Speaker 1: Can I get it.
Speaker 2: Then for everybody for freak care reading cod on Big Nation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm your host, d J. Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: It is a Sunday afternoon where we had to get
Speaker 3: some space from my homegirl. Nurse Kim was about to
Speaker 3: get on with Turtle Boy Mike Masa the glare.
Speaker 1: They're all gonna be on there with pets and so forth,
Speaker 1: and my pets and I are gonna be on here
Speaker 1: watching Nurse Kim. So we just to go a little
Speaker 1: bit early and bring on this gem of a human being.
Speaker 1: This lady right here has more intelligence in her fingernail
Speaker 1: polish than I got in this whole damn body. So
Speaker 1: so don't worry. We're gonna come and say hi to
Speaker 1: everybody in the chat. But before we get down with that,
Speaker 1: let us say hello to the co collaborator of calling
Speaker 1: all beings, my homegirl bea transh. What's up, hi everyone?
Speaker 1: How you doing? Homegirl?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 5: Just defrosting from today's seventeen degrees out in Denham.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask her she she definitely favored a
Speaker 1: function over form or form overfunction in the case that
Speaker 1: not necessarily the warmest boots, So her toes are probably freezing, so.
Speaker 4: To warmer still. And it's five o'clock.
Speaker 1: The electric socks on, all right, so we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: on our guests. I'm very excited for this young lady here.
Speaker 1: I became aware of her upon my arrival in Boston
Speaker 1: the same day that I met you. It was a Friday,
Speaker 1: and I was leaving Boston. Logan got in my rental
Speaker 1: CA and I was bringing up YouTube and I saw
Speaker 1: the tail light whisper and I start listening and I'm
Speaker 1: headed to meet Peter Murphy and Suzanne over at in
Speaker 1: Franklin at the pub of the Irish pub Teddy O.
Speaker 1: Gallagher's I think it's called. So I bring up this
Speaker 1: and I hear this lady. I don't even know that
Speaker 1: her name is Grace yet, so but I hear this
Speaker 1: incredible intellect and this voice and this analysis of breaking
Speaker 1: down the whole issue with the tail light and all
Speaker 1: the steps that were gone through by that gentleman. And
Speaker 1: she's gonna tell me his name, because I keep forgetting
Speaker 1: his name. But how he called Toyota in Japan, even
Speaker 1: in trying to get details, and deconstructed that tail light,
Speaker 1: and where all the diffusers and so forth, and the
Speaker 1: LEDs were located. I was like, Wow, this is an
Speaker 1: amazing content creator. I'm like, more people need to know
Speaker 1: about this girl. That's what I'm saying. Can you feel me, Beatrice?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, So let's.
Speaker 4: Say paytion sorry reading the chat you caught me?
Speaker 1: Okay, paid ten? All right, So let's go through this.
Speaker 1: So Grace is the creator of dream feed Media, a
Speaker 1: channel committed to making legal content and data analysis relatable
Speaker 1: and accessible. And she don did it in a calm,
Speaker 1: low sensory manner. But I'll tell you what, it's not
Speaker 1: too low for my sensory. Dream feed Media has a
Speaker 1: mix of law nerd data analysis, audio content and legal
Speaker 1: documents read out loud without yelling, oh sorry without yelling,
Speaker 1: flashing lights and unexpected louds, noise from sound ports, and
Speaker 1: true crime that is the perfect for insomniacs. Insomniacs sorry,
Speaker 1: and those who are driving, those who are visually impaired,
Speaker 1: those who are up at three m feeding their new baby,
Speaker 1: those with sensory sensitivities, epilepsy, migraines, and so much more.
Speaker 1: Dream feed Media is one of the rare channels where
Speaker 1: your content puts me to sleep. Is received as a compliment,
Speaker 1: which is really cool because my content puts people to
Speaker 1: sleep for the wrong reason.
Speaker 2: So put your hands together for my homegirl breaks yeah,
Speaker 2: dream than me.
Speaker 6: You're too kind.
Speaker 1: Thank you man. We appreciate you. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of able to say hello to in the chat. This
Speaker 1: is a calling all being staple, So I'm gonna start here.
Speaker 1: We are I'm kind of like it. So first of all,
Speaker 1: Julie is here, and Sherry Farrell is here, and Sarah
Speaker 1: Shock and horror uh and miss Jessica and.
Speaker 6: Busy awesome, all your regulars.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the the official attorney of calling all beings.
Speaker 1: Valhalla La.
Speaker 6: Nice to see you.
Speaker 1: Please let us know if if either Grace or myself
Speaker 1: break any rules of evidence tonight, valhall La. Dema is
Speaker 1: here and this one we have to use the Irish accent.
Speaker 1: Do you want to do that? Grace? You want me
Speaker 1: to do it?
Speaker 6: You? You have the best go for it.
Speaker 1: Hello Kimberly Maguire.
Speaker 6: Using your Lucky Charms voice.
Speaker 4: He switches between that and missus doubtfire.
Speaker 1: That one comes later. I cannot break out the the
Speaker 1: Dame Maggie Smith accent. This early in the show. My
Speaker 1: down to yeah.
Speaker 6: My husband does a good Dame Maggie. He does Dame
Speaker 6: Maggie impersonation. Oh yeah, because his his favorite quote from
Speaker 6: Downton is when she says, what is a weekend?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: Every day is a weekend for the dowager countess? Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What was funny?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 1: Let me see if I'm missing People are saying, hi
Speaker 1: to be a triz. Hey, Debbie Blair is here and
Speaker 1: g T s y what does that mean again?
Speaker 4: Good to see?
Speaker 1: What's okay? Thank you? I don't have time. I'm doing
Speaker 1: the show here. That was my Scottish? Was that all right?
Speaker 6: How good to me?
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. No no rating on that. And
Speaker 1: look who's here? The legend oo.
Speaker 4: Pay handsome twice sweety wow yep.
Speaker 1: Freezing his ass out there today and.
Speaker 6: It was seventeen degrees.
Speaker 4: We were out there for two hours from ten to twenty.
Speaker 6: Gosh, oh, I don't miss that. I do not miss
Speaker 6: the cold from up there. Good miss, No way, she's.
Speaker 1: Talking about you right there. I don't miss the heat
Speaker 1: in Texas, So I'll take the I can always put
Speaker 1: on clothes, you.
Speaker 6: Know what, you can only get so naked. It's true,
Speaker 6: you know, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't dress them for the weather. You're
Speaker 1: going to be cold, and you can just go to
Speaker 1: the local outlet and get all the stuff you need
Speaker 1: to be warm. Yeah, all right, uh, yes, this is correct,
Speaker 1: This is correct. Everybody should be seeing what this girl
Speaker 1: doing and she about to break it off on you tonight.
Speaker 6: Oh oh, everybody's so nice. Thanks.
Speaker 1: You know, the calling all beings family. I mean when
Speaker 1: you got mobs like I got.
Speaker 6: Come on, yeah, I'm not absolutely all.
Speaker 1: Right, So we're going to get up into it. We
Speaker 1: will say hello to you as we can. The band
Speaker 1: via Oh I like it. Yeah, I love Grace, Thank you.
Speaker 1: She's an angel. She should do. You should be doing
Speaker 1: audio books. Have you thought of that, Grace.
Speaker 6: I have thought about it. I've been approached about it before,
Speaker 6: but it's just never been I just haven't had an opportunity.
Speaker 6: Everything's been so crazy with the baby and you know,
Speaker 6: and my daughter getting ready to go off to college,
Speaker 6: that there just hasn't been a good time. So maybe
Speaker 6: it's something all pursue.
Speaker 4: An amazing voice, and you know, just throw a compliment
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 5: What I love about what you do is not only
Speaker 5: is it visual, it's you write things down so it's
Speaker 5: like you.
Speaker 4: It appeals to different learners.
Speaker 5: Right, thank you so much, captivating, Thank you, who knows
Speaker 5: to you?
Speaker 4: That's amazing work.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: I've actually had people saying that they would pay me
Speaker 1: not to to do audio books. So what's up?
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you?
Speaker 6: Cursing nursy. And we have a.
Speaker 1: Special greeting that we give to Deborah because she is
Speaker 1: from Franklin, home of Dean College, and it is the
Speaker 1: Los Angeles gangster greeting, which is what's up homes? All right,
Speaker 1: my best gag man, what's up homes? Anyway? All right?
Speaker 1: I think we've gotten to everybody. Please let me know
Speaker 1: if we miss you, because oh, miss Mary Milocke's here.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Mary Milockey. So I think we got everyone,
Speaker 1: will get started. Christina's here and then you're never you
Speaker 1: never late girlfriend, And well we will because whenever you
Speaker 1: get here, or if you get here on the replayer,
Speaker 1: you don't get here at all, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: all good. We don't. We don't count them up like that.
Speaker 1: So what we aim to do tonight is Grace has
Speaker 1: done a number of different investigations. Tonight she may have
Speaker 1: something visually that she wants to present, which she can
Speaker 1: do on the present icon at the bottom of your screen.
Speaker 1: You can share screen there and just put it on
Speaker 1: a different tab. So if you click that present, you
Speaker 1: can do that and you can just share a tab
Speaker 1: and then and then we'll we'll all go to the
Speaker 1: side and it'll be and then for that if anybody
Speaker 1: having trouble reading that, if you go to full screen
Speaker 1: on your stream yard here, you'll be able to really
Speaker 1: read it. It does block out the chat for that
Speaker 1: period of time, but grace and tell what's going down,
Speaker 1: what's your latest business?
Speaker 6: Well, so I think that things have really amped up.
Speaker 6: When I first started the channel, my plan was just
Speaker 6: to read the documents out loud for the people who
Speaker 6: didn't have the opportunity to be reading them. And then
Speaker 6: I started kind of dipping into analysis, and those were
Speaker 6: the videos that started to get a lot of positive feedback.
Speaker 6: And I was like, all right, we need to give
Speaker 6: the people what they want, and so I kind of
Speaker 6: let my inner researcher loose and just started really examining
Speaker 6: the data that we had very closely, and also conducting
Speaker 6: experiments with the resources that we have, which is mostly
Speaker 6: Toddler toy and you know, diaper boxes and Amazon boxes
Speaker 6: and just trying to like recreate things as best I could.
Speaker 6: And I was able to make the scaled model, and
Speaker 6: that's when I started noticing just like different angles and
Speaker 6: stuff that really made it clear that certain things that
Speaker 6: some of the people in the house that night were
Speaker 6: saying could not have been true, Like it just it
Speaker 6: wasn't aligning with what I was seeing. And so but
Speaker 6: it was one of those things where like, I'm sure
Speaker 6: that somebody who's more mathematically inclined than I am probably
Speaker 6: would have known that, just you know, by theoretically looking
Speaker 6: at it. But I'm more like what you were saying,
Speaker 6: Beatrice about the different types of learners, I'm much more
Speaker 6: of a visual need to kind of have my hands
Speaker 6: on it and manipulate it and see it for myself.
Speaker 6: And so the more that I started interacting with the data,
Speaker 6: the more I was like, good Lord, Like there are things,
Speaker 6: there are things that are severely wrong with this situation,
Speaker 6: and quite frankly, I should not be the one pointing
Speaker 6: this out to the defense, you know, like like where
Speaker 6: is the FBI, where are the experts? Like why in
Speaker 6: the world should you know? And nobody in Texas be
Speaker 6: the one that's pointing these things out, you know, it
Speaker 6: just it baffles me. But then I found an old
Speaker 6: iPhone this week that I forgot that we even owned.
Speaker 6: That's when I really kicked up the experiments. So, I
Speaker 6: mean the iPhone went into the freezer to see what
Speaker 6: the battery drainage would be. And the iPhone has been
Speaker 6: in it's been nestled into four different Faraday bags, like
Speaker 6: one into the next and to the next and to
Speaker 6: the next.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: I mean I have tried so many I've tried putting
Speaker 6: it in a like an air tight container to see
Speaker 6: if the barometric pressure impacted its ability to calculate eight steps.
Speaker 6: I mean, that poor phone has been just knocked around
Speaker 6: like crazy. So it's it's been wild. But I do
Speaker 6: I do have three discoveries that I've kind of alluded
Speaker 6: to on Twitter recently, so like if you've been keeping
Speaker 6: up on Twitter, then you may have seen it. But
Speaker 6: three more things that have been discovered just since I've
Speaker 6: had access to the iPhone. And like you were saying,
Speaker 6: I can do the share, I can figure it out,
Speaker 6: Like it's You've been so kind to me. You speak
Speaker 6: of me as though I you know, I'm extremely knowledgeable
Speaker 6: and techy, and the truth of the matter is, like
Speaker 6: I don't even know how to turn on the Xbox station,
Speaker 6: Like I always have to have my daughter like get
Speaker 6: the remote, and I'm like, but just how do you
Speaker 6: make it put on Netflix? Please? Like I don't know
Speaker 6: how to use this gamer controller to make the TV work,
Speaker 6: Like come on, Well.
Speaker 1: But let me say something about that, grace, because there
Speaker 1: are a lot of detectives pre twenty first century that
Speaker 1: did a lot of incredible work that had no technology whatsoever.
Speaker 1: So that's not necessarily The key is that you have
Speaker 1: to be a tech genius to do a very analytical,
Speaker 1: you know, experiment. You know, obviously Carthurne, you know Arthur
Speaker 1: Conan Doyle how was a scientist himself and had no
Speaker 1: techt you know. But so I think that's what I'm
Speaker 1: speaking to when you do not necessarily that you're a
Speaker 1: but you've decided to analyze certain things about how the
Speaker 1: iPhone collects and transmits data, when it does so, how
Speaker 1: and when the Apple Watch the model that he had
Speaker 1: collects and transmits data to the phone. All these sorts
Speaker 1: of things are integral to understanding what happened and people
Speaker 1: have not done that work. Certainly obviously the police didn't
Speaker 1: do it on purpose, you know, but the maybe the
Speaker 1: defense hasn't done some of that work.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's true. And you know, I feel bad
Speaker 6: saying this because I know that this was an important
Speaker 6: thing that the defense hypothesized. But remember when they kind
Speaker 6: of walked Jen McCabe into the scenario about what do
Speaker 6: you do if you lose your phone? And she I
Speaker 6: really don't think that she was expecting that question at all,
Speaker 6: and all of her she'd been so hostile and so
Speaker 6: aggressive until that moment when it all fell away and
Speaker 6: she seemed so genuinely puzzled that I thought this means
Speaker 6: something like to me, it was almost an indication that
Speaker 6: the defense was on the wrong trail in that moment
Speaker 6: because she wasn't being hostile and protective over it. And
Speaker 6: that's what really got me thinking, like, Okay, even though
Speaker 6: it makes sense in this moment that she'd be trying to,
Speaker 6: you know, call and track down the phone, I don't
Speaker 6: think that's what happened, because her reaction was just so
Speaker 6: unusual compared to everything else that we'd seen from her.
Speaker 6: So then it was like, Okay, well, then what was
Speaker 6: happening to the phone, Like, if it wasn't Jen calling
Speaker 6: and trying to locate it, what was going on? And honestly,
Speaker 6: I think that what was happening was even easier than
Speaker 6: what we've hypothesized. I think that they were just trying
Speaker 6: to reset the timeline and trying to kind of act natural, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 6: what would you have done if he wasn't here? Oh
Speaker 6: I guess I probably would have called him a couple times,
Speaker 6: maybe sent a few texts, Oh good, do that. But then,
Speaker 6: like I think that it just they kind of forgot
Speaker 6: how to act natural, you know, they just it turned
Speaker 6: into too much, too excessively, and it made it look strange.
