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<v Speaker 1>On a Monday afternoon, the legend himself, Scott Mitchell. Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>happy Monday, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? Thank you? I'm good. There might be

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<v Speaker 2>some folks up on the hill that aren't good right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know life, I can't complain. I'm good. There

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<v Speaker 2>you go. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>And look, last week I was the guy that was

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<v Speaker 1>holding on to the final branch before we actually tumble

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<v Speaker 1>out of the tree. And now I'm face down in

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<v Speaker 1>the mud, Scott. Now I'm face down in the mud.

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing like I get a lot of things wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you've done this job for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>You get some things right, you get some things wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got plenty wrong. I don't know, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>speaking for me personally that I've ever been so wrong

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<v Speaker 1>about something as wrong as I've been about this Utah

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<v Speaker 1>football team all year.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm out of answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Just from a macro standpoint, Where'scott Mitchell on this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? Oh, I feel your pain and I feel your

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<v Speaker 2>like bewilderment, because really you think about the first part

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<v Speaker 2>of the season, you play SUU and it looks really

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<v Speaker 2>good and Cam rising Okay, he's back from his injury

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<v Speaker 2>and Baylor starts out amazing and then he just runs

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<v Speaker 2>into the whatever he ran into and it just and

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<v Speaker 2>there goes the season. And I know it's not just

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<v Speaker 2>on one player, but Cam Rising when he was here

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<v Speaker 2>and he was healthy, he was one player that really

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<v Speaker 2>changed the whole trajectory of this program. I mean, playing

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego State and he comes in in the second

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<v Speaker 2>half of that game four or five years or seven,

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<v Speaker 2>eight nine, I don't know how many years he's been

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<v Speaker 2>at Utah, and he was electric, and he was different,

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<v Speaker 2>and he brought an attitude and he brought a belief

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<v Speaker 2>that there just wasn't there, and he did some incredible things.

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<v Speaker 2>And to me, it's so much about you look at

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<v Speaker 2>college football and your fortunes really do in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of way center around a really really good quarterback. And

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<v Speaker 2>all the good teams in the country have them, and

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<v Speaker 2>they all either a lot of them aren't homegrown, hired

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<v Speaker 2>these guns, and and a lot of them have worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's some that haven't, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>these quarterbacks in the transfer portal and have have have

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<v Speaker 2>panned out. And that that's really the biggest kind of uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because the defense has played well enough to

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<v Speaker 2>win every single game that we've lost, I mean really have,

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<v Speaker 2>and and the offense just has been a kneemic. And

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<v Speaker 2>the way I look at it is there's something really

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<v Speaker 2>weird going on on the offensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's and it's you know, and it's probably they

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<v Speaker 2>look they got a true freshman who's been playing and

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<v Speaker 2>he's just okay, and he's and he's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he hasn't improved as the year has gone on, and

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<v Speaker 2>and you're seeing the same performance every single week when

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<v Speaker 2>he when he's out there, it's just very very pedestrian,

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<v Speaker 2>and and it's there's just not a lot there. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not saying he can't get there down the road,

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<v Speaker 2>but right now he's just not ready to play. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you're just it, you've just been in a tough

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<v Speaker 2>situation with the quarterback there. But the other thing you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing is you're seeing all sides penalties, You're seeing you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing guys drop balls, You're seeing guys not come back

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<v Speaker 2>to the football. You're seeing very inaccurate throws. You're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fundamental things that if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be consistent offensively, you just can't have guys shooting you

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<v Speaker 2>in the foot right and left, and that's what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not just a quarterback play. It's across the board.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone play, and it's a mindset. It's a mindset of

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<v Speaker 2>being focused and being taking care of those little details,

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<v Speaker 2>because those little details that's really what the difference is

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<v Speaker 2>between winning and losing, and between having a consistent performance

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<v Speaker 2>offensively and not. You know, you can't just go through

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<v Speaker 2>the motions and practice and just run the place. You

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<v Speaker 2>have to run the plays to a level of excellence.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't, when you get in a game,

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<v Speaker 2>it just doesn't show up. So you just see these things,

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<v Speaker 2>these fundamental things across the board not happening, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why this team's been really poor and inconsistent offensive. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the good news to that spense is it's all fixable.

