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Our guest today is Chris Bray, journalist, historian, former soldier,
whiskey enthusiast, and the guy behind the Tell Me How
This Ends substack always an interesting and informative read. Chris,
thank you so much for joining us on this edition
of the Federalist Radio Hour. Thanks for having me. I'll
drump jump right to the uh, the core of our
conversation here and now I don't want to put you on
the spot, but can you tell me this how does
it end? And I asked, I ask you that as
a guy who you know, who takes a look at
the issues of the day and and and oftentimes projects
and see where this is going. But you also look
in into the past, and I can tell you the
America today and we are we are people of about
the same age range. This is not the America I
grew up in. In so many places, it is a
strange land and I am an absolute stranger. So from
Minneapolis and you know the home of George Floyd and
now Renee Good, you know, from Minnesota and it's Somali
welfare scandal, to California where there's plenty of scandal going
on there, to the death culture of the left in
this country, including the assassination of Charlie Kirk of course
just a few months back. How does this thing end?
Speaker 2: That's a big box to unpack. But the first thing
I want to say about it is when you feel
like you're living in death cult, decline America, that you
don't recognize that you didn't grow up in. Turn off
the computer, turn off the television, get in your car, Yeah,
go elsewhere. There's I think we have now performative America,
Media America and America America, and they're not the same place.
And if you go out into the country. I live
in Los Angeles and I have to escape at some times,
So I just get in the car and get out,
and like over the weekend and through Monday, I went
up camping in northern central California, and I drove through
a town called Taft, which is a big oil producing
town up Highway thirty three, which is called the Petroleum
Highway in California, and then turned and then went up
through a big cattle ranching region and when you drive through.
I drove a couple hundred miles through oil and cattle
country in California, in the bluest and most captured of states,
and went camping with normal people. And through all of
that I never saw any sign of all of the
total insanity that has descended on us. And I spent
I was going camping with some people who didn't show
up the first night I went up there. So I
stayed in a hotel in a little town that's majority
of Latino with a very large which population. I looked
this up. I sat in Coalinga, California and said, how
many people here as citizens? Because the main street through
Coalinga is lined with these little shops that say, you know,
there's no to republic here, there's immigration lawyer here, we
can do your immigration paperwork for you. So I said,
sitting in that town, there are a whole lot of
people here who aren't citizens, and there are a whole
lot of people here who have to be worried about deportations,
and I showing up and how many you know, how
many protests, how many no ice here signs? Did I see?
How much chaos and disorder did I see in the
streets of a small agricultural town sort of in a
pivotal point right between oil producing California and cattle producing California.
How much chaos and misery did I see in this
town where a whole bunch of people aren't from here,
and a whole bunch of people have to be thinking
about ice and worrying about it. I saw no chaos.
I saw notice, I saw no misery. It's a peaceful,
quiet small town. Is that, Chris Chris?
Speaker 1: Is that because the uh, the leftist, the Marxist won't
they won't come there, because the population doesn't allow the
Latinos there to be called latin x.
Speaker 2: That could explain a lot, you know, It's fascinating. I've
been watching for a long time for the the this
would open another kettle of fish, but watching for the
ice raids to show up in force in agricultural country
in California, and so far, I don't see that happening.
And I think what's happening is that Ice is going
where leftists perform against Ice like you, the more you say,
like Jacob Fry now says daily on social media, I
demand that Ice leave. The more you do that, the
more you create heat that draws ICE to you, and
that the more resistance they face, the more they send
people there. So I think there are places all over
the country, even places where citizenship and deportation is a
genuine issue and people are really thinking about it, where
there is no chaos and misery at all, and people
are just living normal lives. And if you find yourself
and I think we all do this, you know, you
and I both we make our living from media and
politics and looking at all of the show that's going on,
and I descend into something like a state of despair,
like my god, how can we be this crazy? And
I never find that turning off the television, turning off
the computer and getting in the car doesn't fix it.
All over this country, the country you grew up in,
still exists, it's just not television.
Speaker 1: I think that is great advice for all of us.
But I still want to go back to a time
when I was playing Pitfall on Atari twenty six hundred
and watching the NBC Thursday night lineup, which included cheers.
