Speaker 1: So it's gonna be one of those days. All right,
Speaker 1: Basis dropped on a new round of SDH. John hear
Speaker 1: you there, apologies for the voice hot cold, hot, cold,
Speaker 1: hot cold reconstituted air, and it caught up with me
Speaker 1: this weekend. I am now in the land of the
Speaker 1: homeopathic stuff, and so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: But it's gonna be an interesting day.
Speaker 1: So Abe Gordon's gonna join us here in just a
Speaker 1: little bit and we'll break down everything that's on your
Speaker 1: collective mind when it comes to what happened this weekend.
Speaker 1: And there are a couple of different things that we're
Speaker 1: going to be getting into. Obviously, a will come in,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about all of the activity and what's on
Speaker 1: Abe's mind. After that we'll get into highlights and literally
Speaker 1: it's just the carlis Heel moment. But then there are
Speaker 1: the other things that we need to get into and discuss.
Speaker 1: And Bart's going to join us an hour number two.
Speaker 1: But what I want to do is I want to
Speaker 1: do the discussion that we're gonna have about cards and calls.
Speaker 1: I want to do it in a way that is constructive. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm pouring my caffeine for the morning. So where do
Speaker 1: I put this so it doesn't spill? I'm sure wherever
Speaker 1: I put it's gonna spill anyway, all right, So in
Speaker 1: hour number two when Bart comes in, obviously we've got
Speaker 1: to do cards and calls, and there are a couple
Speaker 1: of different things that we've got to get into. And
Speaker 1: what I want to do is I want to look
Speaker 1: at it from the perspective of going over the call
Speaker 1: and what could be going through an individual's mind in
Speaker 1: that moment. And there are a couple of things that
Speaker 1: I want to get into with Bart about decision making.
Speaker 1: And what I want to do is get into a
Speaker 1: discussion with Bart once again about the laws of the
Speaker 1: game and what folks might be thinking about in those moments.
Speaker 2: So it's going to be one of those where you're.
Speaker 1: Going to be looking at the laws of the game
Speaker 1: and going through the moments of the match and then
Speaker 1: remembering or reminding ourselves about in those moments what is
Speaker 1: transpiring and what the call can be one way or
Speaker 1: the other, and then try to walk through the call.
Speaker 1: And so we have and the and there are a
Speaker 1: couple of philosophical issues that I want to get into
Speaker 1: that are a part of it where you're looking at
Speaker 1: the idea of Okay, well you've got game management we've
Speaker 1: got to get into. You have just the the idea
Speaker 1: of controlling a match that we've got to get into.
Speaker 1: So in reughing down here, when we get into cards
Speaker 1: and calls, then it's gonna be it's gonna be that discussion.
Speaker 1: So we'll bring that in with Barten hour number two
Speaker 1: and kind of walk through it and take the events
Speaker 1: of what happened on the weekend so we can all
Speaker 1: be more informed or just and just you know, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say better educated, but just know where folks
Speaker 1: are coming from in these particular in these particular instances,
Speaker 1: and what folks are seeing. And so it was not
Speaker 1: a good day for Alexis to Silva. I'll go ahead
Speaker 1: and say that I don't think it was. I'm sure
Speaker 1: if you asked Alexis to Silva, he would probably tell
Speaker 1: you otherwise. But we'll take the information that we have
Speaker 1: from his I'm not gonna say it's not manner, but
Speaker 1: just how he called the match, and then we'll take
Speaker 1: that information and go forward just about so we can
Speaker 1: all be better informed and can understand. It's almost like
Speaker 1: a defensive driving course, so we can understand where folks
Speaker 1: are coming from and where the gaps can be, and
Speaker 1: where the gaps can be in a situation like this.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into that with Bart now number two,
Speaker 1: and so we'll go over everything that's on your mind
Speaker 1: from what happened this past weekend. Like I said, doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be at Land United, but at Lanty United.
Speaker 1: It's obviously number one on the board. So we can
Speaker 1: talk about it Lanty United, we can talk about anything
Speaker 1: else in Major League Soccer.
Speaker 2: We can talk about anything else going on in.
Speaker 1: The world of soccer, killing and Bape with you know,
Speaker 1: there's you know, Killian and Bape got a red and
Speaker 1: obviously the world was falling down about it, but it
Speaker 1: points to a larger picture.
Speaker 2: And I'll see if I can.
Speaker 1: Find the Luis Enrique conversation that he had in the
Speaker 1: film room with Chillian and Bope, and that has always
Speaker 1: stuck with me about how and Bope is right there,
Speaker 1: but then he could he could be so much more.
Speaker 1: But there's, like I said, that conversation that Luis Enrique
Speaker 1: had with him in the film room that was caught
Speaker 1: on tape. I mean it wasn't one of these hidden
Speaker 1: camera things and someone's like sneaking a cell phone in
Speaker 1: or anything, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was a nasty challenge, and it's just anytime you
Speaker 1: have a moment like that. And I swear to god,
Speaker 1: I was looking at the Big fifty five this morning
Speaker 1: and it was on it was on a Spanish speaking
Speaker 1: sports network, and in that Spanish speaking sports network, they
Speaker 1: were wondering out loud, and of course I know this
Speaker 1: particular program and they like to kind of gin things
Speaker 1: up and they go they work in the extremes and it's, uh,
Speaker 1: you know schlock talk sports talk radio that is on
Speaker 1: television in Spain, and it was one of those is
Speaker 1: this read a good thing for Killing and Bope? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, are you kidding me? So
Speaker 1: Killing and Bape gets a red and there's a moment
Speaker 1: that with Louis and Rique when he was at PSG,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, dude, we need you to help
Speaker 1: out in other places. I'll see if I can find
Speaker 1: the conversation. But when Killing and Bape has a moment
Speaker 1: like he had that conversation that Luis will it wasn't
Speaker 1: really a conversation it was more in Boppe listening and
Speaker 1: Luis and Rique trying to make Killian and Bope understand
Speaker 1: about who he can be and how he needed to
Speaker 1: help PSG at the time, but it was it was
Speaker 1: an intriguing conversation, and so we'll get into that also.
Speaker 1: An hour number two, Jared Smith joining us early on
Speaker 1: a Monday morning. What's on your mind?
Speaker 3: Oh that's just chaos of.
Speaker 2: Course, uh so, uh feel free?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Abe set to join us in a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: So I do not hang up and be a part
Speaker 1: of the conversation when Abe joins us, and Abe was wondering,
Speaker 1: I think Abe was working early this morning, and so
Speaker 1: he said he might be joining us off of his
Speaker 1: phone as opposed to a normal computer laptops. So we'll
Speaker 1: see how we'll see how effective that is when it
Speaker 1: comes to Abe setting to join us here in just
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: But you've had a couple of days to think about it.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind after the weekend?
Speaker 3: Just it's disappointment, I think, I mean, it's it's it's
Speaker 3: as far as much frustration as anything. But I think
Speaker 3: it's kind of this weird feeling that everything's a juxtaposition
Speaker 3: in your head because it doesn't feel like it's a
Speaker 3: team that should have the worst start in their club's history,
Speaker 3: but it is. And you are what your record says
Speaker 3: you you are after eight games. It's just what it is.
Speaker 3: You can you can push back on it. And I
Speaker 3: think they're better than what their record is, but they
Speaker 3: are what their record is. And it's coming down to
Speaker 3: mental mistakes again. It's coming down to little moments, some misfortune,
Speaker 3: which we'll talk to Bart about at some point. I
Speaker 3: think pro has pro has spit the bit a couple
Speaker 3: of times. But in a game where you had two
Speaker 3: goals wiped out, one of them correctly for sure. The
Speaker 3: Latte lo Ca call that one's now even that one's
Speaker 3: weird where I'm like, he's offside even if he wanted
Speaker 3: to get back on side. He wasn't getting back on
Speaker 3: side because he was getting held, but he was offside.
Speaker 3: To fine with that. And you have two goals wiped
Speaker 3: away and you hit the woodwork twice, you generate almost
Speaker 3: three x G and it's one of those games where
Speaker 3: like I will put SoC into x G. You have to.
Speaker 3: This is the thing with statistics is you got to
Speaker 3: pick your spots with what you consider to be a
Speaker 3: worthwhile statistic and a not worthwhile you know, ex g.
Speaker 3: Statistic you generated almost three. We had two goals wiped away,
Speaker 3: hitting the woodwork, forcing a couple of really good saves.
Speaker 3: You feel good if you if you would set that
Speaker 3: unfl good about what your offense was doing the area.
Speaker 3: For me, John, that you got to like take a
Speaker 3: really hard look at is going to be the defense.
Speaker 3: And yeah, we'll get into the officiating because one of
Speaker 3: my least favorite things on the face of Earth's one
Speaker 3: of my pet peeves is this whole thing of like
Speaker 3: you have to overcome the officiating. It is this bullshit
Speaker 3: American ideal that we have that that like you're supposed
Speaker 3: to overcome all adversity and that you can't ever like
Speaker 3: point to any university when the literal mantra we used
Speaker 3: all the times correctly and it worked this way too.
Speaker 2: Goals change games.
Speaker 3: You get an early goal there, you've changed the tenor
Speaker 3: of the game. Against the New England team that had
Speaker 3: no interest in really playing, they came out with one
Speaker 3: particular idea they exploited based off of you made adjustments
Speaker 3: they had no interest in making further adjustments and going
Speaker 3: and actually playing that game because they hacked it down
Speaker 3: in the midfield like they were but like they were
Speaker 3: going to stop town trying to take trees down. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's zero interest in actually playing. Modern day Caleb Porter
Speaker 3: will never see the gates of Heaven. I think old
Speaker 3: school Caleb Porter from ten years ago would fight modern
Speaker 3: day Caleb Porter on the touch line, right, and he
Speaker 3: would do it proudly. But goals change games. You have
Speaker 3: a goal wiped away, it changes the game. That's how
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have to.
Speaker 3: Pretend like like, well that got taken away, but we
Speaker 3: should still be able to do Yeah. Yeah, you would
Speaker 3: love to. You would love to live in that world,
Speaker 3: but you don't always live in that world. So yeah,
Speaker 3: goals change game. But for me, I think the thing
Speaker 3: is that the back line. You got to have some
Speaker 3: serious conversations about. I thought you looked better at three
Speaker 3: at the back, and I'm sure like there's gonna be
Speaker 3: a call to go to three at the back this week.
Speaker 3: But styles make fights, and you're gonna have to figure
Speaker 3: out how you want to attack this Philadelphia team on
Speaker 3: the road.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's Bradley Carnell you know what you're
Speaker 1: getting in too. But it's basically the same Philly. It's
Speaker 1: just with a different head coach and a Saint Louis Twitch.
Speaker 3: Tom, we're gonna talk about the ref man, We're gonna
Speaker 3: talk about it because it's a goal that changed the
Speaker 3: full of the game. Like, I don't know what you want, man, Yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about the other mischances. I mean, I'm here
Speaker 3: to talk about the problems with the defense, the problem
Speaker 3: that Miggy did not drop back into defending. So you
Speaker 3: had a manual latte a lot dropping back into defending.
Speaker 3: It makes a careless challenge on uh On, on Carlos Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because he drops back and he defends Miggie's staying up
Speaker 3: the field. He makes a careless challenge. It's the right
Speaker 3: call because there's contact. I'm not gonna argue that call
Speaker 3: at all. Like there's contact, it's at the edge of
Speaker 3: the box. Puts in the box. He nailed that. They
Speaker 3: went to var in his ear. They got it right.
Speaker 3: Is used perfectly there, Man. I give him, I give
Speaker 3: him all their flowers for that one. But you do
Speaker 3: change the game. Win. You don't give a first goal.
Speaker 3: You hit the woodwork twice. You forced a couple of
Speaker 3: good saves.
Speaker 2: That sucks.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you didn't find a breakthrough. I don't,
Speaker 3: but you are what your record says you are right now,
Speaker 3: and you got to figure out the defense because as
Speaker 3: your offense is going to keep misfiring, as your offense
Speaker 3: is going to keep missfiring, you need your defense to
Speaker 3: stay locked in. And you haven't had that consistently. And
Speaker 3: it's been different guys like Look's been up and down.
Speaker 3: Derek Williams is banged up right now. But Derek Williams
Speaker 3: had a couple of really rough games where he made
Speaker 3: mistakes that you can't make. I am personally of the
Speaker 3: opinion I would be fine. If you want to go
Speaker 3: through at the back with a Broms Sion and Noah Cobb,
Speaker 3: do it. If you want to play Noah Cob and
Speaker 3: Efrian Morales together and go twenty seventeen Philly style, do it.
Speaker 3: Put the kids out there. If guys are gonna make
Speaker 3: mistakes anyway, put my kids out there. Let them make
Speaker 3: the mistakes and let them grow. Because one of them
Speaker 3: is already a comic ball national team player for Bolivia
Speaker 3: and the other ones a youth American national team player
Speaker 3: who has the potential to be more than that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm fine playing those guys, but defense has got a
Speaker 3: not up.
Speaker 2: Yep, he says.
Speaker 3: If your offense is gonna misfire, the most important number
Speaker 3: you're gonna be able to have to you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to put up is that gooseg on the other end.
Speaker 3: And only once this year have you done it. And
Speaker 3: you did an amazing job of against Red Bulls. You
Speaker 3: didn't give up a shot on goal. You give up
Speaker 3: one shot on goal the entire weekend to both Red
Speaker 3: Bulls teams and walked away with one point because they
Speaker 3: got a deflected goal against the twos and didn't put
Speaker 3: a shot on frame against the first team. That was great,
Speaker 3: but you've got to build on that, and you have
Speaker 3: to be better defensively. I mean this is getting back into,
Speaker 3: like Frank the Board's territory of I know what I
Speaker 3: have defensively, I know what I have offensively, and while
Speaker 3: we put the pieces together, we're going to be a
Speaker 3: little bit more pragmatic and then we'll open the engine
Speaker 3: up when we get a chance.
Speaker 2: So you see how fired up jerib is ab.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with some of it. And I'm reading
Speaker 4: the comments and some of them I agree with and
Speaker 4: and some I don't. I don't know how much you
Speaker 4: guys got into before I popped on in regards to
Speaker 4: the goal that was taken away offside and all that.
Speaker 3: No, and I'm getting yelled at when I bring that up,
Speaker 3: and not just here but anywhere, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's this thing like you know where I apparently if
Speaker 3: we bring that up, we'll make an excuses as opposed
Speaker 3: to telling a guy to do his job correctly. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, look, actually be scoring more goals. I agree,
Speaker 3: but we're gonna talk about the shit that happened on Saturday.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, this is not the first instance of you had
Speaker 4: opportunities to put a game away and didn't do so,
Speaker 4: and obviously this costs you points, not just one, but
Speaker 4: potentially three. You hit the crossbar at you know, a
Speaker 4: half inch lower, and that's a goal from antay Lot.
Speaker 4: You hit the post a half inch a quarter inch
Speaker 4: to the left, that's a goal from Jamal Tray. And
Speaker 4: I just disagree with this mindset that it's not a
Speaker 4: good team, they're not getting results, and I don't think
Speaker 4: those are the same things, and it's not here sitting
Speaker 4: and making excuses and this or that. A team that's
Speaker 4: not good has no hope. A team that's not good
Speaker 4: can't turn it around. I still feel like this team
Speaker 4: can turn it around. I do still feel like this
Speaker 4: team has hope. And as we learn from the postseason
Speaker 4: run last year, if you could just get in and
Speaker 4: be healthy, you could see what happens.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: No one's gonna sit here and say they'd be happy
Speaker 4: if the Lanta United it comes in as a seven
Speaker 4: seed or an eight seed and has to deal with
Speaker 4: that again, like, obviously that's fall falling short of expectations.
Speaker 4: But if that's what we're dealing with at the time,
Speaker 4: then so be it. And so look, if we're sitting
Speaker 4: here ten more games in and saying the exact same
Speaker 4: thing that they're putting together good performances but not getting results.
Speaker 4: Now I start to maybe sit here and say, now,
Speaker 4: hold on, like, are the results ever gonna come?
Speaker 5: But it has been disappointing, there's no way around that.
Speaker 4: But I still think they're gonna find a way to
Speaker 4: turn it around. And at some point I will lose
Speaker 4: faith that they will turn it around. If it does
Speaker 4: come I'm not there just yet. And in terms of
Speaker 4: the quote controversial calls or whatever, I stand by this.
Speaker 4: It sounds like Jared, you're probably close to me on
Speaker 4: this as well. PK has to be given.
Speaker 3: It just does oh for Carl's heel, Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. He absolutely got that right. You cant
Speaker 3: be mad about it, but he got it right.
Speaker 4: It starts in the box. There was contact to take
Speaker 4: a player down. Now is it bad defending in that
Speaker 4: moment with a player that's not even really running across
Speaker 4: the face of goal but almost away from goal. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's bad defending. You can't create contact there, but it
Speaker 4: has to be given. I'm not mad at that call.
