WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.639 --> 00:00:09.919 Investigation into the death of sixteen year old Jeannette di 2 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:14.400 Palma is focusing on elements of black witchcraft and Satan worship. 3 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:17.640 A review of death scene photos, according to reports, is 4 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:20.559 leading authorities to believe the girl's death may have been 5 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:24.280 in the nature of a sacrifice. Pieces of wood, at 6 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:26.920 first thought to be at the scene by chance, are 7 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:31.120 now seen as symbols. One researcher said two pieces of 8 00:00:31.160 --> 00:00:34.799 wood were crossed on the ground over her head. More 9 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:39.280 wood framed the body like a coffin. Another person who 10 00:00:39.359 --> 00:00:42.719 was there said, I guess if we were looking for signs, 11 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:44.000 they were there. 12 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.079 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to 13 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:51.000 Wicked and Grim. 14 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:59.359 A true crime podcast. Warning the following podcasts and material 15 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:24.079 intended more mature audience listeners. It's the final Countdom. 16 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:25.799 You're dude. 17 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:29.879 Did you like how I added the can opening into it? 18 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:30.760 It was it was good. 19 00:01:30.840 --> 00:01:32.799 Instead of like a little guitar solo, it was like 20 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:34.120 a beer solo. 21 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:38.760 Yeah, this is Ben's final week, and apparently we will 22 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:40.680 be fist pumping every day. 23 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:44.599 Fist bumping bumping. I mean, I'll fist pump, trust me, 24 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:46.799 and you're just like, yes, and you fist pump. 25 00:01:46.680 --> 00:01:50.480 You know. Okay, all of the above every day until 26 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:51.799 get done. 27 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.959 So, final day, final week at work, until I'm officially 28 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:59.760 full time creating media and stuff. AKA putting a lot 29 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:01.519 more effort into the podcast. 30 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:05.519 How freaking exciting, and aka also us spending a ridiculous 31 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:06.840 amount of time together. 32 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:09.560 Oh you're gonna love it, don't lie, you want it 33 00:02:09.759 --> 00:02:10.319 to happen. 34 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.800 I cannot even eat oreos in peace in this house. 35 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:15.960 Okay. You were eating an oreo and I asked you 36 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:18.560 a question and you were just like what, It's not 37 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:19.199 my fault. 38 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.240 You asked me, like about a physical activity to mountain 39 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.800 biking or something, And here I'm just trying to enjoy 40 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:28.000 this oreo, not thinking about you know, And apparently got 41 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:29.080 was hanging out and I'm just. 42 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:32.439 Ha, Yeah, you were just munching away. It was glorious. 43 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:34.400 That's married life right there. 44 00:02:34.319 --> 00:02:37.800 Pretty much. But yeah, living in a tiny home together 45 00:02:37.840 --> 00:02:41.319 pretty much twenty four to seven now, no separation, do jobs. 46 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:43.039 Yeah, I'm nervous. 47 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.360 And and I'm pretty sure we're not alone in the 48 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:46.879 tiny home. 49 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:50.800 No, holy shit, this is a new development in it 50 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:51.120 it is. 51 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.599 We recently had a discussion where we both realized we've 52 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:01.240 been seeing the same thing happening in front of our 53 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:02.360 front door, well. 54 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:04.280 In front of our gate more so, which is like 55 00:03:04.360 --> 00:03:07.719 right by our I guess the fence that leads to 56 00:03:07.759 --> 00:03:09.199 the gate that leads to the front door. 57 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:13.800 Yeah, so we've been out of the corner of our eye. 58 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.960 We both swear we see people or someone. 59 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:18.319 Walking by to the gate. 60 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:20.639 Yeah, and it's the same spot right to the gate, 61 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.439 but they never make it to the gate. We have 62 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:24.120 like a wine barrel there and it's like right by 63 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.960 the wine barrel. And we just had this revelation that 64 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:30.599 we both are actually seeing this. We're not just individually crazy, 65 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:31.439 we're crazy together. 66 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:33.840 Yeah, because I was thinking that, like I was. I 67 00:03:33.840 --> 00:03:35.639 hadn't even said anything to you. I just was like, 68 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.080 so many times I'm working because I work a lot 69 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.400 at this where it's kind of in view, I see it. 70 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.080 It's like out of the corner of my arm, Like, oh, 71 00:03:43.080 --> 00:03:45.240 that's so weird like that, I'm just always seeing something. 