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<v Speaker 1>We're back on the drive with ESPNS Dave mcmanimon joining

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<v Speaker 1>us for today's NBA Daily Assist Eastern Conference Finals Game one.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight's world's most famous arena, Midtown Manhattan for Penn Plaza

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<v Speaker 1>Nicks Pacers, which brings up a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of emotion, a lot of memories.

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<v Speaker 2>The West got going last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Will bring a little lightness to what's other otherwise been

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<v Speaker 1>a very heavy show with some of the local news

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<v Speaker 1>around here. Dave mcminnimon is our guest. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>Hoop Collective, Dave is the slowest of the NBA riders

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<v Speaker 1>to file his pieces at ESPN dot com. Dave, do

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<v Speaker 1>you care to confirm or deny?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I just want to know who dropped that line

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<v Speaker 3>on me. It will depend on my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>It was McMahon and then and then cooperated by win

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<v Speaker 1>Horse and Bontemps, that you by far the slowest to

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<v Speaker 1>file your pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 3>I may just have more of an art and a craft,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they might be up in burgers and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>putting together a meal for my readers. So that would

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<v Speaker 3>be my response to that. So McMahon left buy what

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<v Speaker 3>seven or eight minutes prior to me yesterday, and he's

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<v Speaker 3>taken a victory lap for that. Okay, good for you too.

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<v Speaker 2>So the real question is in general, who is the slowest?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it might be true, that might be true

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<v Speaker 3>on the slowest. Yeah, you know. I also think I

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<v Speaker 3>have more of a vocabulary rolodex in my mind to

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<v Speaker 3>flip through than they do.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love it. Where do we Where do we

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<v Speaker 2>find you? On this fine Wednesday?

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<v Speaker 3>Dave Oklahoma City, digesting what was a fun first half

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<v Speaker 3>and a avalanche of a thunder wing in the second half,

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<v Speaker 3>and wondering what type of series we're going to get. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 3>the Wolves were pretty confident group today at practice, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's underteam. It's not like they played their best either.

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<v Speaker 3>Shay Gillis yells and Shay Gilders I was inner starts

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<v Speaker 3>off in Game two for thirteen. They still win by

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six points, So we'll see how this series goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Acknowledging that I do not live in the center of Milan,

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<v Speaker 1>I will ask you what does one do on his

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<v Speaker 1>day off?

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<v Speaker 2>In Oklahoma City?

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<v Speaker 3>Worked? And then actually McMahon and I found a little

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<v Speaker 3>pickup game with some of the OKC writers. So's play

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<v Speaker 3>a little hoops and then do a little slow writing

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<v Speaker 3>after I'm done with you, and then I watch the

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<v Speaker 3>next game.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't sound to be too thrilled to be in

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City? Am I reading this directly?

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay, It's okay. It's a bit of a hike

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<v Speaker 3>to get to, not a Delta direct type of city,

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<v Speaker 3>and so you know, that makes it a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more cumbersome. But it is a great atmosphere for the games,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm here for the games. So yeah, no, no

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<v Speaker 3>real complaints there.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you rather be an Okay See or salt Lake?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, a direct and a lot closer. So I'll go

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<v Speaker 3>salt Lake all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of the route, Dave, outside of just your flights,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not bad living around here, man, outside of just

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<v Speaker 1>your delta mind.

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<v Speaker 3>I enjoy where I stay. You know, actually, there's I've

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<v Speaker 3>expanded my palette. There's a few marriottes. I'll stay in

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<v Speaker 3>downtown salt Lake now, and I do enjoy the walk

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<v Speaker 3>to the arena and back, and you know some of

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<v Speaker 3>the spots I've been to over the years. So I

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<v Speaker 3>enjoy salt Lake in the city. No shade being thrown

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<v Speaker 3>by me right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The best you can do.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy the walk to the freaking arena, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>two blocks from my marria. You know what, challenge Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>next time you're here. I don't know when that will be.

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<v Speaker 1>Hit me up and I'm going to show you the city. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty of things about Salt Lake you need

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<v Speaker 1>to experience it. Clearly you have and if your best

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<v Speaker 1>part is the two block walk to the arena.

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<v Speaker 3>Down, I'm absolutely domb for that, because yeah, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to like think of I've been red Iguana of course,

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<v Speaker 3>which a very you know, that was very good Mexican meal.

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<v Speaker 3>I do do PF Changs a lot in Salt Lake City,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm not knocking Pfchangs, but I'm sure there are

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<v Speaker 3>some better non chain restaurants that you guys have to offer.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I'll take you up on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you just drop a PF Chang's on me? What

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to Chili's before for lunch?

