Speaker 1: Some ah, that was that was a rough I might
I might tweak that in the editing for how rough
of a transition that was.
Speaker 2: You're live on YouTube. You can hear.
Speaker 1: It's like SNL sometimes you know it's it's all live
and we just got to roll with the punches here.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we don't. The problem is difference. We don't have
Q cards. We have notes, but we don't have Q cards.
Speaker 1: No exactly, you'll never see me, you know, reading off
a screen like the Ron Burgundy question mark at Additives
or anything like that. But just all this talks of delays,
products being moved around, potentially getting room for other projects
or anything, or just making it make more sense for
where they're gonna be A lion in the MCU story,
we got some spice stuff to talk about, and that
being could this trench?
Speaker 2: I did it?
Speaker 1: I did the wrong Burgundy thing.
Speaker 2: I said the teleprompter.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1: What impact will this have on Spider Man brand new day?
Not a title? Will it move? Is this gonna give
us extra content? I probably should have read this before
I started reading out loud. No Way Home was supposed
to come out after Multiverse of Madness, but when that
got delayed, they changed stuff. And then of course the
character of America Chavez, who's kind of just been in limbo.
I was a fan of her in Multiverse of Madness.
I was kind of excited to see what they're gonna
do with that character, and she's literally just been a ghost.
I don't even like, did she pop up in what
If or anything. She wasn't Alter Ghosts by the way, So.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, different than that Confuter Bolt ghost. Yeah,
not the Avenger ghost.
Speaker 1: She's yeah, the new Avenger ghost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. H Yeah, I guess this is interesting. I've
never heard about this before. That apparently she was supposed
to be in that Spider Man movie, but then because
of a Multiverse Madness delay, it didn't really make sense,
so they just cut her from that. Now, you know,
I don't know if like they head. You know, it's
not like I don't think she had been scheduled like
be on set for these three weeks or anything like
that was just like in the scripting stage at that point,
so they could just pivot, which I think they do
a lot of in the MCU. Those those scripts are hot,
they're ready to ready to burn and ready to add pages,
change pages, cut and paste, copy paste, pan zoom, all
that kind of stuff. They're ready to just shift it up.
But yeah, so I guess you know good context here
that of course, with with Doom or that keep I
keep saying just Doom, but with Avengers dooms Day being
originally in May, and then Spider Man was supposed to
be kind of the epilogy sort of thing in the
way that we had with or with Endgame specifically, Yeah,
where it was where it was like a yeah, it
was May, and then it was far from home, was
like in the July, so it was like that three
months after two months after period. That was kind of
what we had set up here as well. Right, Doomsday
supposed to be in May and then Spider Man is
gonna follow in July. And then a lot of the
rumors that we've been hearing were that, you know, all
a lot of the uh, some certain characters like maybe
in Robert Downey as as Doom was gonna appear in
that Spider Man movie and that would be kind of
like a important thing for the story to bridge the
gap between those two movies. And so with the delay
of Doomsday, but not the delay of Spider Man, Like
what does that mean for that story? And I think
they'll just kind of pivot. You know, we have another
rumor coming up here of like another potential way the
story could go. I think they'll just pivot. I don't
I don't think Sony might not even I don't know
if Sony has a say in that kind of thing, like, no,
you gotta shoot this movie. Well we're gonna take the
character way. I don't know how all that stuff works,
but I think Spider Man prints money. I don't think
they're gonna delay. I think they're gonna make it happen.
Put on the schedule. I don't know, like I think
that I just read that's supposed to film in July,
so that would be the same, like a one year
turnaround time, which I just said is not you know,
gonna work for Avengers, and that's why they did delay there.
But maybe that movie just being simpler, less characters, what's
going on, Maybe it's a bit easier on the VFX
and you know, less people for potential reshoots and all
this sort of stuff and scheduling. So who knows, maybe
that does get kicked and they continue with that but
I think they'll probably want to keep that just because
looking at the schedule for MCU movies next year, like
that would be the only movie then Avengers in December.
