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<v Speaker 1>He is a man who just did a don Keyxoti

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<v Speaker 1>like quest to unseat a Democrat in a highly democratic district.

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<v Speaker 1>But now he's found himself in the middle of a

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<v Speaker 1>new kerfuffle. Vladimir al Jouetta posted something on his ex

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<v Speaker 1>page and it turned into a thing. Valdemar, good to

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<v Speaker 1>see you.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, it is great to be back. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for inviting me.

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<v Speaker 1>In low stress environment, not trying to earn votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's what was supposed to happen. The election

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<v Speaker 2>was over.

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<v Speaker 3>I was supposed to have a nice, peaceful holiday, no

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<v Speaker 3>more politics.

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<v Speaker 2>That may not be how it's going to end up.

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<v Speaker 1>So what did you post on X the other day?

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<v Speaker 3>People are that, well, I had you know you think

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<v Speaker 3>you recently just talked about the what Mike Johnson had

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<v Speaker 3>said and the whole blow up from that. So I

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<v Speaker 3>kind of made a comment about it. People started talking

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<v Speaker 3>about recall. So I looked up some information on in

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<v Speaker 3>post digital. Here's how you do it. He wants to

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<v Speaker 3>know you go, And then that blew up on Twitter

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<v Speaker 3>or X and so a whole movement has now started,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was contacted by several people.

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<v Speaker 2>Who really want to follow through with this, or at least.

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<v Speaker 3>Investigate the possibility of following through with the recall of

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Johnston.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, let's break it down for just a few

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes's let's talk about reasons that people want to recall

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnston. But then I'm going to remind them of

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<v Speaker 1>something very important. Everything that I find horrible about Mike

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<v Speaker 1>Johnston's administration were the exact same things he campaigned on.

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<v Speaker 1>He campaigned on micro communities, he campaigned on warehousing, homeless people.

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<v Speaker 1>He campaigned on these things. Now did he campaign to

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<v Speaker 1>spend one hundred and sixty five million dollars on homeless people?

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<v Speaker 1>He did not. And Valdemar and I were trying to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what we have spent in Denver, and not

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<v Speaker 1>just the city of Denver, but education services, but hospital

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<v Speaker 1>services for U see health. This is a big reason

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<v Speaker 1>why you see health needed that cash injection and attacks increase.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Common Sense Institute estimated in a sport from

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<v Speaker 1>May thirtieth that between city, education and healthcare organizations, they

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<v Speaker 1>have spent between two hundred and sixteen million to three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty million on the response of taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of forty two thousand illegal immigrants that made their way

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<v Speaker 1>to Denver. So all, and I'm just use the lower number, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just use the two hundred and sixteen million. So

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<v Speaker 1>do you think people in Denver signed up for three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty something million of their tax dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>go to people who are either mentally illan on drugs,

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<v Speaker 1>on drugs, addicted to alcohol, or who broke into the

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<v Speaker 1>country and then got all their services. No.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is a concern of many people in Denver,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not a partisan issue. This is across the board.

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<v Speaker 3>People have been concerned about that. This past year in campaigning,

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<v Speaker 3>I've gone to tons of town halls with different city

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<v Speaker 3>council individuals and.

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<v Speaker 2>That the city put on.

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<v Speaker 3>And by far the biggest town hall I ever attended

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<v Speaker 3>was just about a month ago at Remington element School

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<v Speaker 3>when they were talking about making the possibility of making

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<v Speaker 3>that an immigrant shelter. Basically, it would only happen if

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<v Speaker 3>the mayor called an emergency and they needed somewhere to

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<v Speaker 3>house people. They were saying it probably won't happen, but

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<v Speaker 3>just in case, we're looking at this as a possibility.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are several other elementary schools throughout the city

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<v Speaker 3>they are looking to do the same thing. But there

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<v Speaker 3>were hundreds of people there from that neighborhood. And this

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<v Speaker 3>is in the Sunnyside neighborhood, north west denver, Ish kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a.

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<v Speaker 1>Cityside is a very diverse neighborhood. It has some it

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<v Speaker 1>has some people there are maybe on the lower socioeconomic spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some areas where you have a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>gentrification going on there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a cross section.

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<v Speaker 3>The southern part of it is like where the Highlands are,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's already been gentrified. But then you have

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<v Speaker 3>like the northern part where it's kind of remained working class,

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<v Speaker 3>working class, and that's so so there are a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people there, and there were a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>actually there, even from the Highlands neighborhood. But they had

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<v Speaker 3>heard about this happening and they were concerned. And there

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<v Speaker 3>were a few people there who are like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we want to help the migrants, how can we volunteer,

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<v Speaker 3>what can we do And they were fine with that,

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<v Speaker 3>but the majority of the people there were concerned about

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<v Speaker 3>what that was going to do to their neighborhood and

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<v Speaker 3>they were not happy with the answers that the city

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<v Speaker 3>was giving them and beyond that, even like back in

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<v Speaker 3>February when we kind of had this big surge come

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<v Speaker 3>to Denver and it became a big issue.