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<v Speaker 3>It's on the route.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, Day mcminimon's Salt Lake City fan because he gets

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<v Speaker 1>PF Changs on his walk to the Delta Center. My goodness, Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we can move on. So look, last night

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<v Speaker 1>an example of something that we've all seen. Dude, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that anybody left has that ceiling o case

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<v Speaker 1>he hits when they hit that ceiling. Now, we know

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<v Speaker 1>that the first half wasn't great, but when they really

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<v Speaker 1>turn it on defensively, their defense was good in the

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<v Speaker 1>first half because it always and then all the attention

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<v Speaker 1>was more on the shot making in the second half.

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<v Speaker 1>But Minnesota is a capable offensive basketball team with varied pieces.

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<v Speaker 1>When Okac really dials in on defense and Shay is

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<v Speaker 1>doing the Shay thing, their ceiling, Dave to me, is

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<v Speaker 1>higher than anybody left, and honestly, I'm not sure it's close.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with you on that assessment. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>team and I've shared it with you before that I

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<v Speaker 3>thought had the highest ceiling was the Celtics, but obviously

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<v Speaker 3>they're out one and two. Before they go out, they

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<v Speaker 3>got injured, So I give that title along with you

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<v Speaker 3>to Okay. See, there was a video clip of a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a bird's eye angle of the action last

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<v Speaker 3>night that I saw on some OKC blog, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was tracking Alex Caruso fighting through screens and basically you

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<v Speaker 3>can't run pick a roll when he's involved, because he

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<v Speaker 3>fights through and gets over every screen. And so you

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<v Speaker 3>have someone like that who is one of three or

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<v Speaker 3>four wing defenders that they have like that, it makes

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<v Speaker 3>it really hard to get any offense going. And then

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<v Speaker 3>beyond that, not just a perimeter defense, they have really

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<v Speaker 3>disciplined interior defense. Or Edwards was saying every time he

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<v Speaker 3>got through a pick of roll scenario out on the perimeter,

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<v Speaker 3>he turned the corner and he was looking at three

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<v Speaker 3>or four people in the paint. He only had one

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<v Speaker 3>shot attempt in the paint last night. And beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is where I think there certainly is

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<v Speaker 3>room for growth for the Wolves. They shot terribly five

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<v Speaker 3>to fifteen from three hundred thirty percent on the shots

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<v Speaker 3>that we track at ESPN as quote wide open looks.

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<v Speaker 3>So you think that theoretically can come up a bit, right,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you look at the other side, you say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>Shay Gillis at Vender didn't really have all that good

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<v Speaker 3>of a game, and it mused with Jalen Williams and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't like it was a light time game from

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<v Speaker 3>Chad Holger either. So it's like, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it could be pretty tough for the Wolves to

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<v Speaker 3>win here. That doesn't mean I think it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>a short series, because certainly, you know, the Wolves have

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<v Speaker 3>a pretty darn good home court advance a target center

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm a little bit conflicted on the foul stuff

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<v Speaker 1>with Shay because I find it to be a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of an art form when you're able to manipulate the

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<v Speaker 1>game a little bit to draw fouls and get to

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<v Speaker 1>the free throw line, especially in the postseason when free

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<v Speaker 1>points like you know, like free throws and layups and

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<v Speaker 1>dunks are such a premium. And he's developed this ability

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<v Speaker 1>as a six', eight big body dude who has great

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<v Speaker 1>handles and understands angles to really bait defenders into legitimate.

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<v Speaker 1>Fouls and, yes they are the screenshots of nobody touching

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<v Speaker 1>him and him going to the, line AND i understand.

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<v Speaker 1>That but over the, years, man we can talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest of all, Time Michael jordan becoming a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of a foul merchant.

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<v Speaker 2>HIMSELF i know that's kind of a swear word these.

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<v Speaker 1>Days so and, look there are moments where like When

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<v Speaker 1>harden kind of kind of was able to develop his

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<v Speaker 1>swing through.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff it felt like it was.

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<v Speaker 1>CHEATING i hate it When Donna mitchell throws his head

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<v Speaker 1>back without being touched and gets the. Call jokic has

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<v Speaker 1>developed this thing where he hooks you under his armpit

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<v Speaker 1>and then. Flails there are some things that are irritating

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<v Speaker 1>and straight up. Cheating So i'm not really sure Where

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<v Speaker 1>i'm at with The shay. Stuff part of me respects the,

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<v Speaker 1>endeavor and then part of me wants the refs to

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<v Speaker 1>call it in a way where you, know you don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily reward guys that are trying to cheat the. Game

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<v Speaker 1>but what's your take on this conversation Surrounding shay after

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<v Speaker 1>last night with fourteen free?

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<v Speaker 2>Throws, well he had.

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<v Speaker 3>Eleven excuse, me he had seven free throws in the

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<v Speaker 3>first five minutes of the game and the thunder had

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<v Speaker 3>eleven while the wolveshad zero in the first. Quarter you, know,

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<v Speaker 3>like is this? Really is that really a fair? Whistle he?

