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<v Speaker 1>Imagine dropping a tiny, seemingly insignificant piece of plastic in

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<v Speaker 1>a driveway, like maybe it slips from your hand in

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<v Speaker 1>a rush, or you know, maybe it's just discarded on purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk away, you drive off. Yeah, you go on

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<v Speaker 1>to live your life for fourteen entirely normal years. You

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<v Speaker 1>probably think you got away with whatever you did that day.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, you'd think you're in the clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And then a team of scientists in a lab

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<v Speaker 1>halfway across the state uses like microscopic invisible skin cells

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<v Speaker 1>left on that piece of plastic to completely freeze your

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<v Speaker 1>life in its tracks, which results in a one point

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<v Speaker 1>five million dollar bond in a motor charge.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the modern reality of criminal justness. Honestly, we

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<v Speaker 2>tend to think of the past as something that just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, fades away. But in forensic terms, the past

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't fade. It just sits there quietly on a shelf

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<v Speaker 2>in an evidence room.

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<v Speaker 1>Wowkay.

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<v Speaker 2>The physical evidence collected on the day of a crime,

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<v Speaker 2>the biological material, the digital footprint, it doesn't expire. It

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<v Speaker 2>is essentially a time capsule. It waits patiently for the

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<v Speaker 2>analytical tools and the scientific methods of the future to

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<v Speaker 2>finally you know, catch up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's unpack this because that is exactly what we

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<v Speaker 1>are looking at today. We're diving into a really remarkable

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<v Speaker 1>piece of reporting from a substack called CT Missing People

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<v Speaker 1>in Cold Cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>This was written by Victoria Sunfist on August twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty twenty six, and the mission for this deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive is to deconstruct the anatomy of a newly cracked cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Case, which is so important to do right because we

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<v Speaker 2>aren't just going.

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<v Speaker 1>To look at the who. We want to understand the

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<v Speaker 1>very specific timeline of what happened, map out this incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic crime scene, and I think most importantly, figure out

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<v Speaker 1>the actual mechanics of how a massive interagency effort managed

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<v Speaker 1>to bring a twenty twelve homicide suspect into a courtroom

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<v Speaker 1>in the year twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>What's fascinating here is that journey because it forces us

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<v Speaker 2>to look at the gap between what investigators, what they

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<v Speaker 2>know intuitively on day one, and what they can actually

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<v Speaker 2>prove in a court of law fourteen years later. That

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<v Speaker 2>gap is really where the true story of this investigation lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's go back to day one. Then we

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<v Speaker 1>need to step inside that time capsule you mentioned. The

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<v Speaker 1>date is February twenty two, twenty twelve. It's a Wednesday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 1>The location is a home on Mountain Laurel Lane in Chaplin, Connecticut.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, so a pretty quiet area exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a quiet residential neighborhood. And this is where investigators

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<v Speaker 1>find the first victim, a forty two year old man

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<v Speaker 1>named Michael Mitchell. Yeah, he is found dead right there

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<v Speaker 1>in the driveway. The source notes he suffered multiple stab

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<v Speaker 1>wounds to his back in abdomen, and the autopsy, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean very quickly rules his death a homicide. Right, But

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't the only victim in this event, No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the situation was far more complex than just a

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<v Speaker 2>body in a driveway. Minutes before police actually found Mitchell's body,

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<v Speaker 2>a nine to one to one pall was placed. It

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<v Speaker 2>was from a woman who had also been inside that

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<v Speaker 2>exact same house on Laurel Lane. She had been stabbed

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<v Speaker 2>in the stomach, oh man, But despite suffering what is

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<v Speaker 2>essentially a catastrophic, incapacitating injury, she managed to physically flee

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<v Speaker 2>the house and escape the immediate perminal of the violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the details of her escape are incredible. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't just like stumble out the front door and collapse

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<v Speaker 1>on the front lawn.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she keeps going right.

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<v Speaker 1>She makes it a few blocks away to a place

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<v Speaker 1>called Miller Road, and she's desperately flagging down a person

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<v Speaker 1>who just happened to be outwalking their dog. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>can you imagine being that dog walker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>You're just taking a normal Wednesday afternoon stroll in a

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<v Speaker 1>quiet neighborhood, maybe listening to music, and suddenly you are

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<v Speaker 1>pulling someone back from the brink of death.

