WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:30.440 Welcome to the show. Be Gay Solve Crime, a production 2 00:00:30.519 --> 00:00:35.719 of lesbian chronicles. Hey Melissa, Hey, how's it going good. 3 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.679 I'm sitting here in Providence, Rhode Island, where I think 4 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:43.600 God has forgotten about abandoned us because it's still snowing, 5 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:50.240 like insane feet of snow outside my hotel. And the 6 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:54.200 reason that I'm here was for Owen's production, which got canceled. 7 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:59.679 So yeah, but anyway, I'm still really psyched to be here. 8 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:00.719 It's fine. Desease now. 9 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.439 Yeah, totally seen some some pretty cool videos. It looks 10 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:06.000 like people in New York City are kind of like 11 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:07.040 taking a little snow day. 12 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:08.120 Cool to see. 13 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:10.680 In Atlanta, we're back and forth where we were eighty 14 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.400 one degree something like that, I think now in some 15 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:15.280 places and now it. 16 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:16.200 Was cold when I left. 17 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:17.959 Yeah, it's warm back up. 18 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:19.359 I went for a walk just now. 19 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.599 No jacket needed, so nice. 20 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:26.079 But yeah, ready to dive in on this case again 21 00:01:26.120 --> 00:01:29.200 with Katie Janis's murder that happened back in twenty twenty one. 22 00:01:29.799 --> 00:01:32.480 It's been interesting, you know, the more that episodes that 23 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.599 we record and the more that we read on this, 24 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:36.840 it's like there's just little corners of the Internet that 25 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:38.000 you don't even know about that. 26 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:39.079 How different. 27 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.280 I mean, I want to say facts, but we all 28 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:45.000 know the internet's full of fictional tales, so who knows 29 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.560 what's real again, you know. I just want to say 30 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.079 that our mission in doing this podcast is just to 31 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.439 bring more attention to this case because we as Atlanta 32 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.760 residents and members of the LGBTQ community, we feel like 33 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:01.920 it's been kind of overlooked. So that's that's our mission here, yes, And. 34 00:02:01.879 --> 00:02:05.040 We're so so fortunate to have Vincent val Squez come 35 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:07.439 join us from The Murder Mind, which I happened to 36 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:10.680 be a fan. So when I reached out to Vincent, 37 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:13.240 I thought this is a total long shot, and actually 38 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:16.319 I was already a listener. And then Melissa you sent 39 00:02:16.400 --> 00:02:18.199 me and said, just try to get this guy. You 40 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:22.280 probably can't, and I just threw a line and I 41 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.800 was so thankful that you've responded. Vince, Welcome to the. 42 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:27.479 Show, Thank you, thank you for having me. 43 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.439 And I got to tell your show is incredible, Like 44 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.840 I love the energy that you two have, like it's 45 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.719 just it. When I first listened to it, it's like 46 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:38.599 it feels like you're at home at a table breaking bread, 47 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:42.879 having coffee and just chatty. Like it's not it's not pretentious. 48 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:47.280 It's just really casual and calm and cool, like feel 49 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:48.719 like I don't know you guys, but I feel like 50 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:49.159 I know you. 51 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:50.879 Congratulations. 52 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.759 I appreciate that. That's kind of was when we started 53 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:56.120 Lesbian Chronicles. We were like, we wanted to feel like 54 00:02:56.680 --> 00:02:58.400 we're sitting at dinner with friends. 55 00:02:58.719 --> 00:03:01.199 That's safe space that everybody needs and it's you know, 56 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:03.080 scary everywhere else. 57 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:05.919 I mean, when you know, you think about it, you 58 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:09.360 you listen to some podcasts or even watch the news 59 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.240 and TV shows and it's just so structured. 60 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.840 It's just so mechanical. 61 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.800 And what I really enjoy when I listen to podcasts 62 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.080 and and you know, it doesn't have to be true crime. 