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are you tonight? Hello?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. Are you.
Speaker 1: Bad? I'm not bad. We're both we're both a little
banged up today on separate coasts, I would assume. So
we're going to just struggle through this and hope that
your beauty carries us through. Yeah. Yeah. Let me ask
you your initial entrance into any kind of the adult
entertainment industry camming stripping point, what was your I done.
Speaker 2: It for me? It was stripping really, I think, yeah,
I think I tried out camming actually like bury you
like like freshly eighteen, but then I couldn't really like
get my footing with it, so I started stripping and
then full you know, full circle here we went back
to content and camming and now I'm doing Born, so
full circle with all that, with all of it.
Speaker 1: How old were you the first time you went and
decided you were going to be a stripper.
Speaker 2: I was eighteen, okay, all right?
Speaker 1: So I mean I think about and there's no offense
and you are still very young. I think about how
kind of dull I was at eighteen years old? Oh yeah,
did you make? What was it? I it's hard to
last fight because I've ten thousand questions rushing to my
face all at once. Was it a higher end club
or like a starter type club?
Speaker 2: For it was I would say like higher end. I
mean I was in New Orleans, so it's there's a
degree of higher end in New Orleans, right, But it
wasn't like a dive. It wasn't like a little like
truck stop club, which I have worked at those and
they're actually fun. But I kind of went ahead first
right into like the Larry Flint's Hustler Clubs in New Orleans.
And then I went over to the pet House Club,
So two very like big name clubs.
Speaker 1: What was something you didn't expect when you first entered
into that. I've said this every interview I've done, because
I've always begun with stripping for some reason. I think
just a lot of performers start out in stripping, but
I think strippers are the greatest salespeople outside of I
don't know, you know, pharmaceutical salesp or some redictus. Whoever's
pumping oxygonton. They're doing fine, But I think strippers are
just the best. At My favorite thing to see is
a guy sitting in theer and he's like, I'm just
here with my friends. I'm not gonna I'm just gonna
have drinks, not doing anything. And then on this third
trip to the ATM, I'm just like, oh, girl, got him,
got them, got them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the thing for me, for me, like, what's
shocked me the most, I think was how many people
actually just wanted to hang out and just talk.
Speaker 1: You know. I hear that too. I hear girls say,
I you know, the most I ever made was X
amount of thousands of dollars and it was in a
VIP room. I'm like, what must there? I was gonna say,
it must have got fucking spicy in there. Tell me.
She's like, no, he just wanted to talk and kind
of like look at my feet for six hours. Yeah,
have you had what what was like the weirdest request
you ever got? If you had one? And again it's
a higher end club, so it's probably not as fun
as the truck stop club requests, But what was like
the weirdest request you've ever gotten at the club?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think it was really like weird
to me. That's why I'm like, I can't really I
don't really know, like because I don't really I don't
really think any think it was super weird. I would
just say like, for the most part, like I think
I always thought it was weird when like groups would
come in and then they would all like be like no, no,
don't don't look at me, look at him, and they'd
just like pass you on and on, and then like
you would get stuck with like this one guy who
clearly did not want to be there, and like his
friends are like telling you, like come on, force him
like I'm like, I don't want to do that, don't
like aggressive or like come on, like show him a
good time. They hand me like two dollars. I would say, like,
nothing was really weird. I just think it was weird
when people would just kind of like push the girls
like to the next one in their group because nobody
wanted to spend money, but like they wanted all the
attentional one. But I don't know, I just think it
was very weird, you know, like it was like, oh no,
I don't want to be here. Like it was like
I was like, are you gay? Like do you not
like women? And one time changes life and I'm not
going to change his life.
Speaker 1: I Uh, my wife and I were written together forever
now right, and early on I quit my retail job
and I took probably sick strip club rookies out with
my wife to a fully nude Byob club in Philadelphia. Okay,
I went down the line. At the end of the night,
I everyone had dances except for me. All this go.
They did a whipped cream show where you can pick
two girls, you can pick which hole, and then the
patrons can pay twenty dollars to lick it off. Which
I always found a little on savory but fun. You know,
all of them had licked it. Da da da da,
this and that. I did the count at the end
of the night. This person spent twenty dollars, this person
spent thirty dollars, this person spent forty dollars, and I
spent four hundred and sixty dollars at a shrimp club,
having gotten no dances myself, just showing people a good time, right, Yeah, yeah,
that's what a strip club is doing. Yeah. I hate
when dudes are disrespectful or even like like.
Speaker 2: Oh, they suck so much from you, Like they're like, oh,
you need change his life, you need to you know,
make him read it getting married. You're like, I'm like,
I'm not here to ruin a marriage.
Speaker 1: Dude, I'm standing here gorgeous as I am and topless,
possibly fully new. You don't have to keep passing me off.
I'll just stand in the middle. You all stand there.
Speaker 2: Until somebody decides that they want me at this point
or like yeah, I just like I always thought that
was weird to me. It's like how everybody's like scared
almost like initiate, you know, like they're like, oh, word,
a strip club. I'm not going to be the one
to get like like, okay, you know those are like
a restaurant, like, I'm not. I'm not here to get food.
