Speaker 1: Well here we are back here. Let me get back
Speaker 1: over to Twitter. Let's bring up our co host. Welcome everyone,
Speaker 1: last ever my cast episode UFL Championship Reactions. John just
Speaker 1: discovered like five, I'm like, John, that was the name
Speaker 1: of the episode. What do you meet? John's like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is the end anyway, John, Welcome, How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great. I don't believe it, but I'm doing well.
Speaker 2: It was interesting championship game. Great way to wrap it up.
Speaker 2: I wish more people had tuned in to watch it.
Speaker 1: We'll do all that to that. Yeah, so we have
Speaker 1: Mike Mitchell's TV ratings, we have attendance stuff, we have
Speaker 1: the championship reactions, and then we'll say goodbye. I already
Speaker 1: put out you know, we're not doing the CFL and
Speaker 1: then it feels like it's time. It's twenty percent down
Speaker 1: UFL Championship ratings year over year. We'll get to it later.
Speaker 1: We'll get to all of that. Welcome everyone, and I
Speaker 1: will note we might have a what did I call
Speaker 1: it a pressure washer coming to clean the deck here?
Speaker 1: What do we want to go out?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Back, so I couldn't even be on the deck. So
Speaker 1: really just a perfect way to kind of end all
Speaker 1: of this today. But anyway, welcome. Make sure I can
Speaker 1: subscribe to John's channel. You know, I might pop up
Speaker 1: back up on there every once in a while, or
Speaker 1: PATS channel. I know Anthony Miller is working on CFL
Speaker 1: stuff as well. So yeah, we'll still you know, propagate
Speaker 1: everything and I'll still be your But I wanted to
Speaker 1: have this. I just didn't want there to be this
Speaker 1: lingering question forever of like when is like when am
Speaker 1: I coming back? So John, it was an exciting the weekend,
Speaker 1: I guess football we're here Tuesday, we'll do all that
Speaker 1: and then we'll do kind of the year end stuff.
Speaker 1: But I was hosting my mother's seventieth birthday party. Many
Speaker 1: reasons why this is podcast. But I watched the game
Speaker 1: on Monday. I texted you was it? You know, it
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a slog in the rewatch
Speaker 1: just because we kind of know the outcome. What was
Speaker 1: your reactions watching the game live because you had a
Speaker 1: different opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was I thought it was entertaining.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you kind of look at the final
Speaker 2: score and you're you know, and and maybe if you
Speaker 2: kind of just rewatch some of the highlights or or
Speaker 2: just maybe a cut and you know cut down. I
Speaker 2: know UFL is really good about putting up longer form highlights.
Speaker 2: I thought it was completely entertaining. Now about five minutes left,
Speaker 2: I did, I was, I was starting to nod off
Speaker 2: a little bit, but I thought it was I really
Speaker 2: really thought it was an entertaining game, and it was
Speaker 2: a great way for the UFL to kind of wrap
Speaker 2: up the season. Those were two incredible quarterbacks, Jordan Tom
Speaker 2: who had the game of his absolute life and then
Speaker 2: Bryce Perkins. You know, it kind of got overshadowed because
Speaker 2: like every time, I think for the first ten possessions,
Speaker 2: why DC scored so but what Bryce Perkins did you
Speaker 2: know in that game also might have got an overlooked
Speaker 2: but he had really had like a he had an
Speaker 2: incredible game too. So they even said after after the game,
Speaker 2: like his teammates and Shannon Harris, the coach felt like
Speaker 2: Jordan Tom who should have been the Offensive Player of
Speaker 2: the Year and the MVP, but he did win the
Speaker 2: MVP of the championship, so that that did go a
Speaker 2: long way.
Speaker 1: He was just bizarre to me that, like the Panthers
Speaker 1: just seemingly kind of forgot to play defense or just
Speaker 1: like you said, it was every time you know, Tamu
Speaker 1: was throwing it down. Well, did you just kind of
Speaker 1: not the Michigan team maybe that we were used to
Speaker 1: or what was your thoughts on just kind of that.
Speaker 1: It really felt like they kind of fell apart here.
Speaker 1: I know they some points at the end, but you know,
Speaker 1: certainly not a good show.
Speaker 2: Well they I think they got punched in the mouth.
Speaker 2: And it's you know, they old Mike Tyson quote about
Speaker 2: everybody has a plan to they get punched in the mouth,
Speaker 2: and but that's what Jordan Tamu and that offense did.
Speaker 2: I think Fred Kayes had an absolutely incredible game plan
Speaker 2: for the Michigan Panthers because it was kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: not to that extent, but it was kind of the
Speaker 2: opposite last time these two played. And so there were
Speaker 2: a couple of things I thought that d C wanted
Speaker 2: to prove. And when they they just got hot and
Speaker 2: they and they never cooled off. And you don't see
Speaker 2: that a lot in football. A lot of times you'll see,
Speaker 2: you know, a team come out pretty strong and they're
Speaker 2: going to hit a slog now and then d C
Speaker 2: never felt like they did, and they all and and
Speaker 2: Michigan just could not counter punch with them Sunday night.
Speaker 1: In terms of the Tayomu of it, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: off season a long time and then we talked to
Speaker 1: pres and all that. I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: feel like Taomu is kind of a little bit longer
Speaker 1: in the tooth as well. Here Similarly, in the Mark
Speaker 1: has like, do you feel like he I just like,
Speaker 1: what is left.
Speaker 2: For him here?
Speaker 1: You know he's he was right the game MVP won.
Speaker 1: I don't know what else is left for Tamla at
Speaker 1: this point.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I mean, when you have a
Speaker 2: game like that, it would be hard for me to
Speaker 2: think that he's just gonna stop playing, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot. It felt like that there's still a
Speaker 2: lot left in that tank that you know, that wasn't
Speaker 2: you know, some slappy team they were playing. They were
Speaker 2: playing a really really good Michigan team in the championship
Speaker 2: game of the UFL. You know, I don't know that
Speaker 2: he gets you know, I would think he would get
Speaker 2: another look in the NFL. But you're right, Age might
Speaker 2: play a factor in that. But we're you know, assuming
Speaker 2: that you know, things line up for the UFL in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I would just be shocked if he
Speaker 2: just if he didn't get an NFL look and he
Speaker 2: didn't catch on, you know, whether it's on an active
Speaker 2: roster or a practice squad, that he would just quit
Speaker 2: because it just feels like that he's got a lot,
Speaker 2: He's got a lot left to me, at least on
Speaker 2: this level.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's twenty seven. I mean that's I just you know,
Speaker 1: and you kind of go to the UFL fan zone
Speaker 1: said twice, I was, well, of course twenty.
Speaker 2: Seven on that.
Speaker 1: I still getting wrong here last day, but like it
Speaker 1: feels like he I just feels like he's he's I
Speaker 1: don't know, just have kind of gone through it. Andrew
Speaker 1: here says you a masterclass and play my guys. It
Speaker 1: wasn't Cassious or whatever. What was the Fred Cassius or whatever?
Speaker 1: The Brandon mad On the I could get that. What
Speaker 1: is what do you this championship game right lopsided by
Speaker 1: all accounts, score looks a little whatever. I was there
Speaker 1: last year, blowout, right, we all remember, I mean it
Speaker 1: was it was it wasn't a game, yeah, And I
Speaker 1: mean really I'm trying to remember, like what was it
Speaker 1: the Star Stallions, like that was a good one back,
Speaker 1: like the Cookiss leg break. I'm just trying to think of,
Speaker 1: like what is it about these championship games that and
Speaker 1: obviously you know there's only been a couple of it
Speaker 1: feels like we have a little bit more lopside here,
Speaker 1: like were these two the best two teams? And why
Speaker 1: do you think that there was such lopside in this
Speaker 1: year in the.
Speaker 2: I mean that happens to the super Bowl. I mean
Speaker 2: we've seen it more more often than not that you know,
Speaker 2: the super Bowl ends up being a complete blowout. So no,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just there are a lot of I
Speaker 2: think there are a lot of factors in there. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know, who is the who's the better play caller,
Speaker 2: who gets hot, stays hot, who's got you know, who's
Speaker 2: who's got the uh, who's got the right game plan?
Speaker 2: But also this might have been for a lot of
Speaker 2: these players the first time on a stage like this,
Speaker 2: like in a championship game. Now granted it wasn't the
Speaker 2: super Bowl. It certainly wasn't a super Bowl crowd there
Speaker 2: or a super Bowl TV audience, but that none of
Speaker 2: that really matters. It's like a lot of people who
Speaker 2: are asking these NBA players about, you know, what do
Speaker 2: you think about like the TV ratings being down? And
Speaker 2: you know, I think it was like Halliburton, there were
Speaker 2: some other players saying, well, we're we're playing in the finals.
Speaker 2: We don't care about TV ratings because this is their sport.
Speaker 2: So to me, I just think that this might have
Speaker 2: been I'm not saying that Bryce Perkins or you know,
Speaker 2: some of that didn't live up to it. But you know,
Speaker 2: you play a little differently when you're in a championship game.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that's better and sometimes that's worse.
