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Do you think about the Longhorn leap. BYU has stuck
a two Texas on the football field in the last
decade or so, But Texas also gotten b YU back
on the gridiron. On the hardwood, b YU has maybe
struggled against Texas. We'll get into a couple of things
as we look at the history of this BYU Texas matchup,
and we're gonna be breaking down that Texas NC State game.
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the rest of the star started cast joining us for
this Wednesday, March eighteenth edition of March Maddness edition of
Cougar Sports. Behind the Glass of Salt Lake City, the
architect up the show producing for us. Liz Welcome in
Ronald the three man Weaver. What's up, Ronnie? What up?
Speaker 1: Look? We all thought that they would play Texas. That's
who they're playing. But I'll say this though, Ben, I
was not entertained into the last five minutes. I was bored,
almost fell asleep. I was agitated by other stuff. And
then the last five minutes they made me sit up.
In the last two minutes, I got off my couch
and I went down the hallway and I said, those
are tough buckets, but that ptty much sums up the
game last night. That's the only game been last night
that I feel like you could actually watch the highlights
and it would tell you what actually happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I watched this game and you
could tell. I mean, Texas was less than efficient offensively.
NC State the first go around when they played I mean,
it was a high flying, high scoring game, right and
and and this game was the opposite of that. You
saw a lot of great, good defense, but not a
whole lot of bucket making, with a lot of misses
and you know, contested shots, yes, but missshots, missed opportunities,
and you felt that Texas probably should have won by
ten plus points. But she n C State came roaring
back man and they got some tough buckets, got to
the free throw line a couple of ones, and made
some shots in one of the best three point shooting teams,
and Texas was able to hold them off and stiff
arm him from surviving and advancing. Texas moves on. And
we had predicted here at Espen the Fan that Texas
would be the team that BA you would face the
wrong athletic, physical, and a really good team. So there
are those out there. I think dig Bitel was like
saying things like Texas could beat by you in that
next in that round of sixty four game. How are
you feeling right now? What's your level of confidence? Kugarnation,
let's broke and welcome into the show. Brett Hammer, Brett
always bringing the hammer Hammer time show. What's up, bro
I avenue nickname today. By the way, what is case?
Speaker 3: Y'all hadn't heard somebody on my YouTube said that I
He said, you kind of look like Luca. I think
it's the hair, respect, And I was like, you know what,
I do kind of play like Luca. I'm slow, I'm
not that athletic, but I'm probably bigger than I should
be for this height. So I just kind of use
my body in a way that's not super athletic, but
I have the power. And you know, for one of
the best white guys in the NBA, I think we
do kind of look similar.
Speaker 2: We do have similar hair. So I peaked. That's that
is it? That's it for me.
Speaker 1: He talked like that.
Speaker 2: You know, Luca is much more athletic than he give
him credit for. He just put on about one hundred pounds.
It's arriving in the United States of America. Dude, Me
and Luca. We both we look at it. You we
put on twenty pounds like that's just how it goes.
Cheez bigger, Che's bigger. Yeah. You and Andy Reid love
them cheese burgers. Whenever you get the dubs, whenever you
have to win. Brett always bringing the hammer by my side.
Checked out the rest of the ESPN the fan starting lineup.
We got a great show for you. We gotta start
set of cast. We're gonna be breaking down and recapping
the Texas NCU state game, so stay tuned for that.
In the nitty gritty, we'll get into Aaron Roderick comment Terry,
I believe Brandon ced Gurney's gonna be going joining us
as well, the g Man Brandonse Gurney shout out to
the g Man. He's gonna be joining us in about
the three o'clock hour and breaking down the Aaron Roderick
sound bites, Camp Koalani, et cetera. We're gonna get into
Texas men's basketball a little no the folk segment with
Jalen Brown. He covers Texas men's basketball for Orange bludge
dot com com. Don't miss that. Kelly Pipingo addressed the
media as well yesterday, we'll get into that. Darnell Dixon
for a Cougar Beat at four thirty, and then David Nixon,
former BAU great football player, joining us at five o five.
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much more. What do you got for me?
Speaker 1: I just want to say, Jaylen Brown is not the
basketball player for the Boston Celtics.
Speaker 2: No, not that I thought that was the interview we're doing.
I have to clarify. Side hustling. He loves them Longhorns.
It's like every everybody's everybody's got a side hustle. Everyone's
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You know, you ain't trying hard enough. You ain't working
hard enough, you lazy piece of you know. I mean,
I'm just playing. Hey, if you have the time, side hustle.
Jaylen Brown not the Celtics ball player, but uh, men's
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so tram Mark hit a nice fadeaway jumper from just
inside the three point lineup, beautifully executed fade away left
handed with one point one seconds left. This thing was
cardiac to the max. We we had heightened quartisol levels.
We were, we were My heart was kind of getting
into it as Ronnie Manson like he was getting after it.
I think I heard him in the other room getting
lively with it. At any rate, Texas survived a late
rally to beat NC State sixty eight sixty six on
Tuesday night in a first four matchup of these Power
Conference teams that had faced each other earlier this season.
They kind of, let's be honest, like from a resume standpoint,
they limped into this NCAA tournament. Ronald, you had mentioned it.
Both of them had lost like five out of the
last six games these they were not playing good basketball,
it was. It was a tough, hard fought game. Obviously,
Mark scored seventeen points to leave the Longhorns, who are
now nineteen fourteen on the year, and Texas moved into
the bracket as the eleven seed in the West Region
to face the BYU Cougars at that sixth seed on
Thursday night in Portland. So they got to take a trip,
right they have to take their talents out to Portland.