So if they don't do that, then like there they would,
you know, they want to have some movie in the
middle of the year. So I think they'll still keep
Spider Man there because if not, they're just the investors
will be pissed because there'll be no money going into
their bank accounts in that in that calendar year. So
I think Spider Man will stay and we'll just see
a rework of the script here, and you know, yeah,
if they're not supposed to film until like July at
some point, that's not a long time to rewrite stuff.
But you know, they've probably had a lot of this
in the works for a while and knew this delay
was coming, probably had backup plans in that event of
that happening. So I think that the Spider Man thing
will stick to its current release date or maybe get
us like bump to August if they need a little
extra time. But I think it's I think it's stick
in even if it was originally supposed to be a
bit of a bit of a bridge movie between the
two Avengers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm right there with you in terms of
just it being where it's going to be. It is
any money printing machine Spidey. I mean, that's like one
of the other MCU films that made like a billion
dollars right in the scope of the mc with non
Avengers title. You know, there was triple the amount of
spiders in that movie. But still it is a Spidey project,
And yeah, printed the money really well there, And I
am I'll probably never find out. Well, actually that's a lie.
I feel like like lately we've been getting like the
initial script idea for this project right like and then
and then you can kind of like read what their
thoughts were or what they're planning on doing with certain
characters or like the inclusion or that thereof characters in
like the initial scope of what the movie's gonna be.
But yeah, like like what this initial thought of of
this movie like when they when they had it structured,
Like how much actually got shifted with just kind of
the overall temperature of the MCU right now, and and
what's happened around the new Avengers being the Thunderbolts or
maybe just even some previous titles, because I do feel like,
especially in Phase four stuff, like there was a lot
of projects that were coming out and it was just like,
why are we spending time on this like right now?
Like like I get it, like they announced the slate,
the Investor's Day or whatever or Disney Day, whatever it was,
and it's just like, these are the projects that are
coming out, and what it feels like a decade later,
it's like, hey, we're getting these projects now, and like
people just are very lukewarm on the MCU let alone,
these like really niche characters that we have no idea
who they are, and it's just it's like, well, like,
why are we spending time on this when it seems
like like interest or other places in the MCU Just
a random thought experiment I kind of had the other day,
but now we're talking about it kind of came to
light again. But just in terms of Spidey and how
much that like what they're going to be wanting to
include in here that is key for something like Avengers
dooms Day. And with all that being said, there there's
a seed plus t here Scooper that's supposedly said that
Mark Ruffalo is said to have a substantial role in
Spider Man Brand New Day. Of course, mock Ruffalo Mark Ruffalo,
the Great and Powerful Hulk, who as we've last seen him,
he is still smart Hulk. I don't know if that's
like the proper.
Speaker 2: True right Hulk. Wasn't he just regular guy at that point?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he wasn't green. Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, he had his bracelet right, and he could like
control it.
Speaker 1: I totally forgot about that. Yes, okay, good, good reminder there,
I'm glad to hear. So. Then, yeah, he's changed since
we've last seen him in like The Avengers or anything
like that. But yeah, if he has a substantial.
Speaker 2: The continuity of who Hulk is at different points in
the MCU has been such a mess. Obviously there was
the recast, but even just like every movie, he's had
some huge arc that we just didn't see that happen
off screen like such a you know, obviously there's a
rights issue, which is why they have him been able
to do a solo movie, I guess. But yeah, it's
pretty funly funny when you look at it in retrospect.