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<v Speaker 2>It completely shatters the reality of that day for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and thankfully it worked. She was rushed to Hartford Hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>she underwent emergency surgery, and she survived.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is a miracle. And you know, the dog walker's

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<v Speaker 2>presence is a critical variable here, not just for the

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<v Speaker 2>victim's survival, which of course is paramount, but for the

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<v Speaker 2>investigation itself.

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<v Speaker 1>How So, like just setting the timeline.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly when you have an external witness stumble into the

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<v Speaker 2>timeline like that, it immediately creates a hard time stamp.

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<v Speaker 2>It locks the sequence of events into a very specific window.

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<v Speaker 2>Investigators now know exactly when the violence concluded because that

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<v Speaker 2>nine to one one call freezes the clock.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And beyond her survival, the physical environment that the perpetrator,

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<v Speaker 2>Mitchell and this woman left behind, well, it told a vivid,

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<v Speaker 2>highly chaotic story.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. The source details a scene that is just I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's overwhelmed with physical evidence. Yeah, there was a blood

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<v Speaker 1>trail that went all the way through the downstairs of

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<v Speaker 1>the house and out the rear door. There was broken

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<v Speaker 1>glass everywhere, displaced furniture, blood spatter on the walls and

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<v Speaker 1>on the furniture.

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<v Speaker 2>Itself, just massive destruction.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like a shattered snow globe. You walk into

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<v Speaker 1>this frozen snapshot of utter chaos where the peace have

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<v Speaker 1>just been scattered in every possible direction.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a really good way to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>And crucially, out in the driveway near Mitchell, investigators found

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<v Speaker 1>a discarded knife.

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<v Speaker 2>Sheath, right, the piece of plastic exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So reading through that list of evidence, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>stop and ask a fundamental question. Here. You have two

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<v Speaker 1>victims fleeing, you have blood trails, tracking movement everywhere, overturned furniture,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have physical items like a knife sheath literally

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<v Speaker 1>dropped on the ground how does a case with this

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<v Speaker 1>much initial physical evidence go cold for fourteen years? It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they had everything they needed on day one.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, it seems completely counterintuitive. I agree. We have

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<v Speaker 2>this bias, largely fueled by media and television procedurals that

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<v Speaker 2>more evidence equals a.

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<v Speaker 1>Faster solution, right, Like, if the room is a mess,

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<v Speaker 1>the killer must have left a giant neon sign pointing

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<v Speaker 1>to themselves exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the reality of forensic science, an abundance of

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<v Speaker 2>evidence can actually create a massive signal to noise ratio problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what do you mean by signal to noise in

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<v Speaker 1>this context?

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<v Speaker 2>Think about the sheer violence of the scene. You just described,

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<v Speaker 2>broken glass, displaced furniture, a blood trail going through the

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<v Speaker 2>entire house. Yeah, that means there was a horrific, highly

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<v Speaker 2>kinetic struggle.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>When a scene is that chaotic, you are dealing with

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<v Speaker 2>a massive volume of biological data. You have the blood

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<v Speaker 2>of Michael Mitchell, you have the blood of the surviving woman,

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<v Speaker 2>right and almost certainly, given the ferocity of a knife attack,

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<v Speaker 2>the perpetrator likely cut themselves or left trayce DNA behind.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, because their hands slipped or.

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<v Speaker 2>Something exactly, But finding the killer's microscopic trace inside that

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<v Speaker 2>house is like trying to find a specific grain of

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<v Speaker 2>sand on a beach made entirely of the victim's DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Okay, So it's not a clean puzzle with a

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<v Speaker 1>few missing pieces. It's more like someone took three different puzzles,

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<v Speaker 1>dumped them into a blender hit pulse, and just poured

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<v Speaker 1>it out on the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a much more accurate way to look at it. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the blender analogy is perfect. In twenty twelve forensic teams,

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<v Speaker 2>they collected all of it. They mapped the blood trails,

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<v Speaker 2>they bagged the knife sheath, they took the swabs.

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<v Speaker 1>They did the work.

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<v Speaker 2>They absolutely did the work. But the technological tools available

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<v Speaker 2>at that exact moment weren't sophisticated enough to isolate the

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrator's biological signal from the overwhelming noise of the victims biology.