63 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.599 I listened to a million podcasts like This American Life, 64 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:28.560 just about issues that Americans have in this country. Uh, 65 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:32.599 And I really enjoy when the hosts are just very 66 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.240 real people, you know. And that's one thing I really 67 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:38.840 like about your show because it's relatable, you know. It's 68 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:41.919 like you know again, it's like then they sound like me, 69 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.000 you know, like I talk like that, you know, I 70 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.080 just say what's up my mind? And I you know 71 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:49.560 flubb words sometimes and we're human, you know, so I'm 72 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.960 not really you know, And that's how my podcast is. 73 00:03:51.960 --> 00:03:55.120 My podcast is just me and God. If you saw 74 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:57.400 the outtakes, you know, some of it we can't air. 75 00:03:57.479 --> 00:04:00.800 But like I can't say that, I can't say that. 76 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:01.919 We know all about that one. 77 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.159 Yeah, for sure, it's true. Well, Vince, how did you 78 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:08.560 get into I know you're a retired homicide detective times 79 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.840 seventeen years? Did you tell me? 80 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:12.479 Yeah? 81 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.839 Yeah, I was twenty two years with Atlanta PD. Of 82 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:19.920 those twenty two I was in homicide as a detective 83 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:21.920 for seventeen years before I retired. 84 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:25.439 Yeah, I told Vince, he looks too young to already 85 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:26.000 be retired. 86 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.040 I wasn't say like, yeah, please start when you were seven? 87 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.360 Well, thank you, thank you, you were seven, thank you? 88 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:36.879 Okay, So then you what got you into Murder Mind? 89 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.920 Well, Murder Mine is this iteration of other shows that 90 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.720 I've done. So while I was working homicide, first forty 91 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.120 eight arrived in Atlanta and they were with us for 92 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.959 a number of years, So I had the pleasure to 93 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.560 have that opportunity to you know, be part of that team. 94 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:55.519 On First forty eight. 95 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:57.240 It was a little. 96 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.720 You know, it was kind of a nerving at first 97 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.240 to have cameras following you around, but again, I'm just 98 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.879 me and again that's who I was. So that was 99 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.480 my you know, my first kind of intro to like 100 00:05:08.639 --> 00:05:14.079 national TV exposure. Once I retired, my partner and I 101 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.480 and Homicide. We had some contacts over the years working 102 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.279 on other shows like Cold Case Files Americas most wanted, 103 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:24.839 so we decided, you know, let's see if we can 104 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:28.680 have a show of our own. Long story short, we 105 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.439 you know, got with an old producer. We kind of 106 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.040 formed a team. We filmed the sizzle reel in my 107 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:39.439 living room. We started shopping it around and as fate 108 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.959 would have it, TV one network came in, you know hot, 109 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:47.040 they were like, we want you guys, and our first 110 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.120 contract with TV one, they wanted. 111 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.079 Twelve episodes off the bat, So. 112 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:54.600 From that we ended up having four seasons and total 113 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:58.439 we had about sixty plus episodes of our cases telling 114 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:02.240 our cases. From that, we went into a spinoff show 115 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.399 called Deadly Case File, same network, TV one. We did 116 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:08.959 one season of that for fifteen episodes, and you know, 117 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:13.319 true crime space is very fickle. We were very fortunate 118 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.839 the last four seasons with one show with the other. 119 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.680 So after that, my producer and I formed a company, 120 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.600 a production company where we're not just trying to tell 121 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.480 stories from my perspective, but we're also looking at other projects, 122 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.480 media projects. So we had the brainch out of creating 123 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.519 a show called Murder Mind, which is me telling my stories, 124 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.079 but we're doing it on YouTube and long format. So 125 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:39.240 the shows that we had on the networks were all 126 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:42.439 forty two minutes. It's an hour show. Forty two minutes 127 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.319 are the actual case. The rest are commercials. So imagine 128 00:06:45.319 --> 00:06:48.839 trying to explain a complex homicide. It lasted two years 129 00:06:48.839 --> 00:06:52.920 an investigation in forty two minutes. The Murder Mind shows different. 130 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:56.639 We're spreading this out over eight to ten episodes where 131 00:06:56.680 --> 00:07:00.399 you get everything, you get all the details to bring 132 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:05.199 one hundred percent yeah, showing the real interviews of full interrogations, 133 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:08.519 and we're bringing the viewers along with us, almost as 134 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:10.040 if they were my partner. 135 00:07:09.680 --> 00:07:11.680 On the case. Right. It's incredible. 