So many other characters have really clean arcs. His is
just like random scattershot every project. You don't know which
version you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: It's like you get the book from the library and
it's just missing like three pages and it's just like
I don't know what happened there, And now now he's
not the Hulk, I kind of want to know that
little little substance there, and who knows, maybe maybe we'd
get a little bit more context there. I feel like
in She Hulk, like, yeah, just just put it all
on the brace, that's pretty easy. But in my mind,
it just seems like a lazy way to not have
to like cee gi this character. But who knows, maybe
that's not the actual reasoning. That's a little slight jah
but yeah no, but yeah, just thinking about a character
like that who is an original Avengers, like I feel
like he could have some like very obvious ties to
the Avengers event that's gonna be happening, and like just
that we're getting the little like c plus to your
Scooper rumor for this now makes me think that wasn't
always the plan to have that character in there, and
then maybe they're just trying to scope out the plan
on on having a smooth entryway into into the Avengers,
and uh, maybe a character like that. I mean, Spidey's
also been in the Avengers, so like, maybe that theory
is just kind of nothing. But I don't know, he
just seems because he is that og Avenger. I just
I just see it being a little bit too much
of a puzzle piece linking the two there. Maybe I'm
completely off to lunch there. But who knows. A couple
of theories around the character. Oh sorry, do you want
to add anything? Do? I just said, Okay, gotta make
sure you know, don't be don't be rude or anything.
Cut you off. Some of the theories are college professor
or villain, meaning wow, that's a weird way to read
that for Mark Ruffalo's character, for Mark ruffs character of
the being a college professor or villain, what the hell
is going? Oh no, okay, Oh my gosh, I'm just finish.
I'm gonna fish the sentence theories college professor, mister negative
unlocks Savage Hulk. So of course, mister Negative, you played
PS four spider Man, great character in that game. I
I'm I'm itching to get a live action adaptation of
that character. I really want to see mister mister negative
himself on the big screens because she's just like the
CGI potential around that character. It could be really bad,
but I have faith. I feel like what they've done
lately for like the big villains, they at least look
really good, and I think that could be really enticing there.
But I mean, if he somehow activates Savage Hulk to
be back to like his og self, does that like
make Mark Ruffalo like a lot lesser of a like
a role in that movie?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Yeah. I mean, once again, just how scattershot that
character has been in the MC, It's like, yeah, sure,
why not let him do this kind of thing? Yeah,
I wonder how the portrayal would be, like what his
characterization would be, or if it's really more about really
just having that Hulk factor and be able to put
him on the poster and that being the selling point
more so than like Ruffalo as an actor doing this
cool performance. I think that that kind of sounds like
the direction this would go. Like, I don't know, I
think it would probably be more of a surprise in
the movie where Hulk just shows up on an orange
smashes a building, rather than like him and Spidy and
Ruffalo or like Tom hollands By, like walking down the
street whatever, and then like he gets transformed out of nowhere,
like I think that would be my guess would be
the surprise, or like his introduction in the movie would
be as Hulk, and that's what we get, and then
maybe we get the resolution of it by the end
of the movie of course, where you know, Spidey figures
out how to cure him, how to solve Save the Day,
that kind of thing. But yeah, we've seen something like
this before. It's kind of like Civil War and just
like the Winter Soldier in general, right, just someone using
my control abilities to like make this guy go against
our heroes. So we've seen something like that before. Obviously
it's like a different power level than the Winter Soldier,
but you know, Spidey's a very powerful character, so we
could take something on like this. But it's interesting to
hear this rumor. I mean, one the timing of it
is interesting of like, okay, well, Avengers got delayed, so
maybe they're you know, back in the shop working on
what this new script is going to look like, and
maybe this is an idea. And then we talked about it.
I think it was on a weekly geek that me
and you did where there was that rumor at one
point where there was in the you know, one of
the concepts for Brand New Day was that it was
going to be Hulk and then Punisher also like it
was going to be Spidy and Punisher like taking down Hulk.
So it seems like, okay, maybe this was something that
really was really had potential, and they were considering the
script or they were even writing it parts of it
that line at the very least, and then things changed.
