1 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,399 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to this week in the Atlantic Coast Conference, 2 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:24,640 the podcast for All Sportsdiscussion dot com. This is Jeff 3 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,079 and you can follow me on Twitter at talking a 4 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:34,399 c C Sports. That's at t A l k I 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,600 N A c C S p O r t S. 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Your podcast moderator is Matthew and you can follow him 7 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:48,240 on Twitter at All Sports d A c C. That's 8 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:53,359 at A L L S p O r T S 9 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:00,280 d A c C. As we wait for math you 10 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,359 and for our guests to join, we can go a 11 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:10,799 little bit into the week that was in the ACC. 12 00:01:12,519 --> 00:01:14,760 A lot going on here. We had a you know, 13 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,640 the huge upset of Georgia Tech over Clemson this past 14 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:27,599 weekend on that fifty five yard field goal by by 15 00:01:27,719 --> 00:01:31,239 Georgia Tech and and a firehouse drill with twenty seconds 16 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,959 left on the clock got that field goal off and 17 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,959 away and put in a signature win for the Yellow Jackets. 18 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:44,079 And Brent Key, let me check in on mister Matthew, 19 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:50,159 see if he's on his way, all right. We also 20 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:57,879 saw Miami taking on a rank South Florida team and yeah, 21 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,120 I'm kind of not sure how people are aren't putting 22 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:07,799 Miami into their top three after what they've done so 23 00:02:07,959 --> 00:02:11,400 far this season, you know, beating a very good Notre 24 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:14,960 Dame team, one that they led by double digits in 25 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:19,240 the fourth quarter, uh, and kind of let them back 26 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,159 into the game with some Mario Cristobaul conservative play calling 27 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,000 in the fourth quarter, but one that you know, they 28 00:02:26,039 --> 00:02:30,520 looked like the better team the majority of that game. Hey, Matthew, 29 00:02:30,599 --> 00:02:31,560 we got you on board. 30 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 2: Can you hear me? 31 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: Yes and clear? 32 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,199 Speaker 2: Okay, something that we're having. Something seems to be wrong 33 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,439 with pod being doesn't seem to be getting through with 34 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,199 the uh, with the uh, with the with with the 35 00:02:46,479 --> 00:02:49,039 with the phone tonight. But eventually you're able to get 36 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:50,639 me in here. I think that's probably a good thing. 37 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:55,960 Ah Man. It's the longest running independent acc podcast in 38 00:02:56,039 --> 00:03:00,000 the country. Welcome back, Dan. How you doing for. 39 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: We do not see Dan on the line yet, Matthew. 40 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, maybe he's having difficulty. Maybe he's having difficulty 41 00:03:10,439 --> 00:03:13,439 like me too, Jeff, because I got into my computer 42 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,919 and I think he was probably trying you know, we're 43 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,439 probably trying to get in through the phone, you know. 44 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,960 So it's just it's an a It's been very odd 45 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:25,280 the last couple of weeks. 46 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,439 Speaker 1: So let me check with Dan here. 47 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: Drop the Lincoln here? Is that the air? 48 00:03:37,319 --> 00:03:40,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me drop the Lincoln there. We were just 49 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,919 starting to go over a little bit of what happened. 50 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:48,159 Uh last week I talked talked real briefly about the 51 00:03:48,199 --> 00:03:52,240 Georgia Tech Clemson game and then kind of had a 52 00:03:52,240 --> 00:04:00,000 few words from Miami and that very impressive performance again 53 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,520 South Florida in a game they completely dominated. 54 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,479 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a good blocker there 55 00:04:07,479 --> 00:04:10,680 from NDS you right in too, right and Shamar Brown. 56 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:14,520 I told you you're gonna hear his name, Jeff this year. 57 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,199 That guy. That guy's a beast. That guy can block, 58 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,480 and he's supposed to be a runner. But they've got 59 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,319 you know there, they got quite a bit of talent 60 00:04:23,399 --> 00:04:28,920 over there. Right now. Uh, Dan is ready to go. 61 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,600 We are good to go. This is good news here. 62 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Welcome to the All Smarts Discussion ACC podcast. This is 63 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,839 the longest running independent ACC podcast in the United States, 64 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:42,600 and tonight we have a great return guest. This week 65 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,360 we have Dan Carrow who's the owner and operator of 66 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:49,120 treadmail Horse dot com. You can follow Dan on Twitter 67 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:53,000 at at treadmill Horse. That's at t r E A 68 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:58,040 D M I L H O R S E. Dan, 69 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,279 Welcome back, tell about yourself, anything you want to plug 70 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:02,959 the floor as yours. 71 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,959 Speaker 4: Dan. Hi, guys, I appreciate you having me on the 72 00:05:06,199 --> 00:05:09,240 on the podcast again. It's been it's been a while, 73 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:12,800 but always happy to be here. Yeah, a little bit 74 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,519 about myself. I'm a two thousand and four graduate of 75 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:21,519 Virginia Tech. Started the Treadmill Horse blog and Twitter account 76 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:25,079 it back in twenty thirteen, and I've been writing about 77 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Virginia Tech and the ACC since then. It's maybe a 78 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:31,600 little less fun to write about Virginia Tech these days 79 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,000 than it has been in the past, but I keep 80 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,680 it going, and I also like to mix it up 81 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,759 with ACC content because sometimes it helps me keep my sanity. 82 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,600 But yeah, like excited to be here and thank you 83 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:44,519 both for having me on. 84 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Well, we'll appreciate you. We appreciate you coming. We appreciate 85 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,160 you coming on the show. 86 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:49,399 Speaker 1: Dan. 87 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: So perhaps some some some interesting questions here to start 88 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,720 out with, but we may have an obvious answer here 89 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:03,720 for the first question. Obviously, your most disappointing ACC team 90 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,560 of the week. We think, no, we know you're gonna 91 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,759 go where you're gonna go there and who the most 92 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:10,519 impressive team is. But if you have more than a 93 00:06:10,519 --> 00:06:13,360 couple of answers for these questions, will take that because 94 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,720 we are an overall ACC blod, so I'm not gonna. 