1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,640 Speaker 1: Out of this door might come something, or we might 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,640 send something through it. 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 2: You know, when you first read me that quote, I 4 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,160 thought it was from a movie. 5 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 1: It sounds like right. It sounds like the opening line 6 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,640 to some huge, you know, sci fi blockbuster exactly. 7 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: Or like a piece of found footage, the last entry 8 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,079 in a scientist journal before everything goes wrong. It's got 9 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,879 that ominous quality, it really does. 10 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: But it isn't fiction, and that's the unsettling part. That's 11 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:31,199 a direct recorded quote from a man named Sergio Bertolucci. 12 00:00:31,399 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: And just so everyone's clear at who that is. We're 13 00:00:33,359 --> 00:00:35,840 not talking about some fringe blogger, No, not at all. 14 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,359 Speaker 1: He was the director of Research and Scientific Computing at CERN, 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,840 a top level guy. He was right there at the 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:43,719 heart of the operation. 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: And when he talked about this door, he wasn't being poetic. 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,679 He wasn't talking about opening the door to new knowledge 19 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,359 in a Metica oracle sense. 20 00:00:52,399 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Now. He was being shockingly literal. He was talking about 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,960 the Large Hadron Collider, the LHC, the biggest, most powerful, 22 00:00:59,079 --> 00:01:02,200 most expensive machine humanity has ever built. 23 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: And he was specific about the timing too, which is 24 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:06,120 what I find so chilling. 25 00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: So specific he said, they could hold this door open 26 00:01:10,519 --> 00:01:14,159 for a fedder and get this number ten to the 27 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,599 power of negnever twenty six seconds. 28 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:18,879 Speaker 2: It's a number that doesn't really mean anything to the 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,599 human brain. It's a concept, not a length. 30 00:01:21,359 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Of time, right, What even is that? It's a decimal 31 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,519 point than twenty five zeros and then a one. 32 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:31,159 Speaker 2: It's a moment so infinitesimally brief that it barely exists 33 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:33,680 by our standards. It's like a single frame in a 34 00:01:33,719 --> 00:01:36,159 movie that runs for the entire age of the universe. 35 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: But his claim, and this is the part that I'm 36 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:40,319 not gonna lie. It's been digging into my brain ever 37 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,200 since we started this research. His claim was that during 38 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:44,719 that tiny, violent. 39 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,359 Speaker 2: Fracture of a moment, they could peer through. 40 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:47,959 Speaker 1: They could peer through, they could see what was on 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,319 the other side, or and here's a kicker, they could 42 00:01:51,359 --> 00:01:53,640 pull something out or push something. 43 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:55,599 Speaker 2: In, which leads to the central question of this whole thing, 44 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,120 doesn't it. 45 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: It has to what if they did it? What if 46 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:00,560 they actually successfully opened that door or back in two 47 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:01,640 thousand and eight, and. 48 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,159 Speaker 2: Maybe the more important question is what if they couldn't 49 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,719 get it fully closed again? Or what if just the 50 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:09,560 act of opening it fundamentally changed the room we were 51 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,319 all standing in. 52 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,199 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads. Today we are pulling out a 53 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:19,240 string that, well, it might unravel the very fabric of 54 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:20,919 the reality you think you're living in. 55 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,759 Speaker 2: That sounds dramatic, but I think by the end of 56 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:25,960 this you'll see it might not be dramatic enough. 57 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: We're looking at a convergence, a perfect storm of high 58 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,599 energy physics, these strange, unexplainable memory phenomena that millions of 59 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,479 people are experiencing, and the very real possibility that our 60 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,240 world ended, or at least shifted somewhere around two thousand 61 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:41,479 and eight. 62 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,599 Speaker 2: I know, I know, just hearing that, it sounds impossible. 63 00:02:45,039 --> 00:02:47,840 I can feel you listening right now, maybe rolling your eyes. 64 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,919 It has all the hallmarks of a wild conspiracy theory. 65 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: Totally. I would have been right there with you a 66 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:53,319 month ago. 67 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: But when you start digging into the sources we've compiled, 68 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,159 and we're talking insider testimonies from credentialed scientists, we're talking 69 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:01,240 about actual court documents from two thousand and eight that 70 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:03,719 tried to stop this thing. I honestly had no idea 71 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:04,639 those even existed. 72 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I didn't either. 73 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,879 Speaker 2: And then you add in thousands of data points on 74 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,759 collective memory. You have to stop and ask the question, 75 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:13,199 what if your memories aren't the things that are wrong? 76 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,759 Speaker 1: What if reality is what changed and we're just the 77 00:03:16,759 --> 00:03:18,719 ones who remember what it was like before. 78 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: We are diving deep into what people call the CERN conspiracy, 79 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,960 but also into the Mandela effect and this core idea 80 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,400 that we might be living in a slightly different timeline 81 00:03:29,439 --> 00:03:32,000 than the one we were born into. I'm here to 82 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,039 try and parse the physics from the fiction, or maybe 83 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,159 find where they overlap. 84 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,599 Speaker 1: And I'm your host, and I am I'm ready for this, 85 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:42,199 but I'm also frankly a little bit terrified of where 86 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,240 this thread leads. 87 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Then let's start at the beginning. We have to understand 88 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:47,599 the machine. You can't understand the BITE if you don't 89 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:48,400 understand the Beast. 90 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:53,879 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, the Beast. CERN the European Organization for Nuclear Research. 91 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:57,319 Most people have a vague idea. It's in Switzerland, right. 92 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Switzerland and France. Actually the main site is near Geneva, 93 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:02,479 but the machine itself is so large it straddles the border. 94 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,280 It's an international project. 95 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,199 Speaker 1: And their main event, the star of the show is 96 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:10,840 the large Hadron collider the LHC. When they say large, 97 00:04:10,879 --> 00:04:12,479 what are we really talking about? 