Speaker 6: But I think that there could have been a secondary
Speaker 6: gain of trying to drain his battery can sit by,
Speaker 6: you know, because by then the phone was already out
Speaker 6: on the lawn. And that was what one of my
Speaker 6: experiments this week was demonstrating, like literally, is there any
Speaker 6: way to fool the accelerometer in the phone beyond? Like
Speaker 6: we know when you put your phone in a shopping
Speaker 6: cart or when it's in the baby stroller and it's rolling,
Speaker 6: and it's so frustrating when you don't get credit for
Speaker 6: all of your steps, and it's like, gosh, darn it,
Speaker 6: I just, you know, walk two miles and now I'm
Speaker 6: not even getting a credit put And so like know that,
Speaker 6: you know, there are ways that we can minimize, but
Speaker 6: are there ways that we can guarantee that there would
Speaker 6: not be a single stray step registered. I tried like
Speaker 6: fifteen different experiments and nothing was fool proof. Absolutely nothing.
Speaker 6: So I feel like we have to conclude that when
Speaker 6: that phone went out the door at twelve thirty one
Speaker 6: and landed where it did, that was it like the
Speaker 6: phone was out there until John's body was reunited with it.
Speaker 6: I don't think anything else could have happened, Like I
Speaker 6: have crossed out every other thing that could have potentially
Speaker 6: impacted it. You know.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing, a couple of things that didn't
Speaker 1: take into account for. One thing is that his if
Speaker 1: they were concerned with the uh, if they were concerned
Speaker 1: with draining the battery, his body was probably keeping the
Speaker 1: battery warm. That's one thing. Yeah, But what drains the
Speaker 1: battery more than the temperature to a certain point is
Speaker 1: the usage. If you have multiple tabs open, and if
Speaker 1: you have multiple things that it's drawing on right and
Speaker 1: things it's doing, Like if you're doing your posting on
Speaker 1: Twitter or Instagram or something like that, and you have
Speaker 1: Facebook open, and that's updating and that's giving you alerts
Speaker 1: and messages. So that's what they didn't count on, is
Speaker 1: the act. The lack of activity. The phone was their enemy.
Speaker 1: But they're so stupid anyway, So that's well.
Speaker 6: And that's the other thing we saw through the messages
Speaker 6: that Karen and John were exchanging earlier in the day.
Speaker 6: John he was very good about responding, but he was
Speaker 6: also very good about setting boundaries and limits. There became
Speaker 6: a point in the evening where he said, you know,
Speaker 6: I've arrived at the bar, I'm turning off my phone.
Speaker 6: I'm not answering calls, like I'm going to focus on
Speaker 6: the people that are in front of me. So when
Speaker 6: there's someone who has that kind of attitude, it really
Speaker 6: shows that he he probably is also not going to
Speaker 6: be engaging very much with the phone for the remainder
Speaker 6: of the night, and therefore his battery probably started out
Speaker 6: like pretty high. I think that the it was probably
Speaker 6: pretty charged, like maybe ninety five percent or thereabouts. So,
Speaker 6: like you were saying, when the body rejoined the phone,
Speaker 6: And honestly, it is the most ironic thing because it's
Speaker 6: like the worst thing that could have happened for the
Speaker 6: true culprits, because it did shield the phone and protect
Speaker 6: it from all that excessive drainage. But the thing of
Speaker 6: it is why has in either the FBI or whomever
Speaker 6: is in charge of analyzing these phones. You can look
Speaker 6: and see how the drainage on the battery is like excessive, excessive, excessive,
Speaker 6: you know, from twelve thirty to say three thirty am
Speaker 6: or whenever it was. And then once his body rejoins it,
Speaker 6: it's gonna, you know, like drain less it. The excessive
Speaker 6: draining is going to be reduced and we're going to
Speaker 6: see that battery activity change. And to me, I'm like, well, jeez,
Speaker 6: they can figure out, they have the info to figure
Speaker 6: out exactly when the body arrived on the lawn, Like
Speaker 6: why haven't they or maybe they have and they haven't,
Speaker 6: They just haven't told us, you know.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, because we can't. I'm sorry, bea go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 4: You no, I just said, that's a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 4: well said god, I love it.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: We can't, Yeah, we can't assume that they don't have it,
Speaker 1: because there's a what is it, one thousand and seventy
Speaker 1: four pages that we have no idea what's in there?
Speaker 1: Other than what three thousand and seventy four off by
Speaker 1: only two thousand, I mean, come on, give or take
Speaker 1: two thousand, you know. So yeah, there's three thousand pages
Speaker 1: of information that we have no idea what's in there.
Speaker 1: And also, do you remember that Meatball Meetball Norc. This
Speaker 1: has got to stop.
Speaker 6: Stop.
Speaker 1: I'm doing the Will Blair's impression of him, which I love,
Speaker 1: is that if you remember, he was emailing them to say, hey,
Speaker 1: what else have you guys got? Trying to troll as
Speaker 1: if they were going to give him something that would
Speaker 1: implicate him like fat boy. Come on, man, you think
Speaker 1: these guys are stupid?
Speaker 6: Seriously? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yes? And uh so they likely have more information, well
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say likely, They most certainly have a lot
Speaker 1: more information on that phone. The fact that the hash
Speaker 1: values they know that, they know that Jennifer McCabe deleted
Speaker 1: that search and all those sorts of things.
Speaker 6: So yeah, well you know, and that's another another thing.
Speaker 6: And I'm not an iPhone user, so playing around with
Speaker 6: this phone. This week has been quite the adventure for
Speaker 6: me because, like I said, I'm not technologically inclined, and
Speaker 6: so I didn't know, like is it easy to delete
Speaker 6: a call? Is it hard? Like how you know for
Speaker 6: somebody who's literally a brand new to this interface, what's
Speaker 6: it going to take? Within like five seconds, I'd figured
Speaker 6: out how to delete calls. I mean, it was so
Speaker 6: ridiculously easy. The thing of it is, although it's true
Speaker 6: that it only displays the one hundred most recent calls
Speaker 6: if you delete, like I just deleted five calls just
Speaker 6: and it filled in with the five previous like it
Speaker 6: backfilled with the older calls, and so I was like, well,
Speaker 6: those aren't deleted, they're just not visible. So the idea
Speaker 6: that those calls had been marked as deleted from jen
Speaker 6: to me. Either it's a like a semantics like I
Speaker 6: can't quite tell there's something going on there, but I
Speaker 6: feel like we've been lied to about that because or
Speaker 6: like like partially lied like, yes, the phone can only
Speaker 6: hold one hundred number in the most recent calls, like
Speaker 6: that part is true, but they didn't continue the sentence
Speaker 6: on to say, however, you can still access everything else
Speaker 6: and it's also not marked as deleted, like they're just
Speaker 6: they're just being sneaky, I guess is the best way
Speaker 6: to put it.
Speaker 1: They are and it makes you it makes you sick
Speaker 1: that they're trying to play defense. The whole thing is
Speaker 1: so sick because they are playing defense attorney for the perpetrators.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes no sense, and it's it is just
Speaker 6: it's so unfortunate that the taxpayers of Massachusetts are now
Speaker 6: being forced to contribute to this witch hunt, like financially
Speaker 6: and then also having to you know, pony up money
Speaker 6: on the opposite side, if they choose to donate to
Speaker 6: the defense fund, they're like having to contribute against their
Speaker 6: will to the persecut and that doesn't sit well. You know,
Speaker 6: that's not fair that they should have that on their shoulders.
Speaker 6: That's not justice.
Speaker 5: And the fact that the Celebrate report confirms all this
Speaker 5: information and Celebrate is what's used you right, and now
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, in this particular case, it's not reliable,
Speaker 5: Like what's up with that?
Speaker 6: Like that shouldn't be a thing. Well, and it's like,
Speaker 6: why in the world would you want to destroy the
Speaker 6: reputation of Celebrate when you need it for the Lindsey
Speaker 6: Clancy case when you need it for the Brian Walsh case, Like,
Speaker 6: what are you?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 6: If I were any of Adam Lawley's colleagues, I'd be like,
Speaker 6: what are you doing? Like you're messing up all of
Speaker 6: our cases with this.
Speaker 5: And just to make one more point, why do we
Speaker 5: see that all of Karen's calls were not deleted and
Speaker 5: all of were like how Like doesn't that just kind
Speaker 5: of give you Yeah, Like, it's just sad changed.
Speaker 4: That the person who should, theoretically, if it was true,
Speaker 4: should have been the one you're reading, never deleted any.
Speaker 6: Of them exactly. And if Karen had made a search
Speaker 6: at twenty seven how long to Die in Cold, then
Speaker 6: Celebrate would be on Armageddon exactly. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: So I want to answer this. I want to answer
Speaker 1: this one for Valhalla.
Speaker 6: Law So.
Speaker 1: Olivia Lambo at Olivia Lambo on Twitter is the authority
Speaker 1: for this, and she explained hash values on Sean McDonough's
Speaker 1: Live that she did with him, which was outstanding. I
Speaker 1: would love to get her on this show just because
Speaker 1: the work she's done is quite unique in our space,
Speaker 1: because like Grace, she has the ability to break down
Speaker 1: this complex information to an understandable way. So my understanding
Speaker 1: is they do not have a genuine extraction that has
Speaker 1: hash values for John's phone and for Jennifer McCabe's phone,
Speaker 1: is my understanding. So what they got with the Celebrate
Speaker 1: report shows that it's been deleted, but they got that
Speaker 1: one guy Ian Witten or Wiffin from Canada to say,
Speaker 1: who used to work for them and now has his
Speaker 1: own company or whatever, to say that, oh, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not clear that she deleted those. So as far as
Speaker 1: the battery rate, I don't know. That would be a
Speaker 1: question that we can and I will get back to
Speaker 1: you on that Valhalla law. I will ask Olivia that specifically.
Speaker 1: So if you message me on whatever medium on our
Speaker 1: I'll put our email in the chat. But it's calling
Speaker 1: all beings the numeral one at Gmail, calling all beings
Speaker 1: the numeral one at Gmail, and I'll try to get
Speaker 1: that answer, because I think now we want to now
Speaker 1: that Grace has brought it up, we kind of want
Speaker 1: to know about that. Let's get this other question that
Speaker 1: John had for you. Somebody reads it out loud.
Speaker 6: Is there anyway Okay, let's see, is there any way
Speaker 6: that they could get into John's personal phone and Ring
Speaker 6: Camera from his work computer. That's a very good question,
Speaker 6: and that would be something that I feel like an
Speaker 6: iPhone person, an iPhone user, would have more knowledge about.
Speaker 6: I am a Ring Camera user. I have never and
Speaker 6: I've had Ring Camera since twoenty seventeen, and I've never
Speaker 6: never used a computer to log into it, and I've
Speaker 6: I wouldn't even know how, I've only had it on
Speaker 6: my phone and I don't even know how to delete
Speaker 6: videos that it's recorded from it. I feel like the
Speaker 6: average user. I think it's completely like fantasyland to for
Speaker 6: them to accuse Karen of never having interacted with Ring
Speaker 6: and then to race up to John's office and to
Speaker 6: log into his computer and sign on to Ring and
Speaker 6: to delete the like how Like I've been a user
Speaker 6: of this program forever and I can't figure it out,
Speaker 6: and I've never logged in from a computer. How do
Speaker 6: we expect her to do that in two minutes? Like
Speaker 6: It's it's not realistic. But could somebody with experience and
Speaker 6: access to his work computer. Perhaps I don't know.
Speaker 5: And that's even saying that they he downloaded in his
Speaker 5: work I mean, I know, like a lot of workplaces
Speaker 5: don't allow you to just download.
Speaker 6: That's a good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they have firewall, and right there's a block on
Speaker 5: external websites only like employee approved, you know, company approved websites.
Speaker 4: So I mean that's also and I think so I do.
Speaker 4: I have deleted videos from ring.
Speaker 5: It is not that hard to do, however, because every
Speaker 5: time you go into view like a live you can
Speaker 5: see that it creates that you know, live view.
Speaker 4: It is fairly easy to delete. But again it's if
Speaker 4: you have if you use the app.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've only done the app, But I agree
Speaker 5: with you. I mean, it's definitely I mean that that's
Speaker 5: a valid question. We just don't know that he had
Speaker 5: that downloaded his work computer, if it was even allowed.
Speaker 4: But I think for most people that use your phone,
Speaker 4: your iPhone is what you use.
Speaker 1: But yes, Sue Sponte, that mirror feature that you're talking about, uh,
Speaker 1: the Suisponte, the the the that right there, that feature
Speaker 1: obviously wasn't available two years ago. That's the newest. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's iOS fifteen or sixteen that that's available.
Speaker 1: So but that's a good point. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: I just they would have had to get access. I
Speaker 1: don't need because if you go on this line of thinking,
Speaker 1: then the FBI could have gotten Tom Kellerhurst, but they
Speaker 1: would have needed they would have needed a court order
Speaker 1: from a judge, and they would have had had probable
Speaker 1: cause to try to get And if they did get that,
Speaker 1: I mean, that would prove that John Wynn in the
Speaker 1: house as a minimum, that would have proved that Karen
Speaker 1: wasn't getting So I think I think they would have
Speaker 1: already prevented this from happening if they had that level
Speaker 1: of proof. Would you would anybody dis on the panel?
Speaker 6: It is so hard to know, is is the FBI
Speaker 6: giving them enough rope to hang themselves? Like I just
Speaker 6: keep wondering, is that why they're letting this go on
Speaker 6: as long as it is to just to see just
Speaker 6: how far and how deep the corruption is? Are they
Speaker 6: just kind of letting them run with it and kind
Speaker 6: of dig their own graves or what like? I just
Speaker 6: I don't know, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 1: You go first?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean the thing is we know that the
Speaker 5: FBI has a great success rate in you know, the
Speaker 5: work they do, so but I mean, what's great about
Speaker 5: like what you do?
Speaker 4: And you know it's really showing.
Speaker 5: You know, simplifying things, and I think they just there's
Speaker 5: so many different things off of this main story that
Speaker 5: it's like we need things to be simplified, and it's
Speaker 5: like it's just amazing. I can't say it enough, Like
Speaker 5: what you're the work you're doing, please keep doing it
Speaker 5: and don't sell yourself short and say I'm not technical,
Speaker 5: because it's just not maybe not computer technical, but what
Speaker 5: you're doing is a technical thing and you're showing a
Speaker 5: simplified version of and things that maybe I mean, the
Speaker 5: defense didn't think about, or maybe they did, and there's
Speaker 5: reasons why they didn't bring it up. But for us
Speaker 5: people that have analyzed this trial and all the you
Speaker 5: know all the facts, and it's just it's amazing to
Speaker 5: see it visually. So sorry if I ran off on
Speaker 5: a ransom.
Speaker 6: No, I'm so great. Well, I appreciate your feedback so much.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 1: I want to thank train four four four, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the supersticker. And I must stay and
Speaker 1: we are going to get to your question. So if
Speaker 1: you if you have a question, put a stat we'll
Speaker 1: put a stack there and we'll get back to it.
Speaker 1: And I think the question that you wanted to get
Speaker 1: my opinion on how to do with the FB. Was
Speaker 1: that what it was? I think you were asking me?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So essentially, what what I am thinking that their
Speaker 1: modus operandi is from other cases is that they will
Speaker 1: obviously they have put their foot in the door here,
Speaker 1: and then they kind of remove their foot and remove
Speaker 1: their foot, meaning they let the trial go on, the
Speaker 1: jury came to a conclusion, and now there's going to
Speaker 1: be a reprosecution because of the hung jury. So what
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm thinking that they're doing here is that
Speaker 1: they are going to allow these people like uh, supposedly.
