Speaker 1: It's time for coffee and company fueled by Thornton's on
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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to five o'clock hour. Started here
Speaker 2: on a Monday afternoon. Derby Week is here, and that's
Speaker 2: certainly exciting. It is coffee and company. I hope you
Speaker 2: knew that. One thing I know that you have to
Speaker 2: be aware of is that we are fueled by Thornton's
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Speaker 2: friends over at Thornton's. And I started the show talking
Speaker 2: just about, you know, Derby Week being here and the excitement.
Speaker 2: And I haven't done much of looking into the field
Speaker 2: just yet, but after doing just a little bit of
Speaker 2: that during the show during the commercial breaks, I now
Speaker 2: know which horse I'm all in on, and this is
Speaker 2: I think this was released earlier today, maybe so I
Speaker 2: imagine maybe it's changed, but actually I'll pull up and
Speaker 2: get updated odds here before you know, before too long.
Speaker 2: But I like horses that you know, have a good story.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the horses themselves, but you know, the owners,
Speaker 2: the trainers, that kind of stuff. That's what really hooks me.
Speaker 2: And because I've never and probably will never be someone
Speaker 2: that is considered to be even average at picking winners
Speaker 2: and that kind of stuff. When in horse racing, you know,
Speaker 2: to me, it's all luck, and that's okay. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of gambling is luck, and I
Speaker 2: choose to be it that way because it keeps me
Speaker 2: from ever having the mindset of, like, you know what,
Speaker 2: this is pretty pretty easy. I mean, maybe I don't
Speaker 2: need a job with a salary and you know benefits,
Speaker 2: like I can just I can just gamble. Have ever explained,
Speaker 2: Austin why I have that mindset of, like, just remind
Speaker 2: yourself that it's all luck, and then you'll just realize,
Speaker 2: you know, expect, expect the worst, hope, you know, hope
Speaker 2: for the best. So if you win, it's great. Because
Speaker 2: when I went to the boat the first time, Caesar's.
Speaker 2: I still call it the boat, but a lot of
Speaker 2: people do you still do too? Right? Yeah, I say,
Speaker 2: brothers in arms, you and I in the boat.
Speaker 3: I'll sometimes slip up and say Caesar's, but we all
Speaker 3: know it's a boat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the boat. OG's no, But I went when
Speaker 2: my wife turned twenty one, her her father took us
Speaker 2: in some family and We celebrated her birthday there, and
Speaker 2: it was the first time that I'd ever been to
Speaker 2: like a casino where you can gamble oh okay, and
Speaker 2: I played blackjack. And by the way, my wife's just
Speaker 2: a little bit younger than me. In fact, I was
Speaker 2: twenty one when she turned twenty one, but I just
Speaker 2: turned twenty one like four months prior. So we were
Speaker 2: there and I brought like forty bucks when it comes
Speaker 2: to blackjack, actually a bout forty bucks. Not knowing what
Speaker 2: I was going to do, and of all the games
Speaker 2: that you know that were available to play, blackjack intimidated
Speaker 2: me the least. So I decided to play the easy game,
Speaker 2: and within like twenty minutes, I went from forty bucks
Speaker 2: to like two hundred and six. Oh, let's go. So
Speaker 2: I just walked away and I was like nope, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm up, like this is this is awesome. And
Speaker 2: then like we're leaving the casino and I'm thinking like
Speaker 2: that was the easiest money ever made, thinking like that,
Speaker 2: you know, I made money, I earned money. I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess technically I did, but like there was no
Speaker 2: awareness of, you know, for me, that that was luck.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, I'm good. I'm good at this game.
Speaker 2: I need to start doing this to help, you know,
Speaker 2: support my family that I didn't have at the time.
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is this is too easy
Speaker 2: for me to not make money. I got to keep
Speaker 2: doing it. So a couple of weeks go by, and
Speaker 2: I had a buddy who he was really getting into
Speaker 2: going and gambling, playing poker, that kind of stuff. He's
Speaker 2: much more into it than I was. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to go play some blackjack. So this time
Speaker 2: I took like eighty bucks. It was gone in five minutes,
Speaker 2: all of it. So then I was like, never doing
Speaker 2: that again. And that it's kept me able to kind
Speaker 2: of understand that like gambling is for entertainment. It is fun,
Speaker 2: you know, like losing, oh yeah, but the ride until
Speaker 2: you either win or lose is still something that is
Speaker 2: it's it's entertainment. So that's why, you know, when it
Speaker 2: comes to betting on sports, I think it's all luck too.