Speaker 1: They're talking here at Commander's back. I assumed for a talent,
Speaker 1: but well, you know they got married other right, we
Speaker 1: got them one more because Commander's my team. We got
Speaker 1: married of that, I would I mean, guys, love Marcus
Speaker 1: right now and I'm glad that we got him back
Speaker 1: on there, but he's not going to be a backup forever.
Speaker 1: I think that would be cool. Do we want to
Speaker 1: do ratings and kind of move that into this? Do
Speaker 1: you want to any more general thoughts about the game
Speaker 1: before we get into that.
Speaker 2: I just again, I thought like if you if a
Speaker 2: lot of people might just have seen the score, they
Speaker 2: would have thought, well, that wasn't very interesting, or boy,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of points score, but it was
Speaker 2: still wasn't a close game. I just really thought it
Speaker 2: was entertaining to me from beginning to end. And you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a dog in the fight, even though
Speaker 2: I did. I mean, I had a panther shirt ready
Speaker 2: to go too, but I just I did. I thought
Speaker 2: it was a really interesting game and it showed like
Speaker 2: high how high level that a lot of these players
Speaker 2: can play and have played this season.
Speaker 1: I think it was Sunday and I finally texted you
Speaker 1: because again we had had people over on Saturday. Kind
Speaker 1: of right during the game, I thought, well, like so
Speaker 1: much for that Tom Brady halftime announcement and expansion the
Speaker 1: new markets. And I did not see the halftime show.
Speaker 1: I was not included in the recaps that I watched.
Speaker 1: I heard it did not feel very high budget was
Speaker 1: with the vibes that I got. I saw pictures from
Speaker 1: the stadium, like do we see any of that? Or
Speaker 1: I guess how is your thoughts on the overall TV
Speaker 1: presentation Joe Testaturus style here?
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean like, those guys did a great job,
Speaker 2: but yeah, the halftime show probably would have been better off.
Speaker 2: It looked like somebody was televising a free concert at
Speaker 2: the State Fair. I mean it was you know, three
Speaker 2: I think it was three guys. They were good. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna take that away from them. I just
Speaker 2: it looked low budget and it looked amateurish. And again
Speaker 2: we've talked about how this league is a TV product
Speaker 2: and they have got to embrace some of this with
Speaker 2: like with optics, if you're putting on a TV show,
Speaker 2: you got to make it look good, and that just
Speaker 2: it did. It didn't look good. It was there was
Speaker 2: no special lighting or anything. It was just those guys
Speaker 2: out there playing. Again, I thought they were good. You know,
Speaker 2: they got mixed reviews from a lot of people, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that they could have they could have found something maybe
Speaker 2: a little better, some better content to put on at halftime.
Speaker 2: Seemed like that would have been a that would have
Speaker 2: been a great time to tell the story of some
Speaker 2: of these players and you put together some of those
Speaker 2: packages that you know that have those storytelling or you know,
Speaker 2: bring out Tom Brady and and Fred Smith and everybody
Speaker 2: that they're going to buy these teams, but none of
Speaker 2: that happened. We got a I don't the black Moods, that's.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, well more like the bad moods here coming
Speaker 1: out of the well. No, but I mean I agree
Speaker 1: with you in terms of either you know, tell this
Speaker 1: and again like I I didn't watch the whole package
Speaker 1: day of there and it my enternet. I don't know
Speaker 1: why it keeps them light the one time I'm inside here,
Speaker 1: so hopefully it's fine. I'm just getting there a mess
Speaker 1: just but yeah, like spotlight some of that or you know, pregame,
Speaker 1: you know, tell kind of the story of the season.
Speaker 1: Like not one person in the world except for the
Speaker 1: Black Moods, you know, parents or whatever or watching that.
Speaker 1: So I don't And I don't think they're paying for that, right,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think the Black Moods are like, hey
Speaker 1: we got twenty gram we'll pay, so like you're not
Speaker 1: gaining anything from it. So I and I did see
Speaker 1: the comments, like at least in the CFL this last
Speaker 1: year they had we were there in BC, the Jonas
Speaker 1: Brothers and like, yeah, but you know, and and I
Speaker 1: was at the time like, well, this is the CFL
Speaker 1: this is gonna look and it looks like a million dollars.
Speaker 1: It looks so good, Like even like you said, with
Speaker 1: the UFL dim the lights bring some fans to stand
Speaker 1: in front of them. Do we have it, like, do
Speaker 1: we have a stage? Like can we just a little
Speaker 1: bit of stuff to make it feel like it's more?
Speaker 1: I mean it's brutal for I mean, I don't make
Speaker 1: any fun Like what do you what are you supposed
Speaker 1: to do if you're those guys Like I saw the
Speaker 1: photo like he's standing on a guitar case or something
Speaker 1: to be three feet up. He's got a little Chris
Speaker 1: Daughtry kind of short thing going on. But I just,
Speaker 1: you know, but this whole like it just it killed me.
Speaker 1: The you know, we're the last times, Like yeah, this
Speaker 1: whole halftime and expansion and everything, and then but like, hey,
Speaker 1: we got all our views off it, so I guess
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 2: Well, and you know, there was also the talk, oh,
Speaker 2: the UFL's making this big announcement, be sure to stay tuned.
Speaker 2: You know, earlier in the season when they were in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis and everyone, all of us knew what it was,
Speaker 2: but there were a few of us who were just saying,
Speaker 2: maybe this is it. This is when they're going to
Speaker 2: announce that it's but it was just Danny Garcia announcing
Speaker 2: that it was the UFL Championship was going to be
Speaker 2: played in Saint Louis. That we all knew about that.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, I just you know, again, it's optics
Speaker 2: and you had fourteen thousand people there or fourteen thousand
Speaker 2: tickets sold. It just it's I mean, maybe it's good
Speaker 2: that the ratings were low that a lot of people
Speaker 2: didn't see that, because I don't know that they would
Speaker 2: return if that's what they thought. The championship game should
Speaker 2: have looked like, well.
Speaker 1: Let's yeah, let's talk to that and then you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, deep dive here at the
Speaker 1: game Tuesday, you know, going and all that. But I agree,
Speaker 1: and it was I just it was just really curious
Speaker 1: to me because I knew the outcome. But like you said, well, no,
Speaker 1: it was you know, the game itself was entertaining because
Speaker 1: it felt like every time DC got the ball, they scored.
Speaker 2: But you know, it's just I mean, it was like
Speaker 2: arena football there for a while.
Speaker 1: It was it was it was certainly better than last year.
Speaker 2: With the show.
Speaker 1: I mean like so I would, Yes, I would, absolutely,
Speaker 1: because that was I came down and sat with Andy
Speaker 1: and them at halftime last year. I mean it was
Speaker 1: brutal because I was up in the stands. I'm like,
Speaker 1: uh in the press box, I'm what's the point of
Speaker 1: sitting up here? Lift? But let's get some mic posted
Speaker 1: this today and then Abdul's got a chart here. Of course,
Speaker 1: we have our charts and our attendance, but nine hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty three thousand viewers for the championship game. It
Speaker 1: peaked at one point two from eight to eight fifteen.
Speaker 1: That means it peaked in the first fifteen minutes. Greg
Speaker 1: Parks had tweeted out that last weekend repeat of the Connors,
Speaker 1: and I can pull up the tweet it had a
Speaker 1: million viewers for a similar timeslot. So just to give
Speaker 1: kind of a retrospect for that, we saw the Gordon
Speaker 1: Ramsey Friday Night step before. I think Mike has on here.
Speaker 1: It's a twenty percent, or I'd do a twenty percent,
Speaker 1: I said, yack. I didn't think it was very good,
Speaker 1: but down nineteen percent overall, but the attendance here was
Speaker 1: one point five to nine. You know, so one point
Speaker 1: six to nine eighty three year over year, Like that
Speaker 1: was my reaction. What was your reaction to this, John,
Speaker 1: Because this was not good.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't good. And I went back and like
Speaker 2: looked at some numbers. So the twenty twenty two USFL
Speaker 2: Championship that was on Fox, that was on July third,
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the July fourth weekend got
Speaker 2: one point five million viewers, and then the next year
Speaker 2: it got one point one million. XFL Championship in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three one point four and then we're just talking
Speaker 2: about how you went from one point five to nine
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty three thousand, and that's just you know,
Speaker 2: and then you also look at the over the season,
Speaker 2: it had an average of six hundred and forty five
Speaker 2: thousand viewers, and that was down from eight hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve from the year before. So something has to change here.
Speaker 2: And again, you know, we we heard from Russ Brandon
Speaker 2: and Danny Garcia and Daryl Johnston Friday before the game
Speaker 2: that everything is on the table and they're taking a
Speaker 2: look at some things they and they said, well, we're
Speaker 2: not worried about the ratings. I think Russ Brandon said,
Speaker 2: you know, there are a lot of leagues that would
Speaker 2: give their eye teeth that to have the viewers that
Speaker 2: they had, And that might be true for some, but
Speaker 2: that's just not sustainable. I mean, I don't have any
Speaker 2: question that I shouldn't say this. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of Spring leagues just disappear all overnight. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's going to happen with the UFL. So I think
Speaker 2: it's we've got a twenty twenty six, but you can't
Speaker 2: have numbers like this and have a twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1: It's well, that's like the thing. And so you know,
Speaker 1: I had tweeted just again in the response to the
Speaker 1: Jerry Cardinell that Mark Perry had wrote up, you know,
Speaker 1: the ratings aren't down, you know, or whatever he said.