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<v Speaker 2>I was at a.

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<v Speaker 3>Meeting where they were and this was I think in

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<v Speaker 3>park Hill, Mountainbalow somewhere over there, and they were talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the when they cut back the hours of community centers.

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<v Speaker 3>The communities up there were concerned because they're cutting.

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<v Speaker 2>The hours here, what are our young men going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is where they go because off the street.

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<v Speaker 3>If they're not going to be in the community centers,

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<v Speaker 3>where are they going to be? And again, these are

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<v Speaker 3>not Republican citizens. They are probably vast majority Democrats, but

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<v Speaker 3>they recognize this is a problem. What's happening is not

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<v Speaker 3>benefiting our community. Our community is being put second to

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<v Speaker 3>take care of migrants who are coming into the country illegally.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the most interesting conversations that I have heard

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<v Speaker 1>about this I heard on a light rail train going

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<v Speaker 1>downtown and I was sitting behind two young women and

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<v Speaker 1>they were probably in their early twenties, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>them was Hispanic and one of them was African American,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were p owed that they as American citizens

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<v Speaker 1>could not get anything from the city, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>heard that immigrants were getting free apartments and free you know, healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>computers and phones and all this stuff, and they were livid.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think from that perspective, when you have people

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<v Speaker 1>on the on the other end of the economic spectrum

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<v Speaker 1>who are trying to get ahead in Denver and they're like, look, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you know? What are we doing? Why is

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<v Speaker 1>everything so expensive for me? You're putting all of these

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<v Speaker 1>people ahead of me. So I think it really does

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cut across also socioeconomic lines. But as you

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<v Speaker 1>get to the rich liberals, those are the Highlands moms

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<v Speaker 1>that Mike Johnson was talking about. He was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Highland's moms showing up because their lives are not directly impacted.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and that is the demographic he was speaking to.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believe when he made his comments in the

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<v Speaker 3>Denver are to the Denver right, that's what he was

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about. The base in these areas where they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be okay with what he was saying because they

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<v Speaker 3>aren't seeing the effects effect their lives directly, and so

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<v Speaker 3>they want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Make sure they can get their house cleaned for a

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<v Speaker 1>really inexpensive rate, and they want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>their organic produce doesn't cost mark that's the extent of

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<v Speaker 1>their concern for the impact that this has. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the actual process for a second. What does

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<v Speaker 1>that look like? Because you just looked it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so work like that.

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<v Speaker 3>This is still kind of in the beginnings of Look enough,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be thrown away, so you'll probably need

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<v Speaker 3>like thirty five thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Signatures, so you're going to know that.

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<v Speaker 1>They can hire. I heard there's a bunch of illegal

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<v Speaker 1>immigrants that are available for work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that would be wouldn't that would be ironic?

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<v Speaker 2>It would be amazing. Mayor Well, and the question about

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a good idea or not, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about because I have nixed feelings about whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not this particular deployment of resources, time and energy is

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<v Speaker 1>the right way to go. Can you stick around through

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<v Speaker 1>a break? Yes, I've got Valdemar Archiletta. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>whether a recall of Mayor Mike Johnston makes sense, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good idea, or if it's worth it, if

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<v Speaker 1>the juice is worth the squeeze, to use a very

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<v Speaker 1>popular cliche. Right now, we'll be right back. We're back

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<v Speaker 1>with Valdemar Archiletta talking about what it might look like

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<v Speaker 1>to do a recall of Mayor Mike Johnston. To be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>Valdemar is not doing a recall of Mayor Mike Johnston.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a kind of an exercise, a conversation and

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<v Speaker 1>what that might look like.

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<v Speaker 3>So here we're looking into the possibilities of a recall,

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<v Speaker 3>but is it the.

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<v Speaker 1>Best use of resources? And that's where it gets tricky.

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<v Speaker 3>It is because again it's going to cost money, So

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<v Speaker 3>we want to figure out how much money will this

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<v Speaker 3>cost financially and of course people's time as well, going

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<v Speaker 3>now into the holiday season, is it worth the time

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<v Speaker 3>of the volunteers in that who are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>out there collecting signatures and that to do this and

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<v Speaker 3>then even afterwards it should we be successful in creating

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<v Speaker 3>a recall, who do we have to replace, right Mike Johnston?

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<v Speaker 2>And I am looking into that as well.

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<v Speaker 3>People have asked me, I am not going to run

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<v Speaker 3>for mayor, but let me just throw that out there

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<v Speaker 3>right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Will I will not run for.

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<v Speaker 4>If I am nominated, but I am looking into you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I want to contact some people, talk to them and

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<v Speaker 4>see if we do have someone lined up, because if

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<v Speaker 4>we were to recall Mike Johnston and then we'd get is.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about more aggressive person mayor or at Leasta caldar

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<v Speaker 1>on God forbid, I mean now in Aurora.