Speaker 2: But at least whenever I've got you know, a sport,
Speaker 2: college basketball, college football, the NFL, at least I know
Speaker 2: enough about those things to where I can at least
Speaker 2: convince myself that if I do win. It wasn't just
Speaker 2: luck man. You know your stuff, Nick, you really took
Speaker 2: it to the books this weekend. It's not reality, but
Speaker 2: at least it makes it more fun. So slot machine
Speaker 2: to me is just luck. So I don't really enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking anybody. I know people enjoy it, but
Speaker 2: to me, it's just, you know, I feel like it's
Speaker 2: just wasting money. So that's the way I've you horse racing,
Speaker 2: like I just you know, it's fun to pick something
Speaker 2: and see if it happens, and if it does win,
Speaker 2: you know, it's great. But I have not had many
Speaker 2: winners in my lifetime. So again that when it comes
Speaker 2: to picking who I want to bet on, it's not
Speaker 2: just about oh well, I like the name. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: will pick it based off that. If I don't have
Speaker 2: a whole lot of time, if we're talking about being
Speaker 2: at Churchill all day and you know, I'm just looking
Speaker 2: at the program. But this story like this to me
Speaker 2: is a sign for me. So I don't know if
Speaker 2: I've talked about it a whole lot recently, but over
Speaker 2: the years, if you listen even a little bit, like
Speaker 2: I'm a documentary nerd, I love documentary series. I love
Speaker 2: documentary movies. There's probably not many you could recommend that
Speaker 2: I haven't seen, like it is what I enjoy watching binging,
Speaker 2: Like if I'm going to the gym, that's where I
Speaker 2: watch most of my stuff that I stream. Like if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get a few miles in on the treadmill,
Speaker 2: I'll find a documentary and I'll just get lost in
Speaker 2: that and that'll keep me from, like, you know, thinking
Speaker 2: about that I'm running and I'm about to die. And
Speaker 2: one of the best documentaries that I've seen is one
Speaker 2: that I don't really think a lot of people even
Speaker 2: know about it, and it's one that when I do share,
Speaker 2: hey you should check this out, Like a lot of
Speaker 2: people have never heard of it. So I really go
Speaker 2: above and beyond, like, hey, I'm telling you you have
Speaker 2: to find this. It's and it's rotated from being on
Speaker 2: different streaming services. I think I watched on Netflix, no joke,
Speaker 2: like twelve years ago, like it was it was. It
Speaker 2: was released in two thousand and twelve. So here here's
Speaker 2: the story. And it almost seems unreal because this day
Speaker 2: and age this would not be possible at all, but
Speaker 2: it is possible. So my horse that I'm going with
Speaker 2: is a Bafford horse, and it's one that you've probably
Speaker 2: heard about. Rodriguez. Yes, so sire is authentic and again
Speaker 2: it's Bafford. It's also the owners are SF Racing, Starlight Racing,
Speaker 2: Matdict Stables, and you know, you can check out that
Speaker 2: information if you'd like. I'm just trying to give you
Speaker 2: a little bit of info that you know may mean
Speaker 2: something to you, but for me, I don't really know
Speaker 2: a lot about that. But hey, Bob Bafford, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a known name and he's had a lot of success.
Speaker 2: But that's not what has hooked me. It's the name
Speaker 2: as to how this horse became Rodriguez. That's what's got
Speaker 2: me because it's actually named after the person the documentary featured.
Speaker 2: So let me read here directly. This is from the
Speaker 2: Courier Journal, says Bafford is set to return to the
Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby for the first time since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: He was suspended three years following this qualification of Medina
Speaker 2: Spirit from the twenty twenty one Kentucky Derby. Both of
Speaker 2: Rodriguez's victories have come in wire to wire fashion, and
Speaker 2: he figures to be at or near the front early
Speaker 2: in the hockey Derby the Horses named for six Stough Rodriguez,
Speaker 2: an American musician who gained fame in South Africa, Australia,
Speaker 2: and New Zealand. So let me give you the gist
Speaker 2: of this documentary. It's called Searching for Sugarman. So six
Speaker 2: Stough Rodriguez he had a song I think called Sugarman,
Speaker 2: and he had very little success in music in Detroit
Speaker 2: long long ago, like in the late sixties, early seventies,
Speaker 2: might have been more so the seventies, but listen to
Speaker 2: this story, Austin, it's crazy. So he ended up kind
Speaker 2: of flaming out, had a record deal and he had
Speaker 2: a song I think it was called Sugarman, and it
Speaker 2: ended up you know, I mean it was kind of like,
Speaker 2: I guess, maybe a one hit wonder, but really not
Speaker 2: even that because it wasn't that big of a hit. Well,
Speaker 2: somehow his music ended up getting really really popular in
Speaker 2: South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. So he was a
Speaker 2: legend and they just called him Sugarman because of the song.
Speaker 2: They played it on the radio. It was a humongous hit,
Speaker 2: but he never knew the internet didn't exist. He kind
Speaker 2: of once he didn't have initial success as a musician,
Speaker 2: he just faded into obscurity. He spent some time homeless.
Speaker 2: He just was roaming the streets in Detroit and had
Speaker 2: some odd jobs. And the tales just became wild about
Speaker 2: whatever happened to him, Like most just assumed he was dead.
