WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:28.359 Can I get it. 2 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:36.200 Then for everybody for freak care reading cod on Big Nation. 3 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:41.079 Yeah, I'm your host, d J. Welcome back to the show. 4 00:00:41.600 --> 00:00:45.520 It is a Sunday afternoon where we had to get 5 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.799 some space from my homegirl. Nurse Kim was about to 6 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:52.840 get on with Turtle Boy Mike Masa the glare. 7 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:56.200 They're all gonna be on there with pets and so forth, 8 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:58.159 and my pets and I are gonna be on here 9 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:00.719 watching Nurse Kim. So we just to go a little 10 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:04.000 bit early and bring on this gem of a human being. 11 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:08.920 This lady right here has more intelligence in her fingernail 12 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:12.120 polish than I got in this whole damn body. So 13 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:16.519 so don't worry. We're gonna come and say hi to 14 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:19.280 everybody in the chat. But before we get down with that, 15 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.799 let us say hello to the co collaborator of calling 16 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:29.680 all beings, my homegirl bea transh. What's up, hi everyone? 17 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:35.400 How you doing? Homegirl? 18 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:36.439 Good? 19 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:40.040 Just defrosting from today's seventeen degrees out in Denham. 20 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:44.000 I was gonna ask her she she definitely favored a 21 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.319 function over form or form overfunction in the case that 22 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:54.599 not necessarily the warmest boots, So her toes are probably freezing, so. 23 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:58.120 To warmer still. And it's five o'clock. 24 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:03.120 The electric socks on, all right, so we're gonna bring 25 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.840 on our guests. I'm very excited for this young lady here. 26 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.840 I became aware of her upon my arrival in Boston 27 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:14.360 the same day that I met you. It was a Friday, 28 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.879 and I was leaving Boston. Logan got in my rental 29 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:21.319 CA and I was bringing up YouTube and I saw 30 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:25.840 the tail light whisper and I start listening and I'm 31 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:30.479 headed to meet Peter Murphy and Suzanne over at in 32 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.759 Franklin at the pub of the Irish pub Teddy O. 33 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.240 Gallagher's I think it's called. So I bring up this 34 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.319 and I hear this lady. I don't even know that 35 00:02:39.439 --> 00:02:43.680 her name is Grace yet, so but I hear this 36 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:49.400 incredible intellect and this voice and this analysis of breaking 37 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.680 down the whole issue with the tail light and all 38 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.080 the steps that were gone through by that gentleman. And 39 00:02:55.120 --> 00:02:58.080 she's gonna tell me his name, because I keep forgetting 40 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:02.120 his name. But how he called Toyota in Japan, even 41 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.560 in trying to get details, and deconstructed that tail light, 42 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.840 and where all the diffusers and so forth, and the 43 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:11.639 LEDs were located. I was like, Wow, this is an 44 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.719 amazing content creator. I'm like, more people need to know 45 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:19.879 about this girl. That's what I'm saying. Can you feel me, Beatrice? 46 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:21.080 Yeah? 47 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:22.800 All right, So let's. 48 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:27.199 Say paytion sorry reading the chat you caught me? 49 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:31.639 Okay, paid ten? All right, So let's go through this. 50 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.120 So Grace is the creator of dream feed Media, a 51 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:38.319 channel committed to making legal content and data analysis relatable 52 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.120 and accessible. And she don did it in a calm, 53 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:43.800 low sensory manner. But I'll tell you what, it's not 54 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:46.759 too low for my sensory. Dream feed Media has a 55 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.360 mix of law nerd data analysis, audio content and legal 56 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:54.360 documents read out loud without yelling, oh sorry without yelling, 57 00:03:55.280 --> 00:04:00.520 flashing lights and unexpected louds, noise from sound ports, and 58 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:06.439 true crime that is the perfect for insomniacs. Insomniacs sorry, 59 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:09.639 and those who are driving, those who are visually impaired, 60 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:11.919 those who are up at three m feeding their new baby, 61 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:16.879 those with sensory sensitivities, epilepsy, migraines, and so much more. 62 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.959 Dream feed Media is one of the rare channels where 63 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.279 your content puts me to sleep. Is received as a compliment, 64 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:27.160 which is really cool because my content puts people to 65 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:28.160 sleep for the wrong reason. 66 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:39.120 So put your hands together for my homegirl breaks yeah, 67 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.560 dream than me. 68 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:54.519 You're too kind. 69 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.720 Thank you man. We appreciate you. We got a lot 70 00:04:59.759 --> 00:05:01.800 of able to say hello to in the chat. This 71 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:07.079 is a calling all being staple, So I'm gonna start here. 72 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:09.319 We are I'm kind of like it. So first of all, 73 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.199 Julie is here, and Sherry Farrell is here, and Sarah 74 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.240 Shock and horror uh and miss Jessica and. 75 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:22.800 Busy awesome, all your regulars. 76 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.600 Oh yeah, the the official attorney of calling all beings. 77 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:28.920 Valhalla La. 78 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:31.319 Nice to see you. 79 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.600 Please let us know if if either Grace or myself 80 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:41.480 break any rules of evidence tonight, valhall La. Dema is 81 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:47.439 here and this one we have to use the Irish accent. 82 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:48.839 Do you want to do that? Grace? You want me 83 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:49.160 to do it? 84 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:51.480 You? You have the best go for it. 85 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:53.399 Hello Kimberly Maguire. 86 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:57.720 Using your Lucky Charms voice. 87 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.240 He switches between that and missus doubtfire. 88 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:07.600 That one comes later. I cannot break out the the 89 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:10.800 Dame Maggie Smith accent. This early in the show. My 90 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:12.920 down to yeah. 91 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:16.839 My husband does a good Dame Maggie. He does Dame 92 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:20.439 Maggie impersonation. Oh yeah, because his his favorite quote from 93 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.240 Downton is when she says, what is a weekend? 94 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:29.519 Right? 95 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:32.360 Every day is a weekend for the dowager countess? Right? 96 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:32.800 Yeah? 97 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:35.040 What was funny? 98 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:35.759 Wait? 99 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:38.360 Let me see if I'm missing People are saying, hi 100 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.720 to be a triz. Hey, Debbie Blair is here and 101 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:43.680 g T s y what does that mean again? 102 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:44.639 Good to see? 103 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:49.759 What's okay? Thank you? I don't have time. I'm doing 104 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:58.399 the show here. That was my Scottish? Was that all right? 105 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:00.480 How good to me? 106 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:04.120 Okay, there you go. No no rating on that. And 107 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:06.199 look who's here? The legend oo. 108 00:07:08.199 --> 00:07:13.240 Pay handsome twice sweety wow yep. 109 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.120 Freezing his ass out there today and. 110 00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:18.160 It was seventeen degrees. 111 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.199 We were out there for two hours from ten to twenty. 112 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:30.240 Gosh, oh, I don't miss that. I do not miss 113 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:36.199 the cold from up there. Good miss, No way, she's. 114 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:40.319 Talking about you right there. I don't miss the heat 115 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.040 in Texas, So I'll take the I can always put 116 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:44.160 on clothes, you. 117 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.839 Know what, you can only get so naked. It's true, 118 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:47.759 you know, like. 119 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:50.319 Yeah, if you don't dress them for the weather. You're 120 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:52.839 going to be cold, and you can just go to 121 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.279 the local outlet and get all the stuff you need 122 00:07:55.360 --> 00:08:02.519 to be warm. Yeah, all right, uh, yes, this is correct, 123 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:06.839 This is correct. Everybody should be seeing what this girl 124 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.439 doing and she about to break it off on you tonight. 125 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:14.759 Oh oh, everybody's so nice. Thanks. 126 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:20.319 You know, the calling all beings family. I mean when 127 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:21.720 you got mobs like I got. 128 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:26.600 Come on, yeah, I'm not absolutely all. 129 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.720 Right, So we're going to get up into it. We 130 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:31.800 will say hello to you as we can. The band 131 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:35.559 via Oh I like it. Yeah, I love Grace, Thank you. 132 00:08:36.600 --> 00:08:39.679 She's an angel. She should do. You should be doing 133 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:41.519 audio books. Have you thought of that, Grace. 134 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.360 I have thought about it. I've been approached about it before, 135 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.360 but it's just never been I just haven't had an opportunity. 136 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.720 Everything's been so crazy with the baby and you know, 137 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.960 and my daughter getting ready to go off to college, 138 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.679 that there just hasn't been a good time. So maybe 139 00:08:58.679 --> 00:08:59.639 it's something all pursue. 140 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:06.919 An amazing voice, and you know, just throw a compliment 141 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:07.440 out there. 142 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.320 What I love about what you do is not only 143 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.720 is it visual, it's you write things down so it's 144 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:14.000 like you. 145 00:09:14.399 --> 00:09:16.279 It appeals to different learners. 146 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:21.919 Right, thank you so much, captivating, Thank you, who knows 147 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:22.159 to you? 148 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:23.360 That's amazing work. 149 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:25.919 Thank you. 150 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:29.519 I've actually had people saying that they would pay me 151 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:34.799 not to to do audio books. So what's up? 152 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:37.600 Oh, thank you? 153 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:41.120 Cursing nursy. And we have a. 154 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:44.919 Special greeting that we give to Deborah because she is 155 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.360 from Franklin, home of Dean College, and it is the 156 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:55.120 Los Angeles gangster greeting, which is what's up homes? All right, 157 00:09:57.720 --> 00:10:04.399 my best gag man, what's up homes? Anyway? All right? 158 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.279 I think we've gotten to everybody. Please let me know 159 00:10:07.279 --> 00:10:10.360 if we miss you, because oh, miss Mary Milocke's here. 160 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:15.320 Good afternoon, Mary Milockey. So I think we got everyone, 161 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:19.720 will get started. Christina's here and then you're never you 162 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:23.559 never late girlfriend, And well we will because whenever you 163 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:25.480 get here, or if you get here on the replayer, 164 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.559 you don't get here at all, it's you know, it's 165 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:29.480 all good. We don't. We don't count them up like that. 166 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:34.080 So what we aim to do tonight is Grace has 167 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.639 done a number of different investigations. Tonight she may have 168 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.480 something visually that she wants to present, which she can 169 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:45.360 do on the present icon at the bottom of your screen. 170 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.919 You can share screen there and just put it on 171 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:52.440 a different tab. So if you click that present, you 172 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:54.519 can do that and you can just share a tab 173 00:10:54.679 --> 00:10:57.120 and then and then we'll we'll all go to the 174 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.919 side and it'll be and then for that if anybody 175 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.240 having trouble reading that, if you go to full screen 176 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.519 on your stream yard here, you'll be able to really 177 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:09.240 read it. It does block out the chat for that 178 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:14.639 period of time, but grace and tell what's going down, 179 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:15.879 what's your latest business? 180 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.840 Well, so I think that things have really amped up. 181 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:22.559 When I first started the channel, my plan was just 182 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:26.039 to read the documents out loud for the people who 183 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.440 didn't have the opportunity to be reading them. And then 184 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:34.840 I started kind of dipping into analysis, and those were 185 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.039 the videos that started to get a lot of positive feedback. 186 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.480 And I was like, all right, we need to give 187 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.120 the people what they want, and so I kind of 188 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:49.159 let my inner researcher loose and just started really examining 189 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:54.440 the data that we had very closely, and also conducting 190 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:59.240 experiments with the resources that we have, which is mostly 191 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.879 Toddler toy and you know, diaper boxes and Amazon boxes 192 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.360 and just trying to like recreate things as best I could. 193 00:12:07.639 --> 00:12:10.279 And I was able to make the scaled model, and 194 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.799 that's when I started noticing just like different angles and 195 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:18.480 stuff that really made it clear that certain things that 196 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.519 some of the people in the house that night were 197 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:23.879 saying could not have been true, Like it just it 198 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:28.360 wasn't aligning with what I was seeing. And so but 199 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.799 it was one of those things where like, I'm sure 200 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:36.320 that somebody who's more mathematically inclined than I am probably 201 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.200 would have known that, just you know, by theoretically looking 202 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:43.039 at it. But I'm more like what you were saying, 203 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.440 Beatrice about the different types of learners, I'm much more 204 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:50.279 of a visual need to kind of have my hands 205 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.200 on it and manipulate it and see it for myself. 206 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:58.919 And so the more that I started interacting with the data, 207 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.799 the more I was like, good Lord, Like there are things, 208 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:05.039 there are things that are severely wrong with this situation, 209 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.440 and quite frankly, I should not be the one pointing 210 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:13.080 this out to the defense, you know, like like where 211 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:15.519 is the FBI, where are the experts? Like why in 212 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.720 the world should you know? And nobody in Texas be 213 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:21.600 the one that's pointing these things out, you know, it 214 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:26.720 just it baffles me. But then I found an old 215 00:13:26.799 --> 00:13:29.399 iPhone this week that I forgot that we even owned. 216 00:13:30.440 --> 00:13:34.360 That's when I really kicked up the experiments. So, I 217 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:36.879 mean the iPhone went into the freezer to see what 218 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.240 the battery drainage would be. And the iPhone has been 219 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:45.240 in it's been nestled into four different Faraday bags, like 220 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:47.360 one into the next and to the next and to 221 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:47.840 the next. 222 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:48.240 Wow. 223 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:52.480 I mean I have tried so many I've tried putting 224 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.679 it in a like an air tight container to see 225 00:13:55.840 --> 00:14:00.639 if the barometric pressure impacted its ability to calculate eight steps. 226 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:05.720 I mean, that poor phone has been just knocked around 227 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:10.399 like crazy. So it's it's been wild. But I do 228 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.960 I do have three discoveries that I've kind of alluded 229 00:14:15.039 --> 00:14:19.000 to on Twitter recently, so like if you've been keeping 230 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.879 up on Twitter, then you may have seen it. But 231 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.039 three more things that have been discovered just since I've 232 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:30.120 had access to the iPhone. And like you were saying, 233 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.600 I can do the share, I can figure it out, 234 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:37.000 Like it's You've been so kind to me. You speak 235 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:40.639 of me as though I you know, I'm extremely knowledgeable 236 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:43.519 and techy, and the truth of the matter is, like 237 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.000 I don't even know how to turn on the Xbox station, 238 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.679 Like I always have to have my daughter like get 239 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:50.600 the remote, and I'm like, but just how do you 240 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.080 make it put on Netflix? Please? Like I don't know 241 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:57.080 how to use this gamer controller to make the TV work, 242 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:58.039 Like come on, Well. 243 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.360 But let me say something about that, grace, because there 244 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:04.120 are a lot of detectives pre twenty first century that 245 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:07.679 did a lot of incredible work that had no technology whatsoever. 246 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:12.559 So that's not necessarily The key is that you have 247 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:15.799 to be a tech genius to do a very analytical, 248 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:19.840 you know, experiment. You know, obviously Carthurne, you know Arthur 249 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:24.159 Conan Doyle how was a scientist himself and had no 250 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:26.919 techt you know. But so I think that's what I'm 251 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:29.360 speaking to when you do not necessarily that you're a 252 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:34.080 but you've decided to analyze certain things about how the 253 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:38.720 iPhone collects and transmits data, when it does so, how 254 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.279 and when the Apple Watch the model that he had 255 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:46.799 collects and transmits data to the phone. All these sorts 256 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:51.080 of things are integral to understanding what happened and people 257 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.080 have not done that work. Certainly obviously the police didn't 258 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.559 do it on purpose, you know, but the maybe the 259 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:00.279 defense hasn't done some of that work. 260 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:06.440 Yeah, it's it's true. And you know, I feel bad 261 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:09.879 saying this because I know that this was an important 262 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:15.919 thing that the defense hypothesized. But remember when they kind 263 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:19.279 of walked Jen McCabe into the scenario about what do 264 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:23.480 you do if you lose your phone? And she I 265 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:26.120 really don't think that she was expecting that question at all, 266 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:30.919 and all of her she'd been so hostile and so 267 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:35.840 aggressive until that moment when it all fell away and 268 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:40.919 she seemed so genuinely puzzled that I thought this means 269 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:46.600 something like to me, it was almost an indication that 270 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:50.440 the defense was on the wrong trail in that moment 271 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:54.759 because she wasn't being hostile and protective over it. And 272 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.639 that's what really got me thinking, like, Okay, even though 273 00:16:58.679 --> 00:17:03.000 it makes sense in this moment that she'd be trying to, 274 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:06.160 you know, call and track down the phone, I don't 275 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:09.039 think that's what happened, because her reaction was just so 276 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:14.039 unusual compared to everything else that we'd seen from her. 277 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.359 So then it was like, Okay, well, then what was 278 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.599 happening to the phone, Like, if it wasn't Jen calling 279 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:25.880 and trying to locate it, what was going on? And honestly, 280 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:30.599 I think that what was happening was even easier than 281 00:17:30.960 --> 00:17:33.680 what we've hypothesized. I think that they were just trying 282 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:40.279 to reset the timeline and trying to kind of act natural, like, Okay, well, 283 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:42.400 what would you have done if he wasn't here? Oh 284 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.720 I guess I probably would have called him a couple times, 285 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:48.640 maybe sent a few texts, Oh good, do that. But then, 286 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.960 like I think that it just they kind of forgot 287 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:57.240 how to act natural, you know, they just it turned 288 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:01.160 into too much, too excessively, and it made it look strange. 