there's only one left stand ding Well.
Speaker 1: And he also fixes his dad's life and then completes
Speaker 1: the wholeness of the whole thing, so it changes.
Speaker 4: To one like he was a loser and becomes a
Speaker 4: successful author who's kind of a winner there when he comes.
Speaker 3: Back right after all that, Yeah, yeah, I like, I like,
Speaker 3: I like you picked up on all the rotary signs.
Speaker 3: And this is when you go into a town. I
Speaker 3: always folks, you know, if you get to a town,
Speaker 3: you see all these signs. When you pull into a town,
Speaker 3: that's who runs that town and he runs Hill Valley, right,
Speaker 3: the Lions.
Speaker 8: I'm surprised that the Masons aren't on there because all
Speaker 8: of the town signs in Oklahoma have the Masons on them,
Speaker 8: is it not?
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, they are the Lions Club and the Rotary Club.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess I was talking about right then, the
Speaker 8: old compass one the compass.
Speaker 6: What if what if the person to draft what Julius saying,
Speaker 6: what if the person making the film is a Mason?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm That's what I'm saying. That's that's that's
Speaker 3: the one, that's the will.
Speaker 6: They don't need to put the this, They don't need
Speaker 6: to put the sigil on the thing because they're wearing it.
Speaker 4: They also don't want to flag their own business necessarily
Speaker 4: too so symbolical, so overtly right, And it's kind of
Speaker 4: a to me, it almost seems like a nod, like, hey,
Speaker 4: the Masons aren't involved. They're trying to a trickster nod, right,
Speaker 4: because they're not including the sign on on the Hill
Speaker 4: Valley sign right, the symbol.
Speaker 5: And real quick I could actually connect all these to freemasonry.
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
Speaker 5: Gustaf Laura ate it wrong. Was one of the Rotary
Speaker 5: Cubs for founders. He was a Mason. The National Range
Speaker 5: founder Oliver Kelly was a Mason and used those ties
Speaker 5: to recruit farmers after the Civil War. Daniel Carter Beard,
Speaker 5: boy Scout pioneer who helped launch Campfire Girls, was a
Speaker 5: Mason as well. The Grange borrowed in It's an explicit
Speaker 5: harvest degree system from Masonic Virtual Handbook. Future Farmers of
Speaker 5: America built its opening and closing ceremony on the scene
Speaker 5: Orfiso pole format used the Masonic lodges. The American Legion
Speaker 5: has a short initiatory right and nineteen nineties Fraternal survey
Speaker 5: noted some posts whose memberships were entirely Masonic. So like
Speaker 5: what that's getting at is, basically some American Legion places
Speaker 5: were only like Masons. Basically that were numbers. Many small
Speaker 5: Kawanas or Optimist clubs rent local Masonic holes to do things.
Speaker 5: The civic freemasonries nineteenth century stress on philanthropy and networking
Speaker 5: inspired the progressive era in the servicing clubs, which was
Speaker 5: the Kawanas, the Optimists, and the Rotary. The Kawanis International
Speaker 5: sometimes uses Masonic lodges. The Rotary International will sometimes use
Speaker 5: Masonic lodges, and one of the founders, Gus Lore, was
Speaker 5: a Mason and uh Nazi Germany. I mean the American
Speaker 5: Legion again also has initiatorial things for that, the Grange,
Speaker 5: the Agricultural Degree, the Optimist International will also rent out
Speaker 5: meson like places to do their things at. So they
Speaker 5: were all either like somehow one of the founders was involved,
Speaker 5: they're renting that space, or they're actually including some of
Speaker 5: their initiatory stuff into their crap, every single one of them.
Speaker 5: I didn't cover the j c's. I actually forgot that
Speaker 5: that was there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the j didn't cover this.
Speaker 5: I didn't throw the j c's in there. But I mean,
Speaker 5: that's who the fuck was in the j c's that
Speaker 5: killed count clown.
Speaker 8: Killer John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, the j Yeah, there's something weird with that.
Speaker 3: He was National jay C of the Year, wasn't he.
Speaker 3: That's why he got photographs with Roslynd Carter.
Speaker 2: I believe yes, he was.
Speaker 8: That was in Program to Kill. Actually, Dave McGowan wrote
Speaker 8: about that. There was common it was McGowan. There was
Speaker 8: a comment that popped up. I don't remember. I think
Speaker 8: the user name was oak Tree sixty nine.
Speaker 3: I fine, you must see this one right here.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I don't know if they noticed this, because
Speaker 8: they say twin Pines Loan Pine upside down, V.
Speaker 2: And W and the terrorists were in a V W
Speaker 2: bug van or.
Speaker 8: Whatever they call him, of old swaggen hippie van, you know,
Speaker 8: which I thought was an interesting selection.
Speaker 2: And you actually.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you actually see that same van at the
Speaker 8: end of the movie when they're blasting off where we're
Speaker 8: going we don't need roads, that same van is parked
Speaker 8: on this on the street in front of the mcflyes household.
Speaker 2: So I thought that was interesting too.
Speaker 4: Here's a great that is very interesting. Here's a great
Speaker 4: comment about Darth Vader making that scene. And they're right
Speaker 4: when he does the the alien you know, invasion into
Speaker 4: his father's bedroom there in nineteen for there's nuclear suit.
Speaker 8: He mixes it with Star Trek too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it goes back again to all these you
Speaker 4: know rockets, the nast of the von Braun, the ancient
Speaker 4: alien cargo cult stories you knew of the you know,
Speaker 4: long time ago in a galaxy far far away with
Speaker 4: Star Wars, right, couldn't get any more incent alien than that.
Speaker 4: That's awesome. Stuff, though I appreciate the comments on those
Speaker 4: things as well. Did you have any any more points
Speaker 4: here on these slides?
Speaker 6: Oh? No, I just want to say that Julia made
Speaker 6: a realated comment and I also noticed that comment that
Speaker 6: you pulled up JJ, because it's very The whole film
Speaker 6: is very plus ultray. Even Hill Valley, it's like two
Speaker 6: poles of a magnet with a bridge between. Then you
Speaker 6: have the valley, the point of the star coming down,
Speaker 6: very eastern star right riving into manifestation. That's seventeen the
Speaker 6: seventeenth path of Kabbala Venus into your soad, it's coming
Speaker 6: into formation. So you're drawing like the Venus down the wealth,
Speaker 6: you know, all the magic that is that is light
Speaker 6: really and you're drawing it in. So it's something really
Speaker 6: interesting about like what everybody's saying, and just like the
Speaker 6: kind of meta narrative of the whole film, because you
Speaker 6: could also say that they're kind of telling you that, yeah,
Speaker 6: they use we use plutonium. This is our cover story.
Speaker 6: But then when he goes back in the past, he
Speaker 6: has to use lightning. So they're saying you can actually
Speaker 6: recreate it totally on your own through lightning, because like
Speaker 6: what Heidi said, it's all the dream, right, So the
Speaker 6: plutonium was just the trial in that time and space,
Speaker 6: but once they moved through time into a different space,
Speaker 6: they used a different method. I don't know, there's something
Speaker 6: really metaphysically interesting now that we're all talking about this,
Speaker 6: because I honestly did not catch all of this that
Speaker 6: I'm saying. So don't like like this is just like
Speaker 6: free range me just totally.
Speaker 3: Well, that goes conversations, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, to the two pines splitting apart because they go
Speaker 1: on the journey together to try and fix the dad's life.
Speaker 1: Like I've said, it's linear the whole time. And then
Speaker 1: as he returns, he's the only one returning to the
Speaker 1: one back to one, same with the speedometer going back.
Speaker 1: It went to one when you added him. So I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, it's a hero's journey all of this,
Speaker 1: you know, Greek stuff. But I mean I see every
Speaker 1: other point too.
Speaker 6: So yeah, he's the true he's like doing the Joe.
Speaker 6: I'll make a warming joke, Heidi. For you, he's the
Speaker 6: Joseph Smith of the journey.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: It travels through the arc. That's what the DeLorean is
Speaker 6: it's his arc, right, Yeah, so like he puts in
Speaker 6: the plutonium. Like you said, Pluto is kind of like
Speaker 6: the Dead Father, the corpse of the Father, maybe you
Speaker 6: could say. And so they spend it, so they spend
Speaker 6: his seed and then they wind up with nothing. So
Speaker 6: he kind of like burns out the arc. And then
Speaker 6: he asks to go get his friend who's the god
Speaker 6: of infinite giving Jupiter Zeus, and yes, rectify it.
