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Thanks for 27 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:41.200 hosting me. 28 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:45.439 Sorry, Burden Cat just made an unscheduled appearance. 29 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:45.799 Uh. 30 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:51.000 Anyway, so we are getting back to our discussion of 31 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:52.200 Chicago Ripper Crew. 32 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:54.120 Uh. 33 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:56.000 The feedback on the last one was very good. People 34 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:58.840 were very interested. Interestingly enough, we had a couple of 35 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.640 people who had personal connections to the case and the 36 00:02:01.680 --> 00:02:03.480 comments I think I sent them to you on substack, 37 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:06.159 which was interesting. So you know, even though it's slightly 38 00:02:06.200 --> 00:02:10.000 more obscure, people are interested in this topic. And so 39 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.560 I won't hold you anymore, Thomas. Where do you want 40 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:13.560 to get back into it? 41 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:17.639 Yeah? I and yeah, the feedback's been great. And to 42 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:23.800 be to be clear, these guys, we were middle class 43 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:28.919 white ethnics, I mean, they were working people. But you know, 44 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:33.039 it doesn't surprise me that there was you know, Northwest 45 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:37.240 side guys who came across these peoples. And one of 46 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.680 the reasons why it's relevant, it's not just because of 47 00:02:39.719 --> 00:02:44.039 the I mean, it's a horrible case. But as I'll 48 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:48.319 get into, the investigators as well as the State's Attorney's 49 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.159 office as well as the SBI was convinced that there 50 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.639 were far more victims and there was grave concern that 51 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:01.240 this was a Son of Sam type situation. And the 52 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:06.560 Ripper Crew is connected to a network occult network. Okay, 53 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.800 So again that's it's important to push back against the 54 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.039 what's become the prevailing narrative. And also there was there 55 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:17.439 was an interesting precedent set by this case and these 56 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:22.960 cases the trials. You know, Andy good Coriels as the 57 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:28.639 last man executed in Illinois, which is significant. They there 58 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:31.479 was murders in both Cook and DuPage County, and DuPage 59 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:36.240 County is a solidly read county. They're super Republican, super 60 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.919 pro Trump, and back then they were the bane of 61 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:44.000 the of the of the Chicago machine down in Springfield. 62 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:47.439 So that's interesting too because the death sentences that came 63 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:52.599 down of this case came down from DuPage. Okay, I'm 64 00:03:52.599 --> 00:03:55.240 not I'm not wearing gloves to be like weird or something. 65 00:03:55.319 --> 00:04:00.199 My handsle was swollen and it looks gross. I don't 66 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:04.680 be able think I'm trying to be spooky. Something, but uh, 67 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.520 because it may, you know. And as we got into 68 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.319 it before, I think we ended where Tommy could Coreelis 69 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:17.120 was implicated and then and then confessed, and one of 70 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:22.040 the lead investigators, name of John sam he couldn't believe 71 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.680 what he was hearing. He attested the fact, you know, 72 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.079 in his words quote, could this stuff really happen? I 73 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.600 didn't even know what to say to this guy. And 74 00:04:31.720 --> 00:04:35.959 finally he put to Tommy, why, why why did you 75 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.040 do these things? And Tommy reiterated, almost for me as 76 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:43.839 his brother said, he said, you don't understand. Robin get 77 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:49.519 just makes you do things. And the detective said, what 78 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:51.319 what do you mean it makes you do things? What 79 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:53.120 does he do? Does he threatened to does he threaten 80 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.000 to fuck you up? Does he threaten to kill you? 81 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:59.480 And Tommy he shook his head and said no, he said, 82 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.800 you don't. He said, he just looks into your eyes 83 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.600 and he tells you to do something, and you just 84 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:06.959 have to do it. Tommy was one hundred percent of 85 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:12.279 advanced that Gagt had some sort of demonic power over him, 86 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:17.279 you know, and however ridiculous anybody thinks that is, or 87 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.759 you know, you can chalk it up to coreol is 88 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.160 being a simpleton. But as we'll get into this is 89 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.000 this pattern emerges again and again with get convincing or 90 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:32.040 persuading people to do things that they would not ordinarily do, 91 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:37.160 