289 00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:03.920 But I think that there could have been a secondary 290 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:08.039 gain of trying to drain his battery can sit by, 291 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.039 you know, because by then the phone was already out 292 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.839 on the lawn. And that was what one of my 293 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:19.759 experiments this week was demonstrating, like literally, is there any 294 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:26.319 way to fool the accelerometer in the phone beyond? Like 295 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:28.599 we know when you put your phone in a shopping 296 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.240 cart or when it's in the baby stroller and it's rolling, 297 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:34.279 and it's so frustrating when you don't get credit for 298 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.559 all of your steps, and it's like, gosh, darn it, 299 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:39.680 I just, you know, walk two miles and now I'm 300 00:18:39.759 --> 00:18:43.799 not even getting a credit put And so like know that, 301 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.359 you know, there are ways that we can minimize, but 302 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:50.440 are there ways that we can guarantee that there would 303 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:55.119 not be a single stray step registered. I tried like 304 00:18:55.279 --> 00:19:01.079 fifteen different experiments and nothing was fool proof. Absolutely nothing. 305 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.359 So I feel like we have to conclude that when 306 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:09.200 that phone went out the door at twelve thirty one 307 00:19:09.440 --> 00:19:12.359 and landed where it did, that was it like the 308 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:16.759 phone was out there until John's body was reunited with it. 309 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.319 I don't think anything else could have happened, Like I 310 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:25.279 have crossed out every other thing that could have potentially 311 00:19:25.359 --> 00:19:26.839 impacted it. You know. 312 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:28.759 You know, one thing, a couple of things that didn't 313 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.319 take into account for. One thing is that his if 314 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:37.000 they were concerned with the uh, if they were concerned 315 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.920 with draining the battery, his body was probably keeping the 316 00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:43.480 battery warm. That's one thing. Yeah, But what drains the 317 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:47.599 battery more than the temperature to a certain point is 318 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.880 the usage. If you have multiple tabs open, and if 319 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.160 you have multiple things that it's drawing on right and 320 00:19:56.279 --> 00:19:59.160 things it's doing, Like if you're doing your posting on 321 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.440 Twitter or Instagram or something like that, and you have 322 00:20:02.880 --> 00:20:05.799 Facebook open, and that's updating and that's giving you alerts 323 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:08.960 and messages. So that's what they didn't count on, is 324 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:11.960 the act. The lack of activity. The phone was their enemy. 325 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:16.039 But they're so stupid anyway, So that's well. 326 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:20.079 And that's the other thing we saw through the messages 327 00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:22.839 that Karen and John were exchanging earlier in the day. 328 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:27.720 John he was very good about responding, but he was 329 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.920 also very good about setting boundaries and limits. There became 330 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:33.440 a point in the evening where he said, you know, 331 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:36.559 I've arrived at the bar, I'm turning off my phone. 332 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:40.039 I'm not answering calls, like I'm going to focus on 333 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:43.160 the people that are in front of me. So when 334 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.599 there's someone who has that kind of attitude, it really 335 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:52.519 shows that he he probably is also not going to 336 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:55.240 be engaging very much with the phone for the remainder 337 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:58.680 of the night, and therefore his battery probably started out 338 00:20:59.519 --> 00:21:02.359 like pretty high. I think that the it was probably 339 00:21:02.480 --> 00:21:09.200 pretty charged, like maybe ninety five percent or thereabouts. So, 340 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:14.400 like you were saying, when the body rejoined the phone, 341 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:20.559 And honestly, it is the most ironic thing because it's 342 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.799 like the worst thing that could have happened for the 343 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:29.400 true culprits, because it did shield the phone and protect 344 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:33.160 it from all that excessive drainage. But the thing of 345 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:38.599 it is why has in either the FBI or whomever 346 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:41.839 is in charge of analyzing these phones. You can look 347 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:48.200 and see how the drainage on the battery is like excessive, excessive, excessive, 348 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.079 you know, from twelve thirty to say three thirty am 349 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:55.839 or whenever it was. And then once his body rejoins it, 350 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:01.640 it's gonna, you know, like drain less it. The excessive 351 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.079 draining is going to be reduced and we're going to 352 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:08.799 see that battery activity change. And to me, I'm like, well, jeez, 353 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:11.640 they can figure out, they have the info to figure 354 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:15.440 out exactly when the body arrived on the lawn, Like 355 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:18.279 why haven't they or maybe they have and they haven't, 356 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:19.920 They just haven't told us, you know. 357 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:25.160 So well, yeah, because we can't. I'm sorry, bea go ahead, 358 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:25.599 I'm sorry, but. 359 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:28.039 You no, I just said, that's a good point. Yeah, 360 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:29.880 well said god, I love it. 361 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:30.240 Right. 362 00:22:30.480 --> 00:22:32.440 We can't, Yeah, we can't assume that they don't have it, 363 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:34.839 because there's a what is it, one thousand and seventy 364 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.440 four pages that we have no idea what's in there? 365 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:43.599 Other than what three thousand and seventy four off by 366 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.079 only two thousand, I mean, come on, give or take 367 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:52.000 two thousand, you know. So yeah, there's three thousand pages 368 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.400 of information that we have no idea what's in there. 369 00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:59.599 And also, do you remember that Meatball Meetball Norc. This 370 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:01.359 has got to stop. 371 00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:01.640 Stop. 372 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:06.920 I'm doing the Will Blair's impression of him, which I love, 373 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.480 is that if you remember, he was emailing them to say, hey, 374 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:14.519 what else have you guys got? Trying to troll as 375 00:23:14.559 --> 00:23:16.240 if they were going to give him something that would 376 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:18.880 implicate him like fat boy. Come on, man, you think 377 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:19.839 these guys are stupid? 378 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:21.640 Seriously? Thank you? 379 00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:28.519 Yes? And uh so they likely have more information, well 380 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:32.599 I shouldn't say likely, They most certainly have a lot 381 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:35.519 more information on that phone. The fact that the hash 382 00:23:35.640 --> 00:23:39.160 values they know that, they know that Jennifer McCabe deleted 383 00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.480 that search and all those sorts of things. 384 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:46.000 So yeah, well you know, and that's another another thing. 385 00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:50.480 And I'm not an iPhone user, so playing around with 386 00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.119 this phone. This week has been quite the adventure for 387 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:57.079 me because, like I said, I'm not technologically inclined, and 388 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.519 so I didn't know, like is it easy to delete 389 00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:02.680 a call? Is it hard? Like how you know for 390 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.240 somebody who's literally a brand new to this interface, what's 391 00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:10.480 it going to take? Within like five seconds, I'd figured 392 00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:12.359 out how to delete calls. I mean, it was so 393 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:17.519 ridiculously easy. The thing of it is, although it's true 394 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.480 that it only displays the one hundred most recent calls 395 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.119 if you delete, like I just deleted five calls just 396 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:31.039 and it filled in with the five previous like it 397 00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:34.359 backfilled with the older calls, and so I was like, well, 398 00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:38.839 those aren't deleted, they're just not visible. So the idea 399 00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:42.720 that those calls had been marked as deleted from jen 400 00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.200 to me. Either it's a like a semantics like I 401 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:48.680 can't quite tell there's something going on there, but I 402 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:53.640 feel like we've been lied to about that because or 403 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.839 like like partially lied like, yes, the phone can only 404 00:24:58.000 --> 00:25:02.119 hold one hundred number in the most recent calls, like 405 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.920 that part is true, but they didn't continue the sentence 406 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.599 on to say, however, you can still access everything else 407 00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:12.400 and it's also not marked as deleted, like they're just 408 00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:16.200 they're just being sneaky, I guess is the best way 409 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:16.640 to put it. 410 00:25:17.200 --> 00:25:20.079 They are and it makes you it makes you sick 411 00:25:20.160 --> 00:25:24.759 that they're trying to play defense. The whole thing is 412 00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:30.000 so sick because they are playing defense attorney for the perpetrators. 413 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:34.799 Yeah, it makes no sense, and it's it is just 414 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:39.519 it's so unfortunate that the taxpayers of Massachusetts are now 415 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:46.480 being forced to contribute to this witch hunt, like financially 416 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:50.880 and then also having to you know, pony up money 417 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.480 on the opposite side, if they choose to donate to 418 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:58.160 the defense fund, they're like having to contribute against their 419 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:03.319 will to the persecut and that doesn't sit well. You know, 420 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.240 that's not fair that they should have that on their shoulders. 421 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:08.400 That's not justice. 422 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:13.000 And the fact that the Celebrate report confirms all this 423 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:19.960 information and Celebrate is what's used you right, and now 424 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.920 all of a sudden, in this particular case, it's not reliable, 425 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:24.519 Like what's up with that? 426 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.720 Like that shouldn't be a thing. Well, and it's like, 427 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.720 why in the world would you want to destroy the 428 00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.799 reputation of Celebrate when you need it for the Lindsey 429 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.960 Clancy case when you need it for the Brian Walsh case, Like, 430 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:40.559 what are you? 431 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:40.799 Like? 432 00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.359 If I were any of Adam Lawley's colleagues, I'd be like, 433 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.799 what are you doing? Like you're messing up all of 434 00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:48.839 our cases with this. 435 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.039 And just to make one more point, why do we 436 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.359 see that all of Karen's calls were not deleted and 437 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:00.960 all of were like how Like doesn't that just kind 438 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:04.720 of give you Yeah, Like, it's just sad changed. 439 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:09.799 That the person who should, theoretically, if it was true, 440 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:13.039 should have been the one you're reading, never deleted any. 441 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:17.960 Of them exactly. And if Karen had made a search 442 00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.880 at twenty seven how long to Die in Cold, then 443 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:26.799 Celebrate would be on Armageddon exactly. Yep, yep. 444 00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:29.440 So I want to answer this. I want to answer 445 00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:30.960 this one for Valhalla. 446 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:31.400 Law So. 447 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.240 Olivia Lambo at Olivia Lambo on Twitter is the authority 448 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.920 for this, and she explained hash values on Sean McDonough's 449 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:46.880 Live that she did with him, which was outstanding. I 450 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.160 would love to get her on this show just because 451 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:53.440 the work she's done is quite unique in our space, 452 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.720 because like Grace, she has the ability to break down 453 00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:03.200 this complex information to an understandable way. So my understanding 454 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.319 is they do not have a genuine extraction that has 455 00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:11.799 hash values for John's phone and for Jennifer McCabe's phone, 456 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:15.359 is my understanding. So what they got with the Celebrate 457 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:18.799 report shows that it's been deleted, but they got that 458 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:24.720 one guy Ian Witten or Wiffin from Canada to say, 459 00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:26.680 who used to work for them and now has his 460 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.759 own company or whatever, to say that, oh, yeah, it's 461 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.000 not clear that she deleted those. So as far as 462 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:36.440 the battery rate, I don't know. That would be a 463 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.920 question that we can and I will get back to 464 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.920 you on that Valhalla law. I will ask Olivia that specifically. 465 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:48.480 So if you message me on whatever medium on our 466 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.119 I'll put our email in the chat. But it's calling 467 00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:57.599 all beings the numeral one at Gmail, calling all beings 468 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:00.799 the numeral one at Gmail, and I'll try to get 469 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.119 that answer, because I think now we want to now 470 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:04.839 that Grace has brought it up, we kind of want 471 00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:09.359 to know about that. Let's get this other question that 472 00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:18.720 John had for you. Somebody reads it out loud. 473 00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.920 Is there anyway Okay, let's see, is there any way 474 00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:28.279 that they could get into John's personal phone and Ring 475 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:34.559 Camera from his work computer. That's a very good question, 476 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.920 and that would be something that I feel like an 477 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.200 iPhone person, an iPhone user, would have more knowledge about. 478 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.480 I am a Ring Camera user. I have never and 479 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.799 I've had Ring Camera since twoenty seventeen, and I've never 480 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.279 never used a computer to log into it, and I've 481 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.680 I wouldn't even know how, I've only had it on 482 00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:06.200 my phone and I don't even know how to delete 483 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.359 videos that it's recorded from it. I feel like the 484 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:19.319 average user. I think it's completely like fantasyland to for 485 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:24.000 them to accuse Karen of never having interacted with Ring 486 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.240 and then to race up to John's office and to 487 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.640 log into his computer and sign on to Ring and 488 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.519 to delete the like how Like I've been a user 489 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.000 of this program forever and I can't figure it out, 490 00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.240 and I've never logged in from a computer. How do 491 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.200 we expect her to do that in two minutes? Like 492 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.839 It's it's not realistic. But could somebody with experience and 493 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:49.640 access to his work computer. Perhaps I don't know. 494 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.920 And that's even saying that they he downloaded in his 495 00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.119 work I mean, I know, like a lot of workplaces 496 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:56.960 don't allow you to just download. 497 00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:58.519 That's a good point. 498 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:02.000 Yeah, they have firewall, and right there's a block on 499 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:08.359 external websites only like employee approved, you know, company approved websites. 500 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.720 So I mean that's also and I think so I do. 501 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:13.799 I have deleted videos from ring. 502 00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:19.880 It is not that hard to do, however, because every 503 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.200 time you go into view like a live you can 504 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:26.160 see that it creates that you know, live view. 505 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.440 It is fairly easy to delete. But again it's if 506 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.319 you have if you use the app. 507 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.519 I mean, I've only done the app, But I agree 508 00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:39.200 with you. I mean, it's definitely I mean that that's 509 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.440 a valid question. We just don't know that he had 510 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.880 that downloaded his work computer, if it was even allowed. 511 00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.720 But I think for most people that use your phone, 512 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:50.359 your iPhone is what you use. 513 00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:59.480 But yes, Sue Sponte, that mirror feature that you're talking about, uh, 514 00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:10.119 the Suisponte, the the the that right there, that feature 515 00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.680 obviously wasn't available two years ago. That's the newest. I 516 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.960 don't know if it's iOS fifteen or sixteen that that's available. 517 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:20.480 So but that's a good point. That's a good point. 518 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.599 I just they would have had to get access. I 519 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.319 don't need because if you go on this line of thinking, 520 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:33.240 then the FBI could have gotten Tom Kellerhurst, but they 521 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.039 would have needed they would have needed a court order 522 00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:39.279 from a judge, and they would have had had probable 523 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.319 cause to try to get And if they did get that, 524 00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.839 I mean, that would prove that John Wynn in the 525 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:48.279 house as a minimum, that would have proved that Karen 526 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.640 wasn't getting So I think I think they would have 527 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.839 already prevented this from happening if they had that level 528 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.480 of proof. Would you would anybody dis on the panel? 529 00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:03.640 It is so hard to know, is is the FBI 530 00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.400 giving them enough rope to hang themselves? Like I just 531 00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.839 keep wondering, is that why they're letting this go on 532 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.559 as long as it is to just to see just 533 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.039 how far and how deep the corruption is? Are they 534 00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.599 just kind of letting them run with it and kind 535 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:23.240 of dig their own graves or what like? I just 536 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.519 I don't know, what are your thoughts? 