95 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: Start with the obvious answer, which I'll get to in 96 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:26,120 a second. Honestly, my most disappointing was actually Pitt, and 97 00:06:26,199 --> 00:06:28,839 it's mostly because we already knew Virginia Tech was pretty 98 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:33,879 bad going into this game, so the disappointments maybe lessened 99 00:06:33,879 --> 00:06:38,240 a bit just because high expectations weren't exactly there. But 100 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:42,680 Pitt had has a really good team. They had the 101 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,879 opportunity to go into Morgantown and pull out a big 102 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,680 win and a rivalry game. It's also one that I 103 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,759 thought the ACC needed to have just because West Virginia 104 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,480 is on year one of a new head coach or 105 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,240 a head coach they brought back to Morgantown. I just 106 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,759 felt like that was one that Pitt was in really 107 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:06,240 good position to win, especially a rivalry game on the road. 108 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,720 I thought it was pretty disappointing that they couldn't pull 109 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,399 that one out, especially with the fact that they had 110 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,120 that game pretty well in control toward the end of 111 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,639 the fourth quarter, but they kept leaving the door open 112 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,680 for West Virginia to come back into it, So I 113 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,000 thought that was disappointing. But yeah, just to talk about 114 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,959 Virginia Tech a little bit, I think they definitely had 115 00:07:27,959 --> 00:07:30,199 some issues in the first two games in the season 116 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,279 and fell apart a little bit in the fourth quarter 117 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:38,079 against Vanderbilt. So I don't know that expectations were necessarily 118 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,199 high going into this week, but I don't think there 119 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:42,800 was a lot of people out there, at least not 120 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:46,639 that I saw they were seriously and realistically picking Old 121 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,879 Dominion to win. So not only to lose, but to 122 00:07:49,879 --> 00:07:53,319 get blown out pretty badly in that game, I think 123 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,079 that that is pretty disappointing, not just for Virginia Tech, 124 00:07:57,079 --> 00:07:58,399 but for the ACC as a whole. 125 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:11,319 Speaker 2: Fair enough, Dan, fair enough, Jeff, you're a friend. If 126 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,839 you're on mood, Jeff, you got to tell you have 127 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,519 you take off? I think you might be at mute. 128 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 129 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask a follow up there to Dan there, 130 00:08:18,399 --> 00:08:21,480 who did you have as the you know, ACC teams 131 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,680 that were the most impressive this past week. 132 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 4: Honestly, it's I gotta go, well, I've got two. But 133 00:08:27,079 --> 00:08:29,639 I think Georgia Tech has to be the most impressive 134 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:32,799 for a couple of reasons. I went into this game 135 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,639 thinking Georgia Tech would win straight up, just because in 136 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,080 the first couple of weeks of the season, I actually 137 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,080 have been more impressed with Georgia Tech than I have Clemson. 138 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:44,159 So I don't know that i'd call it a huge surprise, 139 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,399 but it was good to see them break through. We 140 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:51,480 knew that the Haines King and Jabal Haynes combination was 141 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,600 was gonna be tough like all throughout the year, but 142 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,720 it was really great to see them to break see 143 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,360 them break through against Clemson. I feel like have all 144 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:03,480 the pieces this year, but to go up and take 145 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:05,919 care of business, especially at home, I think it was 146 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,000 really great to see that. I also think that Miami 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:10,960 did a great job and that was an impressive win. 148 00:09:11,759 --> 00:09:14,440 I think USF maybe got a little bit more hype 149 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:16,519 than they deserve. Maybe they didn't have the talent to 150 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,240 back up all that hype, and Florida is a team 151 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:21,279 that's struggling a little bit, So I don't know that 152 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,200 that win is necessarily as big as ever Road's making 153 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,240 it out to be, but it's good to see that 154 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:29,600 it was a big game Miami at home, and they 155 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,120 took care of business. So I think if you're looking 156 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:34,440 across the entire ACC, I think those are the two 157 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:37,399 teams that they really made a statement this weekend. 158 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, those are those were really really good choices, you know, 159 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:51,080 especially you know, Miami living up to its it's billing 160 00:09:51,159 --> 00:09:55,679 and looking every bit of a team that you know 161 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,919 can contend for a national title. I mean they look 162 00:09:59,039 --> 00:10:02,720 really I mean I felt like watching that game, they 163 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,879 really just they toyed with a good South Florida team. 164 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:09,960 I mean, we know South Florida blew out Boise State, 165 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:13,600 you know, then they beat maybe an overrated Florida team, 166 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,759 but still going into the swamp, you know, that's saying something. 167 00:10:16,799 --> 00:10:23,080 It's not like Florida is terrible. And I really felt 168 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:28,200 like if Miami wanted to go out one hundred percent, 169 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,360 it would have been sixty to twelve. I felt like 170 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,799 they kind of held back, to be honest, especially in 171 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,159 the second half, got a little sloppy with things. Miami 172 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,279 is really really good. And shout out to Matthew who 173 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,440 correctly picked that Miami and Florida would be game Day, 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,399 which I thought might not happen, especially with Florida kind 175 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,720 of reeling, so rare opportunity for an ACC team in 176 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:56,320 the middle of the season to have game day, they 177 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,799 have to have an SEC opponent. Still I'm waiting for 178 00:10:59,039 --> 00:11:02,799 that ACC on ACC matchup and even on prime time, 179 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,000 but that it's still going to be a showcase for 180 00:11:06,159 --> 00:11:10,919 my for Miami. And and of course you know Georgia 181 00:11:10,919 --> 00:11:14,799 Tech coming through and then that signature victory over them, 182 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,679 and you know that that's a game where I mean, 183 00:11:18,159 --> 00:11:21,080 you all know me, I'm a big Clemson fan, but 184 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,320 what on that day plays. I mean, I was thrilled 185 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,960 to see Georgia Tech when you know when they play 186 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,440 each other, I'm rooting for Georgia Tech the rest of 187 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,159 the household and and other family members. Clemson. Uh, finally 188 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,120 I get a little bragging rights after nine years. But 189 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,399 also one other team I want to mention is cal 190 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,919 who you know, they had that ten thirty start against Minnesota, 191 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:47,200 and just like you said, Dan, you know about you know, 192 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,559 pitting let Pitt getting away West, letting West Virginia get 193 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,200 away with that with that game and kind of collapsing 194 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,399 down to stretch in that game. Cal is a team 195 00:11:58,759 --> 00:12:00,600 that I think you have to keep deep an eye 196 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,799 on the rest of the season, and I really wanted to. 197 00:12:05,039 --> 00:12:07,440 I knew that they had something going on at quarterback, 198 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:10,159 and I'm gonna pronounce. I'm gonna try his name once 199 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,200 for the rest of the season. I'm just gonna call him, 200 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:17,639 uh JKS. But I got it here in front of me. 201 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:28,360 Jeron Kiawi Saga, Pope lou Telly, that's Jks the rest 202 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,720 of the year. This this kid has got an arm. 203 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,360 Highly recruited to go to Oregon, but chose Cal. And 204 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:40,320 you know, they were playing a pretty good Minnesota team, 205 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:43,720 you know, a physical Minnesota team. That's that you know, 206 00:12:43,759 --> 00:12:46,159 there's is most likely, you know, maybe not be in 207 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,240 the category of the best teams in the Big Ten, 208 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,639 but could be an upper echelon team, and they physically 209 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:58,519 matched up with Minnesota. It was a