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<v Speaker 2>Like to you have to change your focus, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to change your practice habits, you have to you have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a commitment to being excellent when you're out

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<v Speaker 2>on the field, and you can do that and whether

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<v Speaker 2>you are perfect about it not relevant. It's it's the

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<v Speaker 2>approach and the attitude that's the important thing. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just not seeing that with and it's really the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>side of the ball from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And we'll get over the defense in a moment,

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<v Speaker 1>because to your point, there are a lot of metrics

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<v Speaker 1>that indicate this is still a top shelf defense, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're not getting to the quarterback and they're not turning

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<v Speaker 1>the other team over. I mean, they're doing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things well, they're just not doing the things that

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<v Speaker 1>we're used to seeing them do well when they're head

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<v Speaker 1>coaches coach with. But we'll get to that in the

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<v Speaker 1>moment because I do want to stay on the offensive

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<v Speaker 1>side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>We talked last week and this is not a knock.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wonder aloud what Mike Pajakian can find in

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<v Speaker 1>an Andy Ludwig offense and Andy Ludwig himself couldn't find. So,

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<v Speaker 1>now that we have one game, which is a really

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<v Speaker 1>small sample size, did anything different or unique stand out

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<v Speaker 1>to you based off of the different play caller?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this isn't going to be a popular statement, Spence,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is what I saw, and that is shoot,

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Rose actually looked pretty decent at quarterback. That was

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<v Speaker 2>the most positive thing that I saw out of that game.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the decision on where to throw the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw the ball accurately. The interception wasn't some just

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<v Speaker 2>what is hair brain? What are you thinking kind of throw.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying to make a play third down. The receiver

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<v Speaker 2>needs to come back to him in that situation. And

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really any and he had guys drop the

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<v Speaker 2>ball on him. And that he threw very accurately. He

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<v Speaker 2>seemed really poised. He ran, he with decisiveness. He he

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<v Speaker 2>played with decisiveness, and and he you know, he's barely

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<v Speaker 2>got to play. The guy with the most experienced understanding

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<v Speaker 2>this offense. He's had the most reps at it, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's been in practice or where and it's not been

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<v Speaker 2>in a game. But but he's probably the most prepared

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<v Speaker 2>and ready to play from an experienced maturity understanding. And

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, if it's me, and I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was the right thing to do because that offense was

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<v Speaker 2>going nowhere. Uh, it just wasn't. It wasn't going anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>with with with Isaac. And I'm not I'm not. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, Isaac's you know, a bust or anything

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<v Speaker 2>like that. As young He's just a young kid that

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<v Speaker 2>just needs to grow and mature and and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>not ready to play yet, just not. And so if

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<v Speaker 2>there was anything positive out of that, maybe more of

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon Rose executing this offense might might work well for

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<v Speaker 2>this team.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess I'll follow up and just ask you

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<v Speaker 1>if you because here we go again, Scott like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do the song and dance thing for the next

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<v Speaker 1>twelve days before BYU about who's it going to be

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac or Brandon like we're and you know, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be Choy messaging. We won't find out. Probably my guess

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<v Speaker 1>is up up until kick. But I guess I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>follow up and ask you, do you believe that for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the year, starting with Brighamy Young in

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<v Speaker 1>twelve days under center should be Brandon Rose.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're gonna make a change, it's a great time

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<v Speaker 2>to do it because he's gonna get all the practice reps.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna get two weeks of practice reps, and he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna you know, he's gonna get a little bit of timing.

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<v Speaker 2>He threw the ball very well with a limited time

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<v Speaker 2>he had in the game. He actually threw the ball

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<v Speaker 2>very well. So if you're gonna do it. It's certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>it's certainly the right time to do it. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>that change, you know, can be a spark. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean everyone was like Charlie Brewer, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>few years ago, and and he beat out Cam Rising

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<v Speaker 2>like like he would the coaches. Everyone shows Charlie Brewer

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<v Speaker 2>to be the starter. And Charlie was running this offense

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of these quarterbacks you've seen the last

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years run it. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Rising comes in and it's a whole different offense.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's the situation where we're in here because

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<v Speaker 2>no one knows. No one knows what Rose can do

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<v Speaker 2>at this time, I mean, because he's never played, and

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<v Speaker 2>no one knew what Cam Rising could have done. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw a guy who wanted to play football

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<v Speaker 2>when Brandon Rose got out there and played. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to you gotta talk Isaac Wilson off the ledge,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because he's young, and you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to mess him up, but it might

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<v Speaker 2>be a good time for him to just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>take a seatback. I know a lot of people are like, now,

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<v Speaker 2>throw him in there, give him all of this experience,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I'm just not seeing a lot of improvement

