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Hey? 31 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm always glad to spend some time with you here 32 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:23,000 this afternoon. 33 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Matt. 34 00:01:24,359 --> 00:01:26,519 Speaker 2: What's been keeping you busy? What you been doing, what 35 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:28,799 you been working on? What can we find at Extra 36 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:29,719 Points right now? 37 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: It has been a very very busy week, so I 38 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,359 can tell you there's a couple of things that were 39 00:01:35,359 --> 00:01:37,840 working on. I got a story we're going to publish 40 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,239 tomorrow morning for free that I think will be pretty interesting. 41 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,359 Speaker 4: It's a story. 42 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:46,719 Speaker 3: Written by the GM of Howard Basketball and explained how 43 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,599 they were able to shift their approach from being something 44 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,280 that was more of a developmental program where they were 45 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,280 trying to recruit people to stick around for three or 46 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:54,879 four years. 47 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: Now they've realized, look. 48 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,719 Speaker 3: That doesn't happen anywhere in men's college basketball. Now we're 49 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,079 going to have some guys that are only going to 50 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,319 be here for four months. How do we compete in 51 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:06,359 that world where we don't have any money, which I 52 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:08,039 think I think will be interesting. And we've got a 53 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,919 story coming up in a couple of days about Oberlin football, 54 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:15,680 which you folks, if you're a real super nerd like me, 55 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:19,360 you might remember as the worst team in the country 56 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:22,000 this season. I spent some time with a couple of 57 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:26,159 their players, a couple of their coaches to better understand 58 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:29,919 why they're doing this, because they don't like they they 59 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,919 Oberlin's the school where everybody's a really good student. This 60 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:34,439 is not the kind of place where you're gonna lay 61 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:35,159 out of glory. 62 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:38,439 Speaker 4: I wanted to better understand, you know, what. 63 00:02:38,319 --> 00:02:41,759 Speaker 3: Progress looks like or why you dedicate yourself when you're 64 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:43,159 the worst team in the country. So you'll have to 65 00:02:43,159 --> 00:02:44,800 think there will be some fun things to read here 66 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,439 at EP. The next couple of days besides just transfer portal. 67 00:02:48,159 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: Badness, the true love of the game. It still exists. 68 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,319 It's not all corrupted, Matt. 69 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,199 Speaker 3: Now, I mean there, I will tell you, over the 70 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,520 last seventy two hours, it has it has been good 71 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:03,680 for my brain. So, like, you know what, let's spend 72 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:04,439 a little bit of time with. 73 00:03:04,479 --> 00:03:05,439 Speaker 1: Division III football. 74 00:03:05,439 --> 00:03:07,319 Speaker 3: I mean, like, we have to talk about what's going 75 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,680 on to Washington, we have to talk about what's going 76 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,479 on in the courthouse. 77 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,159 Speaker 4: But even for. 78 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 3: Someone who's dedicated his career to writing about legal and 79 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,800 policy and business issues in college sports, I gotta tell you, 80 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,360 I'm not a fan of all this of this much lawyering. 81 00:03:22,479 --> 00:03:25,400 And I don't I don't blame any fan either who's 82 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,639 not as excited I think to be engaged in college 83 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:29,479 football at the moment. 84 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the metrics are good for TV viewership, and the 85 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,759 metrics are good for the paydays that these players are getting. 86 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,360 But you know, there's a lot of people that are 87 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:43,840 are feeling like, man, this is this is chaos, Man, 88 00:03:43,879 --> 00:03:46,599 this is crazy, Like this is ruined, this is bad, 89 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:50,039 this is ugly, And you delve into one of the 90 00:03:50,039 --> 00:03:52,000 things that needs to happen in order for it all 91 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:56,879 to change, and that's the collective bargaining Agreement. Now, you 92 00:03:56,919 --> 00:03:59,240 did write a piece what I like in dislike about 93 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,080 the first draft of the College Football CBA. First of all, 94 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,400 why do we need this collective bargaining room in order 95 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,960 to fix college sports? And then let's delve into what 96 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,400 you like and dislike about the CBA. 97 00:04:10,159 --> 00:04:11,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean what I would say is you 98 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,720 don't necessarily need a CBA to have more order in 99 00:04:16,759 --> 00:04:20,879 college sports. There's functionally, right now ways two ways to 100 00:04:20,879 --> 00:04:23,160 do it. And when I say order, I'm talking about 101 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,439 having mutually agreed upon rules that can actually be enforced, 102 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,000 about when people can leave schools, about whether their contracts 103 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:32,879 are actually enforceable like we. 104 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,759 Speaker 4: Have in professional sports. 