98 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,319 Speaker 2: We are talking about a scale that is genuinely hard 99 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,079 to comprehend. Forget a lab bench, forget a big building. 100 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:22,639 Picture a circular tunnel like a subway system. Okay, now 101 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,560 imagine that tunnel is twenty seven kilometers around. That's about 102 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,160 seventeen miles in circumference. 103 00:04:27,319 --> 00:04:29,759 Speaker 1: Seventeen miles, so if you wanted to walk it. 104 00:04:29,639 --> 00:04:32,639 Speaker 2: You'd be walking for five or six hours easily. And 105 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,480 that entire seventeen mile ring is buried deep underground, about 106 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,160 one hundred meters or over three hundred feet down. 107 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 1: Why so deep? Is that just for safety? Like if 108 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:43,920 it blows up, the dirt will contain it. 109 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,879 Speaker 2: That's part of it. Sure, containing any potential radiation is important, 110 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,839 but the main reason is shielding. They're trying to conduct 111 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,360 the most sensitive experiments imaginable. 112 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: So they're hiding from what cosmic. 113 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: Rays, the constant shower of particles from the Sun from distance, supernovae, 114 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:01,319 our amosphere excess for most of it. But for what 115 00:05:01,399 --> 00:05:05,079 they're doing, even a single stray particle from space could 116 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,120 ruin an experiment. Burying it three hundred feet down uses 117 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,879 the Earth itself as a giant shield. 118 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: So they have this pristine seventeen mile racetrack underground. What 119 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,839 are they racing? 120 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 2: Protons mostly or heavy ions. They take these fundamental particles, 121 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:24,040 inject them into two separate beam pipes, and then they 122 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,839 use thousands of incredibly powerful superconducting magnets to accelerate them. 123 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,720 How fast I mean we're talking fast. The number is 124 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,360 ninety nine point nine nine one percent the speed of light. 125 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:37,959 Speaker 1: That's basically the speed of light. That seems impossible. 126 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: It's close as you can get without breaking physics. At 127 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,600 that speed. The protons whip around that seventeen mile track 128 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:45,600 over eleven thousand times per second. 129 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: Eleven thousand times a second. Wow. 130 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,959 Speaker 2: Okay, and then comes the main event. They had these 131 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:53,160 two beams of particles going in opposite directions at nearly 132 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:55,879 the speed of light, and at specific points in the 133 00:05:55,959 --> 00:05:58,600 ring they use magnets to steer them into each other. 134 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: They crash them head on a demolition derby for atoms. 135 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,639 Speaker 2: That's a perfect way to put it, and the energy 136 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,240 released in those collisions is immense. The whole point is 137 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,959 to recreate, for a fraction of a second, the conditions 138 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,000 that existed just after the big bang. 139 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,879 Speaker 1: They're making many big bangs in a tunnel under. 140 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,639 Speaker 2: Switzerland in a very very controlled way. Yes, they're trying 141 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,839 to see what the universe is made of at its 142 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:25,000 most fundamental level. They have these gigantic detectors stories high 143 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,959 built around the collision points just to take pictures of 144 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,639 the subatomic debris that flies out. 145 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: And this is how they found the Higgs boson, right, 146 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,399 the god particle exactly. 147 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:36,519 Speaker 2: That was in twenty twelve. It was a monumental achievement. 148 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,120 The Higgs particle was the missing piece of what's called 149 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,800 the standard model of particle physics. Finding it was a 150 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,439 huge victory. It proved their theories were right. 151 00:06:45,519 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: A triumph for science. Everyone celebrated, everyone celebrated. 152 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: But the sources we're looking at today suggest that in 153 00:06:53,399 --> 00:06:55,959 the process of finding that particle they might have stumbled 154 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,600 upon something else or done something on something they didn't 155 00:06:58,600 --> 00:06:59,480 put in the press release. 156 00:06:59,639 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: And this is where it gets weird. This is where 157 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,519 we have to bring in doctor Astrod Stucklberger. 158 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 2: Yes, because this is the point where the story usually 159 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,160 veers off into pure speculation from anonymous internet forums. But 160 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:11,879 she's different. 161 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:15,839 Speaker 1: She is very different. This isn't some random person. Doctor 162 00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:18,800 Stuckelberger is a Swiss scientist. She's worked for the World 163 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,240 Health Organization. She's taught at the University of Geneva. She's 164 00:07:22,279 --> 00:07:25,399 an insider in that whole Geneva international community. 165 00:07:25,439 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: She's not on the outside looking in. She's in the 166 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,519 room where it happens, so to speak. She has credentials, 167 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:32,040 she has a reputation. 168 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:34,839 Speaker 1: And she tells a story in our source material that 169 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,639 is well, it's just startling. She recounts being at a 170 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,920 formal meeting, some kind of dinner or event, and she 171 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,759 found herself sitting with two physicists who worked at CERNE. 172 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,959 Speaker 2: One from the main Geneva site, one from a partner 173 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,439 facility in Portugal. 174 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: I believe right. And she saw her opportunity, and she 175 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,759 asked them a question. And the way she phrased it 176 00:07:55,839 --> 00:07:57,319 is so important it is. 177 00:07:57,399 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: She didn't ask are there other dimensions? 178 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:02,639 Speaker 1: No, she did ask is it theoretically possible? She leans 179 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,879 in and asks how many dimensions are officially living in 180 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:06,360 the cern? 181 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: Officially living like it's common knowledge among the staff, Like 182 00:08:10,759 --> 00:08:13,680 she was asking how many floors are in the building exactly. 183 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,319 Speaker 1: It implies a baseline of knowledge and their answer. They 184 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,720 didn't laugh, they didn't look confused. 185 00:08:18,759 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: The answered immediately and they both said the same. 186 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: Thing, seventeen seventeen. Okay, hold on, let's unpack that, because 187 00:08:26,759 --> 00:08:28,720 my brain doesn't work that way. I live in three 188 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,360 dimensions left, right, forward, back up down the. 189 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Three spatial dimensions. 