I'm just here.
Speaker 1: Those are the same guys in your Twitter comments who
are like, I'd folk you so much better, you know
I would. The shyness of people like in person is
shocking me. But you know you get a pretty girl game.
Speaker 2: You talk all that game. I'm sure, buddy, sure.
Speaker 1: So you tried camming first obviously didn't work out.
Speaker 2: It's freshly eight and I had no idea what I
was getting myself into. I was just lost.
Speaker 1: So me let me ask you, and please only divulge
what you're comfortable divulging here. But like no other plane,
do you decide that you weren't going to do college
or you did do college?
Speaker 2: I finished college.
Speaker 1: I got wonderful, wonderful Okay, So you did bachelers and marketing.
Speaker 2: I was I was stripping through college.
Speaker 1: Actually, right, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So I was stripping through college and then I graduated
in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Was there an intention to eventually use that marketing degree?
Or would you would you like to have the money
back that you spent on college.
Speaker 2: Oh, I would definitely like to have that money back
as I'm paying off i Suter loans. I really own
nine thousand. It's not that bad something. But I have
friends who have ninety thousand.
Speaker 1: And I have friends who have two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I havely nine thousand or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think for me, like I just followed like the
normal trajectory of like go to college, you know, do
what everybody else doing. So I was doing that. And
initially I went into college going into like science, I
was I was like I was getting all of my
general classes out of the way. But at that point,
like so like I had committed to a certain degree
subject whatever. But I started to doubt myself. And then
I had all these friends in like the business school
inside and they're like, oh, so easy ball. I'm like
it's so versatile, and I was like, I don't know.
I was like, I guess I'll just do something that
like I feel like I could fall back on it
if I needed, like something just simple, right, not something
like stressful. Also, like I just didn't know what I
wanted to do. So as I was in college. I
didn't really know what my plan was. I just wanted
to finish when I started, right, So I was like,
let me just finish and then figure it out and
then now I'm important.
Speaker 1: Well you know what though, I mean from my perspective,
I think you picked just about the best major for
this industry for sure. But I would suggest any new
girls coming into it looking if you are like committed
like Haley was here finishing college, go go to school
for marketing, and my advice take all your electives as
like Adobe, Premiere Pro, Photoshop, shit like that.
Speaker 2: I wish I would have done stuff like that, right right.
Speaker 1: This what I want to talk about your content later
because I'm a little shocked in a good way by something,
So we'll talk about that in the second segment. But yeah,
to me, it's just like your job is equal part
sex and equal part marketing. It feels like pushing yourself
out there because you can have the best, most incredible,
sexiest scenes in the world and if they get six
views somewhere, it doesn't mean shit. Right, So how do
you make sure do you do collaborations with only other
mainstream people or other content creators, like if you found
the content creator who maybe isn't mainstream but has a
breadth of work, you know, something they could really show.
Would you be comfortable working with that person? I don't.
Speaker 2: Actually, I only work with established professional usually I've already
met on like a mainstream set, right, so I see
how this person is like, and I see how how
they act towards me, and I see their character, right
instead of just being like, oh, this person's online, like
they have this many follower like to me, I if
I'm not comfortable, if I don't feel like I want
to actually shoot with somebody, like, I'm not going to
force it just because like, oh I need to keep
pumping out content. So I really only stick to mainstream
performers that I have already worked with professionally. And the
only person I there's two people that I uh didn't
follow that like little Guideline for myself. It was Johnny
Sin's okay and Vince Carter. So those are the two
performers that like I just was like, yeah, I'll shoot
contact with you. Sure I never met them like on
like a set, so but like those are like you know,
like that's not like, uh, mister Joe in the middle
of I don't know Sacramento that has ten followers. It's
like I'm just trying to get my footing, Like no,
like I don't know, I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, say Joe and Sacramento had four hundred thousand
followers and in only fans in the top one percent
with girls who shoots with and you know another factor
that would make you possibly say yes, is there yours?
Speaker 2: Or just because I would, I wouldn't say yes wonderfully
like I would I yeah, I would be like, you know,
like I don't know you. And also like in this
day and age, I feel like a lot of people
buy their followers and a lot of it's not organic, right,
So I don't like to just go off followers. And
I also like to look at their content like is
this even like something I want to have on the
internet with this person, like if it's like I don't know,
if it's too too amateur for me? Like and that's
that goes as like a whole like not just like
people I don't know, but like if I know somebody
but I don't like their content style, I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna shoot, I'm not gonna just not gonna
do it right. I I have a brand, right, and
I have an image that I want to put out there,
and if I feel like it's going to not benefit me,
I'd rather not. Like I don't need to just keep
the wheels turning, right, We don't need to keep turning
the butter just.
Speaker 1: To do it right, right? Yeah? Yeah, don't make content
just to make content, you know, make which again was
the part that I was surprised about, which I'd like
to talk to about later. Is your content is I
think the highest quality I've ever seen. We'll we'll we'll
delve into that a little more when we talk about
your scenes and stuff like that. But let me ask
you this again. Only say what you're willing to say.