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<v Speaker 1>So they couldn't separate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, If you swab a broken table and it has

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<v Speaker 2>the blood of the two victims and a tiny skin

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<v Speaker 2>cell from the killer, the twenty twelve DNA analysis would

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<v Speaker 2>just show a messy, unreadable mixture. It would come back

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<v Speaker 2>as inconclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means the investigators are just stuck. They know the

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<v Speaker 1>killers in the data somewhere, but they literally can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Extract him exactly. Or rather, that is the roadblock they

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<v Speaker 2>hit in twenty twelve. They preserve the evidence. It went

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<v Speaker 2>into climate controlled lockers, the digital data from the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 2>went into servers, and there.

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<v Speaker 1>It sat, just waiting for the science to evolve precisely,

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<v Speaker 1>which moves us from the physical, visceral chaos of that

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve driveway to the sterile, highly precise environment of

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty twenty six laboratory. The physical evidence essentially had

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<v Speaker 1>to wait until the science of twenty twenty six could

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<v Speaker 1>finally translate what it had been trying to say all along.

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<v Speaker 2>And that translation process is what ultimately breaks the silence

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<v Speaker 2>in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So let's fast forward to August of twenty twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>the fourteen year silence is finally broken. Authorities arrest forty

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<v Speaker 1>three year old Matthew Vining of Willemantick. He is officially

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<v Speaker 1>charged with the twenty twelve murder of Michael Mitchell. He's

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<v Speaker 1>arraigned in Danielson Superior Court. He is held in lieu

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<v Speaker 1>of a massive one point five million dollar bond. Wow. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and his next court day is set for October ninth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the Chief State's Attorney, Patrick J. Griffin, released a statement

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<v Speaker 1>detailing exactly what broke this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Open right the tool.

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<v Speaker 1>He listed four specific pillars of the investigation, DNA analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>video surveillance, cell cite investigation, and eyewitness accounts, specifically regarding

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<v Speaker 1>a suspicious vehicle in the area that day. Where it

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<v Speaker 1>gets really interesting. If they had an eyewitness account of

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<v Speaker 1>a suspicious vehicle, and they had historical cell site data

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<v Speaker 1>right from the start in twenty twelve, why wait over

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<v Speaker 1>a decade?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the big question.

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<v Speaker 1>Were they just sitting on their hands waiting for a

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<v Speaker 1>magical DNA test to act as the final puzzle piece.

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<v Speaker 2>If we connect this to the bigger picture, it is

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<v Speaker 2>all about the concept of layering in criminal investigations and

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<v Speaker 2>really understanding limitations of early twenty tens technology.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, break that down for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's look at those pillars. An eyewitness seeing a suspicious vehicle.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a fantastic starting point. Sure, it provides a theory,

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you a make a model, maybe a color,

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<v Speaker 2>but memory is notoriously fallible and driving a car down

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<v Speaker 2>a residential road is not a crime.

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<v Speaker 1>It is just a thread, right, But what about the

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<v Speaker 1>cell site data? If they knew his phone was there,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't that it triggered an a rest in twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a very common misconception about how cell site

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<v Speaker 2>data worked back then. When we hear location data today,

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<v Speaker 2>we think of the little blue GPS dot on our

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<v Speaker 2>smartphones that tracks us down to the square meter. Yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>But historical cell side analysis from twenty twelve is very

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<v Speaker 2>very different. Cell towers don't pinpoint you. They communicate with

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<v Speaker 2>your phone to provide service.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>A typical cell tower has three sides, each covering a

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and twenty degree wedge of geographic area. Think

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<v Speaker 2>of it like a giant slice of pie radiating outward

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<v Speaker 2>for miles.

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<v Speaker 1>So, in twenty twelve, if Matthew Vining's phone pinged a

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, they might know his phone utilized a specific sector

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<v Speaker 2>hundred other houses. Proving his phone was in a multi

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<v Speaker 2>So fast forward to twenty twenty six. Software algorithms used

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<v Speaker 2>Today, analysts can look at how a phone interacted with

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so they can retroactively tighten the net on

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they tighten the net. They combine that refined digital

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they have a tighter net, they have a

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<v Speaker 1>was in the area. But you still can't secure a

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<v Speaker 1>one point five million dollar bond on a murder charge

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<v Speaker 1>just because a guide drove his car near a crime

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<v Speaker 2>No, you cannot. To get an arrest warrant of that magnitude,

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<v Speaker 2>you need an undeniable, definitive physical link tying the suspect