tight game in 210 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,559 the second half. And we've seen a bunch of ACC 211 00:13:00,759 --> 00:13:03,080 teams just kind of collapse in close games out of 212 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,679 conference down to the stretch, but Cal did not. And 213 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,200 they are three to zero, and I was really impressed 214 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,320 that they were, you know, one of the few ACC 215 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,320 teams to have an opportunity at a conference and and 216 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,120 come away with a victory, and then you look at 217 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,679 their schedule and if they take care of business, I 218 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,279 mean they could be a factor in the ACC race. 219 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,960 So you know, late night finish for cal but definitely 220 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:32,120 one of the teams I think we wanted to note. So, Dan, 221 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:37,240 let's look ahead to Week four. What ACC football game 222 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,320 or games are you looking forward to to most in 223 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:39,919 week four? 224 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: You already mentioned Dad, it's that Florida at Miami game. 225 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,320 I think it's going to be a classic. I love 226 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,480 the game days there. Like you said, I feel like 227 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:53,000 the ACC gets game day maybe once a year, so 228 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,679 I think it's noteworthy whenever in ACC gets ACC team 229 00:13:56,759 --> 00:13:59,559 gets game day at home. I think we need to 230 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:05,399 point out out you didn't nail that. Like I, I 231 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,480 honestly didn't think it was gonna happen. So I'm actually 232 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,080 surprised that they're going down to Miami. But the ACC 233 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,200 badly needs Miami to win this game. Billy Napier's on 234 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:18,639 the ropes. He's playing for his job, like he might 235 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:21,559 meet the same fad as Brent Prye this week if 236 00:14:21,559 --> 00:14:24,480 it doesn't go well for him. I just think it's 237 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,240 great theater. I think Miami wants to have bragging rights 238 00:14:28,279 --> 00:14:31,039 within the state. I think that that's something they've been 239 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,879 looking to establish there for a while, or at least 240 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,519 a lockdown for a while. And you've got Billy Napier 241 00:14:37,679 --> 00:14:41,279 like coaching for his job, So I think that one's 242 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:45,639 gonna be entertaining either way. I feel like Florida is 243 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:47,360 in a rough spot right now, so I think it's 244 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,840 gonna be tough for them to come in and beat 245 00:14:49,879 --> 00:14:52,720 Miami at home, but we'll see. I think it's gonna 246 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:53,639 be interesting either. 247 00:14:53,440 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: Way, all right, Dan, which ACC team could be on 248 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,799 upset alert in Week four if they are looking ahead 249 00:15:08,799 --> 00:15:11,879 to a game on their schedule or otherwise just sleepwalking 250 00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:12,639 on the field. 251 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:15,679 Speaker 4: So I think I got to go back to that 252 00:15:15,799 --> 00:15:19,759 Miami game. If Miami sleepwalks at all, I think that 253 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,720 they're gonna lose. And I don't think there's any ACC 254 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,200 versus SEC matchup at this point that the ACC can 255 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,919 really feel good and comfortable about, so that one looks 256 00:15:32,879 --> 00:15:36,519 looks like the one that I would identify that Miami. 257 00:15:36,519 --> 00:15:38,639 I wouldn't go as far as to say Miami's on 258 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,000 upset alert, and I don't think that I will put 259 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,159 them on my upset alert list this week, But that's 260 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,639 one where they've got to Florida's gotta have Miami's full attention. 261 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:50,960 I think they will because it's it's a rivalry game, 262 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:54,840 but they definitely can't start out slowing that one because 263 00:15:55,279 --> 00:16:04,360 if they do, it might be trouble for them. 264 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:10,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, another ACC game that I think I want to 265 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:15,879 keep an eye on how they perform. And traditionally Syracuse 266 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:23,320 has given fits to Clemson, especially when Dino Babers was there, 267 00:16:23,399 --> 00:16:26,000 and they you know, Syracuse has got a little bit 268 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,480 of offensive punch, not very good on defense. But I mean, 269 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,600 you got to wonder where Clemson Clemson's head is at. 270 00:16:33,919 --> 00:16:35,919 You know, they were not expecting to be one and 271 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,960 two on the season, and I mean, weird things have 272 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,639 happened in that series. And if Clemson struggles out of 273 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:45,639 the gate, Syracuse puts up an early score and you 274 00:16:46,039 --> 00:16:48,840 got like a ten to seven game at the half. 275 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,519 You know, you give up a score in the second half, 276 00:16:53,559 --> 00:16:55,559 and you know, all of a sudden, Clemson's in a 277 00:16:56,559 --> 00:17:00,200 in a four quarter game with Syracuse, and you know 278 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,360 they have a really poor record against P four teams 279 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:06,160 going back to last season. I think it's something like 280 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,359 one in six or one in seven, and you know, 281 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:16,559 I don't I'm definitely not feeling confident enough to call 282 00:17:16,599 --> 00:17:20,200 this an outright upset, but it's one that if Clemson's 283 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:23,000 head is not in the right space, it could be 284 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,920 far closer than the seventeen and a half point spread. 285 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,680 And I don't think that. I don't think that's a 286 00:17:28,759 --> 00:17:32,119 game that Clemson wants to go four quarters. But sometimes 287 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,000 you know they say close games or like character building, 288 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:39,640 and if you win. I mean, if I'm Clemson, I 289 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,119 want to go in there and I want to throttle 290 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,279 Syracuse and start playing like a lot of people feel 291 00:17:44,279 --> 00:17:46,640 like they're capable of because if they if they struggle, 292 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,720 and that game with Syracuse, you know, they got a 293 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:54,680 lot tougher games coming up later in the season, Florida State, 294 00:17:55,839 --> 00:17:58,960 Louisville on the road, South Carolina. Even though they lost 295 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,839 to van they got bump by Vanderbilt this past weekend, 296 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:05,119 but you know, Leonora Sellers also got hurt in that game. 297 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,480 So uh, you know, really want to see something something 298 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:12,000 out of Clemson this this week in a game that 299 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,480 you know they need, they need to be right or 300 00:18:14,519 --> 00:18:17,279 it's gonna it's gonna be much tougher than they expect. 301 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:21,039 Speaker 4: I think I've talked about this on the podcast before. 302 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:25,160 I always look at that those noon starts, I call 303 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,960 them the sleepy noon starts, where the team at home 304 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,640 sometimes doesn't come out as fired up as you would hope, 305 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,079 especially against a team like Syracuse where Clemson, like you said, 306 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,039 is a seventeen and a half point favorite. Uh, those 307 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,960 sleepy starts sometimes get you. And if Clemson isn't ready 308 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,960 to play from from the jump, they could have trouble. 