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<v Speaker 2>right now from Isaac Wilson. Like I'm and I'm a

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<v Speaker 2>big fan of game reps and all that stuff, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing more regression with Isaac than i am improvement.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I guess we'll see. I mean, look, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying you're wrong. I'm kind of surprised, Scott because

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<v Speaker 1>from my vantage point, I just figured at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, if we're honest, what really is on

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<v Speaker 1>the table, and if the only thing that you're playing

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<v Speaker 1>for is to play spoiler, that's a bad indicator of

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<v Speaker 1>where you're at as a program. So if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>look a couple more wins should get to a throwaway bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously you'd like the bowl experience for the seniors upperclassmen.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to see anybody go out on a downturn.

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<v Speaker 1>And certainly, if this is Kyle's last year, which a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people believe that it is, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>insight into that. You do want to go out with

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more of a bang than you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>right now. But if there really isn't much on the

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<v Speaker 1>table as far as what we thought could be on

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<v Speaker 1>the table to start the year, I just thought you

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<v Speaker 1>might as well let Isaac go through the growing pains,

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<v Speaker 1>right and just give them some reps.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I've been a believer of that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am a believer in that, but I'm also in a

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<v Speaker 2>believer of you know, there's sometimes guys just aren't ready

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<v Speaker 2>to play. Yeah, And and what I've seen is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if my freshman year at Utah had I played, I

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<v Speaker 2>probably would have been okay. But having you know, a maturity,

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<v Speaker 2>just being in the program, having some confidence in myself

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<v Speaker 2>and my ability, I was far far suited to start

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<v Speaker 2>playing the second year and then you know, and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's a it's a tall order for a true

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<v Speaker 2>freshman to step in there and really really, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do well. And what you don't want to do is

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want to put all these ghosts in a

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<v Speaker 2>kid's closet that come out later on in his career.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if all he's learning when he goes out

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<v Speaker 2>on the field is is like these bad images, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know that you don't want to you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to put that in a guy's mind either. And and

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<v Speaker 2>there there really is a time when some kids they're

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<v Speaker 2>just they're just not quite ready for it. They just aren't.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and it's okay. It doesn't mean it's the

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<v Speaker 2>end of him. It doesn't mean anything. It just means

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<v Speaker 2>that in this moment right now, it's probably best for

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<v Speaker 2>you to just take a step back, if I expense,

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<v Speaker 2>if I saw him like, okay, you know, there's improvement.

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<v Speaker 2>And but I've kind of seen the same performance the

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<v Speaker 2>last four week, you know, pretty much since he's been

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<v Speaker 2>in there. I'm seeing it. I'm seeing a step forward

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<v Speaker 2>with Isaac.

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<v Speaker 3>Wilson, Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying you're wrong, I you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of trying to dig down a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of different levels to understand what's going on. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I could run through all the metrics. They're fifteenth in total, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they're eleventh and rushing, they're tenth and passing their fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>in efficiency, Like, by any measurable metric, this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the bottom three or four offenses in all of

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<v Speaker 1>the Big twelve. But let me go back to asking

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<v Speaker 1>you once again about the play calling away from either

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon or Isaac. Did you see anything from Mike in

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<v Speaker 1>his first game. Simply from calling plays that you it

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<v Speaker 1>gives you some hope that this might look different starting

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<v Speaker 2>I mean honestly, no, I mean it's the same offense.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't I didn't see anything. I go, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's kind of creative. That's that's a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>They Utah was, you know, clearly I thought, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to establish the run pretty patiently. Uh And but

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't any They weren't really running the ball right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also running against a front designed to stop the run.

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<v Speaker 2>And and and they've I've been seeing these same looks

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<v Speaker 2>from all the teams. They're they're just challenging Utah to

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<v Speaker 2>to throw the football and just say your quarterback's got

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<v Speaker 2>to beat us, and and and they haven't been able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. And uh so you're when you are

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<v Speaker 2>running it, you're you're running with kind of your hand

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<v Speaker 2>tied behind your back a little bit. And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's tough sledding and and uh but you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's the game plan. They said, Look, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna run the ball. We're just going to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to, you know, work off of that. And and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it worked very well for for Isaac

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<v Speaker 2>in the game. Uh moving forward, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if they change that they do more. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the offense, there wasn't anything to me that I go, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that gives me a lot of excitement and hope

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<v Speaker 2>you Spence, you're talking to a guy that's been in

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<v Speaker 2>some of the greatest offenses in like the history of