537 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:27.960 You go first? 538 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:32.839 Yeah, I mean the thing is we know that the 539 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:36.799 FBI has a great success rate in you know, the 540 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:41.000 work they do, so but I mean, what's great about 541 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:42.200 like what you do? 542 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:45.799 And you know it's really showing. 543 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:49.759 You know, simplifying things, and I think they just there's 544 00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.960 so many different things off of this main story that 545 00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:58.119 it's like we need things to be simplified, and it's 546 00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:01.240 like it's just amazing. I can't say it enough, Like 547 00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.400 what you're the work you're doing, please keep doing it 548 00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.519 and don't sell yourself short and say I'm not technical, 549 00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:12.199 because it's just not maybe not computer technical, but what 550 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.599 you're doing is a technical thing and you're showing a 551 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.079 simplified version of and things that maybe I mean, the 552 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.360 defense didn't think about, or maybe they did, and there's 553 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.440 reasons why they didn't bring it up. But for us 554 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:29.159 people that have analyzed this trial and all the you 555 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.760 know all the facts, and it's just it's amazing to 556 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.519 see it visually. So sorry if I ran off on 557 00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:36.440 a ransom. 558 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:40.320 No, I'm so great. Well, I appreciate your feedback so much. 559 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:40.679 I do. 560 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.000 I want to thank train four four four, Thank you 561 00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.199 so much for the supersticker. And I must stay and 562 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:49.440 we are going to get to your question. So if 563 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:52.679 you if you have a question, put a stat we'll 564 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.199 put a stack there and we'll get back to it. 565 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.480 And I think the question that you wanted to get 566 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.519 my opinion on how to do with the FB. Was 567 00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:04.519 that what it was? I think you were asking me? 568 00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:05.360 Yeah? 569 00:35:05.440 --> 00:35:11.519 Yeah, So essentially, what what I am thinking that their 570 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:17.679 modus operandi is from other cases is that they will 571 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.599 obviously they have put their foot in the door here, 572 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:24.760 and then they kind of remove their foot and remove 573 00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:27.079 their foot, meaning they let the trial go on, the 574 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:29.280 jury came to a conclusion, and now there's going to 575 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:33.480 be a reprosecution because of the hung jury. So what 576 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.320 I'm what I'm thinking that they're doing here is that 577 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:40.559 they are going to allow these people like uh, supposedly. 578 00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:45.280 Chris Albert responded to me and others on Twitter the 579 00:35:45.320 --> 00:35:48.519 other day. Real people that believe is Chris Albert and 580 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:51.280 he said, I'm I'm you know, I'm sitting here. I'm 581 00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.679 going outside, kick the ball around with my kids. You know, 582 00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:57.000 we're going my pool. I'm waiting for I keep hearing 583 00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.760 the Feds are coming. Uh, when's that going to be? 584 00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.760 Like twenty I'm going to go enjoy myself. And then 585 00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.760 he took a shot at at me and the show 586 00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.440 or something. Oh, I posted one of my Air Force 587 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.440 buddies came to town and he said something you know, 588 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.079 and I posted a photo of us right after the show. 589 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:17.519 I beat feet last Sunday to go meet him for dinner, 590 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.239 and he goes, who gives a f which you have 591 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:24.360 to say or something like that. So, if I were them, 592 00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:27.360 and I operate the way that they do, allow these 593 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.400 people the grace to feel like they can just keep 594 00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:35.639 doing what they're doing. Let Jen McCabe keep texting police officers, 595 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:44.440 keep intertwining Da Morrissey and Detective Tully and whomever up. 596 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:49.159 Maybe there's other judges that they have, you know, maybe 597 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.440 they are up on his phone. I don't know. But 598 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.119 let's see how far that this can go and how 599 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.559 many people we can rope in under the guise of 600 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.440 denying her her civil rights and public corruption, of which 601 00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:07.800 they just arrested a person who's on the what was 602 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:13.440 she on, the Massachusetts State Assembly something or Boston City 603 00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:17.960 I think Boston City Council, City council, Yeah, Boston City Council. 604 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:22.400 So I would think that they would allow this to 605 00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:25.119 continue and just see how far it goes and how 606 00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:27.800 many people will just say, oh, we're not in danger, 607 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.960 let's just keep doing it. You see Brian Albert, you 608 00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.599 don't hear a word from him. He doesn't come on Twitter, 609 00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.079 he doesn't do anything. He doesn't text anybody, call anybody. 610 00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.079 He reportedly, according to my sources in Canton, he uses 611 00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.360 the SAT phone, and SAT phones are super duper expensive 612 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:48.639 because he's afraid if he goes and he gets a 613 00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.199 burner that they're going to get up on that burner. 614 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.840 So if he uses a SAT phone, you know, but 615 00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:58.400 every message in every call is quite expensive. So I 616 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.800 think that's probably what they're doing. 617 00:38:01.400 --> 00:38:02.039 Yeah, because. 618 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.440 Because they're in the case, right they show up, Yeah, 619 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.639 that they're in the case. They haven't arrested anybody yet 620 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.440 because they're not arresting somebody for murder. I mean, they 621 00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:15.840 don't have evidence that somebody murdered somebody that we know of, 622 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.840 but they they may have evidence that somebody was. There's 623 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.639 public corruption in terms of these absolute morons at the 624 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.239 DA's office and in the State Police Department department over 625 00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.320 there and with the uh you know that they're denying 626 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:34.880 this woman her civil rights because they gave them three 627 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:38.079 thousand pages of information and pardon it, they gave the 628 00:38:38.480 --> 00:38:41.719 double bird and said we're prosecuting her anyway, which is 629 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:43.760 just ridiculous. 630 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:48.079 It just you know, and you think to yourself, like, 631 00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.119 how can this happen in our country? And you know, 632 00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:54.360 I think I feel like and I just recently made 633 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:57.519 a post on Fitter about this. We you know, we 634 00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:59.760 start to tell ourselves, Okay, well she won't. I mean, 635 00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:03.000 there's no way she can get convicted. There's no way. 636 00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:08.400 And yet Sandy Melgar here in Texas was in a 637 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:14.599 very similar situation and was convicted without any physical evidence 638 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:21.760 and a boatload of exculptory evidence, and they still convicted her, 639 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.719 and to this day she remains in prison. Not even 640 00:39:25.840 --> 00:39:31.440 Kathleen Zelmner could get her sorted out. And so, and 641 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.599 this is a woman who'd had a double hip replacement 642 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:39.719 and rheumatoid arthritis. She was confined to a wheelchair most 643 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.360 of the time and sometimes a can. And they're trying 644 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:47.400 to say that she murdered her husband, like by stabbing 645 00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:52.199 him to death, and yet she had no defensive wounds 646 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.840 on herself and no blood on her and had somehow 647 00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:57.199 locked herself in the closet and tied herself up Like 648 00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:58.840 that makes no sense whatsoever. 649 00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:02.280 You know, you brought up like three cases on the 650 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:06.119 phone with me that people could that I could not believe. 651 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.400 And Grace had pointed out like three cases like and 652 00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.639 said these people were convicted. I was like, what when 653 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.679 she told me the story, what I want to say 654 00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:17.559 about this case that Look, who's just come into the studio. 655 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:22.639 It's harah haarrah. You my daughter, do not belong in here. 656 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.760 You're eating all the other cat's food and now you 657 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:32.840 look like three chubby black panthers instead of trench coat. Okay, 658 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.559 so this is the thing first of all, before we 659 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:39.159 before I talk about about what I think and why, 660 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.000 let's reckon Beatrice. Can you please give a shout out right. 661 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:48.119 Here if anyone who ambulance driver, supersticker. 662 00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.880 Thank you, thank you so much for the twenty dollars, 663 00:40:51.079 --> 00:40:55.639 Like Mike Procda, I really appreciate you. That's extremely, extremely 664 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.079 kind and generous. And you guys are like every they 665 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:03.679 are man, they're like, let me take the tick off 666 00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:05.760 just because it's bothering me. It's going right across of 667 00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:10.440 Grace's ear butt staff. All right. So, So what I 668 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:13.559 think is gonna happen if this trial actually comes off 669 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.519 the next time, is I think it will be another 670 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:19.960 hung jury. People that think she's gonna be acquitted. I 671 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.760 do not see that in no way no, how Now 672 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.199 what am I basing that on? First of all, I'm 673 00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:28.440 basing it on America because we can't agree on anything. 674 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.360 I look up, I say the sky's blue, and someone says, 675 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:35.039 I don't know, it looks teel to me. So if 676 00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.840 we can't agree on anything there, So that's one reason. 677 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.679 So just the nature of America, no matter how great 678 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.559 a case they put on the New York Laya and 679 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:49.679 the guy from California who's really from Texas, Alan Jackson, 680 00:41:50.239 --> 00:41:52.280 they're gonna there are people that are just gonna not 681 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:55.559 like them the way that Bev does, these towny type morons, 682 00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.199 because it really doesn't matter. They could be from Pluto, 683 00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:01.440 it doesn't matter. If they they have the evidence and 684 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:08.559 all the behaviors, a prosecution would absolutely destroy every single 685 00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:11.960 Mcalbert in this place in this case, and you know, 686 00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:16.480 obviously Jen McCabe and others because of all the guilty 687 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:19.760 the police would just rip them apart with all the 688 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.840 guilty behaviors. Why did you do this? That sounds that 689 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.119 sounds like totally guilty behaviors to us. But because they're 690 00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:29.960 friendly with them, and because Bev rented a house to 691 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:33.280 the Nagles on the Cape, they just let it all go. 692 00:42:33.800 --> 00:42:36.880 So that's one thing. The other thing is is that 693 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.719 clearly the Alberts are going to go into court, They're 694 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.840 gonna id these people, and all that has to happen 695 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:47.599 is literally Brian pull up in his little Toyota Tacoma 696 00:42:48.239 --> 00:42:51.800 outside stopping shop where Kelleher and some of the jurors 697 00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.599 clearly shop, and then just sit there and look at 698 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.480 them as they come out with their shopping cart. That's it. 699 00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.280 Just has a real witness intimidation. 700 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:06.719 That is, without doing anything, just sit there and eyeball 701 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.480 one of these jurors and they're going to get the 702 00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:14.599 verdict they want because he's going to say, yeah, yeah, 703 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:18.400 I know who you are. And and not to mention, 704 00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:22.599 John Fanning was at the court, detective fans. You think 705 00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:25.719 he doesn't know those names? You think Brian Albert doesn't 706 00:43:25.800 --> 00:43:26.639 know those names? 707 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.360 Have you seen the video? I've done two videos about Fanning? 708 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.719 But did you see the second one that I did 709 00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:33.400 about Fanning? 710 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.440 Wait? Yes, go ahead, no please? 711 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.519 Well, so I have two videos about Fanning and the 712 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:46.840 second one it's it is disturbing, like it is really 713 00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.000 like and I've even put a content warning on it, 714 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:54.199 like only you watch this video if you really, if 715 00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:57.400 you don't have too tender of a heart, because some 716 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.440 of the stuff that he has allegedly done is so 717 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.599 terrible that it will haunt you. It will haunt the 718 00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.360 back corners of your mind forever. It is. It's the 719 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.519 kind of stuff you can't forget. And the fact that 720 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.920 he still is in power right now and has the 721 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.000 power to do the things that he's doing is very problematic. 722 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.360 We've gotten a litany of these, and we want to 723 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.519 say tonight for equity, we've gotten way too many. Beatrice 724 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:35.559 is beautiful, up and not enough. DJ's beautiful. So we've 725 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:42.079 got to bounce this out of her. Beatrice and I've 726 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.400 been planning for like two weeks. I'm like, we need more. 727 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:48.519 DJ's beautiful. I'm kidding, I'm totally kidding. All right, let's 728 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.840 get to some because there's so much good stuff here. 729 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:52.360 Let me see Sidallas. 730 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.800 Hey, you're referring to some of the stuff in Florida 731 00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:55.639 that has come out. 732 00:44:56.559 --> 00:45:01.760 Is that what you're to when he was on vacation? Right? 733 00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:02.280 Oh? 734 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.800 Yes, sorry, yes, yes, yes, okay, sorry, sorry, I just 735 00:45:05.880 --> 00:45:07.320 want to make I just want to make sure. 736 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.800 Yes, well, and yeah, there was the Florida stuff. But 737 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.079 then the major thing that I'm thinking of of what 738 00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:18.639 he did to the Florida friend. I think that happened 739 00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:23.679 back in Massachusetts. And whenever I picture that situation, I 740 00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:27.599 think of my dad in the role of the Florida friend, 741 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:29.960 and I picture someone doing that to my dad, and 742 00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:34.280 it just makes me want to cry and never stop. 743 00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:41.559 Like just the abuse of power is unbelievable, disgraceful, and 744 00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.960 it makes you worry for his own children. You know. 745 00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:49.159 Just listening to Jen McKay gives me the emotion you 746 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.000 just described, like, I literally can't listen to her. I 747 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.320 can't because there's something about the lying that she does. 748 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:01.639 I can't make it through her testimony. It's it's that bad. 749 00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.320 But anyway, would you read this one grace? 750 00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.639 Grace, you have alluded to a medium. Is there anything 751 00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.239 you can share about that? Do they confirm or disprove 752 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:18.039 your theories? DJ? Are you comfortable with me speaking briefly 753 00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.960 about briefly vaguely about that? 754 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.199 Yeah, I mean we can qualify you know, but yeah, 755 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.920 I mean you you point out some things that you 756 00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.079 believe that she could not have known, like the headstone. 757 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:37.320 And there so so the medium that I booked a 758 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:41.760 session with. Her name is Rochelle and she is she 759 00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:45.960 has a channel called the Psychic Sleuth, and I've been, 760 00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:47.960 you know, kind of keeping track of her for a 761 00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:55.079 few years and she has done some really powerful things, 762 00:46:55.320 --> 00:46:58.639 like some some things where it's just like wow, like 763 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.960 how did she know that that was exactly where that 764 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.199 body would be located, or exactly that this person would 765 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:08.639 be found safely, or I mean just all kinds of 766 00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:11.920 different things. In fact, during the session that she and 767 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:17.599 I had, she was telling me about Hannah Kobayashi. This 768 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:21.079 was during the time when Hanna Kobyashi was still missing 769 00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.480 and everyone was really worried about her. And in that session, 770 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:29.960 she said, you know, I keep seeing Hanna Kobayashi on 771 00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:32.920 a beach. Someone is putting a blanket around her, and 772 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:36.280 I feel like that's a symbol that she's safe. But 773 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.719 I'm really hesitant to speak out about that because I 774 00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:43.000 don't want to give people false hope that she's safe 775 00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.920 if it turns out that she's not. And like two 776 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:51.239 or three weeks later, wouldn't you know, Anna Kobyashi resurfaces 777 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.480 and she's safe, and I'm like, ohly brashall how do 778 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:59.119 you do this and the other thing? Like another example 779 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:03.320 during the session, it was the night before Thanksgiving when 780 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:08.360 I spoke to her. She kept saying, someone is going 781 00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:11.320 to be pulled out of the Charles River. There's gonna 782 00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:14.000 be there's it's going to be made to look like 783 00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:17.599 a drowning. It's going to be made to look like 784 00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:20.960 a suicide. Keep your eyes peeled on the news. Someone 785 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.679 is going to be pulled out of a river. And 786 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.239 she said it a couple times throughout and then she 787 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.159 like it was one of the final things that she 788 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:32.400 said at the very end of the conversation, and I, 789 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.119 you know, I tried to google a little bit, but 790 00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:37.639 then I kind of forgot about it until the other night. 