Speaker 2: There started to be different stories about some elaborate, crazy
Speaker 2: way he died because he's some legendary figure, when in reality,
Speaker 2: he's just he's just living kind of as a you know,
Speaker 2: kind he's kind of panhandling in Detroit, just trying to
Speaker 2: make ends meet. He work construction, had a daughter but
Speaker 2: wasn't really active in her life growing up. And all
Speaker 2: the while you've got Australia, New Zealand and South Africa
Speaker 2: like he's a legend when it comes to music. Well,
Speaker 2: somebody realized this guy may actually be alive, and they
Speaker 2: found him and he was just living in some abandoned
Speaker 2: building in Detroit, if my memory is correct, and they
Speaker 2: ended up like showing him like you're a legend, like
Speaker 2: you like you had the most played song on the
Speaker 2: radio this specific year in New Zealand. And here he
Speaker 2: is probably feeling like not a super successful person, probably
Speaker 2: maybe having thoughts of being a failure try to be
Speaker 2: a musician that didn't work out, and now he's just
Speaker 2: kind of he's tried to make ends meet for the
Speaker 2: last I don't know thirty years of his life. And
Speaker 2: then he realizes, holy crap, like they don't know me,
Speaker 2: but they know my music and they love me. So
Speaker 2: the people who put the documentary together they bring him
Speaker 2: to I think it might have been South Africa, and
Speaker 2: he ends up like he becomes a story there. He
Speaker 2: has a show in front of like thousands upon thousands
Speaker 2: of people, like an arena, and I just think that's
Speaker 2: insane that this guy became I mean, it kind of
Speaker 2: begs the question like can you consider that successful because
Speaker 2: you know he he didn't, he didn't even know it.
Speaker 2: And another factor that I should have mentioned that that
Speaker 2: that sort of led to him, like he's when he
Speaker 2: released the the his first and only album and the
Speaker 2: song that became really popular in those countries, he had
Speaker 2: signed to a record label that that was a bunch
Speaker 2: of crooks, so like they owned all the rights to
Speaker 2: his music, so he couldn't do anything with it. Therefore,
Speaker 2: when when when they're when they're trying to figure out,
Speaker 2: like who is this guy? This song's amazing, it's become
Speaker 2: a big hit on the radio in South Africa, Australia
Speaker 2: and New Zealand because of the record label being shut down,
Speaker 2: like they had the only way for them to to
Speaker 2: know is okay, what record label released this album? And
Speaker 2: it would come back to a record label that was
Speaker 2: defunct that didn't exist anymore. So, like there was really
Speaker 2: no trace of him anything documentation wise, as far as
Speaker 2: the music and the you know, the licensing, that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff was all from a company that folded that
Speaker 2: like had he had. There was nothing about there was
Speaker 2: nothing at all about him, And I just thought, like,
Speaker 2: you can't make this stuff up. That wouldn't happen this
Speaker 2: day and age just because of the Internet, right, Like
Speaker 2: it would be impossible. No, But he was, you know,
Speaker 2: he was super seccess I mean, imagine finding out decades
Speaker 2: later that you didn't fail. You in fact became like
Speaker 2: I mean initially when it became a big deal years
Speaker 2: and years ago, not long after like he released his music,
Speaker 2: they tried to, like people wanted to get in touch
Speaker 2: with him, to like bring him, to bring him to
Speaker 2: their country, and have him do shows like he was
Speaker 2: a big deal, but they could never find him. And
Speaker 2: that's whenever they just assumed he was dead, because they
Speaker 2: would try to contact this record label that didn't exist.
Speaker 2: And then they did something in the documentary. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen it in a long time, but they did track
Speaker 2: down somebody that was like affiliated with that record company
Speaker 2: at some point and claimed that like any request to
Speaker 2: like talk to him, they would have just ignored. And
Speaker 2: I just thought that was at something you can't make up.
Speaker 2: And that's what the horse is named his name. The
Speaker 2: horses named Rodrigo Rodriguez because of six Though Rodriguez. Who
Speaker 2: is this musician who the documentary it's called Searching for Sugarman,
Speaker 2: because again, without really any way to figure out who
Speaker 2: it is they're listening to, they may have known that
Speaker 2: his name was six Till Rodriguez, but I don't think
Speaker 2: they did actually, because if you listen to people who like,
Speaker 2: you know, really were around in those countries when that
Speaker 2: music and when his song became a big deal, they
Speaker 2: just called him Sugarman. And that's and again it's been
Speaker 2: so long since I've seen it, I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 2: why the documentary is titled searching for Sugarman because they
Speaker 2: didn't know his name. And I think at one point,
Speaker 2: and I'm getting I don't want to make it too confusing,
Speaker 2: but I think at one point they they thought that
Speaker 2: they figured out who he was, and then they realized
Speaker 2: for like ten years, no, that wasn't him, that's a
Speaker 2: different guy. I mean, that's crazy. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if this horse is gonna win, and if it does,
Speaker 2: it won't be because I had any ability to like,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I kind of like him now.
Speaker 2: But isn't that a good story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I love me a good name story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go. That's my horse. I'm rolling
Speaker 2: with Rodriguez, do you have I mean, again you mentioned earlier.
Speaker 3: I like sam Man, but I also feel.
