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Speaker 2: The infection felt terrible. I just wasn't getting better. I

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was breathing fast and I felt confused. I had sugars

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I wasn't peen. I felt like I was going to die.

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In the hospital they said I had sepsis and it's urgent.

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Speaker 3: Sepsis can hide behind any infection at any age, so

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watch out for the signs. Visit HSESE dot ie forward

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slash sepsis for more information, and don't be afraid to

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ask the question could it be sepsis?

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Speaker 4: From the hi see.

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Speaker 5: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping

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his wing, big down in the forest man and gonna

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cause the tree fall, letting five thousand miles away man,

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nobody seen, nobody.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 4: You don't need no man, don't they luck you story?

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Speaker 6: And you got backed like that was win Man got

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black and dag on the panel. Man matter man, Thomas,

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Welcome back to the Jay Burn Show.

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Speaker 4: How you doing man, I'm doing very well. Thanks for

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hosting me.

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Speaker 7: Sorry, Burden Cat just made an unscheduled appearance.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, so we are getting back to our discussion of

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Chicago Ripper Crew.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 7: The feedback on the last one was very good. People

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were very interested. Interestingly enough, we had a couple of

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people who had personal connections to the case and the

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comments I think I sent them to you on substack,

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which was interesting. So you know, even though it's slightly

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more obscure, people are interested in this topic. And so

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I won't hold you anymore, Thomas. Where do you want

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to get back into it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I and yeah, the feedback's been great. And to

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be to be clear, these guys, we were middle class

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white ethnics, I mean, they were working people. But you know,

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it doesn't surprise me that there was you know, Northwest

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side guys who came across these peoples. And one of

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the reasons why it's relevant, it's not just because of

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the I mean, it's a horrible case. But as I'll

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get into, the investigators as well as the State's Attorney's

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office as well as the SBI was convinced that there

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were far more victims and there was grave concern that

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this was a Son of Sam type situation. And the

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Ripper Crew is connected to a network occult network. Okay,

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So again that's it's important to push back against the

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what's become the prevailing narrative. And also there was there

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was an interesting precedent set by this case and these

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cases the trials. You know, Andy good Coriels as the

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last man executed in Illinois, which is significant. They there

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was murders in both Cook and DuPage County, and DuPage

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pro Trump, and back then they were the bane of

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the of the of the Chicago machine down in Springfield.

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So that's interesting too because the death sentences that came

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down of this case came down from DuPage. Okay, I'm

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not I'm not wearing gloves to be like weird or something.

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be able think I'm trying to be spooky. Something, but uh,

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because it may, you know. And as we got into

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it before, I think we ended where Tommy could Coreelis

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was implicated and then and then confessed, and one of

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the lead investigators, name of John sam he couldn't believe

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what he was hearing. He attested the fact, you know,

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in his words quote, could this stuff really happen? I

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didn't even know what to say to this guy. And

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finally he put to Tommy, why, why why did you

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do these things? And Tommy reiterated, almost for me as

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his brother said, he said, you don't understand. Robin get

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just makes you do things. And the detective said, what

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what do you mean it makes you do things? What

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does he do? Does he threatened to does he threaten

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to fuck you up? Does he threaten to kill you?

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you don't. He said, he just looks into your eyes

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have to do it. Tommy was one hundred percent of

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advanced that Gagt had some sort of demonic power over him,

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you know, and however ridiculous anybody thinks that is, or

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this pattern emerges again and again with get convincing or

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persuading people to do things that they would not ordinarily do,

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and not just simpletons like Spritzer and arguably Tommy Coo

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coriel Is, but you know, very very very normal middle

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class people as well, who aren't engaged in deviant behavior

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street shit. In any way, Tommy substantiated what his brother

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attested to, and to be clear, Andy's testimony or i

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mean Andy's confessions, what he relating Costody became fundamentally important

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to the cases in chief that substantiated the body of

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the indictments because Eddie Spritzer was a moron, and he

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was he was changing his narrative every day, and there

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was no rhyme or reason to it. And he states attorney,

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the assistant state's attorney who got the case, a guy

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named Buke. Buke asked what about the severed body parts,

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the severed breasts and vist erun things, And apparently this

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is the only line of question that really upset Tommy

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and this and the state. As Toney said, look, you've

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already you're already getting charged with murder. You might as

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well give us the details and not played games. And

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he acknowledged and validated that these satanic ceremonies took place

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in the egg, you know, just as his brother had.

