WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.439 --> 00:00:06.879 Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.800 I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't 3 00:00:10.839 --> 00:00:13.839 help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:17.079 our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested 5 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:19.320 in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm 6 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.800 going over the same parenting topics over and over. 7 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.879 So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere, 8 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.559 we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we 9 00:00:29.600 --> 00:00:32.359 thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it, 10 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:35.759 if only what not to do. Watch and listen along, 11 00:00:35.799 --> 00:00:38.359 and let's all make like we're doing something important for 12 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.719 our families. Each Wednesday we bring you our thoughts on 13 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:45.359 a newer entertainment property, and for this week of January twentieth, 14 00:00:45.399 --> 00:00:51.000 we're discussing the final episode Tears, of the second season 15 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:56.320 of Shrinking. It was called the Last Thanksgiving, Yes a 16 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.039 rather ominous title. 17 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.799 It was. Before we get into this, I want to 18 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.560 talk about the ending. Okay, we talk about the beginning, 19 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.480 but even before we talk about the ending, I want 20 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:11.879 to flashback to last week when we were talking about 21 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:14.640 screens and how you said you're just not going to 22 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:16.359 take the screens away from the kids, just not going 23 00:01:16.439 --> 00:01:20.079 to do it. Taking away screens almost cost a man 24 00:01:20.200 --> 00:01:24.159 his life in this episode. This is what happens. You 25 00:01:24.200 --> 00:01:26.359 take the phones in a box, somebody makes a cry 26 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:30.799 for help. It doesn't get hurt, does but he potentially 27 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:34.480 did not get hurt. So let everybody keep their phones. 28 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:36.719 You never know. Yeah, most of the time they're just 29 00:01:36.760 --> 00:01:39.560 going to be checking their social media, but you never know, Yeah, 30 00:01:40.120 --> 00:01:44.920 somebody might be collnfidence. Do you want that on your conscience? Gosh, 31 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:46.959 if things had gone the way it looked like they 32 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.040 were going to go, yeah, so much on the conscience. 33 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:55.120 But last year, I think we were united in thinking 34 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:58.719 that the way they ended the first season was awful, 35 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:02.959 and they everybody was all happy. They were at Brian 36 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.280 and Charlie's wedding. This horrible year was over. They had 37 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:09.520 more or less got themselves together. Broken relationships had been healed. 38 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:13.919 Everybody was great, and then Grace pushed her husband off 39 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.120 the cliff, leaving us with the fear between the two 40 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.199 seasons that it was the next season was going to 41 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:23.680 be all about the repercussions of that legal professional personal 42 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.400 It was just going to throw everything back into disarray 43 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.680 and cause a whole new world of hurt and I 44 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:32.599 hated it. Yeah, so we come to the second season 45 00:02:32.680 --> 00:02:36.039 and really, that whole plot line got kind of a eh, 46 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:39.719 never mind. Yeah, there was just minimal. I mean, Grace 47 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:41.360 was in jail for a short while, but then the 48 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:46.039 charges were dropped. There were no professional reprecations, repercussions whatsoever, 49 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.280 which there would have been. There were no legal repercussions, 50 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.159 which there should have been. So it was sort of 51 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:56.840 like a huh huh, And Okay, that's fine. I was happy, excellent, excellent. 52 00:02:56.919 --> 00:02:59.479 Let's just wipe that all away. Let's forget it ever happened. 53 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.400 Let's move. So we get to the last episode of 54 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:06.080 this and there's an other Thanksgiving party and everybody's all happy, 55 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:10.120 and then we see Louis's I guess boss at the 56 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:14.400 coffeehouse disinvite him to Friendsgiving because somebody amongst his friends 57 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:21.080 knows that he knows what happened, which maybe we'll put 58 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:26.039 that away to discuss later, huh. But an he sends 59 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.599 a note to he goes to the train station. He 60 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:30.759 sends a note to Alice, but her phone is in 61 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:35.639 a basket because Gabby has collected everybody's phones, and you know, 62 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.319 they keep intercutting between the happy people at the party, 63 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.599 just like the happy people at the wedding and Louis 64 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:43.879 sitting there at the