Speaker 2: Like metallicas send a bunch of gear to the to
Speaker 2: the stable. Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 3: It's they're they're huge, you're big into it. I also
Speaker 3: love Metallica too, so who doesn't. That's America kid, It's
Speaker 3: great stuff. And the other one is a long shot,
Speaker 3: but American Promise because it's Dad is Justify, one of
Speaker 3: the greatest horses ever. So I love that one. Uh
Speaker 3: my dad who I also go to a lot. He
Speaker 3: seems to like h he seems to like Owen Almighty.
Speaker 3: I think he just likes that name. I haven't got
Speaker 3: too much about it, but that Owen Almighty is pretty good.
Speaker 3: And just also the group chat or when I talked
Speaker 3: to the in laws last week after the Derby betting preview,
Speaker 3: this is what they said. This comes from their mouth
Speaker 3: when I started trying to gauge them on what they
Speaker 3: thought like, who they thought like the favorites would be,
Speaker 3: and of course Journalism was up there, and this came
Speaker 3: from their mouth. If Journalism doesn't win, it's a fluke race.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't win, it will be because something crazy happened.
Speaker 3: But which is which is crazy to hear, but at
Speaker 3: the same time like that, it's the Derby's a perfect
Speaker 3: place for weird stuff to happen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And we went from nothing goes perfectly. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think we went from having many, many years consecutively
Speaker 2: of like, well, the favorites are going to keep winning it,
Speaker 2: and it's it's gonna make it less interesting. And then
Speaker 2: we've had some real long shots or just you know,
Speaker 2: maybe not the favorite, maybe not super long shots. So
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought, anytime you feel like, well, you
Speaker 2: know this thing is because for so long we just
Speaker 2: assumed and I'm not alone here, and what do I know.
Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that you know, keeps up with horse
Speaker 2: racing even a little bit. But for decades, there was
Speaker 2: the belief that, yeah, it's just not possible anymore to
Speaker 2: ever envision somebody winning the Triple Crown, because you know,
Speaker 2: it's just it's just not realistic this day and age,
Speaker 2: because it hadn't happened in so long. And then we
Speaker 2: had two in what like a five six year stretch,
Speaker 2: and like those are those are things that I think
Speaker 2: are good for everything about horse racing and the Derby
Speaker 2: because you know, maybe we go another I don't know
Speaker 2: however many I don't know what the draft was as
Speaker 2: far as how many years, but like, who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: we have another one and then we'll be surprised to
Speaker 2: see that there are you know, back to back winners
Speaker 2: or something like that. So real quick, before we get
Speaker 2: to our next break, and I promise you we're gonna
Speaker 2: reset some stuff with the NFL draft, because I just
Speaker 2: I think it's worth hearing more about what led to
Speaker 2: the big slide and I'm not sure if it was
Speaker 2: a slide for Shit or Sanders. But when you hear
Speaker 2: NFL folks now tell after the draft some people behind
Speaker 2: the scenes what they you know, what the experience was
Speaker 2: like in vetting should or Sanders. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: it makes sense why they would say, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to pass. We're not really that interested anyway,
Speaker 2: but if he comes with this much baggage and all that,
Speaker 2: then you know we'll pass. All right, quick break, we'll
Speaker 2: come back, keep it rolling along. What it costs to
Speaker 2: get a mint julip or Oaks lily, I mean, even
Speaker 2: if it was the best alcoholic drink ever, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure with my budget. You know, I work in radio.
Speaker 2: I could justify the expense, give me a cheap bush Light.
Speaker 2: But we'll talk about the prices this year. If you're
Speaker 2: gonna be going without a ticket, that includes you know,
Speaker 2: all you can eat, food and drink. Stick around right
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Speaker 2: So the story might have influenced my opinion on the
Speaker 2: song a little bit, but like I like it. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's a vibe. You could tell this guy's like an artist,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like and sugar that he's
Speaker 2: that he's wanting is you know, cocaine, boogo boogersh sugar
Speaker 2: as they say, and like I don't know, again, not
Speaker 2: to get artsy fartsy on you guys, but like sugarman,
Speaker 2: something about bringing the color to my dreams. Like that's
Speaker 2: to me, that's like, I don't know, it's art, it's
Speaker 2: artist artistry.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a rambling man just telling that music. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, and and here one night, gone the next.
Speaker 3: You're not a documentary guy, I don't think. But if
Speaker 3: you ever do, I enjoy them. Okay, well, if you
Speaker 3: ever do want to check one out. I mean, even
Speaker 3: though you know the premise of it, I think the
Speaker 3: layers to it are it's just fascinating and uh, to
Speaker 3: to see you know, him, not just realize that like
Speaker 3: oh wow, like my music ended up here and there's
Speaker 3: people that really liked it. He encountered people who for
Speaker 3: like their whole life, they've idolized him, not knowing who
Speaker 3: he is, but I guess his music and like they
Speaker 3: were emotional to know that, like he isn't dead and
Speaker 3: here he is, and like, it's just a powerful thing.