309 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,640 So yeah, I mean, I still think Clepson will take 310 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,920 care of business in that game, but that's that's definitely 311 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,720 one to watch out for. 312 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, really good point there, Dan. Uh. Let's let's step 313 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:03,160 out of the acc for bit here. Which national FBS 314 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,519 games are you looking forward to the most in Week four? 315 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,200 And we're wide open this question with this question. This 316 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,960 can be a Power five, you know, non Power well, no, 317 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,599 now we got Power four. This could be a P 318 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,559 four game, non P four. You can even have an 319 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,799 FCS matchup. Give us a winner of those games that 320 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:25,519 you're looking. 321 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:29,079 Speaker 4: At, I mean the ones. The one that I'm most 322 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,359 excited about is that Miami, like that Florida Miami game, 323 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,519 because I think that that has the funnest game of 324 00:19:34,559 --> 00:19:37,839 the weekend written all over it. But there's a couple 325 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:39,960 of good games on the slate this week. I don't 326 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,519 think it's as good as last week because last week 327 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,799 we had basically a full day of fun games going 328 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:49,920 all the way till two am Eastern time of good football. 329 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,759 But I'm keeping an eye out for Texas Tech at Utah. 330 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,960 That's another noon game on Fox. That one should be fun. 331 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,200 That one should be a close game. I got to 332 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,599 go with Utah at home on the at for that one, 333 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,279 but that one looks like it should be interesting. Auburn 334 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:13,720 at Oklahoma another ranked team matchup. Again, I'm looking at 335 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:16,440 that one. Probably take the home team, probably Oklahoma at home. 336 00:20:16,519 --> 00:20:20,319 That Oklahoma at home, that seems like, uh the safe 337 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,880 play there. And Oklahoma played pretty well on the road 338 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,720 at Temple last week, So that's one to keep an 339 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,960 eye on. And then finally, in the evening NBC game, 340 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,000 it's Illinois at Indiana, and I'm watching that game mostly 341 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:36,079 to see like which one of those teams is actually 342 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,200 for real? You know, can Illinois went on the road 343 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,519 in Indiana or is Indiana gonna gonna put up a 344 00:20:42,519 --> 00:20:45,720 good show in so we'll see those ones have entertaining 345 00:20:45,759 --> 00:20:48,640 games written all over it, and I think that takes 346 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,000 you through the game through the day. That's a noon game, 347 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,240 a three thirty game, and a night game. So if 348 00:20:54,279 --> 00:20:56,119 you're if you're looking for a couple of good matchups 349 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,000 to watch this week, and I think you got to 350 00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:02,759 go with those three. 351 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: All right, all right, Dan Matthew, I'm gonna turn it 352 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,559 over to you now for the last couple segments in 353 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:11,359 this podcast. 354 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jeff so Dan. I mean, this is kind 355 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,920 of a new thing we started last year where we 356 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,039 have two open microphone segments. In the first one, we 357 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,960 have only for our guest, right for so you get 358 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:27,119 you you know, you get your own your own solo 359 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,200 open microphone. And then the second session is an open 360 00:21:31,519 --> 00:21:37,839 microphone for everybody. So here's your solo microphone opportunity, Dan, 361 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,319 anything that you want to talk about, and I have 362 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,680 a pretty good idea what you were going to talk about. 363 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,119 We were thinking certain actions probably had to be taken, 364 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,599 and we weren't sure when they were going to be taken, 365 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,480 but some of it was certainly decisive. I guess you 366 00:21:53,559 --> 00:21:57,319 can take the floor here Dan, I'm I'm looking to hear. 367 00:21:57,319 --> 00:21:59,079 I'm looking to hear what you want to talk about. 368 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, So, since we haven't gotten to it already on 369 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,440 the podcast, and I thought that we might save this 370 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,319 one for last, I got to talk about the situation 371 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:16,559 at Virginia Tech. Yeah. I'm surprised and pleased that Virginia 372 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:20,200 Tech show that there there were a serious program today, 373 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:24,480 and by one o'clock this afternoon, Brent Pry had been fired. 374 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,799 I think that's the right move. I think that it 375 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,359 had to happen when you go zero to three to 376 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,160 start a season and you don't look particularly competitive. Like 377 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,640 the way I've described it to friends is like in 378 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,200 the fourth quarter of all three of these games, it 379 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,359 hasn't been a close game and the opposing team has 380 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,400 been winning by multiple scores. That's a really bad sign, 381 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,440 I would say. In the like the South Carolina game, 382 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,200 I saw a lot of effort and not a lot 383 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,200 of quit from the players, which was good to see. 384 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,359 But in the last two games, the second half and 385 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,000 the fourth quarter against Vanderbilt, the team seemed to give 386 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:10,519 up the rope. In yesterday's game against Old Dominion, there 387 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,119 was not at times during the game especially in the 388 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,119 second half, we didn't see a lot of effort from 389 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,319 the guys. I think that that's really concerning because it 390 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,839 just points to the fact that maybe the players have 391 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:26,319 given up on this coach. So that's definitely not something 392 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:28,200 you want to see in week three of a season. 393 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,119 And if I was the athletic director of Virginia Tech, 394 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,039 it's something that would make me very concerned. And I'm 395 00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:38,400 not sure exactly like when the decision was made. I'm 396 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,599 guessing some people had some calls late at night last night, 397 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,559 But I'm glad to see that they made the decision 398 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,480 quickly to make a change, because I think the change 399 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:51,839 was sorely needed. But in Virginia Tech, there's a lot 400 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,359 that's needed here. We need a new athletic director, and 401 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,640 I'm not exactly sure how that's going to play out 402 00:23:57,279 --> 00:23:59,559 to get a new one, especially having to switch your 403 00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:02,960 head coach coach and having to become to a decision 404 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,119 on a new head coach probably sometime early in December. 405 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,839 I think that's going to be difficult while at the 406 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,079 same time trying to bring in a new athletic director. 407 00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:13,039 And I do think a new athletic director is going 408 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:17,000 to come in. And I say that because in the 409 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,440 notice of Virginia Tech put out there saying that Brent 410 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:24,039 Prye had been relieved of his duties, it was signed 411 00:24:24,039 --> 00:24:27,759 by the university president. It was not signed by the 412 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:31,680 athletic director. And that tells me pretty clearly that the 413 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,480 athletic director right now is not the one making the decisions. 