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL. I'm not joking like I mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>the offense I had it so for me to watch

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<v Speaker 2>all of this from just the ground level forever, you know, really, look,

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Whittingham's a defensive minded coach. It's not about playing

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<v Speaker 2>great offense. It never is. And and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see where Mike but Jakin's going to come

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<v Speaker 2>in and all of a sudden they're going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a great offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, look, I want honesty and truthful you know,

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<v Speaker 1>interactions on this show. So I appreciate you kind of

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<v Speaker 1>giving us the medicine because I certainly respect your eye

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that others probably can't see it because

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<v Speaker 1>you've played it at the highest of levels.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder what your thoughts are, Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, after the game, Mackai Bernard essentially said, I

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<v Speaker 1>know what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just not going to say it out loud now.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to guess, it's simply the play of

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterback position. And you know, maybe Mackay doesn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw anybody under the bus. But that that led

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of speculation about what exactly is going

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<v Speaker 1>on behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure that plays into it. I'm sure that there

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<v Speaker 2>may be you know, there's this there's a chemistry thing

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<v Speaker 2>with teams, and it's and it's not the culture of

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<v Speaker 2>the program. It's the chemistry of the players and how

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<v Speaker 2>they interact with each other because you look at the

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<v Speaker 2>body language and that that's what really what I was

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<v Speaker 2>alluding to earlier. When you see guys not focused in games,

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<v Speaker 2>some something else is going on in their minds. They're

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're upset by maybe I didn't get the same

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<v Speaker 2>kind of money this guy did or whatever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's that's kind of creeping into college football and

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<v Speaker 2>these players, and and when you start getting those thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>or those your focus goes outside of Hey, your job

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<v Speaker 2>every week is to get yourself ready to play, and

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get yourself ready to play when you're wondering,

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<v Speaker 2>is the quarterback going to throw me to football? Is

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<v Speaker 2>the coach going to call a play for me? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I you know I'm you know I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not involved in the offense. What are you? Excuse me?

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<v Speaker 2>You you have this distraction and you have things that

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<v Speaker 2>and it impacts the way you play. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing. I'm seeing guys not doing those fundamental things

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<v Speaker 2>and they should be and I know they're coach to

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<v Speaker 2>do it, but they're not doing it. And that's not

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<v Speaker 2>just the quarterbacks. And so these guys are distracted in

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<v Speaker 2>some way. They're not putting in the focus, they're not

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<v Speaker 2>putting in the time to mentally and physically prepare themselves

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<v Speaker 2>to play. Why why they're doing it? If they're upset

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<v Speaker 2>that the quarterback's not playing very well and and you go, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got no shot to win the game anyways, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's uh uh, it's it is impacting their play.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just it just is so there, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something some dynamics, some chemistry going on on that

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<v Speaker 2>team that's not conducive to production and winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and and to your point, and just in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be fair, uh, let's move off the quarterback position

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<v Speaker 1>because we'll see what happens against Uyu, whether.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Isaac or Brandon.

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<v Speaker 1>But the truth is, uh, there are not a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of things that are working right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, kicker miss a couple of field goals, Brandon's

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<v Speaker 1>interceptions set up a game winning field goal, and the

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<v Speaker 1>defense got Uh. There are a lot of metrics that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, indicate that the defense is very good.

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<v Speaker 1>They're second scoring d they're number one in total D

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<v Speaker 1>they're number three and rushing, they're number three in passing,

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<v Speaker 1>their number three in efficiency, but they are not getting

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<v Speaker 1>to the quarterback.

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<v Speaker 3>They have not had a sack in three games.

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<v Speaker 1>They're eleventh in the conference in sacks, they're last in

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<v Speaker 1>the conference in fumbles forced, their second to last in

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<v Speaker 1>the conference, and fumble's recovered their ninth in interceptions. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there are metrics to indicate that the defense still clearly

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<v Speaker 1>is the strength of the team. That's not a hot take,

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<v Speaker 1>But what do you make of what I just perceived

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<v Speaker 1>to be when a team is coached by Kyle Whittingham,

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<v Speaker 1>they get to the quarterback, they force turnovers, they play.

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<v Speaker 3>That complimentary football.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you most attribute to the lack of pressure

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<v Speaker 1>that Utah is being able to drum up on the

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<v Speaker 1>opposing team's quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw it back on the offense, I am,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you why the offense has not performed well.