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<v Speaker 2>not just to the neighborhood, but to the act of

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<v Speaker 2>violence itself. Right, And that is where the leap in

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<v Speaker 2>It comes down to something called mixture deconvolution and touch

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<v Speaker 2>DNA extraction. Okay, let's look at that knife sheath found

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<v Speaker 2>adrenaline fueled struggle, they are shedding microscopic epithelial cells skim cells, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But the sheath is lying in the driveway next to

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<v Speaker 1>a victim who has been stabbed multiple times. It's likely

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<v Speaker 2>Blood, which was the insurmountable problem in twenty twelve. If

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<v Speaker 2>a lab swab that sheath back then, the massive volume

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<v Speaker 2>of the victim's blood DNA would completely mask the microscopic

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<v Speaker 1>The noise drowns out the signal exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The readout the electroferogram would just look like the victim's

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<v Speaker 1>And that sounds like a massive malful What does that software.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually do to use an analogy? If twenty twelve DNA

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<v Speaker 2>out what brand of flour was used, Yeah, the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yeah, the computer algorithms are now smart enough to

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<v Speaker 2>look at that messy genetic static, separate the overwhelming signal

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, so they mathematically filter out the victim to reveal

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, they extract a clear genetic profile from the touch DNA.

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<v Speaker 2>That profile is run through a database or compared directly

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you don't just have an eyewitness saying a

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<v Speaker 2>was there. You have a mathematical certainty that Matthew Vining's

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<v Speaker 2>microscopic skin cells were deeply embedded in the weapon sheath

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<v Speaker 2>lying next to the victim's body, which changes everything exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The DNA locks the geographic footprint into an undeniable physical reality.

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<v Speaker 1>The science is practically magic compared to fourteen years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But here is the thing. You can have the most

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<v Speaker 1>advanced probabilistic genotyping software in the world. Yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can have terabytes of historical cell data ready to be triangulated,

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<v Speaker 1>but that data doesn't analyze itself. You can't utilize these

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<v Speaker 2>No, you absolutely cannot. Technology is entirely inert without the

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<v Speaker 2>human infrastructure directing it. Synthesizing fourteen year old evidence across

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<v Speaker 2>multiple scientific disciplines requires a massive, highly coordinated.

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<v Speaker 1>Team, and the source material highlights this beautifully. Reading. The

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<v Speaker 1>roster of the joint investigation team that finally brought Vining

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<v Speaker 1>in is staggering. It's a long list, it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the Cold Case Unit of the Office of

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<v Speaker 1>Emergency Services and Public Protection, the State Judicial Marshals at

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<v Speaker 1>Danielson Superior Court, and the Willemantic Police Department. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like reading the end credits of a blockbuster movie. It

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<v Speaker 1>really emphasizes that real tangible justice isn't about some lone

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<v Speaker 1>wolf detective having a sudden epiphany. It is a massive

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<v Speaker 2>It is a phenomenal logistical fee and if we break

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<v Speaker 2>a really clear window into how cold cases actually function

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<v Speaker 2>in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the Cold Case Unit, for example. The source explicitly

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<v Speaker 2>defines their structure. They are comprised of prosecutors and investigators

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<v Speaker 2>from the Division of Criminal Justice who collaborate with state

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<v Speaker 2>and municipal police. That specific structure, pairing prosecutors with detectives

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<v Speaker 2>from day one is the vital bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do they need to be paired up? Though? Don't

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<v Speaker 1>detectives just find the bad guy and hand them over

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<v Speaker 1>to the lawyers.

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<v Speaker 2>In a standard television procedural, yes, that's how it works.

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<v Speaker 2>But in a complex, circumstantial cold case, the goals of

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<v Speaker 2>a detective and a prosecutor can sometimes be well slightly

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<v Speaker 2>out of alignment. How So, a detective's mandate is to

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<v Speaker 2>probable cause, right, a prosecutor's mandate is vastly different. They

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<v Speaker 2>doubt as much higher bar exactly So, a detective might

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<v Speaker 2>look at the cell phone paying and the suspicious car

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<v Speaker 2>and say, we know he did it, let's arrest him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor has to say, I know he did it too,

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<v Speaker 2>But a defense attorney will shred this cell data in

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<v Speaker 2>five minutes, go back to the lab and get me

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<v Speaker 2>the DNA off the sheath, or we don't have a case.