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them between May nineteen eighty one and May nineteen eighty two.

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Linda Sutton. And both of these were important because Barowski,

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he was that poor woman who was grabbing broad daylight

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and gang raped and murdered and mutilated at the hotel

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and then dumped in the cemetery. And we were so

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far out and horrible what Andy attested to do. It

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would have been difficult to substantiate that if there wasn't

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a corroborating statement and Lorraine's remains where she was a

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skeleton by the time they found her, so it's not

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as if they could piece together from piece together forensically

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whether this confession could be substantiated. I think it's a

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Linda Sutton. She was the first victim found behind the

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moonlit motel in Villa Park, so that obviously tied the

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case together and created a linear investigative chain that the

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trier of fact could follow. And that's that's important. This

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bestially in a case that's so massive and severe. Now

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this gets really strange, But I was just mentioning a

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minute ago about get and as apparent power to manipulate people. Well,

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when Ghek was arrested, the Chicago cop named Ron Sebliski.

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people who related this anecdote because it was the source

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that I'm referring to. We're all penned by state actors. Okay,

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of a man with a gun. There's this restaurant, this

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to this day. There's this old restaurant as long as

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since clothes called the Grand Austin Grill. It was this

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all night diner. Okay, So sublisky, he's a beat cop

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in Chicago with twenty years on the job. He pulls

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he finds out that what happened was there was this

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young lady and some drunks staggered in there and started

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hassling her and then started fish roughing her up. And

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this other patron pulled out a gun, drew a beat

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on this man and said leave her alone, and then

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forced the guy out of the restaurant and then he

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halted his weapon and sat back down. Well, that man

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was Robin Get, Okay. So Sublisky's this was before long

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before there was any kind of CCW in Chicago. Okay.

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So Sublisky and his partner was like, hey, this guy

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did a good deed, but hey, sorry, you know you're

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gonna catch charges for this. And Get's like, nah, I understand.

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and they started they developed this rapport and his Siblisky's

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booking Get on the firearms charge. He's mentioning about how

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he's got this house that he's, you know, wanted to

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invest in as a fixer. Uppers become this money pitch

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and Gets like, oh, hey, you'm a master carpenter an electrician,

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you know, why don't let me take a look at it.

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So sure enough, Get Start shows up with his crew

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Eddie Spritzer and some other guys, and he does this

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like incredible job on this CoP's house. And Soblisky said,

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this guy was the most skilled carpenter I've ever seen.

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And Sublisky's kids started like hanging out with Ghek's kids

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and playing together. You know, Get's kids would sleep over

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at his house. Gets was proactively living at this dude's house,

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this cop for like a year, and then you know,

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this cop realized something was off. You know, he didn't

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know what, but he said, why why am I letting

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this guy basically live in my house? You know? Why

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am I like buying his kids groceries? You know, like,

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why why why am I letting his kids stay at

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my house half the week? So so Blisky apparently gradually

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put an end to it, you know, and and the

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work that Deek was doing in the house and was

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coming to it in anyway. But after Gek was arrested

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for multiple homicide and kidnapping and mulicious wounding and all

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this horrible stuff, Soblisky shows up at Area five and

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goes nuts and he's like, he's innocent. This man's a

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friend of mine. How dare you accuse him of these

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horrible crimes? And this always came to blows between him

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and these detectives who are as superiors. Okay, Like that's

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that's crazy, you know, Like what this dude was putting

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gaze schmooze the police and stuff, but Gaysey was a

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really skilled contractor and he'd do work for people and

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they'd be really happy and you know, but that doesn't

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explain the entire scenario. You know, Gek had some sort

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of ability to manipulate people profoundly, and not in terms

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of traditional charisma. I mean, Ghek wasn't he wasn't particularly

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handsome or you know, alpha or anything. But there was

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there's something very strange going on here, you know, and

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especially you know, cops are very clannish. Number one, they

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police on the scene at a Grand and at the

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Grand Avenue diner, they look at Ghek. It's kind of