train station and getting up and 65 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:47.960 standing right at the very edge of the track, and 66 00:03:48.319 --> 00:03:51.039 the whole time. I watched this on Christmas morning, Christmas 67 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.879 Eve morning when it dropped, sitting in the time share 68 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.879 we were out on vacation, looking at my phone screen 69 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:02.639 and yelling Bill Lawrence, don't you because they just I 70 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.159 could totally see them doing that. It would be so mean, 71 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.560 but it really really, I mean his toes were right 72 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.599 at the edge of the track there. I mean, it 73 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.680 was just and then you hear hey man and turn 74 00:04:16.720 --> 00:04:19.920 around and Jimmy is there, and the scene that follows 75 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.439 just made me cry. It was lovely and may be 76 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:27.680 worth all the anger, but still, thank you, thank you 77 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:30.560 for doing that. Again. I appreciate it. I like to 78 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:34.319 look forward to this show instead of dreading it because, 79 00:04:34.439 --> 00:04:36.959 oh my gosh, even it ended the way it looked 80 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.120 like it was going to end, there goes Jimmy and 81 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.839 Alice's relationship. Alice is gonna blame herself, Gabby's gonna blame herself. 82 00:04:43.800 --> 00:04:46.319 Everything is just gonna be trash again. 83 00:04:46.439 --> 00:04:46.759 Yeah. 84 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:48.879 Plus which I like bred Goldstein quite a bit. I 85 00:04:48.879 --> 00:04:51.600 would like him to his character to continue on the 86 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:57.399 show in whatever capacity he is able. Right, So whew? 87 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:01.639 That felt like Yeah, I mean I guess the joy, 88 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:05.240 you know, the happiness of that ending, of the two 89 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:09.079 of them finally talking and Jimmy realizing that this is 90 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:09.560 really what. 91 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.800 He needs to do. Yeah, I mean, it's just. 92 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:13.759 Made so much more by the fact that it's not 93 00:05:15.040 --> 00:05:18.639 what it could have been. Right, We're just like, oh, great, great, sure, 94 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.519 why do you know that how he plays that game 95 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.759 with the person across the track? Hi, Alice told you 96 00:05:22.800 --> 00:05:23.759 it's fine. I don't care. 97 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.319 I don't care. I don't care. 98 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:34.040 What sort of true crime people do Your bosses are 99 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.279 your boss's friends that they know just by your first 100 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:42.199 name that you're that guy. Never mind, we don't care, right, 101 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.120 So yay? Love the ending? 102 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.800 Yeah, I mean I did find I thought it was 103 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:53.360 a little it was a little contrived, right to get 104 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.199 don't care, to get Jimmy to that point and to 105 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:03.439 get Lewis to that point. Yes, But like you, I 106 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:08.240 was you know, just going no no, no, no, no, no, 107 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:12.519 no no, you could just see. 108 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:14.759 Where it was going the moment he sends Alice a 109 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:16.720 text and it rings in the basket. 110 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:22.680 Oh no, Yeah. 111 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:23.680 Many people I read on social media were angry that 112 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:25.720 he would put that kind of pressure on a child 113 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.800 that did he really have nobody else? I mean, he 114 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.639 could have texted Brian theoretically, who also wouldn't have got it. 115 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.720 And actually Jimmy would never have seen it, because I 116 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:39.120 guess Alice must have looked at her phone and shown him. 117 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:44.000 But yeah, I guess. But I just really feel like 118 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.680 he had nobody else and he was trying to reach out, 119 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.240 which is a good thing, which is what we want 120 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:53.000 people to do on this show. I think Paul said, 121 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.360 we can get through anything if we have people to 122 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.920 lean on, which is the theme of the show and 123 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:03.959 also the theme of this little bit that Lewis hasn't 124 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:07.360 had anybody to lean on, and Jimmy really hasn't allowed 125 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:10.959 himself to lean So I think it was kind of 126 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.120 nice that they And now whether he's just going to 127 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.879 be sucked right into the friend group next year, it 128 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:17.720 is a little weird. 