791 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.639 Somebody sent a super chat into a turtle Boy. Were 792 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.119 you guys watching when this happened. Yeah, he starts reading 793 00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:48.559 this super chat that talks about how you know, oh, 794 00:48:48.920 --> 00:48:50.920 you know, it looks like a body was pulled out 795 00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.639 of the Charles River today and it you know, looks 796 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.280 like it might be a self offing, but it might 797 00:48:57.360 --> 00:48:59.039 have something to do with the police. And it was 798 00:48:59.159 --> 00:49:02.159 like it was like verbatim what Rochelle had said, and 799 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:09.000 I was like, goodness, so yeah, the thing of it is, 800 00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.159 I I went into the session, when I booked the 801 00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:19.480 session with her, I think that I was being a 802 00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.960 little bit like selfishly curious, like I just I just 803 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:26.199 really wanted to know, you know, I already I wasn't 804 00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:30.880 testing her abilities. I already had trust in her. I wasn't, 805 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.280 you know, withholding any information to see, like, you know, 806 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.320 is as real as it not. I I'd watched enough 807 00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:43.199 of her to believe that she has some sort of gift, 808 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:49.480 and so I was, you know, trying to close gaps 809 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:54.360 when possible. And there was one particular point there were 810 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.760 a few things that I didn't even realize until after 811 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:04.559 the fact that even were connections, like the headstone, because 812 00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:09.559 she kept saying throughout throughout the entire session, I feel 813 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.800 like I'm in a movie. This feels like a movie. 814 00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:14.880 I feel like I'm in a movie. And then lo 815 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:19.280 and behold on John's headstone. It says it's it's only 816 00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:21.760 a movie or it's just something like that, where I 817 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:26.719 was like what, And I mean, I feel like I've 818 00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:29.639 been immersed in this case and I didn't know that detail. 819 00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.639 So it's like, how would she you know, like, how 820 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:39.320 would she have known, so yeah, so there was yeah, yeah, 821 00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:43.199 and then like there there were a few other things, 822 00:50:44.000 --> 00:50:49.239 but the one thing that that really challenged me was 823 00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:54.000 I had an idea about how things had gone down 824 00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:56.800 I and I I was very proud of my idea, 825 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.920 like I had it worked out. Like I was like, Okay, 826 00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:03.440 I think what they did was, you know, they went 827 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.079 up the bulkhead steps. They probably put him on a 828 00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.360 tarp because you know, that would prevent the phone from 829 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.599 registering steps because you know, the shopping cart at Target 830 00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.719 doesn't register steps if you're sliding, And it would make 831 00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.360 sense because they'd cover up, like the weight of the 832 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:22.239 body would erase the steps in the snow. And you know, 833 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.199 so I had this really elaborate plan. And I asked her. 834 00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.199 I was like, are you seeing a tarp? And she's 835 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:33.199 like no, I'm like are you sure? Are you sure 836 00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:35.039 you're not seeing any But are you sure you're not 837 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.480 seeing anyone come up out of the bulkhead stairs And 838 00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:42.760 she's like nope. I'm like really, are you sure? Are 839 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:47.880 you sure? Are you sure? And she had she was 840 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:54.199 adamant that it happened differently, and I was like, well, geez, 841 00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:59.000 you know, like back to the drawing board, because I mean, 842 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:04.280 she was just so solid about that not being how 843 00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:09.440 it happened, and a few other details, and I was like, well, 844 00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:12.800 I mean, you know, I've I've got to I've got 845 00:52:12.880 --> 00:52:17.599 to rethink this, and so it forced me to think 846 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:21.880 of new ways that the pieces could fit together. But 847 00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:27.400 a lot of what she said was so personal about 848 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.400 Karen and John that even though I have the recording, 849 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.840 I don't I don't feel comfortable just putting it out 850 00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:41.079 there because it just I wanted Karen to have it, 851 00:52:41.159 --> 00:52:44.639 and DJ, I'm so grateful to you for helping to 852 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:50.159 get the video to Karen, because I really I wanted 853 00:52:50.320 --> 00:52:55.920 her to know that John knows that she didn't have 854 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:58.800 anything to do with it, that John is proud of 855 00:52:59.039 --> 00:53:04.840 her strength, that John wishes that he had honored her, 856 00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.039 had had seen and honored her strength more in this 857 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.000 lifetime when he had the opportunity to, and and that 858 00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.199 sense of feeling like he underestimated her, like that all 859 00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:21.800 of that is so powerful that I just I felt 860 00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:28.760 like that I don't I don't want to enrich myself 861 00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:33.480 from turning this, this beautiful moment into content, like this 862 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:36.639 is a this is something that needs to go to 863 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.480 the person that will cherish it the most, you know, 864 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:43.239 So I literally have chills after you just said. 865 00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:43.679 Like I keep. 866 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:49.519 Yeah, let's get this done right here. 867 00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:59.559 This because you could, you know, put it out the world. 868 00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.639 But well your too, him not out of this plot. 869 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:10.760 Well and honestly, for the Justice for Enrique movement, I 870 00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.559 almost feel like someone should set up a private consultation 871 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.639 with Rachelle for that because I think, I mean, given 872 00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:26.559 her track record, she comes up with great details and 873 00:54:26.719 --> 00:54:29.920 I think that that would really force the hand of 874 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:34.400 the state to kind of expedite what they're willing to 875 00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.559 reveal to the public if the public starts asking very 876 00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:43.800 pointed questions. Rochelle has gotten names before she got the name. 877 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:48.239 She got Richard Allen's name a full six months before 878 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:54.559 he was arrested. She's gotten other names. She got Quentin 879 00:54:54.679 --> 00:54:59.079 Simon's full name before he was born, and the fact 880 00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:03.119 that his demid would end up in a landfill. She 881 00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.119 she's really good, so she may be able to get 882 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:11.880 a name or who harmed Enrique. And wouldn't that scare 883 00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:15.119 the pants off the MSP if the public came to 884 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:18.199 them and said, tell us more about this person, you know, like, 885 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:22.320 what what do we need to know about this situation 886 00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:23.599 that that. 887 00:55:23.599 --> 00:55:27.599 Would be really that would be really really awesome in 888 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.719 regard to this. So this could be like Jen mccaybright here, 889 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:34.239 that's that's sweeting in do you know this to be 890 00:55:34.360 --> 00:55:35.159 true or not true? 891 00:55:36.679 --> 00:55:42.760 This is it's one of those things where Okay, So 892 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:46.559 the most recent video that I did talked a lot 893 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:51.239 about GPS and the flaws with GPS, And one thing 894 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:55.079 to keep in mind is back when everyone was using 895 00:55:55.199 --> 00:56:00.480 satellite TV, you never saw a dish direct TV mounted 896 00:56:00.519 --> 00:56:03.920 in someone's basement. You know, the directions are pretty clear 897 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:06.079 that it needs to be in the southern facing sky, 898 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.400 it needs to be unobstructed in a place where there's 899 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:11.880 not snow and ice. There are so many things that 900 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.880 get in the way of a GPS signal, including the 901 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:21.719 weather itself. So what happened on that night is that 902 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:27.360 by just sort of happenstance, I feel like, through a 903 00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:34.320 series of unfortunate events, we have documentation that the GPS 904 00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:41.280 was lagging behind Karen and John's actual locations because remember 905 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.440 it had them on like Pine Cone Road and like 906 00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:47.760 all of this, we were getting weird signals and that 907 00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:55.960 happens when there's something called multipath multipath multipath interference or 908 00:56:56.119 --> 00:57:00.400 something to that effect, and or multi signal some or other, 909 00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:05.400 and the weather itself can create these conditions because the 910 00:57:05.519 --> 00:57:09.519 snow particles are sort of diluting the strength of the 911 00:57:09.679 --> 00:57:12.719 signal and slowing it down. So I think that what 912 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:17.079 ended up happening is by the time John and Karen 913 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.960 arrived at Fairview, the GPS signal it hadn't caught up 914 00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.119 with them. But by the time it did catch up, 915 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:30.000 John was already inside the house and he was already 916 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:33.880 on his way down to the basement. So the GPS 917 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:38.800 satellites can't penetrate into the house and certainly not into 918 00:57:39.599 --> 00:57:43.280 the layers of concrete that create a basement, so it 919 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:48.440 had lost track of him. But the phone resurfaced outdoors 920 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:52.400 at twelve, you know, twelve thirty one, twelve thirty two, 921 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.559 and boom, everything lined back up. So it kind of 922 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:02.039 made him invisible for those moments, and we can use 923 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.719 the data that we have to demonstrate that that's how 924 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:10.280 it happened. The statement GPS data shows John o'keef never 925 00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:15.039 entered the house is sort of accurate, but that's because 926 00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:18.840 the GPS data was broken, you know, so like that's it. 927 00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:23.079 Signal signal is a true statement, but it's because there 928 00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:23.920 was a problem. 929 00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:28.119 There was a malfunction, So the signal is being was 930 00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:32.679 the signals being corrupted by both the atmospherics uh at 931 00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.840 play and the fact that he had entered the home 932 00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:38.039 and those two things conspired. What she's not talking about 933 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:42.480 is the accelerometer that had him ascending and descending stairs, which, 934 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:46.159 as she said earlier, would not happen if it was 935 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:50.360 in a shopping cart. So that's that's your issue. If 936 00:58:50.440 --> 00:58:54.239 you're on the side of Karen's not guilty, you got 937 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:58.719 two issues. One is when the phone resurfaced, Karen was 938 00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.719 already at home, logged in to the Wi Fi at 939 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:06.320 his house, so clearly she didn't hit him. Kimmy loves 940 00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:10.039 and stuff. And the GPS data is not being relied 941 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:13.320 on due to the lag that she referred to, which 942 00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:17.639 is a product of the atmosphere and him going inside 943 00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:18.000 the house. 944 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:21.840 So you have to really yeah, like when we look 945 00:59:21.880 --> 00:59:26.599 at the data, we have to. It's tough because I mean, 946 00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:29.960 think about in your own house. Sometimes the time on 947 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:32.840 the microwave is different from the time on the clock 948 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:34.800 in your room, which is different from the time in 949 00:59:34.920 --> 00:59:38.519 your car and the garage. It's all a little bit different. 950 00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.239 So we have to find the greatest amount of data 951 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:47.800 that is coming from a source that is stable and standardized, 952 00:59:47.840 --> 00:59:51.480 and that in this case is the iPhone data. Because 953 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.760 we can look at Jen's iPhone data and look at 954 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:58.559 John's iPhone data and say, okay, we're getting overlapping here. 955 00:59:59.559 --> 01:00:02.800 The start the call is documented here and also here this, 956 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:09.159 so okay, we can now extend that to this is 957 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.440 at least reliable against itself. And then all the other 958 01:00:12.599 --> 01:00:17.119 data points that we have, like the GPS, other the 959 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:23.400 CCTV time stamps from the bar to me, those give 960 01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:27.480 us They inform us about sequence, but they don't inform 961 01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:32.039 us about the true time that it happened. It just 962 01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.880 sort of helps us to straighten out like the order 963 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.760 of Okay, first this happened, then this happened, then this happened, 964 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.159 then this happened. But we can't, you know, quite bring 965 01:00:43.239 --> 01:00:47.119 it down to a timestamp minute in a reliable sense 966 01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:51.400 because it's not standardized against the iPhone data. The iPhone 967 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.960 data is really the it's the only guarantee that we 968 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:58.880 the public have in terms of trying to sort things out. 969 01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:00.920 And add something to that. 970 01:01:01.559 --> 01:01:04.840 That little circle that they had in regards to the 971 01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:08.519 it did cover the house like it was within range 972 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:09.199 of the house. 973 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:11.320 And you know what I thought was weird too, is 974 01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:14.039 that how they focus on the ways. Ways is an 975 01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:16.920 app that we use to get from point A to 976 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:17.400 point B. 977 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.000 Like that was just to kind of trick again, to 978 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:24.719 trick the jury into you know, oh, the Ways said this, 979 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:26.000 and that's. 980 01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:30.320 Not exactly and it's almost fully dependent on GPS, which 981 01:01:30.599 --> 01:01:31.960 was the issue. 982 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:39.079 Well, it's using cellular connectivity to access a jeep, So 983 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:43.000 there's a third interloper there. It's the cellular signal. If 984 01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:46.079 you turn off your cell signal, you cannot use ways. 985 01:01:46.400 --> 01:01:50.920 It is not Global Positioning System transmitter to receiver in 986 01:01:51.039 --> 01:01:55.239 your car. It is using your going up to the 987 01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:59.800 cellular wherever your cellular uses and that satellite is linking 988 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.159 in to GPS to tell you where you are. So 989 01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:06.000 there's a whole process in there that that that doesn't happen. 990 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:06.559 Uh. 991 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:10.280 I'd like it if Beatrice could read read this one 992 01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.840 from Suisponte, our favorite Latin phrase. 993 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:16.519 Excuse me, correct me if I'm wrong. 994 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:21.079 Fanning was on the Farwell case, and Guarino reported to Farwell. 995 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:26.199 It was Farwell that accepted that they were no texts found. 996 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:28.480 That's my understanding as well. 997 01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:32.360 No, cannot be the case because Guarino was a state 998 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:35.159 trooper and Farwell was not. He was a stotent police officer. 999 01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:40.119 So we've got we've got a factual, uh, factually incorrect 1000 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:44.920 right there. Unfortunately, what no, no, no, wait, no, Farwell 1001 01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:48.880 was Guarino did not report to Farwell because Guarino was 1002 01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:49.559 a state trooper. 1003 01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:54.440 Far Oh, okay, I you know what. I felt like 1004 01:02:54.559 --> 01:02:57.239 that was a typo. You're right as it is written 1005 01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:01.480 right now, it is if actually in cript statement. I 1006 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:05.519 felt like the reported to Farrewell was a typo and 1007 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.000 it was supposed to say reported to Fanning. 1008 01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:10.840 And I and I and. 1009 01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:17.840 I think that if you replace the look out live 1010 01:03:21.000 --> 01:03:24.239 so I think both of the like the first Firewell 1011 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:26.840 was a Farwell, but I think that the second two 1012 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.880 are supposed to be Fannings. And if you replaced that 1013 01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.280 with Fanning Fanning, then then it becomes a true statement. 1014 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:39.719 And I bet you like question, can Ie, You've got 1015 01:03:39.800 --> 01:03:46.159 to get together the fires and sights man, all right, uh. 1016 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:47.079 This. 1017 01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:49.800 We have more questions that I've started, but this one 1018 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:53.480 is for from Christina Rasmussen. 1019 01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:58.119 Okay, for the panel. Do you think that there was 1020 01:03:58.239 --> 01:04:02.840 Jerry tampering or jermis conduct in the KR case? Who 1021 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.559 wants to answer? At first, I think. 1022 01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:08.119 Nothing surprises me. 1023 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.960 I do think is a little suspect that he was 1024 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:14.800 in charge of the jury and driving them there. And 1025 01:04:14.920 --> 01:04:18.920 he's also the one that reported that there was a 1026 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.440 one of the jurors that got kicked off had been 1027 01:04:21.519 --> 01:04:26.719 seen talking about the case at a restaurant and then 1028 01:04:26.880 --> 01:04:27.920 she gets kicked off. 1029 01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:30.599 So I mean, I just think nothing surprises me. 1030 01:04:31.280 --> 01:04:34.719 But how crazy is that that he had access to 1031 01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.320 the very people that we're going to make the decision 1032 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:39.000 on this case? 1033 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:45.559 Yeah, now I agree that is extremely suspicious. And to 1034 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:52.360 add to that, we know already that there's ger misconduct, 1035 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:57.760 like and I still don't understand why this juror is 1036 01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:03.480 speaking publicly. He spoke to the and whatever helps. Yes, 1037 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:08.559 he went on the record about this. What he did 1038 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.639 directly defies the rules of jury selection. He moved, He 1039 01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:17.280 did not update his driver's license with his current address. 1040 01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:20.280 He was therefore not a resident of the county. He 1041 01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:24.679 had absolutely no business being on that jury, and he's 1042 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:29.039 talking about it like he I'm like, what, buddy, why 1043 01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:33.760 are you advertising that you're in violation of the policies. 1044 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:36.079 I mean when you go when you look at what 1045 01:05:36.280 --> 01:05:40.599 it takes to be qualified for jury duty, that's like 1046 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:43.639 the top thing. And it even says what if I 1047 01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:46.400 move and haven't changed my license? What do I do? 1048 01:05:46.880 --> 01:05:50.000 And it says you are not eligible deserve on a jury. 1049 01:05:50.159 --> 01:05:52.000 You need to get your stuff straight at like it's 1050 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:55.960 right on their website. It's right there. So that in 1051 01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:58.800 itself was duror conduct that the juror seems to be 1052 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:02.559 advertising to anyone with ears. I just don't get that. 1053 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.320 But I mean there's there's more, there's, you know, in 1054 01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:10.840 addition to untine other instances, but yeah, that to me, 1055 01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.360 that's the one where I'm like, what are you doing? 1056 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:17.480 It almost feels like he if it wasn't already a mistrial, 1057 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:20.559 it was It was almost as if the plan was 1058 01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.400 to you maybe use that as like, oh, whoops, we 1059 01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:26.440 just discovered that one of the jurors was, you know, 1060 01:06:26.639 --> 01:06:29.280 not a resident, Like if if it already hadn't been 1061 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.000 a mistrial, so that they could toss it out if 1062 01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:34.119 it didn't go their way. Like it just felt like 1063 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.440 a kind of a like what's the expression about, like 1064 01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:40.119 an ace in the back pocket or like something like that, 1065 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.679 like kind of a hit. I don't know, it just 1066 01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:49.360 it felt like somebody was kind of holding back an 1067 01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.039 opportunity to benefit from that knowledge. 