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a hero in the situation. But it's like, I can't

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imagine it's a normal protocol that started hanging out socially

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with people you collor that that seems highly improper, regardless

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of the underlying circumstances. But and that that gave every

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that gave the detectives pause, you know, And I'll I'll

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a second, you know, and it's uh apparently two. In

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addition to this mistress of Gets who boughted him out

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when he was first arrested, get To introduced Seblisky to

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this bizarre kind of butch lesbian who is also in

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the building trades, and she apparently gave get To money

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and would take him around to uh her gay friends

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to show him off, like like he was her boy

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toy or something. And get told brag to Oblisky that

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he was pimping women and that this lesbian who we

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called Miss Ross, that Miss Ross. He's like, you know,

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even if things go bad with my wife, you know,

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buying me anything I need. I don't even need the baller.

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that the whole thing seems incredibly perverse and abnormal.

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Speaker 5: It uh.

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the the physical evidence suggested that because there was liquid

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blood that had pooled, she'd been found probably not even

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an hour after she'd been murdered, but this would have

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been had been stabbed all over her body. They were

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able to ideal because there was a bond slip in

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her jacket pocket. She'd just been bonded out of Cook

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County for prostitution, and she was a hooker whose official

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residence with North Lincoln Avenue, and that was one of

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the Ripper Crew's hunting grounds. So the police became convinced

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that there was more. There were more the rippers out there,

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you know, and obviously get doesn't saying anything. The Corialis

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brothers and even even simple to nighty sprites are they're

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realizing they're looking at the death penalty, you know. And

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by this time there they got representation, you know, and

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their public defenders are telling him stop stop talking. Your

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life is on the line. So this never was truly resolved.

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Speaker 2: But the.

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Speaker 4: Chicago PD, they put out a nationwide bulletin about the

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Ripper Crew and asking for communication by telex as to

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whether or not any homicides anywhere in the United States

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matching this mo and this victim profile where you know,

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there was an unstuff at large relating to those incidents,

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you know. So they they were absolutely convinced that this

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was not an isolated cell of occult motivated murderers. November twentieth,

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Eddie Sprecher was formally indicted along with Andy Cook coriel

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As for the murder of Schuey Mack. Eddie Spreutzer was

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also indicted for attempted murder, aggravated battery, and armed a

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violence for the only two known male victims the Ripper Crew.

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There were those two gang bangers who got blasted around Wrigleyville,

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Raphael Toronto and Albert Wizzario. One of the guys died.

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One of the guys lived with catastrophic brain injury, you know,

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And that was I believe the speculation, you know, Get

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was a was a firearms of ficionados who was always strapped.

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I believe he blasted those guys thinking that the police

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would chalk it up to street ship, which they did

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because both these guys you know, wrote as as Latin kings,

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and I think he was testing sprister to see if

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he you know, see what he'd do if he had

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it in him the you know, be a murder rampy.

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But in any event, Get himself wasn't convicted of murder

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because they really all they had to put him at

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the scene of these murders was odd circumstantial evidence. The

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the main case in chief, the case even against him

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was mainly substantiated by his victim who survived, okay, And

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the problem is the rest of the Ripper crew who

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implicated him. You know, you have a right to confront

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your accuser if they refuse to testify, you know that

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evidence can't be introduced. You know. So what they did

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have Get on the hook for was attempted murder, already kidnapping,

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deviate sexual assault and rape for what he did do

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what he did to that victim who survived Beverly, Washington.

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The crux against defense was that brutal as this attack

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may have been, it didn't rise to the level of

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intendant required to substancy to conviction for attempted murder. And

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before the trial Gets lawyers demanded a sanity hearing, which

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is you're right. And this was before it was impossible

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to prevail on an insanity defense, which for all practical

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purposes postinkly it is. So this wasn't just a fool's

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errand Get was examined by the director of Cook County

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Psychiatric Institute and Uh in a letter to the court,

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doctor Reefman, who was the man in question. It was

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very brief, he he said to the judge presenting judges

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Francis Mahone. He said to Judge Mahone, the defendant understands

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the nature of the charges against him, and it was

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thus legally seen at the time of the offense that's

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really all that that that really is all insanity the