Speaker 4: I don't blame that call. I think it's the correct call.
Speaker 4: It hurts you, but it's the correct call. I do
Speaker 4: have some issues with how they officiated the off sides
Speaker 4: and it just maybe I've all, maybe we've all it's
Speaker 4: not just me misunderstood the rule of intent and.
Speaker 5: Stuff like that.
Speaker 4: But I just don't see a world in which it
Speaker 4: was a deflection or reactionary play from the New England defender.
Speaker 4: He played a bad ball, but he played a ball.
Speaker 4: It was intentional. I just don't see how you give
Speaker 4: that as off sides. But whether or not that's off sides,
Speaker 4: whether or not it takes a goal off the board.
Speaker 4: The team's got to stay focused. They can't concede four
Speaker 4: or five, six minutes later, whatever it was, and they've
Speaker 4: got to find a way to finish opportunities. This is
Speaker 4: another one that is two to one, three to one
Speaker 4: at worst, and you're just not getting there again. You
Speaker 4: know how much I love XG there, John, but two
Speaker 4: point eight is not insignificant. Two point eight to be
Speaker 4: clean sheeted is something you have to address, and the
Speaker 4: players are saying the right things. Rodnie dla is saying
Speaker 4: the right things and trying to hold optimism that at
Speaker 4: some point it will take a turn. At some point
Speaker 4: some of the luck will bounce Atlanta United's way, but
Speaker 4: so far it hasn't. They're off to the worst start
Speaker 4: in franchise history, including a home stand of three games
Speaker 4: against two of these teams.
Speaker 5: Really bad. If we're gonna be straight honest, and you're
Speaker 5: only able to muster four points.
Speaker 4: And I think Atlanta United fans have reason to be angry,
Speaker 4: they have reason to be frustrated, But I'm just not
Speaker 4: yet to where we have reason to lose hope or
Speaker 4: be pessimistic over the course of a season. If I
Speaker 4: have to get there, I will trust me, I'll turn
Speaker 4: but hopefully they'll bring me to that.
Speaker 3: No, it's I'm gonna nuance this a bit, because that's
Speaker 3: what sports is. It's it's nuanced. Ultimately, it's a right
Speaker 3: now as we stay and I think it is an
Speaker 3: incredible selection of players and an incredible roster. They are
Speaker 3: not consistently playing like a team for me. They have
Speaker 3: moments where they are, but then there are too many
Speaker 3: moments where they are off balance, not on the same page.
Speaker 3: And it just doesn't it doesn't feel like, it does
Speaker 3: not feel like, to belabor the metaphor, it does not
Speaker 3: feel like whatever we are putting in that mixing bowl
Speaker 3: is mixing the way we need to. Will it very likely,
Speaker 3: like I think there's too much talent for it not to.
Speaker 3: To your point about Rodnie dla and look, I watched
Speaker 3: that man manage at Celtic in twenty fourteen through twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: Let me preface that by telling you twenty fourteen through
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, there was no Rangers. Rangers had ceased to
Speaker 3: exist like whatever fantasy you have about your greatest rival
Speaker 3: falling apart, was what happened to Rangers if you're a
Speaker 3: Celtics fan, because the club literally went into administration and
Speaker 3: bankruptcy and cease to exist at the restructure and start
Speaker 3: at the very bottom of the ladder. He was playing
Speaker 3: and coaching the far and away the most uh, the
Speaker 3: highest revenue and highest rostered team, and every single loss
Speaker 3: was met with like brimstone and death. So I as
Speaker 3: far as Roddy goes, I don't think he's gonna be
Speaker 3: like I don't I personally don't think he's gonna be
Speaker 3: like sweating out, like, oh man, I gotta get this point.
Speaker 3: Like he's seen some shit. Now, does that mean that
Speaker 3: he's not gonna work shrug it that he's gonna shrug
Speaker 3: it off. No, I don't think so at all. I
Speaker 3: just think for me and my expectation from him is
Speaker 3: that he's seen some shit. He is going to have
Speaker 3: a different toolbox maybe than other people on how to
Speaker 3: address that, and the trick is gonna be actually doing
Speaker 3: it and actually getting guys to sync up.
Speaker 4: Well, a couple of things here, and that is from
Speaker 4: Ronnie Dila and from the players. There's frustration, but there's
Speaker 4: not panic, and I think that goes to what you're suggesting, Jared,
Speaker 4: and I think that's important. And the other thing, John,
Speaker 4: is something I told you and I've reminded you that
Speaker 4: I've told you as the season started, before it got going,
Speaker 4: and that is that you have to have patience and
Speaker 4: just look, I'm not gonna lie. It's taken a lot
Speaker 4: longer for this team to figure out what exactly is
Speaker 4: going on, and they haven't figured it out yet. There's
Speaker 4: no doubt about that. I was hoping within four or
Speaker 4: five matches they would start to look like the team
Speaker 4: we need them to look like. That hasn't happened yet,
Speaker 4: and we're now through eight matches, so it's taken longer
Speaker 4: than I thought. But I've warned people at the very start,
Speaker 4: it's like, hey man, this feels like it's gonna take
Speaker 4: quite a long time for it to come together. And
Speaker 4: so we're not gonna panic at the start of the season.
Speaker 4: Now we're getting to the point where it's a little
Speaker 4: bit beyond just the start the season and it hasn't
Speaker 4: come together. It doesn't mean it's not going to come together.
Speaker 4: And I think we've seen in recent seasons. You don't
Speaker 4: have to be that good for that long in stretches
Speaker 4: of the MLS season to make it to the playoffs.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is a team that fired a manager
Speaker 4: last season, had a horrible run under an interior manager,
Speaker 4: turned it around for a five game stretch, gets into
Speaker 4: the playoffs and goes on a run. And so we
Speaker 4: are not even close to being in the desperation mode
Speaker 4: that last season's team was in. I still believe that
Speaker 4: they will figure it out. Can't figure it out, and
Speaker 4: when they do figure out, will be increasingly dangerous. Now
Speaker 4: that means they're no longer to play for the supporter shield. Fine,
Speaker 4: they're probably not going to leave the MLS in scoring. Fine,
Speaker 4: But as long as we get to a point where
Speaker 4: they figure it out and they start to put stretches
Speaker 4: not just in games, but stretches of the calendar to
Speaker 4: get other where you're knocking off three point three point
Speaker 4: one point on the road, three point three point on
Speaker 4: the road, you're right and start to kind of get
Speaker 4: to where this team needs to be. But I think
Speaker 4: it's important that they are unified. They have the exact
Speaker 4: same messages from manager onto the veteran players onto the
Speaker 4: younger players as well. And again, it's okay to be frustrated,
Speaker 4: It's it's okay to be, you know, bothered by the results.
Speaker 4: It's not okay to panic, and it's not okay to
Speaker 4: lose focus and lose the message. And they haven't been
Speaker 4: doing that, And that gives me a little bit of belief,
Speaker 4: because yeah, I am just like everyone else, emotional, frustrated
Speaker 4: and becoming increasingly pessimistic about the chances. But I also
Speaker 4: have to remind myself, like I'm the I'm the one
Speaker 4: that said, hey, it's gonna take a while before this
Speaker 4: team is up and running full speed ahead. They haven't
Speaker 4: gotten there yet. I just hope that they can. And again,
Speaker 4: it's just a matter of finishing, right, Like you talk
Speaker 4: about the chances created and how dangerous they look, and
Speaker 4: they're just not getting the end result. And I don't
Speaker 4: know how big of a difference it is between getting
Speaker 4: the end result and not getting the end result, but
Speaker 4: it just feels like if they start to get that
Speaker 4: end result, you can start to roll off three goal games,
Speaker 4: four goal games.
Speaker 5: But they haven't been there yet.
Speaker 4: And look, everyone's gonna say recent seasons, this and recent
Speaker 4: seasons that every season's different. I don't play by these
Speaker 4: nonsense trends when you're turning over half the team and
Speaker 4: your entire attack is new and Pedro Robindor played six
Speaker 4: games last year, whatever it was. I just don't go
Speaker 4: with these recent trends and what the team was last
Speaker 4: year or what the team was in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 4: This is this year's team. We're focusing on what the
Speaker 4: problem is now and how to address it.
Speaker 1: You didn't know if you were going to be getting
Speaker 1: into something like this this morning, did Jabe.
Speaker 4: Look, I've already fired Here's what the people don't know.
Speaker 4: I've already fired off three hours of live radio. We
Speaker 4: got to cry about a cy Young Award winner who
Speaker 4: throwing robs and bags faster than he's throwing fastballs.
Speaker 5: So I'm fired up, We're ready.
Speaker 4: I'm in playoff mode because of the Hawk's got a
Speaker 4: game tomorrow like I'm I'm I'm ready to roll.
Speaker 5: And uh, people, I don't know if they were ready
Speaker 5: for me today.
Speaker 2: It's all good, brother.
Speaker 3: Look, Spencer Swellenbaker is gonna win the cy Young this year,
Speaker 3: and it's going to be tragic because I'll take it yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: an important storm brother, But yeah, it it's a lot
Speaker 3: of it is just like I said, I think a
Speaker 3: lot of it is you have a The collection of
Speaker 3: talent you have is very good. The youngsters you have
Speaker 3: are also very good, which is why I am very
Speaker 3: much the proponent of like, if if guys are not
Speaker 3: going to give you the performance you're looking for, then
Speaker 3: go with the kids, because they seem very interested in
Speaker 3: doing just that. Full marks to Tristan, Melli and Ba
Speaker 3: who struggle last year is not good and proceeded to
Speaker 3: uh proceeded to once he once he got hurt, not
Speaker 3: be a guy who could stay on get back on
Speaker 3: the field because Jay Fortune just basically took his cookies
Speaker 3: from me. Tristan reacted the right way this year. It's
Speaker 3: been good. I need more from Sleash consistently. I'll tell you, man,
Speaker 3: the thing that I was begging for in that game
Speaker 3: and I didn't get it till like the eighty seventh
Speaker 3: minute was Mattea's click absolutely putting someone on their ass. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you punched somebody or bite someone. By
Speaker 3: the way Luis Suarez bit someone this weekend, it was Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's honestly what makes it even better. But I'm not
Speaker 3: saying you got to hurt somebody, but this you gotta
Speaker 3: you got to you gotta get stuck the hell in
Speaker 3: on a tack when it's feeling. When you're in a
Speaker 3: game like this, when you're playing a team that has
Speaker 3: really no interest in playing, they don't call it what
Speaker 3: it is. Man like you, you can you can spin
Speaker 3: it and say whatever you want. I've watched way too
Speaker 3: many of these kalb Porter teams that even his comments
Speaker 3: after the game about like convincing the players to buy
Speaker 3: into it, like there's no interest in doing jack shit. No,
Speaker 3: Like you got your penalty and you were able to
Speaker 3: get out there with a one nil Like okay, I
Speaker 3: mean it worked. You know when you people park the
Speaker 3: bus and bunker and break up play because it works,
Speaker 3: They wouldn't do it if it didn't work. But in
Speaker 3: a game like that where the play is getting broken up,
Speaker 3: you're unable to find something even though you're creating chances.
Speaker 3: You're getting hacked down in the midfield to the tune
Speaker 3: of twenty fouls but two yellows, and none of them
Speaker 3: were for persistent infringement. When you're getting that game. It
Speaker 3: shouldn't take to the eighty something if minute for your uh,
Speaker 3: for someone to come off the bench and just put
Speaker 3: someone on their ass and try and change the tenor
Speaker 3: of things. I guess I'm not saying you got to punch.
Speaker 2: Somebody, but.
Speaker 3: Bring some fire, damn man.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I get that you want to bring
Speaker 4: the attitude and all that stuff, but like, none of
Speaker 4: that's relevant to me if you're not able to score
Speaker 4: up top, Like you want to feel better about your
Speaker 4: team because you're spelling up to the physical challenge and whatever,
Speaker 4: like fine, but like you're still behind, Like like you're
Speaker 4: not in my opinion, you're not behind because you didn't
Speaker 4: bring a physical mindset or physical attitude or go toe
Speaker 4: to a toe to with a team that was fouling
Speaker 4: you twenty times. Like finish your chances, man, and I
Speaker 4: think you'll start to see things go differently. I mean,
Speaker 4: I get what you're saying, you want to see a
Speaker 4: little bit more fight, but like I just want to
Speaker 4: see chances created turn it into goal created.
Speaker 5: Like that's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 4: Like I think this team, and I mentioned this, I
Speaker 4: think this team is playing okay defensively. I don't think
Speaker 4: they're right now at the top of their game. And
Speaker 4: a lot of that did had to do with mistakes
Speaker 4: from Derek Williams and some mistakes made on the road
Speaker 4: at Charlotte not from Derek and whatever. But like, this
Speaker 4: team's not a mess defensively, Like the breakdowns have been individual,
Speaker 4: not as a unit. You've had some bad luck, some
Speaker 4: bad bounces, a couple things like that, but like, ultimately
Speaker 4: the attitude for me is irrelevant, Like you just need
Speaker 4: to score goals, and there's that's not an attitude thing.
Speaker 4: I think it's just maybe a little bit of confidence,
Speaker 4: maybe certainly some chemistry, and quite frankly a little bit
Speaker 4: of bad luck. And I think you can get one
Speaker 4: or two of those things to change in the right direction.
Speaker 4: I still think this team can really move ahead quite
Speaker 4: quickly and start to rack up points, but they've got
Speaker 4: to get closer in terms of chances created turning into goals.
Speaker 1: So a, what else is going on now that we've
Speaker 1: held you over and I apologize for that?
Speaker 4: Well, no, I mean, look, I think we're all frustrated,
Speaker 4: and I mean we see this sometimes in other sports.
Speaker 4: Homestand didn't go the way you wanted and I'm just
Speaker 4: hoping that a two game road trip against two difficult teams,
Speaker 4: and like we've seen this from the Atlanta Hawks all
Speaker 4: season long. I think at times we saw this from
Speaker 4: the Atlanta Falcons, like Ken United at least showcase that
Speaker 4: they can play up or down to the lever or
Speaker 4: the competition. Obviously against New England they played down to
Speaker 4: the level of the competition. But a very difficult road
Speaker 4: trip Philly and Orlando City and you're looking to play
Speaker 4: up to your level of competition, and maybe that's the case,
Speaker 4: but getting away from home maybe is some good news
Speaker 4: for Atlanta United. I'm actually gonna be out this week.
Speaker 4: I'm on a vacation with my father, but Garrett, we'll
Speaker 4: have you for a pregame and post game on Saturday,
Speaker 4: and just like always, is gonna be on ninety two
Speaker 4: nine the game. He's got Madison Cruz hanging out there
Speaker 4: with him, so you'll be covered head to toe with
Speaker 4: the soccer down here. Family, and I look forward to
Speaker 4: watching this one kind of from afar and seeing if
Speaker 4: they can just convince Like I see all these messages
Speaker 4: that we got going on there, and it just feels
Speaker 4: like one win on the road can kind of change
Speaker 4: things and and and we'll see if they can put
Speaker 4: that together.
Speaker 1: Uh, Saturday night, all right, so uh it's another minor
Speaker 1: league baseball or another baseball tour with your dad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, minor league baseball.
Speaker 4: We're heading to uh we're actually heading to Charlotte and
Speaker 4: uh so we'll see the Charlotte Knights, We'll see the
Speaker 4: Durham Bulls. Might even check out Greenville. We'll we'll see
Speaker 4: if we stop by on the way back. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: it should be pretty fun obviously.
Speaker 1: So if you can hit the bull, hit bull, I'll
Speaker 1: work on it. Hit bullwind steak, hit to hit grass
Speaker 1: wind salad. That's how it always goes. As always, my friend.
Speaker 1: Great to see you on Moneys. We'll catch up with
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 5: Yep, see fellas.
Speaker 4: Thanks.
Speaker 2: All right, there goes Abe. And I know that we
Speaker 2: kept him long.
Speaker 1: And I know that everybody there at Colony Score is
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and go where were you? And Abe's
Speaker 1: gonna have to sit there and say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of busy.
Speaker 3: No, Mike's probably sitting in his office going you just finished,
Speaker 3: didn't you, Because Mike's also Mike is also in the
Speaker 3: mode of getting ready for the Atlanta Hawks to do
Speaker 3: some very stupid basketball things, because to his point, I
Speaker 3: watched that Hawks team lose two games to the Washington
Speaker 3: Wizards this year, who were an abominable franchise, and then
Speaker 3: beat the Cleveland Cavaliers twice. Yeah, I can never sit here.