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<v Speaker 2>Hasn't driven the ball down the field, hasn't given the

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<v Speaker 2>defense time to rest in games. So as games progress

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<v Speaker 2>and go on, as defense gets tired, and they've been

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<v Speaker 2>down a couple of Conroe tool being out has has

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<v Speaker 2>hurt them a lot. And and he kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gave him a good spark this last week when he

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<v Speaker 2>was in the game and he wasn't in there. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they're slowly kind of bringing him back to

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<v Speaker 2>the game. But Houston barely threw the football. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the teams, I mean TCU, which throws the heck

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<v Speaker 2>out of the football, didn't and they got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the ball really quick. They a lot of teams aren't

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<v Speaker 2>really giving Utah a chance and they don't have to.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you you saw a lot of patients with

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<v Speaker 2>the running game out of TCU a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>ago as a team that all they want to do

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<v Speaker 2>is throw it right like like they they you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they realize that the Utah offense is not very good

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<v Speaker 2>and that and that's the other thing. When you're not scoring,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're not you know, you're not getting any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of lead, and you're always playing from behind, then there's

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<v Speaker 2>no pressure on the other offense. They don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>open it up, they don't have to throw the ball

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<v Speaker 2>as much. They don't, so there's not as many opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>for for the you know, the defense to really get sacks.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just there, just haven't been it. I mean, teams

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<v Speaker 2>have really really focused on running the football against Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's blatantly running the football. And then and

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<v Speaker 2>what happens the defense gets tired late in the game

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<v Speaker 2>because they've been out on the field all night, and

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<v Speaker 2>you get worn down and you get you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>then you start missing tackles and you start getting lazy

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<v Speaker 2>in your gap control, you know, at the line of scrimmage,

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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden, boom, they just bust

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<v Speaker 2>a big run and that and that's that's really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what's been happening, you know, with with a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of with a lot of these these defensive plays, and

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, and with with the limitations, with the the

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<v Speaker 2>excessive demands that the defense has been asked to do

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<v Speaker 2>because the offense has not been pretty. I really believe

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<v Speaker 2>outside of one thing, the defense has been playing really well.

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<v Speaker 2>And they and there's there's been a lot of mistackles.

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<v Speaker 2>And you can attribute mistackles to guys being tired. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it's like, you know, just suck it

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<v Speaker 2>up and play, And I'm sure they think that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but your body doesn't necessarily react that way. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're tired, you just and you may not even

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<v Speaker 2>realize it. But a lot of mistackles that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>normally see from the defense. That's the one thing to

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<v Speaker 2>me that's been more more of an issue than anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>So this simply leads us to what comes next, right

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<v Speaker 1>and BUYU.

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<v Speaker 3>They have stayed clean.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're undefeated, their atop the conference, there a

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<v Speaker 1>top ten team, and they've answered every question that's been

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<v Speaker 1>thrown at them. I don't think there's really anything left

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<v Speaker 1>to wonder about whether or not they're for real they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and the numbers say that, the data says that, and Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>you know this better than anybody. They're gonna be smelling

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<v Speaker 1>the blood in the water and they're gonna come up

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<v Speaker 1>here to go for the jugular.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they know where Utah's at.

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<v Speaker 1>And after a generation of having their heads kicked in

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<v Speaker 1>and being made fun of for going independent and not

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<v Speaker 1>having a conference home like, they're gonna come up here,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ready ready to roll. What what do you

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<v Speaker 1>hope to see between now and the BYU game?

419
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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

420
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<v Speaker 1>And then during the actual game to indicate to you

421
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<v Speaker 1>from your prism that maybe this thing is about to

422
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<v Speaker 1>be turned around.

423
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<v Speaker 2>Well, to start with, what really makes me nervous about

424
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<v Speaker 2>this Utah BYU game is this is a This is

425
00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:43.279
<v Speaker 2>a group of players at Utah that have grown up

426
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:47.519
<v Speaker 2>without being a part of this rivalry. They don't understand it.

427
00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.359
<v Speaker 2>They've never played in a game. They don't realize the

428
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<v Speaker 2>significance of it. They don't think they they don't, they

429
00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:57.759
<v Speaker 2>don't they think, they don't think much of it. And

430
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<v Speaker 2>now the coaches do. The coaches understand it. But one

431
00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.079
<v Speaker 2>of these players has has has felt it, has been

432
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<v Speaker 2>in it, and and even when Utah was in the

433
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Pac twelve, it still wasn't the rivalry that it was before.

434
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<v Speaker 2>And so now this is this, this is a big deal.