Speaker 1: With lightning, yes, exactly, and then they win against Kronos
Speaker 1: in time. And then at the end when when they
Speaker 1: come back, well, I don't know if you want me
Speaker 1: to tell this now or well I was going to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can if we want to wrap up the
Speaker 4: storyline before we get into the actual time traveling device
Speaker 4: here the Delorian, before we you know, I'm going to
Speaker 4: close up some stuff around the DeLorean subject. But if
Speaker 4: you want to finish up the the cult stuff we've
Speaker 4: seen in the narrative, that's great.
Speaker 1: So when they re enter, when he comes back through,
Speaker 1: you'll see him come in and the scene she showed
Speaker 1: with the fire makes a piscey sign as they're.
Speaker 2: Coming through, and then on top of it, up in
Speaker 2: the cinema.
Speaker 1: Area, you'll see green lights and and it's glowing, so
Speaker 1: you know, with the green and the heart chakra re entrance.
Speaker 1: And then on the town theater when they come back,
Speaker 1: you'll see the movie has changed to an American orgy.
Speaker 2: It's a sex film, so sex magic.
Speaker 1: And then to the other side of it, it has
Speaker 1: Jesus saves signs and all these salvation signs. So there
Speaker 1: was his choice to go either again right right hand path,
Speaker 1: left hand past sex magic. Are you gonna be the
Speaker 1: magician of your own life and creation or are you gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, put your faith in something else? And then
Speaker 1: it's it's surrounding the hole that he comes like, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's.
Speaker 2: What I saw.
Speaker 4: I didn't catch the I didn't catch the maybe title
Speaker 4: with with that, that is very much a reference to
Speaker 4: such things as sex magic, which is interesting. So back
Speaker 4: to for Reacerman real quick, you just spawned a thought
Speaker 4: of mine. For Reackerman, he was a literary agent for
Speaker 4: ed Wood, you know, uh kind of a He was
Speaker 4: the pioneer of exploit exploitation films, which was largely blow Yeah,
Speaker 4: so he uh.
Speaker 8: You know, there you go with these the one from
Speaker 8: the Johnny Depp movie.
Speaker 4: That's the precise same one, and again Depth depths deeply
Speaker 4: involved in the neo process and the processes who popular
Speaker 4: popularized exploitation films in the seventies, such as Processed Church
Speaker 4: member John Waters, Hollywood director m hmm.
Speaker 8: Isn't it crazy how it's like literally every time with
Speaker 8: each new episode, I learn a plethora of fucking information.
Speaker 3: That's why I listen.
Speaker 4: I listened to all of a cult rejects when we
Speaker 4: get together, because I I know things when we're talking
Speaker 4: about I'm like, I always pick up other things I
Speaker 4: didn't know when I re listened to it too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you select.
Speaker 4: Very So I'll just say, now that we're talking about
Speaker 4: that scene, what are your thoughts on the hobo?
Speaker 1: Here?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Jen.
Speaker 6: No, it's just a super cabalistic image, and it actually
Speaker 6: fits really well with our discussions on Mormon and magic
Speaker 6: because it really is like a very good nuts oc color.
Speaker 6: But then there's also a quality of green that can
Speaker 6: be hoed. This is where a lot of people get confused,
Speaker 6: because there's like a blue green quality also there. So
Speaker 6: it can either be described as like emerald with light
Speaker 6: passing through, but it can also be described as blue
Speaker 6: green like turquoise, but that's really the reflection of Hesse.
Speaker 6: That's how it's described. So it's interesting because that's kind
Speaker 6: of the hermitic journey of the whole film, right, So
Speaker 6: it's kind of in one image, it kind of relays
Speaker 6: a hero's journey, like does he go through the mother
Speaker 6: the diamond into the splendors of light? Or does he
Speaker 6: travel through the fire into the path of the Father.
Speaker 4: And so you're saying he's kind of a messenger then,
Speaker 4: because I was thinking, this guy's kind of a messenger
Speaker 4: between all these worlds.
Speaker 3: He's always run into this d town.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: And then in that by the cinema, it's a clearer
Speaker 1: green instead of a turquoise green. It's more of a
Speaker 1: brighter green where you can see the American Orgy sign
Speaker 1: and the Jesus Saves and all that signs.
Speaker 2: And also we've got Biff before we leave him out,
Speaker 2: like Hiram a Biff.
Speaker 4: Well, then I was going to close out with Biff
Speaker 4: once we're done with the storyline here, because he ties
Speaker 4: it into the stuff with the Glorian after when we
Speaker 4: talk the Glorian stuff as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wanted to mention that and that the
Speaker 1: brother when you look at the photo, when they're looking
Speaker 1: at the picture of them disappearing, the brother's wearing a
Speaker 1: Disney Mickey Mouse shirt.
Speaker 2: I just had to say that since we've been talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's the m M right, Mickey Mouse, Marty mcfla.
Speaker 2: And that's all I have. I'll be quiet now. Sorry
Speaker 2: I nerded out on this.
Speaker 4: That's great, that's great now I like it. Do we
Speaker 4: have any other closing commentary on the journey that he
Speaker 4: took before we start closing out with biff In in
Speaker 4: the DeLorean?
Speaker 5: Oh, Delorian, I have some stuff I could talk about
Speaker 5: real quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do the Delorium. We'll roll it into fifteen
Speaker 4: and how does that sound? Yeah, and we'll call and
Speaker 4: and we'll call it in here after that.
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: What uh?
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on Delorian?
Speaker 2: Nick?
Speaker 5: Oh, the DeLorean? Well, I mean it's more like silver,
Speaker 5: so I kind of put that more with mercury, like
Speaker 5: kind of like quicksilver symbolic of the albedo stage in alchemy.
Speaker 5: It's plowered by powered like Heidi had even mentioned before,
Speaker 5: the plutonium Pluto god of the underworld.
Speaker 3: And what was the why situation? With the fox capacitor.
Speaker 3: What was the significance there in to me?
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the shape of the rising beast. And uh,
Speaker 5: when you're doing the l v X.
Speaker 13: Formula and uh you're interesting, Yeah, when you're actually Yeah,
Speaker 13: when you're doing a ritual, there's certain things that you
Speaker 13: make a y and uh yeah, it's supposed to supposed.
Speaker 3: To be of some regards what you're saying.
Speaker 5: It's something that you will make when you're doing actual
Speaker 5: and then I have I mean it needs one point
Speaker 5: twenty when jigawatts, I just found it interesting with eleven
Speaker 5: times eleven does get that, you know, very giantus like
Speaker 5: or double poles or twin pines. I guess again, I
Speaker 5: don't know. Yeah, uh again, uh, stainless still body kind
Speaker 5: of uh you know even that look purifying mercury stage
Speaker 5: reflex reality a mirror or a portal I did I mean,
Speaker 5: maybe going too far, but even with the wings opening up,
Speaker 5: it's very like a scar blike or you know, the soul.
Speaker 3: The gold the gold wing style.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's very unique, very neat even I mean
Speaker 4: and to all automobiles, that's not a very common feature, right,
Speaker 4: So what do you think the the nature of that is,
Speaker 4: as far as the cultism goes, I.
Speaker 5: Have like horses ring or rings, the Egyptian like solar,
Speaker 5: the solar discu scowlike kind of resurrection.
Speaker 2: That's even a fallen angel, even fallen angel type, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that would that would coming back. Yeah, that
Speaker 5: would make sense. Yeah, yes, exactly, yeah, totally. Uh, the
Speaker 5: plutonium core against Pluto when you give the descendant to
Speaker 5: the yeah, and then the flex capacitor, the y shaped sigil. Again,
Speaker 5: I think the rising beast, and I've always like I
Speaker 5: said that, I think the beasts without a leash is.
Speaker 4: Pretty much just like electricity on its own, right, right,
Speaker 4: that's very That's an interesting way to look at that.
Speaker 4: I guess it looks like the etymology of DeLorean is
Speaker 4: related to these hills right the hillside it says, think
Speaker 4: of think of what you just.
Speaker 2: Said, Nick, electricity on its own. That's exactly what the.
Speaker 5: Lightning was, yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I didn't need the plutonium. It was on
Speaker 2: its own.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And you see that supposedly that that amount of
Speaker 5: energy does equal electric bolt. I don't know if that's
Speaker 5: true or not. Hmm, yeah, yeah, I didn't even another thing. Uh,
Speaker 5: to ma sonic. The eighth letter is H, you know,
Speaker 5: and you do see that a lie, like with the
Speaker 5: number eighty eight, that would be like h H again
Speaker 5: and that you're not even going to touch so much
Speaker 5: with hal Hitler. But I would even say that would
Speaker 5: be like maybe the the double pillars and like the
Speaker 5: pines again, the twin pines, like just showing like double
Speaker 5: double stuff, and even the twin towers. I even thought
Speaker 5: that that might have somehow fit in there. That's a
Speaker 5: little just happy to be in my face. Yeah, No,
Speaker 5: I think that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Sick because you're doubling the blessings from mercury, from Hoe
Speaker 6: to Hasset. That's exactly what you're doing. You're throwing the
Speaker 6: lightning at the ocean, staying and stubbling and stubbling double
Speaker 6: a double a double eight. Right, But it's really a reflection.