and not just simpletons like Spritzer and arguably Tommy Coo 92 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:45.839 coriel Is, but you know, very very very normal middle 93 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:49.480 class people as well, who aren't engaged in deviant behavior 94 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:58.600 street shit. In any way, Tommy substantiated what his brother 95 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:03.120 attested to, and to be clear, Andy's testimony or i 96 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:10.360 mean Andy's confessions, what he relating Costody became fundamentally important 97 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:17.079 to the cases in chief that substantiated the body of 98 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.000 the indictments because Eddie Spritzer was a moron, and he 99 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:25.160 was he was changing his narrative every day, and there 100 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:31.879 was no rhyme or reason to it. And he states attorney, 101 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.519 the assistant state's attorney who got the case, a guy 102 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.759 named Buke. Buke asked what about the severed body parts, 103 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:48.120 the severed breasts and vist erun things, And apparently this 104 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:52.600 is the only line of question that really upset Tommy 105 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:54.639 and this and the state. As Toney said, look, you've 106 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.759 already you're already getting charged with murder. You might as 107 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.319 well give us the details and not played games. And 108 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.160 he acknowledged and validated that these satanic ceremonies took place 109 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:09.279 in the egg, you know, just as his brother had. 110 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:15.680 And Tommy actually assigned dates to some of these occurrences. 111 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.120 He said he participated directly in nine or ten of 112 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:24.120 them between May nineteen eighty one and May nineteen eighty two. 113 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:31.240 And he also confessed the murder of Lorraine Bowski and 114 00:07:31.480 --> 00:07:34.680 Linda Sutton. And both of these were important because Barowski, 115 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.519 he was that poor woman who was grabbing broad daylight 116 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:44.079 and gang raped and murdered and mutilated at the hotel 117 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.399 and then dumped in the cemetery. And we were so 118 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:53.000 far out and horrible what Andy attested to do. It 119 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.959 would have been difficult to substantiate that if there wasn't 120 00:07:55.959 --> 00:08:01.639 a corroborating statement and Lorraine's remains where she was a 121 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:03.839 skeleton by the time they found her, so it's not 122 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:08.600 as if they could piece together from piece together forensically 123 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:12.759 whether this confession could be substantiated. I think it's a 124 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.439 Linda Sutton. She was the first victim found behind the 125 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:22.879 moonlit motel in Villa Park, so that obviously tied the 126 00:08:22.959 --> 00:08:29.519 case together and created a linear investigative chain that the 127 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:32.720 trier of fact could follow. And that's that's important. This 128 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:41.639 bestially in a case that's so massive and severe. Now 129 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:43.919 this gets really strange, But I was just mentioning a 130 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.639 minute ago about get and as apparent power to manipulate people. Well, 131 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:54.240 when Ghek was arrested, the Chicago cop named Ron Sebliski. 132 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:58.399 I assume this is an alias that's used by the 133 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:07.720 people who related this anecdote because it was the source 134 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:13.279 that I'm referring to. We're all penned by state actors. Okay, 135 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:19.879 But Ron Sibliski was a Chicago PD officer and on 136 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.039 May sixth, nineteen eighty two, he responded to a call 137 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.000 of a man with a gun. There's this restaurant, this 138 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:29.120 kind of Chicago's got a lot of twenty four diners 139 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.879 to this day. There's this old restaurant as long as 140 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:36.600 since clothes called the Grand Austin Grill. It was this 141 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:41.720 all night diner. Okay, So sublisky, he's a beat cop 142 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:46.440 in Chicago with twenty years on the job. He pulls 143 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:50.000 up in front of the restaurant, answer the call, and 144 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:53.559 he finds out that what happened was there was this 145 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:57.440 young lady and some drunks staggered in there and started 146 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:03.159 hassling her and then started fish roughing her up. And 147 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:07.840 this other patron pulled out a gun, drew a beat 148 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:11.360 on this man and said leave her alone, and then 149 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.679 forced the guy out of the restaurant and then he 150 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:16.360 halted his weapon and sat back down. Well, that man 151 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.960 was Robin Get, Okay. So Sublisky's this was before long 152 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.440 before there was any kind of CCW in Chicago. Okay. 153 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.960 So Sublisky and his partner was like, hey, this guy 154 00:10:28.039 --> 00:10:30.120 did a good deed, but hey, sorry, you know you're 155 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.039 gonna catch charges for this. And Get's like, nah, I understand. 