Speaker 1: I talked and at least, you know, Daryl Johnston was
Speaker 1: a little bit more you know, he feels a little
Speaker 1: bit more honest about it. But like, so, you know,
Speaker 1: my point is we talked all the time TV and attendance,
Speaker 1: and they go, attendant, doesn't matter who cares, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk to the attendants here. So then you go look
Speaker 1: at the ratings and you go you're halfway. You know,
Speaker 1: you did sixty percent of what you did last year,
Speaker 1: fifty five percent of that? Like, so so what does
Speaker 1: matter then? Like that's what I just don't like if
Speaker 1: the attendant sayesn't matter, but then the ratings are down
Speaker 1: fifty I mean that what is the math on that
Speaker 1: one point six and nine eighty three? I mean that's
Speaker 1: a that's a was it forty percent drop?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know it also I think speaks to
Speaker 2: we've talked about this before. I think it also speaks
Speaker 2: to interest in the markets, you know overall, when you
Speaker 2: start to see attendants drop and then you start to
Speaker 2: see you know, and they're there are a bit you
Speaker 2: know large some you know, mid size to larger markets
Speaker 2: that are these home teams and I don't you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure Mike Mitchell can probably break it down who
Speaker 2: he's got, you know, by market by market through Nielsen ratings. Uh,
Speaker 2: but yeah, this is you. You you start to worry
Speaker 2: that interest has waned, and you know, and then when
Speaker 2: you see numbers like that, you you know, you start
Speaker 2: to have those thoughts again, like interests might be waning
Speaker 2: in this overall, not just not just from the casuals
Speaker 2: who might not have caught on, but maybe some people
Speaker 2: who watched it last year and just kind of gave
Speaker 2: up on it this year.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's the problem is now we're getting and
Speaker 1: I have a comment from a sky here and he's
Speaker 1: just asking about, you know, the stallions and all that.
Speaker 2: Do we come back? Do we move?
Speaker 1: It's so now that we've done the championship game, that
Speaker 1: was when you were going to make the announcement. That's
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know, like so spoiler, that
Speaker 1: announcement isn't coming right, So that's not coming. And I
Speaker 1: don't know how you drum interest in year three now
Speaker 1: of this UFL. And I'm not saying that, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: expansion is the answer, but obviously that's the break glass,
Speaker 1: you know, we need. I just don't know a natural
Speaker 1: way to grow interest in this league now going into
Speaker 1: year three if you're gonna have all eight markets back,
Speaker 1: because like we said that, half these markets are ones
Speaker 1: that I would have ever picked anyway to put that
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, from the sounds of what they were,
Speaker 2: you know, at least saying publicly that the trio that
Speaker 2: did the news conference, it sounds like they're going to
Speaker 2: take a pretty conservative approach. But you're right, it's I
Speaker 2: wonder if if you can have a two conservative approach,
Speaker 2: like if you don't signal some kind of growth and
Speaker 2: read you you said this, I think even after last
Speaker 2: season that to signal some growth you need to have
Speaker 2: maybe a couple of new teams. And it just and
Speaker 2: it just it didn't never came to fruition. And you know,
Speaker 2: Russ Brandon said they did put out you know, the
Speaker 2: RFPs and said that they've had some conversations. I'm just
Speaker 2: surprised we haven't heard anything that some kind of news
Speaker 2: hasn't leaked out, or if it has, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. I just
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if location is going to
Speaker 2: be the answer, although I've said before, like the Memphis
Speaker 2: situation doesn't seem sustainable, and you know, Birmingham still getting
Speaker 2: you know when when they need some help with scheduling,
Speaker 2: so they can't use that as an excuse next year.
Speaker 2: Number one. But you know, you can't have those Sunday
Speaker 2: noon games down there. You just can't do that. So
Speaker 2: that I think these again, these are things that it's
Speaker 2: going to they'll use this as a learning process. Now,
Speaker 2: let's see if they act on that and see really
Speaker 2: what comes to fruition and in the off season now
Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty six, well, yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Saw it back It was at the USFLA that season
Speaker 1: two and then we talked about, you know, the hub
Speaker 1: and kind of adding to Memphis thing like I just
Speaker 1: like you said, it's kind of the break glass whatever.
Speaker 1: I saw USF whether they now UFL news, it was
Speaker 1: the USFL. I mean, everyone hates me, but they were
Speaker 1: all it was like the USFL news account and was
Speaker 1: UFL news, but they were posting we had like a
Speaker 1: a the out or Oklahoma whatever. And then they're you know,
Speaker 1: another trademark, right, like another trademark was filed, and of
Speaker 1: course and everyone runs and all this stuff, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like not how you league build of like
Speaker 1: well we were able to get this old trademark or
Speaker 1: like well this one we bought this one from Brian Woods,
Speaker 1: so we should put a team Like that's just not
Speaker 1: I just this is all backwards, just how like how
Speaker 1: you would ever go about doing any of this or
Speaker 1: even like putting the request out like well if you'd
Speaker 1: like to come to our cities, like, you know, we're
Speaker 1: open to it. Like I don't know. I watched fourteen
Speaker 1: thousand people go into Saint Louis, Like why would I
Speaker 1: for the championship game? Like why would I want that?
Speaker 1: And we'll do ratings in a second, but I just
Speaker 1: I to me, like, as I've said before, you kind
Speaker 1: of lose all that momentum. I have one more comment
Speaker 1: about the trio here, but go for it, and then
Speaker 1: I'll make that No.
Speaker 2: I you're right, and you've brought up this point before
Speaker 2: and we've talked about it. If you want to sell
Speaker 2: these franchises, keep it in the market. You have what's
Speaker 2: your product? Now? We saw some absolutely great gameplay on
Speaker 2: the field, especially after Week three. It seemed like, you know,
Speaker 2: that was when offenses are catching up to defenses. Everything
Speaker 2: was going great, you know, play wise, it wasn't going
Speaker 2: great attendance wise. So you can have you know, and
Speaker 2: I've used this this before talking to people. It's like
Speaker 2: you can have the best food you know and have
Speaker 2: the best restaurant, but if nobody's coming in to sample it,
Speaker 2: you're not gonna make any sales and you don't stay
Speaker 2: in business. So the gameplay has been good. It's just
Speaker 2: a matter of they've got to figure out a way.
Speaker 2: And Darryl Johnson has said as much. In places like
Speaker 2: Birmingham and places like Memphis, what is the disconnect here? Now?
Speaker 2: I know Memphis struggled, there's no question, and that you
Speaker 2: know a lot of people aren't going to show up
Speaker 2: to watch a bad team. But there are a lot
Speaker 2: of things that they can fix. Ticket prices is won
Speaker 2: They keep saying it's affordable, it's affordable, but ticket prices
Speaker 2: went up in a lot of places. They started doing
Speaker 2: specials later on, but that's also what restaurants do. Before
Speaker 2: they go out of business, and you start doing two
Speaker 2: for one specials, you know that they they're in trouble.
Speaker 2: So there are some things that they've got to look at.
Speaker 2: I think that the product is good, but there's got
Speaker 2: a way to make it better and make it connect
Speaker 2: not just to the communities, but also you know, to
Speaker 2: the casual fans as well.
Speaker 1: They just the comment I wanted to have was about
Speaker 1: the trio just kind of the media day in general,
Speaker 1: and if you want to share any thoughts or not,
Speaker 1: but you know, if you're going to be a League
Speaker 1: moving forward. I was getting the emails and the zoom
Speaker 1: links didn't work, and then we needed to do and
Speaker 1: the audio wasn't working, and you were trying to send
Speaker 1: me links so I could watch. Like, it's not a
Speaker 1: professional way.
Speaker 2: To handle that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if anyone from ufl it makes
Speaker 1: it this far into this final episode, but like, this
Speaker 1: is not a This is not a professional way to
Speaker 1: run your media day. So you need to have links
Speaker 1: at work and microphones and cameras at work, and people
Speaker 1: get like, I don't. I think we saw more from
Speaker 1: Maddie and I think Stefan and them were doing cell
Speaker 1: phone videos than I saw the League posting any of
Speaker 1: that stuff, and it would just was garbage anyway. So
Speaker 1: just it's always just kind of like the least amount
Speaker 1: of effort. It's the same with the halftime show. It's
Speaker 1: the same with the media day. It's the same with
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It's like, well, we kind of kind
Speaker 1: of tried to do it, so now what we can
Speaker 1: just move on to some of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have liked, you know, I know a
Speaker 2: guy who's like really good at video and has cameras
Speaker 2: and like knows how to live stream. I bet, I
Speaker 2: bet I can. I'll have I'll get in touch with
Speaker 2: him and see if he can get in touch with
Speaker 2: the UFL next time. But yeah, I mean again, you know,
Speaker 2: it looked kind of amateurous. Now here's the thing. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of the people out there weren't going to
Speaker 2: They're not going to see that anyway. But I'll also
Speaker 2: say on the converse of that, if you are a
Speaker 2: local station, a local TV station or anything, you're not
Speaker 2: going to use somebody's cell phone string. You can't use
Speaker 2: it on television. I mean, I used it in the video,
Speaker 2: my last video, and you can say it's just you know,
Speaker 2: I tried to fix it. I spent thirty plus minutes
Speaker 2: trying to fix their audio so you could actually hear it.