435
00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:17.759
<v Speaker 2>This is gonna continue to be a big deal between

436
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<v Speaker 2>these two schools. And I'm just I'm a little nervous

437
00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:24.319
<v Speaker 2>to players, Uh don't at Utah, I don't. I don't.

438
00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:27.799
<v Speaker 2>And a team that's not really been fighting that hard anyways,

439
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:29.880
<v Speaker 2>are they going to really all of a sudden step

440
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<v Speaker 2>it up and go, Okay, this a rivalry game. We

441
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<v Speaker 2>got to really get into this one on the other

442
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<v Speaker 2>side of it. So that that's a concern. I'm not

443
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<v Speaker 2>saying it's it's gonna happen or whatever, but but it

444
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<v Speaker 2>would concern me. The other thing to me is all

445
00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:49.559
<v Speaker 2>the pressures on b YU, Like you know, it's it's

446
00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:52.559
<v Speaker 2>it's that time of the year. It's that one game

447
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:55.839
<v Speaker 2>where you know, the game gets started and you and

448
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<v Speaker 2>you are a little bit maybe more jazzed up than

449
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<v Speaker 2>you normally would be because it is the rivalry. You

450
00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.200
<v Speaker 2>start pressing a little bit, you get a you get

451
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:07.319
<v Speaker 2>an interception here there or a turnover, and it just

452
00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:12.240
<v Speaker 2>starts going downhill and uh, you know, so, so I

453
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<v Speaker 2>could see where it could be one of those weeks

454
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<v Speaker 2>where because there's a lot of pressure when you're nine

455
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<v Speaker 2>to zero and and a lot of pressure to keep

456
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<v Speaker 2>doing it. And and uh, rivalry games, funny things happen,

457
00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and not necessarily the best team always wins. So so

458
00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I could see that scenario happening. And and

459
00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's a good time, uh, you know, to have

460
00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:39.000
<v Speaker 2>another bye week and to kind of maybe collect yourself

461
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:41.759
<v Speaker 2>and and and I think, you know, there's gonna be

462
00:23:41.799 --> 00:23:46.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, pretty harsh talk about I

463
00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.240
<v Speaker 2>want to you know, we're going to play the guys

464
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<v Speaker 2>that really want to play and really want to be

465
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<v Speaker 2>here and really want to be out on the field,

466
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 2>and you and show you may see some changes in

467
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<v Speaker 2>in what's happening with with Utah. And you know, if

468
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<v Speaker 2>there ever is a moment, if there ever is something

469
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to play for in your program and you're having a

470
00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.599
<v Speaker 2>struggling year, it's a rivalry game, It really is. It

471
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<v Speaker 2>can you know, it's not going to take the sting

472
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.599
<v Speaker 2>of the huge disappointment this season is, but it it

473
00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:18.640
<v Speaker 2>can take some of it away from what, you know,

474
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 2>what's what's been a really abysmal year.

475
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<v Speaker 1>So how much of this Scott is fixable and coachable,

476
00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:27.960
<v Speaker 1>how much of it is on the coaches, how much

477
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.039
<v Speaker 1>of it's on the players?

478
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<v Speaker 3>And then then.

479
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<v Speaker 1>Simply put, as a guy that played it at the

480
00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:37.319
<v Speaker 1>highest level, how do you turn a train it feels

481
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:40.039
<v Speaker 1>like it's so far off the track around in just

482
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:40.799
<v Speaker 1>twelve days?

483
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<v Speaker 3>Like dissect that for me.

484
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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of those things that I told you

485
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:50.039
<v Speaker 2>about coming back to the football and focusing and not

486
00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:54.440
<v Speaker 2>going off sides and better ball location and throws, all

487
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:57.119
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff is fixable and and it's it's all

488
00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:01.599
<v Speaker 2>of these fundamental things. And you know, coach made us

489
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:04.680
<v Speaker 2>tackle form tackle every every day. First thing we did

490
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<v Speaker 2>in practice of the quarterback, you're not tackling Dan Marino.

491
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:09.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get to tackle him. He said, don't care,

492
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:11.799
<v Speaker 2>you're not tackling me. I'll tackle you, but you're not

493
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>tackling me. And it was all about the fundamentals, and

494
00:25:15.599 --> 00:25:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the fundamentals of football were driven into us every single day.