72 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:48.159 And I never brought it up to you. And then 73 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.000 we just on the weekend it came up because we 74 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.919 both saw it, yep. And then we're like, shit, you've 75 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.520 been actually seeing that more than once. 76 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.639 Yep. So I personally I'm a very big skeptic when 77 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:01.560 it comes to stuff. I love it, don't get me wrong. 78 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:02.840 I want to fucking dive in. I want to go 79 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:05.919 ghost hunting out on the front door now. But I'm 80 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.560 a skeptic, so I'm always trying to find the reason, 81 00:04:08.759 --> 00:04:10.000 plausible reasons. First. 82 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.719 Well, yeah, because so you suggest that it's a bird 83 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:13.439 flying by. 84 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.079 Yeah, because it's like a section where it makes sense 85 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:18.560 for birds to like fly by. 86 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:20.879 This time actual really, because I've never actually seen a 87 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:21.920 bird fly through there. 88 00:04:22.279 --> 00:04:24.199 But it makes sense though if you look at it, 89 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:26.600 because there's building where we're living in it, and then 90 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.399 there's like another shed on the other side, so there's 91 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:30.720 like a little driveway in between, and it makes sense 92 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.399 for the birds to fly down the driveway to the 93 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.879 tree line which goes past our gate. Right. 94 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:39.759 Yes, but the figure that we're seeing is much bigger 95 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:40.600 than a bird. 96 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:41.759 But we always see it out of the corner of 97 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:45.920 our eye. So my theory is it's our imagination putting 98 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:46.639 more to it. 99 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.279 I don't know. I think it's some sort of spirit 100 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:53.519 of sorts potentially, and it could. I don't think it's 101 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.720 of harm or anything or doing any harm. It could 102 00:04:55.720 --> 00:04:58.560 literally just be like a deceased love one or something 103 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.160 like who knows see it? No, you're looking out there 104 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:04.120 right now. I'm like, it's dark. Don't just don't see 105 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:04.639 it in the dark. 106 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:07.680 Because we're talking about it. I think we should put 107 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:10.079 a like a trail cam out there. 108 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:13.600 Oh that's what I think, or set up your video 109 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:14.720 camera that has. 110 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:18.800 The the night vision. Yeah, could the infrared. 111 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:21.800 But yeah, I don't think this, whatever it is, is 112 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:24.120 meaning any harm or anything. It could even be like 113 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:26.839 just keeping an eye on us. 114 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.040 Yet I'm not sold it's a spirit or an entity 115 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.279 like that. I think not a bird. I think it's 116 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.680 something that we're misinterpreting. I think it's a bird or 117 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:37.480 something like that. That's what I think. 118 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:38.720 That's a big ass bird. 119 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.120 Could be could be a fucking big ass bird. I 120 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.319 don't know. But yeah, this is gonna be something that 121 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.560 I'm sure we're gonna be talking about for for a 122 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:49.560 little while to come, as we're gonna well try and 123 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:50.279 figure this out. 124 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:51.879 It's a bit while, that's for sure. 125 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:56.480 Yeah. Anyways, moving on from the potential tiny home haunting, 126 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:59.360 we got some patrons to think, and we got a 127 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:00.240 whole whack load. 128 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:01.920 This week, We've got a big list, this. 129 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:09.120 Big a big quack load, emphasis on the hua wack quackload. Okay, 130 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:13.040 so starting with we got Chelsea Day, we have Paige Belvins, 131 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:20.720 we have Aragon PG Cricket, Summer, Angela Modeset, Ryan Belvins. 132 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.240 I'm wondering if Paige and and Ryan are related in 133 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:24.759 any any way of shape or form there. 134 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:27.000 Because he got the same last name potentially. 135 00:06:28.279 --> 00:06:33.480 And then Sarah Lindsay Maria Sherry Kawamoto. I really hope 136 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.480 I said that last name right, Kawamoto. 137 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:37.160 Oh, that sounds good. 138 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.959 I think sounds good like I pronounced it good. Yeah, 139 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.160 I think it just sounds like a good last name personally. 