Speaker 3: I will never endorse the Atlanta cannot go on the
Speaker 3: road and be Philly. I think it was two year ago,
Speaker 3: last year or two years ago they went up to
Speaker 3: Philly and went down like two or three nil, and
Speaker 3: damn near came back won. It's they're too Part of
Speaker 3: part of being maddeningly inconsistent is that at some point
Speaker 3: you're gonna do really good, stupid things. The part that's
Speaker 3: gonna make you want to pull your hair out is
Speaker 3: the fact that it's just not gonna because you might
Speaker 3: you might get that in Philly. Like if you told
Speaker 3: me in Philly or Orlando, one of the two they
Speaker 3: put together the most complete performance of the season and
Speaker 3: get a road wind that is one of your signature
Speaker 3: performances of the year, and then follow that up with
Speaker 3: something mind numbingly frustrating. I would buy that for ten
Speaker 3: dollars because that's right now that's who they are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what we're talking about this morning. I
Speaker 1: know everybody's fired up. Okay, So Abby wanted Niggy's stats.
Speaker 1: So here's Miggy's numbers from Saturday ninety minutes. The XG
Speaker 1: plus XA is a point seventy three, two shots on target,
Speaker 1: one shot off target, one block, one successful dribble, sixty
Speaker 1: one touches, seventy one percent accurate passing at twenty seven
Speaker 1: to thirty eight, three of four in his long balls,
Speaker 1: four of eight on his ground duels, and fouled three times.
Speaker 1: And that's Migy's numbers. So there you go. So Abby
Speaker 1: wanted Miggy's numbers. On the day, punched.
Speaker 2: A seven point one, which puts him in the higher
Speaker 2: range of folks.
Speaker 3: No, it didn't count. Those one of the prettiest finishes
Speaker 3: of the year. Yeah, just foot around a ball. Yeah
Speaker 3: really nice.
Speaker 1: Yep Out at a seven point nine, Brooks at a
Speaker 1: seven point eight. Uh midn' chook at a seven point two,
Speaker 1: Miggy slash and Gregorson at seven point one, Tristan at
Speaker 1: a seven point zero, and then everybody else was in
Speaker 1: the sixes. So that's your that's your rundown. We'll go
Speaker 1: into individual numbers if anybody else wants, So there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a couple turnovers that were bad man,
Speaker 3: and like I said, everybody did right now. It just
Speaker 3: it feels out of it feels I said in the discord.
Speaker 3: It feels like watching someone play music and they're like
Speaker 3: one sixteenth note behind the beat. Oh, and you can
Speaker 3: hear it and it's going to drive you up a wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this was so because Tom's touching on this. This
Speaker 3: was one of my concerns when you brought Miggy back,
Speaker 3: is that al Maron is is. This is twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five version, and I'm not saying anyone here had this.
Speaker 3: So don't get defensive if you were expecting twenty eighteen Mickey,
Speaker 3: I have bad news for you.
Speaker 2: He's not that guy anymore.
Speaker 3: He's just not the same player, and you weren't asking
Speaker 3: him to do the same things. If you decide to
Speaker 3: go get wild, I know, I know there is the
Speaker 3: push to have the push to have Mickey play as
Speaker 3: the ten, have Manonchouk plays the eight. You better go
Speaker 3: get a destroying six then, because you're gonna have hemorrhage goals.
Speaker 3: More than you already are if you do that, because
Speaker 3: Benon Chruk is like you're you're asking him to play
Speaker 3: a deep line playmaker. I'm good with that. I think
Speaker 3: that fits him.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: You need to make sure that you have a killer six,
Speaker 3: and I don't think that's that's Tristan's game. I don't
Speaker 3: think that's Bart's game. I think Jay can do it.
Speaker 3: But that's just like you need a different kind of
Speaker 3: six to sit man like as you are going to
Speaker 3: hemorrhage chances in that situation. Not to say that guys
Speaker 3: won't try and defend, but you're gonna need like a
Speaker 3: flat out destroyer to pull that off. And if you
Speaker 3: can do it, and if you decide to do it
Speaker 3: and take a risk, I'm not opposed to it. But
Speaker 3: that's just something you got to consider about it, because
Speaker 3: like you just it's the same thing with like, hey,
Speaker 3: let's bring this back. It's the same thing like with
Speaker 3: watching with watching the New York Yankees at times last
Speaker 3: year and in the World series, where they decided, what
Speaker 3: if we had this amazing offense, great, what next? What
Speaker 3: about defense? We'll worry about that. What's the worst that
Speaker 3: could happen?
Speaker 2: You get outscored eleven ten.
Speaker 3: Well, know, the worst that could happen is the World
Speaker 3: Series where the Yankees just basically refuse to play defense consistently,
Speaker 3: including your center field or just dropping a ball and
Speaker 3: your pitcher refusing actively refusing to cover first base on
Speaker 3: a ground ball to the first baseman that wasn't going
Speaker 3: toward the bag. Oh my god, I I was over.
Speaker 3: I was like, I was my blood was boiling when
Speaker 3: everyone was blaming Aaron Judge for that. As if Garrett
Speaker 3: Cole doesn't literally do like you. One of the the
Speaker 3: first things you do in spring training is PfP MH
Speaker 3: ball hit the first base. But if he's going away
Speaker 3: from the bag, or if it's a runner with speed,
Speaker 3: you get to the line and you you get to
Speaker 3: the first base line and then you cut up and
Speaker 3: you run along the line to the first base bag
Speaker 3: and you make yourself available for your pitcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, yeah, no, one of the drills that we
Speaker 1: did when I was in ball, that's what you did
Speaker 1: when you were a pitcher, balls in between first and
Speaker 1: second first baseman can't get to the bag in time,
Speaker 1: you you as a pitcher, or to run a straight
Speaker 1: line to the first base side run or run an
Speaker 1: arc and get there.
Speaker 2: Make sure that you're in line and you're following to first.
Speaker 3: Base being you have to keep in mind the defense
Speaker 3: with it. Yes and no, no, there, I don't mean
Speaker 3: like that. It's a I don't mean that. It's it
Speaker 3: is a flat out poorly constructed roster because you don't
Speaker 3: have a destroying six like what you had in what
Speaker 3: what what you had in mind was to play with
Speaker 3: those guys interchanging, and it doesn't they they do not
Speaker 3: tend to be interchanging in rhythm. So if the way
Speaker 3: to make it work is gonna be to do that,
Speaker 3: then you need to have someone who can sit back
Speaker 3: and be an absolute wall defensively. And it's if that's
Speaker 3: not what you were expecting, that's not what you were expecting.
Speaker 2: And that stinks.
Speaker 3: But and then if you do you intended to play
Speaker 3: with two. You intended to play with two holding midfielders
Speaker 3: back there and let everyone else get forward. But if
Speaker 3: that's not working, you've got to make adjustments and you've
Speaker 3: got to figure some stuff out. You're gonna have to
Speaker 3: start like shaving puzzle pieces. Yeah, I mean, does it's
Speaker 3: very annoying?
Speaker 1: Does it turn into a you know, does it turn
Speaker 1: into a three two three two?
Speaker 2: Does it?
Speaker 1: You know, does it turn into something like that? You know,
Speaker 1: do you start with your three center backs? And if
Speaker 1: you say, if you want your marauding six and you
Speaker 1: think that Jay's doing it, then that means that somebody's
Speaker 1: sitting unless you're gonna have like seventeen midfielders and play
Speaker 1: like a three seventeen to two one. So there's gonna
Speaker 1: be questions when it comes to the lineup. If you
Speaker 1: if you want to do certain things, then you're going
Speaker 1: to have to rearrange your cards and figure out, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if if I want my six and I think it's
Speaker 1: Jay and it's a solo six, then someone's sitting. And
Speaker 1: so that's what you're looking at here. It's not just
Speaker 1: you know, if then it's okay, If it's not this,
Speaker 1: then it's this, and then you've got to figure out
Speaker 1: all these other pieces and how they're gonna try and fit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, it's not that simple. It's unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: I think because because here's the thing as well, when
Speaker 3: we saw it in preseason, we everybody was excited. And
Speaker 3: what you were seeing in preseason was what basic structure
Speaker 3: of what you've done this year. It's not like you
Speaker 3: practice something in preseason. This isn't Ted Lasso where you
Speaker 3: decided to change your entire philosophy and went to like
Speaker 3: Dutch total football in the span of a week and
Speaker 3: made it work. Because it's a fictional TV.
Speaker 2: Show, episodic characters, so one episode you get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's not like you. It's not like
Speaker 3: you went through preseason doing one thing and decided to
Speaker 3: just do an entirely different thing in the season I have.
Speaker 3: I have no idea how to fix them though, and
Speaker 3: if I did, I'm sure I would not be sitting here.
Speaker 3: But I'm also I'm also not sure, uh how you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how how they go about dealing with that,
Speaker 3: and I'm I and abe and I will disagree with it.
Speaker 3: I'm still angry about the lack of a fight and
Speaker 3: this and honestly, John, for me, it goes back to
Speaker 3: the Nashville game last year. We talked about, you know,
Speaker 3: the performances that were lackluster under Rob Valentino. That Nashville
Speaker 3: game at home where you lost I think two nil
Speaker 3: was one of the most disappointing performances I've ever seen
Speaker 3: from anyone in Atlanta United shirt because you lost to
Speaker 3: what was an objectively bad Nashville team and then proceeded
Speaker 3: to get like get manhandled by them, like they were
Speaker 3: throwing tackles at you, trucking your guys from behind. You
Speaker 3: had knocking guys down left and right, and nobody did
Speaker 3: a damn thing about it. Now this goes back to
Speaker 3: like y'all want to take it back to like another
Speaker 3: sport again back in the day when the Falcons had
Speaker 3: these issues after Harvey Dahl left, where like Matt Ryan
Speaker 3: would get roughed and there was no offensive lineman like
Speaker 3: coming up to fight somebody. Nah, you got to protect
Speaker 3: a quarterback. And if in that game was Ron Rnandez,
Speaker 3: I think got absolutely annihilated. If Ronal Hernandez is getting
Speaker 3: annihilated with a cheap shot, you don't have to go
Speaker 3: throw a punch, but you better damn well be in
Speaker 3: somebody's face and ask them if they want to have
Speaker 3: a problem about it. And I don't think you have
Speaker 3: those balls right now, and that's not okay for.
Speaker 2: Me, And that to me is another issue.
Speaker 1: You know it's well And then when Bart comes in
Speaker 1: an hour number two, and we'll discuss the after effects
Speaker 1: of that particular incident with you.
Speaker 3: Tom, you might want to put it on met bud,
Speaker 3: because we are gonna have to talk about the not
Speaker 3: just that game. We'll talk about other officiating, but we
Speaker 3: are literally bringing Bart on it. We always talk about officiatings.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, and so Tom just this is just a
Speaker 2: fair Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, but Tom, I want Tom and other stand that
Speaker 1: we are working two lanes of traffic. We're not combining
Speaker 1: the issues to create one thing to talk about. We're
Speaker 1: talking about instances that happen, understanding where pro is coming from,
Speaker 1: looking at the laws of the game, and understanding things philosophically.
Speaker 1: It happens to be in the context of the Atlanta
Speaker 1: United match, but I'm pulling it to the side.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. You know, the the match itself
Speaker 2: is one thing.
Speaker 1: Understanding where officials are coming from with their calls, and
Speaker 1: understanding the laws of the game so we can all
Speaker 1: look at the look at the game better. That's where
Speaker 1: Bart comes in in these discussions. Yes, Bart does come
Speaker 1: in with opinion.
Speaker 3: Yes, the part's gonna be mad about the team in general,
Speaker 3: so you'll get that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you'll you'll get you'll get Bart's displeasure. But
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do and what we do with
Speaker 1: this segment, it just so happens. At this time, it's
Speaker 1: going to be more focused about events that occurred inside
Speaker 1: the Atlanta United match. It's to understand where referees are
Speaker 1: coming from, where the decisions are being made and specifically
Speaker 1: involving review and laws of the game, and where it
Speaker 1: comes in. It's not necessarily putting the fault on the official.
Speaker 1: It's understanding where the official is coming from and understanding
Speaker 1: the laws of the game so in the future we
Speaker 1: can all be more informed when it comes to events
Speaker 1: like this. That's why that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 1: It's two lanes of traffic. It's not going to be
Speaker 1: blending them together. It just so happens that it's in
Speaker 1: the Atlanta United match and it gives us things to
Speaker 1: talk about, So that's why we do it.
Speaker 3: And again it's there the two lanes of traffic thing
Speaker 3: is also the fact.
Speaker 2: That yeah, like it's.
Speaker 3: Well ANLIO in this case, it's understanding why the call
Speaker 3: was made as well. And this is also why one
Speaker 3: of my favorite things every week and why I get
Speaker 3: really pissy with this league and with pro One of
Speaker 3: my favorite things every week is the Saturday when they
Speaker 3: do like the inside video review where they talk about,
Speaker 3: you know, here's the var calls that happened this week.
Speaker 3: And sometimes not consistently enough, but sometimes they'll like post
Speaker 3: the audio and the video of you can hear the
Speaker 3: var and the center RAF talking about it. And that's
Speaker 3: what I want more of. I want that transparency, and
Speaker 3: not just transparency so we know what they're saying. This
Speaker 3: isn't like a black a black helicopter conspiracy of I
Speaker 3: need to know what they're saying. So they're going, hey,
Speaker 3: we gotta we gotta rig it against them. No, none
Speaker 3: of that shit. It's a Hey, what was the process?
Speaker 3: What the Oh, that's what they're looking for. That's why
Speaker 3: they called that. Now we know going forward, Hey, if
Speaker 3: we get an situation like that, this is what we
Speaker 3: need to look for as fans because the laws of
Speaker 3: the game are changing every couple of years and they
Speaker 3: update descriptions and definitions, and we need to be as
Speaker 3: fans and as people in our case who are just
Speaker 3: people yelling at clouds, we need to be aware and
Speaker 3: need to be educated on why Yeah, like why did
Speaker 3: you make Oh, you made that call because X, Y
Speaker 3: and Z absolutely the right decision. Cool, now we know
Speaker 3: for the future, Yeah, man, Like.
Speaker 2: We'll talk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, we'll talk about the calls. We'll figure
Speaker 3: out like why they were made, what was the logic
Speaker 3: behind it?
Speaker 6: Cool?
Speaker 3: And again I am happy to keep talking about the
Speaker 3: fact that I am disappointed with and it's not the
Speaker 3: be all end all, Like my complaints about like my
Speaker 3: complaints about the the the physicality are not the be
Speaker 3: all end all. Obviously you have to put them on
Speaker 3: the back of that that's not the be all end all.
Speaker 3: But that is one of my complaints is that I
Speaker 3: wanted in a game like that where where I felt
Speaker 3: like in New England was doing what New England was
Speaker 3: gonna do, and that they got stuck in in the
Speaker 3: middle of the second half they had like they had
Speaker 3: like I think like five or six foulsand like a
Speaker 3: hilarious short amount of time they are able to break
Speaker 3: up play, and it's hard to build a rhythm when
Speaker 3: play is getting broken up constantly. Yeah, how do you
Speaker 3: deal with that? If they're going to break up play
Speaker 3: on you and knock you down every time you try
Speaker 3: and you know, like ah we oh you want to dribble,
Speaker 3: you start going to the midfield. Okay, you played a
Speaker 3: pass and it's not a true transition moment, So it's
Speaker 3: not gonna be a yellow card situation. How do you
Speaker 3: deal with that when a team is just going to
Speaker 3: be like bashing your skull in? It's hard because yeah,
Speaker 3: if persistent in fringeman is gonna get called, and that's
Speaker 3: a discretion of the official. John. There are times for
Speaker 3: me like I'm I'm taking matters into my own hands. Brother, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's me. That's how I'm gonna deal with this. Is
Speaker 3: And not to say you're gonna fight somebody, like I said,
Speaker 3: You're not saying you're gonna fight somebody or try and
Speaker 3: hurt somebody, but you're gonna get stuck in a tackle.
Speaker 3: You're gonna throw somebody down. And if you gotta eat
Speaker 3: a yellow card to do it, even if you feel
Speaker 3: like you shouldn't have got a yellow card, if I
Speaker 3: gotta eat a yellow card to do it, and if
Speaker 3: that wakes people up or maybe changes the tenor of
Speaker 3: the game a bit, then so well be it. Man
Speaker 3: Like yellow card received and mission accomplished.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, to your point, you're going into
Speaker 1: two matches on the road in Philly, and we know
Speaker 1: what Philly's gonna bring to the table. Philly's gonna be
Speaker 1: the same thing. It's gonna be slightly it's gonna be
Speaker 1: bullsy in with Bradley Carnell with a bit of a twist.
Speaker 2: So we know what we're gonna have with Philly.
Speaker 1: With Philly, with offense and ty Baribou, it's almost like
Speaker 1: two separate things. It's like they've cut they've cut a line,
Speaker 1: and it's like there's the Philly part and then there's
Speaker 1: this Offense that we were trying to figure out.
