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<v Speaker 1>It's time for coffee and company fueled by Thornton's on

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to five o'clock hour. Started here

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<v Speaker 2>on a Monday afternoon. Derby Week is here, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>certainly exciting. It is coffee and company. I hope you

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<v Speaker 2>knew that. One thing I know that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>be aware of is that we are fueled by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talk seven nine. You certainly appreciate our

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<v Speaker 2>friends over at Thornton's. And I started the show talking

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<v Speaker 2>just about, you know, Derby Week being here and the excitement.

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<v Speaker 2>And I haven't done much of looking into the field

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<v Speaker 2>just yet, but after doing just a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>that during the show during the commercial breaks, I now

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<v Speaker 2>know which horse I'm all in on, and this is

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<v Speaker 2>I think this was released earlier today, maybe so I

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<v Speaker 2>imagine maybe it's changed, but actually I'll pull up and

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<v Speaker 2>get updated odds here before you know, before too long.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like horses that you know, have a good story.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not the horses themselves, but you know, the owners,

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<v Speaker 2>the trainers, that kind of stuff. That's what really hooks me.

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<v Speaker 2>And because I've never and probably will never be someone

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<v Speaker 2>that is considered to be even average at picking winners

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<v Speaker 2>and that kind of stuff. When in horse racing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it's all luck, and that's okay. Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of gambling is luck, and I

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<v Speaker 2>choose to be it that way because it keeps me

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<v Speaker 2>from ever having the mindset of, like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>this is pretty pretty easy. I mean, maybe I don't

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<v Speaker 2>need a job with a salary and you know benefits,

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<v Speaker 2>like I can just I can just gamble. Have ever explained,

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<v Speaker 2>Austin why I have that mindset of, like, just remind

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<v Speaker 2>yourself that it's all luck, and then you'll just realize,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, expect, expect the worst, hope, you know, hope

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<v Speaker 2>for the best. So if you win, it's great. Because

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<v Speaker 2>when I went to the boat the first time, Caesar's.

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<v Speaker 2>I still call it the boat, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people do you still do too? Right? Yeah, I say,

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<v Speaker 2>brothers in arms, you and I in the boat.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll sometimes slip up and say Caesar's, but we all

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<v Speaker 3>know it's a boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the boat. OG's no, But I went when

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<v Speaker 2>my wife turned twenty one, her her father took us

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<v Speaker 2>in some family and We celebrated her birthday there, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was the first time that I'd ever been to

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<v Speaker 2>like a casino where you can gamble oh okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>I played blackjack. And by the way, my wife's just

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit younger than me. In fact, I was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one when she turned twenty one, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>turned twenty one like four months prior. So we were

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<v Speaker 2>there and I brought like forty bucks when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to blackjack, actually a bout forty bucks. Not knowing what

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to do, and of all the games

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that were available to play, blackjack intimidated

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<v Speaker 2>me the least. So I decided to play the easy game,

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<v Speaker 2>and within like twenty minutes, I went from forty bucks

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<v Speaker 2>to like two hundred and six. Oh, let's go. So

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<v Speaker 2>I just walked away and I was like nope, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm up, like this is this is awesome. And

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<v Speaker 2>then like we're leaving the casino and I'm thinking like

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<v Speaker 2>that was the easiest money ever made, thinking like that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I made money, I earned money. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess technically I did, but like there was no

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<v Speaker 2>awareness of, you know, for me, that that was luck.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I mean, I'm good. I'm good at this game.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to start doing this to help, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>support my family that I didn't have at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just like, this is this is too easy

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<v Speaker 2>for me to not make money. I got to keep

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<v Speaker 2>doing it. So a couple of weeks go by, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had a buddy who he was really getting into

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<v Speaker 2>going and gambling, playing poker, that kind of stuff. He's

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<v Speaker 2>much more into it than I was. And I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go play some blackjack. So this time

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<v Speaker 2>I took like eighty bucks. It was gone in five minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>all of it. So then I was like, never doing

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<v Speaker 2>that again. And that it's kept me able to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of understand that like gambling is for entertainment. It is fun,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like losing, oh yeah, but the ride until

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<v Speaker 2>you either win or lose is still something that is

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's entertainment. So that's why, you know, when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to betting on sports, I think it's all luck too.

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<v Speaker 2>But at least whenever I've got you know, a sport,

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<v Speaker 2>college basketball, college football, the NFL, at least I know

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<v Speaker 2>enough about those things to where I can at least

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<v Speaker 2>convince myself that if I do win. It wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>luck man. You know your stuff, Nick, you really took

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<v Speaker 2>it to the books this weekend. It's not reality, but

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<v Speaker 2>at least it makes it more fun. So slot machine

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<v Speaker 2>to me is just luck. So I don't really enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not knocking anybody. I know people enjoy it, but

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<v Speaker 2>to me, it's just, you know, I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 2>just wasting money. So that's the way I've you horse racing,

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<v Speaker 2>like I just you know, it's fun to pick something

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<v Speaker 2>and see if it happens, and if it does win,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's great. But I have not had many

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<v Speaker 2>winners in my lifetime. So again that when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to picking who I want to bet on, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just about oh well, I like the name. Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>will pick it based off that. If I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of time, if we're talking about being