414 00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,880 It's the university president, it's the board of visitors. So 415 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,960 my guess, we've got a lot of new faces going 416 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,720 to be coming into the program here over the course 417 00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:48,720 of the next year. New athletic director, new head football coach. 418 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,559 I think we're going to see a lot of turnover 419 00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,599 in the roster. I'd imagine a new head coach brings 420 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,519 in his guys, and at this point, I'm thinking it 421 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,000 will probably be a G five head coach that's coming in. 422 00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:04,079 It probably brings a lot of his roster with him. 423 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:05,920 I think we're going to lose a lot of the 424 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,799 faces that are on the roster today by the end 425 00:25:09,839 --> 00:25:12,519 of the year. So it's just there's going to be 426 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:15,839 a whole lot of turnover in Virginia Tech football and 427 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,920 in the Virginia Tech Athletic direct department. But honestly, I 428 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,039 think it's what the school needs. I think the school 429 00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,359 needs a new identity. I think it's time to like 430 00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:29,839 really establish a new identity post Frank Beemer because we're 431 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,759 now ten years in and two had football coaches in 432 00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,559 and that identity still hasn't shown up. So I think 433 00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:39,160 that's a big concern. And on top of that, I 434 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,680 think the investment in football has to be there. I 435 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,319 think the passion for football and the interest for football 436 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,079 is definitely there at Virginia Tech, but not the full 437 00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,480 investment that you need even at the ACC level for 438 00:25:52,519 --> 00:25:55,200 football hasn't been there. So I think there's just got 439 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,559 to be a whole new plan, a bunch of new faces, 440 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,359 and I think it's we're basically starting from square one 441 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,839 at this point. All the goodwill and brand value that 442 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,839 had been built up during the Frank Beamer era is 443 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,720 not there anymore. So it starts time to start back 444 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,079 at square one and see what type of football program 445 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,000 we can build for Virginia Tech in the twenty first century, 446 00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:25,039 because everything that we had built before this is basically 447 00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:26,319 all the way gone at this point. 448 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,559 Speaker 2: One of the things that I thought was weird, Dan, 449 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,319 I'm just going to ask you a follow up here, 450 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,279 since you talked a lot there, and I've heard a 451 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,240 lot of the stuff that you've heard, But I've read 452 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:40,839 some things about how a count, a committee, a council, 453 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,119 if you will, will be the entity that selects the 454 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,079 next coach, and that with Babcock is not part of that. 455 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:55,119 And so it's that's kind of a weird way. I 456 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,240 don't want to say it's a weird way, right because 457 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,000 I think like we knew that was never going to 458 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,079 select another coach. I think we knew that, But it 459 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,680 seems weird that he's still kind of in that position 460 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:15,319 yet this council is hiring somebody that it looks like 461 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,200 he might have to work with. Obviously, we know some 462 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,599 things haven't been announced yet, right because at the end 463 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:23,839 of the day, the president is the one who hires 464 00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:27,599 the hires these people. Right. But and you're right that 465 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,160 you know he made that announce he made that announcement 466 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,039 and things like that, But it just seems I don't know, 467 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:35,079 if you know, does my question make sense? It just 468 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,319 seems a little bit odd to me. 469 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 4: I think it's bizarre. It's not the way you want 470 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,839 to go into a search because you're not going to 471 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,160 make any bold moves by making a choice by committee. 472 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,759 I think all of us have been part of choices 473 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,640 by committee, and it's you always end up with a 474 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,920 compromised choice, not necessarily the choice that you feel like 475 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,440 in your gut is the right one. Sometimes you've got 476 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,759 to compromise to get everyone to reach a decision. I 477 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:06,160 think with Babcock having input is weird too, because I'm 478 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,440 sure he even feels that he's on the way out, 479 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,839 so you don't know what kind of input you're gonna 480 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,160 get from him. And I'm I'm not suggesting he's going 481 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640 to sabotage the process, but who knows where his mind's 482 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,960 at in terms of like selecting a new football coach. 483 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,960 Here the whole thing seems weird to me. It's not 484 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:24,559 the way that I would approach a search, But at 485 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,359 this point, I think the whole thing is so messed 486 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,960 up that they're just trying to find a way to 487 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,880 get through it. And at this point, I mean, like, 488 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,839 you're not gonna let wit make that decision. We don't 489 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,799 have a new athletic director and at this point we 490 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:43,599 don't have any other choice than basically a selection committee 491 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,960 to come up with a new head coach. I mean 492 00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,240 it's I don't love it, but it doesn't mean that 493 00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,079 it won't work. It's just not an ideal scenario for 494 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:53,920 picking a new head coach. 495 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 2: I agree with all that I mean and do, and like, 496 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,200 I'll just ask a follow up here. Do we know 497 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,240 for sure that he's going to have that bad cops 498 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,839 gonna have in put? Or is he just sitting on 499 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:10,640 the side, Well, the committee makes that recommendation to the president, 500 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,720 because that part wasn't exactly clear to me. 501 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,559 Speaker 4: It's not clear to me either, But I'm speculating that 502 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,279 he'll have input and a member. 503 00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 2: Of that Oh, I don't think so. I don't think so, Dan, 504 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,960 you get two chances, that's it, that's all. 505 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 4: They wouldn't be you would in the room. 506 00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:37,359 Speaker 2: These are no I he's he's pat. He's pat. He 507 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,720 may had the envelope for something to to to the president, 508 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:45,920 but I don't believe that he has a third shot. 509 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,720 Nobody gets a third shot. I have not seen anybody 510 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:51,680 get a third shot as an eighty I or a 511 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:57,119 football coach. Dan ever, you know, I mean, I just don't. 512 00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:59,960 I don't see it happening. Maybe maybe I have a 513 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,720 maybe I've maybe I'm exaggerating, but I I I think, 514 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:09,279 I think I think that he's I think it's kind 515 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,960 of like you said, like they're trying to figure out 516 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240 what to do with him and what the best way 517 00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:16,720 it is to announce what's going to happen with him 518 00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,559 and all that stuff. And you know, you probably have 519 00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,640 a situation where people are, you know, where you have, 520 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,640 you know, certain limitations for buyouts and all that stuff, 521 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440 and if you buy somebody out later in the year, 522 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,319 costs less or whatever. But I don't I don't believe, 523 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,759 I mean, I don't believe that Virginia Tech would give 524 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:38,759 him a third involvement in any third selection process if it 525 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:39,759 makes sense what I'm saying. 