136 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:14.000 The comments are like, oh, check the phone records and 137 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:17.439 you know. So that's the engagement that we are so 138 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.199 wanted to do, and so far we've been successful. We 139 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.480 launched in July and we're discontinuing to grow. We're very 140 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:24.160 happy about that. 141 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.920 I have to say Evince that, like, as I listen 142 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:30.319 to your show, it's like, right, like, for instance, the 143 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.839 one I'm listening to right now, you're like, okay, and 144 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:34.959 now I'm going to interview the neighbor, and I'm like, 145 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:37.040 oh my god, I get to hear the actual neighbor, 146 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.720 like and so it is like you're in the living 147 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.480 room of these potential suspects, hearing the questions and then 148 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:49.279 hearing their voice answer. It's just like, I don't. It 149 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.439 is captivating because you'll listen to the preamble and then 150 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.279 you get to meet the person because of your job. 151 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:58.720 But basically so I thought that was so cool. 152 00:07:59.079 --> 00:07:59.399 Thank you. 153 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.399 Yeah, we really want to make sure that the viewers 154 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.439 and we have an accompanying podcasts as well on all 155 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:07.560 podcast platforms. 156 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:09.240 So we want to make sure our listeners and our 157 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.480 viewers get that full experience. 158 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:13.800 Because when you hear me tell a case and you 159 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:17.279 hear me start talking about what I did, and then 160 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:20.800 we flash back to where you hear me actually interviewing somebody, 161 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:25.000 that's an iteration of me that is different, that's me 162 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:26.000 in detective mode. 163 00:08:26.040 --> 00:08:28.639 So you actually get to see and hear me. 164 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.200 How I would act as the detective. Now when I'm 165 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:34.799 telling you what I did is different, but when you're 166 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:39.360 actually hearing me in the moment, it's a version of myself. 167 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.240 But it's me, but it's not me, you know, I 168 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:43.840 know what I have to do. When I go in here, 169 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.600 I start to pick up on these subtle clues perhaps deception. 170 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.639 I start shifting my tone, perhaps I mean, my inflection 171 00:08:51.720 --> 00:08:54.120 goes up and down, and you see all those things 172 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:57.759 you see on TV dramas where detectives, you know, really 173 00:08:57.759 --> 00:09:00.000 have to like basically be a chameleon. 174 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.960 You have to really adapt to that situation. 175 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:06.080 So I think the viewers really enjoy that listening to 176 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:08.200 that real time at real time investigation. 177 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:12.159 You know, first and foremost, you're interviewing a grieving widow 178 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:16.440 who is also could be a suspect, but it's just 179 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:19.879 like you have to go into it with she's not 180 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.480 guilty yet and maybe it never will be. But hearing 181 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:27.399 that was it's interesting. I can't turn it off, Like 182 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.159 I'm fascinated. I love true crime, but I think your 183 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.120 show is really good. 184 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:32.879 Thank you. I appreciate that. 185 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:36.919 So diving into the Katie Janis case that happened here 186 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:41.120 in Atlanta in July twenty twenty one. Were you still 187 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.000 a detective at that time or had you retired at 188 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:44.399 that point. 189 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.320 I had retired, So I retired in twenty seventeen. 190 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:51.480 And I was shocked, as most of our community was 191 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:55.440 when I saw that on the news, And of course, 192 00:09:56.759 --> 00:09:58.639 all the wheels in my head were spinning when I 193 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.919 saw the case. You know, I'm thinking, you know, checklist, 194 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.559 what did they do this? Did they did they do that? 195 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:10.000 And honestly, this case really, you know, even for me, 196 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:11.080 it was a little shocking. 197 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:13.879 It was just it was so bizarre, It was. 198 00:10:13.879 --> 00:10:18.919 So out of the norm, it was so egregious, it 199 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.759 was it was just so horrific. 