Oregon coach Sean Miller a very very good coach. We're
very very familiar with his game. BYU has faced Sean
Miller in the past. Coach Sean Miller's Longhorn Longhorns are
typically talented, right, he recruits extremely well. So they are talented,
they are long, they are athletic, they are physical, and
this is not going to be an easy game for
BAU by any means. But guys, I saw this game
as two talented teams that that just couldn't buy a bucket.
It wasn't an overly efficient night. I felt like Texas
was in control for most of the game, as Ronald
pointed out, a little bit boring. They just weren't hitting shots, right,
they just weren't hitting shots. But BYU, I think matches
up very well with the Longhorns. I think it should
be a dub. But guys, let's break down this. This
Texas Longhorn versus NC State wolf Pack matchup. What did
we learn about Texas in particular? So I had a
prior engagement last night.
Speaker 3: I didn't get I missed most of this game and
my phone was off, so I didn't know anything that
was going on.
Speaker 2: And I come out and.
Speaker 3: I see a text from Ron and he's like, bro,
this game is a bleep believe like it is not good.
This is so trash, and I was like, dang man.
So I only watched live the final four minutes. I've
since gone back and watched the whole thing, but I
watched the final four minutes and I was like, holy cow,
this is electric.
Speaker 2: What is then talking about? And then I went back
and watched the game.
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy cow, that was like a really bad
moving with like an electric like card chase, like kind
of like.
Speaker 2: Mission Impossible too, honestly, with the motorcycles at the.
Speaker 3: End, great ending, incredibly horrible first three quarters. The one
thing I do have to say though, is I felt
like that final four minutes and the final minutes of
the Howard game right before was as exciting, probably as
any finish we got in the first round of the
tournament last year. So my hope is from last night,
and we'll see what the first four looked like tonight.
But my hope is that we just like they are
starting this tournament off with an absolutely electric banger.
Speaker 2: They're setting the pace and that's how it'll go going forward.
Speaker 3: As for the game itself, I wonder based on the
struggles early in the game last night, and look, both
of these teams shot horrifically from three yeah twenty six
for sixteen for NCI State and five of seventeen for Texas,
And most of those shots, if we're being real, that
they did make, came in the final minutes when it
was just Haymaker after Haymaker. It makes me a little
nervous for BYU, because it makes me wonder, is this
gonna be one of those tournaments where everybody has got
to find a way to get their feet underneath them,
and everybody is starting slow.
Speaker 2: And Texas walks into this game.
Speaker 3: With a little bit of an advantage because they have
already played a game. And it's so interesting when we
talk about rest, right because rest you can really make
out of it whatever you want it to be. You
can have the same amount of games played and the
same amount of timeframe, and you could say, oh, well,
you know what, they haven't played for so long, so
they're rested, they're ready to go, or you can completely
flip it on its head and say, oh, you know what,
they haven't played in forever. So it'll be really interesting
to see if what the narrative is on Thursday night,
if it's hey man, Texas played on Tuesday, so that's
why they were able to take advantage of the BYU
slow starts that they typically give.
Speaker 2: I'm really fascinating to see how it goes.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the hope is that there's none of that and
that it's all much to do about nothing. I kind
of like getting Texas, though, I we're being honest, I'd
actually rather Texas than NC State because NC State in
those final few minutes kind of reminded me of UCF
a little bit, where you had a bunch of guys
who like, if you give them an inch, they'll take
a mile. In terms of just making ridiculous shots. They
have a lot of individual elite performers, whereas I felt
like Texas was more playing through a system than they
were isoball, and I feel more comfortable by you taking
on a team in a system than I do a
bunch of guys who can isoball you and go get
their shot whenever they want. Not that I think Texas
is going to be an easy win by any shot,
but I think I would rather give the edge to
wanting Texas from that standpoint.
Speaker 2: Ronnie, give me your thoughts. What did you learn about
Texas in this matchup? Oh?
Speaker 1: Look, they got they got grit, right, Ben, and they
didn't give up. I mean, like bridge Bred just pointed out.
N C State McNeil junior hit two the most probably
contested threes I've seen in a long time with the
guy in his face, probably the best defense he can
play without fouling, which is tough to do, and he
knocks him down. Then a guy that the all b
A fans don't like. Remember my Twitter post, Ben, Yeah,
I was talking to Ish and got him forgot. Darren
Williams hits one. You're like, is Texas gonna blow this?
And I said, please, don't blow this a BYU has
to play n C State team that's a veteran team
that just needs one ball to go in to get confident.
I was like, please don't, and then Texas end up winning.
So I learned that Texas has grit. But you don't
want to put him at the free throw line. Ben,
That's what you don't want to do because they'll they'll
make a lot of free throws. NC State put him
at the line way too much last night. They shot
twenty nine free throws Ben, twenty nine, twenty one. So
that's gonna be an issue for Byu. Uh because look,
when you struggle a gardener three in the past. And
this is talking about the season as a whole. This
is not the last week and a half, Ben, but
as a whole, that could shape its face and Texas
could be shooting a lot of free throws. Don't think
that would be the case, but just want to point
that out for BYU. And look, I'm gonna I'm gonna
be honest. You have to do everything you can to
stop Swaying. He's the best player on this team. Ben.
I know only shot two of nine, but he hit
eight of nine free throws, So I think Texas is
your best matchup. They turn the ball over quite a
bit last night, Ben, and then again, like I said
a couple of days ago, they foul a lot. They're
big man, uh he foiled out of the game, and
then they had two other dudes in foul trouble with four.
So that's the team that you want to face because
they're long. If they have to guard Aj Ben and
they are a step too slow and AJ gets them
in foul trouble, which I assume that's what is gonna
be on the game plan, then you have to when
they when Sean Miller has to go to this bench,
she doesn't want to do that. So I like Texas
facing Bou won't be an easy matchup by any means.