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jury is concerned with categorically, you know, can the defendant

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understand the nature of the charges against him? And could

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he I mean, and could he understand the wrongfulness of

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it is of his conduct? I mean, the understanding the

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nature of the charges of the predict did for competence

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see to stand trial? You know, being able to formulate

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intent based upon an understanding of moral wrongfulness obviously cuts

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of something who liability. But it was clear, Uh, I

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mean that that that's you gotta if if it even

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though Gek goes on the hook for murder, it Uh,

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obviously in a case that's severe, you're gonna you're gonna

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file the emotion you can gets. Trial was a was

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a fiasco due to no fault of the judge or

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the state's attorneys. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong.

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When a deepts lawyers noticed that one of the jurors

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she was carrying a newspaper with the headline woman relates

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quote ripper attack and the article went on to suggest

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that Gek absolutely was the leader of the Ripper crew.

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And then it had this whole squib about Get's miserable

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childhood and his his alleged sexual dv and see you know,

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and Get's lawyers obviously immediately a maned a mistrial. Mahone

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has specifically instructed the jurors to avoid all news media, uh,

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you know, television or print. You know. The fact that

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this woman had this was carrying this paper little under

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her arm. I mean, I presume she was passing this

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around in the jury room. You know what of.

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Speaker 7: This? This?

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Speaker 4: This is this was obvious grounds for appeal. So Mahone

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declares a mistrial. Geck gets uh shuttle it back to

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Cook County Jail. Get Uh. His lawyers moved for a

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change of venue, and uh, mahone wouldn't hear of it.

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A new jury was impaneled, you know, and and Get's

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attorneys basically doubled down on the fact that in the

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case of Beverly, Washington, it was dark you know, the

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victim byro own admission and force fed drugs. You know,

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she had a history of past recreational drug use. How

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could she positively id get? You know? And furthermore, Uh,

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there the injury sustained, even if for the sake of argument, counterfactually,

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Get was was the man who attacked her. They they

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didn't rise the level of attempted murder. Get's wife testified

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her husband was home all night at the time of

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the attack, which was this woman was not remotely credible,

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and she came off as bizarre. She wore all black

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and had her hair dyed black and looked like some

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TM version of Elvira or something. If he look at

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photographs of her, he gets, mother, Uh seemed just kind

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of like a sad old lady. And you know she

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her testimony constituted character evedence and all but name. You know,

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she she just came off as kind of pathetic and saying,

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you know, my You know, Robin is a good boy,

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and he's so weak and easily frightened. He you know,

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his brother has always had to do his fighting for him.

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He was scared of his own shadow.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: So this uh get uh And finally.

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Speaker 8: The uh.

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Speaker 4: What gets lawyers reserved for closing argument was to hang

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it Eyety sprites her. They did when they couldn't intimate

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that Eddie sprites her, who by sprites her, and the

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police is and the States are in his own acknowledgment

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borrowed the Robin gets a work van on the regular.

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It was he committed these attacks, you know it, Uh,

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it was he who attacked. Uh you know the these

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this woman who survived, you know and uh in the dark.

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Speaker 8: Uh you know.

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Speaker 4: She couldn't tell one slightly built white man from the other.

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But I mean that didn't that the jury came back

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in two hours. I mean as none of these, none

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of these arguments raised anything approaching reasonable doubt. But with

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what these with what defense counts led to work with,

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I think it was a perfectly capable defense. He was

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convicted of all accounts. Mahone sentenced Get to sixty years

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for rape and deviates, sexual assault, and armed violence, and

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then he had an additional sixty years for attempted murder.

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And you know, the this woman was maimed horribly and

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dumped in and Ali and she would have she would

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have bled out within minutes if she hadn't been discovered

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almost immediately by a sanitation worker. So I mean that,

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you know, get Get was done and it was obvious.

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Uh Mahone was Judge Mahone made it clear and the

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statements he made it sentencing that he you know, he

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believed Ghek was a multiple murderer. You know, he made

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no bones about clarifying that sprites her on the Chicago murders.

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Pled guilty to four homicides and attempt and one attempted murder.

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He was sentenced to life plus one hundred and twenty

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years for the rape and murder of Rosebeck Davis, who

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was the victim who was grabbed off a rushed street.