200 00:10:21.639 --> 00:10:23.080 It really one. 201 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.919 I know, it shocked the public conscience, but to shock me, 202 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.720 you know, and I listen, I've stood over hundreds of 203 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.759 you know, homicide victims. You know, I hate to say that, 204 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.720 and I am somewhat desensitized, but I had a visceral 205 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:42.039 moment with that, right and I can only imagine, and 206 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:44.279 I can only imagine someone who's not in this space 207 00:10:44.519 --> 00:10:45.279 what they felt. 208 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.240 And the gay community, I mean, we felt, you know, 209 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:52.960 at that time period Midtown, the gay bars, like it 210 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.000 was such a part of the fabric of the gay community, 211 00:10:56.440 --> 00:11:01.559 Piedmont Park, Henry's, you know, like these bars that we 212 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.279 all frequent, and then to have this happen, I think 213 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.840 for our community was like, I mean, everyone immediately goes 214 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.679 to hate crime, but then as it kind of progressed, 215 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.200 I don't know that that's the case. I don't know, 216 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:15.039 what do you think? 217 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.559 Yeah, I can imagine, you know, for a community that 218 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.519 has had challenges, you know, there's people who their ideology 219 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:26.360 doesn't align with that and they are proactive in disrupting that. 220 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:31.960 So I can imagine people in the gay community automatically 221 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:36.200 going Okay, you have to assume or at least consider 222 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.399 that it could be a hate crime. You know, that 223 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.799 affects your community in a way that you know, I 224 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:45.279 wouldn't understand. I'm heterosexual, but as a human right, the 225 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:48.440 loss of life is just as tragic. When I started 226 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.360 to really start looking at this case and wondering, you know, 227 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:56.519 what would I do all the considerations that certainly would 228 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.600 be at the top of the list. Is there someone 229 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:01.279 out there targeting the gay community. 230 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:06.159 If that is the case, then that may be easier 231 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:06.879 to solve. 232 00:12:07.000 --> 00:12:09.679 There could be an avenue there where or path that 233 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.879 an investigation can go down, but all the you know, 234 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:16.519 everything's on the table, all considerations are there. If it's 235 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.399 not that, if it is personal, where it's rage and 236 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:26.240 it's emotion involved, and then the other possibility is just random, 237 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:31.279 where there's someone who's has this psychosis about them that 238 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:36.320 you know, irrespective of the gender, irrespective of the sexual orientation, 239 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:41.200 they want to commit this harm on somebody. And with 240 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.279 all of those considerations, that really opens up the suspect 241 00:12:45.320 --> 00:12:49.080 pool is such a broad arena that it can be 242 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:52.559 insurmountable to think, how how are we going to solve this? 243 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:54.240 Right? 244 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.720 Because it does feel like that, I mean, if it 245 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:00.320 was like a random I mean, that is always kind 246 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:02.240 of what I thought is it's just someone lost their 247 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:05.320 mind in the park and did this thing. But it 248 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.799 was so egregious, and it just seems like if you're 249 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.720 that crazy, you would have left a lot more evidence. 250 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.320 It was random, and you just suddenly lost it in 251 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.600 this rage, Like I would think someone in that case 252 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:23.000 would have made a mistake in some sort evidence behind. 253 00:13:23.279 --> 00:13:25.159 And maybe you can. 254 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:27.360 Speak to this. This has been a question that Ali 255 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:31.039 and I have had is you know, when when a 256 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:33.399 case like this is under investigation, I know that some 257 00:13:33.480 --> 00:13:37.879 information is withheld to kind of protect that investigation. Could 258 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:40.000 that be the case here as to why we're not 259 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:43.879 hearing things? You know, we always bring up the ninth 260 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.919 sheath that was left behind in the Idaho four case, Like, 261 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:50.559 if there's something like that that maybe they do have, 262 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.200 they're just not releasing to that to the public. Is 263 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.159 that something that's kind of traditionally done by the police. 