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<v Speaker 2>at Churchill all day and you know, I'm just looking

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<v Speaker 2>at the program. But this story like this to me

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<v Speaker 2>is a sign for me. So I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked about it a whole lot recently, but over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, if you listen even a little bit, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a documentary nerd, I love documentary series. I love

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<v Speaker 2>documentary movies. There's probably not many you could recommend that

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen, like it is what I enjoy watching binging,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I'm going to the gym, that's where I

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<v Speaker 2>watch most of my stuff that I stream. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna go get a few miles in on the treadmill,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll find a documentary and I'll just get lost in

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<v Speaker 2>that and that'll keep me from, like, you know, thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about that I'm running and I'm about to die. And

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best documentaries that I've seen is one

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't really think a lot of people even

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<v Speaker 2>know about it, and it's one that when I do share,

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<v Speaker 2>hey you should check this out, Like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have never heard of it. So I really go

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<v Speaker 2>above and beyond, like, hey, I'm telling you you have

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<v Speaker 2>to find this. It's and it's rotated from being on

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<v Speaker 2>different streaming services. I think I watched on Netflix, no joke,

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<v Speaker 2>like twelve years ago, like it was it was. It

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<v Speaker 2>was released in two thousand and twelve. So here here's

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<v Speaker 2>the story. And it almost seems unreal because this day

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<v Speaker 2>and age this would not be possible at all, but

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<v Speaker 2>it is possible. So my horse that I'm going with

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<v Speaker 2>is a Bafford horse, and it's one that you've probably

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<v Speaker 2>heard about. Rodriguez. Yes, so sire is authentic and again

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<v Speaker 2>it's Bafford. It's also the owners are SF Racing, Starlight Racing,

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<v Speaker 2>Matdict Stables, and you know, you can check out that

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<v Speaker 2>information if you'd like. I'm just trying to give you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of info that you know may mean

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<v Speaker 2>something to you, but for me, I don't really know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot about that. But hey, Bob Bafford, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a known name and he's had a lot of success.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's not what has hooked me. It's the name

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<v Speaker 2>as to how this horse became Rodriguez. That's what's got

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<v Speaker 2>me because it's actually named after the person the documentary featured.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me read here directly. This is from the

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<v Speaker 2>Courier Journal, says Bafford is set to return to the

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky Derby for the first time since twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>He was suspended three years following this qualification of Medina

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit from the twenty twenty one Kentucky Derby. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>Rodriguez's victories have come in wire to wire fashion, and

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<v Speaker 2>he figures to be at or near the front early

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<v Speaker 2>in the hockey Derby the Horses named for six Stough Rodriguez,

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<v Speaker 2>an American musician who gained fame in South Africa, Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>and New Zealand. So let me give you the gist

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<v Speaker 2>of this documentary. It's called Searching for Sugarman. So six

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<v Speaker 2>Stough Rodriguez he had a song I think called Sugarman,

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<v Speaker 2>and he had very little success in music in Detroit

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<v Speaker 2>long long ago, like in the late sixties, early seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>might have been more so the seventies, but listen to

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<v Speaker 2>this story, Austin, it's crazy. So he ended up kind

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<v Speaker 2>of flaming out, had a record deal and he had

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<v Speaker 2>a song I think it was called Sugarman, and it

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<v Speaker 2>ended up you know, I mean it was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, maybe a one hit wonder, but really not

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<v Speaker 2>even that because it wasn't that big of a hit. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow his music ended up getting really really popular in

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<v Speaker 2>South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So he was a

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<v Speaker 2>legend and they just called him Sugarman because of the song.

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<v Speaker 2>They played it on the radio. It was a humongous hit,

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<v Speaker 2>but he never knew the internet didn't exist. He kind

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<v Speaker 2>of once he didn't have initial success as a musician,

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<v Speaker 2>he just faded into obscurity. He spent some time homeless.

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<v Speaker 2>He just was roaming the streets in Detroit and had

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<v Speaker 2>some odd jobs. And the tales just became wild about

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<v Speaker 2>whatever happened to him, Like most just assumed he was dead.

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<v Speaker 2>There started to be different stories about some elaborate, crazy

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<v Speaker 2>way he died because he's some legendary figure, when in reality,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just he's just living kind of as a you know,

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<v Speaker 2>kind he's kind of panhandling in Detroit, just trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make ends meet. He work construction, had a daughter but

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really active in her life growing up. And all

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<v Speaker 2>the while you've got Australia, New Zealand and South Africa

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<v Speaker 2>like he's a legend when it comes to music. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody realized this guy may actually be alive, and they

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<v Speaker 2>found him and he was just living in some abandoned

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<v Speaker 2>building in Detroit, if my memory is correct, and they

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<v Speaker 2>ended up like showing him like you're a legend, like

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<v Speaker 2>you like you had the most played song on the

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<v Speaker 2>radio this specific year in New Zealand. And here he

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<v Speaker 2>is probably feeling like not a super successful person, probably

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<v Speaker 2>maybe having thoughts of being a failure try to be

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<v Speaker 2>a musician that didn't work out, and now he's just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of he's tried to make ends meet for the

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<v Speaker 2>last I don't know thirty years of his life. And

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<v Speaker 2>then he realizes, holy crap, like they don't know me,

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<v Speaker 2>but they know my music and they love me. So

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<v Speaker 2>the people who put the documentary together they bring him

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<v Speaker 2>to I think it might have been South Africa, and

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<v Speaker 2>he ends up like he becomes a story there. He

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<v Speaker 2>has a show in front of like thousands upon thousands

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<v Speaker 2>of people, like an arena, and I just think that's

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<v Speaker 2>insane that this guy became I mean, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>begs the question like can you consider that successful because

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<v Speaker 2>you know he he didn't, he didn't even know it.

