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Speaker 1: are you tonight? Hello?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Are you.
Speaker 1: Bad? I'm not bad. We're both we're both a little
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Speaker 1: we're going to just struggle through this and hope that
Speaker 1: your beauty carries us through. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you your initial entrance into any kind of the adult
Speaker 1: entertainment industry camming stripping point, what was your I done.
Speaker 2: It for me? It was stripping really, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I tried out camming actually like bury you
Speaker 2: like like freshly eighteen, but then I couldn't really like
Speaker 2: get my footing with it, so I started stripping and
Speaker 2: then full you know, full circle here we went back
Speaker 2: to content and camming and now I'm doing Born, so
Speaker 2: full circle with all that, with all of it.
Speaker 1: How old were you the first time you went and
Speaker 1: decided you were going to be a stripper.
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, okay, all right?
Speaker 1: So I mean I think about and there's no offense
Speaker 1: and you are still very young. I think about how
Speaker 1: kind of dull I was at eighteen years old? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: did you make? What was it? I it's hard to
Speaker 1: last fight because I've ten thousand questions rushing to my
Speaker 1: face all at once. Was it a higher end club
Speaker 1: or like a starter type club?
Speaker 2: For it was I would say like higher end. I
Speaker 2: mean I was in New Orleans, so it's there's a
Speaker 2: degree of higher end in New Orleans, right, But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like a dive. It wasn't like a little like
Speaker 2: truck stop club, which I have worked at those and
Speaker 2: they're actually fun. But I kind of went ahead first
Speaker 2: right into like the Larry Flint's Hustler Clubs in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: And then I went over to the pet House Club,
Speaker 2: So two very like big name clubs.
Speaker 1: What was something you didn't expect when you first entered
Speaker 1: into that. I've said this every interview I've done, because
Speaker 1: I've always begun with stripping for some reason. I think
Speaker 1: just a lot of performers start out in stripping, but
Speaker 1: I think strippers are the greatest salespeople outside of I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, pharmaceutical salesp or some redictus. Whoever's
Speaker 1: pumping oxygonton. They're doing fine, But I think strippers are
Speaker 1: just the best. At My favorite thing to see is
Speaker 1: a guy sitting in theer and he's like, I'm just
Speaker 1: here with my friends. I'm not gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have drinks, not doing anything. And then on this third
Speaker 1: trip to the ATM, I'm just like, oh, girl, got him,
Speaker 1: got them, got them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the thing for me, for me, like, what's
Speaker 2: shocked me the most, I think was how many people
Speaker 2: actually just wanted to hang out and just talk.
Speaker 1: You know. I hear that too. I hear girls say,
Speaker 1: I you know, the most I ever made was X
Speaker 1: amount of thousands of dollars and it was in a
Speaker 1: VIP room. I'm like, what must there? I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: it must have got fucking spicy in there. Tell me.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, he just wanted to talk and kind
Speaker 1: of like look at my feet for six hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have you had what what was like the weirdest request
Speaker 1: you ever got? If you had one? And again it's
Speaker 1: a higher end club, so it's probably not as fun
Speaker 1: as the truck stop club requests, But what was like
Speaker 1: the weirdest request you've ever gotten at the club?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think it was really like weird
Speaker 2: to me. That's why I'm like, I can't really I
Speaker 2: don't really know, like because I don't really I don't
Speaker 2: really think any think it was super weird. I would
Speaker 2: just say like, for the most part, like I think
Speaker 2: I always thought it was weird when like groups would
Speaker 2: come in and then they would all like be like no, no,
Speaker 2: don't don't look at me, look at him, and they'd
Speaker 2: just like pass you on and on, and then like
Speaker 2: you would get stuck with like this one guy who
Speaker 2: clearly did not want to be there, and like his
Speaker 2: friends are like telling you, like come on, force him
Speaker 2: like I'm like, I don't want to do that, don't
Speaker 2: like aggressive or like come on, like show him a
Speaker 2: good time. They hand me like two dollars. I would say, like,
Speaker 2: nothing was really weird. I just think it was weird
Speaker 2: when people would just kind of like push the girls
Speaker 2: like to the next one in their group because nobody
Speaker 2: wanted to spend money, but like they wanted all the
Speaker 2: attentional one. But I don't know, I just think it
Speaker 2: was very weird, you know, like it was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I don't want to be here. Like it was like
Speaker 2: I was like, are you gay? Like do you not
Speaker 2: like women? And one time changes life and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to change his life.
Speaker 1: I Uh, my wife and I were written together forever
Speaker 1: now right, and early on I quit my retail job
Speaker 1: and I took probably sick strip club rookies out with
Speaker 1: my wife to a fully nude Byob club in Philadelphia. Okay,
Speaker 1: I went down the line. At the end of the night,
Speaker 1: I everyone had dances except for me. All this go.
Speaker 1: They did a whipped cream show where you can pick
Speaker 1: two girls, you can pick which hole, and then the
Speaker 1: patrons can pay twenty dollars to lick it off. Which
Speaker 1: I always found a little on savory but fun. You know,
Speaker 1: all of them had licked it. Da da da da,
Speaker 1: this and that. I did the count at the end
Speaker 1: of the night. This person spent twenty dollars, this person
Speaker 1: spent thirty dollars, this person spent forty dollars, and I
Speaker 1: spent four hundred and sixty dollars at a shrimp club,
Speaker 1: having gotten no dances myself, just showing people a good time, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what a strip club is doing. Yeah. I hate
Speaker 1: when dudes are disrespectful or even like like.
Speaker 2: Oh, they suck so much from you, Like they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: you need change his life, you need to you know,
Speaker 2: make him read it getting married. You're like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not here to ruin a marriage.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm standing here gorgeous as I am and topless,
Speaker 1: possibly fully new. You don't have to keep passing me off.