Of course, but it's a different world. My beloved sainted
mother used to say before she passed several years ago,
all the people that I used to watch in the
movies and here on the radio are dead. And of
course I'm getting to that point in my life. Now,
that's a natural thing. But this performative thing that you're
talking about from the left that has sowed the seeds
of so much chaos is not natural. It is absolutely
what they are going after. I mean, you don't have
to look too far back to see what was happening,
and Trump won, same kind of thing. So do you
see the chaos ramping up even to twenty twenty BLM
style leftist chaos this year an election year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely. But I think you have to notice
what's happening with all of it. I think you have
to notice. I'll tell this story. I'll say it this way.
Go Google, or go use the search function and X
go look for Democrats demanding that senior leaders in the administration,
cabinet officials and the administration resign. Go look for it.
Go look at the number of times that's happened. They
started ten minutes after the inauguration. Pete haig Seth has
been ruined, absolutely ruined. He's finished. There's no way he
can remain in office. He's destroyed. He's been destroyed a
dozen times now, and he's still there and he's still
extremely effective. He's still doing his job and doing it well.
Robert F. Kennedy Junior has been destroyed over and over
and over again. He's been absolutely ruined. He's had no
choice but to resign and give up over and over
and over again. And I actually I googled up a
specific example this morning. I must opened this and look
at it because I think it's so telling. December Representative
Delia Ramirez one of the less important members of Congress
in a body of people who are not important, one
of the least important but not important people. In December,
Delia Ramirez posted on x she said, Christy Nome, you
have three choices. You can quit today, or Donald Trump
can fire you today, or I'm I'm going to have
you impeached and removed.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a lot of threatening language there.
Speaker 2: You're done. And then Christinom completely ignored her and just
went on doing her job. And she's still there and
and you're done, You're finished. You have no choice. Actually
she did have a choice, and she just went on
doing her job. I think that's where we are. I
think we're at this point at which the performative reaction
is going to get more and more insane, and clearly
is getting more and more insane. And they are now saying,
basically daily like you're finished. We demanded, we order you
to stop. And he says, don't you just ignore them
and go on?
Speaker 1: And thank god that they do. I mean, because I mean,
take take a look at this guy. We're I think
before you and I started our conversation, we were getting
some word that the ICE officer who was truly struck
by a weaponized vehicle. It becomes a weapon when you
accelerate and drive into an individual. That Ice Watch activist
and alleged domestic terrorist Renee Good was driving that vehicle.
We've learned that this gentleman, at least according to some
sources being reported today and some of your finest corporate
media outlets, that he suffered internal injuries front that so
he must have something must have happened in that situation.
But of course you could set your watch by the
performance that came out of that. You wrote a great
piece that's up now on your substack. It's called The
Fall of soy Gon. I want you to explain that
headline here in just a bit. But the se deck,
as we used to say in newspapers, to speak through
the masks. The point of the performance you write is
the performance like art that exists only to comment on
the meaning of art. You tie this all into what
we've been talking about. Dan.
Speaker 2: You say this.
Speaker 1: In very direct terms. The Minneapolis Circle Jerk is producing
endless video of middle aged white leftist women doing the
same performance, endlessly, like there are a thousand pieces of
footage that all show the same moment with different faces,
and then you point to one where your reader can
click on come back when you're done, and then you
go on to talk about the performance. But I think
that really sums it up. The first and foremost where
did you get the Fall of Soygan.
Speaker 2: I stole it shamelessly, and I credit the person I
stole it from on the post, the leftist journalist Aaron
Rupar lives in Minneapolis, and he posted very dramatically on
x that his wife and children were evacuating as the
city falls to ice. Oh god and uh and some
totally random dude who's uh whose user name is Paul
said it's the Fall of Soygon, and I just it
resonated with me. So I thought it was the most
brilliant thing, and so I stole it as a headline.
This performative idea that that you know, everything's falling apart
and everything is going bad and we have to flee,
and it's it's crisis and chaos. Uh. And it's crisis
and chaos that that people on the left are creating
and then pretending to be afraid of. So I I Uh.
The Fall of Soygan refers to the idea that that
there is that we've arrived at a moment of collapse,
but the collapse is totally contrived.
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Speaker 1: And hence, you know, to do a little bit of
the Alfred y Noman here in truth? What me worry?
I mean, why should we worry about this? With this caveat?
I would say I have some dear friends in Minneapolis.
They're pretty liberal folk, just like many of the denizens,
maybe most of the denizens of Minneapolis in twenty twenty.