Speaker 2: And I do believe that not only did this happen
Speaker 2: because of the era that that you know, the seventies, eighties,
Speaker 2: nineties was it wouldn't be possible for this to happen
Speaker 2: now because of you know, the Internet of the digital world,
Speaker 2: but also think the timing of when this story became
Speaker 2: a thing and they made a documentary on it, I
Speaker 2: kind of feel like it would be a bigger it
Speaker 2: would be a bit more of a known thing now.
Speaker 2: Like if Netflix did this whole story themselves and uncovered
Speaker 2: it and like made it the front of their dashboard
Speaker 2: when you log into Netflix, I think it would have
Speaker 2: captivated people so much because of like again, it's something
Speaker 2: you can't make up. But for those who missed it,
Speaker 2: there's a documentary called Searching for Sugarman that it's about
Speaker 2: a guy who was really famous in countries for his music,
Speaker 2: but he had no clue and you know, he found
Speaker 2: out many many years later. And that guy's name was
Speaker 2: was his first name. The horses Rodriguez and the Rodriguez
Speaker 2: Thoroughbred here in the in the Derby six yeah six
Speaker 2: do Rodriguez is what Rodriguez is named after and I
Speaker 2: just feel like that it's got to be a sign
Speaker 2: for me to throw a little throw a little money
Speaker 2: on it to see if it can can win the
Speaker 2: derby on Saturday. All right, if you're going to the
Speaker 2: derby and you are not going with a ticket that
Speaker 2: includes all you can eat drinking food, which a lot
Speaker 2: of them do include that now, but I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: some that don't. And you want to get yourself an
Speaker 2: old Forester mint julip twenty two bucks, a pop twenty
Speaker 2: two dollars. Yep. You can get a hair a Dura
Speaker 2: horseshoe margarita. Am I saying that right? Hair Adura? Is
Speaker 2: that a brand? I'm sure it is. That a stuff familiar,
Speaker 2: not a tequila guy myself. But you can get a
Speaker 2: margarita twenty twenty two bucks, Oaks Lily twenty two bucks.
Speaker 2: You want a little glasses Jardnay, maybe a little glass
Speaker 2: of pino let me guess, nineteen dollars close eighteen. And
Speaker 2: how about a white claw Hard Seltzer seventeen fourteen, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, premium beer fourteen, domestic beer thirteen. And if
Speaker 2: you just want to bull six bucks and a Sanny
Speaker 2: bottled water five bucks. That's the price. And you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're gonna be fine, but just know you've
Speaker 2: priced me out, Churchill. I wouldn't be able to you know,
Speaker 2: I mean I might be able to have a day,
Speaker 2: but like those who can again most people who and
Speaker 2: if you can make it work, like like yeah, the
Speaker 2: price tag of the price tag, but the price of
Speaker 2: admission for like any just to get in and get
Speaker 2: a seat somewhere, just you know, get it where you're
Speaker 2: not in the infield essentially on Oaks and Derby. It
Speaker 2: is crazy expensive. But if you're gonna go, that's the
Speaker 2: way to go because you wouldn't have to pay for
Speaker 2: anything other than a wager when you're in there, and
Speaker 2: you know, quite literally you just I remember going for
Speaker 2: the first time realizing you just walk up and tell
Speaker 2: them you want to beer and they give you one too.
Speaker 2: That's not normal in any way. And I've now this
Speaker 2: has been the case for at least the last two years,
Speaker 2: maybe three years, and it still never feels normal, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, because like some people probably have
Speaker 2: like oh let me, you know, let me go check
Speaker 2: my account before I walk up here and get a
Speaker 2: drink because you know, times are hard for folks. Everybody's
Speaker 2: you know, probably living. A lot of people live in
Speaker 2: check to check and whatnot, and that's just you know,
Speaker 2: become the new norm for a lot of people. And
Speaker 2: that's you know, it's life. It's it's tough. But I mean,
Speaker 2: if you can, if you consider what you would like.
Speaker 2: Let's say you got a substantially cheaper price, but it
Speaker 2: didn't include all you can eat, and you know you
Speaker 2: want to go and you want to drink, booze and eat,
Speaker 2: then it more than makes sense. Now, if you're somebody
Speaker 2: that wants to go and you're not a drinker, and
Speaker 2: you really wouldn't want to eat like the food that
Speaker 2: they provide because you know you're a health nut and
Speaker 2: you want to eat before you go. At that point,
Speaker 2: it's really up to you deciding what makes sense from
Speaker 2: like a financial standpoint. But for me, if I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be there all day, I'm gonna want to throw a
Speaker 2: few beers down the neck and I'm probably gonna win
Speaker 2: and eat some chicken fingers and whatever other food items
Speaker 2: they have. And they got some really good waffle fries
Speaker 2: at Churchill Now City, Well, Nacho cheese with those waffle fries.
Speaker 2: That's that's good stuff there.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna be probably cocktailing all day.
Speaker 2: Oh really, absolutely, you're on that bourbon.
Speaker 3: I do the bourbon for how mean you got too?
Speaker 3: For Kentucky Derby? Yep?