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<v Speaker 3>Had it was fourteen for the, game which is not

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<v Speaker 3>an absurd, Amount but when he's struggling to find his

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<v Speaker 3>shot off of real field goal attempts and seemingly is

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<v Speaker 3>only able to find a rhythm by getting to the

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<v Speaker 3>foul on that consistently you're, LIKE i don't know a

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<v Speaker 3>cal fair is this? Right and, obviously ever since you,

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<v Speaker 3>know anecdotally About All Star break of last season of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty three twenty, four the refs started to swallow the

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<v Speaker 3>whistle a little, bit seemingly in response to the league

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<v Speaker 3>seeing the public apathy towards some of these inflated box score,

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<v Speaker 3>numbers you, know where it's one thirty one forty at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the game because both teams are shooting

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<v Speaker 3>forty to fifty free throws and that's carried. Over it

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<v Speaker 3>seemingly become intensified in the playoffs where it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>let these guys. Play and so if the majority of

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<v Speaker 3>the players on the court are being officiated that, way

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<v Speaker 3>and then you have one guy who is just that

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<v Speaker 3>good at selling it who isn't quite ketting this same,

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<v Speaker 3>WHISTLE i think it stands out a little bit. MORE

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<v Speaker 3>i think he drew thirteen fouls last. Night one of

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<v Speaker 3>them was reviewed and taken, away ends up with. Twelve you,

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<v Speaker 3>KNOW i think you probably say half of them absolutely completely,

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<v Speaker 3>legitimate and then half are judgment. Calls AND i don't, know,

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<v Speaker 3>like if you're from The minnesota side of, things you

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<v Speaker 3>want the judgment to go your, way and if you're

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<v Speaker 3>with the okay see side of, things you say, no,

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<v Speaker 3>certainly that's THE mvp of the. League he should be

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<v Speaker 3>getting a good. Whistle SO i don't think it sullies

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<v Speaker 3>his game to the point you can't enjoy watching. HIM i,

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<v Speaker 3>actually you know now seen him play about ten times this,

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<v Speaker 3>year and he is really really good to get into

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<v Speaker 3>his thoughts and really really skilled at you, know that

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<v Speaker 3>little snashback dribble that he has with fall out extended

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<v Speaker 3>like that is one of the most insoftful moves into HIS.

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<v Speaker 3>Nba so you tip your cap, There but you, know game,

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<v Speaker 3>flow it was never as good as it is when

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<v Speaker 3>there's less free.

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<v Speaker 1>Throws speaking of SAID, mvp two part, question your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>ON sga receiving the award and do you have any

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<v Speaker 1>insight as to why we were all waiting for weeks

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<v Speaker 1>to get this.

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<v Speaker 3>NEWS i was disappointed in the league for not announcing.

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<v Speaker 3>IT i, mean how many times have we Had, well

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<v Speaker 3>first of, all let's start with. This the, LEAGUE i

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<v Speaker 3>think it was seventeen eighteen is when they started to

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<v Speaker 3>revamp the awards process and they starting then would announce

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<v Speaker 3>the finalists, Right so the only reason we knew that

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<v Speaker 3>the finalists Included jokic And Shi Jos. Alexander obviously logically

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<v Speaker 3>we knew, that but the only way we knew it

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<v Speaker 3>empirically was because the league announced it back In. April

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<v Speaker 3>so then if you're already giving the public the information

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<v Speaker 3>and then the bracket works out so that you actually

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<v Speaker 3>have two of the top three finalists playing one another

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<v Speaker 3>in a playoff series with a trip to The Western

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<v Speaker 3>conference finals for, them why would you not announce it

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<v Speaker 3>during That AND i haven't heard an explanation for. IT

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<v Speaker 3>i think in our sensitive society it was, probably you,

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<v Speaker 3>know some politicking from maybe both, sides worried if the

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<v Speaker 3>guy wasn't gonna win it and how it could affect the.

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<v Speaker 3>Series but quite, frankly you, KNOW i think it will

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<v Speaker 3>be much more compelling to watch that, thing you, know

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<v Speaker 3>the night After shaye gets the award And Nicola jokus

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<v Speaker 3>has something to say about it in the. Series that

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<v Speaker 3>would have been great to. See so that's disappointing in

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<v Speaker 3>terms Of shay winning. It it was a tough vote for,

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<v Speaker 3>me BUT i did vote for. HIM i think The

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<v Speaker 3>cooliochus is a better PLAYER i also believe that sixty

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<v Speaker 3>eight wins is a. RARITY i, mean, obviously only seven

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<v Speaker 3>teams have ever won sixty eight wins or more in

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<v Speaker 3>the regular SEASON nba, history and that's proving your value.