190 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: Yes, that's the fourth one, right, that's what Einstein said, 191 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:39,120 So I can comprehend four dimensions. That's the reality I experience. 192 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,120 Where in God's name are the other thirteen coming from? 193 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 2: So this is where mainstream theoretical physics actually does get 194 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,720 pretty wild. To make all the math work, especially to 195 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,759 unite gravity with quantum mechanics, theories like string theory and 196 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,120 m theory require extra dimensions. 197 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: I've heard of string theory. It's the idea that particles 198 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,240 are just tiny vibrating. 199 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:03,879 Speaker 2: In a nutshell. Yes, but for the vibrations of those 200 00:09:03,919 --> 00:09:06,840 strains to create all the different particles we see, they 201 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,200 need more room to vibrate. They need more dimensions. Usually 202 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,720 the theories call for ten or eleven total dimensions. 203 00:09:12,759 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so ten or eleven is already a lot, But 204 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,799 they said seventeen. That's not ten. 205 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:21,279 Speaker 2: It's not it's a very specific and much higher number 206 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,519 and the was Stuckelberger describes their tone, it wasn't that 207 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,840 well our theory suggests there could be. It was a 208 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:32,559 statement of fact. To them. It was operational knowledge. We 209 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,600 are working with seventeen dimensions. 210 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:36,879 Speaker 1: That confidence is what gets me. It makes it sound 211 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:39,919 less like a theory and more like an engineering schematic, 212 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,919 like they have a map of these other places. 213 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: And if you have a map and you have a 214 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:46,559 machine powerful enough to punch a hole in. 215 00:09:46,519 --> 00:09:49,519 Speaker 1: The paper, then you connect this back to Sergio Bridgelucci's 216 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:53,399 quote about opening a door. It stops being in metaphor entirely. 217 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,159 Speaker 2: It becomes a literal description of a function of the machine. 218 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:01,159 If you're operating in a seventeen dimensional space, opening a 219 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,720 door between say our familiar four dimensions and dimension number 220 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,399 eight becomes a technical procedure. 221 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: And that's what has people so freaked out. The idea 222 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,720 that with the energies they're using, which are concentrations of 223 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:14,360 power that don't exist naturally anywhere in our solar system, 224 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,799 they are powerful enough to destabilize the barriers between these 225 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:18,519 states of being. 226 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: They are, as one source put it, punching a hole 227 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:24,559 in the fabric of space time with a very hot needle. 228 00:10:25,039 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: And you know this wasn't just a concern for theorists 229 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,879 after the fact. The fear was there from the very beginning, 230 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,559 before they even flip the switch. 231 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: The legal panic of two thousand and eight. 232 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: Yes, I remember seeing headlines about this back then, but 233 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,840 I kind of dismissed it. You know, you see lawsuit 234 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,279 to stop science and you think it's just luddites who 235 00:10:42,279 --> 00:10:43,360 are afraid of progress. 236 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 2: But it was more serious than that. The lawsuits falled 237 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,720 in both the US and in Europe weren't just from 238 00:10:48,799 --> 00:10:51,519 random people. One of the lead plaintiffs was a man 239 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,559 named Walter Wagner. His job was literally nuclear safety officer. 240 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,639 He understood risk assessment for high energy events. 241 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: So what was he afraid of? Specifically, not just a 242 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,559 big explosion. 243 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: It was much much weirder and more terrifying. The first 244 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,840 fear was the creation of stable, microscopic black holes. 245 00:11:10,039 --> 00:11:10,879 Speaker 1: Little black holes. 246 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: Yes. The idea is that the collisions would be so 247 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:17,039 energetic they could compress matter so densely it would collapse 248 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,799 into a black hole. Now, standard physics Stephen Hawking's work 249 00:11:21,039 --> 00:11:23,879 says these should evaporate almost instantly. 250 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: Right Hawking radiation. 251 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: But Wagner and his group were worried about the what if. 252 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:30,759 What if the theory is wrong? What if one of 253 00:11:30,799 --> 00:11:34,039 these micro black holes doesn't evaporate. What if it's stable. 254 00:11:34,159 --> 00:11:38,559 What happens then, Well, it would have mass and gravity. 255 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:41,000 It would fall through the floor of the collider, through 256 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:43,240 the three hundred feet of Earth, and head straight for 257 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,399 the center of the planet, and it would just start 258 00:11:45,879 --> 00:11:51,120 eating slowly, particle by particle, consuming the Earth from the 259 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,240 core outwards. 260 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:55,799 Speaker 1: That is a uniquely horrifying way for the world to end, 261 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,879 not with a bang, but with a gulp. 262 00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: But that wasn't even their biggest fear. 263 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:00,399 Speaker 1: It gets that's worse. 264 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. The other thing they were worried about was 265 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:04,200 something called a strange lit. 266 00:12:04,399 --> 00:12:07,039 Speaker 1: A strange lit it sounds almost cute. 267 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,519 Speaker 2: It is the opposite of cute. A strange lit is 268 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,120 a hypothetical clump of matter made of strange quirks. The 269 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,679 theory is that strange matter might be the most stable 270 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,440 form of matter in the universe, more stable than the 271 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:21,799 normal protons and neutrons that make up well everything. So 272 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,120 the fair is, if you create a stable strange lit 273 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:28,159 and it comes into contact with normal matter like the 274 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,879 wall of the detector or an air molecule. It could 275 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:32,879 trigger a conversion, a chain. 276 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: Reaction, a chain reaction of what. 277 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: It would convert the normal matter it touches into more 278 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,919 strange matter, which would then touch other matter and convert that. 279 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,399 It'd be an exponential planet wide conversion event that turns 280 00:12:45,399 --> 00:12:48,679 the entire Earth into a hot, dead lump of strange matter. 281 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,759 Speaker 1: The Ice nine scenario from Kurt Vonnegut's book precisely. 282 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, a single seed that crystallizes the whole planet into 283 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,039 something else, the end of everything in an instant. 