Speaker 6: So are you're gonna transmute the water? Like you were
Speaker 6: saying about alchemy because the film is extremely outchomical, like
Speaker 6: everything in the film, even flux. Flux can be alchemically
Speaker 6: linked to hod or Hoke mo is it is it
Speaker 6: before it's used or after it's used? Because actually you
Speaker 6: can reconstitute flux, So that's another really interesting thing. I
Speaker 6: also nested an image of that of the deity with
Speaker 6: the serpent, which reminds me of that image that Nick makes,
Speaker 6: like the why because it he also makes that, And
Speaker 6: then you can also explain it with like the serpent
Speaker 6: crown behind him, it's like kind of exploding into view
Speaker 6: and his body is blue, so it's kind of stainless,
Speaker 6: kind of adamantine. You could say. It's interesting. I think
Speaker 6: that you can make a case that, like their God
Speaker 6: is really space. However you want to conceptualize that.
Speaker 1: What if it's like the father's son too, Like what
Speaker 1: if it's representing the two that become one because the
Speaker 1: kid goes home.
Speaker 5: That's why I think I have that Marty has the
Speaker 5: yellow and the yellow. It's some points in my opinion,
Speaker 5: if you look at Marty in the street and look
Speaker 5: at a red car, it is an orange kind of
Speaker 5: looking vest that really read the orange and hod and
Speaker 5: then the blue. The blue clothes shows the prince in
Speaker 5: the king. At the same time.
Speaker 1: On sex, sex sex power too with orange right passion, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So why do y'all think they? Aside from these
Speaker 4: are all great details, why do you think they chose
Speaker 4: this car? I mean, they said it was kind of
Speaker 4: because it's futuristic look, and I guess I can buy
Speaker 4: that to a certain extent, but I would.
Speaker 8: Say it's futuristic looking, especially with the doors opening like that.
Speaker 4: But I definitely lookistic. But why couldn't they just, you know,
Speaker 4: church up another car. That the only what I'm getting
Speaker 4: as this is a very unique automobile. And not only
Speaker 4: that was John Dolorian was not like they chose this
Speaker 4: car after a time where he was already he just
Speaker 4: got acquitted of those cocaine trafficking charges, right this is
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, just gets.
Speaker 3: Acquitted, so he, you know, right when the movies just
Speaker 3: about long.
Speaker 4: So that means they wrote the film while he's on
Speaker 4: trial for cocaine trafficking charges.
Speaker 2: And to cart me question enough just very.
Speaker 8: JJ you cut out.
Speaker 4: Oh shoot, yes, So I was saying, it's very bizarre circumstances.
Speaker 4: John Delorian's on trial while they're writing this film and
Speaker 4: getting ready to start filming it. It's on trial for
Speaker 4: cocaine trafficking charges that he's on trumped up charges by
Speaker 4: the FBI and the DEA. So they set him up
Speaker 4: for these things on a sting operation. He gets acquitted,
Speaker 4: but he gets acquitted just shortly before they start filming.
Speaker 4: But meaning they used a vehicle of a dude who's
Speaker 4: on trial for cocaine trafficking charges in a vehicle. He
Speaker 4: only made nine thousand of them, which I had already
Speaker 4: seesed production, so just it seemed like an odd vehicle
Speaker 4: choice to me.
Speaker 8: Well, so you know what the last name Delarean means.
Speaker 2: Hill Thought apparently, which is wild man from the Hills.
Speaker 8: Yeah, from the Hills Hill Valley. That's that's why I
Speaker 8: put that in my notes.
Speaker 5: But I mean, oh, I just.
Speaker 3: Tell that in the chatam I'm again, But no, that's
Speaker 3: great stuff, Julia.
Speaker 5: JJ, real quick before you move on. Uh, I thought
Speaker 5: of the mirroring with the the Larean forgot like the
Speaker 5: first thing of my notes, which really made me start
Speaker 5: to think. Besides Martin McFly with the MM obviously for
Speaker 5: the MEA since uh, he wakes up at seven fifty
Speaker 5: three and back, I started thinking mirroring, and I really
Speaker 5: wish I would have done this with more stuff. I
Speaker 5: didn't really get a chance to run everything backwards. But
Speaker 5: three fifty seven is a Masonic Rich write in a
Speaker 5: ritual that William Preston and Thomas Smith Webb do use
Speaker 5: in like their areas, and that kind of starts getting
Speaker 5: into the Scottish rite type stuff.
Speaker 1: And to Julia's point, or who made the point about
Speaker 1: the hill Julia? And where do they build the altars
Speaker 1: to their fallen angels at the high point?
Speaker 8: I mean, I think they chose it for a reason.
Speaker 8: I mean, the doors do look futuristic, Don't get me wrong, That's.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Like that is an easy cop out there, right,
Speaker 3: there's more to it, much like the film. There's more
Speaker 3: of an.
Speaker 2: Esoteric or I think so, well, the pr natural.
Speaker 4: End, the dudes on the dudes on trial for cocaine?
Speaker 4: What if what if he gets found guilty? They're going
Speaker 4: to have his car in a big budget film?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but what if was he found guilty?
Speaker 3: No, but that's what I'm saying. They wrote the film
Speaker 3: while he was on trial. Okay, but well they started
Speaker 3: filming at weeks like two maybe we'll call it ten
Speaker 3: weeks after the trial ended.
Speaker 8: Okay, Well, what if they knew he wasn't going to
Speaker 8: get convicted of anything? I know that what if he
Speaker 8: was running. What if he was running, because they let
Speaker 8: him off just they did with like literally a bunch
Speaker 8: of yies.
Speaker 4: Yes, but I mean whatever they were really I don't
Speaker 4: know who he pissed off, but the Feds literally set
Speaker 4: him up. They brought him the deal and then they
Speaker 4: video taped him doing the deal, and that's why he
Speaker 4: got off. But then a couple of years later they
Speaker 4: busted in for tax evasion, so they were really after
Speaker 4: old uh jd here John.
Speaker 8: Maybe maybe he pissed them off in some kind of way,
Speaker 8: because like, if you were trying to buy a Dolorean
Speaker 8: now you can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Strangely enough, Julia, there's a he made a very fine
Speaker 4: automobile apparently, because out of the nine thousand or so
Speaker 4: it was produced, about sixty percent are still still on
Speaker 4: the road.
Speaker 8: Well, what I'm saying though, is unless you're a millionaire,
Speaker 8: you're not probably going to be able to afford this
Speaker 8: to ride around it.
Speaker 3: No, I know, I does a great point. I wasn't
Speaker 3: saying you wrong.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great point because there's only nine thousand
Speaker 4: that were ever produced, and you know, only about six
Speaker 4: thousand I believe exists today.
Speaker 3: But yeah, You're right. You're paying money because of the
Speaker 3: lack of a you know man, right.
Speaker 8: Well, you're paying money because everybody loves back to the future,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants a delaory and they want to pamput out
Speaker 3: my rid.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they want to put the led light strips on it.
Speaker 6: Yet, what if the Delorian guy was a member of
Speaker 6: their lodge. I'm just thinking totally hypothetically, okay, and so
Speaker 6: or he was like a member of their faction. You
Speaker 6: could say, like, I know, JJ likes that word.
Speaker 4: So you're reading my mind there, Jen, I'll be using
Speaker 4: your wizard skills over here, buddy, you're reading my mind now.
Speaker 5: So well, thank you.
Speaker 6: So, yeah, he's a member of their fashion. It doesn't
Speaker 6: matter if he gets convicted or not convicted, because they're
Speaker 6: going to like give their little wink in their nod
Speaker 6: to him. It's also interesting that like Delareian Motor Company.
Speaker 1: D M C.
Speaker 6: De Lette mem cough. I don't know. There's something kind
Speaker 6: of interesting about that because if you write it out
Speaker 6: in Hebrew, it looks like seven O seven. I'm just saying,
Speaker 6: sure is an additional way to do the tamata. I'm
Speaker 6: not saying that's the proper way and just just like
Speaker 6: you know, just riffing.