Speaker 1: Chris Albert responded to me and others on Twitter the
Speaker 1: other day. Real people that believe is Chris Albert and
Speaker 1: he said, I'm I'm you know, I'm sitting here. I'm
Speaker 1: going outside, kick the ball around with my kids. You know,
Speaker 1: we're going my pool. I'm waiting for I keep hearing
Speaker 1: the Feds are coming. Uh, when's that going to be?
Speaker 1: Like twenty I'm going to go enjoy myself. And then
Speaker 1: he took a shot at at me and the show
Speaker 1: or something. Oh, I posted one of my Air Force
Speaker 1: buddies came to town and he said something you know,
Speaker 1: and I posted a photo of us right after the show.
Speaker 1: I beat feet last Sunday to go meet him for dinner,
Speaker 1: and he goes, who gives a f which you have
Speaker 1: to say or something like that. So, if I were them,
Speaker 1: and I operate the way that they do, allow these
Speaker 1: people the grace to feel like they can just keep
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. Let Jen McCabe keep texting police officers,
Speaker 1: keep intertwining Da Morrissey and Detective Tully and whomever up.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's other judges that they have, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: they are up on his phone. I don't know. But
Speaker 1: let's see how far that this can go and how
Speaker 1: many people we can rope in under the guise of
Speaker 1: denying her her civil rights and public corruption, of which
Speaker 1: they just arrested a person who's on the what was
Speaker 1: she on, the Massachusetts State Assembly something or Boston City
Speaker 1: I think Boston City Council, City council, Yeah, Boston City Council.
Speaker 1: So I would think that they would allow this to
Speaker 1: continue and just see how far it goes and how
Speaker 1: many people will just say, oh, we're not in danger,
Speaker 1: let's just keep doing it. You see Brian Albert, you
Speaker 1: don't hear a word from him. He doesn't come on Twitter,
Speaker 1: he doesn't do anything. He doesn't text anybody, call anybody.
Speaker 1: He reportedly, according to my sources in Canton, he uses
Speaker 1: the SAT phone, and SAT phones are super duper expensive
Speaker 1: because he's afraid if he goes and he gets a
Speaker 1: burner that they're going to get up on that burner.
Speaker 1: So if he uses a SAT phone, you know, but
Speaker 1: every message in every call is quite expensive. So I
Speaker 1: think that's probably what they're doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: Because they're in the case, right they show up, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they're in the case. They haven't arrested anybody yet
Speaker 1: because they're not arresting somebody for murder. I mean, they
Speaker 1: don't have evidence that somebody murdered somebody that we know of,
Speaker 1: but they they may have evidence that somebody was. There's
Speaker 1: public corruption in terms of these absolute morons at the
Speaker 1: DA's office and in the State Police Department department over
Speaker 1: there and with the uh you know that they're denying
Speaker 1: this woman her civil rights because they gave them three
Speaker 1: thousand pages of information and pardon it, they gave the
Speaker 1: double bird and said we're prosecuting her anyway, which is
Speaker 1: just ridiculous.
Speaker 6: It just you know, and you think to yourself, like,
Speaker 6: how can this happen in our country? And you know,
Speaker 6: I think I feel like and I just recently made
Speaker 6: a post on Fitter about this. We you know, we
Speaker 6: start to tell ourselves, Okay, well she won't. I mean,
Speaker 6: there's no way she can get convicted. There's no way.
Speaker 6: And yet Sandy Melgar here in Texas was in a
Speaker 6: very similar situation and was convicted without any physical evidence
Speaker 6: and a boatload of exculptory evidence, and they still convicted her,
Speaker 6: and to this day she remains in prison. Not even
Speaker 6: Kathleen Zelmner could get her sorted out. And so, and
Speaker 6: this is a woman who'd had a double hip replacement
Speaker 6: and rheumatoid arthritis. She was confined to a wheelchair most
Speaker 6: of the time and sometimes a can. And they're trying
Speaker 6: to say that she murdered her husband, like by stabbing
Speaker 6: him to death, and yet she had no defensive wounds
Speaker 6: on herself and no blood on her and had somehow
Speaker 6: locked herself in the closet and tied herself up Like
Speaker 6: that makes no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1: You know, you brought up like three cases on the
Speaker 1: phone with me that people could that I could not believe.
Speaker 1: And Grace had pointed out like three cases like and
Speaker 1: said these people were convicted. I was like, what when
Speaker 1: she told me the story, what I want to say
Speaker 1: about this case that Look, who's just come into the studio.
Speaker 1: It's harah haarrah. You my daughter, do not belong in here.
Speaker 1: You're eating all the other cat's food and now you
Speaker 1: look like three chubby black panthers instead of trench coat. Okay,
Speaker 1: so this is the thing first of all, before we
Speaker 1: before I talk about about what I think and why,
Speaker 1: let's reckon Beatrice. Can you please give a shout out right.
Speaker 5: Here if anyone who ambulance driver, supersticker.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for the twenty dollars,
Speaker 1: Like Mike Procda, I really appreciate you. That's extremely, extremely
Speaker 1: kind and generous. And you guys are like every they
Speaker 1: are man, they're like, let me take the tick off
Speaker 1: just because it's bothering me. It's going right across of
Speaker 1: Grace's ear butt staff. All right. So, So what I
Speaker 1: think is gonna happen if this trial actually comes off
Speaker 1: the next time, is I think it will be another
Speaker 1: hung jury. People that think she's gonna be acquitted. I
Speaker 1: do not see that in no way no, how Now
Speaker 1: what am I basing that on? First of all, I'm
Speaker 1: basing it on America because we can't agree on anything.
Speaker 1: I look up, I say the sky's blue, and someone says,
Speaker 1: I don't know, it looks teel to me. So if
Speaker 1: we can't agree on anything there, So that's one reason.
Speaker 1: So just the nature of America, no matter how great
Speaker 1: a case they put on the New York Laya and
Speaker 1: the guy from California who's really from Texas, Alan Jackson,
Speaker 1: they're gonna there are people that are just gonna not
Speaker 1: like them the way that Bev does, these towny type morons,
Speaker 1: because it really doesn't matter. They could be from Pluto,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If they they have the evidence and
Speaker 1: all the behaviors, a prosecution would absolutely destroy every single
Speaker 1: Mcalbert in this place in this case, and you know,
Speaker 1: obviously Jen McCabe and others because of all the guilty
Speaker 1: the police would just rip them apart with all the
Speaker 1: guilty behaviors. Why did you do this? That sounds that
Speaker 1: sounds like totally guilty behaviors to us. But because they're
Speaker 1: friendly with them, and because Bev rented a house to
Speaker 1: the Nagles on the Cape, they just let it all go.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing. The other thing is is that
Speaker 1: clearly the Alberts are going to go into court, They're
Speaker 1: gonna id these people, and all that has to happen
Speaker 1: is literally Brian pull up in his little Toyota Tacoma
Speaker 1: outside stopping shop where Kelleher and some of the jurors
Speaker 1: clearly shop, and then just sit there and look at
Speaker 1: them as they come out with their shopping cart. That's it.
Speaker 6: Just has a real witness intimidation.
Speaker 1: That is, without doing anything, just sit there and eyeball
Speaker 1: one of these jurors and they're going to get the
Speaker 1: verdict they want because he's going to say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know who you are. And and not to mention,
Speaker 1: John Fanning was at the court, detective fans. You think
Speaker 1: he doesn't know those names? You think Brian Albert doesn't
Speaker 1: know those names?
Speaker 6: Have you seen the video? I've done two videos about Fanning?
Speaker 6: But did you see the second one that I did
Speaker 6: about Fanning?
Speaker 1: Wait? Yes, go ahead, no please?
Speaker 6: Well, so I have two videos about Fanning and the
Speaker 6: second one it's it is disturbing, like it is really
Speaker 6: like and I've even put a content warning on it,
Speaker 6: like only you watch this video if you really, if
Speaker 6: you don't have too tender of a heart, because some
Speaker 6: of the stuff that he has allegedly done is so
Speaker 6: terrible that it will haunt you. It will haunt the
Speaker 6: back corners of your mind forever. It is. It's the
Speaker 6: kind of stuff you can't forget. And the fact that
Speaker 6: he still is in power right now and has the
Speaker 6: power to do the things that he's doing is very problematic.
Speaker 1: We've gotten a litany of these, and we want to
Speaker 1: say tonight for equity, we've gotten way too many. Beatrice
Speaker 1: is beautiful, up and not enough. DJ's beautiful. So we've
Speaker 1: got to bounce this out of her. Beatrice and I've
Speaker 1: been planning for like two weeks. I'm like, we need more.
Speaker 1: DJ's beautiful. I'm kidding, I'm totally kidding. All right, let's
Speaker 1: get to some because there's so much good stuff here.
Speaker 1: Let me see Sidallas.
Speaker 4: Hey, you're referring to some of the stuff in Florida
Speaker 4: that has come out.
Speaker 1: Is that what you're to when he was on vacation? Right?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, sorry, yes, yes, yes, okay, sorry, sorry, I just
Speaker 5: want to make I just want to make sure.
Speaker 6: Yes, well, and yeah, there was the Florida stuff. But
Speaker 6: then the major thing that I'm thinking of of what
Speaker 6: he did to the Florida friend. I think that happened
Speaker 6: back in Massachusetts. And whenever I picture that situation, I
Speaker 6: think of my dad in the role of the Florida friend,
Speaker 6: and I picture someone doing that to my dad, and
Speaker 6: it just makes me want to cry and never stop.
Speaker 6: Like just the abuse of power is unbelievable, disgraceful, and
Speaker 6: it makes you worry for his own children. You know.
Speaker 1: Just listening to Jen McKay gives me the emotion you
Speaker 1: just described, like, I literally can't listen to her. I
Speaker 1: can't because there's something about the lying that she does.
Speaker 1: I can't make it through her testimony. It's it's that bad.
Speaker 1: But anyway, would you read this one grace?
Speaker 6: Grace, you have alluded to a medium. Is there anything
Speaker 6: you can share about that? Do they confirm or disprove
Speaker 6: your theories? DJ? Are you comfortable with me speaking briefly
Speaker 6: about briefly vaguely about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we can qualify you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you you point out some things that you
Speaker 1: believe that she could not have known, like the headstone.
Speaker 6: And there so so the medium that I booked a
Speaker 6: session with. Her name is Rochelle and she is she
Speaker 6: has a channel called the Psychic Sleuth, and I've been,
Speaker 6: you know, kind of keeping track of her for a
Speaker 6: few years and she has done some really powerful things,
Speaker 6: like some some things where it's just like wow, like
Speaker 6: how did she know that that was exactly where that
Speaker 6: body would be located, or exactly that this person would
Speaker 6: be found safely, or I mean just all kinds of
Speaker 6: different things. In fact, during the session that she and
Speaker 6: I had, she was telling me about Hannah Kobayashi. This
Speaker 6: was during the time when Hanna Kobyashi was still missing
Speaker 6: and everyone was really worried about her. And in that session,
Speaker 6: she said, you know, I keep seeing Hanna Kobayashi on
Speaker 6: a beach. Someone is putting a blanket around her, and
Speaker 6: I feel like that's a symbol that she's safe. But
Speaker 6: I'm really hesitant to speak out about that because I
Speaker 6: don't want to give people false hope that she's safe
Speaker 6: if it turns out that she's not. And like two
Speaker 6: or three weeks later, wouldn't you know, Anna Kobyashi resurfaces
Speaker 6: and she's safe, and I'm like, ohly brashall how do
Speaker 6: you do this and the other thing? Like another example
Speaker 6: during the session, it was the night before Thanksgiving when
Speaker 6: I spoke to her. She kept saying, someone is going
Speaker 6: to be pulled out of the Charles River. There's gonna
Speaker 6: be there's it's going to be made to look like
Speaker 6: a drowning. It's going to be made to look like
Speaker 6: a suicide. Keep your eyes peeled on the news. Someone
Speaker 6: is going to be pulled out of a river. And
Speaker 6: she said it a couple times throughout and then she
Speaker 6: like it was one of the final things that she
Speaker 6: said at the very end of the conversation, and I,
Speaker 6: you know, I tried to google a little bit, but
Speaker 6: then I kind of forgot about it until the other night.
Speaker 6: Somebody sent a super chat into a turtle Boy. Were
Speaker 6: you guys watching when this happened. Yeah, he starts reading
Speaker 6: this super chat that talks about how you know, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, it looks like a body was pulled out
Speaker 6: of the Charles River today and it you know, looks
Speaker 6: like it might be a self offing, but it might
Speaker 6: have something to do with the police. And it was
Speaker 6: like it was like verbatim what Rochelle had said, and
Speaker 6: I was like, goodness, so yeah, the thing of it is,
Speaker 6: I I went into the session, when I booked the
Speaker 6: session with her, I think that I was being a
Speaker 6: little bit like selfishly curious, like I just I just
Speaker 6: really wanted to know, you know, I already I wasn't
Speaker 6: testing her abilities. I already had trust in her. I wasn't,
Speaker 6: you know, withholding any information to see, like, you know,
Speaker 6: is as real as it not. I I'd watched enough
Speaker 6: of her to believe that she has some sort of gift,
Speaker 6: and so I was, you know, trying to close gaps
Speaker 6: when possible. And there was one particular point there were
Speaker 6: a few things that I didn't even realize until after
Speaker 6: the fact that even were connections, like the headstone, because
Speaker 6: she kept saying throughout throughout the entire session, I feel
Speaker 6: like I'm in a movie. This feels like a movie.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm in a movie. And then lo
Speaker 6: and behold on John's headstone. It says it's it's only
Speaker 6: a movie or it's just something like that, where I
Speaker 6: was like what, And I mean, I feel like I've
Speaker 6: been immersed in this case and I didn't know that detail.
Speaker 6: So it's like, how would she you know, like, how
Speaker 6: would she have known, so yeah, so there was yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: and then like there there were a few other things,
Speaker 6: but the one thing that that really challenged me was
Speaker 6: I had an idea about how things had gone down
Speaker 6: I and I I was very proud of my idea,
Speaker 6: like I had it worked out. Like I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: I think what they did was, you know, they went
Speaker 6: up the bulkhead steps. They probably put him on a
Speaker 6: tarp because you know, that would prevent the phone from
Speaker 6: registering steps because you know, the shopping cart at Target
Speaker 6: doesn't register steps if you're sliding, And it would make
Speaker 6: sense because they'd cover up, like the weight of the
Speaker 6: body would erase the steps in the snow. And you know,
Speaker 6: so I had this really elaborate plan. And I asked her.