They you know, had the Avengers timing, they decided to pivot,
and now they're unpivoting essentially and going back to this
Hulk thing. So whether that means Punisher is to follow
and we get that original storyline, or if it is
something different and we focus on Mister Negative all that stuff,
we'll have to wait and see. But you know, it's
always useful to think about these rumors and when different
rumors line up up in certain ways and it's like, okay,
is that you know, is there a smoke, is it
where there's smoke, there's fire situation, or is this just
you know this new Scooper Sea tiers, Like, oh, I
remember that rumor for a few weeks ago. I'm going
to like recirculate that one, but I'm gonna copy the
homework but like change it a little bit. So you know,
we'll have to wait and see. But I think it's
a I think it's a fun idea. It's an interesting concept.
And you know, for me, always like in terms of
superhero stuff just all time, I feel like it's like Batman, Superman, Spidey,
and Hulk are like the four characters that just fucking
crush it on merch. Kids even today still have like
T shirts of these characters and there's so ubiquitous, and
you put them on a poster, that's gonna be a
big deal. It's gonna make a lot of money. And
so I think putting the two MCU characters out of
that format equation that I just mentioned, put Spidey and
Hulk on a poster next to each other, that would
crush it. That would like people would go see that,
people would be excited for that. I think that would
be really exciting for kids as well. I think it's
just be like a fun thing for them. But also
you know, for us hardcore fans, like, okay, cool, we
got interesting story dynamic here, so, uh yeah, I think
it's a decent concept and I'm open to it. I
don't think it's my maybe top request for a Spider
Man thing, but uh I just because once again, I
think the Mark Ruffalo of it all is like, Man,
this Bruce Banner character has gotten such a messy arc
and it seems like a really messy direction to go
with him. But maybe it's well done. Maybe it could
be done in a cool way. And if it gets
me Punisher in Spidery Movie, then fucking sign me up.
I'm man, I want that.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's calling him green like he calls
Daredevil red?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It really reduces them down to like the most
essential self.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to hear, just hear John Berthol's like
in that dynamic with with you got like the Raging
Hulk and then just Tom Hollins Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Whenever I this is weird connection in my brain. Whenever
I think of John Perthols saying hey, read, I think
of that scene in I Am Legend when he's like,
what the hell you doing out here? Friend? For some reason,
it's like the same intonation in my mind. I always
hear that when I when I think of punisher yelling red.
Speaker 1: It's a good little footnote to remind Uh yeah, but
uh yeah, I mean in term, I really liked what
you said about just the observation of like the shattershopness
of what is Bruce Banner in the MCU. I I
really liked the Smart Hulk for how it was used
like in the Avengers movie. I thought it was fantastic.
But I definitely think it's since ran its course.
Speaker 2: And uh, sorry, go on, go on, I said say
that again.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, yes, yes, you're you're meming me. Uh
but you know, I I I think it's kind of
ran its course. If it just like keeps, I don't know,
I I I think it would just be a little
bit overdone now. And especially that like the scope of
time that's past since we've had Savage Hulk. It like
it's as if we've had more Smart Hulk than we've
had Savage Hulk in the whole scope of the MCU, right,
Like when you look at it, like the whole scale.
I'm not saying like individual projects, sure, but like just
just amount of time that's that's happened. Maybe it's maybe
it's tough to say that because there has been made.
Speaker 2: Another angle I just thought of here is like actually
one thing that kind of immediately I just talked about
how I'm into this idea. I'm open to it, but
I think one thing that makes it less exciting is
like we just had Red Hulk like going off and
popping off right, and so like, I don't know if
we get like another guy who's like, you know, not
thinking straight and you know, different motivations here, whether it's
the Red Hulk situation, I guess it's like kind of
like Leader is just you just switch them out for uh,
mister negative or whoever is doing that in the Marvel
in the fucking Spider Man movie. So many names and characters,
So I don't know. I yeah, maybe it is a
bit too close for something we just got. And I
don't think that this would mean it's a recipe for
failure and the way that Brave New World was not
very successful, but you know, brand New Day, Brave New World,
these are very similar titles, so maybe they just copy
each other's script too, Who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm curious what's gonna be happening with
Red Hulk, Like how much how much of a like
a hibernation that character is going to be making and
I I don't know if we'll really be seeing like
Harrison Ford again locked up right now, right he is
locked up right now. I think we'll definitely see Red
Red Hilt, Red Hulk no matter what. But I don't
know it's it's a tougher cell that you think we'll
get him no matter what.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: So I I think maybe I'm just like Force. I'm
what's the I'm manifesting it in the universe because part
of me is like I want to see Green versus Red.