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<v Speaker 2>So Aurora, my head's up. I do believe.

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<v Speaker 3>My thought is like in a few years he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to run for city council and Aurora or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So Aurora just you know, he's.

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<v Speaker 1>All yours now. The problem that we have, honestly is

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<v Speaker 1>that Denver is so deeply democratic. There's a zero percent

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<v Speaker 1>chance that a Republican is going to win in Denver, and.

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<v Speaker 3>So we want someone maybe just a step in the

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<v Speaker 3>right direction. So someone who's maybe a more moderate Democrat

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<v Speaker 3>would be great. You know, it's going to be a

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<v Speaker 3>step up from where we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone who's going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be more supportive of getting you know, Prime under control

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<v Speaker 3>and doing some things that will help bring business back

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<v Speaker 3>to Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what I want to see that, Here's what I

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<v Speaker 1>think Denver needs. Not that anybody ask me, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I think Denver needs. Though the mayor has

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<v Speaker 1>been concentrating on get homeless people off the streets. The

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<v Speaker 1>success rate of these programs and getting people into stable,

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<v Speaker 1>permanent housing is very low. So we are throwing good

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<v Speaker 1>money after bad. We have to have somebody in office

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<v Speaker 1>that says we are going to be results oriented. We

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<v Speaker 1>are going to say to our providers, we need a

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<v Speaker 1>detailed account of what you've done for each resident to

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<v Speaker 1>get them the help that they need, the drug treatment

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<v Speaker 1>that they need, the alcohol treatment that they need, the

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<v Speaker 1>mental health care they need, and moving them towards independence

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<v Speaker 1>or into some kind of stable housing situation that the

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<v Speaker 1>government's going to have to pay for forever, because unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that are not going to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to take care of themselves. And then you go to

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<v Speaker 1>all those businesses on the sixteenth Street mall and you say,

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<v Speaker 1>we're taking the money that we've spent on homeless people

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<v Speaker 1>and immigrants and we're pouring it into your businesses with

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<v Speaker 1>grants to keep you afloat until all this is done.

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<v Speaker 1>They're about to destroy businesses on Colfax Avenue with its.

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<v Speaker 3>Stupidvice all right, that whole button, and not just that.

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<v Speaker 3>The people in the neighborhood's there are quite upset. Was

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<v Speaker 3>at another town Hall. I forget the name of the

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<v Speaker 3>middle school over there, but kind of like Congress Park,

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<v Speaker 3>Capitol Hill area, right. They they know that when this

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<v Speaker 3>happens to Coalfax, if people who don't know out there,

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<v Speaker 3>what they want to do is basically make Coalfax one

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<v Speaker 3>one lane direction and the other one's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>buses and like a little park down the middle whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>which looks pretty and I can I can see that,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're going to be pushing people off Coalfax and

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<v Speaker 3>onto Fourteenth Street or fourteenth Avenue, thirteenth and so the

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhoods there are concerned that they've already gotten too many,

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<v Speaker 3>too much traffic over there. Now that all these other

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<v Speaker 3>traffic from Coalfax is going to be in their neighborhoods,

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to make things worse. So the businesses are

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<v Speaker 3>upset because the people are leaving Coalfax. The neighborhood's upset

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<v Speaker 3>because now they're coming into their neighborhoods.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>And they're also looking at doing that to Colorado Boulevard,

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<v Speaker 3>which is a mess as it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate Colorado Boulevard.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine Colorado Boulevard one lane each direction.

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<v Speaker 1>There are two roads that I will avoid at all costs.

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado Boulevard is one, Parker Road is the other, because

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, so so Wich traffic. Anyway, Valdimore, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a nice thought experiment. We'll see if it goes anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>My concern is that we waste a whole bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>time and energy. The mayor keeps his seat and is

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<v Speaker 1>then emboldened to double day.

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<v Speaker 3>That is something too, because you look at the likeli

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<v Speaker 3>of this outcome will probably be like, it's really difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to replace a mayor. It's really difficult to recall someone.

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<v Speaker 3>So what do you be emboldened? Or is the statement

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<v Speaker 3>going to be good? That we made a stand? We

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<v Speaker 3>made a statement because I think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>in Colorado are really upset that our leadership across the state,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's the governor the secretary of State, are doing

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<v Speaker 3>all these things and no one ever pushes back from them.

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<v Speaker 3>And they already feel that they can just do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>they want because there is no pushback.

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<v Speaker 2>So will the pushback be worth it? Or you said,

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<v Speaker 2>will it make it worse?

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<v Speaker 1>That is Valdimar. Archiletto will keep you posted on whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not this movement gets legs. Felt good to see you,

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<v Speaker 1>My friends, good to see you too, and happy Thanksgiving.