156 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.639 So Get does Oblisky and these costs became buddies, okay, 157 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.360 and they started they developed this rapport and his Siblisky's 158 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:48.080 booking Get on the firearms charge. He's mentioning about how 159 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.919 he's got this house that he's, you know, wanted to 160 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.480 invest in as a fixer. Uppers become this money pitch 161 00:10:53.559 --> 00:10:56.879 and Gets like, oh, hey, you'm a master carpenter an electrician, 162 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:58.240 you know, why don't let me take a look at it. 163 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:04.200 So sure enough, Get Start shows up with his crew 164 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.399 Eddie Spritzer and some other guys, and he does this 165 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:12.399 like incredible job on this CoP's house. And Soblisky said, 166 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:14.559 this guy was the most skilled carpenter I've ever seen. 167 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:20.080 And Sublisky's kids started like hanging out with Ghek's kids 168 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:23.600 and playing together. You know, Get's kids would sleep over 169 00:11:23.639 --> 00:11:27.320 at his house. Gets was proactively living at this dude's house, 170 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:32.360 this cop for like a year, and then you know, 171 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:38.360 this cop realized something was off. You know, he didn't 172 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.879 know what, but he said, why why am I letting 173 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.000 this guy basically live in my house? You know? Why 174 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:45.600 am I like buying his kids groceries? You know, like, 175 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:47.799 why why why am I letting his kids stay at 176 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:53.159 my house half the week? So so Blisky apparently gradually 177 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:56.200 put an end to it, you know, and and the 178 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.320 work that Deek was doing in the house and was 179 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:02.440 coming to it in anyway. But after Gek was arrested 180 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:07.720 for multiple homicide and kidnapping and mulicious wounding and all 181 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:13.559 this horrible stuff, Soblisky shows up at Area five and 182 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:16.840 goes nuts and he's like, he's innocent. This man's a 183 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:19.240 friend of mine. How dare you accuse him of these 184 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:22.240 horrible crimes? And this always came to blows between him 185 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.960 and these detectives who are as superiors. Okay, Like that's 186 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:31.960 that's crazy, you know, Like what this dude was putting 187 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:36.240 his career in jeopardy to go to bat for Robin Ghekt, 188 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:41.039 Like that's Gaysey. Like okay, because Gaysey not only would 189 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.600 gaze schmooze the police and stuff, but Gaysey was a 190 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.919 really skilled contractor and he'd do work for people and 191 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:54.679 they'd be really happy and you know, but that doesn't 192 00:12:54.720 --> 00:13:02.480 explain the entire scenario. You know, Gek had some sort 193 00:13:02.519 --> 00:13:07.200 of ability to manipulate people profoundly, and not in terms 194 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:11.720 of traditional charisma. I mean, Ghek wasn't he wasn't particularly 195 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:16.759 handsome or you know, alpha or anything. But there was 196 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.879 there's something very strange going on here, you know, and 197 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:26.039 especially you know, cops are very clannish. Number one, they 198 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.080 basically went hear around with other police. That's what jumped 199 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:32.240 out of me. And Okay, I get it that these 200 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:37.480 police on the scene at a Grand and at the 201 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:41.519 Grand Avenue diner, they look at Ghek. It's kind of 202 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.320 a hero in the situation. But it's like, I can't 203 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:48.320 imagine it's a normal protocol that started hanging out socially 204 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.960 with people you collor that that seems highly improper, regardless 205 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:58.200 of the underlying circumstances. But and that that gave every 206 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:03.039 that gave the detectives pause, you know, And I'll I'll 207 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:12.120 expand on that in a bit. But the uh one 208 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:22.480 a second, you know, and it's uh apparently two. In 209 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:27.080 addition to this mistress of Gets who boughted him out 210 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:31.080 when he was first arrested, get To introduced Seblisky to 211 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.799 this bizarre kind of butch lesbian who is also in 212 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:38.120 the building trades, and she apparently gave get To money 213 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:43.200 and would take him around to uh her gay friends 214 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:45.279 to show him off, like like he was her boy 215 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:48.759 toy or something. And get told brag to Oblisky that 216 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:51.879 he was pimping women and that this lesbian who we 217 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.559 called Miss Ross, that Miss Ross. He's like, you know, 218 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:56.679 even if things go bad with my wife, you know, 219 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:59.799 miss Ross is loaded, and she'll she'll she'll give me 220 00:15:00.159 --> 00:15:02.159 buying me anything I need. I don't even need the baller. 