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He caught thirty years to the rape and murder of

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Sadra Delaware, life plus one hundred and eighty years for

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the kidnapping and murder of Shoey Mack, thirty years the

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attempted murder of Albert Rosario, life sentence for the murder

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of Raphael Toronto. But he still had to fight charges

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in Gepage County for the murder of Linda Sutton. He

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went on Treal there in nineteen eighty six and he

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was sent to death. And really his lawyer said nothing.

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Defense council simply tried to portray him as incompetent, you know,

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and incapable of rendering independent decisions or at with any

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independent agency. You know, by this point too, it was

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a done deal. I mean, this was this was several

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years after the after the murders and uh the facts

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and circumstances, It's circulated far and wide. People were disgusted,

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people were outraged that they were horrified. There's echoes of gacy,

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but Someonay's even worse because this was for defendants. The

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state also emphasized in the page the unfaimable depravity of

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these events, and the states attorneys suggested in closing argument, Look,

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this is becoming an epidemic of people committing these kinds

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of crimes based upon bizarre cultic motivations and essentially the

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said of the jury. Not only does the blood of

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these victims, possibly dozens of them, cry out for vengeance,

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but we've got to send a message that the men

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who do these kinds of things are in the service

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of strange gods, are going to go to the death chamber,

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you know. And Spriteser remain on death row until two

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thousand and three, when his sentence was commuted along with

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every other condemned. They may nill annoy by George H.

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Ryan knowing to the Birds scandal and a lot of

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other shit. Birds was this homicide detective with a lot

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of clout who uh head over decades tortured suspects into confession.

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And this was a disaster because obviously that compromised verdicts

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across the board, and it led to a justice not

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being realized in the case of many condemned who absolutely

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were guilty as a matter of fact, as a matter

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of law. Let's sprite, sir. On February fifth, nineteen eighty five,

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Andy Could Corialis went to trial for the murder of

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Rosebeck Davis, Andy Could Coriolis attorney. He claimed that the

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confession was coerced, so we don't even need the rebut

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the material facts being alleged because Driscoll essentially alleged that

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when Ghek Stonewall the police and sprites are proved to

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be a totally unreliable head case, the police simply swept

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up Andy Courialis and and worked him over until he

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gave them something, you know, and that in reality, he

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played no part at all in the crime. He was

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just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and

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he happened to be acquainted with Robin Ghekt. And when

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you consider the I mean Courialis's confession was catastrophic for

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his own defense because not only not only did he

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cop to eighteen murders. He said there was probably a

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lot more. He gave a timeline, he substantiated dates, discrete acts,

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locations where the victims were seized, where they were dumped.

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I mean he was he was finished. He and he

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caught a life sentence to murder Rose big Davis. But

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two years later DuPage County got him for the murder

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of Lorraine Barowski. And it was the same state's attorney,

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Brian Talander, who prosecuted Spritzer and co core Als, was

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convicted a murder and he was sentenced to death and

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Andy Andy Kakrielis was executed March seventeenth, nineteen ninety nine.

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He was the last man executed in the state of Illinois.

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And that was that was very deliberate, and the jury

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was traumatized. During the penalty phase, Tolander spared no details

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on what had happened, what had happened to these women,

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and specifically the details of Lorraine Barowski's murder, which had

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come from the lip, the details of which had got

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him the lips of any could Coriolis. And I don't

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get me wrong, I was entirely proper, you know, but

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it's it was abjectly horrifying. And uh, I think du

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Page would have I think he would have gone to

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the death chamber anyway. But the fact that that was

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the charge he was having to fight, you know, he

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he was done. He was a dead man walking. As

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I stated, I think last episode Andy could Coriolis, his

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spiritual advisor, maintained that he'd returned to his Orthodox faith.

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He was repent. Andy's last words were, quote to the

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Barowski family, I'm truly sorry for your loss. I mean

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that sincerely, and then he said repent ye for the

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Kingdom of Heaven is in hand. And uh, you know

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he was. He was executed by lethal injection. And there

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was a lasting trauma to this case. I don't I

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know that's that's that's become a stupid word. And I'm

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sure especially younger people are tidy hearing it. Everything's supposally

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a trauma. But one of the detectives Bureau guys I

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years later, sometime in the nineties, he uh, this was

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his testimony and hind said on the case, he said, quote,

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00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,880
no other case ever disturbed me like this one.