129 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:19.560 That seems like a lot. 130 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.800 But also Bill Laurence said that Brett Goldstein is a 131 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.079 busy guy, so it's unclear how much he will be 132 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:29.199 able to be in, but you know they'll they'll make 133 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:33.439 it work whatever they do. Is Derek to back now 134 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.160 or was he just doing you know, a Thanksgiving blessing 135 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:44.360 by coming by Gabby's and bringing making everything lovely? Yes, 136 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.240 that guy's got great timing, not everything else. 137 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:49.720 He's so handsome. 138 00:07:49.839 --> 00:07:52.759 Terry also he is you know who else is hot? 139 00:07:53.079 --> 00:07:56.959 Julie Julie is. We've heard them too, Wendy Malick. I'm 140 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.600 so happy for you. You must really enjoy this. That's 141 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:07.680 great and totally true. Baby, Yeah, kidnapping him in and out? 142 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:11.079 So cute. 143 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:12.639 They're so cute. 144 00:08:12.879 --> 00:08:15.439 Of course they all have to be together for Thanksgiving. 145 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.279 This is a sitcom. 146 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.040 Come on now, be a little mad to be missing 147 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.000 the in and out myself. I haven't had that for 148 00:08:22.040 --> 00:08:22.519 so long. 149 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.439 You can go to in and out any other day. 150 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.399 Yes, that's true. They can go on the way home. 151 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:28.759 Yes. 152 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.480 So what do we think from a parenting point of 153 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:39.639 view about lisbeing the nanny part time nanny because her 154 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:42.240 superpower is being a mom and it's her purpose as 155 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:44.480 being a mom. Do we feel like that's condescending and 156 00:08:44.559 --> 00:08:47.679 kind of gross or do we feel like, well, she 157 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.559 did tell them from the very beginning, you better get 158 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.840 this baby for me, and she did, like, you know, 159 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:57.679 adopt Alice very readily. And also when there was a 160 00:08:57.679 --> 00:08:59.720 baby in the break room, she grabbed that baby and 161 00:08:59.879 --> 00:09:05.159 was was momming that baby up. So it seems like 162 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.879 she's sort of allowed for that definition of herself as well. 163 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:13.200 Yeah. Yeah, I mean if it was like, well, Liz 164 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:16.919 is a woman, so she can be the nanny, that 165 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.360 would be different, right than. 166 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.600 From because Liz is Liz. 167 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:27.879 Yes, I'm sure the other nanny will not enjoy having 168 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:30.960 Liz be in charge of her and that will not 169 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:31.919 last very long. 170 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.519 Yeah, although the other nanny was smart enough to talk 171 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:37.200 directly to her instead of to the guys. Yes, so 172 00:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.840 maybe she gets it right. But I you know, I 173 00:09:41.840 --> 00:09:45.240 don't think we've had the most glowing portrayal of Liz's 174 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.399 sons in this They all seem to be kind of 175 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:57.399 dumb and jerky. So if yes said the smart one. 176 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.600 Yeah, I mean I think dumb is it is not 177 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.120 as bad as jerky, right, And they're not true really jerky, 178 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:04.879 They're just the. 179 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:06.840 Older brothers are being jerky to the younger brothers. 180 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.679 Well, that's true, but that's and it's like. 181 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:17.120 Yeah, you know, they're just not not necessarily stuff for 182 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:22.720 Liz to put on her resume. Look, I parented these 183 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:23.759 three young men. 184 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.240 And look how great they are. 185 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:29.120 Take off that gap. 186 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:36.360 But yeah, but I mean how long has I mean, 187 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:39.440 Charlie definitely hasn't really known live very long and and 188 00:10:39.600 --> 00:10:42.799 know the boys very well. And I don't know about Brian. 189 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.519 You know, they're basically going. 190 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:48.639 They knew, they do know that Liz is kind of 191 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.080 a pain in the bleep, right and is going to 192 00:10:51.159 --> 00:10:56.159 control everything in their lives now. But oh well. 193 00:10:57.919 --> 00:11:00.879 They're willing at this point. They don't know what they're 194 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:01.960 getting into. 195 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.080 Yeah, or if they do, they don't care. They're so 196 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:10.279 frightened that they don't care. Overwhelmed, right, because they would 197 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.480 have taken any one of those other nannies, which looked 198 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.519 it's a spectacularly unpromised parade of nanny's. 199 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:23.039 As always on a TV show. That's right. I mean 200 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:26.759 I never had a nanny because I did not want 201 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:28.639 to manage a nanny. 