221 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:04.879 I mean, like this is insane and this guy's telling 222 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:07.279 this too is a cop. He's basically living in his 223 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:12.919 house and uh, you know this this doesn't I mean, 224 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.720 I guess eventually this cops spidy senses got triggered, but 225 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:21.799 that the whole thing seems incredibly perverse and abnormal. 226 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:26.159 It uh. 227 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:36.679 The Now this is interesting too because by this point 228 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:45.360 November eighty two, all the Ripper crewre in custody. But 229 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:49.759 in November sixteenth, another young woman's body was found of 230 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.440 the under the Fullerton Amity Bridge and exactly the same 231 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:58.799 location where Sondra Delaware had been murdered. See what, like 232 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.960 Sandra Dollar, wasn't done there. That's the victim that Andy 233 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:08.000 kok Corialis claimed that she was murdered there, and the 234 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:14.279 the the physical evidence suggested that because there was liquid 235 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:18.000 blood that had pooled, she'd been found probably not even 236 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.200 an hour after she'd been murdered, but this would have 237 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:24.000 been had been stabbed all over her body. They were 238 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.320 able to ideal because there was a bond slip in 239 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.639 her jacket pocket. She'd just been bonded out of Cook 240 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:33.639 County for prostitution, and she was a hooker whose official 241 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.279 residence with North Lincoln Avenue, and that was one of 242 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.879 the Ripper Crew's hunting grounds. So the police became convinced 243 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.320 that there was more. There were more the rippers out there, 244 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:49.360 you know, and obviously get doesn't saying anything. The Corialis 245 00:16:49.399 --> 00:16:53.000 brothers and even even simple to nighty sprites are they're 246 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.679 realizing they're looking at the death penalty, you know. And 247 00:16:55.799 --> 00:17:00.919 by this time there they got representation, you know, and 248 00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:04.559 their public defenders are telling him stop stop talking. Your 249 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:09.200 life is on the line. So this never was truly resolved. 250 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.880 But the. 251 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:20.599 Chicago PD, they put out a nationwide bulletin about the 252 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:28.799 Ripper Crew and asking for communication by telex as to 253 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:32.400 whether or not any homicides anywhere in the United States 254 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:38.839 matching this mo and this victim profile where you know, 255 00:17:40.920 --> 00:17:44.000 there was an unstuff at large relating to those incidents, 256 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.359 you know. So they they were absolutely convinced that this 257 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:56.920 was not an isolated cell of occult motivated murderers. November twentieth, 258 00:17:58.000 --> 00:18:01.799 Eddie Sprecher was formally indicted along with Andy Cook coriel 259 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:07.240 As for the murder of Schuey Mack. Eddie Spreutzer was 260 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:12.680 also indicted for attempted murder, aggravated battery, and armed a 261 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:17.920 violence for the only two known male victims the Ripper Crew. 262 00:18:18.559 --> 00:18:21.720 There were those two gang bangers who got blasted around Wrigleyville, 263 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.279 Raphael Toronto and Albert Wizzario. One of the guys died. 264 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:29.079 One of the guys lived with catastrophic brain injury, you know, 265 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:35.279 And that was I believe the speculation, you know, Get 266 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.960 was a was a firearms of ficionados who was always strapped. 267 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:42.839 I believe he blasted those guys thinking that the police 268 00:18:42.839 --> 00:18:45.119 would chalk it up to street ship, which they did 269 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:50.039 because both these guys you know, wrote as as Latin kings, 270 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.960 and I think he was testing sprister to see if 271 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:58.480 he you know, see what he'd do if he had 272 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:02.039 it in him the you know, be a murder rampy. 