Speaker 2: You can't see it. It looks terrible, but you can
Speaker 2: hear at least hear the audio what they're trying to say. So,
Speaker 2: but you're right, it's just they're they're they need to
Speaker 2: step up in some professionalism. Again. I'm going to lean
Speaker 2: on the side of optimism that, Okay, here's something that
Speaker 2: they've learned. This is what they need to fix for
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: I am going to have to talk to this deck
Speaker 1: watching guys super quick, Why don't you I'm going to
Speaker 1: flip over to the attention super quick, Why don't you share?
Speaker 1: Because we gotta have duetts thoughts here or I his charts.
Speaker 1: We'll do that, but give your thoughts on this. I'm
Speaker 1: going to drop out for thirty seconds, not.
Speaker 2: Right back, sure, you know, so we'll you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: we'll take a look there with the attendance at fourteen
Speaker 2: five point fifty nine, and that is you know, that's
Speaker 2: tough for a championship to me. Number one is because
Speaker 2: it it shows that, you know, people weren't interested. And
Speaker 2: we thought like, okay, what if we you know, what
Speaker 2: if we have in Saint Louis where we think that
Speaker 2: everything you know, where it's it's a football crazy town,
Speaker 2: and then there's gonna be a lot of people there.
Speaker 2: But it didn't happen. And you know, I was talking
Speaker 2: to a friend of mine today and say, well, if
Speaker 2: it's not in their team, then why why should they care?
Speaker 2: And I said, that's your first problem right there, that's
Speaker 2: your problem, because it's just showing that there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, a lot of interest, you know,
Speaker 2: even for people who would come to that game even
Speaker 2: in Saint Louis, and you know they were given tickets
Speaker 2: and everything else. So I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: uh with that, And I just think that that's another
Speaker 2: indicator of they've got to work this out. Also, Stephen Johnson,
Speaker 2: I saw you. I see you here. I gave you
Speaker 2: a shout out. It's not on the lie I think
Speaker 2: it's not on the last video but the one before.
Speaker 2: So check it out and thank you for joining much channel.
Speaker 2: I appreciate I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You know, like that. Who oh, it was funny today
Speaker 1: I saw one of my Washington Commanders reporters was something
Speaker 1: and he was in there like you need to get
Speaker 1: this right, like you get paid millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: talk about sports. And I was like, he's a beat
Speaker 1: reporter for the Commanders that like has like very good,
Speaker 1: but like he's not making millions of dollars talking about this.
Speaker 1: I just the one comment I had on this in
Speaker 1: just the fourteen thousand whatever. Just today they open and
Speaker 1: like this is Apple Sapple or not Apple samples, but
Speaker 1: the they just open the Ireland UK tickets for the
Speaker 1: NFL game. There are six hundred thousand people just in
Speaker 1: the Q on line to buy tickets and like, so
Speaker 1: we bought our tickets for the Madrid game. I go,
Speaker 1: we bought them through the league, like early, through a
Speaker 1: you know, their hospitality department or whatever the heck you
Speaker 1: want to call it. And I'm like, gosh, so like
Speaker 1: people do travel again today, They're like it does. And
Speaker 1: I understand that, like the UFL is not the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I understand all of that, but the point is
Speaker 1: you need to make it be something that people were
Speaker 1: worth while to travel to. And if any year, like
Speaker 1: if I wasn't going to travel to Saint Louis lash
Speaker 1: for the Birmingham you know, maybe I had gone to
Speaker 1: the other Birmingham Championship games. Well shoot, I'm I'm a
Speaker 1: Defenders fan. I can go now, I'm I'm a.
Speaker 2: Panthers, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least there's there's that thing on that.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, people will want to do anything if
Speaker 1: you give them the reason to do it. So it
Speaker 1: kills me this lag, Well, no one who would travel
Speaker 1: to like a lot of people travel the games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, and somebody made a good point here.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe Saint Louis fans did do their part,
Speaker 2: and but you can't ask them to fill up the
Speaker 2: stadium when the BattleHawks aren't there. But I'll still say,
Speaker 2: like fourteen thousand for a championship game. You know that
Speaker 2: that's just that's not good. I mean, that's that was.
Speaker 2: In fact, I think the last Saint Louis game, people
Speaker 2: said that was a low that might have been like
Speaker 2: one of the lowest attended games. And that was a
Speaker 2: playoff game. So yeah, there were some I mean there's Christopher,
Speaker 2: he traveled from DC, so there were some.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is excuse me. So now you can hear
Speaker 1: the pressure rusher. Really, she's weast were all squared away here.
Speaker 1: Last year they had Tom Brady do his first ever
Speaker 1: game announcement. I that is a good point, Like what
Speaker 1: was the Brady bump last year for the USFL? Like,
Speaker 1: but hey, I'm there was there was more people watching
Speaker 1: Tom Brady last year than watching the Bad Moods this
Speaker 1: year play in Saint Louis at halftimes.
Speaker 2: So I'm just telling you, yeah, I mean I don't
Speaker 2: know what ABC does, I mean, do they bring Steven A.
Speaker 2: Smith out there? Like what do what do they do?
Speaker 2: Like to drum up interest? And I I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I was just really shocked, you know you
Speaker 2: you sent that to me earlier today Mike's tweet. And
Speaker 2: by the way, I almost joined Twitter this weekend, but
Speaker 2: then I saw some cesspool stuff that I was not
Speaker 2: interested in. But but when I saw that, I was shocked.
Speaker 2: I was like, I couldn't believe that sat on a
Speaker 2: Saturday night, it's a championship game on ABC, which has
Speaker 2: had like really good ratings for their UFL games that
Speaker 2: they couldn't even top a million. And that's that's just
Speaker 2: that's tough to understand.
Speaker 1: Let's look here through I just real quick, I'm doing
Speaker 1: if you're not following that due on all this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of takes Mike Mitchell's numbers throughout the course
Speaker 1: of the season and breaks it down. I share this out,
Speaker 1: but you'll see down twenty one point seventy two percent
Speaker 1: year over year, you know, ABC down, I mean everything,
Speaker 1: ABC down ten percent, Fox down thirty percent, ESPN down
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent. ESPN two wasn't the FS one window
Speaker 1: because I think there was.
Speaker 2: Only the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was only one game each and whatever. But
Speaker 1: Fox really, you know, taking kind of the biggest dip
Speaker 1: here the Friday games go into that, right, because you
Speaker 1: figure if that, you know, if you're getting seven hundred
Speaker 1: to Friday, you're you know, those were generally averaging more
Speaker 1: like eight fifty to nine right during the course of
Speaker 1: the season last year. Anything stand out from this just
Speaker 1: I just appreciate a due kind of doing this. Obviously,
Speaker 1: everything down, but anything stand out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Abdul might make me join Twitter because he has
Speaker 2: some good content here. I think what he posted is overall,
Speaker 2: like we were saying, it's just showing that there's a
Speaker 2: drop in interest, and I don't know why that. That's
Speaker 2: why I would I would like to know why not.
Speaker 2: I do understand that, you know, there are a lot
Speaker 2: of us out there who are going to watch no
Speaker 2: matter what, so you know, we'll we'll see. But but that, yeah,
Speaker 2: when I saw those those numbers, it was very surprising
Speaker 2: to me, and I don't know, I don't understand like
Speaker 2: why that it just overall and then and then for
Speaker 2: it to culminate with ABC of the issue and like
Speaker 2: in the championship game, it's just I don't know. I
Speaker 2: want to dive into it and read a lot more
Speaker 2: on it because I know we just got these numbers today,
Speaker 2: So there's there's probably a bigger story, uh that I
Speaker 2: just don't know what it is yet.
Speaker 1: Well, at least just a couple of my takeaways here is,
Speaker 1: you know, we got the big jump last year going
Speaker 1: in when they you know, because they had said we're
Speaker 1: going to merge the leagues. We want to give the
Speaker 1: you know, the best TV and you tell me of
Speaker 1: this is unbearable and the pressure washing and you know,
Speaker 1: they said they wanted to prioritize you give the TV
Speaker 1: windows and that's what we had to merge everything. So
Speaker 1: you saw forty versus forty one this year, and now
Speaker 1: you have a lot of those Fox Friday ones taking
Speaker 1: the part of that. So all to me, the biggest
Speaker 1: question mark will be is if they keep this Fox
Speaker 1: Friday Night experiment going on in the year two, because
Speaker 1: that's where Fox had the biggest drop in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But you do still have those forty plus you know
Speaker 1: game windows, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt, you know, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 2: I thought Fox could have dressed it up. I thought
Speaker 2: Fox could have made it a thing. Instead, we got
Speaker 2: you know, Kurt Menafee, you know, messing up players names,
Speaker 2: and team names and it was just like any other thing.
Speaker 2: It just felt like it was low effort to me.