202 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.480 Yes, I think that's a completely reasonable. 203 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.759 I did not want to be the boss. I didn't 204 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:43.120 want to hire and fire people, I no daycare center, please, like, 205 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.960 I will take your germs in exchange for the fact 206 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.480 that there is someone in charge who isn't me. 207 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.080 Yeah yeah, oh my. 208 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.519 I mean I was. We had what I grew up having, 209 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.799 basically nanny's. I mean they were never called nanny's because 210 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:08.279 I don't think we heard of that term, but until 211 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.879 I was in high school because I had younger siblings 212 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:15.440 and we needed someone to drive us all around. But 213 00:12:15.679 --> 00:12:18.200 I knew when my kid was little, I was like, 214 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:19.919 I can't, I can't. 215 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:25.039 We had for a while I was working like three 216 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.759 days a week in the city and my husband had 217 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.240 days off during the week, and we wound up needing 218 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.559 somebody to meet the school bus because it was special eds, 219 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:35.879 so they dropped off at the house. We need somebody 220 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:37.919 home to meet the school bus and be there for 221 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:40.879 like an hour or two maybe one day a week. Right, 222 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:43.639 So we did have like a lady from church who 223 00:12:43.679 --> 00:12:45.799 did that for us and was very nice, and I 224 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:49.600 wish that I remembered her name or anything. But then 225 00:12:49.639 --> 00:12:52.080 at some point I stopped working and I started working 226 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.559 at home, and then we never needed anybody, right, but 227 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:59.120 I stopped working in that office, so but it was 228 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.320 just the way our schedules worked. Somebody was home almost 229 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.240 all the time. Except it's like one. There's always like one. 230 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.679 A little over make it work right. 231 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.759 So but it wasn't. It didn't feel like a nanny. 232 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.000 It felt like a lady who came to our house 233 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.960 one day a week and sat with the kids for 234 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:20.879 two hours scaling. Soho, I guess we must have given 235 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.600 her a key, so we trusted her that much. 236 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.639 But you just sit on the stoop with the children. 237 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:32.919 If it's winter, you can hear's a blanket. 238 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.000 You can maybe go around back. There's a there's a 239 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:36.919 table out there. 240 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:42.879 We have a pool, you can go ice skating. 241 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.159 I didn't even like to have, you know, an evening babysitters, 242 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:53.399 just for the same reason, like even you know, neighborhood teens. 243 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:57.360 I would just be like, I don't need this is 244 00:13:57.399 --> 00:14:01.320 too too hard and I'm too lazy. 245 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:05.000 Yeah. I don't think we ever like did the teenage 246 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.120 babysitter thing either. I think my husband's parents were in town. Yeah, 247 00:14:09.399 --> 00:14:11.480 and we also had friends who were from out of 248 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:13.799 town but would come and sit with them if there 249 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.639 was a reason, right, So between that, I think we 250 00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:18.279 just did because they would have been a little bit 251 00:14:18.279 --> 00:14:20.399 of a bit of a hand my son in particular, 252 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.039 we'd been a little bit of a handful for a 253 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.399 teenage nanny. So it was very fortunate that we had 254 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:29.039 people nearby, you know, and at one point my mother 255 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.200 in law was living downstairs, so then we never even 256 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:33.519 had to have somebody come over wed just you know. 257 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:36.639 So C's in charge. 258 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:41.080 You know, Liz would would do a great job, but 259 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:42.879 she would tell you She's not just going to tell 260 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:43.679 bat nanny what to do. 261 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:49.360 The guys, although I feel like they might they might 262 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:52.480 welcome that because they feel pretty, they might out of 263 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.559 their depth, so they. 264 00:14:54.600 --> 00:15:01.039 This whole thing seems possibly poorly thought out. I feel 265 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.399 like this all happened very quickly for them and that 266 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:04.639 maybe is not for the best. 267 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.399 Yeah, that's television for you've been. 268 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:09.159 Married one season. 