They did flee their city because they lived in an
area of the city that was literally on fire, and
there were people getting hurt and killed there on a
regular basis. Not to say that Minneapolis does not have,
thanks to its leftist leadership, you know, a constant train
of murders and violent crimes. But this was a special time,
a special season of course in the Black Lives Matter
movement for violent crimes, and so they fled, they got
out of there. They could not everybody could. But here
we are, fast forward almost six years later, and these
two Minneapolis residents I see are putting on Facebook, you know, Ice,
get out, how horrible this is. You know, you're destroying
the city. And I guess that's the point. The performance
is being watched closely by people who vehemently vote And
so what does that mean for twenty twenty six And
the majority of these Republicans, many of them very unimportant
Oh yes, you noted, many of them unimportant members of Congress.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think what we're going to see, and I
think we're already seeing it, certainly in California. I don't
know if I've ever talked about Scott Wilke, who was
a member of the California State Senate who during a
legislative hearing a few years ago, they were hearing a
bill about one of the infinite number of bills about
transgender children that consume the California legislature because nothing is
more important than transgender children, and Scott Wilke said, as
a serving member of the state legislature that my message
to California families is get out. We've lost There's nothing
that we apparently can do about it, and he said,
as soon as I finish my term in the State Senate,
I'm going to move to America. Uh. And I think,
I think what's coming. I think when you live in
Minneapolis and you go through cycles of riot season, like
the snow coming, it's it's riots are here again. I
think that the sort, the sorting of America into red
and blue, is going to accelerate and intensitify. I think
we can't live with each other anymore. And I think
that that sort is going to produce considerable decline and
decay in some of the places where productive people are fleeing.
I think we have a class of people who generate
all of their self worth, all of their sense of
themselves and what their lives mean, from this performance of
doing things like standing in a circle around ice agents
and screaming insults and abuse at them. We have a
performance class that's drawn to places where other people who
are from the performance class go to live. And I
think that Kurt Schlichter uses the term militant normals. I
think normals can't live around that and are going to
become increasingly militant about not living around it. So I
think the story of Minneapolis is going to be a
story of decline. We'll see if that's true. Our guest
today our guest, and leave will leave.
Speaker 1: Indeed, our guest today is Chris Ray, Journalist, historian, former soldier,
whiskey enthusiast, and the guy behind that. Tell me how
this ends, substack. It's a great read. As I said,
it's got an equal shot of funny and sobering writing
as well as you constantly, Chris, take a look at
where we stand in this country and in this culture.
So with all of that said, and the performance goes on,
and the performance will only intensify. You mentioned California and
your lawmaker there who put his hands up in the
air and said that's it, turn the lights out, gets
over for conservatives. Well, then, interesting, something funny happens that
conservatives Republicans are winning more seats, They're having more of
an impact. There is some success to be noted from
conservatives in California, and that really has come out over
the last several years from the decline that you're talking
about in San Francisco and Los Angeles and a lot
of other cities, blue cities in blue California. Is that
indicative of where we're heading, and I say that in
context of the wave that came in twenty twenty four,
is that sustainable even in a traditionally difficult time for
the majority party, the party in control in US politics.
Speaker 2: California is going to become a very interesting test case.
I was hoping that Prop fifty, which allowed the legislature
to override our Redistricting Commission and create new districts that
are very, very favorable to the Democratic Party, and that
will probably create even fewer allow even fewer Republicans to
be elected to the House of Representatives from California. I
was hoping that California would wake up a little bit
and notice that Prop fifty was destruction and decline. But
it passed very, very comfortably. My father was a My
father's no longer with us, but he was a Republican
Party activist in the Bay Area for a long time.
He walked precincts with Republican candidates in places like Berkeley
and Oakland. So he had a shell like a turtle.
You couldn't he had the thickest possible skin. But even
he eventually gave up and fled. We talk about in California,
we talk about you know, imagine how much better would
this state would be if we had a Republican party.
We essentially don't have one, and we have a bunch
of candidates. We have a bunch of candidates in the
state legislature who are just dreadful, dreadful. It's hard to
watch them speak because they're so stupid and they can
barely form sentences, and they pass shockingly stupid and evil legislation.
And they represent fairly purple districts where they win by
three or four points. And I've, like many people, have
begged the California GOP to go hard on some of
those districts and shout for the best possible candidates they
can find, and pour some money into those districts, and
it never happens. I don't think California is near term redeemable.