Speaker 1: I'll just stand in the middle. You all stand there.
Speaker 2: Until somebody decides that they want me at this point
Speaker 2: or like yeah, I just like I always thought that
Speaker 2: was weird to me. It's like how everybody's like scared
Speaker 2: almost like initiate, you know, like they're like, oh, word,
Speaker 2: a strip club. I'm not going to be the one
Speaker 2: to get like like, okay, you know those are like
Speaker 2: a restaurant, like, I'm not. I'm not here to get food.
Speaker 2: I'm just here.
Speaker 1: Those are the same guys in your Twitter comments who
Speaker 1: are like, I'd folk you so much better, you know
Speaker 1: I would. The shyness of people like in person is
Speaker 1: shocking me. But you know you get a pretty girl game.
Speaker 2: You talk all that game. I'm sure, buddy, sure.
Speaker 1: So you tried camming first obviously didn't work out.
Speaker 2: It's freshly eight and I had no idea what I
Speaker 2: was getting myself into. I was just lost.
Speaker 1: So me let me ask you, and please only divulge
Speaker 1: what you're comfortable divulging here. But like no other plane,
Speaker 1: do you decide that you weren't going to do college
Speaker 1: or you did do college?
Speaker 2: I finished college.
Speaker 1: I got wonderful, wonderful Okay, So you did bachelers and marketing.
Speaker 2: I was I was stripping through college.
Speaker 1: Actually, right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So I was stripping through college and then I graduated
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Was there an intention to eventually use that marketing degree?
Speaker 1: Or would you would you like to have the money
Speaker 1: back that you spent on college.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would definitely like to have that money back
Speaker 2: as I'm paying off i Suter loans. I really own
Speaker 2: nine thousand. It's not that bad something. But I have
Speaker 2: friends who have ninety thousand.
Speaker 1: And I have friends who have two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I havely nine thousand or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think for me, like I just followed like the
Speaker 2: normal trajectory of like go to college, you know, do
Speaker 2: what everybody else doing. So I was doing that. And
Speaker 2: initially I went into college going into like science, I
Speaker 2: was I was like I was getting all of my
Speaker 2: general classes out of the way. But at that point,
Speaker 2: like so like I had committed to a certain degree
Speaker 2: subject whatever. But I started to doubt myself. And then
Speaker 2: I had all these friends in like the business school
Speaker 2: inside and they're like, oh, so easy ball. I'm like
Speaker 2: it's so versatile, and I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was like, I guess I'll just do something that
Speaker 2: like I feel like I could fall back on it
Speaker 2: if I needed, like something just simple, right, not something
Speaker 2: like stressful. Also, like I just didn't know what I
Speaker 2: wanted to do. So as I was in college. I
Speaker 2: didn't really know what my plan was. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to finish when I started, right, So I was like,
Speaker 2: let me just finish and then figure it out and
Speaker 2: then now I'm important.
Speaker 1: Well you know what though, I mean from my perspective,
Speaker 1: I think you picked just about the best major for
Speaker 1: this industry for sure. But I would suggest any new
Speaker 1: girls coming into it looking if you are like committed
Speaker 1: like Haley was here finishing college, go go to school
Speaker 1: for marketing, and my advice take all your electives as
Speaker 1: like Adobe, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, shit like that.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have done stuff like that, right right.
Speaker 1: This what I want to talk about your content later
Speaker 1: because I'm a little shocked in a good way by something,
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that in the second segment. But yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, it's just like your job is equal part
Speaker 1: sex and equal part marketing. It feels like pushing yourself
Speaker 1: out there because you can have the best, most incredible,
Speaker 1: sexiest scenes in the world and if they get six
Speaker 1: views somewhere, it doesn't mean shit. Right, So how do
Speaker 1: you make sure do you do collaborations with only other
Speaker 1: mainstream people or other content creators, like if you found
Speaker 1: the content creator who maybe isn't mainstream but has a
Speaker 1: breadth of work, you know, something they could really show.
Speaker 1: Would you be comfortable working with that person? I don't.
Speaker 2: Actually, I only work with established professional usually I've already
Speaker 2: met on like a mainstream set, right, so I see
Speaker 2: how this person is like, and I see how how
Speaker 2: they act towards me, and I see their character, right
Speaker 2: instead of just being like, oh, this person's online, like
Speaker 2: they have this many follower like to me, I if
Speaker 2: I'm not comfortable, if I don't feel like I want
Speaker 2: to actually shoot with somebody, like, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: force it just because like, oh I need to keep
Speaker 2: pumping out content. So I really only stick to mainstream
Speaker 2: performers that I have already worked with professionally. And the
Speaker 2: only person I there's two people that I uh didn't
Speaker 2: follow that like little Guideline for myself. It was Johnny
Speaker 2: Sin's okay and Vince Carter. So those are the two
Speaker 2: performers that like I just was like, yeah, I'll shoot
Speaker 2: contact with you. Sure I never met them like on
Speaker 2: like a set, so but like those are like you know,
Speaker 2: like that's not like, uh, mister Joe in the middle
Speaker 2: of I don't know Sacramento that has ten followers. It's
Speaker 2: like I'm just trying to get my footing, Like no,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, say Joe and Sacramento had four hundred thousand
Speaker 1: followers and in only fans in the top one percent
Speaker 1: with girls who shoots with and you know another factor
Speaker 1: that would make you possibly say yes, is there yours?