Did you grow u uh okay New Orleans? You said, yes, okay, uh,
I don't. I've never been to New Orleans. I have
no idea. Are there smaller portions or is it all
just New Orleans?
Speaker 2: I mean New Orleans is New Orleans, right, I mean
I grew up in those suburbs, so like about twenty
minutes north of New Orleans and manded it like on
the Ore Shore. So like if people know the area,
they're like, oh yeah, I know exactly where that is.
So but like we all say like the New Orleans
Metro kind of like you know, like LA could be
in like the valley. It could mean to some people
Sam Bernardino or oh see, like they could say LA
is like a general.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? So how many guys from your high school
are signed up for your only fans?
Speaker 2: I could imagine a lot because I actually I actually
get people from college and from high school that messaged
me and they're like, oh my god, there's somebody that
messages me all the time on Twitter and they're like
this person was like, oh my god, I should have
I should have shot my shot with you when I
sat behind you in this class. So I definitely get
a lot of those people. I think most of them
are too shy, but I mean there's some that are
like I sat right behind you in this schools.
Speaker 1: I do another show called Brand New Faces, where I
reach out and find new performers who are you know,
I can tell or committed because they're making content, but
they don't have a lot of followers. They don't have
a lot of so I try and use a little
bit of my audience to bring some people to them,
and I always tell them I think it's the funniest thing.
So many new girls could clean up on OnlyFans if
they went to their Facebook and just posted, hey, I'm
on only fans, now check this out, and then you
know you have to be committed. You sure to be committed.
H yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But if you do that,
I think you would just immediately get some I always
find that so funny.
Speaker 2: Were you you know the curiosity that people have naturally,
you know, they're like, oh, I want to see.
Speaker 1: Were you a cool kid? Were you a nerd? Were
you fun? Were you athletic? What were you?
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think it was any of those.
I was just kind of like there, like I don't know,
like I didn't I didn't fall into like a certain
category when I like in like school right growing up,
I never really did. I didn't do sports. I wasn't
like a nerd. I wasn't like the super popular person.
Speaker 1: I was just like there, yeah, So did you have
a good high school experience?
Speaker 2: All right? I mean I didn't have my you know,
I didn't reach my peak in high school, all right.
But I had a really sweet high school sweetheart who
was a little bit popular. So I was like with
the popular crop, I wasn't popular. Just there. I mean
I had a generally like I couldn't say it was
a bad experience, but I definitely I don't know, it was.
Speaker 1: Just high school. No, yeah, yeah, I've always heard horrors.
I've heard horror stories about two things that I've never
had a horror story on high school and the DMV.
DMV has always been fine for me. Every time I horrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not gonna wa yeah yeah, yeah, well no, no,
not a horror.
Speaker 1: I just I just people always like, oh, I got
stuck in this group as I floated them, Hey nerds,
I'm gonna talk to you for a little bit cool guys,
athlete whatever it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't have like, yeah, I didn't have a
certain click surely, so I was just like I'm here.
Speaker 1: All right. We are going to take a quick break.
My guest today, Hailey Spades. You can find her own
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media is going to be in the episode description. We'll
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I don't so many important stars I talk to love
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I have three audio clips for you. Okay, your job
is to identify what scene it comes from. After I
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You let me know which scene you think it's from.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm ready, Okay, Oh scare clip number one.
Speaker 1: You know big I looks next to my little pretty
face really seem to be enjoying it, there, Haley, Uh,
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Speaker 2: Wonderful trying to picture it. But I do that a lot,
I scene because I work with a lot of big dicks.
I was like I couldn't really I knew it wasn't
the team one because like I did, like the teen stuck,
you know, like we don't really like say stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's we're like, oh step brown, like high school. Just
process of elimination. That one obviously not. It was good.
That was good logic used there. Let me play for
your clip number two.
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I mean, come on, look at this.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you just love to fill me up with your
com the The audience shouted yes. Number two? Was that
from a reality donkies b free used milk or c rammed?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Reality junkies, that's correct, Okay, that's correct.
Speaker 2: I wasn't free use because what you can't you can't
You have to act like you're like not when you're
what's happening.
Speaker 1: Basically, we'll come back to I'm a fan. It's a
weird I'll talk about it. Oh the reaction I got
on that one clip number.
Speaker 2: Three, I bet you can't get hard and fuck me
lin loser.
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that at some point? Was that from a close personal
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you just said, you always say nice stuff and then
this one you're calling them a limp dick loser.
Speaker 4: So yeah, man, Haley, your content I put it up there.
Speaker 1: The only one I would say is is close to comparable.
And this is no offense to anyone else. It's just
the first one coming to the top of my mind.
Penny Barber produces some really high end come I mean,
she's a lens girl. She knows what this does, what
that does? I mean, do you have a fucking AI
filter from the future? How is your shit so beautiful?
Like you really?