Speaker 2: And then you had ABC and ESPN on the converse
Speaker 2: of that, who put in a lot.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know some people didn't like all the betting stuff,
Speaker 2: but they those games felt much bigger to me than
Speaker 2: the Fox Friday Night game, which should be the game
Speaker 2: that you would think, like, that's the spotlight game, and
Speaker 2: that's what we thought it was gonna be. It just
Speaker 2: really it never came to that. And yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: and I agree with pro catch here who says that
Speaker 2: in the chat that there should have been some kind
Speaker 2: of pre game thing, And that's what I thought, like,
Speaker 2: even if you're you're already gonna have a three hour broadcast,
Speaker 2: why don't you spend five to ten minutes, you know,
Speaker 2: telling a little bit of a story, doing a pregame,
Speaker 2: making it a thing, dress it up, and then you've
Speaker 2: got the game. Because the gameplay was good, the product's good.
Speaker 2: You got to get people to watch.
Speaker 1: This is I guess we're and this will kind of
Speaker 1: dictate the conversation here to kind of round out all
Speaker 1: this is. You know, so, so where do you go
Speaker 1: from from here? Right? And Fox wants to be in
Speaker 1: this market because they want to own, you know, the programming, right,
Speaker 1: have cheap, repeatable programming, and that they have the the
Speaker 1: you know that they own and so I get that,
Speaker 1: But then when you're gonna have it and not put
Speaker 1: in the effort, and then you see stuff like Gordon
Speaker 1: rams here or ABC with the Connors getting I guess that.
Speaker 1: My question is where does that leave Fox? And obviously
Speaker 1: we don't know. I saw the comment earlier. You know,
Speaker 1: Fox decide that they go in in twenty six and
Speaker 1: kind of they basically they kind of dictate all this.
Speaker 1: I just don't know where you go from here or what.
Speaker 1: I don't know what marketing strategy you come up with
Speaker 1: here in a dark room to kind of figure out
Speaker 1: how what your game plan is for next year besides
Speaker 1: really overhauling and spending a lot of time and money
Speaker 1: to get the messaging now. And I just don't see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know that it's it would
Speaker 2: even be that expensive. It's like you've got producers for
Speaker 2: these games, You've got people who know how to put
Speaker 2: together you know, NFL broadcasts. I'm not saying that there
Speaker 2: was like a bunch of NFL personnel that were doing
Speaker 2: these Fox broadcasts. I mean to me that they were
Speaker 2: mostly you know, as we used to stay in the
Speaker 2: TV business, they were clean broadcasts. You didn't see like
Speaker 2: a ton of technical mistakes. There wasn't. It wasn't that
Speaker 2: kind of thing, although that first season or that first
Speaker 2: game was a little bit shaky. But but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't even know that it's that expensive. You just change
Speaker 2: the format a little bit and that's free. But you've
Speaker 2: got to get some some talented producers who who probably
Speaker 2: you know, I would think a lot of them wanted
Speaker 2: to do a lot more. But maybe it's just like
Speaker 2: it's just not they just said, let's just put this
Speaker 2: on and get it over with. And when you have
Speaker 2: low effort things like that, or what at least appeared
Speaker 2: to be low effort, it's just not going to catch on.
Speaker 2: It's just it would be like anyone flipping around and
Speaker 2: you know, watching they flip around to ESPN on Sunday
Speaker 2: afternoon and they're showing X throwing. Well, you might watch
Speaker 2: it for a few minutes, but you're not going to
Speaker 2: watch the whole thing. I mean, there was darts on
Speaker 2: there one day and I was like, okay, this is
Speaker 2: interesting for about ten minutes and then I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna move on.
Speaker 1: Well, I think, and the RIX told me, he's like,
Speaker 1: you need to mute your mic when you're not talking,
Speaker 1: So let me know if anyone if But like I
Speaker 1: just I don't know who is someone has to advocate
Speaker 1: for this, right like someone at Foster or at ESPN,
Speaker 1: And I don't know who that is anymore. And I
Speaker 1: think that the fact that we as you said, you know,
Speaker 1: you flipped aroundside darts or saw whatever whatever the peak was,
Speaker 1: you know, saw x amount during the first fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: of the thing and then decided that was enough of
Speaker 1: it and moved on right like it peaked in the
Speaker 1: here let me pull it up again, you know, peaked,
Speaker 1: so you know, I mean they're doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: and they lost three hundred thousand that way. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if we're gone, if who's gone, Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know who advocates or who you know,
Speaker 1: you need like a Sam Schwarztein or someone like in
Speaker 1: this regime of this kind of feeling, maybe you feel
Speaker 1: like it's advocating for the fans and more. I don't know,
Speaker 1: like it just it feels like we're very disconnected from
Speaker 1: this now and I just don't know where that advocation
Speaker 1: is going to come from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. And if they I guess
Speaker 2: also if they do it like they've done, you know,
Speaker 2: next year, you know, is the championship game going to
Speaker 2: be on Fox? So I don't know, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: you there, there needs to be. It feels like to
Speaker 2: me now we're outsiders. We don't know what, as you said,
Speaker 2: what goes on in the dark room, and we don't
Speaker 2: know what these meetings are like. They're supposed to have
Speaker 2: leadership meetings this week, they're supposed to be more throughout
Speaker 2: the summer. But you feel like they need to bring
Speaker 2: in someone who has some TV knowledge. It's not just
Speaker 2: football knowledge. They have the football knowledge people, they need
Speaker 2: some people who have some TV knowledge who can say, listen,
Speaker 2: I watched all your broadcasts and here's what I think
Speaker 2: you can do better and get that and and but
Speaker 2: who's the person at Fox to do this? Eric Shanks
Speaker 2: is that he's the main guy in Fox Sports. He's
Speaker 2: the guy who wanted to restart the USFL and that
Speaker 2: was his pet project and it didn't cost I mean
Speaker 2: for what it costs Fox again, this is it was
Speaker 2: a rounding area. It's pocket change for them, So it
Speaker 2: wasn't it's not a big expense. And you know, but
Speaker 2: you but you have investors involved in this also. You
Speaker 2: know in this now with the USFL, it was only Fox.
Speaker 2: Then with the XFL, you had you know, the Rock
Speaker 2: and Danny, and you had the Redbird Capitol. Now you've
Speaker 2: got you know, those two entities together. And then somehow
Speaker 2: I guess ESPN is doing some things, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how financially invested they are in it. So I
Speaker 2: don't know what. And I see someone mentioned they're Oliver Luck.
Speaker 2: You could pick a lot worse people than Oliver. Look
Speaker 2: there you go, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Best the interview we ever did in one of them
Speaker 1: last year, the talking and you know, and like I said,
Speaker 1: that was kind of I was like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm kind of done with a lot, Like I've climbed
Speaker 1: the mountain of I don't know, you know, like even
Speaker 1: the CFL now they have a new UH, they have
Speaker 1: a new UH commissioner, and I'm like, God, I got
Speaker 1: to go through the ranks again and work my way.
Speaker 1: I've done all this, But no, I do agree with
Speaker 1: Max here because you said bring in the TV people.
Speaker 1: But you need, you know, you need to get and
Speaker 1: and we've seen the comments here. Talk to the Savannah
Speaker 1: Bananas people or talk to the you know, the Harlem
Speaker 1: Globe tribe. People will talk to me like, how how
Speaker 1: can you you need to sell more just as entertainment
Speaker 1: than this football. You almost need to have it more.
Speaker 1: It's just that product.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's you know, something we've talked about too.
Speaker 2: You've been to games. I've been to games. It's some
Speaker 2: you go there and watch football, that's fine, but if
Speaker 2: you're going there for some kind of you know, game experiences,
Speaker 2: which is what you need to have, you don't get
Speaker 2: that a lot of places. Now I didn't go to
Speaker 2: all eight venues, so I don't know I can. You know,
Speaker 2: I've been to Saint Louis and they had you know,
Speaker 2: they had some stuff outside. You know, was at Memphis
Speaker 2: and you know they tried, but they had a very
Speaker 2: small crowd. But it's not it's not a you know,
Speaker 2: that's a they had a good tailgating section out there,
Speaker 2: but there's not this you know, we're gonna go and
Speaker 2: have all like minor league baseball, Like there's always something
Speaker 2: with minor league baseball. We brought it up before, and
Speaker 2: like you said, Savannah Bananas, there's there's entertainment for everyone.
Speaker 2: And then oh yeah, also you've got a game I
Speaker 2: had just in in Since the twenty twenty two USFL,
Speaker 2: I just have not seen a whole lot of that
Speaker 2: atmosphere game atmosphere or you know, fan atmosphere at some
Speaker 2: of these games because there's just not a lot to
Speaker 2: do there.
Speaker 1: I know they couldn't, but even even fourteen thousand and
Speaker 1: Audi Field would have looked tremendously different than fourteen. I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's that's a completely different Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: that helps build and excitement, you know, I mean we
Speaker 1: just I know we're talking not just a championship game,
Speaker 1: but you know we've talked to venues and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean having the right, but you don't have you
Speaker 1: see all the time if they can only get this
Speaker 1: venue in this like yeah, I'm sure they're sitting there too,
Speaker 1: like we we I mean, you can't. We had one
Speaker 1: of the comments and said that you know, they had
Speaker 1: talked with the people at the Roughnecks and they know
Speaker 1: that like they're like, oh, yeah, they know it's a problem.