495
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And when you get into a weird situation nineteen ninety five,

496
00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:25.319
<v Speaker 2>we started zero three and it could have fallen off

497
00:25:25.319 --> 00:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a cliff. We really just circle the wagons. And it

498
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 2>was even a bye week and we focused back on

499
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:35.240
<v Speaker 2>those fundamental things of football and really re emphasized all

500
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<v Speaker 2>of it and really looked at the personnel we had

501
00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.519
<v Speaker 2>and said, how do they best work? And let's not

502
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.680
<v Speaker 2>try to do everything. Let's just try to do the

503
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:46.880
<v Speaker 2>things that we can do well. And that's what I

504
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>see happening now. You can't fix a freshman quarterback. He's

505
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 2>still a freshman, but there's a lot of other things

506
00:25:52.599 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you can fix around it, and maybe sitting in for

507
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 2>a little while might not be a bad thing. But

508
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.839
<v Speaker 2>a hun percent of this is fixable. And really it's

509
00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.720
<v Speaker 2>all in your brain, Spence. I mean, it's just it's

510
00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.200
<v Speaker 2>a mindset. It's a mindset about how you prepare and

511
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:11.519
<v Speaker 2>that's that's the thing that has to be fixed.

512
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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll tell you what.

513
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<v Speaker 1>We'll end on this from your perspective, because for me

514
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 1>and we all just kind of react off our own

515
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 1>inner circle. And I'm sure some of this is cognitive

516
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>dissonance and echo chamber based off of who I interact with.

517
00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:29.680
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I have a lot.

518
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Of friends who are boosters and season ticket holders and

519
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>donors and obviously, as in alarm year, connected in the community.

520
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall a time where I feel like the

521
00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 1>fan base has been so down about a season, and

522
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 1>part of this probably was unrealistic expectations in retrospect.

523
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, for me, and I'm sure you did the same.

524
00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:53.240
<v Speaker 1>I always prefaced any ute projection with if Cameron's under

525
00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 1>center and healthy, and obviously that hasn't been the case.

526
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we can be so reductive.

527
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>As just to say this as a Cam thing anymore,

528
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>because certainly that's probably the biggest piece of it, but

529
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>there are other pieces as well.

530
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 3>When's the last time from.

531
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.599
<v Speaker 1>Your vantage point, it felt as dire as it seems

532
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>like it feels right now surrounding this team.

533
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:17.920
<v Speaker 2>It might be back when I was playing here, I

534
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.839
<v Speaker 2>mean in the eighties, you know. I mean it's it's

535
00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 2>it's there's a bad feeling and it's look, it's accentuated

536
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>because BYU's doing so well, it just makes it worse.

537
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 2>It just does you know? Can you turn around the

538
00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 2>last four games of the season? You sure hope. So.

539
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the thing that's shocking to me is I

540
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>felt like Utah was a really solid team at every position,

541
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and solid with the depth. And because depth is such

542
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.839
<v Speaker 2>an important part, because you're gonna have attrition and and

543
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>having guys come in. And you've seen some injuries, and

544
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>some guys have really stepped up at a lot of

545
00:27:57.200 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>different positions and played and and and yet that quarterback

546
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 2>position is just such a such a bugaboo. If you're

547
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>if you're going to have a great year, well you

548
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 2>got to get a guy under center who stays healthy

549
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.119
<v Speaker 2>and performs at a high level. But for me, you know,

550
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.559
<v Speaker 2>I was I was trying to be super objective and

551
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>just say, Okay, I'm gonna look at it. I'm not

552
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 2>gonna try to be the ute fan. And I just

553
00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 2>I just said, this is a deep team, this is

554
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 2>a good team. The problem is is you still have

555
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to play and and and there have been some positions,

556
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the tight end position massively underperforming, the wide receiver position

557
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>massively underperforming. McKay. Bernard's been phenomenal, but who's is there

558
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.480
<v Speaker 2>any other running back there? The offensive line is actually

559
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 2>performed fairly decent. You know, quarterback position has been you know,

560
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:50.440
<v Speaker 2>C minus ish or even lower. Uh. And so yeah,

561
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.240
<v Speaker 2>you always know the season is not going to end

562
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>the way you think it is or play out because

563
00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>guys have to perform and they have to play, and

564
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's just, you know, the worst possible things

565
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I think could happen this year have happened, and and

566
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 2>and it's it's a tough one. It's a tough one

567
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.799
<v Speaker 2>to swallow. And and you just the one thing you

568
00:29:11.839 --> 00:29:15.359
<v Speaker 2>know is you can change You can change things quickly.