284 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: So these are the stakes. These are the things that 285 00:13:01,879 --> 00:13:04,919 a nuclear safety expert was suing to prevent. And what 286 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,879 did the courts say? 287 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 2: This is the crucial detail our sources uncovered. The courts 288 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,799 threw the cases out, But they didn't throw them out 289 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:12,840 on the merits of the science. 290 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: What do you mean. 291 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,399 Speaker 2: They never issued a ruling that said we have reviewed 292 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,600 the evidence and we find that the LHC is safe. 293 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,080 They didn't do that. The US court dismissed the case 294 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,279 on jurisdictional grounds. 295 00:13:23,399 --> 00:13:24,639 Speaker 1: Wait on a technicality. 296 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: Yes, they essentially said, this machine is in Europe. We 297 00:13:29,159 --> 00:13:32,080 are a court in Hawaii. We have no authority to 298 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,000 tell the European Organization what to do. 299 00:13:34,279 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: So they didn't say it was safe, They just said 300 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,159 they couldn't stop it. 301 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,039 Speaker 2: That's the nuance. The green light wasn't a safety certification 302 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,159 from an outside body. It was a legal shrug, and 303 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,240 so with the legal challenges. 304 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Out of the way, they turned it on. And this 305 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:49,279 is where we have to look at the calendar, because 306 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,799 the timing of when this all happened and when the 307 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,120 world started to feel weird, it's just too perfect to 308 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:56,919 be a coincidence. 309 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: The correlation is striking. The sources map it out very clearly. 310 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,120 For US September tenth, two thousand and eight, the LHC 311 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:08,559 circulates its first beam of protons. The machine is officially online. 312 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: Okay, two thousand and eight. 313 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,159 Speaker 2: Now, they had a pretty big setback just nine days later. 314 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,279 A faulty electrical connection between two magnets melted, causing a 315 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,840 massive leak of liquid helium. It was a big mass, 316 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:19,799 caused a lot of damage. 317 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: So it wasn't running full power right away. 318 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,039 Speaker 2: No. It took them over a year to do the 319 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:26,879 repairs and upgrades, but by November of two thousand and 320 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,759 nine they were back in business. They achieved their first 321 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,200 recorded proton collisions, and through twenty ten they just kept 322 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:36,360 ramping up the energy higher and higher. 323 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:38,919 Speaker 1: So the real high energy action starts around late two 324 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:40,559 thousand and nine, early twenty ten. 325 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: Exactly. Now, what else happened in two thousand and nine? 326 00:14:43,679 --> 00:14:45,559 Speaker 1: This is it? This is the moment. 327 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:48,639 Speaker 2: A paranormal researcher and writer named Fiona Broom is at 328 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:52,039 a convention greg and conn She's talking with people and 329 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,960 discovers that many of them share her distinct memory of 330 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:57,759 Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the nineteen. 331 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,879 Speaker 1: Eighties, a memory that is in our current reality completely. 332 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:04,759 Speaker 2: False, completely, and she realizes this is a widespread phenomenon. 333 00:15:04,799 --> 00:15:07,080 She starts a website to document it, and she gives 334 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,720 it a name. She calls it the Mandela Effect, coined in. 335 00:15:09,639 --> 00:15:12,759 Speaker 1: Two thousand and nine, right as the most powerful reality 336 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,080 bending machine in history is being turned on. 337 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: Is it a coincidence? Maybe, But for the theorists, this 338 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:20,440 is the smoking gun. You have the cause and the 339 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:21,879 effect happening in the same year. 340 00:15:22,159 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: And we have to be really clear about what the 341 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Mandel effect is because people dismiss it so easily. Skeptics 342 00:15:27,679 --> 00:15:28,960 just say, oh, people have bad. 343 00:15:28,799 --> 00:15:31,799 Speaker 2: Memories, and that's a fair starting point. But this isn't 344 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,720 just bad memory. Forgetting your anniversary is bad memory. 345 00:15:34,759 --> 00:15:37,679 Speaker 1: That's a lack of information, right, it's a blank space 346 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:38,279 in your head. 347 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: The Mandela effect isn't a blank space. It's the opposite. 348 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,120 It's the presence of a vivid, detailed, incorrect piece of 349 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,120 information that is shared by a massive group of otherwise 350 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,159 unconnected people. 351 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: The Nelson Mandela example is the perfect one. People don't 352 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,840 just vaguely think he died. They remember seeing it on 353 00:15:56,879 --> 00:15:59,720 the news, they remember the funeral broadcasts, they remember his 354 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,600 wife giving speeches. It's a complete narrative, a. 355 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:06,679 Speaker 2: Narrative that exists in the minds of millions, but not 356 00:16:06,879 --> 00:16:10,279 in any history book. He was released from prison, became president, 357 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:12,840 and died a celebrated hero in twenty thirteen. 358 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:16,879 Speaker 1: So the theory that connects these two events, the LHC 359 00:16:17,039 --> 00:16:19,679 turning on and the Mendela effect being named, is that 360 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,600 it's not a memory error at all. 361 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,759 Speaker 2: The theory is that it's a symptom. It's evidence that 362 00:16:24,799 --> 00:16:28,240 our consciousness has been shifted, that we jumped from the 363 00:16:28,279 --> 00:16:31,200 timeline where Mandela died in prison to this one where 364 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,720 he didn't, and all we brought with us was the 365 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:35,320 memory of the way things used to be. 366 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:39,799 Speaker 1: So let's get into the evidence, the glitches, the little 367 00:16:39,799 --> 00:16:42,440 details that just feel wrong. The sources gave us a 368 00:16:42,519 --> 00:16:46,519 huge list, and some of these they genuinely made me angry, 369 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,759 like my own brain was gaslating me. 370 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,559 Speaker 2: Let's run through the Where do you want to start? 371 00:16:50,679 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: We have to start with the monopoly man Ridge, Uncle Pennybags. 372 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:57,759 I want everyone listening right now to close your eyes 373 00:16:57,799 --> 00:17:02,039 and picture him. Top ATXO came now. 374 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 2: It's on his face, a monoicle. Almost everyone says a monoicle. 375 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,920 It's part of the archetype, the Gilded age tycoon. 376 00:17:07,039 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: He does not have one. He has never ever, in 377 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:11,160 any version of the game, had a monocle. 