Speaker 3: And Philly's gonna be weird too, man, because Daniel Gazdag's gone. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Like Daniel Gazdog was one of those difference makers for Philly.
Speaker 3: They just shipped him over to Columbus for four million
Speaker 3: for whatever the hell reason. I'm sorry, Rich, Sorry sorry, Rich, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know why Philly does some of the things
Speaker 3: they do, Like I work. My concern for people like Rich,
Speaker 3: the Philadelphia fans of the world, as there are a
Speaker 3: few of them, My concern for Philly is that they
Speaker 3: are going to basically end up being what Red Bulls
Speaker 3: were before before last year, which is a team that's
Speaker 3: gonna put together some really good stretches, some really stretches
Speaker 3: because it's just part of the style, I think. But
Speaker 3: then I'm worried they're not gonna have that difference making
Speaker 3: like Emil Forstburg was that difference maker for Red Bulls,
Speaker 3: like that guy who could grab the game by the
Speaker 3: throat that Red Bulls missed four years, Like they went
Speaker 3: years without having that guy, and they tried so hard
Speaker 3: to make it work. But Philly had it, Like go
Speaker 3: back to the the the MLS Cup final against La
Speaker 3: Philly had those difference makers. And if that, if that,
Speaker 3: if that MLS Cup haunts you the same way like
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl haunts me. I don't blame you because
Speaker 3: it was there, it was yours to win. You had
Speaker 3: it and Gareth Bale got off the back nine just
Speaker 3: long enough to ruin your hopes and dreams and that stinks.
Speaker 3: But I worry that Philly is not going to have
Speaker 3: those difference makers when it come push comes to shove
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. But they're winning games right now, so.
Speaker 2: That's nice. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think they lost this weekend. They lost in New York.
Speaker 2: Oh Philly, did they it was a one?
Speaker 3: Did they win or lose? There's one nil? Hang on,
Speaker 3: Philly has been kind of weird. Philly has been weird.
Speaker 3: But again that's that. I think it's that style, like
Speaker 3: you're gonna have good and bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah you are, And I mean that's just it's you're
Speaker 1: gonna have pressing, have ty Brebo scoring like nine goals,
Speaker 1: you know, in format, and then it's gonna be shut
Speaker 1: down completely.
Speaker 2: Uh Philly lost in my C one nil.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Man, Okay, So this is the other thing I
Speaker 3: wanted to to get one of the other things that
Speaker 3: made me mad.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go back to that New York game in Atlanta, U,
Speaker 3: the one where everybody had their stomach pumped. Yes, I
Speaker 3: said as that game ended, that's the kind that was
Speaker 3: the kind of game that can galvanize, galvanize a locker room,
Speaker 3: like you're down by two goals, you come back. That
Speaker 3: was the kind of thing that could have gal that
Speaker 3: should have that can galvanize a locker room, and then
Speaker 3: to draw and lose the next home matches. It just
Speaker 3: feels like you you let the air out of the
Speaker 3: balloon as quickly as possible and It's disappointing because on
Speaker 3: the back of that New York game, that felt like
Speaker 3: the kind of game where you look back on it
Speaker 3: and like, oh, that's when things got that's when things
Speaker 3: turned around, and just didn't. Man, that's disappointing, yes, because
Speaker 3: it felt like those should have been the moments.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway, go ahead. No, I mean, no, you're
Speaker 2: on a roll.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm just sitting here and letting everybody what
Speaker 1: what else. What I also like to do with Reaction
Speaker 1: Mondays is just let everybody speak their piece, whether it's
Speaker 1: in the twitch pitch or you know, guess that come
Speaker 1: on on the show. I just look, say your piece,
Speaker 1: get it off your chest, because I don't want you
Speaker 1: to hang on to it. It's it's count it's counterproductive
Speaker 1: to the the the physical and emotion well being. So look,
Speaker 1: whatever's on your mind, get it off your chest. Mondy toozy,
Speaker 1: that's what it's there for. Just get it bent and go.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you don't want to hang onto something.
Speaker 1: That's just bad bad juju. If you hang onto something
Speaker 1: and it's all it's all there but it, you know,
Speaker 1: just get it off your chest. That's what reaction Mondys
Speaker 1: are for and you've been reacting well this morning.
Speaker 3: I'm just sad. Well it should, but but it should. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing that it should have. That
Speaker 3: felt like the kind of thing that would have galvanized you.
Speaker 3: And then the the Dallas game was the Dallas game
Speaker 3: felt more like a microcosm of the season than this
Speaker 3: did this for I think it's the thing for me, Like,
Speaker 3: my frustration is obviously about like you know, getting stuck
Speaker 3: in on stuff, and I my my my issues with
Speaker 3: like Caleb Porter teams in general, notwithstanding a modern Caleb Porter,
Speaker 3: like Portland Cable Porter was actually a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: My issues with with all that basically being that Dallas
Speaker 3: game felt more like a microcosm of Atlanta than and
Speaker 3: then this because that Dallas game was, that Dallas game
Speaker 3: was you got the early penalty, great, you dominated the
Speaker 3: first forty five minutes, like you should have absolutely blown
Speaker 3: Dallas out of that game, and the second half should
Speaker 3: have just basically been for kicks and giggles, and that
Speaker 3: you didn't, you didn't finish it off. Yeah, that to
Speaker 3: me felt more like that to me felt more like
Speaker 3: the issue that we've seen this year of a team
Speaker 3: that is really good early in games. Can't put teams away,
Speaker 3: let them hang around. Somebody makes a mistake, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you're not winning games. So that that
Speaker 3: that one felt more like it to me, and this
Speaker 3: one just felt like a Oh, we gave up a
Speaker 3: dumb penalty and had a really weird game against a
Speaker 3: team that really had no interest in playing, and and
Speaker 3: being on the back of all the other stupid stuff
Speaker 3: just made it so much worse.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yes, time to bring in Bart because Bart was
Speaker 1: That's like I caught Bart. I surprised he was doing
Speaker 1: something in the green room and I thought he was
Speaker 1: diving off camera. All right, Time to bring in Bart.
Speaker 1: It's our number two and Bart this morning. It's been
Speaker 1: interesting because they're sad. Yeah, he's Jared is sad. He's
Speaker 1: also pissed off. And what I want to do with
Speaker 1: you in addition to uh talk about PTJ and another
Speaker 1: you know, big f a cup, get into happy thing.
Speaker 6: That's John. That's a happy thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Rory mckelroy won the Masters and it was Grand Slam.
Speaker 3: He looked so that was such a beautiful moment. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that guy dropped to his knees crying after he Uh so,
Speaker 3: I my complaint being this morning that like Bryson day
Speaker 3: Chambeau is complaining into Yahoo, Rory didn't talk to me
Speaker 3: the entire time. Like, yeah, Rory's trying not to throw
Speaker 3: up the entire time because actively choking away the masters,
Speaker 3: hitting an amazing shot and then choking it back at
Speaker 3: alternating in the last five holes. He was just trying
Speaker 3: to throw up.
Speaker 2: Brother, He's kind of focusing on something that, ain't you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he he didn't want to talk and he has
Speaker 3: a green jacket. You did want to talk and you
Speaker 3: choked on the back nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, anyway, had a Bryson probably needed to focus
Speaker 6: a little bit more on his own play, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyway, so here here's here's here's Rory's back nine.
Speaker 1: By the way, Bertie Bertie Bogey Parr double Bogie, Bertie Parr,
Speaker 1: Bertie Bogey.
Speaker 2: That's his back nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that double was at best.
Speaker 3: Double was one of the worst shots I've ever seen
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 6: Humboy just needed to say.
Speaker 2: Dry Uh yeah, no, didn't.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was listening to it, you know. I will
Speaker 6: say the golf coverage, especially on the Masters on radio
Speaker 6: is really awesome. Mike Trico anchored that cover. I was
Speaker 6: listening to it on my way back from refereeing last night,
Speaker 6: and props to Mike Trico, Man, I think he's probably,
Speaker 6: for my money, the best play by play guy out there.
Speaker 6: And then you get the TV commentary with Jim Nance,
Speaker 6: who is definitely the best when it comes to golf.
Speaker 2: That was that was fun. Hello friends, all right, so
Speaker 2: what you know what we want?
Speaker 6: John? What are we talking about this morning speaking of
Speaker 6: up and down performances?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, what I want to do, and I mentioned this
Speaker 1: in our number one is lead off is when we
Speaker 1: do cards and calls and reffing down here, I want
Speaker 1: it to be an education. I wanted to look at
Speaker 1: the philosophy of officials and get into the thought.
Speaker 6: John, how am I supposed to teach theory when they
Speaker 6: don't teach practic?
Speaker 2: You know? And that's yeah, that's what Derek in the
Speaker 2: chat this morning.
Speaker 1: Uh So what this may end up being is trying
Speaker 1: to get inside the head of Alexis to Silva and
Speaker 1: apply it to.
Speaker 6: The I don't think well, okay boy.
Speaker 2: Well, but like I said, what I want to do is.
Speaker 3: Or has a dusty tone that he's going to pull
Speaker 3: out of like a hole in the wall that.
Speaker 6: Just you know, to scare, right. I feel like that's
Speaker 6: what's going to happen. I used to so back in
Speaker 6: a previous life when I was in grad school, I
Speaker 6: tutored the student athletes of you. That was my grad assistantship,
Speaker 6: if you will. And because at Lenora Ryan University they
Speaker 6: made us take out least two philosophy classes on top
Speaker 6: of the political philosophy class I had to take for
Speaker 6: my polycy degree, you know, I got to I got
Speaker 6: to tutor a lot of kids in their philosophy classes.
Speaker 6: All that to say is it don't mean shit if
Speaker 6: you don't apply it right. So, and that's where I
Speaker 6: think we're at today with this particular conversation right on
Speaker 6: multiple levels. And I hope we do go through the
Speaker 6: physical thing we saw happen on the field right offside,
Speaker 6: but then further, I think the more philosophical conversation. And
Speaker 6: I'll shout out rob Us three, who's kind of doesn't
Speaker 6: like to talk referees, but I think he hit the
Speaker 6: right tone with this is.
Speaker 2: Why was var.
Speaker 6: Intervening here? And I think that is the philosophical conversation
Speaker 6: we do need to get into is clear and obvious error? Yes,
Speaker 6: where was the clear and obvious error here?
Speaker 2: Right? And that's and so.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I've labeled the play correctly, and
Speaker 1: if I haven't, I'll dump out of it. But this
Speaker 1: is the play that I wanted to get into to
Speaker 1: discuss things and our starting point here with cards and
Speaker 1: calls and reffing down here. If I'm not mistaken, this
Speaker 1: is let me see. I think it's Josh and Jamie
Speaker 1: on Apple TV and Season Pass a.
Speaker 2: Lot trying to put it in on the surface I'm
Speaker 2: at or.
Speaker 1: Another cross going back post flipped away by Pison almroon.
Speaker 3: The Galoberone.
Speaker 7: Get to Albarone, so quickly just touch it back first time.
Speaker 7: It gives him the space and his body positioning to
Speaker 7: open up as he receives it, sets it perfectly in.
Speaker 2: And this is still being checks.
Speaker 1: This is going to var for possible offside.
Speaker 8: And so what happened in this moment was when that
Speaker 8: ball initially came in from Latte Lot, the player received
Speaker 8: it for Atlanta was offside. So now before it gets
Speaker 8: to Almaron, there has to be a decision. But I
Speaker 8: think that ball was intentionally played back. Shouldn't a gate
Speaker 8: the off side? How was an interesting decision to fall
Speaker 8: with the other direction.
Speaker 6: I reveal eighteen was offside position.
Speaker 3: Prior to the g right on that decision.
Speaker 1: So Jamie was on it from the absolute yes on
Speaker 1: the call from Apple TV plus.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go from the beginning. Let's walk through it.
Speaker 1: So, all right, so the the part in question is
Speaker 1: in Josh's call where he says the ball is flicked
Speaker 1: away by Tanner best threat. That is in in Josh
Speaker 1: this I'm using Josh's words here since we're since we're audio,
Speaker 1: So Josh says the ball was flicked away by Tanner
Speaker 1: Beeson and that was the defining action of this particular call.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get the bar yet, but that
Speaker 1: is why it was referred to as off side.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 1: Now, well, we got into the discussion. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get into the idea of deliberate action, and that is
Speaker 1: where I think the defining idea is here, is defining
Speaker 1: action versus basically self defense. So run through the differences
Speaker 1: first and then we'll apply it to what happened in
Speaker 1: the match this weekend.
Speaker 6: So here, let's start with what happened as we saw
Speaker 6: it on the field right, and the fact that there
Speaker 6: was a bad cross set into the box shocking. That
Speaker 6: was the storyline for Atlanta on that day. And the
Speaker 6: defender in some form or fashion gets in the way
Speaker 6: of the ball, causing a deflection that goes off to
Speaker 6: an offside Pedro Amadora. Pedro was in an offside position
Speaker 6: when the ball was originally kicked by his teammate. What
Speaker 6: we are looking at here is why did that ball
Speaker 6: get to him? Because if it was a pass from
Speaker 6: a kick from his teammate right, he would be in
Speaker 6: an offside position in this incident, the defender I have
Speaker 6: a lot of issues with this, mainly physics.
Speaker 2: We got time break them down.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter mainly physics, but the defender in this case,
Speaker 6: the ball clearly hits the defender. Yeah, and then the
Speaker 6: ball goes not just through his legs or close by,
Speaker 6: it makes a very long travel to Paedrominor And I
Speaker 6: think that to me is where I'm going to get
Speaker 6: the most problematic like with this interpretation. So when we
Speaker 6: talk about a deliberate action, so the laws of the
Speaker 6: game say a player in an offside position receiving the
Speaker 6: ball from an opponent who deliberately played asterisk the ball,
Speaker 6: including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained
Speaker 6: an advantage unless it was a deliberate save by the goalkeeper. Right,
Speaker 6: So we know that if the goalkeeper saves it, you
Speaker 6: can still be offside. We know that part asterisk deliberate
Speaker 6: play excluding deliberate handball, because that would obviously be a
Speaker 6: free kick, is when a player has control of the
Speaker 6: ball with the possibility of passing the ball to a teammate,
Speaker 6: gaining possession of the ball, or clearing the ball by
Speaker 6: kicking or heading it. That is parentheses. An example, if
Speaker 6: the pass attempt to gain possession or clearance by the
Speaker 6: player in control of the ball is inaccurate or unsuccessful,
Speaker 6: which I think we can all agree that clearance was
Speaker 6: both inaccurate and unsuccessful.
Speaker 3: It looked like a media game clearance someone who makes
Speaker 3: media game clearances.
Speaker 6: If the possession or clearance is inaccurate or unsuccessful, this
Speaker 6: does not negate the fact that the player deliberately played
Speaker 6: the ball. So that is the general thing. Now we
Speaker 6: need to get into more of the kind of referee training.
Speaker 6: Part of this the following criteria should be used as
Speaker 6: appropriate of indicators of when that a player was in
Speaker 6: control of the ball and as a result, can be
Speaker 6: considered to have quote deliberately played the ball. The ball
Speaker 6: traveled from distance and the player had a clear view
Speaker 6: of it. John, the cross shot whatever traveled from outside
Speaker 6: of the box to about two feet in front of
Speaker 6: the six right and as far as I know that player,
Speaker 6: the defender, there was no one really in between him
Speaker 6: and the shot. So I think that is very clearly
Speaker 6: a criteria met for a deliberate action. Okay, the ball
Speaker 6: was not moving quickly this one. You could have a
Speaker 6: little bit of you know, it wasn't like it was
Speaker 6: just pass to him. It was moving somewhat quickly, but
Speaker 6: I think when you look at distance traveled, it wasn't
Speaker 6: that quick. The direction of the ball was not unexpected.
Speaker 6: I mean, look again, I can joke about Atlanta Nighted
Speaker 6: putting in bad crosses or whatever you want to talk about,
Speaker 6: but that was.
Speaker 3: And those jokes will land better than the crosses will.
Speaker 6: I mean they did, but I don't think that the
Speaker 6: direction of the ball was not unexpected. Right, you're defending
Speaker 6: from across slash shot from the top of the penalty area.
Speaker 6: That's not unexpected, and the player had time to coordinate
Speaker 6: their body movement, and I e. It was not a
Speaker 6: case of instinctive stretching or jumping. Now, I do think
Speaker 6: that you could say this was instinctive stretching or jumping,
Speaker 6: right like, that's totally a fair thing. But I think
Speaker 6: when you look at the distance traveled and the speed
Speaker 6: the ball was going at, and also the fact that
Speaker 6: he clearly stretched to try to block a shot or
Speaker 6: clear the ball, one of the two, right like, this
Speaker 6: was an intentional in my opinion act. Now, intention doesn't matter,
Speaker 6: but I'm saying from my view as someone who has
Speaker 6: played this game for thirty years, this was intentional.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: I've been playing this game since I was four, so
Speaker 6: it's been a while. Again, intention doesn't matter. We're talking
Speaker 6: deliberate versus attention. We can talk about John, you can
Speaker 6: go argue with you know, all the other English scholars
Speaker 6: about intentional versus deliberate. But anyway, for me, it was intentional.