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<v Speaker 2>By having them work together in a cold case unit,

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<v Speaker 2>the legal thresholds dictate the scientific inquiry, The lawyers guide

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<v Speaker 2>the detectives on exactly what evidence needs to be modernized

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<v Speaker 2>to secure a conviction. In twenty twenty six, That.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes perfect sense. They're basically reverse engineering the investigation from

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<v Speaker 1>the jury box nicely. But what about the FBI? This

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<v Speaker 1>was a stabbing in a small Connecticut town. Is horrific

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<v Speaker 1>local crime, obviously, but it's local. Why bring in the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal involvement in a local, non federal homicide usually points

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<v Speaker 2>to a need for highly specialized resources that local municipalities

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<v Speaker 2>simply do not have the budget for.

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<v Speaker 1>Like what kind of resources?

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<v Speaker 2>For instance, the FBI has a very specific unit called

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<v Speaker 2>the Cellular Analysis Survey Team or case st are.

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<v Speaker 1>Those the folks who do the triangulation we talked about earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, CASEC agents are the absolute gold standard in the

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<v Speaker 2>world for mapping historical cell site data. They are engineers

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<v Speaker 2>and analysts who specialize in testify in court about exactly

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<v Speaker 2>how a twenty twelve cell tower interacted with a handset.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you bring in the heavy hitters for.

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<v Speaker 2>The tech exactly. Furthermore, the FBI's forensic laboratories in Quantico

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<v Speaker 2>often have access to the absolute bleeding edge DNA processing

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<v Speaker 2>techniques like advanced mixture deconvolution, years before state level labs

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<v Speaker 2>acquire the funding for the same software. Yeah, when a

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<v Speaker 2>case is frozen for fourteen years, you pull out the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest technological hammers you can find to break the ice.

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<v Speaker 1>So you have this massive, coordinated team, You have an

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<v Speaker 1>arsenal of modernized forensic tools. You have the FBI crunching

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<v Speaker 1>the cell data, you have State labs unbaking the DNA cake,

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<v Speaker 1>and it all results in a suspect in handcuffs standing

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<v Speaker 1>in Danielson Superior Court with a one point five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar bond. It feels a good tidy resolution. It does,

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<v Speaker 1>but it isn't because despite all of this incredible effort,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a glaring, massive anomaly in the courtroom charges that

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<v Speaker 1>we have to talk about. We have the suspect, but

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<v Speaker 1>I am not convinced we have the full story.

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<v Speaker 2>You are referring to the second victim.

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<v Speaker 1>I am. The source explicitly states that Matthew Vining has

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<v Speaker 1>not been charged in connection with the surviving woman stabbing,

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<v Speaker 1>and it notes that it remains unclear if he ever

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<v Speaker 1>will be. So what does this all mean? If both

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<v Speaker 1>victims were in the exact same house, fleeing the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same violent attack and leaving the exact same trail of destruction,

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<v Speaker 1>how does this state confidently charge Viining with the murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Mitchell in the driveway, but completely ignore the stabbing

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<v Speaker 1>of the woman who barely survived. How do you split

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<v Speaker 1>a single chronological event in half like that?

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<v Speaker 2>This raises an important question about the reality of the

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<v Speaker 2>criminal justice system versus our logical expectations of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>from a common sense perspective, you're right, it is a single,

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<v Speaker 2>continuous event. But from a legal perspective, every single charge

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<v Speaker 2>must be proven independently beyond a reasonable doubt, with its

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<v Speaker 2>own specific chain of evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a package deal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not at all. Prosecution, especially in a cold case,

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<v Speaker 2>is an incredibly careful, highly strategic game of chess.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so you think this is a strategic omission. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's a case of the police believing someone

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<v Speaker 1>else stabbed the woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost certainly it is a strategic omission. Let's look back

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<v Speaker 2>at the evidentiary pillars cited by the Chief State's Attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a knife sheath found in the driveway near

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Mitchell's body. Right, If the groundbreaking DM evidence ties

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<v Speaker 2>Vining specifically to that sheath, and that sheath is physically

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<v Speaker 2>located next to Mitchell, the evidentiary link for the murder

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<v Speaker 2>charge is incredibly strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a clean line.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a clean line from the suspect's skin cells

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<v Speaker 2>to the murder victim's proximity.