105 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 3: One of those ways is what the powerful conferences in 106 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,160 the NCAA have been pushing for for the last four years, 107 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,720 which is a federal bill that would give them antitrust 108 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,439 exemption and allow them to unilaterally enforce their existing rules. 109 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: That may happen someday. 110 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 3: There were some times in twenty twenty five and I 111 00:04:52,879 --> 00:04:55,519 thought it looked very close to happening, But it hasn't, 112 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,120 and it's probably unlikely to happen in the next six 113 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,800 to nine months because Congress isn't really a thing anymore, 114 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,560 and the bipartisan lawmaking is basically done for the year, 115 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:09,959 heading into the next exploration cycles. 116 00:05:10,199 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: The other way you can do it is with the. 117 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: Collective bargaining agreement, which is what all of the major 118 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,480 professional sports leagues do, where labor and management sit together 119 00:05:19,639 --> 00:05:22,839 and negotiate a lot of these rules. We don't have 120 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,920 that in college football or college basketball right now because 121 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:29,000 the athletes are not employees. They are not legally allowed 122 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,399 to have the union. They have not really meaningfully organized 123 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:36,360 into a union, and federal law doesn't really allow them 124 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,959 to create that. CBA Athletes dot Org is an athlete 125 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,959 organizing force that's probably the closest thing to a body 126 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,560 that represents athletes right now. 127 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 4: They don't represent nearly. 128 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,759 Speaker 1: Enough to hold that designation, you know, legally. 129 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 3: But they represent more than any other organization. And they 130 00:05:53,959 --> 00:05:55,639 put together a rough draft of like. 131 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 4: This is what a CBA could look like. Let's get 132 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,959 some stuff on paper, let's talk about it. 133 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,399 Speaker 2: Okay, so they they're they're they're moving in that direction, 134 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,560 but there's I mean, how far away are we from 135 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,959 a CBA? How far or how far away are we 136 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,000 from maybe federal legislation ever being effectuated. Do you think. 137 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,399 Speaker 3: I don't think either of these things are very close 138 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,000 right now. And and this is the dirty little secret 139 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:25,319 that I think a lot of CDA advocates, especially on 140 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,360 social media, don't really want to engage with, which is 141 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,759 that even a CBA probably requires some kind of federal 142 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,519 law change too. If you want to be able to 143 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,839 have a collective bargaining organization that represents non. 144 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: Employees, you need you need to change in the law. 145 00:06:42,959 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 3: If you want college athletes to be or at least 146 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,800 some of them to be designated as employees and then 147 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,600 can enter into these kind of cbas, you need some 148 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,800 changes in the law. And that isn't really happening right now. 149 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:56,639 Speaker 1: And it's difficult. 150 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,079 Speaker 3: I mean, I'll try not to be too cynical about it, 151 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:01,279 but it is difficult for me to see. 152 00:07:01,079 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 1: A world in the next year or any. 153 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:07,959 Speaker 3: Kind of federal college sports legislation passes, whether it's bipartisan 154 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,560 or unilaterally and uniformly only supported by Republicans, nobody has 155 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,800 a large enough governing coalition, and quite frankly, this isn't 156 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,240 an issue that is a high priority for most lawmakers, 157 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,639 and we you, and I think we would probably agree, 158 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:26,959 and maybe many of the listeners here do too, that 159 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:30,680 that's probably for the best if it's giving everything else 160 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,199 happening in the world right now, as frustrating as the 161 00:07:33,279 --> 00:07:35,720 chaos and college sports might be, I think I would 162 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,800 probably want to have my lawmakers focused on foreign policy 163 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,879 or or affordability instead of the transfer portal. 164 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, why don't these universities just employ all the 165 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,879 student athletes. Why can't they just w two them and 166 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:53,360 just figure it out from there. 167 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:58,639 Speaker 3: Well, they could, but nobody wants to do that, or 168 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,519 almost nobody wants some of There's a few reasons, right Like, 169 00:08:01,639 --> 00:08:04,560 let's say, in the in the great state of Utah, 170 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,720 or in many states in the Southeast, for example, they said, 171 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:09,000 screw it, we're going to. 172 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 4: W too our football. 173 00:08:10,839 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: Basketball, and baseball players. 