But what happens in California is that while the legislature
and all of the lower offices just keep filling up
with Democrats over and over again, occasionally occasionally we managed
to flip the governor's office. And I used to make
fun of Arnold Schwartz and say, God, what a terrible
governory is and not really producing any results. But many
years of Gavin Newsom have convinced me that I may
not have noticed how much Arnold Schwartzenegger was holding back
the flood. I think we have a chance at flipping
the governor's office this year. I think the legislature will
remain a disaster. The state legislature will remain a disaster.
And I warn America that we are going to send
the biggest idiots in the country to Congress. We have
already sent you two of the dumbest senators in the
history of the country, and we're just going to pile on.
I very much wonder if our very worst state legislature,
state Legislator Scott Wiener, is going to win a seat
in the House of Representatives. I don't think there's a
political redemption coming for California soon.
Speaker 1: Really, that's you know, we hear from the California Republicans,
the young Republicans. Hey, people are paying attention. You know,
they're living this disaster, and they may not be conservatives,
but they're no longer in line. A growing number of
Californians are getting out of the far left line. And
here is the problem. Even if that is true, and
it sounds like, you know, even When you have that,
you have representatives who certainly don't represent the interest of
those those folks who are soon to be, many of
them refugees. But here's the problem, Chris. When they leave
their Marxist enclaves in San Francisco and Oakland, in Los
Angeles wherever, they go to red states and they say
they leave because they're tired of the high taxes, they're
tired of the crime. And then they come in and
either they run for office or they elect people who
bring the same misery with them. How do we stop
that awfulness?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think, certainly from the example of my
parents who fled California for Arizona. A lot of the
people who flee California are not Blue voters. Although made
the heavens grand mercy on us, some of them are.
And I apologize to America for the cancer we're spreading
across the country. California is the largest holds the largest
group of Republican voters in the country. Donald Trump got
four million votes out of California each time he ran.
If I remember the numbers correctly, there are a lot
of Republicans here, but the state has something like thirty
eight million people now, so they just get overwhelmed. If
you drive along the eastern edge of California, you're driving
along ranching country and through rural communities that are very,
very conservative, where the vote is seventy or eighty percent Republican.
But for example, if you go to Modoc County up
in the northeastern corner of the state, which is a
giant cattle ranching area, they're very very conservative voters and
they have nine thousand people in the entire county. There
are blocks in San Francisco that outvote Modoc County. So
there's just a wait, this is happening in Washington, it's
happening in Oregon, it's happening in California. That enormous conservative
communities are governed by Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles,
and so a lot of the people who are fleeing
are very conservative people. But they're not. They're not all
And I am so sorry. I don't know how to
solve that problem. But you know, how this ends. I
wish I knew how this ends. I think it ends nationally.
I think California is facing a lot more declined before
any kind of reality comes back, because so many people
have fled because so many Red voters have just given
up and left the state, and it produces greater and
greater in balance. But I think it ends nationally. I have.
It's been a few years since I did this, but
I wrote a series of posts about the psychology of
Jonestown mm hmm sure, which started as the People's Temple,
and with a very large group of people listening to
Jim Jones, and then some people leaving, and some people leaving,
and some people leaving, and People's Temple moved a bunch
of times, and each time they moved, they shed a
few people, and as the cult got smaller and smaller,
the remaining people became more and more fervent, to the
point that at the end there were only a few
hundred people left, many of whom didn't question the final order.