140 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:46.600 And then Julie Husk. It's either Husk or Husky. It's 141 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.079 felt like your typical Husky, but like just an e 142 00:06:49.199 --> 00:06:52.480 at the end instead. Okay, so I'm gonna go with Husk. 143 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.920 That's my guests. But yeah, so we have all those 144 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:57.759 people join up for Patreon this past week. 145 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:59.399 That's awesome. 146 00:06:59.600 --> 00:07:02.720 Starting next week, trust me, Patreon is going to start 147 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.079 being lit. There's gonna be a lot of stuff coming 148 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.120 on with us. It's gonna be lit. It's gonna be fire. 149 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:09.519 Yeah, well that will probably be one of the main 150 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.680 social media channels that you'll be focusing on. So is 151 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:13.879 that social media? 152 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.560 Patreon is a form of social media. Yeah, suppose it's 153 00:07:16.560 --> 00:07:21.560 a subscription based social media. 154 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:25.839 We're only in the intro here, right, Wow, I feel 155 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:27.839 like that's gonna be me because I'm I'm drinking my 156 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:30.120 Sleepy Time tea and I already feel like it's hitting. 157 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.680 Well, I'm sleeping. I'm drinking my Sleepy Time tea too. 158 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:34.720 It's the beer. 159 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.120 Does that actually make you sleepy? I'm not a beer person, 160 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:38.839 so I have no idea. 161 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.720 It definitely can. Yeah, it relaxes me. Right, you have 162 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:43.720 a drink, you just relax. 163 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:46.399 It's kind of like a glass of wine. It's because 164 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.000 I drink wine, so definitely. 165 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:51.040 Anyways, this has been a long intro. Should we get 166 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:54.279 into the case, let's get going, okay. So, as I 167 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:57.959 kind of eluded already in the uh the prelude intro piece, 168 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.720 this is one that's kind of to some of the 169 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:06.519 occult if you will, okay, you ready to dive in? 170 00:08:06.759 --> 00:08:07.920 I'm ready, okay. 171 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.879 So this is a story of Jeannette Depoma. So Jeannette 172 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:16.160 was born in August third, nineteen fifty six. She lived 173 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:18.759 a relatively good life in an upper middle class family 174 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:24.079 in her Springfield township, Union County, New Jersey. Her parents 175 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.160 and her siblings were all developed Christians. Along with her, 176 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.920 the whole family had a very strong religious moral type standing. Right. 177 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:35.639 So the family's home was perched on clear Water Road, 178 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:39.639 which home the neighborhood that could see the Manhattan City 179 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:40.759 skyline the horizon. 180 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:41.480 Nice. 181 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:45.000 Now, although you had this skyline view off in the distance, 182 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:47.320 their home was far enough away that they kind of 183 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.759 had that like slower lifestyle and the quiet suburb while 184 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.000 you had that city scape off of the distance. 185 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:54.759 That's the way to do it, one hundred percent. 186 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:56.960 You get that like cool view, the like you can 187 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:00.080 go to the city when you want enjoy the bustling life, 188 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:02.159 but then you just quiet down in your home life. 189 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:03.440 But then you get to chill at home. 190 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.559 Yeah, right, like that. It's like the perfect mix exactly. 191 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:08.720 Although I'm sure you'd still get like the smoggy smell 192 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:09.679 from cities. 193 00:09:10.039 --> 00:09:13.279 Yeah, and it would still be busy, but less busy. 194 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:17.519 Oh less busy is the key there for sure. So yeah, 195 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:21.720 it was just a nice place. It was honestly the 196 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:24.639 perfect place for a perfect family, if I do say so. 197 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:27.039 However, nothing's perfect. 198 00:09:27.279 --> 00:09:31.080 The word perfect is a very subjective word, and Jeannette 199 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.840 may not have fit that classification of a perfect person. 200 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.600 And by all rights, she wasn't a Hellian child or anything, 201 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:40.720 do get me wrong there either. She was just like 202 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:42.919 a normal sixteen year old girl who was trying to 203 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.200 find her way through life. And she's exploring the world 204 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.600 around her, you know, mischief. As young adults tend to 205 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:49.840 get themselves into, you know. 206 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:50.799 You kind of have to. 207 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.200 It's kind of how you learn who you are exactly. 