Speaker 6: But we don't care about intentional. We're looking at deliberate.
Speaker 6: I think that the player had time to coordinate their
Speaker 6: body movement. This clearly looked like an attempt to deliberately
Speaker 6: affect the flight and travel of the ball in some
Speaker 6: manner that was more than just deflect a shot. That's
Speaker 6: what we're kind of looking at here, right, Like, it's
Speaker 6: not like he's just getting the way to deflect a shot.
Speaker 6: The ball is outside of his frame of body, right,
Speaker 6: he has to type a step and a lunch to
Speaker 6: get it. Yeah, he's fully fully there were multiple deliberate
Speaker 6: actions here, in my opinion, beyond just playing the ball
Speaker 6: and the other one John, And this is where when
Speaker 6: we talk about two things that we talked about specifically
Speaker 6: in this training. Playing with our feet or legs specifically, yes,
Speaker 6: we give less benefit of the doubt to the defender.
Speaker 6: Let's put it that way, because the sport is played
Speaker 6: with our feet and legs. So a header, we're not
Speaker 6: as like, yes, if you're trying to head the ball,
Speaker 6: that can be deliberate, but we're understanding that heading the
Speaker 6: ball is kind of like a we're just trying to
Speaker 6: make a defensive action and let's see what happens. Not
Speaker 6: as much in control, whereas when the ball is at
Speaker 6: our feet in a sport of soccer, we assume some
Speaker 6: level of control can be had because that's how we
Speaker 6: played this sport. The last part is important to me
Speaker 6: here the ball moving on the ground is easier to
Speaker 6: play than a ball near now, John, Yes, sir, Was
Speaker 6: this ball on the ground or in the air?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I would say yes to both at times during the play,
Speaker 1: but specifically specifically when Tanner Beaston touched it.
Speaker 6: Where was it? It was very much to me a
Speaker 6: on the ground situation, right, Like I mean again, this
Speaker 6: was not something he had to control with his chest,
Speaker 6: like the ball was not above his waist.
Speaker 2: Yes, real point, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 6: I just genuinely think that this was a missed opportunity,
Speaker 6: a missed call. Now we do have provisions that you know,
Speaker 6: they maybe could have said this was a safe. I
Speaker 6: don't think this is a safe because while it was
Speaker 6: an attempt to stop a shot, I don't think this
Speaker 6: was one of those times where this was just getting
Speaker 6: the way of a shot. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I think his actions leading up to that
Speaker 6: to me, indicate intention to try to clear the ball. Now,
Speaker 6: when we talk about deliberate play, again, Walla is on
Speaker 6: the ground, he is trying to play it with his feet.
Speaker 6: To me, he is in control of this, whether or
Speaker 6: not he actively does it, well, it says it in there.
Speaker 6: This clearance doesn't have to be successful. The fact that
Speaker 6: you're bad at soccer doesn't mean the offside isn't the
Speaker 6: gate It because you performed the act itself doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: If you're bad at performing the action, correct.
Speaker 6: I think that is my problem the other thing, So
Speaker 6: that is the problem with the call on the field.
Speaker 6: But here's the thing. Call on the field was no offside.
Speaker 6: So whether or not the ar I saw that Amador
Speaker 6: was in an offside position or not, or whether or
Speaker 6: not the ar assumed, well, that looked like an intentional,
Speaker 6: deliberate action right from the defender, deliberate play. The call
Speaker 6: on the field was no offside. So that brings us
Speaker 6: to part two.
Speaker 2: Okay, Part two, Var Yes.
Speaker 6: And that's my question here is why did var intervene
Speaker 6: in here when this did not seem like a clear
Speaker 6: Because if there's debate over whether this was an attempted
Speaker 6: clearance or a save, right, because we talked about that
Speaker 6: save could be you just get in the way of
Speaker 6: a shot. If there's even a debate of that, well
Speaker 6: this is not clear and obvious then so I'm going
Speaker 6: to get to Michael Hedge Commas in a second when
Speaker 6: John allows me to put on my fan hat. But
Speaker 6: for right now, as a referee, I think the problem
Speaker 6: here is you can debate whether or not this was
Speaker 6: a deliberate action, right. I don't think it's that debatable.
Speaker 6: I think it's very, in my opinion, clearly a deliberate
Speaker 6: action on the ball, an attempt to clear the ball. Right,
Speaker 6: he had the time, he had control of his body
Speaker 6: to do it, and the ball was on the ground,
Speaker 6: right feet. This was an attempt to clearance with his foot.
Speaker 6: That's number one. The ball was on the ground, it
Speaker 6: came from a far distance, all these things that we
Speaker 6: kind of go through, This was a deliberate play, right.
Speaker 6: It just so happened that his bad clearance went to
Speaker 6: Page romidor yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, just because the clearance is bad doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it wasn't a yeah, it doesn't matter a clearance, and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that it went to a player who
Speaker 1: was in an offside position.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 6: So that is my issue then, is why did var intervene?
Speaker 1: Because as we always say, and what is always told
Speaker 1: to viewer slash listeners, it has to be a clear
Speaker 1: and obvious error for var to intervene correct play.
Speaker 6: So my issue here is John m hmm, clearly and
Speaker 6: obviously Pedro Amador is in an offside position. I think
Speaker 6: we all agree that we're not debating that the problem
Speaker 6: is the action by the defender is neither clearly nor
Speaker 6: obviously a save or a deliberate action. At very best,
Speaker 6: we can say it's somewhere debatable, which therefore means it's
Speaker 6: not clear and obvious an error. It is not clearly
Speaker 6: and obviously an error from what the decision on the
Speaker 6: field was, and Alexis of Silva screwed it up. That's
Speaker 6: just I'm sorry. I don't have anything better to say
Speaker 6: about it. He deserves to be reprimanded for a lot
Speaker 6: of things in this game. He poorly managed the game
Speaker 6: from start to finish. And I'm sure we'll get into
Speaker 6: a penalty kit call later or a lack thereof. Yeah,
Speaker 6: because John, you were talking on the postgame show and
Speaker 6: I was nodding over well well the ninety two nine
Speaker 6: while I was both yelling at people in front of
Speaker 6: me to move their butts in the h in the
Speaker 6: line to get out of the parking lot. I was
Speaker 6: agreeing with you, John, because but we'll get into that,
Speaker 6: Alexis of Silva did not get this correct. VR should
Speaker 6: not have intervened and the goal should have stood. Period
Speaker 6: in a story. I'm sorry. That is not, in my opinion, controversial.
Speaker 6: That is not a homer take.
Speaker 2: This is a.
Speaker 6: Bad application of the laws of the game and VR
Speaker 6: procedure and Alexis of Silva and his specifically, I'm calling
Speaker 6: him out because he was bad the entire He was
Speaker 6: bad the entire game. I counted three times before halftime,
Speaker 6: John that he told the new England goalkeeper to let's
Speaker 6: play ive. Did he ever get any real warning for
Speaker 6: a yellow card? I believe you know damn well that
Speaker 6: as soon as Brad Guzanne would have wasted two seconds
Speaker 6: on a goalkick yellow card to him. And this continues
Speaker 6: my issue with with referees clearly not understanding what the
Speaker 6: hell of players trying to do in the field.
Speaker 1: Okay, so now that we have gone through that particular play,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 3: Want to put your fan hat on or do you
Speaker 3: want to talk about your your PK question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'll talk about the fan I'll do the
Speaker 6: fan hat after we've.
Speaker 2: Talked about it. Because yeah, you do both some fun because.
Speaker 1: Because we have well you got forty minutes, we got
Speaker 1: forty five minutes here.
Speaker 6: Well, my fan hat is just he's was terrible all game.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The referee hat is he did not manage the game
Speaker 6: well right from start to finish. And something we'll talk
Speaker 6: about when it comes to penalty kicks.
Speaker 1: Right, So we'll get to the penalty kick in a bit,
Speaker 1: because that's down the line of game management.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to. I want to get into when it.
Speaker 6: There's another term we talked about. It was the word
Speaker 6: of the day.
Speaker 1: John, Yes, game management when you have and when you
Speaker 1: have I you know, I don't I frankly do not
Speaker 1: know how Alexis de Silva manages a match.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if.
Speaker 3: The neat party doesn't.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's there, It's right, So I mean it's so,
Speaker 1: what was it?
Speaker 2: What was it? Pro reference?
Speaker 6: There were thirty fouls called in the game total, which
Speaker 6: is a lot even for what's his name that we
Speaker 6: had against Cincinnati. That would be a lot for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he loves well you re Senda Mendosa. I
Speaker 1: think it was twenty seven and a half. Yeah, thirty
Speaker 1: fouls is a lot of fouls to call.
Speaker 6: In a game.
Speaker 3: Let's just not quick trigger, Chris pencul.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, that was a lot of fouls, like clearly
Speaker 6: when the when the the problem is when the the
Speaker 6: allocation is ten to twenty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 6: And only one time did I see anything so new
Speaker 6: only got two yellow cards. One is for a very
Speaker 6: deliberate foul, it seemed like, and I don't know if
Speaker 6: the other one was for.
Speaker 3: The other one was for time wasting because it was
Speaker 3: after it was in that series of fouls, and I
Speaker 3: thought it had been given for a persistent friendship.
Speaker 6: I thought it was.
Speaker 3: It was not. One of the players kicked the ball
Speaker 3: into Henry County after the whistle blew.
Speaker 6: Okay, so then that's we don't talk about that. There
Speaker 6: was a time, John that I think what stuck out
Speaker 6: to me was it was in the second half. It
Speaker 6: was not super late, but it was late enough. Alexi
Speaker 6: got taken out, and I mean taken out. There was
Speaker 6: no attempt to play the ball. To me, it was
Speaker 6: a very reckless challenge. And Da Silva decides that instead
Speaker 6: of giving a yellow card for a reckless challenge, he
Speaker 6: warns the player, that's your third time no more. That
Speaker 6: is a yellow card Foulah, that wasn't a persistent infringement.
Speaker 6: It wasn't because one thing New England, the entire game
Speaker 6: got to just run people over with no real uh
Speaker 6: you know, punishment for it other than a foul sometimes
Speaker 6: sometimes because there could have been way more fouls called
Speaker 6: let's just put it that way on New England. But
Speaker 6: that moment, right there was an example of the silver
Speaker 6: not managing this game while at all because he was
Speaker 6: it felt like he was so in over his head.
Speaker 6: He didn't know how to deal with this. Because that
Speaker 6: was a moment I forget the player. But it was
Speaker 6: on Alexia Moranchuk and it was in the middle of
Speaker 6: the field, but it was Moran Chuck's running by him
Speaker 6: and the guy just sticks his leg out in Tripson,
Speaker 6: there was no attempt to win the ball. It was
Speaker 6: just to rind a foul. So it's not stopping a
Speaker 6: promising attack, but it's a reckless foul. It's a yellow card,
Speaker 6: especially that the game right when you can go what
Speaker 6: are you doing here? But instead he tries to warn
Speaker 6: him about persistent were past persistent infringement? One that was
Speaker 6: your twenty eighth fucking fallib game.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I already blew, already blew the I blew the
Speaker 3: language thing like good again, like a couple a couple
Speaker 3: of minutes in here.
Speaker 2: Monologue, Jared already gave us the EA. It's all good.
Speaker 6: Look at the standings and I'm allowed to say that word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean again, you are as good as your
Speaker 3: record is right now.
Speaker 6: But that was not a persistent infringement thing. That was
Speaker 6: a yellow card foul in the moment, and he decided
Speaker 6: to talk about that just it showed how out of
Speaker 6: his I don't I don't know if he was locked
Speaker 6: in or not, but like it was bad. It was
Speaker 6: just bad refereeing from start to finish. You know, you
Speaker 6: you can you can. Look, you're gonna have games that
Speaker 6: are gonna have a lot of fouls, right, especially against
Speaker 6: New England and Klea Porter. Calea Porter is a bad
Speaker 6: soccer coach at this point in time. I don't know
Speaker 6: why people keep hiring him. He had great success in
Speaker 6: in Portland.
Speaker 3: Portland teams were fun man.
Speaker 6: Yes, name a successful stint he's had since sint.
Speaker 3: You can't he won a Cup in Columbus during COVID, Right,
Speaker 3: he did do that, but that was also like that
Speaker 3: was kind of at the leading edge to Columbus is
Speaker 3: actually spending money and doing fun things.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. He did win a COVID.
Speaker 3: Cut, Yes he did. And that was also that that
Speaker 3: team was very good. Yeah, and but the but they
Speaker 3: were more defensive because he has.
Speaker 6: Gotten more and more and offensive he has. I mean,
Speaker 6: you look at you remember those he just I mean, look,
Speaker 6: he just hasn't, in my opinion, been a great coach
Speaker 6: and quite some time.
Speaker 3: I know he won a game like this here a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago with Columbus. It came to it.
Speaker 3: Go back and look up. There's a game that Columbus
Speaker 3: being Atlanta to nil at home. They scored like the
Speaker 3: third minute on a long ball that connected. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: didn't he basically shut up shop. They chose basically not
Speaker 3: to play and were just hitting long balls. Connected on
Speaker 3: another belong ball late in the game and won it
Speaker 3: to nil and like just like they were time wasting
Speaker 3: from like the twentieth minute. Yep, he had no it
Speaker 3: was if I get an early lead, were shutting up shop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was like the the Schmitzer match with Seattle
Speaker 1: at Mercedes Bens as well.
Speaker 2: You have.
Speaker 1: You know, we talk about and we talked about game
Speaker 1: management and missing calls and misapplication of rules and VAAR
Speaker 1: interventions and it's just it was, Frankly, it was all
Speaker 1: over the place when it came to when it came
Speaker 1: to this particular crew. And I'm going to and I
Speaker 1: will go ahead and say this, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: ahead and send a note and ask about the review process.
Speaker 2: I want to know if it is a yearly.
Speaker 3: Hopefully we get the Saturday Inside Inside the Pro thing
Speaker 3: for Greg Barkley, but we'll.
Speaker 1: See inside the inside the ref studio where it's a
Speaker 1: news Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well James Lifton should be brought back from the dead.
Speaker 2: And host that though. Yeah, that'd be pretty good.
Speaker 3: So John, I do want to before we move on
Speaker 3: to Yes, to David's point, Lucas Lerian was on those
Speaker 3: Columbus teams and Lucas zell Rion was basically a banshee
Speaker 3: possessed by the devil himself. And yeah, that those Columbus
Speaker 3: team was unholy anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Columbus was. I mean that, look you get one
Speaker 6: of the butt I mean he has one now with
Speaker 6: Carlos Hill, like right, like he the entire game plan
Speaker 6: for New England, Carlos Hill does something brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yes, and to be.
Speaker 6: Fair to Atlanta, he had one one shot that was
Speaker 6: like oh and it really wasn't even that bad.
Speaker 5: John.
Speaker 6: I want to say this, how many fouls? What was
Speaker 6: how many fouls was the highest total do you think
Speaker 6: New England had coming into this game per like one game?
Speaker 6: What was it you think the highest total of all
Speaker 6: let's see so season this season. I'm guessing probably sixteen sixteen. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that was again, that was in a loss to Columbus.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I got it right, like out of the
Speaker 2: that was a loss.
Speaker 6: To Columbus at home back in March. First. Okay, sixteen
Speaker 6: is a lot of fouls.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: Twenty fouls in one game. That's obscene, that's that's grotesque,
Speaker 6: and for the referee to only give two yellow cards
Speaker 6: is embarrassing.
Speaker 3: So we talked about this. I talked about it after
Speaker 3: the game, and God, I don't have the I don't
Speaker 3: have enough headache medicine for this today. To get to
Speaker 3: get shouted down on this, not by YouTube but everyone else,
Speaker 3: not just on the chat, but in the world, I
Speaker 3: have to get on an airplane in like a couple
Speaker 3: hours anyway, to your point, the well, the thing I
Speaker 3: think the thing that annoyed me about the game management
Speaker 3: side of not just one particular call, but like the
Speaker 3: game management side of it is you have and this
Speaker 3: goes to a thing with Red Bulls, with Philadelphia all
Speaker 3: those things. You have to know who you're I think
Speaker 3: I think referees have to know who they're officiating, yes,
Speaker 3: because like if you're officiating Philly or New York, you
Speaker 3: know you're going to be in for like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm like that I'm gonna have like blisters from blowing
Speaker 3: this whistle because I'm gonna be doing it so much.
Speaker 3: Because everybody in their mother is going to be commit
Speaker 3: a foul a day. But a Caleb Porter team is
Speaker 3: going to commit all of the fouls in this situation.