264 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:59.600 I think in this particular case, if there was something 265 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.000 and item like that at this point where we don't 266 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.080 really see the needle moving in the investigation, I would 267 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.840 imagine that if the police had something like that, they 268 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.720 would have released that. They would want the public's help. 269 00:14:13.440 --> 00:14:16.480 An item that was left behind, it's distinctive to put 270 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.480 that out there. Can use the Nancy Guthrie case where 271 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:23.600 you know the surveillance video Nancy Guthrie from Arizona. I 272 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:27.120 think if the Atlanta Police Department had something like that, 273 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:27.879 by now we. 274 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:30.279 Would see that because they need the public help. 275 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:33.519 There was DNA on an item left behind, you know, 276 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:36.679 and let me just explain the DNA piece of this thing. 277 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:42.679 So your listeners can understand the possibilities with DNA. So 278 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:46.399 we have a national database of DNA and the state 279 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:51.799 has a database, and that database is for offenders, especially 280 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:54.600 in Georgia in most states, that have been convicted and 281 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:55.399 went to prison. 282 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:57.039 That's when they get swabbed. 283 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:00.879 So if you're arrested in this state, you're not swab 284 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.600 for DNA. So all of those people, and there are 285 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:08.320 way more people who have been arrested that didn't get 286 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:11.879 convicted or were convicted and didn't serve time in prison 287 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.639 just the county jail, they're not going to have We're 288 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:17.080 not going to have their DNA. 289 00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:17.600 In the database. 290 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:21.519 So if they had a DNA profile, if they do 291 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:24.879 at this point, and they ran it through what's. 292 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:27.000 Called CODIS, which is the local. 293 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:30.559 And national database, and there's no hit, then you still 294 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:33.639 have to develop a suspect and then do a one 295 00:15:33.679 --> 00:15:37.919 on one comparison to say that's the person that may very. 296 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.120 Well be the case here. 297 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.200 I've read that there was, you know, consideration that the 298 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.759 dog Bowie may have bitten the perpetrator. 299 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:49.559 Great possibility. We all assume our dogs will want. 300 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:53.320 To protect us, so that's reasonable if they have a 301 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.080 partial profile or a full profile and they don't have 302 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.120 a suspect right now. That's not doing us any good. 303 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.159 We can't compare that to anybody. We don't know who 304 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.440 it is. So that's one piece. If there is anything 305 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:09.679 that they're withholding right now, it could be something sensitive that. 306 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:12.279 You know, we don't want. 307 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:16.279 Police don't want people calling in with information that they 308 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.639 get from the media. They have been false confessions or 309 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.200 people who want notoriety. It could be something like that, 310 00:16:23.559 --> 00:16:25.279 and it could be something that they have to keep 311 00:16:25.320 --> 00:16:26.679 close to the chest because. 312 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.679 It's something only the killer would know. 313 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:32.799 Therefore, if we put it out there and they identify 314 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:36.320 a suspect and you know there's some type of nexus 315 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.399 between that piece of evidence and the suspect, they've already 316 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:40.200 got that information. 317 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:41.639 So they got to be real careful. 318 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.919 So when I'm interviewing somebody, and you know, I ask 319 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.320 roundabout questions. If you if you listen to my show, 320 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:50.080 you know, listen to some of my interviews, I ask 321 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:51.600 a lot of open ended questions. 322 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:52.720 You know, as an. 323 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:56.840 Example, so do you drive a car or do you 324 00:16:56.840 --> 00:16:58.720 you know, take the bus, what do you do like, 325 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:02.279 let's just say mass transit is a piece of my investigation, 326 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:07.119 and the suspect says to me, I don't own a car, okay, 327 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:08.000 so how do you get around? 328 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:11.559 I take a bus? Checkbox, I've checked that off right now. 329 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:15.599 I know this person I'm interviewing has now indicated that 330 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.200 they take mass transit, and mass transit is a huge 331 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.079 piece of my puzzle. Now it doesn't mean he did it, 332 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.640 but that's just one piece, and I'm moving folding in another. 