Speaker 4: That's good stuff. And to this comment here, that's a
Speaker 4: great comment. The car turned out to suck, but it's
Speaker 4: the collectors. I know it barely mechanically, it did not
Speaker 4: function well. But what I was getting at was the
Speaker 4: durability and long lasting nature of the body style and everything.
Speaker 4: The way they did it kind of reminds me. I
Speaker 4: think Elon Musk copied it for a cyber truck, right.
Speaker 4: It is like that same kind of steel or whatever,
Speaker 4: or that same kind of production of the body style.
Speaker 6: They think they're plus ultra.
Speaker 3: Dude, you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Factions and cults, right, Yeah, talking about factions and cults
Speaker 4: right there, you go, right, I mean that sounds like
Speaker 4: a nice connection right there with just having the same
Speaker 4: aesthetic to these automobiles they're designing.
Speaker 1: Yep, they think they're the gay GAO tu right, like
Speaker 1: we talked about last night.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: So just a quick rundown on old Dolaian Here he
Speaker 4: gets charged October nineteenth of nineteen eighty two fifty nine
Speaker 4: pounds of coke.
Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's a lot. He wanted to sell
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty of them though, so he was
Speaker 3: even into more of that, so again the FEDS brought
Speaker 3: it to him, and the FED busted him. He was
Speaker 3: pissing off Detroit by making this vehicles, I think is
Speaker 3: what really boiled down to him in one aspect at least.
Speaker 3: You know, he he was a former Detroit Guy's like
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make my own car and the like the
Speaker 3: hell you are, buddy. So he gets to quitted on
Speaker 3: that on let's see here some September twenty first, nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty five. So this movie comes out, comes out. I
Speaker 3: guess really what started filming. I guess in December I believe,
Speaker 3: so about three months later. So you know, I think
Speaker 3: that's very interesting. And again I'm sorry that we'd know.
Speaker 3: That's when he got charged with the fraud stuff.
Speaker 4: He gets a quitted in August sixteenth, that's right, because
Speaker 4: the movie came out July third, twenty or nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 4: that makes sense. So he gets a quitted on August sixteenth,
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty four, and then he's charged again in September
Speaker 4: of eighty five. So they were after Delaurien, right, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, whatever this dude did you know,
Speaker 4: there were some some wall for or if you will,
Speaker 4: being executed against him.
Speaker 8: But what I find he was acquitted of all charges.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they had it on videotape and there was
Speaker 4: so much evidence that he was he was all it
Speaker 4: was all in trapman, and he had some good attorneys.
Speaker 4: But then and then, but did he win because then
Speaker 4: they came after him, right, and then they're like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we got you for fraud like months after, you know,
Speaker 4: a year or so after he gets acquitted, right, So
Speaker 4: you know he.
Speaker 8: Said he was he was acquitted even after this September
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 4: No, that's a great point, That's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 4: So do you really win because he's spending all this
Speaker 4: money on attorneys to by two thousand, he's got he's
Speaker 4: financially bankrupt and he's.
Speaker 3: Got to sell it mansion.
Speaker 8: It's all in who you know, right, right, right?
Speaker 4: But what I'm getting is, there after someone's after bankrupting Glorian,
Speaker 4: he sells his mansion in two thousands as a result
Speaker 4: of this bankruptcy.
Speaker 3: Right, we're gonna get into the bif tan. And here's
Speaker 3: when I'm where I'm heading here.
Speaker 6: So the day he got acquitted was magic.
Speaker 3: I just want to say that seven one.
Speaker 6: August sixteenth, nineteen eighty four. Nineteen four is twenty two,
Speaker 6: super much number right.
Speaker 2: How about September twenty first, nineteen eighty.
Speaker 5: Five, Well, Augus is also the eight did you say them?
Speaker 3: Yeah, eighteen sixteen, you got two eights?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How about September twenty first, nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 5: I don't option.
Speaker 3: Any comments.
Speaker 6: Math, Yeah, well ninety three right right away? Yeah, and
Speaker 6: what'd you say nineteen eighty five? Yes, sir, well you
Speaker 6: have I mean you would be like a perfect five, right,
Speaker 6: It would be like the completion of like something that
Speaker 6: you've done, maybe to do some greater thing, because you
Speaker 6: always want to try and go up to seven. That's
Speaker 6: the idea. So you use like maybe a launching pad.
Speaker 6: That'd be a good date for like some the new venture,
Speaker 6: you could say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so that's uh.
Speaker 4: That former estate there you see now is the clubhouse
Speaker 4: of the Trump National Bedminster golf Course and the Prime Residency.
Speaker 4: Trump calls it his summer white House Prime Residency that
Speaker 4: he established there in his first term.
Speaker 3: Between May and September.
Speaker 4: That's where he normally lives during those months, but I'm
Speaker 4: saying that's that's what he called the summer White House there.
Speaker 3: That house right there used to be John Delauriance.
Speaker 2: So after getting.
Speaker 3: Now, I can't make this ship up.
Speaker 4: It's for all those d m UFO sidings in New Jersey.
Speaker 4: I mean to holler there as well. I'm getting a
Speaker 4: little a little too wild there. And this is where
Speaker 4: all those UFO sidings in New Jersey were over Trump's
Speaker 4: over Delaurian's property, which is now Trump's property.
Speaker 8: Are you serious?
Speaker 3: Right right over right over it?
Speaker 8: Not all sidings.
Speaker 4: Well those there's weird drone starting. There was a high
Speaker 4: concentration of them in New Jersey. They were going over Bedminster,
Speaker 4: the former property of Do Lore in the current property
Speaker 4: of Trump.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 2: So it makes numbers.
Speaker 3: What's that gen? It makes sense to what the numbers.
Speaker 6: Something that like Heidi always says like there's some they're
Speaker 6: playing with angels. That's that's exactly what it is, and
Speaker 6: that like or they or they're playing with going away
Speaker 6: like an angel like how the movie describes.
Speaker 2: It's like the same.
Speaker 6: It's like two different ideas like do you believe in
Speaker 6: the other power or do you believe in the self
Speaker 6: power exactly what Heidi said. I'm just us seeing a
Speaker 6: different way to describe it. So it's exactly, do you
Speaker 6: believe in the angels or do you believe in yourself?
Speaker 6: There's two different schools of thinking, two different factions. So
Speaker 6: that that's an interesting idea because it's like the Trump
Speaker 6: connection is really interesting. The just all of this, it's
Speaker 6: just so fascinating, Like the whole film is like very
Speaker 6: much deeper than its outer presentation. And maybe that's also
Speaker 6: like a credit to its success because it it it's
Speaker 6: not like, you know, sometimes the magical works, they work
Speaker 6: and sometimes they don't. That's kind of the idea. Someday
Speaker 6: sometimes they are successful and bear fruit and sometimes they don't.
Speaker 6: But like this film sort of bears endless fruit in
Speaker 6: a way, very double ages. That's right, because it kind
Speaker 6: of like it keeps Michael J. Fox perpetually famous, even
Speaker 6: though he retired like twenty years ago. He's perpetually he'll
Speaker 6: be famous long after he's like an old man because
Speaker 6: of this film.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's definitely not because of Teen Wolf. I'm telling
Speaker 8: you that right now. I I'm just saying to the
Speaker 8: back to the Future is is like what saled him
Speaker 8: off into infamy.
Speaker 3: Oh it does.
Speaker 4: It doesn't compare between the city and doesn't compare. It's
Speaker 4: still a fine film.
Speaker 1: You do find the FBI informant on the Dolorean case thing.
Speaker 1: His last name was Hoffman, which made me giggle.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that's yeah, I've dug into that dude's past.
Speaker 4: He was doing some I ran conscience spelling for the
Speaker 4: FEDS and the DA back in the mid seventies.
Speaker 3: That's how he became an informant.
Speaker 4: So I got a lot to unpack with that because
Speaker 4: I got some cocaine Bob connections involved in that mixt
Speaker 4: month Oh.
Speaker 3: Boy, topic for a different day, Yeah, for sure, for
Speaker 3: a different day.
Speaker 6: The well, cocaine, like you olays say, JJ, cocaine seems
Speaker 6: to drive a lot of these kinds of protects, and
Speaker 6: coin is a very mercurial substance, like if you were
Speaker 6: to mop it out in Kabala, would be a very
Speaker 6: hard substance because it requires fire from government.
Speaker 3: No don't you ain't kidding. I mean that's for sure.
Speaker 4: So uh, we can transition here on the fifteen and
Speaker 4: who is based on Donald Trump as the man who
Speaker 4: was owning the owner now of the old Dolorian estate,
Speaker 4: the five hundred and thirty five acre estate formerly as
Speaker 4: as the delarey In Estate. Again, it's a fantastic place.