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<v Speaker 2>And another factor that I should have mentioned that that

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of led to him, like he's when he

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<v Speaker 2>released the the his first and only album and the

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<v Speaker 2>song that became really popular in those countries, he had

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<v Speaker 2>signed to a record label that that was a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of crooks, so like they owned all the rights to

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<v Speaker 2>his music, so he couldn't do anything with it. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 2>when when when they're when they're trying to figure out,

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<v Speaker 2>and New Zealand because of the record label being shut down,

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<v Speaker 2>know is okay, what record label released this album? And

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<v Speaker 2>it would come back to a record label that was

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<v Speaker 2>no trace of him anything documentation wise, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>like had he had. There was nothing about there was

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<v Speaker 2>day and age just because of the Internet, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it would be impossible. No, But he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>later that you didn't fail. You in fact became like

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<v Speaker 2>and years ago, not long after like he released his music,

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<v Speaker 2>And then they did something in the documentary. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen it in a long time, but they did track

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what the horse is named his name. The

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<v Speaker 2>horses named Rodrigo Rodriguez because of six Though Rodriguez. Who

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<v Speaker 2>is this musician who the documentary it's called Searching for Sugarman,

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<v Speaker 2>because again, without really any way to figure out who

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<v Speaker 2>it is they're listening to, they may have known that

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<v Speaker 2>his name was six Till Rodriguez, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they did actually, because if you listen to people who like,

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<v Speaker 2>music and when his song became a big deal, they

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<v Speaker 2>just called him Sugarman. And that's and again it's been

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<v Speaker 2>why the documentary is titled searching for Sugarman because they

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm getting I don't want to make it too confusing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think at one point they they thought that

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<v Speaker 2>for like ten years, no, that wasn't him, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>different guy. I mean, that's crazy. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if this horse is gonna win, and if it does,

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<v Speaker 2>it won't be because I had any ability to like,

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of like him now.

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<v Speaker 2>But isn't that a good story?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I love me a good name story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so there you go. That's my horse. I'm rolling

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<v Speaker 2>with Rodriguez, do you have I mean, again you mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>I like sam Man, but I also feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like metallicas send a bunch of gear to the to

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<v Speaker 2>the stable. Yes, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>It's they're they're huge, you're big into it. I also

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<v Speaker 3>love Metallica too, so who doesn't. That's America kid, It's

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<v Speaker 3>great stuff. And the other one is a long shot,

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<v Speaker 3>but American Promise because it's Dad is Justify, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest horses ever. So I love that one. Uh

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<v Speaker 3>my dad who I also go to a lot. He

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<v Speaker 3>seems to like h he seems to like Owen Almighty.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he just likes that name. I haven't got

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<v Speaker 3>too much about it, but that Owen Almighty is pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>And just also the group chat or when I talked

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<v Speaker 3>to the in laws last week after the Derby betting preview,

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<v Speaker 3>this is what they said. This comes from their mouth

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<v Speaker 3>when I started trying to gauge them on what they

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<v Speaker 3>thought like, who they thought like the favorites would be,

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<v Speaker 3>and of course Journalism was up there, and this came

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<v Speaker 3>from their mouth. If Journalism doesn't win, it's a fluke race.

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<v Speaker 3>If he doesn't win, it will be because something crazy happened.

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<v Speaker 3>But which is which is crazy to hear, but at

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<v Speaker 3>the same time like that, it's the Derby's a perfect

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And we went from nothing goes perfectly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we went from having many, many years consecutively

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<v Speaker 2>of like, well, the favorites are going to keep winning it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it's gonna make it less interesting. And then

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<v Speaker 2>we've had some real long shots or just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not the favorite, maybe not super long shots. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I thought, anytime you feel like, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this thing is because for so long we just

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<v Speaker 2>assumed and I'm not alone here, and what do I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not somebody that you know, keeps up with horse

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<v Speaker 2>racing even a little bit. But for decades, there was

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<v Speaker 2>the belief that, yeah, it's just not possible anymore to

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<v Speaker 2>ever envision somebody winning the Triple Crown, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just not realistic this day and age,

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<v Speaker 2>because it hadn't happened in so long. And then we

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<v Speaker 2>and like those are those are things that I think

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<v Speaker 2>are good for everything about horse racing and the Derby

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, maybe we go another I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>however many I don't know what the draft was as

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<v Speaker 2>far as how many years, but like, who knows, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we have another one and then we'll be surprised to

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<v Speaker 2>see that there are you know, back to back winners

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So real quick, before we get