Speaker 2: Do you have a videographer? Okay, I have somebody that
shoots most of my content, and it's something that I
actually take pride in, right, I Like, I like for
my content to look visually appealing and like I'm okay
with like the amateur suft, but for me, like I
feel like I can put more passion into something where
I'm like, Okay, it's going to look like this. I
want this to happen. I want this theme. I want like,
I want like all of this to like look very
very good, and so then I feel more motivated, right,
like more in too, like what I'm shooting versus just
like oh, I come over and iPhone.
Speaker 1: It sure, sure, yeah, I have like a production right,
and then these are fool I mean, I'm just like
I have your mini VIDs on another screen over here,
you know, not a bad view. It's insane even just
this Alice toys herself in Arcade again now watching the
content at the moment, I'd get too distracted. But it's
like a movie, I mean real movie movie shit, Like,
I mean, this is high quality. So that was your
intention coming into this, I assume, right, does that go?
How far back does that go in your career? Was
there a green light moment when you were like, I
just don't like how I'm being represented on this type
of scene and from now on? Or was it before
you even started?
Speaker 2: It was before I got incorn. So when I started
doing like OnlyFans, right cause I, like I said, like,
I had an interest in the camming world, so I'd
already seen like the quality, like the variations, right and quality.
And then when I started OnlyFans, I had the camera
that I'm actually using right now. I had this camera
purchase because I was trying to my boyfriend at the time,
we were like trying to like make flog content I
don't know, and he yeah, he was like a like
an up and coming DJ. So like we were like
trying to get really good quality media right for like
both of us in that time. But when I started
doing Only Fans, I was like, Okay, I started to
get a little bit more into like the lenses, Like
I started realizing, like what kind of lens I wanted.
I'm not a pro, I I this this lens. I'm like,
I don't even know what kind of lens I'm using
right now, but it's a good one sure, But I.
Speaker 1: Mean you look great. Yeah, your sound is good like you.
That's why I asked, no offense if you were kind
of a nerd when you were younger, because your tech,
all of your tech is fucking top.
Speaker 2: I was a gamer when I was younger. I wouldn't
really like say I was a nerd.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't want to call you a nerd.
Speaker 2: But I have like a piece. I mean, I'm okay
with being a nerd, but I just I didn't really
fit like the nerd the category. But I yeah, so
I when I started Only Fans, I was like, if
I'm gonna make content, I need to look good, right,
And I was just that was like something I initially
like took very seriously from the start. You know, I
was like, I'm not gonna put out something where I
feel like it's not flattering, it doesn't look good, like
especially like seeing me in such like a vulnerable like light,
like I'm naked and I'm getting fucked. I don't want
it to look.
Speaker 1: Bad, right, right, What was your first break when you
realized like, oh, this is this is gonna gonna work,
Like this is really gonna work. This is not gonna
be Like when did you first get like ten thousand
followers in a day and you were just like, oh shit,
I am blasting off here.
Speaker 2: Well, I I think I only had around like I
had less than twenty thousand when I joined porn when
I was just doing content. But I think like I'm
trying to like I'm trying to like piece it together
because I always got like a lot of like followers
when I shot for companies like Browsers, right, So I
think as soon as I saw like I think it
was like a ten or twenty thousand jumping like a day,
I was like whoa, But it was like people like
me and so like I just kind of stuck with
it because I was always busy and I'm still to
this day three and a half years in very busy sale.
Speaker 1: So yeah, is that what you just keep yourself busy though?
Like I mean, is that how you stay sane? Again,
I told you, I have like twenty interviews the rest
of this week, plus a day job, plus my wife
is having surgery in two weeks, so we have doctor's appointments.
But I feel like if I'm just sitting around, I
feel like I'm wasting. Like I could be editing something,
I could be looking at something, I could be sending
emails out to somebody trying to book them. It seems
like you're a very driven person, right Yeah.
Speaker 2: But with that though, does come burnout. So for me,
I have to find like the balance, and that's something
I'm still to this day, like figuring out I'd like
to say busy obviously, who doesn't Who likes I like
having like something that I'm like working towards, like having
a goal, Like I just like accomplishing things right, And
so for me, if I if I go too hard though,
I will like eventually just like completely be like I
don't even want to shoot for a month, which is
what happened in March. I did not shoot the entire
month of March because I just went so hard in February.
While I was in Europe, I was shooting almost every day.
I was doing a lot of deep, a lot of
anal and so when I got back to the States,
I was like nobody even look at you know, like
I didn't even want to create content like I I
was just like very like drain. I was just happy
to be home. And I was like I was very
like happy, and you know, I loved being busy. But man,
the burnout I had I was pretty bad. And like
even going into April it was started to get better,
like I started shooting again, but even then, I feel
like it took may like this month when I was
like ready to start going ham again, right.
Speaker 1: And that's just a feeling where you're just kind of like,
I don't know, but for me, when I get to
that level, I'm just kind of like I got to
do something, like something, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I gave myself like two months to kind of like
fuck off, and I was okay, okay. I was like, yeah, Hayley,
you need to get your shit together a good.