526 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,240 Speaker 4: So, what you're saying is he'll have input, but not 527 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,200 beyond the committee that makes a decision. 528 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,359 Speaker 2: I'm not even sure that he'll have If he has 529 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,519 any input, it'll be like where are you going? Where 530 00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,880 I might where am I delivering the committee's advice? 531 00:30:56,279 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 4: Got it? 532 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,359 Speaker 2: I kind of got the sense that he wasn't really 533 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:04,000 going to have any input into that, and that he 534 00:31:04,119 --> 00:31:06,240 was not part of that committee, you know what I 535 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:09,119 mean making the you know, because it's not I get 536 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,759 the sense that he's not going to have any any 537 00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:15,400 any selection advice this time, this time, this time around 538 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,480 on the football coach, because of the last two of 539 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:20,839 the last two times, right, I mean, we've we've talked 540 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:26,160 about this before. But you know, the first hire, I thought, 541 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,480 you know, the I thought, you know, the media generally, 542 00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:32,079 and the and his peers, his athletic director peers, his 543 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,920 coaching you know, the coaching peers thought Fante was a good, 544 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,440 good choice. Hell I even I did. It just didn't 545 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,920 work out. But the second time around, that's when that's when, 546 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:45,119 that's when that's when you get you know, more of 547 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,680 your your choices and stuff like dad exam and stuff 548 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,359 like that. And that clearly did not that clearly did 549 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,680 not go well. If you saw our our buddy right 550 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680 from the Tech from the Tech Lunch, for the Tech 551 00:31:57,759 --> 00:32:00,759 Lunch pail, Tim Thomas, he wrote this article. I thought 552 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,319 it was just an amazing summary of the of the 553 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:09,319 Brent print prior era. And yeah, I recommend that everybody 554 00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,319 go out there and read that. But I my sense 555 00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:14,079 here Dan and Jeff is that we're in a position 556 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,119 where that Virginia Tech is an efficient position in the 557 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:22,720 eighties pretty much not any in an advice and consen 558 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,640 sort of format format. It sounds weird for me to 559 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000 say that, but that's kind of where he's at in 560 00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,440 terms of the selection process with the football I don't 561 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:32,759 I just don't think it's happening. 562 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: I mean, one thing I think is pretty clear at 563 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,200 this point is by next academic year, we're gonna have 564 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,880 a new athletic director. So it seems very clear to 565 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,160 me the regardless of what happens with hiring a new 566 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,720 football coach this year, there's going to be somebody else 567 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:58,839 in leadership for the athletic department starting next July when 568 00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:02,359 that person gets hired. When that person gets announced, I'm 569 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,839 not sure, but I'm pretty confident that's gonna happen. 570 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,799 Speaker 2: I would I would hope that something like that would happen. 571 00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,039 I guess my sense is that, like generally Dan, Dan 572 00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:14,880 and Jeff and I know you've seen this. I mean, like, 573 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,759 if you hire an AD, I would really want that 574 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,279 person to be the person who's going to hire the 575 00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,559 football coach. So if they have an idea who that 576 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,920 AD is going to be, and they're getting that person's input, 577 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880 that would be the the A plus sort of lane, 578 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,680 I think right. 579 00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 4: I just don't know that that they have that person 580 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:41,920 identified yet, and if they do, I hope that they're 581 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,400 having conversations behind the scenes. Yes, I'm just not sure 582 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,799 that that they're that far along at this point. 583 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:55,079 Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough Open microphone number two. I'm gonna 584 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:59,920 use this as a question Dan as a question today. 585 00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:05,759 He give me two to three names. If you got more, 586 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:08,719 I'll take him. Who's on your who's on your list 587 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,639 for coaching hires at Virginia Tech today? I'm ready to 588 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:14,199 hear a name. 589 00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 4: I'll start by taking people off the list, right, Michael Vick, 590 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:24,880 I'm not ready for it. He hasn't shown enough as 591 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,760 a head coach to give a power for program too. 592 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,920 I know the fans love him and they bring a 593 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,679 lot of excitement, and you might get that Dion Sanders effect. 594 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,000 I just don't think that that would be a pick 595 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:41,639 that would work out. Next name I want to take 596 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:44,960 off the list is Shane Biemer. A. I don't see 597 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,239 him voluntarily leaving an SEC program to come to Blacksburg. B. 598 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:53,639 I don't think he wants to follow on his dad's 599 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,079 footsteps here, and nor do you do I feel like 600 00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:58,880 he has a strong desire to clean up the mess 601 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,519 that is Virginia Tech. So you can take both of 602 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:06,199 those names off your list right now. Who I would 603 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,119 want is like a really strong group of five head coach. 604 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,679 You got Bob Chazz and the up at JMU, that'd 605 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:17,639 be a strong choice. I think Todd Mounkin, the Army 606 00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,480 head coach, that would be a strong choice. I think 607 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,000 there's a lot of really strong group of five head 608 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000 coaches that that have head coaching experience and have shown 609 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,639 good results at the group of five level that could 610 00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,519 come in and do a good job at Virginia Tech. 611 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,880 I honestly like I know that we've we've done a 612 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:39,320 couple post mortems here with the fans on head coaches. 