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<v Speaker 2>to our next break, and I promise you we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>a slide for Shit or Sanders. But when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>but if he comes with this much baggage and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>then you know we'll pass. All right, quick break, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back, keep it rolling along. What it costs to

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<v Speaker 2>get a mint julip or Oaks lily, I mean, even

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<v Speaker 2>if it was the best alcoholic drink ever, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure with my budget. You know, I work in radio.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll talk about the prices this year. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>all you can eat, food and drink. Stick around right

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talk seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's

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<v Speaker 2>So the story might have influenced my opinion on the

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<v Speaker 2>song a little bit, but like I like it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a vibe. You could tell this guy's like an artist,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like and sugar that he's

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<v Speaker 2>that he's wanting is you know, cocaine, boogo boogersh sugar

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<v Speaker 2>as they say, and like I don't know, again, not

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<v Speaker 2>to get artsy fartsy on you guys, but like sugarman,

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<v Speaker 2>something about bringing the color to my dreams. Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>to me, that's like, I don't know, it's art, it's

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<v Speaker 2>artist artistry.

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<v Speaker 3>It sounds like a rambling man just telling that music. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and and here one night, gone the next.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not a documentary guy, I don't think. But if

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<v Speaker 3>you ever do, I enjoy them. Okay, well, if you

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<v Speaker 3>ever do want to check one out. I mean, even

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<v Speaker 3>though you know the premise of it, I think the

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<v Speaker 3>layers to it are it's just fascinating and uh, to

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<v Speaker 3>to see you know, him, not just realize that like

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<v Speaker 3>oh wow, like my music ended up here and there's

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<v Speaker 3>people that really liked it. He encountered people who for

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<v Speaker 3>like their whole life, they've idolized him, not knowing who

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<v Speaker 3>he is, but I guess his music and like they

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<v Speaker 3>were emotional to know that, like he isn't dead and

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<v Speaker 3>here he is, and like, it's just a powerful thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do believe that not only did this happen

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<v Speaker 2>because of the era that that you know, the seventies, eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>nineties was it wouldn't be possible for this to happen

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<v Speaker 2>now because of you know, the Internet of the digital world,

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<v Speaker 2>but also think the timing of when this story became

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<v Speaker 2>a thing and they made a documentary on it, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of feel like it would be a bigger it

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<v Speaker 2>would be a bit more of a known thing now.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if Netflix did this whole story themselves and uncovered

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<v Speaker 2>it and like made it the front of their dashboard

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<v Speaker 2>when you log into Netflix, I think it would have

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<v Speaker 2>captivated people so much because of like again, it's something

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<v Speaker 2>you can't make up. But for those who missed it,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a documentary called Searching for Sugarman that it's about

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who was really famous in countries for his music,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had no clue and you know, he found

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<v Speaker 2>out many many years later. And that guy's name was

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<v Speaker 2>was his first name. The horses Rodriguez and the Rodriguez

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<v Speaker 2>Thoroughbred here in the in the Derby six yeah six

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<v Speaker 2>do Rodriguez is what Rodriguez is named after and I

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<v Speaker 2>just feel like that it's got to be a sign

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<v Speaker 2>for me to throw a little throw a little money

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<v Speaker 2>on it to see if it can can win the

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<v Speaker 2>derby on Saturday. All right, if you're going to the

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<v Speaker 2>includes all you can eat drinking food, which a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of them do include that now, but I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>some that don't. And you want to get yourself an

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<v Speaker 2>old Forester mint julip twenty two bucks, a pop twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two dollars. Yep. You can get a hair a Dura

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<v Speaker 2>horseshoe margarita. Am I saying that right? Hair Adura? Is

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<v Speaker 2>that a brand? I'm sure it is. That a stuff familiar,

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<v Speaker 2>not a tequila guy myself. But you can get a

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<v Speaker 2>margarita twenty twenty two bucks, Oaks Lily twenty two bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>You want a little glasses Jardnay, maybe a little glass

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<v Speaker 2>of pino let me guess, nineteen dollars close eighteen. And

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<v Speaker 2>how about a white claw Hard Seltzer seventeen fourteen, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, premium beer fourteen, domestic beer thirteen. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you just want to bull six bucks and a Sanny

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<v Speaker 2>bottled water five bucks. That's the price. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're gonna be fine, but just know you've

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<v Speaker 2>priced me out, Churchill. I wouldn't be able to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I might be able to have a day,

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<v Speaker 2>price tag of the price tag, but the price of

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<v Speaker 2>admission for like any just to get in and get

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<v Speaker 2>a seat somewhere, just you know, get it where you're

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<v Speaker 2>not in the infield essentially on Oaks and Derby. It

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<v Speaker 2>is crazy expensive. But if you're gonna go, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>way to go because you wouldn't have to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>anything other than a wager when you're in there, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, quite literally you just I remember going for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time realizing you just walk up and tell

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<v Speaker 2>them you want to beer and they give you one too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not normal in any way. And I've now this

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<v Speaker 2>has been the case for at least the last two years,

416
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<v Speaker 2>maybe three years, and it still never feels normal, you

417
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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, because like some people probably have

418
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<v Speaker 2>like oh let me, you know, let me go check

419
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<v Speaker 2>my account before I walk up here and get a