Speaker 2: Or just because I would, I wouldn't say yes wonderfully
Speaker 2: like I would I yeah, I would be like, you know,
Speaker 2: like I don't know you. And also like in this
Speaker 2: day and age, I feel like a lot of people
Speaker 2: buy their followers and a lot of it's not organic, right,
Speaker 2: So I don't like to just go off followers. And
Speaker 2: I also like to look at their content like is
Speaker 2: this even like something I want to have on the
Speaker 2: internet with this person, like if it's like I don't know,
Speaker 2: if it's too too amateur for me? Like and that's
Speaker 2: that goes as like a whole like not just like
Speaker 2: people I don't know, but like if I know somebody
Speaker 2: but I don't like their content style, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna shoot, I'm not gonna just not gonna
Speaker 2: do it right. I I have a brand, right, and
Speaker 2: I have an image that I want to put out there,
Speaker 2: and if I feel like it's going to not benefit me,
Speaker 2: I'd rather not. Like I don't need to just keep
Speaker 2: the wheels turning, right, We don't need to keep turning
Speaker 2: the butter just.
Speaker 1: To do it right, right? Yeah? Yeah, don't make content
Speaker 1: just to make content, you know, make which again was
Speaker 1: the part that I was surprised about, which I'd like
Speaker 1: to talk to about later. Is your content is I
Speaker 1: think the highest quality I've ever seen. We'll we'll we'll
Speaker 1: delve into that a little more when we talk about
Speaker 1: your scenes and stuff like that. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this again. Only say what you're willing to say.
Speaker 1: Did you grow u uh okay New Orleans? You said, yes, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: I don't. I've never been to New Orleans. I have
Speaker 1: no idea. Are there smaller portions or is it all
Speaker 1: just New Orleans?
Speaker 2: I mean New Orleans is New Orleans, right, I mean
Speaker 2: I grew up in those suburbs, so like about twenty
Speaker 2: minutes north of New Orleans and manded it like on
Speaker 2: the Ore Shore. So like if people know the area,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh yeah, I know exactly where that is.
Speaker 2: So but like we all say like the New Orleans
Speaker 2: Metro kind of like you know, like LA could be
Speaker 2: in like the valley. It could mean to some people
Speaker 2: Sam Bernardino or oh see, like they could say LA
Speaker 2: is like a general.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? So how many guys from your high school
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Speaker 2: I could imagine a lot because I actually I actually
Speaker 2: get people from college and from high school that messaged
Speaker 2: me and they're like, oh my god, there's somebody that
Speaker 2: messages me all the time on Twitter and they're like
Speaker 2: this person was like, oh my god, I should have
Speaker 2: I should have shot my shot with you when I
Speaker 2: sat behind you in this class. So I definitely get
Speaker 2: a lot of those people. I think most of them
Speaker 2: are too shy, but I mean there's some that are
Speaker 2: like I sat right behind you in this schools.
Speaker 1: I do another show called Brand New Faces, where I
Speaker 1: reach out and find new performers who are you know,
Speaker 1: I can tell or committed because they're making content, but
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of followers. They don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of so I try and use a little
Speaker 1: bit of my audience to bring some people to them,
Speaker 1: and I always tell them I think it's the funniest thing.
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Speaker 1: know you have to be committed. You sure to be committed.
Speaker 1: H yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But if you do that,
Speaker 1: I think you would just immediately get some I always
Speaker 1: find that so funny.
Speaker 2: Were you you know the curiosity that people have naturally,
Speaker 2: you know, they're like, oh, I want to see.
Speaker 1: Were you a cool kid? Were you a nerd? Were
Speaker 1: you fun? Were you athletic? What were you?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think it was any of those.
Speaker 2: I was just kind of like there, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: like I didn't I didn't fall into like a certain
Speaker 2: category when I like in like school right growing up,
Speaker 2: I never really did. I didn't do sports. I wasn't
Speaker 2: like a nerd. I wasn't like the super popular person.
Speaker 1: I was just like there, yeah, So did you have
Speaker 1: a good high school experience?
Speaker 2: All right? I mean I didn't have my you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't reach my peak in high school, all right.
Speaker 2: But I had a really sweet high school sweetheart who
Speaker 2: was a little bit popular. So I was like with
Speaker 2: the popular crop, I wasn't popular. Just there. I mean
Speaker 2: I had a generally like I couldn't say it was
Speaker 2: a bad experience, but I definitely I don't know, it was.
Speaker 1: Just high school. No, yeah, yeah, I've always heard horrors.
Speaker 1: I've heard horror stories about two things that I've never
Speaker 1: had a horror story on high school and the DMV.
Speaker 1: DMV has always been fine for me. Every time I horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna wa yeah yeah, yeah, well no, no,
Speaker 2: not a horror.
Speaker 1: I just I just people always like, oh, I got
Speaker 1: stuck in this group as I floated them, Hey nerds,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you for a little bit cool guys,
Speaker 1: athlete whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have like, yeah, I didn't have a
Speaker 2: certain click surely, so I was just like I'm here.
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Speaker 1: of a nerd when you were younger, because your tech,
Speaker 1: all of your tech is fucking top.
Speaker 2: I was a gamer when I was younger. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: really like say I was a nerd.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't want to call you a nerd.
Speaker 2: But I have like a piece. I mean, I'm okay
Speaker 2: with being a nerd, but I just I didn't really
Speaker 2: fit like the nerd the category. But I yeah, so
Speaker 2: I when I started Only Fans, I was like, if
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make content, I need to look good, right,
Speaker 2: And I was just that was like something I initially
Speaker 2: like took very seriously from the start. You know, I
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not gonna put out something where I
Speaker 2: feel like it's not flattering, it doesn't look good, like
Speaker 2: especially like seeing me in such like a vulnerable like light,
Speaker 2: like I'm naked and I'm getting fucked. I don't want
Speaker 2: it to look.