Speaker 1: So you said you was shooting over in Europe. I
see a lot of girls go to shoot over in Europe?
Is that who's that with?
Speaker 2: So there's a couple of agencies. I'm free agent here
in the States, I used to have an agent, but
I am free agent here. I'm fully self booking, so
I handle all my own bookings. But when I wanted
to go to Europe, I had to like reach out
to the few agencies that are over there and see
who wanted to represent me. All of them did. I
ended up settling basically on one real Babes and they've
been the best to me and they get me so
much work. But I was able to self book something there,
but for the most part it was all through real
babes or Nicky's Models.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, I don't think women understand how much coming
into this industry work is also into it. At some
times that wasn't really a sentence. I'm also having burnout
as well. I don't think some women realize how much
work actually goes into it. Some I've interviewed a lot
of like hot eighteen nineteen year old girls who are like, oh,
you know, I'll come in, I'll post a couple pictures
of myself and then I'll just get fifty thousand followers
and top one percent and blah blah blah. And can
you please explain to everybody listening as I do every episode,
how much work actually goes in before you start hiring
agents or I don't know if you do a social
media manager or anything like that, but how much work is
involved prior to all of those things.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's so much work first, I would say, I mean,
getting an agent, I would say was probably the first
thing I did when I joined the porn right because like,
how are you how are you even gonna get your
name out there and experience, you know, like actually being
in front of the camera. But I think from there
people don't realize like, Okay, like I have to be professional,
I have to build rapport, I have to build relationship
relationships within this industry. And then I also need to
like stay relevant, you know, and I gotta like, like
could like continue to produce content and also promote yourself
and because you don't want to get lost like in
the background, and then building those interpersonal relationships in the
industry is actually so so important. I can't tell you
how many times I get told wow, your breath of
fresh air, like like you show up on time, you
come here, you have a great attitude versus like girls
or like I don't want to see like girls, Like
people who are in the industry as a whole, they
might like show up like I don't know, rying because
like they like thirty minutes like crying, so like my
my partner was yelling at me and then they're like
they're like a whole mess like on and like they're
just like frantic and like for me, I'm like no,
I'm like and I think so I would I would
say that's actually one of the biggest things that I
find is something like I have something that matters in
the industry, and that's something that takes a lot of work.
Like like so going to these agents in Europe, I
had like they gonna know who I was, but like
they were able to like do some research on me
and they were like okay, yeah, like we'll get you booking.
So they were taking a gamble on me. And and
if you burn bridges, you're it's very hard to build
that bridge back.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, maybe maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And I would say I would say that's
like the hardest thing like people don't realize like it.
You actually need to be like a kind, professional, respectful
person to even get anywhere in the industry.
Speaker 1: And that's what people don't realize so much. I think
I agree with the one thousand percent I did. I
started the show by cold emailing like five hundred different performers.
One pr agent saw we were doing stuff than the
next PR agent. Once they're people, and then it just grows,
you know, But it's so funny. I always I just
love hearing people be like porns so easy. Look how
lazy this girl is. So what you're telling me is
you have to perform a talent on camera. You then
have to do all of your own marketing and stuff
like that. If you don't again, if you don't have
a manager, uh, you yourself are a free agent self booking.
So you have to make sure all that shit's lined up.
You have to ensure all the editing and everything like
that production wise is done. But then also how about
the admin work, making sure everything's signed, making sure everything's
uploaded properly. Easy job, Hale, a real easy job. I
can't believe you're so lazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then making sure everybody like you know you're
on like good terms of people. I mean, to some
people that's important, but to me, I think that's I
think it's so important. Like when I see people just
basically like go off on the deep end, like on
social media or like getting into fights or just like
you know, like bashing each other, I'm like, you, what
are you doing? I'm like, why are you doing that?
Because to be like, that's it's one of the main
reasons too, Like I don't really like socializing so much
within the industry because I find that not everybody's on
that same professional like level that I hate to say,
like my professional level. They're nowhere near.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: But it's true though, like because for me, it's like
I just see so much happening and I can't really
like relate. Like to me, like drama's not important. What's
important is building good work relationships. And you know that's
what's gonna get you the furthest I think, like it's networking.
So if you if you if you can't network, if
you can't talk your way you're basically and make people
like you enough to climb, you're gonna have a really
hard time climbing.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, all right, we're gonna take one more break
care we'll come back with my guess, Hailey Spades. Make
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Speaker 1: Com, and we're back my guest today Haley Spades and
on Only Fans at Haley spades. Are you good with letters, Haley,
what do you mean? Yeah, it's a ridiculous question. Yes,
like letters, but like mail? No, no, no, like just
ABC letters. Yeah, okay, all right, all right, then let's
play it lude letters. Have you ever played S categories before?
I think so?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: All right, So I'm going to give you a question.
You give me the answer. That's generally how games work.