269 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:16.039 Yeah, well we need we need some big moments for 270 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:16.720 season three. 271 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:22.600 So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well we could have been been 272 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:29.440 celebrating another new child situation had summer not I guess 273 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:32.519 procured her item at the drug store with Jimmy's assistant, right, 274 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:37.000 how awkward was that? Very sweet that she is the 275 00:15:37.039 --> 00:15:38.840 one he was the one she would call to help right, 276 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.080 and that it kind of got him off the hook 277 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:48.919 with Alice. But wow, was that awkward? Yea, the old 278 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.399 drug store guy going, I just want this to be right, 279 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.279 you want this, Let's just let's just never mind. 280 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:58.000 I see what's happening here, and I'm just gonna walk 281 00:15:58.039 --> 00:15:58.840 away slowly. 282 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:02.279 Sweet. I get that you like calling people pimp in 283 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:03.000 this situation. 284 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:04.000 Now is not the time. 285 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:10.200 Now, it's not the time. Oh something so much? Did 286 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.080 you just catch a moment where there was in that 287 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.279 little montage at the en where everybody was happy before 288 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.759 Lewis almost jumped in front of the train, there was 289 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.600 Liz and Alice were dancing, and Connor was looking at 290 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.240 them and laughing, and Summer was looking at him like 291 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.960 do I need to do another versa cheeter bitch for you? 292 00:16:30.519 --> 00:16:33.360 I wondered if that was if that was just something 293 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:37.080 I was reading into it, or if it was a 294 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:38.320 bookmark for next season. 295 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:42.720 Yeah. Interesting, I didn't catch that, But that doesn't mean 296 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:44.759 it's it's not I. 297 00:16:44.639 --> 00:16:46.320 Mean, she wasn't looking angry. She was just kind of 298 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:47.360 looking at him like. 299 00:16:47.120 --> 00:16:50.840 Like smiling this away exactly. 300 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.519 I mean, but it's his mother and his friend. He 301 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:59.120 can smile at them dancing. I guess maybe he should 302 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.480 be smiling it his girlfriend would be a good idea. 303 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:05.359 And did you ever get apologies for his brothers who 304 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:06.599 thought he made summer up? 305 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:13.880 I doubt it. I don't have that much faith in 306 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:14.440 those two. 307 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.200 Last week I was asking whether you ever have that 308 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:23.839 many women over as Julie had in Paul's Fortress of Solitary. 309 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.319 This week, some things that occurred to me is, have 310 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.079 you ever bounced boobs with your friend? 311 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:35.119 Done? Like? 312 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:40.519 This show just enjoys making up human behavior that does 313 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:44.160 not exist in the wild. And that's fine, it's funny, 314 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:52.079 it's amusing, but really really, yeah, that's the secret small ones. 315 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:54.000 So I don't do too much along those lines. 316 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:55.920 Yeah, same heres. 317 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.279 People are weird. But I was happy to see the 318 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:06.359 lady from the art gallery back. I can see her. 319 00:18:06.480 --> 00:18:08.920 Oh yeah, that's around the edges of this thing. 320 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.240 Gabby's ex'es X right. 321 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:17.119 X yes, yeap. Bonding through mutual xs. That's the thing 322 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:21.839 that happens. It's weirdly. The guy I dated in high 323 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:25.599 school wound up dating somebody who became a friend of 324 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:29.079 mine after they dated, and we're like just talking and 325 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:34.440 all of a sudden it develops who we both dated weird, 326 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.119 so we didn't exactly bond over it, but it strengthened 327 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:38.480 door balls. 328 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:43.359 It came up later. Yeah, well someone in my book 329 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:48.599 club is in there because she briefly dated the ex 330 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:52.599 husband of someone else in the book club and she 331 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:58.799 was like, I need friends. Like I don't know exactly how, 332 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:02.279 like what the timing of it was, but but yeah, 333 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.039 that's how she got connected to our book club. And 334 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.279 it's just like shrinking and she's she's married to someone else, 335 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:13.119 the ex husband's married to someone else that you know, 336 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:16.359 it's every it's all far in the past at this point. 