Speaker 4: The Summer White House where Trump uh trump uh. In fact,
Speaker 4: moments after he left Pennsylvania there in July was at
Speaker 4: fourteenth twenty twenty four, when he got the assassination attempted
Speaker 4: Butler Pa.
Speaker 3: He went directly to his Badminster property, the same.
Speaker 2: He likes. He likes that place. Maybe the fallen angels
Speaker 2: held his ear there, you go.
Speaker 4: Maybe the drone UFO aliens got him, maybe they helped
Speaker 4: him out them in JFK Junior.
Speaker 5: You know, there was somebody who showed that those things
Speaker 5: like flew out like right near like a Boeing plan.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, for sure, there's some weird stuff. I mean, it
Speaker 4: was all hot news and then now it's not, and
Speaker 4: no one really explained it. It was shining, it was Iran,
Speaker 4: it was nothing, it was ours. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: I think that's all part of a distraction from whatever
Speaker 4: what it really was right in which we don't really
Speaker 4: know and did it didn't not? Again, it was over
Speaker 4: over different parts of New Jersey, but there was a
Speaker 4: pocket where the concentration was for weeks. Donald Trump did
Speaker 4: a press conference about it during the election and during
Speaker 4: his campaign, like, you know, someone really needs to check
Speaker 4: this out. I've had these drones over my property for
Speaker 4: two weeks. This seems to be a national security issue
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 2: He says, so.
Speaker 3: Very very wild stuff.
Speaker 4: If you asked me so, Bif Tanner, based on Donald
Speaker 4: Trump there, what what are your thoughts on him as
Speaker 4: a character.
Speaker 8: Well, he's just a dick.
Speaker 2: He's just that's true. That's true.
Speaker 8: And he's not and he's like the proverbi. He's like
Speaker 8: not even a smart dick. He's just a retarded dick.
Speaker 8: And he's a tree and get.
Speaker 3: Out of here, right, And he's kind of that's right,
Speaker 3: and he's kind of like he's like quantum entangled with
Speaker 3: Marty Wick flies.
Speaker 6: Uh you know, a family tree, right. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 6: like what he said. They have to play each other.
Speaker 6: It's like opposing role.
Speaker 4: Because every time he goes back or forward in time,
Speaker 4: he's got a new biff and he's got a new
Speaker 4: biff to handle.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm.
Speaker 8: Kind of reminds me of the Butterfly Effect. That's another
Speaker 8: movie I really love, and uh would you say, Nick,
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, dude, that that's that could be another
Speaker 8: episode in itself. But it's like every time Marty goes
Speaker 8: back or forward, he gets a new Biff, and it's
Speaker 8: like he's still just as awful as ever, but just
Speaker 8: in different ways. He Butterfly affects him throughout. It's like
Speaker 8: he's still a dick, it's just different variations of what
Speaker 8: kind of dicky is like.
Speaker 4: Through just too McFly. It's to his parents, right, He's
Speaker 4: got a whole thing with the Antagon, this thing with
Speaker 4: George McFly. So he's like he's just the dude. He's
Speaker 4: always there, you know, beefing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.
Speaker 8: I will say though, in the second movie, the old
Speaker 8: Man Biff is a lot more intelligent than this one
Speaker 8: that we got pulled up because he's like he wants
Speaker 8: to rig the sports and stuff like that, so he
Speaker 8: becomes the billionaire.
Speaker 4: Of course, there's the Masonic nature of Hira a Biff, right,
Speaker 4: Like he was saying before, mm hmmm, Well.
Speaker 8: Isn't there something about like Trump's family being connected with
Speaker 8: Tesla and they were working on some kind of time
Speaker 8: travel thing.
Speaker 1: Like I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's to go with so Tesla.
Speaker 1: Uncle John was his understudy, and then you get to
Speaker 1: Van olver Bush and this goes into a hole like
Speaker 1: I'll be short because I've talked way too much tonight.
Speaker 1: But yes, he supposedly possibly got Tesla's papers. However, there's
Speaker 1: an argument whether he ever wrote a paper because he
Speaker 1: memorized everything.
Speaker 2: So it's a little shady there, But that's basically you know,
Speaker 2: they talked mar al Largo and they were looking for something.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I don't know.
Speaker 8: I had only heard about it, like on a very
Speaker 8: surface level, that there was something about Trump and Tesla.
Speaker 8: And then if that's true and this character is based
Speaker 8: off of like his archetype, the Trump archetype, it makes
Speaker 8: it would make a lot of sense, especially like in
Speaker 8: the second movie with like the Biff Tower or whatever
Speaker 8: and the sure the weirdness with that.
Speaker 3: No, it's and it's definitely true.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was, Uh, it was not unclassified for four years,
Speaker 4: but it was a John G. Trump was the top
Speaker 4: physicist in m my tea. He was the longest serving professor,
Speaker 4: you know, and him you will see plenty of interviews
Speaker 4: where Trump talks about his relationship with his uncle.
Speaker 2: Oh, he flexes on that hardcore.
Speaker 1: He's like my uncle John whenever he wants to push
Speaker 1: something and f with everybody.
Speaker 2: He's like my uncle John and his papers.
Speaker 3: He knows the buttons to push, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 8: I hate to say it, but I give him an
Speaker 8: A plus A plus for disgrace nuclear physicist. He's the
Speaker 8: best you've ever seen.
Speaker 3: And do we know that's that's a good does a
Speaker 3: good trouve opression. But I just want to I just
Speaker 3: wanted to ask if you all any more commentary here
Speaker 3: on Biff before we get too long in the matters.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I do fuck Biff his character and get out
Speaker 8: of here. Yeah, I want I want Biff to make
Speaker 8: like a tree and get out of here.
Speaker 5: Believe well.
Speaker 1: I did think it was funny that they covered him
Speaker 1: in ship, and I do think that the whole darkness
Speaker 1: I could have gone into a whole thing.
Speaker 2: But I talked a lot tonight, so.
Speaker 6: That's good. The ship thing isn't is honest legit interesting
Speaker 6: from a metaphysical perspective because it's kind of it was
Speaker 6: like public humiliation almost. I'm not saying humiliation ritual Nick
Speaker 6: was saying. I'm saying it was like a public humiliation,
Speaker 6: Like it was like he's tard and feathered. He is
Speaker 6: the chicken he has to start again. And Biff is
Speaker 6: never like there's nothing redeemable about him in any of
Speaker 6: the films, in any moment. Like he's not funny, he's
Speaker 6: not charming, he's not like the Trump that we see right.
Speaker 8: Like that he's a rapist.
Speaker 6: Yeah well, yeah, he's an attempted.
Speaker 1: Like assaulter, and he's gigantic like back at like possible
Speaker 1: fallowing angel stuff.
Speaker 6: But like yeah, plus ultra right, like plus Ultra may
Speaker 6: believe that Tesla was like the one magician to follow.
Speaker 6: He was like there, I'm sorry, Heidi, I forget you're
Speaker 6: telling me Jim Yeah, yeah, like, and they're going in
Speaker 6: different directions, different factions, they follow different leaders. One follows Crowley,
Speaker 6: one follows you know, there's the way I don't know well.
Speaker 1: And he has always the people behind him backing him,
Speaker 1: like you know, Trump has had the mob and Cone
Speaker 1: and you know, lots of people that helped him get
Speaker 1: where he is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he came up from the depths of shit, is.
Speaker 1: What you know.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm glad you point out the rape. The rape
Speaker 4: Part two with this character. He's kind of rapil Biff,
Speaker 4: and there is an element to it, right with this
Speaker 4: with his character, but there's an underlying kind of rape
Speaker 4: element to the whole film if you asked me. And
Speaker 4: that was one of the apparent contentions as we mentioned earlier,
Speaker 4: with Crispin Glover not returning to the film there in
Speaker 4: number two and suing them when they use his likeness,
Speaker 4: and he's got a big beef about all those things.
Speaker 4: But that really does kind of there is kind of
Speaker 4: that esoteric understanding to this whole situation based if his
Speaker 4: statements are true, which I'll do a quick recap on that.
Speaker 4: Here we're done with the character of Biff, so on
Speaker 4: crazy days and nights, which you know, take it from
Speaker 4: what you will. This guy's got a lot of had
Speaker 4: a long record of being right on a lot of
Speaker 4: things before it's public this entertainment lawyer fellow, but back
Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen August seventeenth, twenty eighteen, he's discussing the
Speaker 4: why the Crispin Glover and the actress who played Jennifer
Speaker 4: there did not return to the film.
Speaker 3: This actor, who has never probably.
