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had the full roadmap, because son, my God, she did not.

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Speaker 1: As real mothers stay even even when they cannot fix

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the pain. You know, Mary stands at this this huge

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out so so very much. Man, guys, looking forward to

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this one. This is a brother from another mother had

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him on the show. A couple of times. Been on

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his show a couple of times, so this is a

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returning guest. I'd like to welcome him back to the show. Man,

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We've got a great conversation lined up for you. I

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seen him talk about this on his show and I

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was like, dude, I want to talk about this subject anyway,

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just have a discussion. But man, I have to welcome

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back to the show my brother Ben at Tanton from

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Broadcasting See Ben, how are you doing, my brother?

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Speaker 1: Good man?

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 2: Man, I appreciate it. Just for those men that maybe

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are nw with my channel or just kind of stumbled

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know who you are, even me. Just introduce yourself a

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little bit litteral by, know who you are, what you do?

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Speaker 1: Grow? Yeah, man, My name again, as Doc said, is

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Bennett Tanton. I am the host and creator of Broadcasting Seeds,

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which is a podcast where I explore like the strange

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intersections between scripture and history and culture. High strangeness and

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that seemed to keep showing up around us, right. And

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my background is really a little different than most people

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in the space. I'm a veteran. I work in the

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defense space. People call me fed, including you, and so

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I tend to look at things through a few different

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lenses at once, faith, history, national security, culture, spiritual warfare especially,

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and a lot of like you, pattern recognition. Right. So

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I'm also an author written a few books and uh, yeah, man,

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the fiction on those were years that took. As you know,

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this app because all my fictional writers out there, you

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but I've seen you had already done it. I'm like, sweet,

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but they're often standing at like the center of the

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story when God is preserved, is preserving promise and protecting bloodlines.

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pattern recognition lens, right, women repeatedly appear at key turning

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points in the Bible story. They're connected to promise and

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seed in the bloodline, covenant, spiritual warfare, redemption, deception, judgment, survival,

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and restoration, all of it. Right, So the Bible does

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as characters of promise and you know, the mother's witnesses

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to truth, like think about Mary, think about Jesus on

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the cross. His mother stood there and watched that, you know,

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they don't focus necessarily on the women. But I'm the

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father of four daughters, plus I've been married to my

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wife for twenty two years, and so I have you know,

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Speaker 5: Don't we all.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what kind of head headed me down this road.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So, like, I mean, you start with Eve right right, not?

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the first woman in the Bible, right, the first mother,

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the first she witnessed, the first loss, and the first promise. Right,

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reduced to the woman who ate the fruit or you know,

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I know, I know, the serpent seed, little thing.

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Speaker 1: No, no, this is just not you know, it's one

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of those things. Was like she she did something wrong, obviously, right,

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the first human to carry life in her body, which

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Speaker 2: And mother of in the Bible, good line.

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Speaker 3: Of the good line.

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to lose a child, and the first woman connected to

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the promise of redemption. And Genesis three is not only

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the serpent and the woman, between his seed and her seed,

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and that her seed will crush the serpent's head. So

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that phrase her seed is usually it's unusual because biblical

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genealogy is normally emphasized mail lineage. Yet the first promise

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of redemption is tied to the woman. So I think

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that's a good point. So this introduces introduces a cosmic

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conflict over seed, bloodline, offspring, and just generations. Right from

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the promised line. Doesn't get anywhere craziness than that.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the one thing too that honestly bothered me,

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You asked, being at well all the time we do

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scheduling for shows and stuff. I'm like, let me check

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about a real book with handwritten stuff in it. That's

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just how I am. But I have a book just

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I'm like, oh, yeah, I wanted to do one like that.

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But I was coming from the angle of and anybody

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follows my show knows I'm not a liberal. I'm not

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a you know, down with the patriarchy, you know, but

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I'm a truth Yeah. I try to go after the truth,

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even if it's uncomfortable to me. And one thing that

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it was originally like a matriarchal society back.

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Speaker 4: In the day.