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<v Speaker 1>But the woman was stabbed inside the house, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least earlier in the sequence of events before the chaos

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and remember the blender of DNA we discussed inside

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<v Speaker 2>the house. Oh what if the DNA on the broken

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<v Speaker 2>glass or the walls inside is simply two mixed, even

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty six technology to yield a definitive profile.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I see, what if the specific weapon used on

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<v Speaker 2>the woman wasn't recovered or the forensic link inside the

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<v Speaker 2>house isn't as airtight as the sheath in the driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>A prosecutor will only charge what they know with absolute,

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<v Speaker 2>ironclad certainty they can prove to a jury today.

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<v Speaker 1>But why not just throw the assault charge in there? Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>if they get him for the murder, does it matter

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<v Speaker 1>if the assault charge is a little weaker.

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<v Speaker 2>It matters immensely because of a legal concept called the

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<v Speaker 2>jeopardy right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the Fifth.

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment protects individuals from being tried twice for the same crime.

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<v Speaker 2>If a prosecutor charges Vining with the assault on the

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<v Speaker 2>surviving woman today and the evidence regarding the interior of

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<v Speaker 2>the house falls short in court, a jury could acquit

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<v Speaker 2>him of that specific charge, and if he's acquitted. If

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<v Speaker 2>he is acquitted of the assault, he is legally immune

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<v Speaker 2>from ever being prosecuted for it again, even if ten

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<v Speaker 2>years from now, in twenty thirty six, a new piece

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<v Speaker 2>of technology emerges that perfectly isolates his DNA from the

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<v Speaker 2>blood on the living room wall. Wow, it wouldn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>He would be untouchable for that specific crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I never thought about it that way. So

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<v Speaker 1>by not charging him for the second stabbing right now,

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<v Speaker 1>they are actually protecting the future integrity of that specific investigation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're hoarding the charge. They got him off the street

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<v Speaker 1>with a one point five million dollar bond for the murder,

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<v Speaker 1>which neutralizes him as a threat to the public, and

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<v Speaker 1>that buys them all the time in the world to

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<v Speaker 1>keep refining the evidence for the surviving victim without risking

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<v Speaker 1>double jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, it is a calculated, pragmatic approach to justice. It

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledges that while the scientific tools of twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>have illuminated one half of the crime scene, the driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>The other half, the interior of the house, might still

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<v Speaker 2>require a bit more time to come into perfect focus. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>they secure the conviction, they know they can win today

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<v Speaker 2>and keep the door open for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>That is such a vital perspective to keep in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It really shifts how you consume news about these types

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<v Speaker 1>of arrests.

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<v Speaker 2>It should.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is not just about what the authorities announcing their

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<v Speaker 1>press conferences. It is about what they intentionally hold back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about reading the negative space in an indictment. And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>this entire deep dive is a powerful reminder of why

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<v Speaker 1>paying attention to these cold case breakthroughs matter so much.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a testament to the fact that human actions

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<v Speaker 1>leave permanent echoes.

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<v Speaker 2>They really do.

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<v Speaker 1>A discarded plastic sheath in a driveway, a microscopic of sweat,

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<v Speaker 1>an invisible radio wave from a cell phone tower to

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<v Speaker 1>a satellite. That information doesn't just disappear into the ether.

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<v Speaker 1>It waits. The truth has incredible patience.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, and if we take that thought one step further,

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<v Speaker 2>it leaves us with something quite profound to consider about

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<v Speaker 2>our own lives today.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Think about the digital footprint and the microscopic evidence a

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<v Speaker 2>person might have left behind. Back in twenty twelve, we

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about an era of flip phones, early smartphones

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<v Speaker 2>and relatively basic surveillance.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a different world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet even that limited data was eventually their undoing fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>years later. Now, thing about today's world. Think about the sheer,

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<v Speaker 2>unfathomable volume of data we generate right now in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Every step is tracked by precise GPS, every financial transaction

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<v Speaker 2>is logged, our smart device is ping constantly, Biometric data

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<v Speaker 2>is everywhere, and almost every corner of our public lives

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<v Speaker 2>is recorded by a high definition lens of some kind.

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<v Speaker 2>As this technology continues to evolve at breakneck speed, synthesize

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<v Speaker 2>mountains of data in mere seconds. Are we rapidly approaching

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<v Speaker 2>an error where the very concept of a cold case

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<v Speaker 2>will become entirely extinct,