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone on the ground does know it's a problem.
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing when you work in the corporation.
Speaker 1: I mean, I Pam in the county might know that
Speaker 1: there's a problem, but you need you know, Jenny the
Speaker 1: CEO to make that decision or whoever. Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: That doesn't do any good that you know that the
Speaker 1: San Antonio people know, and marketing is rough and San
Speaker 1: Antonio you need, but I don't continue and I just
Speaker 1: because I don't know when they run out of Karen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and that's we talked about. Someone brought it
Speaker 2: up to and it's a great idea, but that's the
Speaker 2: problem is that you would want to have like the
Speaker 2: higher seeded team host you know, host a playoff or
Speaker 2: host a championship. But it's it's a venue problem. And
Speaker 2: that's one of the things that Russ Brandon said that
Speaker 2: you know, they were trying to look at at He
Speaker 2: talked about venue problems. And I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was city problems or if it was venue problems, but
Speaker 2: I think they want to be they want to be
Speaker 2: more involved and be a bigger star on a bigger
Speaker 2: platform in some of these communities, but you have to
Speaker 2: have availability. And I know, you know, like this has
Speaker 2: happened a few times where you know, it happened with
Speaker 2: Michigan like last year and the end this year where
Speaker 2: even if they had one home field advantage they wouldn't
Speaker 2: get to play. It happened with the d C with
Speaker 2: you know, Audi Field this year because you're right, like
Speaker 2: it would have been incredible to see fourteen thousand people
Speaker 2: at Audi Field. I mean it just would have been
Speaker 2: it would have it would have been something else. So
Speaker 2: they got to look at the venues and as Russ
Speaker 2: Brandon said, everything's on the table. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: be interested in some of these off season announcements, assuming
Speaker 2: they come.
Speaker 1: So I'm watching, I'm watching, my bread, my breath, watching
Speaker 1: so everyone can see. I'm not like, we got got
Speaker 1: years of building out there. Yeah, Christopher here, we got
Speaker 1: Audi original. Aldis here at Aldi West. Yeah. So I
Speaker 1: like that that they were calling Aldi West, Yeah, Sat
Speaker 1: Louis so okay. So when Russ Brandon says that, right,
Speaker 1: everything is on the table, we're having leadership tops, we're
Speaker 1: having off season talks. I what does that look like
Speaker 1: or does that. I don't know. That doesn't fill me
Speaker 1: with a tremendous sense of enthusiasm that like I like
Speaker 1: that everything's on the table, but then that feels like
Speaker 1: nothing's on the table. And then I don't know if
Speaker 1: if registering new marks is the way I found the
Speaker 1: one just a weekend, I can give credit here, but
Speaker 1: like the first comment was like they have yeah, this,
Speaker 1: like they have trademarks for everything, like so you can
Speaker 1: read into it, you can read not but I I
Speaker 1: just it doesn't excite me to still have Russ and
Speaker 1: Darryll and them in charge of this, Like I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've seen what this is now.
Speaker 2: Well I would say that I don't mind them being
Speaker 2: in charge, but as you brought up earlier, they need
Speaker 2: to have somebody else has to be in that room.
Speaker 2: Somebody that can, you know, as as Max said, somebody
Speaker 2: that can knows how to bring fans. They need somebody
Speaker 2: in there who knows how to fix these broadcasts, some
Speaker 2: of these broadcasts. So I know, I think that to me,
Speaker 2: I think they've got the football thing that they got.
Speaker 2: They got the football thing down, because I don't think
Speaker 2: anybody can complain about you know, overall like what the
Speaker 2: football looked like, even from the first three weeks, but
Speaker 2: certainly after week three, when again we talked about I
Speaker 2: think some of the quarterback issues started to show in
Speaker 2: the first three weeks and then everybody got on the
Speaker 2: same page. But you also can't go into it what
Speaker 2: we saw with the XFL, where that said Okay, we're
Speaker 2: going to have a team in Las Vegas and then
Speaker 2: they worked backwards. You can't do that because it was
Speaker 2: a complete failure. You got to do it a much
Speaker 2: different way. And I think that's why they did the
Speaker 2: whole RFP process was to say, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk to these cities, make sure there's interest, make sure
Speaker 2: there's the right venue, in the right situation, and the
Speaker 2: right fan base. I'm trying to give them the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt here read.
Speaker 1: Well, no, and and I completely agree. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is more how you have to do it. But again,
Speaker 1: it still feels like I am read and I am
Speaker 1: trying to get Sidney Sweeney to date me, or trying
Speaker 1: to get whoever to date me, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's still and I'm a happily mayor maybe, but it
Speaker 1: still just feels like you know we're the UFL, like
Speaker 1: would you like us to come? And I don't. I
Speaker 1: think I think the CFL would have a higher stance
Speaker 1: and saying like, hey, we want to host a Gray
Speaker 1: Cup in you know, Tulsa and really blow it out
Speaker 1: and bring a lot of people in then get the
Speaker 1: tunors going there without like I don't, like, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, I don't. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they're mean. We said this for I just don't know
Speaker 1: what they're selling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe this maybe we have Like it's
Speaker 2: been what thirty years since the CFL has been here
Speaker 2: in America? Is that what we need? I know there
Speaker 2: was somebody there was who kept saying like, well, the
Speaker 2: CFL and UFL need to merge and then they could
Speaker 2: do that, And I was like, I don't think that's
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But yeah, I mean I don't know, Like
Speaker 2: you're right, Like that's a great question. Where do you
Speaker 2: go from here? Again, On the positive side, the gameplay
Speaker 2: is good, the structure's already in place. But on the
Speaker 2: negative side, you've got to get more people involved and
Speaker 2: you have to get eyeballs from casual fans. And I
Speaker 2: think there are a lot of us in this niche
Speaker 2: that they're saying like, well, we don't need the casual fans.
Speaker 2: This is for us. Well that's not sustainable. I mean
Speaker 2: it can be for us, but it's six hundred thousand people.
Speaker 2: You know, watching network TV is not gonna do. You
Speaker 2: can be on Evergreen TV and right now TV like
Speaker 2: these arena football leagues are or whatever, so which would
Speaker 2: be fine, I guess, but you know you got to
Speaker 2: lower your expectations after that.
Speaker 1: It is wild and I know it's different, but like
Speaker 1: the Europeian League of Football like has a TV network
Speaker 1: or has a deal and the YouTube deal and is
Speaker 1: adding teams and all this, and then the UFL. How
Speaker 1: would you grade this season of the UFL because we
Speaker 1: heard a lot of well, we couldn't look through it
Speaker 1: year one because we you know, we merged the late
Speaker 1: and we didn't even know we were doing. So now
Speaker 1: you know we went through the whole year. How would
Speaker 1: you how would you rate this?
Speaker 2: Well, all grade on a curve because you know we
Speaker 2: saw it, like you said, we saw what happened in
Speaker 2: year one and and as as I think it was
Speaker 2: Danny Garcia or Darryl Johnson, one of the said like
Speaker 2: it was kind of murky. We were still trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out. They got it off the ground, so,
Speaker 2: you know, so to me, when I see season two,
Speaker 2: I have to give it at least a B because
Speaker 2: you everything, you know played out. They worked out the
Speaker 2: labor strife, they worked out that issue. We got good gameplay,
Speaker 2: they didn't put stuff on, they learned don't put you know,
Speaker 2: games on FS one and you know, but I know
Speaker 2: there were some issues with weather and things like that.
Speaker 2: That's out of their control. The things I thought that
Speaker 2: were in their control, I thought they handled well. So
Speaker 2: to me, it's got to be at least a BE.
Speaker 1: I just don't know, And I was trying to kind
Speaker 1: of formulate the way around this. I'm just I think
Speaker 1: they did a good job, right, I would agree with
Speaker 1: you and B and then we accomplished this. But going
Speaker 1: back and I'm just really trying to formulate my thoughts
Speaker 1: to kind of get out of this is I'm just
Speaker 1: afraid that like the UFL is going to end up
Speaker 1: being like a suits or something for like USA or
Speaker 1: one of these channels that's just on for like fifteen
Speaker 1: years and then just doesn't and then you're like oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize, like suits was on and then like,
Speaker 1: I'm just afraid that this is going to be on
Speaker 1: Friday nights on Fox for the next like fifteen years,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna go, well, it's cheaper than paying Gordon
Speaker 1: ramsay another show, and we'll do this. I just that's
Speaker 1: my fear, and that's what I don't want. But given
Speaker 1: year two, now we have that, do we just get
Speaker 1: a four hundred dollars super chat? Like, what's happening here? John?
Speaker 2: I think it disappeared though Steven might have been kind
Speaker 2: of go for four there.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it is a mistake, but someone's screenshot out
Speaker 1: I'll take it. I'll take that in their early retirement here.
Speaker 2: You've just broken Steven.
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, they say I know that Tulsa has
Speaker 1: a high. Yeah, so we went through kind of all
Speaker 1: of that. Do we want to do that? Do you
Speaker 1: want to do that really quick before we get out
Speaker 1: of here? All right, so Van for a second and
Speaker 1: let me pull that up because that actually would be
Speaker 1: a good article to get into. This guy is killing
Speaker 1: me now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a talk to me. I think
Speaker 2: if you don't have two new teams, at least this
Speaker 2: year in which we you know, we talked about before.