I want to see Savagehulk versus fucking Red Hulk, Like
like that's just like the little little kid in me
that just wants to see big baddies, uh, beating each
other up on.
Speaker 2: Them, picturing them in a ring like we had in
thor Ragnarok. We're in that arena, but like the guy
who in the announcer is just Punisher left corner, Red
in the right corner.
Speaker 1: Girl, it's just like.
Speaker 2: On his birth all scream and.
Speaker 1: He just jumps in the ring too, starts fighting both
of them. Yeah, such a savage Uh yeah, I mean,
like the probability of it is way lesser than the
want that that, like I said, like, that's just my
what I'm trying to force out there. But I don't know.
It just seems like a iconic character that even if
like a good amount of time passes, I do think
we'll see Red Hulk again. But yeah, I mean, let's
talk again. In a decade, we're getting ready for GB twenty.
Let's let's let's let's circle back if we haven't seen
Red Hulk by then.
Speaker 2: But sure, yeah, I'll pizza bet you if you want.
Really I think Red hulks, I don't. I think Red
Hulk's gone. We're not seeing ever in this we need
an expiry date on I'll say, like until the MCU reboots,
like until the mc is dead and we like get
it starting from scratch. I'll say there's no more Red Hulk,
with the exception of like, okay, what if, well what
it's done now, I guess that's not even on the table.
So all, pizza bet you know Red Hulk ever again,
we don't see him.
Speaker 1: I will take that bet. And and okay I probably
shouldn't because I just came off a really horrific loss.
That's uh my defeater you know, he took the high
ground and didn't accept the pizza. But I will take
that bet for you because I, yeah, I think it's
a lower chance of it happening. But like still there's
something in me that that makes me think that movie.
Speaker 2: Eight Dirt at the Bottle House. I don't think they care. Yeah,
they don't look at Harrison Ford anymore. That bombed in either,
Like this guy, he doesn't sell tickets anymore. We don't
need this guy.
Speaker 1: But I never said Harrison Ford. I just said Red Hulk, Right.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do recast Harrison Ford?
Speaker 1: No, you're just gonna have Red Hulk in a movie.
It's gonna be like when Abomination.
Speaker 2: But you need likeness, you need his his body. You know,
Harrison Ford's doing the mocap for Red Hull. No he's not.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a part of the pizza ed.
Speaker 2: I'm okay, Yeah, I'm still good to say no Red
Hul because think they would still want to use his
his likeness, and like you know, you have to like
pay him for that. I guess I don't know how
that works. Okay, So by g no, no, no, I'm saying by
the MCU reboot. That's what I write.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yes, that's my Okay, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I'll take someone put that in the discord, Pizza bet,
I'm saying, no, Red Hulk before the MCU dies says
he's coming back six to seven times.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to hear people's thoughts on this in the
discord and otherwise, because a feeling they'll be more aligned
with you. But yeah, well we'll see what happens. I
don't really know what else to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was kind of everything with this, right, Yeah,
I guess it might be my last quick note here
would be Yeah, mister negative, I want to see that
character as well. I think they could go a lot
of different directions. I've still really seen that one iteration
in the Spider Man game, and I think you could
go a lot of different directions with it, other than
of course the great Marvel Snap, where he's an iconic
character in there as well. But yeah, I definitely want
to see that character at some point. But I also
think it doesn't need to be mister Negative that sets
up the storyline. There could be any number of bad
guys who you know, Unlock Savage Hulk or justin hammer Back.
Maybe he found a way to do it, Like, I
think there's a lot of different ways we could get it.