Speaker 1: Bad, right, right, What was your first break when you
Speaker 1: realized like, oh, this is this is gonna gonna work,
Speaker 1: Like this is really gonna work. This is not gonna
Speaker 1: be Like when did you first get like ten thousand
Speaker 1: followers in a day and you were just like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I am blasting off here.
Speaker 2: Well, I I think I only had around like I
Speaker 2: had less than twenty thousand when I joined porn when
Speaker 2: I was just doing content. But I think like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to like I'm trying to like piece it together
Speaker 2: because I always got like a lot of like followers
Speaker 2: when I shot for companies like Browsers, right, So I
Speaker 2: think as soon as I saw like I think it
Speaker 2: was like a ten or twenty thousand jumping like a day,
Speaker 2: I was like whoa, But it was like people like
Speaker 2: me and so like I just kind of stuck with
Speaker 2: it because I was always busy and I'm still to
Speaker 2: this day three and a half years in very busy sale.
Speaker 1: So yeah, is that what you just keep yourself busy though?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, is that how you stay sane? Again,
Speaker 1: I told you, I have like twenty interviews the rest
Speaker 1: of this week, plus a day job, plus my wife
Speaker 1: is having surgery in two weeks, so we have doctor's appointments.
Speaker 1: But I feel like if I'm just sitting around, I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm wasting. Like I could be editing something,
Speaker 1: I could be looking at something, I could be sending
Speaker 1: emails out to somebody trying to book them. It seems
Speaker 1: like you're a very driven person, right Yeah.
Speaker 2: But with that though, does come burnout. So for me,
Speaker 2: I have to find like the balance, and that's something
Speaker 2: I'm still to this day, like figuring out I'd like
Speaker 2: to say busy obviously, who doesn't Who likes I like
Speaker 2: having like something that I'm like working towards, like having
Speaker 2: a goal, Like I just like accomplishing things right, And
Speaker 2: so for me, if I if I go too hard though,
Speaker 2: I will like eventually just like completely be like I
Speaker 2: don't even want to shoot for a month, which is
Speaker 2: what happened in March. I did not shoot the entire
Speaker 2: month of March because I just went so hard in February.
Speaker 2: While I was in Europe, I was shooting almost every day.
Speaker 2: I was doing a lot of deep, a lot of
Speaker 2: anal and so when I got back to the States,
Speaker 2: I was like nobody even look at you know, like
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to create content like I I
Speaker 2: was just like very like drain. I was just happy
Speaker 2: to be home. And I was like I was very
Speaker 2: like happy, and you know, I loved being busy. But man,
Speaker 2: the burnout I had I was pretty bad. And like
Speaker 2: even going into April it was started to get better,
Speaker 2: like I started shooting again, but even then, I feel
Speaker 2: like it took may like this month when I was
Speaker 2: like ready to start going ham again, right.
Speaker 1: And that's just a feeling where you're just kind of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but for me, when I get to
Speaker 1: that level, I'm just kind of like I got to
Speaker 1: do something, like something, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I gave myself like two months to kind of like
Speaker 2: fuck off, and I was okay, okay. I was like, yeah, Hayley,
Speaker 2: you need to get your shit together a good.
Speaker 1: So you said you was shooting over in Europe. I
Speaker 1: see a lot of girls go to shoot over in Europe?
Speaker 1: Is that who's that with?
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of agencies. I'm free agent here
Speaker 2: in the States, I used to have an agent, but
Speaker 2: I am free agent here. I'm fully self booking, so
Speaker 2: I handle all my own bookings. But when I wanted
Speaker 2: to go to Europe, I had to like reach out
Speaker 2: to the few agencies that are over there and see
Speaker 2: who wanted to represent me. All of them did. I
Speaker 2: ended up settling basically on one real Babes and they've
Speaker 2: been the best to me and they get me so
Speaker 2: much work. But I was able to self book something there,
Speaker 2: but for the most part it was all through real
Speaker 2: babes or Nicky's Models.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I don't think women understand how much coming
Speaker 1: into this industry work is also into it. At some
Speaker 1: times that wasn't really a sentence. I'm also having burnout
Speaker 1: as well. I don't think some women realize how much
Speaker 1: work actually goes into it. Some I've interviewed a lot
Speaker 1: of like hot eighteen nineteen year old girls who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll come in, I'll post a couple pictures
Speaker 1: of myself and then I'll just get fifty thousand followers
Speaker 1: and top one percent and blah blah blah. And can
Speaker 1: you please explain to everybody listening as I do every episode,
Speaker 1: how much work actually goes in before you start hiring
Speaker 1: agents or I don't know if you do a social
Speaker 1: media manager or anything like that, but how much work is
Speaker 1: involved prior to all of those things.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's so much work first, I would say, I mean,
Speaker 2: getting an agent, I would say was probably the first
Speaker 2: thing I did when I joined the porn right because like,
Speaker 2: how are you how are you even gonna get your
Speaker 2: name out there and experience, you know, like actually being
Speaker 2: in front of the camera. But I think from there
Speaker 2: people don't realize like, Okay, like I have to be professional,
Speaker 2: I have to build rapport, I have to build relationship
Speaker 2: relationships within this industry. And then I also need to
Speaker 2: like stay relevant, you know, and I gotta like, like
Speaker 2: could like continue to produce content and also promote yourself
Speaker 2: and because you don't want to get lost like in
Speaker 2: the background, and then building those interpersonal relationships in the
Speaker 2: industry is actually so so important. I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many times I get told wow, your breath of
Speaker 2: fresh air, like like you show up on time, you
Speaker 2: come here, you have a great attitude versus like girls
Speaker 2: or like I don't want to see like girls, Like
Speaker 2: people who are in the industry as a whole, they
Speaker 2: might like show up like I don't know, rying because
Speaker 2: like they like thirty minutes like crying, so like my
Speaker 2: my partner was yelling at me and then they're like
Speaker 2: they're like a whole mess like on and like they're
Speaker 2: just like frantic and like for me, I'm like no,
Speaker 2: I'm like and I think so I would I would
Speaker 2: say that's actually one of the biggest things that I
Speaker 2: find is something like I have something that matters in
Speaker 2: the industry, and that's something that takes a lot of work.