Speaker 6: I was like, are you seeing a tarp? And she's
Speaker 6: like no, I'm like are you sure? Are you sure
Speaker 6: you're not seeing any But are you sure you're not
Speaker 6: seeing anyone come up out of the bulkhead stairs And
Speaker 6: she's like nope. I'm like really, are you sure? Are
Speaker 6: you sure? Are you sure? And she had she was
Speaker 6: adamant that it happened differently, and I was like, well, geez,
Speaker 6: you know, like back to the drawing board, because I mean,
Speaker 6: she was just so solid about that not being how
Speaker 6: it happened, and a few other details, and I was like, well,
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, I've I've got to I've got
Speaker 6: to rethink this, and so it forced me to think
Speaker 6: of new ways that the pieces could fit together. But
Speaker 6: a lot of what she said was so personal about
Speaker 6: Karen and John that even though I have the recording,
Speaker 6: I don't I don't feel comfortable just putting it out
Speaker 6: there because it just I wanted Karen to have it,
Speaker 6: and DJ, I'm so grateful to you for helping to
Speaker 6: get the video to Karen, because I really I wanted
Speaker 6: her to know that John knows that she didn't have
Speaker 6: anything to do with it, that John is proud of
Speaker 6: her strength, that John wishes that he had honored her,
Speaker 6: had had seen and honored her strength more in this
Speaker 6: lifetime when he had the opportunity to, and and that
Speaker 6: sense of feeling like he underestimated her, like that all
Speaker 6: of that is so powerful that I just I felt
Speaker 6: like that I don't I don't want to enrich myself
Speaker 6: from turning this, this beautiful moment into content, like this
Speaker 6: is a this is something that needs to go to
Speaker 6: the person that will cherish it the most, you know,
Speaker 6: So I literally have chills after you just said.
Speaker 8: Like I keep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get this done right here.
Speaker 4: This because you could, you know, put it out the world.
Speaker 4: But well your too, him not out of this plot.
Speaker 6: Well and honestly, for the Justice for Enrique movement, I
Speaker 6: almost feel like someone should set up a private consultation
Speaker 6: with Rachelle for that because I think, I mean, given
Speaker 6: her track record, she comes up with great details and
Speaker 6: I think that that would really force the hand of
Speaker 6: the state to kind of expedite what they're willing to
Speaker 6: reveal to the public if the public starts asking very
Speaker 6: pointed questions. Rochelle has gotten names before she got the name.
Speaker 6: She got Richard Allen's name a full six months before
Speaker 6: he was arrested. She's gotten other names. She got Quentin
Speaker 6: Simon's full name before he was born, and the fact
Speaker 6: that his demid would end up in a landfill. She
Speaker 6: she's really good, so she may be able to get
Speaker 6: a name or who harmed Enrique. And wouldn't that scare
Speaker 6: the pants off the MSP if the public came to
Speaker 6: them and said, tell us more about this person, you know, like,
Speaker 6: what what do we need to know about this situation
Speaker 6: that that.
Speaker 1: Would be really that would be really really awesome in
Speaker 1: regard to this. So this could be like Jen mccaybright here,
Speaker 1: that's that's sweeting in do you know this to be
Speaker 1: true or not true?
Speaker 6: This is it's one of those things where Okay, So
Speaker 6: the most recent video that I did talked a lot
Speaker 6: about GPS and the flaws with GPS, And one thing
Speaker 6: to keep in mind is back when everyone was using
Speaker 6: satellite TV, you never saw a dish direct TV mounted
Speaker 6: in someone's basement. You know, the directions are pretty clear
Speaker 6: that it needs to be in the southern facing sky,
Speaker 6: it needs to be unobstructed in a place where there's
Speaker 6: not snow and ice. There are so many things that
Speaker 6: get in the way of a GPS signal, including the
Speaker 6: weather itself. So what happened on that night is that
Speaker 6: by just sort of happenstance, I feel like, through a
Speaker 6: series of unfortunate events, we have documentation that the GPS
Speaker 6: was lagging behind Karen and John's actual locations because remember
Speaker 6: it had them on like Pine Cone Road and like
Speaker 6: all of this, we were getting weird signals and that
Speaker 6: happens when there's something called multipath multipath multipath interference or
Speaker 6: something to that effect, and or multi signal some or other,
Speaker 6: and the weather itself can create these conditions because the
Speaker 6: snow particles are sort of diluting the strength of the
Speaker 6: signal and slowing it down. So I think that what
Speaker 6: ended up happening is by the time John and Karen
Speaker 6: arrived at Fairview, the GPS signal it hadn't caught up
Speaker 6: with them. But by the time it did catch up,
Speaker 6: John was already inside the house and he was already
Speaker 6: on his way down to the basement. So the GPS
Speaker 6: satellites can't penetrate into the house and certainly not into
Speaker 6: the layers of concrete that create a basement, so it
Speaker 6: had lost track of him. But the phone resurfaced outdoors
Speaker 6: at twelve, you know, twelve thirty one, twelve thirty two,
Speaker 6: and boom, everything lined back up. So it kind of
Speaker 6: made him invisible for those moments, and we can use
Speaker 6: the data that we have to demonstrate that that's how
Speaker 6: it happened. The statement GPS data shows John o'keef never
Speaker 6: entered the house is sort of accurate, but that's because
Speaker 6: the GPS data was broken, you know, so like that's it.
Speaker 6: Signal signal is a true statement, but it's because there
Speaker 6: was a problem.
Speaker 1: There was a malfunction, So the signal is being was
Speaker 1: the signals being corrupted by both the atmospherics uh at
Speaker 1: play and the fact that he had entered the home
Speaker 1: and those two things conspired. What she's not talking about
Speaker 1: is the accelerometer that had him ascending and descending stairs, which,
Speaker 1: as she said earlier, would not happen if it was
Speaker 1: in a shopping cart. So that's that's your issue. If
Speaker 1: you're on the side of Karen's not guilty, you got
Speaker 1: two issues. One is when the phone resurfaced, Karen was
Speaker 1: already at home, logged in to the Wi Fi at
Speaker 1: his house, so clearly she didn't hit him. Kimmy loves
Speaker 1: and stuff. And the GPS data is not being relied
Speaker 1: on due to the lag that she referred to, which
Speaker 1: is a product of the atmosphere and him going inside
Speaker 1: the house.
Speaker 6: So you have to really yeah, like when we look
Speaker 6: at the data, we have to. It's tough because I mean,
Speaker 6: think about in your own house. Sometimes the time on
Speaker 6: the microwave is different from the time on the clock
Speaker 6: in your room, which is different from the time in
Speaker 6: your car and the garage. It's all a little bit different.
Speaker 6: So we have to find the greatest amount of data
Speaker 6: that is coming from a source that is stable and standardized,
Speaker 6: and that in this case is the iPhone data. Because
Speaker 6: we can look at Jen's iPhone data and look at
Speaker 6: John's iPhone data and say, okay, we're getting overlapping here.
Speaker 6: The start the call is documented here and also here this,
Speaker 6: so okay, we can now extend that to this is
Speaker 6: at least reliable against itself. And then all the other
Speaker 6: data points that we have, like the GPS, other the
Speaker 6: CCTV time stamps from the bar to me, those give
Speaker 6: us They inform us about sequence, but they don't inform
Speaker 6: us about the true time that it happened. It just
Speaker 6: sort of helps us to straighten out like the order
Speaker 6: of Okay, first this happened, then this happened, then this happened,
Speaker 6: then this happened. But we can't, you know, quite bring
Speaker 6: it down to a timestamp minute in a reliable sense
Speaker 6: because it's not standardized against the iPhone data. The iPhone
Speaker 6: data is really the it's the only guarantee that we
Speaker 6: the public have in terms of trying to sort things out.
Speaker 4: And add something to that.
Speaker 5: That little circle that they had in regards to the
Speaker 5: it did cover the house like it was within range
Speaker 5: of the house.
Speaker 4: And you know what I thought was weird too, is
Speaker 4: that how they focus on the ways. Ways is an
Speaker 4: app that we use to get from point A to
Speaker 4: point B.
Speaker 5: Like that was just to kind of trick again, to
Speaker 5: trick the jury into you know, oh, the Ways said this,
Speaker 5: and that's.
Speaker 6: Not exactly and it's almost fully dependent on GPS, which
Speaker 6: was the issue.
Speaker 1: Well, it's using cellular connectivity to access a jeep, So
Speaker 1: there's a third interloper there. It's the cellular signal. If
Speaker 1: you turn off your cell signal, you cannot use ways.
Speaker 1: It is not Global Positioning System transmitter to receiver in
Speaker 1: your car. It is using your going up to the
Speaker 1: cellular wherever your cellular uses and that satellite is linking
Speaker 1: in to GPS to tell you where you are. So
Speaker 1: there's a whole process in there that that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'd like it if Beatrice could read read this one
Speaker 1: from Suisponte, our favorite Latin phrase.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 5: Fanning was on the Farwell case, and Guarino reported to Farwell.
Speaker 5: It was Farwell that accepted that they were no texts found.
Speaker 6: That's my understanding as well.
Speaker 1: No, cannot be the case because Guarino was a state
Speaker 1: trooper and Farwell was not. He was a stotent police officer.
Speaker 1: So we've got we've got a factual, uh, factually incorrect
Speaker 1: right there. Unfortunately, what no, no, no, wait, no, Farwell
Speaker 1: was Guarino did not report to Farwell because Guarino was
Speaker 1: a state trooper.
Speaker 6: Far Oh, okay, I you know what. I felt like
Speaker 6: that was a typo. You're right as it is written
Speaker 6: right now, it is if actually in cript statement. I
Speaker 6: felt like the reported to Farrewell was a typo and
Speaker 6: it was supposed to say reported to Fanning.
Speaker 4: And I and I and.
Speaker 6: I think that if you replace the look out live
Speaker 6: so I think both of the like the first Firewell
Speaker 6: was a Farwell, but I think that the second two
Speaker 6: are supposed to be Fannings. And if you replaced that
Speaker 6: with Fanning Fanning, then then it becomes a true statement.
Speaker 1: And I bet you like question, can Ie, You've got
Speaker 1: to get together the fires and sights man, all right, uh.
Speaker 6: This.
Speaker 1: We have more questions that I've started, but this one
Speaker 1: is for from Christina Rasmussen.
Speaker 6: Okay, for the panel. Do you think that there was
Speaker 6: Jerry tampering or jermis conduct in the KR case? Who
Speaker 6: wants to answer? At first, I think.
Speaker 4: Nothing surprises me.
Speaker 5: I do think is a little suspect that he was
Speaker 5: in charge of the jury and driving them there. And
Speaker 5: he's also the one that reported that there was a
Speaker 5: one of the jurors that got kicked off had been
Speaker 5: seen talking about the case at a restaurant and then
Speaker 5: she gets kicked off.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I just think nothing surprises me.
Speaker 5: But how crazy is that that he had access to
Speaker 5: the very people that we're going to make the decision
Speaker 5: on this case?
Speaker 6: Yeah, now I agree that is extremely suspicious. And to
Speaker 6: add to that, we know already that there's ger misconduct,
Speaker 6: like and I still don't understand why this juror is
Speaker 6: speaking publicly. He spoke to the and whatever helps. Yes,
Speaker 6: he went on the record about this. What he did
Speaker 6: directly defies the rules of jury selection. He moved, He
Speaker 6: did not update his driver's license with his current address.
Speaker 6: He was therefore not a resident of the county. He
Speaker 6: had absolutely no business being on that jury, and he's
Speaker 6: talking about it like he I'm like, what, buddy, why
Speaker 6: are you advertising that you're in violation of the policies.
Speaker 6: I mean when you go when you look at what
Speaker 6: it takes to be qualified for jury duty, that's like
Speaker 6: the top thing. And it even says what if I
Speaker 6: move and haven't changed my license? What do I do?
Speaker 6: And it says you are not eligible deserve on a jury.
Speaker 6: You need to get your stuff straight at like it's
Speaker 6: right on their website. It's right there. So that in
Speaker 6: itself was duror conduct that the juror seems to be
Speaker 6: advertising to anyone with ears. I just don't get that.
Speaker 6: But I mean there's there's more, there's, you know, in
Speaker 6: addition to untine other instances, but yeah, that to me,
Speaker 6: that's the one where I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 6: It almost feels like he if it wasn't already a mistrial,
Speaker 6: it was It was almost as if the plan was
Speaker 6: to you maybe use that as like, oh, whoops, we
Speaker 6: just discovered that one of the jurors was, you know,
Speaker 6: not a resident, Like if if it already hadn't been
Speaker 6: a mistrial, so that they could toss it out if
Speaker 6: it didn't go their way. Like it just felt like
Speaker 6: a kind of a like what's the expression about, like
Speaker 6: an ace in the back pocket or like something like that,
Speaker 6: like kind of a hit. I don't know, it just
Speaker 6: it felt like somebody was kind of holding back an
Speaker 6: opportunity to benefit from that knowledge.
Speaker 1: This is from Ken Ken Hathaway from Nottingham, England. Gracious
Speaker 1: spot thought with everything superb.
Speaker 6: You can thank you.
Speaker 1: He is a true blue calling call beings, a listener,
Speaker 1: part of our family. Thank you and Suisponte, thank you
Speaker 1: so much love. Wait is this going to be another Beatrice's? No,
Speaker 1: it's not this. This is a great question and I
Speaker 1: still have an answer to them, but go ahead bea So.
Speaker 4: I was in contact with his mom this week.
Speaker 5: I sent her a text just to you know, say hello,
Speaker 5: check in with her because we had the standout last
Speaker 5: Saturday out in Woolster and or I should say Woolster.
Speaker 5: So I definitely, you know, I wanted to, you know,
Speaker 5: check in with her, and I just feel like they
Speaker 5: right now, they're not really open to anything.
Speaker 4: And that's the thing.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: Some people have reached out with great suggestions and it's
Speaker 5: not to knock down anybody's you know, good suggestions. But
Speaker 5: I feel like from my conversations with the family, it's
Speaker 5: almost like they want to just follow their attorney's advice
Speaker 5: right now. Whether we think is right or wrong, or
Speaker 5: we have other opinions, they just want to follow what
Speaker 5: their attorneys are saying. And for the mother, I feel
Speaker 5: it because she's the one that hired this attorney and
Speaker 5: they're telling her to keep quiet, and that's what she's doing.
Speaker 4: But like the aunt was very vocal. I did several.
Speaker 5: Interviews with the mainstream media and her aunt was like,
Speaker 5: I have nothing to hide.
Speaker 4: I have you know, I want to talk about my nephew.
Speaker 4: I you know, my family's lost. This was you know,
Speaker 4: he was I mean, quote unquote, this is what she said.
Speaker 4: He was assassinated. Like, yes, he's so sorry, DJ, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I didn't mean to go on.
Speaker 1: The question I was going to ask is do you
Speaker 1: think she'd be open to the psychic.
Speaker 4: Is what I also thought about that as you were saying.
Speaker 6: So, I.
Speaker 5: Feel like religion wise, and again I can't speak, I
Speaker 5: can't really speak.
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly the religion.
Speaker 5: But if I was to make an assumption based on
Speaker 5: what I know based on my conversations, not not necessarily,
Speaker 5: I don't like. It's almost like at this point it's
Speaker 5: you're walking a fine line with this family because they
Speaker 5: know what they're not looking.
Speaker 4: They're not that out there looking for advice. That's the thing.
Speaker 4: A lot of people want to give them advice on
Speaker 4: what they should be doing, what they but they're not
Speaker 4: really out there asking for that.