But it's a short question. It'll be something like a
name a car company. Okay, go ahead, name a car, Alexis,
name a type of phone iPhone. There you go, boom
two for two right there. The problem is your answer
can only begin with one letter. Okay, all ten questions.
Your letter was randomly selected before the show. It's s
as in spades. Okay, okay, you'll have, because I'm not
a hack doing things for attention, sixty nine seconds on
the clock to answer ten questions correctly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Are you ready?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay? Time. It will start at the end of the
first question. Everything you say from this point on can
only begin with S. Nah real bad, yeah, yeah, yeah. Three?
Two Name a sex position or act standing, name something
to drink, sprite, name a body part to come on,
shin a female, name.
Speaker 2: Thearrah.
Speaker 1: Name a porn website. Uh shit, Oh no, I don't
know that. Ship dot com qualifies. You can pass. We'll
come back to it. We'll come back to it. Number six.
Name a fashion brand?
Speaker 2: Uh uh Sephorah, No, no, no, no, let's make up.
Speaker 1: Next one. Something you like about a male performer a
bright s sucks ten seconds left? Name of food brand?
Five or three?
Speaker 4: Two?
Speaker 3: Tough?
Speaker 1: I just I'll count it. I'll count it still versus good,
tough day to be hungover. So let's see. Uh you
said shin for name of body part to come on,
I had a smile, scalp or skin. Uh. Name a
porn website smashed dot x x x. I believe you
were on that.
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think I was on that. It
was like one of the new teams on New Biles. Uh.
Speaker 1: Name a fashion brand Steve Madden speary.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Two words, yeah, it begins with the ass.
Speaker 2: He used that it can't be two words? Is it
had to be one word?
Speaker 1: Well? I never I never said the word too. I
did not go back and listen to one word. I said,
it's a short answer. Something you like about a male
performer his smile. Maybe I don't know. It begins with
an as name a food brand. You said, stove for spam,
skippy smuckersok.
Speaker 2: A while I was like, it was like, I don't cook.
Speaker 1: So for a tie breaker. According to i a f
d dot com, which is the Internet Adult Film database
as of this record, how many male performers have you
worked with?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he asked me how many restaurants I've
eaten that it.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna do closest to it now. I'm gonna say, uh,
seventy ninety four.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's a lot. I was gonna say one hundred.
I was like, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1: Let the nuns know, all right, so let's make them happy.
Let's talk about the content. You just shot a scene
that I assume you had to sit on a bag
of frozen peas for at the end of it. I
saw it on your Twitter today.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, what actually pretty good?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh I you know, I don't think it's going
to be a bad scene at all with the talent.
Speaker 2: No, Like I was good though we didn't I didn't
have any injuries. I actually the day after that, I
flew to Miami for ex visit everybody was like, are
you destroyed? Actually, no, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Do you what is the biology of that? You appear
to be tiny, tiny, tiny? I don't know how kay
skow tall you are. I'm four foot eight. That's Are
you legal? Can you get like a parking permit for that?
Speaker 2: I could if I wanted. I don't want to go
to like to the doctor and fill out a bunch
of paperwork.
Speaker 1: It's just it's okay, I'll park a little further away,
that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so serious.
Speaker 1: And do you know how insulting it would be if
the gorgeous Hailey Spades got out of a fucking handicapped
spot while some lady in a wheelchair was looking for
a spot. That would be terrible.
Speaker 2: I would feel bad, Yeah, I would feel bad, but.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So for me anal, it's just I feel like I
can take bigger dig easier. I think my body like
my anatomy, right, And also it feels better.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from so many It's like something happened
in two thousand and one or twenty twenty one, where
like every girl I've been interviewing since then, I went
to Catholic school for twelve years. Okay, Anna was like,
away you kind of get out of you know, pissing off.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, every girl I've talked too recently, He's just like,
ay know, so much easier. And I'm just like I
understand the physics of it. You only go so deep
here and you go, you know, all the way up
to your mouth over here. But at some point, don't
you feel like your organs are being rearranged?
Speaker 2: No, because the dick can't. Well, I feel like my
organs are being more rearranged when it's in my pussy,
like I for me, I actually like yeah, like like
I get more sore in my pussy than actually in
my ass, and then I just feel like I enter
a different mindset when it's in my ass, and I
just I feel like it just it does feel completely
different and it feels better for me. It really does.
And that was a surprise. Actually when I started doing anal,
I was like WHOA. I was like, oh A, new
worlds And like when I shoot DP is like I
I love DP. I prefer dep over anal by itself,
but I do feel like the contrast and like how
it feels when a dick is in my pussy and
my assy, like when it's like that close together, right,
like back and forth like the same time, I'm like,
you usually look like it hurts the moviment in my
pussy and it's a big dick. It takes me a
little bit longer, I guess to adjust like it happens,
but like at first, like it's not comfortable, but I
feel like in my ass it's also probably because I've
just done a lot of anal training, right, but also
like I'm more comfortable with anal, so I feel like
I'm just able to relax and I can just handle
bigger dick in my gass.
Speaker 1: What entails anal training? Is it just different plug sizes?