Speaker 2: Like like so going to these agents in Europe, I
Speaker 2: had like they gonna know who I was, but like
Speaker 2: they were able to like do some research on me
Speaker 2: and they were like okay, yeah, like we'll get you booking.
Speaker 2: So they were taking a gamble on me. And and
Speaker 2: if you burn bridges, you're it's very hard to build
Speaker 2: that bridge back.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I would say I would say that's
Speaker 2: like the hardest thing like people don't realize like it.
Speaker 2: You actually need to be like a kind, professional, respectful
Speaker 2: person to even get anywhere in the industry.
Speaker 1: And that's what people don't realize so much. I think
Speaker 1: I agree with the one thousand percent I did. I
Speaker 1: started the show by cold emailing like five hundred different performers.
Speaker 1: One pr agent saw we were doing stuff than the
Speaker 1: next PR agent. Once they're people, and then it just grows,
Speaker 1: you know, But it's so funny. I always I just
Speaker 1: love hearing people be like porns so easy. Look how
Speaker 1: lazy this girl is. So what you're telling me is
Speaker 1: you have to perform a talent on camera. You then
Speaker 1: have to do all of your own marketing and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. If you don't again, if you don't have
Speaker 1: a manager, uh, you yourself are a free agent self booking.
Speaker 1: So you have to make sure all that shit's lined up.
Speaker 1: You have to ensure all the editing and everything like
Speaker 1: that production wise is done. But then also how about
Speaker 1: the admin work, making sure everything's signed, making sure everything's
Speaker 1: uploaded properly. Easy job, Hale, a real easy job. I
Speaker 1: can't believe you're so lazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then making sure everybody like you know you're
Speaker 2: on like good terms of people. I mean, to some
Speaker 2: people that's important, but to me, I think that's I
Speaker 2: think it's so important. Like when I see people just
Speaker 2: basically like go off on the deep end, like on
Speaker 2: social media or like getting into fights or just like
Speaker 2: you know, like bashing each other, I'm like, you, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? I'm like, why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: Because to be like, that's it's one of the main
Speaker 2: reasons too, Like I don't really like socializing so much
Speaker 2: within the industry because I find that not everybody's on
Speaker 2: that same professional like level that I hate to say,
Speaker 2: like my professional level. They're nowhere near.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: But it's true though, like because for me, it's like
Speaker 2: I just see so much happening and I can't really
Speaker 2: like relate. Like to me, like drama's not important. What's
Speaker 2: important is building good work relationships. And you know that's
Speaker 2: what's gonna get you the furthest I think, like it's networking.
Speaker 2: So if you if you if you can't network, if
Speaker 2: you can't talk your way you're basically and make people
Speaker 2: like you enough to climb, you're gonna have a really
Speaker 2: hard time climbing.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, all right, we're gonna take one more break
Speaker 1: care we'll come back with my guess, Hailey Spades. Make
Speaker 1: sure you check the episode description for links to all
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Speaker 1: Com, and we're back my guest today Haley Spades and
Speaker 1: on Only Fans at Haley spades. Are you good with letters, Haley,
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Yeah, it's a ridiculous question. Yes,
Speaker 1: like letters, but like mail? No, no, no, like just
Speaker 1: ABC letters. Yeah, okay, all right, all right, then let's
Speaker 1: play it lude letters. Have you ever played S categories before?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm going to give you a question.
Speaker 1: You give me the answer. That's generally how games work.
Speaker 1: But it's a short question. It'll be something like a
Speaker 1: name a car company. Okay, go ahead, name a car, Alexis,
Speaker 1: name a type of phone iPhone. There you go, boom
Speaker 1: two for two right there. The problem is your answer
Speaker 1: can only begin with one letter. Okay, all ten questions.
Speaker 1: Your letter was randomly selected before the show. It's s
Speaker 1: as in spades. Okay, okay, you'll have, because I'm not
Speaker 1: a hack doing things for attention, sixty nine seconds on
Speaker 1: the clock to answer ten questions correctly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? Time. It will start at the end of the
Speaker 1: first question. Everything you say from this point on can
Speaker 1: only begin with S. Nah real bad, yeah, yeah, yeah. Three?
Speaker 1: Two Name a sex position or act standing, name something
Speaker 1: to drink, sprite, name a body part to come on,
Speaker 1: shin a female, name.
Speaker 2: Thearrah.
Speaker 1: Name a porn website. Uh shit, Oh no, I don't
Speaker 1: know that. Ship dot com qualifies. You can pass. We'll
Speaker 1: come back to it. We'll come back to it. Number six.
Speaker 1: Name a fashion brand?
Speaker 2: Uh uh Sephorah, No, no, no, no, let's make up.
Speaker 1: Next one. Something you like about a male performer a
Speaker 1: bright s sucks ten seconds left? Name of food brand?
Speaker 1: Five or three?
Speaker 4: Two?
Speaker 3: Tough?