1068 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:59.199 This is from Ken Ken Hathaway from Nottingham, England. Gracious 1069 01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:02.199 spot thought with everything superb. 1070 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:04.800 You can thank you. 1071 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:09.639 He is a true blue calling call beings, a listener, 1072 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:13.679 part of our family. Thank you and Suisponte, thank you 1073 01:07:13.840 --> 01:07:18.760 so much love. Wait is this going to be another Beatrice's? No, 1074 01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:25.039 it's not this. This is a great question and I 1075 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:27.719 still have an answer to them, but go ahead bea So. 1076 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:31.039 I was in contact with his mom this week. 1077 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.599 I sent her a text just to you know, say hello, 1078 01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:38.960 check in with her because we had the standout last 1079 01:07:39.679 --> 01:07:43.800 Saturday out in Woolster and or I should say Woolster. 1080 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:52.480 So I definitely, you know, I wanted to, you know, 1081 01:07:52.679 --> 01:07:56.800 check in with her, and I just feel like they 1082 01:07:58.159 --> 01:07:59.880 right now, they're not really open to anything. 1083 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:01.519 And that's the thing. 1084 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:02.119 I know. 1085 01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:05.639 Some people have reached out with great suggestions and it's 1086 01:08:05.719 --> 01:08:09.760 not to knock down anybody's you know, good suggestions. But 1087 01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:13.639 I feel like from my conversations with the family, it's 1088 01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.119 almost like they want to just follow their attorney's advice 1089 01:08:17.239 --> 01:08:19.760 right now. Whether we think is right or wrong, or 1090 01:08:19.920 --> 01:08:22.800 we have other opinions, they just want to follow what 1091 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:26.880 their attorneys are saying. And for the mother, I feel 1092 01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:29.359 it because she's the one that hired this attorney and 1093 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:33.119 they're telling her to keep quiet, and that's what she's doing. 1094 01:08:33.279 --> 01:08:36.279 But like the aunt was very vocal. I did several. 1095 01:08:36.039 --> 01:08:39.520 Interviews with the mainstream media and her aunt was like, 1096 01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.399 I have nothing to hide. 1097 01:08:42.000 --> 01:08:44.359 I have you know, I want to talk about my nephew. 1098 01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:47.560 I you know, my family's lost. This was you know, 1099 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.359 he was I mean, quote unquote, this is what she said. 1100 01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.760 He was assassinated. Like, yes, he's so sorry, DJ, go ahead. 1101 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:56.560 I didn't mean to go on. 1102 01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:58.359 The question I was going to ask is do you 1103 01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.239 think she'd be open to the psychic. 1104 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:02.600 Is what I also thought about that as you were saying. 1105 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:04.079 So, I. 1106 01:09:05.840 --> 01:09:10.359 Feel like religion wise, and again I can't speak, I 1107 01:09:10.439 --> 01:09:11.279 can't really speak. 1108 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.920 I don't know exactly the religion. 1109 01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:15.840 But if I was to make an assumption based on 1110 01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:20.720 what I know based on my conversations, not not necessarily, 1111 01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:24.680 I don't like. It's almost like at this point it's 1112 01:09:25.279 --> 01:09:28.359 you're walking a fine line with this family because they 1113 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.760 know what they're not looking. 1114 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:33.600 They're not that out there looking for advice. That's the thing. 1115 01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:35.880 A lot of people want to give them advice on 1116 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.520 what they should be doing, what they but they're not 1117 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:41.000 really out there asking for that. 1118 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:43.399 They just want people to stand there with them and 1119 01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.800 give and show their support and spread the word. Is 1120 01:09:46.960 --> 01:09:48.640 the message that I kind of get from them. 1121 01:09:49.119 --> 01:09:52.760 Yeah, Okay, you know, I want to say for the lawyer, 1122 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:57.359 I think their law their lawyer sucks. Empirically. Their lawyer 1123 01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:00.600 absolutely sucks. And the reason why he sucks or she 1124 01:10:01.399 --> 01:10:07.000 is because they allowed the lawyer did not stop them 1125 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:10.840 from the state police and from performing that ceremony which 1126 01:10:10.880 --> 01:10:13.720 I'm sure they paid for, and burying the body. They 1127 01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:18.960 had to have insisted on an independent forensic pathologist to 1128 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:24.479 do a forensic examination of his body when the flesh 1129 01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:28.960 was all intact. Every day that passes as his flesh rots, 1130 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:33.359 the evidence is melting away. So the state police are going, 1131 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.520 this is good for us. So their lawyer sucks. Gave 1132 01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:42.600 them crappy advice because they should have made sure. I 1133 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:44.680 don't care if you've got to take out alone on 1134 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:48.680 your house, you get the money, you get an independent 1135 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:53.960 out of state unconnected to these idiots like that. Did 1136 01:10:54.079 --> 01:10:58.359 Sandra Birchmore that fudge that paperwork for her? And I 1137 01:10:58.399 --> 01:11:00.760 don't even remember what her name is, Marten has something 1138 01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:06.560 and screwed that up because those two independents that came in, uh, 1139 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:09.760 clearly were able to figure out what the hell that 1140 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:12.239 her highway bone is broken. Both of them came to 1141 01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:13.119 the same conclusion. 1142 01:11:13.399 --> 01:11:15.600 And I did let the mom know this week that 1143 01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:19.359 about the example with sander birch Moore, because again, when 1144 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.960 I'm out there talking to the family, you know, we're 1145 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:24.279 holding the signs that have all the victims on it, 1146 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.199 and I have gone through each and every victim, told 1147 01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:30.479 them the backstory and how all these cases are connected. 1148 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.279 I did mention as an example to her. 1149 01:11:33.439 --> 01:11:37.439 You know, for instance, with sander Birchmore, initially the medical 1150 01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:42.960 examiner determined it was a self harm, and then you know, 1151 01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.199 after an independent investigation, it was determined that it was 1152 01:11:47.279 --> 01:11:49.520 not a self harm, and this was done to her. 1153 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:52.680 I'm just trying to be careful with all the YouTube rules, 1154 01:11:52.720 --> 01:11:54.239 so but. 1155 01:11:57.199 --> 01:12:01.439 You know, reached out, and you know, I just feel 1156 01:12:01.520 --> 01:12:05.000 like at this point they're really not asking for help. 1157 01:12:05.119 --> 01:12:08.920 They just work with their way, So they're not really 1158 01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.680 I don't want to say they're not receptive. They they're 1159 01:12:11.720 --> 01:12:15.359 receptive to the love and support, prayers, answers, and. 1160 01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:19.039 Every time they just reiterate, we just want answers. We 1161 01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:20.119 want to know the truth. 1162 01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.720 And you know, like I think I have a theory 1163 01:12:24.800 --> 01:12:30.720 about this that if you believe in spiritual mediums, then 1164 01:12:31.119 --> 01:12:36.000 this information came to us directly from John O'Keefe with 1165 01:12:36.239 --> 01:12:43.319 regard to Peggy's attitude about everything and the idea that 1166 01:12:46.159 --> 01:12:53.560 John was explaining that she she trusts the police because 1167 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:57.600 John himself was a good cop. Like if my son 1168 01:12:57.760 --> 01:13:00.680 is a good cop, then cops are good people. She's 1169 01:13:00.840 --> 01:13:06.239 generalizing that, you know that, therefore cops are good and 1170 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:10.000 I can trust them, and therefore this is the side 1171 01:13:10.199 --> 01:13:14.079 I need to align myself with. It could be generational, 1172 01:13:14.239 --> 01:13:17.800 it could be you know, just sort of informed by 1173 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:23.760 her own personal experience and her you know, love and 1174 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:28.239 respect for him, and it's unfortunately it's kind of swinging 1175 01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:30.399 around to kind of bite her in the butt right now. 1176 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:34.880 But I wonder if the same could be extended to 1177 01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:39.399 Enrique's family in the sense of they know that Enrique 1178 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:43.560 was a good police officer and a good honorable person, 1179 01:13:44.439 --> 01:13:49.560 and so they're extending that same honor, I guess to 1180 01:13:50.199 --> 01:13:53.279 the people around him, and therefore there being a little 1181 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:57.800 bit too trusting of the process and of the people 1182 01:13:58.520 --> 01:14:04.399 in authority, like you know, just just undo honor, you know, 1183 01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:09.199 honor that hasn't been earned, unearned and the vibe I got, sorry, 1184 01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:10.319 d go ahead. 1185 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:14.239 In this situation that we've faced this in the UFO community, 1186 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.239 when you are trying to mess with someone's worldview. People 1187 01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.640 have a view of what the world is, and this 1188 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:24.880 is the difficulty that people who understand and know that 1189 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:28.640 there are non human intelligences that not only are visiting 1190 01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:34.119 Earth now, but have been doing so for hundreds of years, 1191 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.920 if not thousands of years, since since the Bible was written, 1192 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.399 and it was spoken about in the Bible, and since 1193 01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:44.039 the Romans were marching around with you know, the sandals 1194 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:46.600 and the shields and the whole nine yards. Okay, so 1195 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.920 if you tell somebody, hey, you know what, not all 1196 01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:56.199 police are good, They're gonna go Yeah, don't mess with 1197 01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:59.680 what my view of the world is. My view of 1198 01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.439 the world is police are good, they don't lie, and 1199 01:15:03.600 --> 01:15:04.560 criminals are bad. 1200 01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.840 Yeah, we kind of surround ourselves with what we're almost 1201 01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:12.199 like only what we're willing to handle in that moment. 1202 01:15:12.760 --> 01:15:15.119 You know, if you if you go back to listen 1203 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.880 to the episode of Calling All Beings we did on 1204 01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:20.720 Tuesday a week ago when we had the old Cab 1205 01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:25.319 crew back with Nathan and deb and Courtney and Scott McGinnis, 1206 01:15:25.640 --> 01:15:30.239 asked Nathan, he says, I believe that UFOs are all demons. 1207 01:15:31.119 --> 01:15:35.000 And so I said, oh, how perfect that Nathan and 1208 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:38.359 Scott earned the same chat on the same live at 1209 01:15:38.399 --> 01:15:42.319 the same time. Nathan, you know, not only was the 1210 01:15:42.479 --> 01:15:45.079 son of a pastor, not only was the youth pastor. 1211 01:15:45.439 --> 01:15:47.800 He got his masters in divinity and went to a 1212 01:15:47.880 --> 01:15:51.680 Biblical college and got his master's degree. So he's very 1213 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:54.159 well placed to speak about this. Yeah, and he went 1214 01:15:54.279 --> 01:15:56.479 through all that about lenses and when you have a 1215 01:15:56.560 --> 01:16:00.439 certain lens, I'm looking through the world that lawn enforcement 1216 01:16:00.560 --> 01:16:03.960 is good. If they say you did it, more than likely, 1217 01:16:04.520 --> 01:16:07.279 except for a few strange things, you probably did it. 1218 01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:10.880 And unfortunately people have to accept the fact that in 1219 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:14.239 my business, in the military and in government, we have 1220 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:18.399 dishonest people that will lie, that would see that would 1221 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:20.520 see you killed and not blink an eye about it. 1222 01:16:21.079 --> 01:16:23.640 And the police do as well, and they are they 1223 01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:27.439 are like a cousin of ours. We both have, you know, 1224 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.960 take we swear oaths and all those kinds of things, 1225 01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.760 whereas civilians don't necessarily do that. But that's the reality 1226 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:36.439 of it. So let's let's take a look at let's 1227 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:39.199 get back to this right here, because people have some 1228 01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:44.199 questions about the next question right below. This goes to 1229 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:47.760 one of your investigations. But BEV picked the forman in 1230 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:51.039 only three fkr wor alternatives, right, And that is the 1231 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:54.000 problem is that they did an assessment. First of all, 1232 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:57.399 what was Fanning doing there? Why was he interacting with 1233 01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.760 the jury when they have baylists that do that, that 1234 01:16:59.840 --> 01:17:02.760 are paid to do that. The second thing is the 1235 01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:06.720 one guy, as Turtle Boy reported on his show, is 1236 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:11.760 that the jury foreman joined anti Karen read groups within 1237 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:16.319 days on Facebook after the trial. So there's that. And 1238 01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:18.520 then it was said how he was telling people that 1239 01:17:18.760 --> 01:17:21.720 only he could communicate with the judge and he was 1240 01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:26.439 sort of exercising some level of undue control over the 1241 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:28.560 other jurors that he shouldn't. 1242 01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:32.000 When he himself had a personal history of being the 1243 01:17:32.159 --> 01:17:38.119 victim in a police in his capacity as a police officer, 1244 01:17:38.920 --> 01:17:44.159 being the one who was vehicularly hit on the job. 1245 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:46.840 I mean, I don't even know how he squeaked in 1246 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.199 in the first place to be on the jury. Yeah. 1247 01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:53.840 Well it's a negotiation, right when you're doing jury selection. 1248 01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:56.159 You're not going to get everything you want and the 1249 01:17:56.239 --> 01:17:58.079 prosecution's not going to get everything they want. 1250 01:17:58.199 --> 01:18:05.800 So all right, this next one, Oh, okay, thoughts about 1251 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:08.680 location of Higgins and Mischi vehicle. 1252 01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:18.319 Okay, So there has been so much speculation. I feel 1253 01:18:18.319 --> 01:18:22.680 like I've heard so many conversations about higgins jeep and 1254 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:27.159 specifically the plow and when he plowed the driveway and 1255 01:18:27.319 --> 01:18:30.880 why he plowed the driveway, and everybody's trying to figure 1256 01:18:30.880 --> 01:18:33.760 out what's going on with the plow. I think that 1257 01:18:33.920 --> 01:18:39.279 the plow was and a distraction and a lie from 1258 01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:42.920 the beginning. I don't know that the plow was even 1259 01:18:43.439 --> 01:18:47.800 present that night, because I believe that whatever vehicle he 1260 01:18:48.039 --> 01:18:53.640 was driving was concealed at Kellehers based on the trajectory 1261 01:18:54.439 --> 01:18:58.159 of the bee line, and based on just kind of 1262 01:18:58.520 --> 01:19:01.920 looking at the tree and what's going on at Kella 1263 01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:08.800 Hur's property, and the fact that Higgins claims to have 1264 01:19:08.960 --> 01:19:13.680 departed the house at the basically the exact time that 1265 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:18.119 John and Karen were allegedly out there at that exact spot, Like, 1266 01:19:18.720 --> 01:19:22.600 what is he doing? But here's the thing about the plow, 1267 01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:24.920 Like I said, I've heard so many people say, oh, 1268 01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:28.600 he was plowing away footprints? What footprints? There was no snow. 1269 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:32.079 Yet that doesn't make sense. I think that what happened 1270 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:37.920 was he came up with the plow lie because he 1271 01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:43.000 needed to explain why he didn't see it. Like first, 1272 01:19:43.399 --> 01:19:46.720 the first lie was while I was parked at the 1273 01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:50.399 mailbox two, and that lie was to cover the fact 1274 01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:53.199 that he wasn't. And then it's like, oh, well, if 1275 01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:55.239 you were parked at the mailbox, then why didn't you 1276 01:19:55.399 --> 01:19:58.600 see the body? I mean right when you turned on 1277 01:19:58.760 --> 01:20:03.279 your you know, lights would have been right there. Oh well, 1278 01:20:05.199 --> 01:20:08.720 you know, I was bent over. See my plow was 1279 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:10.800 down and I had to bend over, and so I 1280 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:14.600 wasn't actually looking. And it's like, well, why was your 1281 01:20:14.640 --> 01:20:15.239 plow down? 1282 01:20:16.199 --> 01:20:16.359 You know? 1283 01:20:16.960 --> 01:20:21.159 Oh well, you know, I was plowing Brian Albert's driveway. 1284 01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:23.920 Well but it hadn't snowed yet. Oh well, I was 1285 01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:26.800 being silly. It was an inside joke. Like I feel 1286 01:20:26.840 --> 01:20:31.520 like the whole thing was built backwards just because he 1287 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:35.479 came up with a fast lie initially and now he 1288 01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:39.039 had to like support it and support it and support it. 1289 01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:42.039 Like I don't think that he did a sweep of 1290 01:20:42.079 --> 01:20:44.840 the driveway. I don't think that happened at all. I 1291 01:20:44.920 --> 01:20:46.760 don't even know if the plow was on the vehicle. 1292 01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:50.119 Quite frankly, like, I think that it was just an 1293 01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:54.159 excuse as to why he couldn't have seen the body 1294 01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:58.680 as he was driving away from the mailbox. So like 1295 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:02.079 none of it was true. In my opinion, the. 1296 01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.560 Best place people to make the to come up with 1297 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:09.159 those stories is somebody who's the police officer because they 1298 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:11.800 know those things that are that are going to be asked. 1299 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:14.239 And we have more questions for you guys. So just 1300 01:21:14.319 --> 01:21:17.119 hang on, let me just get to because Christine Mitchell 1301 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:20.920 showed up from Manchester. So here we go. We have 1302 01:21:21.039 --> 01:21:23.399 not seen her. Let me see, I'm gonna see what 1303 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:28.960 we do. See Hello, Christine Mitchell from Manchester. I can't 1304 01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:33.000 be ast Love. I missed you all, been very partly, 1305 01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:36.119 but I'm on the rule to recovery. So nice to 1306 01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:40.039 see you all. Christine. I hope you feel better, Love. 1307 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:44.039 I didn't know that you were illing, but we missed 1308 01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:47.199 you because I haven't been able to do the Manchester. 1309 01:21:47.279 --> 01:21:50.880 I'm just kidding, but let me know how you're doing 1310 01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:54.319 and what's going on, because you can. You know, you 1311 01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:58.399 got my YouTube plus in the calling All Beings one, 1312 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.680 Calling All Beings number one at gmail if you want hollow. 1313 01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:09.319 So but I'm glad you're yeah, yeah, what do we 1314 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:13.720 got here? We got another question for you and we 1315 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:17.159 have lots but uh so, Beatrice, how about this one? 1316 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:21.760 See this part of the story, I feel like I 1317 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:23.319 do believe, like I. 1318 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.640 Feel like there was not really to make this second 1319 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:30.640 the facts of the case part stick. 1320 01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:32.960 I don't feel that they needed to come up with 1321 01:22:33.079 --> 01:22:35.199 this plan that they went to a funeral because we 1322 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:38.800 know that typically cops do this. This isn't out of 1323 01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.960 the norm. You know, they turn it into an all 1324 01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:43.840 day event and there was snowcups, So. 1325 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:47.439 I actually do believe that this part was actually true. 1326 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.079 I don't really see a reason to make this part up. 1327 01:22:50.960 --> 01:22:53.000 But It just adds to the fact that they were 1328 01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:55.960 probably maybe you know, drinking all day and. 1329 01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:00.239 It's parting and that part. But I don't really like 1330 01:23:00.279 --> 01:23:01.520 that would be that they would need to. 1331 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:02.119 Lie about that. 1332 01:23:02.840 --> 01:23:06.079 Yeah, I mean, if anything, I think the lie was 1333 01:23:06.239 --> 01:23:11.159 probably more like maybe ten minutes at the funeral, three 1334 01:23:11.199 --> 01:23:13.479 hours at a bar kind of thing, like you know, 1335 01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:17.000 just up to mischief, you know, like just kind of 1336 01:23:17.079 --> 01:23:19.760 showing face at the funeral as an excuse to have 1337 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:21.359 a paid day off from work. 1338 01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.399 Yeah, you know, like it like that would be the 1339 01:23:24.479 --> 01:23:28.520 deception driving drunk because we can Harah, don't you be 1340 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:32.079 grabbing me, harrish grabbing Go ahead, Grace is free, you 1341 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:32.560 of my friend. 1342 01:23:33.239 --> 01:23:36.960 Okay, did you ever find out correlating that Jennifer went 1343 01:23:37.119 --> 01:23:46.119 into the house that discredits John's didn't? Yes? Well okay, yes, 1344 01:23:46.159 --> 01:23:46.319 I know. 1345 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:47.439 Put John in the house. 