I think what happens in places like California is that
as sensible people flee, as Scott Wilke moves to America,
the people who remain by it more and more and
more and say, like, I absolutely fascinated to see the
Donald Trump is literally Adolf Hitler thing still going. Jason Stanley,
the philosophy professor who fled Yale and move to Canada
to escape the American Hitler has a new interview with
Mother Jones this week, you know, banging on, still going,
still saying no, no, no, no, no. Look, the evidence is
fascism is rising in American it's rising in Argentina, and
it's rising in Russian, and it's rising in Germany. And
everybody's a fascist. And it's just so shockingly stupid that
I can't imagine he's still convincing himself of it, but
he is. So. I think a smaller and smaller group
of people become more and more insane and performative, and
outside the blue zones, outside the places like Minneapolis and
Los Angeles, where the colt is becoming more and more
concentrated and incapable of thinking. I think that I think
that people will learn what the Trump administration has learned,
which is, you know, as members of Congress say Christy
nom is done, I demand that you resign, they just
ignore them. Yeah. I think we're getting to the point
where we're going to have a very, very loud and
insane American political left, and a growing portion of the
country will just ignore them. I've thought this week a
lot about the clusters in Minneapolis that you see whenever
ICE makes arrest and twenty or thirty or one hundred
people surround them and scream abuse at them and blow
whistles and try to create chaos and misery and try
to produce a response in the ICE. The border patrol
officers and the ICE agents just ignore them and go
on with their work. I think that's America in the
next few years. I think that is a metaphor for
the entire country. A ring of crazy people screaming and
making incoherent noise around a country that more and more
just ignores them and gets on with its work. And
I think there's a bunch of a bunch of good news.
I think we're seeing some significant economic growth. Venezuela is
reduc to as releasing political prisoners. The regime and Iran
appears to be collapsing. Let's hope that happens. Yes, we
see some good things happening against what seems to be
maybe this is true. We'll see what seems to be
increasingly impotent opposition that can only make crazy noises while
the country just ignores them.
Speaker 1: Well, I have to tell you that after about a
half hour of our conversation, I started out feeling pretty
grim about things. I felt like your senator who wanted
to flee California for America. I get it, you know,
I'm talking to you right now in a deep red state,
and I'm feeling okay about things. But I look around
the world and I say, my god, what's happening. But basically,
what this boils down to you hear the left has
said this over and over again, there are two Americas.
And of course what they mean is the you know,
they're there are the privileged and the entitled, and all
of these sorts of things, of course, never looking at
their privilege and their entitlements, certainly, But I don't think
it's the two America's blue and red anymore, although that's
that's certainly part of it. I think the two Americas
are reason and insanity. And what you're telling us is
that you believe reason will ultimately prevail.
Speaker 2: So Helen Andrews wrote this piece that got a lot
of attention about the feminization of American institutions. And when
I say this, I have to immediately follow up and say,
in California, all of the most sensible and reasonable activists
who've been fighting against the crazy institutions have been women.
When we talk about feminization, we're not saying men versus women,
all women versus all men, but we're talking about feminine
approaches to problems versus masculine approaches to problems. How do
I feel about this? Everyone should cooperate and we should
all be friends, and everyone should be on board. We
should have we should have shared identity and shared values.
The feminine values of let's all get along, let's all cooperate,
the feminine value of policing status. Instead of making an
argument versus masculine value is of I have to refer
to the video it's not about the nail. Has everyone
seen it's not about the nail. I think that's important
that you see a guy on a couch saying, well, honey,
I think you're having a headache because of the nail,
and the woman says, it's not about the nail. Why
can't you just validate my feelings instead of doing all
of this rational stuff about trying to find solutions. And
at the end of the video you realize he has
a nail sticking in her forehead. I think, and I
don't mean all men and all women I think that
the conflict between rational problem solving behavior and I will
use the word hysterical, hysterical performative conflict. I don't mean
all men and all women. Is that conflict in America.
And it's very very telling, very very telling. Then when
you watch the video for Minneapolis and you see crowds
of people surrounding ice officers, they tend to be middle
aged white women. Enormous crowds of middle aged white women
as who disproportionately are on SSR eyes all over the country.
They are, by far by percentage, the largest population consuming Ssriyes,
I think we are in a culture war about where
you begin a discussion, how you begin talking about here
is a problem, what do we do about it? And
there's an approach that says, let's figure out the causes
and let's apply the Trump administration approach. Let's figure out
what the problem is and apply solutions to it and
see what walks versus A deeply performative set of symbol
invocations about hate has no home here. I just exist
blows my mind. By the way, one of the ice
one of the SUVs the ice officers were driving around
in Minneapolis. They quite brilliantly put a coexist sticker on
the back. That's good. I think we're having a a
culture war over starting points. How do you begin to
talk about what's happening? And I think the one that
focuses on logic and fact and solving problems is the
one that prevails, though it probably has to prevail against
a great deal of noise.
Speaker 1: A great deal of noise. Indeed, and I'm wondering, is
the rallying cry from that middle aged white woman protester
is their new motto, drive Baby Drive. If it is,
what does that mean for the future of this country?