They open up I think as a two and a
half point favorite, as BYU. But I like this matchup Ben.
I think they can compete. But I will say this,
Kabe and Hadeem have their work cutout though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you guys both bring up some really good points.
You know. I'll start from the back end here. Texas
fouls a ton. They're like three hundredth in the country.
Like with team fouls, they are almost eclipsing twenty fouls
per game twenty so AJ that bowes well for a
J Botes, well, for Rob Wrightkennard Davis, anyone that's putting
it off the putting it on the on the on
the hardwood, off the bounce, they're they're gonna they're gonna foul.
What I thought was interesting, So that's kind of like
the pro for BYU right now. What I thought was
interesting is Texas has been horrific in three point defense
all season long. But and look, NC State actually shot
their percentage at thirty eight percent. NC State's one of
the best three point shooting teams in the country. They're
top ten guys, They're a top ten three point shooting team.
They only took nineteen, i think shots from the three
point line last night though, or sixteen sixt they took sixteen, okay,
and they shot thirty eight percent. Texas was running them
off the perimeter. They were not allowing three point shots
in volting.
Speaker 3: Actually even though shots. At the end of the game,
you heard Charles Barkley say, like Texas actually defended them
really well well minutes they just made those three. So
they were three of thirteen going into that final shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. So I'm like, okay, Like Texas is like
one of the worst three point defenses in the country.
Ken Palm puts them their overall defensive efficiency at like
ninety fifth. So you know, if you look at the
Ken Palm, you're like, this is gonna be one hundred
to one hundred. And remember the first Texas NC state
matchup was like one oh two to ninety five or
ninety seven. Texas ended up winning that game. It was
like a freaking frenetic race to one hundred. It was insane,
and both teams shot lights out. This one was a
little bit defense, a little bit difference. The defense really
stepped up. So I think that Texas has their March
madness hats on, and I think you're gonna play better
defense versus versus bright Now, I still think they're gonna foul. Luckily,
for BYU, they're not three YU this year, meaning they
don't have to really heavily rely on the three point
shot to win ball games and to get into the
eighty point threshold songs. They play defense. They play some
good defense, yeah exactly. But like that's that's what makes
me optimistic that they can uh they can match tit
for tat what Texas is bringing down offensively and not
have to be heavily reliant on the three. But look,
if they're not closing out, depending on how defense how
Texas is scouting BYU, I mean they may not. They
may allow BYU to take shots from the perimeter. They
may allow things of that nature. They may double, they
may blitch, they may allow for Alexi in Canard to
get shots, and you just hope that they can keep
them honest. The reason why Texas was so effective is
because they scouted NC State. They were well familiar with
their game, and so they were closing out a whole lot.
They only allowed thirteen three point shots in this up
until those final writing moments where they were more forced
within those half court sets. NC State was forcing those
three point shots because they had to get back into
the game. Ronald, your thoughts here, Yeah, you think.
Speaker 1: You bring up a good point. I think Brett would
want to get his thoughts as well. If you talk
about it, and this is specifically about the scout, let
me make sure I clarify what I'm in preface, what
I'm gonna say. If the scout and they new NC
State haven't played them. That's why the game was low scoring.
The scal for Bilia is gonna be what don't let
the bounce and get to the free throw line of that?
So I have to think that because they closed out
so hard, there's gonna be some lack of discipline at
times with Canard and a Lexi and leaving those guys open.
So those guys, like you said, Ben are going to
have to hit shots and keep and it can Texas
keep him? Honest, I don't know, because if you close
out and throw four, if you throw three or four
it Aj and then Canard and Alexi, youre hdding, what
has that dude been? Now the defense has to play
one on one because you can't leave them open. So yeah,
I think I did that. I was gonna say, if
I'm Kevin, yeah, I agree with but I think you
have to. If I'm Kevin young, Aj and Rob can
get going whenever they need to Ben. This is what
it is for me. Get Canard an Alexi play, get
both of them on the floor. If you want to
go with Mihilo for spacing and size, I understand that,
but then Mahilo, Canard and Alexi have to get going.
Like right away in the first four minutes where they
have to have two threes, and then Shauna is like, Okay,
that's not gonna work. We can't sell out on number three, Noney,
we have to go back, like you have to force
the coach to make an adjustment because then when Aj
is getting down here and getting in foul trouble, Texas
will be at by you have metro mercy. But I
think that's what has to happen at three point shot.
I think it is going to be critical been in
the first ten minutes to play tomorrow.
Speaker 3: The interesting thing about what you're saying, Ron is like,
if you so, like pretend we're a Texas show and
we're saying, hey, how does texts beat BYU?
Speaker 2: And you're saying, well, we know we foul a.
Speaker 3: Lot because uh Vokatitis fouled out last night, and we
know that Aj Debonsa has been playing in the Big
twelve where he's frankly been underfouled, and he's gonna be
in the NCAA tournament against the team who fouls a lot.
Speaker 2: Our options are either we either have to pull a little.
Speaker 3: Bit back and let them shoot as to not send
guys to the free throw line, or we just go
all out on everybody and we make AJ beat us
at the line. And if you're telling me that as
a BYU guy, either one of those, I'm like I
can live with, because there's no way you're gonna say, well,
we're just not gonna do either. We're just gonna play
really great defense without fouling, and we're not gonna send
AJ to the line. That just doesn't seem like it's
in your DNA, especially when we're talking about a team
with a high propensity for fouling, which equates to lower discipline.
Speaker 2: You don't get rid of that. Do you think the
SEC is a little bit more whistle happy than the
Big twelve? And what are we getting in the NCAA
tournament in Portland? I don't know if that's been announced yet.