273 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:14.720 But in any event, Get himself wasn't convicted of murder 274 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:20.680 because they really all they had to put him at 275 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:31.200 the scene of these murders was odd circumstantial evidence. The 276 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:34.839 the main case in chief, the case even against him 277 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:38.720 was mainly substantiated by his victim who survived, okay, And 278 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:41.400 the problem is the rest of the Ripper crew who 279 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.720 implicated him. You know, you have a right to confront 280 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.119 your accuser if they refuse to testify, you know that 281 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:55.000 evidence can't be introduced. You know. So what they did 282 00:19:55.119 --> 00:19:59.880 have Get on the hook for was attempted murder, already kidnapping, 283 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:06.039 deviate sexual assault and rape for what he did do 284 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:13.359 what he did to that victim who survived Beverly, Washington. 285 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:21.079 The crux against defense was that brutal as this attack 286 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.720 may have been, it didn't rise to the level of 287 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:33.599 intendant required to substancy to conviction for attempted murder. And 288 00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:37.599 before the trial Gets lawyers demanded a sanity hearing, which 289 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:44.920 is you're right. And this was before it was impossible 290 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:47.599 to prevail on an insanity defense, which for all practical 291 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:52.240 purposes postinkly it is. So this wasn't just a fool's 292 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:57.400 errand Get was examined by the director of Cook County 293 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:05.640 Psychiatric Institute and Uh in a letter to the court, 294 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:12.960 doctor Reefman, who was the man in question. It was 295 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.680 very brief, he he said to the judge presenting judges 296 00:21:16.799 --> 00:21:20.599 Francis Mahone. He said to Judge Mahone, the defendant understands 297 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.400 the nature of the charges against him, and it was 298 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:26.000 thus legally seen at the time of the offense that's 299 00:21:26.119 --> 00:21:30.240 really all that that that really is all insanity the 300 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:35.240 jury is concerned with categorically, you know, can the defendant 301 00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:39.200 understand the nature of the charges against him? And could 302 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.559 he I mean, and could he understand the wrongfulness of 303 00:21:42.680 --> 00:21:47.960 it is of his conduct? I mean, the understanding the 304 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.200 nature of the charges of the predict did for competence 305 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:55.400 see to stand trial? You know, being able to formulate 306 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:59.880 intent based upon an understanding of moral wrongfulness obviously cuts 307 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:06.160 of something who liability. But it was clear, Uh, I 308 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:10.480 mean that that that's you gotta if if it even 309 00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:12.680 though Gek goes on the hook for murder, it Uh, 310 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.759 obviously in a case that's severe, you're gonna you're gonna 311 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.880 file the emotion you can gets. Trial was a was 312 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:25.279 a fiasco due to no fault of the judge or 313 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:30.720 the state's attorneys. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. 314 00:22:32.599 --> 00:22:39.119 When a deepts lawyers noticed that one of the jurors 315 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.240 she was carrying a newspaper with the headline woman relates 316 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:48.799 quote ripper attack and the article went on to suggest 317 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:51.680 that Gek absolutely was the leader of the Ripper crew. 318 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.839 And then it had this whole squib about Get's miserable 319 00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:01.839 childhood and his his alleged sexual dv and see you know, 320 00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:06.599 and Get's lawyers obviously immediately a maned a mistrial. Mahone 321 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:15.319 has specifically instructed the jurors to avoid all news media, uh, 322 00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:18.359 you know, television or print. You know. The fact that 323 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:20.839 this woman had this was carrying this paper little under 324 00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:23.039 her arm. I mean, I presume she was passing this 325 00:23:23.160 --> 00:23:25.680 around in the jury room. You know what of. 326 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:27.759 This? This? 327 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:31.759 This is this was obvious grounds for appeal. So Mahone 328 00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:37.079 declares a mistrial. Geck gets uh shuttle it back to 329 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:45.279 Cook County Jail. Get Uh. His lawyers moved for a 330 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:50.480 change of venue, and uh, mahone wouldn't hear of it. 331 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:58.440 A new jury was impaneled, you know, and and Get's 332 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:02.279 attorneys basically doubled down on the fact that in the 333 00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:08.359 case of Beverly, Washington, it was dark you know, the 334 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:13.039 victim byro own admission and force fed drugs. You know, 335 00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:17.079 she had a history of past recreational drug use. How 336 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:22.480 could she positively id get? You know? And furthermore, Uh, 337 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:28.720 there the injury sustained, even if for the sake of argument, counterfactually, 338 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.240 