Speaker 2: Do you like? Do you like him Mint Julip?
Speaker 3: No, not really, but I will in that same breath.
Speaker 3: I'll have one just to say that I had one
Speaker 3: at Churchhill.
Speaker 2: So if they're made, if they're I mean, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess there's different ways to make them. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but there's some that are pre mixed, right, and those
Speaker 2: are fine, But I don't really I wouldn't say that
Speaker 2: I like them. But there was some old forester. There
Speaker 2: was an old foresters set up to where they made
Speaker 2: them by hand, and I remember like, okay, this when
Speaker 2: it's made this way. Maybe it's just because I watched
Speaker 2: them make it and it gets me excited. But like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a big bourbon guy by any means, but
Speaker 2: I actually do like Mint Julip's. I don't want to
Speaker 2: drink them all day, but every year I try to
Speaker 2: have at least one, and if it's a premixed one,
Speaker 2: I can kind of you know, I could never drink
Speaker 2: it again. Not to say it's terrible, but the others
Speaker 2: actually think are pretty pretty good. But really, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like a day of
Speaker 2: if I was to just hammer nothing but mint julips
Speaker 2: all day one, I'd be hammered. But like, I feel
Speaker 2: like that's just that's such a unique drink that like
Speaker 2: the mint. To like drinking alcohol all day that is
Speaker 2: a mint of mint flavor would be a little much
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I usually stick with I just stick with
Speaker 2: the bud lights. If they had bush light, That's what
Speaker 2: I'd go with.
Speaker 3: And then a bush light at the Downs.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, bush light is clearly making
Speaker 2: a making a real push here in recent years. I
Speaker 2: don't want to, I don't want to take credit for it,
Speaker 2: but I'm also not going to act like it's just
Speaker 2: some coincidence, right I do I do vibe checks asking
Speaker 2: people at the Cardinals. Yeah, I do vibe checks at
Speaker 2: Cardinal Stadium asking you know where the bush light is
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they start selling it. Do you think that's a coincidence?
Speaker 2: I mean, probably can probably is, but you know, I
Speaker 2: like to convince myself that I have a little more
Speaker 2: influenced than I actually do. But anyways, thirty weeks here
Speaker 2: it is. It's exciting stuff. So NFL Draft we had
Speaker 2: a lot of reaction to it when it comes to
Speaker 2: the local names. Tyler Shuck going in the second round
Speaker 2: to the Saints. When you draft somebody that early, you
Speaker 2: are hiring them to at some point be a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: So that's the belief they have in him. And I
Speaker 2: do think when you consider that they just hired a
Speaker 2: new head coach who is clearly an offensive mind, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'd be highly surprised if he didn't have some real,
Speaker 2: you know, influence in that decision not just to draft
Speaker 2: a quarterback, but to draft, but to draft Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think Kellen Moore realizes, Hey, this guy,
Speaker 2: if Derek Carr's shoulders not where it needs to be,
Speaker 2: this guy's probably more ready than any of the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: in this class to come in and help us out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the ceiling may not be as high as
Speaker 2: some others, but you know, if he stays healthy and
Speaker 2: he's got some pieces to work with, Shuck can make
Speaker 2: all the throws, and I just I think maybe this
Speaker 2: is me just being the homer here, wanting it so
Speaker 2: badly for Tyler to be successful in the NFL. But
Speaker 2: I mean, I think as is in a good system,
Speaker 2: and he's healthy, why can't he be a long term
Speaker 2: starter that you can win with. And clearly the Saints
Speaker 2: believed it, and that's exciting. But I did feel bad
Speaker 2: for Tyler because you know, it was quite clear New
Speaker 2: Orleans did not like the pick. And I'm sure you
Speaker 2: could find some Saints fans that are fine with it
Speaker 2: or that really really did like it, but it was
Speaker 2: hard to ignore New Orleans Saints fans being unhappy with
Speaker 2: that decision. He can't do anything about it, and I
Speaker 2: think this is a sign, This is an example of
Speaker 2: where his maturity can really help him kind of deal
Speaker 2: with that and not be deterred and not be you know,
Speaker 2: losing confidence. He knows he trusted himself, so I hope
Speaker 2: he can prove those fans wrong and they can have
Speaker 2: a successful thing there in New Orleans. Also joining him
Speaker 2: in New Orleans, Quincy Riley, one of the better defensive
Speaker 2: backs that louisvill has had in quite some time and
Speaker 2: had a hell of a career, and he'll have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to compete for playing time and wouldn't be shocked
Speaker 2: if he has a good stretch here in the NFL
Speaker 2: and the National Jualati was taken in the third round
Speaker 2: by the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously going to a very
Speaker 2: successful organization, and you know he's got all the talent.
Speaker 2: They showed all of his highlights and hearing them talk
Speaker 2: about him on draft night on Friday night, I should say,
Speaker 2: which of course was Day two of the draft, I mean,
Speaker 2: it just kind of reminded me of, Yeah, this guy.