Speaker 4: Eclipsed b plus lists was portrayed as a troublemaker for
Speaker 4: spreading the truth. He was effectively blacklisted by any and
Speaker 4: all people who were friends with the producers. Again, Lucas
Speaker 4: Spielberg semechis, I mean that's most of Hollywood, and the
Speaker 4: entertainment lawyer says, that's seventy five percent.
Speaker 3: That sounds about right.
Speaker 4: There was a group through though, that were not friends
Speaker 4: with those producers, that have kept the actor at least
Speaker 4: earning enough to make a living, and that's accurate. He
Speaker 4: played some bit roles in smaller roles in things including
Speaker 4: the antagonist or the villain, and Charlie's Angels being one
Speaker 4: of the bigger ones that he was offered, you know,
Speaker 4: many years after, you know, back to the future. I
Speaker 4: would say he's a pretty good actor, right, I tend to.
Speaker 8: I love him. I think he's so funny.
Speaker 4: Kind of anoyed it now when he started the Smiling
Speaker 4: Face Killer film by Brendy Stonellis who wrote American Psychode.
Speaker 4: But that's a different story altogether, so it says the
Speaker 4: entertainment tayment lawyer goes on to say, I can't even
Speaker 4: watch the film any longer because of what I know
Speaker 4: what was happening on the set. The actor said the
Speaker 4: multiple bedrooms used in scenes in the film, so the
Speaker 4: scenes from the film would often smell of cigars and
Speaker 4: booze because that is often where the producers would take
Speaker 4: the boys after their tour of the set, and they're
Speaker 4: quote their jan Waite for quote unquote tour of the set.
Speaker 4: Our actor also says that every other actor on that
Speaker 4: film set knew what was going on, but they valued
Speaker 4: their careers more than the horrors taking place.
Speaker 3: So that's why apparently those two decided not to leave. Again,
Speaker 3: this was made by you.
Speaker 4: We were mentioning the Steven Spielberg gets ambling entertainment, so
Speaker 4: he was in charge of this operation along with Zemecchus
Speaker 4: and Lucas wasn't nessiately involved, but he's you know, he's
Speaker 4: part of their same.
Speaker 3: Mixed with these guys.
Speaker 4: I don't know where he was necessarily, but I'm just
Speaker 4: saying they socially speaking, they were probably hanging out still
Speaker 4: even while the film was going right. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's a very very odd environment. We see Crispin Glover,
Speaker 4: I got a quick clip to show you kind of
Speaker 4: how he feels about this stuff today.
Speaker 2: I did not do anything illegal, Bob Gail did something legal.
Speaker 6: We didn't do anything that was illegal.
Speaker 8: In the ever twisting corridors of Hollywood history, one of
Speaker 8: tinsel Town's most intriguing tales is the legal drama surrounding
Speaker 8: Crispin Glover and Back to the Future Part two.
Speaker 4: So obviously he's talking about using his likeness where he
Speaker 4: fantasy sued them and was successful in that effort, and
Speaker 4: that was kind of a landmark issue. But with the
Speaker 4: anger in Visrael you see Crispin Glover in an interview
Speaker 4: from recent years. I think it's rooted more in that
Speaker 4: letter you were talking about it earlier, Julia, which is hmmm.
Speaker 4: I will include in the show notes. But I had
Speaker 4: to go back to locate. I had to go back
Speaker 4: to the way back machine.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 8: Yeah. I mean it's it's buried. And he talks about
Speaker 8: Steven Spielberg on.
Speaker 3: He goes, He goes, he goes pretty, he goes pretty
Speaker 3: tough on Spielberg.
Speaker 8: Here, doesn't he Yeah, he does, he does, he does,
Speaker 8: he does.
Speaker 1: If you ever saw the picture of Steven Spielberg with
Speaker 1: the little Poultergeist girl on his lap, you will have
Speaker 1: no questions, right right, And she died like a bell obstruction. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what they said. That's what they said. It makes
Speaker 1: sense if there was traumatic injury there where she couldn't Yeah.
Speaker 8: But they said that she that she had like a
Speaker 8: congested colon and that way that she got backed up,
Speaker 8: and that's what But it's like, come on, now, I agree.
Speaker 2: And I and Steven Spielberg got so many dark tails.
Speaker 4: I was, you know, I was going to say, maybe
Speaker 4: we'll have to discuss that one, you know, collectively here
Speaker 4: in the future, because I think we.
Speaker 6: All have some.
Speaker 4: But it sounds like well, when I think it's verymore, well,
Speaker 4: the hold on when I think of well, and I
Speaker 4: think it's Drew Barrymore.
Speaker 3: This is also my same reaction Scott Drew Barrymore was
Speaker 3: doing coke and drinking at Studio fifty three nine.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I don't know, I Spielberg was there,
Speaker 4: but some of their characters and somebody old Donald.
Speaker 2: Trump, right, yeah, some girls person was there for sure.
Speaker 4: She This is this is the era of when Roe
Speaker 4: boy conees basically running Studio fifty four because the owners
Speaker 4: are so in debt to him for legal services to
Speaker 4: stay out of jail and keep the place open that
Speaker 4: he's kind of running that spot by that point.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 8: The only reason I bring her up is because a
Speaker 8: fire starter in et both Steven Spielberg.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They got up seventy eight back there Studio fifty four
Speaker 4: on some coke and some benzos and some alcohol and whatnot.
Speaker 4: By the time she met Spielberg, he was like, He's like, yep, Jack.
Speaker 2: Thought, mm hmmmmm, sad do you have?
Speaker 6: That was really good? By the way the clip played,
Speaker 6: the clip.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed, it was better without the sound I think
Speaker 2: that was.
Speaker 6: I think Julian narrating it was.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 8: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Let me make one more note on it. We'll go ahead,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 8: Oh, I was gonna say I had I had just
Speaker 8: a funny pop culture reference to Back to the Future.
Speaker 8: You guys might remember, did have you guys watched Knocked Up.
Speaker 8: It's it's got like seth rogen and what's her face
Speaker 8: in it? Where she gets pregnant and whatever. Paul Redd
Speaker 8: is in it and they go to like this dinner whatever,
Speaker 8: and Paul Rudd is like, you know, if Doc Brown
Speaker 8: screeched up in the Dolorean right now, would you go
Speaker 8: back and put a condom on Ben's stick? And they
Speaker 8: act like Catherine Heigel and the other chick don't know
Speaker 8: what Back to the Future is. They were like, you
Speaker 8: don't know who Doc Brown is? And I was, fuck yeah,
Speaker 8: I was like, who the fuck wouldn't know what back
Speaker 8: to the Like, I'm not believing that for a fucking
Speaker 8: second that they didn't know what Back to the Future was.
Speaker 3: But that's a good example of how culturally impactful this
Speaker 3: has been, right m.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I just mentioned that because I
Speaker 8: watched that movie the other day and then you asked
Speaker 8: me to do this and I was like, dude, everybody
Speaker 8: loves Back to the Future.
Speaker 3: Right, So well, I mean, I don't know if Christin
Speaker 3: Glover does, but I do love the film. I know,
Speaker 3: I know what you mean. I know what you mean.
Speaker 4: So on this nature though, of this Christin Glover and
Speaker 4: Spielberg situations and the parent k deuling situations, there's in
Speaker 4: the rapist you know, rape ee qualities of old beif
Speaker 4: Tainn and you know there's a there's a nature of
Speaker 4: again still underlying this film that continues to perpetrate these
Speaker 4: same ideas. If you ask me and I'll play this
Speaker 4: clip to demonstrate that point.
Speaker 11: It's mocause it bear you.
Speaker 2: Know that sounds.
Speaker 10: To me.
Speaker 4: So that cousin obviously being Chuck Berry. The song that
Speaker 4: old Johnny Be Good that Michael J. Fox was playing
Speaker 4: right so in a Forest Gump effect. And another is
Speaker 4: some Becca style there he events the song Johnny Be Good.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Chuck Berry infamous for the Taco bellfarts.
Speaker 4: Uh well, that's that's only later in his life, maam.
Speaker 4: He has a lot of accolades in this nature previous
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 8: If you will, I'll never forget that after you told
Speaker 8: me that I can't even drive past the Taco bell
Speaker 8: without playing Johnny be Good.
Speaker 2: There you go, yep, that's why I bellfarts.
Speaker 4: So Chuck Berry was convicted under the Main Act in
Speaker 4: nineteen fifty nine for transporting a fourteen year old girl
Speaker 4: across state lines for the purposes of prostitutions or sexual exploitation.