174 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,879 Speaker 3: Well, one, now you have to pay workers compensation, you 175 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,920 have to pay payroll taxes, you have to pay in 176 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,680 the Social Security and your expenses are now significantly higher, 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,959 and those obligations are higher than they were when everybody was. 178 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:26,079 Speaker 4: An independent contractor. 179 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: But then you also can't meaningfully negotiate with those guys 180 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:32,840 because if they're employees of the school, that makes them public, 181 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,679 you know, state state employees, and state law in many 182 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:41,720 places forbids those people from engaging in collective bargaining. The 183 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,600 parts of this country that tend to have be a 184 00:08:43,639 --> 00:08:46,919 little bit more friendly to organize labor in the Midwest. 185 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,519 Speaker 1: And Northeast permit those things. 186 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:52,639 Speaker 3: In the Southeast and in you know my understanding, in 187 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,840 Utah as well, and many other places, it's not permitted. 188 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,480 You get around that in professional sports by making by 189 00:09:00,519 --> 00:09:03,639 having the CBA negotiations be with the league rather than 190 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:06,600 with the individual teams. I think that would make a 191 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,159 lot of things much easier if the Ohio states, in 192 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,679 Indiana's in Texas of the world just said screw it, 193 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,799 we're gonna do it ourselves. But no university president wants 194 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,000 to do that unless. 195 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:17,799 Speaker 4: Uncle Sam literally makes them. 196 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can't just w two these employees. Why 197 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:26,039 do you need a collective barteying agreement just just a 198 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,240 W two student athlete to make them employees. 199 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: Well, you could w two student athletes right BYU could 200 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:38,639 could theoretically decide you guys are all employees, and let's 201 00:09:38,639 --> 00:09:40,720 say have enough other schools decided to do that, the 202 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,279 NCAA wouldn't kick them out. 203 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: But there's a difference between being. 204 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: An employee and then being able to have collective bargaining, 205 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,440 and you wanted, ideally, you'd want the same kind of 206 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:54,440 collective bargaining rules from state to state. I think what 207 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,600 what would really frustrate college sports is if, Okay, your 208 00:09:57,639 --> 00:10:01,799 employees and the working conditions and the rules are going 209 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,399 to be different for Utah than they are for Idaho 210 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,039 than they are for Colorado, and you're all in the 211 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:09,799 same league and you're competing for the same thing. Like 212 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,840 that can kind of work in some nonsports industries where 213 00:10:12,879 --> 00:10:15,840 you're not competing in exactly the same way, But that 214 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,519 would make coaches and administrators freak out. They're already really 215 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,960 upset that state ANDIL rules are different from state to state, 216 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,320 although you know, functionally if that doesn't matter because nobody 217 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,120 enforces those. 218 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: If you want uniform rules like. 219 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 4: We have in the NFL or the NBA or. 220 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 3: Minor league baseball for that matter, you can't do it 221 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,919 with a bunch of state individual employment agreements. 222 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: Crazy times, no doubt about it, and very intrigued by 223 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,840 the CBA. And if that could actually ever come about, 224 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,600 if that could act, if that's going to be the 225 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,440 way or or which way do you lean more? Do 226 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,120 you think it'll it'll end up being the kind of 227 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,759 a CBA type of deal, or do you think it's 228 00:10:53,759 --> 00:10:57,080 just going to be like federal legislation's going to step in. 229 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,720 Is one maybe more likely than the other? 230 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: You know this this is this isn't great sports radio 231 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,399 that I don't feel that either of these. 232 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,279 Speaker 1: Two things is inevitable. What is more likely, I. 233 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 4: Think depends on who controls the federal government. 234 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: Right if if. 235 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: Republicans somehow expand their House majority in their Senate majority 236 00:11:17,039 --> 00:11:19,840 in the next midterms, it will be much easier to 237 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:25,240 pass a more restrictive federal law that doesn't empower unions 238 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,120 or organized labor, and it would be something closer to 239 00:11:28,159 --> 00:11:30,840 what we had in the eighties and nineties. If there's 240 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:32,919 we get to a point where there's more unified government, 241 00:11:32,919 --> 00:11:36,679 where there's more split government, or a Democrat becomes president, 242 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:39,960 or somebody that is not openly hostile to organize labor 243 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,080 at any capacity than a CBA, I think could look 244 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,480 more likely. That there are federal judges and Democratic lawmakers 245 00:11:46,519 --> 00:11:50,519 who have specifically proposed that as a solution. 