208 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.440 I know myself at sixteen, I was beginning to go 209 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.679 out with friends, attends and parties. It's like harmless fun 210 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.840 at that and there's generally no ill will involved in 211 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:08.919 whatever your intentions or actions are, generally, and I mean 212 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.559 that was the same with Jeanette. She was just kind 213 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:15.440 of testing the proverbial waters of the world. Okay, So 214 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.840 this all brings us to Monday afternoon on August seventh, 215 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.639 nineteen seventy two. Jeanette was on her way out to 216 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.799 a friend's house. So she as a young adult who 217 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:29.200 was brought up with very good morals in a Christian home, 218 00:10:29.519 --> 00:10:31.720 went straight to her mom to inform her where she 219 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:34.600 would be, telling her, you know what, I'm heading out 220 00:10:34.639 --> 00:10:36.639 to her friends. I'm gonna be taking the train to 221 00:10:36.679 --> 00:10:39.440 get there, and that she'd come back that evening. 222 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:40.200 That's awesome. 223 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:43.279 Yeah, keeping those communication lines up, Yeah, I think it's 224 00:10:43.360 --> 00:10:44.000 very important. 225 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.240 Well yeah, and I mean because of that, because she 226 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.320 had those communication lines open, her mom was probably fine 227 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:49.960 with her going. 228 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.399 Yeah, exactly. And I know that was a big part 229 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:55.279 of me growing up. Like I just said, I was 230 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:58.720 partying a bit at sixteen. Stuff. I had those communication 231 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:01.360 lines open with my parents. They told me, Hey, you 232 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:03.879 know what, if you're out and it's like one am 233 00:11:03.960 --> 00:11:06.200 or something and you need a ride home, no questions, 234 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:07.960 asks asked, we will pick you up. 235 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:10.480 Yeah, call instead of trying to figure out a way 236 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:11.679 home that might not be safe. 237 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.279 Exactly. So that's the same sort of situation she's got 238 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:18.600 that good relationship, communication lines are open, She's gonna go 239 00:11:18.679 --> 00:11:19.679 have some fun. 240 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:21.360 And there there you go. 241 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:24.759 So with that all established, she said goodbye and she 242 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:29.120 headed out the front door. Jeanette never made it to 243 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:29.519 the party. 244 00:11:29.639 --> 00:11:30.840 Oh jeez. 245 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.200 Her mom was at home expecting her daughter to walk 246 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.200 in at any moment that evening, but it never happened. 247 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:40.480 The minutes ticked by, and she watched the front door. 248 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:44.799 The minutes turned into an hour, and then two and 249 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:48.799 then three, and then it rolled over into the next morning. 250 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:52.039 Of course, her mom during that time was growing more 251 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:55.120 and more worried for her daughter. Time is literally, I'm 252 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.600 sure slowing down with each passing minute, and she eventually 253 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:00.960 would call the police the next morning and report her 254 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.399 missing to the Springfield Police Department. 255 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.039 That makes my heart just sink, like right there. I mean, 256 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:11.279 parents are just have enough stress, right and then to 257 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.039 have to deal with that, Like I just think that's 258 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.320 probably just unfathomable. But like that's a reason to just 259 00:12:15.360 --> 00:12:16.080 not have kids. 260 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:19.759 I can't. I don't think I can comprehend the idea 261 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:23.720 on how uh stressful that would be in that situation 262 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:25.840 to just be wondering and waiting. 263 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.720 Yeah, I think it'd be horrid, like horrible. 264 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.279 Yeah, Yeah, I can't fathom. I really can't. 265 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.799 Yeah, let's just not I guess. Holy man. 266 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:39.440 Yeah. So, unfortunately, the weight wouldn't end soon. The family 267 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:43.240 prayed for her safety and her safe return day after day, 268 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:46.360 but no one had seen from her, and no one 269 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:50.759 had heard from her. It would be forty three days later, wow, 270 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:54.480 on September nineteenth, nineteen seventy two, that Jeanette's story would 271 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:56.240 finally begin to unravel. 