Speaker 1: I mean Mary's yes is one of the greatest acts
of faith in all of Scripture if you really think
about it. And she did not say yes because she
had the full roadmap, because son, my God, she did not.
She said yes because she trusted the one who called her.
And at the cross Mary watches. I mean, imagine watching
your son beaten and mocked and executed publicly. I mean,
this is not sentimental motherhood. That's pure agony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, being in her position, I mean, looking up, God,
where are you?
Speaker 3: Yet She's there with him?
Speaker 1: Right, She stays And this is one of those statements.
Speaker 3: I just have to make it.
Speaker 1: As real mothers stay even even when they cannot fix
the pain. You know, Mary stands at this this huge
collision point of prophecy and empire, bloodline, spiritual warfare.
Speaker 3: And redemption.
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returning guest. I'd like to welcome him back to the show. Man,
We've got a great conversation lined up for you. I
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Broadcasting See Ben, how are you doing, my brother?
Speaker 1: Good man?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate it. Just for those men that maybe
are nw with my channel or just kind of stumbled
upon the thumbnail artwork and clicked on it and don't
know who you are, even me. Just introduce yourself a
little bit litteral by, know who you are, what you do?
Speaker 1: Grow? Yeah, man, My name again, as Doc said, is
Bennett Tanton. I am the host and creator of Broadcasting Seeds,
which is a podcast where I explore like the strange
intersections between scripture and history and culture. High strangeness and
that seemed to keep showing up around us, right. And
my background is really a little different than most people
in the space. I'm a veteran. I work in the
defense space. People call me fed, including you, and so
I tend to look at things through a few different
lenses at once, faith, history, national security, culture, spiritual warfare especially,
and a lot of like you, pattern recognition. Right. So
I'm also an author written a few books and uh, yeah, man,
that's about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few books. I mean, you've been pumping them out.
Speaker 3: Man, well, so so that's a kind.
Speaker 1: Of a I've been writing them, some of these books
for years, so it just kind of all came to
a head and I was like, you know what, it's
time to put all this stuff out. So yeah, I've
got a pretty good collection now. But like I said,
only two of them really have been written in the
last year. And I say two, but yeah, but they're
not very big. But either way, some of the other ones,
the fiction on those were years that took. As you know,
it can take quite a while.
Speaker 2: So mmm no, yeah, which mind. It took me two
years to just plug it away in between my job
and things like that, which that's what you're having to
do even now. Man. But me, I'm finally full time.
But I just started working on my second book. But yeah,
it's a process, and I think my obsessive compulsiveness makes
it even harder because it's like I have to read
and get all my stuff together, then I have to
type it out in notes. That way it helps me
remember it, and then I combine all my puzzle pieces
and notes and then start writing the book. So it's
like I handle the material two and three times sometimes.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, it's like I find that fiction's easier
because it just I mean, you do your research right,
still you don't, but the fiction just kind of flows.
So I've been writing a lot of that lately, a
lot of like historical fiction.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and have you looked into actually look at
this app because all my fictional writers out there, you
need to check it out. Pocket FM. I got hooked
onto an audible series through TikTok once and I'm like, man,
I got it and it showed like an app of
them telling this story. It had AI images and stuff,
and I got hooked into the story and I'm like, dude,
I want to hear the rest of this. And I said, oh,
click this and download this free app, you know, to
listen to the rest of the story. Well, yeah, the
app was free, but then you have to buy tokens.
You only get you know, thirty minutes free a day,
and then you have to pay tokens to keep listening.
And of course you see, you know, one hundred and
something odd episodes of this series or book you're wanting
to listen to, of course you're going to pay to
hear it. And that's how they got me. But I
was like, man, I could make a kill and if
I had a good fictional series and could put it
on an app like that, so check into that.
Speaker 3: Well for sure, and yeah, absolutely, that seems cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well today, man, I'll guess I'll let you introduce
the topic. And because I actually stumbled across it on
your channel and I'm like, dude, that's awesome. Like I
said in the beginning, that's something I wanted to talk about,
but I've seen you had already done it. I'm like, sweet,
I'll just bring Ben and own and he can lay
out all his stuff and I can throw in some
commentary if need be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: So I did a Mother's Day episode which was it's
mothers in the Bible, but really it's about women in
the Bible, right, And I think what It really comes
down to people have to understand this.