Speaker 2: There wasn't as many moments that really stood out in
Speaker 2: his last season here, but it's probably because by that
Speaker 2: point he had proven enough in his first three years that,
Speaker 2: like the opposing team, first thing they got to do
Speaker 2: is they got to account for him in double and
Speaker 2: triple team them at times, because that's how disruptive he
Speaker 2: can be. So in the NFL, he's not going to
Speaker 2: be getting double teamed at least, I wouldn't think. And
Speaker 2: I have nothing but confidence in him, and not just
Speaker 2: as a guy who has a lot of talent and
Speaker 2: a lot of athleticism, but like, to me, Ashton's been
Speaker 2: a pro like since he got here. What I mean
Speaker 2: by that is like he's going to be somebody that
Speaker 2: represents that organization really really well, puts in the work,
Speaker 2: and you know, when you have that and what I
Speaker 2: believe is a high level of talent, it's a good
Speaker 2: recipe to have a long NFL career. So congrats, congrats
Speaker 2: to all those guys, real quick before we get back
Speaker 2: into the shit or Sanders thing. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was just me that noticed it. I highly doubt
Speaker 2: it was just me, but Nick Saban was freaking amazing
Speaker 2: on the NFL draft coverage. I could. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: not like sometimes when people talk, you know, they get
Speaker 2: into the weeds talking ball about football. Sometimes it goes
Speaker 2: a little bit over my head. But like Nick Saban,
Speaker 2: I could listen to him talk about NFL draft picks
Speaker 2: all day. I don't know what it is about him.
Speaker 2: Clearly he knows a lot about NFL or he knows
Speaker 2: a lot about football. He's Nick freaking Saban. But to me,
Speaker 2: his analysis stood out more than others. And it's probably
Speaker 2: just because you know, I realize this is a that Yeah,
Speaker 2: we know he knows what he's talking about, not to
Speaker 2: say the others that are in that situation that are
Speaker 2: part of draft coverage for different networks. But man, I
Speaker 2: could listen to him talk all day and he was
Speaker 2: really really gassing up Tyler Shuck. And that five minute
Speaker 2: that five minutes or so that they spent talking about
Speaker 2: Tyler Shuck after he got drafted by the Saints and
Speaker 2: talking about how, you know, playing in a Jeff Brown
Speaker 2: pro style offense will really really benefit him. And when
Speaker 2: they were talking about reasons that this was a good
Speaker 2: pick and why it could work out, not once, not twice,
Speaker 2: but at least three times, they would throw in will
Speaker 2: he played for Jeff Brohm, And I'm just thinking, man,
Speaker 2: that is invaluable when it comes to the pr the
Speaker 2: promo you're getting, because shuck to me if he has
Speaker 2: six I mean, even he didn't have success in the NFL,
Speaker 2: I hate to act like Tyler didn't earn it and
Speaker 2: deserve it because he had bad luck, had bad injuries,
Speaker 2: and it'd be hard for a lot of guys to,
Speaker 2: I think, not lose confidence when that happens, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: he had a four year, five year career that was
Speaker 2: just the story was in he couldn't stay healthy, never
Speaker 2: finished a season healthy, So you know he comes to
Speaker 2: Louisville mature, clearly has the talent. Jeff put him in
Speaker 2: a situ in a situation where he was going to
Speaker 2: be healthy, and clearly he was able to really showcase
Speaker 2: what he can do. And he was really an unheard
Speaker 2: of name when he committed to Louisville last year. Now
Speaker 2: he's the third quarterback taken in the draft. So I
Speaker 2: hate Dak like Tyler didn't deserve a lot of the credit,
Speaker 2: because he deserves every bit of credit and praise that
Speaker 2: he gets. But like Jeff can absolutely take advantage of
Speaker 2: this and say, look, if you've got the talent, come
Speaker 2: play for me. I'm gonna put you in a system
Speaker 2: where you're gonna shine, and the NFL is going to
Speaker 2: see that you can run an offense for him. So
Speaker 2: I think, not only a great day for all those
Speaker 2: guys who heard their name called, but the more representation
Speaker 2: you have in the NFL draft can only help you
Speaker 2: get more players that want to want to come and
Speaker 2: play for you. Now back to Shehdorg Sanders. For those
Speaker 2: who weren't with us early in the show, I just
Speaker 2: I mean when you consider everything as far as how
Speaker 2: it was hand by Shad or Dion, I mean to
Speaker 2: be that was not surprising at all, and also the
Speaker 2: way the NFL decided to react to it not surprising
Speaker 2: at all either, because the NFL is going to be
Speaker 2: just fine without Shad or Sanders. I mean, there's a lot,
Speaker 2: a lot to deal with there when it comes to
Speaker 2: the arrogance and the entitlement him clearly going through the
Speaker 2: process leading up to the draft as if the teams
Speaker 2: need to sell themselves to him rather than it being
Speaker 2: the other way around. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: there's many players that are elite that could do that
Speaker 2: in it not come back to bite them, meaning like
Speaker 2: the NFL will say, yeah, you're talented, but we'll be
Speaker 2: fine without you. And I don't think it was, you know, collusion.