337 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:21.000 But yeah, it was. I was like, you know, that's 338 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.359 kind of that's brave, like like I need to meet people. 339 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.720 I want to meet some women. And she actually somehow 340 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:34.480 reached out to our friend who's in the book club 341 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.400 and good for her. 342 00:19:37.279 --> 00:19:39.599 Wow. Wow, it sounds like a sitcom. 343 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:43.240 Yeah, yeah, that's great, the club sitcom. There you go. 344 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:49.079 Well, few other parenting things I wrote down in this. 345 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.759 This was in addition to having the beg ending to 346 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:53.160 talk about how a lot of parenting. 347 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.359 Yes, it did. 348 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.799 The scene where he goes to Gabby's house and Alice 349 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:02.079 knows he's there, but doesn't want him to know. She 350 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.240 doesn't want to come down and talk to her, but 351 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:07.799 she does yell out to him, so he knows she's 352 00:20:07.839 --> 00:20:12.400 there and ignoring him. That's some that's some passive aggressive 353 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.960 stuff going on there and sounds familiar a teen, yes, 354 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:21.400 but also very sweet that Summer says to him, you 355 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.079 really give a bleep, don't you? So she can she 356 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:27.839 can see that he cares about her friend. So maybe 357 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:29.759 she just made up that whole thing at the drug store. 358 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:36.359 Just give him something to do that will get Alice 359 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:39.200 say what a good friend? She is a front to everybody. 360 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:48.240 And Sean had that little talk with Alice. Yeah, was 361 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.319 saying that Paul said to him, if you only love 362 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.480 someone hoping they'll change one day, that's not love, and 363 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:59.119 that his dad has earned that from him, even if 364 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.759 he says I love you by thinker right. 365 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:05.680 Yeah, Sean was like the only person who wasn't at 366 00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:10.279 the big Thanksgiving, Yeah, and it was fitting that he was. 367 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.200 It was at home with his own family, so it's 368 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:14.000 very nice. 369 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:18.240 A little odd that everybody was doing the thank you thing, but. 370 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.759 Well, I just feel like that's just something that happens, 371 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.480 had a lot of Thanksgivings. 372 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:27.559 It is, it is and nicely done that it started 373 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:31.440 with him and then went back to the party. The 374 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.400 scene where Paul and his friend are in the coffee 375 00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:38.160 shop and Jimmy comes in and everybody wants a piece 376 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:42.680 of his I do that to my kids if they 377 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:46.200 get a dessert, I have to have I actually I. 378 00:21:47.440 --> 00:21:48.480 Just a little taste. 379 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:51.640 Yeah. Yeah, my son walks around the box of crackers. 380 00:21:51.640 --> 00:21:54.960 Mom tas it's very generous. He gives me more crackers 381 00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:57.119 than I would have taken. It's not very well for me, 382 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:00.400 but relate to them. And a little weird that that 383 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:02.559 guy wound up at the Thanksgiving dinner. But I guess 384 00:22:02.640 --> 00:22:06.000 Julie told Gabby to invite him, but only if they 385 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:07.960 were going well. 386 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.960 I guess Julie knew she was. She was gonna go, 387 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.640 you know, drag Paul there that. 388 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.759 The conversation between Jimmy and Alice, when Jimmy finally talked 389 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:21.440 to her, and then she comes out with this very 390 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:23.039 sweet thing that she says to him that could let 391 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:25.079 him off the hook, but you have to do it anyway. 392 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:27.680 And then he says, you are who you are. This 393 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.079 amazing woman in spite of me. 394 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:32.079 Sniff sniff, and then. 395 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:33.960 She remembers all the good things. That was very nice, 396 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:35.799 very I mean, of course that's the way it went 397 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:43.640 and a little a little neat, but still, you know, 398 00:22:44.599 --> 00:22:48.680 brought it here to my mothering aunt. Yes, I try 399 00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:53.279 to take, you know, responsibility for all the bad things 400 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:55.920 that have happened like that. And my kids don't want 401 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:02.039