Who are reffing crew is going to be? Is it,
you know, is it a conglomerate of Big twelve SEC?
Is it a West Coast Conference crew? Is it a
neutral crew? You know what I mean? That that's going
to be determinant. That's going to be a determinate factor.
Vokatitis went to the free throw line six times last night. Yeah,
and I think what we don't may not know who
the officials are.
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is it's going to be more forgiving,
I believe than Big twelve.
Speaker 2: If it's not, then it's an anomaly and it is
what it is. You live with it.
Speaker 3: But my guess is, and also these refs, these refs
don't know AJ. Yeah, and I'm sure they do Scout.
I'm sure they do their research and everything. But like,
I think there was some meeting at Big twelve HQ
that says, hey, man, don't let AJ take advantage of
getting to the free throw line. I think AJ is
playing smarter basketball now where he's not playing two get foul.
That just happens to be the case. That was who
he was earlier in the season. It would be really
if we're sitting here on Friday and we're like, how
today a J only take eight free throws, I think
I'll be really shocked. I'd be willing to bet money
against Yeah.
Speaker 2: If the over under stid eight, I'm picking the over, guys.
And the reason being is because I don't know if
you were here when we were talking about this. I
put on my conspiracy theories at like very rarely I've
been doing this show and I've been a part of
Cougar Nation since two thousand and five. I started doing
this show in two thousand. Well, I've been Sports Rader
two thousand and eight and then the show eleven twenty twelve.
Up until this point, there really has been little to
no advocacy in the sports sports media world, of the
conference affiliation world. There's been little no advocacy for BYU
as an entity. Athletic directors like BYU, but those aren't
power brokers of the sport. Does that make sense? They
like BAU because they'll sell tickets and everybody, they'll fill
the stadium always, But we we've had very like, very rarely.
J T mentioned this too when he was putting out
his prognostication, because it's been a real thing every single year.
Whatever your potential seating is, if you're a sixty your
five seat, you're getting the seed drop and you're going
to the Thursday Saturday matchup that you and you're and
they're trying to won in Dunia. The Committee's trying to
win in Dunia. This is the first time I think,
I mean maybe like you can make an argument for
like the Dushane like that was that that was a
good match. We shot we should have won that game,
that du Shane game. But other than that, like I
always feel like this is like one of the first
okay where you actually had an advocate and they're like,
we gotta have jj AJ survive in advance. We gotta
have And so I believe the whistles will come. I
really do. And I think the nc double A and
the power brokers, the puppeteers of the sports entertainment were
they want and need AJ to get to a Sweet sixteen,
and they gave a pathway for it to be attained.
Speaker 3: The tournament does best when it's superstar against superstar or
big brand against big brand eat it. So I think
if the NCAA could pick, I think they would take
this year BYU over Purdue because as.
Speaker 2: Great as well they want that Bau Purdue game.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying I think they would even take BYU
over that because as cool as Purdue is, Braden Smith
is not the name that AJ Debonta is. Because if
you're trying to market the NCAA Tournament, this is the
easiest year to say, man, we have superstars all over
this thing. Arizona has two first round picks projected to
go in the top twenty. Like everybody on this tournament
has a superstar. We want to make this thing the
tournament of superstars.
Speaker 2: And and that's why they obviously would.
Speaker 3: Want BYU to win because the further AJ goes, the
further people talk about the tournament, the NBA people are
now watching who don't normally.
Speaker 2: Watch college basketball.
Speaker 3: This is the easiest year if you're the NCIBULA to
market this tournament, and it's because of guys like.
Speaker 2: A Give them the whistles. Give them the whistles. If
it's a foul, it looks like a foul, it smells
like a foul, it sounds like a foul. Is a foul. Okay,
if we hear it, that's a foul. A thud, a swipe,
a laceration, a bump, a flick at arrest, you know
what I mean, all of it. Give me that whistle.
Get them to the free thrown at least ten. At
least ten, That's what I think my I put it.
I think it'll be twelve.
Speaker 3: That's where I if I had to bet on the dot,
I think it'll be twelve.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, BYU Texas will continue to scout this Texas team.
As I mentioned earlier this week, Texas on the season
forty second in net and then in Ken Palm they
were thirty seven, so ninety fifth defensively inefficiency eighteenth offensively.
So they've been a high powered offensive team all season long.
In their Quad one in Quad two games, if you
haven't looked at their resumes, six and nine in Quad
one opportunities, their best wins neutral site, NC State away,
versus Alabama home game, versus Vanderbilt, Oklahoma away. They won
on away away course. That's what's so crazy to me,
Miszoo away, Texas and Texas A and M away. Now
you wonder, is the SEC overrated by the way, they're
one in four in Quad two games. So they pooped
the bed a little bit in their Quad two opportunities
neutral home games, they just weren't that. They just weren't
as good. They did get a win versus Georgia, but
they lost Arizona State, they lost to Texas A and M.
They lost Oklahoma and Ole Miss Okay. So that's the
resume of Texas. We'll continue to break it down. Please,
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When you hear that song, what do you ponder? What
do you think about?
Speaker 3: Takes me back, Ben, takes me back to the year
twenty eleven, twenty twelve. I went to Walmart with my
aunt to pick up my first copy of NBA two
K NBA two K twelve with Michael Jordan on the cover,
and this is the opening songs. Every time you boot
it up, You Got Basketball is my favorite, and so
the whole wrap, the whole thing. And yeah, I mean
I think from that point on I can tell you
that the opening song to every two K. So yeah,
shout out to that song because it takes me back
to being in high school.