Speaker 1: I just I'll count it. I'll count it still versus good,
Speaker 1: tough day to be hungover. So let's see. Uh you
Speaker 1: said shin for name of body part to come on,
Speaker 1: I had a smile, scalp or skin. Uh. Name a
Speaker 1: porn website smashed dot x x x. I believe you
Speaker 1: were on that.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think I was on that. It
Speaker 2: was like one of the new teams on New Biles. Uh.
Speaker 1: Name a fashion brand Steve Madden speary.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Two words, yeah, it begins with the ass.
Speaker 2: He used that it can't be two words? Is it
Speaker 2: had to be one word?
Speaker 1: Well? I never I never said the word too. I
Speaker 1: did not go back and listen to one word. I said,
Speaker 1: it's a short answer. Something you like about a male
Speaker 1: performer his smile. Maybe I don't know. It begins with
Speaker 1: an as name a food brand. You said, stove for spam,
Speaker 1: skippy smuckersok.
Speaker 2: A while I was like, it was like, I don't cook.
Speaker 1: So for a tie breaker. According to i a f
Speaker 1: d dot com, which is the Internet Adult Film database
Speaker 1: as of this record, how many male performers have you
Speaker 1: worked with?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he asked me how many restaurants I've
Speaker 2: eaten that it.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna do closest to it now. I'm gonna say, uh,
Speaker 1: seventy ninety four.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a lot. I was gonna say one hundred.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1: Let the nuns know, all right, so let's make them happy.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the content. You just shot a scene
Speaker 1: that I assume you had to sit on a bag
Speaker 1: of frozen peas for at the end of it. I
Speaker 1: saw it on your Twitter today.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, what actually pretty good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh I you know, I don't think it's going
Speaker 1: to be a bad scene at all with the talent.
Speaker 2: No, Like I was good though we didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: have any injuries. I actually the day after that, I
Speaker 2: flew to Miami for ex visit everybody was like, are
Speaker 2: you destroyed? Actually, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Do you what is the biology of that? You appear
Speaker 1: to be tiny, tiny, tiny? I don't know how kay
Speaker 1: skow tall you are. I'm four foot eight. That's Are
Speaker 1: you legal? Can you get like a parking permit for that?
Speaker 2: I could if I wanted. I don't want to go
Speaker 2: to like to the doctor and fill out a bunch
Speaker 2: of paperwork.
Speaker 1: It's just it's okay, I'll park a little further away,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so serious.
Speaker 1: And do you know how insulting it would be if
Speaker 1: the gorgeous Hailey Spades got out of a fucking handicapped
Speaker 1: spot while some lady in a wheelchair was looking for
Speaker 1: a spot. That would be terrible.
Speaker 2: I would feel bad, Yeah, I would feel bad, but.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So for me anal, it's just I feel like I
Speaker 2: can take bigger dig easier. I think my body like
Speaker 2: my anatomy, right, And also it feels better.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from so many It's like something happened
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one or twenty twenty one, where
Speaker 1: like every girl I've been interviewing since then, I went
Speaker 1: to Catholic school for twelve years. Okay, Anna was like,
Speaker 1: away you kind of get out of you know, pissing off.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every girl I've talked too recently, He's just like,
Speaker 1: ay know, so much easier. And I'm just like I
Speaker 1: understand the physics of it. You only go so deep
Speaker 1: here and you go, you know, all the way up
Speaker 1: to your mouth over here. But at some point, don't
Speaker 1: you feel like your organs are being rearranged?
Speaker 2: No, because the dick can't. Well, I feel like my
Speaker 2: organs are being more rearranged when it's in my pussy,
Speaker 2: like I for me, I actually like yeah, like like
Speaker 2: I get more sore in my pussy than actually in
Speaker 2: my ass, and then I just feel like I enter
Speaker 2: a different mindset when it's in my ass, and I
Speaker 2: just I feel like it just it does feel completely
Speaker 2: different and it feels better for me. It really does.
Speaker 2: And that was a surprise. Actually when I started doing anal,
Speaker 2: I was like WHOA. I was like, oh A, new
Speaker 2: worlds And like when I shoot DP is like I
Speaker 2: I love DP. I prefer dep over anal by itself,
Speaker 2: but I do feel like the contrast and like how
Speaker 2: it feels when a dick is in my pussy and
Speaker 2: my assy, like when it's like that close together, right,
Speaker 2: like back and forth like the same time, I'm like,
Speaker 2: you usually look like it hurts the moviment in my
Speaker 2: pussy and it's a big dick. It takes me a
Speaker 2: little bit longer, I guess to adjust like it happens,
Speaker 2: but like at first, like it's not comfortable, but I
Speaker 2: feel like in my ass it's also probably because I've
Speaker 2: just done a lot of anal training, right, but also
Speaker 2: like I'm more comfortable with anal, so I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm just able to relax and I can just handle
Speaker 2: bigger dick in my gass.
Speaker 1: What entails anal training? Is it just different plug sizes?
Speaker 1: Like are you the same thing as like gauging your ears?
Speaker 1: Are you working your way up? Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then uh so yeah. I would use like dilaty plugs.
Speaker 2: And then I started practicing like like anal with like
Speaker 2: uh boyfriend Dix basically like like the like like with performers.
Speaker 2: I would be like dicks, some were not intimidating, They're
Speaker 2: not dread just like a normal dick. I was like,
Speaker 2: do you want to put it in my ass? And
Speaker 2: just like you please want to fuck my ass? And
Speaker 2: like no, no, No.
Speaker 1: That I would be funny, be like, no, my uddy, you'll
Speaker 1: do a passer over there, just like the clubs early on.
Speaker 1: He'll do it, he'll do it. No, get him, he's
Speaker 1: the birthday boy. Let him fuck. He wants to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's how I like started doing it. You know,
Speaker 2: I just kind of worked my way up and I
Speaker 2: took my time, and I was not in a rush
Speaker 2: to hit any major like oh, like taking dread for
Speaker 2: your first anal.