Speaker 3: I think for so long people look at.
Speaker 1: Women in the Bible as as as they're just background characters.
Speaker 3: Obviously you have a few.
Speaker 1: That come to the forefront, right off the bat, right,
but they're often standing at like the center of the
story when God is preserved, is preserving promise and protecting bloodlines.
And I mean they're the mothers of everyone, right, So
I think that they carry a lot of the Bible
and people. You know, when you read scripture through a
pattern recognition lens, right, women repeatedly appear at key turning
points in the Bible story. They're connected to promise and
seed in the bloodline, covenant, spiritual warfare, redemption, deception, judgment, survival,
and restoration, all of it. Right, So the Bible does
not present women as decorative side characters. It presents them
as characters of promise and you know, the mother's witnesses
to truth, like think about Mary, think about Jesus on
the cross. His mother stood there and watched that, you know,
and some of these points sometimes the hinge points of
redemptive history. So I think it's a huge I mean
that people will be like, oh, it's the patriarchy, right,
But at the end of the day, I think just
it's the way people read read the Bible that and
they don't focus necessarily on the women. But I'm the
father of four daughters, plus I've been married to my
wife for twenty two years, and so I have you know,
and I'm a son of a mother, so I kind
of have an affinity for women, So.
Speaker 5: Don't we all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what kind of head headed me down this road.
So I mean, so I have myself muted.
Speaker 2: Sorry, oh god, I trying to make a little funny joke.
I was like, yeah, I like the women's but I
started marking, so I had to mute my mic and
I was muted, and I was like, I like the women's.
Speaker 1: Yes, suret same. So yeah, man, I just think a
lot of times they get a bad.
Speaker 3: Name, right, or no name at all, or no name
at all, But they are central characters of the Bible.
Speaker 2: Which you had mentioned key turning points that the women
are featured in. You care to go through some of
those and what's your opinions on some of those?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So, like, I mean, you start with Eve right right, not?
You know, pretty quickly here in Genesis and Eve was
the first well, I mean there's debate around that, but
the first woman in the Bible, right, the first mother,
the first she witnessed, the first loss, and the first promise. Right,
So talk about talk about turning points. But she's often
reduced to the woman who ate the fruit or you know,
I know, I know, the serpent seed, little thing.
Speaker 2: But I'll be good, I'll just sit back.
Speaker 1: No, no, this is just not you know, it's one
of those things. Was like she she did something wrong, obviously, right,
But frankly, that's a flat reading. She was also the
first woman. She was the first wife, the first mother,
the first human to carry life in her body, which
is also debatable if you think about nod.
Speaker 3: Right, but again we're not going to go through all.
Speaker 2: And mother of in the Bible, good line.
Speaker 3: Of the good line.
Speaker 1: Correct. She was also the first woman, the first mother
to lose a child, and the first woman connected to
the promise of redemption. And Genesis three is not only
about the fall, it is also about the first Gospel promise.
And you know, God says there will be nimity between
the serpent and the woman, between his seed and her seed,
and that her seed will crush the serpent's head. So
that phrase her seed is usually it's unusual because biblical
genealogy is normally emphasized mail lineage. Yet the first promise
of redemption is tied to the woman. So I think
that's a good point. So this introduces introduces a cosmic
conflict over seed, bloodline, offspring, and just generations. Right from
from that point forward, the Bible becomes a war over
the promised line. Doesn't get anywhere craziness than that.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the one thing too that honestly bothered me,
and I'll switch screens here. Hang on, there we go.
The main reason I wanted to do is show, and
it was actually years ago, and I have I'm old school.
You asked, being at well all the time we do
scheduling for shows and stuff. I'm like, let me check
my calendar. I'm not talking about a calendar. I'm talking
about a real book with handwritten stuff in it. That's
just how I am. But I have a book just
full of show ideas, like over the years. If I
have a show idea of boom, I either put up
my notes on my phone if I'm not at home,
or I pull out my notebook and write them all
in there.
Speaker 3: And it was actually thirty of these.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and so that was one of them I'd
written down many years ago and it kind of just
got lost in the sauce. But when I seen you
had done one, it got me excited. It sparked my memory.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I wanted to do one like that.