246 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:52,919 Speaker 1: Right now, there's not really a. 247 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 4: Mechanism for that to happen. 248 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,799 Speaker 3: I mean, we might not even have a National Labor 249 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,159 Relations Board in two years. 250 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:00,519 Speaker 4: Like this, This is not really the I'm to be. 251 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: Engaged into many organizing campaigns. 252 00:12:03,399 --> 00:12:05,519 Speaker 3: It really kind of depends on who's in charge, which 253 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,519 is which you kind of bring this full circle. 254 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 4: Is what I know is so frustrating is you're. 255 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 3: An ad or a coach because everyone kind of recognizes 256 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,960 even as TV ratings are strong and ticket sales are 257 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:17,679 often strong. 258 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:19,879 Speaker 1: Hey, this current system where. 259 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 3: I could sign a GUYE to a contract and he 260 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,840 could slip to a different school in eight hours. It's 261 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:27,759 not a good system. 262 00:12:27,799 --> 00:12:30,159 Speaker 4: It's not a sensible system. It's not an efficient system. 263 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: But the college athletic leaders don't functionally. 264 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,639 Speaker 1: Have control of it anymore. 265 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 4: They're not the ones that get to pick the rules. 266 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:43,279 Speaker 2: Crazy man, it's it sounds like the colleg football landscape's 267 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,759 gonna stay what it is right now. It seems like, 268 00:12:45,879 --> 00:12:51,399 you know, between REV share collectives with with a certain 269 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,440 I kind of separate like traditional nil as well, Like 270 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:56,639 I think there's like three funnels. I look at the 271 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,639 REV share that's coming from the school. I look at 272 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,039 the collectives, right which is a bunch of corporations like 273 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,679 giving a W nine salary with or without deliverables, you 274 00:13:07,759 --> 00:13:10,399 know what I mean. And then you have kind of 275 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,440 true nil where these ICs are going off and like 276 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,600 finding work wherever they can and aligning with brands product 277 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:22,120 services around the country or locally. Those are their three 278 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,960 funnels of cash, and the players are I mean, they're 279 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,080 making a lot of money right now. I don't know 280 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,480 how much demand's going to make. They're the University of 281 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,440 Washington transfer. But things are pretty crazy right now as 282 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,000 it pertains to you know, the ic work of a 283 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,600 student athlete. 284 00:13:38,799 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: No, I mean, on one hand, for as frustrating as 285 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,720 the instability might be to a coach and sometimes to 286 00:13:46,799 --> 00:13:49,399 people like us that need to figure out who's actually 287 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:50,919 going to be on a roster so we could talk 288 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,600 about a game or anything, or who has to sell 289 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:55,879 a jersey. There's never been a better time to be 290 00:13:55,919 --> 00:13:59,919 a top three hundred football player or a high force 291 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,399 are you know, experienced college basketball player, even in this 292 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,879 cycle with the hypothetical salary cap that's not a real 293 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:08,919 salary cap because. 294 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 4: Nobody's enforcing it. Yeah, there's going to be a lot of. 295 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: Powerfour starters, not just quarterbacks, but power four. 296 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: Starters who will make over a million bucks. 297 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: And if you are a. 298 00:14:19,159 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: Really good transfer quarterback or a really good transfer edge rusher, 299 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:25,960 you can make five maybe six million dollars, which is. 300 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:26,919 Speaker 1: A ton of money. 301 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 4: That is more of an you might make in the 302 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,279 NFL for for some of these guys. 303 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 3: If you are not one of those people, I think 304 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:37,879 you could argue in many ways, your college experience has 305 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:41,519 become worse, especial because it's never been easier for you 306 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,039 to get processed and and you know, sent to Utah 307 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,639 Tech or something because of something one agent did, or 308 00:14:48,639 --> 00:14:52,000 the roster mant doesn't work out anywhere else. Maybe that 309 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:54,600 mirrors other American businesses in some ways. 310 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of people are. 311 00:14:57,639 --> 00:14:59,799 Speaker 3: Going to make a lot of money and a lot 312 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:01,720 of rosters are going to look very different. 313 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: Sometimes that's good. Sometimes I can see why it would 314 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:05,080 be less good. 315 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:10,159 Speaker 2: Matt Brown, Ladies and gentlemen, Extra Points MB best way 316 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,279 to support you. What you do, how you do it, Matt. 317 00:15:12,279 --> 00:15:14,240 For all of our listeners, you. 318 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 3: Bet you can find all of our work at extra 319 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:20,440 points MB dot com. 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