Speaker 5: They just want people to stand there with them and
Speaker 5: give and show their support and spread the word. Is
Speaker 5: the message that I kind of get from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, you know, I want to say for the lawyer,
Speaker 1: I think their law their lawyer sucks. Empirically. Their lawyer
Speaker 1: absolutely sucks. And the reason why he sucks or she
Speaker 1: is because they allowed the lawyer did not stop them
Speaker 1: from the state police and from performing that ceremony which
Speaker 1: I'm sure they paid for, and burying the body. They
Speaker 1: had to have insisted on an independent forensic pathologist to
Speaker 1: do a forensic examination of his body when the flesh
Speaker 1: was all intact. Every day that passes as his flesh rots,
Speaker 1: the evidence is melting away. So the state police are going,
Speaker 1: this is good for us. So their lawyer sucks. Gave
Speaker 1: them crappy advice because they should have made sure. I
Speaker 1: don't care if you've got to take out alone on
Speaker 1: your house, you get the money, you get an independent
Speaker 1: out of state unconnected to these idiots like that. Did
Speaker 1: Sandra Birchmore that fudge that paperwork for her? And I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what her name is, Marten has something
Speaker 1: and screwed that up because those two independents that came in, uh,
Speaker 1: clearly were able to figure out what the hell that
Speaker 1: her highway bone is broken. Both of them came to
Speaker 1: the same conclusion.
Speaker 5: And I did let the mom know this week that
Speaker 5: about the example with sander birch Moore, because again, when
Speaker 5: I'm out there talking to the family, you know, we're
Speaker 5: holding the signs that have all the victims on it,
Speaker 5: and I have gone through each and every victim, told
Speaker 5: them the backstory and how all these cases are connected.
Speaker 4: I did mention as an example to her.
Speaker 5: You know, for instance, with sander Birchmore, initially the medical
Speaker 5: examiner determined it was a self harm, and then you know,
Speaker 5: after an independent investigation, it was determined that it was
Speaker 5: not a self harm, and this was done to her.
Speaker 4: I'm just trying to be careful with all the YouTube rules,
Speaker 4: so but.
Speaker 5: You know, reached out, and you know, I just feel
Speaker 5: like at this point they're really not asking for help.
Speaker 5: They just work with their way, So they're not really
Speaker 5: I don't want to say they're not receptive. They they're
Speaker 5: receptive to the love and support, prayers, answers, and.
Speaker 4: Every time they just reiterate, we just want answers. We
Speaker 4: want to know the truth.
Speaker 6: And you know, like I think I have a theory
Speaker 6: about this that if you believe in spiritual mediums, then
Speaker 6: this information came to us directly from John O'Keefe with
Speaker 6: regard to Peggy's attitude about everything and the idea that
Speaker 6: John was explaining that she she trusts the police because
Speaker 6: John himself was a good cop. Like if my son
Speaker 6: is a good cop, then cops are good people. She's
Speaker 6: generalizing that, you know that, therefore cops are good and
Speaker 6: I can trust them, and therefore this is the side
Speaker 6: I need to align myself with. It could be generational,
Speaker 6: it could be you know, just sort of informed by
Speaker 6: her own personal experience and her you know, love and
Speaker 6: respect for him, and it's unfortunately it's kind of swinging
Speaker 6: around to kind of bite her in the butt right now.
Speaker 6: But I wonder if the same could be extended to
Speaker 6: Enrique's family in the sense of they know that Enrique
Speaker 6: was a good police officer and a good honorable person,
Speaker 6: and so they're extending that same honor, I guess to
Speaker 6: the people around him, and therefore there being a little
Speaker 6: bit too trusting of the process and of the people
Speaker 6: in authority, like you know, just just undo honor, you know,
Speaker 6: honor that hasn't been earned, unearned and the vibe I got, sorry,
Speaker 6: d go ahead.
Speaker 1: In this situation that we've faced this in the UFO community,
Speaker 1: when you are trying to mess with someone's worldview. People
Speaker 1: have a view of what the world is, and this
Speaker 1: is the difficulty that people who understand and know that
Speaker 1: there are non human intelligences that not only are visiting
Speaker 1: Earth now, but have been doing so for hundreds of years,
Speaker 1: if not thousands of years, since since the Bible was written,
Speaker 1: and it was spoken about in the Bible, and since
Speaker 1: the Romans were marching around with you know, the sandals
Speaker 1: and the shields and the whole nine yards. Okay, so
Speaker 1: if you tell somebody, hey, you know what, not all
Speaker 1: police are good, They're gonna go Yeah, don't mess with
Speaker 1: what my view of the world is. My view of
Speaker 1: the world is police are good, they don't lie, and
Speaker 1: criminals are bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we kind of surround ourselves with what we're almost
Speaker 6: like only what we're willing to handle in that moment.
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you go back to listen
Speaker 1: to the episode of Calling All Beings we did on
Speaker 1: Tuesday a week ago when we had the old Cab
Speaker 1: crew back with Nathan and deb and Courtney and Scott McGinnis,
Speaker 1: asked Nathan, he says, I believe that UFOs are all demons.
Speaker 1: And so I said, oh, how perfect that Nathan and
Speaker 1: Scott earned the same chat on the same live at
Speaker 1: the same time. Nathan, you know, not only was the
Speaker 1: son of a pastor, not only was the youth pastor.
Speaker 1: He got his masters in divinity and went to a
Speaker 1: Biblical college and got his master's degree. So he's very
Speaker 1: well placed to speak about this. Yeah, and he went
Speaker 1: through all that about lenses and when you have a
Speaker 1: certain lens, I'm looking through the world that lawn enforcement
Speaker 1: is good. If they say you did it, more than likely,
Speaker 1: except for a few strange things, you probably did it.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately people have to accept the fact that in
Speaker 1: my business, in the military and in government, we have
Speaker 1: dishonest people that will lie, that would see that would
Speaker 1: see you killed and not blink an eye about it.
Speaker 1: And the police do as well, and they are they
Speaker 1: are like a cousin of ours. We both have, you know,
Speaker 1: take we swear oaths and all those kinds of things,
Speaker 1: whereas civilians don't necessarily do that. But that's the reality
Speaker 1: of it. So let's let's take a look at let's
Speaker 1: get back to this right here, because people have some
Speaker 1: questions about the next question right below. This goes to
Speaker 1: one of your investigations. But BEV picked the forman in
Speaker 1: only three fkr wor alternatives, right, And that is the
Speaker 1: problem is that they did an assessment. First of all,
Speaker 1: what was Fanning doing there? Why was he interacting with
Speaker 1: the jury when they have baylists that do that, that
Speaker 1: are paid to do that. The second thing is the
Speaker 1: one guy, as Turtle Boy reported on his show, is
Speaker 1: that the jury foreman joined anti Karen read groups within
Speaker 1: days on Facebook after the trial. So there's that. And
Speaker 1: then it was said how he was telling people that
Speaker 1: only he could communicate with the judge and he was
Speaker 1: sort of exercising some level of undue control over the
Speaker 1: other jurors that he shouldn't.
Speaker 6: When he himself had a personal history of being the
Speaker 6: victim in a police in his capacity as a police officer,
Speaker 6: being the one who was vehicularly hit on the job.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't even know how he squeaked in
Speaker 6: in the first place to be on the jury. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well it's a negotiation, right when you're doing jury selection.
Speaker 1: You're not going to get everything you want and the
Speaker 1: prosecution's not going to get everything they want.
Speaker 7: So all right, this next one, Oh, okay, thoughts about
Speaker 7: location of Higgins and Mischi vehicle.
Speaker 6: Okay, So there has been so much speculation. I feel
Speaker 6: like I've heard so many conversations about higgins jeep and
Speaker 6: specifically the plow and when he plowed the driveway and
Speaker 6: why he plowed the driveway, and everybody's trying to figure
Speaker 6: out what's going on with the plow. I think that
Speaker 6: the plow was and a distraction and a lie from
Speaker 6: the beginning. I don't know that the plow was even
Speaker 6: present that night, because I believe that whatever vehicle he
Speaker 6: was driving was concealed at Kellehers based on the trajectory
Speaker 6: of the bee line, and based on just kind of
Speaker 6: looking at the tree and what's going on at Kella
Speaker 6: Hur's property, and the fact that Higgins claims to have
Speaker 6: departed the house at the basically the exact time that
Speaker 6: John and Karen were allegedly out there at that exact spot, Like,
Speaker 6: what is he doing? But here's the thing about the plow,
Speaker 6: Like I said, I've heard so many people say, oh,
Speaker 6: he was plowing away footprints? What footprints? There was no snow.
Speaker 6: Yet that doesn't make sense. I think that what happened
Speaker 6: was he came up with the plow lie because he
Speaker 6: needed to explain why he didn't see it. Like first,
Speaker 6: the first lie was while I was parked at the
Speaker 6: mailbox two, and that lie was to cover the fact
Speaker 6: that he wasn't. And then it's like, oh, well, if
Speaker 6: you were parked at the mailbox, then why didn't you
Speaker 6: see the body? I mean right when you turned on
Speaker 6: your you know, lights would have been right there. Oh well,
Speaker 6: you know, I was bent over. See my plow was
Speaker 6: down and I had to bend over, and so I
Speaker 6: wasn't actually looking. And it's like, well, why was your
Speaker 6: plow down?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 6: Oh well, you know, I was plowing Brian Albert's driveway.
Speaker 6: Well but it hadn't snowed yet. Oh well, I was
Speaker 6: being silly. It was an inside joke. Like I feel
Speaker 6: like the whole thing was built backwards just because he
Speaker 6: came up with a fast lie initially and now he
Speaker 6: had to like support it and support it and support it.
Speaker 6: Like I don't think that he did a sweep of
Speaker 6: the driveway. I don't think that happened at all. I
Speaker 6: don't even know if the plow was on the vehicle.
Speaker 6: Quite frankly, like, I think that it was just an
Speaker 6: excuse as to why he couldn't have seen the body
Speaker 6: as he was driving away from the mailbox. So like
Speaker 6: none of it was true. In my opinion, the.
Speaker 1: Best place people to make the to come up with
Speaker 1: those stories is somebody who's the police officer because they
Speaker 1: know those things that are that are going to be asked.
Speaker 1: And we have more questions for you guys. So just
Speaker 1: hang on, let me just get to because Christine Mitchell
Speaker 1: showed up from Manchester. So here we go. We have
Speaker 1: not seen her. Let me see, I'm gonna see what
Speaker 1: we do. See Hello, Christine Mitchell from Manchester. I can't
Speaker 1: be ast Love. I missed you all, been very partly,
Speaker 1: but I'm on the rule to recovery. So nice to
Speaker 1: see you all. Christine. I hope you feel better, Love.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were illing, but we missed
Speaker 1: you because I haven't been able to do the Manchester.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, but let me know how you're doing
Speaker 1: and what's going on, because you can. You know, you
Speaker 1: got my YouTube plus in the calling All Beings one,
Speaker 1: Calling All Beings number one at gmail if you want hollow.
Speaker 1: So but I'm glad you're yeah, yeah, what do we
Speaker 1: got here? We got another question for you and we
Speaker 1: have lots but uh so, Beatrice, how about this one?
Speaker 4: See this part of the story, I feel like I
Speaker 4: do believe, like I.
Speaker 5: Feel like there was not really to make this second
Speaker 5: the facts of the case part stick.
Speaker 4: I don't feel that they needed to come up with
Speaker 4: this plan that they went to a funeral because we
Speaker 4: know that typically cops do this. This isn't out of
Speaker 4: the norm. You know, they turn it into an all
Speaker 4: day event and there was snowcups, So.
Speaker 5: I actually do believe that this part was actually true.
Speaker 5: I don't really see a reason to make this part up.
Speaker 5: But It just adds to the fact that they were
Speaker 5: probably maybe you know, drinking all day and.
Speaker 4: It's parting and that part. But I don't really like
Speaker 4: that would be that they would need to.
Speaker 1: Lie about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, if anything, I think the lie was
Speaker 6: probably more like maybe ten minutes at the funeral, three
Speaker 6: hours at a bar kind of thing, like you know,
Speaker 6: just up to mischief, you know, like just kind of
Speaker 6: showing face at the funeral as an excuse to have
Speaker 6: a paid day off from work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like it like that would be the
Speaker 1: deception driving drunk because we can Harah, don't you be
Speaker 1: grabbing me, harrish grabbing Go ahead, Grace is free, you
Speaker 1: of my friend.
Speaker 6: Okay, did you ever find out correlating that Jennifer went
Speaker 6: into the house that discredits John's didn't? Yes? Well okay, yes,
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: Put John in the house.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe yea, put put John in the house.
Speaker 6: Put John in the house.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: Here's the scoop with Jen McKay being in the house.
Speaker 6: Jen McCabe's heart data had a lot of mysterious stuff
Speaker 6: going on with it. It was unusually low at times
Speaker 6: when it should be much higher. It was high during
Speaker 6: times when it should be much lower. And one of
Speaker 6: the things that came out of that was that if
Speaker 6: the watch can't get a good read on your skin
Speaker 6: because your skin is too cold, then it's going to
Speaker 6: read kind of artificially low because it's not getting that
Speaker 6: good solid reading. So based on that, when you look
Speaker 6: at her heart rate data from midnight to about ten am,
Speaker 6: you can see there are points where it's like, wow,
Speaker 6: you know, it's really really super duper low here. Yet
Speaker 6: we know that she was out socializing, we know where
Speaker 6: she was at this point. She might us have been outside.
Speaker 6: We also know that the forefront steps at the Alberts
Speaker 6: is not enough of an elevation change to register any
Speaker 6: floor like increase in the altitude, so she could have
Speaker 6: been scurrying around in and out of the house and
Speaker 6: and you know, getting cold and not having enough time
Speaker 6: to like warm up to get a good solid reading
Speaker 6: on her heart rate. So I to me, I feel
Speaker 6: like when you combine the kind of the absence of
Speaker 6: the data or the extra low data with times when
Speaker 6: it's higher, it's like, Okay, she must have been warm here,
Speaker 6: cold here, warm here. It feels like it's showing us
Speaker 6: that she's going in and out of the house. Hopefully
Speaker 6: that makes sense. It makes sense in here, but it's not.
Speaker 6: It doesn't leave my mouth in a very.
Speaker 1: Every show.
Speaker 7: And what it what?
Speaker 1: But you had her between the hours of when she
Speaker 1: would have gotten home or those hours after John's death.
Speaker 1: What do you have on that heartwork?
Speaker 6: So her? What I did was I determined the urgency
Speaker 6: of her pace by dividing the number of steps across
Speaker 6: time to basically get a speed at which she was walking.
Speaker 6: And it was incredible to me that the urgency of
Speaker 6: her steps was far greater between like one am and
Speaker 6: two am than it was when she was actually out
Speaker 6: searching for John and finding John. Like wow, I mean
Speaker 6: that's like good God, you know, like I think that
Speaker 6: the most urgent time would be running around frantically trying
Speaker 6: to find him at his house, where there was no
Speaker 6: indication that she ever actually went upstairs the way that
Speaker 6: she claimed that she did on the witness stand. But
Speaker 6: then also like even when she was on the scene,
Speaker 6: you know, you can see Karen and Carrie, you know,
Speaker 6: frantically pacing and running around and bebopping around, and and
Speaker 6: Jen is really not like she is not behaving in
Speaker 6: a way that is consistent with that urgency surprise that
Speaker 6: you do see between one am and two am, Like,
Speaker 6: what in the world is going on at one am
Speaker 6: and two am where there's an absence of clear heart rate.
Speaker 6: So we know she's outside and we know that the
Speaker 6: urgency is there. She's moving around, scarrying around like a little.
Speaker 1: Rat, so you know something's going on, you know, perfect analogy.