272 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:58.200 Shit, that's a long time. 273 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:01.600 I mean, in the grand scheme of things, there's a 274 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:03.320 lot of people who were out there missing. 275 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:06.200 For you, way longer. Yeah, but decades. I'm still just thinking, 276 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:09.039 like this, mom, like that, forty three days of just agony, 277 00:13:09.080 --> 00:13:10.799 and then it's probably gonna just get worse here. 278 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:12.919 Yeah, forty three days of a parent waiting. 279 00:13:13.159 --> 00:13:15.879 It's a true crime podcast. What's next? What's going to 280 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:16.480 happen here? 281 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:20.840 Well, this would unravel when the police received a frantic 282 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.919 call from a woman. When they arrived at the scene, 283 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.279 and she told them the frightening story. See, this woman 284 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:29.279 had her dog out and they were running around in 285 00:13:29.279 --> 00:13:32.559 the wooded area near where she lived, and much like dogs, 286 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.960 do you know, it's kind of gallivanting around. So a 287 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.600 short time later, the dog would return, wagging its tail 288 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.039 and playing with a big stick or so it may 289 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.440 have looked like a big stick at first. Clar Oh gosh, 290 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:45.639 So she went out to take a closer look at 291 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.320 the dog. When it had brought back, and she got closer, 292 00:13:48.600 --> 00:13:53.080 her stomach dropped. Oh man, it wasn't a stick, so 293 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:55.840 she thought, well, it looks like a bone. Well it 294 00:13:55.879 --> 00:14:00.679 was a bone. She was looking at a human arm 295 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:06.639 wrotted away with fleshy bits mostly bones sticking out brutal. 296 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.000 Okay, so you kind of could see art. I was like, 297 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.919 in the woods right there, because our dogs have done this, right, Yeah, 298 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:17.360 but lots of times they're bringing back like an elk 299 00:14:17.399 --> 00:14:20.600 bone or like a moose bone or something from the woods. 300 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:23.919 Yeah. Well, we have wolves and bears, hunters and coyotes, 301 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.879 you name it. It's not abnormal to find animal bones 302 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:29.159 scattered through the woods around here. 303 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:33.559 No, so this has happened. Legitimately happened. So I was like, oh, like, 304 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:35.159 I would you even be able to tell? But I mean, 305 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:36.960 I guess it hasn't been that long. I would still 306 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:41.120 kind of have like a human arm formsh. 307 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.519 Well, let me describe this a little bit more to you, 308 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:46.840 and let's actually use Officer Schwartz description. 309 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:47.320 Okay. 310 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.320 They were actually one of the offers who arrived on 311 00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:53.240 the scene right after the call occurred, so they said 312 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:56.279 in the report quote, she took me to the rear 313 00:14:56.320 --> 00:14:58.919 door of her apartment, and in a bluish bag, she 314 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.519 handed me the arm of a female. The lower left 315 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:07.879 arm on the fingernails was a white nail polish. Wow, 316 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:11.440 clearly identifiable as a human arm. I'm assuming from the 317 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:16.600 description from the elbow down, hands, fingers, you name it, okay? 318 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.960 Can I actually actually just mention here that I'm I 319 00:15:19.960 --> 00:15:21.919 don't know why, but I was like surprised that she 320 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:24.679 took it home with her. I feel like I would 321 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:26.879 just well, it was leave it there. 322 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:29.519 It was like kind of the front lawn where the 323 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:31.840 dog brought it back, so it was like run off 324 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:33.840 in the wooded area by there, like right by her 325 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:35.120 house the dog came home. 326 00:15:35.679 --> 00:15:37.399 So I mean I would I would leave it there, 327 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.039 and I would notify someone just to clarify. But I'm like, 328 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:42.240 I don't think i'd be bringing that into my house 329 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:43.399 fair enough. 330 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:45.480 And I mean this is the seventies, so it's a 331 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:48.000 little little bit of a different era, but all in 332 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.039 the same. Yeah, I don't know if i'd be like 333 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:54.960 holding onto the thing either. Yeah, So who knows. From 334 00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:57.960 there though, search party was sent out and they scoured 335 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.519 the forest area known as hugh Dale quarry, and this 336 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:05.159 is where the dog was gallivanting before it returned with 337 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.759 the detached human limb. Okay, so the area is approximately 338 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.960 one hundred and twenty acres and is nicknamed the Devil's Teeth. 