So I think this this. I could see this this
happening even without mister negative and yeah, yeah, did you
ever play Spider Man two? I still have not play
Spider Man two. I'm waiting for like a nice juicy
sale on it, which maybe we'll finally get when I
saw PlayStations having a sale summer sale wherever they call.
Speaker 1: It, that's very fair. I'm not gonna say anything then,
just for your own enjoyment of that story. But uh, yeah,
there's a great game.
Speaker 2: I've seen some spoilers. But anyway, Okay, there's is Savage
Hulk in the games.
Speaker 1: I you're telling me, Yeah, that's that's where I'm gonna
win the pizza bet because he's in it.
Speaker 2: There you spoil that. I didn't hear that he's.
Speaker 1: Not in there? Or is he? That's a splering of
itself by denying that, So I won't say anything there. Okay,
temperature check Spider Man Brand New Day. I mean, I
know you're just gonna be excited for when the movie
comes out like I am, because we just love Spidery.
Speaker 2: What do you think I am some I'm a soulless
fan boy here who just likes everything. I'm CEU huh,
I'm critical. I'm critical, but when it comes.
Speaker 1: To Spidy though, I feel like you're more positive when
it comes to that, like like maybe not positive, like
I'm gonna pass it no matter what, but like that
pushes the height meter. I think just knowing that we're
getting close to a spiky project? Am I correct on that?
I mean, you never watched Spider Man.
Speaker 2: Actually I did watch it, but I didn't watch it live.
I I I waited. I didn't need to see it immediately.
Speaker 1: You're such a fan you got in there eventually.
Speaker 2: I did, and I loved it. So well, yeah, yes,
I'm a spider But also I didn't play Spider Man two.
I didn't have a PS five when it came out.
So there's you know, but you do Asterix on these things.
There's thunderbolts, Asterix on these bad boys. But I am
a spider boy. But you're your question my general temperature
on Brand New Day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know you're maybe not a fan
of the title, but uh yeah, just just everything that
we've heard, I think and like, it's no, nothing super
concrete other than like some solid castings, the Sadie sink
inclusion sinkster, all of these factors. Just a little temperature check.
Here we are twenty twenty five, twenty seventh, nine oh
five Pacific Standard time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, much like Bruce Banner, we've gotten all
manner of rumors for this bad Boy that it could
be so many different directions. So I'd say I'm kind
of mid mid lowish right now, just until we finally
get something feels a little bit more concrete. I mean,
I guess they the same thing is pretty concrete, but
like we still don't even know her character, right, so
it's like I don't know what direction they're taking it.
So I'd say I'm kind of mid mid lower right now.
But once we finally get some more actual details, a
little bit more casting information, I think that'll shoo shoot
right up there. I don't I don't think it'll match
No Way Home, just because how do you have matched
No Way Home unless you bring those boys back. But
I think, you know, as excited as I was for
Afar from Home or or a homecoming, which I was,
I was, I was excited for those movies. Okay, are
you about the same, Oh, you're probably a little bit higher.
Speaker 1: Maybe it sounds I think a medium. I think I'm
like a fresh right in the middle pH seven. Like
you know that it's nothing too exciting, but like that's
what you want, you know, at this stage, I don't
want to be too acidic. I don't want to be
too Oh god, what's the other basic? Basic? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, maybe I'm more basic of range, you know,
basic and acidic. Crazy shouts out to what is the
name of the stick that you put in the thing
to determine whether it is basic?
Speaker 1: I don't even know it was basic? You think I
know what the fucking sticks called?
Speaker 2: Come on, no science, it's like a thermometer.
Speaker 1: But let me Yeah, the temperature checker of basic or acidic,
that's probably the scientific name. I'm trying to buy some
time while you do some I don't have to sufficiently. Yeah, yeah,
talk to text. It's a it's the acidic acidity on you. Okay,
we're moving on. We're gonna close this chapter on the
MCU stuff. We're gonna head to an ad break and
be back to talk about universe that I don't know
what to call it, so we will figure out our
name when we're back