613 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,760 I don't think the selection of Justin Flente was necessarily 614 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,079 a bad selection. I think he had head coaching experience, 615 00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,960 he did a good job at Memphis. I just think 616 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000 he didn't have the personality to make it work out 617 00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:55,039 at Virginia Tech. And also there were some football program 618 00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:59,159 issues that maybe caused him to struggle too. But I 619 00:35:59,159 --> 00:36:01,079 don't think that was necessary a bad selection. It just 620 00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:04,719 didn't work out. The Brett Price selection there's a lot 621 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,480 of questions that can be asked as to why he 622 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,440 got chosen, and I don't think that's me Monday morning 623 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,840 quarterbacking it. Even at the time, even back in December 624 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,480 twenty twenty one, I had a lot of questions as 625 00:36:15,519 --> 00:36:18,760 to why that was the guy, and those questions never 626 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,119 really got answered. So yeah, I mean, but like what 627 00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:25,360 I would be looking for is like real head coaching experience, 628 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,880 proven track record at the group of five level. I 629 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,280 think there's a lot of coaches that could check the 630 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,760 boxes there, people who feel like they're solid recruiters. A 631 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,760 bonus would be people who have recruited this region of 632 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,599 the country, like in the mid Atlantic region, like the 633 00:36:44,639 --> 00:36:49,239 North Carolina South Carolina region. I think that's exactly what 634 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,599 you'd be looking for, and I think there's a lot 635 00:36:51,639 --> 00:36:53,239 of names out there that would check a lot of 636 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,760 boxes in that criteria. 637 00:36:56,119 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 2: What about Alex's goal ish from the University of South Florida. 638 00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:05,320 Speaker 4: I mean, he's an early name that has produced really good, 639 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,760 strong results this season. I mean, he seems pretty innovative. 640 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,000 I've seen some nice play calls from him in the 641 00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,159 first couple of weeks this year. But I'd like to 642 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,119 see how the rest of the season plays out, just 643 00:37:17,159 --> 00:37:20,320 because sometimes we've got a hot name in September and 644 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,800 their teams fall off. But yeah, if USF has a 645 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,199 really strong season, I think that's one that you'd want 646 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,239 to have on your radar. 647 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: I'd certainly have him on my radar only because here's 648 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920 my here's my thing, and you're right, he should. He 649 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,320 needs to keep winning. I think he will. He seems 650 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,519 like he's said, he seems like he's got that git factor. 651 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:42,559 But you gotta see the whole the whole season fall wrong. 652 00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:47,760 But Dan, he recruited to Ames, Iowa, right, and that's 653 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,840 a hard place to recruit to, right, and bringing in 654 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,639 talent to and you know, and recruit but recur. I 655 00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:57,199 guess what I'm saying is recruiting in rural environments, winning 656 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,719 rural environments, and that's that kind of thing. He might 657 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,480 be a good fit. He might be a good fit 658 00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:05,719 in Blacksburg, you know. So I keep that. I just 659 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,760 keep that. I mean, I love the names you mentioned 660 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,800 so far, but I would certainly keep that one on 661 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,920 my back radar because I think I feel I feel 662 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,079 like he's I feel like he's just got that in factor. 663 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,599 If that makes sense what I'm saying. But we'll see, 664 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,360 you know, I think he go ahead, sir. 665 00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 4: I would just say, though, with coaches like that, with 666 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,719 coaches that are off to a strong start this year, 667 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,039 just watch what they do throughout the season. Just don't 668 00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:33,440 fall in love with with results that you see in 669 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,840 the first couple of weeks, because sometimes it's school's goal. 670 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,159 But yeah, I mean, like, I like what I've seen 671 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:43,320 from him. The fact that he lost in a big 672 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,280 game against Miami, Like Miami's really good this year. I 673 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,320 don't think that that's necessarily a negative. But I would 674 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,320 definitely see how they performed the rest of the year. 675 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,159 But if I if I was on that committee, he's 676 00:38:54,159 --> 00:38:56,800 a name that it would be early on my radar 677 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,760 for guys to look at. 678 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:05,760 Speaker 2: Definitely definitely, Jeff Friend, you're up. You get to crow. Jeff, 679 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,280 you get to crow. I'm ready to hear it. You 680 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,199 get to be happy. 681 00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,039 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was. It was a good day. If 682 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:21,840 you're a Georgia Tech fan, you know one thing, and 683 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,800 then watching you know, as that outsider on what's going 684 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,159 on in Virginia Tech, I mean, it reminds me of 685 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:34,480 so much, especially you know, the the end of the 686 00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:40,360 Jeff Jeff Collins era. You know, I saw the comment 687 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,280 that Brent Pyr made yesterday about what what did he say, like, 688 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,760 I see our team making strides or something like that, 689 00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,679 something to that effect, and you know, it kind. 690 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,440 Speaker 2: Of reminded me of strid is a program. 691 00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it reminded me of you know, some of the 692 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,320 delusional things Collins would put out in statements at the 693 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,800 end of his tenure. And you know, there there was 694 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:13,960 a certain point during the lowest points of that tenure. 695 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,199 I think he finished the year with Notre Dame in 696 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,199 Georgia one year and was outscored one hundred to zero. 697 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,159 And there was a point yesterday, you know, after giving 698 00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:28,440 up thirty four straight to Vanderbilt in the second half 699 00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,800 and then we're down like twenty eight to zero whatever 700 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,400 it was to old dominion that it was some kind 701 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,679 of you know, fifty three to zero streaked and you know, 702 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:43,320 you just know when it's time, when the coach has 703 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:47,079 like lost his team and his players, and to know, 704 00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:50,480 these turnarounds can be pretty fast with the right hire, 705 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,199 I mean, as soon as it's key, and of course 706 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,800 you don't always expect it, but you know, Georgia Tech 707 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,920 is now ranked in both poles for the first time 708 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,199 in a in a decade. I think they got ranked 709 00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:07,840 in one poll last year. Coming off the victory yesterday, 710 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,400 it can turn around fast, and I think it can 711 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,119 turn around relatively fast at a place like Virginia Tech 712 00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:19,719 if the right, if the right higher is made. A 713 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920 couple of other things. I want to look at the 714 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,320 schedule next week. It's got a bunch of intriguing games, 715 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,760 and I wish we could get into each each one 716 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,440 of them. But looking ahead to next week as well, 717 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,840 you got SMU playing at TCU. SMU took that that 718 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,760 double over, that overtime loss to Baylor where they led 719 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,559 by fourteen with five minutes left in the game, and 720 00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:44,920 this is a chance that we're kind of a you know, 721 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,760 put their put their season kind of back on track. 