333 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.599 I'm moving folded in another direction. We don't know what 334 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:32.400 we don't know. So if the Atlanta Police Department has 335 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:36.799 something that is crucial to this investigation and they're not 336 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.640 releasing it to the public, there's a really good reason 337 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.319 for that. I don't know what that reason is right now. 338 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.759 I can only surmise, but there is a possibility that 339 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:46.519 that does exist. 340 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:48.480 Though, if you. 341 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.839 Have DNA, okay, so you can't get someone's DNA, I'm 342 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:54.000 sure it's because it's an infringement on their rights in 343 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:56.839 some way. But is it like if you know that 344 00:17:56.920 --> 00:17:59.599 someone or you think somebody is guilty, but you have 345 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.319 no way to know because they're not in Codis is 346 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.480 it like then you get the warrant to get their DNA? Like, 347 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:07.599 how do you then do it. 348 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:09.759 There's two ways you could do that. 349 00:18:09.799 --> 00:18:13.000 If you have enough probable cause to get that warrant right, 350 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.759 there's some nexus between that suspect in the crime, there's evidence, 351 00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:20.480 not enough so much to arrest them, but enough for 352 00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:21.680 a judge to sign a warrant. 353 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.559 Then you go present the warrant and you swab them. 354 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.519 The other way is surreptitious samples where you actually follow them, 355 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:32.000 and there's many cases where this has happened, in high 356 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:35.480 profile cases where they follow them to a restaurant and 357 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:37.960 they discard their straw or their fork or they leave 358 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.240 it on the table. Once you walk away from that table, 359 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.680 you have no longer had an expectation of privacy. You 360 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:47.599 can then take the fork, take the straw. A lot 361 00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:50.799 of times. You know, I did a case one time 362 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:53.640 where I had a suspect. He ended up not being 363 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.440 my suspect, but he was so hinky he wouldn't give 364 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:56.920 us DNA. 365 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:58.079 He looked like the sketch. 366 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.279 We had a you know, artist rendition of what he 367 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:02.960 looks like from a victim. 368 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:05.039 Because he killed one. 369 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.599 Girl and raped her, and then he raped another girl 370 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:10.279 so that and didn't kill her. So that young girl 371 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.680 was able to give us a sketch, would not give 372 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:15.920 us this DNA, tried to give him a bottle of water, 373 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:21.039 took it with him, acting completely bizarre, and I was 374 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.240 convinced this is my guy. So I ended up having 375 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:27.920 to do almost a week surveillance, a week long surveillance 376 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:32.640 of him at his residence. And for all accounts, we 377 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:35.839 didn't think he smoked. We asked people that knew him 378 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.000 and said he doesn't smoke. And lo and behold, like 379 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:43.319 day six of this surveillance, he leaves his house. I'm 380 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.480 filming him and he starts to smoke a cigarette and 381 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:49.039 I follow him, and I've got this old camp quarter 382 00:19:49.119 --> 00:19:52.480 and I'm trying to drive and I'm filming him and 383 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:55.480 I see him throw the cigarette butt down, So I 384 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:57.240 just get out and I'm zooming in. 385 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.559 It's still smoldering. I know I got the piece. I 386 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.000 get a pin, I put it in there, and now 387 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:03.880 I have his DNA. 388 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:08.279 Well it wasn't him, but that's that's called a surreptitious sample. 389 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:10.880 So you can do that if they had a suspect 390 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:14.079 in this particular case, and there wasn't. There wasn't enough 391 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:16.839 probable cause to get the warrant. That's one way they 392 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:17.319 could do it. 393 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:20.279 I mean it leads me to think, and I don't 394 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:24.319 want to armchair quarterback, but like with the unhoused population 395 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.720 that kind of lives in that area of Piedmont Park, 396 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:32.240 that maybe there'd be lots of opportunities to do that 397 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.279 type of collection. 398 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.480 I would think. So if they had a suspect. 399 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.480 I believe if the police had a suspect, if it 400 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.319 was me and I had a very strong suspect in 401 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:48.200