Speaker 1: And the thing that's interesting there is that the lie
Speaker 1: is that when Karen absolutely freaks out and jumps out
Speaker 1: of the car, at that point, the person laying on
Speaker 1: the lawn has been id'd. Yeah, if that person were
Speaker 1: someone who wandered from the local train station in Canton
Speaker 1: and fell on the lawn, likely, Jen, excuse me, Karen
Speaker 1: would not have freaked out the way that she did
Speaker 1: and gone and was screaming and screaming at Kerry and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So the lie right there, of which
Speaker 1: Jen is such a prolific if ineffective liar, as I
Speaker 1: call her on Twitter, is that is that she knew
Speaker 1: that that was O'Keefe, and yet both times she got
Speaker 1: on the phone with nine one one, she did an
Speaker 1: idea O'Keefe, but she knew based on Karen's reaction that
Speaker 1: it was O'Keefe and she still lied exactly.
Speaker 6: Wow, I can't prove that, but yeah, but there is
Speaker 6: something that we can prove. Remember earlier, I said that
Speaker 6: there were three things, three different experiments that I had
Speaker 6: conducted this week. One thing that I kept hearing people
Speaker 6: say is that Gen's the steps on Gen's phone, and
Speaker 6: watch paralleled that of what occurred on John's phone starting
Speaker 6: at six oh four am. And of course, you know,
Speaker 6: I have all my spreadsheets and I'm looking at I'm like,
Speaker 6: why are people saying that, Like this doesn't make sense.
Speaker 6: I'm like, it's not it's not working out. And so
Speaker 6: I'm like, okay, but something something had John's phone going,
Speaker 6: and so I you know, crossed off a list of possibilities.
Speaker 6: And I already kind of had it in my mind
Speaker 6: that it had something to do with CPR. So I
Speaker 6: conducted an experiment six different ways by using a really
Speaker 6: firm pillow and kind of nestling the phone under the
Speaker 6: firm pillow. And and you know, to do proper CPR,
Speaker 6: it is forceful. You need to break ribs. And so
Speaker 6: for this experiment, I gave it everything that I had.
Speaker 6: I mean, I did one hundred compressions through the pillow
Speaker 6: with the phone underneath it, with a phone face down
Speaker 6: and with the phone face up, and I checked it.
Speaker 6: No steps and I'm like, that's weird, kind of a disappointment.
Speaker 6: But I was like, Okay, maybe it's because the pillow
Speaker 6: is too soft. John has a rib cage. So I
Speaker 6: got one of my baby's like board books and I
Speaker 6: put that. So now the layer was, you know, very
Speaker 6: firm pillow, baby's board book, phone, and then I had
Speaker 6: a folded towel to kind of represent the ground, just
Speaker 6: to give a little bit of cushion, give a little yeah,
Speaker 6: a little bit of cushion, but like not a tremendous amount,
Speaker 6: and same thing. Really, I was out of breath. I
Speaker 6: was literally out of breath after all these experiments because
Speaker 6: I was trying to be so forceful. I did it
Speaker 6: with the phone facing down and with the phone facing up,
Speaker 6: no steps recorded, and I'm like, what is going on here?
Speaker 6: And then I thought what if Carrie found the phone
Speaker 6: earlier than she claimed on the stand. So I went
Speaker 6: and I put on a coat and I put the
Speaker 6: phone in the pocket, did one hundred forceful compressions and
Speaker 6: it logged the steps and I put it in the
Speaker 6: other pocket, same thing. One hundred more forceful compressions. And
Speaker 6: it's because the coat was swinging and it was banging
Speaker 6: against my thigh. But the coat being open and swinging
Speaker 6: was giving the acceleration that had been lacking in the
Speaker 6: original compressions. So I thought, okay, But why would Carrie
Speaker 6: lie on the stand. So I went back and watched
Speaker 6: her testimony, and the way that Lolli phrased the question
Speaker 6: was so odd. He was like, and then, you know,
Speaker 6: did you happen to see anything when the paramedics were
Speaker 6: lifting the body from the ground? Like it was so
Speaker 6: it was leading. It was so clear what he wanted
Speaker 6: her to say. And knowing that she has a reputation
Speaker 6: as a talker, I feel like somebody had told her
Speaker 6: ahead of the trial, like, you know, don't insert your
Speaker 6: own opinion, only answer yes or no, only like keep
Speaker 6: it brief, keep it limited. And I feel like she
Speaker 6: knew what he needed her to say. And then get this.
Speaker 6: I reviewed the testimony even further, and he went on
Speaker 6: to ask her what part of John's body was the
Speaker 6: phone under and she said, well, you know, like kind
Speaker 6: of his shoulder, and Lolly said shoulder or do you
Speaker 6: mean like lower back and lower back? And she was
Speaker 6: like shoulder or or back or shoulder or But like
Speaker 6: by the time LOLLI got done pressing her on it,
Speaker 6: she was like, yeah, I think it was probably in
Speaker 6: the middle of his back. Like her testimony changed before
Speaker 6: our eyes. Yeah, because Lollie had an idea of where
Speaker 6: he needed the conversation to go. It was it was
Speaker 6: so manipulated and so like prompted, and so I thought, no,
Speaker 6: you know, she imagine finding your dear friend on the ground.
Speaker 6: The last thing that you're lodging in your memory is
Speaker 6: at what point you found the phone and put it
Speaker 6: in your pocket? Like that's that's not what's important right now.
Speaker 6: Saving your friend's life is what's important. Like she's not
Speaker 6: going to have a specific memory of that. They created
Speaker 6: that memory, and I think that they they played they
Speaker 6: Out of all of the witnesses, I felt like she
Speaker 6: was one who was genuinely impacted by the loss. I
Speaker 6: felt her responses seemed to be sincere, that she was
Speaker 6: trying to be cooperative with both the defense and the prosecutor,
Speaker 6: Like she really seemed to be trying to just give
Speaker 6: everybody as true of statements as she could. In the moment.
Speaker 6: There didn't seem to be any of what we saw
Speaker 6: out of Jen McCabe and others. There didn't. There wasn't
Speaker 6: that hostility and that pushback and that attitude. So I
Speaker 6: don't think she was trying to mislead anybody. But I
Speaker 6: think that phone went into her pocket almost instantly. Wow,
Speaker 6: because the only thing that could recreate that exact amount
Speaker 6: of steps in that exact amount of time was the
Speaker 6: phone in the coat pocket with those forceful compression. It
Speaker 6: was crazy chills again.
Speaker 1: I have killed Sorry, I'm telling you, man, she's killing it.
Speaker 6: Can you do?
Speaker 1: Jen mckabe on the stand when she tells talk professes
Speaker 1: her love and friendship for John Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Oh about the men passed out on the lawn?
Speaker 1: No, not that one, when she goes, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: He was my friend.
Speaker 1: I loved him. Did somebody give me a tishoe?
Speaker 4: If that's love, I don't want it, I.
Speaker 6: Know, right, Like good example she's setting for her children
Speaker 6: about what love is. Uh.
Speaker 1: The calling all beings? Official attorney valhal Loss says, can
Speaker 1: you read this one, grace now?
Speaker 6: Folks watched Sergio Oh, Sergio Gnaro, he clicked high sensitivity
Speaker 6: about the funeral, the trip back, and b H and
Speaker 6: b A hanging out in the afternoon. Yeah, that doesn't
Speaker 6: surprise me at all that there would be high sensitivity
Speaker 6: about that. I think that, Like, like I said, I
Speaker 6: think there was deception happening, but I don't think it
Speaker 6: had anything to do with John at that time. I
Speaker 6: think that they were just off doing naughty things on
Speaker 6: the clock that they shouldn't have, you know, like they
Speaker 6: were just squandering the opportunity to do what they were
Speaker 6: supposed to be doing. I would imagine because the thing
Speaker 6: I've noticed I've people have asked me a lot about
Speaker 6: Sergio lately. I think that he is really good at
Speaker 6: identifying the sensitivity and analyzing the language. And I've noticed
Speaker 6: that his identification skills seem to be stronger than his
Speaker 6: interpretation skills, Like he's spot on in nailing it, but
Speaker 6: when it comes to piecing together what it means, it
Speaker 6: feels like sometimes he's just a little bit off, like
Speaker 6: to the left or to the right of what we
Speaker 6: know actually happened. So I think he's very good at
Speaker 6: detecting the sensitivity and educating us all about the language.
Speaker 6: It certainly got me thinking about what things I say
Speaker 6: that could be perceived as like as deceptive, like if
Speaker 6: like God forbid I ever die and anyone analyzes what
Speaker 6: I've said like, you know, because it's there are so
Speaker 6: many nuanced things that we don't even realize.
Speaker 1: You know, is this this one ring with you, Beatrice
Speaker 1: or or Grace?
Speaker 4: Oh, No one saw the jeep, but Jen and Matt.
Speaker 6: I have thoughts about that. You guys, have any thoughts
Speaker 6: ahead your thoughts. So so there there are two. There
Speaker 6: are two white jeeps involved, despite the fact that Higgins
Speaker 6: said on the stand that his jeep was gray in
Speaker 6: color when everyone else testified that it was white, and
Speaker 6: also we have photos of it in his driveway and
Speaker 6: it is white. It is white. But Allie McKay may
Speaker 6: have been driving her mom's white jeep that night. I
Speaker 6: think that's a four door. Higgins jeep is a two door.
Speaker 6: I feel like there are competing interests about the idea
Speaker 6: of a jeep, and I feel like Higgins was trying
Speaker 6: to say, well, his jeep was gray. His jeep has
Speaker 6: a plow. So if you happen to see a white
Speaker 6: jeep on camera anywhere in town. It's not him. But
Speaker 6: Jen and Matt, who would be trying to protect their daughter,
Speaker 6: would be very invested in the idea of yes, Higgins
Speaker 6: has a jeep, Yes it was there, Yes it's white.
Speaker 6: Because if a jeep is spotted in town, they don't
Speaker 6: want anyone to think that it's Ali. They want people
Speaker 6: to think that it's Higgins. So I feel like each
Speaker 6: one is kind of trying to protect themselves by creating
Speaker 6: distance and planting accusations almost about the jeep to muddy
Speaker 6: the water is even further. But that's just a hypothesis.
Speaker 6: What do y'all sin?
Speaker 1: This is what I would have to know is for
Speaker 1: the mccabs jeep, I would have to know if they're
Speaker 1: talking about a jeep wrangler, because if you have a
Speaker 1: you know, like a jeep wrangler. Now, we have the
Speaker 1: type of a jeep that traditionally it has a bumper
Speaker 1: that's meant to have a winch and a plow on it.
Speaker 1: If you're talking about a jeep Cherokee or a Grand
Speaker 1: Cherokee or something like that, that's a completely different setup.
Speaker 1: You you actually need to buy an entire rig to
Speaker 1: hook up to the frame in order to mount a
Speaker 1: plow on something like a jeep Cherokee or Grand Cherokee.
Speaker 1: So they're both okay, So they're both wranglers, so they
Speaker 1: have the nu vo style where everyone has like a
Speaker 1: lifted four door wrangler that has like big mutter tires
Speaker 1: and Higgins Higgins did was his jeep one of those
Speaker 1: lifted types or was it a set low kind of
Speaker 1: a jeep that just happened to have a plot, more
Speaker 1: like a utility jeep than a sexy I'm driving around
Speaker 1: West Palm Beach kind of a jeep. To me, I'm
Speaker 1: not even trying to be funny.
Speaker 6: Just the only difference, Like when I looked at the
Speaker 6: pictures side by side, and the only difference that I saw,
Speaker 6: and admittedly I wasn't looking to see if it had
Speaker 6: a lift kit, but the only difference that I noticed
Speaker 6: between the two models was four door versus two door,
Speaker 6: Like they had the same type of top like on
Speaker 6: the back, like everything else looked. And that's the thing
Speaker 6: about jeeps, they really they're so consistent from model year
Speaker 6: to model year that it's tough to even gauge what
Speaker 6: year it is because you know, it's just very consistent,
Speaker 6: a very classic design to it.
Speaker 1: Wow, to see I'll just see the photos because a
Speaker 1: lot of people that plow will use a more utility
Speaker 1: looking jeep that they didn't spend a ton of money
Speaker 1: on it, and it doesn't have thirty three inch tires
Speaker 1: and a lift kit and all that neat stuff. And
Speaker 1: the four door jeeps have become very much a fashion plate.
Speaker 1: Anybody who goes down to Destin, Florida, there is an
Speaker 1: entire dealership that has nothing but lifted jeeps. And you
Speaker 1: can either buy one that they've customized that say okay,
Speaker 1: I like that one, or they'll customize one for you.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing but four door lifted jeeps with all
Speaker 1: different assortment of rims and brush bars and everything else.
Speaker 1: So that was the thing where I'm picturing Higgins in
Speaker 1: more of a winter type jeep that he plows with
Speaker 1: rather than a jeep that's a fashion fashion statement. Most
Speaker 1: of those jeeps never even leave the road. They never
Speaker 1: even go off the road. They're meant to be washed
Speaker 1: and waxed and and and you know, tire shine and
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. Yeah but.
Speaker 8: Wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So these flames right here, I just got to know,
Speaker 1: are these for Beatrice again? Are these for Grace or me.
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 6: There's one for each of us.
Speaker 4: There you go, that's why there's three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. Is there anything? Yes, somebody was responding
Speaker 1: to some idiot that was saying Chloe is still alive
Speaker 1: and troop or somebody has the the the proof. So
Speaker 1: we just kicked him out of here because we don't
Speaker 1: need one of the mcalverts in here just acting like
Speaker 1: an idiot.
Speaker 6: Because you know, if ANDFO about the shelter that Chloe
Speaker 6: originated from, because remember how Nicole said that Chloe had
Speaker 6: originated from a shelter in Texas and when it was
Speaker 6: time to rehome Chloe that she had first contacted the
Speaker 6: shelter in Texas to see if they had any connections
Speaker 6: for rehoming her. I live like an hour away from
Speaker 6: the Texas German Shepherd Rescue whatever. Like I'd if anybody
Speaker 6: has any like further information, I'd be happy to go
Speaker 6: over and speak to them or contact them or whatever.
Speaker 6: If we knew that that was where, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: it would be a very awkward conversation, but I'd be
Speaker 6: happy to give it a try if if it could
Speaker 6: further the investigation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't think they that nobody knows
Speaker 1: where that dog is period. Nobody knows that that dog
Speaker 1: where she came from.
Speaker 6: I would that would be so interesting to know, like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: Nicole did call Versus, No, we never heard from them again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you would have to get with I
Speaker 1: mean they probably have expunged the records from the veterinarian.
Speaker 1: The veterinarian, what you will have turned over all the
Speaker 1: records that you had to the veterinarian, specifically the initial
Speaker 1: shots that she got as a puppy. Yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: heard that gentleman who was on with Melanie Little and
Speaker 1: I'll forget his name, what's his name, Garrett Wing? Garrett Wing?
Speaker 1: And he said, generally they don't use the females as
Speaker 1: as police dogs, but that's not a universal rule. And
Speaker 1: it's quite possible that that that Chloe had tried and
Speaker 1: failed out of those one of those academies, and that's
Speaker 1: how they were able to get her. Because I'm sure
Speaker 1: Brian Albert wouldn't be spending like two or three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars on a purebred German shepherd. He'd be looking like
Speaker 1: I can get new rims from my truck. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what's this Nurse Sasha, thank you for your coming up there.
Speaker 1: Karen losing her mind in the background was genuine.
Speaker 4: Yet oh yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sasha, basically, Sasha, where's your other comment? But Sasha
Speaker 1: was basically saying that Jen's behavior was inconsistent. Here it
Speaker 1: is right here, this is what it was. Somebody reading.
Speaker 4: No one ever calls nine one one so calm like
Speaker 4: she did. If you know the person you're you're taking
Speaker 4: back and.