Like are you the same thing as like gauging your ears?
Are you working your way up? Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then uh so yeah. I would use like dilaty plugs.
And then I started practicing like like anal with like
uh boyfriend Dix basically like like the like like with performers.
I would be like dicks, some were not intimidating, They're
not dread just like a normal dick. I was like,
do you want to put it in my ass? And
just like you please want to fuck my ass? And
like no, no, No.
Speaker 1: That I would be funny, be like, no, my uddy, you'll
do a passer over there, just like the clubs early on.
He'll do it, he'll do it. No, get him, he's
the birthday boy. Let him fuck. He wants to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's how I like started doing it. You know,
I just kind of worked my way up and I
took my time, and I was not in a rush
to hit any major like oh, like taking dread for
your first anal.
Speaker 1: I was not.
Speaker 2: It was not a goal of mine. I just wanted
to actually enjoy my anal journey.
Speaker 1: Do you have milestones you want to hit? Though? Because
I love I love the artist aspect where to me,
I agree the same thing. I am not thinking about
my next however many interviews. My concentration is right now,
talk to Haley Spades, get the best possible content I
can out of this. So, yeah, do you have milestones
you want to hit though? Like I don't. I don't
I want to talk to you. I only want to
talk to you right now. I don't think about getting
this person on. Getting this person on eventually, it's awesome
when it comes down the line. But if you keep
making quality content people will stay around. Do you have
milestones you try and reach for?
Speaker 2: Man, I don't really think I have like a specific milestone,
because I, for one, I just want to keep pushing myself,
like I want to see how far. Like That's why
I went to Europe, right, I just want to see it.
And like I don't mean like, oh my God, like
piss all over there. I don't mean like super hardbore.
I just mean like I want to see like how
far I can actually go. And because I'm always surprising myself,
so I think I'm always trying to keep myself surprised.
Like I'm like in Europe, I did my first double badge.
Didn't plan on doing that, but I did it, and
I was like, I did my first double badge, right,
And it's I think for me, is like a milestone
and just be like I need to keep one upping myself.
Speaker 1: What's the okay? So if it's not a milestone, what's
the next type of scene that maybe you haven't shot yet,
or that you're interested in shooting that you really want
to like, talk my agent as soon as something.
Speaker 6: Okay, I love you. I have a real I Ever
since I was little, I was like I really love
a facial It always just like makes me excited to
see that. I don't know if it's the contrast, it's
not the humiliation that's my thing.
Speaker 1: So bukaki is just like it's it at once. It's great.
I actually interviewed Jim Powers, the director from the late
nineties early two thousands who brought Bukkaki to the United States,
as I believe it was a Japanese practice prior to that.
You're a gamer girl. What kind of guys do you
get hitting you up? Because a lot of your brand
is is your brand to me is like cute, tiny
can apparently take monstrous things inside your body, but also
like cool, like you have gamer You said you know
gamer girl, right right, So do you have gamer guys?
Like do you do customs? I should ask? Or do
I do?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean for the most part, I think I do
appeal to like the whole stepsister realm I get. I
think that's the biggest type of request. I guess they
do like step family things, So I guess I would.
It sounds like I probably have a younger like audience.
Speaker 1: Like for sure twenties maybe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wouldn't really say like, oh, like they're nerdy,
their gamer. It's mainly everybody's like I want you to
pretend to be my stepsister.
Speaker 1: Do you okay not to fuck up your business at all?
Do you like the step sister? Do you like this
step thing? Okay, very vocal about it.
Speaker 2: How I do not like it? Actually, that's actually why
I started doing anal too. I got so sick and
tired of stepsister, stepsister, stepdaughter, step I don't know, step cousin.
I was a step cousin, went you know, I got
so sick.
Speaker 1: Step cousin three times removed, Like how far away are
we getting from the family line here? When does it
become not taboo anymore? Got sorry? I apologize you were
getting so sick of it.
Speaker 2: I was getting so sick of it, and like I
get it, it's a big market, but I think it's
so overdone. And I don't even mean like oh like
it's the same thing over and over. I just mean
like I am wasting my time if I'm rinse and
repeating the same fucking thing. Otherwise, like you're not seeing
my full potential if I'm just doing this fucking same
thing over and over and over. So for me. I
feel like the step family thing is very isolating. It
puts you in like it's this tight little box. It's
very hard to get out of that, and it can
just get so fucking old, you know, and it's like
it's like, I know there's a market for it, but
like I think it just becomes like a certain point
where like like when I'm showing up to a set
and I'm handed a script and I see step I'm like,
oh my god, Like I really I if I roll
my eyes and I'm like oh, Like to me, I'm like,
that's not I would rather not have, Like I'd rather
be like fuck yeah, I'm excited. No, the step shit
is just so fucking old, and I'm sick of it.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I've been very vocal about it.
Speaker 1: Do you like the acting portion though, of porn shooting
man Born or would you rather just get to it?
Speaker 2: Okay, I do like the acting part. I'm just so
sick of the step family thing.