Get was was the man who attacked her. They they 339 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:37.359 didn't rise the level of attempted murder. Get's wife testified 340 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.279 her husband was home all night at the time of 341 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.880 the attack, which was this woman was not remotely credible, 342 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:47.920 and she came off as bizarre. She wore all black 343 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.759 and had her hair dyed black and looked like some 344 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:57.000 TM version of Elvira or something. If he look at 345 00:24:57.039 --> 00:25:02.440 photographs of her, he gets, mother, Uh seemed just kind 346 00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:05.640 of like a sad old lady. And you know she 347 00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:12.240 her testimony constituted character evedence and all but name. You know, 348 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.559 she she just came off as kind of pathetic and saying, 349 00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:18.039 you know, my You know, Robin is a good boy, 350 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:20.759 and he's so weak and easily frightened. He you know, 351 00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:23.039 his brother has always had to do his fighting for him. 352 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:24.359 He was scared of his own shadow. 353 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:25.599 You know. 354 00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:31.000 So this uh get uh And finally. 355 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.599 The uh. 356 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:42.920 What gets lawyers reserved for closing argument was to hang 357 00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:47.519 it Eyety sprites her. They did when they couldn't intimate 358 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.680 that Eddie sprites her, who by sprites her, and the 359 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.160 police is and the States are in his own acknowledgment 360 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.599 borrowed the Robin gets a work van on the regular. 361 00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:07.000 It was he committed these attacks, you know it, Uh, 362 00:26:07.920 --> 00:26:11.720 it was he who attacked. Uh you know the these 363 00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:16.079 this woman who survived, you know and uh in the dark. 364 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:17.400 Uh you know. 365 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:22.359 She couldn't tell one slightly built white man from the other. 366 00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:30.160 But I mean that didn't that the jury came back 367 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.920 in two hours. I mean as none of these, none 368 00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:38.279 of these arguments raised anything approaching reasonable doubt. But with 369 00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.640 what these with what defense counts led to work with, 370 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:46.640 I think it was a perfectly capable defense. He was 371 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:51.279 convicted of all accounts. Mahone sentenced Get to sixty years 372 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:57.640 for rape and deviates, sexual assault, and armed violence, and 373 00:26:57.720 --> 00:27:00.279 then he had an additional sixty years for attempted murder. 374 00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:09.119 And you know, the this woman was maimed horribly and 375 00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:11.279 dumped in and Ali and she would have she would 376 00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.960 have bled out within minutes if she hadn't been discovered 377 00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.880 almost immediately by a sanitation worker. So I mean that, 378 00:27:20.119 --> 00:27:24.039 you know, get Get was done and it was obvious. 379 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:30.200 Uh Mahone was Judge Mahone made it clear and the 380 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.880 statements he made it sentencing that he you know, he 381 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.799 believed Ghek was a multiple murderer. You know, he made 382 00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:46.319 no bones about clarifying that sprites her on the Chicago murders. 383 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:52.039 Pled guilty to four homicides and attempt and one attempted murder. 384 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.319 He was sentenced to life plus one hundred and twenty 385 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:02.440 years for the rape and murder of Rosebeck Davis, who 386 00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:04.759 was the victim who was grabbed off a rushed street. 387 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:09.880 He caught thirty years to the rape and murder of 388 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:15.799 Sadra Delaware, life plus one hundred and eighty years for 389 00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:20.960 the kidnapping and murder of Shoey Mack, thirty years the 390 00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.960 attempted murder of Albert Rosario, life sentence for the murder 391 00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:34.519 of Raphael Toronto. But he still had to fight charges 392 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.440 in Gepage County for the murder of Linda Sutton. He 393 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:43.599 went on Treal there in nineteen eighty six and he 394 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:49.119 was sent to death. And really his lawyer said nothing. 395 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:55.319 Defense council simply tried to portray him as incompetent, you know, 396 00:28:55.440 --> 00:29:00.359 and incapable of rendering independent decisions or at with any 397 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:05.359 independent agency. You know, by this point too, it was 398 00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:08.160 a done deal. I mean, this was this was several 399 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:15.119 years after the after the murders and uh the facts 400 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.359 and circumstances, It's circulated far and wide. People were disgusted, 401 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:23.400