Speaker 4: The record company is the one who got him out
Speaker 4: of prison, so, which is kind of funny. So he's
Speaker 4: a convicted sex offender. And then in nineteen seven too
Speaker 4: he records this song tours Nashally on number one hit
Speaker 4: on the billboards. My dangling. That's kind of weird.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 4: So then in nineteen ninety two, he gets rated for
Speaker 4: all sorts of drugs in Saint Louis, which becomes in
Speaker 4: another incident later as Julia he just pointed out. And
Speaker 4: in this incident, the uh, they raid his home there
Speaker 4: in Saint Louis, and he they raid a bunch of
Speaker 4: videotapes the later get leaked to tabloids of him farting
Speaker 4: in Hooker's mouse. Apparently that was his favorite thing to do,
Speaker 4: higher Hooker and then fart.
Speaker 3: In her mouth.
Speaker 4: So he would and then he would so you know,
Speaker 4: he would later be arrested for for payoff a lot
Speaker 4: of women in civil lawsuits. I don't know if they
Speaker 4: think they dropped the criminal charges for installing video cameras
Speaker 4: and the toilets of women's bathrooms, of the Taco Bells
Speaker 4: and Kfcson he owned about, you know, a couple dozen,
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 3: So Chuck Berry kind of was, I mean, he hadn't
Speaker 3: got he'd been you know, he was, Oh, he's just
Speaker 3: like fuck, but you know he was. He was convicted
Speaker 3: of the Manx stuff at that point, and then weird
Speaker 3: that he did the whole dangling thing.
Speaker 4: But that you know, it was after it was after
Speaker 4: the back to the future stuff they got on for
Speaker 4: the part the hooker's mouse, which is not obviously not
Speaker 4: the charge, but it's so ridiculous. And then you know
Speaker 4: then of course the camera stuff I think was more
Speaker 4: like nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine.
Speaker 8: Well, you want a full circle movement?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 8: Do you remember I said nobody gets out of this
Speaker 8: place without farting in my mouth? The adventures in babysitting, so.
Speaker 3: Adventures in leaving the stage unless you play the blues.
Speaker 8: Right, but adventures in babysitting and back to the future
Speaker 8: to Elizabeth Shoe.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, you're right, yep, you are correct man.
Speaker 8: That's a full circle moment.
Speaker 3: That is full that is full circle.
Speaker 4: And if I, if I may close this, if anyone
Speaker 4: else has any other commentary here, we we'll do some
Speaker 4: closing statements.
Speaker 3: But I want to kind of go full circle here
Speaker 3: myself here with going.
Speaker 4: Back to the future on some operations GCD shows relative
Speaker 4: to these topics here, relative to the care for biftaining,
Speaker 4: the you know Jnald Trump, who was you know that
Speaker 4: based on biftaining kind of the predictive programming natures of
Speaker 4: that stuff, and the fact that he's connected to the
Speaker 4: Delirium property.
Speaker 3: I find it all very fascinating.
Speaker 4: So we'll do some closing stuff here after this clip
Speaker 4: if I just want to go back to the future
Speaker 4: here on this one and go full circle as you
Speaker 4: were just saying there, Julia. So that's some interesting aspects.
Speaker 4: You know, Danny does use the casino money and shakes
Speaker 4: out the Republican part in the movie. Did almost get
Speaker 4: right the winning the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: They were off by year, were well, they were off
Speaker 4: by year. They won in twenty sixteen. They were in
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. So well, that's what I'm saying. It's creepy enough, right,
Speaker 4: And that whole incident of the Cubs winning the World Series,
Speaker 4: that incident's real creepy to me. So it was called
Speaker 4: the Curse of the Goat. Was this was this Curse
Speaker 4: of the Goat was like one of the most infamous
Speaker 4: curses and in any major sports, right, haunting the Cubs
Speaker 4: for nearly one hundred years. Well, the folks that are
Speaker 4: credited for breaking the Curse of the Goat is the
Speaker 4: Revisa Sports Hypnosis and sports psychotherapist. Family family business as
Speaker 4: in Buffalo Jerre. Yeah, that man my former stocker. He
Speaker 4: his dad and uncle. He was actually part of the
Speaker 4: family business too, were the folks who broke the Curse
Speaker 4: of the Goat. The Chicago Cubs officially recognized Ken Revisa
Speaker 4: as the person who broke the Curse of the Goat.
Speaker 4: So that aspect of the Back to the Future series,
Speaker 4: it's a little close to home.
Speaker 6: What if the come thing was a year and a day,
Speaker 6: like it was like like an HGA ritual, Like it
Speaker 6: was like intentionally off by a year. It was like
Speaker 6: to it was like to, I don't know that that
Speaker 6: would be a funny little game.
Speaker 4: I enjoy your perspective on these things because it's not
Speaker 4: it's totally unique from what I what I look at things.
Speaker 4: So I like, like we were saying, so, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: I appreciate you all join me here tonight to gold
Speaker 4: GCD and discussed this occult and esoteric review of the
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty five cinematic masterpiece Back to the Future. And
Speaker 4: I appreciate the folks with the interwebs staying with us.
Speaker 4: We got we folks seem to be enjoying the conversation.
Speaker 4: I know, I am so like to go on a
Speaker 4: round table here and uh give everyone you know, any
Speaker 4: closing statements, any plugs you want to do by on
Speaker 4: me to take.
Speaker 3: Your time, not trying to rush anybody, but you know who.
Speaker 4: Well I'll start off with Heidi, since you're down there
Speaker 4: in the bottom right, let's start down there.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for putting up with me tonight,
Speaker 2: you guys, I'm I nerd it out. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 5: Good me too.
Speaker 2: I was Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 8: I love the show.
Speaker 2: I love I love the second one almost as much.
Speaker 3: So it was just at this series right.
Speaker 1: Yes, always always a great time to rejects. And anytime
Speaker 1: I can come on and be on a show with
Speaker 1: JJ is amazing. So thank you, guys, you ma'am, thank you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. Find me anywhere podcasts are served unfiltered rise
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Speaker 2: Love to all of you, thank you for watching.
Speaker 3: Julia.
Speaker 4: Appreciate you joining us, ma'am as always, since I forgot
Speaker 4: about you joining us in Golden Child, I'm glad you
Speaker 4: make it back around too. We'll have to do a
Speaker 4: non occult necessary review and talk to some other parapolitics
Speaker 4: as we often cross over in a lot of our
Speaker 4: ideas and subjects we we enjoy, not not the least
Speaker 4: of which Tuesday Wild.
Speaker 8: Hey, you know what would be a nice follow up
Speaker 8: to Tuesday Weld. We we could really throw down on JFK.
Speaker 8: Junior because that's another one of my faiths that I'm doing.
Speaker 3: Kids once again.
Speaker 4: Once again, Like I said, a lot of cross every
Speaker 4: You may have well just read my mind because Heidi
Speaker 4: and I were on the Sixth sens Since a Sixth
Speaker 4: Sensory podcast last night, and I came to the revelation
Speaker 4: when we were talking Society of Cincinnati that JFK. Junior
Speaker 4: was likely a dual member of the Society of Cincinnati
Speaker 4: won the French chapter and won the Maryland chapter. And
Speaker 4: that's a longer tail, but it's wow.
Speaker 8: No, yeah, I would. I'd love to pick your guys'
Speaker 8: brain on him, because that's that's another topic I could
Speaker 8: just talk about forever. But thanks so much for having
Speaker 8: me on this one. I love Back to the Future.
Speaker 8: I love the third one. You can skip me on
Speaker 8: the esoteric review of the second one because I think
Speaker 8: it sucks sticks but the first one. In the third one,
Speaker 8: I'm down.
Speaker 3: You think it's garbage.
Speaker 2: Jay, Yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 8: And you know, it's funny to think where they thought
Speaker 8: we would be in twenty fifteen and we're still just
Speaker 8: lame weirdos. No flying cars, no hoverboards, no self tying shoes.
Speaker 8: I mean, I don't like the second one, but thanks
Speaker 8: so much for having me. This was really fun, Jennie, Heidi, JJ,
Speaker 8: You're all awesome. I love working with you. I think
Speaker 8: we covered a lot of ground on this one.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 4: Jen greeting, Sir, how about you share some more wizard
Speaker 4: skills with us this evening. I appreciate your your reviewsay, I'm.
Speaker 3: Convinced of it. Man, You've always you're always having some
Speaker 3: wizardry on me, you know.
Speaker 6: I I love to play the hermestissis when I When
Speaker 6: we do wise, it's like Nick already knows. Heidi also knows,
Speaker 6: just because she's like into it like that, but Nick
Speaker 6: he knows because there's that it's him.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 6: It's my favorite thing to play plus Ultron on live.