Speaker 2: It does seem to me. And the next thing she
said after the shooting, we have video now of her
reaction and the things she shouted at the ice agent
who shot her wife, her supposed wife. They apparently didn't
even get married. Yeah, think about her saying this, because
I think this is what's happening in America. She said
to them, why are you using real bullets? Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There was an essay at the Substack Bad Catitude recently
about the problem of word people, and I am a
word person. I've spent my career in media and academia
except for some years in the army, but I've spent
my adult life working with words and living inside of
this being one of these people, I see the point.
There are people who spend their lives doing things, making things,
fixing things, putting their hands on things, who start with
a perception of reality that has to do with physics
and what is. And there are people who spend their
lives dealing in symbols. Robert Reisch called them symbol analysts.
I think yes, and I believe that was the term.
The future is in symbol analysts. The culture in the
economy will be increasingly focused on symbol analysts, people who
work with representations of things, not with things themselves.
Speaker 1: Do you mean like Renee Goods poetry?
Speaker 2: Like Renee Goods just extraordinary poetry And if you haven't
haven't read any you should google Sema. But I think
we have a set of people who believe that life
is symbols, and that symbols should prevail, and that saying
good symbols against bad symbols should work. And they find
themselves saying things like why are you using real bullets?
They find themselves slamming into physical reality in ways that
are increasingly untenable. And I think I think that divergence,
that cycle of conflict, that conflict between word people and
thing people making things people, is going to get more
and more clear and more and more dire. And I
think that the word people can't prevail because they sort
of walk through life thinking that the words they say,
the lawn sign they put up in their yard that
hate has no home here, Immigrants and refugees welcome sign
has a kind of magic effect and will shape reality.
Like a member of Congress telling Christy Noome you you're done.
You have you have to choose between resigning immediately or
having me remove you. And then it doesn't happen. What
do they do next? They don't do anything next because
they they think that because they only know the magic incantation,
I said it, so it should happen. And I think
they're they're magical incantations are failing them. I think they're
working less and less. Well, it's it's you have to
notice this week, of all weeks, whenever you watch it,
and there are there must be hundreds of videos now
if not thousands of videos out of Minneapolis of ice
making arrests, and they're inevitably surrounded by groups that shout
at them, what are you doing? Get your hands off him?
Let him go? Yeah, right, let him go, Let him go,
let him go, over and over and over and over again,
like a magical incantation. And it's at one point you
have to notice that never in the history of crowd
shouting let him go, have they ever let him go.
So the performance that the incantations, the the invocation of
words against the physical reality of what Ice is doing,
against the physical reality of the real world, just doesn't work.
It doesn't ever work, and they just keep doing it.
And so what does that imply about where it ends?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess we'll will conclude there concretely in
the real world, what does that imply? Because on the
other side of that as well, while you have Renee
Goods wife or kind of wife, wife and name only,
I don't know, saying I can't believe you're using real bullets,
you do have members of the left we're growing increasingly
violent and using real bullets on political leaders that they
are now literally at war with. So I guess that's
the final question. And I think you've answered it over
and over again. I think you answer it oftentimes in
your columns, and that is you know, we are seeing
a collision point here. But your ultimate takeaway and how
this ends, is that eventually reason, rationality, the real world
will prevail, because it always does, and it always has to.
Speaker 2: Correct. Physical reality votes last. Things that exist in the
real world vote last. And you can chant and do
magical invocations as much as you want. Reality reality shows
up in reality wins. Reality is showing up in California,
where we talk all the time about how utterly superior
we are and how much better the California way is.
But you can look at the state and see the decline.
You can see the physical infrastructure falling apart.
Speaker 1: The real world just shows up. Follow the science, right,
follow the science. Thanks to my guest today, Chris Bray, journalist, historian,
former soldier, whiskey enthusiast and the guy behind that. Tell
me how this end?
Speaker 2: Substack?
Speaker 1: Where can where can our fine listeners find this fine.
Speaker 2: Publication Chrisbray dot substack dot com, or you can just
google up Chris Bray tell me how this ends.
Speaker 1: Excellent, and of course you caned his good work. Chris
prays good work from time to time at the Federalist
you've been listening to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour.
I'm Matt Kittle, Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll
be back soon with more. Until then, stay, lovers of
freedom and anxious for the fray, heard the fame, voice
the reason, and then it faded away.