Speaker 2: I just think he wasn't that special to where you
Speaker 2: would take a risk, you would invest in somebody who
Speaker 2: is making it clear that like you know, like like
Speaker 2: he's hiring you, like he's going to let you as
Speaker 2: a franchise use his services, instead of like, hey, we've
Speaker 2: got an opportunity for you we would like to draft.
Speaker 2: Like it's just it's again. Here's here's about a two
Speaker 2: minute clip from Tom Pelsero, and I feel like, again,
Speaker 2: if you hear this from the Sanders side of things,
Speaker 2: none of it will surprise you. And if you hear
Speaker 2: how the NFL decided to react to it, none of
Speaker 2: it should surprise you at all.
Speaker 4: Mike, it was not a shock within the NFL and
Speaker 4: team buildings when Shador Sanders did not go in the
Speaker 4: first round. I would fairly tell you it is a
Speaker 4: surprise that he is still on the board at the
Speaker 4: start of day three. Philosophically, some teams feel like you're
Speaker 4: drafted at the quarterback position, specifically, if you think you
Speaker 4: got a starter, you take him in round one. If
Speaker 4: you're drafting somebody to be your backup, you don't want
Speaker 4: to do that until day three. I spoke last night
Speaker 4: with one general manager who is considering taking Shador Sanders today.
Speaker 4: He pointed back all the way to March twenty twenty
Speaker 4: four and something that Chador's father, Dion Sanders said on
Speaker 4: a podcast talking about Bulls Shadur and Travis Hunter, saying
Speaker 4: that if they are drafted by a team that they
Speaker 4: don't want to go to, he's going to step in
Speaker 4: and pull an eli, meaning force those players to not
Speaker 4: actually go to that team and try to get them traded.
Speaker 4: Throughout the pre draft process, Shador Sanders very much proceeded
Speaker 4: as if he was dictating to clubs where he was
Speaker 4: going to go, rather than how the draft works, which
Speaker 4: is the other way around. And there were a bunch
Speaker 4: of opportunities missed at the various checkpoints through that pre
Speaker 4: draft process, go all the way back to All Star season.
Speaker 4: Instead of going to the Senior Bowl, he went to
Speaker 4: the East West Shrine Bowl in his backyard in Dallas.
Speaker 4: Despite an NFL memo saying if you go to these
Speaker 4: All Star games, you have to practice, Shadur chose not to.
Speaker 4: At the combine, it has now well documented some of
Speaker 4: his formal interviews did not go well. One assistant coach
Speaker 4: told me, in all his years, it was the worst
Speaker 4: formal interview he'd ever been through. People said that Chador
Speaker 4: was trying to dictate how he wanted things to go
Speaker 4: and made them feel small. Even at the Pro Dame,
Speaker 4: the entire Big Twelve have an event in Dallas. Chaduur
Speaker 4: was there but did not work out. He had a
Speaker 4: showcase instead in Colorado. All of which is to say,
Speaker 4: for a player who had avariety of questions both about
Speaker 4: the talent level, how we would fit into an NFL system,
Speaker 4: how he would adjust from his play style in college,
Speaker 4: but also about the potential culture shock for the first
Speaker 4: time playing for someone who is not his father. There
Speaker 4: were opportunities that Shaduur sators could have taken. There he
Speaker 4: seemed to feel as if he was in an elite
Speaker 4: category where he could choose the few teams he wanted
Speaker 4: to go to. Now, some of those very same teams
Speaker 4: that might be considering taking Shaduur today didn't get those opportunities.
Speaker 4: To answer their question, what.
Speaker 2: So when you consider all that, I mean, it really
Speaker 2: doesn't make it really isn't a surprise that things played
Speaker 2: out the way that they did. And one of the
Speaker 2: last things that was said there by Pallisero is that
Speaker 2: they think meaning Dion and I guess should or think
Speaker 2: that he's in an elite class that he's just not in.
Speaker 2: And it's not to say he's terrible and he wouldn't
Speaker 2: be worthy of any kind of any pick, but there's
Speaker 2: such a disconnect from who he actually is as a player.
Speaker 2: But even if he was substantially better, he would still
Speaker 2: have a tough time getting an NFL team to make
Speaker 2: an investment and hire him, essentially by drafting him, because
Speaker 2: of you know, they know they don't like they'll be
Speaker 2: fine without him. And what's even worse is I believe
Speaker 2: that even if Shor Sanders was substantially less accomplished, less talented,
Speaker 2: I still think he would have acted the exact same way.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just because Dion is letting his
Speaker 2: kids not just I mean one thing, to let them
Speaker 2: believe in themselves and really gass them up and tell
Speaker 2: them that you know they're great. But this is level
Speaker 2: of delusion. I think we can't blame Dion for it,
Speaker 2: I guess, But I mean, on what world would you
Speaker 2: going on a national television show saying that you will
Speaker 2: stop your son from playing for certain teams they might
Speaker 2: want to draft him. In what world will that help
Speaker 2: in any way? Quick break?
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