Speaker 2: If you if you don't add some teams or you know,
Speaker 2: try to fix the problems and you just go in
Speaker 2: status quo. I mean, that's when you start to get sagnet.
Speaker 2: And that's my concern that they say they the approach
Speaker 2: is almost too conservative. It's okay to shake things up,
Speaker 2: but I think there's some markets up there that this
Speaker 2: will this would work. And you know, as Daryl Johnson said,
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, they're trying to find out the
Speaker 2: disconnect but between some of this some of these markets.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just like i'd really like to see,
Speaker 2: you know, some change. You got to they need change,
Speaker 2: and I don't know it has to be radical change,
Speaker 2: but there needs to be some change. The football is good,
Speaker 2: they've got to they got to catch some attention there.
Speaker 1: I'm muted now. I realized I hadn't muted that whole
Speaker 1: time there when I was looking at that article. But
Speaker 1: this is interesting. On here, Mike just talked through kind
Speaker 1: of the top top UFL markets, uh per Fox Sports,
Speaker 1: and this is on that Birmingham up here, and this
Speaker 1: is this is the share kind of in that market.
Speaker 1: So I would say that the you know, if it
Speaker 1: was New York or Seattle, that's you know, you see
Speaker 1: here Dallas has has a three share, you know, so
Speaker 1: it's it's anyway you see, Birmingham of the todd, New Orleans,
Speaker 1: Saint Louis no surprise, and there a Tulsa, A.
Speaker 2: Lot of you just really just use like just completely
Speaker 2: Nord Louisville in there.
Speaker 1: VELL know, Well, what's your thoughts on this, because that
Speaker 1: at least this gives you the direction to go more
Speaker 1: than just like we own the trademark. But I still
Speaker 1: don't think that, like, you know, point aid in Louisville
Speaker 1: as a reason to put a team there. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Well, I would one hundred percent disagree with that. No,
Speaker 2: I'm kidding. Uh No. New Orleans still is the biggest
Speaker 2: surprise to me. It's like it's just crazy that the
Speaker 2: two markets that get over a one rating are Birmingham,
Speaker 2: which I guess people are watching on TV rather than
Speaker 2: going to the games, and New Orleans, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I guess there had to have been there
Speaker 2: had to have been some some kind you know, when
Speaker 2: when they they started the USFL and they started the
Speaker 2: with the uh New Orleans breakers that thought, Okay, well
Speaker 2: they did they did some homework here, and they know
Speaker 2: that New Orleans is wanted the foot, wanted football because
Speaker 2: I think that was the original attend of the USFL.
Speaker 2: Here's some teams. We're going to sell these franchises off,
Speaker 2: you know, in the long term. Uh but yeah, but
Speaker 2: I mean when you look at Memphis, it's like a
Speaker 2: two share is still not bad, but it's you know,
Speaker 2: you don't have people showing up and you're still even
Speaker 2: in the markets, you're still the lowest one. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously no surprise with Saint Louis there, but
Speaker 2: the New Orleans one just seems like such an outlier
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: We had a lot of anti Becked comments here and
Speaker 1: I joke with you earlier. Didn't he back down followed
Speaker 1: me today? So either he's leaving the UFL or just
Speaker 1: my my negative comments about Saint Louis has has finally
Speaker 1: gotten to him. But people don't seem too happy with
Speaker 1: back there. I know the problem, John, and we've taught
Speaker 1: this market share and everything else is these non NFL markets,
Speaker 1: it's the reason why they're not there. And yeah, so
Speaker 1: you can draw a large percentage of the people there,
Speaker 1: but the overall number. Yeah, it's still not this large,
Speaker 1: massive people that you're moving them there? Is that your
Speaker 1: similar thoughts?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. I mean, you're not going
Speaker 2: to have you know, Louisville and Tulsa and New Orleans
Speaker 2: probably in the league next year. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: there's been some talk with Nashville, like there's there was,
Speaker 2: you know, not I wouldn't even say rumors, but discussion
Speaker 2: that maybe Memphis needs to go to Nashville. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that works or not. But but yeah,
Speaker 2: you're right, it's just there. There there's some outliers in there,
Speaker 2: but I don't think that necessarily means that they're outliers
Speaker 2: where they're going to put a team in there. I'd
Speaker 2: love to see it. I'd love to have season tickets
Speaker 2: to the Louisville whoever's.
Speaker 1: Max year had that, I think it was a D
Speaker 1: plus for the obviously seeing some ratings in your D
Speaker 1: plus Jenna has a B minus. Uh Max year. How
Speaker 1: can you drum up excitement when you can't expand let
Speaker 1: the fans be involved. I just, to me, the hardest
Speaker 1: part of all that is going in the next season,
Speaker 1: and just I don't know what you're I just shouldn't
Speaker 1: know what the talking point is. Now that we've moved
Speaker 1: past the merger and now that we move past the
Speaker 1: rock and all that.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like if you if you don't expand
Speaker 2: and it's the same eight teams, I think you you roll,
Speaker 2: you roll the dice. You're you're running a real risk
Speaker 2: of losing your core fandom too, because I think there
Speaker 2: are a lot of core fans who would say, like,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna do this again. I'm just I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna be that interested, and and that that's a worry
Speaker 2: to me because that that that's the end of the
Speaker 2: league when you start to lose the core, because you
Speaker 2: have to build from the core and then go out
Speaker 2: to the casuals. And when you start to lose this,
Speaker 2: that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had the comment here, and I'm doing kind
Speaker 1: of better than what I had said. I don't think
Speaker 1: these shares are big enough to actually expand. These markets
Speaker 1: are so small. You're getting the small share in the
Speaker 1: smaller market. But that's how you're going to kind of
Speaker 1: gauge the fan. I think that's how people are gonna
Speaker 1: they take that information, they're going to use that to
Speaker 1: look for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Yeah, you get a one point five
Speaker 2: share in uh, you know, a top ten market that
Speaker 2: get that you're you're talking numbers, but you're right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: these when you start to look at the like the
Speaker 2: Nielsen markets, like for instance, you know, Louisville is forty set,
Speaker 2: forty eight, forty nine. It's so that's a different for
Speaker 2: Birmingham is probably in that area as well. So these
Speaker 2: are you know, now New Orleans, actually New Orleans I
Speaker 2: think is maybe fifty one. So you're looking at, you know,
Speaker 2: these mid size markets that are not necessarily the ratings
Speaker 2: are good, but but overall numbers when you see them,
Speaker 2: if you you you know, you put shares to actual population,
Speaker 2: that's a different story.
Speaker 1: I still to see so many anti backed comments here.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really just crazy that way.
Speaker 2: Well that that's fine if you want to get rid
Speaker 2: of BECT, but you know, who's who's your upgrade? It's
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd say that on a from high school
Speaker 2: to college to any pro level, Like if you want
Speaker 2: to fire your coach, that's fine, but who's your replacement
Speaker 2: that's going to be better, that's gonna do what he's done.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not you know, trying to defend back.
Speaker 2: He can do that himself. But to me, like there
Speaker 2: are a lot of coaches in this league that you
Speaker 2: know that you might be able to improve on, I
Speaker 2: don't know if if there's one for Anthony Beck, I
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of frustration. I get that, but
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know that how. I don't know
Speaker 2: like how you're going to improve on him. Not to
Speaker 2: say there aren't great coaches out there, but you know,
Speaker 2: I just can't see it.
Speaker 1: And and he had a funny guy. It's all fun
Speaker 1: and games firing the coach until you win two games
Speaker 1: the next season. But you know, if it was me
Speaker 1: and I had to sell this league and you got
Speaker 1: rid of I don't know, a couple of coaches and
Speaker 1: try to bring in someone that's got some college and
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, Cachet and those markets, or I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't you know, I'm not smart enough with the
Speaker 1: college football brand, you know, off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: But I just can't think of any other way you
Speaker 1: kind of get people to go out unless you deal
Speaker 1: with like Zorn and all that, with the Sea Dragon
Speaker 1: or with the Dragons, like I think you got to
Speaker 1: have maybe that connection then yeah.
Speaker 2: But the problem is with that, as you know, like
Speaker 2: there's a reason Reggie Barlow went to Tennessee State. He's
Speaker 2: probably gonna make thirty times what he was making, you know,
Speaker 2: as a head coach in the UFL. So you're gonna
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to, uh, you're gonna have to spend
Speaker 2: some money to get some of that. I mean. And
Speaker 2: it's not like Tennessee State's Alabama. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's so there's there's a lot of money in
Speaker 2: college coaching right now, and I don't know if the UFL,
Speaker 2: even with just eight teams, is going to try to
Speaker 2: keep up with those coaches salaries like that. Because there
Speaker 2: are a lot of good coach like Peyton Party, you
Speaker 2: can say say whatever you want to about him. That
Speaker 2: guy is going to be a head coach somewhere on
Speaker 2: a on a big level. He's a young dude. You know,
Speaker 2: they didn't have a lot of success, but you look
Speaker 2: at his journey just this season, what he had to
Speaker 2: go through and what he did. It's like, man, he
Speaker 2: had those guys. He had those guys playing when there
Speaker 2: was nothing to play for and he's a young dude.