473
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,119
Speaker 1: Did.

474
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 4: These guys killed a lot more women than the ones

475
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,360
we got them for. I know that we all know it.

476
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,280
We all knew it back then. There are bodies out

477
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,679
there somewhere, young women who deserve the rest in peace

478
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,599
in their own graves, and we should have been able

479
00:35:58,639 --> 00:36:00,480
to find them, should have been able to put them

480
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,280
to rest. I think about the parents all the time

481
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,400
who can't sleep at night, worrying and wondering what happened

482
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,519
to their daughters. They deserve to know, and now they

483
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:14,440
never will. I quit homicide because of this case, you know,

484
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:23,440
And after much as this was locally sort of a

485
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:32,800
of an obsession, people wanted to forget it after it

486
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:38,360
was done because it was so horrible. But the police

487
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,079
always maintained and I'm the last person who finds the

488
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:49,440
police intrinsically credible. But Chicago PD always maintained that there

489
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:53,599
was probably more of these guys affiliated with the Ripper

490
00:36:53,639 --> 00:36:57,519
Crew itself. And you know, Robiney, get him just one day,

491
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,760
think up these bizarre practices. He was probably initiated into this.

492
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,519
He probably like the like like David Burke Away, it's

493
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:19,400
got drawn into some sort of satanic subculture and like

494
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,039
gaycy because he got away with these things again and again,

495
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,440
and because he was a practicing occultist. He he he

496
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,159
probably believed he wasn't going to be knighted. He probably

497
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:33,239
thought I have some kind of supernatural power. Look, I

498
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,880
can't even manipulate this cop. I'm practically living in his house.

499
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,280
I've got I've got pimping out these women who are

500
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,360
bailing me out of prison. I got this. I got

501
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,119
this butcher lesbian who's who's just paying my bills as

502
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:48,880
long as I, you know, take along to her, you know,

503
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,639
or or or parties or whatever, you know.

504
00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: And I.

505
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 4: Incidentally, I was, uh, I was. I was watching some

506
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,119
of the what's called the Clearwater testimony.

507
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 8: That was.

508
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:12,039
Speaker 4: L Ron Hubbard's son who defected from the Church of

509
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,440
Scientology early on, but who had been instrumental in building it.

510
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,760
He said, Look, he's like first and foremost, he's like

511
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,119
my father wasn't occultist. He was fastly that was the

512
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:28,000
Crowley you know, he is affiliation with Robert Parsons and

513
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,840
Errol Flynn had to do as occult fascinations. And he's like, no,

514
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:36,519
Scientology wasn't a religion. That was his way of avoiding

515
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:39,519
heat from the irs and and the AMA, as well

516
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:43,199
as a way to sell the suckers a package that

517
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,639
would separate them their money. But he's like such that.

518
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,360
My father's religious. He was very much an occult believer,

519
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,519
and he thought that, you know, he he thought he

520
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:56,960
would never face consequences, and that you know, he had

521
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,480
absolute confidence in the con because he he was more

522
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:02,440
than just a con man. He believed he had some

523
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,039
sort of Satanic power over people. You know. And the

524
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:11,159
degree to which of you believe in something with absolute confidence,

525
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,599
you can believe other you can convince others of those things.

526
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:18,199
That that's really what the nature is of a perfect liar,

527
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:24,719
because even people who are just sociopathic and know they're lying,

528
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,480
they've always got tells or they always slip up, or

529
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,280
it's always somehow affected if you believe in what you

530
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:38,239
are saying. There's something about human beings. They're they're hardwired.