1346 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.319 Yeah, I believe yea, put put John in the house. 1347 01:23:50.680 --> 01:23:51.600 Put John in the house. 1348 01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:51.880 Yep. 1349 01:23:53.119 --> 01:23:56.239 Here's the scoop with Jen McKay being in the house. 1350 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:03.640 Jen McCabe's heart data had a lot of mysterious stuff 1351 01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:08.000 going on with it. It was unusually low at times 1352 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:10.640 when it should be much higher. It was high during 1353 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:14.000 times when it should be much lower. And one of 1354 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.600 the things that came out of that was that if 1355 01:24:18.760 --> 01:24:23.359 the watch can't get a good read on your skin 1356 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:28.159 because your skin is too cold, then it's going to 1357 01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:32.319 read kind of artificially low because it's not getting that 1358 01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:38.640 good solid reading. So based on that, when you look 1359 01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:43.640 at her heart rate data from midnight to about ten am, 1360 01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:49.039 you can see there are points where it's like, wow, 1361 01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:53.800 you know, it's really really super duper low here. Yet 1362 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:58.159 we know that she was out socializing, we know where 1363 01:24:58.279 --> 01:25:01.159 she was at this point. She might us have been outside. 1364 01:25:01.920 --> 01:25:04.920 We also know that the forefront steps at the Alberts 1365 01:25:05.520 --> 01:25:09.560 is not enough of an elevation change to register any 1366 01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:15.560 floor like increase in the altitude, so she could have 1367 01:25:15.680 --> 01:25:20.119 been scurrying around in and out of the house and 1368 01:25:21.359 --> 01:25:24.680 and you know, getting cold and not having enough time 1369 01:25:24.760 --> 01:25:28.079 to like warm up to get a good solid reading 1370 01:25:28.239 --> 01:25:32.119 on her heart rate. So I to me, I feel 1371 01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:36.600 like when you combine the kind of the absence of 1372 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.760 the data or the extra low data with times when 1373 01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:42.159 it's higher, it's like, Okay, she must have been warm here, 1374 01:25:42.319 --> 01:25:45.840 cold here, warm here. It feels like it's showing us 1375 01:25:45.880 --> 01:25:50.199 that she's going in and out of the house. Hopefully 1376 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:53.039 that makes sense. It makes sense in here, but it's not. 1377 01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:54.960 It doesn't leave my mouth in a very. 1378 01:25:56.840 --> 01:25:57.319 Every show. 1379 01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:00.119 And what it what? 1380 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.960 But you had her between the hours of when she 1381 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:07.880 would have gotten home or those hours after John's death. 1382 01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:09.479 What do you have on that heartwork? 1383 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:15.119 So her? What I did was I determined the urgency 1384 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:20.680 of her pace by dividing the number of steps across 1385 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:26.039 time to basically get a speed at which she was walking. 1386 01:26:26.800 --> 01:26:31.680 And it was incredible to me that the urgency of 1387 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:40.079 her steps was far greater between like one am and 1388 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:44.000 two am than it was when she was actually out 1389 01:26:44.720 --> 01:26:50.199 searching for John and finding John. Like wow, I mean 1390 01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:53.439 that's like good God, you know, like I think that 1391 01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.119 the most urgent time would be running around frantically trying 1392 01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:59.560 to find him at his house, where there was no 1393 01:26:59.680 --> 01:27:02.600 indication that she ever actually went upstairs the way that 1394 01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:05.920 she claimed that she did on the witness stand. But 1395 01:27:06.079 --> 01:27:09.840 then also like even when she was on the scene, 1396 01:27:10.439 --> 01:27:13.199 you know, you can see Karen and Carrie, you know, 1397 01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:18.119 frantically pacing and running around and bebopping around, and and 1398 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:22.439 Jen is really not like she is not behaving in 1399 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:27.960 a way that is consistent with that urgency surprise that 1400 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:32.000 you do see between one am and two am, Like, 1401 01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:34.279 what in the world is going on at one am 1402 01:27:34.399 --> 01:27:38.439 and two am where there's an absence of clear heart rate. 1403 01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:41.720 So we know she's outside and we know that the 1404 01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:46.399 urgency is there. She's moving around, scarrying around like a little. 1405 01:27:46.319 --> 01:27:52.439 Rat, so you know something's going on, you know, perfect analogy. 1406 01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:56.880 And the thing that's interesting there is that the lie 1407 01:27:57.520 --> 01:28:01.960 is that when Karen absolutely freaks out and jumps out 1408 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:06.079 of the car, at that point, the person laying on 1409 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:10.159 the lawn has been id'd. Yeah, if that person were 1410 01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:15.039 someone who wandered from the local train station in Canton 1411 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:20.159 and fell on the lawn, likely, Jen, excuse me, Karen 1412 01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:22.479 would not have freaked out the way that she did 1413 01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:26.159 and gone and was screaming and screaming at Kerry and 1414 01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.760 all that stuff. So the lie right there, of which 1415 01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:34.079 Jen is such a prolific if ineffective liar, as I 1416 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.680 call her on Twitter, is that is that she knew 1417 01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:41.439 that that was O'Keefe, and yet both times she got 1418 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.359 on the phone with nine one one, she did an 1419 01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:48.399 idea O'Keefe, but she knew based on Karen's reaction that 1420 01:28:48.560 --> 01:28:50.920 it was O'Keefe and she still lied exactly. 1421 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.840 Wow, I can't prove that, but yeah, but there is 1422 01:28:54.960 --> 01:28:58.279 something that we can prove. Remember earlier, I said that 1423 01:28:58.920 --> 01:29:01.880 there were three things, three different experiments that I had 1424 01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:06.399 conducted this week. One thing that I kept hearing people 1425 01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:12.720 say is that Gen's the steps on Gen's phone, and 1426 01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:18.279 watch paralleled that of what occurred on John's phone starting 1427 01:29:18.319 --> 01:29:21.159 at six oh four am. And of course, you know, 1428 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:23.560 I have all my spreadsheets and I'm looking at I'm like, 1429 01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.359 why are people saying that, Like this doesn't make sense. 1430 01:29:26.479 --> 01:29:29.319 I'm like, it's not it's not working out. And so 1431 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:33.359 I'm like, okay, but something something had John's phone going, 1432 01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:38.319 and so I you know, crossed off a list of possibilities. 1433 01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:39.880 And I already kind of had it in my mind 1434 01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:43.720 that it had something to do with CPR. So I 1435 01:29:43.880 --> 01:29:50.479 conducted an experiment six different ways by using a really 1436 01:29:50.600 --> 01:29:54.920 firm pillow and kind of nestling the phone under the 1437 01:29:55.039 --> 01:30:01.159 firm pillow. And and you know, to do proper CPR, 1438 01:30:01.520 --> 01:30:04.119 it is forceful. You need to break ribs. And so 1439 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:07.560 for this experiment, I gave it everything that I had. 1440 01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:11.760 I mean, I did one hundred compressions through the pillow 1441 01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:14.119 with the phone underneath it, with a phone face down 1442 01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.199 and with the phone face up, and I checked it. 1443 01:30:17.840 --> 01:30:22.239 No steps and I'm like, that's weird, kind of a disappointment. 1444 01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:24.880 But I was like, Okay, maybe it's because the pillow 1445 01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:27.840 is too soft. John has a rib cage. So I 1446 01:30:27.920 --> 01:30:31.079 got one of my baby's like board books and I 1447 01:30:31.199 --> 01:30:34.239 put that. So now the layer was, you know, very 1448 01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.479 firm pillow, baby's board book, phone, and then I had 1449 01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:41.600 a folded towel to kind of represent the ground, just 1450 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.560 to give a little bit of cushion, give a little yeah, 1451 01:30:45.560 --> 01:30:48.840 a little bit of cushion, but like not a tremendous amount, 1452 01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:53.119 and same thing. Really, I was out of breath. I 1453 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:55.920 was literally out of breath after all these experiments because 1454 01:30:55.960 --> 01:30:59.479 I was trying to be so forceful. I did it 1455 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:02.399 with the phone facing down and with the phone facing up, 1456 01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:08.119 no steps recorded, and I'm like, what is going on here? 1457 01:31:08.279 --> 01:31:14.119 And then I thought what if Carrie found the phone 1458 01:31:14.199 --> 01:31:18.159 earlier than she claimed on the stand. So I went 1459 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:20.720 and I put on a coat and I put the 1460 01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:26.520 phone in the pocket, did one hundred forceful compressions and 1461 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.640 it logged the steps and I put it in the 1462 01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:34.560 other pocket, same thing. One hundred more forceful compressions. And 1463 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:37.680 it's because the coat was swinging and it was banging 1464 01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.720 against my thigh. But the coat being open and swinging 1465 01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:47.039 was giving the acceleration that had been lacking in the 1466 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:52.800 original compressions. So I thought, okay, But why would Carrie 1467 01:31:52.920 --> 01:31:55.079 lie on the stand. So I went back and watched 1468 01:31:55.079 --> 01:32:01.680 her testimony, and the way that Lolli phrased the question 1469 01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:07.119 was so odd. He was like, and then, you know, 1470 01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:10.479 did you happen to see anything when the paramedics were 1471 01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.119 lifting the body from the ground? Like it was so 1472 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.199 it was leading. It was so clear what he wanted 1473 01:32:16.279 --> 01:32:19.600 her to say. And knowing that she has a reputation 1474 01:32:19.840 --> 01:32:22.800 as a talker, I feel like somebody had told her 1475 01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:26.520 ahead of the trial, like, you know, don't insert your 1476 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:30.119 own opinion, only answer yes or no, only like keep 1477 01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:33.159 it brief, keep it limited. And I feel like she 1478 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.399 knew what he needed her to say. And then get this. 1479 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:42.680 I reviewed the testimony even further, and he went on 1480 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.760 to ask her what part of John's body was the 1481 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:51.079 phone under and she said, well, you know, like kind 1482 01:32:51.119 --> 01:32:57.920 of his shoulder, and Lolly said shoulder or do you 1483 01:32:58.079 --> 01:33:02.399 mean like lower back and lower back? And she was 1484 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:06.640 like shoulder or or back or shoulder or But like 1485 01:33:07.399 --> 01:33:10.199 by the time LOLLI got done pressing her on it, 1486 01:33:10.520 --> 01:33:13.520 she was like, yeah, I think it was probably in 1487 01:33:13.560 --> 01:33:17.279 the middle of his back. Like her testimony changed before 1488 01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:23.199 our eyes. Yeah, because Lollie had an idea of where 1489 01:33:23.359 --> 01:33:26.439 he needed the conversation to go. It was it was 1490 01:33:26.560 --> 01:33:32.760 so manipulated and so like prompted, and so I thought, no, 1491 01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:37.680 you know, she imagine finding your dear friend on the ground. 1492 01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:41.319 The last thing that you're lodging in your memory is 1493 01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:44.119 at what point you found the phone and put it 1494 01:33:44.159 --> 01:33:48.359 in your pocket? Like that's that's not what's important right now. 1495 01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:52.720 Saving your friend's life is what's important. Like she's not 1496 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:57.359 going to have a specific memory of that. They created 1497 01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:02.760 that memory, and I think that they they played they 1498 01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:06.920 Out of all of the witnesses, I felt like she 1499 01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:13.720 was one who was genuinely impacted by the loss. I 1500 01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:17.920 felt her responses seemed to be sincere, that she was 1501 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:22.359 trying to be cooperative with both the defense and the prosecutor, 1502 01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:26.520 Like she really seemed to be trying to just give 1503 01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:30.199 everybody as true of statements as she could. In the moment. 1504 01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:33.079 There didn't seem to be any of what we saw 1505 01:34:33.119 --> 01:34:35.680 out of Jen McCabe and others. There didn't. There wasn't 1506 01:34:35.720 --> 01:34:41.520 that hostility and that pushback and that attitude. So I 1507 01:34:41.600 --> 01:34:43.840 don't think she was trying to mislead anybody. But I 1508 01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:48.319 think that phone went into her pocket almost instantly. Wow, 1509 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:52.359 because the only thing that could recreate that exact amount 1510 01:34:52.439 --> 01:34:56.239 of steps in that exact amount of time was the 1511 01:34:56.319 --> 01:35:00.560 phone in the coat pocket with those forceful compression. It 1512 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:03.000 was crazy chills again. 1513 01:35:03.800 --> 01:35:07.359 I have killed Sorry, I'm telling you, man, she's killing it. 1514 01:35:08.039 --> 01:35:08.399 Can you do? 1515 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.760 Jen mckabe on the stand when she tells talk professes 1516 01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:14.279 her love and friendship for John Go ahead. 1517 01:35:15.359 --> 01:35:17.800 Oh about the men passed out on the lawn? 1518 01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:21.439 No, not that one, when she goes, that's a good one. 1519 01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:23.960 He was my friend. 1520 01:35:25.720 --> 01:35:29.560 I loved him. Did somebody give me a tishoe? 1521 01:35:30.199 --> 01:35:32.800 If that's love, I don't want it, I. 1522 01:35:33.000 --> 01:35:38.000 Know, right, Like good example she's setting for her children 1523 01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:40.439 about what love is. Uh. 1524 01:35:40.880 --> 01:35:45.359 The calling all beings? Official attorney valhal Loss says, can 1525 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:47.760 you read this one, grace now? 1526 01:35:47.880 --> 01:35:52.520 Folks watched Sergio Oh, Sergio Gnaro, he clicked high sensitivity 1527 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:55.079 about the funeral, the trip back, and b H and 1528 01:35:55.199 --> 01:35:58.680 b A hanging out in the afternoon. Yeah, that doesn't 1529 01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:01.279 surprise me at all that there would be high sensitivity 1530 01:36:01.319 --> 01:36:05.119 about that. I think that, Like, like I said, I 1531 01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:08.079 think there was deception happening, but I don't think it 1532 01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:10.760 had anything to do with John at that time. I 1533 01:36:10.840 --> 01:36:14.439 think that they were just off doing naughty things on 1534 01:36:14.600 --> 01:36:16.960 the clock that they shouldn't have, you know, like they 1535 01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:21.199 were just squandering the opportunity to do what they were 1536 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:23.960 supposed to be doing. I would imagine because the thing 1537 01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:27.920 I've noticed I've people have asked me a lot about 1538 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:34.319 Sergio lately. I think that he is really good at 1539 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:39.880 identifying the sensitivity and analyzing the language. And I've noticed 1540 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:45.560 that his identification skills seem to be stronger than his 1541 01:36:45.920 --> 01:36:50.920 interpretation skills, Like he's spot on in nailing it, but 1542 01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:55.279 when it comes to piecing together what it means, it 1543 01:36:55.439 --> 01:37:00.600 feels like sometimes he's just a little bit off, like 1544 01:37:00.720 --> 01:37:02.960 to the left or to the right of what we 1545 01:37:03.399 --> 01:37:07.640 know actually happened. So I think he's very good at 1546 01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:13.920 detecting the sensitivity and educating us all about the language. 1547 01:37:14.119 --> 01:37:16.359 It certainly got me thinking about what things I say 1548 01:37:16.439 --> 01:37:20.880 that could be perceived as like as deceptive, like if 1549 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:23.840 like God forbid I ever die and anyone analyzes what 1550 01:37:23.960 --> 01:37:27.560 I've said like, you know, because it's there are so 1551 01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:31.039 many nuanced things that we don't even realize. 1552 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:34.920 You know, is this this one ring with you, Beatrice 1553 01:37:35.079 --> 01:37:37.239 or or Grace? 1554 01:37:38.039 --> 01:37:41.079 Oh, No one saw the jeep, but Jen and Matt. 1555 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:45.439 I have thoughts about that. You guys, have any thoughts 1556 01:37:45.720 --> 01:37:52.399 ahead your thoughts. So so there there are two. There 1557 01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:56.199 are two white jeeps involved, despite the fact that Higgins 1558 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.079 said on the stand that his jeep was gray in 1559 01:37:59.239 --> 01:38:02.920 color when everyone else testified that it was white, and 1560 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.239 also we have photos of it in his driveway and 1561 01:38:05.479 --> 01:38:10.920 it is white. It is white. But Allie McKay may 1562 01:38:11.000 --> 01:38:15.079 have been driving her mom's white jeep that night. I 1563 01:38:15.199 --> 01:38:19.079 think that's a four door. Higgins jeep is a two door. 1564 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:25.680 I feel like there are competing interests about the idea 1565 01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:29.520 of a jeep, and I feel like Higgins was trying 1566 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:33.239 to say, well, his jeep was gray. His jeep has 1567 01:38:33.279 --> 01:38:35.359 a plow. So if you happen to see a white 1568 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:40.319 jeep on camera anywhere in town. It's not him. But 1569 01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:44.159 Jen and Matt, who would be trying to protect their daughter, 1570 01:38:44.319 --> 01:38:48.960 would be very invested in the idea of yes, Higgins 1571 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:51.239 has a jeep, Yes it was there, Yes it's white. 1572 01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:54.359 Because if a jeep is spotted in town, they don't 1573 01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:57.439 want anyone to think that it's Ali. They want people 1574 01:38:57.560 --> 01:39:01.279 to think that it's Higgins. So I feel like each 1575 01:39:01.439 --> 01:39:05.319 one is kind of trying to protect themselves by creating 1576 01:39:05.439 --> 01:39:12.800 distance and planting accusations almost about the jeep to muddy 1577 01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:16.199 the water is even further. But that's just a hypothesis. 1578 01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:16.960 What do y'all sin? 1579 01:39:17.079 --> 01:39:19.560 This is what I would have to know is for 1580 01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.680 the mccabs jeep, I would have to know if they're 1581 01:39:22.720 --> 01:39:25.920 talking about a jeep wrangler, because if you have a 1582 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:29.319 you know, like a jeep wrangler. Now, we have the 1583 01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:32.520 type of a jeep that traditionally it has a bumper 1584 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:34.760 that's meant to have a winch and a plow on it. 1585 01:39:35.079 --> 01:39:37.800 If you're talking about a jeep Cherokee or a Grand 1586 01:39:37.920 --> 01:39:41.399 Cherokee or something like that, that's a completely different setup. 1587 01:39:41.439 --> 01:39:44.720 You you actually need to buy an entire rig to 1588 01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:47.279 hook up to the frame in order to mount a 1589 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:51.600 plow on something like a jeep Cherokee or Grand Cherokee. 1590 01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:56.399 So they're both okay, So they're both wranglers, so they 1591 01:39:56.560 --> 01:39:59.279 have the nu vo style where everyone has like a 1592 01:39:59.439 --> 01:40:04.119 lifted four door wrangler that has like big mutter tires 1593 01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:09.159 and Higgins Higgins did was his jeep one of those 1594 01:40:09.239 --> 01:40:12.039 lifted types or was it a set low kind of 1595 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:13.840 a jeep that just happened to have a plot, more 1596 01:40:13.920 --> 01:40:17.239 like a utility jeep than a sexy I'm driving around 1597 01:40:17.319 --> 01:40:21.520 West Palm Beach kind of a jeep. To me, I'm 1598 01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:22.720 not even trying to be funny. 1599 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:27.039 Just the only difference, Like when I looked at the 1600 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:31.760 pictures side by side, and the only difference that I saw, 1601 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:35.439 and admittedly I wasn't looking to see if it had 1602 01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:40.159 a lift kit, but the only difference that I noticed 1603 01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:44.560 between the two models was four door versus two door, 1604 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:48.479 Like they had the same type of top like on 1605 01:40:48.600 --> 01:40:50.880 the back, like everything else looked. And that's the thing 1606 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:56.119 about jeeps, they really they're so consistent from model year 1607 01:40:56.199 --> 01:40:59.199 to model year that it's tough to even gauge what 1608 01:40:59.399 --> 01:41:03.079 year it is because you know, it's just very consistent, 1609 01:41:03.159 --> 01:41:05.800 a very classic design to it. 1610 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:09.439 Wow, to see I'll just see the photos because a 1611 01:41:09.560 --> 01:41:12.439 lot of people that plow will use a more utility 1612 01:41:12.560 --> 01:41:15.159 looking jeep that they didn't spend a ton of money 1613 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.960 on it, and it doesn't have thirty three inch tires 1614 01:41:18.039 --> 01:41:20.279 and a lift kit and all that neat stuff. And 1615 01:41:20.479 --> 01:41:24.760 the four door jeeps have become very much a fashion plate. 1616 01:41:24.840 --> 01:41:27.479 Anybody who goes down to Destin, Florida, there is an 1617 01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:31.720 entire dealership that has nothing but lifted jeeps. And you 1618 01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:34.800 can either buy one that they've customized that say okay, 1619 01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:37.600 I like that one, or they'll customize one for you. 1620 01:41:37.720 --> 01:41:42.479 But there's nothing but four door lifted jeeps with all 1621 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:46.159 different assortment of rims and brush bars and everything else. 1622 01:41:46.239 --> 01:41:49.680 So that was the thing where I'm picturing Higgins in 1623 01:41:50.199 --> 01:41:53.399 more of a winter type jeep that he plows with 1624 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:58.600 rather than a jeep that's a fashion fashion statement. Most 1625 01:41:58.640 --> 01:42:00.800 of those jeeps never even leave the road. They never 1626 01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:03.159 even go off the road. They're meant to be washed 1627 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:07.000 and waxed and and and you know, tire shine and 1628 01:42:07.359 --> 01:42:08.720 the whole nine yards. Yeah but. 1629 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:11.239 Wrong. 