Speaker 2: I feel like all the band of the days they
take me back, So I appreciate it. Hey, yeah, buddy,
appreciate Brett always bringing the hammer being by my sat Ronald,
the three man weaver behind the glass. We're gonna get
into a few commentaries here in our Band of the
day Question of the day, Say, man, what's your level
of confidence as you get into the NCAA Tournament with
this bou men's basketball team. I feel like we've had
the undulations, the ups and downs, the Jekkolin hiding of
it all. But BYU against tournament teams, I was pulling
some data. Right, you got one one seed that you've
faced in Arizona a couple of times. Right, you have
a couple of two seeds in Yukon, Houston, Iowa State.
You've seen so much Kansas, A four seed, Wisconsin and
Texas Tech five seeds. You're seven through ten seeds. You
got Miami, Villanova, Clemson, TC, and UCF and then a
thirteen seed in cal Baptists. So you've been through the
refining fire eight and eight versus tournament teams. What's your
level of confidence right now heading into the NCAA tournament
Hammer Time Show and then Ronnie get your give me
your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I'll be confident based off of how BYU plays Texas.
Like what version of the team are we getting? Are
we getting Big twelve tournament BYU? Because if that's the
BYU getting we're getting, then man, I think this team
can make a Sweet sixteen run. You know, maybe they
maybe they see Arizona, they get a get back. I
don't know, but if that's the team we're getting, then
my confidence is probably at a seven seven and a half.
Speaker 2: If we're getting.
Speaker 3: UCF, BYU Baylor, BYU West Virginia BUYU.
Speaker 2: Then I'm really not confident at all.
Speaker 3: What I will say is I feel like this team
has gone through phases, They've gone through eras, and frankly,
if we're being honest, we only have one year of
sample size to work off with Kevin Young and that's
last year. Don't we feel like Kevin Young did his
best coaching and his team played their best basketball closer
to March.
Speaker 2: Than they did the beginning of the season.
Speaker 3: Yes, So all of that makes me think like if
we were sitting here on a Wednesday, March eighteenth, and
boy had gotten run out of the gym in the
first round of the Big Twelve Tournament, I don't think
I'd be able to say that. I think Kevin Young
can replicate what he did last year. But given the
run that they went on at during that Big Twelve Tournament,
that makes me think, Okay, this is where Kevin WoT
Young was last year, albeit with less continuity on this
team than he had last season. I think he can
figure it out. He told us he feels like he
does his best coaching whin his backs against the wall,
and that is said by two groups of people, the
greatest procrastinators in the world who always say it never
do and some of the most successful people in the world.
And I believe that Kevin Young is the latter. I
think Kevin Young is gonna do some of his best coaching.
I think they're gonna find a way to get the
ball to aj Debonta as opposed to the final minutes
of that Houston game.
Speaker 2: But it all to me depends on what do we.
Speaker 3: See against Texas on Thursday, Because like we said in
the last segment, Texas has played a game, they got
one under their belt. BYU, I guess has the rest.
But however, BYU has had some notable slow starts throughout
the season that really just left them kind of punching
air for a while hoping they could get back.
Speaker 2: Into the game. And some games they did, some games
they didn't.
Speaker 3: I think we will know, and maybe this is too
early to tell, but like I think we'll know in
the first ten minutes tomorrow what version of BYU were.
Speaker 2: Getting So BYU fans shining in on this particular poll,
Trent Reid, my blue goggled friend akin to Braden day
of Odeon Mensworth says I shouldn't expect a national championship surprising.
Speaker 1: Come on, come on, you see me at a dobe.
Come on, Trent, I know you're listening. Come on, I
expect better.
Speaker 2: I like my Sam Jacobs too, also a big friend
of the prom. Two and one against BAAS, two and
one against five seeds, five and one against seven through
thirteen seeds. We did beat a two seed and play
one seed to a one score game, So I think
we have as much of a chance as anyone b
yu's eight and eight versus NCAA tournament teams. So yeah,
you know what your love of confidence right now? I
I dude, I'm coming in pretty swaggy. I'll be honest,
I'm pretty confident, like like you know, like combining the talent,
right you hear K Why say things like we're too talented?
I had to simplify. It's the simplification longer, harder, faster, stronger,
down to get the friction on or it's happening anyway.
I take that into account, right, I take him to
the account. Like, like I said, my conspiracy theory of
like finding a path for BYU to get to a
Sweet sixteen and maybe even an elite eight. I think
they're gonna call the game differently for aj who has
not gotten as many whistles. It's been it's been infrequent.
It's been up and down. Sometimes he gets a call,
sometimes he doesn't. You know, he gets bodied a lot,
and he can absorb that. The thing is for being
as swelt as he is, he actually he absorbs energy
pretty well. And maybe that's one of the reasons. If
he was lebron a bitch, excuse me, Lebron James, then
and then you know, he'd probably get more calls, right
and he'd either the the flop the lebron a flop
La flop James. He just needs to flop more. I
don't know. Maybe he'll get those calls. I think he
will get those calls in the n C Double A tournament,
is what I'm getting at. Yes, I agree, I don't
think flopping more is the way to go. But other
than that, I do.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no to flop here debansa flop
flops the flops. So there I like that, bro the FLOPSA.
Speaker 2: That's a aj deosa a p.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to put that out there, aj De
FLOPSA no Ben, Look, I think a J will and
he does do a great job of absorbing contact. I think,
like you both said, he's gonna get calls in Texas
when you folll out like that, and look, Brett always
punts it out. These officials meet before they get together.
They know that Texas foul fouls. If AJ is in
a position they're shooting and they hammer him no pun intended,
then there he's going to get to the free throw line.