Speaker 2: So yeah, is he gonna stay in the UFL? I
Speaker 2: mean he might next season. He might be a head
Speaker 2: coach next season somewhere. Uh you know that. So you've
Speaker 2: got to you got to spend some money if they
Speaker 2: want to keep guys and get guys like.
Speaker 1: That, well they're gonna do with the defense. Do you
Speaker 1: think they're gonna just have to rebuild or open up
Speaker 1: the pocketbook? I mean that to me, you have your
Speaker 1: I mean imagine now if Sharon Harris, Shannon Harris goes,
Speaker 1: it's makes it worse now that they won the championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're right. I mean it's it's funny.
Speaker 1: Or don't you say, oh, look he got this big
Speaker 1: promotion because he Look look it could even happen to you.
Speaker 2: I mean right, yeah, you're right because you look at
Speaker 2: the optics that were bad because Reggie Barlow left before
Speaker 2: the season and now with that same team, like the
Speaker 2: interim coach who all the players said, well we want
Speaker 2: to take that interim tag off. But it's like, well,
Speaker 2: how much is he going to make? You know, will
Speaker 2: he follow you know, Reggie Barlow or will he come
Speaker 2: back and add like more to this, you know, to
Speaker 2: his coaching resume, Like what's going to be better for him?
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, I don't, I don't. I
Speaker 2: would love to talk to somebody in the coaching community
Speaker 2: to see what they really think about if if someone
Speaker 2: like Shannon Harris, who like obviously should have been coach
Speaker 2: of the Year, there's no question about that, and he
Speaker 2: won Coach of the Year. So it's like, does that
Speaker 2: increase his resume to stay there and try to repeat
Speaker 2: on that, or does he go to Tennessee State and
Speaker 2: you know, whatever position coach or what are a coordinator
Speaker 2: that he is there? So you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but you're right, that's going to be kind of a
Speaker 2: he's got he's got some decisions to make and what
Speaker 2: DC could be a total rebuild and that would be
Speaker 2: that would be tough for that team to have to
Speaker 2: bring in a whole new staff. And then you got
Speaker 2: to wonder too, how many of those players, like a
Speaker 2: Jordan Tom who does he want to play for and
Speaker 2: you know, for a third coach. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 1: You know, he's kind of holding the cards. I mean
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. I like that, but Max
Speaker 1: had a thing here. You know, there's no way that
Speaker 1: you could get paid more to be the head coach
Speaker 1: in the pro league. Well, that is the UFL. I mean,
Speaker 1: is the UFL get out paid?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 1: Is that right? Is that your question?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean it's I don't know. I don't I
Speaker 2: don't know, Willie like it. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: salary structure is. I mean, I know, I know what
Speaker 2: uh what? You know what Barlow? I mean, that was
Speaker 2: a pretty big that was a pretty big pay raise
Speaker 2: for him to be head coach there. And that is
Speaker 2: a and that's a school who's actually financially struggling right now,
Speaker 2: and he knew it going in. So I don't know
Speaker 2: what the what the staff pay is like, but you
Speaker 2: know there's I don't and so you got to understand,
Speaker 2: like are you going to compare that to the UFL structure?
Speaker 2: Like what that going to look like? And as we
Speaker 2: talked about before, also what does it mean for you know,
Speaker 2: when you're talking about a coaching resume and trying to
Speaker 2: enhance that move up.
Speaker 1: Anything else we want to talk about here we got
Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes left. Anything else.
Speaker 2: I just want to say that one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that I got into YouTube was because of you and
Speaker 2: and you know, because I'd watched you a lot, and
Speaker 2: you did a lot of you know, in interviews and
Speaker 2: everything else, and you were like one of the reasons
Speaker 2: that and you were super supportive of me, like starting out.
Speaker 2: In fact, you were on the first episode that I did,
Speaker 2: which by the way, I think still has like twenty
Speaker 2: thousand views, and I thought like, okay, I'm about to
Speaker 2: blow YouTube up. It didn't really kind of sustain that way.
Speaker 1: It never does. They give you the line.
Speaker 2: But but you, like you were like one of the
Speaker 2: like kind of champions in my corner, and you always helped,
Speaker 2: You always gave me good advice, and we got to
Speaker 2: be friends over this. You know. That was in December
Speaker 2: of I think twenty twenty three, or yeah, or twenty yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, I guess so, or maybe even twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. It's been it's been a few years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was back. The twenty two was when, you know,
Speaker 1: that was when Andy Murray kind of joined the world
Speaker 1: in you and kind of that was really when we
Speaker 1: kind of I think just a lot more people got
Speaker 1: into the space with the U. I mean the USFL
Speaker 1: BABA twenty two is I think the biggest.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent you ever had, Sinse Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was just it was it was fun to do, and
Speaker 2: I just continued to do it, and I just you know,
Speaker 2: I always appreciate your support and certainly appreciate your friendship.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'll never publish the text that we
Speaker 2: My promise to you is I'll never publish the text
Speaker 2: that we send to each other. That's good.
Speaker 1: No, well, no, I appreciate it, and it's just yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, I'm burnt out. John probably knows that,
Speaker 1: and the people and you know, at least it made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to the beginning of the CFL
Speaker 1: season coming out here and the fact that we're not
Speaker 1: going to be here for Great Cup and we're not
Speaker 1: going to go do that. That made a lot of
Speaker 1: sense and that made that decision easy. And this summer
Speaker 1: is terrible for me. And it's not fair that the
Speaker 1: people listening to the show to expect us to have
Speaker 1: you know, full your watching, or you know, to expect
Speaker 1: me to have a full rewatch or be informed and talk.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of getting to the point where it's
Speaker 1: not fair and I never want to be like the
Speaker 1: stephen A. Smith playing not to that level, but like
Speaker 1: the playing solitaire at the game and like not. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really hard to talk about this stuff when you're
Speaker 1: not fully mbressed, and I feel like I've kind of
Speaker 1: cheated my way through that the last year or so,
Speaker 1: just kind of trying to rely on Jason Hussey a
Speaker 1: lot last year with the CFL and then you and
Speaker 1: everything with the UFL right now. So it's just gotten
Speaker 1: to a point where I don't think it's fair to
Speaker 1: the fans and everything else. So yeah, people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like, yes, it's said the last episode of film.
Speaker 1: It's like, what's happening here? But anyway, so I yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we'll see. I mean, if they come out
Speaker 1: tomorrow and say the league's going the way, But I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't want there to be that expectation that
Speaker 1: we're coming back on. So John will continue to do
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff on his channel and like I said,
Speaker 1: off the top, but we'll promote kind of anyone else
Speaker 1: new with that. But it's just not fair to the people,
Speaker 1: and I don't have the time to do six interview
Speaker 1: two and a half hour shows anymore like it was fun.
Speaker 1: I mean it was a really fun time and that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 2: Well again, I appreciate everything that you've done, and you know,
Speaker 2: you introduced me to this whole YouTube world and yep,
Speaker 2: and we just have to say, yep, salute to you man.
Speaker 2: It's it's been fun and I appreciate you this whole season,
Speaker 2: like having me on and we got to talk to
Speaker 2: UFL you know, online and offline. So I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: It was it really was fun.
Speaker 1: Ah yes, says everyone saying goodbyes as the yeah, as
Speaker 1: the pressure washers here. But I will say so I've
Speaker 1: left everyone if you've made it to this point, I've
Speaker 1: left everyone a little boats present here at partying gift.
Speaker 1: John knows about this last week and we could change this,
Speaker 1: but this is just the gift that is always going
Speaker 1: to give. And so as we know, the the UFL,
Speaker 1: you know, football league doesn't own UFL dot com. I
Speaker 1: think it's a shipping line, right, It's like United freight line.
Speaker 1: And they also don't all now, so their website is
Speaker 1: the UFL dot com. So I have purchased UFL football
Speaker 1: dot Com and if you go type that in right now,
Speaker 1: I left you a little present. So if anyone and
Speaker 1: if anyone ever wants to get ahold of that, but
Speaker 1: maybe we'll change that, maybe we'll do other stuff with it.
Speaker 1: But John, I really appreciate it. We'll still talk and
Speaker 1: like I said, if anyone ever wants me to come
Speaker 1: on or anything. If anyone and you might say read
Speaker 1: we don't want to ever see again, and that's great too,
Speaker 1: but I'll still be I just don't want the pressure
Speaker 1: of doing this.
Speaker 2: But no, you will definitely be on my when you're available.
Speaker 2: I will definitely have you on.
Speaker 1: And don't what was I gonna say to Streamyard definitely
Speaker 1: already charged me. I think it was yesterday for this month.
Speaker 1: So I'm so glad. I'm like, damn it. We couldn't
Speaker 1: even get through one more episode. I'm the streamyrd account.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I really appreciate it. Go check out John's channel.
Speaker 1: We'll see everyone. Be nice and you know, like online
Speaker 1: and stuff and just be nice to people. All right,
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys. How do I get out of here?
Speaker 2: All right,