420
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<v Speaker 2>drink because you know, times are hard for folks. Everybody's

421
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<v Speaker 2>you know, probably living. A lot of people live in

422
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<v Speaker 2>check to check and whatnot, and that's just you know,

423
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<v Speaker 2>become the new norm for a lot of people. And

424
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<v Speaker 2>that's you know, it's life. It's it's tough. But I mean,

425
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<v Speaker 2>if you can, if you consider what you would like.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Let's say you got a substantially cheaper price, but it

427
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<v Speaker 2>didn't include all you can eat, and you know you

428
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<v Speaker 2>want to go and you want to drink, booze and eat,

429
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<v Speaker 2>then it more than makes sense. Now, if you're somebody

430
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<v Speaker 2>that wants to go and you're not a drinker, and

431
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<v Speaker 2>you really wouldn't want to eat like the food that

432
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<v Speaker 2>they provide because you know you're a health nut and

433
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<v Speaker 2>you want to eat before you go. At that point,

434
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<v Speaker 2>it's really up to you deciding what makes sense from

435
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<v Speaker 2>like a financial standpoint. But for me, if I'm gonna

436
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<v Speaker 2>be there all day, I'm gonna want to throw a

437
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<v Speaker 2>few beers down the neck and I'm probably gonna win

438
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<v Speaker 2>and eat some chicken fingers and whatever other food items

439
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<v Speaker 2>they have. And they got some really good waffle fries

440
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<v Speaker 2>at Churchill Now City, Well, Nacho cheese with those waffle fries.

441
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's good stuff there.

442
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm gonna be probably cocktailing all day.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, absolutely, you're on that bourbon.

444
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<v Speaker 3>I do the bourbon for how mean you got too?

445
00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:15.799
<v Speaker 3>For Kentucky Derby? Yep?

446
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<v Speaker 2>Do you like? Do you like him Mint Julip?

447
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<v Speaker 3>No, not really, but I will in that same breath.

448
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<v Speaker 3>I'll have one just to say that I had one

449
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<v Speaker 3>at Churchhill.

450
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<v Speaker 2>So if they're made, if they're I mean, I mean,

451
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<v Speaker 2>I guess there's different ways to make them. I don't know,

452
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<v Speaker 2>but there's some that are pre mixed, right, and those

453
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<v Speaker 2>are fine, But I don't really I wouldn't say that

454
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<v Speaker 2>I like them. But there was some old forester. There

455
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<v Speaker 2>was an old foresters set up to where they made

456
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<v Speaker 2>them by hand, and I remember like, okay, this when

457
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<v Speaker 2>it's made this way. Maybe it's just because I watched

458
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<v Speaker 2>them make it and it gets me excited. But like,

459
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big bourbon guy by any means, but

460
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<v Speaker 2>I actually do like Mint Julip's. I don't want to

461
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<v Speaker 2>drink them all day, but every year I try to

462
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<v Speaker 2>have at least one, and if it's a premixed one,

463
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<v Speaker 2>I can kind of you know, I could never drink

464
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<v Speaker 2>it again. Not to say it's terrible, but the others

465
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<v Speaker 2>actually think are pretty pretty good. But really, you know,

466
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<v Speaker 2>maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like a day of

467
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<v Speaker 2>if I was to just hammer nothing but mint julips

468
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<v Speaker 2>all day one, I'd be hammered. But like, I feel

469
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<v Speaker 2>like that's just that's such a unique drink that like

470
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<v Speaker 2>the mint. To like drinking alcohol all day that is

471
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<v Speaker 2>a mint of mint flavor would be a little much

472
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<v Speaker 2>for me.

473
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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I usually stick with I just stick with

475
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<v Speaker 2>the bud lights. If they had bush light, That's what

476
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<v Speaker 2>I'd go with.

477
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<v Speaker 3>And then a bush light at the Downs.

478
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, bush light is clearly making

479
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<v Speaker 2>a making a real push here in recent years. I

480
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<v Speaker 2>don't want to, I don't want to take credit for it,

481
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm also not going to act like it's just

482
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<v Speaker 2>some coincidence, right I do I do vibe checks asking

483
00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.640
<v Speaker 2>people at the Cardinals. Yeah, I do vibe checks at

484
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Cardinal Stadium asking you know where the bush light is

485
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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years, and then all of a

486
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<v Speaker 2>sudden they start selling it. Do you think that's a coincidence?

487
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:54.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, probably can probably is, but you know, I

488
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<v Speaker 2>like to convince myself that I have a little more

489
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<v Speaker 2>influenced than I actually do. But anyways, thirty weeks here

490
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<v Speaker 2>it is. It's exciting stuff. So NFL Draft we had

491
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of reaction to it when it comes to

492
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<v Speaker 2>the local names. Tyler Shuck going in the second round

493
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<v Speaker 2>to the Saints. When you draft somebody that early, you

494
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<v Speaker 2>are hiring them to at some point be a franchise quarterback.

495
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<v Speaker 2>So that's the belief they have in him. And I

496
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<v Speaker 2>do think when you consider that they just hired a

497
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<v Speaker 2>new head coach who is clearly an offensive mind, I mean,

498
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<v Speaker 2>I'd be highly surprised if he didn't have some real,

499
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<v Speaker 2>you know, influence in that decision not just to draft

500
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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback, but to draft, but to draft Tyler Shuck.