So I do believe that. I think the BAU team, Ben,
I I'm I'm camp. You know, if we were to
pull out a poll of oh, you know, very confident, confident,
not confident on whatever we I'm confident. I think this
BYU team will do what he did in the Big
twelve tournament. And look, if they do what they did, Ben,
that's two wins. That's that's that's sweet sixteen. That's above
quarter with the top king not playing now if he
was playing obviously, but let's say, you know, magic happens.
You do get Purdue right, you know the behind the
scenes they want AJ in the Elite eight and you
get matched up with Arizona or John Calipower, you know, Arkas,
who knows what could happen, Ben, But if you get
do what you do in the Big twelve, you get
two wins, you lose to Purdue in the Sweet sixteen.
Brett just pointed it out. Let me re emphasize it
for people just tuning in, or if you want to
ignore it. This is the man's second year back to
bat Sweet sixteens. If that were to happen, you need
to shake that man's hand. You need to you need
to buy his family ice cream. Just condonded that I'm
joking when I said it, but you need to be grateful.
Sometimes people get a little greedy. And I think if
Kevin Young gets BYU to the Sweet sixteen again and
they get bounced, you gotta you gotta look at that like,
because then look at who they knocked off the last
two years to get there. A big team was onsin
Big Ten team who is really good and is playing
good basketball right now, and then Gonzaga who runs a
WCC who everybody says to join the Big twelve along
with Yukon. So in my opinion, I think, you know,
if that were to happen, after tip Mike hat to
Kevin Young and I have no I have no qualms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me give you a little snapshot here. I
am optimistic. I'm pretty swaggy heading into this. I think
b Lee gets to win. BA is twenty three and eleven.
Right Ken Palm their they're ranked twenty third. Their net
ranking is twenty third. Texas nineteen and fourteen. Ken Palm's
thirty seventh, The net is forty second. Bou enterest this
game as a very very slight favorite at one and
a half. That's the spread right now, and ken Palm
is actually predicting a three point win for the Coup,
so about a sixty or so percent win probability. Texas,
who's a really good offensive team, and uh an a
lead offensive team, I say as a as a top
twenty Ken Palm efficiency rating. They get heavy on the
free throws too, top five free throw rate nationally. Uh
and they get second chance points. Remember the long athletic
you know, guys that have physicality. They if we're not
boxing out on the defensive rebounding game, like, we may
get bossed, we may get sauced, you know what I mean?
Like that. I chatted with a number of individuals over
the last forty eight hours and they said, Ben, if
we're having to play b too for a lot of
minutes in order to win, we're probably gonna lose. Does
that like in order to rebound who you may have
to play be Doo and he's really not an offensive
threat and he's an okay rebounder, but he's your only
close to seven footer out there, you know what I mean? So, uh,
that's that's intriguing to me. B what who has improved
very very I think very well in the Big twelve
Big twelve tournament defensively, So we'll see how plays out.
Speaker 1: But running your thoughts, ye, look and look I know
b Hammer time he does a lot of data. He
he takes your point of data points. We have multiple
data points, even Ben, I can't ignore it to beat
who struggling. This is what I'm going to say though,
And this is not just for for Bread, This is
for myself, just for you, Ben, because I don't want
to be frustrated at the television, but I feel like
I'm going to Kaba Kita, please stay out of foul trouble.
That is what's gonna happen if if if Keba gets
in foul trouble or hadeem beat, Who's going to play.
They have no choice. So I just I have to
point that out, Ben, I have to.
Speaker 2: Botch My thing is. Let me couple that, And I
think you bring up a really good point there. We
don't have a back to the basket guy. That's that
that puts and I always mess up his last name,
Modus is uh. You know, Modus gets to the foul
line a lot. But Voca titus vocatitis. He he gets
to the foul line a lot, and he also fouls
a lot. But where are we gonna A J's got
to go right at him when he's under the rim
and go get fouled. Other I I don't know who's
drawing fouls for vocat.
Speaker 1: It's not Rob. Rob's not gonna draw fouls on voc right.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? So I'm like, okay, how do
you get him in foul trouble? Who is it besides
A J?
Speaker 1: Canard? Uh goes up pretty you know, goes up pretty level.
Speaker 2: And probably it's gotta be like two bags, you know,
where where Caba is maybe getting after rebound, but we've
seen like seven footers get to Caba. Remember you of
a you know, sometimes a gay get the rebounds. You
know what I mean, with a big seven plus footer
that has decent jumping ability.
Speaker 1: It's a gonna found vocal Titus out and and by
the way, shout is the tightest because he couldn't say
vocal Titus last night.
Speaker 3: It was an interesting call last night, by the way,
with Dick vital right, and I love both of those guys.
Speaker 2: Just final minutes to the game. Again, five minutes of.
Speaker 1: The game is great.
Speaker 3: But I went back and I was listening to the
rest of the game. I was like, why are we
talking about? Like how defen like the eighties than he did.
I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And they got political too. I was like, what in
the world now? Yeah, I was like, what are we doing?
I say, guys, focus on the game. But then you
know that's I'm not trying to be this way, but
that's how pp you know how you know, poor the
offense was. But in the last five minutes, like brid said,
there was no nothing else. Swain's got to take over.
He's got to be locked in all you can found
like you know, but Voca Titus.
Speaker 2: And by the way, Swain is their best all around
player seventy point eight points per game, seven point six rebounds,
three point four assists.
Speaker 3: That dude is is the real deal? S interesting note
on Voca Titus ron just real quick. In his last
seven games he has had four more fouls. Yeah, so
this isn't like, hey man, this was an anomaly for him,
like seven and go back even further, like a majority
of his games he has he finishes with four and
more fouls, and I think three of his last seven
he's fouled out. So there is a world with aj
that's not It doesn't even have to be an anomaly.