1630 01:42:12.600 --> 01:42:19.359 Yeah, So these flames right here, I just got to know, 1631 01:42:19.479 --> 01:42:22.840 are these for Beatrice again? Are these for Grace or me. 1632 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:23.640 I'm just kidding. 1633 01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:24.760 There's one for each of us. 1634 01:42:25.279 --> 01:42:27.000 There you go, that's why there's three. 1635 01:42:27.239 --> 01:42:35.359 Yeah, let's see. Is there anything? Yes, somebody was responding 1636 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:37.920 to some idiot that was saying Chloe is still alive 1637 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:41.079 and troop or somebody has the the the proof. So 1638 01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:43.079 we just kicked him out of here because we don't 1639 01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:45.199 need one of the mcalverts in here just acting like 1640 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:45.680 an idiot. 1641 01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:51.600 Because you know, if ANDFO about the shelter that Chloe 1642 01:42:52.359 --> 01:42:56.800 originated from, because remember how Nicole said that Chloe had 1643 01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:03.039 originated from a shelter in Texas and when it was 1644 01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:07.600 time to rehome Chloe that she had first contacted the 1645 01:43:07.680 --> 01:43:10.600 shelter in Texas to see if they had any connections 1646 01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:17.000 for rehoming her. I live like an hour away from 1647 01:43:17.239 --> 01:43:23.439 the Texas German Shepherd Rescue whatever. Like I'd if anybody 1648 01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:27.720 has any like further information, I'd be happy to go 1649 01:43:27.840 --> 01:43:30.840 over and speak to them or contact them or whatever. 1650 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:36.399 If we knew that that was where, you know, I mean, 1651 01:43:36.399 --> 01:43:38.880 it would be a very awkward conversation, but I'd be 1652 01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:41.439 happy to give it a try if if it could 1653 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:43.279 further the investigation. 1654 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:48.079 Yeah, I don't. I don't think they that nobody knows 1655 01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:50.880 where that dog is period. Nobody knows that that dog 1656 01:43:51.039 --> 01:43:51.920 where she came from. 1657 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:56.479 I would that would be so interesting to know, like, oh, yeah, 1658 01:43:56.600 --> 01:43:59.960 Nicole did call Versus, No, we never heard from them again. 1659 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:03.359 Yeah, I mean you would have to get with I 1660 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:06.920 mean they probably have expunged the records from the veterinarian. 1661 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:11.279 The veterinarian, what you will have turned over all the 1662 01:44:11.399 --> 01:44:14.960 records that you had to the veterinarian, specifically the initial 1663 01:44:15.319 --> 01:44:18.840 shots that she got as a puppy. Yeah, you guys 1664 01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:21.560 heard that gentleman who was on with Melanie Little and 1665 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:27.239 I'll forget his name, what's his name, Garrett Wing? Garrett Wing? 1666 01:44:27.359 --> 01:44:30.840 And he said, generally they don't use the females as 1667 01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:36.680 as police dogs, but that's not a universal rule. And 1668 01:44:36.800 --> 01:44:40.560 it's quite possible that that that Chloe had tried and 1669 01:44:40.720 --> 01:44:43.800 failed out of those one of those academies, and that's 1670 01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:45.920 how they were able to get her. Because I'm sure 1671 01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:48.800 Brian Albert wouldn't be spending like two or three thousand 1672 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.960 dollars on a purebred German shepherd. He'd be looking like 1673 01:44:52.239 --> 01:44:54.760 I can get new rims from my truck. Yeah, so 1674 01:44:56.119 --> 01:45:01.399 what's this Nurse Sasha, thank you for your coming up there. 1675 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.640 Karen losing her mind in the background was genuine. 1676 01:45:04.399 --> 01:45:09.640 Yet oh yeah, I think. 1677 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:15.319 Yeah, Sasha, basically, Sasha, where's your other comment? But Sasha 1678 01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:19.560 was basically saying that Jen's behavior was inconsistent. Here it 1679 01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:23.560 is right here, this is what it was. Somebody reading. 1680 01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:27.560 No one ever calls nine one one so calm like 1681 01:45:27.720 --> 01:45:31.159 she did. If you know the person you're you're taking 1682 01:45:31.199 --> 01:45:31.520 back and. 1683 01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:36.119 Are taken by surprise, yeah again, And you're not going 1684 01:45:36.239 --> 01:45:40.600 to discourage people from doing CPR. And you're not going 1685 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:42.880 to tell nine one one that you think he's already 1686 01:45:42.920 --> 01:45:45.279 gone when you haven't even been there to a set Like, 1687 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.239 there's just so much wrong with that conversation. 1688 01:45:49.319 --> 01:45:53.840 Let's just think passed out in the lawn Daddy the 1689 01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:57.840 famous Albert's residence. Everybody knows them all around the way 1690 01:45:57.840 --> 01:45:58.600 all they're famous. 1691 01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:02.079 Well, and that's an other thing that I take so 1692 01:46:02.760 --> 01:46:08.399 much issue with is why did she feel comfortable going 1693 01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:11.399 into that house? Like when I put myself in Jen 1694 01:46:11.560 --> 01:46:14.600 McCabe's shoes, if I have tried to call my sister, 1695 01:46:14.720 --> 01:46:16.479 if I have tried to call my brother, in law, 1696 01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:20.520 nobody's answering, the dog is not going bonkers. There's a 1697 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:22.439 dead man out and in the front of the lawn. 1698 01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:26.159 In my mind, everyone in the house has been annihilated 1699 01:46:26.279 --> 01:46:28.319 and it is not safe to go in there. I 1700 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:31.199 would be begging the police to kick down the door 1701 01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:34.319 to make sure that my relatives were alive. I wouldn't 1702 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:38.279 be like scuttering off and like, you know, sneaking in 1703 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:41.760 to let them know. I would be like, and if 1704 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:44.920 I were the police, I'd be thinking, exigen circumstances, we 1705 01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.359 need to kick down the door and make sure that 1706 01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:49.560 this isn't a massacre. 1707 01:46:50.319 --> 01:46:53.640 But they you know, let's talk about that for a second. 1708 01:46:53.680 --> 01:46:55.840 But I just want to say thank you to Colleen, 1709 01:46:55.960 --> 01:47:00.600 because Colleen obviously is the proprietor of a horse rescue, 1710 01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:04.239 And thank you very much Colleen for doing that. Ma'am. Yeah, 1711 01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.760 and yeah, yeah, and the other thing. And val hal 1712 01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:11.439 Law has something. But I want to say this again. 1713 01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:13.960 We could look at Grace, we could look at lenses, 1714 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:18.520 and you're looking through the lens of somebody who doesn't 1715 01:47:18.600 --> 01:47:22.359 look at Brian Albert with the sense of idolatry that 1716 01:47:22.720 --> 01:47:27.119 certainly Jen McCabe does. This is a superhero. This is 1717 01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:33.159 super Cop, this is RoboCop, this is the the unbeatable, 1718 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:38.079 unbreakable Brian Albert. And she will not have thought, even 1719 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:41.640 if she didn't know, you know what, you make a 1720 01:47:41.720 --> 01:47:44.319 good point, but she would think, there's nobody going to 1721 01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:46.960 that house and taking out Brian Albert not gonna happen. 1722 01:47:47.239 --> 01:47:50.960 He probably has weapons in the bathroom under the vanity 1723 01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.119 taped to the toilet seat, like the Godfather Godfather one. 1724 01:47:56.199 --> 01:47:58.560 If you guys remember that, remember Michael goes in the 1725 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:00.159 bathroom and okay, you guys. 1726 01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:01.960 The one. 1727 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:10.039 I'm smart, so but yeah, so it's possible. But I 1728 01:48:10.199 --> 01:48:14.399 agree her behavior is is all of their behaviors are 1729 01:48:14.479 --> 01:48:18.000 behaviors of guilt. That's why this is so absurd. A 1730 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:21.079 prosecutor would have ripped and I'm going to curse now, 1731 01:48:21.159 --> 01:48:23.800 would have ripped the ship out of every one of 1732 01:48:23.880 --> 01:48:26.520 these people if they were civilians, they would have tore 1733 01:48:26.680 --> 01:48:30.800 them limb from limb. There would be nothing left sitting 1734 01:48:31.720 --> 01:48:35.079 at the defense table if they were civilians, because every 1735 01:48:35.239 --> 01:48:38.399 single thing they did is guilty. So when an idiot 1736 01:48:38.520 --> 01:48:41.600 shows up in this chat and acts like, oh, they 1737 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:46.600 have Chloe's records, you have no proof that Chloe is alive, 1738 01:48:46.720 --> 01:48:51.880 My friend none period. Chloe is dead, buried in rural 1739 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:57.479 Massachusetts somewhere, sadly because I love dogs. Another Brian Albert victim. 1740 01:48:57.680 --> 01:49:01.720 Brian Albert like the idea that he doesn't lock his door. 1741 01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:07.640 I mean, give me a break. Who pisses off fugitives 1742 01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.880 on the daily and then doesn't lock their own front door? 1743 01:49:12.039 --> 01:49:15.800 Like that makes no sense to me. And the fact 1744 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.119 that he's a combat veteran. I mean, my husband is 1745 01:49:19.119 --> 01:49:23.760 a combat veteran. Like he is obsessive about locking the doors. 1746 01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:27.640 He is obsessive about protecting our family. He doesn't like 1747 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:30.800 he's never fully asleep at night, Like he hears one 1748 01:49:30.880 --> 01:49:33.560 little sound and he's like up to go investigate it, 1749 01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:36.359 you know, back to his you know, back to the 1750 01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:38.840 corner in any restaurant, to be able to keep an 1751 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:41.960 eye on everything. Like I think all of these things 1752 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:47.279 are reflexes. So Brian Albert seems to be acting out 1753 01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:52.439 of character as well by not having these basic reflexes. 1754 01:49:52.560 --> 01:49:56.960 I mean, was he really so deeply asleep that he 1755 01:49:57.239 --> 01:49:59.520 missed the commotion on the lawn? Like what kind of 1756 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:00.520 first you're wonder? 1757 01:50:00.680 --> 01:50:00.880 Is that? 1758 01:50:01.560 --> 01:50:05.000 Nobody? I mean, but I mean, you can't even you 1759 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:08.159 can't even answer that question because to answer, for you 1760 01:50:08.279 --> 01:50:12.319 to answer that question, Grace means that it's a serious question. 1761 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:15.640 So you for you to even just go through the 1762 01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:19.600 the energy and air you just took to convert up 1763 01:50:19.760 --> 01:50:22.720 CO two to oxygen you know for yourself, is like, 1764 01:50:23.159 --> 01:50:25.560 of course it's a lie. Of course Keller is a liar. 1765 01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:28.760 These guys are liars. That's what they do. So that's 1766 01:50:28.840 --> 01:50:32.439 their game. So this one right here, maybe a beaterest 1767 01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:35.079 can read this one from Dallas. Great job tonight, by 1768 01:50:35.079 --> 01:50:38.199 the way, Dallas, great questions, great interaction bringing it. 1769 01:50:38.960 --> 01:50:42.199 Grace in my mind was blown with your last video 1770 01:50:42.319 --> 01:50:45.359 and the explanation of the floors. I've been racking my 1771 01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:48.439 brain over the floors. What was your reaction when you 1772 01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:50.560 experiment your experiment work? 1773 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:52.079 Surprised or excited? 1774 01:50:52.720 --> 01:51:02.279 Oh? Both? Well, not necessarily. I was surprised. Okay, so 1775 01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:06.119 you have to remember that there was a delay in 1776 01:51:06.359 --> 01:51:10.399 logging the floors, so I thought that my experiment had failed. 1777 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:16.560 I was like, oh, like I really I was, quite frankly, 1778 01:51:16.640 --> 01:51:19.199 I was kind of annoyed that I had flung myself 1779 01:51:19.279 --> 01:51:23.560 on the floor so passionately, like I mean, I really 1780 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:26.880 committed to the bit, you know, like I was flinging 1781 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.720 myself down and getting back up and hopping around like 1782 01:51:29.800 --> 01:51:33.000 a boxer and flinging myself down again. So when I 1783 01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:36.479 looked and I saw that there was no data, I 1784 01:51:36.680 --> 01:51:40.640 was like, oh God, Like I was so disappointed. And 1785 01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:43.920 then later when I went to start up a different 1786 01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:46.600 when I went to start up the CPR experiment, I 1787 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:49.600 looked and I was like, oh, my gosh, there hit 1788 01:51:49.680 --> 01:51:50.039 the floor. 1789 01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:51.199 When did it happen? 1790 01:51:51.560 --> 01:51:56.920 And it was exactly during the time that my flinging 1791 01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:00.439 down experiments had taken place, And so that's when I 1792 01:52:00.600 --> 01:52:03.119 was excited because I was like, I knew it. I 1793 01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:07.960 knew it because I knew that that that that there 1794 01:52:08.039 --> 01:52:11.920 was another explanation that it literally did not make sense 1795 01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:17.399 for him to be ascending and descending. Well, first of all, descending. 1796 01:52:17.640 --> 01:52:20.079 They don't track descending floors, so I knew that that 1797 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:25.960 was a problem, but there was no there, Like the 1798 01:52:26.039 --> 01:52:29.399 math just wasn't coming together until that moment, and I 1799 01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:32.119 was like, it was just such a victory, you know, like. 1800 01:52:33.680 --> 01:52:35.479 And a lot of us didn't even know that. We 1801 01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:38.399 didn't even know it doesn't track descending only uscending. 1802 01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:41.479 It was so weird that they that everyone agreed on 1803 01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:46.239 that language when it literally doesn't tracticscend like, show me 1804 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:49.960 one that does. I've never seen it, and it certainly 1805 01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:53.880 wasn't that night. Because of Newton's laws of gravity, anything 1806 01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:56.239 that went up would have come back down. We know 1807 01:52:56.319 --> 01:52:59.279 that Jen McCabe didn't stay in Brian Albert's bedroom forever. 1808 01:52:59.640 --> 01:53:01.439 She had come back down, but there was no log 1809 01:53:01.479 --> 01:53:05.399 of it. So because of the lack of paired data, 1810 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:10.479 it demonstrates that descending floors were not tracked that night 1811 01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.880 or possibly ever. So it's just weird that both sides 1812 01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:15.760 agreed to use that language. 1813 01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:18.520 You know, Can I ask you a question, though, grace 1814 01:53:19.199 --> 01:53:22.079 to both you and Beatrice want to say hello to 1815 01:53:22.239 --> 01:53:24.720 the sexy John Pomo ya. 1816 01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:33.920 Hey, John Canton besides missus queen of course. Yeah, going 1817 01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:37.520 back to get the phone shows who what video. 1818 01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:41.520 I think he's talking about because I saw it pop 1819 01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:46.600 up when you were talking about Carrie okay or yeah? 1820 01:53:46.680 --> 01:53:50.199 I think yeah, about her her actions in terms of 1821 01:53:50.279 --> 01:53:54.560 the the car, like going, exiting the car, getting the phone, 1822 01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:56.880 that kind of stuff. I think that's what she's talking about. 1823 01:53:58.079 --> 01:54:02.319 Oh oh, do I need to see oh, John, let 1824 01:54:02.319 --> 01:54:05.640 me see if he wants to Yeah, he did just clarified. 1825 01:54:06.800 --> 01:54:08.119 He wants to come on real quick. 1826 01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:09.359 Okay, he said. 1827 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:12.199 I just went back to Sarah shows up on the 1828 01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:14.800 scene at six ' ten, and the phone would have 1829 01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:16.920 lined up with Carrie's movement. 1830 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:23.239 The dash cam would show the movements. 1831 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:29.119 Okay, So so Sarah, we'll try to get him on 1832 01:54:29.199 --> 01:54:31.840 here so he can. Yeah, so he can. I just 1833 01:54:31.880 --> 01:54:33.760 sent him a link, so or I sent the link 1834 01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:36.760 to the chat. So get up in here if he wants. Yeah, 1835 01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:38.960 that's fine. I mean, if somebody else wants to come up, 1836 01:54:39.039 --> 01:54:40.720 we're not. We don't have a whole lot of time left. 1837 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:42.560 So this will be kind of like the last thing. 1838 01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:46.159 Uh DJ The information I pulled up on Chloe, I 1839 01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:49.199 will send you if she finds credible. If great, that's 1840 01:54:49.279 --> 01:54:51.479 not all right, all right, thank you Reality Check. And 1841 01:54:51.600 --> 01:54:53.560 by the way, thank you very much for your donation 1842 01:54:53.680 --> 01:54:57.319 of four ninety nine. Friend, can I get a. 1843 01:55:00.079 --> 01:55:03.439 Eh, uh, who's here? 1844 01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:04.159 The legend? 1845 01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:07.560 Oh god, he the man legend? 1846 01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:14.920 Oh. 1847 01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:18.479 I want John, before you say anything, I want to 1848 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:22.199 talk about the Fu Manchu because you look like one 1849 01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:24.720 of the characters in slap Shot, and you and I 1850 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:27.600 are the only two on this panel that know that movie. 1851 01:55:27.960 --> 01:55:31.880 I actually know some I actually know the man that 1852 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:34.760 comes out Poodles, that comes out at the end of 1853 01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:38.279 the movie. He's got the big afro. Uh played hockey 1854 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:43.800 against my father back down in the Cape Cod League, Lucier. 1855 01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:46.279 He comes out right after the Indian on that last 1856 01:55:46.399 --> 01:55:48.600 and that the last game when they when the other 1857 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:52.720 team lines up with all the tough guys. I love it. 1858 01:55:52.960 --> 01:55:55.960 Yeah, I knew there was a connection. So wonderful Fu Manchu. 1859 01:55:56.520 --> 01:55:59.039 That alone deserves an award. I just want to say 1860 01:55:59.079 --> 01:56:00.960 that you're gonna have to bear with me. 1861 01:56:01.039 --> 01:56:03.039 You're gonna have to bear with me because I you know, 1862 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.079 I'm not in a studio. I don't have you know. 1863 01:56:05.159 --> 01:56:07.560 I just I was watching the Patriots and watching you 1864 01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:11.960 guys at the same time. And and I've been I 1865 01:56:12.079 --> 01:56:17.960 know some people know I've been doing similar, similar thing, 1866 01:56:18.199 --> 01:56:22.000 research into like everybody's testimony and lining it up with what, 1867 01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:26.960 you know, what actually happened, you know, Like, so I 1868 01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:29.359 just went back and I looked, and Sarah shows up 1869 01:56:29.399 --> 01:56:32.239 on scene at six ' ten. Okay, And the one 1870 01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:35.000 thing I haven't done is I didn't match because we 1871 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:37.560 we know Kerry had the phone. We just don't know 1872 01:56:37.840 --> 01:56:40.279 from when she had the phone, and she doesn't even 1873 01:56:40.319 --> 01:56:43.199 know who she handed the phone to. So the one 1874 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:44.840 thing I didn't do is go back through all the 1875 01:56:44.840 --> 01:56:47.119 footage and look at all the dash camps to see 1876 01:56:47.640 --> 01:56:51.600 what matches Kerry's movements, and then what when the phone? 1877 01:56:51.760 --> 01:56:53.760 I want to see it, like when did she hand 1878 01:56:53.800 --> 01:56:56.079 it off? Because when does the phone move and Kerry's 1879 01:56:56.119 --> 01:56:57.000 not moving, you know. 1880 01:56:57.159 --> 01:57:00.760 Right, good point, very good point. Yeah, I wish I 1881 01:57:00.840 --> 01:57:03.479 wish we had Carrie's data. I wish that we had 1882 01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:07.399 Karen's data. Would be helpful, you know, because that would 1883 01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:12.439 make the Commonwealth's whole Oh John acquired those floors when 1884 01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:16.239 he was driving on a hilly road, like you know, 1885 01:57:16.520 --> 01:57:19.720 like if if Karen's data didn't have that, then guess what, 1886 01:57:20.319 --> 01:57:23.399 it didn't happen. So it would be nice if we 1887 01:57:23.560 --> 01:57:27.119 had everybody else's. I would love to see higgins step 1888 01:57:27.560 --> 01:57:31.760 data because I am like, so, I'm like ninety nine 1889 01:57:31.800 --> 01:57:34.159 percent sure that he was the one that dropped the 1890 01:57:34.199 --> 01:57:39.239 phone off directly between the flagpole and the fire hydrant 1891 01:57:40.239 --> 01:57:43.439 on his way back. Yep, Yeah, I would love to 1892 01:57:43.479 --> 01:57:46.760 see his step data. But you know these things happen 1893 01:57:47.000 --> 01:57:50.079 on base. You know, sometimes you just have to get 1894 01:57:50.159 --> 01:57:51.560 rid of your phone in your SIM card. 1895 01:57:52.119 --> 01:57:55.000 Oh yeah, I mean that's why I always go to 1896 01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:58.119 like some sort of secure facility to dispose of my 1897 01:57:58.199 --> 01:58:00.800 SIM card. I mean that is credit that is totally 1898 01:58:00.880 --> 01:58:03.960 consistent with behavior for an innocent person. 1899 01:58:04.159 --> 01:58:08.159 After having specific if information extracted too on top exactly. 1900 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:11.560 Yeah, going over to the very normal. Yeah, read to 1901 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:13.800 get John to read this after I say, thank you, 1902 01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.600 go ahead if you would read this one, John, Thank. 1903 01:58:19.439 --> 01:58:26.880 You, lilass. I'm using my phone, so I told you 1904 01:58:27.000 --> 01:58:28.119 you with me. 1905 01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:29.680 Yeah, this is you. 1906 01:58:30.000 --> 01:58:30.880 I got you John. 1907 01:58:31.199 --> 01:58:31.520 Thank you. 1908 01:58:33.720 --> 01:58:34.920 To you guys. I just can't read. 1909 01:58:35.359 --> 01:58:38.079 Oh he was going to say he didn't have his glasses. 1910 01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:41.760 That's how much I've watched him anyways, crazy Brazilian lady, 1911 01:58:41.840 --> 01:58:46.439 thank you for the What makes me happy is Coco 1912 01:58:46.920 --> 01:58:49.359 try to sleep every night and knows the truth that 1913 01:58:49.520 --> 01:58:52.279 Karen didn't do it, can't wait to see her next 1914 01:58:52.399 --> 01:58:55.159 child and look at and look like an eighty year 1915 01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:57.720 old lady from all the stress. 1916 01:58:58.479 --> 01:59:02.560 Yeah, oh man, it's someone else. We got another one 1917 01:59:02.600 --> 01:59:04.720 from d mart. Thank you, so, oh man, look at 1918 01:59:04.760 --> 01:59:07.479 this man from de Mart. Let me get this in here. 1919 01:59:07.920 --> 01:59:14.800 Oh no, oh, look at this, missus Mullant Mullins. 1920 01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:18.479 You didn't have to do that, detective. Thank you very much, ma'am. 1921 01:59:18.520 --> 01:59:21.159 I appreciate it. Thank you for letting us barrow this 1922 01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:23.319 sexy animal a couple. 