But I was coming from the angle of and anybody
follows my show knows I'm not a liberal. I'm not
a you know, down with the patriarchy, you know, but
I'm a truth Yeah. I try to go after the truth,
even if it's uncomfortable to me. And one thing that
I kind of noticed, especially through historic studies, is that
it was originally like a matriarchal society back.
Speaker 4: In the day.
Speaker 2: The women rule. The women are the ones that gave
birth and chose kings and yeah, you know, enthroned kings
and dethroned kings. Especially with the research from my new
book that I'm working on, the Dragon Court, and to me,
it seems as though, which me back up, before I
even read all that stuff, I would read the Bible,
and I grew up Southern Baptists, so I was always told,
you know, the women are to be silent, they don't
speak unless spoken to in the church. They have no
say in finances, they can't teach, they can't prophesy, they
can't do nothing. I mean, they're just supposed to be
quiet and sit there. And they're told that if they
have a question, they're to bring it to their husband,
and then their husband takes it to the pastor. And
if the woman doesn't have a husband, she has to
go to her nearest of ken in the church, and
then they are approaching elder. And when I get to
the New Testament, I see those few verses in the
New Testament, but the only one that I've seen is
kind of like, you know, telling the women to you know,
not speak in church, and that kind of thing, that
the preacher must be a husband to one wife, you know,
and that kind of thing. But then I got to
the Old Testament, it was like they were prophetesses, they
were judges, they were leaders of armies and warriors. God
Jesus chose women to be in his discipleship. Women were
the first ones he appeared to, you know, all these
types of things, and to me it was kind of contradictory,
and I was like dude, I want to do a
show and show people how important women were in the
Old Testament. Why all of a sudden in the New
Testament has their role in the Kingdom of God changed?
Is that because of mankind and the papacy? And I
think so, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's wild.
Speaker 1: I really do look at like, like my connection as
part of this too. As we talk about women, and
if you think about I mean, yes, men are protectors, right,
but so are women, right and and like so you
look at it at a modern connection with the Bible,
and this is the the battle over the next generation.
It did not begin with modern politics and schools and
media talking about you know, liberal ideas, right or or algorithms.
Scripture shows that the battle over children, family and identity
is ancient. And as we see now just as much
as back then, the enemy attacks the next generation, right,
And I mean, and then if you go back to
Biblical times, you think of Pharaoh and Herod and this
war on children. There is a re occurring Bible pattern.
When a deliverer is coming, children become targets. And who
is the initial protector of all of them? I mean
Pharaoh orders Hebrew baby boys killed, right, and herod orders
the massacre of children in Bethlehem. Ancient pagan cultures sacrifice
children to false gods, and that kind of seems like
it's happening now, right. Revelation twelve gives imagery of the
dragon pursuing the woman and the child. Scripture repeatedly presents
the next generation as a battlefield, and whether people interpret
the spiritually, culturally, or like prophetically, the pattern is hard
to miss. And systems of power often seek control over
children because whoever shaped children shape the future right. Darkness
often ties tries to destroy promise before it matures. And
today the battle is not always soldiers at the door.
It's often digital or ideological and cultural.
Speaker 3: I mean, our.
Speaker 1: Education systems pretty freaking wacky at this point, pharmaceuticals and psychology.
Everyone everyone wants access. Everyone wants access to the chill
child's imagination and their identity and values and worldview. Mothers
preserve those those things there. They are the front lines
in this battle.
Speaker 3: Right. Yes, the man is there too, but who's usually
with the child?
Speaker 1: And this is a problem with an I'll probably catch
a lot of crap for it, but I don't care.
This is part of the issue with modern day feminism, right,
modern day feminism is the women you literally were shipping
our kids off to.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get all political in
this eisend it's about. But but you know what I'm saying, Yeah,
if we're shipping them to other people to raise them,
then the mothers who are the front lines of this
battle are they're not.
Speaker 3: They're they're doing other things. They're at work, or they're whatever.
So I know that's a little controversial, but.
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think it is. It's all part
of the plan. Uh. And I tell people it's it's
the Grand Conspiracy, you know. Uh, we're so busy, like
for instance, I know this is a little bit of
side tangent. We'll get back on the mothers, but it's
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