Speaker 6: Are taken by surprise, yeah again, And you're not going
Speaker 6: to discourage people from doing CPR. And you're not going
Speaker 6: to tell nine one one that you think he's already
Speaker 6: gone when you haven't even been there to a set Like,
Speaker 6: there's just so much wrong with that conversation.
Speaker 1: Let's just think passed out in the lawn Daddy the
Speaker 1: famous Albert's residence. Everybody knows them all around the way
Speaker 1: all they're famous.
Speaker 6: Well, and that's an other thing that I take so
Speaker 6: much issue with is why did she feel comfortable going
Speaker 6: into that house? Like when I put myself in Jen
Speaker 6: McCabe's shoes, if I have tried to call my sister,
Speaker 6: if I have tried to call my brother, in law,
Speaker 6: nobody's answering, the dog is not going bonkers. There's a
Speaker 6: dead man out and in the front of the lawn.
Speaker 6: In my mind, everyone in the house has been annihilated
Speaker 6: and it is not safe to go in there. I
Speaker 6: would be begging the police to kick down the door
Speaker 6: to make sure that my relatives were alive. I wouldn't
Speaker 6: be like scuttering off and like, you know, sneaking in
Speaker 6: to let them know. I would be like, and if
Speaker 6: I were the police, I'd be thinking, exigen circumstances, we
Speaker 6: need to kick down the door and make sure that
Speaker 6: this isn't a massacre.
Speaker 1: But they you know, let's talk about that for a second.
Speaker 1: But I just want to say thank you to Colleen,
Speaker 1: because Colleen obviously is the proprietor of a horse rescue,
Speaker 1: And thank you very much Colleen for doing that. Ma'am. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, and the other thing. And val hal
Speaker 1: Law has something. But I want to say this again.
Speaker 1: We could look at Grace, we could look at lenses,
Speaker 1: and you're looking through the lens of somebody who doesn't
Speaker 1: look at Brian Albert with the sense of idolatry that
Speaker 1: certainly Jen McCabe does. This is a superhero. This is
Speaker 1: super Cop, this is RoboCop, this is the the unbeatable,
Speaker 1: unbreakable Brian Albert. And she will not have thought, even
Speaker 1: if she didn't know, you know what, you make a
Speaker 1: good point, but she would think, there's nobody going to
Speaker 1: that house and taking out Brian Albert not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He probably has weapons in the bathroom under the vanity
Speaker 1: taped to the toilet seat, like the Godfather Godfather one.
Speaker 1: If you guys remember that, remember Michael goes in the
Speaker 1: bathroom and okay, you guys.
Speaker 6: The one.
Speaker 1: I'm smart, so but yeah, so it's possible. But I
Speaker 1: agree her behavior is is all of their behaviors are
Speaker 1: behaviors of guilt. That's why this is so absurd. A
Speaker 1: prosecutor would have ripped and I'm going to curse now,
Speaker 1: would have ripped the ship out of every one of
Speaker 1: these people if they were civilians, they would have tore
Speaker 1: them limb from limb. There would be nothing left sitting
Speaker 1: at the defense table if they were civilians, because every
Speaker 1: single thing they did is guilty. So when an idiot
Speaker 1: shows up in this chat and acts like, oh, they
Speaker 1: have Chloe's records, you have no proof that Chloe is alive,
Speaker 1: My friend none period. Chloe is dead, buried in rural
Speaker 1: Massachusetts somewhere, sadly because I love dogs. Another Brian Albert victim.
Speaker 6: Brian Albert like the idea that he doesn't lock his door.
Speaker 6: I mean, give me a break. Who pisses off fugitives
Speaker 6: on the daily and then doesn't lock their own front door?
Speaker 6: Like that makes no sense to me. And the fact
Speaker 6: that he's a combat veteran. I mean, my husband is
Speaker 6: a combat veteran. Like he is obsessive about locking the doors.
Speaker 6: He is obsessive about protecting our family. He doesn't like
Speaker 6: he's never fully asleep at night, Like he hears one
Speaker 6: little sound and he's like up to go investigate it,
Speaker 6: you know, back to his you know, back to the
Speaker 6: corner in any restaurant, to be able to keep an
Speaker 6: eye on everything. Like I think all of these things
Speaker 6: are reflexes. So Brian Albert seems to be acting out
Speaker 6: of character as well by not having these basic reflexes.
Speaker 6: I mean, was he really so deeply asleep that he
Speaker 6: missed the commotion on the lawn? Like what kind of
Speaker 6: first you're wonder?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 1: Nobody? I mean, but I mean, you can't even you
Speaker 1: can't even answer that question because to answer, for you
Speaker 1: to answer that question, Grace means that it's a serious question.
Speaker 1: So you for you to even just go through the
Speaker 1: the energy and air you just took to convert up
Speaker 1: CO two to oxygen you know for yourself, is like,
Speaker 1: of course it's a lie. Of course Keller is a liar.
Speaker 1: These guys are liars. That's what they do. So that's
Speaker 1: their game. So this one right here, maybe a beaterest
Speaker 1: can read this one from Dallas. Great job tonight, by
Speaker 1: the way, Dallas, great questions, great interaction bringing it.
Speaker 5: Grace in my mind was blown with your last video
Speaker 5: and the explanation of the floors. I've been racking my
Speaker 5: brain over the floors. What was your reaction when you
Speaker 5: experiment your experiment work?
Speaker 4: Surprised or excited?
Speaker 6: Oh? Both? Well, not necessarily. I was surprised. Okay, so
Speaker 6: you have to remember that there was a delay in
Speaker 6: logging the floors, so I thought that my experiment had failed.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, like I really I was, quite frankly,
Speaker 6: I was kind of annoyed that I had flung myself
Speaker 6: on the floor so passionately, like I mean, I really
Speaker 6: committed to the bit, you know, like I was flinging
Speaker 6: myself down and getting back up and hopping around like
Speaker 6: a boxer and flinging myself down again. So when I
Speaker 6: looked and I saw that there was no data, I
Speaker 6: was like, oh God, Like I was so disappointed. And
Speaker 6: then later when I went to start up a different
Speaker 6: when I went to start up the CPR experiment, I
Speaker 6: looked and I was like, oh, my gosh, there hit
Speaker 6: the floor.
Speaker 4: When did it happen?
Speaker 6: And it was exactly during the time that my flinging
Speaker 6: down experiments had taken place, And so that's when I
Speaker 6: was excited because I was like, I knew it. I
Speaker 6: knew it because I knew that that that that there
Speaker 6: was another explanation that it literally did not make sense
Speaker 6: for him to be ascending and descending. Well, first of all, descending.
Speaker 6: They don't track descending floors, so I knew that that
Speaker 6: was a problem, but there was no there, Like the
Speaker 6: math just wasn't coming together until that moment, and I
Speaker 6: was like, it was just such a victory, you know, like.
Speaker 1: And a lot of us didn't even know that. We
Speaker 1: didn't even know it doesn't track descending only uscending.
Speaker 6: It was so weird that they that everyone agreed on
Speaker 6: that language when it literally doesn't tracticscend like, show me
Speaker 6: one that does. I've never seen it, and it certainly
Speaker 6: wasn't that night. Because of Newton's laws of gravity, anything
Speaker 6: that went up would have come back down. We know
Speaker 6: that Jen McCabe didn't stay in Brian Albert's bedroom forever.
Speaker 6: She had come back down, but there was no log
Speaker 6: of it. So because of the lack of paired data,
Speaker 6: it demonstrates that descending floors were not tracked that night
Speaker 6: or possibly ever. So it's just weird that both sides
Speaker 6: agreed to use that language.
Speaker 1: You know, Can I ask you a question, though, grace
Speaker 1: to both you and Beatrice want to say hello to
Speaker 1: the sexy John Pomo ya.
Speaker 6: Hey, John Canton besides missus queen of course. Yeah, going
Speaker 6: back to get the phone shows who what video.
Speaker 5: I think he's talking about because I saw it pop
Speaker 5: up when you were talking about Carrie okay or yeah?
Speaker 1: I think yeah, about her her actions in terms of
Speaker 1: the the car, like going, exiting the car, getting the phone,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. I think that's what she's talking about.
Speaker 5: Oh oh, do I need to see oh, John, let
Speaker 5: me see if he wants to Yeah, he did just clarified.
Speaker 1: He wants to come on real quick.
Speaker 4: Okay, he said.
Speaker 5: I just went back to Sarah shows up on the
Speaker 5: scene at six ' ten, and the phone would have
Speaker 5: lined up with Carrie's movement.
Speaker 4: The dash cam would show the movements.
Speaker 1: Okay, So so Sarah, we'll try to get him on
Speaker 1: here so he can. Yeah, so he can. I just
Speaker 1: sent him a link, so or I sent the link
Speaker 1: to the chat. So get up in here if he wants. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I mean, if somebody else wants to come up,
Speaker 1: we're not. We don't have a whole lot of time left.
Speaker 1: So this will be kind of like the last thing.
Speaker 1: Uh DJ The information I pulled up on Chloe, I
Speaker 1: will send you if she finds credible. If great, that's
Speaker 1: not all right, all right, thank you Reality Check. And
Speaker 1: by the way, thank you very much for your donation
Speaker 1: of four ninety nine. Friend, can I get a.
Speaker 2: Eh, uh, who's here?
Speaker 1: The legend?
Speaker 4: Oh god, he the man legend?
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 9: I want John, before you say anything, I want to
Speaker 9: talk about the Fu Manchu because you look like one
Speaker 9: of the characters in slap Shot, and you and I
Speaker 9: are the only two on this panel that know that movie.
Speaker 8: I actually know some I actually know the man that
Speaker 8: comes out Poodles, that comes out at the end of
Speaker 8: the movie. He's got the big afro. Uh played hockey
Speaker 8: against my father back down in the Cape Cod League, Lucier.
Speaker 8: He comes out right after the Indian on that last
Speaker 8: and that the last game when they when the other
Speaker 8: team lines up with all the tough guys. I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew there was a connection. So wonderful Fu Manchu.
Speaker 1: That alone deserves an award. I just want to say
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have to bear with me.
Speaker 8: You're gonna have to bear with me because I you know,
Speaker 8: I'm not in a studio. I don't have you know.
Speaker 8: I just I was watching the Patriots and watching you
Speaker 8: guys at the same time. And and I've been I
Speaker 8: know some people know I've been doing similar, similar thing,
Speaker 8: research into like everybody's testimony and lining it up with what,
Speaker 8: you know, what actually happened, you know, Like, so I
Speaker 8: just went back and I looked, and Sarah shows up
Speaker 8: on scene at six ' ten. Okay, And the one
Speaker 8: thing I haven't done is I didn't match because we
Speaker 8: we know Kerry had the phone. We just don't know
Speaker 8: from when she had the phone, and she doesn't even
Speaker 8: know who she handed the phone to. So the one
Speaker 8: thing I didn't do is go back through all the
Speaker 8: footage and look at all the dash camps to see
Speaker 8: what matches Kerry's movements, and then what when the phone?
Speaker 8: I want to see it, like when did she hand
Speaker 8: it off? Because when does the phone move and Kerry's
Speaker 8: not moving, you know.
Speaker 6: Right, good point, very good point. Yeah, I wish I
Speaker 6: wish we had Carrie's data. I wish that we had
Speaker 6: Karen's data. Would be helpful, you know, because that would
Speaker 6: make the Commonwealth's whole Oh John acquired those floors when
Speaker 6: he was driving on a hilly road, like you know,
Speaker 6: like if if Karen's data didn't have that, then guess what,
Speaker 6: it didn't happen. So it would be nice if we
Speaker 6: had everybody else's. I would love to see higgins step
Speaker 6: data because I am like, so, I'm like ninety nine
Speaker 6: percent sure that he was the one that dropped the
Speaker 6: phone off directly between the flagpole and the fire hydrant
Speaker 6: on his way back. Yep, Yeah, I would love to
Speaker 6: see his step data. But you know these things happen
Speaker 6: on base. You know, sometimes you just have to get
Speaker 6: rid of your phone in your SIM card.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that's why I always go to
Speaker 1: like some sort of secure facility to dispose of my
Speaker 1: SIM card. I mean that is credit that is totally
Speaker 1: consistent with behavior for an innocent person.
Speaker 5: After having specific if information extracted too on top exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going over to the very normal. Yeah, read to
Speaker 1: get John to read this after I say, thank you,
Speaker 1: go ahead if you would read this one, John, Thank.
Speaker 8: You, lilass. I'm using my phone, so I told you
Speaker 8: you with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you.
Speaker 4: I got you John.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 8: To you guys. I just can't read.
Speaker 4: Oh he was going to say he didn't have his glasses.
Speaker 4: That's how much I've watched him anyways, crazy Brazilian lady,
Speaker 4: thank you for the What makes me happy is Coco
Speaker 4: try to sleep every night and knows the truth that
Speaker 4: Karen didn't do it, can't wait to see her next
Speaker 4: child and look at and look like an eighty year
Speaker 4: old lady from all the stress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, it's someone else. We got another one
Speaker 1: from d mart. Thank you, so, oh man, look at
Speaker 1: this man from de Mart. Let me get this in here.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, look at this, missus Mullant Mullins.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that, detective. Thank you very much, ma'am.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you for letting us barrow this
Speaker 1: sexy animal a couple.
Speaker 8: Uh So I the last last week I had a
Speaker 8: little fun with similar things where I broke down Dally's
Speaker 8: testimony compared to Chris's testimony compared to the actual times
Speaker 8: from the surveillance footages, and when they left the bar,
Speaker 8: and well, there's no way, there's no way she could
Speaker 8: have so well, first off, we know they lied because
Speaker 8: she either lied to Colin or so so she she
Speaker 8: when Colin texted at eleven fifty four, come get me right,
Speaker 8: and she said, I'm driving people home. But according to
Speaker 8: her testimony, she said after she dropped other people home,
Speaker 8: she went to someone else's house. She never says whose house,
Speaker 8: and she never says where.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 8: But here's the thing. One of the girls that she
Speaker 8: dropped off lives one block away from thirty four failure
Speaker 8: on Spring Lane. Okay, that being said, so in eleventh,
Speaker 8: if we were to believe the texts, we texts her
Speaker 8: at eleven fifty four, come get me once again, I
Speaker 8: don't believe them, but we'll go. We'll go with their facts.
Speaker 8: So she also her Life three sixty shows her leaving
Speaker 8: her house at eleven twelve twelve O six right, well,
Speaker 8: to get from her house to his house, right, it
Speaker 8: was four minutes. No, it's not four minutes, especially in
Speaker 8: the snow. It's more like seven or eight minutes. And
Speaker 8: when Chris says he leaves the bar at twelve, I
Speaker 8: did a whole thing where like I put it all
Speaker 8: in chronicle logical orders, and I'm like, well, there's there's
Speaker 8: no way that Ali could have pulled into the driveway
Speaker 8: on the left side because Brian, because Coco and Coco's
Speaker 8: car was there, and then Brian would have pulled in
Speaker 8: with the car that they came back from the bar
Speaker 8: with and so, and they said that they saw Colin
Speaker 8: on his way out. So there's no way Ali pulled
Speaker 8: into the left side of the driveway because that would
Speaker 8: have been full. So if she, let's say, and she
Speaker 8: she is correct that she didn't see Jen because they
Speaker 8: would have crossed paths, because Jen was on her way
Speaker 8: from the bar to thirty four fair View and she
Speaker 8: would have been on her way from thirty four Fairview
Speaker 8: to the library or the condos next to the library,
Speaker 8: So they would have had the Life three sixty, would
Speaker 8: have had to cross paths with each other.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, so the Life three sixty Life three sixty is.