Speaker 6: So there you go. There's I'm admitting it. No, I
Speaker 6: want to thank you guys obviously, thank you JJ so
Speaker 6: much for inviting me, including me on this year. And
Speaker 6: I know that we get a lot of cool people
Speaker 6: liking my posts about this, so it's like it's it's
Speaker 6: a big it's interesting for me to like see these
Speaker 6: people who I think are like cooler than me and
Speaker 6: they're kind of into it. So that's great. And thank
Speaker 6: you obviously, boss, thank you Nick so much, thank you
Speaker 6: Heidi so much, thank you Julia so much. And I
Speaker 6: just want to say thank you. I want to keep
Speaker 6: it light tonight, but the Carl Wood interview was like
Speaker 6: a really cathartic moment for me. And I just want
Speaker 6: to dedicate this one to my co host for the
Speaker 6: twyement series, Zach Schumer and of course Zach Third Eye
Speaker 6: Homuncula who passed away. So thank you guys so much.
Speaker 6: It meant like a huge, a great deal to me.
Speaker 6: So it's like a really beautiful way to close that chapter.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, that was awesome. Nick.
Speaker 4: As always, I appreciate your time as always, sir, and
Speaker 4: look forward to our Friday conversation. Come up with as
Speaker 4: always with our cars Fridays together. Yes, yeah, also wait
Speaker 4: the car, But what else? What else your thoughts on
Speaker 4: closing statements tonight and anything else you want to plug?
Speaker 5: Oh well, I think well, first off, I'm thankfully after
Speaker 5: posting it was gonna be the most comprehensive covering of
Speaker 5: Back to the Future. That's what exactly happened. So thank
Speaker 5: you everybody. I think that was amazing. It was three
Speaker 5: hours long. There was a lot, a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff in there. That's what's saying. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was. It was called Rejeck style. So and ill
Speaker 5: just one thing I just want to add. I do
Speaker 5: think and I think we've all kind of said it
Speaker 5: as somebody said it earlier. It might have been Julia
Speaker 5: or maybe it was Heidi h I do think if
Speaker 5: you look at everything that we talked about, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: all that stuff is in that movie on purpose. It's
Speaker 5: all been added to the scene. It's all there for
Speaker 5: a reason. I think that the way we all looked
Speaker 5: at it and pretty much came to the same stuff,
Speaker 5: I think you can kind of see that that's the
Speaker 5: choreographed that doesn't happen by Actually, I don't think.
Speaker 8: I mean there it is, JJ you finally found it
Speaker 8: for that yep, to.
Speaker 4: That point you were making it and to Julius Common earlier.
Speaker 4: There you go the opening scene and there's Doc Brown
Speaker 4: hanging from a clock tower in the background of that
Speaker 4: opening scene.
Speaker 8: Everything is on purpose, dude, Every little thing is is
Speaker 8: on purpose.
Speaker 3: Even be bringing this up right now is on purpose.
Speaker 3: I was waiting for this moment.
Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah, man, I love that was on
Speaker 2: the clock it says axis.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's a room too. The kid hanging from anything,
Speaker 6: it's thorn. Actually, I don't really know the rooms. I
Speaker 6: hate the norse stuff.
Speaker 3: You need, Julia. He's even got the same hat on.
Speaker 3: He's got that hat on.
Speaker 8: That's what I'm telling you, dude.
Speaker 2: It's Doc Brown for sure.
Speaker 3: Dude. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: The shadow doesn't match and it's very phallic looking.
Speaker 4: Sorry you're good, no by all means, but I mean
Speaker 4: this is what we're talking about here, right, we're closing
Speaker 4: it out here with exactly This is a great, great
Speaker 4: closing m hmm.
Speaker 9: Looks like the Amazon sign almost right, yeah, dude, Or
Speaker 9: like if you look at it maybe from the side,
Speaker 9: it kind of looks like the whole compass thing I
Speaker 9: don't know.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Well, why is there a pretty aspect to
Speaker 2: a two D object here?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Exactly?
Speaker 8: Well, I think it might be. I think it might
Speaker 8: be three D though I think, like.
Speaker 3: The guy, I thought it was painted on. Okay, no,
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Is this more of that duality?
Speaker 3: Maybe it is.
Speaker 8: I mean I see the shadow. I thought it was
Speaker 8: because it was like as the clockhand moves the little
Speaker 8: values with it.
Speaker 3: You know, you may be right, you may be right.
Speaker 4: I was just viewing his painted on there with that
Speaker 4: kind of shadow of it as well, like the duality
Speaker 4: nature of it's still m.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because the man is he who travels through time.
Speaker 6: It's not it's not someone who's matt right that they're
Speaker 6: out to master traveling, right like they they they they
Speaker 6: solved time travel, They solve that paradox, they solve that
Speaker 6: area between the hill and the valley. That's done.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: The next thing is you did is conquer space. It's
Speaker 6: just a metaphor for the whole film. It's like the
Speaker 6: hermetic journey the hero.
Speaker 3: And again and again, my response don't you.
Speaker 2: Again almost innate.
Speaker 1: It's almost like he's trying to hold it back from
Speaker 1: being an eight once again on here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a lottom it will look like the bottom one
Speaker 5: would be on an eight anyway.
Speaker 3: Right, I was gonna say, I think you have this
Speaker 3: all hands on the eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's not quiet, right, like right, it's.
Speaker 4: Not it's almost it's almost eight am, right, yeah, it's
Speaker 4: seven fifty.
Speaker 1: Four right, So he's holding back time, so there can't
Speaker 1: be a complete, a completeness of infinity.
Speaker 3: Well, I think all those clocks here on that same time, right,
Speaker 3: there's this one, right, is.
Speaker 8: That right, Julie, Yeah, they're all on the same time exactly,
Speaker 8: remember from the phone call exactly twenty five minutes late, right, yeah,
Speaker 8: that's right.
Speaker 4: Okay, nice, nice. Now I don't remember where I was
Speaker 4: going with that before, but I like those points. That's
Speaker 4: good stuff. Oh my response to all this, my response
Speaker 4: to all this, scot There you go. So now I
Speaker 4: I appreciate everyone's time, and uh if I if I
Speaker 4: can offer a couple of quick plugs like I said,
Speaker 4: I got Operation GCD Live Sundays coming up here, eight pm,
Speaker 4: Patreon only with links in the show notes, along with
Speaker 4: links for all of our wonderful guests here in the
Speaker 4: Occult Rejects panel here this evening full blown Occult Rejects panel,
Speaker 4: and uh, I got this Sunday at eight pm Eastern time,
Speaker 4: I got the Curse of Robert the Doll. That's going
Speaker 4: to be a scary one, more so for me than
Speaker 4: anyone else. And then the following Sunday, as I just mentioned,
Speaker 4: the Revisa family and the Curse of the Goat, which
Speaker 4: is a great, great tie in here because I got
Speaker 4: the Legends of Buffalo Jared Revisa. This is my former
Speaker 4: stalker slash almost He wanted me to hire him as
Speaker 4: my pr guy, and then he pretty sure he wanted
Speaker 4: to murder me and wear my skin as a coat
Speaker 4: because he later went out to a multi state killing spree.
Speaker 4: And I think he I suspected some sort of mind
Speaker 4: controlled situation. So that'll be a fun tale again, not
Speaker 4: so much for me, but probably for other people. For
Speaker 4: you just ptsc Yeah, for me, just drudging out some
Speaker 4: nasty memories. But you know, I try to make some
Speaker 4: humor out of it. That's how that's how I get
Speaker 4: by in life.
Speaker 7: He wanted to wear you like an Edgar suit. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he was like he told me to put the lotion
Speaker 7: on the skin, and you know, I was like, wait,
Speaker 7: what's wrang? Yeah, dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 8: Lotiontting you up so you could hibernate together.
Speaker 3: All right? Right?
Speaker 4: Well, strangely enough, the man he murdered, he actually hired
Speaker 4: him to be his pr rep in. So again, this
Speaker 4: is the life and times of that I have to
Speaker 4: deal with here in the circumstances and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But I appreciate all folks at the inner webs.
Speaker 4: Tonight and tune in and chatting and seem to be
Speaker 4: fairly well engaged in and join the things I like
Speaker 4: to see that I always aim to entertain here, and
Speaker 4: I believe many of most of the rest of the
Speaker 4: panel here does, except for Jen. He just intends to
Speaker 4: do wizardry around everywhere. So for that much I also appreciate.
Speaker 3: But I think thanks to all the cult rejects here
Speaker 3: for joining us, and any any final comments from anyone.
Speaker 8: Where we're going. We don't need roads, that's great.
Speaker 3: Scott Bastos