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Speaker 2: The women rule. The women are the ones that gave

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birth and chose kings and yeah, you know, enthroned kings

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and dethroned kings. Especially with the research from my new

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book that I'm working on, the Dragon Court, and to me,

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it seems as though, which me back up, before I

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even read all that stuff, I would read the Bible,

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and I grew up Southern Baptists, so I was always told,

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you know, the women are to be silent, they don't

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speak unless spoken to in the church. They have no

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say in finances, they can't teach, they can't prophesy, they

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can't do nothing. I mean, they're just supposed to be

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quiet and sit there. And they're told that if they

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have a question, they're to bring it to their husband,

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and then their husband takes it to the pastor. And

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if the woman doesn't have a husband, she has to

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go to her nearest of ken in the church, and

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then they are approaching elder. And when I get to

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the New Testament, I see those few verses in the

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New Testament, but the only one that I've seen is

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kind of like, you know, telling the women to you know,

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not speak in church, and that kind of thing, that

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the preacher must be a husband to one wife, you know,

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and that kind of thing. But then I got to

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the Old Testament, it was like they were prophetesses, they

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were judges, they were leaders of armies and warriors. God

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Jesus chose women to be in his discipleship. Women were

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the first ones he appeared to, you know, all these

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types of things, and to me it was kind of contradictory,

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and I was like dude, I want to do a

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show and show people how important women were in the

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Old Testament. Why all of a sudden in the New

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Testament has their role in the Kingdom of God changed?

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Is that because of mankind and the papacy? And I

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think so, man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's wild.

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Speaker 1: I really do look at like, like my connection as

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part of this too. As we talk about women, and

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if you think about I mean, yes, men are protectors, right,

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but so are women, right and and like so you

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look at it at a modern connection with the Bible,

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and this is the the battle over the next generation.

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It did not begin with modern politics and schools and

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media talking about you know, liberal ideas, right or or algorithms.

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Scripture shows that the battle over children, family and identity

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is ancient. And as we see now just as much

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as back then, the enemy attacks the next generation, right,

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And I mean, and then if you go back to

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Biblical times, you think of Pharaoh and Herod and this

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war on children. There is a re occurring Bible pattern.

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When a deliverer is coming, children become targets. And who

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is the initial protector of all of them? I mean

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Pharaoh orders Hebrew baby boys killed, right, and herod orders

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the massacre of children in Bethlehem. Ancient pagan cultures sacrifice

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children to false gods, and that kind of seems like

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it's happening now, right. Revelation twelve gives imagery of the

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dragon pursuing the woman and the child. Scripture repeatedly presents

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the next generation as a battlefield, and whether people interpret

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the spiritually, culturally, or like prophetically, the pattern is hard

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to miss. And systems of power often seek control over

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children because whoever shaped children shape the future right. Darkness

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often ties tries to destroy promise before it matures. And

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today the battle is not always soldiers at the door.

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It's often digital or ideological and cultural.

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Speaker 3: I mean, our.

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Speaker 1: Education systems pretty freaking wacky at this point, pharmaceuticals and psychology.

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Everyone everyone wants access. Everyone wants access to the chill

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child's imagination and their identity and values and worldview. Mothers

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preserve those those things there. They are the front lines

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in this battle.

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Speaker 3: Right. Yes, the man is there too, but who's usually

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with the child?

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Speaker 1: And this is a problem with an I'll probably catch

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a lot of crap for it, but I don't care.

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This is part of the issue with modern day feminism, right,

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modern day feminism is the women you literally were shipping

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our kids off to.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get all political in

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this eisend it's about. But but you know what I'm saying, Yeah,

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if we're shipping them to other people to raise them,

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then the mothers who are the front lines of this

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battle are they're not.

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Speaker 3: They're they're doing other things. They're at work, or they're whatever.

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So I know that's a little controversial, but.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I think it is. It's all part

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of the plan. Uh. And I tell people it's it's

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the Grand Conspiracy, you know. Uh, we're so busy, like

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for instance, I know this is a little bit of

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side tangent. We'll get back on the mothers, but it's

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kind of correlated. Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. No, I pulled

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Speaker 5: Crowns build out of borrowed lighting, thrones, wiring in the

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fear true, the mountain walls lets circle on the air.

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Knowledge is a crime.

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Speaker 2: We will guilty from the stun. They don't fear the questions.

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Speaker 5: They fear the fuck We steal the fires, not to ruin,

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not to rain, just to see through smoke.

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Speaker 3: And mirrs and calls pace by name.

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Speaker 2: They save