378 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: It's so jarring when you look it up. His face 379 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,160 looks naked without it. 380 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: It looks wrong. But this is where it gets crazy. 381 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,279 The source material points out what they call residue, little 382 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:21,359 fossils left over from the old timeline. 383 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 2: The Ace Ventura Pet Detective movie, Yes. 384 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,599 Speaker 1: The Jim Carrey movie from nineteen ninety four. There is 385 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,160 a scene where Ace is at a fancy party and 386 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,039 he confronts this pompous guy who's wearing a tuxedo, and 387 00:17:34,079 --> 00:17:37,680 what's on the guy's face monocle a monocle, and Ace 388 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,359 mocks him, called him the monopoly guy and then punches him. 389 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,720 The entire joke, the whole cultural reference only works if 390 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:48,440 the audience knows that the monopoly man wears a monocle. 391 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 2: It's a fascinating point. If that association didn't exist in 392 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,240 nineteen ninety four, the joke would fall flat. It's like 393 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,680 a comedic fossil. It's proof that in the reality where 394 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,759 that script was written existed. 395 00:18:00,839 --> 00:18:03,839 Speaker 1: The reality changed, but the pop culture reference to the 396 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,079 old reality somehow survived the shift. Okay, next one. This 397 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,200 one gets a lot of people. Pikachu, the face of Pokemon. 398 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:12,519 Speaker 2: Describe as tail. It's yellow, it's shaped like a lightning bolt, 399 00:18:12,519 --> 00:18:13,680 and the tip is black. 400 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: A lot of people will say with one hundred percent 401 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,000 certainty that it has a black tip. 402 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 2: It does not. It has never had a black tip. 403 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,680 His ears have black tips. The tail is solid yellow 404 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,519 except for a bit of brown at the base. And 405 00:18:23,559 --> 00:18:26,319 this one is interesting from a psychological perspective because you 406 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,680 could argue it's schema confusion. The brain sees black tips 407 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,559 on the ears and just mistakenly applies that pattern to 408 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:35,359 the tail as well. 409 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,039 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a plausible counter argument. But why does everyone 410 00:18:39,079 --> 00:18:41,359 make the same mistake? Why not a brown tip to 411 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,839 match the base? Why specifically black? And why do people 412 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,960 have memories of coloring it in that way in coloring books. 413 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,319 Speaker 2: The consistency of the error is what's so hard to 414 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:52,039 explain away. 415 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,039 Speaker 1: This one is my personal white whale. The Fruit of 416 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:57,759 the Loom logo the underwear brand. You know the logo. 417 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:00,319 It's a pile of fruit, apples, grapes, some lee ves. 418 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:01,839 What is behind the fruit? 419 00:19:02,079 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 2: There's a cornicopia, a wicker horn of plenty. 420 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,039 Speaker 1: I can see it. I can see the woven texture 421 00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,319 of the basket, brown, curving up to the right. It 422 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,680 is burned into my brain. 423 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:11,519 Speaker 2: It was never there. 424 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: It was never there. If you look at their logo 425 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:16,440 history going back over one hundred years, it's always just 426 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,279 been the fruit, no basket, no cornicopia. 427 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 2: That one actually gives me a feeling of vertigo. It 428 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:23,640 feels fundamentally wrong. 429 00:19:24,079 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 1: It's so wrong, and the residue on this one is powerful. 430 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,440 People report in huge numbers that they learned the word 431 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,160 cornicopia from that logo. As a child, they ask their 432 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,000 parents what's that horn thing? And the parents said, that's 433 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:37,920 a cornicopia. 434 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 2: How can thousands of people share that identical, specific childhood 435 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:45,440 memory about an object that didn't exist. That's not just 436 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,960 schema confusion. That's a created event. 437 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: Let's do a lightning round. Pop culture mismatches C three 438 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,359 po from Star Wars. 439 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 2: All Gold, Yeah, everyone remembers him as being all gold. 440 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,039 Speaker 1: He has a silver leg, the right one from the 441 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,079 knee down. It's been there since nineteen seventy seven. 442 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 2: It's shocking when you go back and look. It's not subtle, 443 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:03,720 not at all. 444 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:06,039 Speaker 1: Mickey Mouse, what's holding up his red shorts? 445 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: Suspenders? 446 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: Nope, just two big white buttons. No suspenders ever. 447 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 2: Tinkerbell in the classic Disney intro flying over the Castle. 448 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:16,799 Speaker 1: She flies up, waves her wand and dots the eye 449 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,799 and the Disney logo with a spark of magic. 450 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,559 Speaker 2: She doesn't. She flies in an arc over the castle 451 00:20:21,599 --> 00:20:25,559 and the words appear. No eye is ever dotted. That 452 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:27,960 entire visual is a collective fabrication. 453 00:20:28,279 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: And what about the Mona Lisa? We all know the painting. 454 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,480 Does she smiling or she not well? 455 00:20:33,519 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: The whole mystery is her enigmatic expression, right. It's kind 456 00:20:36,759 --> 00:20:39,759 of a half smile, maybe a smirk. It's ambiguous. 457 00:20:40,079 --> 00:20:43,759 Speaker 1: In this reality, she is clearly unambiguously smiling. It's not 458 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,640 subtle at all. But countless people remember her being completely 459 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,880 emotionless or even frowning, which is what made her expression 460 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,400 so mysterious in the first place. 461 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,759 Speaker 2: So the very thing that made the painting famous has been. 462 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: Altered, it seems so. Then there's the movie that doesn't exist, 463 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,400 the movie Shazam. 464 00:21:01,079 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: Oh, the Sinbad genie movie. 465 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: Exactly thousands, maybe millions of people from the nineties have 466 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,200 a clear memory of a comedy movie starring the comedian 467 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:11,880 Sinbad as a bumbling genie named Shazam. 468 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,079 Speaker 2: I remember my friends talking about it. I feel like 469 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,519 I've seen the video cassette cover in a Blockbuster orange 470 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,160 and purple. 471 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,519 Speaker 1: It does not exist. It was never made. People say 472 00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:23,839 they're confusing it with the movie Kazam, which starred Shaquille 473 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:25,039 O'Neill as a genie. 