501
00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:40.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know, I think Kellen Moore realizes, Hey, this guy,

502
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<v Speaker 2>if Derek Carr's shoulders not where it needs to be,

503
00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:45.720
<v Speaker 2>this guy's probably more ready than any of the quarterbacks

504
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<v Speaker 2>in this class to come in and help us out.

505
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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, the ceiling may not be as high as

506
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<v Speaker 2>some others, but you know, if he stays healthy and

507
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<v Speaker 2>he's got some pieces to work with, Shuck can make

508
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<v Speaker 2>all the throws, and I just I think maybe this

509
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<v Speaker 2>is me just being the homer here, wanting it so

510
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<v Speaker 2>badly for Tyler to be successful in the NFL. But

511
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think as is in a good system,

512
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<v Speaker 2>and he's healthy, why can't he be a long term

513
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>starter that you can win with. And clearly the Saints

514
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.200
<v Speaker 2>believed it, and that's exciting. But I did feel bad

515
00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.440
<v Speaker 2>for Tyler because you know, it was quite clear New

516
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Orleans did not like the pick. And I'm sure you

517
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<v Speaker 2>could find some Saints fans that are fine with it

518
00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.519
<v Speaker 2>or that really really did like it, but it was

519
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 2>hard to ignore New Orleans Saints fans being unhappy with

520
00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.599
<v Speaker 2>that decision. He can't do anything about it, and I

521
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 2>think this is a sign, This is an example of

522
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<v Speaker 2>where his maturity can really help him kind of deal

523
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<v Speaker 2>with that and not be deterred and not be you know,

524
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<v Speaker 2>losing confidence. He knows he trusted himself, so I hope

525
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<v Speaker 2>he can prove those fans wrong and they can have

526
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<v Speaker 2>a successful thing there in New Orleans. Also joining him

527
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<v Speaker 2>in New Orleans, Quincy Riley, one of the better defensive

528
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<v Speaker 2>backs that louisvill has had in quite some time and

529
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 2>had a hell of a career, and he'll have an

530
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<v Speaker 2>opportunity to compete for playing time and wouldn't be shocked

531
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<v Speaker 2>if he has a good stretch here in the NFL

532
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 2>and the National Jualati was taken in the third round

533
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<v Speaker 2>by the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously going to a very

534
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:17.119
<v Speaker 2>successful organization, and you know he's got all the talent.

535
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 2>They showed all of his highlights and hearing them talk

536
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<v Speaker 2>about him on draft night on Friday night, I should say,

537
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>which of course was Day two of the draft, I mean,

538
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:28.880
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of reminded me of, Yeah, this guy.

539
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:32.799
<v Speaker 2>There wasn't as many moments that really stood out in

540
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<v Speaker 2>his last season here, but it's probably because by that

541
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>point he had proven enough in his first three years that,

542
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:41.200
<v Speaker 2>like the opposing team, first thing they got to do

543
00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.279
<v Speaker 2>is they got to account for him in double and

544
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>triple team them at times, because that's how disruptive he

545
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>can be. So in the NFL, he's not going to

546
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<v Speaker 2>be getting double teamed at least, I wouldn't think. And

547
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<v Speaker 2>I have nothing but confidence in him, and not just

548
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<v Speaker 2>as a guy who has a lot of talent and

549
00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of athleticism, but like, to me, Ashton's been

550
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.279
<v Speaker 2>a pro like since he got here. What I mean

551
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.039
<v Speaker 2>by that is like he's going to be somebody that

552
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>represents that organization really really well, puts in the work,

553
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, when you have that and what I

554
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<v Speaker 2>believe is a high level of talent, it's a good

555
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.359
<v Speaker 2>recipe to have a long NFL career. So congrats, congrats

556
00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>to all those guys, real quick before we get back

557
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 2>into the shit or Sanders thing. I don't know if

558
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>it was just me that noticed it. I highly doubt

559
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.599
<v Speaker 2>it was just me, but Nick Saban was freaking amazing

560
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:35.519
<v Speaker 2>on the NFL draft coverage. I could. I mean, I'm

561
00:27:35.519 --> 00:27:38.519
<v Speaker 2>not like sometimes when people talk, you know, they get

562
00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 2>into the weeds talking ball about football. Sometimes it goes

563
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a little bit over my head. But like Nick Saban,

564
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<v Speaker 2>I could listen to him talk about NFL draft picks

565
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>all day. I don't know what it is about him.