In fact, I'd probably say it's a forty chance that
Voca Titus fouls out of the game, especially when you're
having to stop a rim runner like AJ.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 2: Texas is one of the best rebounding teams in the country,
especially on the offensive blast. There's seventeenth in the nation
and rebounding percentage right, so total rebounded percentage rebound rate
seventeenth BYU is forty four forty four not bad, right,
higher than honestly I think I would have expected, right,
because it feels like, I mean, there's times that k
Why says like, hey, we're a pretty good rebounding team.
We're gonna have to be like you're gonna be chesselet
Richie was a huge part of that, So I'm really
watching that too. I mean, you have a disparity of
about you know, twenty spots there seventeen you know, seventeen
forty four little more than that, about thirty spots. So
BYU gonna be tried. There's a reason why guys analysts
out there are picking an upset in this game. There
are talking heads and analysts and bracketeers and bracketologists and
so called armchair basketball you know, analysts. They're gonna pick
this upset right because they still feel that BYU's a
mid major. Even though all the aj you know, all
the rob Riot, all the Transferport, all the Hullaballo, all
the articles, et cetera, they still view BYU as a
bit of a mid major. Which is interesting because they're
gonna be going up another team that has sweat equity
of merit as a as a former mid major that
is now considered one of the blue bloods, right because
they've earned that right. BYU's on its quest, on its
trajectory to earn that blue blood power conference upper echelon
brand in the basketball world. And I'm intrigued to watch
them knock off Texas and to beat another former conference
teammate in the West Coast Conference, gonzagu who's dominated all
that time. We're gonna we get to see like remember
in the gym or era, we knocked off Gonzaga, Okay,
and that was a Sweet sixteen. Could have been an
elite It could have been a Final four if all
things would have stars would have aligned. This is one
of those situations where it's like, how far have we come?
How far have we come? Have we progressed at a
level where we are now better than Gonzaga, who has
been a perennial. They have made runs year in and
year out in the NCAA tournament for the last like
Ian seince, fifteen years, fifteen years of like consistency dominance
in the West Coast Conference. But I'm very much intrigued.
And then you face Purdue, who has become a powerhouse.
That has become a powerhouse. I think it's Palm's number
one offensive rated team. Yeah, I mean it's one of
those teams that is you know, you got about eleven
teams that supposedly from the metrics, can win a Natty.
Buyu is not there, But They're one of the teams
that that's kind of right there, right there that could
this year you have some elite basketball teams, elevated play,
elevated efficiency, elevated professionalism too, because a lot of these
guys are still they're staying back. They're not going to
the league, they're not going to overseas. They're staying in
the NCAA because that's where the money is. So it's
much better than it has been. And look at all
the Gleague players that were coming back to anyway, that's
neither here nor there, but a little preview here as
we get ready for this BYU Texas game. As I
mentioned by you, only a slight favorite. It's going to
be a five to twenty five pm Mountain time tip off, Okay,
March nineteenth, Thursday in Portland, Oregon. It's going to be
broadcasted on TBS, I believe, So make sure you're watching
with your friends and family members. Brad Nessler going to
be on the play by play and while the Serbiak
analysts as well as Jared Breenberg Greenberg on the sideline.
Do you like that crew?
Speaker 3: I do like Jared Greenberg. I grew up on well
I don't need to nerd out with the people. But
when I was a kid, I would watch the NBA
Top ten on the NBAS YouTube channel every day, and
Jared Greenberg would narrate those.
Speaker 2: And he moved on to bigger and better things. So
I really like Jared Greenberg and then Brad Nesler.
Speaker 3: Everyone else didn't grow up an SEC country, but I
grew up on the SEC on CBS, and every Saturday,
Brad Nesler was the sound that I heard.
Speaker 2: Is there gonna be some SEC bias? Then I'm just.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I honestly, men, like this might
be the year where it's like the bias is going
away from the SEC because the innsid play looks at
Texas and they're like, look, man, we want to give
it to you, but like they have a superstar and
you don't, and that's better for our brand.
Speaker 2: So do with that, which you will. I'm so excited, man. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Thursday of March madness when you get to flip
on your TV and turn on the quad Box and
you have ten games going on at the same time
and there's so much information, so many games going on.
Speaker 2: Your phone's blowing up. You just can't handle it.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, man, like the third said Friday in March, Madness,
are the best days in the sport that's stay in sport,
probably not even just the sport.
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be so much fun. And then the
only thing.
Speaker 3: That worries me are like, are we gonna be so
tired of basketball by the time that this five twenty
five tip off rolls around? That were like, Okay, I
need a little bit of break, I need to walk
away from the TV. But I also think like watching
your team gets you amped up in a way that
that not everything else does. And obviously we're gonna watch
the game, but I'm excited. Man, it's so much fun.
Speaker 2: It's the best. Timmy. We got an SEC fishonado here.
As you guys know, he's from Georgia, so you know
he's gonna be like, oh, there's no SEC. Buys, there's
no SEC. But it's not a thing. It's literally a thing.
There's no such thing as everything you know, only a football.
Check this out conferences that sent two plus teams to
the Big Dance, right, this is how many multi big conferences.
Obviously the SEC did Big ten, uh ACC, Big twelve,
Big East West Coast conference, et cetera. The SEC got
ten bits to the NCD, the most out of any
power conference, nine to the Big ten, and eight to
the ACC and the Big twelve. And guess what check
this out? Like this is what's so insane to me
as you look at the SEC, UH was the worst
I believe non conference winning percentage against power conferences. SEC
had like a like a twenty two percent winning percentage.
They had the lowest They had the lowest winning percentage
in like quad one, Quad two, Quad three, Quad four opportunities,
UH quad one a, quad one, Quad one and two. Like,
they had the lowest winning percentage in non con all
season long and every single like. So I just don't know,
I don't know, you know who had the best winning percentage.