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<v Speaker 1>There SO i got to reward that you referenced the

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<v Speaker 1>comp efidence Of minnesota during practice today and according TO i,

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<v Speaker 1>nine on open. THREES i will say a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>those open threes were pushed, Back LIKE i do Think

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma city's defense just continues to be, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Really difficult to.

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<v Speaker 1>Crack but what sort of adjustments do you expect for

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<v Speaker 1>them to try to make so they can attempt to

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<v Speaker 3>One, well interesting thing in a, moment and the end

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<v Speaker 3>was last night said THAT i need to play off

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<v Speaker 3>cuts and shoot opportunities because they're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 3>pack the. PAINT i Asked finch about that today and

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<v Speaker 3>he actually backed it. Up he, said, well you, know

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<v Speaker 3>we want to whether he has the ball in his

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<v Speaker 3>hands or he's getting it from a, teammate we just

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<v Speaker 3>want to create more movement and so you know whether

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<v Speaker 3>that is a higher screen that they're setting to get

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<v Speaker 3>him a chance to get downhill with the balls in

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<v Speaker 3>his hands or. Quit, frankly if you're already conceding, that

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to have driblel pennantation To. Delane, anyway

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<v Speaker 3>this is the best three point shooter in the league

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<v Speaker 3>this year in terms of three point. Volume so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>like let's just Have Mike conley take a couple of

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<v Speaker 3>was Gonna. Walker none of them could make a shot last.

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<v Speaker 3>Night so if you, say, hey what's the worst that

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<v Speaker 3>could happen If ant takes fifteen, THREES i think there's

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<v Speaker 3>probably some wisdom. There SO i think that's the one

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<v Speaker 3>thing you're going to. See And Rudy gobert was putting

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<v Speaker 3>and he felt like that compromised their defense a bit as.

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<v Speaker 3>WELL i, mean the paint scoring disparity was egregious In game,

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<v Speaker 3>one and that was a strength obviously of the Wol

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<v Speaker 3>they beat The warriors by just completely owning the paint

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<v Speaker 3>in that. Series AND i recognize as they hard Seeing

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<v Speaker 3>so you, KNOW i, think, yeah look for a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more off ball action From edwards and you, Know

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<v Speaker 1>RIBBLE i know you're younger THAN i, am but not by,

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<v Speaker 1>much SO i can ask you this Favorite Nicks pacers

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<v Speaker 1>playoff moment historically.

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<v Speaker 2>SPEAKING.

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<v Speaker 3>I eight points in nine. SECONDS i think what comes

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<v Speaker 3>of an amalgam to. ME i couldn't, say, well that

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<v Speaker 3>was ninety, four and that was ninety, one and that

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<v Speaker 3>was you, know ninety. Five BUT i think just the

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<v Speaker 3>warm fifty of tone MEMORIES i have OF NBN Nbc

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<v Speaker 3>Has you, know those those battles were, great so anywhere

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<v Speaker 3>from you, know say ninety to ninety, NINE a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of great memories of those two teams playing.

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<v Speaker 2>One another BEFORE i set you? Loose do you have a?

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<v Speaker 2>Lien you know we were talking about this.

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<v Speaker 1>EARLIER i listened to a bunch of different, pods including

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<v Speaker 1>your guys run you down for no reason while you

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<v Speaker 1>were catching, strays AND i watched a bunch of different.

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<v Speaker 1>SHOWS i really feel like this is. SPLIT i don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that there's a, consensus like everyone's on The knicks

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<v Speaker 1>or The.

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<v Speaker 2>Pacers do you have a? Lien as far as how

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<v Speaker 2>you think this thing is going to?

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<v Speaker 4>Go part of me feels like this is like one

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<v Speaker 4>of those things where The pacers are completely getting overlooked

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<v Speaker 4>because the story for The knicks and the history behind

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<v Speaker 4>that franchise is so strong and for various, reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>You, know not just, ratings but JUST i think you

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<v Speaker 3>still the scene In New york after they clinched the conference,

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<v Speaker 3>finals like that is that's, Awesome like that's what sports

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<v Speaker 3>is that makes it so, compelling and to see that

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<v Speaker 3>continue to grow from a conference finals to The files

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<v Speaker 3>is SOMETHING i think a lot of us are rooting.

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<v Speaker 3>FOR i Think nixon seven BECAUSE i think my heart

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of with The knicks, there but my head

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<v Speaker 3>says that The pacers are not an easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Out all, Right, David now you got to get going

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<v Speaker 1>because you have to file a story in seven, Hours

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll set you loose so you can slow play

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<v Speaker 1>your piece and appreciate the.

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<v Speaker 2>Time man ENJOY. Okc, yeah, thanks that's talking so