566
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Clearly he knows a lot about NFL or he knows

567
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>a lot about football. He's Nick freaking Saban. But to me,

568
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>his analysis stood out more than others. And it's probably

569
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<v Speaker 2>just because you know, I realize this is a that Yeah,

570
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>we know he knows what he's talking about, not to

571
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 2>say the others that are in that situation that are

572
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>part of draft coverage for different networks. But man, I

573
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 2>could listen to him talk all day and he was

574
00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:14.400
<v Speaker 2>really really gassing up Tyler Shuck. And that five minute

575
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 2>that five minutes or so that they spent talking about

576
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Shuck after he got drafted by the Saints and

577
00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.079
<v Speaker 2>talking about how, you know, playing in a Jeff Brown

578
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>pro style offense will really really benefit him. And when

579
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.599
<v Speaker 2>they were talking about reasons that this was a good

580
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 2>pick and why it could work out, not once, not twice,

581
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:36.440
<v Speaker 2>but at least three times, they would throw in will

582
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.599
<v Speaker 2>he played for Jeff Brohm, And I'm just thinking, man,

583
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 2>that is invaluable when it comes to the pr the

584
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 2>promo you're getting, because shuck to me if he has

585
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:46.559
<v Speaker 2>six I mean, even he didn't have success in the NFL,

586
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I hate to act like Tyler didn't earn it and

587
00:28:49.000 --> 00:28:51.119
<v Speaker 2>deserve it because he had bad luck, had bad injuries,

588
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>and it'd be hard for a lot of guys to,

589
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I think, not lose confidence when that happens, right, I mean,

590
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 2>he had a four year, five year career that was

591
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>just the story was in he couldn't stay healthy, never

592
00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 2>finished a season healthy, So you know he comes to

593
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Louisville mature, clearly has the talent. Jeff put him in

594
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.720
<v Speaker 2>a situ in a situation where he was going to

595
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 2>be healthy, and clearly he was able to really showcase

596
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 2>what he can do. And he was really an unheard

597
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:17.799
<v Speaker 2>of name when he committed to Louisville last year. Now

598
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 2>he's the third quarterback taken in the draft. So I

599
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.400
<v Speaker 2>hate Dak like Tyler didn't deserve a lot of the credit,

600
00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>because he deserves every bit of credit and praise that

601
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:28.839
<v Speaker 2>he gets. But like Jeff can absolutely take advantage of

602
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 2>this and say, look, if you've got the talent, come

603
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 2>play for me. I'm gonna put you in a system

604
00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 2>where you're gonna shine, and the NFL is going to

605
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:38.680
<v Speaker 2>see that you can run an offense for him. So

606
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 2>I think, not only a great day for all those

607
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>guys who heard their name called, but the more representation

608
00:29:43.960 --> 00:29:45.799
<v Speaker 2>you have in the NFL draft can only help you

609
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>get more players that want to want to come and

610
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 2>play for you. Now back to Shehdorg Sanders. For those

611
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>who weren't with us early in the show, I just

612
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean when you consider everything as far as how

613
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>it was hand by Shad or Dion, I mean to

614
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>be that was not surprising at all, and also the

615
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:08.400
<v Speaker 2>way the NFL decided to react to it not surprising

616
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>at all either, because the NFL is going to be

617
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 2>just fine without Shad or Sanders. I mean, there's a lot,

618
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:15.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot to deal with there when it comes to

619
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the arrogance and the entitlement him clearly going through the

620
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:22.279
<v Speaker 2>process leading up to the draft as if the teams

621
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 2>need to sell themselves to him rather than it being

622
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:30.279
<v Speaker 2>the other way around. I mean, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>there's many players that are elite that could do that

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<v Speaker 2>in it not come back to bite them, meaning like

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL will say, yeah, you're talented, but we'll be

626
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<v Speaker 2>fine without you. And I don't think it was, you know, collusion.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think he wasn't that special to where you

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<v Speaker 2>would take a risk, you would invest in somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>is making it clear that like you know, like like

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<v Speaker 2>he's hiring you, like he's going to let you as

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<v Speaker 2>a franchise use his services, instead of like, hey, we've

632
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<v Speaker 2>got an opportunity for you we would like to draft.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's just it's again. Here's here's about a two

634
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<v Speaker 2>minute clip from Tom Pelsero, and I feel like, again,

635
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<v Speaker 2>if you hear this from the Sanders side of things,

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<v Speaker 2>none of it will surprise you. And if you hear

637
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<v Speaker 2>how the NFL decided to react to it, none of

638
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<v Speaker 2>it should surprise you at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Mike, it was not a shock within the NFL and

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<v Speaker 4>team buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the

641
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<v Speaker 4>first round. I would fairly tell you it is a

642
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<v Speaker 4>surprise that he is still on the board at the

643
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<v Speaker 4>start of day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're

644
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<v Speaker 4>drafted at the quarterback position, specifically, if you think you

645
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<v Speaker 4>got a starter, you take him in round one. If

646
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<v Speaker 4>you're drafting somebody to be your backup, you don't want

647
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<v Speaker 4>to do that until day three. I spoke last night

648
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<v Speaker 4>with one general manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today.

649
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<v Speaker 4>He pointed back all the way to March twenty twenty

650
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<v Speaker 4>four and something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on

651
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<v Speaker 4>a podcast talking about Bulls Shadur and Travis Hunter, saying

652
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<v Speaker 4>that if they are drafted by a team that they

653
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<v Speaker 4>don't want to go to, he's going to step in

654
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<v Speaker 4>and pull an eli, meaning force those players to not

655
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<v Speaker 4>actually go to that team and try to get them traded.

656
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<v Speaker 4>Throughout the pre draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded

657
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<v Speaker 4>as if he was dictating to clubs where he was

658
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<v Speaker 4>going to go, rather than how the draft works, which

659
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 4>is the other way around. And there were a bunch

660
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 4>of opportunities missed at the various checkpoints through that pre

661
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:25.759
<v Speaker 4>draft process, go all the way back to All Star season.