Speaker 6: I was very surprised that they didn't share more detailed
Speaker 6: information from it, because it's there, like it's you just
Speaker 6: have to tap on the trip to get all the
Speaker 6: specific details of it. So it was odd to me
Speaker 6: that they only shared the overviews of it, like they
Speaker 6: could have had very specific information from that.
Speaker 8: Well, if she had picked up Colin at the times
Speaker 8: they said she did and brought them home, they would
Speaker 8: have beat Chris home on his walk home from the waterfall.
Speaker 6: Makes sense.
Speaker 8: And yet Chris, so there's no way that that happened
Speaker 8: with the way they're saying it. And so when I
Speaker 8: posted that, I got I got attacked on Twitter. They're
Speaker 8: all like, well, what your infatuation with girls and this
Speaker 8: and that. I go, it's not infatuating girls, I mean
Speaker 8: infatuated with the lies exactly because because because it just
Speaker 8: doesn't math.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Can I interrupt here for a second. Apparently girls are
Speaker 1: are in factuate with John because John the people have spoken,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, So you know what happened the other night?
Speaker 8: I shaved on Friday night? No wait, whit night was
Speaker 8: the snowstorm. Friday was a snowstorm. So yes, So Saturday
Speaker 8: morning I was like, oh my god, I got a
Speaker 8: shave and like two years ago, I only had like
Speaker 8: three little whites right here, and I went into shave
Speaker 8: and there was a whole quality and I'm like, that's it.
Speaker 8: Those things are coming off right now. But just just
Speaker 8: for the just for Christmas, I'm doing the food Manchu,
Speaker 8: that'll all come off.
Speaker 1: I love it. It looks, it looks awesome, looks cool.
Speaker 1: I think what I'm seeing here is the next time
Speaker 1: we need to have, like we need to do this over,
Speaker 1: but do this for like two hours. Is John and
Speaker 1: his colleague here, Grace. I think that's what we need
Speaker 1: to do, right Yeah, yeah, yes, I'll have to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I will want to geek out with others, you.
Speaker 8: Know, yeah, because yours are so much better, Like you know,
Speaker 8: I watch all yours. Yours is you know, I'm just
Speaker 8: I'm just going in through all the court, you know,
Speaker 8: just doing screen records from what they said in court,
Speaker 8: you know, that's important too.
Speaker 6: I feel like it's it is far too big for anyone,
Speaker 6: any one person to do the whole thing, Like everybody
Speaker 6: has to kind of have their own little like bitty
Speaker 6: bit and they're focusing on yeah, and so I love
Speaker 6: that everybody, like the JFK guys are focusing on the
Speaker 6: waterfall and you're focusing on the testimony.
Speaker 4: Like it's great that.
Speaker 6: Everybody is just kind of tornadoing down on just specific
Speaker 6: little chunks.
Speaker 8: So the big thing is it's like a lot of people,
Speaker 8: you know, I find it nobody. I shouldn't say nobody.
Speaker 8: A lot of people. Their attention span is like three
Speaker 8: to five minutes, and that's and that's that's a given,
Speaker 8: Like nobody's gonna watch, uh, you know, a ten twenty
Speaker 8: minute video. So I'm like, Okay, I got to get
Speaker 8: it down and I don't want to pay for the
Speaker 8: extra Twitter, so I have to keep it under a
Speaker 8: certain amount to post videos on Twitter. So that's so
Speaker 8: that's why I try to keep mind is short, like
Speaker 8: and what will happen is I'll be so I'll be
Speaker 8: going through whether it's on Facebook at Twitter, and I'll
Speaker 8: be watching the arguments and someone will say something and
Speaker 8: I'm like okay, and I go right back into all
Speaker 8: the video footage and I'm like nope, nope, nope, and
Speaker 8: then I put it all together. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what's amazing about this whole movement. That
Speaker 5: you have Grace in Texas who is taking the time
Speaker 5: to do stuff from Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: And that's what's amazing. I mean, you're right.
Speaker 5: I know that you're not in Canton right now, but yeah,
Speaker 5: but I'm in there daily almost right, So, I mean
Speaker 5: it's like we're all playing our part and it's amazing
Speaker 5: what we've been able to create and unintentionally just from
Speaker 5: watching the sham of a trial, that we are all
Speaker 5: dissecting this on a whole nother level.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything like this be done. And that's
Speaker 4: why I even like when I I saw the when
Speaker 4: on the Las Vegas cops, I'm like, thank you for
Speaker 4: taking an interest in our state. You know, It's it's
Speaker 4: crazy the amount of support everywhere. I mean, the Aussies,
Speaker 4: like every everyone is just putting in so much effort.
Speaker 5: Into helping us, and who knows, maybe the process, I mean,
Speaker 5: the defense is out there listening to us and all
Speaker 5: our crazy theories and what we think and maybe they
Speaker 5: take something away from each and every you know YouTube.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 1: Race is a native, by the way, so her heart, Yeah.
Speaker 6: My heart is in Massachusetts, but my body has been
Speaker 6: here in Texas for the last eighteen years.
Speaker 8: Real quickly, real quickly. I saw something go across. I
Speaker 8: can't read everything, but I did see a free whitey. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm going I'm going on on that day. I was
Speaker 8: there that night and nothing happened.
Speaker 1: M hm, yeah that was for That was for Dinah
Speaker 1: because she's one of the standout warriors. That's Dina, right, yes.
Speaker 6: It is then the Dina.
Speaker 4: Yes, I saw her this morning.
Speaker 1: Oh, micro Dotson was oppressed with Grace to not check
Speaker 1: out the.
Speaker 8: High Richie Richie.
Speaker 6: I love his work. He's so skilled with technology. I'm
Speaker 6: over here with the Fisher Price toys like line. That
Speaker 6: was me.
Speaker 8: I used to send my stuff to him. I used
Speaker 8: to send my stuff to him before I posted. I'd
Speaker 8: be like, what do you think is this good enough
Speaker 8: to post? And he's like go ahead. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 8: thank you me awesome.
Speaker 1: Let me ask a question to Dennis because Dennis is
Speaker 1: in the chat. Dennis, are you ready for the Canton
Speaker 1: round table, we're talking about you, We're talking about your
Speaker 1: wife John Tom Scott. Let's get a bunch of legend
Speaker 1: film there.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, we need some legends.
Speaker 1: But Dennis today said Dennis referred to Grace as the
Speaker 1: female micro dots.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, thank you Dennis.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
Speaker 8: What we're going to say, well, I mean I need
Speaker 8: you for this one because because you you do know
Speaker 8: the truth behind this. Can we clear up just for
Speaker 8: all the haters. When I was hyping the original show
Speaker 8: that you were going to have me on, is it
Speaker 8: true that I really didn't have anything? We were going
Speaker 8: to make it up? And basically my my Twitter posts
Speaker 8: were really just trying to hype the show. I didn't
Speaker 8: I wasn't dropping any names. I had no.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 1: I said that it was you had a gag that
Speaker 1: you were going to do, and I was actually a
Speaker 1: part of the gag.
Speaker 8: I had so many people they were they thought they
Speaker 8: were like, oh, no, you were gonna I'm like, now
Speaker 8: I had nothing yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: No, man, that was no. Yes, So please everybody, just yeah,
Speaker 1: uh calling all beings. I sent information to you. I
Speaker 1: found you if you would give it to Grace. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I believe that's about Chloe the dog. So I
Speaker 1: will do that hopefully. Nurse Kim has a great photo
Speaker 1: where she's at the beach and Chloe's on the beach
Speaker 1: towel next to her, and Chloe has sunglasses on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, because I do feel bad for Chloe.
Speaker 5: John DJ doesn't prepp like he wings it, and that's
Speaker 5: why this work, and that's why all of this makes sense.
Speaker 4: He is not into this whole prepping.
Speaker 5: I used to sit here literally and write things down
Speaker 5: on a piece of paper that I was going to
Speaker 5: bring up because.
Speaker 4: But DJ is like, no, we're just doing this, man,
Speaker 4: We're just doing this.
Speaker 8: That's what it was. Why you won't even have me on?
Speaker 8: He goes, oh, we'll come up with something. I'm like,
Speaker 8: what do we go? And he's the one that came
Speaker 8: up with the sexiest man thing, not maybe that that
Speaker 8: was all. I'm like, I got to come up with something,
Speaker 8: and I was just gonna have a gag. But I
Speaker 8: was just I was just throwing it out there and
Speaker 8: then I you know, then other stuff kind of happened
Speaker 8: and it made it. It made it look it was
Speaker 8: look at today, you know what this background is?
Speaker 1: Oh boy, oh we are not talking about that unless John. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am so blessed. I talked about my blessings last night.
Speaker 1: So look, so some of these blessings are like you know,
Speaker 1: John and Dennis and Tommy and you know be Ah
Speaker 1: and Scott right and all these folks that are willing
Speaker 1: to talk to me and explain to me what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on because I wouldn't know from afar.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much John for your friendship. I
Speaker 1: know I tell you that on the phone, but I
Speaker 1: want to say it in front of everybody, and I
Speaker 1: really really do appreciate you. And we always have all
Speaker 1: kinds of fun man when we even if he's like
Speaker 1: really upset about something.
Speaker 8: Like yeah, no I was. I was for those couple
Speaker 8: of days.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I got to bring to the community
Speaker 1: because like you're talking about, like all the research you
Speaker 1: guys do, it's like, what am I doing. I'm not
Speaker 1: doing ship together.
Speaker 4: You're the peacemaker.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, like Avengers assemble? Right? Did you?
Speaker 8: Did you see the other one that I can't believe
Speaker 8: I missed this. Somebody had made the made the comment
Speaker 8: and I went back and found it. Jen was on
Speaker 8: the phone with Brian at the same time. They were
Speaker 8: all in the house together when the when uh Yuri
Speaker 8: and Procter were interviewing them individually. Why is she so
Speaker 8: according to them, each person was in the dining room
Speaker 8: while the other two were in the bedroom upstairs when
Speaker 8: each one got interviewed. But if you go to Jen's
Speaker 8: phone records, she was so it it lents you to
Speaker 8: believe when she was getting interviewed. Did she have her
Speaker 8: phone on so Brian could listen to what the interview was,
Speaker 8: because that's when her phone when when they were interviewing
Speaker 8: in the house.
Speaker 6: Point she was using it like a walkie talkie almost exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So if you look at her phone records, and
Speaker 8: then you go back to the testimony and you and
Speaker 8: you look at when the state police went to interview
Speaker 8: them at her house, she was on the phone with Brian.
Speaker 8: Why are you on the phone with somebody when they're
Speaker 8: in the same house as you?
Speaker 1: That was your tweet, that's right, Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, man, I did that video.
Speaker 6: It is amazing, man, fueasy though to think about that
Speaker 6: level of malice, like justugh.
Speaker 1: That's what said, she makes me. I so somebody in
Speaker 1: the chat earlier, I don't know if it was Sasha.
Speaker 1: But someone was saying they watched, you know, just rewatch
Speaker 1: and no, I think it was Actually it was from
Speaker 1: our friend from Christine from Manchester in England. She said,
Speaker 1: I just rewatched all the Jen McCabe testimony and I
Speaker 1: can't I physically can't do it because she makes me
Speaker 1: so sick. She makes me like want to puke because
Speaker 1: she's such a liar and there's something so vile about
Speaker 1: show me.
Speaker 8: Can you show me?
Speaker 4: Ye really does know her?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 8: No, well so Daniels. Yeah, they're younger, but they were
Speaker 8: like four houses away from my last house. That was
Speaker 8: before I moved out of town. They lived on the
Speaker 8: same street. But I'm the same We all graduated together.
Speaker 8: It was Lank, Chris, myself, Ucky, we're all glass and ninety.
Speaker 8: That was you know it. So but those girls were younger, but.
Speaker 4: You knew them right like you got ks.
Speaker 8: Not a Kit's not as big of a town as
Speaker 8: they tried to make it.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, can you see her like is this kind
Speaker 4: of personality? Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 8: I didn't interact with them much, you know, it would
Speaker 8: be mostly Chris Lank in the past, Lucky, I lived
Speaker 8: right near the DPW, so i'd see Lucky the most
Speaker 8: or is Yeah. Yeah, but you know, like I said,
Speaker 8: it's Kin's not a big town. It really isn't you know.
Speaker 1: All Right, it's about time to shut it down for tonight.
Speaker 1: We've gone two hours and fourteen minutes, so we've I'm
Speaker 1: sure that by now Grace has to take a biological break.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Can I finish my sentence? Can anybody? I want to
Speaker 1: see something fun.
Speaker 4: We don't want to stop.
Speaker 1: I don't want I know totally. I just want to
Speaker 1: let John know we will see you because I don't
Speaker 1: know if you not, but we will see you on
Speaker 1: the twelfth for Breakfast launch something like that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: we will. Okay, so I'll see you that day along
Speaker 1: with some of the other legends and boy, Grace, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, ma'am, I mean what you're doing today.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Everyone loves your work. Everyone loves me.
Speaker 5: It was even brought up and you know it's some
Speaker 5: YouTube shows like it's definitely your it's getting out there.
Speaker 5: I really think you're doing an amazing job, even if.
Speaker 4: It's a little you know, hot wheels cars, what you're doing,
Speaker 4: it's awesome. And we so appreciate you know, your point.
Speaker 8: Of view when you're in bed, because you're so soothing.
Speaker 1: Just fall off.
Speaker 6: That's the goal, that's the goal. You know. We need
Speaker 6: we need legal content that isn't so overstimulating that like,
Speaker 6: because there are so many times like when I listen
Speaker 6: to Emily D. Baker and then she gets out the
Speaker 6: screaming goat and I'm like almost asleep, and then.
Speaker 8: You hear the.
Speaker 1: Well, we need it. You're a blessing. You really are.
Speaker 1: All of you are. John is a blessing. Beatrice, all
Speaker 1: of you are. And I want to say to the chat,
Speaker 1: thank you everybody tonight. You guys were just so communicative
Speaker 1: with all of us. You're incredibly generous with your donations
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, which is totally not necessary. I
Speaker 1: don't know what we have coming up. We're I'm going
Speaker 1: to be busy trying to think about what kind of
Speaker 1: show I want to do. But between the holidays and
Speaker 1: all that and then calling All Beings, will come back
Speaker 1: to do another UFO episode with Christopher Sharp, the UK
Speaker 1: journalist around mid to end of January, after I come
Speaker 1: back from visiting Canton Detum and all that neat stuff
Speaker 1: we'll we'll bring the calling all Beings Screwed back to
Speaker 1: talk about all the drone stuff that's going on with
Speaker 1: some really, really good UAP journalists, and we're definitely going
Speaker 1: to have these two back. I got to get a plan.
Speaker 1: I want John solo. I want him on the Legends roundtable,
Speaker 1: and I want him on a duet with Grace where
Speaker 1: we just go as wild with all their analysis. So
Speaker 1: John is more than just a pretty face Grace. I
Speaker 1: mean I can see that.
Speaker 8: Yes, I can tell, I can tell, all right, I'm
Speaker 8: that Thank you.
Speaker 1: Weal of Grace and Beatrice. This DJ saying peace out,
Speaker 1: one love, We'll see you down the road and as always,
Speaker 1: thank you, chat love you. We always wondering what's up
Speaker 1: around the bank. Yeah, it looks like they want to
Speaker 1: see they want to see Grace's