531
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:43,119
We're in the absence of triggers suggesting dishonesty. They they

532
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:47,519
they take on the beliefs uh in the in the

533
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,639
veracity of what's being told to them by declarance I believe,

534
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,519
and that that becomes a positive feedback mechanism. And if

535
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:06,480
you're that that then in turn reinforces the delusion. But

536
00:40:06,639 --> 00:40:10,559
It's also something at emphasize too, because I'm sure to

537
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:14,119
people this idea of this, that this weird little guy,

538
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,920
this weird, shitty little guy with an alternate addic doing

539
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,119
horrible things to body parts. It's like, well, who would

540
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,199
be taken in by that? What was the spectacle of

541
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,440
that beyond the fact that it's revolting. It's like, look before,

542
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,519
when the only stimulus outside of real space was television

543
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,719
or the movies, people's responses were totally different, whether you're

544
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,400
talking about how they respond to violence or sex or

545
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,599
anything else. Like even people used to think, even even

546
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:49,760
in my lifetime, like when I was a kid, people

547
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,000
love stuff like Penthouse Magazine was unbelievably racy when really

548
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,079
was just naked girls, you know, I mean, like think

549
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:02,199
about that, and uh, they'd look at something like they

550
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,960
look at a Mando movie, you know, like shocking age

551
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:10,280
or Faces of Death, which even the real footage they're

552
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,519
in was pretty tame stuff. But that was considered to be,

553
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:22,280
you know, really really outside the scope of what was

554
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,800
decent or humans should be seeing, you know, for the

555
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:32,039
purpose of titillation or whatever. So a lot of what

556
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:39,599
people devised in terms of their own fantasies or in

557
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:47,119
terms of their own stimulus, emerged from within their own

558
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:53,679
imaginings and was informed by what other people suggested that

559
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:59,800
you know, they fantasized about or were interested in voyeuristically

560
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,920
or in terms of stimulus and things. So if you

561
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,559
had the ability to manipulate others anyway, you didn't really

562
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,599
have to move mountains to impress upon them with an

563
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:21,400
immersive experience, especially if there was real violence and depravity

564
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:25,920
behind it, if you follow what I mean. So that's

565
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,800
some Yeah, I mean, you've always got to keep zeitgeist

566
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,039
in mind, and you've always got to keep the epoch

567
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:34,159
in which events occur in mind when you're addressing the

568
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,639
impact on an observer or a participant or a an

569
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,159
actor to the proceedings under discussion or scrutiny. But that's

570
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,639
that's particularly significant in the era we're talking about what

571
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,320
the subject matter we're taught excuse me, we're talking about

572
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,719
if you follow my line of thought.

573
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 7: No, certainly, and I mean the power of sex and

574
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:08,840
violence to control people is We've understood this for a

575
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,599
long time, right if you look at even the kind

576
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:17,280
of Roman cults, right like there there was a recognized

577
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,360
power in these kind of sanguinary topics, right, you know,

578
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,199
whether whether it was kind of a ritual sacrifice of

579
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,400
you know, a bull or you're kind of a temple orgy,

580
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:31,719
there is a pull to that. And even you know,

581
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:38,840
the most kind of materialistic, you know, reddit brained legal

582
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,559
human can can point this out. I mean you look

583
00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,199
at conversations even something around like like Nixium, right that

584
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:52,039
that weird sex cult connected to the Weasner family. Uh,

585
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,079
it was just just you know, a normal thing for

586
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,840
a uh, you know, a rich person to be up

587
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,239
to the point is right, like that is a way

588
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,599
to to basically reshape the human psyche. And so you

589
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,840
you have this figure who is by all measures incredibly charismatic,

590
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,400
has the ability to bend people to his will just

591
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,920
due to force of personality. You know, he can can

592
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,239
meet a Chicago detective and basically move into his house.

593
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,119
And you combine that with the you know, the forces

594
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:28,800
you're mentioning, especially in a time which, as you said,

595
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,360
access to sex and violence was limited. You know, it

596
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,719
was not as ubiquitous as it is now. Well, yeah,

597
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,760
you can get people to do crazy things. And again

598
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:48,800
I think that when we're talking about ritual When we're

599
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,239
talking about you know, ritual murder, there's not like just

600
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:58,880
one simple explanation for what's going on. It's like, well,

601
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,360
is he crazy? It's like, get well, no, shit, he's crazy.

602
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:04,599
This isn't a normal thing to do. Is there a

603
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,760
like a spiritual religious component?

604
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:07,079
Speaker 4: Yes?

605
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,119
Speaker 7: Is there also the secondary component of like like this

606
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,360
is a way to bend people to your will? You know?