1923 01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:28.920 Uh So I the last last week I had a 1924 01:59:28.960 --> 01:59:34.840 little fun with similar things where I broke down Dally's 1925 01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:40.680 testimony compared to Chris's testimony compared to the actual times 1926 01:59:40.720 --> 01:59:42.840 from the surveillance footages, and when they left the bar, 1927 01:59:43.640 --> 01:59:47.840 and well, there's no way, there's no way she could 1928 01:59:47.840 --> 01:59:52.560 have so well, first off, we know they lied because 1929 01:59:52.600 --> 01:59:56.880 she either lied to Colin or so so she she 1930 01:59:57.319 --> 02:00:02.319 when Colin texted at eleven fifty four, come get me right, 1931 02:00:03.079 --> 02:00:05.520 and she said, I'm driving people home. But according to 1932 02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:10.279 her testimony, she said after she dropped other people home, 1933 02:00:10.680 --> 02:00:13.239 she went to someone else's house. She never says whose house, 1934 02:00:13.439 --> 02:00:14.479 and she never says where. 1935 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:15.119 Right. 1936 02:00:15.560 --> 02:00:17.199 But here's the thing. One of the girls that she 1937 02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:20.359 dropped off lives one block away from thirty four failure 1938 02:00:20.760 --> 02:00:25.439 on Spring Lane. Okay, that being said, so in eleventh, 1939 02:00:25.800 --> 02:00:29.760 if we were to believe the texts, we texts her 1940 02:00:29.760 --> 02:00:32.680 at eleven fifty four, come get me once again, I 1941 02:00:33.399 --> 02:00:35.800 don't believe them, but we'll go. We'll go with their facts. 1942 02:00:36.560 --> 02:00:40.239 So she also her Life three sixty shows her leaving 1943 02:00:40.359 --> 02:00:47.600 her house at eleven twelve twelve O six right, well, 1944 02:00:48.039 --> 02:00:50.600 to get from her house to his house, right, it 1945 02:00:50.720 --> 02:00:52.880 was four minutes. No, it's not four minutes, especially in 1946 02:00:52.960 --> 02:00:57.000 the snow. It's more like seven or eight minutes. And 1947 02:00:57.560 --> 02:01:00.319 when Chris says he leaves the bar at twelve, I 1948 02:01:00.399 --> 02:01:02.119 did a whole thing where like I put it all 1949 02:01:02.159 --> 02:01:05.159 in chronicle logical orders, and I'm like, well, there's there's 1950 02:01:05.279 --> 02:01:10.239 no way that Ali could have pulled into the driveway 1951 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:16.359 on the left side because Brian, because Coco and Coco's 1952 02:01:16.399 --> 02:01:18.359 car was there, and then Brian would have pulled in 1953 02:01:18.800 --> 02:01:21.079 with the car that they came back from the bar 1954 02:01:21.239 --> 02:01:26.239 with and so, and they said that they saw Colin 1955 02:01:26.319 --> 02:01:28.520 on his way out. So there's no way Ali pulled 1956 02:01:28.560 --> 02:01:30.840 into the left side of the driveway because that would 1957 02:01:30.840 --> 02:01:33.159 have been full. So if she, let's say, and she 1958 02:01:33.439 --> 02:01:37.680 she is correct that she didn't see Jen because they 1959 02:01:37.720 --> 02:01:40.279 would have crossed paths, because Jen was on her way 1960 02:01:40.319 --> 02:01:42.880 from the bar to thirty four fair View and she 1961 02:01:42.960 --> 02:01:44.960 would have been on her way from thirty four Fairview 1962 02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:47.720 to the library or the condos next to the library, 1963 02:01:47.920 --> 02:01:51.079 So they would have had the Life three sixty, would 1964 02:01:51.119 --> 02:01:53.600 have had to cross paths with each other. 1965 02:01:54.199 --> 02:01:58.920 Yeah. Yeah, so the Life three sixty Life three sixty is. 1966 02:02:00.279 --> 02:02:04.319 I was very surprised that they didn't share more detailed 1967 02:02:04.359 --> 02:02:08.239 information from it, because it's there, like it's you just 1968 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:10.600 have to tap on the trip to get all the 1969 02:02:10.680 --> 02:02:13.479 specific details of it. So it was odd to me 1970 02:02:13.600 --> 02:02:16.359 that they only shared the overviews of it, like they 1971 02:02:16.399 --> 02:02:19.760 could have had very specific information from that. 1972 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:22.680 Well, if she had picked up Colin at the times 1973 02:02:22.760 --> 02:02:25.560 they said she did and brought them home, they would 1974 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:29.479 have beat Chris home on his walk home from the waterfall. 1975 02:02:30.159 --> 02:02:30.720 Makes sense. 1976 02:02:31.279 --> 02:02:36.960 And yet Chris, so there's no way that that happened 1977 02:02:37.079 --> 02:02:39.920 with the way they're saying it. And so when I 1978 02:02:40.000 --> 02:02:42.800 posted that, I got I got attacked on Twitter. They're 1979 02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:45.439 all like, well, what your infatuation with girls and this 1980 02:02:45.520 --> 02:02:47.840 and that. I go, it's not infatuating girls, I mean 1981 02:02:47.960 --> 02:02:52.319 infatuated with the lies exactly because because because it just 1982 02:02:52.399 --> 02:02:53.000 doesn't math. 1983 02:02:53.439 --> 02:02:54.199 Yeah, it's. 1984 02:02:56.319 --> 02:02:59.880 Can I interrupt here for a second. Apparently girls are 1985 02:03:00.079 --> 02:03:04.159 are in factuate with John because John the people have spoken, 1986 02:03:04.600 --> 02:03:05.079 my friend. 1987 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:11.039 Yeah, sure, So you know what happened the other night? 1988 02:03:11.319 --> 02:03:14.840 I shaved on Friday night? No wait, whit night was 1989 02:03:15.199 --> 02:03:18.560 the snowstorm. Friday was a snowstorm. So yes, So Saturday 1990 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:20.479 morning I was like, oh my god, I got a 1991 02:03:20.479 --> 02:03:22.560 shave and like two years ago, I only had like 1992 02:03:22.720 --> 02:03:26.159 three little whites right here, and I went into shave 1993 02:03:26.239 --> 02:03:28.039 and there was a whole quality and I'm like, that's it. 1994 02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:30.800 Those things are coming off right now. But just just 1995 02:03:30.880 --> 02:03:34.279 for the just for Christmas, I'm doing the food Manchu, 1996 02:03:34.680 --> 02:03:35.560 that'll all come off. 1997 02:03:35.760 --> 02:03:38.680 I love it. It looks, it looks awesome, looks cool. 1998 02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:41.920 I think what I'm seeing here is the next time 1999 02:03:41.960 --> 02:03:44.359 we need to have, like we need to do this over, 2000 02:03:44.479 --> 02:03:46.520 but do this for like two hours. Is John and 2001 02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:50.479 his colleague here, Grace. I think that's what we need 2002 02:03:50.560 --> 02:03:56.039 to do, right Yeah, yeah, yes, I'll have to say, yeah, 2003 02:03:57.079 --> 02:03:59.439 I will want to geek out with others, you. 2004 02:03:59.479 --> 02:04:04.039 Know, yeah, because yours are so much better, Like you know, 2005 02:04:04.119 --> 02:04:06.039 I watch all yours. Yours is you know, I'm just 2006 02:04:06.359 --> 02:04:08.359 I'm just going in through all the court, you know, 2007 02:04:08.600 --> 02:04:11.880 just doing screen records from what they said in court, 2008 02:04:12.000 --> 02:04:13.239 you know, that's important too. 2009 02:04:13.359 --> 02:04:17.199 I feel like it's it is far too big for anyone, 2010 02:04:17.520 --> 02:04:20.760 any one person to do the whole thing, Like everybody 2011 02:04:20.880 --> 02:04:24.640 has to kind of have their own little like bitty 2012 02:04:24.680 --> 02:04:27.960 bit and they're focusing on yeah, and so I love 2013 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:32.159 that everybody, like the JFK guys are focusing on the 2014 02:04:32.279 --> 02:04:34.680 waterfall and you're focusing on the testimony. 2015 02:04:34.760 --> 02:04:35.720 Like it's great that. 2016 02:04:35.840 --> 02:04:41.479 Everybody is just kind of tornadoing down on just specific 2017 02:04:41.600 --> 02:04:42.279 little chunks. 2018 02:04:43.079 --> 02:04:45.520 So the big thing is it's like a lot of people, 2019 02:04:46.560 --> 02:04:50.119 you know, I find it nobody. I shouldn't say nobody. 2020 02:04:50.359 --> 02:04:53.439 A lot of people. Their attention span is like three 2021 02:04:53.479 --> 02:04:56.359 to five minutes, and that's and that's that's a given, 2022 02:04:56.479 --> 02:04:59.079 Like nobody's gonna watch, uh, you know, a ten twenty 2023 02:04:59.159 --> 02:05:02.079 minute video. So I'm like, Okay, I got to get 2024 02:05:02.119 --> 02:05:03.960 it down and I don't want to pay for the 2025 02:05:04.039 --> 02:05:05.960 extra Twitter, so I have to keep it under a 2026 02:05:06.039 --> 02:05:10.479 certain amount to post videos on Twitter. So that's so 2027 02:05:10.600 --> 02:05:12.439 that's why I try to keep mind is short, like 2028 02:05:12.840 --> 02:05:14.880 and what will happen is I'll be so I'll be 2029 02:05:15.079 --> 02:05:17.680 going through whether it's on Facebook at Twitter, and I'll 2030 02:05:17.720 --> 02:05:21.039 be watching the arguments and someone will say something and 2031 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:23.800 I'm like okay, and I go right back into all 2032 02:05:23.840 --> 02:05:26.359 the video footage and I'm like nope, nope, nope, and 2033 02:05:26.439 --> 02:05:28.600 then I put it all together. Yeah. 2034 02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:31.760 I mean, that's what's amazing about this whole movement. That 2035 02:05:31.960 --> 02:05:36.199 you have Grace in Texas who is taking the time 2036 02:05:36.560 --> 02:05:39.239 to do stuff from Massachusetts. 2037 02:05:38.520 --> 02:05:41.079 And that's what's amazing. I mean, you're right. 2038 02:05:41.239 --> 02:05:43.760 I know that you're not in Canton right now, but yeah, 2039 02:05:44.079 --> 02:05:47.720 but I'm in there daily almost right, So, I mean 2040 02:05:48.000 --> 02:05:51.159 it's like we're all playing our part and it's amazing 2041 02:05:51.399 --> 02:05:55.199 what we've been able to create and unintentionally just from 2042 02:05:55.279 --> 02:05:58.399 watching the sham of a trial, that we are all 2043 02:05:58.640 --> 02:06:00.960 dissecting this on a whole nother level. 2044 02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:04.039 I've never seen anything like this be done. And that's 2045 02:06:04.039 --> 02:06:06.880 why I even like when I I saw the when 2046 02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:09.680 on the Las Vegas cops, I'm like, thank you for 2047 02:06:09.840 --> 02:06:13.960 taking an interest in our state. You know, It's it's 2048 02:06:14.079 --> 02:06:17.760 crazy the amount of support everywhere. I mean, the Aussies, 2049 02:06:17.840 --> 02:06:21.479 like every everyone is just putting in so much effort. 2050 02:06:21.319 --> 02:06:24.960 Into helping us, and who knows, maybe the process, I mean, 2051 02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:27.880 the defense is out there listening to us and all 2052 02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:30.279 our crazy theories and what we think and maybe they 2053 02:06:30.800 --> 02:06:34.479 take something away from each and every you know YouTube. 2054 02:06:35.560 --> 02:06:35.680 Ye. 2055 02:06:37.159 --> 02:06:40.199 Race is a native, by the way, so her heart, Yeah. 2056 02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:43.520 My heart is in Massachusetts, but my body has been 2057 02:06:43.600 --> 02:06:45.720 here in Texas for the last eighteen years. 2058 02:06:46.920 --> 02:06:49.359 Real quickly, real quickly. I saw something go across. I 2059 02:06:49.880 --> 02:06:54.640 can't read everything, but I did see a free whitey. Yeah, yeah, 2060 02:06:55.520 --> 02:06:58.520 I'm going I'm going on on that day. I was 2061 02:06:59.079 --> 02:07:02.840 there that night and nothing happened. 2062 02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:07.399 M hm, yeah that was for That was for Dinah 2063 02:07:07.520 --> 02:07:12.840 because she's one of the standout warriors. That's Dina, right, yes. 2064 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:14.960 It is then the Dina. 2065 02:07:15.640 --> 02:07:17.199 Yes, I saw her this morning. 2066 02:07:18.479 --> 02:07:22.000 Oh, micro Dotson was oppressed with Grace to not check 2067 02:07:22.079 --> 02:07:22.319 out the. 2068 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:26.439 High Richie Richie. 2069 02:07:28.800 --> 02:07:32.399 I love his work. He's so skilled with technology. I'm 2070 02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:35.359 over here with the Fisher Price toys like line. That 2071 02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:35.680 was me. 2072 02:07:36.079 --> 02:07:38.159 I used to send my stuff to him. I used 2073 02:07:38.199 --> 02:07:40.319 to send my stuff to him before I posted. I'd 2074 02:07:40.359 --> 02:07:41.880 be like, what do you think is this good enough 2075 02:07:41.920 --> 02:07:44.119 to post? And he's like go ahead. I'm like, oh, 2076 02:07:44.239 --> 02:07:46.560 thank you me awesome. 2077 02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:49.479 Let me ask a question to Dennis because Dennis is 2078 02:07:49.520 --> 02:07:52.239 in the chat. Dennis, are you ready for the Canton 2079 02:07:52.319 --> 02:07:55.600 round table, we're talking about you, We're talking about your 2080 02:07:55.640 --> 02:08:02.239 wife John Tom Scott. Let's get a bunch of legend 2081 02:08:02.319 --> 02:08:02.760 film there. 2082 02:08:03.319 --> 02:08:04.880 Well, yeah, we need some legends. 2083 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:10.840 But Dennis today said Dennis referred to Grace as the 2084 02:08:10.920 --> 02:08:12.079 female micro dots. 2085 02:08:12.920 --> 02:08:16.279 Yes, yes, thank you Dennis. 2086 02:08:17.159 --> 02:08:17.800 Yes, he did. 2087 02:08:18.920 --> 02:08:21.439 What we're going to say, well, I mean I need 2088 02:08:21.479 --> 02:08:24.199 you for this one because because you you do know 2089 02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:27.680 the truth behind this. Can we clear up just for 2090 02:08:27.880 --> 02:08:33.840 all the haters. When I was hyping the original show 2091 02:08:33.880 --> 02:08:36.039 that you were going to have me on, is it 2092 02:08:36.159 --> 02:08:39.000 true that I really didn't have anything? We were going 2093 02:08:39.079 --> 02:08:42.600 to make it up? And basically my my Twitter posts 2094 02:08:42.640 --> 02:08:45.760 were really just trying to hype the show. I didn't 2095 02:08:45.800 --> 02:08:47.359 I wasn't dropping any names. I had no. 2096 02:08:48.880 --> 02:08:49.039 Yes. 2097 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:52.600 I said that it was you had a gag that 2098 02:08:52.720 --> 02:08:54.159 you were going to do, and I was actually a 2099 02:08:54.199 --> 02:08:54.880 part of the gag. 2100 02:08:55.560 --> 02:08:57.800 I had so many people they were they thought they 2101 02:08:57.840 --> 02:08:59.760 were like, oh, no, you were gonna I'm like, now 2102 02:09:00.039 --> 02:09:02.359 I had nothing yeah, yeah. 2103 02:09:02.359 --> 02:09:06.359 No, man, that was no. Yes, So please everybody, just yeah, 2104 02:09:07.159 --> 02:09:11.720 uh calling all beings. I sent information to you. I 2105 02:09:11.880 --> 02:09:13.960 found you if you would give it to Grace. Yes, 2106 02:09:14.039 --> 02:09:17.039 And I believe that's about Chloe the dog. So I 2107 02:09:17.119 --> 02:09:19.880 will do that hopefully. Nurse Kim has a great photo 2108 02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:22.119 where she's at the beach and Chloe's on the beach 2109 02:09:22.199 --> 02:09:25.319 towel next to her, and Chloe has sunglasses on. Yeah, 2110 02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:28.199 I know, because I do feel bad for Chloe. 2111 02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:34.359 John DJ doesn't prepp like he wings it, and that's 2112 02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:37.119 why this work, and that's why all of this makes sense. 2113 02:09:37.199 --> 02:09:38.840 He is not into this whole prepping. 2114 02:09:39.159 --> 02:09:41.560 I used to sit here literally and write things down 2115 02:09:41.600 --> 02:09:43.159 on a piece of paper that I was going to 2116 02:09:43.239 --> 02:09:44.760 bring up because. 2117 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.279 But DJ is like, no, we're just doing this, man, 2118 02:09:48.319 --> 02:09:49.039 We're just doing this. 2119 02:09:49.399 --> 02:09:53.319 That's what it was. Why you won't even have me on? 2120 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:55.840 He goes, oh, we'll come up with something. I'm like, 2121 02:09:56.279 --> 02:09:57.720 what do we go? And he's the one that came 2122 02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:00.640 up with the sexiest man thing, not maybe that that 2123 02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:03.680 was all. I'm like, I got to come up with something, 2124 02:10:03.760 --> 02:10:06.119 and I was just gonna have a gag. But I 2125 02:10:06.279 --> 02:10:08.960 was just I was just throwing it out there and 2126 02:10:09.119 --> 02:10:12.279 then I you know, then other stuff kind of happened 2127 02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:14.840 and it made it. It made it look it was 2128 02:10:15.560 --> 02:10:21.079 look at today, you know what this background is? 2129 02:10:25.359 --> 02:10:32.319 Oh boy, oh we are not talking about that unless John. Yeah, 2130 02:10:35.319 --> 02:10:38.720 I am so blessed. I talked about my blessings last night. 2131 02:10:38.800 --> 02:10:41.359 So look, so some of these blessings are like you know, 2132 02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:46.520 John and Dennis and Tommy and you know be Ah 2133 02:10:47.119 --> 02:10:51.000 and Scott right and all these folks that are willing 2134 02:10:51.119 --> 02:10:53.439 to talk to me and explain to me what the 2135 02:10:53.479 --> 02:10:56.520 hell is going on because I wouldn't know from afar. 2136 02:10:56.680 --> 02:10:59.439 So thank you so much John for your friendship. I 2137 02:10:59.560 --> 02:11:01.000 know I tell you that on the phone, but I 2138 02:11:01.079 --> 02:11:03.239 want to say it in front of everybody, and I 2139 02:11:03.359 --> 02:11:06.199 really really do appreciate you. And we always have all 2140 02:11:06.319 --> 02:11:11.000 kinds of fun man when we even if he's like 2141 02:11:11.159 --> 02:11:12.800 really upset about something. 2142 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:16.359 Like yeah, no I was. I was for those couple 2143 02:11:16.399 --> 02:11:16.760 of days. 2144 02:11:17.439 --> 02:11:19.640 That's the thing I got to bring to the community 2145 02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:21.720 because like you're talking about, like all the research you 2146 02:11:21.760 --> 02:11:23.159 guys do, it's like, what am I doing. I'm not 2147 02:11:23.279 --> 02:11:25.560 doing ship together. 2148 02:11:27.000 --> 02:11:28.000 You're the peacemaker. 2149 02:11:28.439 --> 02:11:35.279 Yeah yeah, like Avengers assemble? Right? Did you? 2150 02:11:35.479 --> 02:11:38.479 Did you see the other one that I can't believe 2151 02:11:38.520 --> 02:11:44.479 I missed this. Somebody had made the made the comment 2152 02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:48.960 and I went back and found it. Jen was on 2153 02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:53.079 the phone with Brian at the same time. They were 2154 02:11:53.119 --> 02:11:56.880 all in the house together when the when uh Yuri 2155 02:11:57.600 --> 02:12:02.920 and Procter were interviewing them individually. Why is she so 2156 02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:08.760 according to them, each person was in the dining room 2157 02:12:08.840 --> 02:12:11.880 while the other two were in the bedroom upstairs when 2158 02:12:11.960 --> 02:12:15.439 each one got interviewed. But if you go to Jen's 2159 02:12:15.479 --> 02:12:19.960 phone records, she was so it it lents you to 2160 02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:22.279 believe when she was getting interviewed. Did she have her 2161 02:12:22.319 --> 02:12:24.560 phone on so Brian could listen to what the interview was, 2162 02:12:25.720 --> 02:12:28.680 because that's when her phone when when they were interviewing 2163 02:12:29.720 --> 02:12:30.560 in the house. 2164 02:12:30.840 --> 02:12:34.000 Point she was using it like a walkie talkie almost exactly. 2165 02:12:34.279 --> 02:12:36.239 Yeah. So if you look at her phone records, and 2166 02:12:36.279 --> 02:12:38.560 then you go back to the testimony and you and 2167 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:41.479 you look at when the state police went to interview 2168 02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:43.960 them at her house, she was on the phone with Brian. 2169 02:12:43.960 --> 02:12:45.600 Why are you on the phone with somebody when they're 2170 02:12:45.600 --> 02:12:46.399 in the same house as you? 2171 02:12:47.319 --> 02:12:49.199 That was your tweet, that's right, Yeah. 2172 02:12:49.199 --> 02:12:50.520 Yeah, man, I did that video. 2173 02:12:50.880 --> 02:12:55.880 It is amazing, man, fueasy though to think about that 2174 02:12:56.159 --> 02:12:59.960 level of malice, like justugh. 2175 02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:03.920 That's what said, she makes me. I so somebody in 2176 02:13:04.039 --> 02:13:07.119 the chat earlier, I don't know if it was Sasha. 2177 02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:10.239 But someone was saying they watched, you know, just rewatch 2178 02:13:10.319 --> 02:13:13.760 and no, I think it was Actually it was from 2179 02:13:14.359 --> 02:13:18.840 our friend from Christine from Manchester in England. She said, 2180 02:13:18.880 --> 02:13:21.760 I just rewatched all the Jen McCabe testimony and I 2181 02:13:21.920 --> 02:13:24.800 can't I physically can't do it because she makes me 2182 02:13:24.920 --> 02:13:28.319 so sick. She makes me like want to puke because 2183 02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:32.880 she's such a liar and there's something so vile about 2184 02:13:33.319 --> 02:13:33.680 show me. 2185 02:13:34.159 --> 02:13:35.000 Can you show me? 2186 02:13:35.560 --> 02:13:38.800 Ye really does know her? 2187 02:13:40.159 --> 02:13:40.199 No? 2188 02:13:40.760 --> 02:13:45.680 No, well so Daniels. Yeah, they're younger, but they were 2189 02:13:45.760 --> 02:13:48.359 like four houses away from my last house. That was 2190 02:13:49.119 --> 02:13:51.920 before I moved out of town. They lived on the 2191 02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:56.680 same street. But I'm the same We all graduated together. 2192 02:13:56.760 --> 02:14:01.600 It was Lank, Chris, myself, Ucky, we're all glass and ninety. 2193 02:14:01.720 --> 02:14:06.439 That was you know it. So but those girls were younger, but. 2194 02:14:06.560 --> 02:14:10.000 You knew them right like you got ks. 2195 02:14:10.039 --> 02:14:12.840 Not a Kit's not as big of a town as 2196 02:14:12.880 --> 02:14:13.800 they tried to make it. 2197 02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:19.600 So, yeah, can you see her like is this kind 2198 02:14:19.600 --> 02:14:23.520 of personality? Does that make sense to you? 2199 02:14:24.640 --> 02:14:24.680 So? 2200 02:14:25.800 --> 02:14:28.960 I didn't interact with them much, you know, it would 2201 02:14:28.960 --> 02:14:34.199 be mostly Chris Lank in the past, Lucky, I lived 2202 02:14:34.279 --> 02:14:36.359 right near the DPW, so i'd see Lucky the most 2203 02:14:37.239 --> 02:14:44.319 or is Yeah. Yeah, but you know, like I said, 2204 02:14:44.399 --> 02:14:47.479 it's Kin's not a big town. It really isn't you know. 2205 02:14:48.920 --> 02:14:52.239 All Right, it's about time to shut it down for tonight. 2206 02:14:52.439 --> 02:14:56.039 We've gone two hours and fourteen minutes, so we've I'm 2207 02:14:56.119 --> 02:14:58.840 sure that by now Grace has to take a biological break. 2208 02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:02.399 Thank you. 2209 02:15:05.680 --> 02:15:09.920 Can I finish my sentence? Can anybody? I want to 2210 02:15:09.960 --> 02:15:11.119 see something fun. 2211 02:15:11.279 --> 02:15:12.159 We don't want to stop. 2212 02:15:12.840 --> 02:15:15.119 I don't want I know totally. I just want to 2213 02:15:15.199 --> 02:15:17.640 let John know we will see you because I don't 2214 02:15:17.680 --> 02:15:20.199 know if you not, but we will see you on 2215 02:15:20.399 --> 02:15:27.399 the twelfth for Breakfast launch something like that. Yeah, so 2216 02:15:27.560 --> 02:15:30.640 we will. Okay, so I'll see you that day along 2217 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:35.079 with some of the other legends and boy, Grace, thank 2218 02:15:35.119 --> 02:15:38.279 you so much, ma'am, I mean what you're doing today. 2219 02:15:38.359 --> 02:15:40.720 Thank you so much for having me. 2220 02:15:41.560 --> 02:15:44.399 Yeah. Everyone loves your work. Everyone loves me. 2221 02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:47.640 It was even brought up and you know it's some 2222 02:15:48.600 --> 02:15:52.760 YouTube shows like it's definitely your it's getting out there. 2223 02:15:53.279 --> 02:15:55.720 I really think you're doing an amazing job, even if. 2224 02:15:55.640 --> 02:15:59.319 It's a little you know, hot wheels cars, what you're doing, 2225 02:15:59.600 --> 02:16:04.079 it's awesome. And we so appreciate you know, your point. 2226 02:16:03.840 --> 02:16:09.079 Of view when you're in bed, because you're so soothing. 2227 02:16:09.479 --> 02:16:10.800 Just fall off. 2228 02:16:12.399 --> 02:16:16.039 That's the goal, that's the goal. You know. We need 2229 02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:20.520 we need legal content that isn't so overstimulating that like, 2230 02:16:20.880 --> 02:16:22.720 because there are so many times like when I listen 2231 02:16:22.760 --> 02:16:25.000 to Emily D. Baker and then she gets out the 2232 02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:27.720 screaming goat and I'm like almost asleep, and then. 2233 02:16:27.720 --> 02:16:28.159 You hear the. 2234 02:16:32.120 --> 02:16:35.440 Well, we need it. You're a blessing. You really are. 2235 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:38.840 All of you are. John is a blessing. Beatrice, all 2236 02:16:38.920 --> 02:16:40.719 of you are. And I want to say to the chat, 2237 02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:44.319 thank you everybody tonight. You guys were just so communicative 2238 02:16:44.399 --> 02:16:48.639 with all of us. You're incredibly generous with your donations 2239 02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.319 and all that stuff, which is totally not necessary. I 2240 02:16:52.559 --> 02:16:56.239 don't know what we have coming up. We're I'm going 2241 02:16:56.319 --> 02:16:58.520 to be busy trying to think about what kind of 2242 02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:01.040 show I want to do. But between the holidays and 2243 02:17:01.159 --> 02:17:03.959 all that and then calling All Beings, will come back 2244 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:08.639 to do another UFO episode with Christopher Sharp, the UK 2245 02:17:08.799 --> 02:17:12.239 journalist around mid to end of January, after I come 2246 02:17:12.319 --> 02:17:16.319 back from visiting Canton Detum and all that neat stuff 2247 02:17:17.079 --> 02:17:19.319 we'll we'll bring the calling all Beings Screwed back to 2248 02:17:19.399 --> 02:17:22.719 talk about all the drone stuff that's going on with 2249 02:17:22.879 --> 02:17:26.479 some really, really good UAP journalists, and we're definitely going 2250 02:17:26.559 --> 02:17:28.719 to have these two back. I got to get a plan. 2251 02:17:28.879 --> 02:17:32.559 I want John solo. I want him on the Legends roundtable, 2252 02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:36.479 and I want him on a duet with Grace where 2253 02:17:36.600 --> 02:17:41.200 we just go as wild with all their analysis. So 2254 02:17:41.799 --> 02:17:43.799 John is more than just a pretty face Grace. I 2255 02:17:43.879 --> 02:17:44.559 mean I can see that. 2256 02:17:44.799 --> 02:17:47.200 Yes, I can tell, I can tell, all right, I'm 2257 02:17:47.239 --> 02:17:48.520 that Thank you. 2258 02:17:51.120 --> 02:17:56.040 Weal of Grace and Beatrice. This DJ saying peace out, 2259 02:17:56.399 --> 02:17:59.879 one love, We'll see you down the road and as always, 2260 02:18:00.200 --> 02:18:02.719 thank you, chat love you. We always wondering what's up 2261 02:18:02.760 --> 02:18:38.079 around the bank. Yeah, it looks like they want to 2262 02:18:38.120 --> 02:18:40.040 see they want to see Grace's