Speaker 1: I was not.
Speaker 2: It was not a goal of mine. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to actually enjoy my anal journey.
Speaker 1: Do you have milestones you want to hit? Though? Because
Speaker 1: I love I love the artist aspect where to me,
Speaker 1: I agree the same thing. I am not thinking about
Speaker 1: my next however many interviews. My concentration is right now,
Speaker 1: talk to Haley Spades, get the best possible content I
Speaker 1: can out of this. So, yeah, do you have milestones
Speaker 1: you want to hit though? Like I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. I only want to
Speaker 1: talk to you right now. I don't think about getting
Speaker 1: this person on. Getting this person on eventually, it's awesome
Speaker 1: when it comes down the line. But if you keep
Speaker 1: making quality content people will stay around. Do you have
Speaker 1: milestones you try and reach for?
Speaker 2: Man, I don't really think I have like a specific milestone,
Speaker 2: because I, for one, I just want to keep pushing myself,
Speaker 2: like I want to see how far. Like That's why
Speaker 2: I went to Europe, right, I just want to see it.
Speaker 2: And like I don't mean like, oh my God, like
Speaker 2: piss all over there. I don't mean like super hardbore.
Speaker 2: I just mean like I want to see like how
Speaker 2: far I can actually go. And because I'm always surprising myself,
Speaker 2: so I think I'm always trying to keep myself surprised.
Speaker 2: Like I'm like in Europe, I did my first double badge.
Speaker 2: Didn't plan on doing that, but I did it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I did my first double badge, right,
Speaker 2: And it's I think for me, is like a milestone
Speaker 2: and just be like I need to keep one upping myself.
Speaker 1: What's the okay? So if it's not a milestone, what's
Speaker 1: the next type of scene that maybe you haven't shot yet,
Speaker 1: or that you're interested in shooting that you really want
Speaker 1: to like, talk my agent as soon as something.
Speaker 6: Okay, I love you. I have a real I Ever
Speaker 6: since I was little, I was like I really love
Speaker 6: a facial It always just like makes me excited to
Speaker 6: see that. I don't know if it's the contrast, it's
Speaker 6: not the humiliation that's my thing.
Speaker 1: So bukaki is just like it's it at once. It's great.
Speaker 1: I actually interviewed Jim Powers, the director from the late
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousands who brought Bukkaki to the United States,
Speaker 1: as I believe it was a Japanese practice prior to that.
Speaker 1: You're a gamer girl. What kind of guys do you
Speaker 1: get hitting you up? Because a lot of your brand
Speaker 1: is is your brand to me is like cute, tiny
Speaker 1: can apparently take monstrous things inside your body, but also
Speaker 1: like cool, like you have gamer You said you know
Speaker 1: gamer girl, right right, So do you have gamer guys?
Speaker 1: Like do you do customs? I should ask? Or do
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean for the most part, I think I do
Speaker 2: appeal to like the whole stepsister realm I get. I
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest type of request. I guess they
Speaker 2: do like step family things, So I guess I would.
Speaker 2: It sounds like I probably have a younger like audience.
Speaker 1: Like for sure twenties maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wouldn't really say like, oh, like they're nerdy,
Speaker 2: their gamer. It's mainly everybody's like I want you to
Speaker 2: pretend to be my stepsister.
Speaker 1: Do you okay not to fuck up your business at all?
Speaker 1: Do you like the step sister? Do you like this
Speaker 1: step thing? Okay, very vocal about it.
Speaker 2: How I do not like it? Actually, that's actually why
Speaker 2: I started doing anal too. I got so sick and
Speaker 2: tired of stepsister, stepsister, stepdaughter, step I don't know, step cousin.
Speaker 2: I was a step cousin, went you know, I got
Speaker 2: so sick.
Speaker 1: Step cousin three times removed, Like how far away are
Speaker 1: we getting from the family line here? When does it
Speaker 1: become not taboo anymore? Got sorry? I apologize you were
Speaker 1: getting so sick of it.
Speaker 2: I was getting so sick of it, and like I
Speaker 2: get it, it's a big market, but I think it's
Speaker 2: so overdone. And I don't even mean like oh like
Speaker 2: it's the same thing over and over. I just mean
Speaker 2: like I am wasting my time if I'm rinse and
Speaker 2: repeating the same fucking thing. Otherwise, like you're not seeing
Speaker 2: my full potential if I'm just doing this fucking same
Speaker 2: thing over and over and over. So for me. I
Speaker 2: feel like the step family thing is very isolating. It
Speaker 2: puts you in like it's this tight little box. It's
Speaker 2: very hard to get out of that, and it can
Speaker 2: just get so fucking old, you know, and it's like
Speaker 2: it's like, I know there's a market for it, but
Speaker 2: like I think it just becomes like a certain point
Speaker 2: where like like when I'm showing up to a set
Speaker 2: and I'm handed a script and I see step I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Like I really I if I roll
Speaker 2: my eyes and I'm like oh, Like to me, I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's not I would rather not have, Like I'd rather
Speaker 2: be like fuck yeah, I'm excited. No, the step shit
Speaker 2: is just so fucking old, and I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I've been very vocal about it.
Speaker 1: Do you like the acting portion though, of porn shooting
Speaker 1: man Born or would you rather just get to it?
Speaker 2: Okay, I do like the acting part. I'm just so
Speaker 2: sick of the step family thing.
Speaker 1: You know what, do you have any idea what that
Speaker 1: comes from for people? Because again I don't judge anyway.