607
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,480
But obviously both the victim and your co conspirators, you know,

608
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,119
who are who have become kind of bonded in blood

609
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:24,800
to you, let alone kind of other factors as well.

610
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,159
If you see what I'm gidding at, Thomas, No.

611
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: Hundred percent and no, absolutely and more prosaically too. This

612
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,559
is in my mind the other day because this one

613
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:38,199
guy finally was granted post conviction relief I've been doing

614
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,239
thirty years and he he was this Navy guy. He

615
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,000
was in Navy Naval Special Warfare. He was going through

616
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,000
seal training and one of his buddies they were out

617
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:55,920
getting you know, getting shithous, and uh, the one guy

618
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,199
picked up some girl and they were sitting in the

619
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,280
car just kind of talk fucking, and his buddy's in

620
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,440
the back seat turns out his buddy, who was this

621
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:06,639
crazy kill freak, and he strangled the girl. And this

622
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,280
guy's looking at this like, oh my god, what the fuck.

623
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:15,119
So he got jammed up in a theory of accountability,

624
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,280
you know, basically a variation to oversimplify a fellony murder.

625
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,280
But people were like, what any decent man would running

626
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,519
the police. It's like, man, if I were that guy,

627
00:46:24,639 --> 00:46:26,199
I wouldn't know what the fuck to do. What am

628
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:28,000
I gonna do? Running the police stays and be like, oh,

629
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:31,159
my friend killed this girl. I didn't my friend did.

630
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:33,840
I've got a dead girl in my car, but I

631
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,480
didn't do anything. My friend's not gonna be traumatized if

632
00:46:36,519 --> 00:46:39,719
you witnessed that. Secondly, it's like, how do you explain that.

633
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,480
You can't explain that you're just gonna panic, you know,

634
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:49,000
or if you're if the reason why, you know, in

635
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,719
a case like the Ripper Crew, I mean got down.

636
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,199
He sought these guys out because he I believe he

637
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,599
detected Dvan tendancies in them, and he knew after a

638
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:05,239
while they they get drawn into it and spontaneously derived

639
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,679
satisfaction from it. But even that aside, even if you're

640
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:11,400
an upstanding guy, and a decent person does want to

641
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,639
hurt anybody, you know, Like I said, the fact pattern

642
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,239
that got this poor guy I just mentioned, you know,

643
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,000
down for thirty years. There's nothing you can do about that,

644
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,920
and there's no way to explain it. You know. I'd

645
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,840
like to think that I throw myself in the mercy

646
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,960
of the court and try and make my case because

647
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,960
that's what happened. And I don't lie about stuff. But

648
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,079
I don't know, man, I'd like to think I do that,

649
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,599
but I probably like not see shit and hope that

650
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,760
this never came up again and pray that God would understand.

651
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,880
You know. It's like, it's real. It's easier for people

652
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,679
to pass judgment on others when they're not in front

653
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,199
of those circumstances. I mean, don't get me wrong, man,

654
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,760
I've known a lot of disreputable people in my life,

655
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,840
and I'm associated with guys and girls I should not yet,

656
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,639
but I I owe my spidy senses always kind of

657
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,360
went nuts when I detected something seriously criminal is about

658
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:13,599
to happen, and I bounce, you know. But I think

659
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,119
I'm kind of a naturally I'm kind of a naturally

660
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:21,559
skittish person, you know, the means I got a spiritual

661
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:23,360
bond with casts, and I tell you to be nice

662
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,440
to the burden cat because I understand like what they

663
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,159
go through. I'm kind of perpetually nervous man, you know,

664
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,400
and it's like staved my wife, but because with me.

665
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,039
I don't mean to be abrupt on this, but I'm

666
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:40,079
I'm trying to record the much I can before I

667
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,400
leave tomorrow. And uh, I got a record from my

668
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:48,639
phaser in a minute, so I'm gonna I'm gonna raise

669
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,079
up and uh take a smoke break before I get

670
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:52,840
into that at my friend.

671
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,559
Speaker 7: Oh no worries, man.

672
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:55,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

673
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,559
Speaker 7: The series will continue once Thomas and I are back.

674
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,320
We've got a lot of ground to cover. Thank you

675
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
guys so much for all the support on this. It's

676
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,079
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