569
00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>And you can because of the NIL and because of

570
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 2>the transfer portal, and so you're not you're not stuck

571
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:27.559
<v Speaker 2>in this challenge forever. You can have quick turnarounds. And

572
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and there are probably some things that are gonna have

573
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.319
<v Speaker 2>to change. There's some players that are going to need

574
00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>to get in here. If this if this is really

575
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.599
<v Speaker 2>gonna if it's really going to get back on track.

576
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I lied to you, Scott, to have one more because

577
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to get your thoughts on. I wanted to

578
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.279
<v Speaker 1>get your thoughts on just a dynamic that I was

579
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:47.480
<v Speaker 1>wondering aloud about earlier. Morgan Morgan Scaley, who is in

580
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>line to take over for Kyle, and Kyle decide that

581
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 1>he's done. And like I can continue to say, I

582
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.920
<v Speaker 1>have no insight there, but people that know in a

583
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>way that I wouldn't have wondered loud if this is

584
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 1>it for coach Wait, what do you thinks go and through?

585
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Morgan said, because there's actually a way to spin this

586
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.640
<v Speaker 1>in a positive direction. It's always tough to take over

587
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:09.240
<v Speaker 1>for a legend, ask Kalin de Boor. But if this track,

588
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.240
<v Speaker 1>if this train continues to go in the wrong direction,

589
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.759
<v Speaker 1>and Morgan is able to get it back on track

590
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.359
<v Speaker 1>next year, maybe it will inspire some confidence that UTAH

591
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:20.039
<v Speaker 1>has made the right succession planned decision. How do you

592
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 1>think Morgan's digesting all this right now?

593
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I think that whole dynamic spense is hard. When it

594
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.599
<v Speaker 2>was announced, I get why they announce it. It's force recruits,

595
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 2>It's to show continuity in the program. It's also the

596
00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:40.279
<v Speaker 2>people were courting Morgan to leave. I know specifically, USC

597
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.200
<v Speaker 2>was going to pay him a lot of money to leave.

598
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>So it was a way to kind of ensure that

599
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 2>he sticks in the program. But the thing is is

600
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 2>it can. It's a funky dynamic because as a player,

601
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.799
<v Speaker 2>you go, well, I know Coach WIT's going to leave sometime,

602
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 2>and so I think you could get to where, you know,

603
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really following Coach Whittingham anymore because he's not

604
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 2>going to be around, you know, he's really kind of

605
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:06.200
<v Speaker 2>he's kind of the guy, but he's kind of not

606
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.440
<v Speaker 2>the guy. You know. It's it's it's, uh, it can

607
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>get I think it could get kind of odd. And

608
00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean I thought of this scenario. You know, maybe

609
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe Morgan went to Kyle and said, hey, look,

610
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I want Andy as the coordinator. I mean,

611
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there's a lot of different you know,

612
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>so so let's let's get rid of him now and uh,

613
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'll move into different And I'm just speculating here.

614
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying there's just a lot of a lot

615
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 2>of scenarios that could play out. The bottom line, Coach

616
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Whittingham is a really good coach that done a phenomenal

617
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:43.079
<v Speaker 2>job at Utah. Morgan has been an outstanding coach player.

618
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, if there's anyone that's should be the coach

619
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>at Utah should be Morgan. And and when you go

620
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>into a situation, you believe you or you have all

621
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 2>the answers, and I guarantee you Morgan scally believes he

622
00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 2>has all the answers, and I guarantee you that he'll

623
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.319
<v Speaker 2>take from coach winning him what he likes. But he's

624
00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:06.319
<v Speaker 2>also going to be Morgan Scalley and who he really is,

625
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and and and and it and it's proven to be

626
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 2>a really a really good coach. And that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad thing, you know. Uh, Kyle learned from people, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he wasn't Urban Meyer, but he learned a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things from rbyn Or or Coach Mack. And

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<v Speaker 2>so I think Morgan is really feeling like, Man, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't wait to get my hands on the steering wheel here.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to be the guy because I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he's very ready for this, and I'm sure he has

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<v Speaker 2>his own ideas and his own thoughts and and but

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<v Speaker 2>I do think it would be hard right now to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, look, you kill him a program here that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting in there, you know, I mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that, you know, being being kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a sticky point between between the two of them as

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<v Speaker 2>as they're kind of waiting for Kyle to decide to end.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Scott, Well, good stuff today, man. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and we'll see if they get it turned around.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good day, okay, all right, thanks appreciate it it,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Mitchell. Yeah, it's it's not great, not great. Bob

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<v Speaker 1>not great,