Speaker 1: As long as everyone in the room is eighteen plus
Speaker 1: and there's no animals, I'm like, yeah, great, we're all good,
Speaker 1: do whatever you like. I just don't. Why can't you
Speaker 1: just have like, you know, if it's a step mother
Speaker 1: hot milf uh and if it's a girl like you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: why is it not like you know, newbile whatevers or
Speaker 1: whatever tag you want to put at the beginning, I
Speaker 1: don't understand. I just don't. And then we've been so
Speaker 1: saturated with it. It's like I don't believe that's my
Speaker 1: step mom anymore. I don't think that is okay. I
Speaker 1: just I'm not believing it. I'm just seeing hot lady,
Speaker 1: hot guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I don't know, for me, it just
Speaker 2: it just gets so right and like the acting part's fun,
Speaker 2: but I think, like I said, I'm not showing my
Speaker 2: full potential. And that's like, uh. That's also why like
Speaker 2: I started to get interested in anal because I was
Speaker 2: I realized. I was, like, you know, if I do anal,
Speaker 2: I feel like it's gonna put me in like another category,
Speaker 2: not like mill teen, but like a hardcore like because
Speaker 2: like typically, like I mean not, I'm not saying like
Speaker 2: it doesn't exist, but I find that a lot of
Speaker 2: step family porn doesn't.
Speaker 1: Usually involve anal really it's like.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like too like too much going on.
Speaker 2: You're like, you're like, all right, I'm already sucking my sister.
Speaker 2: I'm bucking my sister in her ass. But you see,
Speaker 2: I feel like you had like too much and it's
Speaker 2: and it's not realistic for most people. So I don't
Speaker 2: I don't see it too too often. And all my
Speaker 2: anal scenes have not been.
Speaker 1: Sister.
Speaker 2: It's all been like I have been a sugar baby.
Speaker 2: I have been an influencer.
Speaker 1: I have been.
Speaker 2: M I think like a tutor, like I've been other things, right,
Speaker 2: not somebody's stepsister, And that's refreshing.
Speaker 1: That's refreshing, Haley. As we come to the end on this,
Speaker 1: what are some things we have coming up? So you
Speaker 1: wanted to you said you said at one point you
Speaker 1: would love to shoot a b a cocky. I would
Speaker 1: love to pay to watch that. Anything down the pike
Speaker 1: where you're like, this is a big either a big
Speaker 1: scene coming up for you, not so much mainstream. I
Speaker 1: want to know, like, do you have anything exciting coming
Speaker 1: up that you find more exciting than anything else. You're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this day, this day, this day, I have that, but Friday,
Speaker 1: fuck I got this thing, and don't say this interview
Speaker 1: because I'll be real upset with you if you lie
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: No, So I'm going back to Europe in July and
Speaker 2: I am shooting three days with Dorsell and I'm very
Speaker 2: excited for that. It's like, uh, you know, that's like
Speaker 2: the just like the Vixen brain, like just it's beautiful work, right,
Speaker 2: and I am very grateful that they want to shoot me.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what it is yet, but it's
Speaker 2: three days in a row, so it sounds like it's
Speaker 2: a big production and Dorsell stuff is just so beautiful.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited for you. Last question and then we're
Speaker 1: going to un have this one up. What is a
Speaker 1: type of scene that is it's hard to explain this,
Speaker 1: but quote unquote vanilla within the industry, either a type
Speaker 1: of scene or a whatever that you're just not interested in.
Speaker 1: And then aside from the step stuff that we just
Speaker 1: literally spent five minutes discussing, but what's something that you're
Speaker 1: just like, I can't see myself doing a type of
Speaker 1: scene like that? Is there anything or will you try anything?
Speaker 2: Girl as a whole?
Speaker 1: Now, okay, so let me are you not? Are you girls?
Speaker 2: I consider myself. I don't really like when I say,
Speaker 2: like I'm bisexual, Like I definitely lean more towards men.
Speaker 2: But like last night I had a three song with uh,
Speaker 2: one of my good friends and her boyfriend. Right, So
Speaker 2: like for me, like I love to play with girls,
Speaker 2: but like I can't just just meet and the girl.
Speaker 2: I get bored and I think it's too vanilla, and
Speaker 2: I think it's just I'm not gay clearly, you know.
Speaker 2: For me, I'm like, the people are like, ooh, like,
Speaker 2: let's be it. I'm like maybe I'm like whatever. I
Speaker 2: think it's really boring. And it's also why I don't
Speaker 2: shoot girl Girl, and I typically don't jump back girl
Speaker 2: Girl mainstream shoots because I'm not a fan. But I
Speaker 2: will fuck like my friend with like a dude, Like
Speaker 2: I'll do that, like that's how I I like doing that,
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna suck her by yourself. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you who also finds lesbian porn a
Speaker 1: little bit boring? Secure guys? Yeah, yeah, I'm a little
Speaker 1: no offense. I love all the beautiful ladies in the world.
Speaker 2: But my friend, my well, I have plenty of boyfriends,
Speaker 2: but my main boyfriend though. He he told me because
Speaker 2: like he likes to watch my porn and he was like,
Speaker 2: he was he loves Gang Bang. So I was like, oh, fuck,
Speaker 2: you like watching gang He's like yeah, He's like, he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm straight. He's like, I don't want to see you
Speaker 2: and a girl.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm seeing he loves fucking Gang Bang.
Speaker 1: If I was gay, I wouldn't, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know that analogy works. I was going to bring a
Speaker 1: girl into it, but it doesn't make sense. All right,
Speaker 1: books are gonna wrap this one up. My guest today,
Speaker 1: the lovely Haley Spades. You've been so phenomenal to talk to,
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Speaker 1: If you have no money, Haley Spades, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for coming on with me tonight.