662
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<v Speaker 4>Instead of going to the Senior Bowl, he went to

663
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<v Speaker 4>the East West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 4>Despite an NFL memo saying if you go to these

665
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<v Speaker 4>All Star games, you have to practice, Shadur chose not to.

666
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<v Speaker 4>At the combine, it has now well documented some of

667
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<v Speaker 4>his formal interviews did not go well. One assistant coach

668
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 4>told me, in all his years, it was the worst

669
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<v Speaker 4>formal interview he'd ever been through. People said that Chador

670
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<v Speaker 4>was trying to dictate how he wanted things to go

671
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 4>and made them feel small. Even at the Pro Dame,

672
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<v Speaker 4>the entire Big Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chaduur

673
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 4>was there but did not work out. He had a

674
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<v Speaker 4>showcase instead in Colorado. All of which is to say,

675
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<v Speaker 4>for a player who had avariety of questions both about

676
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<v Speaker 4>the talent level, how we would fit into an NFL system,

677
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<v Speaker 4>how he would adjust from his play style in college,

678
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<v Speaker 4>but also about the potential culture shock for the first

679
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 4>time playing for someone who is not his father. There

680
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<v Speaker 4>were opportunities that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he

681
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<v Speaker 4>seemed to feel as if he was in an elite

682
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<v Speaker 4>category where he could choose the few teams he wanted

683
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<v Speaker 4>to go to. Now, some of those very same teams

684
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<v Speaker 4>that might be considering taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities.

685
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<v Speaker 4>To answer their question, what.

686
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<v Speaker 2>So when you consider all that, I mean, it really

687
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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make it really isn't a surprise that things played

688
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<v Speaker 2>out the way that they did. And one of the

689
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<v Speaker 2>last things that was said there by Pallisero is that

690
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<v Speaker 2>they think meaning Dion and I guess should or think

691
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<v Speaker 2>that he's in an elite class that he's just not in.

692
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<v Speaker 2>And it's not to say he's terrible and he wouldn't

693
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>be worthy of any kind of any pick, but there's

694
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<v Speaker 2>such a disconnect from who he actually is as a player.

695
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<v Speaker 2>But even if he was substantially better, he would still

696
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<v Speaker 2>have a tough time getting an NFL team to make

697
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<v Speaker 2>an investment and hire him, essentially by drafting him, because

698
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.119
<v Speaker 2>of you know, they know they don't like they'll be

699
00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>fine without him. And what's even worse is I believe

700
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<v Speaker 2>that even if Shor Sanders was substantially less accomplished, less talented,

701
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<v Speaker 2>I still think he would have acted the exact same way.

702
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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's just because Dion is letting his

703
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<v Speaker 2>kids not just I mean one thing, to let them

704
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<v Speaker 2>believe in themselves and really gass them up and tell

705
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<v Speaker 2>them that you know they're great. But this is level

706
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<v Speaker 2>of delusion. I think we can't blame Dion for it,

707
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<v Speaker 2>I guess, But I mean, on what world would you

708
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<v Speaker 2>going on a national television show saying that you will

709
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<v Speaker 2>stop your son from playing for certain teams they might

710
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<v Speaker 2>want to draft him. In what world will that help

711
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<v Speaker 2>in any way? Quick break?

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<v Speaker 2>any of the NBA playoffs Boston? I know you watch?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I watched the Lakers Wolves game yesterday. That was

749
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<v Speaker 3>really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean at this point, Boston probably gonna end

751
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<v Speaker 2>up being the winner of the East, at least, I

752
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<v Speaker 2>would say. But I want Cleveland and Donovan to break

753
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<v Speaker 2>through because oh, me too. Donovan, that's the one thing

754
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 2>he's yet to yet to really, I mean, he's not

755
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<v Speaker 2>made a deep run in the playoffs yet. He's proven

756
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<v Speaker 2>himself as an accomplished player. And but I think it

757
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>is really undervalued is that he wasn't just the guy

758
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<v Speaker 2>for Utah. He went to Cleveland and actually became an

759
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<v Speaker 2>even bigger weapon for that franchise than he was in Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's Donovan's great, But obviously when it comes

761
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<v Speaker 2>to all time greats and how they're talked about making

762
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<v Speaker 2>deep runs, getting to the finals, maybe winning the finals,

763
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<v Speaker 2>that's where you can really kind of separate yourself from

764
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<v Speaker 2>others and the NBA. I mean, there's such a difference

765
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<v Speaker 2>in being a team that's good enough to have the

766
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<v Speaker 2>best or second best record in your division and your

767
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<v Speaker 2>conference in an eighty two game season, but there are

768
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<v Speaker 2>certain teams that are built to maybe not have the

769
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<v Speaker 2>best record in eighty two games, but they're built to

770
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<v Speaker 2>beat you in a seven game series. And that's what

771
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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping Cleveland can finally do to get past Boston

772
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<v Speaker 2>if they get there. All right, we're out of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and enjoy your evening. We're back at it tomorrow right

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<v Speaker 2>here on Sports Talk seven ninety