339 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:15.960 Wow, that's quite a nickname it is. 340 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:18.879 And I couldn't find exactly why it has this nickname. 341 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:21.679 And I don't know if it's still nicknamed this to 342 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:24.799 this day, but back then it did have this nickname. 343 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:26.840 But anyways, I do know it's kind of like a 344 00:16:26.879 --> 00:16:30.320 steeper rocky area, So I presume it's name such from 345 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:33.000 the sharp nature of the rocks and the hazardous trails 346 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.919 surrounding it. That makes sense, That's my assumption. Like, like 347 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.360 you said, it makes sense. That's kind of why I 348 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:39.879 went there. I'm like, well, I mean, what else is 349 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:42.399 there Unless there's literally a fucking demon about to eat 350 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:46.679 someone there? I got nothing else. So anyways, it wasn't 351 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:50.159 long before the search parties actually stumbled across their first. 352 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:55.320 Discovery, their first their first okay. 353 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.200 Their first discovery was an upper arm bone. 354 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.679 Okay, Okay, I was thinking, like, there's gonna be like 355 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.519 numerous bodies in here, but maybe just yeah. 356 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:08.400 Fits of after that, they had the rest of their discovery, okay, 357 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:10.319 And it was a little ways up that they found 358 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.119 the rest of the corpse laying face down, fully clothed, 359 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.599 in a small clearing at the top of a steep hill. 360 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.240 And this is where it gets a little more weird, 361 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.880 a little more I don't know what's the best word, 362 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:27.599 and I guess a cult, dark satanic, if you will. So, 363 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.319 according to several witnesses at the scene, the skeletal like 364 00:17:30.400 --> 00:17:33.960 remains that were found were surrounded by a series of 365 00:17:34.039 --> 00:17:39.359 strange and possibly quote occult objects. Descriptions vary from person 366 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.640 to person, but there are some very common claims regarding 367 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:47.240 how the body actually laid when it was discovered. For example, reportedly, 368 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.400 they found her laying inside a coffin shape perimeter of 369 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:56.359 fallen branches and logs. Then within this coffin shape perimeter 370 00:17:56.559 --> 00:18:01.839 there were several makeshift wooden crosses from branches and sticks. 371 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:06.079 Oh my gosh, hey, Like discovering a body would be 372 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:09.400 terrifying enough, like just terrifying. I don't know. I just 373 00:18:09.440 --> 00:18:12.880 hope I never have to have that happen. But to 374 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:15.920 find something where it was like displayed kind of. 375 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:18.480 Like that or just like this is some Blair witch. Shit. 376 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:21.359 Yeah, that would just hold that's neck, that would I 377 00:18:21.440 --> 00:18:22.680 would be freaked right out. 378 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:25.359 Yeah. Now there are other claims as well that tell 379 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.160 stories of pentagrams being found around the scene. 380 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:28.640 Wow. 381 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:31.240 And others even go as far as saying that the 382 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:35.880 remains of mutilated animals were found surrounding the found body. 383 00:18:36.279 --> 00:18:37.240 Holy shit. 384 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.720 So, of course, these stories were only fueled by the 385 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.319 fact that the remains were found in the area nicknamed 386 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:45.359 the Devil's Teeth. 387 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.799 Yeah, I mean that you could some rumors would probably start, right. 388 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.440 Oh, yeah, rumors started, let's say that. 389 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:54.240 Yeah. 390 00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:59.079 So the stories specifically, we're fed more and more in 391 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.039 rumors and rooms and which way in that way, and 392 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:06.720 things mixed up and just grew. Which a lot of 393 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.680 these stories were denied by law enforcement. Now, approximately two 394 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.119 weeks after the discovery, several newspapers, including the Newark Star 395 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:19.000 Ledger and the New York Daily News, began running stories 396 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:21.920 and reporting that the victim was a part of a 397 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.200 gruesome occult sacrifice. 398 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.079 Wow. That's brutal. 399 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.480 Yeah. Apparently the sacrifice was one that would have been 400 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:36.039 performed and carried out by course Satanists or potentially even 401 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:39.319