Speaker 3: When they have a one, they'll lead on the road,
Speaker 3: and they basically refuse to If Atlanta turned on the
Speaker 3: ball in the midfield, played more than one pass in
Speaker 3: the midfield, it was hack them down. Hack them down.
Speaker 3: It's hard to get a I don't know how to
Speaker 3: also explain that it's hard to get a flow in
Speaker 3: a sport when in a sport that's built on rhythm
Speaker 3: when there is no rhythm.
Speaker 6: Correct, which was the entire point of their second half.
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's not like to make an excuse because look,
Speaker 3: yeah Atlanta Ship put the ball in net. Yes, I
Speaker 3: agree with this, the thing that people keep yelling at me,
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you.
Speaker 6: We have Yeah, we haven't a fan reaction part yet.
Speaker 6: Well you have, like we're talking referring at this point
Speaker 6: in time.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, but it's tough. It's tough to build
Speaker 3: a rhythm when when you're literally anytime you try and
Speaker 3: build anything positive that you just can't. We see it
Speaker 3: in basketball when you're like and we get pissed off
Speaker 3: from basketball if a referee starts getting a really tight whistle,
Speaker 3: like let the game flow, well, but we want to
Speaker 3: see what we want to see the game. Uh.
Speaker 1: By the way, d Silva averages courtesy of our friends
Speaker 1: at who scored. I finally found it. Da Silva averages
Speaker 1: twenty three fouls per match called.
Speaker 6: So he should have felt that this was a lot
Speaker 6: of foul. Like seriously, as a referee, you should have
Speaker 6: an awareness of, oh, this is getting too many fouls,
Speaker 6: and you should also have an awareness of silly fouls
Speaker 6: the other one or two one or either team or committee,
Speaker 6: because this happens all the time where one a team does.
Speaker 6: They may not do it all the time, but it
Speaker 6: just comes up to a game where they're doing a
Speaker 6: certain thing a lot and you're like, we can't be
Speaker 6: doing this, y'all. And at no point that he say, hey,
Speaker 6: you can't actually run through the back of a guy
Speaker 6: and go and it foul him because he called that
Speaker 6: a lot. John another set when it comes to fouls.
Speaker 6: Leo Campana, Yes, on the field for thirty three minutes,
Speaker 6: replaces Max Rudi, by the way, who got a yellow card.
Speaker 6: Rudy committed two thousand and fifty seven minutes. Compana committed
Speaker 6: three fouls in thirty three minutes. Let's a foul every
Speaker 6: eleven minutes on top of everything else. No, yeah, no
Speaker 6: yellow card?
Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
Speaker 6: That's one of those things, is three fouls over the
Speaker 6: span of ninety minutes. Like Matt Polster, Okay, sure that's
Speaker 6: not three thousand and thirty three minutes. You committed three
Speaker 6: fouls after you came onto the field halfway through the
Speaker 6: second half. Bro, you gotta do something about that. And
Speaker 6: that that kind of encapsulates Alexis of Silva's inability to
Speaker 6: manage the match that was played in front of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it was Michael's quite you know
Speaker 3: a thing about like it if owner would ownership like
Speaker 3: ownership complaining about pro and two pro and look, one
Speaker 3: of the things that I think put Atlanta in trouble
Speaker 3: at one point in like twenty nineteen was when Darren
Speaker 3: Eels used to do his weekly segment on ninety two
Speaker 3: to nine. More than once he went on ninety two
Speaker 3: to nine and put PRO on blast, Like there was
Speaker 3: a sequence of games in twenty nineteen where Atlanta got
Speaker 3: screwed by the whistle and back then PRO didn't have
Speaker 3: like the whole transparency thing about. Here were the calls
Speaker 3: this week. Apparently the league just reached out to Atlanta,
Speaker 3: was like, hey are bad, like PRO likes prose apologizing
Speaker 3: for this and like did it quietly And apparently Darren
Speaker 3: Eils used to just put that on blasts for anyone
Speaker 3: who wanted it on the radio. That Pro reached out
Speaker 3: to us this week, it said they screwed up, not
Speaker 3: that it doesn't sitny good now so they are ready.
Speaker 3: They've never really been afraid of doing that.
Speaker 6: Well, and that's them. Here is what are we gonna
Speaker 6: get from pro?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 6: Sorry, and this is where I'm I'm gonna pro You
Speaker 6: need to do better at training your referees in week
Speaker 6: in and week out. Alexis to Silva needs to be
Speaker 6: meeting with someone to coach him through why this game
Speaker 6: what happened? Because I'm sorry the application of OAR was terrible.
Speaker 6: But that's besides the fact that he managed this game
Speaker 6: poorly from start to finish. He just did especially John
Speaker 6: to your point that I loved when we were talking
Speaker 6: about the penalty kick that didn't happen that Carlos Hill
Speaker 6: got right, Okay this one, yeah, because they're connected, Yeah
Speaker 6: they are. Your point was sure it's a foul and
Speaker 6: Abe was like, yeah it foul. Yeah, it's a foul.
Speaker 6: Within the grand scheme of things that was not a
Speaker 6: foul for New England multiple times, including a late game
Speaker 6: foul where Stean Gregorson has stepped on from behind and
Speaker 6: then Newlyn almost gets the second goal out of it.
Speaker 6: So you mean, where was var to interview in that place?
Speaker 6: So you might want to know?
Speaker 1: So you mean this play late in the match courtesy
Speaker 1: once again of Josh and Jamie on Apple TV plus
Speaker 1: an MLS still.
Speaker 6: Alive Ringgerson goes down, there's.
Speaker 7: No whistle and now it's a playaway for New Englands.
Speaker 6: Lookmppana for the Revolution one on one with Gusin camp Pana.
Speaker 1: It's taken by Gusin. Yeah, so that was the play
Speaker 1: for it. That's the play I think you're referring to.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so if you're gonna call that penalty kick for
Speaker 6: an offensive player who's again same thing, kind of right,
Speaker 6: dribbling away from goal out of the penalty area, But
Speaker 6: then you're not gonna.
Speaker 3: Call it there?
Speaker 6: What are you doing? What are you doing?
Speaker 4: That is?
Speaker 6: That is the lack of consistency And again, why didn't
Speaker 6: a vaer step in there? Was it not a foul?
Speaker 6: That's a clear and obvious area. But it's clear and
Speaker 6: obvious to call back a goal because you may or
Speaker 6: may not think that there possibly maybe it was the
Speaker 6: same versus a deliberate action.
Speaker 3: Also, I'm gonna put my bro I'm gonna put my
Speaker 3: broadcaster hat on for a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Bitch about the I think is it Louisa brom who
Speaker 3: comes back and makes that stuff?
Speaker 2: It is Louisa Brom gets on his horse.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's the only time he's ran in his
Speaker 6: entire career.
Speaker 2: Here careful, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Brom was Brom is a quiet little field mouse, But
Speaker 3: a Brom isn't making bomb scared decisions like Derek Williams
Speaker 3: has been. So I'm good with it to an extent.
Speaker 3: But dude, like the broadcast, like you know, saw Louisa
Speaker 3: Brom running eighty five miles to take that ball off
Speaker 3: of him in a one v one What the hell?
Speaker 3: Like you don't know, soul that don't know sell that
Speaker 3: there's just I was irate at the at the at
Speaker 3: the play by play call there of like it goes
Speaker 3: Ane stops it. No, Louisa Brom rate eighty five miles
Speaker 3: and pulled it back and kept his team in it.
Speaker 3: I would dude, I am still irate at the way
Speaker 3: that moment was called. And yeah, like Guzanne gets to
Speaker 3: it and like turtles over it. Great job that defender,
Speaker 3: Like he in that situation, I've seen defenders say as
Speaker 3: screw it, I got better things to do with my life.
Speaker 3: Don't know, Sell this dude running that far back and
Speaker 3: trying to keep his team in it. Yep, just absolutely
Speaker 3: awful play by play work, and you should be embarrassed.
Speaker 2: A man that has nothing to do with the game.
Speaker 3: I'm just pissy about it right now because you get
Speaker 3: a cool moment like that and you know, sell that shit.
Speaker 1: No, no, Jared's not allowing no selling when it comes
Speaker 1: to effort Lake the man. All right, So we have
Speaker 1: discussed var We have discussed uh, the laws of the
Speaker 1: game or nothing else.
Speaker 3: If you didn't see it, and you didn't see the
Speaker 3: brom take it, didn't dunk on Campana for just being
Speaker 3: bad at his job, because.
Speaker 6: I mean he dribbled that ball into Brad's chest, no
Speaker 6: offense to Brad.
Speaker 2: That was bad.
Speaker 3: It was like, don't on him for that. Oh man
Speaker 3: didn't do that. I'm cool with it, But come on, man,
Speaker 3: like you're no selling that moment of a game. If
Speaker 3: Atlanta had gone down and found a late equalizer, you
Speaker 3: had nothing of that call to use as being a
Speaker 3: turning point or a defender backtracked his ass off to
Speaker 3: try and save things. Just come on, give me the
Speaker 3: emotion the moment deserve. For God's sake. I'm not asking
Speaker 3: for a lot from you, just but apparently I am.
Speaker 1: Apparently you are yes, So I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: So we talked about game management. We talked about the
Speaker 1: iniquity of calls, and that to me, the the the
Speaker 1: lack of logic applied. If once and once again I
Speaker 1: will I will stipulate that to me, the Carlos heel
Speaker 1: call was correct. It was just inside the eighteen where
Speaker 1: you call that for a penalty, I'm fine. I know
Speaker 1: that there were some angles where he gave you a
Speaker 1: bit of a question about contact and lack thereof, but no,
Speaker 1: but if you're gonna call the Carlos heel and that
Speaker 1: being soft, that was I mean, it was a bump,
Speaker 1: but it was soft. Then at the same time that
Speaker 1: logic needs to be applied and it wasn't across the
Speaker 1: board here in multiple correct, So that was not applied.
Speaker 2: When it came to that. And then just the the idea.
Speaker 1: Of game management, where you know, and and I think
Speaker 1: that you're going to see in the next couple of
Speaker 1: months on the road. You're gonna see it in Philly
Speaker 1: because of how Philly operates. One surprised me if you
Speaker 1: saw it in Orlando, because Oscar pere Hi is no dummy.
Speaker 1: He's gonna look at film and he's gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and go, okay, we can bump them around and it's
Speaker 1: not gonna get called. And so you're setting you're setting
Speaker 1: an idea up the next couple of matches here where okay,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is a test of pro
Speaker 1: and whoever's going to be in the middle here okay.
Speaker 1: So the teams were physical and it wasn't called until
Speaker 1: it was and then it was too late.
Speaker 2: The other the other element that I have in here.
Speaker 1: Is this, among others, the matteas click yellow first it well.
Speaker 3: He earned it. We hearked about this, We talked about
Speaker 3: this part. I was happy with it. I needed someone
Speaker 3: to put someone's ass on the ground and he ate
Speaker 3: that yellow, and good. Someone needed to do it. But
Speaker 3: someone needed to do it forty minutes earlier.
Speaker 1: But the issue separate from that discussing it from a
Speaker 1: refereeing standpoint.
Speaker 3: Is jumping to the ground. It's yellow up. You're eating
Speaker 3: that yellow intentionally. You're eating that yellow to send a message.
Speaker 3: It's the right call. Call the yellow. It's fine. I
Speaker 3: have no beef with it. Sorry, John, but I'm but
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not. I'm not debating that one being
Speaker 3: a yellow man.
Speaker 1: No, no, the game, No, I'm not. I'm not debating
Speaker 1: the yellow either. I'm glad that Mateya's Click ended up
Speaker 1: hip checking somebody and sending a message. But the notion
Speaker 1: that you're going to give that card that late and
Speaker 1: not considering the other action that happened in the match.
Speaker 1: You're gonna give a yellow late to Matea's Click for
Speaker 1: what he did, but along the line of the match
Speaker 1: going backward for other for other events that were just
Speaker 1: as physical.
Speaker 6: You did nothing right and that again that's my issue,
Speaker 6: as there were other There is at least two other
Speaker 6: obvious cautionable offenses that New England committed. Yeah, that we're
Speaker 6: not cautioned. Click did what he did because he knew
Speaker 6: what he was doing. I'm gonna I'm gonna switch into
Speaker 6: fan mode real quick here because I'm sorry. I'm pissed
Speaker 6: as hale. That is the stuff that Bart Sleish needs
Speaker 6: to be doing. I'm real sorry, and.
Speaker 3: Don't be because we're we're I think we are about
Speaker 3: to have the same conversation.
Speaker 6: Because I know Click has been sick, hurt sick again, right,
Speaker 6: He's the dude has not been healthy for five minutes
Speaker 6: since coming into Atlanta apparently, John, I think my issue
Speaker 6: and Jared, it seems like Bart Sleish is a very
Speaker 6: good soccer player. The dude is talented, He's got skill.
Speaker 6: My question just comes to and this is where we're
Speaker 6: at at the season, right because, Jarrett, as you said,
Speaker 6: and I've said plenty of times during the last couple
Speaker 6: of years, when y'all swear to tell me that these
Speaker 6: this team is good, you're only as good as your
Speaker 6: record shows. Correct, Yeah, right now, right now, you are
Speaker 6: not a good soccer team because you are well below
Speaker 6: the playoff line. You don't win consistently at home. You're
Speaker 6: coughing up points at home right to bad teams. Dallas,
Speaker 6: okay whatever, still should have beat them, right.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you. I don't know if you
Speaker 3: were here. When I said earlier Dallas felt like the
Speaker 3: real micro cosm of the season, where you dominated the
Speaker 3: first forty five minutes, didn't put the game away, did
Speaker 3: something stupid and correct and gave it away. This one
Speaker 3: felt more like just a like we are in mister
Speaker 3: Magoo land.
Speaker 6: Correct, But you're a bad team right now, sorry, you
Speaker 6: just are. Yeah, what does the record show? Because if
Speaker 6: we're calling new England a bad team. You're not that
Speaker 6: much better and they just beat you. So you know,
Speaker 6: it is what it is. We haven't scored from open play.
Speaker 6: Now you can debate if it should have counted or not,
Speaker 6: but haven't scored from open play in two damn matches.
Speaker 6: At some point someone has to start making decisions because
Speaker 6: we're past the Oh be patient, they'll figure it out.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, we just are because you're not getting results,
Speaker 6: and you can talk about, oh, well, you know, we're
Speaker 6: dominating matches, we're controlling matches, we've got possession, we're keep fine.
Speaker 6: You ain't winning, and I'm sorry. That just happens, right.
Speaker 6: Sometimes we see this in baseball all the time. Guys
Speaker 6: might be hitting all right, but you're not scoring runs.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you just got to adjust the line up a
Speaker 6: little bit, you know, you move someone to another spot
Speaker 6: in the lineup. In this particular case, Ronnie Dila has
Speaker 6: some big decisions to make and it's one of two things.
Speaker 6: It's formation or personnel. Pick one. I don't think you
Speaker 6: do both. That would be a little too much, but
Speaker 6: one will probably also dictate the other. Are you going
Speaker 6: to change in formation from you know, the the four
Speaker 6: three three you know the three Yeah, you know, whatever
Speaker 6: you want to call it. Are you going to change
Speaker 6: from that or are you going to change players? Because
Speaker 6: if we're if we're making personnel changes, I'm sorry. There
Speaker 6: were two to three players that I think you need
Speaker 6: to make changes on. One of them is bart Slash
Speaker 6: because he just is not cutting it as a defensive midfielder.
Speaker 2: Sorry, just how it is.
Speaker 6: Sorry, that's just where I'm at. The other one, and
Speaker 6: as much as I love him and I think the
Speaker 6: problem here is he is a fantastic offensive weapon, but
Speaker 6: holy hell, Brooks Lennon needs to we need to figure
Speaker 6: out how to run an attack that's not through Brooks
Speaker 6: Lennon crossing the ball, because that was the that was
Speaker 6: the sickness that had festered in this team all game
Speaker 6: was it was get the ball wide to Brooks, watch
Speaker 6: him cross the ball in where are we going? And
Speaker 6: then to Milio's point, the next question is Alexian Miggy,
Speaker 6: you can't be on the field at the same time. Sorry,
Speaker 6: you got to figure out who's starting because and that's
Speaker 6: just what I'm looking at, because right now the problem
Speaker 6: is Alexiamiggy both like to occupy more central spaces and
Speaker 6: you're clogging things is up, you're running into each other.
Speaker 6: You're not able to combine because you're too close to
Speaker 6: each other, which sounds counterintuitive, but when you start close
Speaker 6: to each other, the combination is going to work because
Speaker 6: you've got all the defenders there. It's just too easy
Speaker 6: to defend right now. And Atlani and added continues to
Speaker 6: create a lot of chances, but not a lot of
Speaker 6: quality chances. I mean, the goal we scored was a
Speaker 6: great goal, right, but that was a shot from distance
Speaker 6: and that's not the type of quality chances you want
Speaker 6: to keep creating. You need to create more chances inside
Speaker 6: the penalty area. We're just not doing it.
Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, no, no, no one.
Speaker 3: One of the things that it stuck out to me
Speaker 3: in preseason and listening and look, I know as as
Speaker 3: he does this for a living, I think Ronnie dial
Speaker 3: is and crows mark guy. I think he's an incorrectly
Speaker 3: smart soccer coach. He has again seen some shit in
Speaker 3: Celtic and in Scotland and Belgium. He has been through
Speaker 3: some wars that I think think I don't know if
Speaker 3: y'all fully at times understand how psychotic like the Scottish
Speaker 3: and Belgium.
Speaker 2: Media can be. Anything we do to him here is
Speaker 2: just going to be.
Speaker 3: Like a Sunday walk for that dude. Compared to what
Speaker 3: he's dealt with. I don't think that bothers him nearly
Speaker 3: as much as the performances. And I think he's a
Speaker 3: smart guy because in pre when I'm getting at here
Speaker 3: is in preseason. One of the things he harped on
Speaker 3: in the Birmingham game specifically was he made a point
Speaker 3: of building up Sleish. He talked a lot about him,
Speaker 3: about what he wanted from him, what he needed from him,
Speaker 3: and I think he understood that he needed Bart, not you.
Speaker 3: I think he understood that he needed Sleish to be great,
Speaker 3: that that was going to be a fulcrumb with what
Speaker 3: this team did. And it hasn't been there.
Speaker 6: And I hate I've really because I think again you
Speaker 6: can see he's very talented. He's actually pretty decent possession.
Speaker 6: It's just it's not to your point there where it
Speaker 6: needs to be. And the other problem is, as much
Speaker 6: as I love watching him on the field because he
Speaker 6: does move around a lot, but Yamba is not as
Speaker 6: dynamic when it comes to making progressive passes the way
Speaker 6: that bart needs, so you're just not getting that a
Speaker 6: lot from that central midfield spot, and it's it's what's hurting.
Speaker 6: And then you add the fact that you know, I
Speaker 6: think if I could summarize this team in one incentive,
Speaker 6: it would be we're very good at giving up stupid goals,
Speaker 6: but by god, we cannot punish a team for this
Speaker 6: for our lives. And teams make so many stupid mistakes
Speaker 6: in MLS. That's just how this works. MLS is not
Speaker 6: a great defensive league. We all know this. At Landing added,
Speaker 6: every goal we've scored this season seems like it's some
Speaker 6: magic effort that we had to create instead of just
Speaker 6: a lot of the goals that we get conceded where
Speaker 6: we beat one player and then all of a sudden
Speaker 6: it's we're in on goal against brad and and they've conceded.
Speaker 6: And that is the frustrating part as the fan is going,
Speaker 6: why are we giving up goals so easily? Yet it's
Speaker 6: a monumental effort for us to get even a shot off.
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it's it's exhausting. I don't I don't
Speaker 3: know what you do because I mentioned earlier, if you want,
Speaker 3: because I know I know it's been the article and
Speaker 3: it's been kind of the flavor of.
Speaker 2: The last few weeks.
Speaker 4: To do.
Speaker 3: To play in the key at the ten drops, let's
Speaker 3: say back to like a deep lying climaker. I will
Speaker 3: repeat again, that's fun offensively. Yeah, but if you think
Speaker 3: you're shipping goals now, you don't have a destroying six
Speaker 3: who can sit back there as the other midfielder and
Speaker 3: you're gonna need that.
Speaker 6: No, And that's one of those things too where we
Speaker 6: talk about patients, and I think there's patients for like
Speaker 6: I do think we're approaching from a coaching even aspect
Speaker 6: of the patience of hoping things just met like gel
Speaker 6: and the system and everything takes hold. I think we're
Speaker 6: either past that or approaching being past that. Is that
Speaker 6: a fair situation evaluation? So then, Jared, I think for
Speaker 6: me the question is again, what does that change? Because
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I think Alexi being a deeper
Speaker 6: player I think would be fun. Like I think, actually yeah,
Speaker 6: because I mean, look, the dude is not fast, bless
Speaker 6: his little heart, but he is not that Fun's possibly technical,
Speaker 6: but yeah, and having that as a kind of an
Speaker 6: eight or a deeper lying playmaker could be fun to watch.
Speaker 6: And then you have Miggi up top, which I do
Speaker 6: think that we've seen Miggy wants to be more central,
Speaker 6: and I think that's actually a great, a better place
Speaker 6: for him to play in this league because Homeboy can
Speaker 6: just blow by some defenders more than anyone else can.
Speaker 6: I mean, he loves to take someone on, and I
Speaker 6: think doing being able to do that in the middle
Speaker 6: of the field with a guy like Latte a lot
Speaker 6: who if you just slip them, you know, a nice
Speaker 6: little slip in can undo a defense because he's just
Speaker 6: so quick, not even fast quick, dude is quick. I
Speaker 6: mean that there. It is fun to watch him get
Speaker 6: like somehow three steps on a player before the ball
Speaker 6: has been passed, you know. And I just don't think
Speaker 6: Alexi is able to do that whereas Mikey can. So
Speaker 6: that that is certainly the question of what do you
Speaker 6: do with both of these really expensive, good attacking players.
Speaker 3: Don't I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think it's I think it's also safe to say
Speaker 6: Jared that right now, again, what eight games in the season,
Speaker 6: nine points, it's not great. I think if I could
Speaker 6: identify two things that we need to change, three things
Speaker 6: really one is figure out who's who you're attacking. People
Speaker 6: are and were because I think we've all agreed that
Speaker 6: Miggie and Alexi playing together is just not causing. It's
Speaker 6: not creating the fluidity we thought it would. But I
Speaker 6: do think that when you look at the summer, because
Speaker 6: we know Garth loves the summer transfer window, we know
Speaker 6: Garth loves the summer.
Speaker 3: This summer could be bloody.
Speaker 6: Just so we're clear, I think when you're looking at
Speaker 6: the summer, you have to look at two specific positions,
Speaker 6: and one of them is a defensive midfielder and the
Speaker 6: other one is center back. Because I'm sorry, right now
Speaker 6: we have half of a starting center back because I'm
Speaker 6: gonna call out Sion a little bit too. I think
Speaker 6: he's been good, he should be called out, but I
Speaker 6: don't think he's been great. He's been culpable for some
Speaker 6: of these defense firs. Luisa Brom refuses to engage on
Speaker 6: a defensive action and that annoys me more than anything.
Speaker 6: And Derek Williams can't judge the fly of a ball
Speaker 6: to save his life. So those are center backs right
Speaker 6: now are not what they need to be to be
Speaker 6: competitive in this league. And that's causing more problems than
Speaker 6: it should, especially when Brooks and Pedro are going up
Speaker 6: the field so much so when you look at the
Speaker 6: summer transfer window, which again we're our April, we're looking
Speaker 6: forward to June already or July already a better center back.
Speaker 6: And I mean, as much as we want to have
Speaker 6: pretty you know, pretty passing, great, you kind of just
Speaker 6: need a dude who's gonna knock someone over now then,
Speaker 6: you know, And that's unfortunately what Bart's not willing to do.
Speaker 6: Maybe you go get some of the someone like that
Speaker 6: in the transfer window.
Speaker 3: You need a he would I shouldn't say you need
Speaker 3: it would be I would be okay if you went
Speaker 3: and found a Jose Martinez.
Speaker 6: Like I think the problem is Yeah, I think the problem,
Speaker 6: Jared is that works in MLS. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yes, I mean, and you.
Speaker 6: Can try to play like you're playing in the Dutch League,
Speaker 6: but you're not. You're playing an MLS. You gotta have
Speaker 6: a destroyer.
Speaker 1: Ye Is there anything Bart that we missed when it
Speaker 1: came to laws of the game game management?
Speaker 3: I still think they missed that handball in the box.
Speaker 6: But what I yeah, I'm with you, Jared, I think
Speaker 6: what bothers me is that wasn't reviewed. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's one of those that because I I do
Speaker 3: remind people they review everything. Yes, like VARs Var is
Speaker 3: not like sitting there with a sandwich and doing nothing
Speaker 3: with their time there sandwich. To be fair, I would
Speaker 3: love if I was Vara beating a sandwich all the time.
Speaker 3: But I'm also of the opinion.
Speaker 1: That for that initial that initial shot where they're inside
Speaker 1: yeah and you're you're sitting there in your head just
Speaker 1: having a sandwich.
Speaker 3: Beginning, that's one of those where personally, I would have
Speaker 3: been very happy if we talk about this with like
Speaker 3: managing the managing the game you're in. Take it to
Speaker 3: the monitor just like just because the game is calling
Speaker 3: for in that moment, you know.
Speaker 6: And like yes, because there wasn't even a referee, the
Speaker 6: ref going up to his you know, even like hey
Speaker 6: they're checking, because if you go hey they're checking, you
Speaker 6: go no, it wasn't because again, is that clear and obvious?
Speaker 2: That's the key?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: But then you're telling me that the off side was
Speaker 6: clear and obvious, So which one is? You know, if
Speaker 6: we're if we're going based on what our gut tells us. Fine,
Speaker 6: but I man, that's not a I'm with you, Jared,
Speaker 6: like that that to me the handle because it happened
Speaker 6: right in front of me. Yeah, I don't. I couldn't
Speaker 6: tell exactly how far away from the body his arm was,
Speaker 6: but it hit his arm.
Speaker 3: I mean you know, yeah, I thought it was away
Speaker 3: from his body. I thought, Okay, I thought I do too,
Speaker 3: because it's coming off with deflection and maybe that's what
Speaker 3: their thinking was with it. But I felt like that
Speaker 3: was like one of those like you take it to
Speaker 3: the like, take it to the monitor, let them know, like, hey,
Speaker 3: they're looking at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No one really seemed to notice anything until like the
Speaker 3: next things to play anyway, So whatever.
Speaker 6: Well, and also to to this is where Atlanta needs
Speaker 6: to take a beat too, because I think we get
Speaker 6: again game state. We're very frantic at that point. Settle
Speaker 6: down and wait to take that corner kick. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Allow var and the referee an.
Speaker 2: Opportunity to have given time to think about Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean we see this in the NFL a lot
Speaker 6: of times where a team will wait a beat to
Speaker 6: get the play in.
Speaker 1: Right you know, or or what they'll do is if
Speaker 1: they think that it's going to get flipped, you're going
Speaker 1: to try to get up there and do a quick huddle.
Speaker 2: And get a quick snap so it doesn't get reviewed.
Speaker 3: Well, Aaron is so good at that when he was not,
Speaker 3: like on his vision quest like a raccoon on.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so in cards and calls and anything
Speaker 1: else that we've missed now that we've discussed everything this week, anyway,
Speaker 1: my my plan is to try and catch up with
Speaker 1: pro and just find out about the review process and
Speaker 1: find out, Okay, how many times you know, is it
Speaker 1: the end the year? Is it a consistent thing? Do
Speaker 1: you help you know? Do you call folks?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: I would like to know that too, is what is
Speaker 6: the continual education process? Because there should be.
Speaker 1: Yeah in the and so right now, just looking at
Speaker 1: the numbers, Alexis de Silva has had six matches where
Speaker 1: he's been the man in the middle twenty three on average,
Speaker 1: and that man well, but but the thing is twenty
Speaker 1: three is eighteenth out of twenty six. He is eighteenth
Speaker 1: out of twenty six center reps for fouls per match
Speaker 1: called and right, the number one is Alio Raghin, who
Speaker 1: has only had one appearance in the middle, and he
Speaker 1: called thirty three fouls.
Speaker 2: He is far and away.
Speaker 6: You know the game did he have?
Speaker 2: Oh, let's find out, shall we? It was.
Speaker 1: Chicago Fire and CF Montreal January February, March thirtieth. Interesting,
Speaker 1: so he called the Fire in Montreal match and called
Speaker 1: thirty three fouls.
Speaker 6: Interesting, that was such a high foul game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and after that it's Rosindo Mendosa who
Speaker 1: averages thirty point eight, Joe Dickerson who averages thirty in
Speaker 1: a quarter, Philip Duyich who's twenty eight point one four
Speaker 1: over seven matches, that's why it's a point one four,
Speaker 1: and Ricardo Fieriro at twenty seven and a half. We
Speaker 1: have had Rosindo Mendosa, Philip Duyich, and Ricardo Fieriro in
Speaker 1: the middle for the matches against Atlanta United. And this
Speaker 1: was a point that was brought up in the chat,
Speaker 1: is that you would think that center refs know what
Speaker 1: they're getting into with the teams that are on the field. Yet,
Speaker 1: even if you don't have four knowledge at least bart
Speaker 1: to your point earlier in this discussion that if there's
Speaker 1: a lot of fouls being had.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of fouls being made, then you.
Speaker 1: Should kind of, oh, I don't know, use your card
Speaker 1: a little more than you would otherwise.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there were Atlanta United the most. The player that
Speaker 6: committed the most fouls was Peter Armador at two. No
Speaker 6: one else committed more than.
Speaker 3: I was expecting to hear of Manuel Latte a lot,
Speaker 3: to be honest, because he's a he is a bit
Speaker 3: of a spark plug.
Speaker 6: When it comes to So here's yella committed one foul.
Speaker 6: You know what that foul was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know why because Miguel decided to hang back offensively.
Speaker 1: Here's here's your numbers in the middle of the match,
Speaker 1: when Caleb Porter just decided to pack things up, go
Speaker 1: to the Laredo garage, grab as many Marta buses as
Speaker 1: possible and bring them on. So it was seven fouls
Speaker 1: from New England in the first eleven minutes of the
Speaker 1: second half, one yellow, twenty fouls, two yellows. Between the
Speaker 1: fortieth and the sixtieth minute, New England committed ten fouls.
Speaker 1: So that's five minutes leading into halftime and the first
Speaker 1: fifteen of the second half.
Speaker 2: It was a lot. John New England committed ten fouls.
Speaker 6: That's a lot, and I want people to understand that
Speaker 6: is a lot of fouls within a short period of time, right,
Speaker 6: and he did nothing to manage that. And that's kind
Speaker 6: of again. The problem is is there was no hey,
Speaker 6: call the captain over, Hey, that's enough, we fouled to him.
Speaker 6: Alexi got foiled five times five.
Speaker 3: I don't know Ezekiel Barco led the universe in fouls
Speaker 3: when he was here at all I heard from people
Speaker 3: was complaining that Ezekiel Barko gets filed a lot and
Speaker 3: goes down a lot. Well, carls Hel could have kept this,
Speaker 3: like I said, this story of the game, carls Hel
Speaker 3: could have kept his footing in the box if he
Speaker 3: wanted to. He understood the moment he went down, which
Speaker 3: good for him. He understood the moment it Land almost
Speaker 3: gave up a goal in the end of the first
Speaker 3: half where Manuel lat got very clearly fouled, but he
Speaker 3: tried to keep his feet And this is this, this
Speaker 3: is very much like the Alpharetta Dad shit of like
Speaker 3: keep your.
Speaker 2: Feet in the game. This weekend fit.
Speaker 3: Well, he tried to keep his feet and you know
Speaker 3: what happened. He lost his balance, fell down, They picked
Speaker 3: up the ball almost scored going the other way. So
Speaker 3: there you go.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: I got like, keep you don't have to feel contact,
Speaker 3: you go down man. You don't have to be enough
Speaker 3: for red Dad.
Speaker 2: No, of course you do.
Speaker 1: I mean see, And we haven't even talked about like
Speaker 1: the killing and bape Rad. We haven't talked about the
Speaker 1: latitiate contact from behind in the Women's FA Cup. I
Speaker 1: haven't talked about oh, the head injuries that happened in
Speaker 1: Columbus and Saint Louis, where the time that players were
Speaker 1: off the field was completely and totally apparently just random.
Speaker 1: And uh one was forty eight seconds and the other
Speaker 1: was two minutes before they were allowed back in.
Speaker 2: So there's there's still there's still stuff on the table. Bart.
Speaker 1: We had barely scratched the surface, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was but but I thought.
Speaker 3: It was also kept Bart for an hour.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, But the thing is, when there's a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about and set and like I said, I
Speaker 1: wanted to take it with two lanes. I wanted to
Speaker 1: it just so happens that they intersect. Yes, we were
Speaker 1: talking about the match. Yes, we're talking about the refereeing
Speaker 1: but I wanted to talk about the refereeing in the
Speaker 1: sense of the overarching ideas, and yes, they happened to
Speaker 1: apply to the match that we were all a part
Speaker 1: of on Saturday. So that was that was why I
Speaker 1: wanted to do this this way today, and I borrowed
Speaker 1: you for an hour.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna get in trouble now?
Speaker 6: I'll be all right, I will, But I was I
Speaker 6: was answering emails and a response to.