474 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: But people who remember Shazam are adamant. They say, no, 475 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,720 I know Shaq's movie. This was different, This was Sindbad. 476 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,759 Sinbad himself has gone on record multiple times, saying he 477 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:35,680 never made that movie. 478 00:21:35,759 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: It's a phantom film that lives only in our collective memory. 479 00:21:39,519 --> 00:21:41,400 Now let's talk about the movie lines. This is where 480 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:45,000 it gets really unsettling, because these quotes are part of 481 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:45,599 our culture. 482 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 2: They're on t shirts, they're memes. 483 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: Big One Star Wars, The Empire strikes back. Darth Vader 484 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,759 reveals the truth to Luke. 485 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,519 Speaker 2: What does he say, Luke, I am your father. 486 00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: It's one of the most famous lines in cinema hit 487 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,359 except he never says Luke. The line is no, I 488 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:04,079 am your father. 489 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,519 Speaker 2: Wow. That changes the whole rhythm of it. Luke, I 490 00:22:07,559 --> 00:22:10,200 am your father is a pronouncement. No I am your 491 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,319 father is just a rebuttal. 492 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: It's so much less powerful or snow white. The Evil 493 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,359 Queen goes to her. 494 00:22:16,319 --> 00:22:18,759 Speaker 2: Mirror, dear mirror on the wall, who's the fairest of 495 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:19,160 them all? 496 00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 1: It's magic mirror on the wall. No way, Yes, wait, 497 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,240 go watch the clip Magic mirror Silence at the Lambs, 498 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,839 Hannibal Lecter's first meeting with Clarice Starling. 499 00:22:27,079 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: Hello, Clarice Chilling. 500 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: He never says it. He says good morning, but he 501 00:22:31,759 --> 00:22:34,039 never says that iconic line in that way. 502 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: That's impossible. That line is the whole character. 503 00:22:36,599 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: The famous line from Forrest Gump. My mom always said 504 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,559 life is like a box of chocolates. 505 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 2: In the movie, he says life was like a box 506 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,920 of chocolates past tense. But that doesn't make any sense. 507 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,640 The metaphor is about the present and future. You never 508 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,319 know what you're gonna get. Why would he use the 509 00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:52,960 past tense. 510 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: It's chrammatically awkward. It feels like a bad edit, like 511 00:22:56,759 --> 00:22:59,359 reality was patched, but the patch has bugs in it, and. 512 00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: The spellings Berenstain bears. How do you spell it. 513 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: B e r e n s t e i N. 514 00:23:05,319 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 2: Nope, it's b e r e n s t a 515 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,359 i n. It always has been in this timeline. 516 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: I refuse to accept that one. I can see the 517 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,119 E on the book cover in my childhood bedroom. 518 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,519 Speaker 2: Looney Tunes, the cartoons c. 519 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: O nns like cartoons. 520 00:23:18,759 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: It's t u n e s as in musical tunes. 521 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,799 Mary melodies looney Tunes. It was always a musical reference. 522 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 1: So we have all these glitches, dozens hundreds of them, 523 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,279 tiny little details of reality that are just wrong. How 524 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:34,519 do we explain this if we take it seriously? What 525 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,240 is the mechanism. This brings us to the theories, and 526 00:23:38,319 --> 00:23:41,039 our sources point to one particularly interesting idea from a 527 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,680 kid named Max Laffin. He's been called a prodigy, the 528 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,720 world's smartest kid, and. 529 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 2: He has a theory that connects it directly back to 530 00:23:48,759 --> 00:23:52,160 the LHC. He doesn't think it was an accident. He 531 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,720 thinks they altered a fundamental constant of the universe. 532 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,880 Speaker 1: Specifically, he says, the experiments at Cerne altered the weight 533 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:00,000 of a single. 534 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 2: Election, and that sounds incredibly small and insignificant. An electron 535 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,119 weighs almost nothing. 536 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Right, who cares? 537 00:24:05,759 --> 00:24:10,279 Speaker 2: But physics cares. The entire universe is a beautifully balanced equation. 538 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:14,480 The values of these fundamental constants, the speed of light, 539 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,480 the charge of an electron, the strength of gravity, are 540 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:21,119 tuned with impossible precision. If you change one of them, 541 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,960 even by a microscopic amount, the. 542 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,559 Speaker 1: Whole equation becomes unbalanced. 543 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 2: You through the entire universe out of balance. Yea and 544 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480 loss theory is that this tiny shift was enough to 545 00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:34,839 knock us sideways, to push our entire reality, our collective consciousness, 546 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,880 into a neighboring parallel universe. 547 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,319 Speaker 1: So the multiverse theory which is actually a pretty mainstream 548 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:41,240 idea in physics. 549 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 2: Now, oh absolutely, the idea that there are an infinite 550 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,680 number of parallel realities is taken very seriously. Think of 551 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,039 them like pages in a book, stacked infinite tesimbly close 552 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:54,440 to each other. We were living our lives on page four. 553 00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: Concern with its unprecedented energy was like poking the book 554 00:24:58,759 --> 00:25:01,920 with the red hot needles so hard that it punched through. 555 00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: The paper, and we all bled through onto page five. 556 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: And page five is almost identical to page four. It's 557 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,519 like a ninety nine point nine percent match. 558 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,039 Speaker 2: That's the key. The laws of physics are the same, 559 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,279 history is mostly the same. You're still you, I'm still me, 560 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,119 but the tiny details are different. On page five, the 561 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,200 peanut butter is called Jeff, not Jiffy. The bears are 562 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,160 spelled with an A. Vader says no, not luke. 563 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: Which explains why the world feels familiar. But just like 564 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:30,000 you came home to your house but someone moved all 565 00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:32,400 the furniture one inch to the left. You can't prove it, 566 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,799 but you feel it in your bones. Something isn't right, And. 567 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 2: Our consciousness, having originated on page four, retains the memory 568 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,240 of the way things were. Our brains are the only 569 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,200 record of the previous universe. The physical world of page 570 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,400 five says we're wrong, but our internal record screams that 571 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:47,799 were right. 