It's not even close, like by multiple percentage where the ACC,
Big ten and SEC. I mean they're close enough you
can say, okay, but like it's significantly better in their
non con Big twelve is way better than in their
non con than the ACC Big ten. At SEC, Yet
the SEC got ten bids, two more than the Big
twelve and the ACC and one more than the Big ten.
Speaker 3: The SEC, again, as a man who grew, they the
SEC is the biggest echo chamber on earth, Like they
just all drink their own kool aid. And but then
again they go play non con games and they suck.
But then when they're in conference, like, well, it's just
we were the gauntless. It's always the gauntlet.
Speaker 2: And that's why they don't want to play any other
conference anymore. In basketball, Okay, we have so much talent here,
we can't play like we don't want to get injured,
we don't want to get exposed. I mean, look at that.
I mean that's what they're doing. That's it. That's exactly
their And I called it too, Ronnie. It was like
two years ago. I called it. I've been calling it
every year, like, are gonna continue to just play themselves
in their little sandbox? Back where are the best?
Speaker 1: This is truly a bunch of like this at the
start of Yeah, so it has been two years. Yeah,
I called that.
Speaker 2: This is what they're gonna do because they've been exposed.
They can't the sweat equity and that they've built through
buying players and.
Speaker 1: Code they put well people putting this over.
Speaker 2: The last twenty years. They can't let that go away.
That's why they keep on just go. We'll just play
ourselves over here, and like, oh, Gauntlet, Gauntlet, Gauntlet. They
got ten freaking bids. So my question is how I
hope BYU freaking detroys Texas. I hope they beat them
by twenty.
Speaker 1: I agree, it's a good point now that I think
about that. But here's the thing. If everything that here's
this is what happens in Marshamados, everything that can go
wrong will go wrong right just for an upset or
for the right like b Y, you very well could
be blowing Texas out at like the you know, the
tenth minute mark in the second half, because if you're
in foul trouble in the first half, if AJ is going,
if he's in fuego, like I'm a rram. He almost
dropped twenty in every game in the first half. You're
telling me, if Texas is a better basketball team, you
can't stay. Probably let's go there West Virginia. Maybe maybe
West Virginia with Taal Honnerhoff shoots and how great they
offensive rebound. Ben Look, I love the SEC and I
think it is a great basketball conference to a degree.
I don't want to knock it. You know, they got
the most teams in the tournament. But I keep saying this,
put the Big twelve in the SEC, see what happens.
Take the SEC and put him in the Big twelve
and see what happens. Like you don't want to play
these teams, like I guarant like Texas don't want to
see Houston, they don't want to see UCF. You don't
want to see Arizona. I'm sorry, but you're gonna have
to see BYU tomorrow. I just I agree with your point.
I think if it gets ugly Boor, you can win
by twenty. And if that's the point, then get AJ
some fresh legs, get him out the game, get robbed out,
and let some of these other guys get to work.
I would love to see in a game been where
ajs thirty five or he's not even the guy they
talked to in the post game. I would love to
see it be Kenardo or Alexi. That's what I would
love to see. Will be where he puts belt to booty.
But I don't think that will happen. And I got
a eight point victory, I got seventy six sixty eight cougars.
I'll be out for the next two days for a
programming note. But don't believe that if I'm on a plane,
I'm not gonna be watching BYU. I'm gonna be tuned
in wherever I'm att even if that is the great
city of Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, oh man, goodness great. So anyways, I had
to go off on a die trap on your SEC.
Speaker 1: It was a good die tride, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I feel like, as far as SEC people, Brett Brett,
why are the SEC corrupt?
Speaker 2: Why are they so corrupt? And had they corrupted you?
Do we have to have talk? Do you need to
go talk to your bishop?
Speaker 3: Do you feel like there's a character within your I
feel as far as SEC fans go, I probably the
least biased SEC fan. And I'm not saying I'm unbiased.
I'm just saying least bias. And I know the bar
is really high, but I'm probably on the lower end.
Speaker 2: Broddie, I'm beginning to question, you know, my hiring process
with bringing in an SEC advocate.
Speaker 1: Well, if your question is hiring process, can I be honest?
That means you have to question your producer because I vouched?
So that's not good?
Speaker 2: That is that's true?
Speaker 1: That means I mean we have to go back to
the drawing board. Look, look, this is all in the fun.
Speaker 2: Don't we all want cannon catching?
Speaker 1: Dang, why you gotta take my took my take it
straight away. I was gonna give cannon catches a stray.
I was gonna say, look we had maybe it's a
cannon catching situation. We made a mistake. Maybe he took
my strength. Da he's playing fantastic.
Speaker 2: I am a guy that says once a cougar, I
was cougar. But I don't even remember. I don't even
know him.
Speaker 1: I never do the I never Hey, watch it, watch
you tell my seven Luke Warm?
Speaker 2: Can I can I give?
Speaker 1: Can I get some insight to that? Let me give
you this. Brett, you guys know that I was at
you know, the the the Sweet sixteen, and that I
asked cannon catches with Sam Foster. Brett and I both know,
and Ben, I'm pretty sure you've had him in passing.
He used to be the Daily Universe editor. We both
sat there and asked him, how would you describe your
freshman season? He says, just that my freshman season, Ben,
I had to walk away from the interview as a
reporter because before I was even getting out the locker.
Must said that man already in the portal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, indeed. Anyways, well, Cougar Nation, I want to
give you a five hundred dollars gift card. What do
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All right, guys, let's take a time out. We're gonna
say farewell to hammer time. Right, you're taking off, and
then we'll welcome in the g man Brandon C. Gurney
to the show. We'll get into Aaron Roderick commentary,