Speaker 1: You know what, do you have any idea what that
comes from for people? Because again I don't judge anyway.
As long as everyone in the room is eighteen plus
and there's no animals, I'm like, yeah, great, we're all good,
do whatever you like. I just don't. Why can't you
just have like, you know, if it's a step mother
hot milf uh and if it's a girl like you, Yeah,
why is it not like you know, newbile whatevers or
whatever tag you want to put at the beginning, I
don't understand. I just don't. And then we've been so
saturated with it. It's like I don't believe that's my
step mom anymore. I don't think that is okay. I
just I'm not believing it. I'm just seeing hot lady,
hot guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I don't know, for me, it just
it just gets so right and like the acting part's fun,
but I think, like I said, I'm not showing my
full potential. And that's like, uh. That's also why like
I started to get interested in anal because I was
I realized. I was, like, you know, if I do anal,
I feel like it's gonna put me in like another category,
not like mill teen, but like a hardcore like because
like typically, like I mean not, I'm not saying like
it doesn't exist, but I find that a lot of
step family porn doesn't.
Speaker 1: Usually involve anal really it's like.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like too like too much going on.
You're like, you're like, all right, I'm already sucking my sister.
I'm bucking my sister in her ass. But you see,
I feel like you had like too much and it's
and it's not realistic for most people. So I don't
I don't see it too too often. And all my
anal scenes have not been.
Speaker 1: Sister.
Speaker 2: It's all been like I have been a sugar baby.
I have been an influencer.
Speaker 1: I have been.
Speaker 2: M I think like a tutor, like I've been other things, right,
not somebody's stepsister, And that's refreshing.
Speaker 1: That's refreshing, Haley. As we come to the end on this,
what are some things we have coming up? So you
wanted to you said you said at one point you
would love to shoot a b a cocky. I would
love to pay to watch that. Anything down the pike
where you're like, this is a big either a big
scene coming up for you, not so much mainstream. I
want to know, like, do you have anything exciting coming
up that you find more exciting than anything else. You're like, oh,
this day, this day, this day, I have that, but Friday,
fuck I got this thing, and don't say this interview
because I'll be real upset with you if you lie
to me.
Speaker 2: No, So I'm going back to Europe in July and
I am shooting three days with Dorsell and I'm very
excited for that. It's like, uh, you know, that's like
the just like the Vixen brain, like just it's beautiful work, right,
and I am very grateful that they want to shoot me.
So I don't know what it is yet, but it's
three days in a row, so it sounds like it's
a big production and Dorsell stuff is just so beautiful.
So I'm excited.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited for you. Last question and then we're
going to un have this one up. What is a
type of scene that is it's hard to explain this,
but quote unquote vanilla within the industry, either a type
of scene or a whatever that you're just not interested in.
And then aside from the step stuff that we just
literally spent five minutes discussing, but what's something that you're
just like, I can't see myself doing a type of
scene like that? Is there anything or will you try anything?
Speaker 2: Girl as a whole?
Speaker 1: Now, okay, so let me are you not? Are you girls?
Speaker 2: I consider myself. I don't really like when I say,
like I'm bisexual, Like I definitely lean more towards men.
But like last night I had a three song with uh,
one of my good friends and her boyfriend. Right, So
like for me, like I love to play with girls,
but like I can't just just meet and the girl.
I get bored and I think it's too vanilla, and
I think it's just I'm not gay clearly, you know.
For me, I'm like, the people are like, ooh, like,
let's be it. I'm like maybe I'm like whatever. I
think it's really boring. And it's also why I don't
shoot girl Girl, and I typically don't jump back girl
Girl mainstream shoots because I'm not a fan. But I
will fuck like my friend with like a dude, Like
I'll do that, like that's how I I like doing that,
But I'm not gonna suck her by yourself. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you who also finds lesbian porn a
little bit boring? Secure guys? Yeah, yeah, I'm a little
no offense. I love all the beautiful ladies in the world.
Speaker 2: But my friend, my well, I have plenty of boyfriends,
but my main boyfriend though. He he told me because
like he likes to watch my porn and he was like,
he was he loves Gang Bang. So I was like, oh, fuck,
you like watching gang He's like yeah, He's like, he's like,
I'm straight. He's like, I don't want to see you
and a girl.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm seeing he loves fucking Gang Bang.
Speaker 1: If I was gay, I wouldn't, you know, I don't
know that analogy works. I was going to bring a
girl into it, but it doesn't make sense. All right,
books are gonna wrap this one up. My guest today,
the lovely Haley Spades. You've been so phenomenal to talk to,
so I think people not going out to sign up
for your content is a travesty because you produce some
of the highest quality stuff and at as I'm going
through your many VIDs too low of prices. It feels
like what some girls sell things for on here, so
it's all affordable. Make sure you check out her only
fans at Haley Spades and check the episode description below
for links to all of her social media. Even if
you're broke, but you're listening to this follow her on
social media. Bump those numbers up. That's all I can say.
If you have no money, Haley Spades, thank you so
much for coming on with me tonight.