572 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,039 Speaker 1: Okay, we have to play devil's advocate here. We have 573 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:54,240 to give this skeptical psychological explanation. It's fair shake. The 574 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:57,640 source material calls it the perception illusion, right. 575 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,319 Speaker 2: This is the argument that this is all in our 576 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,599 heads and nothing due to particle physics. The brain is 577 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,160 not a perfect recording device. It's a suggestion engine. 578 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,279 Speaker 1: They use. That Coca cola can example, it's an optical illusion. 579 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:11,160 You can find it online. It's a picture of a 580 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,960 coke can that looks red. Your brain swears it's red, But. 581 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: If you use a tool to analyze the actual pixels 582 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,240 in the image, you find there is not a single 583 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:22,920 red pixel in it. It's all grays and science. Your 584 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,920 brain paints the red on top of it because it 585 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,839 knows from past experience that coke cans are red. 586 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: So your brain isn't showing you reality, it's showing you 587 00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:33,200 what it expects reality to be exactly. 588 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,559 Speaker 2: So the argument is, we expect a rich old timey 589 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,640 character to have a monocle, so our brain gives the 590 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,559 monopoly man one. We expect a pile of fruit to 591 00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,799 come into basket, so we add a cornucopia to the 592 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,519 fruit of the loom logo. It's confabulation. It's our brain 593 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,880 filling in the gaps with plausible information that makes sense for. 594 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,759 Speaker 1: Some of them. I can see that, but it feels 595 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,599 too convenient for others. It doesn't explain the specificity. Why 596 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,200 does everyone fill in the gap with the exact same monocle? 597 00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:01,000 Why not a cigar or a top hat? 598 00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,759 Speaker 2: And it really struggles to explain the linguistic changes. Magic 599 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,640 mirror on the wall versus mirror mirror. One isn't more 600 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,119 plausible than the other. They're just different words. There's no 601 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,279 psychological gap to fill in. It's just a memory of 602 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:16,079 a different script. 603 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: That's where the purely psychological exclanation feels a little thin 604 00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,680 to me. It explains the general mechanism of false memory, 605 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,720 but not the bizarrely specific and shared nature of these examples. 606 00:27:26,759 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: The consistency is the mystery. 607 00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: So let's zoom out again. Let's talk about the place, 608 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,359 because where cern is built is not random. It's not 609 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,880 just some flat, convenient piece of land. 610 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 2: No it's very specific. The official reasons are you know, 611 00:27:40,279 --> 00:27:44,920 Mundane Geneva is politically neutral, it's centrally located, the ground 612 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:46,200 is stable for construction. 613 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: But the sources point to a much stranger geological context. 614 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,079 The LHC Ring is built right at the foot of 615 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,839 the Mont Blanc Massive, which is. 616 00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: The highest mountain range in Western Europe, a huge concentration 617 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:00,319 of mass in geological pressure. 618 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: And the ground there is riddled with complex fault lines 619 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,319 and crucially, massive deposits of quartz crystal. 620 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: In quartz under pressure exhibits a property called the piezoelectric effect. 621 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: Right you squeeze it, it creates electricity. It's how the 622 00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,799 sparker on a gas grill works exactly. 623 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: So what you have naturally in that region is a 624 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,559 giant mountain range putting immense tectonic pressure on a huge 625 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:25,640 bed of quartz crystals. 626 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: Which means the entire area is a natural geological battery, 627 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,559 constantly generating its own electromagnetic fields. 628 00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 2: It is a geologically high energy. 629 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,559 Speaker 1: Location, and that is where humanity decided to build its 630 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:42,000 seventeen mile long super cooled superconducting electromagnet. 631 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 2: It seems like an odd choice if all you wanted 632 00:28:43,519 --> 00:28:46,839 was stable ground. You're building an incredibly sensitive machine that 633 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,599 manipulates electromagnetic fields directly on top of a giant, unpredictable 634 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,000 natural electromagnetic generator. 635 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,039 Speaker 1: Unless you're doing it on purpose, unless you need that 636 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,000 natural energy. 637 00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: That's the speculation. The source drug from the location of 638 00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,400 Cern to the location of ancient megalithic sites, the Pyramids 639 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,279 of Giza, Stonehenge, Machu Pichu. 640 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: The energy grid or lay line theory, the idea that 641 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,000 these ancient sites weren't built in random places. 642 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: They were built on specific nodes, intersections of magnetic lines, 643 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:23,480 astronomical alignments, geological features. The ancients, this theory goes, knew 644 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:26,039 where the Earth's energy was strongest, and they built their 645 00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:28,400 temples and observatories there to tap into it. 646 00:29:28,839 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: So is CERN a modern temple, a technological stonehenge built 647 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,319 on an ancient power spot to amplify whatever it is 648 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:37,079 they're trying to do. 649 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: It's a compelling thought that modern science, knowingly or not, 650 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,160 was drawn to the same kind of energetic location that 651 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,200 ancient mystics were. 652 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,759 Speaker 1: It all leads to this final, really troubling philosophical point 653 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,680 that the sources raise something they called a trust gap. 654 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,319 Speaker 2: The verification problem, and for me, this is the core 655 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:55,160 of the whole issue. 656 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: Explain it. 657 00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: Think about what science at this level asks of us 658 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:04,599 the general public. Cern publishes a paper, they say we've 659 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,079 discovered the Higgs boson, or we're investigating dark matter, or 660 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,240 we're creating quantum wormholes. Can you personally verify any of that? 661 00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I don't have a multi billion dollar particle collider. 