Speaker 3: Though, you know, okay, all right, I will support bart
Speaker 3: in the sense that I agree that, and I agreathing
Speaker 3: fully that. Uh, as you go into the summer, this
Speaker 3: summer window could get see in terms of players coming
Speaker 3: in and out, because if guys aren't doing the job,
Speaker 3: I am always a proponent of it. If guy doing
Speaker 3: the job, I'm gonna find someone who will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: If ain't you, I'll find I'll find something. I'll find
Speaker 3: your replacement for you. Six and center back is where
Speaker 3: I'm looking as well. I think Derek Williams just lost
Speaker 3: a step and I love I love Derek. Good dude.
Speaker 3: I thought he was really.
Speaker 5: Good last year.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah before yeah, so finish your point.
Speaker 3: I thought, Derek, I thought what Derek was really good
Speaker 3: last year. I think Derek's losing a step and I
Speaker 3: I like him as a clubhouse guy. I don't think
Speaker 3: the number is very big on him. I'm fine with Derek,
Speaker 3: but Deane hasn't been healthy or consistent enough. I like
Speaker 3: a bron but he's more of a passive defender. I
Speaker 3: would be fine if you went and if you went
Speaker 3: and got someone and started them next to Noah Cobb
Speaker 3: and let the kid play.
Speaker 1: I'm here for it, man, Okay. One point that we
Speaker 1: didn't get into. David brought it up in the in
Speaker 1: the jet. I'm glad he did the late sub involving
Speaker 1: you get to get mad at Campana. The sub involving
Speaker 1: Campana in a Rudy where Maxi and Rudy decided he
Speaker 1: wanted to take his time, and you know you're supposed
Speaker 1: to be leaving the field in a certain length of time,
Speaker 1: and Maxia Rudy when he was told to hurry up
Speaker 1: to go off, he slowed down. So the substitution rule,
Speaker 1: once again, you're milking the clock and you're doing all
Speaker 1: these things and you're not getting carted for that either.
Speaker 1: So once again it gets back to game management and
Speaker 1: reading the room and it was not read very well.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's not even reading the ring, John, that's
Speaker 6: applying the rules as MLS has listened.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, get off.
Speaker 6: But you know, hey, alexisis Silva did whatever the hell
Speaker 6: he wanted to do that game, and no one could
Speaker 6: tell him different. That was just the problem is that
Speaker 6: he was out there vibin. That's what I mean. He
Speaker 6: was just I mean, that's sincerely. The dude seemed like
Speaker 6: he was just cashing a page, collecting a page.
Speaker 2: He was vibing.
Speaker 6: And I'll be honest, I've had games like that, but
Speaker 6: usually no offense of the U ten. You know, tournament
Speaker 6: games where I just out there to run five games
Speaker 6: and six games in a row and make sure that
Speaker 6: you know, the players aren't picking their noses too much.
Speaker 6: Ew they're nine years old, John, what else do you
Speaker 6: expect them to do?
Speaker 5: You? John?
Speaker 6: I had I had a game.
Speaker 2: My game.
Speaker 6: Luckily I wasn't the center for this seven minutes then
Speaker 6: we had a kid get hurt to the pat point
Speaker 6: that he had to leave the match and go to
Speaker 6: a hospital. Non contact injury. Non contact injury, had to
Speaker 6: throw out a parent because I decided to come onto
Speaker 6: the field. Wow, had a red card in the final
Speaker 6: minute of we were in like five minutes of stoppage
Speaker 6: time because said parent had to give a red card
Speaker 6: for a dog so penalty kick. So had an interesting
Speaker 6: Sunday as well.
Speaker 2: Yes, so again I wasn't the.
Speaker 6: Center, so the reporting wasn't my job.
Speaker 3: Do you ever have those where you like, you have
Speaker 3: a game like that and you look at the center
Speaker 3: and go, oh god, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not you today.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I literally said that to him. Afterwards. I was like, well,
Speaker 6: don't call me if you need help with the reports.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Not Yeah, Hey, listen to all parents. Don't come onto
Speaker 6: the field. That's not where your space is. Your spaces
Speaker 6: on the sideline. And when you're four yards under the field,
Speaker 6: and then get bad at me for telling you to
Speaker 6: get off the field, Oh my god, you don't get
Speaker 6: to do that. So I hope that person enjoys his
Speaker 6: hopeful suspension.
Speaker 2: Wow. That's tremendous soccer for USPOD. You gotta plug.
Speaker 6: Recording tonight about the women's national team performances and not results,
Speaker 6: performances evaluating players.
Speaker 3: How did you feel about Mariusia Puchatino being there for
Speaker 3: that game Saturday?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 6: I'm sure some Spurs fans felt very familiar.
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, so hopefully we didn't get you into trouble.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you were answering emails and making sure that
Speaker 1: everything was fine. Which one of the two of you
Speaker 1: had the dog that would that had just had the bath.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's not a dog, it's a rabbit.
Speaker 2: Okay, So oh so the rabbit just had a bath.
Speaker 3: No, we didn't have a bath. He just uh, she
Speaker 3: was sent by Mephistopheles to punish me. It's her entire
Speaker 3: her entire existence is built on making me suffer and
Speaker 3: her So with with a rabbit, you you, we feed
Speaker 3: them Timothy hay throughout the day, and so I just
Speaker 3: given her some Timothy Hay and she decided that she
Speaker 3: was just going to grab the metal hayholder that hangs
Speaker 3: on her letter box and just start yeating that thing
Speaker 3: around the cage.
Speaker 1: So that's what happened, okay, all right, So Bart, thanks again,
Speaker 1: have a good time recording tonight, and obviously we will
Speaker 1: turn that as quickly as humanly possible as we always do.
Speaker 6: That's my that's my job, John, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, be good, my friend. Thanks for hanging out
Speaker 1: for an entire hour because I know there was a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about.
Speaker 6: I'm glad I get to talk about with y'all here.
Speaker 6: I hope everyone Monday go outside and touch grass today.
Speaker 6: I mean, that's sincerely not in it's kindescending way. Enjoy
Speaker 6: the weather. If you can't take double up on those
Speaker 6: allergy degrees. Yeah, double up on the allergy medicine had outside.
Speaker 2: Yes, and don't go from hot to cold. The hot.
Speaker 6: By the way, this is my coffee mug, but I
Speaker 6: can't drink out of it on this side. So I
Speaker 6: acquired a waffle House coffee mug.
Speaker 3: Finally, I need to get one before I leave.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes you do. Uh, I don't.
Speaker 6: I won't tell you.
Speaker 2: How I cured that.
Speaker 3: John, There's not gonna be a waffle house.
Speaker 2: In my life, but you will have in and out.
Speaker 2: I believe this is true. So there's a there's a
Speaker 2: trade waffle houses.
Speaker 3: I need to open a waffle house, that's what that's
Speaker 3: what I want to do.
Speaker 2: See that would be tremendous. Oh, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: Jared is a franchisey for waffle House in Utah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're doing it. Yes you are.
Speaker 6: I believe that you can match the energy you needed.
Speaker 2: So absolutely, Well what you do.
Speaker 3: Is you you just decaf coffee because Mormons.
Speaker 1: Well no, but what you do is you make sure
Speaker 1: that you find some great prospects here and you use
Speaker 1: your waffle house allocation money.
Speaker 2: You use your wham to.
Speaker 1: Get them over Georgia to work the waffle houses in Utah.
Speaker 2: That's how you do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Derek, it's a lot of it's a lot
Speaker 3: of rabbit poop, it is. But we we they're they're
Speaker 3: they're litter box trained, so we uh we just have
Speaker 3: a like a big plastic litter box and just use
Speaker 3: equine pine corse pellets from like tractors supply at a
Speaker 3: couple of days. And yeah, you're good.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, all right, Bart, be good to see thanks again.
Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you tonight. Socker for us po
Speaker 1: D thanks for all of the intel.
Speaker 2: Be good. All right. So that's Bart.
Speaker 1: Jared let me go through gossip rumors and want to
Speaker 1: watch And it's been a fun day. And I know
Speaker 1: that we hit the E rating in the first four minutes,
Speaker 1: but sometimes you got to do that.
Speaker 3: Fun is a fluid term, but carry.
Speaker 1: On, Yes, thank you, sir. The fact that we had
Speaker 1: Jared for the full two hours. That was always fun.
Speaker 1: Soccer on TV today will go over rumors as well.
Speaker 1: And if you saw the killing and Bape challenge that
Speaker 1: was pretty nasty. Go back in social media if you
Speaker 1: can and find the uh if there's a Luis en
Speaker 1: Rique when Mbope was at PSG had him in the
Speaker 1: film room and he was talking him up and down,
Speaker 1: trying to instill the star that you know, what he
Speaker 1: really could be, but that also meant helping out on
Speaker 1: defense and being a two way player, and you can
Speaker 1: it's Enrique, Luis en Rique. He was letting Embape have
Speaker 1: it and Boppi was just like, uh huh, I don't
Speaker 1: think that ever sunk in. But so when you have
Speaker 1: a moment like we saw with Himbappe this past weekend, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so go back and see if you can find the
Speaker 1: Luis and Rique conversation where he literally is in in
Speaker 1: Bape's face about being a two way player. That was
Speaker 1: the first thing that stuck in my head when I
Speaker 1: saw the challenge from Mbappe on this weekend. All right,
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Speaker 1: According to Florid Plettenberg at Sky Sports Germany, Messi and
Speaker 1: friends are very interested in signing Kevin de Brune on
Speaker 1: a free We've talked about it and we've talked about
Speaker 1: how it could work. It would have to be one
Speaker 1: of those Latani deals, or it would have to be
Speaker 1: one of the just if you're going to sign him
Speaker 1: for a long term deal, it's going to have to
Speaker 1: be one of those where he slides in under the
Speaker 1: AM this year and he's an AM player, and then
Speaker 1: you sign him because you don't know who's coming back
Speaker 1: among the Gulfstream Galacticos next year because they're thirty four
Speaker 1: to thirty six and thirty seven, so we'll see. Al
Speaker 1: Nasser could make a move for Luis Diaz as an
Speaker 1: alternative to Venisius Junior, Everton and Ipswich and the Three
Speaker 1: Letter Paper latest to join the club. U twenty one
Speaker 1: striker Liam de Lapp could be Ipswich. Newcastle interested in
Speaker 1: racing gink In Grease midfield or Constantinos corretzis facing competition
Speaker 1: from Bayern munichnopoly in the Premier League. That's the Three
Speaker 1: Letter Paper. Take the information at your own peril. Newcastle
Speaker 1: sent scouts to watch ya Ya Fofana at Anger as
Speaker 1: they want to strengthen their goalkeeping options. Arsenal's interested in
Speaker 1: i Ax's nineteen year old Jarell Hatto this summer, although
Speaker 1: any potential deal for the defender likely to Hinge in
Speaker 1: the future of Yaka. Kivior Gunners also have no plans
Speaker 1: to sign on loan Chelsea as rahiem Sterling on a
Speaker 1: permanent basis Chelsea and born with willing to pay thirty
Speaker 1: five million euro to sign Johnny We know him as
Speaker 1: Johnny or Johnny Cardoso from Raal Bettist and that's from
Speaker 1: shahes in Spanish.
Speaker 2: Jared's joining us again? What did I miss?
Speaker 3: Uh? No, I think that's it. Yeah, man, I don't
Speaker 3: know what to do with myself now that now that
Speaker 3: most of the laws signed this deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Now where am I going to get my drama?
Speaker 2: Well, you're probably gonna get your drama with de Bruna.
Speaker 3: We talked about this. We talked about this off air.
Speaker 3: I think it was Jason said that Lionel Messi is
Speaker 3: about to get the world's most expensive babysitter and they're
Speaker 3: gonna fit under the cat like debrun is gonna be
Speaker 3: on like a vet minimum getting paid an Apple stock.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean they've got an is, They've got an
Speaker 1: ish ton of AM so for this half season they
Speaker 1: can pay him and he's an AM player and everything's fine. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna have to be one of those lots
Speaker 1: ony deals where he's an a player in year one
Speaker 1: and then you figure out who's not staying and then
Speaker 1: he turns into a DP or something like that.
Speaker 3: You let me tell you if that's what they do.
Speaker 3: And I think you're right, John, I think you're right.
Speaker 3: The other owners in this league are going to be
Speaker 3: so pissed off they won't be able to see straight.
Speaker 3: Of course, if you manipulate this into a one year
Speaker 3: Kevin de Bruyn, a deal where he's making not a
Speaker 3: lot of money for the half year, and then you
Speaker 3: brand to bring him in as a full DP next year.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. They're uh, not confirmed coming to Miami there,
Speaker 3: but but he's he's been Miami is allegedly interested in
Speaker 3: bringing him in.
Speaker 2: Yes, but they don't have it.
Speaker 3: They to do it, he'd have to be on a
Speaker 3: very very friendly number. But because of as John said,
Speaker 3: John's I think John's dead on. Because of the the
Speaker 3: am they have. You could do him on a six
Speaker 3: month deal for not a lot of money, have him
Speaker 3: come in and be a super friend and then uh
Speaker 3: and then signing to a DP deal. No, Derek, I
Speaker 3: couldn't let it go, because the only thing funnier than
Speaker 3: Kevin de Bruna coming here is if Kevin de Bruna
Speaker 3: comes here and Messi and Friends still lose in the
Speaker 3: first round.
Speaker 1: That right now, Messi and Friends have just over that.
Speaker 1: Messi and Friends right now just have over three million,
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand and AM available, so they can If
Speaker 1: you want to spend two and a half on that,
Speaker 1: two and a half of it and get Katie b
Speaker 1: then you, yeah, two and a half for half a season.
Speaker 1: Then that's like that getting paid five next year whatever,
Speaker 1: if you want to extrapolate it.
Speaker 2: But I think it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be an AM deal and you've got AM to spend.
Speaker 2: LAG does not, and so it's something like.
Speaker 3: G LAG went all in on the playoffs last year
Speaker 3: and they got a trophy. Like, I know, it's fun
Speaker 3: to make fun of the Galaxy right now because they're bad,
Speaker 3: Like they're bad bad. I know it's fun, but guess
Speaker 3: what they hung a banner.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can.
Speaker 3: You can sit there and smile through it all when
Speaker 3: you hung a banner, at least for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, But right now, looking at the AM numbers
Speaker 1: as of the end of February, three point one three million,
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty and forty two dollars. So if
Speaker 1: you signed Kevin to Bruna for eight hundred and forty
Speaker 1: two dollars a GAM and then you know, extrapolated at
Speaker 1: whatever next year, it's gonna have to be again, it's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be an AM deal for the half
Speaker 1: season he comes in, helps him out out, signs to
Speaker 1: the MEGA deal next year for two years after that
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I mean, that's I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: you know, if if if, and that is once again
Speaker 1: it has been it has been shared by a bunch
Speaker 1: of different sources that there's interest shocking that that would happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, David, there is an AM liment that you can do.
Speaker 3: But what But what we mean by that is like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you could you could pay him more than like the
Speaker 3: league minimum because they have the AM to eat it.
Speaker 3: But you couldn't put him on a DP deal obviously,
Speaker 3: but you could. You could have him eat a bunch
Speaker 3: of AM for half a year and then decide, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, in in January that ah, well so well
Speaker 3: you know so and so is leaving. So now we
Speaker 3: got an open DP spot. So now here's Kevin the
Speaker 3: brawn on a full year deal. And yeah, if you
Speaker 3: tell him, I, hey man, you want to come play
Speaker 3: with us, take some take a little less money and
Speaker 3: come play with us for half a year, you know,
Speaker 3: and try and win a trophy.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And when you're Miami, you're able to in this current situation,
Speaker 3: this current iteration of Miami is able to do that.
Speaker 2: With guys like that, we'll do all right, We're out.
Speaker 2: That's a funday, Jared, you get the last words.
Speaker 3: Oh, to reiterate Bart's thing, make sure we're touching grass
Speaker 3: and not in the mean way, but like, go outside,
Speaker 3: enjoy the weather, get some fresh air in your lungs.
Speaker 3: Of course you're alergi medicine, yes, miles may vary and yeah,
Speaker 3: have fun.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So for Jared, I'm John. Thanks to Bart, thanks to
Speaker 1: a Thanks to y'all. It was a spirited discussion. It
Speaker 1: always is on Mondays. Whether that's why we call it
Speaker 1: reaction Monday's one way or the other, it's a reaction.
Speaker 2: Back at it again tomorrow, we'll talk about the rest
Speaker 2: of Major League Soccer.
Speaker 1: If there's anything left over from everything that happened today,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that then. So for Jarrett, who is
Speaker 1: here for the entire time except for when he had
Speaker 1: to dump out to take a meeting and then leave
Speaker 1: the meeting.
Speaker 2: I'm John. Play safe, everybody, moch aplatyall since the seen
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 1: That means they didn't