722 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,760 Speaker 2: Yea to Jeff. Yeah that oh my god. They're ran 723 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,480 like five blocks from each other. They hate each other. 724 00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:01,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's good. That's a fun rivalry game there, 725 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,679 and I really want to see if SMU can kind 726 00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:07,920 of right the ship against TCU, who we saw them. 727 00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:10,119 Last time we really saw them was you know, when 728 00:42:10,159 --> 00:42:14,480 they were throttling North Carolina on Labor Day also kind 729 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,320 of you know, look at North Carolina now going to 730 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,719 UCF later in that day after what happened to them, 731 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,159 and you know they've started to, you know, on paper, 732 00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,119 play a little bit better a couple of overmatched opponents, 733 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,320 and now we're I think against UCF, we're going to 734 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,320 find out if they're starting to turn the corner. Another 735 00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,480 one of those big twelve ACC matchups that you know, 736 00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:43,440 the ass you know needs these non conference results. I mean, fortunately, 737 00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:45,880 if if you're Miami in Florida State, you already have 738 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:51,960 you know, those kind of signature wins you know it 739 00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,280 needed to get into the playoff. If they take care 740 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,960 of business, you know, Miami is gonna end up having 741 00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:03,719 played Florida, South Florida and Florida, you know, and Florida 742 00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,079 State will have that. You can't take away that win 743 00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:08,679 of what they did against Alabama and finishes the year 744 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,440 with with Florida as well. But you know, from a 745 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,679 conference point of view, you know, when it comes to 746 00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,719 the rankings or if potentially maybe a third team could 747 00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,400 sneak in there, you know you're gonna need some of 748 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,480 the conference to start winning more of these P four games. 749 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,760 You know, then you go into the to the evening 750 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,599 time and you've got Stanford in Virginia, which now is 751 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:40,400 suddenly a lot more of an intriguing game than anyone 752 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,880 would have expected. Stanford knocking off Boston College. A lot 753 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,039 of people had Stanford, you know, it's one of the 754 00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,079 two or three worst P four teams in all of 755 00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:52,599 college football. But if you were watching them closely, you 756 00:43:52,639 --> 00:43:56,079 know they're not talented, and then they really struggle at quarterback. 757 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,719 But you kind of felt like, hey, you know they 758 00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,039 can micro Ford, they can on the ball a little bit. 759 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,679 You know, maybe they could spring an upset along the way. 760 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:05,800 But whoever lose to them, that's that's going to be 761 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,880 a disastrous loss. And that's what exactly happened to Boston 762 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,280 College this past weekend, going down to Stanford, who are 763 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:16,840 playing a resurgent Virginia team. You know, I think they're 764 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,320 quietly a very a very improved team. And another acc 765 00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:26,119 game that I've gotten my is n C State playing 766 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,960 at Duke. Duke's reeling here a little bit. You know, 767 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,760 they got thumped by Illinois, never were really in a 768 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,079 game with Tulane, even though it was only a one 769 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,719 score game. And NC State's been one of the you know, 770 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:44,960 under the radar ACC teams that started the year three 771 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,960 and oh, I mean they could you know they go 772 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:47,519 to Duke. 773 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,559 Speaker 2: When they come to play Notre Dame potentially. 774 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is a team to keep an eye on. 775 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,320 You know, I think right now Florida, I mean Florida State, 776 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,440 Miami and Georgia Tager kind of get in the bulk 777 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,440 of the headlines, but you know, just under the surface, 778 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,960 you know, you got cal who's playing at San Diego State. 779 00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:08,400 You know, in a game that you know they're not 780 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,880 going to sneak up on anyone. You got NC State 781 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,599 going to do. Those are two teams with good young 782 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:17,599 quarterbacks that that are flying under the radar that you know, 783 00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:19,880 in a sea of you know where the middle of 784 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,199 the ACC to the bottom is struggled. Those are two 785 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,639 teams that have kind of you know, broken out from 786 00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:27,920 the middle of the pack and been really pleasant surprises. So, 787 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,000 I mean there's a ton of games this this upcoming 788 00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,440 weekend that you know, it might not be those marquee 789 00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,800 type games other than the Miami in Florida, but a 790 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,360 lot of intrigue in this upcoming. 791 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:49,199 Speaker 2: Week definitely, definitely. Well, I'll tell you that I am 792 00:45:50,159 --> 00:45:54,760 really looking forward. I was telling Dan this before we 793 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,119 started this show. I'm looking forward to a Lot and 794 00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:02,920 Order Criminal Intent Toronto. It's gonna start on the twenty 795 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,119 fourth of September, and I'm going to be sitting by 796 00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:10,719 my TV watching that, hearing, hearing all these neighborhoods because 797 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,880 I've been to Toronto a couple of times. Now, I'll 798 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,599 be I'll be able to recognize all these neighborhoods in 799 00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,679 Toronto now when they're talking about them on talking about 800 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,199 them on the show. So I will be catching that. 801 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,400 I will be catching that. Hell, heck, I might even 802 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,320 blog about it on the site here because we have 803 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,119 pop culture on the site here too. Dan, thank you 804 00:46:30,159 --> 00:46:32,480 so much for joining us on the All Sports Discussion 805 00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:36,360 ACC podcast and spending your Sunday night with us on 806 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,079 the longest running independent ACC podcast in the country. We 807 00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:42,400 really appreciated you come on the show, and we'd love 808 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,000 to have you come on the show again sometime. 809 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:47,599 Speaker 4: Dane, I appreciate it. Always love chopping it up with 810 00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:50,159 you guys. I hope next time I have nicer things 811 00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,199 to say about Virginia Tech. But this is always a 812 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,639 good time 813 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,159 Speaker 2: All right, Take care and have a great week.