662 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,359 I can't see a quark. I wouldn't even know how 663 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:24,160 to begin to read their raw data. 664 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: None of us can. We lack the tools, the training, 665 00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,440 the access. So when they tell us about the nature 666 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,279 of the invisible world, we have two choices believe them 667 00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:34,440 or don't, but we can't check their work. 668 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: So trust replaces verification. 669 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,519 Speaker 2: That's the phrase. It becomes a matter of faith. It's 670 00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:42,160 a modern scientific priesthood. They perform the rituals in their 671 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,920 underground sanctuary, and then they come up and tell arrested 672 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,839 us what they found. They tell us what reality is 673 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,319 made of, and. 674 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:48,799 Speaker 1: We just have to nod and accept it. And when 675 00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,960 they say, don't worry, the machine is perfectly safe, we 676 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,079 have to trust them. When they say, no, we didn't 677 00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:56,839 accidentally shift everyone into a parallel universe. We are forced 678 00:30:56,839 --> 00:30:57,920 to take their word for it. 679 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,599 Speaker 2: Even if our own senses, our own memories are screaming 680 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:04,200 that something is wrong. We are told to trust the 681 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,160 instrument readouts over our own lived experience. 682 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: And now they want to build a bigger one. The 683 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,759 sources mention the plans for a future circular collider. 684 00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: Yes, the FCC a ninety one kilometer ring. It's almost 685 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,759 sixty miles round, nearly four times the size and many, 686 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,880 many times the power of the current LAC. 687 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,839 Speaker 1: If the seventeen mile ring was enough to knock us 688 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,240 one page over in the book of reality, what does 689 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,839 a sixty mile ring do? 690 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: Does it throw us ten pages over one hundred? 691 00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: Or does it just rip the book to shreds. 692 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,039 Speaker 2: We don't know, And that's the point. We are being 693 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:39,720 asked to trust them again with even higher stakes, based 694 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,240 on a track record that for many people includes the 695 00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:44,640 complete destabilization of their perceived reality. 696 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: So let's try and wrap this all up. We have 697 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960 a machine built by its own director's admission to open 698 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,680 doors to other dimensions, a. 699 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,599 Speaker 2: Machine located on what could be considered a natural energy 700 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,960 amplifier on the planet. 701 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: Its activation timeline aligns perfectly with the mass collective excit 702 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,079 experience of memory glitches and a feeling that the world is. 703 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,799 Speaker 2: Off and it all operates in a realm of physics 704 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,599 so complex that ninety nine point nine percent of the 705 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:12,319 world's population has no choice but to simply trust what 706 00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:13,640 the scientists say is happening. 707 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,119 Speaker 1: What it suggests is that reality is not the fixed, 708 00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:21,519 solid thing we think it is. It's malleable, it's editable, 709 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,759 and maybe, just maybe someone edited it in two thousand 710 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:26,039 and eight. 711 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:29,319 Speaker 2: And this leads to the final, most profound provocation in 712 00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,920 all of this. If reality was changed, where did the 713 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,400 evidence of the old world go? 714 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: Right? If the berenstainin Bear's books were always spelled with 715 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:40,400 an A, then every copy in every library should. 716 00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:42,119 Speaker 2: Have in A, and they do. If the Fruit of 717 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:45,000 the Loom logo never had a cornucopia, then every old 718 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,119 T shirt in your attic should be cornucopia free. 719 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,599 Speaker 1: The physical evidence would shift along with reality itself, because 720 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,359 it's all part of the same fabric. The DVDs, the books, 721 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,000 the Internet archives, they would all reflect the new page 722 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,720 five reality. 723 00:32:58,079 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: So what's the only thing that could survive this show? 724 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:01,960 It's the only thing that isn't purely. 725 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,759 Speaker 1: Physical consciousness, human memory. 726 00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 2: Our minds might be the black box flight recorder from 727 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,400 the old universe, the only record of the crash, the 728 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,240 only proof that page four ever exists. 729 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,119 Speaker 1: Is so we're where are the ghosts? We are walking 730 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,759 artifacts from a timeline that has been erased. 731 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: It's a staggering thought. 732 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,599 Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, I think I think that's a lot to process. Yeah, 733 00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:23,799 but we can't end this without turning the question over 734 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,279 to you, the person listening to this. 735 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: Right now, we've laid out the evidence from our sources. 736 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,359 We've listed the examples, the monopoly man's monocle, the fruit 737 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,559 of the loom, cornucopia. Luke, I am your father. 738 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,599 Speaker 1: I need you to just stop for a second. Don't 739 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:39,839 google it, don't look it up. The internet will only 740 00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:42,440 tell you the current version of things. Just check in 741 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,680 with your own memory. What do you remember? 742 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 2: Do your memories line up with the official history books 743 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,559 of this reality or do they align with this other 744 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:53,440 phantom timeline that so many of us seem to share. 745 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,319 Speaker 1: We have a comment and tell us do you think 746 00:33:55,359 --> 00:33:58,000 we shifted realities in two thousand and eight? Is cer 747 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,759 responsible or is this all just a grand fascinating trick 748 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,920 of the human mind. We really want to read your theories. 749 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 2: Because whatever the answer is, it means the world is 750 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,199 a much stranger and more mysterious place than we're told. 751 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,199 Speaker 1: It certainly is. Thanks for listening to thrilling threads. Keep 752 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:14,960 pulling the string.